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Jim -:- Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 11:15:00 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 15:43:24 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:09:47 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:10:00 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:22:46 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:39:17 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 17:31:17 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:08:24 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:22:22 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:42:41 (EDT) ___Brian -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 19:43:25 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 19:58:43 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:14:34 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:24:47 (EDT) ___tom -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 09:01:00 (EDT) ___tom -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 09:32:04 (EDT) ___cyberknowledgesession -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 01:19:54 (EDT) ___DON'T HE TRUST US? -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 23:25:41 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 12:37:49 (EDT) ___don't he -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 20:56:06 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 21:08:24 (EDT) ___op -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:24:46 (EDT) ___op -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:57:08 (EDT) ___op -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:58:14 (EDT) ___op -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:59:59 (EDT) ___Brian -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 16, 1997 at 19:53:16 (EDT) Paul -:- Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 05:24:51 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 09:53:55 (EDT) ___Douche -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 10:17:56 (EDT) ___Paul -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 10:23:47 (EDT) ___Paul -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 10:30:00 (EDT) ___Brian -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 19:38:01 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 20:44:13 (EDT) ___Bill Cooper -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:11:40 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:51:54 (EDT) ___Paul -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 04:45:21 (EDT) ___Paul -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 04:50:36 (EDT) ___Brian -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 07:54:28 (EDT) ___Michael Dresbach -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 01:24:25 (EDT) ___Brian -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 06:48:18 (EDT) ___Brian - revised -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 06:53:38 (EDT) ___Paul -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 07:30:18 (EDT) ___Michael -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 11:00:47 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 12:42:56 (EDT) ___tom -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 23:04:39 (EDT) ___DANGER -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 00:49:50 (EDT) JW -:- Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 00:15:47 (EDT) ___Bill Cooper -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 04:37:03 (EDT) ___Paul -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 05:43:31 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 13:11:26 (EDT) ___Deena and Info-Cult -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 13:32:16 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:05:19 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:19:51 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 17:10:14 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 21:05:52 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:27:25 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:04:17 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:21:05 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:27:32 (EDT) ___Paul -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 05:18:40 (EDT) ___Brian -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 08:12:40 (EDT) ___Bill Cooper -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 04:32:36 (EDT) ___Paul -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 07:42:36 (EDT) Jim -:- Miracle Technology -:- Sun, Jun 8, 1997 at 22:32:59 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Sun, Jun 8, 1997 at 22:57:09 (EDT) ___Douche -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 03:34:50 (EDT) ___Douche -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 03:41:00 (EDT) ___Scott -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 09:21:59 (EDT) ___tom -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:13:40 (EDT) ___Tom -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:19:18 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:33:31 (EDT) ___Bill Cooper -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:08:24 (EDT) |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 11:15:00 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Everyone Subject: Morning smile Message: Here's the latest from Harlan's gurunoid page. And who says Maharaji doesn't lead his faithful to deep wisdom?:
Then, there's this appeal to ignore the nattering nabobs of negativity: ' Dear All Well
this is a surprise to find a way of communicating to like
Ah yes, the old premie saw
about how Maharaji saved my life!
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 15:43:24 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: Many people have had a positive experience in their lives because of Maharaji's teachings and guidance. The message you interpret as an 'appeal to ignore' I see as an expression of gratitude. You are certainly entitled to enjoy
your 'negativity' and proclaim what is wise. I'll be a critic at the program in
Oakland July 5. Have fun,
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:09:47 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: Chris, where is the program in Oakland on July 5? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:10:00 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: But you can't change what is true Chris, funny to hear you talk about 'truth' when you're afraid
to search for it. What do you say to Paul, the ex-premie Jesus
freak? He thinks his life has been enhanced 'because of
[Jesus's] teachings and guidance.' Would you tell him he's
wrong? That used to be the party line -- that Jesus was long
gone and any realtionship with him a figment of the Christian
imagination. Is that what you'd tell him? Or, in your typical
cowardliness would you avoid the question altogether?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:22:46 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: Probably the convention center. Check the info number after June 9: 818-889-0500. A schedule for the entire year has already been published. The local events have it. The number of locations where M will visit is pretty extensive. I'll be in Oakland July 4. Want to meet? CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:39:17 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: Probably the convention center. Check the info number after June 9: 818-889-0500. A schedule for the entire year has already been published. The local events have it. The number of locations where M will visit is pretty extensive. I'll be in Oakland July 4. Want to meet? CD Sorry, Deena, Jim and I are attending an ACIN (A Course in Negativity) convention that day. We are all getting a "negativity review" to refresh our levels of negativity. So, no, I won't meet you on Independence day, (he said negatively).
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 17:31:17 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: The program will have no tickets as usual. Donations only. Most likely a box if you want to drop some coins to cover the site costs. (Like the event in L.A.) The Marriott in Oakland is relatively cheap to stay at for out of town visitors if Elan Vital is mentioned ($75). I am
sure I can find plenty to do in San Fransisco on July 4th.
One of the first people that came to a program with me in 1972 claimed to be a witch. I had met her while I was giving out leaflets in the London subway while playing my guitar for coins. Cheers,
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:08:24 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: Chris, is the program supposed to be "introductory," or is it for people who are already premies? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:22:22 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: Not introductory. It is for people who are already interested in Knowledge and people who have gone to a Knowledge session. I'll be at the Marriott. CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:42:41 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: JW, Do us all a favour and go to the program and have coffee with Chris. Or, if you prefer, go hear Chris speak and have a drink with Maharaji. Either way, I'm sure we'd all love your report. Even Chris.
Especially Chris. Wonder what he'd say? Probably that he's
happy, to each his own, takes one to know one and, if he loosens
up, a stitch in time saves nine. Then again, it's not really the
words, is it? It's never the words. It's the fabric.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 19:43:25 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: I'll be a critic at the program in Oakland July 5. I'm sure Maharaji will be staying up late
trying to come up with some great Truth to overcome your innate
skepticism. I can see him now... Eat a cookie, read the fortune,
eat a cookie, read the fortune...
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 19:58:43 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: Chris, on a personal note, I DON'T think your skepticism is inane. Do you? What do you think, Chris? Why did you say you'd be 'a critic'? What would you like to talk with JW about, should he meet you next month? Why DOES Maharaji eat a bunch of fortune cookies every time he gives satsang? Have you ever had marshmallow fluff? Have you ever had a fluffernutter? Marshmallow fluff and lots of peanut butter? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:14:34 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: No marshmallows since I was a kid roasting them at the beach. I have had Irish Coffees with good whiskey, Baileys and whipped cream. A couple trips to Amsterdam and some space cakes. Oh, JW. Well he could meet me at the Saloon. He might not think I am worth meeting. Thats O.K. The world is a big place with lots of people. There should be an interesting crowd at Oakland to interact with. I thought it might be interesting to connect a real person to some of these on-line masterpieces. I was being sociable. Do I need an agenda? Are you JW's publicity rep? Or, are you JW? CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:24:47 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: Chris, I'm not JW. Just me, plain ol' Jim. I, too, think you guys should meet. On the other hand, what's important, Chris, about all this does seem to go through you like a sieve. Chris, I feel sorry for you and
I'm being sincere right now. I'm sure that you would like to
have a nice connection with all sorts of people and that, in that
respect, you are indeed 'nice'. But If you want 'interesting' Chris you're going to have to get to 'interesting' places in 'interesting' ways. A bunch of smiley face premies too afraid to really look at their lives and their idiotic scam of a cult leader doesn't cut it. So, you've got yourself one major reputation on this board as a very evasive fellow. You're aware of that, aren't you? Or are you going to be evasive about even that? Okay. The concensus seems to be that Chris is either unable or unwilling to get real. Now why should JW want to ruin a perfectly good couple of hours confirming this unpleasant fact? Come on, Chris. You've got to give a little, man. And not just smiles. That's all.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 09:01:00 (EDT)
Poster: tom Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: thats right, I remember, it's not really the words. what the heck does that mean? I'll have to mull that over. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 09:32:04 (EDT)
Poster: tom Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: That would be brian Mc Dermott I think I will post some of his prevoius comments from a more glorious era. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 01:19:54 (EDT)
Poster: cyberknowledgesession Email: vurtualdoughnuts@net.com To: Brian Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: I'll be a critic at the program in Oakland July 5. I'm sure Maharaji will be
staying up late trying to come up with some great Truth to
overcome your innate skepticism. I can see him now... Eat a
cookie, read the fortune, eat a cookie, read the fortune...
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 23:25:41 (EDT)
Poster: DON'T HE TRUST US? Email: WHATMIND@NET.COM To: cyberknowledgesession Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: I'll be a critic at the program in Oakland July 5. I'm sure Maharaji
will be staying up late trying to come up with some great Truth
to overcome your innate skepticism. I can see him now... Eat a
cookie, read the fortune, eat a cookie, read the fortune...
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 12:37:49 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: DON'T HE TRUST US? Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: Look, you've got something to say and I really appreciate it. Of course I do. But a) who the hell's Joe Gould?; and b) PLEASE give up the block letters. Know what I mean? They're just hard to read, that's all. By the way, I think your point is right on. (They still
say that up here in Canada, believe it or not. Right on, eh?
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 20:56:06 (EDT)
Poster: don't he Email: dddllllmmmm To: Jim Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: Look, you've got something to say and I really appreciate it. Of course I do. But a) who the hell's Joe Gould?; and b) PLEASE give up the block letters. Know what I mean? They're just hard to read, that's all. By the way, I think your point is right
on. (They still say that up here in Canada, believe it or not.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 21:08:24 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: don't he Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: Okay, who's she? And 'took him to court'? Where, when how? Did the case go to trial? Really? Who testified? J. Z. Knight? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:24:46 (EDT)
Poster: op Email: To: don't he Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: I can still get in touch with Joan Leahy - perhaps I'll ask her what the hell you're talking about. She didn't sound so negative the last time I spoke to her (about 3 years ago) Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:57:08 (EDT)
Poster: op Email: To: don't he Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: pls forgive if this comes up twice - the first time I posted it, it didn't show up so I'm trying again. I can still get in touch with
Joan Laehy, so might ask her. The last time I spoke with her
(about 3 years ago) she didn't sound so negative. Decidedly not
practicing, but not negative.
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Date: Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:58:14 (EDT)
Poster: op Email: To: don't he Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: pls forgive if this comes up twice - the first time I posted it, it didn't show up so I'm trying again. I can still get in touch with
Joan Laehy, so might ask her. The last time I spoke with her
(about 3 years ago) she didn't sound so negative. Decidedly not
practicing, but not negative.
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Date: Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:59:59 (EDT)
Poster: op Email: To: don't he Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: pls forgive if this comes up twice - the first time I posted it, it didn't show up so I'm trying again. I can still get in touch with Joan
Laehy, so might ask her. The last time I spoke with her (about 3
years ago) she didn't sound so negative. Decidedly not
practicing, but not negative.
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Date: Mon, Jun 16, 1997 at 19:53:16 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: op Subject: Re: Morning smile Message: pls forgive if this comes up twice - the first time I posted it, it didn't show up so I'm trying again. I can still get in
touch with Joan Laehy, so might ask her. The last time I spoke
with her (about 3 years ago) she didn't sound so negative.
Decidedly not practicing, but not negative. 'Sit, Monkey!!
Sit!!'
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 05:24:51 (EDT)
Poster: Paul Email: oily2000@aol.com To: Everyone Subject: Crossing a premie Message: Hi I left DLM in 1972, and for some time tried to convince my friends to leave too. After a while I lost touch with premies, then in 1981 I was studying at a Bible College in the north of England. It was Easter break and I decided to travel south to London, to stay with some friends for a few days. Not having much money I decided to hitch-hike, after a while a vehicle stopped and was given a lift. The driver wanted to talk about spiritual things so I told him I was a Christian - he asked me if I d ever been anything else - so I told him I used to be a premie - he then wanted to know what I thought about M. So I told him I thought M was a false messiah. Well that did it - he was very angry - it turned out he was a premie, and he pulled out a big knife, and threatened to kill me unless I denied Jesus. What happened then was - an irrational peace came upon me (I know fear would have been very rational) and it didn t matter to me what he did. Obviously he didn t kill me - he eventually stopped the vehicle and threw me out on the motorway. I was able to climb down a bank - to a road with a bus route and catch a bus to Leeds - where I stayed with friends for the Easter break. Has anyone
else had similar experiences with premies.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 09:53:55 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Paul Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: Has anyone else had similar experiences with premies. I was that guy! So this is where you went, huh?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 10:17:56 (EDT)
Poster: Douche Email: To: Paul Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: Forgive my curious nature, Paul, but what's with the 'oily2000' email address? Does it have some signficance? It's just that the year 2000 seems to be attracting religious lemmings in ever-increasing numbers. You're not one of those 'end of the world is nighers', are you? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 10:23:47 (EDT)
Poster: Paul Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: Nice to meet you Jim Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 10:30:00 (EDT)
Poster: Paul Email: oily2000@aol.com To: Douche Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: No - it's just that "oily" had gone on AOL - [oily was a nick-name at school - being Paul Hoyle] so I thought "oily2000" would be easy to remember. And I'll be 50 in the year 2000. Nothing else As far as end of the world .... Who knows - I just wana live today as best as I can - Just in case .... That knife may come again! Thanks for
asking.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 19:38:01 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: Paul Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: Has anyone else had similar experiences with premies. I was recently called 'insensitive' by a
brainless premie when I implied that her Lord's wife wasn't able
to be healed by His Lordship. I was almost nervous. Does that
count? I was almost VERY nervous at the time, actually... And
almost hurt too...
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 20:44:13 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Paul Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: Speaking of cutting and knives, in 1979, Dennis Marciniak made me shave my beard off so I would be more "relatable" to aspirants and "the world." What lack of a beard had to do with it I never knew. But he didn't use a knife to shave me, I did that myself. Nevertheless, I now consider this a personal attack.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:11:40 (EDT)
Poster: Bill Cooper Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: A premie Paul Bray used to carry a big kitchen knife around with him wherever he went to protect himself. He later OD'd and died in a pub where everyone thought he was dead drunk but he was simply dead. I used to work in a premie whole food shopcalled Amazing Grain in Leicester UK. I'm not sure it's wise to say all the crazy things that went on while I'm sitting here in Singapore. I've often thought it would make a good alternative sitcom. The baker went to prison for five years, we poisoned the communnity and thats just for starters. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:51:54 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: Has anyone else had similar experiences with premies. I was recently
called 'insensitive' by a brainless premie when I implied that
her Lord's wife wasn't able to be healed by His Lordship. I was
almost nervous. Does that count? I was almost VERY nervous at the
time, actually... And almost hurt too... |
Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 04:45:21 (EDT)
Poster: Paul Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: Has anyone else had similar experiences with premies. I was recently
called 'insensitive' by a brainless premie when I implied that
her Lord's wife wasn't able to be healed by His Lordship. I was
almost nervous. Does that count? I was almost VERY nervous at the
time, actually... And almost hurt too... |
Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 04:50:36 (EDT)
Poster: Paul Email: To: Bill Cooper Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: Thanks Bill A lot of heavy stuff really did go on. I am glad I was out of by then!
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 07:54:28 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: You need a big strong girl to slap you around a bit. With the courts ruling the way they have been, she doesn't have to be big or strong to slap me around. Just a woman. But then, you were referring to your personal love life, and I'd rather not have to carry around that sort of image in my head just to verify what I've been reading in your posts. BTW, Chris. Opie did at least post a memorable answer to my
now-archived question 'Who Is He'. You wanna take a stab at it?
The question refers to MJ. You've been dancing around that
yourself in your posts, writing instead about plants and
spirituality. The choices were: Lord, Meditation Teacher, Fraud.
But since Opie pointed out that there might be other possible
combinations, then feel free to elaborate on any that you may
see. I await anxiously for your Haiku response.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 01:24:25 (EDT)
Poster: Michael Dresbach Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Paul Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: I left DLM in 1977, and one reason was because a premie who was trying to prove his devotion told me "if Maharaji told me to slit your throat I'd do it right now!" I answered, "if he told me to slit your throat I'd tell him to get fucked because it would prove that he wasn't Perfect Master." Maharaji didn't worry me half as much as his "Fan Club." Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 06:48:18 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: Michael Dresbach Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: I left DLM in 1977, and one reason was because a premie who was trying to prove his devotion told me 'if Maharaji told me to slit your throat I'd do it right now!' I answered, 'if he told me to slit your throat I'd tell him to get fucked because it would prove that he wasn't Perfect Master.' Maharaji didn't worry me half as much as his 'Fan Club.' The independent thought that you were expressing was, and still is, discouraged by those surrounding MJ. That other premie may have moved 'up' in the organization over time. Surrender and devotion are highly prized and rewarded by His Lordship, with those demonstrating blindness being allowed more access to the 'Light'. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 06:53:38 (EDT)
Poster: Brian - revised Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: The independent thought that you were expressing was, and still is, discouraged by those surrounding MJ. I meant to say 'discouraged in
those surrounding MJ'. I shouldn't post before the coffee
kicks in...
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 07:30:18 (EDT)
Poster: Paul Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: But this just demonstrates that the 'Light' is only darkness. It's darkness
that M gives us - not the true light.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 11:00:47 (EDT)
Poster: Michael Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: I left DLM in 1977, and one reason was because a premie who was trying to prove his devotion told me 'if Maharaji told me to slit your throat I'd do it right now!' I answered, 'if he told me to slit your throat I'd tell him to get fucked because it would prove that he wasn't Perfect Master.' Maharaji didn't worry me half as much as his 'Fan Club.' The independent thought that you were expressing was, and still is, discouraged by those surrounding MJ. That other premie may have moved 'up' in the organization over time. Surrender and devotion are highly prized and rewarded by His Lordship, with those demonstrating blindness being allowed more access to the 'Light'. You are so right; independent thought was discouraged, as was any questioning of what passed for theology. I had too much trouble "toeing the party line" and the lack of critical thinking of the premies really upset me. I was with the DLM for five years but felt inadequate because I was unable to fully surrender; I now realize that this unwillingness to "lose my mind" was my salvation! I must admit, I was never comfortable with the term "in your mind" because it was anti-intellectual and reminded me of the term "back-slider" in the fundamentalists churches when I was a child. There was so little light but a lot of blindness. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 12:42:56 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Paul Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: But this just demonstrates that the 'Light' is only darkness. It's
darkness that M gives us - not the true light.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 23:04:39 (EDT)
Poster: tom Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: I wonder if paul will engage on that issue. that could be wild. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 00:49:50 (EDT)
Poster: DANGER Email: DANGER@MADMAN.NET.COM To: Bill Cooper Subject: Re: Crossing a premie Message: A premie Paul Bray used to carry a big kitchen knife around with him wherever he went to protect himself. He later OD'd and died in a pub where everyone thought he was dead drunk but he was simply dead. I used to work in a premie whole food shopcalled Amazing Grain in Leicester UK. I'm not sure it's wise to say all the crazy things that went on while I'm sitting here in Singapore. I've often thought it would make a good alternative sitcom. The baker went to prison for five years, we poisoned the communnity and thats just for starters. PREMIES ARE DANGEROUS AND DESPERATE AND HAVE A FAKE MASTER! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 00:15:47 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Everyone Subject: Ticket To Heaven Message: That movie made in the early 80s,"Ticket to Heaven" is being run on the Bravo cable channel this week. I just watched it again. I remember seeing it when it first came out right after I left the Guru Maharaj Ji cult. Although it appears to be based more on the Moonies than on premies, there are still many similarities. For example, you see the way the main character fights not to listen to "doubt" and not to let doubt enter his mind, just like Guru Maharaj Ji taught; you see the rejection of parents and families, like Maharaj Ji also taught; and you hear how the leader of the cult, called "father," lives in fabulous wealth while the followers take vows of poverty and celibacy, just like Guru Maharaj Ji, and you also see the way that wealth is rationalized by the cult members.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 04:37:03 (EDT)
Poster: Bill Cooper Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: Dont you think DLM and big M would make a great movie especially if it was shot from Maharajis point of view as yet another victim. What title would you give it * Gone with the Wind* *The Master of deciept * The Master baiter *.....suggestions Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 05:43:31 (EDT)
Poster: Paul Email: oily2000@aol.com To: JW Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: Yes I saw it a few years ago - it was on in the middle of the night here in England - so I set the video - it started late - so I didn't get the end. As I've been another cult too (Children of GOD) it reminded me more of them than DLM - although I could see a lot of DLM in it. I
would like to see it again - I think I would get more out of it
now.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 13:11:26 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Bill Cooper Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: I think Maharaj Ji has already been doing some "filming." In 1990,I went to what was billed as an "Introductory Program" at a big hotel in San Francisco. The program started out with a video of clouds, obviously shot from the window of an airplane or jet. In the backgroud of these shots of clouds and sky, Guru Maharaj Ji mumbled some words that I could not understand. This went on for about 15 or 20 minutes. Although I was used to listening to his fractured English and dangling participles, I never could figure out what he was saying. But the premies hung on every "word" and looked goo-goo eyed nonetheless.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 13:32:16 (EDT)
Poster: Deena and Info-Cult Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: Yes, Ticket to Heaven did have very real comparisons but the video footage of the Heaven's Gate really reminded me of ashram life. And they lived in the same crowded rooms while Applewhite lived in luxury separate from them. I could really relate to the deprogramming of the Moonie, especially his pain as they revealed the TRUTH to him. Jim posted a while back how he ran into a current member of the Moonies. He was 50ish and all smiley faced. When Jim confronted him with the question of what he would do if he found out it was all a fraud, he was speechless. Jw.....my son and I had a debate when we watched Ticket to Heaven a few months back. At the end, when the deprogrammed moonie is hugging his family outside and the cult members drive up, they end the movie with a close up of his eyes, and that same look is in them as if he had faked the deprogramming process. To me it looked as if he was looking at his former cult members with the intention of going back. What do you think? There is a video available through Info-Cult in Montreal that is called 'Beyond The Mirage a documentory video on the cult phenonmenon' It is 22 min. and can be rented for about $40 Canadian. It deals with what draws people to cults, what leads some to question their involvement, and two ex-members (of what cult, I don't know) tell their stories. I haven't gotten 'round to renting it yet because my phone and exit counselling bills are my priority right now. It costs $110 to buy so renting it makes more sense. While I am on the topic, there is a group in Montreal (it kills me that the most active anti-cult organization in Canada is in the city the most active and the centre of Maharaji's work in Canada, as well as the place he has the most events and up untill recently went for his flight exams twice a year)...where was I? Oh yeah, this group publish a quarterly newsletter that I got my first copy of the other day. In it were some web sites related to cult stuff. I'll list them here for anyone interested. I haven't gotten a chance yet to check them out. hhtp://members.aol.com/carol2180/ http:/www.users.fast.net~szimhart http://www.csj.org http://www.ex-cult.org Also an e-zine called Thought Reform
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:05:19 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Deena and Info-Cult Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: Regarding Ticket to Heaven, the guy wasn't called a "moonie" and I think the script was based on a conglomeration of DLM, Moonies and other cults. I thought it was interesting that the cult leader was Indonesian -- about halfway between Korea and India, right? Anyway, at the end, I think he smiled and looked at the cult members when they drove up, because he realized they didn't have any hold on him anymore, and couldn't intimidate him back into the cult after he was deprogrammed. At least that's the way I interpreted it. I have a lot of trouble with deprogramming, because I'm a fervent civil libertarian, and even if it might be justified from some perspectives, it is still an infringement on someone's personal rights. It can also be done badly. I knew a couple of people personally who were deprogrammed from DLM by professionals hired by their parents. In both cases, it "worked" and they were gone from the DLM cult forever. I had a little contact with one of them after that, but he seemed wary of me (and I of him) so the connection was over.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:19:51 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: JW, normally I agree with you. But I can't go along with your dismissal of Maharaji's political savy. Even now I find it astounding.... well, remarkable, that one so young could see so much. Here's what he once said about 'nam: 'I can show you the cause of these problems and the way to dissolve them.. America was fighting in Vietnam, and Vietnam, you know, it's so far away [who else ever put it so succinctly?]. Why destroy Vietnam? Vietnam was not eating America, but America wanted to finish it. Just abolish it, finish it right off. This is the result of our ego. This is our mind. It is mind that makes us do all these things. [okay, that's impressive enough. But see how he ties this analysis in with his commentary on the second world war]. Hitler wanted to conquer the world. Why conquer the world? Mind.' So, JW, you should give credit
where it's due. I read shit like this and sometimes wonder --
maybe he still was the Lord in the early 70s.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 17:10:14 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: Yes Jim, that was a DEEP and astute analysis about geopolitical issues. God, if the world had only known that Hitler was "in his mind," think of the millions that would have been saved by pointing that out to him? Where is the messiah when you need him? A little satsang, service and meditation and, well, you know, Hitler would be out on the street selling And It Is Divine, even in Jewish neighborhoods.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 21:05:52 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Paul Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: I'm sure the film is available on video. So you can probably get it from a video store if you want. The Bravo channel put in on in the states because of the recent stories about the Applewhite/Hale Bopp cult. I saw it when it first came out in about 1982 or 1983, but I got more out of it seeing it this time.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:27:25 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: The root of hatred and mistrust of other human beings is actually very simple. Of
course you can always cover it up with complex political, social
and economic explanations. The thing that all human beings
have in common is very simple. CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:04:17 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: The root of hatred and mistrust of other human beings is actually very simple. Of course you can always cover it up with complex
political, social and economic explanations. The thing that
all human beings have in common is very simple. CD Hey, Yoda! Someone lost the last reel. I didn't get the end of your teaching. What's the punchline? Or, if I remember the transitive principle, am I to assume that because: The root of hatred and mistrust of other human beings is actually very simple. and The thing that all human beings have in common is very simple. that: The root of hatred and mistrust of other human beings is actually the thing that all human beings have in common? Is that it? Come on, Chris! Help me understand.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:21:05 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: Your problem is that you abuse the transitive principle and statistical correlation. You are a very clever fool. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:27:32 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: Your problem is that you abuse the transitive principle and statistical correlation. You are a very clever fool. Well at least you didn't lay
any quantum physics on me.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 05:18:40 (EDT)
Poster: Paul Email: oily2000@aol.com To: JW Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: I'm sure the film is available on video. So you can probably get it from a video store if you want. The Bravo channel put in on in the states because of the recent stories about the Applewhite/Hale Bopp cult. I saw it when it first came out in about 1982 or 1983, but I got more out of it seeing it this time.
Like DLM GOG was run by a strong leader - very distant from most of the followers - only the special people beig allowed near to him. M and 'Mosses David' were manipulators of the highest order. I never met 'Mosses David' [David Berg] so beyond that I can't go very far. In COG we were given 'Mo Letters' very often - read to us at breakfast - to keep us fired up. 'Mo Letters' were seen as Gods word to us. With both the desire was to build a kingdom for the leader - each wanting power and wealth. I never lived in an ashram - but I did live in a COG colony - and it was very hard when I left [even very hard to get out - never being alone in case the devil snatches you - I'll tell you that story sometime] - false guilt almost took be back a number of times. Hope that helps a bit - please see also my new string
on 'M the manipulator'
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 08:12:40 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: The thing that all human beings have in common is very simple. Its importance is overlooked in favor of compexity. Your problem is that you abuse the transitive principle and statistical correlation. You are a very clever fool. This being an example, right? Of people
muddying the water via 'complexity'? Or clever foolishness,
maybe? Language can be so ambiguous. Thought requires such
clarity. I keep getting error messages when I compile your posts,
Chris. Help me with this. What simple header files am I missing
that you have access to? Allow me to #include them.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 04:32:36 (EDT)
Poster: Bill Cooper Email: To: Paul Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: Good to hear about your involvement in COG. I think there is something in our mental makeup that makes us suckers for M and the like. Just because you leave on doesn't make you immune to the next. I find I get wisdom with hindsight but that never really helps with the present. There
was a premie in Leicester whose name I cant recall at the moment
but he was a car salesman and he would regail us with stories of
puttting one over on people and never give a sucker an even break
sort of thing. It was funny because these weren't premies and
they were attached to cars as material objects , so they were
fair game, or so we thought then.Its interesting to think that
even con men get conned.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 07:42:36 (EDT)
Poster: Paul Email: To: Bill Cooper Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven Message: Yes Bill Some of us are suckers for it - but I do believe that we can work through these issues inside ourselves - I have found it painful - but it's like running in a race - we have to go through the pain barrier - it is worth it - I'm a lot more careful now. Often I find I have to forgive the first person that did it to me - then I come free. Then I see these people coming. Paul
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Date: Sun, Jun 8, 1997 at 22:32:59 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Everyone Subject: Miracle Technology Message: Maharaji's dad wrote a book wherein he explained how one can only be enlightened by a living guru: 'This quickening impulse cannot be derived from books. The soul can only receive impulses from another soul, and from nothing else. We may study books all our lives, we may become very intellectual, but in the end we find that we have not developed at all spiritually. It is not true that a high order of intellectual development always goes hand in hand with a proportionate development of the spiritual side in man. In studying books we are sometimes deluded into thinking that thereby we are being spiritually helped; but if we analyse the effect of the study of books on ourselves, we shall find that at the utmost it is only our intellect that derives profit from such studies. This inadequacy of books to quicken spiritual growth is the reason why, although almost every one of us can speak most wonderfully on spiritual matters, when it comes to action and the living of a truly spiritual life, we find ourselves so awfully deficient. To quicken the spirit, the impulse must come from another soul. The person from whose soul such an impulse comes is called the Guru - the teacher; and the person to whose soul the impulse is conveyed is called the Shishya - the student. To convey such an impulse to any soul, in the first place, the soul from which it proceeds must possess the power of transmitting it, as it were, to another; and in the second place, the soul must be fit to receive it.' Wonder if he would have agreed with junior that the 'quickening impulse' could be conveyed by video? How close to the video would you have to sit? Would Maharaji have to be there too? How close to the video would HE have to sit? What if he left the room, like the time OP told us about? What about surround sound? What if the VCR breaks in mid-session? So it gets pretty quiet here when there aren't any apologists to fight, doesn't it? Maybe I'll get all the addresses from Harlan's page and email them again to get something going. Or, maybe not. I guess one of these days things are just going to quiet down for good, in a sense. We'll go back to living, just plain living. Maharaji will continue milking his happy herd. Some stragglers might break away. New premies will take their place. Shit, I hope that's not the end of it. I mean, as if
it's any surprise, I'd REALLY like to see this guy confronted.
Further, I'd REALLY like to hear more 'true life' stories about
the guy I worshipped as God. Like, what if he did father
Claudia's kid? Wouldn't it be neat to know? Who knows? Maybe the New Yorker
article will juice things up a bit. Then again, maybe not. What
else night work? Wouldn't it be cool if Maharaji sued us for
defamation? He'd have to go to court and that could be kind of
neat. Hey, I know...... I wonder if we could ever track down
anything from the case in India where the two brothers slagged
each other over the Lord of the Universe title. Hmm.
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Date: Sun, Jun 8, 1997 at 22:57:09 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Miracle Technology Message: Sorry, I just had to test this. If I want to something or , does this do the trick? Or is it and ?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 03:34:50 (EDT)
Poster: Douche Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Miracle Technology Message: Hey, I know...... I wonder if we could ever track down anything from the case in India where the two brothers slagged each other over the Lord of the Universe title. Hmm. Now that would be neat. How I'd love to see the
transcript of that little case!
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 03:41:00 (EDT)
Poster: Douche Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Miracle Technology Message: Far be it from me to teach granny etc., but the best place for tests is at the last post... but it's fun isn't it? Can you do the really big writing? I haven't mastered that one yet. Oh life's so much more fun now we have the internet to play with. Zzzzzzzzzzz P.S. Did you see
Doodah's picture of Mili in a Krishna crown before Scott pulled
it? I'm quite miffed (English for pissed off) that I missed it.
We'll have to do something about Scott and his censorious
tendencies!
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 09:21:59 (EDT)
Poster: Scott Email: To: Douche Subject: Re: Miracle Technology Message: Dear Douche, - OK, you win Douche. 'Second party' censorship is for the birds. Since the last (and final) time I donned the hat of 'censor', a minor miracle has taken place. I have come to the inner realization that for any one person on the internet amongst our little band, to censor a 2nd is quite simply moronic behavior. Sorry I didn't save the picture of mili in the Krishna crown. I'd re-post it if I could. As I said earlier, that, and the one post I yanked last week are the only two times I have ever done this. You have my word that they will be the last times. (Especially considering the fact that once this discussion moves over to Usenet, the whole issue of censorship becomes moot.) -
Scott
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:13:40 (EDT)
Poster: tom Email: To: Scott Subject: Re: Miracle Technology Message: Scotto, I dont know, maybe its good that you have your own standards and have the feeling that its not only your perogative but your job to have this site fit your vision. You removed my comedy (wicked as it was) and I am ok. Instead of a blanket no censorship rule, you can get a second or third opinion and still wield your god like power. Dont feel guilty, make us quake and tremor with the threat of excommunication. Face it ,power makes you happy and we want you to be happy. Have fun with the red button. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:19:18 (EDT)
Poster: Tom Email: To: red button god Subject: Re: Miracle Technology Message: I've got it, why dont you censore and the person censored can offer to e-mail it to whomever wants to see the over the top item? That way we have standards and freedom of info combined. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:33:31 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Tom Subject: Re: Miracle Technology Message: Tom, what's going on? I'm beginning to think I understand your posts. Is this just me... honestly, I haven't slept much recently. But is anyone else out there experiencing this? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:08:24 (EDT)
Poster: Bill Cooper Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Miracle Technology Message: No. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |