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Forum I Archive # 7

From: Jun 4, 1997

To: Jun 17, 1997

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Jim -:- Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 11:15:00 (EDT)
___Chris -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 15:43:24 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:09:47 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:10:00 (EDT)
___Chris -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:22:46 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:39:17 (EDT)
___Chris -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 17:31:17 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:08:24 (EDT)
___Chris -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:22:22 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:42:41 (EDT)
___Brian -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 19:43:25 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 19:58:43 (EDT)
___Chris -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:14:34 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:24:47 (EDT)
___tom -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 09:01:00 (EDT)
___tom -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 09:32:04 (EDT)
___cyberknowledgesession -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 01:19:54 (EDT)
___DON'T HE TRUST US? -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 23:25:41 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 12:37:49 (EDT)
___don't he -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 20:56:06 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 21:08:24 (EDT)
___op -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:24:46 (EDT)
___op -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:57:08 (EDT)
___op -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:58:14 (EDT)
___op -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:59:59 (EDT)
___Brian -:- Re: Morning smile -:- Mon, Jun 16, 1997 at 19:53:16 (EDT)

Paul -:- Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 05:24:51 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 09:53:55 (EDT)
___Douche -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 10:17:56 (EDT)
___Paul -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 10:23:47 (EDT)
___Paul -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 10:30:00 (EDT)
___Brian -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 19:38:01 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 20:44:13 (EDT)
___Bill Cooper -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:11:40 (EDT)
___Chris -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:51:54 (EDT)
___Paul -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 04:45:21 (EDT)
___Paul -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 04:50:36 (EDT)
___Brian -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 07:54:28 (EDT)
___Michael Dresbach -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 01:24:25 (EDT)
___Brian -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 06:48:18 (EDT)
___Brian - revised -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 06:53:38 (EDT)
___Paul -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 07:30:18 (EDT)
___Michael -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 11:00:47 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 12:42:56 (EDT)
___tom -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 23:04:39 (EDT)
___DANGER -:- Re: Crossing a premie -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 00:49:50 (EDT)

JW -:- Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 00:15:47 (EDT)
___Bill Cooper -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 04:37:03 (EDT)
___Paul -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 05:43:31 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 13:11:26 (EDT)
___Deena and Info-Cult -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 13:32:16 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:05:19 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:19:51 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 17:10:14 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 21:05:52 (EDT)
___Chris -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:27:25 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:04:17 (EDT)
___Chris -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:21:05 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:27:32 (EDT)
___Paul -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 05:18:40 (EDT)
___Brian -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 08:12:40 (EDT)
___Bill Cooper -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 04:32:36 (EDT)
___Paul -:- Re: Ticket To Heaven -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 07:42:36 (EDT)

Jim -:- Miracle Technology -:- Sun, Jun 8, 1997 at 22:32:59 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Sun, Jun 8, 1997 at 22:57:09 (EDT)
___Douche -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 03:34:50 (EDT)
___Douche -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 03:41:00 (EDT)
___Scott -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 09:21:59 (EDT)
___tom -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:13:40 (EDT)
___Tom -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:19:18 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:33:31 (EDT)
___Bill Cooper -:- Re: Miracle Technology -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:08:24 (EDT)


Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 11:15:00 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Everyone
Subject: Morning smile
Message:
Here's the latest from Harlan's gurunoid page. And who says Maharaji doesn't lead his faithful to deep wisdom?:


' The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face.'

Then, there's this appeal to ignore the nattering nabobs of negativity:

' Dear All Well this is a surprise to find a way of communicating to like
minded human beings, I'm looking forward to the programme in Brighton,it's
a shame that a few premies have got into the negative about Maharji,I can't
because I would not have had a life without his guidance and help I was
heading for extinction until he came along at the perfect hour and it has
been an incredible journey ever since.Let's all stay with the positive.
love to all Dermot.'

Ah yes, the old premie saw about how Maharaji saved my life!
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 15:43:24 (EDT)
Poster: Chris
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
Many people have had a positive experience in their lives because of Maharaji's teachings and guidance.

The message you interpret as an 'appeal to ignore' I see as an expression of gratitude.

You are certainly entitled to enjoy your 'negativity' and proclaim what is wise.
But you can't change what is true.

I'll be a critic at the program in Oakland July 5.
Just got my hotel reservations together for the December Long Beach event.
If I was rich I would certainly enjoy going to the tour in England.

Have fun,
CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:09:47 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
Chris, where is the program in Oakland on July 5?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:10:00 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
But you can't change what is true

Chris, funny to hear you talk about 'truth' when you're afraid to search for it. What do you say to Paul, the ex-premie Jesus freak? He thinks his life has been enhanced 'because of [Jesus's] teachings and guidance.' Would you tell him he's wrong? That used to be the party line -- that Jesus was long gone and any realtionship with him a figment of the Christian imagination. Is that what you'd tell him? Or, in your typical cowardliness would you avoid the question altogether?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:22:46 (EDT)
Poster: Chris
Email:
To: JW
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
Probably the convention center.
Check the info number after June 9: 818-889-0500.
A schedule for the entire year has already been published.
The local events have it.
The number of locations where M will visit is pretty extensive.
I'll be in Oakland July 4. Want to meet?

CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:39:17 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
Probably the convention center.
Check the info number after June 9: 818-889-0500.
A schedule for the entire year has already been published.
The local events have it.
The number of locations where M will visit is pretty extensive.
I'll be in Oakland July 4. Want to meet?

CD

Sorry, Deena, Jim and I are attending an ACIN (A Course in Negativity) convention that day. We are all getting a "negativity review" to refresh our levels of negativity. So, no, I won't meet you on Independence day, (he said negatively).


But if I can get a couple of my satanic, ex-premie friends to go with me, we might attend the program on 7/5. How much does it cost? Is financial aid available?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 17:31:17 (EDT)
Poster: Chris
Email:
To: JW
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
The program will have no tickets as usual. Donations only.
Most likely a box if you want to drop some coins to cover the site costs. (Like the event in L.A.)
The Marriott in Oakland is relatively cheap to stay at for out of town visitors if Elan Vital is mentioned ($75).

I am sure I can find plenty to do in San Fransisco on July 4th.
For music I actually like the dive bar The Saloon on Grant street and the Paradise Lounge.
Just trying to be sociable in making the meeting offer.
If you knew me you would realize that the 'negativity' thing is not an issue with me.
After CIN and the program this site should get hot.

One of the first people that came to a program with me in 1972 claimed to be a witch. I had met her while I was giving out leaflets in the London subway while playing my guitar for coins.

Cheers,
CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:08:24 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
Chris, is the program supposed to be "introductory," or is it for people who are already premies?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:22:22 (EDT)
Poster: Chris
Email:
To: JW
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
Not introductory.
It is for people who are already interested in Knowledge and people who have gone to a Knowledge session.

I'll be at the Marriott.

CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:42:41 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
JW, Do us all a favour and go to the program and have coffee with Chris. Or, if you prefer, go hear Chris speak and have a drink with Maharaji. Either way, I'm sure we'd all love your report.

Even Chris. Especially Chris. Wonder what he'd say? Probably that he's happy, to each his own, takes one to know one and, if he loosens up, a stitch in time saves nine. Then again, it's not really the words, is it? It's never the words. It's the fabric.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 19:43:25 (EDT)
Poster: Brian
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
I'll be a critic at the program in Oakland July 5.

I'm sure Maharaji will be staying up late trying to come up with some great Truth to overcome your innate skepticism. I can see him now... Eat a cookie, read the fortune, eat a cookie, read the fortune...
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 19:58:43 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Brian
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
Chris, on a personal note, I DON'T think your skepticism is inane. Do you? What do you think, Chris? Why did you say you'd be 'a critic'? What would you like to talk with JW about, should he meet you next month? Why DOES Maharaji eat a bunch of fortune cookies every time he gives satsang? Have you ever had marshmallow fluff? Have you ever had a fluffernutter? Marshmallow fluff and lots of peanut butter?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:14:34 (EDT)
Poster: Chris
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
No marshmallows since I was a kid roasting them at the beach.
I have had Irish Coffees with good whiskey, Baileys and whipped cream.
A couple trips to Amsterdam and some space cakes.
Oh, JW. Well he could meet me at the Saloon.
He might not think I am worth meeting. Thats O.K.
The world is a big place with lots of people.
There should be an interesting crowd at Oakland to interact with.
I thought it might be interesting to connect a real person to some of these on-line masterpieces.
I was being sociable. Do I need an agenda?
Are you JW's publicity rep?
Or, are you JW?

CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:24:47 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
Chris, I'm not JW. Just me, plain ol' Jim. I, too, think you guys should meet. On the other hand, what's important, Chris, about all this does seem to go through you like a sieve.

Chris, I feel sorry for you and I'm being sincere right now. I'm sure that you would like to have a nice connection with all sorts of people and that, in that respect, you are indeed 'nice'. But interesting ? [I have no idea what that 's' is going to do, but I thought I'd try it. The word, by the way, was supposed to be 'interesting']

If you want 'interesting' Chris you're going to have to get to 'interesting' places in 'interesting' ways. A bunch of smiley face premies too afraid to really look at their lives and their idiotic scam of a cult leader doesn't cut it.

So, you've got yourself one major reputation on this board as a very evasive fellow. You're aware of that, aren't you? Or are you going to be evasive about even that? Okay. The concensus seems to be that Chris is either unable or unwilling to get real. Now why should JW want to ruin a perfectly good couple of hours confirming this unpleasant fact? Come on, Chris. You've got to give a little, man. And not just smiles.

That's all.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 09:01:00 (EDT)
Poster: tom
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
thats right, I remember, it's not really the words.
what the heck does that mean?
I'll have to mull that over.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 09:32:04 (EDT)
Poster: tom
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
That would be brian Mc Dermott
I think I will post some of his prevoius comments from
a more glorious era.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 01:19:54 (EDT)
Poster: cyberknowledgesession
Email: vurtualdoughnuts@net.com
To: Brian
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
I'll be a critic at the program in Oakland July 5.

I'm sure Maharaji will be staying up late trying to come up with some great Truth to overcome your innate skepticism. I can see him now... Eat a cookie, read the fortune, eat a cookie, read the fortune...
comming soon....techniques...help with techniques.....inspiration.......comming soon on this page..................
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 23:25:41 (EDT)
Poster: DON'T HE TRUST US?
Email: WHATMIND@NET.COM
To: cyberknowledgesession
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
I'll be a critic at the program in Oakland July 5.

I'm sure Maharaji will be staying up late trying to come up with some great Truth to overcome your innate skepticism. I can see him now... Eat a cookie, read the fortune, eat a cookie, read the fortune...
comming soon....techniques...help with techniques.....inspiration.......comming soon on this page..................
REMEMBER MAHARAJI SAYING TO A PREMIE WHO ASKED,MARHARAJI,WHY DON'T YOU HAVE US ALL UP TO YOUR HOUSE?DON'T YOU TRUST US?WE'LL I TRUST YOU,BUT I DON'T TRUST YOUR MINDS!WHAT ABOUT JOE GOULDS MIND AND HIS 17 YEAR OLD GIRL FRIENDS MIND ...THEY WEREN'T EVEN PREMIES,YET HE TRUST THEIR MINDS TO HAVE THEM NEAR HIM???WHAT GIVES HERE OUR LITTLE MINDS COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND THE GREAT DOM,UNDERSTAND...TO STAND UNDER!......MY FEET,YOU SUBMISSIVE FOOL.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 12:37:49 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: DON'T HE TRUST US?
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
Look, you've got something to say and I really appreciate it. Of course I do. But a) who the hell's Joe Gould?; and b) PLEASE give up the block letters. Know what I mean? They're just hard to read, that's all.

By the way, I think your point is right on. (They still say that up here in Canada, believe it or not. Right on, eh?
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 20:56:06 (EDT)
Poster: don't he
Email: dddllllmmmm
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
Look, you've got something to say and I really appreciate it. Of course I do. But a) who the hell's Joe Gould?; and b) PLEASE give up the block letters. Know what I mean? They're just hard to read, that's all.

By the way, I think your point is right on. (They still say that up here in Canada, believe it or not. Right on, eh?
joe gould owned the building,that dlm occupied in denver,he was an old man,and m made friends with him,with his infinate charm,where ever theres money you'll find him sniffing around.wish i could have had enough money to by my fredom, out of that crap trap.but joan lehi gave him a million i heard and she didn't get away....would like to know what she has to say?she took him to court but didnt get it back.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 21:08:24 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: don't he
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
Okay, who's she? And 'took him to court'? Where, when how? Did the case go to trial? Really? Who testified? J. Z. Knight?
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Date: Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:24:46 (EDT)
Poster: op
Email:
To: don't he
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
I can still get in touch with Joan Leahy - perhaps I'll ask her what the hell you're talking about. She didn't sound so negative the last time I spoke to her (about 3 years ago)
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Date: Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:57:08 (EDT)
Poster: op
Email:
To: don't he
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
pls forgive if this comes up twice - the first time I posted it, it didn't show up so I'm trying again.

I can still get in touch with Joan Laehy, so might ask her. The last time I spoke with her (about 3 years ago) she didn't sound so negative. Decidedly not practicing, but not negative.
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Date: Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:58:14 (EDT)
Poster: op
Email:
To: don't he
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
pls forgive if this comes up twice - the first time I posted it, it didn't show up so I'm trying again.

I can still get in touch with Joan Laehy, so might ask her. The last time I spoke with her (about 3 years ago) she didn't sound so negative. Decidedly not practicing, but not negative.
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Date: Sun, Jun 15, 1997 at 03:59:59 (EDT)
Poster: op
Email:
To: don't he
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
pls forgive if this comes up twice - the first time I posted it, it didn't show up so I'm trying again.

I can still get in touch with Joan Laehy, so might ask her. The last time I spoke with her (about 3 years ago) she didn't sound so negative. Decidedly not practicing, but not negative.
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Date: Mon, Jun 16, 1997 at 19:53:16 (EDT)
Poster: Brian
Email:
To: op
Subject: Re: Morning smile
Message:
pls forgive if this comes up twice - the first time I posted it, it didn't show up so I'm trying again.

I can still get in touch with Joan Laehy, so might ask her. The last time I spoke with her (about 3 years ago) she didn't sound so negative. Decidedly not practicing, but not negative.
So, what did you find out? Sorry to rush you, but I have this enquiring mind that just won't keep still...

'Sit, Monkey!! Sit!!'
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 05:24:51 (EDT)
Poster: Paul
Email: oily2000@aol.com
To: Everyone
Subject: Crossing a premie
Message:
Hi

I left DLM in 1972, and for some time tried to convince my friends to leave too.

After a while I lost touch with premies, then in 1981 I was studying at a Bible College in the north of England. It was Easter break and I decided to travel south to London, to stay with some friends for a few days.

Not having much money I decided to hitch-hike, after a while a vehicle stopped and was given a lift. The driver wanted to talk about spiritual things so I told him I was a Christian - he asked me if I d ever been anything else - so I told him I used to be a premie - he then wanted to know what I thought about M. So I told him I thought M was a false messiah.

Well that did it - he was very angry - it turned out he was a premie, and he pulled out a big knife, and threatened to kill me unless I denied Jesus. What happened then was - an irrational peace came upon me (I know fear would have been very rational) and it didn t matter to me what he did. Obviously he didn t kill me - he eventually stopped the vehicle and threw me out on the motorway.

I was able to climb down a bank - to a road with a bus route and catch a bus to Leeds - where I stayed with friends for the Easter break.

Has anyone else had similar experiences with premies.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 09:53:55 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Paul
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
Has anyone else had similar experiences with premies.

I was that guy! So this is where you went, huh?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 10:17:56 (EDT)
Poster: Douche
Email:
To: Paul
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
Forgive my curious nature, Paul, but what's with the 'oily2000' email address? Does it have some signficance? It's just that the year 2000 seems to be attracting religious lemmings in ever-increasing numbers. You're not one of those 'end of the world is nighers', are you?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 10:23:47 (EDT)
Poster: Paul
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
Nice to meet you Jim
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 10:30:00 (EDT)
Poster: Paul
Email: oily2000@aol.com
To: Douche
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
No - it's just that "oily" had gone on AOL - [oily was a nick-name at school - being Paul Hoyle] so I thought "oily2000" would be easy to remember. And I'll be 50 in the year 2000.

Nothing else

As far as end of the world .... Who knows - I just wana live today as best as I can - Just in case .... That knife may come again!

Thanks for asking.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 19:38:01 (EDT)
Poster: Brian
Email:
To: Paul
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
Has anyone else had similar experiences with premies.

I was recently called 'insensitive' by a brainless premie when I implied that her Lord's wife wasn't able to be healed by His Lordship. I was almost nervous. Does that count? I was almost VERY nervous at the time, actually... And almost hurt too...
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 20:44:13 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Paul
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
Speaking of cutting and knives, in 1979, Dennis Marciniak made me shave my beard off so I would be more "relatable" to aspirants and "the world." What lack of a beard had to do with it I never knew. But he didn't use a knife to shave me, I did that myself. Nevertheless, I now consider this a personal attack.


One of those Indian Bai bitches threw a glass of carrot juice at the wall when she found out the carrots had not been pealed before they were juiced. When I told her that was where all the vitamins were, she said I was stupid in not knowing that that was also were all the dirt was. I was offended by both the juice-throwing and the comment on my lack of understanding of food sanitation.


In the mid-80s, a couple of premies told me to "get fucked" when I said GMJ was not the perfect master. I wonder if they told GMJ to "get fucked" now that he stopped even claiming to be the perfect master. I was made to feel uncomfortable by these comments.


One time Fakiranad came very close to hitting me with a stick because I caused a picture of the chubby lord of the universe to be placed on a table WITHOUT a cloth underneath it. This upset me.


One time John Hampton smacked me because I fell asleep in an "all-day-and/or-all-night meditation." He told me later I was in my mind and letting bodily needs get in the way of surrendering to Guru Maharaj Ji. He implied that this infraction would be entered on my initiator application. Like you Brian, this made me nervous.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:11:40 (EDT)
Poster: Bill Cooper
Email:
To: JW
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
A premie Paul Bray used to carry a big kitchen knife around with him wherever he went to protect himself. He later OD'd and died in a pub where everyone thought he was dead drunk but he was simply dead.
I used to work in a premie whole food shopcalled Amazing Grain in Leicester UK. I'm not sure it's wise to say all the crazy things that went on while I'm sitting here in Singapore. I've often thought it would make a good alternative sitcom. The baker went to prison for five years, we poisoned the communnity and thats just for starters.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:51:54 (EDT)
Poster: Chris
Email:
To: Brian
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
Has anyone else had similar experiences with premies.

I was recently called 'insensitive' by a brainless premie when I implied that her Lord's wife wasn't able to be healed by His Lordship. I was almost nervous. Does that count? I was almost VERY nervous at the time, actually... And almost hurt too...

You need a big strong girl to slap you around a bit.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 04:45:21 (EDT)
Poster: Paul
Email:
To: Brian
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
Has anyone else had similar experiences with premies.

I was recently called 'insensitive' by a brainless premie when I implied that her Lord's wife wasn't able to be healed by His Lordship. I was almost nervous. Does that count? I was almost VERY nervous at the time, actually... And almost hurt too...
I think so
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 04:50:36 (EDT)
Poster: Paul
Email:
To: Bill Cooper
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
Thanks Bill

A lot of heavy stuff really did go on.

I am glad I was out of by then!
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 07:54:28 (EDT)
Poster: Brian
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
You need a big strong girl to slap you around a bit.

With the courts ruling the way they have been, she doesn't have to be big or strong to slap me around. Just a woman. But then, you were referring to your personal love life, and I'd rather not have to carry around that sort of image in my head just to verify what I've been reading in your posts.

BTW, Chris. Opie did at least post a memorable answer to my now-archived question 'Who Is He'. You wanna take a stab at it? The question refers to MJ. You've been dancing around that yourself in your posts, writing instead about plants and spirituality. The choices were: Lord, Meditation Teacher, Fraud. But since Opie pointed out that there might be other possible combinations, then feel free to elaborate on any that you may see. I await anxiously for your Haiku response.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 01:24:25 (EDT)
Poster: Michael Dresbach
Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net
To: Paul
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
I left DLM in 1977, and one reason was because a premie who was trying to prove his devotion told me "if Maharaji told me to slit your throat I'd do it right now!" I answered, "if he told me to slit your throat I'd tell him to get fucked because it would prove that he wasn't Perfect Master." Maharaji didn't worry me half as much as his "Fan Club."
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 06:48:18 (EDT)
Poster: Brian
Email:
To: Michael Dresbach
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
I left DLM in 1977, and one reason was because a premie who was trying to prove his devotion told me 'if Maharaji told me to slit your throat I'd do it right now!' I answered, 'if he told me to slit your throat I'd tell him to get fucked because it would prove that he wasn't Perfect Master.' Maharaji didn't worry me half as much as his 'Fan Club.'
The independent thought that you were expressing was, and still is, discouraged by those surrounding MJ. That other premie may have moved 'up' in the organization over time. Surrender and devotion are highly prized and rewarded by His Lordship, with those demonstrating blindness being allowed more access to the 'Light'.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 06:53:38 (EDT)
Poster: Brian - revised
Email:
To: Brian
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
The independent thought that you were expressing was, and still is, discouraged by those surrounding MJ.

I meant to say 'discouraged in those surrounding MJ'. I shouldn't post before the coffee kicks in...
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 07:30:18 (EDT)
Poster: Paul
Email:
To: Brian
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
But this just demonstrates that the 'Light' is only darkness.

It's darkness that M gives us - not the true light.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 11:00:47 (EDT)
Poster: Michael
Email:
To: Brian
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
I left DLM in 1977, and one reason was because a premie who was trying to prove his devotion told me 'if Maharaji told me to slit your throat I'd do it right now!' I answered, 'if he told me to slit your throat I'd tell him to get fucked because it would prove that he wasn't Perfect Master.' Maharaji didn't worry me half as much as his 'Fan Club.'
The independent thought that you were expressing was, and still is, discouraged by those surrounding MJ. That other premie may have moved 'up' in the organization over time. Surrender and devotion are highly prized and rewarded by His Lordship, with those demonstrating blindness being allowed more access to the 'Light'.
You are so right; independent thought was discouraged, as was any questioning of what passed for theology. I had too much trouble "toeing the party line" and the lack of critical thinking of the premies really upset me. I was with the DLM for five years but felt inadequate because I was unable to fully surrender; I now realize that this unwillingness to "lose my mind" was my salvation! I must admit, I was never comfortable with the term "in your mind" because it was anti-intellectual and reminded me of the term "back-slider" in the fundamentalists churches when I was a child. There was so little light but a lot of blindness.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 12:42:56 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Paul
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
But this just demonstrates that the 'Light' is only darkness.

It's darkness that M gives us - not the true light.
Paul, no one's giving out 'true light'. There's no such thing. There's no tinkerbell -- did you know she was just a creation of Walt Disney, a pioneer animator, in the 1950s? -- and there's no Jesus either. There IS a Guru Maharaj Ji but there's no Perfect Master.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 23:04:39 (EDT)
Poster: tom
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
I wonder if paul will engage on that issue.
that could be wild.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 00:49:50 (EDT)
Poster: DANGER
Email: DANGER@MADMAN.NET.COM
To: Bill Cooper
Subject: Re: Crossing a premie
Message:
A premie Paul Bray used to carry a big kitchen knife around with him wherever he went to protect himself. He later OD'd and died in a pub where everyone thought he was dead drunk but he was simply dead.
I used to work in a premie whole food shopcalled Amazing Grain in Leicester UK. I'm not sure it's wise to say all the crazy things that went on while I'm sitting here in Singapore. I've often thought it would make a good alternative sitcom. The baker went to prison for five years, we poisoned the communnity and thats just for starters.
PREMIES ARE DANGEROUS AND DESPERATE AND HAVE A FAKE MASTER!
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 00:15:47 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Everyone
Subject: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
That movie made in the early 80s,"Ticket to Heaven" is being run on the Bravo cable channel this week. I just watched it again. I remember seeing it when it first came out right after I left the Guru Maharaj Ji cult. Although it appears to be based more on the Moonies than on premies, there are still many similarities. For example, you see the way the main character fights not to listen to "doubt" and not to let doubt enter his mind, just like Guru Maharaj Ji taught; you see the rejection of parents and families, like Maharaj Ji also taught; and you hear how the leader of the cult, called "father," lives in fabulous wealth while the followers take vows of poverty and celibacy, just like Guru Maharaj Ji, and you also see the way that wealth is rationalized by the cult members.


The cult members also live in a big house, which looks just like the typical DLM ashram and you see the cult members pranaming to a picture of the cult-leader and his wife and singing a song, that sounds suspiciously like arti, to the picture every the morning in the "satsang hall." Sound familiar?


The film is definitely worth seeing again, and I had a different reaction to it years later than I did when I first saw it. Again, for those of you with cable, it's on the Bravo channel. By the way, the film also has some great shots of Everyones' Favorite City, and the home of many devotional and new-age cults: San Francisco.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 04:37:03 (EDT)
Poster: Bill Cooper
Email:
To: JW
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
Dont you think DLM and big M would make a great movie especially if it was shot from Maharajis point of view as yet another victim. What title would you give it * Gone with the Wind* *The Master of deciept * The Master baiter *.....suggestions
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 05:43:31 (EDT)
Poster: Paul
Email: oily2000@aol.com
To: JW
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
Yes

I saw it a few years ago - it was on in the middle of the night here in England - so I set the video - it started late - so I didn't get the end.

As I've been another cult too (Children of GOD) it reminded me more of them than DLM - although I could see a lot of DLM in it.

I would like to see it again - I think I would get more out of it now.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 13:11:26 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Bill Cooper
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
I think Maharaj Ji has already been doing some "filming." In 1990,I went to what was billed as an "Introductory Program" at a big hotel in San Francisco. The program started out with a video of clouds, obviously shot from the window of an airplane or jet. In the backgroud of these shots of clouds and sky, Guru Maharaj Ji mumbled some words that I could not understand. This went on for about 15 or 20 minutes. Although I was used to listening to his fractured English and dangling participles, I never could figure out what he was saying. But the premies hung on every "word" and looked goo-goo eyed nonetheless.


Maharaj Ji gave "satsang" in which he talked about roller-coaster and amusement park rides that he was afraid to ride on them. When he started talking about how stupid and lost the "people of the world" are, I got up and walked out because I found it offensive. Given his track record of screwing up peoples' lives all the way to the bank, I didn't think he was in any position to make judgments about anyone else.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 13:32:16 (EDT)
Poster: Deena and Info-Cult
Email:
To: JW
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
Yes, Ticket to Heaven did have very real comparisons but the video footage of the Heaven's Gate really reminded me of ashram life. And they lived in the same crowded rooms while Applewhite lived in luxury separate from them.
I could really relate to the deprogramming of the Moonie, especially his pain as they revealed the TRUTH to him. Jim posted a while back how he ran into a current member of the Moonies. He was 50ish and all smiley faced. When Jim confronted him with the question of what he would do if he found out it was all a fraud, he was speechless.

Jw.....my son and I had a debate when we watched Ticket to Heaven a few months back. At the end, when the deprogrammed moonie is hugging his family outside and the cult members drive up, they end the movie with a close up of his eyes, and that same look is in them as if he had faked the deprogramming process. To me it looked as if he was looking at his former cult members with the intention of going back. What do you think?

There is a video available through Info-Cult in Montreal that is called 'Beyond The Mirage a documentory video on the cult phenonmenon' It is 22 min. and can be rented for about $40 Canadian. It deals with what draws people to cults, what leads some to question their involvement, and two ex-members (of what cult, I don't know) tell their stories. I haven't gotten 'round to renting it yet because my phone and exit counselling bills are my priority right now. It costs $110 to buy so renting it makes more sense.

While I am on the topic, there is a group in Montreal (it kills me that the most active anti-cult organization in Canada is in the city the most active and the centre of Maharaji's work in Canada, as well as the place he has the most events and up untill recently went for his flight exams twice a year)...where was I? Oh yeah, this group publish a quarterly newsletter that I got my first copy of the other day. In it were some web sites related to cult stuff. I'll list them here for anyone interested. I haven't gotten a chance yet to check them out.

hhtp://members.aol.com/carol2180/

http:/www.users.fast.net~szimhart

http://www.csj.org

http://www.ex-cult.org

Also an e-zine called Thought Reform Consultant News- E-mail address is:
freemind@pond.com You have to put 'add TRCN' in the subject line.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:05:19 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Deena and Info-Cult
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
Regarding Ticket to Heaven, the guy wasn't called a "moonie" and I think the script was based on a conglomeration of DLM, Moonies and other cults. I thought it was interesting that the cult leader was Indonesian -- about halfway between Korea and India, right?

Anyway, at the end, I think he smiled and looked at the cult members when they drove up, because he realized they didn't have any hold on him anymore, and couldn't intimidate him back into the cult after he was deprogrammed. At least that's the way I interpreted it.

I have a lot of trouble with deprogramming, because I'm a fervent civil libertarian, and even if it might be justified from some perspectives, it is still an infringement on someone's personal rights. It can also be done badly. I knew a couple of people personally who were deprogrammed from DLM by professionals hired by their parents. In both cases, it "worked" and they were gone from the DLM cult forever. I had a little contact with one of them after that, but he seemed wary of me (and I of him) so the connection was over.


But if the deprogramming fails, it often drives the individual even deeper into the cult and makes them more vulnerable to the cult. I've seen that happen too. I recall one ashram sister who had been kidnapped but escaped and was afraid when anyone left a door open and seemed to be always looking over her shoulder. She then saw the cult as not only her salvation, but her physical protector as well. Also, it really "burned her bridges" such that she had nowhere to go outside the cult because she totally severed her relationship with her parents after the kidnapping incident. I guess it depends partly on the motivation of the parents too.


I was involved with an ex-cult-members group for awhile in 1983 and the majority of the participants had been deprogrammed. Some were involved in doing deprogrammings themselves. There were three ex-premies in the group, none of whom had been deprogrammed. I was somewhat critical of their involvemen because it seemed like deprogramming was becoming a new cult for some of them. I guess I feel like people should be given the opportunity to walk away themselves, like I did. But then maybe I would have gotten out sooner.


By the way, there were several ex-moonies in the group and I was astounded at how similar their cult experiences, down to some of the minor details, were to my own. This was confronting to me, because I had held on to the belief that the Maharaj Ji cult wasn't as weird as the moonies. Maharaj Ji's cult was much the same as the moonies, it was just less well-organized and was completely apolitical, when Moon had a true right-wing political agenda. I think GMJ was too ignorant to have any political opinions. The ones he did have were pretty stupid. I remember Randy Prouty told me once that Maharaj Ji said the allies should have invaded Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union at the end of WWII and that it was stupid for them not to have done that. Randy related this with the reverence one reservse for having heard from god what really should have happened. Aside from the fact that history proved him wrong, the millions upon millions of casualties that would have resulted would have been difficult to take. It's a good thing GMJ was just a cult-leader and not some kind of political leader, or he would have messed up even more people than he did.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:19:51 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: JW
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
JW, normally I agree with you. But I can't go along with your dismissal of Maharaji's political savy. Even now I find it astounding.... well, remarkable, that one so young could see so much. Here's what he once said about 'nam:

'I can show you the cause of these problems and the way to dissolve them.. America was fighting in Vietnam, and Vietnam, you know, it's so far away [who else ever put it so succinctly?]. Why destroy Vietnam? Vietnam was not eating America, but America wanted to finish it. Just abolish it, finish it right off. This is the result of our ego. This is our mind. It is mind that makes us do all these things. [okay, that's impressive enough. But see how he ties this analysis in with his commentary on the second world war]. Hitler wanted to conquer the world. Why conquer the world? Mind.'

So, JW, you should give credit where it's due. I read shit like this and sometimes wonder -- maybe he still was the Lord in the early 70s.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 17:10:14 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
Yes Jim, that was a DEEP and astute analysis about geopolitical issues. God, if the world had only known that Hitler was "in his mind," think of the millions that would have been saved by pointing that out to him? Where is the messiah when you need him? A little satsang, service and meditation and, well, you know, Hitler would be out on the street selling And It Is Divine, even in Jewish neighborhoods.


And that analysis of the Vietnam War. I am just astounded. Why were we wasting out time in the streets protesting when Maharaj Ji was there will the answer all the time? Oh, it was MIND. It's so clear now! Thank you Jim, for clearing up those events in the history of the world so completely by quoting those divine words.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 21:05:52 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Paul
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
I'm sure the film is available on video. So you can probably get it from a video store if you want. The Bravo channel put in on in the states because of the recent stories about the Applewhite/Hale Bopp cult. I saw it when it first came out in about 1982 or 1983, but I got more out of it seeing it this time.


Can you compare DLM and the Children of God? Are there similarities?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:27:25 (EDT)
Poster: Chris
Email:
To: JW
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
The root of hatred and mistrust of other human beings is actually very simple.

Of course you can always cover it up with complex political, social and economic explanations.
That is the real BS but that is what people eat up every day.

The thing that all human beings have in common is very simple.
Its importance is overlooked in favor of compexity.
The true human quality is not the things emphasized by education or ambitious people.

CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:04:17 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
The root of hatred and mistrust of other human beings is actually very simple.

Of course you can always cover it up with complex political, social and economic explanations.
That is the real BS but that is what people eat up every day.

The thing that all human beings have in common is very simple.
Its importance is overlooked in favor of compexity.
The true human quality is not the things emphasized by education or ambitious people.

CD

Hey, Yoda! Someone lost the last reel. I didn't get the end of your teaching. What's the punchline? Or, if I remember the transitive principle, am I to assume that because:

The root of hatred and mistrust of other human beings is actually very simple.

and

The thing that all human beings have in common is very simple.

that:

The root of hatred and mistrust of other human beings is actually the thing that all human beings have in common?

Is that it? Come on, Chris! Help me understand.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:21:05 (EDT)
Poster: Chris
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
Your problem is that you abuse the transitive principle and statistical correlation.
You are a very clever fool.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:27:32 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
Your problem is that you abuse the transitive principle and statistical correlation.
You are a very clever fool.

Well at least you didn't lay any quantum physics on me.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 05:18:40 (EDT)
Poster: Paul
Email: oily2000@aol.com
To: JW
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
I'm sure the film is available on video. So you can probably get it from a video store if you want. The Bravo channel put in on in the states because of the recent stories about the Applewhite/Hale Bopp cult. I saw it when it first came out in about 1982 or 1983, but I got more out of it seeing it this time.


Can you compare DLM and the Children of God? Are there similarities?
Yes there are a lot of comparisons.

Like DLM GOG was run by a strong leader - very distant from most of the followers - only the special people beig allowed near to him.

M and 'Mosses David' were manipulators of the highest order. I never met 'Mosses David' [David Berg] so beyond that I can't go very far. In COG we were given 'Mo Letters' very often - read to us at breakfast - to keep us fired up. 'Mo Letters' were seen as Gods word to us.

With both the desire was to build a kingdom for the leader - each wanting power and wealth.

I never lived in an ashram - but I did live in a COG colony - and it was very hard when I left [even very hard to get out - never being alone in case the devil snatches you - I'll tell you that story sometime] - false guilt almost took be back a number of times.

Hope that helps a bit - please see also my new string on 'M the manipulator'
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 08:12:40 (EDT)
Poster: Brian
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
The thing that all human beings have in common is very simple. Its importance is overlooked in favor of compexity.

Your problem is that you abuse the transitive principle and statistical correlation. You are a very clever fool.

This being an example, right? Of people muddying the water via 'complexity'? Or clever foolishness, maybe? Language can be so ambiguous. Thought requires such clarity. I keep getting error messages when I compile your posts, Chris. Help me with this. What simple header files am I missing that you have access to? Allow me to #include them.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 04:32:36 (EDT)
Poster: Bill Cooper
Email:
To: Paul
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
Good to hear about your involvement in COG. I think there is something in our mental makeup that makes us suckers for M and the like. Just because you leave on doesn't make you immune to the next. I find I get wisdom with hindsight but that never really helps with the present.

There was a premie in Leicester whose name I cant recall at the moment but he was a car salesman and he would regail us with stories of puttting one over on people and never give a sucker an even break sort of thing. It was funny because these weren't premies and they were attached to cars as material objects , so they were fair game, or so we thought then.Its interesting to think that even con men get conned.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 07:42:36 (EDT)
Poster: Paul
Email:
To: Bill Cooper
Subject: Re: Ticket To Heaven
Message:
Yes Bill

Some of us are suckers for it - but I do believe that we can work through these issues inside ourselves - I have found it painful - but it's like running in a race - we have to go through the pain barrier - it is worth it - I'm a lot more careful now.

Often I find I have to forgive the first person that did it to me - then I come free.

Then I see these people coming.

Paul
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Date: Sun, Jun 8, 1997 at 22:32:59 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Everyone
Subject: Miracle Technology
Message:
Maharaji's dad wrote a book wherein he explained how one can only be enlightened by a living guru:

'This quickening impulse cannot be derived from books. The soul can only receive impulses from another soul, and from nothing else. We may study books all our lives, we may become very intellectual, but in the end we find that we have not developed at all spiritually. It is not true that a high order of intellectual development always goes hand in hand with a proportionate development of the spiritual side in man. In studying books we are sometimes deluded into thinking that thereby we are being spiritually helped; but if we analyse the effect of the study of books on ourselves, we shall find that at the utmost it is only our intellect that derives profit from such studies. This inadequacy of books to quicken spiritual growth is the reason why, although almost every one of us can speak most wonderfully on spiritual matters, when it comes to action and the living of a truly spiritual life, we find ourselves so awfully deficient.

To quicken the spirit, the impulse must come from another soul. The person from whose soul such an impulse comes is called the Guru - the teacher; and the person to whose soul the impulse is conveyed is called the Shishya - the student. To convey such an impulse to any soul, in the first place, the soul from which it proceeds must possess the power of transmitting it, as it were, to another; and in the second place, the soul must be fit to receive it.'

Wonder if he would have agreed with junior that the 'quickening impulse' could be conveyed by video? How close to the video would you have to sit? Would Maharaji have to be there too? How close to the video would HE have to sit? What if he left the room, like the time OP told us about? What about surround sound? What if the VCR breaks in mid-session?

So it gets pretty quiet here when there aren't any apologists to fight, doesn't it? Maybe I'll get all the addresses from Harlan's page and email them again to get something going. Or, maybe not. I guess one of these days things are just going to quiet down for good, in a sense. We'll go back to living, just plain living. Maharaji will continue milking his happy herd. Some stragglers might break away. New premies will take their place. Shit, I hope that's not the end of it.

I mean, as if it's any surprise, I'd REALLY like to see this guy confronted. Further, I'd REALLY like to hear more 'true life' stories about the guy I worshipped as God. Like, what if he did father Claudia's kid? Wouldn't it be neat to know?
I'm all for having a reasoned, 'respectful' talk with Maharaji, BUT, if the drawbridge is up, and it looks like it's staying that way, I'm also into throwing tomatoes over the castle wall. Sharing nasty facts about him is like that.

Who knows? Maybe the New Yorker article will juice things up a bit. Then again, maybe not. What else night work? Wouldn't it be cool if Maharaji sued us for defamation? He'd have to go to court and that could be kind of neat. Hey, I know...... I wonder if we could ever track down anything from the case in India where the two brothers slagged each other over the Lord of the Universe title. Hmm.
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Date: Sun, Jun 8, 1997 at 22:57:09 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Miracle Technology
Message:
Sorry, I just had to test this. If I want to something or , does this do the trick?

Or is it and ?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 03:34:50 (EDT)
Poster: Douche
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Miracle Technology
Message:
Hey, I know...... I wonder if we could ever track down anything from the case in India where the two brothers slagged each other over the Lord of the Universe title. Hmm.

Now that would be neat. How I'd love to see the transcript of that little case!
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 03:41:00 (EDT)
Poster: Douche
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Miracle Technology
Message:
Far be it from me to teach granny etc., but the best place for tests is at the last post... but it's fun isn't it? Can you do the really big writing? I haven't mastered that one yet. Oh life's so much more fun now we have the internet to play with. Zzzzzzzzzzz

P.S. Did you see Doodah's picture of Mili in a Krishna crown before Scott pulled it? I'm quite miffed (English for pissed off) that I missed it. We'll have to do something about Scott and his censorious tendencies!
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 09:21:59 (EDT)
Poster: Scott
Email:
To: Douche
Subject: Re: Miracle Technology
Message:
Dear Douche,
- OK, you win Douche. 'Second party' censorship is for the birds. Since the last (and final) time I donned the hat of 'censor', a minor miracle has taken place. I have come to the inner realization that for any one person on the internet amongst our little band, to censor a 2nd is quite simply moronic behavior. Sorry I didn't save the picture of mili in the Krishna crown. I'd re-post it if I could. As I said earlier, that, and the one post I yanked last week are the only two times I have ever done this. You have my word that they will be the last times. (Especially considering the fact that once this discussion moves over to Usenet, the whole issue of censorship becomes moot.)

- Scott
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:13:40 (EDT)
Poster: tom
Email:
To: Scott
Subject: Re: Miracle Technology
Message:
Scotto,
I dont know,
maybe its good that you have your own standards and have the feeling that its not only your perogative but
your job to have this site fit your vision.
You removed my comedy (wicked as it was) and I am
ok. Instead of a blanket no censorship rule, you can get
a second or third opinion and still wield your god like
power. Dont feel guilty, make us quake and tremor
with the threat of excommunication.
Face it ,power makes you happy and we want you to be happy.
Have fun with the red button.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:19:18 (EDT)
Poster: Tom
Email:
To: red button god
Subject: Re: Miracle Technology
Message:
I've got it, why dont you censore and the person
censored can offer to e-mail it to whomever wants
to see the over the top item?
That way we have standards and freedom of info
combined.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:33:31 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Tom
Subject: Re: Miracle Technology
Message:
Tom, what's going on? I'm beginning to think I understand your posts. Is this just me... honestly, I haven't slept much recently. But is anyone else out there experiencing this?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:08:24 (EDT)
Poster: Bill Cooper
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Miracle Technology
Message:
No.
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