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LIGHT READING -:- STRAWBERRYS -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:10:51 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:14:51 (EDT) ___Mummy -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:44:09 (EDT) ___Bill Cooper -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 05:41:15 (EDT) ___me -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 08:52:12 (EDT) ___your only chance! -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:22:49 (EDT) ___freeatlast -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:24:56 (EDT) ___mummy -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 23:11:56 (EDT) ___CHANCE -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 19:45:35 (EDT) Deena -:- Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 13:51:29 (EDT) ___Deena -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 14:10:01 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:09:26 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:12:25 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:31:55 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 17:22:50 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:35:39 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:36:12 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:39:09 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:44:49 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:51:22 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:07:57 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:32:04 (EDT) ___op -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 01:41:17 (EDT) ___Brian -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 07:36:24 (EDT) ___tom -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 09:24:24 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 11:28:04 (EDT) ___Deena...quack... -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 16:36:02 (EDT) ___an admirer -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:04:24 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:31:18 (EDT) ___DR. LIGHT -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 21:49:22 (EDT) ___Chris -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 23:07:15 (EDT) ___Brian -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 07:02:04 (EDT) ___DR.LIGHT -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 11:58:56 (EDT) ___goddess anon-da -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 12:26:35 (EDT) ___Deena about anger -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 13:03:38 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 13:16:19 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 16:23:49 (EDT) ___Fly Ondawall -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 20:11:55 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 20:54:52 (EDT) ___tom -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 22:47:08 (EDT) ___coleta -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 01:00:33 (EDT) ___SUSYBI -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 01:13:52 (EDT) ___Brian -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 05:25:32 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 12:49:03 (EDT) ___op -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 19:29:08 (EDT) ___Brian -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 20:20:14 (EDT) ___inthaknow -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 20:52:48 (EDT) ___BETWEENTHAKNEEES -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:14:34 (EDT) ___A REAL PREMIE -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:26:28 (EDT) ___YoYo -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:36:10 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:44:36 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:50:36 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:55:20 (EDT) ___ASTIN MARTIN -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 23:34:35 (EDT) ___op -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 01:36:53 (EDT) ___op -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 01:43:21 (EDT) ___Brian -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 09:48:27 (EDT) ___Deena to op -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 11:28:29 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 12:27:51 (EDT) ___JW -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 12:56:43 (EDT) ___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 13:13:57 (EDT) ___PORN MOVIE -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 14:17:19 (EDT) ___GMJ ON TV !!!!! -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 14:30:31 (EDT) ___subaroo -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 20:38:04 (EDT) ___Bill Cooper -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 21:25:53 (EDT) ___Exactly JW ....Deena -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Sat, Jun 14, 1997 at 09:30:24 (EDT) |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:10:51 (EDT)
Poster: LIGHT READING Email: LIGHT READING@AOL.COM To: Everyone Subject: STRAWBERRYS Message: So he may not want you anymore but we want you and we love you and care about you.WE WANT YOU BACK WITH US ,we are not strangers were your brothers and sisters,we loved together ,cried together,believed together.We will actually talk to you,respond to you ,be real with you.Go and try and talk to M,go ahead hell have you arrested if you pull up to the wholly gates Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:14:51 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: LIGHT READING Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS Message: mummy? is that you? mum? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:44:09 (EDT)
Poster: Mummy Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS Message: mummy? is that you? mum? Your hands will be full with the souls you attract. Satisfy them one and all The wit and charm of Heller is to be put to a great test. Courage, character, cunning transformed to charm and conquest. Douche, JW,Brian and Bill wait at your side for the signal. You have the secret weapons. You have the special pudding. Deena will weep at your magnificient feats. Go forth son. On to a glorious victory! Your destiny awaits! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 05:41:15 (EDT)
Poster: Bill Cooper Email: To: Mummy Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS Message: Whatever your taking give it a rest its not doing you any good. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 08:52:12 (EDT)
Poster: me Email: To: LIGHT READING Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS Message: we? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:22:49 (EDT)
Poster: your only chance! Email: freeatlast@aol.com To: Mummy Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS Message: you are going to need your poor ole mommy when the rugu get finished sucking the life out of you.try and call him to tell him how much you lov him ,go ahead,try and go see him, better have a bundle of money in your hands,or off you go to jail.WE we! have been there,done that! go learn you emty lesson from your RUGU! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:24:56 (EDT)
Poster: freeatlast Email: To: Bill Cooper Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS Message: all that one on one with M is drivin um crazy! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 23:11:56 (EDT)
Poster: mummy Email: To: your only chance! Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS Message: You are being naughty. Darkness is not the place for you to dwell. You have not learned from your lessons. You must put due attention to the matter while you can. Take that rag out of your mouth now. Pleasant dreams. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 19:45:35 (EDT)
Poster: CHANCE Email: To: mummy Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS Message: You are being naughty. Darkness is not the place for you to dwell. You have not learned from your lessons. You must put due attention to the matter while you can. Take that rag out of your mouth now. Pleasant dreams. NOW THAT I
THINK OF IT ,YOU'RE IN THE PERFECT PLACE,YOU'LL GET EXACTLY WHAT
YOU DESERVE.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 13:51:29 (EDT)
Poster: Deena Email: To: Everyone Subject: Thank you Maharaji Message: No Jim, relax. You can call me (which reminds me, I'm still waiting to talk to you JW, didn't you say you'd call sometime?) to see how I am because I do miss taliking to you, but I haven't been sucked back into M's vortex. It's just that today I was doing my running around in the car and I found myself thinking how free I feel without the whole thing of believing in God and believing I need a master to have that relationship. I found myself saying--'Thank you Maharaji'. So many times in a day I use to find myself saying that and lately it has been more of a mantra of 'Fuck you Maharaji". But I realized that if it wasn't for spending all that time in my life devoted to loving God through what I felt was my Lord, than I wouldn't have come to this point of seeing how it makes no difference for me. I feel great without a relationship with a higher power. I feel more alive and I feel a freedom I never felt before. Amazing. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 14:10:01 (EDT)
Poster: Deena Email: To: All Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: What would be relly cool is to be in a question and answer session with M and thank him in person. I'd love to see his face go from a smile at the word thankyou to being pissed off when he realized that his fake beard didn't fool me... I love how he gave instruction that this site doen't
reflect well on him so the premies have bowed out(my quess)...he
is so powerful, now if he could only overpower us. I've heard
thunder & lightening storms are just the beginning of the power
of his wrath!
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:09:26 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Deena Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: What would be relly cool is to be in a question and answer session with M and thank him in person. I'd love to see his face go from a smile at the word thankyou to being pissed off when he realized that his fake beard didn't fool me... I love how he gave instruction that
this site doen't reflect well on him so the premies have bowed
out(my quess)...he is so powerful, now if he could only overpower
us. I've heard thunder & lightening storms are just the beginning
of the power of his wrath! Don't you think that Maharaji has
run into all kinds of people, questions and reactions over the
many years and many places he has been? The feelings of
freedom that you feel sound positive. I would not dwell on how to piss M off or trick
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:12:25 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Deena Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Deena, have you heard from anyone that GMJ has commented on this page in any way? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:31:55 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Chris, your advice to Deena, far from being new age drivel, is invaluable and I hope it resonates with her. If not, I hope your truth comes home to you so it is not left wasting away somewhere out there. You have experienced a lot of growth in your time and now are wise. Be with your peace. You are much like many born under your sign but unlike others. This, too, can change but, even if it does not, you are in growth. The only thing negative is negativity itself which, if you think about it, is just a thought. Only you can make it real with fear. Fear on the other hand cannot touch you if you are in attunement. Really, Chirs, it's THAT easy. Yes, you are right, imagination is powerful. Even to hear you state the truth so strongly inspires me. I read that and it made me get up from my computer and walk around my office waving my hands and making duck noises. I have stopped but the duck noises are still in my head. Have you ever had that experience? You're also right to poo-poo Deena's thought that Maharaji cards one iota what any premie thinks about him. His detachment could not be more refined. Deena is young. Finally, thank you for your profound analysis of Deena's 'feelings of freedom.' Yes, they do sound positive. On the other hand, they may be negative. I would ask Deena to ask her heart for some answer if, indeed, she shares your question. If she does not (she is young) I would ask that you check with YOUR heart. Regards, Jim
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 17:22:50 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Chris, your advice to Deena, far from being new age drivel, is invaluable and I hope it resonates with her. If not, I hope your truth comes home to you so it is not left wasting away somewhere out there. You have experienced a lot of growth in your time and now are wise. Be with your peace. You are much like many born under your sign but unlike others. This, too, can change but, even if it does not, you are in growth. The only thing negative is negativity itself which, if you think about it, is just a thought. Only you can make it real with fear. Fear on the other hand cannot touch you if you are in attunement. Really, Chirs, it's THAT easy. Yes, you are right, imagination is powerful. Even to hear you state the truth so strongly inspires me. I read that and it made me get up from my computer and walk around my office waving my hands and making duck noises. I have stopped but the duck noises are still in my head. Have you ever had that experience? You're also right to poo-poo Deena's thought that Maharaji cards one iota what any premie thinks about him. His detachment could not be more refined. Deena is young. Finally, thank you for your profound analysis of Deena's 'feelings of freedom.' Yes, they do sound positive. On the other hand, they may be negative. I would ask Deena to ask her heart for some answer if, indeed, she shares your question. If she does not (she is young) I would ask that you check with YOUR heart. Regards, Jim
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:35:39 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: The only time I had a similar experience was during the 'Disco Duck' craze. It could be the start of a musical comeback for you. I did not say that
Maharaji does not care what premies think of him. CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:36:12 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: The only time I had a similar experience was during the 'Disco Duck' craze. It could be the start of a musical comeback for you. I did not say that
Maharaji does not care what premies think of him. CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:39:09 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Scott Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: The duplicate posting of my message occured because an internal server error was encountered during the first posting. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:44:49 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: The duplicate posting of my message occured because an internal server error was encountered during the first posting. And I thought it was emphasis. See how stupid it is to assume things? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:51:22 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Being that we're all experts here, may I comment on your comment? Could it be Chris that when you wrote: 'Why should he care? what really happened is that you asked the question, paused a moment and realized how callous your own obvious point about Maharaji is and then, in true apologist style, tried to cover with this very stiff bullshit -- 'he may well have an interest in that persons well being.' Chris, you sound like you're talking about a
loans officer. This was supposedly our LORD, Chris, our soul
made flesh, in human form, come to guide us home eternally,
eternally. Blah, blah, blah. Come on, Chris, YOU'VE read the
Celestine Prophecies. You know what I'm talking about!
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:07:57 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: I'm not callous, trying to apoligize or trying to bullshit. What I realized is that
you didn't get what I was trying to express. I am not
blaming you. It also turns out that ambiguity is at the heart of language.
Come to think of it, people take a lot for granted. Yeah, I did read the Celestine Prophecies.
Take care, |
Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:32:04 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: I'm not callous, trying to apoligize or trying to bullshit. What I
realized is that you didn't get what I was trying to express.
I am not blaming you. It also turns out that
ambiguity is at the heart of language. Come to think of it, people take a lot for granted. Yeah, I did read the Celestine Prophecies. Take care, When I see these first baby steps towards rational discourse, like any proud father, my heart goes a flutter. Come here, Chris! Come here, boy!! That's a good boy! Look here, mother, look what Chris did. He walked all the way over from the table! Okay, should I take the above (yours, not mine) to mean that you are actually trying, really trying , to talk fairly about Maharaji? yes or no ?
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 01:41:17 (EDT)
Poster: op Email: To: Deena Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: I stopped posting because: a) too much other stuff to do - I have a life AND service AND I have to make a living too b) it gets pretty boring running around in circles all the time M hasn't mentioned this site
specifically, but you'd be surprised how tolerant he is of all
the shit you throw at him.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 07:36:24 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: op Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: I stopped posting because: a) too much other stuff to do - I have a life AND service AND I have to make a living too b) it gets pretty boring running around in circles all the time M hasn't mentioned this site specifically, but you'd be surprised how tolerant he is of all the shit you throw at him. One of the saddest parts about having broken free from the obligation of service, is that I now have time to post here if I choose. I can also read a book, or watch TV, or do any other thing that I choose to do with my life at the time, without having to struggle with whether I should actually be fulfilling some 'higher' obligation of volunteering to be an unpaid servant to someone who has 'given' me the opportunity to serve him. I miss that, of course. But, I recognize the amount of self-sacrifice required for you to have posted this, and am truly grateful. I deeply miss your omniscient insights into the workings of the mind of The Master. I can only take comfort in knowing that you look in regularly on us to keep up to date on what is happening in this little corner of creation. You probably feel that you're running around in circles all the time. It's like we have this inner connection to you. I am so surprised at just how tolerant you can be of the shit thrown at you, that sometimes I just want to weep... Sorry
(there I go apologizing again). I got you and M confused again. I
do that. But then, you do that too. Keep sneaking those peeks.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 09:24:24 (EDT)
Poster: tom Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: actually, when I was reading this I thought it was written by JW cause of the cool humor. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 11:28:04 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: op Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: I stopped posting because: a) too much other stuff to do - I have a life AND service AND I have to make a living too b) it gets pretty boring running around in circles all the time M hasn't
mentioned this site specifically, but you'd be surprised how
tolerant he is of all the shit you throw at him.
You stopped posting becuase you have no integrity. You ran up against some obstacles in your argument and slowly, muttering sweet, bhole shris under your breath, tried to turn around with a smile on your face and split fast, hoping no one noticed. Call me unfair, but I say you're just show, dear friend. If you're an example of Maharaji's scrupulous devotee, the whole trip's bogus. No wonder you offered such solace to Mili et al. You're no better. As for Maharaji's tolerance, what were you imagining? That he would lift us all into the sky and turn us blue or something? My oh my. Go do
some other service. You've failed miserably here. When others
trace your arguments over time on the archives they'll see the
start of a promising dialogue deteriorate into shameless
obfuscation. It doesn't matter what you or I think of it even at
this point. Your performance speaks for itself.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 16:36:02 (EDT)
Poster: Deena...quack... Email: To: All who make me laugh Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Quack,quack,quack... oh happy, happy, joy, jpy...as Stimpy would say. I logged on and began laughing within minutes of reading replies to my Thank-you post! It's like a good Seinfield episode. Chris's timely advise may very well have increased the shitload I have to throw...thanks op for the compliment. It does my so-called heart good to know that I have been throwing shit at Maharaji all this time. And here I thought I was just being sincere, go figure. JW, my buddy. Brian, what you said was right on. Jim, I miss you. I was laughing so hard and long reading this thread I had to comment to my husband that visiting my friends is great 'cause I can be sure to get a good laugh. He probably wishes he could enjoy that too since he has not been meditating as regularly or going to videos either....do you think living with someone who is truly free is inspiring him to leave his cage too? I won't hold my breath but you never know do you. He is too good for M. I use to tell him how good he would be for M but he is too damn good for the likes of him. Mind you if I was a millionaire I'd finance my husbands trips and his offers of service so he could find out first hand that he is a drunken fraud. Sorry op and Chris, but if it isn't true than think of how much fun you'll have rubbing my face in it. I wish I could dare you to rise up to the intimate positions that would reveal today( in your mature years of jugement) what he is really about. The first hand experience worth having, that Mishler and the friends of ex-premies on this site have had. It's time someone new stepped forward and spilt the beans, don't you agree. Take up the challenge. Set out to confirm the accusation that he is a drunk and the truth, whatever that is, will be revealed. But be warned that alcoholics are sometimes on what is called a dry drunk when not drinking and if you attend Alanon or AA meetings you can get a pretty good profile of what to watch for. Also, given that he must be extremely secretive you will have to be very patient and gain his trust, all the while interviewing those who are close who leave. But maybe knowing that the one you've prayed to is a drunk is
too overwhelming. I know it was for me. In time the truth shall
set you free. I'm glad that I had already made my exit before
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:04:24 (EDT)
Poster: an admirer Email: To: Deena Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: youve found the way is to love yourself,be yourself,make your own choices. good for you deena,i a fellow wholly fool salutyou.in fact i dont think the little fat, spoiled brat,deserves our attention.good for you, your free of the vampires spell.premies,lets here your personal storys of all the eye to eye conversations youve had with gmj?he will allow you to ,pay to hear him speak,and see him ,the circus freak he is. go to his door ,go ahead ,he'll have you arrested,at the gates,that you paid for!you poor pathetic fools. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:31:18 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: an admirer Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Yes, you're absolutely right. I sat outside his gates one morning after an all-nighter back in my L.A. club days. I'd taken a friend up on a lark while we were driving around. 'Hey, you want to see something?' Next thing we're high up Anacapa drive, sitting on a cliff, looking down at the surf and the rest of God's green acre. There were still balloons on the res walls, the night before was Maharaji's anniversary. So I sat there and tried to tell my friend that
the guy sleeping behind those limp balloons was my former Lord of
the Universe. Soon a nice, smileyface drove up with the Sunday
paper and some fresh juice for the Lord. She asked what I was
doing there. I started to say I felt like I'd bought myself a
little piece of the hill but couldn't really articulate much of
anything. (Maybe it was the allnighter?). :)
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 21:49:22 (EDT)
Poster: DR. LIGHT Email: dr.light@aol.com To: Deena Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: What would be relly cool is to be in a question and answer session with M and thank him in person. I'd love to see his face go from a smile at the word thankyou to being pissed off when he realized that his fake beard didn't fool me... I love how he gave instruction
that this site doen't reflect well on him so the premies have
bowed out(my quess)...he is so powerful, now if he could only
overpower us. I've heard thunder & lightening storms are just the
beginning of the power of his wrath! |
Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 23:07:15 (EDT)
Poster: Chris Email: To: DR. LIGHT Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Each person gets to make their own choice. No one is going to come gather you up. The opportunity is being presented quite clearly. Everyone here seems to know the pros and cons. You will
reap as you sow.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 07:02:04 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: DR. LIGHT Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: ...if [premies] are here,they are doubting. That's only apparent to the ex-premies,
evidently. 'The mind seeks truth', saith the Lard. Lacking it in
MJ and the belief system accompanying his drivel, they are forced
to seek it elsewhere. Most don't have the courage to post here,
though. They mostly just sneak peeks.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 11:58:56 (EDT)
Poster: DR.LIGHT Email: PREMPAL@AOL.COM To: Chris Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Each person gets to make their own choice. No one is going to come gather you up. The opportunity is being presented quite clearly. Everyone here seems to know the pros and cons. You will reap as you sow. It's time for you to
go to see your master personally,eye to eye,tell him how you are
getting all the former fools striaghtend out.Im sure he will see
you.Give him a call,tell him how much you love him.write him a
letter,he'll write you back the most incredible sat sang youve
ever read,then tell us all about it.YOU won't do that.WHY,because
1 you'er scared shitless,brainwashed fool,2 you know he wont
repspond,cause he knows your a little gutless wimp fool,that
can't THINK for yourself.3 you havent got enough love to fill a
thimble.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 12:26:35 (EDT)
Poster: goddess anon-da Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Cynicism is bliss....cynicism is bliss...cynicism gives me peace....cynicism makes me whole... Hating Maharaji makes me feel better about myself... Finding others who hate him brings me joy... I love spending my free time focussed on my dislike for Maharaji... Wallowing in resentment and hate brings me fulfillment...
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 13:03:38 (EDT)
Poster: Deena about anger Email: To: goddess anon-da Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Cynicism is bliss....cynicism is bliss...cynicism gives me peace....cynicism makes me whole... Hating Maharaji makes me feel better about myself... Finding others who hate him brings me joy... I love spending my free time focussed on my dislike for Maharaji... Wallowing in resentment and hate brings me fulfillment...
If you were abused in any way as a human being and suppressed that experience what would happen? People who have left cults have been studied and it has been found that they are victims of Post Tramatic Stress Syndrome, as well as classic burn out symptoms. If you are at all familiar with theset terms you know that healing occurrs and time is a big factor in recovery. Here is a quote from the book Captive Hearts Captive Minds by Tobias: 'The emergence of anger is one of the first signs of recovery. Anger is a normal and healthy reaction to the hurts and assaults that you experienced. Anger is the most appropriate reponse to the abuse and manipulations of the cult. It is also the hardest emotion for some ex-members to get in touch with and deal with. If you feel angry, it means you are now ready to acknowledge that you were victimized, which can be incredibily painful. What was done was heinous-and you are entitled to your rage. Just as fear is the backbone of mind control, anger is the fuel of recovery. Anger is an extremely valuable tool in healing. It fortifies your sense of what is right by condemning the wrong that was done to you. It gives you the energy and will to get through the ordeal of getting your life back together. Suppression of anger while in the cult contributed to depression and a sense of helplessness. Now the reverse is possible. Anger can be a double-edged sword, however. It can motivate healing or be turned inward, against the self. Some people may find it easier to blame themselves thatn to use their anger to make necessary life changes. This can result in alcohol or drug use, physical illness, or emotional disorders including depression and suicidal thoughts and behaviors. Anger can also be directed at innocent others. If expressed inappropriately or unconsciously, anger can further a person's isolation. To be used effectively, anger must be focuse on its source-primarily the cult leader.' I read this when I was pretty much over the worst of my anger but of course there is still stuff that comes out now. Maybe whoever 'goddess anon-da' is, made a funny with this post and I didn't read the thread completely and missed something. Still it was an opprotunity to quote something that helped me understand what I've gone through. If premies are reading this post, remember
that ex-premies are speaking of something you may have not
experienced since your trust is still with M. But ex-premies have
been premies and they do know what a life of devotion to M is
and now they have the experience of life without that devotion.
I, for one, do not spend all my time dwelling on M anylonger. But
the anger I need to express is very real and this is one of the
places to do it. For premies this is seen as shit slinging, and
that is because they do not understand or they do not want to
understand.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 13:16:19 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Chris Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Each person gets to make their own choice. No one is going to come gather you up. The opportunity is being presented quite clearly. Everyone here seems to know the pros and cons. You will reap as you sow. Chris, this is incredible stuff. You should publish. 'Each person gets to make their own choice'. Wow. Do we each get pudding too? Can I have two if there are any left overs? As for 'clarity' Chris, really, you sure you
want to bring this up? Same with the 'pros and cons' as you so
inimitably say. What 'cons' Chris?
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 16:23:49 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Deena about anger Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: I really do need to read that book. The "anger" stuff was certainly true for me. After I left the Maharaj Ji cult, the first time I "allowed" myself to feel anger was one of the most liberating experiences of my life. It seemed like anger was the "key" to allowing me to feel anything again. I guess the anger had to come first. I also went through a period when I directed a lot of the anger against myself as well, with some of the symptoms you mentioned, although at the time it didn't seem like that is what I was doing. What I discovered, was that I was STILL programmed to automatically blame myself for everything bad, which was a central part of Maharaj Ji's cult, because nothing negative could ever be attributed to the perfect master. So, without even thinking about it, I was programmed to blame all negative things on myself. I did tend to place blame at times on the "organization" or on other premies, but NEVER on GMJ. I think people like OP, Mili and Chris, as well as probably other premies, still live in that world, and believe it or not, they think that the result is happiness. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 20:11:55 (EDT)
Poster: Fly Ondawall Email: To: goddess anon-da Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Cynicism is bliss....cynicism is bliss...cynicism gives me peace....cynicism makes me whole... Hating Maharaji makes me feel better about myself... Finding others who hate him brings me joy... I love spending my free time focussed on my dislike for Maharaji... Wallowing in resentment and hate brings me fulfillment...
Deena... you're not the first to feel good about hating. Let's face it, hatred makes us feel real goooood. It's hatred that makes the world the beautiful place that it is... don't you think? And because it is so worthwhile to hate and spread hatred for the cause, I know you'll be rewarded. If you're lucky it'll be more hatred. Maybe you'll get to wallow in it completely. Hey, wouldn't that be a neat way to go, at the hands of somebody's hatred. 'Feel your anger Luke. Feel the power of the dark side.' ...you role model you.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 20:54:52 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: Fly Ondawall Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Cute response, mr or ms fly, but you missed Deena's point entirely.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 22:47:08 (EDT)
Poster: tom Email: To: Deena about anger Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: thank you Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 01:00:33 (EDT)
Poster: coleta Email: partylord@nrt.com To: Deena...quack... Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Quack,quack,quack... oh happy, happy, joy, jpy...as Stimpy would say. I logged on and began laughing within minutes of reading replies to my Thank-you post! It's like a good Seinfield episode. Chris's timely advise may very well have increased the shitload I have to throw...thanks op for the compliment. It does my so-called heart good to know that I have been throwing shit at Maharaji all this time. And here I thought I was just being sincere, go figure. JW, my buddy. Brian, what you said was right on. Jim, I miss you. I was laughing so hard and long reading this thread I had to comment to my husband that visiting my friends is great 'cause I can be sure to get a good laugh. He probably wishes he could enjoy that too since he has not been meditating as regularly or going to videos either....do you think living with someone who is truly free is inspiring him to leave his cage too? I won't hold my breath but you never know do you. He is too good for M. I use to tell him how good he would be for M but he is too damn good for the likes of him. Mind you if I was a millionaire I'd finance my husbands trips and his offers of service so he could find out first hand that he is a drunken fraud. Sorry op and Chris, but if it isn't true than think of how much fun you'll have rubbing my face in it. I wish I could dare you to rise up to the intimate positions that would reveal today( in your mature years of jugement) what he is really about. The first hand experience worth having, that Mishler and the friends of ex-premies on this site have had. It's time someone new stepped forward and spilt the beans, don't you agree. Take up the challenge. Set out to confirm the accusation that he is a drunk and the truth, whatever that is, will be revealed. But be warned that alcoholics are sometimes on what is called a dry drunk when not drinking and if you attend Alanon or AA meetings you can get a pretty good profile of what to watch for. Also, given that he must be extremely secretive you will have to be very patient and gain his trust, all the while interviewing those who are close who leave. But maybe knowing that the one you've prayed to is
a drunk is too overwhelming. I know it was for me. In time the
truth shall set you free. I'm glad that I had already made my
exit before finding out who he really is. HEY,is
Durg stll screwing John Hamilton or what?I know she was when M
was doing that seventeen year old in that club on sunset.smokin
cigs and drinking and leading his double life.Good for you Durg
,get yourself some,you deserve it putting up with all that
hype.We love ya
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 01:13:52 (EDT)
Poster: SUSYBI Email: spankmegood@ooh To: DR.LIGHT Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Each person gets to make their own choice. No one is going to come gather you up. The opportunity is being presented quite clearly. Everyone here seems to know the pros and cons. You will reap as you sow. It's time for you to go to see
your master personally,eye to eye,tell him how you are getting
all the former fools striaghtend out.Im sure he will see you.Give
him a call,tell him how much you love him.write him a
letter,he'll write you back the most incredible sat sang youve
ever read,then tell us all about it.YOU won't do that.WHY,because
1 you'er scared shitless,brainwashed fool,2 you know he wont
repspond,cause he knows your a little gutless wimp fool,that
can't THINK for yourself.3 you havent got enough love to fill a
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 05:25:32 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: coleta Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: HEY,is Durg stll screwing John Hamilton or what?I know she was when M was doing that seventeen year old in that club on sunset.smokin cigs and drinking and leading his double life. Good for you Durg ,get yourself some,you deserve it putting up with all that hype. We love ya Naw. Seems Mr.
and Mrs. underwent marriage counseling. All better now. At least
he isn't going to let some quack fool around with HIS life. Went
to someone who didn't inherit his qualifications from 'Dad', ya
know?
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 12:49:03 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: coleta Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: In the 80s, when Guru Maharaj Ji was out screwing other women, I have it on good authority by someone who was there, that Durga Ji had an affair with the premie who was her driver. I don't recall his name, but he was one of those handsome, all-American residence premies with Malibu blonde hair and who resembled a Ken doll. I understand that he had to take the blunt of the affair and was forced to leave the residence in disgrace.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 19:29:08 (EDT)
Poster: op Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: You stopped posting becuase you have no integrity. You ran up against some obstacles in your argument and slowly, muttering sweet, bhole shris under your breath, tried to turn around with a smile on your face and split fast, hoping no one noticed.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Jim. I actually stopped posting because I discovered that I was spending so much time reading here that I fell days behind in my work, which is the source of income for several people. Rather than let them starve, and myself to boot, I decided to spend rather less time on this site and more with my nose in a book, so to speak. As for my failing miserably here, I get the feeling that if I spent day and night for 30 years, we'd still get nowhere. I've tried to be honest, but that's not what you want. You want people to join your side, and unless they do, they have no credibility in your world. 'If 30 maids with 30 brooms, swept it for half a year, do you believe' the walrus said, 'the sand would disappear?' But the dialogue isn't quite
over...why don't we just let a few things take shape this year,
like the events that M is doing all over the world in the next
few months, and if premies and exes can keep their eyes truly
open, something might come of all this, after all.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 20:20:14 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: op Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: But the dialogue isn't quite over...why don't we just let a few things take shape this year, like the events that M is doing all over the world in the next few months, and if premies and exes can keep their eyes truly open, something might come of all this, after all. You are expecting maybe some great announcement to happen this year? Preminess is living on the verge. There's always going to be this 'great' event scheduled. The thread of Great Expectations stretches from GMJ's arrival in the West, on into the far distant future. The key phrase is constant throughtout - 'something might come of this'. I'm amazed that full-grown adults keep sneaking back to their empty stockings (day after day, year after year) to see what Santa might have brought. Nothing? Well, maybe tomorrow. Meanwhile, he's getting richer, and you're getting older. Is there no drawing of any lesson from the great circling around in your life, Opie? Are you really happy with your role as Judas Sheep to the SadGuru? At what point did the non-premies in your life learn to let you talk about MJ without saying anything to discourage you, knowing they were talking to the blowing wind? Personal credibility is a resource that just doesn't replenish itself after a few days/weeks off. I doubt that it works any different in your own 'life' than it does here. You don't post for a few days, and people here are supposed to believe anything you say now? Having completely forgotten your previous gibberish rationalizations for spending your life stuck in a hopefull pranam? This is real life on this site, Opie.
This isn't the Millenium.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 20:52:48 (EDT)
Poster: inthaknow Email: betwweenthaknees To: JW Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: In the 80s, when Guru Maharaj Ji was out screwing other women, I have it on good authority by someone who was there, that Durga Ji had an affair with the premie who was her driver. I don't recall his name, but he was one of those handsome, all-American residence premies with Malibu blonde hair and who resembled a Ken doll. I understand that he had to take the blunt of the affair and was forced to leave the residence in disgrace.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:14:34 (EDT)
Poster: BETWEENTHAKNEEES Email: athafeetoftha To: DR.LIGHT Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Each person gets to make their own choice. No one is going to come gather you up. The opportunity is being presented quite clearly. Everyone here seems to know the pros and cons. You will reap as you sow. It's time for you to go to see
your master personally,eye to eye,tell him how you are getting
all the former fools striaghtend out.Im sure he will see you.Give
him a call,tell him how much you love him.write him a
letter,he'll write you back the most incredible sat sang youve
ever read,then tell us all about it.YOU won't do that.WHY,because
1 you'er scared shitless,brainwashed fool,2 you know he wont
repspond,cause he knows your a little gutless wimp fool,that
can't THINK for yourself.3 you havent got enough love to fill a
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:26:28 (EDT)
Poster: A REAL PREMIE Email: REAL TO REAL@NET.COM To: an admirer Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: youve found the way is to love yourself,be yourself,make your own choices. good for you deena,i a fellow wholly fool salutyou.in fact i dont think the little fat, spoiled brat,deserves our attention.good for you, your free of the vampires spell.premies,lets here your personal storys of all the eye to eye conversations youve had with gmj?he will allow you to ,pay to hear him speak,and see him ,the circus freak he is. go to his door ,go ahead ,he'll have you arrested,at the gates,that you paid for!you poor pathetic fools. I KNOW MY MARAJI WOULD HAVE ME COME INSIDE,TALK TO ME ,GIVE ME SAT SANG,AND SHOWER ME WITH LOVE,............AND TOMARROW I'M GOING TO GO TO THE RESIDENCE AND SEE HIM AND SHOW YOU JUST HOW,INCREDIBLY WRONG YOU ARE.i WILL WRITE HERE ALL THE FANTASTIC BLISSFULL THINGS THAT HAPPEN JUST TO SHOW YOU LOST LITTLE SOULS,THE REAL TRUTH OF OUR LORD. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:36:10 (EDT)
Poster: YoYo Email: To: BETWEENTHAKNEEES Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Do you have any new news on M's $30M camp in Nigeria? How is the trash can grub these days? You must have been worked pretty hard. Have you had enough rest yet. What is your new cause? Jim has some new instructions for you. Keep those CAPS coming. More for merry. Happy days. Bravo. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:44:36 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: BETWEENTHAKNEEES Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Sir, I salute your candour. Not your punctuation, your candour. And your guts which seem to be turning. Really, man, good for you. I'd like to buy you a drink. Maybe, one day we'll all do just that. Picture it, a big post-premie party, drinks, laughs, major indignation, mild indigestion.... and then, back to our hotel rooms.... the quiet, the sense that we really did get fooled. Oh well. Couldda happened to anyone. Couldda been worse. Really, bro, I'm with you. (Just don't call me bro'). Now, some questions: 1) who's Joe Gould? I've heard the name but can't place it. 2) I don't really remember the 'two cents a
day can keep our Lord fed and clothed properly' campaign of '79.
Maybe, but not really. Care to refresh my memory? Thanks.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:50:36 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: YoYo Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Do you have any new news on M's $30M camp in Nigeria? How is the trash can grub these days? You must have been worked pretty hard. Have you had enough rest yet. What is your new cause? Jim has some new instructions for you. Keep those CAPS coming. More for merry. Happy days. Bravo.
What part of Mr. whatchamacallit's little story do you take issue with? Is it the fund drive for Maharaji's welfare even while he had an obscene collection of expensive cars? (I'm not sure about that myself, but wouldn't you like to know the truth of the matter?) Is it Maharaji's obsequious fawning over a common human being? (There, too, I'm not exactly clear on what he's talking about but, again, don't you care?) Be fair,
anonymous asshole, Mr. Whosit isn't parading the Nigeria story.
He has his own. Do you take issue with them? If so, get on with
it. What are you waiting for? A sense of humour?
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:55:20 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: A REAL PREMIE Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Please, not block letters. Otherwise, you just do that. I can't wait. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 23:34:35 (EDT)
Poster: ASTIN MARTIN Email: NOGAS/@EMTY.COM To: coleta Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Quack,quack,quack... oh happy, happy, joy, jpy...as Stimpy would say. I logged on and began laughing within minutes of reading replies to my Thank-you post! It's like a good Seinfield episode. Chris's timely advise may very well have increased the shitload I have to throw...thanks op for the compliment. It does my so-called heart good to know that I have been throwing shit at Maharaji all this time. And here I thought I was just being sincere, go figure. JW, my buddy. Brian, what you said was right on. Jim, I miss you. I was laughing so hard and long reading this thread I had to comment to my husband that visiting my friends is great 'cause I can be sure to get a good laugh. He probably wishes he could enjoy that too since he has not been meditating as regularly or going to videos either....do you think living with someone who is truly free is inspiring him to leave his cage too? I won't hold my breath but you never know do you. He is too good for M. I use to tell him how good he would be for M but he is too damn good for the likes of him. Mind you if I was a millionaire I'd finance my husbands trips and his offers of service so he could find out first hand that he is a drunken fraud. Sorry op and Chris, but if it isn't true than think of how much fun you'll have rubbing my face in it. I wish I could dare you to rise up to the intimate positions that would reveal today( in your mature years of jugement) what he is really about. The first hand experience worth having, that Mishler and the friends of ex-premies on this site have had. It's time someone new stepped forward and spilt the beans, don't you agree. Take up the challenge. Set out to confirm the accusation that he is a drunk and the truth, whatever that is, will be revealed. But be warned that alcoholics are sometimes on what is called a dry drunk when not drinking and if you attend Alanon or AA meetings you can get a pretty good profile of what to watch for. Also, given that he must be extremely secretive you will have to be very patient and gain his trust, all the while interviewing those who are close who leave. But maybe knowing that the one you've prayed to is a drunk is
too overwhelming. I know it was for me. In time the truth shall
set you free. I'm glad that I had already made my exit before
finding out who he really is. HEY,is Durg stll
screwing John Hamilton or what?I know she was when M was doing
that seventeen year old in that club on sunset.smokin cigs and
drinking and leading his double life.Good for you Durg ,get
yourself some,you deserve it putting up with all that hype.We
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 01:36:53 (EDT)
Poster: op Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: No, no great pronouncements. No great apocalypse. But then, I never thought there would be. I wasn't one of the millenium-ites. To me it was just another program, and I already posted a rather long note about that - about how I was a bit worried that all these people had absurd expectations of something otherworldly. No living on the verge. My life is still a rollercoaster on one level - things keep happening that are inspiring and that are painful. I was simply mentioning that you guys, before casting your next few stones, might decide to wait a bit and see in which diretion M is moving. And when I talked about going round and round in circles, I was talking about the ex's on this page, not myself. You like the analogy, huh?
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 01:43:21 (EDT)
Poster: op Email: To: Brian Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: One of the saddest parts about having broken free from the obligation of service, is that I now have time to post here if I choose. I can also read a book, or watch TV, or do any other thing that I choose to do with my life at the time, without having to struggle with whether I should actually be fulfilling some 'higher' obligation of volunteering to be an unpaid servant to someone who has 'given' me the opportunity to serve him. I miss that, of course. Maybe you're independently wealthy. I'm not. I have to work for a living, and spending as much time as I did posting the first few weeks actually put me in jeopardy of losing my job. It was a wonderful new hobby, but doesn't pay off. As for reading, watching tv, etc. - to each his own. Sometimes I read for 12 hrs straight. Sometimes I play computer games all night. Sometimes I go bowling with my kids. And sometimes I get to (yes, Get To!) help out at an event M is having, and that's where I have the most fun. Different strokes....
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 09:48:27 (EDT)
Poster: Brian Email: To: op Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: I was simply mentioning that you guys, before casting your next few stones, might decide to wait a bit and see in which diretion M is moving. You have a point. He IS a slippery little moving target. Perhaps that would be best, to ensure that I can bounce one directly off his old bean. But then I gotta allow for the hot winds that blow from him too... I can see the value now in just blindly following along behind him. And forget about the getting richer part. He's getting older, I'm getting older. It's kind of fun watching M and realizing he's grown up now. But no one's getting richer, unless it's Bill Gates and his cronies you're tracking. Right. Someday you'll have to have me over to look at the
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 11:28:29 (EDT)
Poster: Deena to op Email: To: op Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: One of the saddest parts about having broken free from the obligation of service, is that I now have time to post here if I choose. I can also read a book, or watch TV, or do any other thing that I choose to do with my life at the time, without having to struggle with whether I should actually be fulfilling some 'higher' obligation of volunteering to be an unpaid servant to someone who has 'given' me the opportunity to serve him. I miss that, of course. Maybe you're independently wealthy. I'm not. I have to work for a living, and spending as much time as I did posting the first few weeks actually put me in jeopardy of losing my job. It was a wonderful new hobby, but doesn't pay off. As for reading, watching tv, etc. - to each his own. Sometimes I read for 12 hrs straight. Sometimes I play computer games all night. Sometimes I go bowling with my kids. And sometimes I get to (yes, Get To!) help out at an event M is having, and that's where I have the most fun. Different strokes....
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 12:27:51 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: inthaknow Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: That name, Danny Blood, sounds right, but I'm not sure. He had that Malibu surfer look, right? But somehow I have the idea that he left the residence while I was still a premie and I'm pretty sure Durga Ji's affair with this premie happened a few years after that.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 12:56:43 (EDT)
Poster: JW Email: To: BETWEENTHAKNEEES Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Disgusting, isn't it. If you had lots of money, even if you thought GMJ was nothing more than an interesting businessman, you were on Maharaj Ji's "A" list and he would devote all kinds of attention to you, because you had something to give him that he wanted in quantities greater than most premies: money. If you were just a premie with no assets, but were devoting you entire life to him, well, he probably would never even talk to you. That's where Guru Mahrarj Ji's priorities always were. "What can I, personally get out of this. What can this person do for me?"
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 13:13:57 (EDT)
Poster: Jim Email: To: op Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: OP, why in the world should we watch Maharaji? What are you expecting, a NEW commemorative spoon, perhaps? Another whitewashed, Orwellian bathetic nastalgia/fleece fest? Another song penned directly from the and of the lover of all lovers? Another divine baby, perhaps? Oh, I know: Maharaji's going to finally get some land for all of us to get together! Is that it? Alright! (I bet Maharaji would love to rent some quite, isolated camp site for a weekend for a little festival for all us manmots, huh?) What in the world are you talking about? Is Maharaji going to salvage his mission to save the world like Paul Newman did his legal career in the Verdict? I can see it now -- Maharaji goes to the liquor cabinet -- then turns away! 'Durga Ji', he calls. She's in the living room watching TV. 'He hasn't called me that in years' she thinks. 'Get me my Krishna crown!' Instantly she realizes that he's back. At last, the Lord is on the move! How about you, OP? How long will you wait before you start
casting stones? Forever? Not so strange. Religion's like that.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 14:17:19 (EDT)
Poster: PORN MOVIE Email: TAKE 2@NET.COM To: Deena about anger Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Cynicism is bliss....cynicism is bliss...cynicism gives me peace....cynicism makes me whole... Hating Maharaji makes me feel better about myself... Finding others who hate him brings me joy... I love spending my free time focussed on my dislike for Maharaji... Wallowing in resentment and hate brings me fulfillment...
If you were abused in any way as a human being and suppressed that experience what would happen? People who have left cults have been studied and it has been found that they are victims of Post Tramatic Stress Syndrome, as well as classic burn out symptoms. If you are at all familiar with theset terms you know that healing occurrs and time is a big factor in recovery. Here is a quote from the book Captive Hearts Captive Minds by Tobias: 'The emergence of anger is one of the first signs of recovery. Anger is a normal and healthy reaction to the hurts and assaults that you experienced. Anger is the most appropriate reponse to the abuse and manipulations of the cult. It is also the hardest emotion for some ex-members to get in touch with and deal with. If you feel angry, it means you are now ready to acknowledge that you were victimized, which can be incredibily painful. What was done was heinous-and you are entitled to your rage. Just as fear is the backbone of mind control, anger is the fuel of recovery. Anger is an extremely valuable tool in healing. It fortifies your sense of what is right by condemning the wrong that was done to you. It gives you the energy and will to get through the ordeal of getting your life back together. Suppression of anger while in the cult contributed to depression and a sense of helplessness. Now the reverse is possible. Anger can be a double-edged sword, however. It can motivate healing or be turned inward, against the self. Some people may find it easier to blame themselves thatn to use their anger to make necessary life changes. This can result in alcohol or drug use, physical illness, or emotional disorders including depression and suicidal thoughts and behaviors. Anger can also be directed at innocent others. If expressed inappropriately or unconsciously, anger can further a person's isolation. To be used effectively, anger must be focuse on its source-primarily the cult leader.' I read this when I was pretty much over the worst of my anger but of course there is still stuff that comes out now. Maybe whoever 'goddess anon-da' is, made a funny with this post and I didn't read the thread completely and missed something. Still it was an opprotunity to quote something that helped me understand what I've gone through. If premies are reading this post, remember that ex-premies are speaking of something you may have not experienced since your trust is still with M. But ex-premies have been premies and they do know what a life of devotion to M is and now they have the experience of life without that devotion. I, for one, do not spend all my time dwelling on M anylonger. But the anger I need to express is very real and this is one of the places to do it. For premies this is seen as shit slinging, and that is because they do not understand or they do not want to understand. Doesn't reflect well on him?Is he out
of his drunken mind ,or what? Kinda feel like poor Linda
Lovelace,in deep throat,she was in the movie,but later said she
was brainwashed into it,anyway a strange position to be in,like
the former fools find themselves in. Doesn't reflect well on
him,i heard this is his favorite site!The one who dips his
bread!What about us,i don't think he reflects well on us.we told
our families,friends, everyone THE LORD has come to save us,to
save the world,have you lost your mind! yes!Dad,and it's
incredible...I stood talking to my aunt Betty in the freezing
cold,they were trying to leave,and i had them in the ole premie
lock, he's everything,he's infinate and every thing else is
finate,we 're not our bodies,or our minds,we're so much more than
that we're,look dear we have to go we loveyou...poor fool so
mixed up...this wholly farse,so he could make some money, doesn't
reflect well on us!all that twisted mind warping crapola,so he
can be a pretend movie star in maliboo!angry? me why should i be
angry?just because he raped our souls for money?played with our
lives like toys,ripped us of for everything he could,and our
dignity as well so he could be the big shot on the hill.We need
to let that anger out and let clean air blow through.I bet you
mataji said the same thing about him,he doesn't reflect well on
me.It's all just a money making game,thats all.it's a shame he
needs to us the fools to make his money,for his bussiness.What
ever happened to the airplane fixing up bussiness,that joe helped
him start? wish he could find a more lucrative bussiness,so he
would't have to rape souls for a living! LINDA
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 14:30:31 (EDT)
Poster: GMJ ON TV !!!!! Email: gmj saves the world@?????? To: inthaknow Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: In the 80s, when Guru Maharaj Ji was out screwing other women, I have it on good authority by someone who was there, that Durga Ji had an affair with the premie who was her driver. I don't recall his name, but he was one of those handsome, all-American residence premies with Malibu blonde hair and who resembled a Ken doll. I understand that he had to take the blunt of the affair and was forced to leave the residence in disgrace.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 20:38:04 (EDT)
Poster: subaroo Email: mmmmm?????mmmmm????? To: ASTIN MARTIN Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Quack,quack,quack... oh happy, happy, joy, jpy...as Stimpy would say. I logged on and began laughing within minutes of reading replies to my Thank-you post! It's like a good Seinfield episode. Chris's timely advise may very well have increased the shitload I have to throw...thanks op for the compliment. It does my so-called heart good to know that I have been throwing shit at Maharaji all this time. And here I thought I was just being sincere, go figure. JW, my buddy. Brian, what you said was right on. Jim, I miss you. I was laughing so hard and long reading this thread I had to comment to my husband that visiting my friends is great 'cause I can be sure to get a good laugh. He probably wishes he could enjoy that too since he has not been meditating as regularly or going to videos either....do you think living with someone who is truly free is inspiring him to leave his cage too? I won't hold my breath but you never know do you. He is too good for M. I use to tell him how good he would be for M but he is too damn good for the likes of him. Mind you if I was a millionaire I'd finance my husbands trips and his offers of service so he could find out first hand that he is a drunken fraud. Sorry op and Chris, but if it isn't true than think of how much fun you'll have rubbing my face in it. I wish I could dare you to rise up to the intimate positions that would reveal today( in your mature years of jugement) what he is really about. The first hand experience worth having, that Mishler and the friends of ex-premies on this site have had. It's time someone new stepped forward and spilt the beans, don't you agree. Take up the challenge. Set out to confirm the accusation that he is a drunk and the truth, whatever that is, will be revealed. But be warned that alcoholics are sometimes on what is called a dry drunk when not drinking and if you attend Alanon or AA meetings you can get a pretty good profile of what to watch for. Also, given that he must be extremely secretive you will have to be very patient and gain his trust, all the while interviewing those who are close who leave. But maybe knowing that the one you've prayed to is a drunk is
too overwhelming. I know it was for me. In time the truth shall
set you free. I'm glad that I had already made my exit before
finding out who he really is. HEY,is Durg stll
screwing John Hamilton or what?I know she was when M was doing
that seventeen year old in that club on sunset.smokin cigs and
drinking and leading his double life.Good for you Durg ,get
yourself some,you deserve it putting up with all that hype.We
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 21:25:53 (EDT)
Poster: Bill Cooper Email: To: a real premie Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: And please real premie. When you stand out in the rain for eight hours and then the security guys tell you to fuck off dont come back and write a load of fantasy shit. Thats one of the things that premies do almost without self awareness lie to protect Maharaji. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jun 14, 1997 at 09:30:24 (EDT)
Poster: Exactly JW ....Deena Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji Message: Disgusting, isn't it. If you had lots of money, even if you thought GMJ was nothing more than an interesting businessman, you were on Maharaj Ji's 'A' list and he would devote all kinds of attention to you, because you had something to give him that he wanted in quantities greater than most premies: money. If you were just a premie with no assets, but were devoting you entire life to him, well, he probably would never even talk to you. That's where Guru Mahrarj Ji's priorities always were. 'What can I, personally get out of this. What can this person do for me?'
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