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Forum I Archive # 7

From: Jun 4, 1997

To: Jun 17, 1997

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LIGHT READING -:- STRAWBERRYS -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:10:51 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:14:51 (EDT)
___Mummy -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:44:09 (EDT)
___Bill Cooper -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 05:41:15 (EDT)
___me -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 08:52:12 (EDT)
___your only chance! -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:22:49 (EDT)
___freeatlast -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:24:56 (EDT)
___mummy -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 23:11:56 (EDT)
___CHANCE -:- Re: STRAWBERRYS -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 19:45:35 (EDT)

Deena -:- Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 13:51:29 (EDT)
___Deena -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 14:10:01 (EDT)
___Chris -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:09:26 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:12:25 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:31:55 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 17:22:50 (EDT)
___Chris -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:35:39 (EDT)
___Chris -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:36:12 (EDT)
___Chris -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:39:09 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:44:49 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:51:22 (EDT)
___Chris -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:07:57 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:32:04 (EDT)
___op -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 01:41:17 (EDT)
___Brian -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 07:36:24 (EDT)
___tom -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 09:24:24 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 11:28:04 (EDT)
___Deena...quack... -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 16:36:02 (EDT)
___an admirer -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:04:24 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:31:18 (EDT)
___DR. LIGHT -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 21:49:22 (EDT)
___Chris -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 23:07:15 (EDT)
___Brian -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 07:02:04 (EDT)
___DR.LIGHT -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 11:58:56 (EDT)
___goddess anon-da -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 12:26:35 (EDT)
___Deena about anger -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 13:03:38 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 13:16:19 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 16:23:49 (EDT)
___Fly Ondawall -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 20:11:55 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 20:54:52 (EDT)
___tom -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 22:47:08 (EDT)
___coleta -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 01:00:33 (EDT)
___SUSYBI -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 01:13:52 (EDT)
___Brian -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 05:25:32 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 12:49:03 (EDT)
___op -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 19:29:08 (EDT)
___Brian -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 20:20:14 (EDT)
___inthaknow -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 20:52:48 (EDT)
___BETWEENTHAKNEEES -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:14:34 (EDT)
___A REAL PREMIE -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:26:28 (EDT)
___YoYo -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:36:10 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:44:36 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:50:36 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:55:20 (EDT)
___ASTIN MARTIN -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 23:34:35 (EDT)
___op -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 01:36:53 (EDT)
___op -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 01:43:21 (EDT)
___Brian -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 09:48:27 (EDT)
___Deena to op -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 11:28:29 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 12:27:51 (EDT)
___JW -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 12:56:43 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 13:13:57 (EDT)
___PORN MOVIE -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 14:17:19 (EDT)
___GMJ ON TV !!!!! -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 14:30:31 (EDT)
___subaroo -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 20:38:04 (EDT)
___Bill Cooper -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 21:25:53 (EDT)
___Exactly JW ....Deena -:- Re: Thank you Maharaji -:- Sat, Jun 14, 1997 at 09:30:24 (EDT)


Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:10:51 (EDT)
Poster: LIGHT READING
Email: LIGHT READING@AOL.COM
To: Everyone
Subject: STRAWBERRYS
Message:
So he may not want you anymore but we want you and we love you and care about you.WE WANT YOU BACK WITH US ,we are not strangers were your brothers and sisters,we loved together ,cried together,believed together.We will actually talk to you,respond to you ,be real with you.Go and try and talk to M,go ahead hell have you arrested if you pull up to the wholly gates
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:14:51 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: LIGHT READING
Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS
Message:
mummy? is that you? mum?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 23:44:09 (EDT)
Poster: Mummy
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS
Message:
mummy? is that you? mum?
Your hands will be full with the souls you attract.
Satisfy them one and all
The wit and charm of Heller is to be put to a great test.
Courage, character, cunning transformed to charm and conquest.
Douche, JW,Brian and Bill wait at your side for the signal.
You have the secret weapons. You have the special pudding.
Deena will weep at your magnificient feats.
Go forth son. On to a glorious victory! Your destiny awaits!
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 05:41:15 (EDT)
Poster: Bill Cooper
Email:
To: Mummy
Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS
Message:
Whatever your taking give it a rest its not doing you any good.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 08:52:12 (EDT)
Poster: me
Email:
To: LIGHT READING
Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS
Message:
we?
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:22:49 (EDT)
Poster: your only chance!
Email: freeatlast@aol.com
To: Mummy
Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS
Message:
you are going to need your poor ole mommy when the rugu get finished sucking the life out of you.try and call him to tell him how much you lov him ,go ahead,try and go see him, better have a bundle of money in your hands,or off you go to jail.WE we! have been there,done that! go learn you emty lesson from your RUGU!
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:24:56 (EDT)
Poster: freeatlast
Email:
To: Bill Cooper
Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS
Message:
all that one on one with M is drivin um crazy!
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 23:11:56 (EDT)
Poster: mummy
Email:
To: your only chance!
Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS
Message:
You are being naughty.
Darkness is not the place for you to dwell.
You have not learned from your lessons.
You must put due attention to the matter while you can.
Take that rag out of your mouth now.
Pleasant dreams.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 19:45:35 (EDT)
Poster: CHANCE
Email:
To: mummy
Subject: Re: STRAWBERRYS
Message:
You are being naughty.
Darkness is not the place for you to dwell.
You have not learned from your lessons.
You must put due attention to the matter while you can.
Take that rag out of your mouth now.
Pleasant dreams.

NOW THAT I THINK OF IT ,YOU'RE IN THE PERFECT PLACE,YOU'LL GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU DESERVE.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 13:51:29 (EDT)
Poster: Deena
Email:
To: Everyone
Subject: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
No Jim, relax. You can call me (which reminds me, I'm still waiting to talk to you JW, didn't you say you'd call sometime?) to see how I am because I do miss taliking to you, but I haven't been sucked back into M's vortex. It's just that today I was doing my running around in the car and I found myself thinking how free I feel without the whole thing of believing in God and believing I need a master to have that relationship. I found myself saying--'Thank you Maharaji'. So many times in a day I use to find myself saying that and lately it has been more of a mantra of 'Fuck you Maharaji". But I realized that if it wasn't for spending all that time in my life devoted to loving God through what I felt was my Lord, than I wouldn't have come to this point of seeing how it makes no difference for me. I feel great without a relationship with a higher power. I feel more alive and I feel a freedom I never felt before. Amazing.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 14:10:01 (EDT)
Poster: Deena
Email:
To: All
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
What would be relly cool is to be in a question and answer session with M and thank him in person. I'd love to see his face go from a smile at the word thankyou to being pissed off when he realized that his fake beard didn't fool me...

I love how he gave instruction that this site doen't reflect well on him so the premies have bowed out(my quess)...he is so powerful, now if he could only overpower us. I've heard thunder & lightening storms are just the beginning of the power of his wrath!
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:09:26 (EDT)
Poster: Chris
Email:
To: Deena
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
What would be relly cool is to be in a question and answer session with M and thank him in person. I'd love to see his face go from a smile at the word thankyou to being pissed off when he realized that his fake beard didn't fool me...

I love how he gave instruction that this site doen't reflect well on him so the premies have bowed out(my quess)...he is so powerful, now if he could only overpower us. I've heard thunder & lightening storms are just the beginning of the power of his wrath!

There are certainly no instructions to not participate on this web site.
There has not been any mention of this site by M.
You are guessing. Imagination is powerful.
You are confusing his views on the Internet phenomenon.
Do you realize how many different topics he has discussed over the years?
I happen to be quite well read on Internet history, technology, business aspects and social impact.

Don't you think that Maharaji has run into all kinds of people, questions and reactions over the many years and many places he has been?
Do you really think your 'thankyou' would fool or destroy him?

The feelings of freedom that you feel sound positive.
You may in fact have learned something very valuable over the years that you underestimate.

I would not dwell on how to piss M off or trick him.
I don't see how that can add any positive value to YOU.
Focus on what are the positive feelings in your life today.

Regards,
CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:12:25 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Deena
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Deena, have you heard from anyone that GMJ has commented on this page in any way?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 16:31:55 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Chris, your advice to Deena, far from being new age drivel, is invaluable and I hope it resonates with her. If not, I hope your truth comes home to you so it is not left wasting away somewhere out there. You have experienced a lot of growth in your time and now are wise. Be with your peace. You are much like many born under your sign but unlike others. This, too, can change but, even if it does not, you are in growth. The only thing negative is negativity itself which, if you think about it, is just a thought. Only you can make it real with fear. Fear on the other hand cannot touch you if you are in attunement. Really, Chirs, it's THAT easy.

Yes, you are right, imagination is powerful. Even to hear you state the truth so strongly inspires me. I read that and it made me get up from my computer and walk around my office waving my hands and making duck noises. I have stopped but the duck noises are still in my head. Have you ever had that experience?

You're also right to poo-poo Deena's thought that Maharaji cards one iota what any premie thinks about him. His detachment could not be more refined. Deena is young.

Finally, thank you for your profound analysis of Deena's 'feelings of freedom.' Yes, they do sound positive. On the other hand, they may be negative. I would ask Deena to ask her heart for some answer if, indeed, she shares your question. If she does not (she is young) I would ask that you check with YOUR heart.

Regards,

Jim
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 17:22:50 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Chris, your advice to Deena, far from being new age drivel, is invaluable and I hope it resonates with her. If not, I hope your truth comes home to you so it is not left wasting away somewhere out there. You have experienced a lot of growth in your time and now are wise. Be with your peace. You are much like many born under your sign but unlike others. This, too, can change but, even if it does not, you are in growth. The only thing negative is negativity itself which, if you think about it, is just a thought. Only you can make it real with fear. Fear on the other hand cannot touch you if you are in attunement. Really, Chirs, it's THAT easy.

Yes, you are right, imagination is powerful. Even to hear you state the truth so strongly inspires me. I read that and it made me get up from my computer and walk around my office waving my hands and making duck noises. I have stopped but the duck noises are still in my head. Have you ever had that experience?

You're also right to poo-poo Deena's thought that Maharaji cards one iota what any premie thinks about him. His detachment could not be more refined. Deena is young.

Finally, thank you for your profound analysis of Deena's 'feelings of freedom.' Yes, they do sound positive. On the other hand, they may be negative. I would ask Deena to ask her heart for some answer if, indeed, she shares your question. If she does not (she is young) I would ask that you check with YOUR heart.

Regards,

Jim
This is very good. Very good.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:35:39 (EDT)
Poster: Chris
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
The only time I had a similar experience was during the 'Disco Duck' craze.
It could be the start of a musical comeback for you.

I did not say that Maharaji does not care what premies think of him.
What I was getting at is that he probably has a good sense of what the underlying motives are of somebody that he is speaking with.
He has lots of experience conversing with a wide variety of people.
How would a fake 'thankyou' phase him?
Why should he care?
In fact, he may well have an interest in that persons well being.
That doesn't mean he is obligated to play a game forced upon him.

CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:36:12 (EDT)
Poster: Chris
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
The only time I had a similar experience was during the 'Disco Duck' craze.
It could be the start of a musical comeback for you.

I did not say that Maharaji does not care what premies think of him.
What I was getting at is that he probably has a good sense of what the underlying motives are of somebody that he is speaking with.
He has lots of experience conversing with a wide variety of people.
How would a fake 'thankyou' phase him?
Why should he care?
In fact, he may well have an interest in that persons well being.
That doesn't mean he is obligated to play a game forced upon him.

CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:39:09 (EDT)
Poster: Chris
Email:
To: Scott
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
The duplicate posting of my message occured because an internal server error was encountered during the first posting.
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:44:49 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
The duplicate posting of my message occured because an internal server error was encountered during the first posting.
And I thought it was emphasis. See how stupid it is to assume things?
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 18:51:22 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Being that we're all experts here, may I comment on your comment? Could it be Chris that when you wrote:

'Why should he care?
In fact, he may well have an interest in that persons well being.'

what really happened is that you asked the question, paused a moment and realized how callous your own obvious point about Maharaji is and then, in true apologist style, tried to cover with this very stiff bullshit -- 'he may well have an interest in that persons well being.'

Chris, you sound like you're talking about a loans officer. This was supposedly our LORD, Chris, our soul made flesh, in human form, come to guide us home eternally, eternally. Blah, blah, blah. Come on, Chris, YOU'VE read the Celestine Prophecies. You know what I'm talking about!
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:07:57 (EDT)
Poster: Chris
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
I'm not callous, trying to apoligize or trying to bullshit.

What I realized is that you didn't get what I was trying to express.
This is a common problem with communication.
Misunderstandings.

I am not blaming you.
I often don't express myself clearly enough.

It also turns out that ambiguity is at the heart of language.
I do some work on computerized translation.
Ambiguity in language and communication is a very strong factor that most people take for granted.

Come to think of it, people take a lot for granted.

Yeah, I did read the Celestine Prophecies.
It was O.K.
I am not going on a trip to Peru - g.
I'm going to Oakland instead.

Take care,
CD
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Date: Mon, Jun 9, 1997 at 22:32:04 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
I'm not callous, trying to apoligize or trying to bullshit.

What I realized is that you didn't get what I was trying to express.
This is a common problem with communication.
Misunderstandings.

I am not blaming you.
I often don't express myself clearly enough.

It also turns out that ambiguity is at the heart of language.
I do some work on computerized translation.
Ambiguity in language and communication is a very strong factor that most people take for granted.

Come to think of it, people take a lot for granted.

Yeah, I did read the Celestine Prophecies.
It was O.K.
I am not going on a trip to Peru - g.
I'm going to Oakland instead.

Take care,
CD

When I see these first baby steps towards rational discourse, like any proud father, my heart goes a flutter. Come here, Chris! Come here, boy!! That's a good boy! Look here, mother, look what Chris did. He walked all the way over from the table!

Okay, should I take the above (yours, not mine) to mean that you are actually trying, really trying , to talk fairly about Maharaji?

yes or no ?
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 01:41:17 (EDT)
Poster: op
Email:
To: Deena
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
I stopped posting because:
a) too much other stuff to do - I have a life AND service AND I have to make a living too

b) it gets pretty boring running around in circles all the time

M hasn't mentioned this site specifically, but you'd be surprised how tolerant he is of all the shit you throw at him.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 07:36:24 (EDT)
Poster: Brian
Email:
To: op
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
I stopped posting because:
a) too much other stuff to do - I have a life AND service AND I have to make a living too

b) it gets pretty boring running around in circles all the time

M hasn't mentioned this site specifically, but you'd be surprised how tolerant he is of all the shit you throw at him.

One of the saddest parts about having broken free from the obligation of service, is that I now have time to post here if I choose. I can also read a book, or watch TV, or do any other thing that I choose to do with my life at the time, without having to struggle with whether I should actually be fulfilling some 'higher' obligation of volunteering to be an unpaid servant to someone who has 'given' me the opportunity to serve him. I miss that, of course.

But, I recognize the amount of self-sacrifice required for you to have posted this, and am truly grateful. I deeply miss your omniscient insights into the workings of the mind of The Master. I can only take comfort in knowing that you look in regularly on us to keep up to date on what is happening in this little corner of creation. You probably feel that you're running around in circles all the time. It's like we have this inner connection to you. I am so surprised at just how tolerant you can be of the shit thrown at you, that sometimes I just want to weep...

Sorry (there I go apologizing again). I got you and M confused again. I do that. But then, you do that too. Keep sneaking those peeks.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 09:24:24 (EDT)
Poster: tom
Email:
To: JW
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
actually, when I was reading this I thought it was written
by JW cause of the cool humor.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 11:28:04 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: op
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
I stopped posting because:
a) too much other stuff to do - I have a life AND service AND I have to make a living too

b) it gets pretty boring running around in circles all the time

M hasn't mentioned this site specifically, but you'd be surprised how tolerant he is of all the shit you throw at him.
OP,

You stopped posting becuase you have no integrity. You ran up against some obstacles in your argument and slowly, muttering sweet, bhole shris under your breath, tried to turn around with a smile on your face and split fast, hoping no one noticed.

Call me unfair, but I say you're just show, dear friend. If you're an example of Maharaji's scrupulous devotee, the whole trip's bogus. No wonder you offered such solace to Mili et al. You're no better.

As for Maharaji's tolerance, what were you imagining? That he would lift us all into the sky and turn us blue or something? My oh my.

Go do some other service. You've failed miserably here. When others trace your arguments over time on the archives they'll see the start of a promising dialogue deteriorate into shameless obfuscation. It doesn't matter what you or I think of it even at this point. Your performance speaks for itself.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 16:36:02 (EDT)
Poster: Deena...quack...
Email:
To: All who make me laugh
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Quack,quack,quack...

oh happy, happy, joy, jpy...as Stimpy would say.

I logged on and began laughing within minutes of reading replies to my Thank-you post! It's like a good Seinfield episode.

Chris's timely advise may very well have increased the shitload I have to throw...thanks op for the compliment. It does my so-called heart good to know that I have been throwing shit at Maharaji all this time. And here I thought I was just being sincere, go figure.

JW, my buddy.
As far as knowing how the big M feels, I confess that I misinterpreted the absence of premies because I hadn't had adequate explaination until now. It would seem that between the fix of being with M in the flesh, premies run in circles, then after a few weeks, when that incredable high wears off and the longing begins again, running in circles becomes attractive. I don't miss being a spiritual junkie. But it pissess me off that my old car won't start today and I can't afford my Subaru because I supported M these past 16 years while he drives his Mercedes and others of his fleet.

Brian, what you said was right on.

Jim, I miss you.

I was laughing so hard and long reading this thread I had to comment to my husband that visiting my friends is great 'cause I can be sure to get a good laugh. He probably wishes he could enjoy that too since he has not been meditating as regularly or going to videos either....do you think living with someone who is truly free is inspiring him to leave his cage too? I won't hold my breath but you never know do you. He is too good for M. I use to tell him how good he would be for M but he is too damn good for the likes of him. Mind you if I was a millionaire I'd finance my husbands trips and his offers of service so he could find out first hand that he is a drunken fraud. Sorry op and Chris, but if it isn't true than think of how much fun you'll have rubbing my face in it. I wish I could dare you to rise up to the intimate positions that would reveal today( in your mature years of jugement) what he is really about. The first hand experience worth having, that Mishler and the friends of ex-premies on this site have had. It's time someone new stepped forward and spilt the beans, don't you agree. Take up the challenge. Set out to confirm the accusation that he is a drunk and the truth, whatever that is, will be revealed. But be warned that alcoholics are sometimes on what is called a dry drunk when not drinking and if you attend Alanon or AA meetings you can get a pretty good profile of what to watch for. Also, given that he must be extremely secretive you will have to be very patient and gain his trust, all the while interviewing those who are close who leave.

But maybe knowing that the one you've prayed to is a drunk is too overwhelming. I know it was for me. In time the truth shall set you free. I'm glad that I had already made my exit before finding out who he really is.

I'm glad to see my post got some feedback. Bye for now.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:04:24 (EDT)
Poster: an admirer
Email:
To: Deena
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
youve found the way is to love yourself,be yourself,make your own choices. good for you deena,i a fellow wholly fool salutyou.in fact i dont think the little fat, spoiled brat,deserves our attention.good for you, your free of the vampires spell.premies,lets here your personal storys of all the eye to eye conversations youve had with gmj?he will allow you to ,pay to hear him speak,and see him ,the circus freak he is. go to his door ,go ahead ,he'll have you arrested,at the gates,that you paid for!you poor pathetic fools.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 18:31:18 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: an admirer
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Yes, you're absolutely right. I sat outside his gates one morning after an all-nighter back in my L.A. club days. I'd taken a friend up on a lark while we were driving around. 'Hey, you want to see something?' Next thing we're high up Anacapa drive, sitting on a cliff, looking down at the surf and the rest of God's green acre. There were still balloons on the res walls, the night before was Maharaji's anniversary.

So I sat there and tried to tell my friend that the guy sleeping behind those limp balloons was my former Lord of the Universe. Soon a nice, smileyface drove up with the Sunday paper and some fresh juice for the Lord. She asked what I was doing there. I started to say I felt like I'd bought myself a little piece of the hill but couldn't really articulate much of anything. (Maybe it was the allnighter?).
Anyways, now I'm so glad that I've been able to think this whole thing thorugh so much better. I've also got some of my punctuation back so I wouldn't give up if I were you.

:)
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 21:49:22 (EDT)
Poster: DR. LIGHT
Email: dr.light@aol.com
To: Deena
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
What would be relly cool is to be in a question and answer session with M and thank him in person. I'd love to see his face go from a smile at the word thankyou to being pissed off when he realized that his fake beard didn't fool me...

I love how he gave instruction that this site doen't reflect well on him so the premies have bowed out(my quess)...he is so powerful, now if he could only overpower us. I've heard thunder & lightening storms are just the beginning of the power of his wrath!
Deena,isn,t M suppose to love us more,we are his lost sheep,why doesnt he come to get us with love and peace,take our minds away and show us the way home.he never ever stops loving us,he said.and what are the pemies doing over here mouthing at us ,they should be blissed out,loving us ,giving us sat sang.NOT being nasty and insulting and in the mind,chit chatting,really beneath them.if they are here,they are doudting.
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Date: Tues, Jun 10, 1997 at 23:07:15 (EDT)
Poster: Chris
Email:
To: DR. LIGHT
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Each person gets to make their own choice.
No one is going to come gather you up.
The opportunity is being presented quite clearly.
Everyone here seems to know the pros and cons.

You will reap as you sow.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 07:02:04 (EDT)
Poster: Brian
Email:
To: DR. LIGHT
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
...if [premies] are here,they are doubting.

That's only apparent to the ex-premies, evidently. 'The mind seeks truth', saith the Lard. Lacking it in MJ and the belief system accompanying his drivel, they are forced to seek it elsewhere. Most don't have the courage to post here, though. They mostly just sneak peeks.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 11:58:56 (EDT)
Poster: DR.LIGHT
Email: PREMPAL@AOL.COM
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Each person gets to make their own choice.
No one is going to come gather you up.
The opportunity is being presented quite clearly.
Everyone here seems to know the pros and cons.

You will reap as you sow.

It's time for you to go to see your master personally,eye to eye,tell him how you are getting all the former fools striaghtend out.Im sure he will see you.Give him a call,tell him how much you love him.write him a letter,he'll write you back the most incredible sat sang youve ever read,then tell us all about it.YOU won't do that.WHY,because 1 you'er scared shitless,brainwashed fool,2 you know he wont repspond,cause he knows your a little gutless wimp fool,that can't THINK for yourself.3 you havent got enough love to fill a thimble.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 12:26:35 (EDT)
Poster: goddess anon-da
Email:
To: Brian
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Cynicism is bliss....cynicism is bliss...cynicism gives
me peace....cynicism makes me whole...

Hating Maharaji makes me feel better about myself...

Finding others who hate him brings me joy...

I love spending my free time focussed on my dislike for Maharaji...

Wallowing in resentment and hate brings me fulfillment...
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 13:03:38 (EDT)
Poster: Deena about anger
Email:
To: goddess anon-da
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Cynicism is bliss....cynicism is bliss...cynicism gives
me peace....cynicism makes me whole...

Hating Maharaji makes me feel better about myself...

Finding others who hate him brings me joy...

I love spending my free time focussed on my dislike for Maharaji...

Wallowing in resentment and hate brings me fulfillment...

If you were abused in any way as a human being and suppressed that experience what would happen? People who have left cults have been studied and it has been found that they are victims of Post Tramatic Stress Syndrome, as well as classic burn out symptoms. If you are at all familiar with theset terms you know that healing occurrs and time is a big factor in recovery. Here is a quote from the book Captive Hearts Captive Minds by Tobias:

'The emergence of anger is one of the first signs of recovery. Anger is a normal and healthy reaction to the hurts and assaults that you experienced. Anger is the most appropriate reponse to the abuse and manipulations of the cult. It is also the hardest emotion for some ex-members to get in touch with and deal with. If you feel angry, it means you are now ready to acknowledge that you were victimized, which can be incredibily painful. What was done was heinous-and you are entitled to your rage.

Just as fear is the backbone of mind control, anger is the fuel of recovery. Anger is an extremely valuable tool in healing. It fortifies your sense of what is right by condemning the wrong that was done to you. It gives you the energy and will to get through the ordeal of getting your life back together. Suppression of anger while in the cult contributed to depression and a sense of helplessness. Now the reverse is possible.

Anger can be a double-edged sword, however. It can motivate healing or be turned inward, against the self. Some people may find it easier to blame themselves thatn to use their anger to make necessary life changes. This can result in alcohol or drug use, physical illness, or emotional disorders including depression and suicidal thoughts and behaviors. Anger can also be directed at innocent others. If expressed inappropriately or unconsciously, anger can further a person's isolation. To be used effectively, anger must be focuse on its source-primarily the cult leader.'

I read this when I was pretty much over the worst of my anger but of course there is still stuff that comes out now. Maybe whoever 'goddess anon-da' is, made a funny with this post and I didn't read the thread completely and missed something. Still it was an opprotunity to quote something that helped me understand what I've gone through.

If premies are reading this post, remember that ex-premies are speaking of something you may have not experienced since your trust is still with M. But ex-premies have been premies and they do know what a life of devotion to M is and now they have the experience of life without that devotion. I, for one, do not spend all my time dwelling on M anylonger. But the anger I need to express is very real and this is one of the places to do it. For premies this is seen as shit slinging, and that is because they do not understand or they do not want to understand.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 13:16:19 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Chris
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Each person gets to make their own choice.
No one is going to come gather you up.
The opportunity is being presented quite clearly.
Everyone here seems to know the pros and cons.

You will reap as you sow.

Chris, this is incredible stuff. You should publish. 'Each person gets to make their own choice'. Wow. Do we each get pudding too? Can I have two if there are any left overs?

As for 'clarity' Chris, really, you sure you want to bring this up? Same with the 'pros and cons' as you so inimitably say. What 'cons' Chris?
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 16:23:49 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Deena about anger
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
I really do need to read that book. The "anger" stuff was certainly true for me. After I left the Maharaj Ji cult, the first time I "allowed" myself to feel anger was one of the most liberating experiences of my life. It seemed like anger was the "key" to allowing me to feel anything again. I guess the anger had to come first. I also went through a period when I directed a lot of the anger against myself as well, with some of the symptoms you mentioned, although at the time it didn't seem like that is what I was doing. What I discovered, was that I was STILL programmed to automatically blame myself for everything bad, which was a central part of Maharaj Ji's cult, because nothing negative could ever be attributed to the perfect master. So, without even thinking about it, I was programmed to blame all negative things on myself. I did tend to place blame at times on the "organization" or on other premies, but NEVER on GMJ. I think people like OP, Mili and Chris, as well as probably other premies, still live in that world, and believe it or not, they think that the result is happiness.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 20:11:55 (EDT)
Poster: Fly Ondawall
Email:
To: goddess anon-da
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Cynicism is bliss....cynicism is bliss...cynicism gives
me peace....cynicism makes me whole...

Hating Maharaji makes me feel better about myself...

Finding others who hate him brings me joy...

I love spending my free time focussed on my dislike for Maharaji...

Wallowing in resentment and hate brings me fulfillment...

Deena... you're not the first to feel good about hating. Let's face it, hatred makes us feel real goooood. It's hatred that makes the world the beautiful place that it is... don't you think? And because it is so worthwhile to hate and spread hatred for the cause, I know you'll be rewarded. If you're lucky it'll be more hatred. Maybe you'll get to wallow in it completely. Hey, wouldn't that be a neat way to go, at the hands of somebody's hatred.

'Feel your anger Luke. Feel the power of the dark side.'

...you role model you.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 20:54:52 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: Fly Ondawall
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Cute response, mr or ms fly, but you missed Deena's point entirely.


I think what Deena said, and apparently what you missed, was that if you have been abused, feeling anger against the abuser is the first step to freedom and recovery. Until you do that, you are programmed into the sick state of blaming the victim, in this case yourself.


But she also said that those feelings are only the first step. They feel liberating because they are symptomatic of the fact that you are beginning to break free from the abuser. If you contiune to look at what has happened to you and why, if you look at why you got into, and stayed for as long as you did, in Guru Maharaj Ji's abusive and destructive cult, you move on to getting free from it entirely. And THAT is what feels so gooooood fly, it ain't hatred, it's freedom.
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Date: Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 22:47:08 (EDT)
Poster: tom
Email:
To: Deena about anger
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
thank you
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 01:00:33 (EDT)
Poster: coleta
Email: partylord@nrt.com
To: Deena...quack...
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Quack,quack,quack...

oh happy, happy, joy, jpy...as Stimpy would say.

I logged on and began laughing within minutes of reading replies to my Thank-you post! It's like a good Seinfield episode.

Chris's timely advise may very well have increased the shitload I have to throw...thanks op for the compliment. It does my so-called heart good to know that I have been throwing shit at Maharaji all this time. And here I thought I was just being sincere, go figure.

JW, my buddy.
As far as knowing how the big M feels, I confess that I misinterpreted the absence of premies because I hadn't had adequate explaination until now. It would seem that between the fix of being with M in the flesh, premies run in circles, then after a few weeks, when that incredable high wears off and the longing begins again, running in circles becomes attractive. I don't miss being a spiritual junkie. But it pissess me off that my old car won't start today and I can't afford my Subaru because I supported M these past 16 years while he drives his Mercedes and others of his fleet.

Brian, what you said was right on.

Jim, I miss you.

I was laughing so hard and long reading this thread I had to comment to my husband that visiting my friends is great 'cause I can be sure to get a good laugh. He probably wishes he could enjoy that too since he has not been meditating as regularly or going to videos either....do you think living with someone who is truly free is inspiring him to leave his cage too? I won't hold my breath but you never know do you. He is too good for M. I use to tell him how good he would be for M but he is too damn good for the likes of him. Mind you if I was a millionaire I'd finance my husbands trips and his offers of service so he could find out first hand that he is a drunken fraud. Sorry op and Chris, but if it isn't true than think of how much fun you'll have rubbing my face in it. I wish I could dare you to rise up to the intimate positions that would reveal today( in your mature years of jugement) what he is really about. The first hand experience worth having, that Mishler and the friends of ex-premies on this site have had. It's time someone new stepped forward and spilt the beans, don't you agree. Take up the challenge. Set out to confirm the accusation that he is a drunk and the truth, whatever that is, will be revealed. But be warned that alcoholics are sometimes on what is called a dry drunk when not drinking and if you attend Alanon or AA meetings you can get a pretty good profile of what to watch for. Also, given that he must be extremely secretive you will have to be very patient and gain his trust, all the while interviewing those who are close who leave.

But maybe knowing that the one you've prayed to is a drunk is too overwhelming. I know it was for me. In time the truth shall set you free. I'm glad that I had already made my exit before finding out who he really is.

I'm glad to see my post got some feedback. Bye for now.

HEY,is Durg stll screwing John Hamilton or what?I know she was when M was doing that seventeen year old in that club on sunset.smokin cigs and drinking and leading his double life.Good for you Durg ,get yourself some,you deserve it putting up with all that hype.We love ya
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 01:13:52 (EDT)
Poster: SUSYBI
Email: spankmegood@ooh
To: DR.LIGHT
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Each person gets to make their own choice.
No one is going to come gather you up.
The opportunity is being presented quite clearly.
Everyone here seems to know the pros and cons.

You will reap as you sow.

It's time for you to go to see your master personally,eye to eye,tell him how you are getting all the former fools striaghtend out.Im sure he will see you.Give him a call,tell him how much you love him.write him a letter,he'll write you back the most incredible sat sang youve ever read,then tell us all about it.YOU won't do that.WHY,because 1 you'er scared shitless,brainwashed fool,2 you know he wont repspond,cause he knows your a little gutless wimp fool,that can't THINK for yourself.3 you havent got enough love to fill a thimble.
gOD YOU ARE SO COOL ,DR.LIGHT ,can i kiss your feet? I surrender myself to you.This submissives,and dom,stuff is so cool.M is the biggest dom,if only he would beat us like srihans did his submissives,things would be divine,that cane on my back,i bleed for you M.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 05:25:32 (EDT)
Poster: Brian
Email:
To: coleta
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
HEY,is Durg stll screwing John Hamilton or what?I know she was when M was doing that seventeen year old in that club on sunset.smokin cigs and drinking and leading his double life. Good for you Durg ,get yourself some,you deserve it putting up with all that hype. We love ya

Naw. Seems Mr. and Mrs. underwent marriage counseling. All better now. At least he isn't going to let some quack fool around with HIS life. Went to someone who didn't inherit his qualifications from 'Dad', ya know?
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 12:49:03 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: coleta
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
In the 80s, when Guru Maharaj Ji was out screwing other women, I have it on good authority by someone who was there, that Durga Ji had an affair with the premie who was her driver. I don't recall his name, but he was one of those handsome, all-American residence premies with Malibu blonde hair and who resembled a Ken doll. I understand that he had to take the blunt of the affair and was forced to leave the residence in disgrace.


I guess the marriage counseling for the lord and Mrs. Ji, came sometime after that, or else it didn't work too well.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 19:29:08 (EDT)
Poster: op
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
You stopped posting becuase you have no integrity. You ran up against some obstacles in your argument and slowly, muttering sweet, bhole shris under your breath, tried to turn around with a smile on your face and split fast, hoping no one noticed.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Jim. I actually stopped posting because I discovered that I was spending so much time reading here that I fell days behind in my work, which is the source of income for several people. Rather than let them starve, and myself to boot, I decided to spend rather less time on this site and more with my nose in a book, so to speak.

As for my failing miserably here, I get the feeling that if I spent day and night for 30 years, we'd still get nowhere. I've tried to be honest, but that's not what you want. You want people to join your side, and unless they do, they have no credibility in your world.

'If 30 maids with 30 brooms, swept it for half a year, do you believe' the walrus said, 'the sand would disappear?'

But the dialogue isn't quite over...why don't we just let a few things take shape this year, like the events that M is doing all over the world in the next few months, and if premies and exes can keep their eyes truly open, something might come of all this, after all.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 20:20:14 (EDT)
Poster: Brian
Email:
To: op
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
But the dialogue isn't quite over...why don't we just let a few things take shape this year, like the events that M is doing all over the world in the next few months, and if premies and exes can keep their eyes truly open, something might come of all this, after all.

You are expecting maybe some great announcement to happen this year?

Preminess is living on the verge. There's always going to be this 'great' event scheduled. The thread of Great Expectations stretches from GMJ's arrival in the West, on into the far distant future. The key phrase is constant throughtout - 'something might come of this'. I'm amazed that full-grown adults keep sneaking back to their empty stockings (day after day, year after year) to see what Santa might have brought. Nothing? Well, maybe tomorrow. Meanwhile, he's getting richer, and you're getting older.

Is there no drawing of any lesson from the great circling around in your life, Opie? Are you really happy with your role as Judas Sheep to the SadGuru? At what point did the non-premies in your life learn to let you talk about MJ without saying anything to discourage you, knowing they were talking to the blowing wind? Personal credibility is a resource that just doesn't replenish itself after a few days/weeks off. I doubt that it works any different in your own 'life' than it does here. You don't post for a few days, and people here are supposed to believe anything you say now? Having completely forgotten your previous gibberish rationalizations for spending your life stuck in a hopefull pranam?

This is real life on this site, Opie. This isn't the Millenium.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 20:52:48 (EDT)
Poster: inthaknow
Email: betwweenthaknees
To: JW
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
In the 80s, when Guru Maharaj Ji was out screwing other women, I have it on good authority by someone who was there, that Durga Ji had an affair with the premie who was her driver. I don't recall his name, but he was one of those handsome, all-American residence premies with Malibu blonde hair and who resembled a Ken doll. I understand that he had to take the blunt of the affair and was forced to leave the residence in disgrace.


I guess the marriage counseling for the lord and Mrs. Ji, came sometime after that, or else it didn't work too well.
COULD THAT HAVE BEEN DANNY BLOOD?I think maybe.What people will do for money!She knows its all a bunch of crap,but she ain't leavin that gravy train!Shoppin spreeees,limodrivers between tha knees,how sweet the premie monry spends,and theres more where that came from!HELL,we'll have another wholly program,keep haven'um,cause it's all been worked out in percentages,that so many progams=so many new fools on boa
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:14:34 (EDT)
Poster: BETWEENTHAKNEEES
Email: athafeetoftha
To: DR.LIGHT
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Each person gets to make their own choice.
No one is going to come gather you up.
The opportunity is being presented quite clearly.
Everyone here seems to know the pros and cons.

You will reap as you sow.

It's time for you to go to see your master personally,eye to eye,tell him how you are getting all the former fools striaghtend out.Im sure he will see you.Give him a call,tell him how much you love him.write him a letter,he'll write you back the most incredible sat sang youve ever read,then tell us all about it.YOU won't do that.WHY,because 1 you'er scared shitless,brainwashed fool,2 you know he wont repspond,cause he knows your a little gutless wimp fool,that can't THINK for yourself.3 you havent got enough love to fill a thimble.
GOD,DR.LIGHT,Whered you learn to talk like that?I love you ,man...your words are like gold on silver.I believe that the durg has sold out,at least princess DI had some dignity,she couldN'T even take the shit for bigger bucks.I had more respect for the durg when she was a hippie!Well,at least she got her some fun.and its all keepT quiet,cause?donations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!premies gotta see tha big lie so they will keep on giving,and giving so they can live like millionaires on the hill in fucking MALIBOO!REMEMBER WHEN THEY WERE BEGGING IN 79 ,CAUSE M AND DURG,DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO EAT AND HARDLY ANY CLOTHES TO WEAR?AND PREMIES DUG DEEP IN THEIR INFINATE POCKETS AND HELPED THE POOR STARVIN THINGS.......I WAS CALLED OVER ONE DAY TO DO SOME SERVICE,SOON AFTER THAT,TO A HUGH GARAGE,TO PUT IN A NEW SECURITY DOOR AND WHAT DO YOU THINK I SAW IN THAT GARAGE,COME ON NOW HOLLY FOOLS, YOU CAN TAKE A GUESS!HEY! HEY! HEY! AS RON GOLDMAN PUT IT....AT LEAST 30 EXPENSIVE CARS,YES DEENA THE ASTIN MARTIN WAS THERE,AND THE SCARABE,AND YES JIM THE HOLLY MOBILE HOME WAS THERE TO,and yes SCOTT, the big blue mercedes was there,no i didn't even see one SUBEROO SORRY,they probably had it way in the back.SO,you see present fools you must understand why these former fools are asking these questions!they paid for these cars,out of their own pockets,believing all these lies,we were helping save the world,bring peace to the world...we believed his lies.Those cars were somehow going to make peace,they are just props in the illusion to helpM save the world,He doesn't cre about those cars,or boats,he's way beyound all that.Then another day i was at the res. doing security and a car pulls up out comes an older couple,and out the door comes ,you guessed it THE LORD HIMSELF,yes indeed!running down the walk,i THOUGHT to myself,and i was down to 4 a day,who in the hell could this be? srihans reincarnated and his master reincarnated ,dressed in drag!! gotta be!NO it was joe gould and his wife,comming for dinner,man,M,hugged and cheek kissed and ooed and awed,excuse me fellow fools,i gotta go throw up.,,ok,feel better.regugitating these holly memoies is like? sliding on a razors edege.hey,fools i was waiting for him to do a full buhuda belly flop prostation,right there at joe goulds feet....then arm in arm M in the middle they duck walked inside.So i gots all night to try and keep out of my mind about this!...follow your breath fool,tounge back,in and out follow the ball of light in your chest....hey he ain't no premie ,don't have knowledge,ant doing service,don't meditate,and he goes walsin in the holly gates....we'll scum fool you are of the lower caste system see...servant of the rich and powerful....gould is a millionare,the lords,trying to grt some of that money to bring peace to the world,get the big picture.now if i walked up there and said nicely maraji can i have dinner with you and your guest? What do you think would happen?...to everyone????
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:26:28 (EDT)
Poster: A REAL PREMIE
Email: REAL TO REAL@NET.COM
To: an admirer
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
youve found the way is to love yourself,be yourself,make your own choices. good for you deena,i a fellow wholly fool salutyou.in fact i dont think the little fat, spoiled brat,deserves our attention.good for you, your free of the vampires spell.premies,lets here your personal storys of all the eye to eye conversations youve had with gmj?he will allow you to ,pay to hear him speak,and see him ,the circus freak he is. go to his door ,go ahead ,he'll have you arrested,at the gates,that you paid for!you poor pathetic fools.
I KNOW MY MARAJI WOULD HAVE ME COME INSIDE,TALK TO ME ,GIVE ME SAT SANG,AND SHOWER ME WITH LOVE,............AND TOMARROW I'M GOING TO GO TO THE RESIDENCE AND SEE HIM AND SHOW YOU JUST HOW,INCREDIBLY WRONG YOU ARE.i WILL WRITE HERE ALL THE FANTASTIC BLISSFULL THINGS THAT HAPPEN JUST TO SHOW YOU LOST LITTLE SOULS,THE REAL TRUTH OF OUR LORD.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:36:10 (EDT)
Poster: YoYo
Email:
To: BETWEENTHAKNEEES
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Do you have any new news on M's $30M camp in Nigeria?
How is the trash can grub these days?
You must have been worked pretty hard.
Have you had enough rest yet.
What is your new cause? Jim has some new instructions for you.
Keep those CAPS coming. More for merry. Happy days. Bravo.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:44:36 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: BETWEENTHAKNEEES
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Sir,
I salute your candour. Not your punctuation, your candour. And your guts which seem to be turning. Really, man, good for you. I'd like to buy you a drink. Maybe, one day we'll all do just that. Picture it, a big post-premie party, drinks, laughs, major indignation, mild indigestion.... and then, back to our hotel rooms.... the quiet, the sense that we really did get fooled. Oh well. Couldda happened to anyone. Couldda been worse. Really, bro, I'm with you. (Just don't call me bro').

Now, some questions: 1) who's Joe Gould? I've heard the name but can't place it.

2) I don't really remember the 'two cents a day can keep our Lord fed and clothed properly' campaign of '79. Maybe, but not really. Care to refresh my memory? Thanks.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:50:36 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: YoYo
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Do you have any new news on M's $30M camp in Nigeria?
How is the trash can grub these days?
You must have been worked pretty hard.
Have you had enough rest yet.
What is your new cause? Jim has some new instructions for you.
Keep those CAPS coming. More for merry. Happy days. Bravo.

What part of Mr. whatchamacallit's little story do you take issue with? Is it the fund drive for Maharaji's welfare even while he had an obscene collection of expensive cars? (I'm not sure about that myself, but wouldn't you like to know the truth of the matter?)

Is it Maharaji's obsequious fawning over a common human being? (There, too, I'm not exactly clear on what he's talking about but, again, don't you care?)

Be fair, anonymous asshole, Mr. Whosit isn't parading the Nigeria story. He has his own. Do you take issue with them? If so, get on with it. What are you waiting for? A sense of humour?
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 22:55:20 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: A REAL PREMIE
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Please, not block letters. Otherwise, you just do that. I can't wait.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 12, 1997 at 23:34:35 (EDT)
Poster: ASTIN MARTIN
Email: NOGAS/@EMTY.COM
To: coleta
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Quack,quack,quack...

oh happy, happy, joy, jpy...as Stimpy would say.

I logged on and began laughing within minutes of reading replies to my Thank-you post! It's like a good Seinfield episode.

Chris's timely advise may very well have increased the shitload I have to throw...thanks op for the compliment. It does my so-called heart good to know that I have been throwing shit at Maharaji all this time. And here I thought I was just being sincere, go figure.

JW, my buddy.
As far as knowing how the big M feels, I confess that I misinterpreted the absence of premies because I hadn't had adequate explaination until now. It would seem that between the fix of being with M in the flesh, premies run in circles, then after a few weeks, when that incredable high wears off and the longing begins again, running in circles becomes attractive. I don't miss being a spiritual junkie. But it pissess me off that my old car won't start today and I can't afford my Subaru because I supported M these past 16 years while he drives his Mercedes and others of his fleet.

Brian, what you said was right on.

Jim, I miss you.

I was laughing so hard and long reading this thread I had to comment to my husband that visiting my friends is great 'cause I can be sure to get a good laugh. He probably wishes he could enjoy that too since he has not been meditating as regularly or going to videos either....do you think living with someone who is truly free is inspiring him to leave his cage too? I won't hold my breath but you never know do you. He is too good for M. I use to tell him how good he would be for M but he is too damn good for the likes of him. Mind you if I was a millionaire I'd finance my husbands trips and his offers of service so he could find out first hand that he is a drunken fraud. Sorry op and Chris, but if it isn't true than think of how much fun you'll have rubbing my face in it. I wish I could dare you to rise up to the intimate positions that would reveal today( in your mature years of jugement) what he is really about. The first hand experience worth having, that Mishler and the friends of ex-premies on this site have had. It's time someone new stepped forward and spilt the beans, don't you agree. Take up the challenge. Set out to confirm the accusation that he is a drunk and the truth, whatever that is, will be revealed. But be warned that alcoholics are sometimes on what is called a dry drunk when not drinking and if you attend Alanon or AA meetings you can get a pretty good profile of what to watch for. Also, given that he must be extremely secretive you will have to be very patient and gain his trust, all the while interviewing those who are close who leave.

But maybe knowing that the one you've prayed to is a drunk is too overwhelming. I know it was for me. In time the truth shall set you free. I'm glad that I had already made my exit before finding out who he really is.

I'm glad to see my post got some feedback. Bye for now.

HEY,is Durg stll screwing John Hamilton or what?I know she was when M was doing that seventeen year old in that club on sunset.smokin cigs and drinking and leading his double life.Good for you Durg ,get yourself some,you deserve it putting up with all that hype.We love ya
LET'S SEE, HOW MANY SUBAROOS WILL MAHARAJI'S ASTIN MARTIN BUY OUR FELLOW FOOL?500?WHAT ABOUT THE STATMENT m MADE THAT BY 1986 ALL OUR GAS RESERVES WOULD BE FINISHED.NEVER HAPPENED,HE CAN SAY ANYTHING ,TAKE ANOTHER SWIG THERE PREMPAL,AND CALL ME IN THE MORNING.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 01:36:53 (EDT)
Poster: op
Email:
To: Brian
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
No, no great pronouncements. No great apocalypse. But then, I never thought there would be. I wasn't one of the millenium-ites. To me it was just another program, and I already posted a rather long note about that - about how I was a bit worried that all these people had absurd expectations of something otherworldly.

No living on the verge. My life is still a rollercoaster on one level - things keep happening that are inspiring and that are painful.

I was simply mentioning that you guys, before casting your next few stones, might decide to wait a bit and see in which diretion M is moving.

And when I talked about going round and round in circles, I was talking about the ex's on this page, not myself. You like the analogy, huh?


And forget about the getting richer part. He's getting older, I'm getting older. It's kind of fun watching M and realizing he's grown up now. But no one's getting richer, unless it's Bill Gates and his cronies you're tracking.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 01:43:21 (EDT)
Poster: op
Email:
To: Brian
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
One of the saddest parts about having broken free from the obligation of service, is that I now have time to post here if I choose. I can also read a book, or watch TV, or do any other thing that I choose to do with my life at the time, without having to struggle with whether I should actually be fulfilling some 'higher' obligation of volunteering to be an unpaid servant to someone who has 'given' me the opportunity to serve him. I miss that, of course.

Maybe you're independently wealthy. I'm not. I have to work for a living, and spending as much time as I did posting the first few weeks actually put me in jeopardy of losing my job. It was a wonderful new hobby, but doesn't pay off.

As for reading, watching tv, etc. - to each his own. Sometimes I read for 12 hrs straight. Sometimes I play computer games all night. Sometimes I go bowling with my kids. And sometimes I get to (yes, Get To!) help out at an event M is having, and that's where I have the most fun.

Different strokes....
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 09:48:27 (EDT)
Poster: Brian
Email:
To: op
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
I was simply mentioning that you guys, before casting your next few stones, might decide to wait a bit and see in which diretion M is moving.

You have a point. He IS a slippery little moving target. Perhaps that would be best, to ensure that I can bounce one directly off his old bean. But then I gotta allow for the hot winds that blow from him too... I can see the value now in just blindly following along behind him.

And forget about the getting richer part. He's getting older, I'm getting older. It's kind of fun watching M and realizing he's grown up now. But no one's getting richer, unless it's Bill Gates and his cronies you're tracking.

Right. Someday you'll have to have me over to look at the photo album...
'Junior has certainly grown over the years. This is him stepping off his first private jet, and strolling past the pranamming ground crew. This is him mowing the lawn to earn money to buy a summer camp. Here's where we switched over to wide-angle lenses. Here he is acquiring his umpteenth car. He was so proud of that ole jalopy. This is him on Prom Night. The Krishna outfit was a rental, of course.'
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 11:28:29 (EDT)
Poster: Deena to op
Email:
To: op
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
One of the saddest parts about having broken free from the obligation of service, is that I now have time to post here if I choose. I can also read a book, or watch TV, or do any other thing that I choose to do with my life at the time, without having to struggle with whether I should actually be fulfilling some 'higher' obligation of volunteering to be an unpaid servant to someone who has 'given' me the opportunity to serve him. I miss that, of course.

Maybe you're independently wealthy. I'm not. I have to work for a living, and spending as much time as I did posting the first few weeks actually put me in jeopardy of losing my job. It was a wonderful new hobby, but doesn't pay off.

As for reading, watching tv, etc. - to each his own. Sometimes I read for 12 hrs straight. Sometimes I play computer games all night. Sometimes I go bowling with my kids. And sometimes I get to (yes, Get To!) help out at an event M is having, and that's where I have the most fun.

Different strokes....
Don't let your kids read that their mother has more fun helping out at an event with MJ than bowling with them. I know that the 'different strokes' you refer to is something my son is happy I'm rid of. And I'm enjoying the freedom of the fact that no matter what I'm doing that that is the most fun. It's nice not to have some exclusive experience in my life that makes the rest fun but not as much fun, if you know what I mean.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 12:27:51 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: inthaknow
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
That name, Danny Blood, sounds right, but I'm not sure. He had that Malibu surfer look, right? But somehow I have the idea that he left the residence while I was still a premie and I'm pretty sure Durga Ji's affair with this premie happened a few years after that.


As for why Durga Ji stays, who knows? Certainly there are the kids and certainly there is the gravy train, but she might really care about GMJ as a person, or maybe she is really really programmed herself and believes she is married to the messiah of our time.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 12:56:43 (EDT)
Poster: JW
Email:
To: BETWEENTHAKNEEES
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Disgusting, isn't it. If you had lots of money, even if you thought GMJ was nothing more than an interesting businessman, you were on Maharaj Ji's "A" list and he would devote all kinds of attention to you, because you had something to give him that he wanted in quantities greater than most premies: money. If you were just a premie with no assets, but were devoting you entire life to him, well, he probably would never even talk to you. That's where Guru Mahrarj Ji's priorities always were. "What can I, personally get out of this. What can this person do for me?"


Wasn't Joe Gould the owner of the Kitteridge building in Denver? Wasn't that the connection? I know GMJ spent a lot of time with him, but we were told GMJ was propogating knowledge to him. I guess GMJ considered him a big catch because of all his resources. Unfortunately, if you didn't have money, or weren't in the "inner circle" he never paid any attention to you.


I always did find it disgusting that GMJ was never willing to give up even one of his expensive toys for the purpose of spreading knowledge. He always asked for more money from the premies, most of whom had very little to begin with and became poorer the longer they remained premies. As a community coordinator, I can remember pleading for money from the community premies for some new expensive toy, house, property for GMJ. I feel bad about some of that now, because I used guilt to get people to give money sometimes. To wit:


"Guru Mahrarj Ji has given you the greatest, most priceless gift. He is asking that you have faith in him and to trust him. Can't you give back to him just a little to show that gratitude? Guru Maharaj Ji is all-powerful, he will take care of you. I just pray that I will have the faith to put my livelihood on the edge and trust the Guru Maharaj Ji will take care of me. That's what being a devotee is all about. blahblah, blah, blahblah, blah."


And I knew many premies with kids who were already terribly in debt from prior fundrasing and going to festivals, dig deeper, go further into debt and give more money to GMJ. I saw this happen all the time.


So, GMJ got another luxury car (he had OVER 30 at any one time), another plane, another residence, another $5,000 suit, another $500 tie. And he is having dinner with Joe Gould who saw him as just a peculiar man, at the residence instead of the premie who just put their livelihood on the line for him. What a jerk.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 13:13:57 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: op
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
OP, why in the world should we watch Maharaji? What are you expecting, a NEW commemorative spoon, perhaps? Another whitewashed, Orwellian bathetic nastalgia/fleece fest? Another song penned directly from the and of the lover of all lovers? Another divine baby, perhaps?

Oh, I know: Maharaji's going to finally get some land for all of us to get together! Is that it? Alright! (I bet Maharaji would love to rent some quite, isolated camp site for a weekend for a little festival for all us manmots, huh?)

What in the world are you talking about? Is Maharaji going to salvage his mission to save the world like Paul Newman did his legal career in the Verdict? I can see it now -- Maharaji goes to the liquor cabinet -- then turns away! 'Durga Ji', he calls. She's in the living room watching TV. 'He hasn't called me that in years' she thinks. 'Get me my Krishna crown!' Instantly she realizes that he's back. At last, the Lord is on the move!

How about you, OP? How long will you wait before you start casting stones? Forever? Not so strange. Religion's like that.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 14:17:19 (EDT)
Poster: PORN MOVIE
Email: TAKE 2@NET.COM
To: Deena about anger
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Cynicism is bliss....cynicism is bliss...cynicism gives
me peace....cynicism makes me whole...

Hating Maharaji makes me feel better about myself...

Finding others who hate him brings me joy...

I love spending my free time focussed on my dislike for Maharaji...

Wallowing in resentment and hate brings me fulfillment...

If you were abused in any way as a human being and suppressed that experience what would happen? People who have left cults have been studied and it has been found that they are victims of Post Tramatic Stress Syndrome, as well as classic burn out symptoms. If you are at all familiar with theset terms you know that healing occurrs and time is a big factor in recovery. Here is a quote from the book Captive Hearts Captive Minds by Tobias:

'The emergence of anger is one of the first signs of recovery. Anger is a normal and healthy reaction to the hurts and assaults that you experienced. Anger is the most appropriate reponse to the abuse and manipulations of the cult. It is also the hardest emotion for some ex-members to get in touch with and deal with. If you feel angry, it means you are now ready to acknowledge that you were victimized, which can be incredibily painful. What was done was heinous-and you are entitled to your rage.

Just as fear is the backbone of mind control, anger is the fuel of recovery. Anger is an extremely valuable tool in healing. It fortifies your sense of what is right by condemning the wrong that was done to you. It gives you the energy and will to get through the ordeal of getting your life back together. Suppression of anger while in the cult contributed to depression and a sense of helplessness. Now the reverse is possible.

Anger can be a double-edged sword, however. It can motivate healing or be turned inward, against the self. Some people may find it easier to blame themselves thatn to use their anger to make necessary life changes. This can result in alcohol or drug use, physical illness, or emotional disorders including depression and suicidal thoughts and behaviors. Anger can also be directed at innocent others. If expressed inappropriately or unconsciously, anger can further a person's isolation. To be used effectively, anger must be focuse on its source-primarily the cult leader.'

I read this when I was pretty much over the worst of my anger but of course there is still stuff that comes out now. Maybe whoever 'goddess anon-da' is, made a funny with this post and I didn't read the thread completely and missed something. Still it was an opprotunity to quote something that helped me understand what I've gone through.

If premies are reading this post, remember that ex-premies are speaking of something you may have not experienced since your trust is still with M. But ex-premies have been premies and they do know what a life of devotion to M is and now they have the experience of life without that devotion. I, for one, do not spend all my time dwelling on M anylonger. But the anger I need to express is very real and this is one of the places to do it. For premies this is seen as shit slinging, and that is because they do not understand or they do not want to understand.

Doesn't reflect well on him?Is he out of his drunken mind ,or what? Kinda feel like poor Linda Lovelace,in deep throat,she was in the movie,but later said she was brainwashed into it,anyway a strange position to be in,like the former fools find themselves in. Doesn't reflect well on him,i heard this is his favorite site!The one who dips his bread!What about us,i don't think he reflects well on us.we told our families,friends, everyone THE LORD has come to save us,to save the world,have you lost your mind! yes!Dad,and it's incredible...I stood talking to my aunt Betty in the freezing cold,they were trying to leave,and i had them in the ole premie lock, he's everything,he's infinate and every thing else is finate,we 're not our bodies,or our minds,we're so much more than that we're,look dear we have to go we loveyou...poor fool so mixed up...this wholly farse,so he could make some money, doesn't reflect well on us!all that twisted mind warping crapola,so he can be a pretend movie star in maliboo!angry? me why should i be angry?just because he raped our souls for money?played with our lives like toys,ripped us of for everything he could,and our dignity as well so he could be the big shot on the hill.We need to let that anger out and let clean air blow through.I bet you mataji said the same thing about him,he doesn't reflect well on me.It's all just a money making game,thats all.it's a shame he needs to us the fools to make his money,for his bussiness.What ever happened to the airplane fixing up bussiness,that joe helped him start? wish he could find a more lucrative bussiness,so he would't have to rape souls for a living! LINDA
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 14:30:31 (EDT)
Poster: GMJ ON TV !!!!!
Email: gmj saves the world@??????
To: inthaknow
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
In the 80s, when Guru Maharaj Ji was out screwing other women, I have it on good authority by someone who was there, that Durga Ji had an affair with the premie who was her driver. I don't recall his name, but he was one of those handsome, all-American residence premies with Malibu blonde hair and who resembled a Ken doll. I understand that he had to take the blunt of the affair and was forced to leave the residence in disgrace.


I guess the marriage counseling for the lord and Mrs. Ji, came sometime after that, or else it didn't work too well.
COULD THAT HAVE BEEN DANNY BLOOD?I think maybe.What people will do for money!She knows its all a bunch of crap,but she ain't leavin that gravy train!Shoppin spreeees,limodrivers between tha knees,how sweet the premie monry spends,and theres more where that came from!HELL,we'll have another wholly program,keep haven'um,cause it's all been worked out in percentages,that so many progams=so many new fools on boa
ANYONE REMEMBER HIM SAYING THIS AT A PROGRAM?soon, the premies will only be able to see me on TV.all the leaders of the world will be totally lost and come to me for leadership!and you and the rest of the world will only be able to see me on televison!!!! ahh...did you hear that fellow fool? heavy stuff,and we are apart of it all,and that's the way it is....
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 20:38:04 (EDT)
Poster: subaroo
Email: mmmmm?????mmmmm?????
To: ASTIN MARTIN
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Quack,quack,quack...

oh happy, happy, joy, jpy...as Stimpy would say.

I logged on and began laughing within minutes of reading replies to my Thank-you post! It's like a good Seinfield episode.

Chris's timely advise may very well have increased the shitload I have to throw...thanks op for the compliment. It does my so-called heart good to know that I have been throwing shit at Maharaji all this time. And here I thought I was just being sincere, go figure.

JW, my buddy.
As far as knowing how the big M feels, I confess that I misinterpreted the absence of premies because I hadn't had adequate explaination until now. It would seem that between the fix of being with M in the flesh, premies run in circles, then after a few weeks, when that incredable high wears off and the longing begins again, running in circles becomes attractive. I don't miss being a spiritual junkie. But it pissess me off that my old car won't start today and I can't afford my Subaru because I supported M these past 16 years while he drives his Mercedes and others of his fleet.

Brian, what you said was right on.

Jim, I miss you.

I was laughing so hard and long reading this thread I had to comment to my husband that visiting my friends is great 'cause I can be sure to get a good laugh. He probably wishes he could enjoy that too since he has not been meditating as regularly or going to videos either....do you think living with someone who is truly free is inspiring him to leave his cage too? I won't hold my breath but you never know do you. He is too good for M. I use to tell him how good he would be for M but he is too damn good for the likes of him. Mind you if I was a millionaire I'd finance my husbands trips and his offers of service so he could find out first hand that he is a drunken fraud. Sorry op and Chris, but if it isn't true than think of how much fun you'll have rubbing my face in it. I wish I could dare you to rise up to the intimate positions that would reveal today( in your mature years of jugement) what he is really about. The first hand experience worth having, that Mishler and the friends of ex-premies on this site have had. It's time someone new stepped forward and spilt the beans, don't you agree. Take up the challenge. Set out to confirm the accusation that he is a drunk and the truth, whatever that is, will be revealed. But be warned that alcoholics are sometimes on what is called a dry drunk when not drinking and if you attend Alanon or AA meetings you can get a pretty good profile of what to watch for. Also, given that he must be extremely secretive you will have to be very patient and gain his trust, all the while interviewing those who are close who leave.

But maybe knowing that the one you've prayed to is a drunk is too overwhelming. I know it was for me. In time the truth shall set you free. I'm glad that I had already made my exit before finding out who he really is.

I'm glad to see my post got some feedback. Bye for now.

HEY,is Durg stll screwing John Hamilton or what?I know she was when M was doing that seventeen year old in that club on sunset.smokin cigs and drinking and leading his double life.Good for you Durg ,get yourself some,you deserve it putting up with all that hype.We love ya
LET'S SEE, HOW MANY SUBAROOS WILL MAHARAJI'S ASTIN MARTIN BUY OUR FELLOW FOOL?500?WHAT ABOUT THE STATMENT m MADE THAT BY 1986 ALL OUR GAS RESERVES WOULD BE FINISHED.NEVER HAPPENED,HE CAN SAY ANYTHING ,TAKE ANOTHER SWIG THERE PREMPAL,AND CALL ME IN THE MORNING.
if he was real,drove an old subaroo,and walked with us ,was a part of us in those days,wore flanel shirts and beamed out love ,hey ,i would have thought more of him.Its always hes to good for any lowly premies that pay his way and buy his 600 dollar suits,to impress himself.Who's he think he's foolin ,?part of the bussiness plan.He's to good to be here with us human slobs,go home,and sit in the light,and leave us alone here,you soul sucking vampire.
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Date: Fri, Jun 13, 1997 at 21:25:53 (EDT)
Poster: Bill Cooper
Email:
To: a real premie
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
And please real premie. When you stand out in the rain for eight hours and then the security guys tell you to fuck off dont come back and write a load of fantasy shit. Thats one of the things that premies do almost without self awareness lie to protect Maharaji.
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Date: Sat, Jun 14, 1997 at 09:30:24 (EDT)
Poster: Exactly JW ....Deena
Email:
To: JW
Subject: Re: Thank you Maharaji
Message:
Disgusting, isn't it. If you had lots of money, even if you thought GMJ was nothing more than an interesting businessman, you were on Maharaj Ji's 'A' list and he would devote all kinds of attention to you, because you had something to give him that he wanted in quantities greater than most premies: money. If you were just a premie with no assets, but were devoting you entire life to him, well, he probably would never even talk to you. That's where Guru Mahrarj Ji's priorities always were. 'What can I, personally get out of this. What can this person do for me?'


Wasn't Joe Gould the owner of the Kitteridge building in Denver? Wasn't that the connection? I know GMJ spent a lot of time with him, but we were told GMJ was propogating knowledge to him. I guess GMJ considered him a big catch because of all his resources. Unfortunately, if you didn't have money, or weren't in the 'inner circle' he never paid any attention to you.


I always did find it disgusting that GMJ was never willing to give up even one of his expensive toys for the purpose of spreading knowledge. He always asked for more money from the premies, most of whom had very little to begin with and became poorer the longer they remained premies. As a community coordinator, I can remember pleading for money from the community premies for some new expensive toy, house, property for GMJ. I feel bad about some of that now, because I used guilt to get people to give money sometimes. To wit:


'Guru Mahrarj Ji has given you the greatest, most priceless gift. He is asking that you have faith in him and to trust him. Can't you give back to him just a little to show that gratitude? Guru Maharaj Ji is all-powerful, he will take care of you. I just pray that I will have the faith to put my livelihood on the edge and trust the Guru Maharaj Ji will take care of me. That's what being a devotee is all about. blahblah, blah, blahblah, blah.'


And I knew many premies with kids who were already terribly in debt from prior fundrasing and going to festivals, dig deeper, go further into debt and give more money to GMJ. I saw this happen all the time.


So, GMJ got another luxury car (he had OVER 30 at any one time), another plane, another residence, another $5,000 suit, another $500 tie. And he is having dinner with Joe Gould who saw him as just a peculiar man, at the residence instead of the premie who just put their livelihood on the line for him. What a jerk.
E X A C T L Y !
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