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Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 01:24:48 (EST)
Poster: David Email: djulian@cix.compulink.co.uk To: Everyone Subject: Man's best friend Message: Bill's comment about not wanting to meet Maharaji at the end reminded me of this account I read about Bryce Bond's near death experience. It certainly blows a few concepts about life after death. Forget anything that Maharaji may have said about this, he really has no idea at all. The reality is very different to his Hindu philosphy. Much more warm and loving and nothing to worry about. Here's Bryce Bond's experience: Several years before his death, Bryce Bond, a famous New York City media personality turned parapsychologist, shared with me the story of what happened to him when he once collapsed after a violent allergic reaction to pine nuts and was rushed to a hospital. He remembered suddenly passing through a long tunnel toward a brilliant light, and then (pages 13-14, paperback version, "BEYOND THE LIGHT"): "I hear a bark, and racing toward me is a dog I once had, a black poodle named Pepe. When I see him, I feel an emotional floodgate open. Tears fill my eyes. He jumps into my arms, licking my face. As I hold him, he is real, more real than I had ever experienced him. I can smell him, feel him, hear his breathing, and sense his great joy at being with me again. "I put my dog on the ground, and step forward to embrace my stepfather, when a very strong voice is heard in my consciousness. Not yet, it says. I scream out, Why? Then this inner voice says, What have you learned, and whom have you helped? I am dumb-founded. The voice seems to be from without as well as within. Everything stops for a moment. I have to think of what was asked of me. I cannot answer what I have learned, but I can answer whom I have helped. "I feel the presence of my dog around me as I ponder those two questions. Then I hear barking, and other dogs appear, dogs I once had. As I stand there for what seems to be an eternity. I want to embrace and be absorbed and merge. I want to stay. The sensation of not wanting to come back is overwhelming." Bryce was also greeted by all of his relatives who had passed on before him. He experienced these loved ones as somewhat younger in form and face than when he had last seen them, healthier and happier. He remembered racing backward through the same tunnel he had entered when it was time to leave and reviving in time to witness a hypodermic needle being plunged into his arm. "I heard a voice say, 'Welcome back." I never asked who said that nor did I care. I was told by the doctor that I had been dead for over ten minutes." Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 14:57:23 (EST)
Poster: Jim Email: To: David Subject: Pirate post again (re BBJ) (Re: Man's best friend) Message: Sorry, I just can't start a new thread anymore. Maybe 'Katie' (Mili ?) has something to do with that. Anyway, I sent the following message to all the English-speaking Indian newspapers I could find online: Just to let you know, I sent the following message to the editors of all the English-speaking Indian newspapers I could find: Dear Sir or Madam: http://www.ex-premie.org is a web page run by the former followers of Prem Pal Singh Rawat, the once young Indian guru who made quite a splash in the west in the early seventies. Originally from Hardwar, I believe, he and his family claimed to be 'divine' and he, in particular, asserted that he was Guru Maharaj Ji, the Lord of the Universe! His organization, Divine Light Mission, hosted a number of events. The most famous, however, was called Millenium '73 at the Astrodome in Houston, Texas. There, Maharaji was supposed to usher in a 'thousand years of peace' for all mankind. Grandiose? Of course. Ridiculous? Absolutely. Still, we westerners were quite taken with the Indian spiritual mystique back then. A lot of us were simply taken. The reason I write is that it has come to our attention that his eldest brother, a man we knew as Bal Bhagwan Ji, aand who, we were told, was the incarnation of Jesus Christ, is a significant Indian politician. His name, apparently, is Satpal Maharaj and, until recently at least, he was the Congress Party's Finance Minister. Do you know him? At Millenium Satpal was outrageous. He got all us to think aliens were coming to prostrate at the feet of his kid brother. The comet Kohoutek, he said, was a harbinger of the greatness of young Maharaj Ji (now 'Maharaji'). As luck would have it, the young Perfect Master married a beautiful Californian soon after the festival and the family broke asunder. Satpal returned to India with his mother and tried to assert his own right to the assets of Divine Light Mission. He was the one his father had appointed the Lord of Light, not his brother. So, please, could you take a moment and tell me how it is that this fascinating character could become a viable politician of such prominence? Is his background unknown in India? How many other former pretenders to the throne of divinty were in the last cabinet? Regards, Jim Heller a web page run by the former followers of Prem Pal Singh Rawat, the once young Indian guru who made quite a splash in the west in the early seventies. Originally from Hardwar, I believe, he and his family claimed to be 'divine' and he, in particular, asserted that he was Guru Maharaj Ji, the Lord of the Universe! His organization, Divine Light Mission, hosted a number of events. The most famous, however, was called Millenium '73 at the Astrodome in Houston, Texas. There, Maharaji was supposed to usher in a 'thousand years of peace' for all mankind. Grandiose? Of course. Ridiculous? Absolutely. Still, we westerners were quite taken with the Indian spiritual mystique back then. A lot of us were simply taken. The reason I write is that it has come to our attention that his eldest brother, a man we knew as Bal Bhagwan Ji, aand who, we were told, was the incarnation of Jesus Christ, is a significant Indian politician. His name, apparently, is Satpal Maharaj and, until recently at least, he was the Congress Party's Finance Minister. Do you know him? At Millenium Satpal was outrageous. He got all us to think aliens were coming to prostrate at the feet of his kid brother. The comet Kohoutek, he said, was a harbinger of the greatness of young Maharaj Ji (now 'Maharaji'). As luck would have it, the young Perfect Master married a beautiful Californian soon after the festival and the family broke asunder. Satpal returned to India with his mother and tried to assert his own right to the assets of Divine Light Mission. He was the one his father had appointed the Lord of Light, not his brother. So, please, could you take a moment and tell me how it is that this fascinating character could become a viable politician of such prominence? Is his background unknown in India? How many other former pretenders to the throne of divinty were in the last cabinet? Regards, Jim Heller Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 18:18:27 (EST)
Poster: nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Jim Subject: No need to hijack threads (Re: Man's best friend) Message: Jim, just a technical note: I took the advice from our living perfect webmaster and found I was able to post big new threads by going to: http://www.paradise-web.com/powerforum/data/anything/post.html Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Mar 6, 1998 at 14:43:07 (EST)
Poster: And On Anand Ji Email: aoa To: David Subject: Re: Man's best friend Message: Bill's comment about not wanting to meet Maharaji at the end reminded me of this account I read about Bryce Bond's near death experience. It certainly blows a few concepts about life after death. Forget anything that Maharaji may have said about this, he really has no idea at all. The reality is very different to his Hindu philosphy. Much more warm and loving and nothing to worry about. Here's Bryce Bond's experience: Several years before his death, Bryce Bond, a famous New York City media personality turned parapsychologist, shared with me the story of what happened to him when he once collapsed after a violent allergic reaction to pine nuts and was rushed to a hospital. He remembered suddenly passing through a long tunnel toward a brilliant light, and then (pages 13-14, paperback version, 'BEYOND THE LIGHT'): 'I hear a bark, and racing toward me is a dog I once had, a black poodle named Pepe. When I see him, I feel an emotional floodgate open. Tears fill my eyes. He jumps into my arms, licking my face. As I hold him, he is real, more real than I had ever experienced him. I can smell him, feel him, hear his breathing, and sense his great joy at being with me again. 'I put my dog on the ground, and step forward to embrace my stepfather, when a very strong voice is heard in my consciousness. Not yet, it says. I scream out, Why? Then this inner voice says, What have you learned, and whom have you helped? I am dumb-founded. The voice seems to be from without as well as within. Everything stops for a moment. I have to think of what was asked of me. I cannot answer what I have learned, but I can answer whom I have helped. 'I feel the presence of my dog around me as I ponder those two questions. Then I hear barking, and other dogs appear, dogs I once had. As I stand there for what seems to be an eternity. I want to embrace and be absorbed and merge. I want to stay. The sensation of not wanting to come back is overwhelming.' Bryce was also greeted by all of his relatives who had passed on before him. He experienced these loved ones as somewhat younger in form and face than when he had last seen them, healthier and happier. He remembered racing backward through the same tunnel he had entered when it was time to leave and reviving in time to witness a hypodermic needle being plunged into his arm. 'I heard a voice say, 'Welcome back.' I never asked who said that nor did I care. I was told by the doctor that I had been dead for over ten minutes.' Not to belittle -- but so what? I have dreams of varying magnitudes of intrigue. I have yet to find serious difficulty in distinguishing them from what is sometimes called ordinary reality -- waking life. I've never seen a ghost. I've never seen a UFO or an alien. I've wanted to, but I don't believe I'm predisposed to encounter them -- although I'd rather, there isn't any part of me who secretly believes such do, in fact, exist in any meaningful (e.g. shared) reality. If it isn't sharable between you and I -- what exact good is it? If you want to form a church about it, that's fine -- it is an acceptable human activity, to sit around in comforable, heated building and discuss either ancient history or invsisible, unproven phenomena, for purposes of what's called spirit (or what's cloaked in premise of education, but is only speculation). I do it myself; it is a fine pass-time. Sit around the camp fire, tell ghost stories. Boo! Did I scare you? For the record, I hold that when we die, sad to say, we are quite thoroughly dead. Maybe, like the cyclic birth and death of the Universe itself, there is a description that says the thing repeats itself in a new venue -- but the same thing says veritably all information perforce is lost, from one iteration to the next. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Mar 6, 1998 at 21:45:21 (EST)
Poster: David Email: djulian@cix.compulink.co.uk To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Re: Man's best friend Message: Perhaps we will be thoroughly dead, but then we'd never know it would we. I liked Bryce Bond's account about his NDE although I don't expect others to believe it. I prefer it to all the Hindu stories I heard about masters and slaves and renunciates and sanyasis and yogi bears. Something I find remarkable is just how many athiests there are amongst the ex-premies. Did M put you off the idea of a God for life? Woody Allen once said that life's a bitch and then you die. I'd like there to be something more to the story. SOmeone else once said that if there were no God then surely we'd invent one. Perhaps that's how athiests think. I think atheism is preferable to religious fanatisism. At least atheists are not trying to live surrounded by the dogma of religion. My brother in law didn't believe that life existed after death until his wife died. Now he's changed his mind. Perhaps that's just wishful thinking on his part. It depends on your view. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Mar 7, 1998 at 02:03:02 (EST)
Poster: Arf Arf Email: ** To: David Subject: Man's best friend (Re: Man's best friend) Message: Hey David, that's an interesting quiz to give ourselves. What have we learned and who have we helped. Why don't you start first with a nutshell version of an answer to those questions and I'll try on sunday night. When I had a dream about dying, it was that the screen went blank but I was sitting there and the only thing that came through, the only thing I was left with was I said 'I love you' to Mr. Amazing, and he said 'I love you' back. This was some years ago and I wasn't using that amazing tag of course. Maybe there is no general quiz for all. But tailored to the person and situation, (like a temporary death experience). Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Mar 7, 1998 at 10:22:27 (EST)
Poster: David Email: djulian@cix.compulink.co.uk To: Arf Arf Subject: Re: Man's best friend Message: Tailor made death. Yes that sounds right. Of all the NDEs I've read about there seem to be an infinite number of realms, beautiful gardens, sparkling streams, fabulous scenery etc. but the one thing that does come across as constant is the love from God that people have experienced. The life review seems to be pretty constant also but with nil judgement from God. SOmeone said, God does not need to forgive since He never judges. Most of us have little idea of a being who actually loves us unconditionally. We still think we have to earn His love or something. It is hard to fathom and even harder if we've looked to Maharaji as being the personification of God. Hard to understand that we are loved, whatever we have done or not done. Even Hitler was loved. I like the film Groundhog Day because it's a good illustration of what we can learn down here. I am a very slow learner myself. You know I've learned a lot from having three children. They always love me even when I still haven't bought them the Spice Girls dolls yet. Now that is unconditional love of a big kind. It's hard to believe that we have to undo everything we've assumed and realise that we are just loved. You mean it's THAT simple. I don't have to earn it or strive to attain the seventh chakra? The most important thing, for me anyway, is to comprehend that I am loved and to be able to love others and bring that into situations despite all the difficulties. Love shines through in the end. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Mar 7, 1998 at 13:43:51 (EST)
Poster: And On Anand Ji Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com To: David Subject: Re: Man's best friend Message: Perhaps we will be thoroughly dead, but then we'd never know it would we. I liked Bryce Bond's account about his NDE although I don't expect others to believe it. I prefer it to all the Hindu stories I heard about masters and slaves and renunciates and sanyasis and yogi bears. Something I find remarkable is just how many athiests there are amongst the ex-premies. Did M put you off the idea of a God for life? Woody Allen once said that life's a bitch and then you die. I'd like there to be something more to the story. SOmeone else once said that if there were no God then surely we'd invent one. Perhaps that's how athiests think. I think atheism is preferable to religious fanatisism. At least atheists are not trying to live surrounded by the dogma of religion. My brother in law didn't believe that life existed after death until his wife died. Now he's changed his mind. Perhaps that's just wishful thinking on his part. It depends on your view. My understanding is that there are many theologies that posit there is no after-life. Existence of God is a separate issue. I'm personally back where I was when I was 15 -- I don't know; I still pray to an abstraction I call God for shorthand; and I relate some emotions and experiences, loosely, to prayer and what would perhaps be called meditation. God could, for people, be as simple as the collective pool of goodwill between human beings alive on this earth. I think that is quite the thing for us; and fits with the idea that a Universe with no sentients observing it is no Universe at all -- a Universe in any meaningful sense doesn't exist without witnesses. So I think the day people vanish utterly -- when the last Adam dies, the Universe and God dies with him (or her, if the last Adam happens to be an Eve). But I also define people loosly -- I think the whales and dolphins certainly qualify as people, and chimpanzees do, too. Or, potential people for future evolution to emerge. And there's an interesting idea -- a Universe that had an observer-species (homo sapiens) -- lost it -- (plague, nuclear holocaust, ice age, etc) -- and then gained another one (talking fish). God would first exist, then not exist, then exist once more. Would it be the "same" God? Probably not. The spirit of dolphins are perhaps fundamentally different because, unlike Man, they are not "the Toolmaker". They don't have tool-consciousness. A few thoughts for you from the desk of Anonanandji 1998 Amen Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 21:00:25 (EST)
Poster: Jim Email: NEW: heller@bc1.com To: Everyone Subject: Who's happier: premies or ex's? Message: Katie's comment below ('I don't care how often Maharaji's right-hand men rape, pillage and mutliate, so long as they're happy') got me thinking. Is she right? Or, as has been wondered so often before, is Katie WRONG? 'Wrong again,' I ask myself? Is this even possible? No, seriously, that's a good question, isn't it? Who's happier: premies or ex's? And can one even answer this without considering all that old psych stuff -- actualization, perspiration and condensation? Personally? I don't know. Sometimes I wish I was still praying to the fantasy of Maharaji I carried around for the better part of ten years. Or if not him, someone. On the other hand, it sure is great being able to not mumble under my breath about every last moment as if talking to a large invisible rabbit. Maybe the New Yorker will tell me who's happier. ( Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 23:07:03 (EST)
Poster: John K. Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Who's happier: premies or ex's? Message: Jim, when the hell have you been for the past 25 years!! It's not about happiness. Everyone knows THAT! It's about feeling that devotion. It's about that love. And don't let yourself get confused. Confusion is so easy. It's so easy to get confused. Don't let confusion in. Just let that feeling flow. Feel that devotion. Seriously though, I realized it had nothing to do with normal mundane feelings such as happiness and personal fulfillment and all those egocentric based desires for 'happiness' back in the late 70's when I heard through one of those frequent phone feeds the Master tell the story of the devotee that all of us should try to be like, that woman in the forest who had absolutely nothing in her life except her lonely boring little life in her little hut. Every day for 50 years all she did was get up each morning and prepare her little hut just in case Ram might come by. She always made extra food just in case Ram came by and was hungry. Jeez, what a saint she was huh? Does anyone else remember that story? I should have walked out of gmj's world immediatly upon hearing that story, because as soon as I heard that something in me said "this fantasy just turned into a nightmare!" However, it took me a few years to clear my head enough to find the exit though. I knew there was no way I wanted to live like that old woman out in the forest. Pining away for the master. Yes, the story has a happy ending of sorts. Ram is out hunting in the forest near by and gets hungry and just drops in unannounced for lunch in this old deovtee's hut. What a surprise. Her life is fulfilled. And then...? Yes, and then? Nothing, that was it, Ram came by for half an hour and split again. She lived her life preparing for that half an hour. God, was there ever a more depressing story of one's future as a devotee? Come on all you make- believe saintly premies out there, whoever you are if any of you are really out there, do you really aspire to THAT kind of life? NOOOOOOO, of course you don't. Not really, in your heart of hearts you KNOW that's pure absolute baloney! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 01:38:05 (EST)
Poster: John Cavad Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Who's happier: premies or ex's? Message: I was much happier as a (single) premie. DLM was like a candy store for relationships: casual ones, heavy ones, fast ones, quikees, anything you wanted. I fell in love dozens of times with all those super-flighty sisters looking for (more) love (that GMJ couldn't provide). It was truly heaven on earth. I really miss those days but don't yearn to repeat them. Sisters that were deluded were very vulnerable to guys like me. Oh, DLM, where are you now? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 02:11:00 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Who's happier: premies or ex's? Message: Katie's comment below ('I don't care how often Maharaji's right-hand men rape, pillage and mutliate, so long as they're happy') got me thinking. Is she right? Or, as has been wondered so often before, is Katie WRONG? 'Wrong again,' I ask myself? Is this even possible? No, seriously, that's a good question, isn't it? Who's happier: premies or ex's? And can one even answer this without considering all that old psych stuff -- actualization, perspiration and condensation? Personally? I don't know. Sometimes I wish I was still praying to the fantasy of Maharaji I carried around for the better part of ten years. Or if not him, someone. On the other hand, it sure is great being able to not mumble under my breath about every last moment as if talking to a large invisible rabbit. Maybe the New Yorker will tell me who's happier. ( Well, I hope not to dwell on the "old psych stuff," but happiness is a VERY subjective thing, and moreover, it's a RELATIVE thing. The question is: "happy" in comparison to WHAT? If I am starving, a piece of rotten food might make me very happy. If I'm Bill Gates, it might take acquiring several conglomerates to do that. That's what's so tricky about premies saying they are happy. When I was a premie, I "said" I was happy, but I was really pretty miserable most of the time. I often even thought I was "happy" because I was living in a closed ideological system and I had nothing to compare my experience to. But after I got out, and was MUCH happier, I realized how unhappy I had been. That's because I finally had some other "happiness" to compare it to. So, in this regard, I guess I agree with Jim instead of Katie. The "as long as you're happy" argument doesn't work for me. But, in Katie's defense, it also does very little good to tell someone who really believes he or she is happy that they are not. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 06:25:13 (EST)
Poster: chr Email: To: JW Subject: Re: Who's happier: premies or ex's? Message: It should be obvious that premies are happier-don't exs have the vegetables of the universe rotting inside them? I know there were other equally ridiculous analogies,but I can't remember what they were-something about a dead eagle on a windscreen came into it somewhere,I think. It seems to me that a premie can't really be happy-there are too many facets of a premie's being that have been denied or suppressed.The opportunity for growth has been hijacked and a battle is raging on a deep,unconscious level.When it surfaces, its dismissed as the 'mind' and then pushed down again.Its the perfect delusion. By the way, an aquaintance has recently started working for scientology.She left her pre-teen children and is working 14 hours a day,7 days a week,gets 45 minutes a day free time-and she reckons she's happy! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 09:42:45 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: JW Subject: Re: Who's happier: premies or ex's? Message: In my own defense, I have to say that Jim horribly misquoted me (at least don't put it in quotation marks next time, Jim! Good grief! You are starting to sound like "A Premie"). What I said is that I don't care if premies want to follow Maharaji as long as they are happy. As Joe pointed out, I probably should have said "..as long as they THINK they are happy." I guess I am just more cynical than you guys (or something). I don't see the point of trying to argue with premies who think they are doing the right thing, and who are getting something out of the experience of following Maharaji. All the ex-premies on here should know BY EXPERIENCE how futile this is - didn't your friends and family try and talk you out of being a premie a number of times. Several people on here said that they were even given copies of Bob Mishler's interview, and just brushed it off. Anyway, my point is just that 1)it's extremely difficult to convince someone of something if they don't want to hear it, and 2)I don't think that premies are doing anything that is significantly destructive to themselves or others by following Maharaji. (They're not the Christian Coalitian, for example.) By the way, I was really unhappy before I got Knowledge, became happier when I got knowledge, slowly became very unhappy again, and became much happier when I left the whole thing behind. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 10:30:18 (EST)
Poster: katie more Email: ** To: Katie Subject: cynical? (Re: Who's happier: premies or ex's?) Message: Hi Katie, We get fake people like that liar that said they recieved knowledge at 13 in 1983. Student. And they are only here to set us straight. And of course fuzzbee comes and does his staunch premie postureing for our benefit. But other premies are not like them. They might come here and talk and I'm sure we can tell the difference after a few posts. When someone is here to preach Jim is here to take them to court. Everyone is willing to meet some newcomer halfway. Except me of course. It doesn't matter really if you are horribly misquoted or you say something super dumb all by yourself. WE know you, and we are all bound to type some nutty thing. The buddha knows it's all suffering here, The DNA doesn't give two hoots about what you type, as long as you reproduce, and the jew/christian world believes you were born into this world with original typeing error. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 10:43:38 (EST)
Poster: John K. Email: To: katie more Subject: Re: cynical? (Re: Who's happier: premies or ex's?) Message: Hey **! Why are you so convinced that Stu is untrue? Why would it have been so impossible to have rec'd K in 1983? I left in 1982, so I don't have a clue. btw, I am still undecided on whether or not you should be putting out such strange rumors as the one below that got fuzzb upset. I think that if you are going to declare such a controversial declaration then you should be required to offer some kind of proof. Make sense? Or r u n an-r-kissed? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 11:17:33 (EST)
Poster: More 8th hand Email: bb To: John K. Subject: gossip (Re: Who's happier: premies or ex's?) Message: Did you notice that fuzzbee didn't come out and say hey I know those people and it's not true! THAT would have at least been a more typical answer for regular people when things come up and the dna samples haven't been submitted. Instead he mutters about fog twice. And windshields! Did this happen in a car? What else does he know? Fuzzbee has full use of maharji's top notch recording studio and spends all his time on maharaji's welfare dole and plays music and is revered by all the local devotee world and that combined with the music ego, the view of malibu, him and the lord chum around, the lifestyle is rich, there are NO other music jobs this loose in LA, he is in a niche he loves because it is loaded with perks, and ignorance is bliss! Do you remember that very large folder that was handed out at some festival in the late seventies that had his father on the cover in his crown, and inside was a picture of maharaji and hansi sticking thier heads out a car sun roof and they look ok (although my wife said maharaji looked like he was on drugs in that photo which pissed me off), and on the other side of this large folder Raja ji was shown holding his (second) daughter and the kid was crying and raja ji looked pissed off. Anyone remember that? I have two copies. Why wasn't raja ji shown holding two kids? And where was claudia and why did they choose that bad photo? It's not like they were late for work and didn't have time to get a good shot. I imagine he could have also complained about the mistress postings and a host of others. I was at Claudias house in Connecticut when she got a call from maharaji and they were ticked off and maharji threatened to cut her off financially if she didn't get back with raja ji. I suppose that is 8th hand gossip also. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 11:48:51 (EST)
Poster: John K. Email: x@gopi.not To: More 8th hand Subject: Re: gossip (Re: Who's happier: premies or ex's?) Message: 2b: No, I don't remember that program. I didn't even know there were paper programs at programs. Maybe it's true that you can't know the players without a program. This all sounds a little bit like the Paul is dead rumors and why is Paul McCartney barefoot on the Abbey Road album. My only point is: I believe if you make statements like that it would be helpful if you could at least provide the name of whoever it was that made the original statement... I mean what do true devotees care anyway what the Master does? The true Guru is above our mere human judging minds. What do you think Krishna was doing chasing those gopis around, or was it the gopis chasing him around? The Master is here, the greatest joy for the devotee is to provide him with whatever he wishes. Surrenduring to guru means you can no longer judge him. Which is why I am no longer in a state of surrender to him, I now oppose him. btw, did Claudia get back with r ji? or did M cut her off financially? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 11:50:16 (EST)
Poster: David Email: djulian@cix.compulink.co.uk To: More 8th hand Subject: Re: gossip (Re: Who's happier: premies or ex's?) Message: I love these insights into the world of M that you have Bill. I am always eager to hear what REALLY goes on. Stories that I wouldn't normally hear about. No wonder Raja Ji was miffed since his kid was Maharaji's. You could write a book, Bill, about the goings on behind the scenes with Maraaji. What would you call it? I think, "The Lord of the Universe" would be an ironic title. Or "Hari at home" perhaps? _ Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 13:32:15 (EST)
Poster: CD Email: To: More 8th hand Subject: Re: gossip (Re: Who's happier: premies or ex's?) Message: >I suppose that is 8th hand gossip also. You are playing the part of a crackpot. Maybe the vegies are going bad. Get some fresh air and aim at positive stuff. You have good potential Bill. Your flat pickin friend, CD Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 15:06:50 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Bill Subject: Re: cynical? (Re: Who's happier: premies or ex's?) Message: Hi Bill - Your post was very funny (I mean it) and I will save it for my husband (Mili) to read when he comes home tonight. Now instead of worrying about typos, we can just claim we are victims of orginal typing error. I think your sense of humor is resurfacing just in time - we need it. Regarding the 8th hand gossip - whether it is true or not, it's my opinion that you need to consider that whatever happened, there is one innocent person involved that could be hurt by the gossip. Maybe that was what Fuzzbee was trying to say. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Mar 6, 1998 at 15:17:00 (EST)
Poster: sequel 7 Email: ** To: CD Subject: to CD5 (Re: Who's happier: premies or ex's?) Message: Hello there cd You are going to probabaly get recertified in the latest round of upgrades eh? Looks like microsoft is trying to simplify a lot of folks out of a job eventually with all those zero administration goals. excess has it's merits, if time allows, lately it has. How do you view the breath? pleasure vibe? like kabir? Of course kabir caved in at the end of his life and bought into the hindu thing. He didn't have the energy to really go for something fresh and more real than image as a fall back position. Or maybe he copped to the general lethargy of the indians and figured there was no point in trying to break the concept that was prevailing during his life. He caved into the bhakti in human form illusion of the hindu mold. Where any particular guy can set himself up as a worship point and as someone who will play lord to the local devotee. Kabir loses westerners at that point. And rightly so. But still, some of his free and rebellious (crackpot) work is definately his best. And for succintness, the swing, and the breath as a love motion are his most clear picture. I find the continious strokeing view worth a chuckle. I was going to e-mail but I thought I was pissing you off so I thought I'd wait till calmer days. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Mar 6, 1998 at 21:28:23 (EST)
Poster: CD Email: To: sequel 7 Subject: Re: to CD5 (Re: Who's happier: premies or ex's?) Message: >I was going to e-mail but I thought I was pissing you off so I thought I'd wait till calmer days. You don't piss me off. Send me an email with your phone # and I'll give you a call. So how the heck do you know about Sphinx anyway? I didn't realize you were aware of VLDB and Plato. I thought only robots and MS people knew. An interesting Sphinx conference but quite different from a premie gathering. I just ordered the Long Beach 97 highlights video so I can do a completely unbiased review - g. You might like the purple Japanese music tape/CD. The lady has quite a voice on the last song. Take care music man, CD Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Mar 7, 1998 at 02:19:33 (EST)
Poster: server7 Email: ** To: CD Subject: to CD5 (Re: Who's happier: premies or ex's?) Message: Give till monday morning to respond to the post, It's so late I'm crashing. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 02:11:03 (EST)
Poster: Something for Email: To: Everyone Subject: Fuzzbee Morse Message: He wrote an e-mail and asked for a clarification on a previous post and I put it down below titled the same as this thread. It's only fair I guess. He did say it was the 'latest off the wall 8th hand gossip'. I don't recall any previous 8th hand gossip. But who knows. He also said 'I know these people and you obviously don't. You really don't have the foggiest notion and I suggest you just shut up as all you are doing is fogging up other peoples windshields.' If I have fogged up your windshields let me know! I'm sorry about that. Don't know why your computer is in the car anyway but I'm not here to fog up someone's windshield. I don't even talk to the premies that come here. Not only that, they seem plenty safe from any influence from me. If they come to the threads I am on I just leave them be. It's not like they are trapped on this private site. It's a big wide web out there and they are welcome to it. Jim does his level best to shoo them away unless they insist on being here. maharaji has enjoyed hate many times and he dished it out as a management tool. We are not the source of his problems. It must be hard for fuzzbee to maintain the devotional state if he buzzes around here. Why are we not allowed to complain? To change? To try to understand. maharaji is not interested in a dialogue with equals and thats his long term choice. He doesn't believe in god and that's his long term choice. He wants to do something for others? He needs to completely clean house, by himself, and for himself. Sure he has taken steps, but there are some mighty big ones left to go. Sure he is smart, but there is a wisdom that comes from recognising god. I bet you a Gulfstream 5 that he can't make the jump to humility before god. And admit it to all his followers. And therby set them free to have thier own relationship with god. And just by it's own merits, and just by his own genuine happiness he shows people thier breath without claiming ownership of thier breath. If I lose the bet I have an energy storage device that will pay off my side of the bet. Think maharaji will do it? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 10:12:53 (EST)
Poster: Mark Email: Apple 4256 @ aol.com To: Something for Subject: Re: Fuzzbee Morse Message: as a friend of Fuzzbee's. and the one who introduced him to knowledge/maharaji some time back, I can say that he personally has experienced wonderful positive interactions with Maharaji, and has also 1ST and 2 nd hand experience of the dark ( or at least hidden) side of Mr. Rawat who is a genuine Wizard of Oz if there ever was one ( I mean that positively and negatively). You see, even Fuzzbee knows that Mr. Rawat is not the intergalactic savior we all thought he was back when we believed. But Maharaji Knowledge and premies can be a very supportive and wonderful cult/religion and satisfy people , as long as people don't look too closely at " The Perfect Conman " for too long Anyway, Fuzzbee's committment is sincere and rock solid, and he will not ( I've already asked him personally) question Maharaji, as this would a)be a waste of time,disturbing darshan & b) put his personal time with Mr. Rawat at risk. Fuzzbee, you know that 1) M. is not the Satguru 2) Knowledge techniques are being spread by 20 or 30 major players on the planet Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 11:23:19 (EST)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Something for Subject: Re: Fuzzbee Morse Message: Bill, well said -- except for your silly superstition about your breath. What's with that anyway? Reminds me of that old Incredible String Band song ('you come right inside of me, as close as you can be, you give me breath and breath gives life to me'). The idea of your breath being conscious is as viable as your blood being same. Or your 'strong, silent' bones. How about your 'sophisticated, urbane' organs? We already know about the heart, of course. Come on, Bill. Get real. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 11:32:55 (EST)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Mark Subject: Re: Fuzzbee Morse Message: My two cents worth, Fuzbee -- You are in the vary unenviable position of someone who's based far too much of his life on a lie. This is tragic, for sure, but not unprecedented. People are often confronted with the choice of reality or perpeutating a painfully obvious illusion. Some of us, who got out earlier, would naturally hve found doing so easier. You, on the other hand, would have a lot to swallow. But, what's your option? Carrying on this ridiculous Hindu superstition 'til you finally shuffle off the planet? And, in the process, deny your own mind? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 12:50:11 (EST)
Poster: gumby Email: To: Mark Subject: Re: Fuzzbee Morse Message: Hi Mark, In your last post you indicated that: 2) Knowledge techniques are being spread by 20 or 30 major players on the planet. Do you know who they are? I am curious. Thanks. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 13:51:56 (EST)
Poster: ex-mug Email: To: Mark Subject: Re: Fuzzbee Morse Message: as a friend of Fuzzbee's. and the one who introduced him to knowledge/maharaji some time back, I can say that he personally has experienced wonderful positive interactions with Maharaji, and has also 1ST and 2 nd hand experience of the dark ( or at least hidden) side of Mr. Rawat who is a genuine Wizard of Oz if there ever was one ( I mean that positively and negatively). You see, even Fuzzbee knows that Mr. Rawat is not the intergalactic savior we all thought he was back when we believed. But Maharaji Knowledge and premies can be a very supportive and wonderful cult/religion and satisfy people , as long as people don't look too closely at ' The Perfect Conman ' for too long Anyway, Fuzzbee's committment is sincere and rock solid, and he will not ( I've already asked him personally) question Maharaji, as this would a)be a waste of time,disturbing darshan & b) put his personal time with Mr. Rawat at risk. Fuzzbee, you know that 1) M. is not the Satguru 2) Knowledge techniques are being spread by 20 or 30 major players on the planet Fuzzbee is a brilliant musician i believe. Worked with F.Zappa at one time etc. I really hope that being with GM hasn't stunted his musical creative aspirations and development. Shame if it has. all the best ex-mug Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 15:14:33 (EST)
Poster: Continuous Email: bb To: Jim Subject: Stroking (Re: Fuzzbee Morse) Message: Ok Ok you funny rascal, what the heck do I know for sure about that. Well, being a long time sheep I prefer to baaa a bit in the face of religious scriptures until I figure out how to face the facts that the dna accidentally made us too smart and so it invented religion and other diversions to keep us occupied until our next sex session so that we can pass on the genes. I wonder what the DNA feels about condoms? poor little gene tadpoles going 'Get back! get back! It's a trap, this way is blocked!' In the paper last night the news was that lesbians (like one of my sisters) have different ears! I said it must be that Gadar thing. (gay radar). Why would the DNA get involved in that when the point is to pass on the gene to the next generation. Maybe it isn't a gene thing but bad college level research. I guess I'll have to ask the double helix buddha when I die. Do you think fuzzbee is the 'real premie' that posts here and is so dang staunch? I noticed that premie is pretty familiar with you and JW so he must have read your posts over time. One of his lasts posts on that last archive is the one that shows he knows us. Maybe you are right about the incredible string band connection, they were at woodstock and maybe during that green acid trip they played on my nuerons. Actually too many WESTERN folks keep harping on the 'spirit' being the breath. Ok, so maybe it is just a pleasure vibe. Continiously stroking the inside of the human with the occasional experience of 'infinite bliss' at some peak moment. Kabir said 'my lord is making love with me all the time' guess thats how he viewed the breath. Fuzzbee is probably disgusted right now if he is reading this foggy confusion. Let me edit out my next comment out of respect for the women that might be present. Jeez Jim, for a twisted athiest you are a funny guy. I don't know why god hasn't struck you dead, or at least made you a complete bore. Maybe because the power is Mr. Amazing! Hello Amazing One, sorry to address you in the same post as that athiest Jim. Are you a silly superstition as St. James intimates? By the way, at the end of my life don't show up wearing maharaji's body just for a laugh. Do that one on Jim. Of course fuzzbee will be expecting you in that attire. You DO like us don't you. I think so. Although I think you must get a bit bored with everyones way of relateing to you. Do you know half my penis was loped off at birth on your behalf? That was courtesy of your 'chosen people' and thier divine understandings. And I'm not even jewish! Thank you Jim for your godly ancestors. Is maharaji going to win that Gulfstream 5 bet? Does he stand a chance in hell of coming out of this whole deal? Of course if he does come clean fuzzbee won't believe him and just go on thinking it's another lila. Fine with me. If I cannot address the creative power that made this 18 billion year show and have a human body and get heard by that power then what kind of dumb design flaw is that? To make a creation of expression and then limit the options of talking to the power itself ain't all that perfect of a design. If I can come up with that as an improvement, (and my track record is not one of great smarts), then it must already be a built in option. Well, I just convinced myself! It's just flat out more fun having a concious creator than some deaf power that doesn't give two hoots about how the mad human show plays out. Why make the game if you can't play? I think you must doze off somewhat however, or daydream or your just wicked patient. Talk to you later you big deaf superstition. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 15:34:26 (EST)
Poster: Nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Jim Subject: Incredible String Band (Re: Fuzzbee Morse) Message: Bill, well said -- except for your silly superstition about your breath. What's with that anyway? Reminds me of that old Incredible String Band song ('you come right inside of me, as close as you can be, you give me breath and breath gives life to me'). The idea of your breath being conscious is as viable as your blood being same. Or your 'strong, silent' bones. How about your 'sophisticated, urbane' organs? We already know about the heart, of course. Come on, Bill. Get real. An early passion of mine - one that is almost as emabarrassing as the M connection - is reflected in my encyclopaedic knowledge of ISB lyrics. So here's the correction: 'You come right inside of me Close as you can be You kiss my blood And my blood kiss me.' Sorry to be so pedantic Jim, but some things really matter... Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 19:13:23 (EST)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Continuous Subject: Re: Stroking (Re: Fuzzbee Morse) Message: Ok Ok you funny rascal, what the heck do I know for sure about that. Well, being a long time sheep I prefer to baaa a bit in the face of religious scriptures until I figure out how to face the facts that the dna accidentally made us too smart and so it invented religion and other diversions to keep us occupied until our next sex session so that we can pass on the genes. I wonder what the DNA feels about condoms? poor little gene tadpoles going 'Get back! get back! It's a trap, this way is blocked!' In the paper last night the news was that lesbians (like one of my sisters) have different ears! I said it must be that Gadar thing. (gay radar). Why would the DNA get involved in that when the point is to pass on the gene to the next generation. Maybe it isn't a gene thing but bad college level research. I guess I'll have to ask the double helix buddha when I die. Do you think fuzzbee is the 'real premie' that posts here and is so dang staunch? I noticed that premie is pretty familiar with you and JW so he must have read your posts over time. One of his lasts posts on that last archive is the one that shows he knows us. Maybe you are right about the incredible string band connection, they were at woodstock and maybe during that green acid trip they played on my nuerons. Actually too many WESTERN folks keep harping on the 'spirit' being the breath. Ok, so maybe it is just a pleasure vibe. Continiously stroking the inside of the human with the occasional experience of 'infinite bliss' at some peak moment. Kabir said 'my lord is making love with me all the time' guess thats how he viewed the breath. Fuzzbee is probably disgusted right now if he is reading this foggy confusion. Let me edit out my next comment out of respect for the women that might be present. Jeez Jim, for a twisted athiest you are a funny guy. I don't know why god hasn't struck you dead, or at least made you a complete bore. Maybe because the power is Mr. Amazing! Hello Amazing One, sorry to address you in the same post as that athiest Jim. Are you a silly superstition as St. James intimates? By the way, at the end of my life don't show up wearing maharaji's body just for a laugh. Do that one on Jim. Of course fuzzbee will be expecting you in that attire. You DO like us don't you. I think so. Although I think you must get a bit bored with everyones way of relateing to you. Do you know half my penis was loped off at birth on your behalf? That was courtesy of your 'chosen people' and thier divine understandings. And I'm not even jewish! Thank you Jim for your godly ancestors. Is maharaji going to win that Gulfstream 5 bet? Does he stand a chance in hell of coming out of this whole deal? Of course if he does come clean fuzzbee won't believe him and just go on thinking it's another lila. Fine with me. If I cannot address the creative power that made this 18 billion year show and have a human body and get heard by that power then what kind of dumb design flaw is that? To make a creation of expression and then limit the options of talking to the power itself ain't all that perfect of a design. If I can come up with that as an improvement, (and my track record is not one of great smarts), then it must already be a built in option. Well, I just convinced myself! It's just flat out more fun having a concious creator than some deaf power that doesn't give two hoots about how the mad human show plays out. Why make the game if you can't play? I think you must doze off somewhat however, or daydream or your just wicked patient. Talk to you later you big deaf superstition. Bill, I think this one's a keeper but I can't say for sure 'til I get it back from the lab. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 02:07:57 (EST)
Poster: David Email: djulian@cix.compulink.co.uk To: Nigel Subject: Re: Incredible String Band (Re: Fuzzbee Morse) Message: The Incredible String Band wrote: 'You come right inside of me, Close as you can be, You kiss my blood, And my blood kiss me.' And I thought I was a sexual pervert! This is even too far out for ME. ____________________________________ Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 10:02:34 (EST)
Poster: Incredible Email: bb To: David Subject: red river band (Re: Fuzzbee Morse) Message: I'll bet it means the air mixes with the blood and the blood carries it around providing the almighty DNA with some nutrients and life. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 13:52:36 (EST)
Poster: Joy Email: Bluebirdd@aol.com To: Nigel Subject: Re: Incredible String Band (Re: Fuzzbee Morse) Message: Oh no, not more Incredible String Band fans! They were really my "guru" before M, if I had such a thing. My favorite lyric: "You get brighter every day And every time I see you Hold your brightness in my eye And I wonder what does sleep do? And I know you belong to everybody But you can't deny that I'm You." I actually became involved in Scientology for a year or so before Knowledge due to ISB influence. I lasted exactly three months at the "Sea Org" compound headquarters in East Grinstead, Sussex. Talk about one screwed up organization, makes M look like a piece of cake. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 15:16:19 (EST)
Poster: nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Joy Subject: Re: Incredible String Band (Re: Fuzzbee Morse) Message: Oh no, not more Incredible String Band fans! They were really my 'guru' before M, if I had such a thing. My favorite lyric: 'You get brighter every day And every time I see you Hold your brightness in my eye And I wonder what does sleep do? And I know you belong to everybody But you can't deny that I'm You.' I actually became involved in Scientology for a year or so before Knowledge due to ISB influence. I lasted exactly three months at the 'Sea Org' compound headquarters in East Grinstead, Sussex. Talk about one screwed up organization, makes M look like a piece of cake. Fascinating stuff Joy. Would love to hear more about your scientology involvement (I guess you may know neither Mike H or Robin W are still in the movement). As to ISB lyrics, I could happily spend many pointless hours discussing their sheer seemingly-meaningful meaningless. We used to sing both 'You get brighter' and 'Greatest Friend' in satsang. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Mar 3, 1998 at 23:33:56 (EST)
Poster: John Cavad Email: Gone Fishing To: Everyone Subject: Where WIll Jim Vacation? Message: Where will Jim vacation for this Winter Holiday, and more importantly, will he bring a laptop computer with a modem so he can keep up to date on this forum? Jim, only you can answer this question. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 00:18:31 (EST)
Poster: Thunderbolts from Email: ** To: John Cavad Subject: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: It's not fair that you bail out and leave us with the angry hornets nest that the article will trigger. You are the welcome wagon around here! You set the standard! Find some way to make SOME time. Come flying in and drop some blivets for fun. Blivets are what they called what fell out of planes when they used to have no plumbing and just a hole. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 00:24:10 (EST)
Poster: Hornet Email: To: Thunderbolts from Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: It's not fair that you bail out and leave us with the angry hornets nest that the article will trigger. You are the welcome wagon around here! You set the standard! Find some way to make SOME time. Come flying in and drop some blivets for fun. Blivets are what they called what fell out of planes when they used to have no plumbing and just a hole. But won't Jim get hurt if he falls through the hole ? What will become of the rest of the little blivets? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 00:47:53 (EST)
Poster: Jims travel agent Email: HOLIDAYS RUS To: Hornet Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: Jims is really not an"ex", but a closet premie! Why do you think he collects M's memorabilia? He's going to the residence for darshan and agaya on how to bring you all back to the fold? And you thought it was a ski holiday! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 11:43:43 (EST)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Jims travel agent Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: My girlfriend and I are going to Kissimee and Miami of course. Nah, the Yucatan. Maybe Katie will come back out to play. So, do you guys think I was rude to her by saying I thought she was 'wrong'? She hasn't been around here since. Too bad. I really like Katie. But I do think it's misguided to protect premies from confrontation. Hey, weren't we the guys out there with bullhorns? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 11:54:30 (EST)
Poster: John Cavad Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: Jim, great choice of vacation stops. I was there not too long ago - Cozemel, Chichen Itza Mayan ruins, Cancun, Tulum...lots of great diving or snorkling. Isn't it nice to go somewhere and see more than the airport and the convention center? What kind of service will you be doing in Mexico? May the grace bring you fine weather and good surf conditions. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 12:06:20 (EST)
Poster: Jim Email: To: John Cavad Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: One of my greatest moments as a premie was being in charge of all the premie maintenance booths on site at the last Kissimee festival. (The one where people left in hordes when Maharaji threw a divine tantrum. The one where a very freaked out, but still pompous, Tim Gallwey waled ther fields at night in a blanket. ) I was a somebody. I was an important premie for a few days. Oh Lord, why hast thou forsaken me? So, to answer your question, I'm going to be doing some ex-premie maintenance. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 12:27:47 (EST)
Poster: Rick Email: rtaraday@hotmail.com To: Jim Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: My girlfriend and I are going to Kissimee and Miami of course. Nah, the Yucatan. Maybe Katie will come back out to play. So, do you guys think I was rude to her by saying I thought she was 'wrong'? She hasn't been around here since. Too bad. I really like Katie. But I do think it's misguided to protect premies from confrontation. Hey, weren't we the guys out there with bullhorns? Jim, I wondered myself where Katie's been. I don't know if her absence has anything to do with the last interaction you guys had. You and her are opposites; she goes out of her way to make people comfortable, and you seem comfortable confronting people (maybe it's just about the guru). After feeling glad that Student and A Premie left the Forum, I read JW's post proposing that their presence does more to alienate any lurking aspirants than all our ravings. It really seems true. It's just so hard to stomach their bullshit. But it's for a good cause, right? So if you wanted to run the two premies off, you weren't rude. If you wanted them to stay you were. As far as Katie... kindness seems to come naturally to her, and although the two premies were big jerks, Katie isn't. So I do think you were a little harsh with her. But consider that all I'm reading is text, which can be interpreted so many ways. My hit may have nothing to do with where you were coming from, and Katie may be in the Bahamas thinking about how sweet you are. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 12:38:48 (EST)
Poster: John K. Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: Which festival was that? I don't remember M ever throwing a divine tantrum in public. Also, wasn't Tim Gallwey Mr. Inside Game of Tennis? What do you mean "Tim Gallwey waled ther fields at night in a blanket. )"? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 13:59:37 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: My girlfriend and I are going to Kissimee and Miami of course. Nah, the Yucatan. Maybe Katie will come back out to play. So, do you guys think I was rude to her by saying I thought she was 'wrong'? She hasn't been around here since. Too bad. I really like Katie. But I do think it's misguided to protect premies from confrontation. Hey, weren't we the guys out there with bullhorns? Hey, I thought it was all planned. You know, the "good cop/bad cop" method? Actually, being the wimpy liberal I am, I'm going to say that both you and Katie are very effective in the way you approach talking about this stuff. And I think you should both go on doing it the way you do. So, Jim, don't criticize Katie, and Katie, don't criticize Jim for mere style. You're just different people with different approaches and I say via that! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 14:08:44 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Jim and Rick Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: Maybe Katie will come back out to play. So, do you guys think I was rude to her by saying I thought she was 'wrong'? She hasn't been around here since. Too bad. I really like Katie. But I do think it's misguided to protect premies from confrontation. Hey, weren't we the guys out there with bullhorns? Jim, I wondered myself where Katie's been. I don't know if her absence has anything to do with the last interaction you guys had. You and her are opposites; she goes out of her way to make people comfortable, and you seem comfortable confronting people (maybe it's just about the guru). After feeling glad that Student and A Premie left the Forum, I read JW's post proposing that their presence does more to alienate any lurking aspirants than all our ravings. It really seems true. It's just so hard to stomach their bullshit. But it's for a good cause, right? So if you wanted to run the two premies off, you weren't rude. If you wanted them to stay you were. As far as Katie... kindness seems to come naturally to her, and although the two premies were big jerks, Katie isn't. So I do think you were a little harsh with her. But consider that all I'm reading is text, which can be interpreted so many ways. My hit may have nothing to do with where you were coming from, and Katie may be in the Bahamas thinking about how sweet you are. Dear Jim and Rick, I'm still here, just flying in the grass (below radar). Not in the Bahamas (I wish) thinking about how sweet Jim is. I like Jim a lot, by the way (and I think the reverse is also true). We just argue sometimes. Also, Jim is really a nice person, as much as he tries to pretend he's not... The reason I quit posting temporarily is slightly complicated. First, I got really disgusted with some of the things that "A Premie" was saying to people. He was incredibly rude and abusive. I kept waiting for at least ONE of the other premies to say something to him and no one did, although they at least didn't respond to his posts. Then I started feeling like we were in a old western where the two opposing groups hide behind their covered wagons and take shots at each other ("shoot-out at the Ex-Premie Forum", to borrow a phrase from Brian). Everyone seems to feel compelled to support ANYONE who takes their particular side. It's so polarizing. That's one of the reasons that I said something to Jim about his treatment of "Student" - I didn't want to pretend to agree with him just because he was an ex-premie. Anyway, I was getting so frustrated by the polarization of the forum that I just decided to take a break for a while. I'm still helping Brian sporadically and so forth. By the way, I personally did not think "Student" was so bad, especially for someone who was born in 1970, started going to satsang and programs at age 3, and got knowledge at 13. She did answer questions, and even appeared to listen to some of the things that people were saying on the forum. My position on here is and always has been that I don't care if someone wants to follow Maharaji, as long as they are happy. I always say (CD hates this, but it's true) that the premies could be doing worse things. I don't like or respect Maharaji, but I don't dislike premies per se. I like some of the premies that I've met on the net. The reason that I post on the forum is because I might be able to help premies who are very unhappy but afraid to leave, and aspirants who need a second opinion. It bothers me that so many premies have committed suicide and it bothers me when people post cries for help like "Jacques" posted in the last forum. I don't think you were rude to me, Jim, but I don't think you stated my position correctly in your "Katie is Wrong" post. Or maybe it's more correct to say you overstated it. As Rick says - we don't know why the premies post on here. Some of them are obviously trying to be agitators for M and to screw up the forum - like "A Premie". With other people it's harder to tell. Have fun on vacation, Jim... Regards from Katie Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 15:22:23 (EST)
Poster: John Cavad Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: One of my greatest moments as a premie was being in charge of all the premie maintenance booths on site at the last Kissimee festival. (The one where people left in hordes when Maharaji threw a divine tantrum. The one where a very freaked out, but still pompous, Tim Gallwey waled ther fields at night in a blanket. ) I was a somebody. I was an important premie for a few days. Oh Lord, why hast thou forsaken me? So, to answer your question, I'm going to be doing some ex-premie maintenance. Tim, the tennis player? I went to house a few times in Malibu - rich bastard! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 19:21:49 (EST)
Poster: Jim Email: To: John K. Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: John, I'm not sure of the year but it was the second Kissimee HJ. Maharaji started freaking people out, talking about how worthless we were and how great he was. This was when he talked about how he could lift us in the air, turn us all blue and show us who's who. A lot of people left then. A lot more tried to leave but were satsanged out of it at the gates. Gallwey is indeed Mr. Inside. He didn't 'wale ther fields.' He waled the fields. (I rarely proof-read here. Sorry). I mentioned this before. He came over to our premie maintenance area in the middle of one night, wrapped in a blanket and semi-catatonic. The grace was really working on him. I gave him satsang which he both accepted, freak-out premie as he was, and rejected, big-shot premie as he was nonethless. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 19:26:26 (EST)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: Hey, that was no typo. That was a ghost. I typed 'walk' not 'wale.' Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 19:43:34 (EST)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Rick Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: Just for fun, I'm going to respond to you, Rick, before I read Katie's post below. I don't think I was rude. I merely stated my opinion, which hasn't changed, that Katie's wrong to protect premies from the hard questions. We earned those questions and so has anyone who has anything to do with Maharaji. I'm not particularly into scaring people away. To the contrary, I enjoy discussing Maharaji, as do we all. I just like talking about him honestly. That invariably leads to the incontrovertible fact that he has both claimed xxxxx and denied xxxxx over the course of his illustrious career. We've already come across premies who will admit that. They say that, yes, Maharaji's talked out of both sides of his mouth. It's pretty hard to talk with them. When someone says that I just try to get them to acknowledge that that level of hypocrisy only goes unchallenged in cult leaders. The discussions don't often get that far. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 20:48:57 (EST)
Poster: Jim Email: To: Katie Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: Katie, I thought I just posted an answer to you but it got lost. (Sometimes I can't get through to the page even though, if I've got a window open, I can walk from post to post. I think my reply got lost in all that.) Well, I didn't think you'd take offence to me simply calling WRONG. I mean, what's wrong with that? As hoped and expected, you're far too fair and intelligent to take me calling you WRONG the wrong way. Good. Katie, you do puzzle me (and may indeed be WRONG) when you say premies could be doing worse and you don't care what they do, so long as they're happy. 'Doing worse' is an interesting standard against which almost everything looks not so bad. The junkie upstairs knows he could be doing worse like the junkie down the hall. On an 'absolute' scale of human endeavours, I'd have to say that wasting your life believing in a fake spiritual leader is pretty bad. What could be worse? Believing in TWO fake spiritual leaders? And this happiness bias, you've got... what is that? Are you saying you'd prefer to think that premies are happy and deluded rather than unhappy and undeluded? And, if so, I'd have to wonder how unhappy you think we ex's are compared not with other premies, so much, but with our own former premie selves? Now there's a thread for you ........(see above) Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 23:01:02 (EST)
Poster: Hi Email: bb To: Katie Subject: Kathryn! (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: Katie, what's the likelyhood of some 13 year old getting knowledge in 1983? zero. That character was a fraud. Imissed you too. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 07:57:59 (EST)
Poster: Scott T. Email: To: Jim Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: Jim: Regarding: That invariably leads to the incontrovertible fact that he has both claimed xxxxx and denied xxxxx over the course of his illustrious career. Jim, you lack imagination. GMJ has a license to do that. We don't. What's the matter with you anyway? Now I think of it I've been meaning to apply for that license but, as I said before, I'm Welsh... and can't get a copy of the study manual. Besides, only one thing I can do with it anyway. If you are in academe your contradictions get put into print, but at least you can admit you might have been wrong in one or both instances. Because I can admit to being wrong I guess I don't need the license. -Scott Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 09:47:58 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: bb Subject: Hi, William (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: Katie, what's the likelyhood of some 13 year old getting knowledge in 1983? zero. That character was a fraud. Imissed you too. I was wondering about that, too, Bill. I was going to ask her about it, but... Anyway, she did say she got knowledge from Ira Woods, and at one point op hinted that kids younger than 18 might still be able to get knowledge (I suppose if they had their parent's permission?) It would be interesting to find out. I still think "Student" was a real person though. Take care of yourself. I'll be around - you can always e-mail me, you know! Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 09:54:35 (EST)
Poster: Katie off topic Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Scott T. Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: Hi Scott, Should we address you as Dr. S. Talkington yet? Or is that still pending? Regards from Katie Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 10:49:15 (EST)
Poster: e- mail to Email: bb To: Katie Subject: Katie@forumba.com (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: I think OP would correct herself if she was here right now. maharaji won't even give his kids knowledge before 18. He won't make an exception for a lesser incarnation. If a kid is dying and had some religious request maybe rules would change with permission from the living lord, but there is no indication I have heard from m that he has ever been requested to do anything like that before. I am sure he would have talked about it if he had. I will ask Ira if he comes around. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 14:56:45 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: bill Subject: you have the wrong Katie (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: I think OP would correct herself if she was here right now. maharaji won't even give his kids knowledge before 18. He won't make an exception for a lesser incarnation. If a kid is dying and had some religious request maybe rules would change with permission from the living lord, but there is no indication I have heard from m that he has ever been requested to do anything like that before. I am sure he would have talked about it if he had. I will ask Ira if he comes around. Hi Bill, Just to let you know, my address is petkat@mail.trib.net. Plus, why would someone lie about something like that? She said she got knowledge and didn't really practice it until a year ago. What's the point of making that up? Just wondering, Katie Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Mar 6, 1998 at 00:04:18 (EST)
Poster: Scott T. Email: To: Katie off topic Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: Hi Scott, Should we address you as Dr. S. Talkington yet? Or is that still pending? Regards from Katie Katie: Yes, I successfully defended my dissertation so I guess I'm now a "doctor." I don't think I'll go into brain surgery just yet, however. Thanks for your interest and support. -Scott Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Mar 6, 1998 at 00:11:37 (EST)
Poster: Scott T. Email: To: e- mail to Subject: Knowledge to "lesser incarnations" (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: I think OP would correct herself if she was here right now. maharaji won't even give his kids knowledge before 18. He won't make an exception for a lesser incarnation. If a kid is dying and had some religious request maybe rules would change with permission from the living lord, but there is no indication I have heard from m that he has ever been requested to do anything like that before. I am sure he would have talked about it if he had. I will ask Ira if he comes around. Hi: I don't know how the rules evolved after 1976, but recall GMJ giving satsang at a program it Larchmont in '74 once when a woman got up and asked if her pet chimps could receive Knowlegde. She was very persistent and after awhile pressing the Master, GMJ said "Take them to Mahatma Guru Charanand." Guess it was a joke. -Scott Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Mar 6, 1998 at 00:35:09 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Scott T. Subject: Dr. Scott (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: Hi Scott, Should we address you as Dr. S. Talkington yet? Or is that still pending? Regards from Katie Katie: Yes, I successfully defended my dissertation so I guess I'm now a 'doctor.' I don't think I'll go into brain surgery just yet, however. Thanks for your interest and support. -Scott Hey Dr. Scott - Congratulations! I've never done it, but I've gone through it with someone else, so I know it can be an ordeal (although satisfying too). Regards from Katie Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Mar 6, 1998 at 01:35:15 (EST)
Poster: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Scott T. Subject: Re: Beyond (Re: Where WIll Jim Vacation? ) Message: Hi Scott, Should we address you as Dr. S. Talkington yet? Or is that still pending? Regards from Katie Katie: Yes, I successfully defended my dissertation so I guess I'm now a 'doctor.' I don't think I'll go into brain surgery just yet, however. Thanks for your interest and support. -Scott Congrats on successfully defending your disertation! I hope to do the same in a few years. This is quite an accomplishment. I am always happy to hear that a former Premie has received a Ph.D. Regards, Michael Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Mar 3, 1998 at 21:38:14 (EST)
Poster: Rick Email: rtaraday@hotmail.com To: Everyone Subject: Miami Riots 1980 Message: I've noticed a few ex's were in Miami in 1980. Anyone there during the riots? I was on the fringes of the community at that time (I remember going to satsang a few times a week at the church on Biscayne), and living on W 79th St. When the riots hit, I had to drive through an armed road block to get to and from my apt. The neighborhood was being torn up pretty bad; and being white, I didn't stand a real good chance. So my wife (at the time), son and myself, slouched down in our car and drove out straight to L.A. What was your experience?(pardon the phrase) Did you stay after they were over? What was the general "hit" from the premies in Miami about the riots? Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Mar 3, 1998 at 22:29:59 (EST)
Poster: Fun in the Sun with the Email: ** To: Rick Subject: Living Lord (Re: Miami Riots 1980) Message: I was on the roof of DECA watching the 707 take off for the first time directly overhead. We all cheered wildly as the noisy thing screamed overhead. As it flew towards the east we all turned that way, as it flew out of sight, our eyes came down out of the sky and not far away to the east the first fires were smoking. We saw them at thier start. The next day Jim Hession was pulled out of his car and beat as he exited the highway so everybody was told to come off by the next exit. I lived across the street and I stood by the road on sunday morning and 5 black guys in a very slow moving car went by me looking at me with eyes I couldn't understand. I didn't know about the riots yet. I didn't read the papers of course. I was having a great time during that era as I wasn't allowed in the ashram and yet I had complete access to DECA and I lived in this wacky little community across the street from deca, it was 4 or 5 acres of treed land that had little cottages and trailers for rent. All my neighbors thought maharaji was some arab. So I called him The Shiek and everyone else there did too. There were 6 people who moved into my cottage over time and they were real bongo gopi's and we had a wild and free existance. Within the outer constraints of the whole dlm world of course. One of those ended up in maharaji's garage for about 10 years and all the reports I have heard are not good about his condition. Going from believing he is the lord to finally seeing he isn't can be various degrees of a big mess. I know some of the more rotten details of the riot situation but they are not that good to know so I will just let them be. I have lots of miami stories for sure, for anyone who wanted to take maharaji up on the devotional life stuff, I have certainly had a big era of doing that with others at enough of a distance from him so that he couldn't ruin it. And he had nowhere to take it when it was in front of him. That's the reality. He can't do anything with those that play the other side of the devotion equation. He only knows how to keep them busy doing things for him. That's very hindu, but it's not what a living lord would do with the opportunity if there ever was such a creature. Well, I lived the fantasy. Christains say sometimes- ' oh if I was only there when Yeshua(jesus) was there! I would ...' Who knows what. Well, WE DID that whole scene for a while. And of course it had it's wild moments. We were on a big, massive adventure and we were kept on the edge of our seat waiting, waiting waiting for him to 'manifest himself' to the world and us. Then of course he didn't know what to do with all that and the god or the dna or the system gave him all sorts of long term personal defects that were severe enough to free more and more people as time went on. Now he would like to do that over on a larger global scale and with the plane now and the systems set up he is all set to be the hero. He even mentions that on the first Mr. Ex. post of him speaking at amaroo. He talked about doubt and being the hero. I'll have to pluck it out. The champion of knowledge and all that. I could go for that if he came out of his mid life crisis and came clean and just made a pitch for feeling your breath and being funny or something. But he has proven he is locked up tight and bound in his whole hindu orientation and his insecure ego problem and his need to mask the reality of himself because he could never let go of everyone serving his kingship. Notice the premies chanting that phrase? Something maharaji says about having high standard? Well truly he is talking about lifestyle and his demands for everything to be perfect in his travel arrangements and his houseing and his every desire being executed to some mad degree of perfection. It is classic Narcissitic behavior. That will probabaly be his stated condition when shrinks get around to looking at maharaji. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Mar 3, 1998 at 23:05:06 (EST)
Poster: Selena Email: To: Fun in the Sun with the Subject: Re: Living Lord (Re: Miami Riots 1980) Message: Whoever you are, thank you thank you !!! You have said everything I have been trying to say, in a concise and fundamental way. It was very healing to read this. I never had the "opportunity" to get that close to M in the 70's OR 80's. Posts from ex ashram premies have helped, but the ex "fringe" premies help me see even more that my instincts were right, I didn't miss that much! It was fun and wild at times, but damaging. I suppose one could say that about a lot of things but we share this unique point of view. Imagine, living in a major city and not knowing aobut riots. I remember during those times, I didn't know who was president, and that was bad, that's one of the questions they ask if you go into ER with a head injury. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Mar 3, 1998 at 23:20:37 (EST)
Poster: John Cavad Email: To: Rick Subject: Re: Miami Riots 1980 Message: Rick, I was there too. Remember me? I had a brand new 19 inch Sony Color TV in my hands running down Biscayne screaming "Yee Haa Dogie. Thank you Maharaji for your grace." Actually, I found refuge in the Ft. Lauderdale community. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Mar 3, 1998 at 23:32:21 (EST)
Poster: Will Boik Email: ** To: Selena Subject: We will have to read the decade in review (Re: Miami Riots 1980) Message: Selena! You remind me. Did you see ANY episodes of happy days? Or Mork and MIndy? or see Any of the big movies during that era? The only time I read the paper was once when I was being laid off from deca and I needed a job to pay the rent. So I bought the miami herald and could hardly stand to read this alien message from the 'other' world. The only job I circled, the only job I called. the only job I thought I could handle after deca, was a job playing- 'Bruce the Spruce' the talking christmas tree! Talking to little kids from inside a tree outfit. Luckily for my deranged mind I got hired later that day again at deca. I think when 'love' or infatuation or whatever is involved, life helps out on behalf of that. Rules get bent, situations get tolerated for a while, and illusion reigns supreme. But there seems to be SOMETHING that is not interested in maharaji pulling off a global messiah solution. My personal belief is that Brian is the superior power in person. Or at least it's representative. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 11:56:17 (EST)
Poster: eb Email: To: Selena Subject: Re: Living Lord (Re: Miami Riots 1980) Message: "I remember during those times, I didn't know who was president, and that was bad, that's one of the questions they ask if you go into ER with a head injury." Selena and everyone, My story along this lines happened in about 1977 or so. I never read newspapers or watched TV--just SS&M 24/7. So once, when I was at my mother's house, I saw a newspaper article about how the government was planning to register aliens. At that time, in my mindset, I thought "Wow, they're so nonchalant about UFOs, extraterrestrials, aliens, etc., no big deal. Well, great!" Sometimes I look back and laugh; sometimes I shudder. eb Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 12:25:33 (EST)
Poster: Joy Email: Bluebirdd@aol.com To: Selena Subject: Re: Living Lord (Re: Miami Riots 1980) Message: For the entire eight years I was in the ashram (1973-80) I never ONCE heard the news, read a newspaper or watched television or went to a movie. I didn't know Watergate had happened (and I'm sure if I did, I wouldn't have cared much at that time). The exception was 1976, the "spaced out" year, where I was stoned every day and went to some rock concerts, but I still didn't participate in mainstream society in any of the above ways, and by 77 it was super-devotional roundup time again. So I guess we really were living on another planet. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Mar 4, 1998 at 13:47:07 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: Rick Subject: Re: Miami Riots 1980 Message: I've noticed a few ex's were in Miami in 1980. Anyone there during the riots? I was on the fringes of the community at that time (I remember going to satsang a few times a week at the church on Biscayne), and living on W 79th St. When the riots hit, I had to drive through an armed road block to get to and from my apt. The neighborhood was being torn up pretty bad; and being white, I didn't stand a real good chance. So my wife (at the time), son and myself, slouched down in our car and drove out straight to L.A. What was your experience?(pardon the phrase) Did you stay after they were over? What was the general 'hit' from the premies in Miami about the riots? I recall those riots very well. It was May, 1980 and I was community coordinator in Miami at the time. The city was in flames, in two sections. One was "Liberty City" which was near the satsang hall, and the second was an area near Coral Gables, not too far from the ashram was that I was living in, near the "Miracle Mile." Both were the predominantly African American sections of the city. I recall driving from my office on Miami Beach, back to Coral Gables and seeing the flames from the two sections on both sides of the freeway. For those who don't remember, it all started when the Miami Police, (aka "the gestapo") pulled over a black insurance executive on a motorcycle for a traffic violation and proceeded to beat him to death. It was Rodney King, only worse, and without the video camera. After a lot of denials by the police department and the city, the Feds forced a prosecution of the police officers under civil rights statutes and the trial was moved to Tampa because supposedly a fair trail was impossible in Miami. Sound familiar? Anyhow, some months later, despite what appeared to be overwhelming evidence, a jury in Tampa ACQUITTED the officers, and then, to top it off, the Miami Police department, in an amazingly stupid and arrogant move, REHIRED the officers. The riots ensued, and you can understand why people would be a tad upset. I recall some premies wanted to stay at the satsang hall to "protect it," but that Biscayne Blvd. hall, a former church, was a real piece of shit and not worth protecting, and I told the premies they couldn't stay there. Unfortunately, no one burned it down, I was kind of hoping that would happen. Keep in mind, too, that during this period, even without the riots, Miami was awash in cocaine and other drugs, (it was "Miami Vice" time) and it had the highest murder rate in the country. A whole lot of premies in Miami were into dealing drugs, including at the satsang hall and at festivals. Miami was a pretty unsafe place to be at any time, and the middle and upper classes were abandoning the city in droves. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 09:51:43 (EST)
Poster: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Joy and all Subject: Re: Living Lord (Re: Miami Riots 1980) Message: One of my best friends was a "householder" premie. She got knowledge when I did, at age 16, and had two kids by the time she was twenty. She recently told me that she secretly used to listen to the Watergate hearings on NPR during the day when her husband was at work (of course, she NEVER told anyone in the premie community about this!) Funny but sad, too. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Mar 5, 1998 at 12:51:32 (EST)
Poster: JW Email: To: Katie Subject: Re: Living Lord (Re: Miami Riots 1980) Message: One of my best friends was a 'householder' premie. She got knowledge when I did, at age 16, and had two kids by the time she was twenty. She recently told me that she secretly used to listen to the Watergate hearings on NPR during the day when her husband was at work (of course, she NEVER told anyone in the premie community about this!) Funny but sad, too. This really brings back memories. I recall in 1974 when Nixon resigned after Watergate that a Mahatma was staying in the ashram and I was supposed to drive him to some program or another. As we were riding in the car he asked me why President Nixon was resigning. It was so weird because I had no idea that was happening because I was so out of touch witht he world, and before I received knowledge I was a Political Science major and followed politics avidly. I recall telling Mahatma Vijayanand (he dumped GMJ in about 1976) that Nixon apparently thought that resignation would bring him peace and happiness, but that we all knew that happiness can only be found inside, through the grace of Guru Maharaj Ji. Back To Index -:- Top of Index |