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Forum III Archive # 16 | |
From: Jul 3, 1998 |
To: Jul 11, 1998 |
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Jim -:- A Barely Fresh Idea -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:53:30 (EST) __RT -:- Fresh outa the water Idea!! -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 14:38:46 (EST) __Jerry -:- A Barely Fresh Idea -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 15:25:11 (EST) ____John -:- A Fairly Fresh Idea -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 15:41:49 (EST) ______Rick -:- John-Guru tips -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 20:46:25 (EST) ________John -:- John-Guru tips -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 20:57:12 (EST) ________G's mom -:- John-Guru tips -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 23:03:27 (EST) __________Rick -:- John-Guru tips -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 00:20:49 (EST) ____________Jerry -:- John-Guru tips -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 10:45:35 (EST) ________Barney -:- Ramtha Makes it so! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 02:27:05 (EST) ____JW -:- A Barely Fresh Idea -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 15:44:45 (EST) ______x -:- A Barely Fresh Idea -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 16:22:58 (EST) ________JW -:- Thank, X -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 17:18:53 (EST) Jean-Michel -:- Need help -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 11:37:48 (EST) __RT -:- have a second helping! -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 12:01:29 (EST) ____Jean-Michel -:- The site is up ! -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:07:37 (EST) ______CD -:- The site is up ! -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 14:50:31 (EST) ________Jim -:- Thanks, Chris, most helpful -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 15:47:56 (EST) __________x -:- Thanks for the laugh -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 16:31:41 (EST) ____________RT Candles: 4 stars /5 -:- Thanks for the laughs!!! -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 16:48:59 (EST) __________CD -:- Thanks, Chris, most helpful -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 23:46:11 (EST) ____________BB -:- Irrational computer -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 00:51:56 (EST) ______________CD -:- The rational game -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 01:21:42 (EST) ________________bb -:- channeling garcia -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 01:58:08 (EST) __________________CD -:- channeling garcia -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 04:59:29 (EST) ____________________bb -:- channeling Cdia -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 08:40:34 (EST) ________________bb -:- The rational game -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 03:08:14 (EST) ________________Shah -:- The rational game -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 06:56:45 (EST) __________________Pasha -:- The rational game -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 08:33:52 (EST) ____________________bftb -:- The rational game -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 22:50:48 (EST) ________________Jim -:- CDCP - field experiment 9633 -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:05:30 (EST) ______________Jim -:- bb don't know shit! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 13:49:28 (EST) ______________Jim -:- and furthermore, bb!!! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 13:53:32 (EST) ________________bb -:- and foreverermore, bb!!! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 16:31:59 (EST) ________________CD -:- a local fallacy -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 18:06:26 (EST) __________________Jim -:- CDCP field analysis 8506 -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:35:50 (EST) ____________Jim -:- Thanks, Chris, most helpful -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:12:10 (EST) ______________Gerry -:- Blind Watchmaker -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:50:20 (EST) ________________Jim -:- Blind Watchmaker -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:58:02 (EST) __________________Gerry -:- Blind Watchmaker -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 15:06:55 (EST) __________Barney -:- Somebody Illustrate this stuff -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 02:41:53 (EST) ____________Barney -:- Clarification - Jim's stuff -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 02:46:00 (EST) ____________RT the Comic -:- Body to Illustrate this stuff. -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:16:42 (EST) ______RT -:- The site is outa sight -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 15:12:42 (EST) ________Jean-Michel -:- GeoCities is outa sight -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 04:42:11 (EST) __________Jean-Michel -:- NEW PAGES TODAY! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 11:32:20 (EST) ____________Jean-Michel -:- Feedback NEEDED! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 11:59:29 (EST) ______________Gerry -:- Feedback NEEDED! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 12:06:07 (EST) ________________Katie -:- Feedback NEEDED! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 12:32:16 (EST) __________________jean-Michel -:- Ok Katie! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 17:32:00 (EST) ____________________Katie -:- Ok Katie! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 17:49:50 (EST) ______________________Jean-Michel -:- Ok Katie! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:14:23 (EST) ________________________Katie -:- Ok Katie! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:26:29 (EST) __________________________Gail -:- Ok Katie! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 15:15:31 (EST) ________________Jean-Michel -:- Ok Gerry -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 17:29:39 (EST) ______________Gerry -:- Feedback NEEDED! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 13:28:51 (EST) ________________RT -:- NEED FEEDBACK?! Add Sound -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:05:52 (EST) __________________Katie -:- RT & Mr. Natural -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:24:46 (EST) __________________Jean-Michel -:- Sounds Ok RT -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 17:34:33 (EST) ____________________RT -:- karma toons on the way! POW! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 18:10:34 (EST) ______________________Jim -:- Those premie cartoons -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:42:27 (EST) ________________________Mickey the Pharisee -:- Those premie cartoons -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:33:51 (EST) ________________________RT -:- 'toon in! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:32:45 (EST) __RR -:- Need help -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 07:41:53 (EST) ____Katie -:- Need help -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 08:53:57 (EST) ____Jean-Michel -:- Need help/scan -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:12:25 (EST) Another -:- The God Police -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 03:29:24 (EST) __Judex -:- The God Police -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 03:57:09 (EST) __Richard -:- Ships that pass.... -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 05:44:14 (EST) __Sir David -:- The God Police -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 10:28:09 (EST) __Rick -:- The God Police -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 11:29:16 (EST) ____bftb -:- The God Police -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 12:33:40 (EST) ______G's mom -:- premies and Jim obsession -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 00:45:16 (EST) ________CD -:- premies and Jim obsession -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 01:33:14 (EST) __________G's mom -:- hey CD -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 10:45:02 (EST) __________John -:- A joke, small,irrelevan -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 15:14:57 (EST) __Jim -:- The Cod Piece -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 12:19:13 (EST) __dr. eb -:- The God Police -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:21:11 (EST) ____Scott T. -:- The God Police -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 19:22:05 (EST) ______eb -:- We could be heroes... -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 01:23:42 (EST) ____bb -:- dr. EB -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 23:30:30 (EST) ______eb -:- to bb -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 01:34:02 (EST) __Mark -:- The God Police -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 20:00:39 (EST) __TD -:- Deconstructing Another -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 22:32:46 (EST) __The Other One -:- for Another -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 00:09:11 (EST) ____Richard -:- Are you serious? -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 08:44:55 (EST) ______Gerry -:- Are you serious? -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 11:33:12 (EST) ________Rick -:- Are you serious? -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 12:34:52 (EST) __________John -:- Are you serious? -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 12:47:28 (EST) ________Katie -:- Are you serious? -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 12:52:32 (EST) ________JW -:- Are you serious? -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:30:25 (EST) __________Gerry -:- overly sensitive to criticism -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:26:44 (EST) ____________Katie -:- overly sensitive to criticism -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:45:31 (EST) ____________JW -:- overly sensitive to criticism -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:56:17 (EST) ______________Gerry -:- overly sensitive to criticism -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 22:25:37 (EST) ________________JW -:- You Better! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:41:19 (EST) __________________Gerry -:- You Better! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 00:48:52 (EST) ____________________JW -:- You Better! -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 12:39:45 (EST) ________Richard -:- Was I serious? -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 08:45:24 (EST) ______bb -:- white boy -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 16:46:52 (EST) ________JW -:- Play that Funky Music..... -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:33:05 (EST) __________bftb -:- Play that Funky Music..... -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 21:11:18 (EST) ____________JW -:- Wow, Thanks For That -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 21:22:05 (EST) ____Gail -:- What??????? He's a black guy? -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 22:53:11 (EST) Judex -:- Acknowledgement -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 01:26:14 (EST) __Richard -:- Acknowledgement -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 05:46:49 (EST) __Scott T. -:- Acknowledgement -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 19:46:03 (EST) ____Selena -:- Acknowledgement -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 21:15:03 (EST) Selena -:- Wild Night's End -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 00:42:33 (EST) __Gail -:- Congrats on ... -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 00:54:10 (EST) ____eb -:- Congrats on ... -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 02:02:05 (EST) ______Judex -:- Congrats on ... -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 03:45:50 (EST) ____Mickey the Pharisee -:- Congrats on ... -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 11:34:30 (EST) __Richard -:- Wild Night's End -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 05:50:52 (EST) __Katie -:- Wild Night's End -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 07:58:39 (EST) ____x -:- new baby!! -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 17:00:08 (EST) __Selena -:- thank you -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 23:18:16 (EST) __VP -:- Wild Night's End -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 23:44:48 (EST) Brian -:- Translation, Por Favor -:- Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 23:05:57 (EST) __eb -:- Translation, Por Favor -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:14:16 (EST) ____Selena -:- Translation, Por Favor -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 20:32:45 (EST) ____VP -:- Uh oh, eb! -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 23:25:00 (EST) ______eb -:- Uh oh, eb! -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 15:53:48 (EST) Jim -:- Rapture -:- Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 20:13:48 (EST) __Rick -:- Rapture -:- Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 20:59:12 (EST) ____Jim -:- Rapture -:- Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 21:15:08 (EST) ______Jerry -:- Rapture -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 10:25:35 (EST) ________John -:- IMHO -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:20:57 (EST) ____John -:- A Clown talks -:- Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 23:17:15 (EST) ______Jim -:- I finally understand -:- Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 23:29:08 (EST) ________John -:- Get me a screwdriver!!! -:- Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 23:40:11 (EST) ______VP -:- A Clown talks -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 00:28:19 (EST) ______Judex -:- A Clown talks -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 01:57:03 (EST) __JW -:- Rapture -- Jim, You Ninny -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 01:37:29 (EST) ____Gail -:- What ever happened to ... -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 01:42:28 (EST) ______JW -:- To Gail and Jim -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 01:48:26 (EST) ______Mark -:- What ever happened to ... -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 20:36:37 (EST) ________Jim -:- Joe Anctil -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:08:16 (EST) __________JW -:- Joe Anctil -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:12:17 (EST) ____John -:- On my high horse -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 09:45:19 (EST) ______JW -:- On my high horse -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:03:20 (EST) ____Jim -:- You'll love this -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 09:46:17 (EST) ______Barney -:- Factory Recall -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 11:21:18 (EST) ______JW -:- Gary Ockendon -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:17:28 (EST) ________Jim -:- Gary Ockendon -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:39:36 (EST) __________JW -:- Gary Ockendon -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:45:09 (EST) ____________Jim -:- Gary Ockendon -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 14:21:53 (EST) ______________JW -:- Gary Ockendon -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 14:55:19 (EST) ______________Gail -:- I'M REALLY GRATEFUL -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 16:55:12 (EST) ________________Jim -:- Are you, now? -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 17:00:47 (EST) ________________Selena -:- yes you are worth it! -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 17:48:18 (EST) __________________Gail -:- Iola -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:19:08 (EST) ______________JW -:- Gary Ockendon -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 19:35:53 (EST) ________________Barney -:- Thanks to old timers -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 03:12:32 (EST) ______________bb -:- St. James the rational -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 01:05:11 (EST) ______an old ashram girl -:- You'll love this -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 05:14:36 (EST) __eb -:- Rapture -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 01:50:35 (EST) __Richard -:- Rapture Police... -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 06:18:56 (EST) ____TD -:- Rapture Police who frisk! -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 22:02:07 (EST) ______VP -:- Rapture Police who frisk! -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 23:38:17 (EST) __Selena -:- Rapture and hurricanes -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 12:56:50 (EST) ____G's mom -:- Joe Antcil -:- Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 22:24:44 (EST) ______JW -:- Joe Antcil -- Yes, That's Him -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 00:53:13 (EST) ________G's mom -:- thanks! (nt) -:- Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 10:46:18 (EST) __fascinated by website -:- Rapture -:- Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 04:58:04 (EST) David -:- Birthday, cont'd -:- Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 17:22:24 (EST) __David -:- Birthday, cont'd -:- Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 17:38:11 (EST) ____David -:- Birthday, cont'd, final -:- Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 17:45:41 (EST) ______Robyn -:- Birthday, cont'd, final -:- Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 20:10:02 (EST) |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:53:30 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: A Barely Fresh Idea Message: A lot of us never bothered writing Maharaji because we were either intimidated, lazy or already certain he'd never reply. But, as we know, some people have written him, asked him a few things and, at least up until a few years ago, gotten a few answers. My suggestion is that people who have never written him do so now and, like I did last year, post a copy of the letter here on the forum. I think that would be really neat. It'd be neat for us all to read what each other actually says to this guy. There will be so many different tones. It'll be pretty outrageous if he doesn't answer a single one. Hell, you don't even have to write it twice. Just do the letter in word and copy it here. Simple. Who knows? Someone might even get a nibble. If not, how telling that the guru's really pulled up the drawbridge. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 14:38:46 (EST)
From: RT Email: uhuh To: Jim Subject: Fresh outa the water Idea!! Message: ...If not, how telling that the guru's really pulled up the drawbridge.... ..that's means there is a moat in god's eye! RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 15:25:11 (EST)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Jim Subject: A Barely Fresh Idea Message: Back in '75 or '76 when I was confused about receiving Knowledge or not, a premie friend suggested that I write Maharaji a letter. I did. It must have been about 20 pages long. It pretty much contained my life's story. I never got a reply. I did hear Maharaji say once at a program 'I read your letters if I have the time'. Do you really think he has the time to read letters from ex-premies? The Maharaji I (think I) know wouldn't waste his time much less find it. What would he gain by it? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 15:41:49 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Jerry Subject: A Fairly Fresh Idea Message: Maybe he could get some tips on what not to do in the future. Let's face facts, with his 8th grade education, he's kind of stuck in the guru line of work. I believe we could really help him out in figuring out how to avoid the mistakes he has made in the past. Just in case you're interested, the first thing I'd advise him to do is to keep his mouth shut. He could create a much more effective air of mystery and intrigue and wisdom if he simply sat in his chair and emanated. Anyone else have some ideas for how we could help him streamline his image, message, etc.? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 20:46:25 (EST)
From: Rick Email: None To: John Subject: John-Guru tips Message: Here's some tips for Guru Tub-o-Shit: -Start charging for knowledge. -Set up different levels of instruction, with increasing prices. Advanced zombies get higher status for all the dough they've dished out. -Reinstate premie satsang, get some glaze-eyed bliss-zombies to do introductories. -Make it harder to leave. Utilize Scientology tactics to make premies think twice about leaving. -Don't let premies spend their money on airlines and hotels. Only allow local residents to attend programs. If premies find it necessary to travel, have them stay at other premies houses, and donate the money that would have been spent on a hotel. -Get a speech-writer with some good material. Tremendous profits are lost when newbies ditch out, after hearing the dumb tripe on those videos. -Ditch the videos. No one's going to dedicate their life and money to a video-doll. -Re-open the ashrams and organize them properly so everyone has to work and generate profits. Have the little zombies re-tool and re-educate so they can make more money for Fatboy. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 20:57:12 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Rick Subject: John-Guru tips Message: Rick, I know I'm probably imagining this, but I could swear that I sense some hostility in you towards the guru. Well, I know a sensitive guy like yourself would never express anything so blatantly negative; it's probably just my mind playing a funny trick on me! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 23:03:27 (EST)
From: G's mom Email: None To: Rick Subject: John-Guru tips Message: I just had the vision of Rawat reading the tips and saying 'see ! If i really were all that bad I'd do all those things' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 00:20:49 (EST)
From: Rick Email: None To: G's mom Subject: John-Guru tips Message: Yes, I did think of that, but his lack of business ability is only matched by the emptiness of the product he delivers. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 10:45:35 (EST)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Rick Subject: John-Guru tips Message: Are we forgetting who owns the $20,000,000.00 jet? I don't and I don't think any of you guys do either. If anybody is qualified at offering suggestions on how to get rich by milking trusting, gullible souls I think Maharaji is the one who should post some suggestions for us. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 02:27:05 (EST)
From: Barney Email: None To: John Subject: Ramtha Makes it so! Message: I once saw a price list for Ramtha a few years back. Now, He/She knows how to do the scam - it's right up front. Little personal audienece for $1500 or more. But, hell that's only $3 million min. per year if you do a 40 hour week 50 times a year. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 15:44:45 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Jerry Subject: A Barely Fresh Idea Message: I sent a couple of letters to Maharaji around 1982. No reply. One I sent registered mail and I got a return receipt, not signed by BM, but somebody else. I also sent a couple of letters in the 70s, telling him how much I loved him and wanted to dedicate my life to him and how I prayed BM would control my evil mind, and one was answered by some premie in Denver whose service it was to respond to letters to BM. I don't think BM bothered to even look at a letter enless money was enclosed. Even then, some servant likely just deposited the money and threw the letter in the trash. Well, at least I'm not cynical! I just finished reading KK's response to my questions, and I responded below. Today, for the first time in a long time, I actually feel RAGE towards Maharaji. It's actually a little scary, the feeling is SO strong. I thought that was all behind me, but guess it's not. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 16:22:58 (EST)
From: x Email: None To: JW Subject: A Barely Fresh Idea Message: JW, Yes, I agree about feeling rage over this. Since I never believed in bm anyway, I dont have the same type of rage as someone who devoted a large part of their lives and funds probably does, but being close to people under bm's sway, I have been affected none the less. I too am blown away by KK's reports, although they only confirm the obvious. Money is sort of a tragic thing some times. Although bm has so much materially, in some twisted way, his followers are better off than him. They get to believe in something, all bm gets to beleive in is money. Premies are addicted to the guru worship trip, bm is addicted to money and living opulently. It's all really seedy and bizarre, but I'm not going to let it bring me down today. It's beautiful out, and I'm going to walk my poodle. I think he may be the real living incarnation of god! :) x Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 17:18:53 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: x Subject: Thank, X Message: I guess you are right. Perhaps BM does have his own living hell. And you are right. Must keep these things in perspective. I have a Dalmatian. And I know he THINKS he's god, but I don't think he cares about money. He was willing the other day to trade $20 for just ONE dog biscuit. A truly lotus dog, in the world but not of it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 11:37:48 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: jmkahn@hol.fr To: Everyone Subject: Need help Message: I’m working on ‘my’ new website’s new pages ! I intend to have a page with some of the BM’s most famous and outrageous claims and quotes. I already have a few of them : DUO proclamation The ‘rotten vegetable’ stasang (question & answer) Interviews of the BM on : marriage materialism mind and confusion I’ll be very glad any of you posting here the most outrageous quotes you have, or email them to me. |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 12:01:29 (EST)
From: RT Email: code one To: Jean-Michel Subject: have a second helping! Message: Hi Jean-Michel I did a lot of serve-us at DECA and can contribute. When your site is up, I will compose myself! regards, RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:07:37 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: RT Subject: The site is up ! Message: Go check at: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/1151/index.html Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 14:50:31 (EST)
From: CD Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: The site is up ! Message: Jean-Michel web site Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 15:47:56 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: CD Subject: Thanks, Chris, most helpful Message: Chris, When you finally die and you're up there and Maharaji's going over your track record, how're you going to explain helping people find the web page housing, amongst other blasphemies, 'Prempal Rawat's Famous Claims'? I know Maharaji has a few communication problems of his own but that doesn't mean he's going to appreciate YOURS. You're going to have to actually answer this one Chris: 'Chris Dickey! Well, well, the famous Mr. 'CD',is it? Mr. 'Certified Microsoft Dickhead', is that what I should call you? Can't keep yourself off the net, can you? In spite of all the love I've given you and everything. And what did I ever ask? Did I ever ask anything in return from you? What did I ask?' Well, Maharaji, I really enjoy practising.. 'That's not what I asked you, you idiot! I asked you, 'what did I ever ask of you?' Now, tell me, what?' Oh Maharaji, I really enjoy the.. 'You stupid, stupid idiot! Did I do this to you? There's no fucking way I did this to you! You're not going to lay this on me! No fucking way. Raja Ji!' 'Yes, Maharaji. 'Raja Ji, did I do this to Chris Dickhead here? Am I responsible for this?' 'No, Maharaji, of course not...er, what? Do what?' 'Did I screw up this guy's BRAIN, stupid? What do you think I'm talking about? Hey, we already know who screwed up YOURS! Christ, is EVERYONE around me a fuckin' moron or what?' 'No, Maharaji, you didn't do anything but give Chris a chance to learn to love you.' 'Right, exactly! So you tell me, what did I ask of him in return?' Well, I don't know... that he stay off the net? 'That you stay off the net, Dickhead! That you stay off the net! The only thing I ever asked... I gave you all my love, ALL of it, you hear me??!! And the ONE thing I ask, the one simple, fucking, little nothing, like NOTHING, one simple little GESTURE, you know? But NO, Mr. DICKHEAD here.... Mr. CERTIFIED MICROSOFT... you know what 'microsoft' stands for, Chris? Do you? Well 'micro' means 'small', I happen to know, and 'soft' means soft, right? So 'microsoft' means small, limp dick, doesn't it? DOESN'T IT? So you tell me, what the FUCK are you doing --sorry, WERE you doing. You're dead now, buster -- posting on that stupid goddam fuckin slimebag, mind page? Huh?' 'Well, Maharaji, I was just trying to .. 'Yes, yes, what? Trying to what?' 'I.. I forget. I like to practice and I like to play guitar and I have good memories.' Of videos, and you, and beer... and ... 'Oh shut up! I can't take this any longer! Don't you know what's going on here, Chris, you fuckin' bongo? Don't you know why they call it the net? Because it TRAPS you, premieji. Remember all that stuff I used to say about the mind?' 'Yes, some of it. 'Well, you're not supposed to, you know? Not unless I tell you to. Anyway, forget about the mind, it's the net you ahve to watch out for. But what the fuck? You're already dead. I guess you can't do any more damage. Okay, fine. Get out of here.' 'But, Maharaji, ...' 'Yes??! What else do you want to bother me with?' 'Well, do I get to merge with you now or something?' 'GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE, YOU HEAR ME? OUT!!' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 16:31:41 (EST)
From: x Email: None To: Jim Subject: Thanks for the laugh Message: That was a crack up Jim, Maybe you should consider a second career as a comedian. Seriously x Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 16:48:59 (EST)
From: RT Candles: 4 stars /5 Email: huh? To: Jim. Subject: Thanks for the laughs!!! Message: Jim give 'em Heller -Heller Lie-down comic of da org. This ain't hiaku, but butterfies applaud with soft wingtips. RT :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 23:46:11 (EST)
From: CD Email: None To: Jim Subject: Thanks, Chris, most helpful Message: You are welcome. It seems that I have brought some well deserved cheer to your rigorous existence as a lawyer and seeker of rational logic in this lifetime. CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 00:51:56 (EST)
From: BB Email: None To: CD Subject: Irrational computer Message: Jim is avoiding rationality in at least ONE area. How about You? Do you think the 'oneness' is like a computer also? The new agers and athiests (includeing Mr. Rawat), think that WE do all the programming and that the computer can't do anything on it's own. Without mentioning evidence, what kind of power would exist capable of takeing advantage of a perfectly located planet to unfold a so-called dna system of manufacturing, (using non-dna manufactured elements), and haveing a richly endowed human walking around, would just leave itself out of the adventure and turn into a deaf, dumb, mute, blob, of spiritual 'oneness'? I mean, it's funny! Rawat thinks it's OK to pose as god because he thinks the power has no conciousness of it's own! There are LOT'S of people like that. One hindu has a stupid idea a long time ago and now we have millions of people that are confused by that. To limit the capacity of the creative conciousness is not something we can accomplish by our ideas and religious proclamations. And on the other hand, the folks who believe the power is concious attribute qualities and behaviours to it that are a lot of wishful thinking. Rational? Realistic? That isn't our track record for the most part. Just like your computer has a help button, I think the power has the capacity to assist as standard equipment. KK is a bolt out the blue isn't he? He helps me but I also cringe at my time spent in fantasy. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 01:21:42 (EST)
From: CD Email: None To: BB Subject: The rational game Message: >Without mentioning evidence, what kind of power would exist capable of takeing advantage of a perfectly located planet Perfecty located? The earth is in the middle of nowhere that includes both space and time. If we put too much thought into what this really means we must admit that it is quite incredible. This alone can give us a bit of a rush. Then, realizing that we are here adds to the excitement. >To limit the capacity of the creative conciousness is not something we can accomplish by our ideas and religious proclamations. The notion that we can experience something greater than what we can think up strikes me as correct and positive. >And on the other hand, the folks who believe the power is concious attribute qualities and behaviours to it that are a lot of wishful thinking. Yes, too much dependence on thinking clouds a nice view that we could be having in this life. >KK is a bolt out the blue isn't he? He sounds a lot like a guy I have heard of called bb. Let us see how KK weathers with time. Maybe he shall reveal his name in all its glory one day. >He helps me but I also cringe at my time spent in fantasy. You are still in a fantasy. Those who believe otherwise are also in a fantasy. KK is just a new crutch for you. You don't really need a crutch. You are OK. The true dilemma of this whole situation is quite deep! Don't forget that something apparently simple can be suprisingly powerful. Cheers, CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 01:58:08 (EST)
From: bb Email: None To: CD Subject: channeling garcia Message: . . . . . . O . . . . You know! Perfectly distanced from the sun! And with that nice wobble that is left over from the time that something crashed into the early earth and yanked off the material that made the moon. Well look, if I look at you as the lord I am supposed to obey and you play that role real heavy, I think that qualifies as a special brand of fantasy for a few reasons. Better to have the fantasy that the power's best reccomendation for the human is to 'love' (or like) the power, yourself, and others. And beyond that you are free to just live your life to your own inner impulses. Without a concious power provideing a check on things, human adventure could go endlessly down the worst possible roads and suffering people would have no justice. For example, look how deeply potent hate is. Hate is just too intense a human feature to create and then just have the creative thing go into some 'INERT' phase that ignored the human adventure. Look at the music you play. A couple brew's, maybe a toke, and your off channeling Garcia and Hendrix. During the so called dark ages in the west the impulse to develope all those instruments and structure and great classical music emerged propelled by a creative force that is not some inert blob of a oneness that can't think for itself. If the instruction for the human is to try to love, then what is the point in pretending to be god and me joining in that nonsensical dance? What in the world reason should I have been coerced into avoiding my family and friends? And presented with service as the only option allowed by the VERY demanding lord of the universe? Oh well, it is fine with me if he wants to have guru fun like any other guru does, but the problem I have is the 90 country effort to portray the power as rawat. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 04:59:29 (EST)
From: CD Email: None To: bb Subject: channeling garcia Message: >You know! Perfectly distanced from the sun! We live on a miracle but we forget all too easy. And then there is that majic called music. Your writing is interesting. You're OK BB! Best regards, CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 08:40:34 (EST)
From: bb Email: None To: CD Subject: channeling Cdia Message: Was THIS an - S. - post CD? I like you too. Although I'm not ready to pick out curtains! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 03:08:14 (EST)
From: bb Email: None To: CD Subject: The rational game Message: I agree with you about the simple powerful idea. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 06:56:45 (EST)
From: Shah Email: None To: CD Subject: The rational game Message: '...Let us see how KK weathers with time. Maybe he shall reveal his name in all its glory one day.' Why do you assume KK is a male? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 08:33:52 (EST)
From: Pasha Email: None To: Shah Subject: The rational game Message: Because rawat is a definate chovanist! For him to have a woman on the inner circle is unthinkable unless her position is prone! The head of EV is a figurehead and a diffuseing PR move. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 22:50:48 (EST)
From: bftb Email: None To: Pasha Subject: The rational game Message: Interesting thought but apparently not true.In 1990 a lady named(I believe) Belkas was right up there in the inner circle on equal footing with all the other mahatmas of the day. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:05:30 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: CD Subject: CDCP - field experiment 9633 Message: The earth is in the middle of nowhere that includes both space and time. If we put too much thought into what this really means we must admit that it is quite incredible. This alone can give us a bit of a rush. Then, realizing that we are here adds to the excitement. Oh, you mean the fact that if the earth was the slightest bit slower in its orbit it would fall off its trajectory and plummet into the sun? Or that if it were the slightest bit faster it would shoot out into the galaxy? Nothing special about that at all. You, too, should read The Blind Watchmaker, Chris. You are still in a fantasy. Those who believe otherwise are also in a fantasy. KK is just a new crutch for you. You don't really need a crutch. You are OK. The true dilemma of this whole situation is quite deep! Don't forget that something apparently simple can be suprisingly powerful. So, what's your fantasy, Chris? And if you see it as such is tht a fantasy too? And 'crutch'? You've used that word before. What do you mean here, Chris? (I use the word 'mean' advisedly, believe me.) How do you think bb thinks he 'needs' kk and what's wrong with that? And what do you mean by your 'true dliemna' sentence? And why are you such a weenie? And do YOU happen to know what it is that you agree with Katie about? And what does Katie like you at all you fuckin' weirdo? Is it becuase she likes everybody? And what does 'like' mean to her anyway? Yeah, that's it... I'm going to ask you about OTHER people, Chris, beign that you can't talk about yourself. Maybe you're just a born gossip and you haven't found your voice yet. So, Chris, what do you think about that Cynthia chick kk was talking about? Naw, that's no good. Let me see... Hey, Chris, what do you think about Becky's infatuation with Islam? Nuts, eh? Chris? Chris? You there, Chris? Oh well. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 13:49:28 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: BB Subject: bb don't know shit! Message: But I love him anyway. Bill, this is quite serendipitous. You just posted the above including this: How about You? Do you think the 'oneness' is like a computer also? The new agers and athiests (includeing Mr. Rawat), think that WE do all the programming and that the computer can't do anything on it's own. Yeterday, reading The Blind Watchmaker, I came upon a section where Dawkins deals specifically with this very fallacy. (Sorry, Bill, YOUR fallacy). In depth, well-written, extremely interesting and persuasive. As a charter member of this web site (I've never done this before!) I command you to read this book! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 13:53:32 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: BB Subject: and furthermore, bb!!! Message: Without mentioning evidence, what kind of power would exist capable of takeing advantage of a perfectly located planet Bill, this is absolutely incredible. Have you been reading the Blind Watchmaker yourself and are now just playing the fool trying to get a rise out of me? Is it my birthday or something? You know...'SURPRISE!!'? Bill, Dawkins explains THIS fallacy you're burdened with as well. It's so simple and elegant. It'll blow you away. Time to do a little reading, Mr. b. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 16:31:59 (EST)
From: bb Email: None To: Jim Subject: and foreverermore, bb!!! Message: I did plan to read the book. Your earlier post suggesting it was enough for me to do it. I am sure it will be fun to read. I liked river out of eden. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 18:06:26 (EST)
From: CD Email: None To: Jim Subject: a local fallacy Message: >Bill, Dawkins explains THIS fallacy you're burdened with as well. When people solve problems it is easy to only find the local solution. The global optimum is the hard part. I believe that your mental iteration scheme has gone down one of these valleys in the hyperspace of rational logic. CD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:35:50 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: CD Subject: CDCP field analysis 8506 Message: When people solve problems it is easy to only find the local solution. The global optimum is the hard part. I believe that your mental iteration scheme has gone down one of these valleys in the hyperspace of rational logic. Chris, If it were anyone else I'd imagine you were actually trying to discuss this matter with me. But it's not, it's you, so I'll assume nothing of the kind. And then again, you won't go so far as to SAY, so, I'll just kind of talk to you AS IF we're talking. Here's what I would say to you in that case: What the fuck are you talking about? Huh? Could you please explain yourself a little clearer? What's wrong, you been hanging out with Another or something? 'Global optimum'? 'Mental iteration'? 'Hyperspace of rational logic'? No wonder Katie likes you so much. She really has a thing for you smart ones, I hear. Hell, she married a professor. (That was probably before they had Certified Microsoft Thingamijiggers, by the way). I also find it so discouraging that you didn't ask ME to explain myself further. You had said something about how miraculous it was that the planets are in just the right place and all that and I'd said that that very concept is a joke IF you understand why. I also said that Dawkins explains why in The Blind Watchmaker. Now how in the world can you begin to criticize that proposition without knowing his theory? You can't. But you have. I think I infer some sort of ciritcism in your keyboard scratching, am I right? Like you're telling me that I've missed the big picture or something? Chris, you don't even know what I'm talking about! How can you even think of commenting? Chris, PLEASE, I'm begging you, won't you come in to the lab for a few weeks. We need some quality time with you, Chris. PLEASE, if not for you, for science. Think big, Chris. The world doesn't just revolve around you, your guitar and a few brewski. Think globally, will ya? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:12:10 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: CD Subject: Thanks, Chris, most helpful Message: It seems that I have brought some well deserved cheer to your rigorous existence as a lawyer and seeker of rational logic in this lifetime. Chris, I'm not a seeker of rational logic. I let my mind use its natural facility to think about life rationally. Try it some time. It's great for finding food, sex or whatever. And will you quit saying words like 'seeker' or 'lifetime'? All that premietalk gives me the creeps. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:50:20 (EST)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Jim Subject: Blind Watchmaker Message: Jim, I picked up a copy of this and I must say this guy Dawkins is an atheist maniac. I've never read such self serving, egotistical nonsense in all my life. Now wonder you're so screwed up! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:58:02 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Blind Watchmaker Message: Turn the book around, Gerry. You've got it upside down. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 15:06:55 (EST)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Jim Subject: Blind Watchmaker Message: Thanks Jim, I wondered what the problem was. I wish he could have used a larger font size, my arms aren't as long as they used to be. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 02:41:53 (EST)
From: Barney Email: None To: Jim Subject: Somebody Illustrate this stuff Message: PLEASE, somebody Illustrate this stuff and we've got a killer online comic book and the thirsty will come flocking and this website can get commercial sponsers like Microsoft or Trojan or Chevrolet! Super! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 02:46:00 (EST)
From: Barney Email: None To: All Subject: Clarification - Jim's stuff Message: Just to clarify that I was referring to Jim's incredibly excellent dialogues in case anyone thought I mean J-M's site, which is very nice and useful and I want see those links filled in with cool stuff. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 13:16:42 (EST)
From: RT the Comic Email: no way I got a life To: Barney et al Subject: Body to Illustrate this stuff. Message: Barney, I would like to volunteer to...I mean, can I... would it be ok?? OK OK I'll do it. It will be the hi-lite of the summer. Stay tooned! At least a month...these are not easy. RT - who still reads funnies. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 15:12:42 (EST)
From: RT Email: eeeeeeek To: Jean-Michel Subject: The site is outa sight Message: Dear J-M http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/1151/index.html no results/ & in geocities, internal configuration error on server. Please check server error messages....system sometimes goes before full moon. I did see the site last wk and printed the 16 pgs of the Radi-soma tradition! thx & bonjour. RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 04:42:11 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: RT Subject: GeoCities is outa sight Message: I think GeoCities has problems at times, too busy maybe also too many people there at the same time, look at the pages' counters! I might have to change host. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 11:32:20 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: NEW PAGES TODAY! Message: Some of your most favorite satsangs some of the deepest mind-fucking theories Everything I believed in right from start! Satsang, Claims, Quotes & Indian Fantasy! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 11:59:29 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Feedback NEEDED! Message: I'll welcome any comments, suggestions, help, anything. This is not 'my' website, I see it as a contribution to help us exes and our entrapped premies friends! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 12:06:07 (EST)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Feedback NEEDED! Message: Jean-Michael, How about a section on reports (comments) from ex-premies who were close to BM, the so-called ''inner circle''? By this I mean a consolidation of forum posts from people like KK. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 12:32:16 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Feedback NEEDED! Message: Dear J-M - One thing I would like to see on your site is your open letter to Maharaji. You posted it on the forum a few weeks ago. I can get it out of the archives if you'd like. I found it very moving, and I think a lot of other people did too. Not sure how you'd feel about this, but it's just a suggestion. Regards from Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 17:32:00 (EST)
From: jean-Michel Email: None To: Katie Subject: Ok Katie! Message: I don't want to be alone there! Don't you have other open letters like mine? That would be great! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 17:49:50 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: jean-Michel Subject: Ok Katie! Message: Gail wrote a good one too, quite recently. I think it deserves a place on a web site too. Plus maybe some others would be willing to contribute. JW's ten commandments are good, as well (remember those). And maybe Jim would even write a letter for you! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:14:23 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: jmkahn@hol.fr To: Katie Subject: Ok Katie! Message: Ok, email/post me anything! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:26:29 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Ok Katie! Message: I knew that was coming! It will take me a few days to get the stuff out of the archives, but I'll do it. I need to start saving this stuff on Word. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 15:15:31 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: Katie Subject: Ok Katie! Message: If you decide to print my letter, would you please fix the errors. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 17:29:39 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Ok Gerry Message: Would you write it? I mean, really! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 13:28:51 (EST)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Feedback NEEDED! Message: How about an ''In Memorium'' section, honoring and remembering the casulties of the ruthless and sociopathic rawat cult. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:05:52 (EST)
From: RT Email: OMMM To: J-M Subject: NEED FEEDBACK?! Add Sound Message: Hello J-M - thx for the effort. How about RealAudio file of discourses...which all can get free from www.realaudio.com? 25 seconds per soundbit would work. Also: more pictures; a family tree of satGurus (like a DOS tree) and of former DLM/EV presidents, cartoons from world press (I have a few choice, like R. Crumb's Mr. Natural meets God (BM)) Gerry's idea of an OBIT of suicides and lost people: the families involved amy not want this made public...sensitive issue. I dunno. Ask Katie. A very nice www site, clean and polite.... Maybe needs more Jim! RT ;-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:24:46 (EST)
From: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: RT Subject: RT & Mr. Natural Message: RT, if you can send me a copy of that Mr. Natural cartoon, I will scan it for either JM or Brian OR I will put it on my own web-site and link to it. I can't believe you have a copy - I remember it well. It's a classic. Thanks, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 17:34:33 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: RT Subject: Sounds Ok RT Message: Would you gather the materials? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 18:10:34 (EST)
From: RT Email: mmmmmmmm To: Jean-Michel & Katie Subject: karma toons on the way! POW! Message: OK... You are going to LOL...the last panel is so great- thousands of Premies marching up the street holding pictures of MJ - and all the Premies look like MJ - the same poster they hold! Mr. Natural falls over. Pretty sharp. ...Manifesting right there in a Zap comic! oh the Lila... I'll get this art this weekend and mail to Katie, it would really fit on either web page. I recall the comic to be 4 pages. Anything else will be included. If you remember the Premie Publication from Denver, LIGHT READING, '75-77 ...I was the 'art director' We had this great artist Jim Somebody draw ink renderings of MJ driving a bus ...that would work too. You'll see..but, I will redraw all the tires as flat. RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:42:27 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: RT Subject: Those premie cartoons Message: Hey RT (or anyone), Whatever happended to that premie who used to do all the cartoons in the English Divine Times? Remember? He even put out a book at one point. Wouldn't it be neat if he was now an ex and suggestible to serving Satan? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:33:51 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Jim Subject: Those premie cartoons Message: I did a strip for the local Premie newsletter for about a year. They liked it when I made fun of other groups, but when I started in on DLM, people lost interest in the strip, and they just didn't get printed. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 11:32:45 (EST)
From: RT Email: mmmmmmmmmm To: Jim Subject: 'toon in! Message: Jim, yes I remember his style..may have a copy..I think he did the '70s take off on R. Crumb: First panel: person watching tv in a congested room of trash, food, clothes. Eyes dripping out of head. Caption: Stressed out? Second Panel: Guy truckin' down to the local center, hearts flying in the air. Caption: Stroll on over for Satsang! duh. RT PS: please read Becky Thread of today, I think her idea has merit! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 07:41:53 (EST)
From: RR Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Need help Message: Jean-Michel, I've got a wonderful poster from the early days, 'God is Great, but Greater is Guru, because he reveals God'. Yes folks, it may sound hard to beleive, but back in the early 70s GMJ was presented as being 'Greater than God'. Shalll I email the bitmap. It may take a while to sort it out, as I'll need to get it colour photocopied and reduced before I scan it. RR Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 08:53:57 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: RR Subject: Need help Message: Not hard to believe, RR - I have heard the quote and so have most of us who were around back then (incredible, isn't it?). I'd love to see the poster on either website. J-M and Brian can fight it out. Thanks, Katie P.S. I am always amazed that people have kept all this memorabilia. I don't think it's weird, but I moved a lot, so I didn't save very many things. Most of my M stuff went in the trash in the late seventies. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 09:12:25 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: RR Subject: Need help/scan Message: Better text file, or picture minimum 150dps better 200dps Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 03:29:24 (EST)
From: Another Email: None To: Gail & Everyone Else Subject: The God Police Message: I Read all of the comments about my last few posts. Thank you all for your responses. I feel that we have all begun to speak to a subject rather then at each other and that is the natural surface for discussion to be played out on. I will look in occasionally. I may post, depends on the content. Thanks to Gail for being steadfast in your pursuits, please print a copy of my Thank You thread below and glance at it when you feel things closing in. I wrote it for Gail the person, not Gail the premie. So please know that this applies to YOUR PERSONAL COURAGE and besides Jim could tell you which books contain this kind of reinforcment, but mine is free. Thanks to Jim for maintaining the status quo, drawing blood and giving no quarter as you derive your manifestos from the bold plunder of things divine.(Just My OPINION, don't go ballistic on me, now) Your continued introspection on things long since played out, will validate the present and should keep you in ethos rendered compost for a long time. Be wary of tossing into the divine wind though, sometimes everyone smells it but you. Be a little concerned at how much you use, you may find that the victory garden didn't die for lack of water but rather, a bit too much of a good thing. Thanks to Richard for finally calming down a bit. I don't mean to usurp my visitors pass, but demaening another over text and the application of literate pronunciation is petty. Our joust is vital to all of the souls who attend this contest. Even though you infer that I make no sense, there are a few here who agree to some of my offerings. Still, the pecking order doesnt allow them to speak without fear of ridicule. Thanks to Judex for allowing me to look into your personal thoughts. I wish things for your future are all that you can dream of. Thanks to Mark for uplinking me to the 'Richard Nixon Memorial Library and Etheric Website. It's a distinction I will wear as a badge of HONOR. Keep reminding everyone that 'I am not a schnook'. Thanks to The Other One for shining the lamp on deception. Remember though, we carry no shadow in the realm of the heart so there is no need for a crier. I hope the watchtower doesn't burn down around you if I leave you alone with that box of matches. Thanks to John for supporting the ASPCA, it a welcome diversion. After all it's a dogs life out there and someone needs to hound you about Grace. I refuse to roll over and I am constantly learning that idiocy has no peer only new tricks. Thanks to John Hammond Smyth, Scott T. and Mark for all of your endearing solace. Together you could be a team. Go around the world helping [sic] people like me. You made me laugh so perhaps a comedy routine is in order. 'The Three Stodges'. Seriously all, I needed to incur into this cybermembrane because unlike most of you, I have none of the perception issues with regard to Maharaji and his way of dealing with life. I also have found infinite blessing with this knowledge and simply put, one will not be able to understand this with an intellect. I am sorry Jim, but one of us is fooling ourself. You think it's me and every other sap who continues to relish the Grace. I think it's your problem, wrought of your sacrosant intellect which you feel allows temerity to preclude you from an understanding of things divine. Thats fine for you but, what if you are wrong, what if I am right. Of course this is not possible so I am wasting my breath , right? Guess what big Jim mon' on the subject of 'Breath within the Breath ' you are so far wrong that you refuse to even consider that such a thing may be possible for others. You know a lot, fine. You will continue to badger those who waver from the unenlightened path you ascribe to and good for you. So you tell me, where the hell is that nectar comming from while I drive down the 405 during rush hour, my fucking intellect? No, sorry to inform you but those are some of the perks of trying to become immortal in this lifetime. I have seen some improvement in my diction and, the menacing context this site afforded me when I first sat in. It's nice to know we are all still growing. Regards, Another PS: To And Another, I am not the guitar player you asked about. Thanks to Richard for |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 03:57:09 (EST)
From: Judex Email: None To: Another Subject: The God Police Message: Dear Another Such a long goodbye, and you haven't taken a 'doggie' bag! Or perhaps a party bag & a piece of soggy cake to put under your pillow (it's always the best cake!) Just a little souvenir...? Take care, come back soon. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 05:44:14 (EST)
From: Richard Email: None To: Another Subject: Ships that pass.... Message: What's this...leaving already?......and I was just about to invite you home to meet my mother. Ah well...some talk is better than none I guess. Listen though, if you DO come back, how about ammending your tag so's we know it's really you, not that your style could be mistaken. But Another is a real fingerful so what about using Ano? Anyway, have a good one and remember, never do Nectar at the dental surgery, it really freaks them out. Richard Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 10:28:09 (EST)
From: Sir David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Another Subject: The God Police Message: Another wrote: 'So you tell me, where the hell is that nectar comming from while I drive down the 405 during rush hour, my fucking intellect?' Not from your intallect and not from Haharaji either. Having enjoyed this particular sensation numerous times, I'd say it was coming from yourself. Natural endorphines, dear fellow. Nothing to do with grace. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 11:29:16 (EST)
From: Rick Email: None To: Another Subject: The God Police Message: Another: I feel that we have all begun to speak to a subject rather then at each other and that is the natural surface for discussion to be played out on. Yes, it is so beautiful how you calalyzed things here. We were all speaking AT each other, but now we're speaking to a SUBJECT. Thanks for your generosity, you slime-coated waste dump. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 12:33:40 (EST)
From: bftb Email: None To: Rick Subject: The God Police Message: A good word is smarmy. now he aint kiddin nobody cuz even dummies like me know he'll be reading every post forever.Especially jims cuz he's enamoured. I love watching the jim obsession.It's really funny.See,jim's real smart.Real smart.The apologists read the site and they get stuck on jim because they see him as the one who can do the most damage.They're obsessed! So they say to themselves 'Hey;I'm pretty smart too.I ought to go there on that verbotin internet and show that jim a thing or two.I want to show all the wavering or non-wavering lurkers that premies can be just as smart as jim so they'll know that not ALL the smart ones leave.And certainly once they see how smart I am, and that even in the face of my obvious intelligence I still too can suffer from post nasal drip,...well....well,they'll just have to see the light won't they?' This guy has been one of the best.His passive aggression is a real treat. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 00:45:16 (EST)
From: G's mom Email: None To: bftb Subject: premies and Jim obsession Message: Wow...I think you are right about that. Jim's posts seem to really get to the premies like no others. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 01:33:14 (EST)
From: CD Email: None To: G's mom Subject: premies and Jim obsession Message: >Jim's posts seem to really get to the premies like no others. Yes by god, ma'am, they do. Jim is one dang heller raiser of a critter! Plenty nasty but not too frothy. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 10:45:02 (EST)
From: G's mom Email: None To: CD Subject: hey CD Message: CD, Am I imagining it or do I detect a certain affection you have for Jim? I remember our little cyber chat, I thought you begrudgingly liked him even then. G's mom Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 15:14:57 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: CD Subject: A joke, small,irrelevan Message: 'Yes by god, ma'am, they do. Jim is one dang heller raiser of a critter! Plenty nasty but not too frothy.' CD, I'm impressed. Looks like someone programmed a new literary style (country, hillbilly, redneck?) into your communication interface. Looking forward to further updates to your software. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 12:19:13 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Another Subject: The Cod Piece Message: Another, What's wrong with you, man? Here I posted a really serious, thoughtful note to you and you just revert back to this arch-backed surlyness. Hey, don't scratch, kitty! Why not do what you seem to think you're doing, and just simply talk about the subject? And by that I mean 'talk'. No Shakespeare, no Joyce, no e. e. cummings. Just you, Bob, Michael or Karen (whatever your name is) and people here. Talk. You know? You wrote: Your continued introspection on things long since played out, will validate the present and should keep you in ethos rendered compost for a long time. Be wary of tossing into the divine wind though, sometimes everyone smells it but you. Be a little concerned at how much you use, you may find that the victory garden didn't die for lack of water but rather, a bit too much of a good thing. Another, I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Could you please explain yourself? Guess what big Jim mon' on the subject of 'Breath within the Breath ' you are so far wrong that you refuse to even consider that such a thing may be possible for others. You know a lot, fine. You will continue to badger those who waver from the unenlightened path you ascribe to and good for you. So you tell me, where the hell is that nectar comming from while I drive down the 405 during rush hour, my fucking intellect? No, sorry to inform you but those are some of the perks of trying to become immortal in this lifetime. This part I DO get. Another, it seems like you're out of the loop on our own conversation. Please read my post below to you ('Poker') in which I explain how I deal with this issue. There's no point repeating myself again. Did you actually read that post? You never replied to it and now this continued diatribe. Really, man, that's NOT how people talk to one another, Another. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:21:11 (EST)
From: dr. eb Email: None To: Another Subject: The God Police Message: So you tell me, where the hell is that nectar comming from while I drive down the 405 during rush hour, my fucking intellect? Have you tried Claritin? Works for me. eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 19:22:05 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: dr. eb Subject: The God Police Message: Frau Doktor: Suppose we have him bottle a little of it, so we can send it to the lab. -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 01:23:42 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: We could be heroes... Message: and make lots of money. The doctor is in. eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 23:30:30 (EST)
From: bb Email: None To: dr. eb Subject: dr. EB Message: Good to see you posting dr. EB! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 01:34:02 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: bb Subject: to bb Message: Thanks! BTW, I like your perspective. Always interesting and often surprising. I hope things are well with you. Sincerely, eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 20:00:39 (EST)
From: Mark Email: None To: Another Subject: The God Police Message: Actually , Nectar is more powerful on the 101. other guru necter techniques are more powerful its a long honored form of spiritual activity in fact in russian the word for 'roof of the mouth ' and spirit are the same. Jim, by the way, is a closet nectar practicer and jammed with Hendrix in68 before K so don't be fretting about the lad's guitarwork ! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 22:32:46 (EST)
From: TD Email: None To: Another Subject: Deconstructing Another Message: Thats fine for you but, what if you are wrong, what if I am right. Have you seen Deconstructing Harry, Another? Woody Allen's last film.... In it there's this scene where he's with his sister who's very religious (Jewish) and berating him for his mocking of their faith. He makes this profound comment that part of the problem with the world is that there are all these different spiritual groups claiming they are the only ones with the direct line to God. I can't help but feel the same attitude to you and to that which exists in premie-dom. TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 00:09:11 (EST)
From: The Other One Email: None To: Another Subject: for Another Message: I liked the thread. You mentioned the Watchtower. Afew days ago a jehovahs witness came to the door and I had some time so I sat down with him. Plus he was a black guy so I was not going to just shoo him away. He gave me a Watchtower mag and I glanced at it as he spoke. I made him only quote yeshua(jesus). Here is a guy who may spend the rest of his life acting out the programming someone gave him about god. I know prem rawat has some amount of sincerity in some of his character. You look to that. Even if I chalk up ALL of the seventies and early eighties to him being confused by his hinduism and his personal flaws, what possible excuse can I give to his re-embraceing the master as god thing? The arrival of a guru trip into 90 countries is not a good thing and maybe you should consider just some of the consequences. As garbled up as religions are, at the center of them there is a moral and ethical message that is actually rich in some ways that people come to rely on as a behavioural foundation. Since the guru plays god, his views get to elbow aside all the previous good stuff and replaces them with the empty world view that: there is no god. YOU are the 'IT'. The guru is somehow more 'there' than you. Loving others is NEVER mentioned. Family is a pain in the butt. Everything is illusion. Except the master of course and his future decendent master children. THEY rule by the authority of somehow packageing the breath. Opponents are 'enemies'. You can cheat on your very sick wife even though SHE knows and doesn't like it. I guess that means I can do that to MY wife. Hell, she is sick also and my master fucks around. No blame, it's master lila. ect. ect. ect. The road show is just too faulty. You are looking for redeeming qualities but consider a little more than your selfish 'fun' and look at the full picture here. Broaden that smart base of yours. I would like to let go and not burn down the house but if the 'oneness' wants to get people to feel the breath it can hire someone else. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 08:44:55 (EST)
From: Richard Email: None To: The Other One Subject: Are you serious? Message: Plus he was a black guy so I was not going to just shoo him away. Is this a typo or what? Just check an explanatory item will ya. I made a mistake...... I will ammend that.... I am a racist......... I am a fool........... I am Louis Farrakhan.. I am Bobby Seal....... I am a rock........... I am an island........ I am about to explain. regards Richard Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 11:33:12 (EST)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Richard Subject: Are you serious? Message: Plus he was a black guy so I was not going to just shoo him away. Richard, I wouldn't get too upset over this. It sounds like you are taking this as a racist remark. I'm going to assume the writer is a white person. I've seen this type of reaction to black people (being overly solicitous, because the person is black) from many white people. I've done it myself. In my case it was from a desire to not appear racist and also curiosity from lack of experience being around blacks. I have to wonder at the overly sensitive reactions of people on issues of race, nationality, sexual orientation, or whatever it is that makes us feel different from one another. People are so quick to cry 'racist', 'homphobe', 'chauvanist' or whatever. Me thinks you protesteth too loudly. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 12:34:52 (EST)
From: Rick Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Are you serious? Message: Gerry, I agree that 'The Other One's' comment: Plus he was a black guy so I was not going to just shoo him away., doesn't confirm racism. We all have awkward thoughts, but it takes a certain dimwittedness to publish them without realizing it. Rick Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 12:47:28 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Rick Subject: Are you serious? Message: Well, I think it's reasonable for Richard to ask what the hell it means to preface any comment with 'because he was black...'. Sure, it's probably the opposite of racism, that is the bending over backwards to be nicer to someone black than to someone white. It's still kind of wierd. I don't like references to people's color if it does not figure in the story. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 12:52:32 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Are you serious? Message: Dear Gerry - I think the reason some people appear to be overly sensitive to issues of race, sex, sexual orientation, and so forth is because they have encountered discrimination in the past. When I first began posting on the forum, I was one of the only females who posted on here. In fact I was probably the only ex-premie female who posted consistently for a long time. I ALWAYS called people on sexist remarks - even if they weren't all that sexist (JW was real good about calling people on this too, which I appreciated). The reason I did this is because I didn't want the forum to get like a lot of the rest of the Internet, which tends to be dominated by hetero white males. If you reveal that you are a woman (or even use a woman's NAME) in some places on the web, you immediately get all kinds of come-ons and indecent proposals. I am sure it's as bad, if not worse, for gay people and people of other races. I've relaxed a lot on calling people on being sexist on here, because of the many other women who now post on the forum. I feel more comfortable, and I know that if the sexist talk gets too outrageous, we will together be able to stop it (I hope, anyway!). I really want the forum to be a place where I and other women can feel comfortable being open about ourselves, and I don't feel comfortable with sexist jokes or remarks or even with being treated patronizingly because I am female. I hope this helps you understand some of the apparent 'over-reaction' more. It is hard to know where to draw the line sometimes. Katie BTW I think Bill made that post about the 'shoo him away'. I am sure he did not intend it to be racist. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:30:25 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Gerry Subject: Are you serious? Message: I have to wonder at the overly sensitive reactions of people on issues of race, nationality, sexual orientation, or whatever it is that makes us feel different from one another. Just how easy is this for you to say this, Gerry? If you are SWM, how would you possibly know what it feels like to have some degrading commment made to you about something you are, and can't possibly do anything about, and so how could you say someone is overly sensitive for reacting to that? I don't know if Richard is black or not, so I have no idea whether he's overly sensitive or not, and I don't think Bill's remark was racist or meant to be racist, but I'm glad Richard had the fortitude and interest to ask the question. No harm in that, right? I agree that if you've ever experienced a racial attack you will be sensitive and might take something to be offensive when it really isn't, but I think you have the right to get that clarified. The problem with most prejudices is that people who have them don't think they do, or they think they're justified. That's just how it works. So, unless others point it out, they often go right on being prejudiced or racist. I don't think that's being overly sensitive. I recall a couple of months ago, a particularly obnoxious premie was posting on the forum and he and I were punching it out, and he made what I considered a homophobic joke, not in reference to me, but in reference to Jim. It had to do with soap and bending over, and showers...you get the idea. I called him on it, and he said I was overly sensitive. According to him, not only was I overly sensitive, but he said all 'you people' are 'overly sensitive.' Hmmm. I just dropped the issue then. Any statements on my part just confirmed his prejudices. But, I think the next time he does that, he will at least think about it first. At least I hope so. He was a particularly vile person by the way. A good representative of Maharaji for all to see. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:26:44 (EST)
From: Gerry Email: None To: JW Subject: overly sensitive to criticism Message: Just how easy is this for you to say this, Gerry? If you are SWM, how would you possibly know what it feels like to have some degrading commment made to you about something you are, and can't possibly do anything about. Being a white male, married and over forty I guess that says it all, doesn't it? We have no insight, no feelings for others and are psychotically prejudiced against anyone who doesn't match our demographics. And of course, I've never had anyone say shit to me about something out of my control. Nope, never happened. Couldn't possibly happen. I'm too white, too male and too vile. ... a particularly obnoxious premie... overly sensitive... ... He was a particularly vile person by the way. Gee, am I taking this too much out of context? Perhaps reading a little too much between the lines? Here's the algorithm: Bad premie said ''overly sensitive''=vile person. Gerry said ''overly sensitive''= vile person Why don't you just come out and say it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:45:31 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Gerry Subject: overly sensitive to criticism Message: Gerry, I don't know for sure, but I don't think JW had any intention of comparing you to this premie (whose pseudonym, BTW, was 'A Premie'). He made some very overt and pointed references to JW's sexual orientation, but they were veiled as metaphors or similes so he could say he didn't say anything if he was confronted. The shower thing was one of the least weird things that the guy said Anyway, the guy (or woman) had a BIG problem of some kind. From what I have seen, you do not. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 20:56:17 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Gerry Subject: overly sensitive to criticism Message: Gerry, I don't think and didn't say that you are either vile or overly sensitive, nor did I say you were prejudiced. I just took issue with your statement that people who react to comments they perceive as offensive, whether they really are or not, are all 'overly sensitive.' But be honest Gerry, have you ever, in your life, been attacked or called names because of something you are? Probably not, I know I never have. Yes that's right. I never have. But I know people how have, and I realize I don't know what it feels like, so I'm not going to suggest that someone who reacts to it is 'overly sensitive.' Maybe they are wrong in a particular situation, but I think it was just too broad-sweeping to say what you said. I used Mr. Vile premie as an example of someone who really is prejudiced who made the same argument you did, not because I equate what he believes or said with you. Sure, I may be a little 'senstive' due to your anonymous 'fruit' comment a while back, but then maybe your 'overly sensitive' comments were made with me in mind as well. Maybe? Just maybe? I think you're an honorable person, Gerry and I take what you say at face value. I didn't mean that post as a statement that you're not a good person, I just thought it appropriate to point out that your over-generalized a bit and that does have consequences and could be used by someone like Mr. Vile premie for his own ends. Please accept my apology if I offended. I didn't mean to. Joe Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 22:25:37 (EST)
From: Gerry Email: None To: JW Subject: overly sensitive to criticism Message: Joe, Yes I had you in mind when I said the O-S word(s). And I'm hypersensitive to criticism for all the usual reason, ie having lived with constant criticism and humiliation as a kid. As for being called names I was tagged in high school (by the football coach) with a beaut, over a particular genetic defect I have (no it's not that--so cut it out) and was referenced by that too many times. Great way for an adult to build esteem in a kid, huh? My present physician says this physical characteristic is within the range of ''normal variation,'' but man, I suffered over that one. So yeah, I might just have an inkling of what you're talking about. I wasn't hiding behind an anonymous facade when I made those offensive comments to you. It was just a little game I was having fun with (the indie yaweh part) and I fessed up quickly so there would be no doubt about who it was. Shit Joe, I was hoping we would be friends. Patty and I come to SF once a year or so when we can. This October we're planning on see the Deibenkorn exhibit at the MOMA. You and I have a whole lot more in common than we have differences. Our backgrounds are really similiar. Could I buy you ''that'' lunch? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:41:19 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Gerry Subject: You Better! Message: All I gotta say is that if you and Patty come to Babylon-By-The-Bay and don't look me up, I will be REALLY pissed! Showing people around this city I really love is about my favorite thing. I promise to take you places the tourists don't even know about, and I don't mean gay bars, either. Have you guys decided on a date yet? Lunch would be great, but no tofu, okay? Thanks for your honesty, Gerry. By the way, maybe you can meet my partner, his name is also Gerry; weird, huh? So many Jerry's and so few Gerry's. I should mention also that he's black, no, colored, no, negro, no, Afircan American. And you know how 'uppity' those people can be. [Just kidding of course. Of course I am, Gerry....DON'T......I didn't mean it!! --- sorry, gotta go! shit] Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 00:48:52 (EST)
From: Gerry Email: None To: JW Subject: You Better! Message: Omigod! This is to much cultural diversity and synchronicity for one day. Is Gerry a gemini, too? That would really be the kicker! I wonder if Gerry is a ''Gerard'' like me. Tell him that in German, ''Gerhard'' means ''hard spear.'' Also that in Catholic mythology, St. Gerard is the patron saint of pregnant women. I'm not making this up. Not sure the exact date of our pilgrimage but will let you know as we get closer to the actual time. This is fun! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 12:39:45 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Gerry Subject: You Better! Message: No, Gerry is a pisces and is a 'Gerald.' I doubt he has much German heritage, although he was raised a Lutheran and went to Lutheran schools, and speaks some German. He's an import/export banker, and really into music. He's a very nice guy. Let me know when your plans for SF get more definite. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 08:45:24 (EST)
From: Richard Email: None To: Gerry & Everyone Subject: Was I serious? Message: Dear All, Thanks for the discussion, I really enjoyed it. No I am not black/gay/female/ or a member of any grouping that is likely to be put down in any way. But I guess I must be sensitive to prejudices and sweeping generalisations or I wouldn't have posted as I did. Even as I compiled the post I was aware of the fact that I might be digging a hole for myself. However, this forum is a great place for communication precisely because we DO call each other to account for our statements. I don't necessarily feel that the poster WAS making a racist remark or even over-compensating for others perceived racism. I just thought that, given the pre-meditated nature of the medium, it was a strange comment to make. What does the poster think? regards Richard Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 16:46:52 (EST)
From: bb Email: None To: Richard Subject: white boy Message: Where I grew up in florida, the black folk DID live across the tracks. Separate high school, the works. And this was in the late 60's. I have brushed off mormons and other jehovah witnesses but when I pass a black guy or women on the street I say 'hello' and not just pass without a comment or look like most of us do to each other. Some black people I have met think alot of those moments when you look at the next persons eyes and turn away happen to them because of racism where you and I view that as just the normal way. I guess they think that white folk dont just glance away with each other. But of course we do it all the time. I figured I would just make it a policy to either nod or say hello as my two cents in the direction of the race thing. Also I wave or nod to the black kids that I pass in the car that are standing on the street looking at me. I guess its a reaction to so much 'nigger' talk I heard when I was young. My mothers maiden name was black. When people would ask me 'what are you' (requesting ethnic identity) I sometimes would say 'my mother was a Black' That would throw them. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 19:33:05 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: bb Subject: Play that Funky Music..... Message: white boy! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 21:11:18 (EST)
From: bftb Email: None To: JW Subject: Play that Funky Music..... Message: Your question moved to the inactive so I looked for a recent post from you where I assume you will be looking to and will therefore see this. I'm pretty sure I told my story here before but....basically I had known a lot of premies since the mid 70's because some close friends of my family were premies.I was always fascinated by it and as a kid I found the photos of M all decked out in the krishna stuff really strange.Strange in an intrigueing way though.I found these adults guru worship really strange,but what I didn't find strange was the fact that these were my parents coolest friends.I liked them the most.I loved talking with them about the guru and mainly I enjoyed hearing about meditation and their experiences with it.I never went to see M until around 1983 or so.I enjoyed what M said very much but was freaked out by the cult atmosphere-all the polyester suits on those security guys that made them look like narcs or something.I actually did meditation on my own which was basically just sitting there with my eyes closed for a long time.In the back of my head though I still always thought that M was it and eventually I'd humble myself and ask for K one day.In 1990 I went to my second program and within a couple of months I received K from M.I left within a year ,well I don't know if 'left' is the word, more like I just lost interest due to all the bs that inevitably comes with anything that tries to organise itself on a large scale.I still believed though and enjoyed practiceing but wanted nothing to do with the religion part of it.I felt a strong connection with M and that was it.I did have what I've spoken of before as some very extraordinary experiences,especially the day I was with M.If I could have spent all the time with M personally then I'd probably still be there now,but that's not how things worked.I figured I'd just practise and see M when he came around but actually I haven't seen M since back then but I do occasionally still practice. So;I never had a bad time.Never gave all my money away.Never lived communally and sexless.I had a really good time actually.I liked most pleeb premies like myself but didn't care much for many of the higher ups. I never lost interest in M and K so I always did net searches on the subject and one day stumbled in to alt.support ex cult and was floored by what I was reading.I couldn't believe that there was so much bitterness towards something I found relatively benign.As I read more and longer I learnt all kinds of stuff that I'd had no idea of before and came to see that the anger wasn't whining but that in fact there was basis for it.And I continue to learn more and more and it's not very comforting for my M's o.k. feeling.I did always feel that M was 'santa' if you know what I mean and I went to meet santa and I went through all the steps that one goes through to meet santa and to receive santas present.It's just that now after all that's come to light here I see him as santa less and less. Don't mean to overwork the santa thing but really in my life santa was always waiting.And I probably put off meeting him because maybe I kind of knew subconsciously that it was just a folk tale and if I finally actually met him it would be like meeting Oz.So as long as I didn't meet Oz then santa existed.It was probably all part of not wanting to grow up.Like Peter Pan. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 21:22:05 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: bftb Subject: Wow, Thanks For That Message: Boy, that's amazing. I'm sure premies who didn't do what I and a lot of others did -- dive in head first and only come up for air 10 years later -- are dealing with somewhat different issues. I guess you have sort of kept your distance, and so the 'reality' of what Maharaji is, has never confronted you, or hasn't much. Also, since the whole thing didn't cost you much, it might be less of a big deal. It's also likely a major issue to have family and friends of your parents involved. I can really see how it might be harder for you to let go. For me, it was a matter of survival. I felt like if I didn't let go of M I would die. I had been so terrified by what he said over the years to even think about losing confidence in him, and especially leaving him and to stop practicing, that it practically took the fact that I didn't care anymore, anything was better, for me to leave. But you were likely never that indoctrinated. Thanks so much for sharing that. You must be a relative youngster compared to most of the rest of us! Thanks again. JW Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 22:53:11 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: The Other One Subject: What??????? He's a black guy? Message: That's the superior race, don't you know. Given the world's ozone problems, dark skin is the way to go. You don't have to be extra nice to dark-skinned people as a token of good will or to mask your prejudices. Get with the program Buckwheat. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 01:26:14 (EST)
From: Judex Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Acknowledgement Message: Hi everyone, this has been on my mind for a few days..I want to acknowledge that this is probably the first time I have ever dealt with a big issue like leaving 'Knowledge' at the time that it is actually happening. Facing it in all its aspects is so helpful and means I can really face it and then let it go. Just like ending a bad relationship on a positive note, it leaves me free to trust myself again. Thanks, everyone & especially the people here before me, who have made this possible. not drowning, laughing Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 05:46:49 (EST)
From: Richard Email: None To: Judex Subject: Acknowledgement Message: Dear Judex, ditto girl and back atcha Richard Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 19:46:03 (EST)
From: Scott T. Email: None To: Judex Subject: Acknowledgement Message: Judex: Thanks for the acknowledgment. Your contributions have been as valuable as anyone's. I'd have never thought that Australian 'Tim Tams' could be directly related to 'Charlie the Tuna,' (Sorry Charlie, but we want Tunas that taste good, not Tunas with good taste.') but you've opened a wider world for all of us yanks. Good on ya, possum! -Scott Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 21:15:03 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: Acknowledgement Message: Thanks Judex. You have rally gotten to me with your posts, you know! I don't know if it was you (??) but I *think* it was ( or one of the women on forum) posted once to me that I was 'one of those women who would have blown them off if they had met me ' or something. I remember being so taken aback that I didn't even respond because I didn't know how to. It's amazing what has happened to me in a few months. I have come to know all these women that have taught me so much!! And it's in a safe environment for me, which is so critical now. thanks!!!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 00:42:33 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Wild Night's End Message: Remember that one? 'Wild night, let me discover your end, I have paved a weary trail to sit beside myonly friend' And of course the non-vocalized or admitted meaning is - the only friend was M! Guess what? I am entering a post to delare the end of *MY* wild night. I have experienced the stupid and insidious harm. I have seen the danger in taking on a belief system without examining it at all. Every human being has the right to feel they are special and magical. The sad part is when we think we need someone to show us that and lead us to it, when in fact it is there for us from birth. My grandosn was born last night. I can sense just by holding him that he has everything he needs and doesn't need a guru. My deepest wish for him is that he never get caught in a spider's web amd that he be given the ability to know life in all it's richness without a charismatic leader - i.e. - that he can accept and somehow love life on it's own terms. This is my delcaration of independence. A few days late - or 26 years late if you count 'that' day of indoctrination. BM Live through THIS!!!!!!!!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 00:54:10 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: Selena Subject: Congrats on ... Message: your grandson and your freedom. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 02:02:05 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Selena Subject: Congrats on ... Message: Hi Selena, There's nothing like a new baby to put things in perspective, IMO. Congratulations! Your words are strong and pure. With love, eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 03:45:50 (EST)
From: Judex Email: None To: eb Subject: Congrats on ... Message: How fortunate for your grandson and for you!!!- he won't have to carry that load, that's for sure. You can enjoy this new life, both yours and his! Lots of love Selena - what a wonderful happening. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 11:34:30 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Selena Subject: Congrats on ... Message: Blessings to you and your family! Your grandson is quite fortunate to have you for a grandmother; he won't need a guru and you will be able to tell him that. It is my experience that children are always willing to listen to their grandparents rather than their own parents. My grandparents were very patient and let me live with them during my premie period. Their example gave me the strength to leave the cult. Blessings and best wishes! Michael Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 05:50:52 (EST)
From: Richard Email: None To: Selena Subject: Wild Night's End Message: I loved that. Richard Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 07:58:39 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Selena Subject: Wild Night's End Message: My grandson was born last night. I can sense just by holding him that he has everything he needs and doesn't need a guru. My deepest wish for him is that he never get caught in a spider's web amd that he be given the ability to know life in all it's richness without a charismatic leader - i.e. - that he can accept and somehow love life on it's own terms. Selena - this is a wonderful and moving wish for a grandmother to make for her grandson. It really reminds me of the fairy godmother's wishes in the old fairy tales, only this is not a fairy tale anymore. Which makes it even more wonderful. Congratulations to you and yours! Much love, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 17:00:08 (EST)
From: x Email: None To: Katie Subject: new baby!! Message: Selena, How wonderful, I am so happy for you. Congratulations!!! Much Love x :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 23:18:16 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: thread Subject: thank you Message: This was a sincere heartfelt post and so were all your responses. You know, it's not at all easy for me to be sincere - much less heartfelt. But those little beings have a way of bringing out the softie in all of us, even me!! Here's to learning how to crawl. Selena, just got weepy listening to 'don't get me wrong' pretenders Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 23:44:48 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Selena Subject: Wild Night's End Message: Not only are you full of emotion, you are very intelligent as well. What a powerful declaration and a wonderful promise of hope for the future. Hold him close, VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 23:05:57 (EST)
From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Everyone Subject: Translation, Por Favor Message: An Argentine aspirant sent the following to the Letters To Maharaji page. Since the Ex-Lord may not read Spanish, please send me a translation to post with the original. Use email, so I can refer any other Spanish posts to whoever can decifer this correctly. You could become the official Ex-Premie.Org Spanish Translator! With all the perks that come with the job!! The post reads: LO UNICO QUE ME AYUDA A ESTAR BIEN SON SUS ENSEÑANZAS QUE SIGO A DIARIO EN UNA SALITA DE SANTA FE ARGENTINA DE LA CALLE LA RIOJA 3563. ESPERO ANSIOSA QUE ESTE AÑO PUEDA VISITAR MI PAIS Y QUE ESTOY PREPARANDOME PARA TOMAR EL CONOCIMIENTO. DESEARIA QUE CUALQUIER COSA QUE ME QUIERAN DECIR LO HAGAN ATRA VEZ DE MI EMAIL. SALUDOS, BESOS MARCELA Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:14:16 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Brian Subject: Translation, Por Favor Message: Loose translation: The only thing that makes me feel good are your (or his) teachings that I follow everyday in a little room in a small livingroom (or shop) in Santa Fe, Argentina, 3563 La Rioja Street. I hope anxiously that this year you are (or he is) able to visit my country and that I am prepared to take the Knowledge. I would wish that anything they want to tell me, they do it through email. Regards and kisses, Marcela Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 20:32:45 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: eb Subject: Translation, Por Favor Message: Thanks eb. I was going to give it a try but am only in my beginning baby steps with Spanish., so I am sure you did a much better job than I would have. Do you speak Spanish a lot or have a chance to practice? I am really excited about my new degree program and getting to know Spanish better, and I htink email or conferencing could be a big help somehow. Not sure how yet. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 23:25:00 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: eb Subject: Uh oh, eb! Message: Now you get to be site interpreter. I only got the last two sentences correct. It's been a long time. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 15:53:48 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: VP and Selena Subject: Uh oh, eb! Message: Does this mean I get to ride in Brian's jet? I don't get to use my Spanish much anymore, only when I tell the kids 'No tengo dinero.' Hasta luego, eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 20:13:48 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Rapture Message: How many people remember the late 70s fainting phenomena? I know it's been touched on briefly here but I think it deserves another look. In the very late 70s people started fainting in droves when they got darshan. Droves. It was like premie bungee jumping. Everyone was getting VERY sensitive, VERY sincere, VERY weepy, such was the satsang of the day. Who was that initiator... Dennis Marciniak? Remember how people like him, grown, young, healthy adults, weeped themselves into complete and utter self-degradation giving satsang as we lined up to take our turn kissing our maker's feet. Maharaji set that stage, the little motherfucker (yeah, I'm swearing a lot today. Had a good day in court.) Anyway, I did service once year in the fainting room. Boy was it neat! Everyone was so beautiful. It was like being in a hospice where people are dying from terminal love. Everyone's pupils were so dilated. Reminded me of the Milweig in Amsterdam only smelled different. Really, was anyone there? Do you remember the inner landscape on tat part of the Maharaji tour? Weird shit, I tell you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 20:59:12 (EST)
From: Rick Email: None To: Jim Subject: Rapture Message: Who can forget that? I really felt inadequate because I never fainted. Shit, I never felt a fucking thing in darshan. Nothing but shot nerves. Could all those clowns have been faking it? How about half of them? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 21:15:08 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rick Subject: Rapture Message: Rick, I don't think many, if any, were 'faking it' as we normally think of the word. Anymore than fundamentalist Xtians who purport to talk in tongues are faking it. No, obviously this was all just a really intense masturbatory mind fuck. I think it's useful as a marker of just how easily our minds can give us divine 'experiences'. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 10:25:35 (EST)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Jim Subject: Rapture Message: I tend to agree. I've never been on a darshan line but I suspect that the lack of bliss in my experiences with Knowledge overall are due to the fact that I never really felt any devotion to Maharaji. I'm surprised that there are ex-premies who say that their experiences in meditation without devotion are as intense as they were when they felt that devotion. Anybody care to comment on this? I'd like to hear people's ideas on this subject. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:20:57 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Jerry Subject: IMHO Message: Jerry, excellent question! My experiences in meditation are 'almost' the same now as they were before. I think because I never honestly related to feeling devotion for the guru. I heard him say how important it was and so I TRIED to get it. But my experiences in meditation never had a thing to do with devotion or staring googly eyed on M's picture. But then, I think it's also significant that I did have several outrageous experiences in meditation before I even met M and learned the techniques. I think my love of meditation has a lot to do with my personality. I am a naturally introspective, inward person, very deep, and a golden halo with a purple tinge is part of my aura. I may have faked devotion in darshan, but I didn't try to fake devotion when meditating, well....actually I may have faked it there too! Cause I used to bow down sometimes before meditating and try desparetly to conjure up from the depths of my being the awesome feeling of 'DEVOTION'. I hardly meditate formally at all anymore. Whereas before when I was a premie, I tried to meditate for hours a day. Which, I am now convinced is as harmful as drinking too much, smoking too much, spending too much time on this forum, doing too much exercise. Doing anything obsessively is not healthy. Except sex, of course. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 23:17:15 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Rick Subject: A Clown talks Message: ******Warning, this post contains graphic material about darshan and may be offensive to premies************ Hey Rick, watch your mouth! I'm one of those clowns your talking about. Yep, I confess, I did it: I faked fainting in the ashram line. I had darshan a number of times and never fainted. Then, in the late 70's, when I saw others fainting, and it became the latest craze, I thought hey, why can't I do it too! Sure why not? What me worry? What really surprised me about it, was how easy it was to make it happen. I didn't really care that much, you know, I was simply mildly interested in what the people who were passing out were actually feeling. So, one time I approached the feet and I kind of planned to myself what I would do after I bent down, you know to bring about the 'faint'. Well, first, there was the minor problem of..Do I in fact KISS the feet, I mean with my lips, or do I just make a pass at kissing them, sort of how I kiss my mother in law these days, you know, pucker up my mouth and get it in the vicinity but don't in fact touch anything, or do I simply not even try to kiss, but simply touch the feet with my hands, or do I simply bow down and not touch him at all. These were big questions in my mind, because I wasn't really sure what darshan actually was. I mean was it the TOUCH of the master or was it simply being within two feet of the master or was it being in the same room as the master, you know? And I'd heard that thousands of people touching his feet actually made them bleed and I didn't really want to inflict pain on him, and yet I didn't want to cheat myself out of the experience he was dishing out. So, anyway, I bowed down, and then I simply closed my eyes and slowed down. And whammm, I was no longer moving. Someone was leading me along. I really felt like a big phoney too. Because I knew that I could walk, I knew that I wasn't really feeling anything unusual, but I didn't want to spoil the moment and shake off the initiator who was holding me and ruin the moment for her, you know? So, I pretended to be overcome with...? what? And, if you DO close your eyes and concentrate super hard on your breath, of course, you will probably not be able to walk without someone's assistance for the obvious reason that you won't be able to see where you are going. I've said this before, but for me the real proof about the power of darshan is that I have no desire to have it again. I mean, I can remember all kinds of experiences in my life that I would love to have again. And darshan is NOT one of them. Isn't that strange? I did things that I would never want to do, simply because the group was doing it. Or was that all there was to it? Wasn't a big part of it, that M was saying DARSHAN is important! Maybe the group had nothing to do with it at all. The guru declared that darshan was special and that he was offering it, and being the greedy, lazy bastard that I was, I wanted a short cut to heaven. Naturally, wasn't that what it was all about? Getting to heaven, getting to bliss, inside, within inside? Darshan was supposedly pure grace from the Master. You didn't even have to be open, you didn't have to be anything, it just knocked down all the barriers and WHAM, did it. It was also a last ditch effort on my part to actually make the whole experience of dedicating my life to GMJ valid. Darshan was his ultimate gift and I sure as hell better be able to experience something from it. So, my attitude was, I'll be damned if I'm gonna go through darshan time after time and NOT experience anything. -gave up trying in '82 to give my life to the satguru felt much better in '83 when I realized I was truly free. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 23:29:08 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: John Subject: I finally understand Message: Yes, all this time I've drummed my fingers impatiently at all these peoples' dsire to post anonymously. 'What in the world could possibly be so embarrassing about following the Lord of the Universe?' I wondered. Well now, John -- or whoever you REALLY are -- now I understand. Oh my God, thank you..... yeah, I guess, thank you for sharing that. (Oh my God!) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 23:40:11 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Jim Subject: Get me a screwdriver!!! Message: Yeah, really, I mean, it's good that I never was a premie, and that I was faking it the entire time. Otherwise, I mean, I'd REALLY be worried about myself you know? Like, that screw that had to have been loose, like is it REALLY tight now? I mean, how do I know it's not about to become loose again? Wait, I just heard something rattle inside somewhere, oh NOOOOO!!!! HELP!!!!!!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 00:28:19 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: John Subject: A Clown talks Message: Thanks for the honesty, John. The humor was good, too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 01:57:03 (EST)
From: Judex Email: None To: John Subject: A Clown talks Message: John that was very independent of you IMO (to make up your own mind - you make it sound so clear). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 01:37:29 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Jim Subject: Rapture -- Jim, You Ninny Message: Well, I have posted this a number of times, Jim, but I guess you aren't paying attention. They were ALL faking it, when they fainted in darshan, including John.. How do I know? During the 'everybody-is-fainting' period, there was a program where there wasn't room to store the people who fainted. So, Joe Anctil announced from the stage that there was not room and to please not faint in darshan at this program. And guess what, no one did. They were all faking it. People 'fainted' because they wanted to. It was just theater and made up nonsense. Primarily, I believe, darshan was only held so BM could convince himself he really was god, because if he wasn't, why in the HELL would thousands of people kiss his feet? That, and to raise about a quarter million dollars in cash, of course, which is about what he raked in when he held a darshan line. I am absolutely convinced that that's why he is doing it again. To raise cash. You know, the guy really is an ubiquitous twit. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 01:42:28 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: JW Subject: What ever happened to ... Message: Joe Anctil, Elliot Brye, Kathy Siddic? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 01:48:26 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Gail Subject: To Gail and Jim Message: Do you mean Kathy Situk(sp)? I think Jim has been in contact with her. She's an ex, and I think lives in Marin County, California. I don't know about Joe Anctil or Elliott Brye. Jim, didn't Kathy ask you to write her story as an initiator or something? Didn't you tell me that once? Or am I thinking of someone else? I think somebody should follow up on that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 20:36:37 (EST)
From: Mark Email: None To: Gail Subject: What ever happened to ... Message: when I was bookbuying in Miami 7 years ago, I went to a small technical college near the Omni -20th st area. There was Joe Anctil. He was selling people on attending the college. Quite different than having his TV show or being MC at God's feet ! he looked rourh. Obviously , he was down and out. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:08:16 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Mark Subject: Joe Anctil Message: Quite different than having his TV show or being MC at God's feet ! he looked rourh. Sad to hear about the dismal fate of DLM's former middle age glam queen. 'Rourh' eh? That's bad. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 14:12:17 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Jim Subject: Joe Anctil Message: I wonder if this means he doesn't still have his high-rise apartment on Miami Beach shared with the prettiest premie-boys you ever saw? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 09:45:19 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: JW Subject: On my high horse Message: Joe, Look, I know I was faking it, but you cannot possibly suggest that EVERYONE was faking it? I mean, I know I was a morally corrupt individual when I followed the guru, but hells bells, I thought that was just me. This is really making me lose faith in the human race. I can't tell you how disappointed I am in everyone. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. (heh heh) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:03:20 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: John Subject: On my high horse Message: Okay, let me qualify that statement about 'everyone' faking it. I think a large number of people, probabaly most, were faking it when they fainted in darshan. This, I think, is proven by the Joe Anctil incident. But I wouldn't be at all surprised that a number of people got so emtionally worked up that they might have fainted in darshan, just like when some people faint at their wedding, at a funeral, or seeing the Beatles. Darshan was so hyped, as was the Big M, that I'm not at all surprised that that might have happened. I'm just saying that Big M and his electric toes had nothing to do with it. I don't think you were insincere, John. You were just in a cult. The fact that you talk about it so honestly now shows that. JW Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 09:46:17 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: JW Subject: You'll love this Message: Joe, I KNOW that it was a group thing. Just like when Tejeshwaranand gave k to three k sessions in one night in Nelson, B.C. in '74 and everybody reported seeing different 'Perfect Masters' in the light. (How much funnier if they'd all seen hockey players: 'Hey, I got Frank Mahavolich!!' 'No, shit, man. I only saw Tim Horton' 'Well, Maharaji said it's a just a seed.' Or rock stars..). But, even then, I think they were all deluded but some actually believed their own bullshit more than others. You know? Hey, it's a small point. Who cares? I don't really. By the way, you'll love this. I was talking with Gary Ockendon the other day. We're thinking of taking off for a week next week, drive around B.C. a bit, maybe make our way down to Jellystone. So I called Gary and we chatted a bit. I aksed him if he, as community coordinator in Vancouver back then, knew the extent to which Mahatma Ji was giving service to the sisters when he stayed with us that spring. Gary said he knew some shit was happening. He mentioned a girl getting pregnant in Nelson. I said I'd never heard of THAT one. I only knew of some other liasons. So how'd he find the time to get laid when we were in Nelson? Gary told me that Mahatma Ji actually had Gary take over giving k to people for a bit while he, Mahatma Ji, 'took some rest' as they used to say....... No shit! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 11:21:18 (EST)
From: Barney Email: None To: Jim Subject: Factory Recall Message: Jim, since you are an attorney and the primary liason to EV you might notify EV so they can issue an official recall notice for the defective product those people received. God only knows what kind of danger they might be in. That is pretty outrageous - all of it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:17:28 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Jim Subject: Gary Ockendon Message: Very sweet guy, Gary. Tell him hello for me, if he remembers me. I had no idea Gary was revealing knowledge before he was even an initiator. Has Gary ever told you what finally got him to leave the cult? Was it any particular incident? And when did he leave? Did he ever talk to the Big M about his concerns? So, I wonder how many illegitimate children Tejes actually has throughout North America? BTW -- regarding darshan and fainting. See my response to John. I'm not saying EVERYONE faked it -- most did, but some people got worked up enough to faint and group suggestion is very strong. But the fainting had nothing to do with some kind of energy transfer from feet to lips. Yuck, by the way. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:39:36 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: JW Subject: Gary Ockendon Message: Joe, Gary's position is that the M years are very much behind him. He's got a family now, new responsibilities, interests, you know. He DID say he'd check the site out a bit (and that he did last year when we talked but that there wasn't that much going on then). He mentioned that Mike Donner, his neighbour out there, likes to diss Maharaji every now and then. I told Gary that I'd tried to call Mike last year but that his wife told me that they weren't interested in talking about M. Gary said that Mike's own opinion might be a 'little different' than that. Anyway, I THINK we're going to be out there the week after next. I'll try to look up Donner. Anything in particular you want me to ask him? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 13:45:09 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Jim Subject: Gary Ockendon Message: Anything in particular you want me to ask him? Well, I guess, does he think he has any responsbility to talk about his experiences publicly? Especially since M is continuing to sell his snake oil? I wouldn't mean to lay a guilt trip on Gary, but given his minister status in DLM, is it really responsible for him just to forget the whole thing and quietly live out his life? How about the people he 'initiated,' gave 'introductory satsang to,' 'harassed into receiving knowledge?' What about them? Does he think is owes anything to them? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 14:21:53 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: JW Subject: Gary Ockendon Message: Oops! Aha, you got me there, JW. See, I'm about to accept Gary on his own terms because he's made it really clear that 'that's that'. We talked about this the other day. He told me that he deosn't harbour any particular resentment, doesn't feel much of anything about it all now, LIKES it that way, doesn't care what M's doing, ENJOYS the fact that he rarely thinks about him..... You know, in some ways I envy him, don't you? Look at all the fucking time we spend on this jerk! Do we do it because we actually think we can stop him in his tracks? Is it that we're SO dedicated in saving the nameless premies from a false religion? For me, these are tricky questions, really tricky questions. Maharaji, any premie reading this, you should feel happy to know that I have probably lost a LOT of money since I got involved in the MCP (Maharaji Communication Project). I'm not kidding. I'm a sole practicioner who could easily find work-related stuff to do during the several hours a day I spend here. Yes, it has to be that much... who's kidding whom? It's got to be several hours a day what with all the reading, writing, browsing... I am SO happy I got into this to at least the point that I satisfied myself that Maharaji's a fraud. But I'm already way past that. Now, I continue for a few reasons: 1) the pleasure of helping current premies break free (both in terms of their victory and Maharaji's loss); 2) the pleasure of making fun of the craziest thing I've ever been involved with; 3) refining my understanding of a few things, including but not only the Maharaji cult itself; 4) camaraderie (I mean, what's with you guys? You're always in my house, hiding in my monitor. It's like in Poltergeist only there, at least, the ghosts came and went); and 5) habit. It seems there always something new keeping me posting, keeping me involved, whether it's new breakouts like Gail, new discloure like KK's offered or some new good arguments like Richard provides (just examples). Then, as I say, thee's my habit. I dunno. If we are ever really effective in affecting this cult I guess we'll all feel quite proud of that. I know I will. And maybe we've already reaped some benefits. (Why DID he cancel Seattle? Do we actually have guru-on-the-run? How DOES John Horton feel knowing that Maharaji thinks he's an asshole? Has Maharaji changed doctors yet? ) Then there's the thought of Maharaji's relief should we lay off him a bit. Ouch! That smarts. Personally, I can't handle that prospect. So, here I am. Here we are. Like Armenians committed to pressing Turkey for some proper redress after their turn-of-the-century slaughter, we're people with a past. Carrying this big guru show on our backs. Yeah, sometimes I look at people like Gary with envy. I could have done that too if I'd just shut my mouth a bit. A few more years of doing that and I, too, would probably be able to say that I just didn't care that much, didn't really 'need' to resolve anything -- life's so busy, didn't really care to know the truth about Maharaji. Hey, how about you, Joe? How about anyone else reading this? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 14:55:19 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Jim Subject: Gary Ockendon Message: He told me that he deosn't harbour any particular resentment, doesn't feel much of anything about it all now, LIKES it that way, doesn't care what M's doing, ENJOYS the fact that he rarely thinks about him..... Remember the Memorex commercial: 'Is it real, or is it Memorex?' I think in Gary's situation, the question is: 'Is it real, or is it REPRESSION.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 16:55:12 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: All of you Subject: I'M REALLY GRATEFUL Message: Please don't stop. As a result of your efforts, I feel a whole lot better. It was because of your kind, rational input, I was able to at my own doubts and examine the fears and insanity. Also, the whole town of London has been affected. Everyone knows about the site. I'm living proof that it can burst any premie's bubble. Nobody wants to read this stuff yet, but they will. I HAVE MY LIFE BACK, AND I'M WORTH IT. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 17:00:47 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Gail Subject: Are you, now? Message: I HAVE MY LIFE BACK, AND I'M WORTH IT. Well, you are, are you? Aren't we a little full of ourselves today? Hmmm. Nop, seriously, how about if we had 'Chain Vigilance'? You know, last ones out man the lighthouse, kind of thing? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 17:48:18 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Gail Subject: yes you are worth it! Message: It's been wonderful to see your posts here and the transitions you have made. You know - this maybe be short term memory loss due to any number of things - but I can't even remember right this second what name it was you began posting under! I do remember when you 'came out' though. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 23:19:08 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: Selena Subject: Iola Message: She was my mother's favourite sister who died when she was a teenager. I used her name as a little tribute to my mother. I wish she were still alive. She would be cracking up over all this. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 19:35:53 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Jim Subject: Gary Ockendon Message: You know, in some ways I envy him, don't you? Look at all the fucking time we spend on this jerk! Do we do it because we actually think we can stop him in his tracks? Is it that we're SO dedicated in saving the nameless premies from a false religion? For me, these are tricky questions, really tricky questions. I am personally not spending time on the jerk. I'm spending time on myself. I have hung out on this forum quite a lot in the past year, but I spent the 14 years before that rarely thinking about the jerk at all. It was about the last thing I wanted to do. I find this really therapeutic, partly because it's so fulfilling to see people break the bonds and to see how powerful open discussion actually is. And to see how absolutely starved premies are for it. Just the INFORMATION coming out on the forum is tremendous. Just in the last few days I've learned factual stuff about BM that has confirmed by worst suspicions. It hurts a little, but I'm finally getting confirmation. Very helpful to me. Frankly, I don't envy Gary at all. He's gonna have to deal with it sometime, I think. Maybe he's not ready. I don't think you can be in something that intensely and not have to deal with it. I was where Gary is some years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if your discussions with him stir some things up for Gary. When he's ready the forum is here. But I also think the critical mass is building. This website has to be a REAL concern for Mahararji. And there isn't a damned thing he can do about it. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Not a damned thing!!! All all we have to do is tell the truth and ask questions. Fun, right? How many people get chances like that? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 03:12:32 (EST)
From: Barney Email: None To: JW Subject: Thanks to old timers Message: It is helpful to have you old timers hanging around. You guys REALLY dropped out long before me even though I was an MJ lurker avoiding premies as much as possible. What a long strange trip it's been. We all went through some good shit and some really terrible shit that really had a profound impact on our lives. For, me what I'm getting now is that I really gotta dump that stupid philosophy of completely living for today and quiting my job and running off to a program and MJ is gonna take care of me tomorrow and shrugging off setbacks and ignoring MY inner voice and believing that nothing really matters in terms of what happens in this world and none of my happiness is gonna come from this world and what I'm doing in it? Irresponsibility? Say what? I believed all that. Who helped reinforce that? Thanks for being here! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 01:05:11 (EST)
From: bb Email: None To: Jim Subject: St. James the rational Message: I hope to fund you someday. Sort of like a Mac Arthur Grant. And when you talk to Donner, tell him about the 90 counries and feet kissing and the old video footage and that when he left bill burke and many others would have appreciated him clueing us non-inner circle types to the truth. And many still need the help and him to tell his story. What about all those in the 90 countries that are helpless in the face of the marketing of the lord of the universe today. He needs to be responsible and state his real experience that rawat is not divine or special or more than anyone else. ect. ect. The music at the events and him claiming to be pushing the breath in and out. He might get the picture and get motivated to come forward once and stand up and be counted as a guy of integrity and not the partner in crime in hiding that he is now. You can print this and give it to him if you want. bill burke. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 05:14:36 (EST)
From: an old ashram girl Email: None To: Jim Subject: You'll love this Message: Re: mahatmaJi in Nelson- you talking about Tejeshwaranand? He came to our little center in New Mexico, spent days psychicly flirting with me- he was very psychic (knew I had a bunch of money in the bank)- offered me a beautiful emerald ring from India- I was tempted as I loved the ring- but saw right through him- after he left, he would call every night, and ask me to give him satsang- he would say 'are you clear?' then he would tell me he wanted to leave the ashram- he was travelling around with ira woods who was kind of babysitting for him trying to keep him from freaking out. TJ went back to india- I often wondered how many sisters fell prey to his somewhat pathetic charms. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 01:50:35 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Jim Subject: Rapture Message: Listen here, Jim. I honestly fucking fainted during darshan once in the late 70's. And why not? After all the satsang, service, and meditation I'd been cramming into my life, I deserved to have a damn orgasm out the top of my head which left me floating in the ocean of bliss for an hour afterwards. In retrospect, I know my own ability to go into trance is exceptional, and at that time, I was extremely susceptible to suggestion. Hell, I was a programmed zombie plugging into my power source. I was a gurupie and I never wanted to let go of his holy lotus tootsies. BTW, which one of you left that red lipstick on His blue socks at Guru Puja in 77 or 78? Really groady! eb Realizing more and more just how strange this trip has been. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 06:18:56 (EST)
From: Richard Email: None To: Jim Subject: Rapture Police... Message: Jim, I spent a lot of time around the darshan line but, apart from maybe the first time, never really got much from it. The rapture bit has always been a feature, although it has been frowned on and therefore minimised wherever possible. Doing security around darshan setups was a curious experience. Firstly, we wer'nt supposed to go for it, gotta stay alert y'know, but then we could if someone would take over from us, fat chance. Finally we would be allowed to but only at the very end when Maharaji was really bored with the whole thing. You had to be quick, really quick if you were part of the 'exit' security team. Mostly he would either be almost on the move (lucky to avoid a toe in the eye) or chatting to Raja Ji. Not much different to kissing the bishops ring. Security guys had a pretty jaundiced view of darshan, mostly I guess because of the neccessity of 'staying in your head' and not letting go. The raptured ones were a pain in the arse and the sooner we could hand them over to some blissed-out helper (who really cared) the better. Hey, does anyone remember getting a little pinch on the inside of the upper arm, just above the elbow? This was a standard technique for a)waking up the raptured and b)differentiating the fakers from the real thing. The fakers pulled away from the pain and made it hurt even more. What can I say. Richard Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 22:02:07 (EST)
From: TD Email: None To: Richard Subject: Rapture Police who frisk! Message: It seems the Darshan Police procedure has come a long way since the 70's! At the Amaroo event, after waiting in a long line in the sun outside, you then were taken into a hall that we thought M was in, only to find out, it was a decoy! In there we had to pass through metal detectors (like at the airport) and pass over any protruding pocket objects, before going to the real darshan hall! Obviously there was more of a fear of psychopathic premies than rapturous ones!! And other than the fainters, what about the screaming banshees - those who you could hear wailing like they were being tortured?? How did they get treated? TD Kissed the tootsies in '96, '97 Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 23:38:17 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: TD Subject: Rapture Police who frisk! Message: Bm is in the 90's. Wonder who he's afraid of. I doubt it's his premies though...sounds like a bit of paranoia to me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 12:56:50 (EST)
From: Selena Email: None To: Jim Subject: Rapture and hurricanes Message: I remember driving for thousands of miles basically non-stop in a crowde rental car to a festival that was supposed to be in Miami. One of the drivers was insane and almost got us killed, so me and my friend ended up doing almost ALL the driving to Miami. We had no longer gotten to bed to try to unwind when the phone rang and we were told we had to go to Orlando instead!! So we packed and drove like crazy through the pre hurrican rains and winds, parked the car in some mud field and ran and ran forever. I lost my shoes because the mud was so think it sucked them off my feet as I ran. That field must have thousands of pairs of shoes in it. I finally got to the darshan line, I can't believe how weak i was! I kissed the feet and started to walk away. I honestly think it was the exhaustion and then bending over and straighening out like that, (I don't want to admit anything else!!!!!) but I *did* feel faint when I started to walk away. Of course they immediatly assumed it was rapture and took me off to lie down and watch over me. As soon as I cought my breath I felt like the biggest idiot because these people seemed impressed!! I was embarrassed for days that I had been a 'fainter' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jul 08, 1998 at 22:24:44 (EST)
From: G's mom Email: None To: anyone Subject: Joe Antcil Message: Who was this guy? Was this the older guy who like ran a travel agaency? I cannot remember...the older guy I am thinking of was in charge of travel in the late 70's, and he was different from the rest of the premies? Was that Joe Anctil? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 00:53:13 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: G's mom Subject: Joe Antcil -- Yes, That's Him Message: Yes, that's him. He also was MC at a lot of the programs in Miami. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jul 09, 1998 at 10:46:18 (EST)
From: G's mom Email: None To: JW Subject: thanks! (nt) Message: no text Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 1998 at 04:58:04 (EST)
From: fascinated by website Email: None To: Jim Subject: Rapture Message: Yes Jim, I was there and used to do service all the time in the back room of the darshan line. It was coordinated by John Finnegan, now a naturopathic doctor. The band of premies who took care of the faintees were practicing health care in Denver. So that was the feeling- why it felt like a hospice. I think people really were having a deep experience. It was very other-wordly. Later M. stopped all that and the focus shifted. I like reading your entries.I would like to know more about the stuff KK was talking about- that I must have missed- I just found this site. What was KK involved with? I had no idea there are so many disaffected premies.I can understand it- the swing of the pendulum. I'm swinging back to middle ground, after a self-imposed exile- of seeing the good in it, for what it has given me, even though it feels funny just beginning a career again, in grad school at age 50!- no regrets Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 17:22:24 (EST)
From: David Email: None To: Birthday Subject: Birthday, cont'd Message: cont'd. Ultimately the ashram closed. Divine Sales became Scotty's Furniture... And there was satsang and meditation. Never liked videos, but live satsang was my prod, anchor, and reality check. M himself pretty much became less and less important to me as time went on. Traveling to festivals was exhausting after the 70's marathon ended. But meditation was - and still is - refreshing, though I'm not real regular. Since M decided formal satsang wasn't cool, my wife and I cont'd to get together w/another couple for the 'real stuff' on a regular basis. We still do. post... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 17:38:11 (EST)
From: David Email: None To: David Subject: Birthday, cont'd Message: cont'd. What happened to my posting? Repeat. We still get together with them for satsang. They go to videos; we stopped @ 10 years ago. This forum seems to be cathartic for a lot of 'expremies'. I guess there's nothing wrong w/that. We were pretty fortunate...most of our anger was flushed back in '76, a very intense year. By the time '77 was done, M didn't matter quite so much. '78-'84 we saw M 3-4 more times, and we haven't seen him (or missed him) since then. We do wish him well. Funny. The word 'premie' seems odd to me now...can't relate to it anymore. Guess that makes me an 'ex' premie...post Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 17:45:41 (EST)
From: David Email: None To: David Subject: Birthday, cont'd, final Message: Satsang (a 'foreign' word that entered our vocabulary and stayed) & meditation are forever for me. 'Service' has been translated into social work and action in a religious (Jewish) community. I'm grateful to M for showing me the basic practices. They're good. If he stopped meditating or listening to his own satsang, that's his problem...but from what I've heard here and there from our friends --we haven't been active since @85 -- most folks still genuinely benefit from their experiences. This has been nice. Peace. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jul 07, 1998 at 20:10:02 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: David Subject: Birthday, cont'd, final Message: Dear David, HAPPY BIRTHDAY and how fitting that I think I am the first to respond since I am the self appointed birthday person here. I use to do the birthday parties at a zoo I worked at while a premie and just realized I also made beautiful pinatas for years while my girls were small and after, selling them. Must be something about me and birthdays. I love them, hope yours is splended. Did you just find us today also? I love to tell and hear/read stories also and yours was great, chapters and everything. Some of us who didn't really have a lot of anger over our time with M, or have gotten over it still post here to help those just coming out or who have been out but haven't dealt with things or for those thinking of getting in, to give them some reality. So maybe we'll see you and your wife here again. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |