Ex-Premie.Org |
Forum III Archive # 30 | |
From: Nov 23, 1998 |
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hamzen -:- Enjoying life -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 19:37:50 (EST) __Laura -:- Enjoying life -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 20:13:23 (EST) ____VP -:- Are we Old or What? -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 14:38:24 (EST) ______Jerry -:- Are we Old or What? -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 09:58:46 (EST) ________Mike -:- Old Yiddish Grandma.... -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 15:32:31 (EST) __Liz -:- Enjoying life -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:33:50 (EST) ____Robyn -:- Enjoying life -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 08:10:15 (EST) ______Liz -:- Private Ryan (ot) -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 21:49:09 (EST) ________Helen -:- Private Ryan (ot) -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 23:39:51 (EST) ________Robyn -:- Private Ryan (ot) -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 08:05:37 (EST) ____Helen -:- Enjoying cussin' a blue streak -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 23:34:59 (EST) ____Mike -:- Enjoying cussing -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 11:31:06 (EST) __hamzen -:- EL Site/what's happened to it? -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 19:12:22 (EST) ____Mole -:- MJ's take on Enjoyinglife.org -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 23:00:25 (EST) ______tunnel rat -:- MJ's take on Enjoyinglife.org -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 01:23:56 (EST) ________Jerry -:- You gave me an idea -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 10:27:39 (EST) ____Bill Gates -:- EL Site/what's happened to it? -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 03:06:31 (EST) ______gerry -:- Bill donates 100 million bucks -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 10:50:10 (EST) ________cynically skeptical -:- Bill donates 100 million bucks -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 12:26:44 (EST) __________gerry -:- Bill donates 100 million bucks -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 12:49:45 (EST) ____________gerry -:- also -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 13:03:35 (EST) ______________G's mom -:- hey...I just posted about this -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 13:30:03 (EST) ________________gerry -:- hey...I just posted about this -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 14:16:40 (EST) ______________secret cynic -:- also -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 02:49:34 (EST) ________________gerry -:- The devil in MS Bill -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 12:06:25 (EST) __________________Fiend of Bill G. -:- The devil in MS Bill -:- Sat, Dec 05, 1998 at 15:11:38 (EST) JW -:- Taking the Census -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 19:06:13 (EST) __nigel -:- Absent friends -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 20:30:48 (EST) ____Joy -:- Absent friends -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 20:41:24 (EST) ______Robyn -:- Christmas Tree -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 20:53:43 (EST) ____Katie -:- Absent friends -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:03:33 (EST) ______VP -:- Absent friends -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:55:41 (EST) ________Jim -:- Absent friends -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 23:45:37 (EST) __________VP -:- Absent friends-a few more -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 13:50:30 (EST) ____________Katie -:- Absent friends-a few more -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:12:39 (EST) ____________Robyn -:- Absent friends-a few more -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 21:09:03 (EST) __________VP -:- Was her name Paula? nt -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 13:53:48 (EST) ____________Robyn -:- Was her name Paula? -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 21:12:21 (EST) ______________VP -:- Was her name Paula? -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 23:45:29 (EST) ______John -:- Absent friends -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 10:26:23 (EST) ________Katie -:- Maybe next year -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 11:49:00 (EST) ____Rick -:- Absent friends -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 23:41:24 (EST) ______bill -:- Absent friends -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 01:37:37 (EST) ______Nigel -:- Brian, it's an imposter! -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 13:07:32 (EST) ______Katie -:- Absent friends -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 15:31:59 (EST) ________Robyn -:- Katie -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 23:56:22 (EST) __Liz -:- Taking the Census -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:55:08 (EST) ____Barney -:- It's a good place, indeed! -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 01:38:01 (EST) __TD -:- Taking the Census -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 02:58:30 (EST) ____RT -:- Taking the Senses -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 11:29:42 (EST) ______Orlando -:- some people moved on... -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 16:41:59 (EST) ________Katie -:- some people moved on... -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 17:21:59 (EST) __________Orlando -:- some people moved on... -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 09:25:50 (EST) ____________Katie -:- some people moved on... -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 16:03:38 (EST) ________VP -:- some people moved on... -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 17:54:40 (EST) __________hamzen -:- some people moved on... -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:41:58 (EST) __________Orlando -:- you are right -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 09:17:50 (EST) ____________VP -:- you are right -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 19:27:01 (EST) ______________Jim -:- the case for Gail -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 21:27:36 (EST) ________________Orlando -:- the case for Gail -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 09:35:24 (EST) __________________Jim -:- wrong -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 11:41:59 (EST) ____________________Orlando -:- wrong -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 14:43:37 (EST) ______________________Jim -:- wrong again -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 18:31:33 (EST) ______________Orlando -:- you are right -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 09:28:09 (EST) ________________Mike -:- you are right -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 11:18:40 (EST) ________RT -:- some people moved on, some off -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:11:57 (EST) __________Mole -:- MJ's take on people moving on -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 23:04:57 (EST) ____________tunnel rat -:- MJ's take on people moving on -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 01:36:16 (EST) ______________RT -:- MJ's take on people moving on -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 21:53:55 (EST) ____________Orlando -:- coming from the same video.. -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 09:30:34 (EST) ______________Mole -:- Privileged Info, Orlando -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 19:30:58 (EST) ________________Jim -:- Hey Mole -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 20:49:40 (EST) ________________Orlando -:- to canadian mole -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 09:43:36 (EST) ____________JW -:- The Management -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 15:58:40 (EST) ______________Mole -:- The Management -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 19:15:14 (EST) ________________dv -:- Amazing -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 00:40:27 (EST) __________________Katie -:- Amazing -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 11:46:35 (EST) __________________Mole -:- Amazing -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 17:56:15 (EST) Mickey the Pharisee -:- Premie Art??? -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 13:22:30 (EST) __Jim -:- Those English cartoons -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 13:32:04 (EST) ____Jerry -:- Those English cartoons -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 20:16:28 (EST) ______Helen -:- Those English cartoons -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:20:33 (EST) ______JW -:- American Cartoon -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 22:30:10 (EST) ________shp -:- and fuzbee played.. -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 22:35:54 (EST) __________Iola -:- To Shp: and fuzbee played.. -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 19:44:05 (EST) ________Mickey the Pharisee -:- American Cartoon -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 01:57:58 (EST) ________Barney -:- American Cartoon -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 02:12:59 (EST) __________VP -:- American Cartoon -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 14:26:18 (EST) ____________Mickey the Pharisee -:- American Cartoon -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 15:40:27 (EST) ______________VP -:- American Cartoon -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:04:35 (EST) ________________Mickey the Pharisee -:- American Cartoon -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:11:42 (EST) __________________VP -:- American Cartoon -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:33:15 (EST) ____________Barney -:- American Cartoon -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 02:30:39 (EST) ______________Jerry -:- What about Monet? -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 10:52:25 (EST) ________________Robyn -:- What about Monet? -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 11:08:14 (EST) __________________Barney -:- Monet - almost blind -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 12:35:50 (EST) ____________________Robyn -:- Monet - almost blind -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 22:35:39 (EST) ______________________barney -:- Monet - almost blind -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 03:06:45 (EST) ________________________Katie -:- Katie - almost blind -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 12:33:58 (EST) __________________________gerry -:- Katie - almost blind (OT) -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 13:01:13 (EST) ____________________________Katie -:- Katie - almost blind (OT) -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 13:30:56 (EST) ______________________________gerry -:- Katie - almost blind (OT) -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 14:34:19 (EST) ________________________Robyn -:- Monet - almost blind -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 23:54:36 (EST) ________Robyn -:- American Cartoon -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 08:20:18 (EST) __________Barney -:- American Cartoon -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 12:08:59 (EST) ______shp -:- Those English cartoons -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 22:32:11 (EST) ________Jerry -:- Those English cartoons -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 22:57:10 (EST) __________shp -:- Those English cartoons -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 23:04:43 (EST) ____________Jerry -:- No offense taken, shp -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 09:37:25 (EST) ________VP -:- Those English cartoons -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 14:20:55 (EST) __VP -:- Premie Art??? -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 13:44:06 (EST) ____hamzen -:- Premie Art??? -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 17:15:21 (EST) ______Katie -:- Premie Art??? -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 18:08:28 (EST) ______JW -:- Premie Art??? -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 19:10:27 (EST) ________Mickey the Pharisee -:- Premie Art??? -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 20:10:35 (EST) ______Joy -:- Premie Art??? -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 20:45:14 (EST) ______Helen -:- Premie Art??? -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:24:02 (EST) ______VP -:- Premie Art??? -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:34:10 (EST) ____TD -:- Premie Art??? -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 22:37:50 (EST) ____Robyn -:- Premie Art??? -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 08:27:11 (EST) ______VP -:- Premie Art??? -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 14:02:54 (EST) __Runamok -:- Velvet Mirages -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 16:51:17 (EST) ____Mickey the Pharisee -:- Velvet Mirages -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 16:59:17 (EST) ______Mike -:- Yeah... -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 17:17:49 (EST) __Katie -:- Premie Art??? -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 17:57:51 (EST) ____Laura -:- Food art -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 20:21:10 (EST) ______Katie -:- Food art -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:19:44 (EST) ______Robyn -:- Food art -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 12:33:33 (EST) __Joy -:- Good Premie Artists -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:03:56 (EST) ____Mickey the Pharisee -:- Good Premie Artists -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 01:53:09 (EST) ______Barney -:- off topic - Van Gogh in LA -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 02:25:57 (EST) ________VP -:- off topic - Van Gogh in LA -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 14:13:30 (EST) ____Barney -:- Artists R. Gregory Walstrom? -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 02:44:34 (EST) ______david m -:- Premie artist -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 10:53:57 (EST) Jim -:- Jennifer Boire : 1sexy Kabir -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 12:52:19 (EST) __Anon -:- Jennifer Boire : 1sexy Kabir -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 14:59:26 (EST) ____Jim -:- Jennifer Boire : 1sexy Kabir -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 19:55:20 (EST) ______shp -:- Jennifer Boire : 1sexy Kabir -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 22:47:13 (EST) ________Jim -:- Jennifer Boire : 1sexy Kabir -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 23:03:47 (EST) __________shp -:- Jennifer Boire : 1sexy Kabir -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 23:07:16 (EST) __Robyn -:- Jim, Alberta, Katrina -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 21:27:17 (EST) ____Jim -:- Jim, Alberta, Katrina -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 18:07:33 (EST) ______Robyn -:- Jim, Alberta, Katrina -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 22:38:05 (EST) eb -:- Christian Doctrine-OT -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 11:36:16 (EST) __Mickey the Pharisee -:- Christian Doctrine-OT -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 11:58:06 (EST) ____eb -:- Thanks Fadda Mickey! -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 12:49:06 (EST) __Spare an opinion... -:- for an old altar boy, Fadda? -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:09:54 (EST) ____VP -:- for an old altar boy, Fadda? -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:44:55 (EST) ______Gerry -:- for an old altar boy, Fadda? -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 20:57:29 (EST) ________VP -:- for an old altar boy, Fadda? -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 23:53:26 (EST) ____Mickey the Pharisee -:- for an old altar boy, Fadda? -:- Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 22:52:19 (EST) ______gerry -:- for an old altar boy, Fadda? -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 10:20:33 (EST) ______Robyn -:- for an old altar boy, Fadda? -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 11:16:39 (EST) ______dv -:- for an old altar boy, Fadda? -:- Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 00:50:29 (EST) VP -:- Hello, Nimrod -:- Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 09:54:39 (EST) __Robyn -:- Hello, Nimrod -:- Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 10:44:43 (EST) ____Jerry -:- A rose by any other name... -:- Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 12:43:15 (EST) ______Nimrod -:- A rose by any other name... -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 00:20:58 (EST) ____Nimrod -:- Hello, Nimrod -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 00:00:02 (EST) ______Robyn -:- Hello, Nimrod -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 00:44:27 (EST) ________VP -:- Guy-off topic -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 13:58:29 (EST) __dv -:- Hello, Nimrod -:- Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 11:49:57 (EST) ____Nimrod -:- Hello, Nimrod -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 00:38:29 (EST) ____Nimrod -:- Hello, Nimrod -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 00:38:28 (EST) ______Barney -:- superior & sucking up -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 02:11:42 (EST) __JW -:- Questions -:- Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 18:02:27 (EST) ____x -:- Questions -:- Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 21:44:46 (EST) ____Nimrod -:- Questions-JW -:- Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 00:53:09 (EST) ____Nimrod -:- Some Amtext answers -:- Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 23:40:01 (EST) __Nimrod -:- Hello, Nimrod -:- Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 23:12:44 (EST) ____Robyn -:- Hello, Nimrod -:- Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 23:21:31 (EST) ____VP -:- Glad you are here -:- Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 23:25:14 (EST) |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 19:37:50 (EST)
From: hamzen Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Enjoying life Message: In the light of recent discussions here, thought you might find this amusing, saw this ad in the window of the local Nationwide Building Society, YES, ENJOY YOUR LIFE BUT THINK OF YOUR FUTURE TAKE OUT A NATIONWIDE PENSION PLAN Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 20:13:23 (EST)
From: Laura Email: None To: hamzen Subject: Enjoying life Message: Thank you Hamzen for that sweet reminder of my old age, I appreciate it:) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 14:38:24 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Laura Subject: Are we Old or What? Message: Laura, A friend of mine emailed this to me yesterday, on the event of his 40th birthday... Just a little perspective for us all: Subject: Are We Old or What? The people who are starting college this fall across the nation were born in 1980. They have no meaningful recollection of the Reagan era and did not know he had ever been shot. They were pre-pubescent when the Persian Gulf War was waged. Black Monday 1987 is as significant to them as the Great Depression. There has only been one Pope. They can only really remember one president. They were 11 when the Soviet Union broke apart and do not remember the Cold War. They have never feared a nuclear war. The Day After is a pill to them not a movie. CCCP is just a bunch of letters. They have only known one Germany. They are too young to remember the Space Shuttle blowing up. Tienamin Square means nothing to them. They do not know who Momar Qadafi is. Their lifetime has always included AIDS. They never had a Polio shot and likely do not know what it is. Bottle caps have not only always been screw off but have always been plastic. They have no idea what a pull top can looks like. Atari pre-dates them as do vinyl albums. The expression you sound like a broken record means nothing to them. They have never owned a record player. They have likely never played Pac Man and have never heard of Pong. Star Wars looks very fake and the special effects are pathetic. They may have heard of an 8-track but chances are they probably have never actually seen or heard one. The Compact Disc was introduced when they were 1 year old. As far as they know stamps have always cost about 32 cents. Zip codes have always had a dash in them. They have always had an answering machine. Most have never seen a TV set with only 13 channels nor have they seen a black and white TV. They have always had cable. There have always been VCR's but they have no idea what Beta is. They cannot fathom not having a remote control. They were born the year that Walkman were introduced by Sony. Roller skating has always meant inline for them. They have never heard of King Cola, Burger Chef, The Globe Democrat, Pan AM, Braniff, or Ozark Airlines. The Tonight Show has always been with Jay Leno. They have no idea when or why Jordache jeans were cool. Popcorn has always been cooked in a microwave. They have never seen and remember a game that included the St Louis Football Cardinals, the Baltimore Colts, the Minnesota North Stars, the Kansas City Kings, the New Orleans Jazz, The Minnesota Lakers, The Atlanta Flames, or the Denver Rockies NHL Hockey, that is. They do not consider the Colorado Rockies, the Florida Marlins,The Florida Panthers, The Ottawa Senators, the San Jose Sharks, or the Tampa Bay Lightning expansion teams. They have never seen Larry Bird play. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is a Football player. They never took a swim and thought about Jaws. The Vietnam War is as ancient history to them as WWI, WWII, or even the Civil War. They have no idea that Americans were ever held hostage in Iran. They can't imagine what hard contact lenses are. They never heard the terms 'Where's the beef?', 'I'd Walk a mile for a Camel', or 'de plane de plane.' They do not care who shot JR and have no idea who JR is. The Titanic was found? I thought we always knew where it was. Michael Jackson has always been white. Kansas, Chicago, Boston, America, and Alabama are places not Groups. McDonalds never came in Styrofoam containers. Do you feel old now? Remember the people who don't know these things will be in college this year end. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 09:58:46 (EST)
From: Jerry Email: None To: VP Subject: Are we Old or What? Message: They cannot fathom not having a remote control. I can't fathom not having one, either, and I'm 45. Yes, VP, I feel old now. I thought all this stuff just happenned yesterday. Kids today, wadda they know? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 15:32:31 (EST)
From: Mike Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Old Yiddish Grandma.... Message: I think it's time for OYG to chime in, hey old-timer? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:33:50 (EST)
From: Liz Email: None To: hamzen Subject: Enjoying life Message: Well, we all know the BM is certainly thinking of his future, lining his pockets at every available opportunity. He doesn't need a pension plan however, as he already has a guaranteed money -spinner with his WORLDWIDE PREMIE DEVOTION AND DONATION PLAN. BTW this plan is 100% guaranteed to put all subscribers into FUBAR Land. ( Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition) P.S. I don't usually swear but I happened to see Saving Private Ryan last night and heard this expression which really tickled my fancy. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 08:10:15 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Liz Subject: Enjoying life Message: Dear Liz, My daughter's friend gave her a bootleg copy of Private Ryan. I tried to watch it and couldn't get past all the shooting so I got up and busyed myself waiting for there to be a lull in the shooting and after about an hour I just shut it off. I hear it is good and keep thinking I'll try again some time but that was hard to take, also it was a fuzzy copy, I think someone sat in the theater with a camcorder. Did you think it was a good movie? Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 21:49:09 (EST)
From: Liz Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Private Ryan (ot) Message: Hi Robyn, I have just finished reading the thread down below about DECA, PROTECH, the plane project et al. Its pretty gruesome stuff and leaves me flabbergasted that premies worked under such appalling conditions and GM couldn't give a rat's ass! Also having just watched Private Ryan and all that WW11 stuff , GM's actions are reminiscent of how Hitler treated the Jews. One day I think his world will come a'tumbling down. Surely he can't get away with it forever. Anyway, to answer your question, yes I did enjoy P. Ryan. The gore, bloodshed and slaughter was horrific but it was also immensely sad when you realised that most of these soldiers were really just kids ,some as young as 18 and probably younger as well. Every single one of them wondered what they were doing in such a situation and thought they would never be able to live a normal life if they survived. I specifically saw it because my father-in-law, Hughie, was a Spitfire pilot during those times. He said it was about time they showed it as it was. The loss of life was great but so too was the cameraderie and bonding of one's fellow soldiers. In Hughie's squadron of 84 men there were only three that survived to return home. It was a story that needed to be told realistically in the hope that we can all learn something from it. It showed what an indomitable spirit us human 'beans' have. Regards, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 23:39:51 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Liz Subject: Private Ryan (ot) Message: You've made me want to rent the movie, Liz. I agree that these things need to be shown realistically. Maybe someday someone will make 'The Guru M story' in all its gruesome & complex detail. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 08:05:37 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Liz Subject: Private Ryan (ot) Message: Dear Liz, Thanks. I wish it was a book. I will try to watch it again but really have a hard time with violence. I agree it is a story that needs to be told. My dad was in that war also and he and many men just didn't/don't talk about it. That macho thing and just to horrific and they think it will go away if ignored,I guess. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 23:34:59 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Liz Subject: Enjoying cussin' a blue streak Message: FUBAR--great expression. I don't usually cuss either but this forum just brings it out in a gal. Before you know it you'll be puttin' the sailors to shame ;) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 11:31:06 (EST)
From: Mike Email: None To: Liz Subject: Enjoying cussing Message: Liz: If you need any lessons, I'll be glad to oblige... he he he :-0 Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 19:12:22 (EST)
From: hamzen Email: None To: hamzen Subject: EL Site/what's happened to it? Message: Strange thing tonight when I tried to visit the enjoying life site, entry page was there but then when trying to get in I'm getting the following message, 'Error JUO HTTP Web server Lotus notes exception- entry not found in index' Anyone have any idea what's happening? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 23:00:25 (EST)
From: Mole Email: None To: hamzen Subject: MJ's take on Enjoyinglife.org Message: MJ recently said, 'I used to be down on the web. Then, one day I thought--Why not? if it can be of use to us. Now there's a site-- [aside] What is it? [nobody answers] ENJOYINGLIFE dot ORG. People get to make beautiful expressions.' I say horse feathers. Everything is edited and they still don't have their conversations up and running do they? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 01:23:56 (EST)
From: tunnel rat Email: None To: Mole Subject: MJ's take on Enjoyinglife.org Message: It is strategy on his part. If the website is advertised, and everyone knows about it from visions, then no one will hit the search button for 'maharaji' or Lord of the universe. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 10:27:39 (EST)
From: Jerry Email: None To: tunnel rat Subject: You gave me an idea Message: I typed 'Lord Of The Universe' into my search engine to see what I would find. Surely, I figured, there must be thousands of websites dedicated to the Big M in this respect, everybody must know who he is by now. I found Lord Byron, Lord & Taylor, Lord Jim (not our's), Lord Dudley, Lord Of Illusions (I thought maybe... but this was dedicated to Clive Barker), Koko's Universe, Golf Universe, Creature's Universe, and of couse Sir D's favorite, Stephen Hawking's Universe, but no Lord Of The Universe. I was stunned. Don't these people know ANYTHING? You'd think hardly anybody even heard of Our Lord Big M. Don't they know that there's world peace now, all thanks to him? Sheesh, talk about a lack of gratitude. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 03:06:31 (EST)
From: Bill Gates Email: None To: hamzen Subject: EL Site/what's happened to it? Message: The reason you cannot get into EL is because the site is using IBM Lotus Notes instead of some nice Microsoft product. Where do YOU want to go today? Yours Truly, The Anti-Christ Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 10:50:10 (EST)
From: gerry Email: None To: all Subject: Bill donates 100 million bucks Message: for immunizations for kids throughout the world. Now I know immunization is controversial, but it shows the guy isn't quite the Nazi people make him out to be. Cynics will say he is just trying to buy good PR to bolster his court case, but 100 mil could buy a whole lot of advertising and payola type influence. What has Goober done for charity lately? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 12:26:44 (EST)
From: cynically skeptical Email: None To: gerry Subject: Bill donates 100 million bucks Message: I believe that prior to just a few weeks ago Bill's charitable donations were not disclosed and not publicized. Cynically, I find this $100M donation a very transparent operation to sway public opinion when the release of Bill's videotaped deposition or whatever put him in an unfavorable light. It is very difficult to throw darts at someone who is helping the sacred cows of BABIES, Mom, apple pie or Jesus. Bottomline, it's a very calculated and self-serving move. And, seeing Microsoft stock having jumped up about 25 points in the last two weeks really makes $100M spit in the ocean for Bill and it could be considered that such a donation could cause the stock to go up again, thereby his true cost is nothing. What is disturbing to me is how the rich can buy their way out of anything with the help of Spin Doctors and how we are being marketed and spun on anything and everything. As a premie, I always scoffed at charity believing that the true hope for humanity was leading people to Knowledge and all other efforts were, simply, bandaids on a hemorrhage and my money would be better off going to BM. It would be very interesting to see what, if anything, BM's charitable donations are. After all, from the Fund Raising presentations things look pretty desperate and very tight. Yeah, sure. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 12:49:45 (EST)
From: gerry Email: None To: cynically skeptical Subject: Bill donates 100 million bucks Message: It is very difficult to throw darts at someone who is helping the sacred cows of BABIES, Mom, apple pie or Jesus. Congratulations, you've just accomplished it. Many people do not disclose their charitable donations. However, 100 million dollars is such a huge 'spit in the ocean' it would be extremely difficult to hide from the press. I agree with you on the spin doctor statement. We are definitely manipulated and sold a bill of goods all the time. If you are interested in a little self-defense, may I recomment this book: Influence: the psychology of persuation by Robert B Cialdini. Available from Amazon.com and elsewhere. I don't think Microsoft will win their court case. At least it's not a given. Also, I don't know Gates' motivations for his gift, (you seem to, are you a mind reader or just a cynic?) but it is very generous. Perhaps if other billionaires followed suit, some social problems could be helped. Your comments about the stock market seem naive to me. Sorry. The price of MS stock could just as easily go down. Out of courtesy ( I know, I'm one to talk) or let's say curiosity, who are you? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 13:03:35 (EST)
From: gerry Email: None To: cynical skeptic Subject: also Message: This statement is a real stretch: And, seeing Microsoft stock having jumped up about 25 points in the last two weeks really makes $100M spit in the ocean for Bill and it could be considered that such a donation could cause the stock to go up again, thereby his true cost is nothing. How could you possibly even come close to proving such a causal relationship? People invest in stocks which make money, for the most part. I know there are stocks out there which use the hook that they are eco or whatever, in order to attract liberal-minded folks to invest in their companies. But isn't this just another form of 'spin?' Bottom line: he donated 100 MILLION DOLLARS to a cause he believes in. So what if it gives him a few points with the public? In reality it may have just the opposite effect. You are witness to that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 13:30:03 (EST)
From: G's mom Email: None To: gerry Subject: hey...I just posted about this Message: And then I read this thread.....it seems the story triggered this comparison in more than one of us. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 14:16:40 (EST)
From: gerry Email: None To: G's mom Subject: hey...I just posted about this Message: Hi G's Mom, I was going to say the cliched ''great minds think alike,'' but when you consider the statement, it's really kinda dumb. There are a lot of ''great minds'' here, and NONE think alike. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 02:49:34 (EST)
From: secret cynic Email: None To: gerry Subject: also Message: 1. I'm not going to even mention the real name that I post under even though, a good webmaster could easily figure that out even though I'm coming out through a proxy server, because mentioning this heresy about Bill could result me in being plagued by swarms of locusts everytime I log onto the Internet unless I was to switch my OS, which I paid for, to Linux. Besides, we don't want to draw the attention of MS to this site. BM we seem to be handling, but MS... Wait, someone's at my door now. 2. Sure, I love babies and I love my mom's apple pie. And charity is good too. 3. I know a little about the stock market because I worked in it and I have a degree in business. Stock prices are driven up or down by rumor and publicity. Bad publicity down, good publicity up. Let's talk about ridiculously high PE ratios. Let's talk about Amazon.com. It's all speculation based on what people hear and what they will believe. Sort of like the Guru business, wouldn't you say? In fact, almost exactly. If Bill/BM look bad then customers may shy away from purchasing their products. Both Bill and BM need to carefully polish, massage and manage their public image. You must realize that since Victor Kiam, 'I liked my Remington razor so much that I bought the company', that a good President or CEO in the media goes a long way to selling product. God only knows what kind of trouble there would be if people found out what they are really like. And that's what the video tapes of Bill is doing. He's arrogant and he's wierd and is just like Ronald Reagan in terms of conveniently not remembering. Is Bill the messiah of computing that everyone claims he is? Hell no, read the books, study the industry. Sure, he's been the most successful. But he really, really didn't invent the concepts. He bought his MS DOS which he sold to IBM from Seattle Micro for $20k or $50k. Windows, doesn't that look like the Mac and doesn't that look like something Xerox came up with in the '70s. It's all marketing, Mr. Beal. Marketing of people, the company name and logo. Swoosh, where do you want to go today? Understand that Bill and MS have taken a bit of a beating lately and this donation was an opportunity to buy some good publicity. Again, a major point here is that up to very, very recently Bill's charitable donations have been kept hush-hush. Furthermore, Bill has been criticized for not being a big giver. Yes, you can keep knowledge of large donations from the press. First, through a non-disclosure agreement with the organization that you are bequeathing. Secondly, such large charity is typically handled through a Foundation of which the public and press may not know who the benefactor is. Real easy stuff that teams of trust administrators, lawyers, financial managers, and tax accountants handle every day. Again, Bill's donations have been kept out of the press. I am making an assumption that the fact that this large donation being made public was not something Bill, alone, came up with. I would imagine that he had help with his PR firm and his lawyers. Sure, I think that it's great that Bill did this. In fact, he has indicated that 95% of his wealth will be given away as charity. 4. I certainly do contend that $100M is spit in the ocean for Bill especially when you consider a 25 point run up in the last two or three weeks. You can find out how many shares Bill owns because it is a matter of public record filed with the SEC. You can also see how much he buys and sells from Insider reports he must file. Bill owns millions and millions of shares of MS. If it goes up a buck he's made more than you or I will make in a lifetime. Also, assume that Bill has $50B in MS stock. Well, a donation of $100M is 0.2 percent of that. Let's be really generous and assume that I did really well after leaving the BM cult after 20 years and my net worth was $500K. Well, 0.2 percent of that is $1000. Big freaking deal I don't have anywhere near that much in net worth and I probably give more proportionally. Which by the way is quite typical with us working class heroes and all the damn Billionaires on the planet. Lastly, consider the tax breaks. Finally, IMHO everything and especially anything that is reported in the media need to be critically analyzed in the entire context to avoid being sold a bill (pun not intended) of goods. Sure, I'm making some assumptions since I do not have perfect knowledge, but don't let these people sell you on how freaking wonderful they are when they are probably the most selfish, greedy, power hungry SOBs on the planet. Ultimately, (the communist in me comes out) the industrialists, the PT Barnums, the BMs want it all. Rich man wants to be King and a King ain't satisfied until he rules everything P.S. I'd run my spell checker on this gawdawful long sucka, but my spell checker is giving me some DLL not found error. Ha! They're on to me already. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 12:06:25 (EST)
From: gerry Email: glyng@techline.com To: secret cynic Subject: The devil in MS Bill Message: god, now I really want to know who you are. Fantastic post, BTW. So Bill is planning to give away 95% of his wealth? When did he let that one 'slip' out? It's all speculation based on what people hear and what they will believe. This is so true. And something I had to learn the hard way. The markets are NOT rational. The PE ratios scare the shit out of me. I'm NOT sold on how wonderful Bill is. But $100M is a lot of money... Still though, with all the people you mentioned in on a donation, foundation people, lawyers, accountants, it seems even more likely someone would leak it to the press. Just human nature. you are wonderfully cynical. How about dropping me a line? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Dec 05, 1998 at 15:11:38 (EST)
From: Fiend of Bill G. Email: None To: gerry Subject: The devil in MS Bill Message: I'm not sure when Bill let it slip out about donation 95% of his wealth to charity. I doubt that it really slipped out. I believe that it was intentional. Reasons, and I'm not a tax accountant, to donate a lot of money before you die are for tax write-offs and the second one is to avoid the horrid estate (?) taxes when you die. The estate taxes, I believe, are like 50%. So, why have your $$$ go to the government when you can direct it to something of your choice. Again, $100M does seem like a lot of money and it is and it is a good cause, but the really point is that to Bill it is nothing. Here's a guy who has an estimated wealth of $60B, who lives in a $60M house and has many other residences, who has a private island in the Pacific, who buys DaVinci's Codex for his private library for what $30M, and on and on. And again, the $100M (if you use $50B as his net worth) is only 0.2% of his net worth. If my net worth was $50K, $100K, $200K, $500K that is the equivalent of me donating $100.00, $200.00, $400.00, and $1000.00, respectively. Typically, statistics show that people with the net worths above give more to charity than the amounts I listed. And, yes, to Bill's credit this was not the only gift that Bill has bequeathed this year and has given other gifts as well. Shit, when I was giving money to the cult I was doing about $1000 dollars per year and my net worth was a big ZERO. So, that makes my percentage INFINITE. Cool, I experienced infinity! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 19:06:13 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Taking the Census Message: Okay, so I was on a long conference call and I needed to be distracted, so this is what I did. I went through the current active and inactive index and counted up the ex-premies who are currently posting. I left out premies and people who said they were neither. I came up with 48 individuals. These are just the ex-premies who post, not counting scores more who just lurk. I thought this was pretty amazing. We are becomming quite a, dare I say, community. I also think this ex-premie movement has now reached 'critical mass.' This doesn't even count the many more ex-premies who have posted in the past, but haven't done so in the past few weeks. Notably, these would include good old Deena, bftb, Mark, Scott (whatever happened to him?), Malibu Mole, Judith, Anne (Anne, if you read this, you are really cool), former webmaster D@vid, Unlimited, and a bunch more I don't recall at the moment. When this website started about 18 months ago, I wouldn't have thought it would have gotten this big. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 20:30:48 (EST)
From: nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: JW Subject: Absent friends Message: In fact an entire rugby team of people I have never met just wished me happy birthday - that's more cyberexpremies than real people doing the same. (And thanks again all) Maybe we could challenge enjoyinglife to a game and give 'em some rough treatment. I don't know which ex's are on your list, Joe, but from this past year I am remembering, and miss a little, John Cavad, G's mom, John K (or is he Little Yiddisher Grandma?), Rick (are you still there?) - and many more whose names escape me right now. Maybe everyone could show their faces at Christmas - or Hannakah, or whatever - just to say hi. As to reaching 'critical mass', I don't think the number of contributors is so important as the quality of information that is being accumulated here, and in those terms, I think we have passed critical mass, already. Ultimately, I think it is this rich store of information that can - and will - destroy the silly little guru guy's vainglorious mission. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 20:41:24 (EST)
From: Joy Email: Bluebirdd@aol.com To: nigel Subject: Absent friends Message: Hey, Nigel, I think that's kind of a good idea for everybody currently reading/posting, plus long-lost ex-s to show up at Christmas just to say hi. Perhaps we could make a thread called CHRISTMAS TREE, advertise it in advance, and everybody could post a little Christmas message, sort of like a Christmas card or something? Sort of a community gathering to ring in the new year, network, lend support, etc. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 20:53:43 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Joy Subject: Christmas Tree Message: Dear Joy, A great idea about the 'Christmas Tree'! But of course Jim at least would know I would feel that way! ;) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:03:33 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: nigel Subject: Absent friends Message: I think John K is still around, only now he's just 'John' - see the DECA thread below (apologies to John if you're not John K, but you sure sound like him, plus have a similar story). Also, G's mom posted fairly recently about Marolyn's letter. Plus some other folks that JW mentioned are with us in spirit (not to mention e-mail), although they may not be posting on the forum. I do agree with Joy, though, that a holiday thread would be nice. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:55:41 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Katie Subject: Absent friends Message: JW, we do have a real community here. The thread is a very good idea, Joy! Maybe we shouldn't offend the atheists by having it on Christmas (snicker) How about New Years Eve/Day? 1999 Maharaji-free! I've been here a year now-amazing. A few more names: Still Crazy (we made him/her mad) Jude(x) Anon (saw his posts today-Hi Anon) Memphis Belle How about Scott Perry who helped start all this in the first place? |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 23:45:37 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: VP Subject: Absent friends Message: Anyone mention Richard? Boris? That woman from South America I got along with so well... what's her name? And for premies, hell, where IS Jack? And dear Annie? I can't wait to read the Conversations page on ELK when they finally 'learn how to handle the technology'. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 13:50:30 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Jim Subject: Absent friends-a few more Message: Richards posts were great. I remembered a few more exes: Petebear Steve A. Paul PaulR Charles And on Anand Ji I also remember one poster whose ex-wife was dating a premie. The premie boyfriend was trying to show his kids M videos. I don't remember his handle, but it was two initials. I wonder how things worked out for him. Then there was the premie Petrou. I think he got blocked for threats, so I doubt he will be attending the party. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:12:39 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: VP Subject: Absent friends-a few more Message: I particularly remember the man who had two premie brothers. One had committed suicide, and the other one has just had a nervous breakdown. He was asking for help for his surviving brother on the forum. I really hope his brother is all right now, or close to it, anyway. I remember the name of the brother who killed himself, too: it was Jeremy Frost. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 21:09:03 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: VP Subject: Absent friends-a few more Message: Dear VP, Yes Richard is great and seems he stops in from time to time. Hope his wife is OK. What about Carol. I was thinking about the man whose ex-wife was dating a premie also and wonder how things are with his kids. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 13:53:48 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Jim Subject: Was her name Paula? nt Message: nt Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 21:12:21 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: VP Subject: Was her name Paula? Message: Dear VP, If this was in answer to Jim about the woman from S. Africa either he has the country wrong or it wasn't Paula, she is from Brazil. There was someone posting from S. Africa but I thought it was a man, can't remember his name though. <3 Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 23:45:29 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Was her name Paula? Message: I just remember Paula scolding Jim a bit. Maybe he forgot she was from Brazil...or maybe he is talking about someone else who got onto him. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 10:26:23 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Katie Subject: Absent friends Message: Yes, it's true...I am he and I am me. Katie, we had fun in Fredericksburg with Louanne and Terry. Too bad you could not make it. Maybe another time? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 11:49:00 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: John Subject: Maybe next year Message: Sorry we missed it - we would have liked to have been there. We've got to go back East some time though, so maybe next year? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 23:41:24 (EST)
From: Rick Email: None To: nigel Subject: Absent friends Message: Yeah, Nigel, I'm still here, you old fart. Rick Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 01:37:37 (EST)
From: bill Email: None To: Rick Subject: Absent friends Message: hooray! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 13:07:32 (EST)
From: Nigel Email: None To: Rick Subject: Brian, it's an imposter! Message: Some tosser pretending to be Rick just called me a very bad word ('Old'), and upset my delicate constitution. Would you ban him, please? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 15:31:59 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Rick Subject: Absent friends Message: Hey Rick, I hoped you were still around (I thought you only called people nasty names in Yiddish, though). I just sent you something via snail mail. Take care, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 23:56:22 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Katie Subject: Katie Message: Dear Katie, I just got your snail mail! :) Thanks! Veep's too. Thanks Veep! :) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:55:08 (EST)
From: Liz Email: None To: JW Subject: Taking the Census Message: As a new comer to this site, I can't believe how much time some people (not just you JW) must spend here. I too find it a very 'enjoyable' site and have been lurking as much as time will allow. It has been heaps informative and is much more entertaining than the opposition (What's their name again?) So I would like to say a big thankyou to all those regulars who inform as well as entertain. Big thankyou, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 01:38:01 (EST)
From: Barney Email: None To: Liz Subject: It's a good place, indeed! Message: Indeed, sometimes I just lurk waiting for the better stuff that I find either more pertinent or more comical. I tend to avoid the massive discussions on God or philosophy since I really don't care about big ideas anymore and just want to get my life together on a day to day basis. Heck, for my spirituality or philosophy I listen to Art Bell I either like the juicy stuff about what a sleaze M. is/was and other infamous characters or I like the 'recovery' oriented material since I still consider myself quite damaged from M's 'stunted philosophy' (phrase from JW, how very appropriate.) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 02:58:30 (EST)
From: TD Email: None To: JW Subject: Taking the Census Message: Wow, 48! That's amazing. For some reason I've always thought there was only about a dozen or so here at any one time, but maybe that's because it always feels like a cyber dinner party with everyone so welcome and familiar. Oh, and I still think we should have that big real life ex-premie get-together one day before we all stop enjoying life and die...what about Hawaii - that's the centre of the world, isn't it? Or should we go to the centre of the premie's world - Malibu? Do you think we could rent part of the residence and get one of those associated premie companies to do the catering? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 11:29:42 (EST)
From: RT Email: yowsuh To: TD Subject: Taking the Senses Message: 48 voices of realizaton and logic, unspooling the yarn Maharaji grew. Thank you! Tip o the DAY: There's enought data here for a cult killing book. Searching for a title: 'Leave The Room for Doubt' or 'Spinning Infinity: The Brainwashing Laundramat of a SatGuru' or 'Don't sing that, Arti, pass me the video' or 'The 4 Time Wasting Techniques of the Divine Scam' or 'Ex -Premies Shrugged' or 'Maharaji Leared at me: HIS Mistress at 50,000 feet' - or 'Perfect Master? Which one?'.... Who will write this book? Will we all get a royalty? Let's PARTY. RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 16:41:59 (EST)
From: Orlando Email: None To: RT Subject: some people moved on... Message: the absentees for your Christmas party might be those who understood that it was time to move on and that they decided to continue doing something more 'positive' in their lives? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 17:21:59 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Orlando Subject: some people moved on... Message: Dear Orlando - People aren't expected to participate in this forum forever (It has only been on line for about a year and a half, by the way). Some have gotten what they wanted to out of it, and then moved on to other things. I would hope that it would be a form of therapy for some people, and obviously, people do move on from therapy. I also know people who didn't like the forum format, but did like the website itself. Other people prefer to exchange e-mails rather than post on the forum. And of course there are those who have liked neither (perhaps you fall into this category). I do get to care for many people who have participated/are participating in this forum, and it's nice to hear from them again - even if it's just to say hi. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 09:25:50 (EST)
From: Orlando Email: None To: Katie Subject: some people moved on... Message: Katie i agree with you 100%. my comment was not mean to be 'negative' (even though i am branded as being on the wrong side). i was just thinking (this may sound stupid but here goes) i am witnessing something around here: friendship amongst ex-premies. when communications start going beyond the net (with calls, visits, e-mail etc). this whole thing becomes more 'human'. A new gang of friends is forming, a 'community' (somebody else mentionned this). at least, out of being involved with M. and Knowledge you gained this: very good friends. so ...it is not 100% bad.. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 16:03:38 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Orlando Subject: some people moved on... Message: Dear Orlando - I wasn't sure if your preceding comment was negative or not, and am glad to find out that it wasn't. You are right that there is a sort of community forming among the ex-premies, which is great. Because of this site, I have met so many wonderful people, and have also re-connected with some old friends. I don't think most of the people on here would classify their experience with Maharaji as 100% bad. I definitely experienced some really good times with some of the other premies in my community. I had a hard time at festivals, but I know other people here enjoyed them, particularly Holi. One of the most difficult things about leaving Maharaji's organization was that I lost all my premie friends almost instantly (except for the people that I knew before I was a premie). My husband and I have lived in four different college towns, so people are always coming and going, and we are constantly having to say goodbye to friends. But there is usually some sort of continuity there - friendships maintained, visiting, and so forth. Leaving the premie community was like cutting off all those relationships with a knife. I'm glad to be able to pick up some of those pieces on this site. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 17:54:40 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Orlando Subject: some people moved on... Message: Why don't you join them, Orlando? That would be a very 'positive' thing, IMO. BTW, you owe Gail an apology before you go. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:41:58 (EST)
From: hamzen Email: None To: VP Subject: some people moved on... Message: Indeed yes VP, to both points. Some people around here seem to have a bit of an attitude problem. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 09:17:50 (EST)
From: Orlando Email: None To: VP Subject: you are right Message: VP you are right...as i was posting i thought 'this applies to you too' so i agree, i will move on as for the appology to Gail, just a little note: if you followed the entire thread, she mentionned that she was 'threatenned'. I said i very much doubted her statement. She got pissed. Jim got into the conversation, made a few phone calls, etc. she was supposed to produce the threat letter (it was supposedly done in writing)...never saw the thing... so it is not quite clear what i am to apologize for... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 19:27:01 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Orlando Subject: you are right Message: Well, I can tell you what I think you need to apologize for, but you do as you please. I did follow the entire thread and I saw that you doubted she had been threatened. I don't have any problem with your doubt. What I didn't like was when you accused Gail of making up stories. I think the post said, 'You'll have to excuse Gail, she likes to make up these little stories'--something very similar to that. Some very unsettling things are happening to her within what used to be her community. She tells about them here and you basically accused her of being a liar without knowing whether or not her story was true or false. I mean, do you know 100% what went on? Were you in Gail's home when the friend showed her the letter? If not, I think that was unfair to her to say she is making it up with no proof. There's nothing wrong with saying you doubt premies would threaten her, but to call her a liar is something different. She may not have posted the letter, but for all you know the friend who showed it to her may have thrown it in the trashcan or refused to give it to her. (Sheesh!) This person may be too afraid to give this to Gail. Hey, I'd like to see it myself, or at least hear why it never made it here. I also want to mention that I have not formed an opinion about you because you are a premie. (I really like some premies I know) I have formed it based on what you have had to say so far. You are more than welcome to hang around. I just thought it was ironic that you posted that message, yet were still here yourself. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 21:27:36 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: VP Subject: the case for Gail Message: Orlando, If you were fair about this you'd either accept that I've spoken with the letter's recipient who impressed me, for what it's worth, that she did indeed first receive the verbal threat against Gail (and us) and then the written confirmation from Madge or call me a liar. If you're not calling me a liar then only question, then, is whether or not the person I spoke with was just some friend of Gail's able and willing to fool me about all this. I know I wasn't lying, of course, but even I have to admit that maybe I was fooled. Maybe Gail just got this woman to pull the wool over my eyes. Mind you, I didn't get anything like that impression at all (obvviously) and would be happy to discuss with you all the reasons why not. You never followed up on this, though. Why's that? I have to agree with Veep. What you said and how you said it was the kind fo thing that, had it been about me, I'd have been pretty pissed off. Wouldn't you? Here's what I think. I think that you don't think ex's feelings matter because we're all possessed by some evil force or something. You don't give a shit about us as people because we think Maharaji's a fraud. You're more than happy to hurt Gail, if that's indeed what you did, just because she IS an ex. Am I right? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 09:35:24 (EST)
From: Orlando Email: None To: Jim Subject: the case for Gail Message: Jim you write: 'Here's what I think. I think that you don't think ex's feelings matter because we're all possessed by some evil force or something. You don't give a shit about us as people because we think Maharaji's a fraud. You're more than happy to hurt Gail, if that's indeed what you did, just because she IS an ex' here is my answer: you don't think premies's feelings matter because we're all possessed by some evil force or something. You don't give a shit about us as people because we think Maharaji is not a fraud. You're more than happy to hurt premies, if that's indeed what you did, just because they are not an ex here is another unproven theory: you really embarassed Gail when you called her. it put her on the spot.her friend called you in Gail's presence. i also feel very strongly that you yourself are not 100% convinced about the story.By the way, did you noticed? i am not sure that she posted since then (under her ral name, that is) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 11:41:59 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Orlando Subject: wrong Message: Orlando, First, it doesn't matter a fig what I think about premies' feelings. The question was about you and why you so easily called Gail a liar about something as sensitive as being threatened in some way. Don't be stupid. As for my own belief, I'd say I'm 99+ per cent convinced that Gail and her friend are telling the truth. It'd be foolhardy for me to say 100 per cent. There's always the mathemetically significant possibility that her 'friend' was just playing a part. But no, I don't think that for a moment. I'm as positive as I could imagine one being -- without actually seeing the letter myself (and having the handwriting authenticated of course) that Madge did indeed say she and/or the premies would get Gail and or 'us'. Let me ask YOU something -- IF you're wrong, and in all likelihood you are seeing as you're just basing your entire accusation on a little, wishful-thinking hunch that Gail MAY be making this all up -- but assuming that you're wrong, aren't you being a real creep here? The girl gets threatened by her former firned, reports it and you call her a liar. I'd say it really does make you look like an asshole. What do you think? As your kids about it, if you have any. Show them all the relevant posts and get their opinions. Ask your wife or girlfriend. No, I'm afraid you're on your own with this one, Orlando. And if you don't have the integrity to deal with it properly that's your problem, not Gail's. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 14:43:37 (EST)
From: Orlando Email: None To: Jim Subject: wrong Message: Jim i have been called i liar many times on this site and no one got concerned about hurting my feelings . Ho...i forgot...it does not matter because i am in a cult and it is good for me! if you dish it out, be ready to receive it as well. sorry about that PS: i am on my own? no kidding! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 18:31:33 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Orlando Subject: wrong again Message: i have been called i liar many times on this site and no one got concerned about hurting my feelings . Ho...i forgot...it does not matter because i am in a cult and it is good for me! if you dish it out, be ready to receive it as well. sorry about that Orlando, You might not be a liar but you sure are thick. Again and again you miss the point. Gail told about a personal discussion she'd had confirming that she'd been threatened. I don't recall anyone here challenging you on anything of that sort. Do you? Has anyone said, 'Orlando, when you say you so-and-s0 called you on such-and-such day, you're simply lying'. No one's said anything LIKE that. PLUS, the subject matter. Think about it, if that's even slightly possible. Look, it's abundantly clear to me that, like so many other premies, you don't have good reasoning skills. Irrespective of whatever happens here or in your life regarding Maharaji, I'd suggest you take a course in critical thinking. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 09:28:09 (EST)
From: Orlando Email: None To: VP Subject: you are right Message: VP i do not want to restart this whole story...but...unfortunately, i still doubt her story. i have read many of Gails'previous posts and some were definite exagerations (not to say lie). why do i have to prove that she is lying, when all SHE has to do is write anything she wants? where are her proofs? anyways, let's leave it at that, shall we? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 11:18:40 (EST)
From: Mike Email: None To: Orlando Subject: you are right Message: Orlando: Maybe you should read what you just wrote. Why should anyone have to prove themselves innocent? My friend, you should try to prove that she's guilty of lying, since this is YOUR accusation. Go ahead.... PROVE that she's lying! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:11:57 (EST)
From: RT Email: mmm To: Orlando Subject: some people moved on, some off Message: Hello, Orlando FL! I meant let's party and write a book! My christmas party is with family. RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 23:04:57 (EST)
From: Mole Email: None To: RT Subject: MJ's take on people moving on Message: MJ said, 'Some people left because they didn't like the management. The management changes and they don't come back!' [He shrugs and gives a perplexed look.] I say, 'Hey, MJ. If you think a lot of people left because of management, you ain't seen nothin' yet. Just wait until more folks read this site. TRUE KNOWLEDGE = MASS EXODUS Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 01:36:16 (EST)
From: tunnel rat Email: None To: Mole Subject: MJ's take on people moving on Message: first the blame went to kali yuga then it was western materialism then it was his mom and brothers then it was the indian insructors then it was our concepts --the concept bomb satsang where .. it was our concepts that was keeping us from .. realizing knowledge then it was the denver missions fault and so they were ..broken up then it was our lack of dedication and foolish people ..following thier minds and leaving the ashrams in 76 ..after HE SAID it was just temporary. then it was we got the techniques wrong and the new western ..mahatmas gave out NEW 'streamlined' techniques. then it was our lack of surrender then it was he 'wanted to give us that experience but you ..need to take those three steps' then ------say, why dont some of you fill in the rest. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 21:53:55 (EST)
From: RT Email: mmmmmmmmmm To: tunnel rat Subject: MJ's take on people moving on Message: Very Good! You remembered the HOLY BLAME! :) RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 09:30:34 (EST)
From: Orlando Email: None To: Mole Subject: coming from the same video.. Message: From your recent posts...i understand that you just watched the recent Amaroo video...circulating everywhere around the world.... this is not exactly priviledged information! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 19:30:58 (EST)
From: Mole Email: None To: Orlando Subject: Privileged Info, Orlando Message: In case you hadn't noticed, you are a cult member. I am very proud to say that I have given up this addiction. Consequently, I can assure you that all cult info is for cult members and prospects ONLY. If I tell you who I am or where I heard the junk, I won't be able to attend the beautiful video events and the gala affair in Vancouver. Current cult members do not let the press or ex-premies in lest they exposed the trip for what it is--mumbo jumbo. When is the last time you proudly ushered in recruits? I am surprised that you are not saying the statements I made are falsehoods. However, you sharpened my wits for me. Now when I attend events or videos, I take two concealed voice-activated tape recorders with me. I also help with the videos and make photocopies of all interesting documents. Pretty soon, you will be getting frisked at the door, Orlando--you poor thing! By the way, have you been able to get out to ENJOYINGLIFE.ORG lately? It looks like the organizers are going to have to stop boasting about the number of hits, doesn't it. Hardly anyone has IBM Lotus to access the files. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 20:49:40 (EST)
From: Jim Email: heller@bc1.com To: Mole Subject: Hey Mole Message: Hey Mr. Mole, Would you be so kind as to email me? I promise I won't reveal your identity and I think it'll be a mutually agreeable contact. If you prefer, you can call me at (250)360-1040. Trust me on this. Thanks, Jim Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 09:43:36 (EST)
From: Orlando Email: None To: Mole Subject: to canadian mole Message: dear dear mole i think your descriptions of the videos YOU SAW are very accurate. i do not challenge this. you write: 'I am very proud to say that I have given up this addiction.' my answer: Really? you are still going to video events! you are addicted to something...that's for sure...all this cloak and dagger stuff does not impress me, really. you make it sound like you are going 'undercover'...it is almost funny, really. you are going to TAPE video events? wow! it is even funnier Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 15:58:40 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Mole Subject: The Management Message: Some people left because they didn't like the management. The management changes and they don't come back!' [He shrugs and gives a perplexed look.] Thanks for the quote. I wonder how Maharaji knows this. Has he ever asked why the vast majority of his premies have left? And I assume he means that at one time premies were running things and now he's running things himself and so things are improved. Do you think that's the implication? By the way, when did Maharaji say this? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 19:15:14 (EST)
From: Mole Email: None To: JW Subject: The Management Message: He mentioned the mgt. in a recent Amaroo video. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 00:40:27 (EST)
From: dv Email: None To: Mole Subject: Amazing Message: So what you're saying, is, if premies reading this site figure out who I am, they will block me from coming in to a program? I have an inkling it may have already happened. This is exciting- like something out of a Ludlum novel. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 11:46:35 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: dv Subject: Amazing Message: Hey dv - I'm not sure about the program-blocking (so far none of us who post under our real names have tried it), but they for sure won't let you post on their site, even if it's a supportive message. Brian tried this - he was happy to see a new web site for premies - and he got deleted as soon as they figured out who he was. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 17:56:15 (EST)
From: Mole Email: None To: dv Subject: Amazing Message: You bet they will! At the very least, they will want a full confessional and an agreement signed in blood. You must not spread vicious lies about MJ, you must not broadcast his message on this site, you must devoid yourself of everything but your heart, and most importantly, you must devote your self to K and MJ. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 13:22:30 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: mgdbach@ziplink.net To: Everyone Subject: Premie Art??? Message: Yesterday I saw the Calder exhibit at the Museum of Modern Art in San Francisco. It was an amazingly joyful show; everyone was wandering around grinning and it was a pure joy, not that idiot glee we used to see at 'festivals.' I really enjoyed the mobiles and sculptures and seeing people's responses to the art. On the way home I was thinking about art and the joy it can express and create in the observer, and this led to thinking about whether there was any art in the premie world. When I was a premie, there was lots of devotional music, but I didn't think it was that good, and I would'nt classify it as art. I don't remember seeing any paintings or sculpture. I know people were writting poems; they publish that stuff at enjoyingmyzombielife.org. Did the rest of you ever see anything that we might call 'premie art' when you were in the cult? Do you think that the cult mind-set even allows for the creation of art? There is some great religious art: Chegall (sp), Goya, etc, and music: Bach, Palestrina, Poulenc, but I'm curious about art in the context of 'enjoying life with knowledge.' Anybody? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 13:32:04 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Those English cartoons Message: Mickey, Remember those English cartoon versions of the hamster's satsang stories? Now that was art, wasn't it? No, I think you won't have any premie art until the time if and when the cult turns into a good, solid religion and people are allowed to use their minds quite freely within it. It's still a little green. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 20:16:28 (EST)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Jim Subject: Those English cartoons Message: I remember being shown one particular cartoon in the mid 70s, back when aspirant programs were 1 week seminars. It was the story of these meanies who had this battle with these sunshine people who were bombing them with sunshine and the meanies were terrified because if they got hit they'd become happy and that was the last thing they wanted. What was the name of this stupid cartoon? Anybody remember? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:20:33 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Those English cartoons Message: YECH! I can't believe there were premie cartoons. That is so scary to me Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 22:30:10 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Jerry Subject: American Cartoon Message: Wasn't it the 'The Sunshine Makers?' The sunshine makers dropped what looked like milk bottles of sunshine on the meanies who kept saying 'I don't want to be happy, I want to be sad.' Then, after they got bombed, they said something like 'I like to be happy, I like to be glad.' It was in the style of 30s cartoons in the US, you know the ones that I used to watch in the afternoon that were blatantly racist and anti-semetic. There were also a lot of war propoganda cartoons, with Popeye and others. There were also some skits the premies put on in the early years, one was 'Warm Fuzzies' and another was 'The Cow.' After 1976, those things were all abandoned including PLA (Performers of the Living Arts), as Maharaji entered his dark, devotional Catholic period and everything got super dark and heavy. No more Sunshine Makers, no more skits, it was just devotion and surrender, ashram, service, service, service, and longing to be kissing his feet, if not doing so. We didn't even have Krishna Lila anymore. That was kind of fun, and Fuzbee played the flute. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 22:35:54 (EST)
From: shp Email: None To: JW Subject: and fuzbee played.. Message: That was kind of fun, and Fuzbee played the flute. fuzbee's still playing, the guitar in a recent video...still fun. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 19:44:05 (EST)
From: Iola Email: None To: Shp Subject: To Shp: and fuzbee played.. Message: I agree, Shp. Parts of the cult involvement were fun, but only if you believed in MJ's divinity. People have made a lot of effort over the years. Sometimes their sincerity was a true inspiration. Nevertheless, it was a belief system that held and is holding it all together. Think about it. I am sure you have made paramount effort toward K and MJ at different times in your life. Why couldn't you sustain that effort? Why have you been on a roller-coaster ride since 1978? I'd be willing to bet that you have felt so good and been so high after some programs that you actually thought IF THIS IS MY LAST DAY, COULD I PLEASE HAVE ANOTHER. IT FEELS SO GOOD TO BE ALIVE. Then, the after-the-program crash would set in and you probably thought I HOPE THIS IS MY LAST DAY. WHEN IS THIS SITUATION OF OBLIGATION GOING TO END. I HAVE TO MEDITATE. I HAVE TO ATTEND SATSANG (VIDEOS). I HAVE TO DONATE MY TIME AND MONEY. I HAVE TO TRAVEL LONG DISTANCES TO SEE MJ. MY LIFE IS NOT MY OWN. I AM NOT FREE. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 01:57:58 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: JW Subject: American Cartoon Message: I saw a small portion of 'The Sunshine Makers' on Pee-wee's Playhouse once. It was the cartoon that the King of Cartoons showed. Was Pee-wee a premie???? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 02:12:59 (EST)
From: Barney Email: None To: JW Subject: American Cartoon Message: click here to see Sunshine Maker jpg Made in 1935. I above link was found on www.IMDB.com Indeed, a lot of entertainment back then was racist and picked on just about all the ethnic groups. I did like the cartoon stylization, which was all done by hand, of course. Sure, today's computer gen'd stuff is amazing, but I feel that sometimes it lacks an artists slightly unsteady hand. The worst was the period starting with Clutch Cargo. Right, Paddlefoot. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 14:26:18 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Barney Subject: American Cartoon Message: Barney, I laughed SO hard reading 'Right, Paddlefoot'. I haven't heard that in years. Clutch Cargo WAS awful. Remember Speed Racer (didn't they stay still, but they had moving mouths?) and Johnny Quest, etc. I always liked the Merry Melodies myself. I can still catch them from time to time. Sure, today's computer gen'd stuff is amazing, but I feel that sometimes it lacks an artists slightly unsteady hand. I agree. You know a lot about art. Are you an artist? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 15:40:27 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: VP Subject: American Cartoon Message: No, VP, the cartoon you are thinking of is Space Ghost or Space Angel or something, some kinda space emphereal being; it was similar to Clutch Cargo with the moving mouths. Speed Racer was a Japanese cartoon, and I think you can find it on some cable channels. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:04:35 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: American Cartoon Message: Oh, I vaguely remember that Space Angel cartoon. I just couldn't remember whether or not Speed Racer had moving mouths. I had forgotten it was Japanese. Do any of you remember Ultra Man? That live action thing that fought monsters. I think that show was Japanese, too. It was very cheesy. 'Here he comes, here comes Speed Racer, he's a demon on wheels! He's a demon and he's gonna be chasin' after someone...' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:11:42 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: VP Subject: American Cartoon Message: Yeah, I used to watch Ultraman, but I watched it in Japanese. My father would just crack-up when he saw the show. It was the best series for guys-in-rubber-lizard-suits-tearing-up-models-of-Japanese-cities. I didn't know that it was shown in the States. In Okinawa it was pronounced: 'Oolturamanu.' Kakui desu ne!! My favorite cartoons were Jay Ward cartoons: Crusader Rabbit, Rocky and Bullwinkle, Roger Ramjet, Tom Slick, George of the Jungle, etc. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:33:15 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: American Cartoon Message: Ultraman was our favorite for a while. (My Dad used to laugh at it, too.) I think it had been around in Japan for a while before it got over to the US. Our favorite thing about the show was that the actors moved their mouths in Japanese, but English was what we heard. The mouth movement never matched the words. (And it was poorly translated so sometimes the story didn't make much sense.) The main reason we liked it was because it was so funny. My siblings and I used to try to imitate it-my sister would move her lips and I would speak. We would crack up. Remember that cool thing he did with his arms-crossing them? We watched Bullwinkle and George of the Jungle because my Dad liked them. We were too young to understand the political jokes back then. 'And now here's something you'll REALLY like...' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 02:30:39 (EST)
From: Barney Email: None To: VP Subject: American Cartoon Message: No, not an artist. Wish I was, but they don't make too much $$$. Did you get tickets to see Van Gogh in D.C.? IMHO, Van Gogh is the Best, although Renoir and Lautrec (sp?)are both pretty damn good. I've only seen maybe 7 to 10 of Van Gogh's pieces in person and I'm always stunned by them - so much color, so subtle even though the paint is practically thrown on with his knife in gobs. Yet, the gobs seem to be mixed as if by magic. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 10:52:25 (EST)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Barney Subject: What about Monet? Message: I have a screen saver that flashes a different masterpiece of his every 30 seconds or so. Was there ever a more brilliant use of color? Not that I've seen. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 11:08:14 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Jerry Subject: What about Monet? Message: Dear Jerry, Yes, Monet is one of my favorites, most all of the impressionists really. I was thinking why I don't have much to say in this thread and it is a down fall of rural living, not to be able to get to museums. As a kid near NYC my mom took us all the time and then at a teen I went with friends. The country has lots of pluses but culture isn't one of them unless your idea of culture is a dead and gutted buck tied to the hood of your car! (It is buck season here, started Monday and there is no school on that day because not enough kids show up to count it as a day!) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 12:35:50 (EST)
From: Barney Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Monet - almost blind Message: Yup, Monet was sweet. In his later years he could barely see, just as Beethoven was deaf from syphillis. This defect in Monet can be affected his work by being fuzzy and lacking a lot of sharp detail. Nevertheless, it worked for me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 22:35:39 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Barney Subject: Monet - almost blind Message: Dear Barney, Hi, I didn't know that about Monet but do you realize that impressionist art is fuzzy up close and more in focus from a distance. That is what always amazed me about it, how they painted that way. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 03:06:45 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Monet - almost blind Message: yeah, it's like an illusion. They are just fooling us with their skill, aren't they? It's hard to believe that they consciously know exactly what they are doing. Oh-oh, it's that conscious stuff. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 12:33:58 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: barney Subject: Katie - almost blind Message: Hey, I am pretty blind too (probably similar to Monet, actually, although my vision is corrected), and it has helped me paint at times. When I don't have my contact in, I see things in patches of color. Otherwise I tend to get hung up on the details. Ever wonder why artists squint when they are looking at things? That's why (at least that's why I do it). P.S. Just to throw in another opinion: my favorite artists of that period are Manet and Degas. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 13:01:13 (EST)
From: gerry Email: None To: Katie Subject: Katie - almost blind (OT) Message: Hi Katie, Sounds like you have a large amount of near-sightedness and also atigmatism? How can you wear contacts? What kind? Did you know there was a large component of 'psychology' in near-sightedness? Really. It has something to do with not wanting to see unpleasant things (in childhood--were one is usually helpless to do anything about it) and sort of 'going off' in the eyes as an escape method. I wore glasses from age five. Ended up with whopping lenses of about eight diopters of correction plus sphere for astigmatism. I'm 20-20 with half that amount of lens correction now and my glasses no longer look like coke bottles. Plus I can now were standard soft lenses. I don't correct for ANY astigmatism with them (obviously, you can't with standard soft lenses) inspite of the fact that the doctors told me my corneas were shaped like 'footballs.' Owe it all to Vision Therapy, aka Orthoptics. I had about 10 sessions a couple of years ago and have maintained the improvement without any further effort. It was simple, fast and fun. Based only on eye exercises, no psychotherapy stuff at all in a regular dr's office. I wonder if I could have gone all the way to normal vision with more, but was happy with what I got. Amazing, huh! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 13:30:56 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: gerry Subject: Katie - almost blind (OT) Message: Thanks for the suggestion, Gerry. Are those the eye exercises that were developed by a Dr. Bates? I'd be interested in learning more, although it might be hard for me to find a doctor who does that kind of work out here. I wear hard contacts and have for years. Glasses distort my vision so much that they are hard for me to use. I'm also unable to switch from contact to glasses because of the amount of correction my eyes need. But the hard contacts have actually have kept my eyes from getting worse. I am just really really nearsighted (although not legally blind) - no astigmatism (that I know of). I attribute it to learning how to read at age three, but your theory about 'not wanting to see' is quite plausible. It really is a handicap, although not hard to live with in the modern world. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 14:34:19 (EST)
From: gerry Email: None To: Katie Subject: Katie - almost blind (OT) Message: College of Optometrists in Vision Development 243 N. Lindbergh Blvd. Ste 310 St.Louis, MO 63141-7851 (314)991-4007 1-888-COVD770 FAX(314)991-1167 Lot's of stuff on the web, too Look under vision therapy, or orthoptics. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 23:54:36 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: barney Subject: Monet - almost blind Message: Dear Barney, It's hard to believe that they consciously know exactly what they are doing. Yes, that is what facinates me! If we are awake we just can't get away from that conscience stuff can we! :) I love Monet and Degas also Katie. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 08:20:18 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: JW Subject: American Cartoon Message: Dear Joe, When, I think it is Barney, mentioned that cartoon with the sunshine, I was thinking I saw a similar one that wasn't made by premies but reading your post I realized that was the cartoon I had in mind, done in the 30's style. This was a premie creation? God my mind is not very good an filing! :) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 12:08:59 (EST)
From: Barney Email: None To: Robyn Subject: American Cartoon Message: God no, this wasn't a premie creation. I really doubt that premies made any cartoons. Cartoons are very expensive unless you have a lot of slaves to do each cell by hand. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 22:32:11 (EST)
From: shp Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Those English cartoons Message: wasn't that one called 'yellow submarine'? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 22:57:10 (EST)
From: Jerry Email: None To: shp Subject: Those English cartoons Message: No, shp, JW got it right. It was an old 30s type of cartoon that was part of my indoctrination into premiedom. The premies loved it. The point was that M was going to make us happy in spite of ourselves. Well, here we are, ex-premies, 20 some odd years later. I guess M's sunshine just can't do anything for some of us meanies, huh? (Heh...heh...) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 23:04:43 (EST)
From: shp Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Those English cartoons Message: i don't think you're so mean...if i did, i probably wouldn't be around. i never saw that flick, and the'yellow sub' was just to lighten the load some...it seemed heavy, i've been catching up on some threads...didn't mean to mock you or anything like that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 09:37:25 (EST)
From: Jerry Email: None To: shp Subject: No offense taken, shp Message: I didn't feel you were mocking me. I honestly thought YOU thought the cartoon I was thinking of was 'The Yellow Submarine', which it wasn't, but now I know you know that. Sheesh. And I am a meanie, oh yes I am. I don't want to be happy, I want to be sad. I don't want to be happy, I want to be sad.... :-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 14:20:55 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: shp Subject: Those English cartoons Message: shp, I think you are right, The meanies WERE in some Beatles movie. I think it was yellow submarine. My guess is that JW is talking about a different set of meanies. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 13:44:06 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Premie Art??? Message: Hey, faddah! This probably doesn't answer your question, but when I was in Destin Florida once, I went in a gallery there and saw some art that looked like it could have been done by a premie. (But it could have been from any number of religions, too.) One painting showed a man in robes seated on the floor meditating. Above his head was this light and it was emanating from the center of his forehead. Anyway, the artist was not there and so I couldn't ask him about his inspiration. The subject matter in his paintings were meditation, souls, etc. I have since forgotten his name. The colors were quite beautiful and the execution of the human form was very realistic. Do you remember a premie posting here that Salvadore Dali was inspired by knowledge? She mentioned that we should look at his painting The Last Supper. Christ is holding something in his hand. (I don't know what) They sell lots of objects in the Visions catalog, jewelry with the new crest of the cult on it, etched glasses, and some really cheesy pink and black stuff with swans on it, but NO, I would not consider any of that stuff 'art'. Calder is a lot of fun! His work is a very joyful, even childlike kind of art. I always feel like a kid again when I see it, anyway. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 17:15:21 (EST)
From: hamzen Email: None To: VP Subject: Premie Art??? Message: VP, was it you that was into Diebenkorn? My favourite artist ever was Robert Motherwell, although I was really into Diebenkorn's abstracts for a while, which was amazing considering I've never seen his stuff in the flesh. Remember seeing some op-art type stuff by a premie around '73-4, that was an attempt to paint his experience of light in meditation that wasn't bad at all, think he might have been in that Irish band Dr Strangely Strange as well. Re good premie art, surely as a concept that would be like good soviet art? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 18:08:28 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: hamzen Subject: Premie Art??? Message: Re good premie art, surely as a concept that would be like good soviet art? I think you've hit the nail on the head here, Ham. I know there were some extremely talented artists and musicians in the premie community that I lived it. But, when you feel that you can't address the dark side of life, it makes it kind of hard to make real art. I do think that some of the premie music DID address this, at least musically, if not lyrically. I am an visual artist (of sorts - VP's seen some of my stuff), and it took me a long time to be able to do that after becoming an ex-premie. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 19:10:27 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: hamzen Subject: Premie Art??? Message: Hamzen, In addition to the Calder exhibit at SF MOMA that Mickey talked about, there is also a Diebenkorn exhibit showing at the same time. The Calder is getting a lot more attention, but the Diebenkorn is pretty great. I think the Calder exhibit closes tomorrow, but Diebenkorn is there for awhile, I think for another couple of months. I saw them both about a month ago. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 20:10:35 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: JW Subject: Premie Art??? Message: Yeah, I saw the Diebenkorn exhibit and the chair collection yesterday. The Diebenkorn was great, but the Calder really had me and everyone else smiling. The Calder closes today. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 20:45:14 (EST)
From: Joy Email: Bluebirdd@aol.com To: hamzen Subject: Premie Art??? Message: Hamzen, if you like, e-mail me re that premie (who's now a very cynical ex) from Dr. Strangely Strange, I'm a good friend of his and can tell you all about what he's been up to. He's become a major Irish artist and is very good. Joy Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:24:02 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: hamzen Subject: Premie Art??? Message: Good analogy, hammie. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:34:10 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: hamzen Subject: Premie Art??? Message: No, that was someone else, I think. But I like Diebenkorn and Motherwell, too. Soviet Art-ha ha! Some of the Russian architecture/art that predates the soviets is quite beautiful. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 22:37:50 (EST)
From: TD Email: None To: VP Subject: Premie Art??? Message: They sell lots of objects in the Visions catalog, jewelry with the new crest of the cult on it, etched glasses, and some really cheesy pink and black stuff with swans on it, but NO, I would not consider any of that stuff 'art'. You're right. I must admit I thought most of the EV designs were outright tack-o-rama. The 25th anniversary mandala logo was about the nicest thing I saw out of the whole lot, and that ain't saying much. Those event logos (Swept by the feeling, Amaroo 97 etc etc) were the kind of designs you'd find on those cards grandparents give, which have a plastic cover over them, and some pastey poem or Bible verse in them. I knew a few old premies who were 'artists' but their work didn't seem to represent premie life very much. My ex painted, but his works were inspired more by LSD flashbacks than an obvious influence of Knowledge/Maharaji. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 08:27:11 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: VP Subject: Premie Art??? Message: Dear Veep, Do you remember when we were discussing premie art some months ago and I had you going, thinking BM made some stupid thing that was on display in a grade school! Oh, those were the good ol' days. :) When I was a premie and lived up here on a premie commune farm a woman, Katrina, I think, hich hiked down from Canada with her dog Suki and lived with us for a time. She was great but she said she had worked for Salvadore Dali as part of live art at parties. They'd have to stay perfectly still through out the whole party. UGH! Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 14:02:54 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Premie Art??? Message: Oh, yeah, Robyn. When I first saw this thread, I thought about that. Ha ha ha! Didn't you post a story that you had gone to a school on your vacation to see an art exhibit by M, and that you had purchased a necklace he made? I think I even emailed you to find out if you really had it. The only reason I thought it was a joke was because I doubted you would waste your hard-earned, short, and precious vacation time going to see an art show by goomradji. SHEESH! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 16:51:17 (EST)
From: Runamok Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Velvet Mirages Message: Remember the guru Shri Chimnoy (the Santanna-McLaughlin one). He would do these series like 'A Thousand Tears of Devotion' all these miniature paintings looking like smeared fingerprints (which was prob about it) and some comparably boring music sounding like Phil Glass (oh no I dont wanna argue this either). He also (off-subject) claimed to have lifted the most weight ever lifted in the world and has all kinds of famous people backing him for his artistic and athletic integrity. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 16:59:17 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: Runamok Subject: Velvet Mirages Message: I guess the art of weight-lifting is the true evidence of enlightenment! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 17:17:49 (EST)
From: Mike Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Yeah... Message: MP: Yes, it is evidence of 'my enlightenment' if he successfully lifts it off MY chest..... he he he :-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 17:57:51 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Premie Art??? Message: There was an premie artist called Rance Barela who was quite talented. He did the illustrations for the 'Discover the Sunny Kingdom' posters, and the one that went with it (it was mostly blue, but I cannot remember the slogan). I think he also did some of the earlier Celestial Seasoning tea boxes. His work for DLM tended to be more illustration than 'art', but I always liked it. Also, Gail said a couple of months back that Maharaji had made a limited edition print of his drawing or painting of a flower. She didn't buy one, but apparently quite a few other premies did. I've never seen it, but she wasn't all that enamoured of it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 20:21:10 (EST)
From: Laura Email: None To: Katie Subject: Food art Message: I would like to think that all the food I cooked as a housemother was an art. But it all got eaten up, nothing to show for it now. What about the art of self-deception - we were great at that, weren't we? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:19:44 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Laura Subject: Food art Message: Dear Laura - If you made good food in the ashram, I am SURE it was appreciated - god knows there was enough bad food floating around premiedom. I do remember that most the food at premie potlucks in the DC area was really good, but maybe we were just lucky. I learned a lot about cooking in that premie community. I lived with one of the former ashram housemothers when we were both deprogramming and she was a great cook - but she sure was tired of cooking! As for self-deception, all I can say is that those of us on this site are not as skilled at it as others have been. (IMHO, of course.) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 12:33:33 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Laura Subject: Food art Message: Dear Laura, I hadn't thought of that! I was a house mother and everyone said it was like living at a resturant. I never used a cookbook even for cakes and cookies. Only for bread. I even made a lot of Alice B. Tokless(sp) granola cookies with home made granola! :) If everyone realy liked something I'd have to make it the next night before I forgot how. It was an art I guess, that just lives in the memories of those who ate it. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 21:03:56 (EST)
From: Joy Email: Bluebirdd@aol.com To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Good Premie Artists Message: Back in the 70s when I used to work (sorry, do service) in the graphics dept (Shri Hans Productions it was called, back then) there were several resident artists, as well as a three or four full-time graphic designers, a paste-up department, our own print shop, etc. etc. (I was the typesetter) The two artists were Rance Barela (whom Katie mentions) who was a fabulous airbrush artist, and Joan Swan, who was equally as good.. If anybody has any old And It Is Divines around, they did a lot of artwork for those, fancy drawings of Milarepa, borders for story layouts, etc. and Joan did quite a number of drawings of Shri Maharaji which were quite elegant. Both continue to make their living as commercial artists, and I don't know about Rance but Swan is still into Maharaji, I was a friend of hers for many years. She's a superb airbrush artist. As was another ex-premie, whom I've been meaning to post something about, David Davis. David was an airbrush artist/graphic designer who worked for Shri Hans Productions and lived in the ashram for many years. He and I used to share an office out at SHIP, over the hill from Malibu, for a couple years, where he designed those incredibly stuffy and boring Elan Vital magazines. David was always a cynical kind of guy and had a great eye for bullshit, and after he got transferred to Miami (a paved swamp, he used to refer to it as) they one day found a note on his ashram pillow saying he'd left for good and not to try and find him. He went back to his native Oregon and set up an airbrush business there, where he became very successful, and was a very vocal ex-premie at that point. He would have LOVED this site, and been a major contributor, I'm sure. The reason I speak of him in the past tense is that he died about five years ago from leukemia, before he was even 40 years old. A great loss to everyone who knew him. And then there is Tim Goulding over in Ireland, another ex-premie friend of mine, he was involved, I think, until around 1980, though never was silly enough to leave his wonderful little house out in the wilds of West Cork for some ridiculous ashram. Tim thinks Maharaji a total idiot now, and if he ever gets access to a computer will have a ball with this site (I've told him about it and he's dying to get on). But his art is just amazing, he works mainly in oils and has exhibits internationally. Certainly nothing to do with the BM at this point, though, Tim's a major talent in his own right. So, there are lots of premie artists about! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 01:53:09 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: Joy Subject: Good Premie Artists Message: Hi Joy, I know that there were artist who were premies, but I always felt that they gave up on pure art for devotional stuff. I didn't know any premie artists who did art for art's sake. I knew lots of people who painted and sketched; I did a comic stirp for our local newsletter, but I didn't see anyone paint just to paint. I remember those illustrations in AIID. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 02:25:57 (EST)
From: Barney Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: off topic - Van Gogh in LA Message: Does anyone know how to get tickets to the traveling (D.C. and LA) Van Gogh show in LA this January or February? Call me old fashioned and mainstream, but I just love the way he gobbed paint on canvas. Convulses my brain everytime. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 14:13:30 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Barney Subject: off topic - Van Gogh in LA Message: Barney, When I wanted to go to see Van Gogh in DC, I emailed the gallery there. What is the name of the gallery in LA again? If you know, post it please, for I want to email them and find out how to order tickets, too. Van Gogh is awesome and not at all old fashioned. Very modern Japanese businessmen pay in excess of 80 million for ONE piece of work. He is mainstream, but I think Van Gogh would be thrilled by that! He was always very depressed that his work was not getting shown or appreciated. He's my all time favourite. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 02:44:34 (EST)
From: Barney Email: None To: Joy Subject: Artists R. Gregory Walstrom? Message: Did you know Greg Walstrom? He claimed he was an artist and said he had something to do with the early days. When I met him in the 80's he was totally bongo, but quite amusing. By that time he was more of one of those unpaid destitute street and performance artists, the ones that copy strange stuff at Kinko's and plaster it around town. His best gig ever was in '84 where he plastered town with posters announcing the Young Republican Club or something like that and rented a hall and put up bunting and pictures cut from magazines of Reagan and Bush. He was very pro-Bush and was predicting a Bush presidency in '88. Nobody showed up other than me and some suits from the Republican party who came to check him out. Because at that time there was were no laws against pretending (Greg, you were kidding weren't you?) to be a Republican the honchos could do nothing. I believe that he was a person non-grata around the Maharaji Machine for many obvious reasons. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 10:53:57 (EST)
From: david m Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Premie artist Message: Hey guys .... Does anybody rememper Chris Ablondi..she did beautifull airbrush stuff she lived in LA..during the seventies..Iwent to high school with her here in Mich..I thought she did some stuff for one of the Shri Hans Productions co's.....dave Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 12:52:19 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Jennifer Boire : 1sexy Kabir Message: Well, yes, I do keep peaking over on ELK. So sue me. What can I say? Anyway, this morning there's a post from Jennifer Boire who I used to live with in the Ottawa ashram: Jennifer Boire Montreal, Canada My beloved I know I will not sleep alone tonight for I am calling out to you from this private place. When the mouth is silent the heart speaks you said, so I make some room in my heart for silence, open the door and seek the garden within, in bloom. I light the lamp in my chamber put on my best perfume. I will wait by the curtain. I will not sleep until dawn comes waiting for your feet at my door, beloved. Jennifer was so cute back then. A real dish. We used to sing together and, as you can see, she's kept her Kabirian chops up. Good work, Jen! Really, this is amazing. Jennifer, if you ever read this, you were one sharp cookie. Your involvement in this cult is a complete waste as far as I'm concerned. You know it, or at least you should know it. Once, when we were both living in Alberta ashrams (me in Calgary, Jennifer in Edmonton) all the Calgary premies went up to her town. We did some sort of stupid something in the park. Jeniffer was wearing a clown's outfit and it came to pass that, for some reason, I squeezed the balloon she used to amplify her already ample breasts. (I can't remember exactly how this went down. It was a long time ago.) Anyway, it just happened. Jennifer looked at me and said with not a little disdain, 'That's all you really want, isn't it?'. A very awkward moment for me. I felt like shit. All these years in the ashram and here some sister's seeing right through me. Maybe I didn't have the real stuff after all. YES, THAT'S ALL I REALLY WANTED! I was so starved for sex then. I'd spent my entire twenties getting no more than hugs and, in 1976, a few sisterly massages. I was 27 or 28 and had never properly kissed a breast! (I mean, who's counting the frantic, confused puppy years of adolescence?). Yes, Jennifer, that is what I wanted! More than satsang, more than a good seat at the video we watched that night. More even than a chance to sing my new devotional song at satsang. More than a hug, more than a walk with some understanding sister down by the river. More than darshan, more than realization. I wanted a little tittie, Jennifer. I just thought I should tell you you were, in the end, right. Anyway, good derivative Kabir stuff there. Are you going to enter it into the annual Premie Kabir Competition? I'd say you've got a chance judging from some of the mediocre shit I've seen over on the ELK site. Go for it. First prize is a complete set of barely-thumbed through Engineering texbooks with personal messages of love inscribed by Maharaji himself. Hey, call me, okay? Ha ha ha.. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 14:59:26 (EST)
From: Anon Email: None To: Jim Subject: Jennifer Boire : 1sexy Kabir Message: Jim Jennifer has a master's degree in poetry. she published her first book last year Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 19:55:20 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Anon Subject: Jennifer Boire : 1sexy Kabir Message: Jennifer has a master's degree in poetry. she published her first book last year Really? How'd you know? Tell me more. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 22:47:13 (EST)
From: shp Email: None To: Jim Subject: Jennifer Boire : 1sexy Kabir Message: hey jim, up until now, i would never have guessed that you were into a missionary movement... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 23:03:47 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: shp Subject: Jennifer Boire : 1sexy Kabir Message: hey jim, up until now, i would never have guessed that you were into a missionary movement... What'd ya mean? This isn't just a bad pun, is it? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 23:07:16 (EST)
From: shp Email: None To: Jim Subject: Jennifer Boire : 1sexy Kabir Message: This isn't just a bad pun, is it? why do ya have to even put a value judgement on my freaking puns? didn't ya crack even a grin? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 21:27:17 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Jim Subject: Jim, Alberta, Katrina Message: Jim, A truce, for a moment if you can. I wish I could remember her last name but I just posted about Katrina from Alberta who hick hicked to the premie farm I lived at in PA in 1979. She came with her black and white dog Suki. Did you know her by chance? She was blonde, long hair, I posted about her posing for Salvadore Dali as live art at his parties. Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 18:07:33 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Jim, Alberta, Katrina Message: Robyn, Truce? Come now. But no, I don't know Katrina. Not that I wouldn't have liked to, mind you. The only Katrina I knew was 'Kooka' Goshaluk, whose lively expressions help decorate ELK. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 22:38:05 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Jim Subject: Jim, Alberta, Katrina Message: Jim, Thanks Jim. I wish I'd run into someone I knew from back then and thought maybe.... Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 11:36:16 (EST)
From: eb Email: esherwood@ucsd.edu To: Everyone Subject: Christian Doctrine-OT Message: Good morning everyone, I offered to help my friend in Japan edit her term paper, but she sent me the following question: I am writing my report in Japanese, but I want to ask you a question. I am writing about Greek philosophy and Christianity. St. Augustine preached Christian doctrines at the Middle Ages. A part of them was preached by using Plato's theory of ideas. The first part of the Bible says that God created the heaven and the earth out of the void. This means everything in the world is created by something (God). Plato also thought everything in the world was created by something (the ideas). And then St. Augustine combined them and thought God created the world with the ideas in God. Can I say (or do you think) that Plato's theory of ideas still persists in Christianity through St. Augustine's doctrines? I'm really rusty on my Plato and didn't even know about this St. Augustine character. Any answers out there? eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 11:58:06 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: eb Subject: Christian Doctrine-OT Message: Actually, Platonic ideas were included in the theology of some of the earliest Church Fathers; Origen's (my hero) theology was full of Platonism. The discussion of philosophy required an understanding of Plato and to be included in the discussion, one had to use Platonic terms and definitions. St. Augustine was a teacher of rhetoric long before he became a priest and bishop, so he used Platonic ideas in his theology, too. At the age of 19, he was a Manichee, which was the scary cult of his time (sound familiar?). He also spent time as an astrologer. He left the Manichees, and, after meeting Ambrose, bishop of Milan, converted to Christianity. When he became bishop of Hippo, he fought with the Donatists, Manichees, and the Pelagians. His greatest worry was that people would be led astray. In answer to your friend's question, Platonic ideas are no longer the basis of Christian theology, but one must be familiar with them to understand the early Church Fathers. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 12:49:06 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Thanks Fadda Mickey! Message: Muchas gracias! eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:09:54 (EST)
From: Spare an opinion... Email: None To: Mickey Subject: for an old altar boy, Fadda? Message: Hey Mick, I came across this fascinating article and was wondering what the scholarly appraisal of it might be. I know this is your busy season, but if you have time the URL is: http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/holygrail.html Glad you got to Moma for the exhibit. Patty and I were there primarily for the Diebenkorn paintings, and the Calder art was a great bonus. See you next time. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 18:44:55 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Spare an opinion... Subject: for an old altar boy, Fadda? Message: Gerry and Mickey, Did I hear you two discussing The Five Gospels? I just ordered a book by the same author, I think it is called Honest To Jesus. (No jokes, Jim) Have either of you read it? If you don't want to talk about it here, email is ok. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 20:57:29 (EST)
From: Gerry Email: None To: VP Subject: for an old altar boy, Fadda? Message: hi VP Yes, we had a brief discussion about that book. I read some of it, and will probably get it out of the library again, I could not renew it as there were other requests for it. What's your book about? I'm finding that reading and understanding the historical Jesus is as liberating as deconstructing the gooroo. Always had that little voice in the back saying 'what if Jesus really was...' Did you read the link I provided in the above post? BTW I forgot to sign my name but it was indeed me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 23:53:26 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Gerry Subject: for an old altar boy, Fadda? Message: The description on Amazon.com said the book is a summary/overview about the Jesus Seminar. I think it's less in depth than the Five Gospels, but it is written by the same author. It's on order and should be here soon. I thought that was you above when I read the reference to Patty. I want to check out that link--but now to bed. Thanks. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 22:52:19 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: Spare an opinion... Subject: for an old altar boy, Fadda? Message: Sheesh, where ever did you find THAT site? Is it connected somehow with the Ramtha folks? There is a lot of information to digest, and I found some of it to be the regular mystical conspiracy stuff. I have a few questions regarding his interpretations of events; if the book of Jasper is so important, why is it missing from all collections of Hebrew scriptures? It's a little difficult to blame that on Xian Bishops. He gives the Church in Rome way more influence than they had in the Early Church; there were five Patriarchates: Rome, Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem, and Constantinople, and Rome was first among equals but did not call the shots. Rome called the shots in the West after 1054, but not before. He is attributing way too much power to that church. Also, he accuses Tertullian of being mysoginist, but Tertullian became a Montanist, a group with women prophets who were very much authorities in that church. His premise that the bloodlines of the Royal families of Europe were descendent from Jesus seems to be another way of approaching the Divine Right of Kings, something that I find very distasteful, although, since I am a descendent of the Stuarts (along with thousands of other people) I guess I'm related to Jesus! Maybe I am the real Perfect Master of the age! I tend to distrust histories based on esoteric, hidden, mystical sources. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 10:20:33 (EST)
From: gerry Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: for an old altar boy, Fadda? Message: The author was (is) a geneologist who has done a lot of work for royal families, tracing their roots. He was apparently invited to speak at the 'Ranch' inYelm (not far from me, btw) in response to his book. I don't think he has any other connection to the Rampsters (local colloquialism) other than that, but that's just my guess. They have guest lecturers there all the time. To me it was a fun speculation. I thought you might enjoy it and be able to cast a more scholarly light upon his rather outrageous claims. You certainly have done that. Thanks! It's great have a resident biblical scholar on board! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 11:16:39 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: for an old altar boy, Fadda? Message: Dear Mickey...., Yes, I am sure we designated you Perfect Master in the past, can't remember your exact title but then I am not into cults! :) Perfect Master and lollypop guild member, such lofty blood lines. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Dec 04, 1998 at 00:50:29 (EST)
From: dv Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: for an old altar boy, Fadda? Message: The Archbishop ran into the Pope's room and said: 'Pope, Pope! He's here!' The Pope said: 'Who?' 'Jesus! He's walking into the square! What do we do?' The Pope said: 'Look busy.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 09:54:39 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Hello, Nimrod Message: In case any of you missed this post down below, I'm bringing up top. It was written by 'Nimrod' and I believe it's his/her first post: 'The most significant of premie companies is Amtext located in Miami.This is a company that sponsors and trains premies to conduct faculty buying programs of complimentary desk copies of textbooks that are sent out by publishers to teachers at colleges and universities.These books are then shipped to wholesalers,the largest one being MBS Textbook Exchange in Columbia,Missouri,a company that is essentially a warehousing operation for the Barnes and Noble retail book chain. Amtext serves as the middleman,paying the book-buyers and then receiving it's payment from the wholsalers.M has met with the premie book buyers on several occasions over the years to thank them and give them gifts.M has been described at these gathrings as being 'the sole beneficial owner of Amtext,thus being the sole recipient of all its profits' by Chuck Nathan ,who is the top manager of the company on M's behalf.So its not M who really donates anything to this company-its the other way around. Intrestingly enough there are non premie book buyers who also work with Amtext but they are kept in the dark as to what the company is all about and have no idea whose wallet they're fattening.If you are wondering about the source of this information, I am an ex premie book buyer who attended an Amtext gathering at M's Malibu residence in May of 1996.I just discovered this web site earlier this evening.Its only been a few months since I flew over the coockoos nest. It hasn't been easy.I hope this has been informative and I greet you all.' Thanks for that answer, Nimrod. Boy, would I like to read YOUR journey entry (Story of your journey with Maharaji's world that you write and enter as part of the site.) Would you consider writing one sometime in the future? I believe that you can do them anonymously, BTW. VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 10:44:43 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: VP Subject: Hello, Nimrod Message: Dear VP and Nimrod, Thanks Veep, isn't it great that we can get the truth on this from someone whose been there. Thanks Nimrod, please pick a nicer name for yourself! Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 12:43:15 (EST)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Robyn Subject: A rose by any other name... Message: Thanks Nimrod, please pick a nicer name for yourself! Robyn, for all you know, Nimrod might be the name his mother picked out for him. I kind of like it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 00:20:58 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: Jerry Subject: A rose by any other name... Message: Hi Jerry, Thanks for your support for the name' Nimrod ' but what do you think of ' Flower '? And no, Nimrod is not what My mother called me. She called me other stuff in Yiddish, none of which I wish to translate,although if I did, it would certainly add quite abit of color to this exchange. Take care. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 00:00:02 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: jfb@netc.net To: Robyn Subject: Hello, Nimrod Message: Dear Robyn, Calling myself 'Nimrod' might seem a bit too self deprecating, but then again,its only been a few months since I left a world in which my sense of self was plenty depreciated,by the Grand Daddy of all users and abusers,and all his little users and abusers. On the other hand,you might not know that 'Nimrod' is an actual biblical figure, one of Noah's sons who according to the Old Testamant was a 'mighty hunter before the Lord.'Hey, that's nothing to sneeze at. Still again, since that is how I fancied myself during my Amtext days, as a mighty hunter of books bringing home the booty to my Lord, maybe I should take a cue from Jerry's message to you 'a rose by any other name,' and call myself 'Flower' the nickname of my favorite hockey player of all time-Guy Lafleur of the Montreal Canadiens.It might be time to start a new association.Let me know what you think. Thanks for your message Love, Nimrod(at least for the time being) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 00:44:27 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Nimrod Subject: Hello, Nimrod Message: Dear Nimrod, No I didn't know Nimrod was Noah's son. Weird. I wonder how it came to have a negative conotation? It makes sense now that you explain it but yes I think it is time for a new nickname! Anything you like, Flower is fine by me. My nickname in high school and then years later when I worked for the Army Corps was Robinski so who am I to judge! :) I am glad you found this site too. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 13:58:29 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Nimrod Subject: Guy-off topic Message: Guy LaFleur is awesome and one of my all time favorite players as well. Maybe you could be called 'Guy' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 11:49:57 (EST)
From: dv Email: None To: VP Subject: Hello, Nimrod Message: M was allegedly quoted as saying 'This house was built by Amtext.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 00:38:29 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: dv Subject: Hello, Nimrod Message: Could very well be. Certainly that's what the Amtext management team would tell the premie buyers to get them all revved up. Amtext premies are like a breed apart from the larger premie population, in that they feel superior to other premies, on the basis of all the money they can deliver to M, and he reinforces that by inviting them to these intimate gatherings or parties at his residence. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 00:38:28 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: dv Subject: Hello, Nimrod Message: Could very well be. Certainly that's what the Amtext management team would tell the premie buyers to get them all revved up. Amtext premies are like a breed apart from the larger premie population, in that they feel superior to other premies, on the basis of all the money they can deliver to M, and he reinforces that by inviting them to these intimate gatherings or parties at his residence. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 02:11:42 (EST)
From: Barney Email: None To: Nimrod Subject: superior & sucking up Message: Yeah, we (all of us from what ever little premie empires we were trying to build) all wanted to feel superior to those Bongo, out-there, do-nothing, good time, rainy day premies. And the goal was to get some kind of special invite to the Rez or some private darshan. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 18:02:27 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: VP Subject: Questions Message: VP, thanks for bringing Nimrod's post up on top. I think it's very interesting. If Nimrod is reading this, I have a few questions I hope he can answer. By the way Nimrod, I understand how hard it is to 'fly over the coockoos nest. Many of us have gone through similar things when we also 'flew.' I hops this forum can provide you with some support. 1. If Maharaji is the 'beneficial owner' of Amtext, and gets all of Amtext's profits personally, who is the legal owner of Amtext? I checked the Department of Corporations and it is listed as a Florida corporation. I guess the question is: Who owns the stock and who is on the Board of Directors? 2. How much are people paid to actually do the book-buying? Are they paid a salary or is it entirely commission or piece work? Are these workers employees of independent contractors? When you were a book-buyer, how much money did you make, say in a week or a month? When you were a book-buyer for Amtext, did you know how many book-buyers Amtext had accross the country? 3. When Maharaji has these 'thank you' parties for the people who work for Amtext, does he say HOW MUCH money he gets from Amtext every year? And what happens at these parties? Does he get plastered? 4. Is it true that Maharaji said that huge Malibu dream house he lives in was 'built by Amtext?' 5. If Amtext is giving all it's profits to Maharaji personally, how is that characterized? Is it a 'gift?' Is Maharaji paid a salary? I guess there is also a question as to whether Amtext and/or Maharaji has to pay income (corporate or personal) on the money. Has the IRS ever investigated Amtext, if you know? 6. Do you think if the non-premie book buyers knew the profits were going to Maharaji that they would still work for the company? I remember 15 years ago a lot of ashram premies were involved in the book-buying business, but it wasn't incorporated, it was just premies doing it and I recall most of the profits got donated to Maharaji and to his Boeing 707 plane project which was going on at the time. I think this must be why OP is so sensitive about Amtext and is always coming out of her imposed silence to whitewash and spin the whole business. It appears to be the central lynch-pin in Maharaji's finances. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 21:44:46 (EST)
From: x Email: None To: JW Subject: Questions Message: Those are some very good questions, JW. I hope Nimrod, or anyone else who knows any answers will be willing to reply. I also want to encourage chr to describe some of the situations he rationalized while he did security for bm. Isn't it ironic that Amtext is a broker for used books, since bm is basically selling himself as a broker to god, or enlightenment or whatever. I literally heard him say that 'You need me, but even I need... inferring that he has access to something we can only get to through him. A middleman. I agree that it sounds like Amtext is the lynchpin, so to speak of bm's financial empire. Remember when TD said that she had been told that bm made his riches from inventing things? I've also heard premies say things like 'm's a genius.' etc. What, may I ask, has that lardass ever invented? I mean he didnt even invent the rhadosami con game that's making him rich! He certainly didn't invent the stupid 'techniques', Neither did shri hans. Obviously bm's fantastically wealthy, where's the money come from? Probably Amtext, other sleazy, loose ethic businesses and primarily, straight up donations and gifts from rich(and poor) brainwashed suckers. If not, then where? Royalties from inventions? Don't make me laugh. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Tues, Dec 01, 1998 at 00:53:09 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: JW Subject: Questions-JW Message: Boy oh boy, do you know how to ask the million dollar questions.Some, I don't have answers for, but on others I have quite a bit to say.But its getting late for me,and I would really like to do your questions justice, so I will delay until tomorrow or the day after what I really don't feel like doing now. I'll answer you-I promise . Thanks and take care. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Dec 03, 1998 at 23:40:01 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: JW Subject: Some Amtext answers Message: Ok JW, let me give this a whirl and try to answer those questions that Ithink I at least have some answers for. Question 1:Yes, the key question there would be-'Who owns the stock and who is on the Board of Directors' and for that unfortunately, I don't have an answer Question 2:Book-buyers are paid on commision and the relationship to Amtext is that of an independant contractor or vendor supplier. Amtext has approximately 300 buyers that it works with .Of these approximately half are premies,the other half- non -premies.Approximately one third of the buyers work at it full time, the other two thirds -on a part time basis.The average income for a full-time buyer would today be around $35,000 and approximately $15,000 for a part timer.My own income while I was working with Amtext was $ 15,000.By the way I'm still book buyng , but now Iam dealing with a competitor to Amtext. Qiuestion 3:No M does not say how much he receives from Amtext every year, at least he didn't on the occasion I was there.But he did thank us, for(as he put it) 'giving me the means so that I can get over the power curve and have the freedom to get things done.'My guestimate is that Amtext brings in between $600,000 and $800,000 ayear to M. Sorry to disappoint you, but no M didn't get plastered at the party.When we arrived at the residence , we were fed sandwiches, pastries, and tea and punch, then Maharaji came and gave us each a gift.We were called up to M in the ascending order of the business volume that we had supplied Amtext in the previous twelve months, and we each received the same thing-a little pyramid shaped trophy with a watch embedded on one side and an inscription to us from Amtext on the other thanking us for our 'effort and achievement' .Those buyers who had been around for a while were then presented with 'lifetime achievement' awards which consisted of another trinket trophy and an autographed picture of M. After the presentation of the gifts which took place in the courtyard M went into the house for a glass of water perhaps(God forbid we should ever see him fulfilling such a basic bodily need -it would be so unsatguru like)or perhaps he needed to pee(the perfect lotus pee of course).He then returned to us and what followed was basically 'Maharaji,please give us darshan,please let us kiss your lotus feet...etc.etc.etc.'He didn't.But he did hang out with us for an hour answering the kind of questions tht we of course wouldn't bother asking him on these pages. Question 4:already answered in a previous reply to DV. Question 5:excellent question, but I really don't knoww how the money going to M is characterized.Nor do I know the extent to which the IRS may have looked at Amtext in the past or are doing so now. Question 6:Probably alot of the non premie buyers would continue doing business with Amtext if they knew the truth of the company, after all, business is business-but they would most certainly feel duped and their relationship with the Amtext Office would certainly become more strained.Then again for some of these non premie buyers the revelation of the M reality might prove too much to bear and they would probably look to direct a good chunk of their business if not all of it to a competitor company. Well there you have it JW ,some answers to your questions that pertained mostly to the nuts and bolts about Amtext.The only thing that remains to be dealt with here is the way the Amtext management team performs their head f**kery with the blessing of the perfect head f**ker himself.We'll save that for another post. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 23:12:44 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: VP Subject: Hello, Nimrod Message: Thank you VP for your very kind and warm reception to the Forum.You're right-it is my first posting-I just discovered this web-site last night and I couldn't resist sharing with you guys what I know about this premie company,specifically Amtext.Ijust couldn't obey the instructions at the beginning of the Forum,or at least the recommendation that people follow the Forum for a few days before submitting a posting,but then again if I was all that obedient,or such a great follower-I think you know where I would still be. I'm looking vey much forward to submitting my entry to the 'journeys' section.Ican't say for sure when that will be,but I feel that it will be an important part of my own recovery and well-being,both of which have received an incredible boost by the presence of this site and the support of all you guys.I thank you again. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 23:21:31 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Nimrod Subject: Hello, Nimrod Message: Dear Nimrod, I am so glad that yet another defuncked devotee has found this site for support. You will find lots of that here. Good luck. You know you did the right thing, getting away and here you will get to feeling better and stronger about your decision. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Nov 30, 1998 at 23:25:14 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Nimrod Subject: Glad you are here Message: That information WAS very interesting. Glad you went ahead and posted instead of waiting. There's lots of support for your recovery here. Feel free to say what you want to/need to. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
