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Forum III Archive # 34 | |
From: Dec 30, 1998 |
To: Jan 12, 1999 |
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Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 07:01:52 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Everyone Subject: David M Message: To All, I wasn't sure if or how to go about this but here it goes. David emailed me a couple days ago. His oldest daughter died and he is understandable going to be absent from the forum for awhile. He asked that I tell everyone which I felt funny doing at first but his last sentence keeps replaying in my mind. He said that he is sure he will need help from us eventually. This is why I am writing this now. Who knows when he will check in here but I thought it would be nice for him to find a thread of support to him whether it is in the active or inactive list. We are good at caring for each other and David needs our caring now. Thanks. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 07:03:57 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Robyn Subject: PS: David M Message: To all again, I forgot to mention that I know very few details and didn't relay them because I think that is not my call. I thought the main fact was enough. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 07:19:35 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: Robyn Subject: David M Message: This is very sad news. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 08:13:06 (EST)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Robyn Subject: David M Message: Thanks Robin, that's a hard one. Please send my love and best wishes to David. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 09:33:09 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Bobby Subject: to Bobby Message: Dear Bobby, I'd love to hear from you if you can. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 08:33:05 (EST)
From: Sir David Email: None To: Robyn Subject: David M Message: David M, you must be devastated. It's a bitter blow and I know how I would feel if I was in your place. Let's hope we can help one another at this sad time. I will say a prayer for you and your daughter. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 10:15:55 (EST)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Robyn Subject: David M Message: David, I'm sorry about the terrible loss of your daughter. I wish you all the strength you need to get through this. Best wishes, Jerry Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 18:38:33 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: david m Subject: David M Message: dear david m - I am so sorry that this has happened. I hope that you and your family are getting though it - it must be very hard for you. We are here for you if you need us. Love, Katie P.S. for anyone that knows david m and would like to correspond with him personally- his e-mail address is Whaler32@aol.com. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 23:15:39 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: David M Subject: David M Message: You seem like the sweetest guy in the world, I am so sorry to hear this news. You and your family are in my prayers tonight. Sincerely, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 01:16:57 (EST)
From: PT's Mom Email: None To: Everyone Subject: My baby does the hanky panky. Message: Oh my god, typing is hard. I will do my best. When your pushing 80, that's exercise enough! Anyone who can do at 80 what they did at 20 wasn't doing much at 20. At my age, all the numbers in my black book are doctors numbers! I started a 'good luck' policy by sending donations to fundraising groups that raise money for diseases I amost likely to get. I figure if I give, god will protect me from that particular ailment. So, when a letter arrived from the Alzhimers Foundation, I got out my checkbook to write a check but it was a thank you note for the $20 I gave two weeks ago! Just yesterday I was trying to follow a recipe and it said 'separate two eggs' and I was confused because it didn't say how far! But there some things I remember very well, and one is that honesty is absolutely essential and a barometer of a person's character. Only by being on the level can you climb to the highest place. A rich man ought to be an honest man, for he would be a double knave to cheat men when he had no need of it. It is better to be short of cash than short of character. My PT was at first just a zealous believer, innocent and frankly, confused. But, NOT a liar. There was a saying in my day, 'The best way to attain wisdom is to assume you don't already possess it.' My PT was filled to the brim with the unfortunate 'wisdom' that the lord god almighty was his guru maharaj ji. In this world there are only two ways of raising one's self: by one's own industry, or by the weakness of others. My PT, weakened by faith in something untrue, has born the fruit of pathological lying in the face of truth. Where the lie looks real and the truth is painted as a lie. It is the saddest state of a human. He who considers himself a paragon of wisdom is sure to commit some superlatively stupid acts. Much like the guru maharaj ji when he disowned his mother for 18 years till her death. Some men are born fools but others become so by practice. Perhaps the reason there is no fool like an old fool is that even that, too, takes practise. The vicious side effects of playing god are to be seen in my PT. The heavenly father sometimes has to knock down our props to restore our sanity Nice to meet you all. I need to rest my fingers. What is doubly sad is that my PT has faith, and is rewarded for that, but the false teacher has stolen that part, that belongs to god, and has ruined PT's life as a result. PT says, 'I enjoy posting here', enjoys fasehood and lying, denial and deciet. The best way to prove godliness, is by god-likeness. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 16:31:51 (EST)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: PT's Mom Subject: Dear Mom Message: Dear Mom, I really do enjoy posting here, but,you're right, I don't enjoy the falsehood and lying, the denial and deceit. But hey, its your web site you can behave as you like. Its just that when some one tells a real whopper I just can't resist pointing it out. Your son PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 22:55:37 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: 'real life' communication Message: Ever wonder, PT, what would happen if we ever met in person or even on the phone? CD called me New Year's eve and we talked for about 15 minutes. It was a pleasant enough chat. He seems likeable and fairly intelligent. I'm sure he'd say the same about me. But, I've got to tell you, this was the very first time in more than two years that I've ever had a responsive discussion with him. Ever. Sure, we didn't really get into the heart of any of the perennial issues here. We nibbled around the edges. It was his nickel, it was New Year's and his girlfriend was waiting to go out as was mine. We agreed to not try to resolve anything we haven't otherwise been able to all this time. Still, we talk a bit about m, a bit about the site, a bit about truth and a bit about music, San Diego and the like. We also talked about HOW Chris see's his own involvement here and why many of us have gotten so exasperated with him. The thing is, though, we TALKED about all this. I didn't feel the slightest frustration or disrespect for Chris. It was a conversation that never developed as fully as it might but, even as it was, it was more than I've ever seen Chris undertake with anyone. He was less guarded and presented, quite frankly, like a human being for a change. Not just some sort of bizzarro cult happy face. And why? To me the answer's pretty apparent: the medium. We were TALKING to each other. Here's an example. Chris said then, as he has many times here, that he doesn't put too much stock in words due to their 'ambiguous' nature ('vague'?). This time, though, I was able to respond immediately and point out that so long as there's some candour and good faith, a conversant can always hear where the other's going with whatever's been said and correct him when it becomes clear, as it invariably does, that there's been some sort of misunderstanding. That's just life and, as far as I know, this process works. People CAN talk with one another and communicate all sorts of things. Words work. Maybe not with a single expression but with the endless feedback possibilities of an honest discussion, they work. But my point is I was able to say all that to Chris and he was able to immediately process my point and reply. In fact, he agreed. For once, after all this time, I actually heard Chris tell someone (me, in fact) 'yeah, good point. I never thought of it that way.' Sorry, call me petty but that kind of stuff is encouraging. Especially when you think you might be talking with someone hiding behind an impenetrable smiley face. I can only surmise that Chris made that small concession and, more importantly, actually addressed what I was saying without glancing off in some oblique or superficial way because of the spontaneity and RELATIVE closeness of the medium. Here, unfortunately, Chris' track record is something else. Endless avoidance and obfuscation. Yeah, that's irritating. Who'd say otherwise? Now what, you ask, does this have to do with you? YOU'RE not like CD! God forbid, right? You discuss matters of all shapes and sizes, directly, quickly (although I noted that you did ignore a few posts from me. Whatever.). Your problem, though, PT, is that you're playing at being an incredible asshole here. I don't think you're really like that in real life. I couldn't imagine someone surviving in any sort of community of friends acting like you do and I'm assuming until I know otherwise that you actually have a few friends. But, like I say, I think you're just playing here. If we ever talked in person you could never sustain the unreasonable front you've entertained us with here from time to time. Take the m quote issue. Weren't you in on that with Mel? Or was that Another Premie? Shit, I can't remember. But whether you were part of that play or not, it's a perfect example of the same foolishness you grace us with. No reasonable person in the world should, would or ever could refute the fact that m passed himself off as divine. Yet, here we had a couple of premies pretending to do just that. I'm telling you that in 'real life' it's a lot harder to maintain such fakery, don't you think? So, you can say whatever you want. You could simply decide that you're never going to give an inch and will, for whatever reason, simply put people here through their paces. Get their blood pressure up or something. Like the Nazi's marching through Skokie, Illinois (a large community of concentration camp survivors), so long as you don't have to actually get down to the human level you can play whatever games you want. And, I have to admit, just like it's hard to avoid flaring up at CD's refusal to come here as a full human being, it's hard to keep our emotions in check regarding you too. Sure, no one knows who you are and you're probably having the time of your life doing this but remember, PT, you are, at heart, a VERY small person. I wonder, did Maharaji shrink you by chance? Is that what happened? Well, no point repeating myself. I just have to remember to keep my emotions in check, if I can, and not take you seriously. Yet I'm serious when I say that your role here, should you decide to keep playing it, is INVALUABLE. I might pay the price of feeling a little anger at first when I see the stupid, stupid, STUPID things you have to say but, after a few moments, I remind myself how salutory your example is of so-called 'spirituality'. m's spiritualty in particular. Love, Jim Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 23:36:10 (EST)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: Jim Subject: Thank you Jim Message: Dear Jim, Yes, what would it be like to meet in person? I suspect that, like me, you don't take all this too seriously. You've probably got a life like mine. I'm married, I have a 21 year old son, some wonderful friends, a great job etc etc. The only real difference is probably that I love the effect that practising Knowledge creates in my life. As for the forum, well I just can't resist having a bit of fun. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 08:07:55 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Not at all Message: I suspect that, like me, you don't take all this too seriously. PT, Whatever gave you that idea? I take this at least seriously enough to be able to discuss some of the nastier aspects of m's impact, then and now, sincerely. Really, man, I can't believe you'd say this. To think that you'd lurk, lurk, lurk and then finally chime in when people start talking about friends that took their own lives, only to try to throw them off with some absurdly callous and unrealistic arguments only to later say you weren't really serious..... I'm disgusted, quite frankly. You should be ashamed of yourself. You've probably got a life like mine. I'm married, I have a 21 year old son, some wonderful friends, a great job etc etc. If 'like yours' means I've got one, yeah, I guess you're right. I don't have my own son but I'm close with both my girlfriends' kids, Cam, 19, and Becky, 21. Maybe that's why I ask premies who I think are just playing us for fools here to take the 'kid challenge'. Here, I'll ask you. I dare you to show your son the threads you've been involved with here. Show HIM how you've argued. Better yet, put him in touch with me and I'll give him the tour. No unfair commentary, just a look at his own father's way of dealing with these issues. Game? The only real difference is probably that I love the effect that practising Knowledge creates in my life. That's ONE difference. How this attitude of yours makes you treat facts and other people is another. That's obvious. As for the forum, well I just can't resist having a bit of fun. Cute. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 11:25:38 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Passin' Thru Subject: Having fun? Message: When you said you didn't care about the feelings of a suicide victim's family, were you having fun? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 16:15:00 (EST)
From: Mike Email: None To: VP Subject: Nah, just detached.... Message: VP: You know PT's just detached..... You know: doesn't care about the pain of others, unconcerned about the pain of others, indifferent to the pain of others, insensitive to the pain of others, detached.... OR IS IT APATHETIC (or just pathetic) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 17:30:33 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Mike Subject: detatched, apathetic, pathetic Message: or sociopathic? Like the Master... Thanks for clearing that up, Mike. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jan 07, 1999 at 00:20:16 (EST)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: Mike Subject: Take care Mike.... Message: Dear Mike, Like so many of the posters here, you don't pay attention and therefore you don't understand and because you don't understand you make the same mistakes over and over again. And then you have to find someone to blame. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jan 07, 1999 at 10:32:50 (EST)
From: Mike Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: What mistakes? Message: PT: BE SPECIFIC... To which mistakes do you refer? I see NO mistake in my analysis of your basic mindset. I see no caring, I see no effort to care, in anything that you have said to ANYONE at this site. Your callous remarks concerning the suicide issue are more than ample proof of your apathy. So where's my mistake? Especially interested in the mistake that I keep repeating, BTW! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jan 07, 1999 at 00:15:54 (EST)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: VP Subject: Having truth VP? Message: Dear VP, I think what I said was, I don't care what they think. There is a difference. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jan 07, 1999 at 10:30:05 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Having truth VP? Message: I just found this--after I posted a new thread to you above. You are right. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jan 07, 1999 at 00:12:48 (EST)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: Jim Subject: Lighten up Jim.. Message: Dear Jim, This web site is just one of thousands of 'anti' sites on the web. Anti dancing, anti breastfeeding, anti rock and roll, anti black, anti jew, anti arab, anti anything you can think of. They have nothing in common except the desire to get together and bitch. That you are anti someone who teaches a way of discovering what is happening within, that tens of thousands of people enjoy everyday, is hardly a serious issue. Accept that Knowledge is unable to overcome death, stupidity and laziness and move on to something that does. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jan 07, 1999 at 05:12:53 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: Pissing thru Subject: You're living proof, man. Message: I believe I can safely say that I've come to In fact after getting to know you a little, PT, I have no more doubts. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jan 07, 1999 at 05:50:19 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: Pissing thru Subject: You're living proof...correct. Message: Man, will I ever be previewing my posts fom now on!Last post was supposed to read as follows; ' I believe that I've come to accept that Knowledge cannot overcome 'death, stupidity, and laziness', just as you put it, PT. In fact, after getting to know you a little,PT, I have no more doubts.' But perhaps I INDEED have come to stupidity and laziness myself, just in talking to you, PT. You're hard to take man, but I guess you know that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jan 07, 1999 at 07:14:46 (EST)
From: spread THIS knowledge Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Lighten up Jim.. Message: Maybe we can make you feel that it is a serious issue. The impact of this site can be broadened. And will be. We are not lazy OR stupid. Thanks for the inspiration. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 16:43:24 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Thank you Jim Message: PT wrote to Jim: I suspect that, like me, you don't take all this too seriously. You must be joking, PT. I come here for entertainment and support, but Jim's on a Mission. eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jan 07, 1999 at 00:23:41 (EST)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: eb Subject: Thank you eb Message: Dear eb, Thankyou for the correction. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 15:57:03 (EST)
From: Selene Email: None To: Everyone Subject: new quote for a new year Message: Overheard on X Files last night: Mulder to a turbaned cult guy: 'For a holy man, you've got quite a knack for pissing people off' way to go fox .... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 17:35:22 (EST)
From: chr Email: None To: Selene Subject: To Nimrod,dv and others Message: Talking about pissing people off-when I was around M off and on in the late 70s,early 80s the most difficult aspect was the unpredictability of his moods.One day he could be light and jovial,the next,angry,sullen and irritable.You never quite knew whether you had pleased him or inconvenienced him.Consequently everyone always felt like they were walking on eggshells around him.It was like the codependent relationship from hell.Most of us thought that he was doing this for us-confronting our minds and egos.In hindsight,he was probably just being an egomaniacal prima donna.My question to those who have been around him more recently is: has he changed at all since those strange days of the 707?Has he grown or learnt anything about dealing with others?Is it still the same for those around him? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 01:00:45 (EST)
From: Premmey Email: None To: chr Subject: To Nimrod,dv and others Message: I heard one 'devotee,' who spent a lot of time around the former Guru Mahararj Ji, the former Lord of the Universe, describe Maharaji's personality as 'cancerous.' Somehow I didn't think that was a compliment. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 19:07:11 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: Premmey & chr Subject: To Nimrod,dv and others Message: 'Cancerous' personality and 'egomaniacal prima donna'Wow!! Has M changed recently? I suppose the people to ask ,would be the ones who are around him on a regular basis.When I was at the res for the Amtext party of May 96,the setting was very much 'controlled' and M was on his best behavior...almost exquisitely charming.He really can't give anybody any crap there, because thre's so much dissension and bitterness that goes on amongst Amtext premies, that at these gatherings, M knows he has to play the role of 'beautiful master' the one who makes all the headfuckery worthwhile.He wants his premie bookbuyers to feel that they are special to him,important, and loved by him.That way they'll be ready for another round of headfuckery, by Chuck Nathan, the Brogans, and the Amtext office. But judging from statements he has made in his talks around the world recently, I don't really see any significant change. How are these for a couple of 'cancerous' statements coming from our beloved 'egomaniacal prima donna ' A few years back I heard M say the following in a video: 'people sometimes come to me and they complain that people are playing with their heads.All I can say is, maybe people are playing with your head because its so big! Maybe, if you didn't have such a big head, people wouldn't play with it!!' Or the famous 'priciples' quote from just last May98: 'You want to hold on to your priciples? I'll tell you what's going to happen.Your ship's going to sink! You want to hold on to your principles? I'll tell you what's going to happen.You're going to die!!' If this represents change on M's part, then its the type of change of which we can truly say as the French do: 'plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose' Translation: the more things change, the more they stay the same. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 00:01:45 (EST)
From: dv Email: None To: Nimrod Subject: To Nimrod,dv and others Message: Go to a program, do service, observe the pams- they are a direct reflection of his attitude- some suceeding more than others. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jan 07, 1999 at 00:07:12 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: dv Subject: Is Michael Paragon still Message: around? Karen Stone? Elliot Brye? Cathy Siddik? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jan 07, 1999 at 15:48:08 (EST)
From: dv Email: None To: Gail Subject: Is Michael Paragon still Message: I think Michael is, I don't know about the rest, I left the residence scene around 1983. The last program I attended was Miami 1988, I didn't see Kathy there. I haven't tapped into the graprvine in so long I don't know who has gone to hell and who is still ? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 12:24:35 (EST)
From: dv Email: None To: chr Subject: To Nimrod,dv and others Message: He lambasted me once for loading one of his chairs on to a truck- said: 'Count on some spacey premie to lose my chair.' Steve Braband later come out and told me I had loaded the correct chair. I guess after a while you get used to it... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 17:50:55 (EST)
From: chr Email: None To: dv Subject: To Nimrod,dv and others Message: Well,at least he spoke to you.Most of the time he just stared right past me.I mean,what was I supposed to do-fold my hands in supplication?stare back?say hi? say pranam Maharaji?One time I actually tried to strike up a conversation,but he turned around and walked the other way. I got to help him with Hansi with a kite once and he almost seemed normal then.I know one guy who lived at one of M's residences for 10 years and apart from a wave every now and then he was virtually ignored.I saw him in 1991 after he had left and he was confused and angry.He had nothing after nearly 20 years of serving M.I had been through the whole thing a few years before so I was able to help him see that perhaps M wasnt who he said he was.This premie was blaming himself and one particular premie at the residence for all his problems.Actually the premie he was blaming was a real snake in the grass--he was also one of Ms favourites.It seems to me that the closer one got to M ,the more normal standards and ethics were thrown out the window.I suspect thats why many of the big names around M havnt spoken up-they all have things they did that they now feel very uncomfortable about.Around M you get taken to a very weird place.Apart from lack of sleep which stops you thinking clearly,you end up viewing the world in a very strange way.Basically you lose yourself and your integrity. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 23:09:28 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: chr Subject: To Nimrod,dv and others Message: This is a very interesting thread and very creepy stuff to think about. It frightens me to think about the total de-railment of a human life. Remember how Maharaji used to go on about how we are the 'crown of creation' and how realizing knowledge is the whole purpose of this human life? I wish those 'reform' premies (in contrast with the 'orthodox premies' of yesteryear) who keep a distance between themselves and GM could read what those of you who have had a lot of contact with him have to say. Thanks for providing those glimpses into the weird and twisted lives of PAMS and of the GUru himself. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 00:07:57 (EST)
From: dv Email: None To: Helen Subject: To Nimrod,dv and others Message: Yeah, it's rather traumatic when the Lord of The Universe acts like your boss. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 00:04:33 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Happy birthday, Helen! (January 4, for all in different time zones.) Thanks so much for all your contributions to the forum - you have really given a lot. I hope you have a wonderful birthday, and much happiness and good health in the coming year, and, of course, many happy returns! Lots of love, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 00:16:15 (EST)
From: shp Email: None To: Helen Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: It is 12:07 am, so it is officially your birthday. Happy Birthday, Helen! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 18:35:14 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: shp Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Have you been burning the midnight oil, shp. Just watch out for that Danish likker you like, it makes ya feisty, brother (; I'm having me a great b'day with the many blessings in my life. Hope you're well, I really do care about you even though I get a little ornery with ya. Love, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 01:00:07 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: Helen Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Happy Birthday Helen, may the coming year be one of happiness for you and your family. Thanks for your posts on this site and your insights. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 18:32:00 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Thank you, Mickey, I respect you very much, and one day I would like to talk about theology with you. Congrats on your new position, it sounds like it suits you and moreover, it's what you wanted. Sincerely, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 02:17:43 (EST)
From: peter Email: None To: helen Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Glad you're here and made it through another year. You keep this place hoppin', now that's some high cotton. Forward hey! Love, Peter Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 18:29:51 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: peter Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Boy, I'm having trouble posting properly tonight. I just wrote you a long post and it disappeared. Must be those doobies I smoked after reading all the depressive posts about death below. Ha ha When you wrote about the cotton being high, I immediately thought of the song 'SUmmertime' by George Gershwin... 'fish are jumpin', and the cotton is high'. That song is on the tape I made for you & Katie. Hey are you the Minnesota guy who was getting fresh with Minnesota housewife in a post below? here's to many more years for all of us, discovering our own truths, and laughing, crying, having fun, disagreeing and generally living (and hopefully enjoying) our lives Love, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 05:00:10 (EST)
From: Sir David Email: David.Studio57@btinternet.com To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Yep, have a good birthday you old Capricornian goat you. It's always good to have another unashamed believer in the Almighty on the forum. By the way, I believe you are a teacher. I'm starting a bit of (unpaid) amateur teaching this week at my children's local school so I might require a few hints and tips from from you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 06:19:34 (EST)
From: TD Email: None To: Helen Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Have a great one Helen! Thanks for all your luscious (had to think of a new word) posting and associated energy and attitude over the past few months! love, TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 06:45:54 (EST)
From: TD Email: None To: JW Subject: And a belated HB to JW too! Message: And ditto to you to JW. Sorry I missed it, but must concur with all the other luscious compliments exes bestowed on you in the inactive index! Hope it was tres grand! love, TD Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 18:02:57 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: TD Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Thanks TD, you're pretty luscious yourself, you redheaded pistol you. I'm looking forward to reading more of your passionate posts. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 18:18:09 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Sir David Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: I just wrote you a long post & it disappeared!! Whaaa!! Basically what it said was to go to your child's school wearing your cheesehat and lance and tell them a story about the Vikings. They will love you!! Yes, I still believe that the spiritual side of life is very important. No matter what, I am immensely grateful to be alive, the alternative is to be dead, so I'm very grateful to still be here. I have really good friends, a husband I adore, a bright and happy kid, and food on the table and a roof over our heads. I have music, good books, and a strong body (yes, arthritic and all). So I have nothing to complain about, my eyes can see, my legs can walk, I have a job, etc. SO what can I say but life is GOOD, man, and I'm one lucky punk. I think you're grander than grand by the way Love, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 07:46:13 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Dear Helen, I hope you have a wonderful day to mark your birthday! It has been good getting to know you. I look forward to getting to know you more in the year to come. Love ya, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 18:00:33 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Thank you, Robyn. I am actually having a great birthday so far. It has been great getting to know you better too. Maybe we can have an east coast ex-premie party and we can all meet sometime. It's so cold here tonight, I know you are freezing your tuchas off up there Love, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 09:56:33 (EST)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Happy birthday, Helen. It's been a pleasure meeting you here on the forum. I look forward to hearing more from you. Wishing you and your's the happiest, Jerry Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 17:52:30 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Jerry, Soon as I get to the post office I'll be mailing you that tape. Jeez, do you see a pattern of procastination here???? I'm having a great b'day, or at least I WAS 'til all this talk of oblivion and death.sniff sniff. Oh well, guess I'll just forget about it and go have a manicure and a facial and get me a new outfit at the mall, like you know, whatever!! Love , Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 10:47:21 (EST)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Helen Subject: I'm sorry, Helen Message: Here I was trying to be Mister Funny Guy with my wry sense of humor and all I did was bum you out on your birthday, (boo-hoo, boo-hoo). Well, I hope you went right out and gratified yourself to your hearts content and forgot about stupid me and my wretched sense of humor. But since your birthday's past, let me just say that.... I REALLY THINK BIRTHDAYS SUCK! (hee heee hee)... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 10:10:19 (EST)
From: John Email: None To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: So this is cause for celebration?! One year closer to the final disappearing act that we all must perform? Birthdays are such a recurring bummer, I mean they celebrate our own ego-ness, our own specific limited existence which is of course meaningless and pointless and filled with ego dreams of greatness doomed for failure in the dark kerouacian night of the st. john of the cross soul. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 11:06:55 (EST)
From: Jerry Email: None To: John Subject: Hey, Mr. Cheerful Message: I feel the same way. What is a birthday really but just another step closer to oblivion? You run and you run to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking. Shorter of breath and one day closer to death Who needs them? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 12:22:21 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: Helen Subject: Hapyy Birthday! Message: Have a good one! I've got to run back to school. I'm glad to have something to do again. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 13:34:35 (EST)
From: RT Email: ommm To: Helen of Joy Subject: Happy Birthday!? > Your gift: Message: In honor of your contribution to the furtherment of Understanding, Wisdom and Common Sense, you are hereby awarded this Glow-In-The-Dark Light T shirt from Ex-Premies.org. Made in Amaroo by Rapper Baptists, it is 100% BeCotten by the Virgin Fleece. It's got down under! Both sides of the garment are visible when worn. The front reads in 3' high blue Sansrit font: 'I SPENT YEARS IN A CULT AND ALL I HAVE TO SHOW FOR IT IS THIS VIBRATION!' the back reads: 'JUST SAY KNOW' Happy Birthday, Helen of Joy! Your gift will arrive sometime in the next millennium. RT PS: what size are you? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 17:27:06 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: RT Subject: Happy Birthday!? > Your gift: Message: Are you 'having me on' there big fellow? 'Cause I would proudly wear the shirt!!! And I would answer people's questions about it!! I think a lot of us here would!! Thanks for the laughs. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 18:18:14 (EST)
From: RT Email: OMMM To: Helen Subject: Happy Birthday! Yep. Your gift Message: A handsome simulfax copy of your t shirt has been sent to Elan Vital for registration. Once the webmaster sees it, you may indeed receive a shirt. Or a shirk. ...really, once KT/Brain sees it we will start production. One at a time, just like Speading Knowledge. RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 17:46:56 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Gail Subject: Hapyy Birthday! Message: Gail, someday I want to hear more about your teaching career. Girl, I admire teachers so much. I kinda burned out on it. What grade do you teach? How the hell do you keep it up--I think it's a demanding profession (tho very fulfilling) How the hell did you teach and also follow GM around to festivals?? Tell all. Love, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 14:09:17 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Jerry Subject: My but aren't we the happy lot Message: Personally, I like the 'one year closer to oblivion' celebration. I also read the obituaries first thing every morning. Happy birthday Helen. And a belated happy birthday to JW. With love, eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 17:43:26 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: eb Subject: My but aren't we the happy lot Message: Thanks eb. I'm still waiting to hear more about getting in touch with my inner slut. My husband's waiting too (ha ha) I swear y'all with your oblivion talk is seriously getting me depressed. Man. I think I'll smoke me a couple a doobies now and listen to old Joni Mitchell records... NOT!!! Love, Hellion Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 18:50:13 (EST)
From: eb Email: None To: Helen Subject: I was almost finished... Message: but it's easy to sidetrack a slut. The healing process is much longer than I thought it would be... even longer than getting over being hoodwinked by a gooroo. Excuse me while I remove the jewel from my lotus. Namaste, eb Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 15:52:21 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: eb Subject: eb, you crack me up-(nt) Message: nt Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 17:22:31 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: John Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Ha HA! We're all dust in the wind, man! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 14:00:56 (EST)
From: Selene Email: None To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Yes, I hope your day is wonderful. I am in la la land, NOT LA, just back to work after a wonderful vacation, so I'll make this short. Just wanted to add to what all have said, you came on strong and kept it up. Love your posts. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 17:32:55 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Selene Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Thanks Selene. I meant to post you about singing 'Close to You' by the Carpenters to your grandson. HA HA, that cracked me up somehow. DId you ever see the film 'Parenthood' when Rick Moranis sings that to his wife (in front of the class she's teaching). It's pretty funny. Thanks for your good wishes & supportive words. I am having a great b'day. Love, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 16:22:36 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Helen Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Helen, Happy Birthday. I hope that someone else will pick up all those small Barbie pieces for you today-(snicker) I enjoy reading your posts, VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 17:39:53 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: VP Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Hey Veep, I always enjoy reading your posts, too. You are Mr. Clarity to me. (Probably 'cause you never received knowledge and had all that pressure to 'act enlightened at all times') My daughter got 'Cool Looks Fashion Designer CD Rom' so she's designing Barbie clothes right & left. I swear I'm gonna start a punk band called 'Blame it on Barbie' I never was into Barbie as a child but I edited an article about a study that showed that Barbie doll play actually enhances imaginative play more than baby doll play (say it 10 times fast). Perhaps this study was funded by Mattel...hmmm, I'll have to read the small print. Heck, anyway it's just my karma to have a girlie-girl type of daughter. I love her tons, though Thanks for the b'day wishes, Happy New Year to ya, Veep Love, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 18:41:40 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: To the Divine Ms. K Thank you for your friendship and for all you do on the forum. I literally don't know HOW you do it all but you bring people together with your level-headedness and compassionate spirit. I am meeting a dog named Misha (a rescued dog) this week. Wasn't that your name when you were ' GM's girl'? I figure this must be a sign or something (does God in all His glory care that one Helen Clark is very very concerned to have a new doggie? Does God care about stuff like this)??? (; Love, helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 18:18:13 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Helen Subject: Misha/Mischa Message: Hi Helen - Thank you for saying those nice things about me - sheesh, I'm blushing! I hope it was a good birthday. At least you're a bit younger than most of the people on this site!! Ha! You're right that 'Mischa' was my hippie name. I used it from around 1970 till 1980, then it just got to be too much of a hassle. I had another friend who changed her name to 'Starshine' though, so it could have been worse :) Anyway, when I was called Mischa, at least 20 people told me that they had dogs named Misha! Another good reason to start using my real name again. I do think it's a good name for a dog or cat. I hope this Misha-dog works out for you - sounds promising. Lots of love, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 22:41:04 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Katie Subject: Misha/Mischa Message: I knew someone named California Redwood Forest--no fooling. Did you know someone named Karma from the DC days?. She was another real good premie person I knew in DC. ALso, a guy named Hugh and a woman named Debbie. They all worked at that hippie restaurant called 'Yes' where I worked. There was a meditation hut there where everyone used to blow dope (everyone except those 'goody-goody' premies). I used to be 'Nellie': from the time I was about 14 to about 25. A good name for a grandma or a horse. My Ananda Marga nun friend gave me the name 'Dusami' as my spiritual hindu groovy name but I was too self-conscious to change my name that way. Too radical, man. Did a lot of folks on the forum get groovy hippie Hindu names when they became premies?? I'd get a kick out of hearing them. I'm meeting the doggie tomorrow. I'll em ya about it. Love, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 23:01:54 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Helen Subject: Misha/Mischa Message: Hi Helen - I knew Karma (if her last name was Dopp and she was blond. Her mother actually named her Karma, believe it or not). I also knew her brother (Willow's first daughter's father) and sister. Karma was a nice person - I didn't know her siblings that well. I knew several people named Debbie (it's our age, I think). Do you know her last name? I think it's funny that you worked at 'Yes'. I used to go to that bookstore all the time - only after I was a premie. I liked it because they would let you sit in there for hours and read the books without having to buy them (prevented a lot of shoplifting). I don't think I ever ate there - our favorite vegetarian restaurant when we were premies was 'The Golden Temple', which was run by the Yogi Bhajan people. Hope that you and the dog like each other :) Love, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 19:06:06 (EST)
From: JW Email: None To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Yes, Helen, have a great birthday! Treat yourself to some Nanci Griffith music. Do something that REALLY helps you to ENJOYLIFE!! I think that's what this forum is all about. Celebrating the enjoyment of life that comes from life's simple enjoyments, that you get to see by clearing away the delusions of a destructive cult. I really enjoy your posts Helen. So glad to have 'met' you in cyberspace. Joe Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 00:08:44 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: JW Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Thanks so much Joe. I guess my birthday is officially over. I got half a dozen big fat roses from my husband and then he, our daughter and I played board games, and we got lots of em's and phone calls and ate birthday cake. And I am blissed out on the love of my friends and family and of course, my new cyber-community. Discovering this website has been a 'healing' experience for me (that, like 'love' is another overused word, but it means to me--being restored to myself--and being able to be myself.) Heard some good music by 'The Bitchin' Babes' today--have you heard them? Thank you for your drive to be honest, it's an inspiration to me, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 21:27:36 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: Katie Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Helen, I've really enjoyed hanging out with you here these past many months. Now, if you've noticed, there's a recent article on the neuroscintifiblulation cycles in the upper chamber quack quack quack right brain quack quack quack left brain that's REALLY fascinating. I might even read this one myself! Really, glad to know you. Hope your day's a great one. Jim Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 00:18:26 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Jim Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: That's so funny, Jim! I honestly don't know why I'm so resistant to this brain science stuff. I sent an em to Nigel trying to explain it but it probably sounded pretty lame. Some mumbo-jumbo about how women are generally more open to faith experiences and the cycles of nature and less likely to analyze things to death...then again, that could really be taken the wrong way and I'd hate for some man to tell me that women have less of a capacity to analyze things than men..Maybe I'm just a wee bit threatened by it 'cause I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT!! Yeah, that's it! I've really enjoyed getting to know you, too. I guess it's not my birthday anymore, so the Queen for a Day routine has got to stop, but it sure is nice being pampered a bit (okay I'll admit it, I'm a total narcissist and I love all the attention). Love, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 03:12:05 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: Helen Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Yes, a very happy birthday to you. I, too, enjoy your posts here. They are very right-on and honest. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 13:02:05 (EST)
From: RT Email: ommm To: Helen Subject: Happy Belated Birthday, Helen! Message: OK! let's start this ALL OVER and wish Helen a Belated Birthday! RT, the wise guy Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 16:23:39 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: barney Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Thanks, Barn. I enjoy your posts, too. I can tell you're having fun with the ex-devotees of the guru formerly known as Lord (I just call him $ for short) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 19:52:40 (EST)
From: Runamok Email: None To: Helen Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: Happy birthday Helen and thanks for the good company.. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 22:45:19 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Runamok Subject: Thanks Runamok Message: I'm kinda fried tonight from my PTA and Girl Scout responsibilities and general parenting duties. I want it to be my birthday again!!! (whine whine) Oh well, life goes on--thanks for the good wishes!! I really enjoy your posts (tho I sure do have to put on my thinking cap when I read them) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 23:27:05 (EST)
From: x Email: None To: Helen Subject: Happy Birthday, Helen!! Message: I might as well join the party and wish you a happy birthday too, although a day late, but you know what they say about leaving the best for last, right?. I enjoy your posts and I'm glad you take the time to contribute here. Best Wishes, x Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 23:34:27 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: x Subject: Paiit Labelle's 'X' Message: Thanks, the mysterious x. Time reading & posting here is time well-spent, IMO. Have you ever seen Patti Labelle sing 'I love my X' on Sesame Street? She literally is singing to the letter X. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 15:42:08 (EST)
From: chr Email: None To: Everyone Subject: christmas Message: Happy Christmas and New Year to everyone.Its been a couple of weeks since I browsed this site.I've been having a lovely,quiet Christmas and New Year break with my wife and children. I realised that I have no recollection of christmas in the ashram.During the three years that I spent in the U.S.,I obviously didnt see my family,but I also have no idea what happened over the other six years.My parents came to see me once after christmas and I remember that they were very surprised that fully grown adults were sharing rooms.My father also kept asking why there were no books in the house.Its a wonder our brains didnt completely atrophy. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 19:25:57 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: chr Subject: christmas Message: Dear Chr, Happy New Year! Glad you had a nice holiday. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 23:26:45 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: chr Subject: christmas Message: Merry Christmas and New Year's back at you, chr. Yes, like you, few memories are coherently stored in my brain from my knowledge days. I just buzzed around from event to event back then, Lansing, Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit--they all were the same--one big blur. Your poor parents probably were worried sick about you when they visited you in the ashram. The 'no books' thing was one of the reasons I never could have lived in the ashram. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 16:48:34 (EST)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Helen Subject: books Message: Just for the record I lived in the ashram and had plenty of books. In fact, I had a special bookstore constructed by the Divine Carpenters as part of Divine Sales. I was in a so-called ashram in 72 (before the codified ashram rules) and in a more formal setting in New York City and Philadelphia in 73-74. My bookstore was a part of Divine Sales in New York. Got some really good donations that passed through the store and did a lot of reading, especially after the Millenium. I realize that the ashram subsequently went through a few revolutions and 'evolved' to places where the books would not be welcome. I always was a big reader and I know premies that were readers then and are now. Of course I wasn't the great devotee that some others on this forum probably were. YMMV (your mileage may vary). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 23:42:25 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Bobby Subject: books Message: Well, that's good to know. Wasn't there little time though in the ashram to lay around and read? I mean the whole act of laying around and absorbing oneself in a a great book seems antithetical to satsang, service, and meditation. I mean could you have told some sister/brother, who was telling you it was meditation time 'bite me, I'm reading a great book and want to lay around all day reading it.' Was your time your own? Did you have privacy? Questions from the outside from one of the 'uncloistered ones'. Reminds me of a great novel about nuns by Rumer Godden (about cloistered nuns) How ya feeling, bobby? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 07:22:25 (EST)
From: Bobby Email: None To: Helen Subject: books Message: It was my service to work for Divine Sales. I kind of crafted me a little hole in the great Divine Sales works to continue what I loved -- reading. The ashram in those days was flush with all sorts of folks. We were all heady circa 73 with the rush of Millenium fever. We brought own individual trips, plus a lot of heart. I think perhaps the post-Millenium crash put a lot of that special headiness to an end. The community morphed. I had my bookstore in the back of the Divine Sales on Second Avenue off St. Marks place, the heart of the East Village in New York City. Some really interesting characters and locals would come by. Some were regulars and we'd hang out together for a kind of enclave character cafe. I became good friends with a few. For a short time, in early '74, I would have weekly special programs. I set up chairs in the back near my little office and had speakers come in. Once or twice it was satsang. Jagdeo came to speak once. Raymond and I spoke about astrology. A premie sister came to speak about women's issues. I really began getting into beat literature at that time. In Spring of 74 I almost left the ashram. Then I transferred to Philadelphia. I actually left the ashram, moved into a premie house, and started working in a state mental hospital in late summer of '74. I saw my work with mentally ill as my real service (and I still do today). ------------------------------------------ These days are rather tough for me. I'm very hopeful about gene replacement therapy that may be available to me as part of a clinical trial. I don't want the radiation unless it seems I absolutely need to to stay alive. Cancer for me is complex and involves a great deal of emotional, mental and spiritual interaction. I try to deal with it and the other problems in my life as best I can. Thanks for asking. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 22:26:33 (EST)
From: peter Email: None To: Everyone Subject: excellent analysis, PT! Message: This is from one of PT's posts in the 'Premie Suicides' thread that is about to go under: Is the proportion of suicides higher? [among premies] ... If it is, I would suggest that it is for the same reason that hospitals are the most dangerous buildings in the world. PT Hospitals are dangerous because you get sicknesses when you go there that you would NOT have gotten if you didn't go there. And PT is suggesting that premie suicide rates were high for the same reason...they got sicknesses going to Maharaji that they wouldn't have gotten if they hadn't gone to him. Makes sense to me. Bravo, PT! At last, a nice bit of clear thinking from you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 22:43:55 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: peter Subject: excellent analysis, PT! Message: Both Katie & I couldn't figure out what that hospital thing was all about! Thanks for elucidating us. Peter! I have been trying to em you & Katie--is your mailbox full? My em's keep coming back. Maybe my brain is addled and I've been eming to the wrong address. Anyway, happy new year to you both. Love, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 00:24:14 (EST)
From: Katie Email: petkat@mail.trib.net To: Helen Subject: email (ot) Message: Hiya Helen - I'm getting mail, so can't figure out why yours is bouncing. [A common error is that people type 'petcat' instead of 'petkat' (understandable). Or it could just be our ISP.] Anyway, I'll try and em you tonight or tomorrow to see if it goes through. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 04:07:08 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: peter Subject: PT understands the danger! Message: Bad example or a Freudian slip! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 20:25:20 (EST)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: peter Subject: Nice try Peter.. Message: Dear Peter, People go to hospitals because they are already sick. People start looking for something because they already experience a feeling of loss. Before I received Knowledge I was disatisfied and disillusioned, Had I not found Knowledge I have no doubt that my disillusionment would have become even more severe with possible tragic consequences. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 23:16:05 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Nice try Peter.. Message: Well , good for you that you're so happy. If you're so damn happy why are you wasting your time hanging out here? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 23:51:55 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: Helen Subject: It's his serve-us or Message: he is trying to save our souls by needling us to submission. As Guru Corey Hart once said (and we should have listened), 'Never Surrender!' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 04:10:02 (EST)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: Gail Subject: Give in Gail Message: Dear Gail, Keep your soul, I'm just irresistably drawn to argue against what I know to be untrue. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 04:06:43 (EST)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: Helen Subject: Happy Message: Dear Helen, I enjoy my correspondance with this site. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 09:59:37 (EST)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Happy Message: I enjoy my correspondance with this site. You enjoy being called an asshole, being told to go fuck yourself, fuck you slimeball, and all the other pleasantries that come your way? You are one sick puppy, Pt. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 01:02:54 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Bad try PT Message: Now you began as follows: < 'People go to hospitals because they are already sick.'> Maybe,and yet then there are others who go to get checked out for problems that they don't really have, or at least problems that don't really require medical examination and/ or treatment.In the process they contact bacteria and other bad stuff that exists in hospitals, because there are so many actually sick people in these places. Hospitals PT, are not good places to go to if you don't have to. Neither are cults. And as one would want to avoid a bad doctor, one would want to avoid Maharaji. Next, < 'People start looking for something because they already experience a feeling of loss.'> True for some... and yet then there are those who are looking for something out of a positive motivational energy. For these people it isn't really a sense of loss as it is a desire to find something more in their existence, to do something more with their existence that is driving them forward. This statement of yours PT,is thus, quite obviously, nothing more than just a massive generalization, and rationalization on your part, to obfuscate this most tragic of all the issues and aspects associated with M and his cult. And you concluded, <'...Had I not found Knowledge, I have no doubt that my disillusionment would have become even more severe with possible tragic consquences.'> You should know PT that this statement is the epitome of moronism. We are not dealing here with 'possible tragic consequences,' but with the actual tragic consequences of people who had been part of M's cult and for some reason or another decided to end their lives. And there are way too many. Pray PT, that there will never be a valid, scientifically sound study of the PREMIE SUICIDE RATE, and pray too, that 60 Minutes don't get their hands on it. Note to Peter: I thought your post was a gem and you deserved more than PT's excretive response which proves that he isn't just Passing thru, but Pissing thru. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 01:21:04 (EST)
From: shp Email: None To: Nimrod Subject: reply to Nimrod, et al Message: Hey Nimrod, I just had to interject something here. First of all, let it be known that all premies are NOT alike, case in point. Secondly, the thing about going into a hospital and all that verbage....let me just say that some people are highly SUSCEPTIBLE to whatever germs are flying in the air. I personally have an immune deficiency disorder in that I have no microhairs in my nose, ears, eyelashes, so anything in the air has a very easy time getting into me. I have to be very careful to steer clear of dirty air and 'particulate' (particles in the air). it's not easy in this world. I daresay there are folks who have a similar disorder mentally or intellectually, and any concept can get into them just as easy. I am not addressing anything about Maharaji directly here on this post...I just can't stand analogies that don't connect! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 03:11:27 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: shp Subject: reply to shp , et al Message: shp,you said in closing, '...I just can't stand analogies that don't connect!' We know shp, there's lots you can't stand in this forum,but that's your problem. The analogies do connect. It's your f**kbrain, premie obfuscation of this tragic issue that doesn't connect.In fact, I am now dissconnecting YOU shp. Your mumbo jumbo is nothing more than a fart in a windstorm! Now go fuck yourself, and enjoy your lies. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 12:36:34 (EST)
From: shp Email: None To: Nimrod Subject: beg your pardon? Message: Hospitals today are not healing centers. They are generally for-profit corporations. They rush people in and out, charging much. The doctors, hospital orgs, and pharmceutical companies make a killing. They tried to rush my mother out of her bed three days after her open heart surgery (aortic valve replacement), telling her she was ok to go home. She said she didn't feel right and they said sure It's not going to feel 'right' for awhile since she had open heart surgery. but she insisted it was some- thing more. My brother, sister and I had to get really heavy just to get the doctor to check her out. Turns out she had collected a whole lot of liquid in her chest cavity which had to be drained immediately. And if they had sent her home without listening to her and our feedback, she would have probably died. And this happened at a so-called 'award-winning state-of-the-art' facility. There is shit going on at hospitals far more insidious than germs in the air. This whole hospital analogy set me off. But if you want to disconnect me, great. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 17:58:08 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: shp Subject: beg your pardon? Message: what do you mean 'beg your pardon?' I don't have to beg for any pardon here. I said what I meant, and I meant what I said. So beg for your own pardon, shp. But I agree with your post. There is some awfull stuff goig on in hospitals, and I would add, there is some pretty awfull stuff going on in M's cult as well. Hey shpey, this whole business of PREMIE SUICIDES really has you freaked out. I can uderstand that. If you find yourself about to sing a duet with your shincters, try 'Moon River' and go... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 18:01:55 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: shp Subject: correction, I meant... Message: ... sphincters. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 18:45:43 (EST)
From: shp Email: None To: Nimrod Subject: squeeze out a tune Message: >what do you mean 'beg your pardon?' I don't have to beg for any pardon here. I said what I meant, and I meant what I said. So beg for your own pardon, shp. This is a case of your simply not understanding the term. It was I who begged your pardon in the first place, because I did not realize what triggered your ire. >Hey shpey, this whole business of PREMIE SUICIDES really has you freaked out. I can uderstand that. What has my sphincter in a tizzy isn't the suicides...it's my own life on the line here, and those who I share information with. My condolences all around to those who have friends who did split. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 22:49:48 (EST)
From: peter Email: None To: shp Subject: hospital story & analogy Message: Hey, shp, that's terrible what happened to your mother. A similar thing happened to my father, went to the emergency room when he was having a heart attack and they told him he was just hyperventilating and sent him away. He drove back to work but when he got there he could hardly walk. Fortunately his doctor's office is right next to his work, the doctor called an ambulance and took him back to the same hospital. He had an angioplasty and he's doing well now. You said that the hospital analogy set you off, and in an earlier post that the analogy didn't connect, but I think it does. Not only in terms of 'diseases' that you might catch in Maharaji's hospital, but also how individuals are treated there. I think your mother's story of being sent away by a careless and impersonal medical staff when she was very ill has strong parallels to some of the Maharaji stories I've seen here. I remember one about a person who wrote desperate letters to Maharaji asking him for the tiniest sign that he wanted them to live. The doctor was not in. Okay, maybe he was busy playing golf, but his staff was not in either. No response of any kind. I really can't see why not. This was one of the premies who killed themselves. Be good to yourself. Peter Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 01:35:41 (EST)
From: shp Email: None To: peter Subject: hospital story & analogy Message: hey peter, thanks for the thoughtful reply. i think that i didn't read completely and coherently the hospital scenario since i saw black and red (you know the feeling) when you get really pissed...anger does rob you of clear thinking...so i am reasonably sure there must be some merit in the hospital analogy, from all the feedback...i haven't had as much time lately to participate here. next time i open my mouth, i'll be sure to have read what i am commenting on more thoroughly. more later maybe, it's late. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 03:19:14 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: shp Subject: Playing Doctor Message: Secondly, the thing about going into a hospital and all that verbage....let me just say that some people are highly SUSCEPTIBLE to whatever germs are flying in the air but the point is that in a hospital there is a real possibility of contracting some highly infectious disease unlike any that you would typically encounter in day to day life. And, of course, the reason is that people with such diseases are likely to be at the hospital. Diseases like Ebola, TB, etc. Or speaking of TB, that's what Sanitoriums were all about since this is an airborn highly contagious disease. I think that PT's analogy is very fitting. Makes perfect sense. It should probably have its own page. Anybody, remember the Replacements and their 'Take me to the hospital' or 'Red Light, Run It'? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 04:34:30 (EST)
From: Dr Passing thru Email: None To: barney Subject: This won't hurt... Message: Dear Barney, Its been said many times on this site what a bunch of idiots premies are. And that explains why so many wierd things went on. So why do you blame Maharaji and Knowledge for what the idiots did. No one could control them. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 12:05:27 (EST)
From: x Email: None To: Dr Passing thru Subject: This won't hurt... Message: Passing thru, you've been passing thru for as long as I've been here. You sure are slow(pun intended). Yes, premies are idiots, some more than others. Maharaji on the other hand isn't an idiot, he's just a concienceless(sp) savvy asian businessman. Excluding him from blame regarding any embarassing aspects of his cult, prior or present, is like excluding Hitler from blame for what the nazis did during WW11. It is certainly true that Maharaji is more responsible for what his premies did,including commiting suicide, than the premie population at large, idiots or not. You can be proud of yourself for being such an unquestioning zealot PT, no doubt there, right? gmj is the man, right. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 14:34:48 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: Dr Passing thru Subject: I agree, you're right Message: PT, I've been struggling with this issue of responsibility for years now and your argument has finally convinced me that Maharaji bares no responsibility whatsoever. He's blameless. His message is pure and simple. It was always the crazy premies who acted without his authority. A few rotten apples spoiling it all. I've been taken in by these damn ex-premies and their darkness. Thank you for setting me straight. I'll be going to my first video in a long time tonight. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 16:13:31 (EST)
From: P Email: None To: barney Subject: I agree, you're right Message: It's so true that GMJ is like a shining lotus flower, that grows in the muddy water and yet remains pure and virginal and chaste. How can that which is perfect and infinite be imperfect? GMJ is perfect and without fault, he is pure and wondrous. He is my all, my everything, he is my mommy , my daddy, my brother , my friend, (but not my sister), he is everything to me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 17:12:37 (EST)
From: T Email: None To: P Subject: I agree, you're right Message: He is my all, my everything, he is my mommy , my daddy, my brother , my friend, (but not my sister), he is everything to me. He's not your sister? How can you say he's your all, then? He's my sister, my uncle, my cousin, and my dog. Top that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 17:15:48 (EST)
From: TP Email: None To: T Subject: I agree, you're right Message: he's my house-mom, my plumber, my mechanic, my doorman.... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 16:36:34 (EST)
From: VP Email: None To: Dr Passing thru Subject: This won't hurt... Message: So why do you blame Maharaji and Knowledge for what the idiots did. No one could control them. Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha! Remember: An obedient slave obeys his master. Happy fresh breath! VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 17:09:48 (EST)
From: Mike Email: None To: Dr Passing thru Subject: This won't hurt...WRONG! Message: PT: There IS something that M could have done. First, he could have said, 'stop it!' Failing that, he could have said, 'you are no longer my premies!' Don't you think that THIS would have gotten the attention of those that thought he was GOD? It may be brow-beating, but it would have been highly effective, nonetheless! Even 'I' a mere mortal, know that! Whether it was him, directly, or whether it was 'his' premies, it's the LEADER'S responsibility if something goes wrong and it's the LEADER'S responsibility to FIX IT when it does go wrong! Sorry, M can't dodge THAT responsibility, especially when he presents himself as greater-than-god! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 01:52:54 (EST)
From: Jethro Email: None To: Dr Passing thru Subject: This won't hurt... Message: You sound just like Margaret Thatcher defending Pinoche. You are REALLY sick Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jan 06, 1999 at 17:21:53 (EST)
From: Anne Email: None To: Dr Passing thru Subject: This won't hurt... Message: Passing thru, your last line is one I find very fightening. 'So why do you blame m and k for what the idiots did. No one could control them.' Can premies now be controlled, or are we going to see them totally out of control? Have all the idiots finally left gm? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 04:27:15 (EST)
From: Passing thru Email: None To: Nimrod Subject: Stay well Nimrod Message: Dear Nimrod, No wonder you misunderstood Maharaji and Knowledge. The main opportunistic illness that people catch in hospitals is salmonella caught by patients who have had operations or with weak immune systems. Healthy people visiting hospitals are as safe there as anywhere else. As for whether people are motivated by a feeling of loss or a positive desire to experience more, the result is the same, a desire to leave a place that doesn't fully satisfy. And finally you admit that some people end their lives 'for some reason or other'. Exactly. PT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 17:37:33 (EST)
From: Nimrod Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: Stay well Nimrod...&... Message: f**k you too PT. For the record I'm quite confortable with my understanding of 'Maharaji' and 'Knowledge'. I understand that Maharaji is a leader of a destructive cult. I understand that Knowledge is nothing more than the sizzle he sells people to entrap them in a life of enslavement to him, and to a belief system which is untrue, unnatural, and self-destructive. The rest of your post is just so utterly moronic, it doesn't even merit a response. Maharaji's slime is all over you PT. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 22:22:47 (EST)
From: peter Email: None To: Passing thru Subject: PT in Maharaji's hospital Message: Okay, PT, let’s review what you said: 1) You were sick 2) You went to Maharaji’s hospital and got well Number one I can believe. I might even believe that the symptoms you had when you were admitted to M’s hospital have gone away. But you are NOT well. You are one sick puppy dog. And it’s pretty clear that you caught it in M’s hospital, since the symptoms are similar to those displayed by others who have received treatment there. What are those symptoms? Not easily described but it involves suppressing what I would call ‘the spark of life.’ I’ve seen evidence that CD tries to suppress it, but he fails on a fairly regular basis. Orlando very nearly succeeds, but s/he’s let one or two sparks through. I’ve never seen that spark of life from you. Not once. Not one expression that rang true as having really come from you, a living human individual. It's all just parrot-talk and twisting and manipulation. In fact, I'm beginning to suspect that you're not a person at all but a program commissioned by Maharaji, kind of like that complaint generator that nigel found. Most people here have LOTS of that spark. Some of the newly-released are sparking so much that they’re in danger of burning the place down. Gail comes to mind, lately. Bravo, Gail. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 22:33:21 (EST)
From: Jim Email: None To: peter Subject: In defence of PT (nt) Message: nt Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 19:50:40 (EST)
From: Larkin Email: larkin@redcrow,demon.co.uk To: Everyone Subject: Love you all - Fill yer boots! Message: For those who made jai satch'anand Their only daily greeting For those whose frantic social whirl Was one more satsang meeting For those who gave up everything And all the dreams they planned out For those who looked for light divine And found an ambient bland-out For those who came like sleepwalkers With hearts and minds sincere For those sho sought the love supreme But found a panacaea For those who earned their cash to buy His houses, plane and car too For those who succumbed in the night To Prem Pal Nosferatu For those whose eyes saw through his lies (To him you don't mean tuppence) And wait with bated breath to see The fraud get his comeuppance For those who knew for years just satsangservicemeditation For those who tell it clearly now With righteous indignation For those who forwent fish and fowl And meat and lust and pleasure For those who crapped on near and dear For one elusive treasure For those whose years of practice Left them feeling robbed and cheated Now wait for dawn to see the vampire Finally unseated For those still twingeing from the guilt Of the neglectful mother, Father, brother, sister, friend Or the unfaithful lover For those who long to shift that guilt From their own weary shoulder For those whose wisdom came so late - are now two decades older For those whose thoughts they echo mine (I'll be your friend forever) Who know that love and laughter Are the only earthly treasure For those whose friends met tragic ends In suicide or breakdown And await Van Helsing to come by To whack that final stake down... I wish you health and happiness Good ale and song and cheer And most of all - from your good friend A wonderful New Year Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 21:42:58 (EST)
From: bill Email: None To: Larkin Subject: Love you all - Fill yer boots! Message: 'for those who crapped on near and dear for one elusive treasure.' Your the greatest larkin! I am off to out of state work again so I bid you fond farewell I'll read all of your writings, in the inactive files and the archives. This is great to read a Larkin post as I head out. Although it is great to read a Larkin post anytime. I'll take you up on your line--'I'll be your friend forever.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 21:46:30 (EST)
From: Gail Email: None To: Bill & Larkin Subject: Love you all - Fill yer boots! Message: Ditto! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 22:48:40 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Larkin/Nigel Subject: Love you all - Fill yer boots! Message: I was really moved by your poem. It had all the anger in it but also the tenderness of finding out what really matters in life. Well done, Nigel. Can Willi come out to play now? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 22:54:41 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Nigel Subject: Love you all - Fill yer boots! Message: I'm sorry I said that all the brain talk was like being pecked to death by ducks. Actually that was my evil twin, Bratty Bathsheba, who is known to say 'Bite me' when annoyed. (; Seriously, I hope you didn't take offense. Actually it's a true sign of how comfortable I feel with y'all that I could say that. Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 23:24:08 (EST)
From: Willi Kranz Email: gothman@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Mrs Helen Subject: To be comfortable ist schon Message: I utter a quick 'Gruss Gott', my freundliche humdingers. Hello Mrs Helen. I am sometimes pleased to be pecked by ducklings. In the rock 'n' roll lifestyle we do comical things of this kind. Mostly in the van when we are having some more schnapps. We had it all cookin' but now it is late and Gerhard's tape has snapped. We are hiring a very cheap studio, you must understand. Otto is trying to splice it together. If so the album will be a landmark on rock history, perhaps. They will also make a compact disc because it is a sexy beat . I will report back to you fondly. Yes, Robyn, I am faithful still. bis spater, Willi Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 06:22:18 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Willi Kranz Subject: To be comfortable ist schon Message: Dear Willi, You dear, sweet, crazy rock man! This is the easyiest relationship I've ever had Willi, must be made in heaven! Is that in Malabu? First Larkin warms my sentimental heart and then you have me laughing and re reading your post to laugh again. This is why you are being good for me Willi. :) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 12:51:08 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Willi Kranz Subject: For you, my dear Willi Message: Peck Peck Peck Go the ducks in my brain Peckin' me to death I'm going insane Just wanna veg and not think anymore Vegetables in my refrigerator rotting to the core A new song for your band, Willi Go crazy, man Love, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 23:11:37 (EST)
From: ham Email: None To: Larkin Subject: Love you all - Fill yer boots! Message: I'd vowed not to duplicate posts, but......you are indeed a treasure, but as for that willi kranz, any chance of him seeing the light and getting into the '90's and drum & bass, or in willi's case it would have to be goa trance! No take that last sentence back, I'd get even more jealous. luv ya ham Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 06:14:08 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Larkin Subject: Love you all - Fill yer boots! Message: Dear Larkin, Hope you got my wish for a happy new year, I sent it through Nigel :). Your poem here has warmed my heart on this cold morning. Thank you, dear. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 17:14:17 (EST)
From: RT Email: ommm To: Larkin Subject: Yer boots, for better or verse Message: Thanks be to Larkin. Well done! Love you all - Fill yer boots! Larkin's rhyming raps its roots on a franchise from a hindu Seek within? He sells a windoo. Love you all - Fill yer boots! The Master Baiter took the loots For Peace on Earth? ME first-devotion! Capitalized on breathing's motion. Love you all - Fill yer boots! Now ex-premies watch the Suits Of Elan Vital beg. It's funny: 'Truth is free' ; but HE costs money! Love you all - Fill yer boots! As time passes so will routes Flown by Rawat. Just Say Knowing! -To the cult of group-think sowing. Love you all - Fill yer boots! We are free for good pursuits Next time you hear guru talking Remember: boots are made for walking. RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 23:10:21 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: RT Subject: Yer boots, for better or verse Message: Love it, RT, especially the 'boots were made for walking' part! I can just see Nancy Sinatra in a plastic mini skirt and go-go boots now, singing this song Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 23:52:31 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: RT Subject: Yer boots, for better or verse Message: Great one, as usual, RT! - all I can do is finish the line - 'and one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 08:07:33 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Helen Subject: Yer boots, for better or verse Message: Dear Helen and RT, Helen, Happy Birthday! I agree with you and as usual both Larkin and RT have done excellent jobs. We are so fortunate to have such talented people posting here. Thanks RT! :) :) :) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 14:09:19 (EST)
From: Selene Email: None To: Helen Subject: what does fill yer boots mean Message: My biker neighbot (mispelling intentional this time!) started his bike on new year's eve, midnight. Just fer all of us! whoo hoo! what a guy. His girlfriend, the one with the job who owns the house, is about 15 years older than him and dies her hair white blonde like Nancy S. I call her Nancy and him Cleatus. What's this got to do with anything? Well, because I dont' get the thread title: Fill your Boots? huh? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jan 05, 1999 at 00:25:53 (EST)
From: Helen Email: None To: Selene Subject: what does fill yer boots mean Message: HA! WHoo, hoo! They shore sounds like fun!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 23:55:03 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: Larkin Subject: Happy New Year, Larkin! Message: A little bird told me that you're going to have to take a break for a while, so I (we) wish you well. Thanks for the wonderful verse. Love, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 14:54:51 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: Katie Subject: Boots were made for licking Message: Sorry, no prose will follow But, only from HIS Boots will I swallow But, first I lick them so, so clean Oh, you all know exactly what I mean These boots were made for licking These boots were made for kicking And I'm the one they're for When I'm down there, kneeling on the floor Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 15:06:01 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: barney Subject: Boots were made for licking Message: Dear Barney, So you are a comedia song writer also. Very funny! You guys should start a band like Al Yankavitch! Hahahahaha! Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 15:47:23 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: Robyn Subject: what does fill yer boots mean? Message: Thanks, Robyn. This is all so much fun because we have the Perfect Object of Jest. What the heck does 'fill yer boots' mean? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 18:20:23 (EST)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: barney Subject: what does fill yer boots mean? Message: Dear Selene and Barney, Fill yer boots... My guess, since you asked I felt I had to give it some thought! :) Didn't some old forgien Santa fill shoes left on the porch? I think it was wooden shoes in Holland. What the hell, at least I tried. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jan 07, 1999 at 08:56:39 (EST)
From: Bootsy Email: None To: Robyn Subject: what it means... Message: I have heard two explanations: After a sudden gold-strike, or pirates find treasure, and there's nothing to carry the stuff away in, they say 'Fill your boots!' It's a kind of 'dive in there and help yourselves' expression, sometimes uttered in ale-houses as a kind of toast. Or in the police, when a senior officer is giving encouragement to a junior they might say 'time to fill your boots', meaning 'it's about time you grew up and took a little responsibility in life'. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 16:27:30 (EST)
From: g's mom Email: None To: Everyone Subject: where the guru sends his dogs Message: I had a computer crash and was looking for this website and found this amusing link http://www.kamercanine.com/clientel.htm Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 16:37:01 (EST)
From: barney Email: None To: g's mom Subject: Lawrence Welk & Nikki Sixx Message: That was cool! If we were treated half as well as well as Maharaji's dogs we probably wouldn't be here (ex-premie.org) today. I wonder if Kamer Canine College will be contacted by Elan Vital to make some changes. We should keep our eyes on this. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 19:00:53 (EST)
From: x Email: None To: G's Mom Subject: This is really hilarious Message: Good job G's mom, that was the best laugh I've had in days! I can't believe it's under Guru Maharaji instead of Rawat. I think it's funny that this place publishes a list of clients. It's also funny that Guru Maharaji is listed under celebrity clients. I bet he never thought his name would be listed like that when he brought his dogs in. He must have brought them in a while ago, back when he still used the Guru prefix. Oh well I'm sure he knows about this now, since he has people with knowledge(note the proper terminology) doing service(or whatever they call it now) monitoring this site. GM is in a bind though, sort of, because if he has the name removed from the list he looks like an uptight control freak, and will further prove that not only is he aware of this forum, but he lets himself be influenced by it. His other option is to leave the GM tag on the list, which is pretty embarassing. I predict the name Guru Maharaji will fade from the list soon. So hurry and get a look. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 22:52:12 (EST)
From: nigel Email: barkin@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: g's mom Subject: hallowed company indeed Message: I mean the Fifth Dimension and The Sandpipers. Forgive me Lord. Now I understand... eternal pranams... please, please let me back in. By your grace or something. Hell, what am I supposed to say nowadays? It's all gone blank... too late, I guess. I can still play a pretty good green tambourine... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 12:09:42 (EST)
From: nigel Email: None To: nigel Subject: trivia question (ot) Message: It wasn't the Sandpipers who did 'Green Tambourine' - that was the Lemon Pipers. So what did the Sandpipers do? The question's been bugging me all morning. I think it was something really naff and insipid, but I'm not sure. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 15:50:17 (EST)
From: ham Email: None To: nigel Subject: trivia question (ot) Message: Wasn't it 'Guatanamara', something also about some dodgy film with Liz Taylor & Richard Burton is flitting about my brain, an arty community, in California/Mexico? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 16:19:54 (EST)
From: They taught the dogs Email: None To: all Subject: 'Pranam Fido', he taught the Message: rest of us to roll over and play dead! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 06:14:04 (EST)
From: syd Email: syd@gold.ac.uk To: Everyone Subject: first western mahatmas in uk Message: Can anyone remember the name of the first western 'mahatma' to come to the UK, in '74 I think (maybe '73). I remember seeing him talking and the write up in divine times. Was that Bob Mishler? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 11:28:26 (EST)
From: Katie Email: None To: syd Subject: first western mahatmas in uk Message: One of the first 'western' mahatma was a guy named Arthur Brigham (I cannot recall his Indian name). I think there were four at the beginning - two men and two women, but I can't remember who the other people were. There's lots of people on the site who know more about this. As far as I know, Bob Mishler was never a mahatma. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 11:48:11 (EST)
From: Joy Email: None To: Katie Subject: first western mahatmas in uk Message: The first four western Mahatmas made by the BM simultaneously were: Kathy Sullivan (Pranam Bai) Bill Patterson (Mahatma Satchitanand) Ira Woods (Mahatma Gurupujanand) Arthur Brigham (Mahatma ??--can't remember!) There was an English guy, Saphalanand, who was a mahatma before that, probably around 1971, though I don't know if Maharaji made him a mahatma, or the holy family did, or if he was self-styled. To my knowledge [no pun intended], the only one still a practicing premie (though I don't know if he's still a mahatma/initiator/instructor) is Ira Woods. We have had various discussions about the other three on the site here from time to time, check the archives. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 14:55:55 (EST)
From: syd Email: syd@gold.ac.uk To: Joy Subject: Thanks - and more on Saph Message: Joy, Many thanks for the detail. Will troll the archives for more. I remember Saph - real name Brian Kitt - who (so I was told in '73) went to India in about 1968, was the first westerner to accept m as his lord and master, was made a mahatma by m and sent back to start propagation. Charanand came to london a year or two after. Saph liked chillums and was said to have used them in k sessions, sometimes in the back of his van with hitch-hikers he had just picked-up (this may just be rumour of course but it was certainly a widely-believed story that that is how DLM really started in the west). After m came over, maybe before that when charanand came, saph was stopped from giving k sessions. However since we were all told that every mahatma was a realised soul, saph was still treated with a great deal of awe by the average premie punter. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 15:32:14 (EST)
From: Seymour Email: seymour_t@rocketmail.com To: syd Subject: Thanks - and more on Saph Message: Wotcha Syd, Just thought I'd add my welcome to this forum and to say that I remember Saph well - he certainly like his chillum and was a nice guy - one of the true hippies. Although I am only an occasional contributor I try to keep up with at least some of the recent posts every week or two. You seem to have developed your own opinions, which sound very healthy IMHO, of DLM and the knowledge on your own in the years since being a practising premie and I am sure you will enjoy taking part in the discussions that take place but be warned... although it will make you laugh, give you inspiration and insight into the truth of what happened (and is still happening) it can be addictive, just look at Jim, Nigel et al(who are doing a stirling job). Mind you I would be there all the time if I didn't have to spend so much time earning the daily bread etc. There's nothing like an open debate where you make friends and are able to say whatever you like, I think it conforms to the philosophical idea of the dialectic where people may take opposite sides but come away from the argument a little wiser than when they entered it. Unfortunately there are not too many premies willing to get into a debate about the merits and failings of knowledge or the authority of Maharaji to tell others how best to live their lives, but there are a few and there is a wide spectrum of opinions about the value of meditation, religion, humanism etc. Of course there is also the chance to hear other peoples experiences of being entrapped in a false worldview. This says where I am coming from but I did not suffer so much as others and do not really have an axe to grind. I think M believes in himself ( at least some of the time ) although that's no excuse for misleading thousands of people. I'm glad to see that you have renewed your old friendship with Anth. Was he the teacher with a good sense of humour, who was very active in setting up a premie school? I always enjoyed his satsang. Of course these days ordinary premies are not able to give satsang which I think is a real shame as this was a chance to express yourself. Most of the contributions on Enjoying Life lack the humour and insight that was sometimes present at places such as the Palace of Peace and small gatherings. I went down to Dulwich most nights and enjoyed some of the evenings but mostly I was there out of a sense of duty. Anyway, welcome to the Forum I look forward to your future posts. Cheers Seymour Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 16:05:49 (EST)
From: syd Email: syd@gold.ac.uk To: Seymour Subject: Thanks - and more on Saph Message: Hi Seymour, Thanks for the warm welcome. I've spent far too much time here these past few days, mainly because I am on leave (work starts again on monday) and because I have free local calls to my ISP (videotron line to Dircon). May not be here quite as much in a couple of days time, unless it is quiet at work :-) Anth. Was he the teacher with a good sense of humour, who was very active in setting up a premie school? Yes, that was probably Anth - he had a very bristly dark moustache. I did not suffer so much as others and do not really have an axe to grind This is true for me too and, as I've posted several times over the past few days, I realise now that I had a very lucky escape. Where were you living when you used to go to the PoP? I lived in a squatted street in clapham with other premies from October 75 to march 76 and used to go every night, no. 36 bus there and back. Couldn't imagine a more enjoyable place to spend the evenings. Sad or what? Syd Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, Jan 03, 1999 at 08:40:40 (EST)
From: seymour Email: None To: syd Subject: Thanks - and more on Saph Message: Hi Syd, used to go every night, no. 36 bus there and back. Couldn't imagine a more enjoyable place to spend the evenings. Sad or what? Yes I was probably on that bus each night also, although I can't remember the number as I had my mind on realising my soul and other such ethereal things as I made my journey from Richmond or Putney. You are a lucky man having free phone calls. This forum business is costing me a fortune. Cheers, Seymour Return to Index -:- Top of Index |