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Forum III Archive # 49 | |
From: May 27, 1999 |
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 19:30:28 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Sweet Nothings Message: If only I had a satellite hook-up! For just $40 U.S. I could have heard this last night: Miami Beach, USA — May 29, 1999 Maharaji accepted his first speaking engagement in the United States in several months. He addressed individuals aspiring to receive Knowledge—quite a few would receive Knowledge the day following this address. Here is an excerpt from this event. |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 19:44:43 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Jim Subject: Do You Think Message: Hi Jim, Do you think Rawat's gardener that he fired on a whim after 20 years of divine service (in the Rawat family garden) was in the audience? As far as the 'breath' soliloquy I'm pretty sure he plagiarized from the Lamaze Breathing Techniques. Points to ponder! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 18:44:19 (EDT)
From: dv Email: None To: Mary M Subject: Which gardener? I've known Message: several... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 01:49:10 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: dv Subject: To DV re:gardener Message: When I was in Australia about 3 years ago, I met prem's former gardener who was sacked after 20 years without a word of explanation. Prem just sent him a message telling him to leave and did not want to see him a again. I can't remember the person's name, but he was working in a plant nursery (somewhere on the Gold Coast). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:28:42 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Jethro Subject: To DV re:gardener Message: Would you be able to contact this gardener. I hope his heart wasn't broken. Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:47:33 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: Liz Subject: To LIZ re:gardener Message: 'Would you be able to contact this gardener. ' I doubt it since the premies who took me to see him I am no longer in contact with. I doubt that they're even speaking to me...but I'll try and contact them sometime in the future. 'I hope his heart wasn't broken.' I am sure he is telling himself that it is just M's lila....just like I did for years after I was thrown out of the ashram onto the street. It took me years to wake up. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 20:55:28 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Jim Subject: My fingers around his neck. Message: The bastard has the gall to talk about wasted days when he wasted so many of ours by power tripping on us under the guise of lord of the universe. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 21:54:24 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: KB Subject: Peter Sellers - Being There Message: Has anyone else seen this movie. There are many parallels between MJ the gardiner and Chauncey the gardiner; profundity in simplicity. MJ was elevated to LOTU; Chauncey was elevated to Prime Minister despite having an IQ of 80. Except for the jokes, MJ's current discourses are whisps of nothingness; simplicity at its finest. This shows great prudence on his part. Who could accuse him of psychological manipulation? I've been hearing about these crops I have growing within for years, but I have yet to harvest even one bean sprout. I have to admit it--the only things I ever loved about it all were the endorphin high I conditioned myself to feel and the ego- booster of being one of god's chosen. We might as well face it, we're addicted to love (brain chemicals). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 21:56:08 (EDT)
From: FED-UP Email: NONE To: Jim Subject: Sweet Nothings Message: I too attended the Miami event yest erday, Saturday. I must confess that M is a charismatic speaker with a captive, rapturous but submissive audience ....... but the rubbish he speaks almost put me to sleep. What a fraud ! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 22:21:50 (EDT)
From: Rasputin Email: None To: FED-UP Subject: Sweet Nothings Message: So why the fuck did you go you stupid bastard Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 22:49:11 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Rasputin Subject: Not too sweet.... Message: Rasputin, Why the fuck did any of us participate? Does that automatically make all of us stupid bastards and bitches? If FED wants to share let he or she share. Mary awaiting more 'Sweet Nothings' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 00:14:32 (EDT)
From: Princess Email: None To: Rasputin Subject: Raspy Message: If you are some stupid premie still running on adrenaline after the trip to Miami and dropping in on the forum while you check our email please have a beer and go to bed already. You should have stayed down there and cruised the bars. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 00:31:15 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Princess Subject: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 Message: Hi Princess, Rasputin did not go to Miami. FED-UP did and responded to Jims post from EV. (Sometimes it's healthy to remember all of us ex-es went to programs and at some point along the road 'Puff the Magic Dragon' was no more. Voila - a new ex is morphed.) Rasputin and yourself are ticked at FED-UP for some reason I can't quite fathom. This thread has gotten a bit tangled. I still feel that if FED-UP wants to post let he or she post. Do you expect this person to hang out with premies in Miami and and get through the 'candy apple glaze' of a group high and state that M was boring? Mare Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 00:38:59 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Mary M Subject: Raspy voice Message: Just remember, Rasputin was a mad monk, so maybe he hasn't got aye his marbles? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 02:48:45 (EDT)
From: princess Email: None To: Mary M Subject: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 Message: now then I was telling Rasputin to back off from Fed up so he can feel free to express himself. Sounded to me like Rasp was a premie giving him a hard time. but I havnt read the rest of this thread, so god knows what hs gone on Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 02:55:04 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: princess Subject: hi Message: Think we're the only ones on. I've got insomnia, how 'bout you? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 03:10:41 (EDT)
From: princess Email: None To: Rob Subject: hi Message: im on all right there is a message to you above note the two names. Us mercury types use different ones after dark. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 22:44:05 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: FED-UP Subject: Sweet Nothings Message: FED-UP, Appreciated your post. Could you tell us a bit more about the ambiance? Considering we're the 'old fogey's club' it would be good to hear from Generation X reps. Love, mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 02:00:20 (EDT)
From: FED-UP Email: NONE To: Mary M Subject: Sweet Nothings Message: The ambiance was as usual - boisterous, adulating and sickening. For Rasputin's benefit I went because I had to (not that it is any of his bloody business!) plus the fact that the venue was a few blocks from where I live. Suffce that t M and his EV organisation are nothing but a bunch of frauds - but how does one convince a mesmerized adulating audience? The Forum may be a good place to vent one's anger but nothing mire. I am married to a person who is totally engrossead with M and, I fear, beyond help. Somebody has to be in the enemy's camp and hopefully rescue my partner. FED UP AND DISGRUNTLED . Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 02:55:17 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: FED-UP Subject: Sweet Nothings Message: oy viegh I am overtaken with a solemn moment for your plight. words fail me Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 15:25:43 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: FED-UP Subject: Sweet Nothings Message: Were you ever involved with EV and Maharaji? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 19:00:22 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: Everyone Subject: And we thought we had Message: it bad supporting the Lard! Check out the June Issue of Smithsonian Magazine. There's a delightful article about the CALTRANS 'working men and women' whose daunting task is keeping Highway 1 in shape often times around Malibu. Some of them have decided to set up a camp at the highway refurb sites to avoid the commute. Here's the good part. They've dubbed their camp, 'Camp Wannamoochee' says one worker. You will be asked to take the Moochee Oath should you join this elite crew of daredevils. 'Do you swear to eat red meat and only red meat? Do you swear that beer is both a fruit and vegetable?' The article further states, 'keeping the road open is a tears-and-beers saga.' They've had severe problems at Malibu Bluffs (I think 'Malibu Bluffs' is an apropos name for Seva Corporation of America's Absentee Owner's Estate). Well here's the rest: 'The coast highway through Malibu forms part of the high-rent district where zippy Porsches sport vanity plates like '4 HWY 1'. Many movie stars live off the route: Barbra Streisand, Jack Nicholson, Cher. These people expect to be able to get to their driveways' Workers see such folks pass their site every day. 'What a lot of people don't understand is that guys like us are supporting a lifestyle.' I think X/3 should award the Caltrans Malibu Wannamoochie workers a directorship (in absentia) on the BBOC aka Burnt Batch of Cookies Foundation's Board. Now who'll bring the beer? Luv, Contrary Mare - FORGET THE CULTS - START A FOUNDATION;-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 16:13:51 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Setting the tone Message: As the incoming Webmaster effective June 1, I am seeing the need to facilitate communication and reduce the number of characters stored on the server. Therefore, I'm providing this list of Assicons (like emoticons.) (_!_) a regular ass (__!__) a fat ass (!) a tight ass (_^^_) a bubble ass (_*_) a sore ass {_!_} a swishy ass (_o_) an ass that's been around (_x_) kiss my ass (_X_) leave my ass alone (_zzz_) a tired ass (_o^^o_) a wise ass (_E=3Dmc2_) a smart ass (_$_) Money coming out of his ass (_?_) Dumb Ass Why gone on and on forever with words when one of these Assicons will quickly and succintly do the job? For example: Maharaji is a (__!__),(_?_) with too much (_$_). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 17:15:29 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: barney Subject: Setting the tone Message: Dear Barney, Well this would be VERY funny if my toilet was working but it is not so it made me cry! Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 18:54:27 (EDT)
From: dv Email: None To: barney Subject: Whats your point? Message: nt Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 22:39:17 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: dv Subject: A better class of name calling Message: I want a better class of name calling here. I want the dumpsters in the alleys filled with empty champange bottles, caviar tins, and anything else that smells of high class. I've got to cut this short to make it down to the docks to wish some friends bon voyage. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 20:00:51 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: barney Subject: Setting the tone - Ha ha.... Message: Thanks Barney - now I know what to put in my e-mails to Maharaji. Oh, and I might just send these to some of my friends (they're all suckers for the odd bit of bottom humour now'n'again!). Thanks. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 21:11:35 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: barney Subject: Sitting on the throne Message: HI Barney! Glad your in charge. You are the latest in a unbroken succession of perfect web masters. (_*.*_)=head up ass (_cat_)=catweasel (_/_)=crooked ass prem rawat (_:_)=monica lewis (____)=prem rawat, the shit comes out the mouth. (_o!o_)=the lords tiny weeny Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 10:10:53 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Unconditional Love Message: What ever happened to unconditional love? Guru Margarine told us that in this world of illusion, the only real, unconditional love was the love between a master and devotee. Bonds between children and parents, lovers, family members and friends were superficial and could be easily broken. Do one wrong thing and all bets are off with these temporary, worldly relationships. MJ said, 'You abandon me, but I never abandon you. Even in your deepest, darkest moment, I do not abandon you.' Where is his unconditional love now? It has been deep, dark and incredibly lonely for me this past year; Lord Maharaji has not seen fit to come and allay my fears. Instead, I have been used as a deterrance to others--there without the Grace of God go I. Hear the Master Speak; 'Dear Premies: Do not criticize me or the progress of my mission. I am the Lord, thy God. Noncompliance with this fifth commandment will result in banishment and eternal damnation. The Lord has spoken.' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 10:25:28 (EDT)
From: One of yours angels Email: None To: Gail Subject: Unconditional Love Message: Dear Gail, God loves you. Never doubt that. He fashioned you down to your cuticles. Stop your self-punishment. Go enjoy something, anything. Do something that puts a real smile on your face, now! Go to Florida and visit that nice premie lady who invited you. Look for the beauty and love in your life as hard as you have been looking for the confusion and trouble. Whatever you look for you will find. Look for what you want the most and don't stop until you have found it. And enjoy the search. You are most fortunate among creatures to even realize there is a search and a goal. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 11:57:22 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: One of yours angels Subject: Unconditional Love Message: Hello Angel, Just to set the record straight I'm that nice ex-premie lady who invited Gail down. Love, Mary M Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 12:08:54 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Mary M Subject: Unconditional Love Message: Geez Mary. Thanks for the invite. I'll think I'll take you up on that. Can I bring my African grey parrot? You may not want her along; you can imagine the things she says. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 12:51:18 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: Gail Subject: Unconditional Love Message: Hey Gail, I'm enjoying the Mare handle Nim gave me! By all means bring the parrot. We'd have a blast. Has your parrot been with you through all your travels, trials, and travails? We might just need to start organizing an outing at the springs. There are quite a few in the one privately owned park. It also has electric outlets, grills, HOT Water showers... and an eclectic group of people. As well as the clearest water in the world. Check it out: Ginnie In the old days one could only get to it down a well hidden dirt road. Many a local woman of old trudged the road to do their laundry. Love, Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 10:43:56 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: None To: Gail Subject: It still isUnconditional Love Message: What you are saying is not true.WHO said you were banned,When did they say it and WHAT is their role?Here ,you could be like me, a fictional character.You could be 'playing with the Premies' You seem pretty keen to maintain your XXX status,so why do you want to attend an event with M anyway Gail?P.S I'm happy to chat to you here .Even give you a few clues.But thats it;for all I know you could be the illconsidered Barney/Roger.Simple question 'Why do you want to go?' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 10:49:58 (EDT)
From: spartakus Email: manmat To: Catweasel Subject: manmat Message: the manmat woke up on the soft side. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 11:43:10 (EDT)
From: Gail MacDougall Email: freedom@gtn.net To: Catweasel Subject: No, it's not Catweasel Message: I am a real person, Catweasel. I really do live in London, Ontario, Canada. Feel free to phone me at (519) 660-6578 or write at 242 Huron Street, London, ON, Canada N6A 2J7. Although London has now been taken off the global contact list (probably because there are only five people left), Lynn Devine is still the contact person here. I really was rejected entry to the satellite program last December, 1998 by Michael Duhaney and Alex Perlman. At that time, Michael still owed about $1 800 on my credit card of which he still owes me $2 and my credit card (no loyalties here). I really was called the other day by Michael Duhaney and told that I would not be able to attend EV events unless I went to a meeting first. Here are his phone numbers: home - (519) 679-3819 and work - (519) 852-3375. Why not call and ask him why he felt a pressing need to call seven times in two weeks to relay this message? He was an ashram premie for years. He does security in his green suit for most North American programs. He is a nice person with a great laugh. In the chain of things, he has no official role for EV. I'm sure he knows I would not create a scene at a program. I am merely pointing out that MJ has not offered unconditional love. That's all. I'm angry, but doing ok. I wouldn't trapse around the globe after MJ, but I would take a personal day to go to Montreal after the 'meeting'. I would like to see what it feels like after being away for nearly a year. Moreover, I would like to see MJ live up to his promise of 'the door is always open' and 'unconditional love'. I come here to uncover my own programming. By the time I left last year, I was in the advanced stage of co-dependancy on MJ, so I had little interest in the world. I am alone in the aftermath of MJ except for my cyberspace friends--regular, worldly folks and shrinks just can't relate to the atrocity of be so self-effacing as to live with your mind in a vice for over 24 years. As an individual, I pose no threat to MJ or EV, but collectively our voices represent the feelings and doubts of thousands of ex and current fence-sitting premies (PWKs). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 12:36:48 (EDT)
From: Brian Email: None To: Gail MacDougall Subject: Nicely said, Gail Message: Now I'm wondering whether Catweasel will respond sensibly to it. Or whether there will EVER be any intelligent response from those who are responsible for making the rules governing who is and isn't allowed into 'free' public programs, and how to measure whether they fall into an acceptable catagory or not. Certainly Maharaji will never respond. There are no real problems in his world that more donations can't rectify. Devotees' problems are theirs. His problems are for the devotees to solve. Nice. And they fall all over themselves making excuses for the little shit... Maybe Michael is a power-hungry prick. Maybe he's even well-meaning in some twisted way. But he chooses to 'serve' the needs of someone who doesn't even know he's alive. And to turn his back on someone who was REALLY there for him when he needed it. Michael, you're disgusting. Maharaji is probably very proud of you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 22:45:34 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: None To: Gail MacDougall Subject: No, it's not Catweasel Message: Thank you for the detail.I accept what you are saying.Please allow me the time to repond respectfully.Cyberspace is'nt real. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 10:45:54 (EDT)
From: SPARTAKUS Email: SELF LOVE To: Gail Subject: Unconditional Love Message: HI GAIL. love your self first! and you will see how unconditional it is. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 14:30:02 (EDT)
From: Sokrates Email: None To: SPARTAKUS Subject: Unconditional Love Message: I've got a question for you, Spartakus. If you've got nothing but self-loathing for yourself, how do you turn that into self-love? Some things are easier said than done and not very helpful when said however well intentioned they might be. You were being well intentioned, weren't you? Or were you trying to show us how wise you are? I'm unimpressed. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 17:09:59 (EDT)
From: never mind who Email: None To: Gail Subject: Unconditional Love Message: Gail, lurking here from time to time I have 'heard' you say things like 'Rawat must be stopped'. Do you really think it so unreasonable for someone to want to 'check in with you' before having you at an event? Is it unreasonable to want to avoid heckling at an event with hundreds of people? Ahhhh - probably y'all will think it IS unreasonable...but I don't personally think so. That doesn't mean I condone over-zealous 'helpers' or taking of ANYONE's money. But I dont think any of this has anything to do with unconditional love, or doors being open or closed. Its a pragmatic step to insure that the people who have come to listen can do so undisturbed. I'm sorry you've had such a hard time and don't want to fill your head with platitudes. I just wish you the best. Life is short. Too short. I hope you can move on, in whatever direction works for you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 17:18:46 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: never mind who Subject: Conditional culthood Message: Never mind: Gail can and will speak for herself, I'm sure. No, it is not ok for people to check in with Gail before she attends because we were all told that 'This Knowledge is for Everyone.' The fact that these folks want to exclude people who have dissenting views just shows that the propaganda that has been circulating for years is UNTRUE. Who decided this, anyway? M? Or PAM's, who profit from their closeness to M and don't want anyone posing confusing questions? To exclude Gail, who gave over 20 years of her life to M, is a very unsettling piece of information ---- something that those who are about to be ensnared ought to know. Those involved in the profit end of things don't want this to get out, for obvious reasons. End of gravy train. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 18:28:19 (EDT)
From: Mare Email: None To: never mind who Subject: Unconditional Love Message: Is it unreasonable to want to avoid heckling at an event with hundreds of people? Wow, NMW, you guys wouldn't last two minutes at a Tennessee Vols game! I'd be more concerned for the heckler than for the ambiance of the program. After all, I have it on good authority that Craftsman just filled an order for 1,123 titanium enforced steel hammers (with shoulder holsters and reflective wrap shades thrown in to seal the deal) to be worn by M's Security Guards and of course his loyal usherettes. The glitter filled batons the ushers and usherettes used just didn't pack enough oomph for fracturing skulls. Ahem, is that pie on your face? Luv, Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 19:03:25 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: never mind who Subject: Unconditional Love Message: Dear NMW: Thank you for your kind wishes. I don't think MJ can be stopped, per se. Many old-timers are in for the long haul. Would you agree that new people don't seem to stay very involved for long? I would say that the group has dwindled in North America, but it will not stop entirely. I am outspoken, but not stupid. Do you really think I would take on a crowd of 2 200 people and risk injury or death by hammer? I have never taken part in any demonstration until the teachers' strike last year. I have never even been back to the video venue since my last viewing on June 13, 1998. If I were a rabble rouser, I would have been over there picketing or putting flyers on people's windows--JUST SAY KNOW! I am sincere about wanting to see how I feel about MJ and K. I did spend over half my life involved. I had doubts and questions, but I rarely doubted that MJ was the Lord. I couldn't figure out why he assigned such dumb people to run things. For example, Bestway Travel trips always cost about 15% more than booking trips yourself. Nobody ever knew where the money was going--not even George Legere (it was always someone else's department). In fact, nobody knew anything, but there was always lots of direction. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 12:34:03 (EDT)
From: nmw Email: None To: Gail Subject: Unconditional Love Message: I wanted to paste in your message so I could reply line by line, but couldnt figure out how. Anyway, I don't know you - but I certainly don't think you're stupid. I have no reason NOT to think you're sincere about wanting to know how you feel. And you're entitled to do so. As for him assigning such dumb people to run things - I can't disagree. So its a good practice to take control of your own life and decisions in any case. Easy to say, not so easy to do, but critical nonetheless - no matter what path you're following. As for the whole Lord thing - I dont quite know what to say about it. I don't think I even quite understand what 'the Lord' means. Much like I don't understand what 'God' means. In any context I understand those words today, MJ is neither of those. Whatever I was thinking of 25 years ago - its all evolved. Or changed. Or whatever. I hope you said 'the hammer' thing tongue in cheek. I think you must know that the main interest of people at these events is listening in a focused environment. If you thought otherwise, I can't imagine you'd be publishing your phone number to the whole world. As for Bestways travel - I dont think it has any official or quasi-official status - but who knows? Maybe it does. I don't recall anyone even remotely pushing me to make my reservations through them. Like I said - I wish you the best. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 17:43:26 (EDT)
From: BOJ Email: None To: nmw Subject: Love, Lemmings & Bestway Message: NMW, As for Bestways travel - I dont think it has any official or quasi-official status - but who knows? Maybe it does. I don't recall anyone even remotely pushing me to make my reservations through them. NMW - of course you don't recall even remotely being pushed. Sharks know the behavior patterns of lemmings quite well. Rob is correct. They don't need $50 from anyone. It's soooo easy. Do you think the Registered Agent of Bestway Linda M Smith is the same Linda M Smith of Elan Vital? <<<<<<< ELAN VITAL >>>>>>>>> CORP NUMBER: J69298 CORP NAME: ELAN VITAL FOUNDATION INC. TITLE: DPT NAME: BALE, JOHN K 516 N. PENNSFIELD PLACE, SUITE 108 THOUSAND OAKS, CA TITLE: VP NAME: MARGULIES, ALICIA I. 11900 BISCAYNE BLD #200 MIAMI, FL TITLE: DS NAME: SMITH, LINDA M 11900 BISCAYNE BLVD. #200 MIAMI, FL TITLE: D NAME: CIULLO, VIRGILIO J 516 N. PENNSFIELD PLACE, SUITE 108 THOUSAND OAKS, CA <<<<<< BESTWAY >>>>>>> NUM: V19568 ST:FL ACTIVE/FL PROFIT FLD: 03/09/1992 FEI#: 65-0317684 NAME : BESTWAY TRAVEL & CONVENTIONS, INC. PRINCIPAL: 420 LINCOLN ROAD ADDRESS SUITE 359 MIAMI BEACH, FL 33139 RA NAME : SMITH, LINDA M RA ADDR : 11900 BISCAYNE BLVD SUITE 200 NORTH MIAMI, FL 33181 US ANN REP : (1997) B 04/25/97 (1998) BY 04/01/98 (1999) A 04/08/99 Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 12:53:06 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: nmw Subject: Intellectual Dishonesty Message: As for the whole Lord thing - I dont quite know what to say about it. I don't think I even quite understand what 'the Lord' means. Much like I don't understand what 'God' means. In any context I understand those words today, MJ is neither of those. Whatever I was thinking of 25 years ago - its all evolved. Or changed. Or whatever. I hate to say this, but the above statement is incredibily dishonest on an intellectual level. Perhaps you are being more dishonest to yourself than anyone else so perhaps we should feel sorry for you. It is a major defense mechanism, rationalization, method of protecting contradictory and ridiculous beliefs simply to resort to a sort of cultic vagueness, which you are doing here. 'Gee, I don't know and what does it mean anyway, etc., etc., etc.,' I have engaged in this myself in the past as a card-carrying cult memeber. I also find the 'evolution' theory particularly insulting to the intelligence of anyone who was around Maharaji and his cult 15 years ago (NOT 25 years ago by the way), when M was clearly claiming to be the incarnation of god, sitting on thrones, giving darshan, wearing crowns and all the rest. You don't 'evolve' from something like that. It's impossible. You either admit the error and apologize -- correcting permanently this huge, glaring, incomprehensible error and try to move on, or you do what Maharaji has done: lie about it, blame others, obfiscate and cover it over, rationalize it and take no responsiblity whatsoever for doing it, nor for damaging people in the process, all the time continuing on a more subtle level the very same kind of erroneous and destructive beliefs. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 21:05:08 (EDT)
From: nmw Email: None To: JW Subject: Intellectual Dishonesty Message: I hate to say this, but the above statement is incredibily dishonest on an intellectual level. Perhaps you are being more dishonest to yourself than anyone else so perhaps we should feel sorry for you. You can feel sorry for me if you like. I must admit I find your use of the word 'we' very entertaining. Intellectually revealing at the least. It is a major defense mechanism, rationalization, method of protecting contradictory and ridiculous beliefs simply to resort to a sort of cultic vagueness, which you are doing here. 'Gee, I don't know and what does it mean anyway, etc., etc., etc.,' I have engaged in this myself in the past as a card-carrying cult memeber. Sorry - that's not what I said. That's not what I meant. I know its inconvenient for you to accept that - but it is true. Make it sound any way you want it to. I think I resent being called 'intellectually dishonest', but its not worth arguing over. It would be intellectually demeaning to me. Read my post again...carefully. Cultic vagueness - sheesh! Whatever. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 23:12:40 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: nmw Subject: Intellectual Dishonesty Message: Don't worry about it nme, JW will parse you to death. It's sorta like his statement that Margaret Sanger has studied ''thousands' of cults (notice he made no retraction or acknowledgement of being wrong.) He makes up his own facts and figures as he goes along, and they seem to pass as truth. Don't bother. It's not worth it, trust me on this one. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:45:53 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: gerry Subject: Intellectual Dishonesty Message: Are you saying, Gerry , that I shouldn't believe what J.W. Says? ie: Linda Smith, Affairs by M , alcholism by M etc.? Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 19:03:51 (EDT)
From: spartakus Email: na To: Sokrates Subject: Unconditional Love Message: I joined this forum 3 days ago, and so far i have noticed a very storng common denominator. simlicity is not your forte. with the amount of energy,that is dispenced on self loathing one can experience self love . self love is a by product of being in the here and now. i did not try to impress any one, i threw few pebbeles into the pond to see if the ripples (broadripple)will rich the shore .by the way its all done for the love of life and god...... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 20:53:02 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: spartakus Subject: Unconditional Love Message: Believe me, self-loathing is no longer one of my problems. For the first time in decades, I feel that I'm up to snuff. I am no longer a spirtual failure; I have realized MJ's Knowledge. Unfortunately, I spent too much time in this pursuit; consequently, I did not cultivate aptitudes and friendships outside EV. That is my new struggle-worldly integration. Don't worry. I haven't come this far to quit now. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 00:47:38 (EDT)
From: spartakus Email: None To: Gail Subject: Unconditional Love Message: Thair was a storm on miami beach yesterday around 5 pm . a real violent one. 1/2 an hour later. i stood on the balconey looking @ the ocean, when sudenley this very larg, lear jet with tipped wings, and colord tale, approched from the east. i picked my binocolors and followed it, until it dissapird in the low hanging cloudes. do you think it was one of m picokish appirances. i know that his prog. was in the eve. but i did not know when. i have lived in miami for the last 20 years. i have recieved kowlege 25 years ago. i renaunced m 5 years ago. and realized! that knowlege, DOES NOT belong to m but, only to the allmighty that keeps me ALIV. the energy on south beach last night was uneasey. @any rate ,i think prem pal started to dispence latley anew version, called KNOWLEGE LITE!!!!! what do you think? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 01:21:06 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: spartakus Subject: Unconditional Love Message: what do you think? I think you're a poser. Or nigel. Or (god forbid) keith. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 02:01:00 (EDT)
From: spartakus Email: None To: gerry Subject: Unconditional Love Message: have a littel faith my boy! thair are some real peopel, alive and kiking. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 01:30:50 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: spartakus Subject: Unconditional Love Message: You need to catch up sparky. M hasn;t flown a lear for yonks. besides he arrived by boat Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 15:22:38 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Rob Subject: Unconditional Love Message: What do you think, Rob. Should I be banned or not? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 02:28:06 (EDT)
From: Victoria Email: None To: Gail Subject: Unconditional Love Message: Dear Gail, I would go to Montreal with you if I could. I saw M in Montreal in 1978 I think it was. I think it was the time he gave that MIND satsang that Jim quoted up there. It's funny because some of the quotes don't mean much to me, they are just like something I read in a magazine or heard on a tape. But others slice deep into me...I think those are the ones I heard in person, the ones I constantly meditated to...that mind quote scared me, ew, get it off me, you know? I'm glad you brought up this subject of unconditional love because I think it is bullshit. Love unconditionally and you create spoiled, selfish ne'er-do-wells. SHP accused me of having unconditional love a couple of weeks back. Please god if there is a god save me from ever again having unconditional love for anyone. These feelings should be reserved for dead messiahs only. And infants. Love, Victoria Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 03:26:35 (EDT)
From: Sandra Email: None To: Gail Subject: Unconditional Love Message: Dear Gail, C'mon, you know that's baloney. I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers you ranting quite violently, often obscenely and definitely insultingly in the loudest possible virtual manner right before the satellite event. It wasn't at all surprising you weren't invited in at that time. To blame that on Maharaji is just another in a long, loud line of scapegoating. Yes, the door is open but to use your public tantrums (here) and twist them as an example of something Maharaji is doing to you...that's really pretty lame and quite dishonest. You want to blow your top in public, go ahead. Don't expect to be invted ANYWHERE when you've publicly and repeatedly insulted the host, be it a dinner party or a Maharaji event. It's exactly the same...it's a matter of decency, manners and respect. This means a lot to the other people there, whether you like it or not. You're the one who's tried to shut down OTHER people's access (the library, etc.) To use this as your repeated bullhorn of 'what they done to me' is flat out dishonest...and beaneath your dignity and honor. You pride yourself on honesty...would you have invited YOU in after reading all the crap you were shouting in public? I think not. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 07:58:57 (EDT)
From: Sister Email: None To: Sandra Subject: oi viegh Message: Sandra Good scimitar action . Good criticism. Doesnt it illustrate how for each ex premie there is an individual process of extracting themself from the effects of the cult. Just as for each premie there is also the trap of naming an individual ex-premies process as a personal hang up --and therfore the fault is certainly not with the cult or Margariney. (You might not be doing that , but I am not familiar with you.) I think there is a real danger in a linear medium like this to fuse together individual behavior/mode of expression with the objective problem. I see it happening on both sides of the issues that come up. Continually there is a expansion and contraction between the personal viewpoint of one person and the objective viewpoint of the other. Most of the time they cross wires and blow a fuse eventually. Even if someone was in high victim mode, that does not let the victimizer off the hook. As far as I am concerned, Gail is entitled to whatever she wants to do. M has had it easy for too long. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 08:41:20 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Sandra Subject: Why the need to sneak around? Message: Why are venues never told who is coming to speak? When the Rolling Stones handlers rent venues, do you think they say special guests will be coming to entertain a limited audience. Furthermore, do you know what unconditional love means? It means regardless of what one person does, the other will continue to love. Maharaji promised it, so where is it? BTW, find the obscenities. Gail Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 13:54:13 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Sandra Subject: Maybe you're right, Sandra Message: Sandra, Gail's my friend but I want to be fair about this. I think that if someone disrupts a program, let's say, there really are some ethical issues raised that might not be black and white. Can we discuss this? I'll tell you my experience. The last program I attended was the only one I ever spoke out at. It was Raja Ji's money-for-plane-number-who-knows-what pitch in LA in the late eighties. Raja Ji was taking questions and I interjected -- out of turn -- on what I thought was some guy's behalf who was getting brushed off by the Lord of the Universe's brother. Now, granted, this was a question period. I wasn't interrupting a soliloquy or something. Still, I was disrespectful to say the least. I even expressed a tad righteous indignation, enough, at least, to bring a sea of frozen smiles to the premie heads that were turned to watch me in the back row. Yet, when Raja Ji moved on I graciously abandoned the discussion and only afterwards went up and spoke to him. But what if there was no question period? Say the whoel thing was presented as a monolithic and slick infomercial? Carefully crafted to give no foothold to questioners, let alone critics? Don't our many years invested in the cult give us some right to confront Maharaji? I mean, just because we didn't pay for this particular hall rental, doesn't the fact that we paid for all the others give us some right to a dialogue with him? I guess Maharaji can bunker down for the rest of his life. It's a very cowardly, unprincipled tact, though, given all he's suppsedly ever stood for. I'll just leave you with this. Remember how proud Maharaji used to talk about his own father's reputation for going around India confronting various gurus? What happened? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 16:01:05 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Jim Subject: I don't think so, Jim! Message: Consider this: I have never created a public scene at any event. I would not interrupt the blissful brainwashing whatsoever. I just want the benefit of the 'open door' policy that MJ keeps bragging about (the unconditional love would be nice, too). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 16:55:07 (EDT)
From: Victoria Email: None To: Gail Subject: I don't think so, Jim! Message: Dear Gail, I know you were talking about M having unconditional love for us, but you know, he doesn't even know who we are! We are the ones who had unconditional love for HIM...he could do anything (and has!) and we would just keep on loving him. Well, some of us have stopped loving him. Guess it was unconditional love, but only for a limited time. You know, not a leaf drops from a tree without his willing it...remember that? So why do they think you would disrupt a program unless he willed it? Why don't they just surrender to the Master's will on this issue? Sounds like another case of overzealous premies trying to interfere with a pwk's experience. Sheesh! Love, Victoria Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 17:50:42 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Victoria Subject: Unconditional Message: Does unconditional love equate to unconditional acceptance of all behavior? As a parent, I really do feel unconditional love for my children. But as adults if their behavior is not to my liking and they bring it into my home- I feel no obligation to put up with it and have the right to expect them to take their behavior elsewhere. But doing that does not change my love for them at all. This is not to defend the fact that Gail was barred. But unconditional love doesnt mean accepting all behavior. M never had unconditional love for us. He had unconditional take. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 22:51:28 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Gail Subject: Well someone's wrong Message: Sandra says: I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers you ranting quite violently, often obscenely and definitely insultingly in the loudest possible virtual manner right before the satellite event. But Gail says: I have never created a public scene at any event. So what gives girls? Sandra, you're the accuser so I'd say the onus is on you to particularize your complaint. What do you mean by rant? What exactly did she say? And tell us about these obscenities. Words like 'poo poo'? 'Heck'? 'Fraud'? What was it? And 'loudest possible virtual manner' -- that sounds pretty intense. Could you please explain yourself? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 23:41:59 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Jim Subject: Well someone's wrong Message: Maybe 'virtual' means via cyberspace in this context. So Gail would not have made a scene at a public event unless one views this public forum as a public event. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 05:08:06 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: cp Subject: This site = limited interest Message: The only people who would be interested in this site are current/ ex-premies and aspirants. Anyone else would be bored to tears reading this junk. Jeez, you would need a premie-speak dictionary for one thing. The media is not interested in MJ. He doesn't have that many followers left. Have you seen any big spreads on TV or the newspaper about MJ lately? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 07:35:27 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Gail Subject: This site = limited interest Message: Hello Gail Glad you are speaking to me..That Sandra is a sharp cookie .Wish she was on this side o' the fence. No I havent seen anything about M in the media for years He tries to stay out of the limelight no doubt. But that says something to me. It shows me what he prefers and my reflex is to give him the opposite of what he wants. Of course respectable news media are not interested in an old has-been like him. BUT! praise the lord we have the cheap tabloid type of rags that may print a stupid expose if it is written well. I think of things like a shot of him in his krisha outfit placed sort of cockeyed on the cover along with an ariel (sp) shot of the Malibu Palace. With a heading like 'LOCAL GOD MAKES GOOD' Oh I dont know. Thats probably Dreks area of expertise. Sheeeet, if Ted Patrick can get interviewed by Playboy why cant Jim? If the ex premie writers find out what they cant say - then say everything else ----at least it would be some negative publicity for people to read in the check out lane. One more thing. His name never comes up in social circles without somebody asking what ever happened to that boy guru. Or they roll their eyes and mumble 'divine light mission.' I think they should know what he is up to. But I dont want to stick my neck out and do it myself so maybe I should go polish the silver. Well I did ramble on here. At least it may serve to get another wrinkle off my chest. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 07:38:55 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Gail Subject: This site = limited interest Message: If tammy baker can get on to those corny talk shows... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 18:22:34 (EDT)
From: Nim Email: None To: Sandra Subject: Dearest Sandra Message: C'mon, you know that's baloney. I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers you ranting quite violently, often obscenely and definitely insultingly in the loudest possible virtual manner right before the satellite event. So Sandra sweetheart, tell me this. What about my own ranting and raving? Haven't I been sufficiently violent and obscene enough for you? Why then, have I received three phone calls inviting me to the Montreal event? Two of them from my official phone tree person, and one from an elderly lady premie who just happens to be in touch with the Amtext office in Miami on a daily basis, and is looking for me to give her a ride to the program. Ah but you'll say Nim, you just happen to be lucky. Because you've been posting under the pseudonym 'Nim' or 'Nimrod' noone really knows who you are. But thats bullshit. Everyone at the Amtext office knew immediately from my very first posts who I was. 'Nimrod' was even a nickname one of the Amtext staffers started to call me(with considerable affection believe it or not)...just before she stopped talking to me(and then of course there was no more considerable affection...speaking of 'unconditional love') So evey one who counts in Amtext knows who I am, the same for Montreal, and I haven't exactly behaved as a premie choirboy on these pages. I left around the same time as Gail, we both have had some very strong things to say about m personally and about his trip, both feeling alot of pain and hurt as we've witnessed the dream of our lifetime shatter before our very eyes. Gail, like myself has never caused a disturbance at an event. SO, Why then do I keep getting phone calls inviting me to the event in Montreal? While Gail gets a phone call telling her to stay away? Sandra, hon...what gives? Whats the difference between myself and Gail? Why am I so wanted back and Gail virtually shunned aside, banned? Lets have a vote right now, and see who the good folks here at the forum feel is more mentally stable...me or Gail? You see my point Sandra. I'd probably come out of this as the bigger looney tune. Fuck,I work hard enough at it. So, again...my dear, scintillating Sandra...whats the difference between me and Gail? Sandra, do you think the fact that I left the cult with a little business that used to be tied into Amtext, business that they might like to get back...could that have anything to do with it? Could all this premie love coming for me be based on nothing more than the fact that I held a key for Amtexts future growth in Canada, and now its gone and they want it back.? Either by myself crawling home to daddy, or by trying to lure another premie to take me on in the book buying field. But first they want to see if Joey is coming back. And that ain't going to happen. You guys are the slimiest, sleaziest, psych dweeb twerps...led by the true master of slime and dementia for our age. The stench of your hypocrisy and double standards is enough to make one faint. One would truly have to search the world extensively to find your kind of hypocrisy and slime. I suppose another cult would do it. Nim, (and just for the record, thats Joseph Faywlowicz Montreal, Quebec) Maybe now, the phone calls will stop. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 19:30:12 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: Nim Subject: go Nim go !!! nt Message: and I don't mean ''go to the program, er event'' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 19:36:22 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Joey Subject: Whahooooooo! Message: Love ya. As Jim said to me, how does it feel to burn your draft card? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:26:31 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Joey Subject: Let me blow you a kiss Message: SMOOOOOOOOOOOOCH!! THANKS FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 21:45:38 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: Nim Subject: Go for it, Joey! Message: Dear Nim/Joey - I am SO proud of you! I know how hard it is to 'come out' on the forum (and I do understand why a lot of people don't). Anyway, you're great - congratulations. Love, Katie (a.k.a. Leia) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 23:17:48 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Katie Subject: Don't go ever, Nimmy. Message: As a friend, I suggest you remember that cult members can get violent when they think thier master is attacked. No need to tempt madness by going to the caged animals and thinking there is no threat. Gail is a lady and so is less likely to get hit by the zealots. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 12:08:13 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: KB Subject: 'Go' is figurative not literal Message: I didn't mean that Nim should actually go anywhere. I'm just proud of him and wanted to be encouraging. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:51:29 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: KB Subject: Here's how to do it safely Message: Joe, All you have to do is post the fact that you're going, when,where and whatever. Put the details here, email a copy to ELK and M's site and carry a copy with you. Then take the meeting. No one will bug you. Is it failproof? No but it's a risk I'd take. Jim By the way, I too applaud your 'coming out'. In you case, especially, given some of your recent conflict with Amtext et al. I think you'll find, over time, that it feels really good, to say the least, being a public, named opponent of the LORD OF THE UNIVERSE.Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 23:14:10 (EDT)
From: selene Email: None To: Nim Subject: Dearest Sandra Message: I remember the first time I 'came out' my email, where I was. Kind of scary but an act of defiance feels good, doesn't it Nim? Good goin soldier... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 07:09:28 (EDT)
From: Dopey Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Embarrassed Message: Hello Forum folk, I am new to the cyber world but got knowledge more than 20 years ago. An old friend, who also got k way back then, told me about this forum. I have read some of the journeys and the old posts and would like to congratulate everyone involved for a very well put together exposition of the premie world. However I am puzzled why so many ex-premies are interested in what goes on in Elan Vital and with Maharaji. Personally, and it seems to go for all the friends I got k. with, I would rather forget how stupid I was to fall for the whole thing. Like believing that wearing the latest fashion would make you 'cool' , taking the best drugs would enhance your perception, doing meditation would raise your consciousness or that Father Christmas would be down the chimney with lots of goodies each year ( provided you had been good - for it was only a lump of coal for bad 'uns) etc. etc. 'When I was a child I spake as a child... but now I leave childish things behind..' I seem to remember some such quote from the Bible (Letters to the Corinthians?) Now, to admit to my current circle of friends or even my children that I fell into a guru cult makes me look like an idiot. When my daughter sees the 'Maharishi' character on 'Goodnes Gracious Me' ( a British Comedy Show in which a guru talks convoluted rubbish in a mixture of English and Hindi to impress his sheepish followers ) she laughs and laughs. I am embarrassed to admit that I used to be one of those sheepish followers. I suppose it all taught me something but I can't think what. Maybe a lot of us have to go through some sort of dream chasing before we set ourselves more realistic goals and base our lives on truth rather than wishfull thinking. It does seem fun debating the issues and taking the mick out of the Guru, but Maharaji is just one of many thousands. Around every corner there is someone telling you that they know a better way for you to live your life and, although I hope that these misleaders will eventually fall by the wayside in the process of natural selection, all the reasonable discussion in the world will never get them to leave their dream world. For one thing, life must be pretty good with thousands of admirers lavishing you with gifts - it beats working for a living. I guess having been through all that nonsense in the past has at least taught me to dismiss these and realise that it is up to me to find life's truths through my own studious effort rather than rely on someone elses 'discovery' or supposed enlightenment. Anyway - I hope that the forum and it's contibutors live long and prosper. Also that it may be of some help to those who are sitting on the fence - it's good to have an opposing view to consider - it may prevent a few people wasting their time and later suffering the embarrassment that I now feel when I remember the premie years. Good Luck Dan Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 16:03:15 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Dopey Subject: Embarrassed Message: Hi Dopey, Welcome to the forum. I was intrigued by programme you mentioned,'Goodness Gracious Me.' Sound a hoot. How long has it been running in the U.K? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 02:58:13 (EDT)
From: Victoria Email: None To: Dopey Subject: Embarrassed Message: Hi Dan, I'm interested in this topic of telling your children about your time with M...have you told them? Will you tell them? How old are your children? I have told some of my friends and associates about those days...it seems easier on me as the time passes, hell, we all did some foolish things in the 70's...people are more forgiving when they see it as a passing youthful fantasy. I think many of the exes who post here gave it their youth and a bit of their middle age as well...I don't know, I figured a year and a half WAS an honest try. Thank god for my transient upbringing. You know, for that year and a half I went as deep as I could go and as honestly. In the 80s I took a regular beating from the non-premie masses. What I used to shout on the streets, I learned to keep as a guarded secret, only to reveal to my most trusted friends, if I ever hoped to be taken seriously about anything. I had to prove myself first, you know, to avoid dismissal early on. Anyway, I hope to protect my children from people like M. Any ideas? On the best-drugs issue, I've used the example of someone close to me who lost everything as a result of drug use. I don't think drugs are going to be a problem for us. As for Father Christmas, the kids at school have solved that one for us, all I had to do was throw in a talk about the Spirit of Giving and don't spoil it for the little ones. I have no trouble honestly discussing the joys and dangers of sex. But, hot-damn if I can't figure the way to approach this years-with-m thing and how to protect my children from such damaging exploitation. Sincerely, Victoria Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 13:36:15 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Victoria Subject: Embrace your embarrasment Message: I know this sounds a little 'new age' but I've always found there's no better strategy than simply owning up, admitting the folly and saving some of the best laughs for yourself. You paid the price, why should others get all the good jokes? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 17:11:58 (EDT)
From: Victoria Email: None To: Jim Subject: Embrace your embarrasment Message: Dear Jim, I don't know whether or not you have kids, but can you imagine half the neighborhood kids running up to you and saying, 'Did you really drink his bathwater?' and 'Did you really kiss his feet?' The other half of the neighborhood kids are pointing and giggling. I have lots of neighborhood kids hanging out here most of the time. I don't think I've got enough distance yet to withstand the embarrassment -- you know, 'the cruelty of children' translating as the honesty of children (as in 'You have a big nose!' and such). Anyway, I'm going to work on it. Thanks. Love, Victoria Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 22:56:54 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Victoria Subject: Embrace your embarrasment Message: Victoria, If the kids started giving me a hard time about drinking his bathwater I'd tell them about sex and really feak them out. Little buggers. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 20:23:16 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Dopey Subject: Embarrassed Message: Hi Dan, When did you escape? (I'll have to check to see if you've done a 'Journey'). I've got two sons, now 23 and 21, who've grown up with the premie trip going on all around them. I'm really pleased that my wife and I never tried to lay the Maharaji trip on them. They've seen all sides of it, including going down to the residence and playing with Maharaji's children a couple of times. (They were very hospitable and friendly by the way). They saw the whole meditation, arti, stuff, went to programmes, and are, in a way, partly a product of that culture. They've come through it fine. The eldest came back from a year travelling, and stayed with some premies near Amaroo for a while. He got home having decided to receive knowledge. I gave him my journey to read, and told him I now thought it was a cult (wonderfuly defined from lots of angles above). Fortunately I got through, and he's given up wanting knowledge. Anyway, I think, 'what the hell, tell them the truth, ', yes I was in bloody cult once. We really thought this bloke was god. Well... it was the end of the 60s...you ever hear of LSD?...read the Bhagavad Gita?...you see, I was tripping at Glastonbury in 71 when this flying saucer landed behind our tent and this golden boy got out...the next thing I knew it was 1983, I was married, living in Brixton with two kids and in a cult...' what the hell, it works for me. Anth the Confessor. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 03:27:01 (EDT)
From: spartakus Email: head count To: Everyone Subject: anticrist crused Message: His claim 'i will bring peace to this world' .... is holding the world from having peace. its been said, that only after the anticrist is gone, the real savior comes and brings peace to this earth. we need to unit, and the first step, is a head count. our power is in our #s . moneys ,proofs, advocats,will be ther when we will need them .and remembr a3k jurney starts with 1 littel step. we need peace now ,and we can get it.....SO DEAR LOVERS OF GOD POST YOUR COUNT . .THANKS IN ADVANCE SPARTAKUS. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 04:01:37 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: spartakus Subject: anticrist crused Message: spark this wouldnt have anything to do with the 144000 would it?? what kind of a count do you want? Also if you tell me your mother lanuage, it may help me to understand how you think. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 10:32:52 (EDT)
From: spartakus Email: the truth To: cp Subject: anticrist crused Message: Hi Cp! dont try to box me in one of your conceptial boxes. 144000 ? I thought you were much more observent.my moms language is the primordial vibration. my post is simple .need to know how many of us are out there. I SPARTAKUS AND I HAVE SPOKEN. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 15:54:49 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: spartakus Subject: anticrist crused Message: Is this Hansia? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 17:33:10 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: spartakus Subject: +_=# Message: oh sparka cuss did not mean to rile you. These days when someone brings up antichrist and counting people in the same pargraph it CAN mean that they refer to the bible where the angels counted 144000 - and thats how many they were going to save. Ask any Jesusfreak. If that looks like a conceptual box to you oh great one then so be it. Count me out of your old head count if you cant see the sense in me asking that question. By the way, nice spelling that time. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 00:06:03 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: ELISA CABAL EXPOSED AT LAST! Message: Someone called 'older premie' --sorry, OLDER PREMIE -- posted this urgent protest over on CD's premie forum. You know, there are moments when I almost feel sorry for the fat, greasy hamster. This isn't one of them though. No, I feel sorry for Elisa Cabal! Whoever she is, she's obviously just doing her service or something and this dear brother can't accept that. Who is she anyway? Anyone know? AFTER AN EXTRAORDINARY PRESENTATION IN MIAMI ONCE AGAIN NEGATIVE PREMIE ATTITUDE ELISA CABAL STOPS PEOPLE FROM RECEIVING KNOWLEDGE THAT HAVE BEEN PREPARED FOR YEARS THIS IS WHAT RUINED DIVINE LIGHT MISSION THIS IS WHAT IS DIRT IN THE EYES OF KNOWLEDGE ELISA CABAL A BITCH MAN HATING POWERTRIPPER STOPS PEOPLE FROM REALIZING INITIATION Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 00:08:01 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Jim Subject: ELISA CABAL EXPOSED AT LAST! Message: Jim, Do you think this was a serious post;-) Mary Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 00:10:05 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Mary M Subject: ELISA CABAL EXPOSED AT LAST! Message: Do you think this was a serious post;-) Well I know mine was. No, I think it was serious. We'll know more if someone tells us who Elisa is. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 03:50:25 (EDT)
From: Wm Email: None To: Jim Subject: over at CD's? didn't c it.(nt) Message: nt Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 23:45:54 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Wm Subject: CD removed it Message: Ask him, Wm. It was there yesterday (or the day before). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 00:20:50 (EDT)
From: Wm Email: None To: Jim Subject: CD removed it Message: I did. Damn, just did a 79 percentage on the unofficial Mensa workout, I'll never amount to anything. Wm Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 01:35:36 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Wm Subject: CD removed it Message: You may have to warm up a bit. There are exercise books to develop those muscles, if thats what you are into. That test is not too hard. Never try it when Mercury is in the wrong aspect to yours. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 01:57:46 (EDT)
From: Wm Email: None To: cp Subject: handyman Message: Actually, I probably do need to do it. Had a programming job, rm/cobol, snuck into it from the mail room, most of my work history is manual. Company folded and I went back to the manual work. Every once in while, but has been a long time now, I go to apply for a DP job and most of the time they have those 'tests' that I don't do very well at. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 10:21:43 (EDT)
From: ELISA CANNIBAL EXPOSED Email: None To: Jim Subject: AT LAST AS SHE CONTINUES TO Message: KNAW AT THE HUMAN SPIRIT OF LONG-TERM ASPIRANTS. See her for what she is--one of Maharaji's sadists with a position of power. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 12:06:19 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: ELISA CANNIBAL EXPOSED Subject: AT LAST AS SHE CONTINUES TO Message: Hi All, Perhaps Elisa the cannibal is the official EV Credit/Reference reporter. Couldn't you just envision her with PIII laptop in a back room running background and credit history research on each aspirant? 'So what, you've watch six hundred hours of video. Equifax has rejected your application for the official Visions International Uplink/Downlink eCard. You're outta here bud. Next aspirant please.' Contrary Mary Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 12:10:33 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Mary M Subject: AT LAST AS SHE CONTINUES TO Message: That's funny! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 16:55:06 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Gail Subject: Cabal Message: Sounds like the poster was asked to travel to one too many continents in order to receive the true knowledge. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 11:47:03 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Jean Subject: AT LAST AS SHE CONTINUES TO Message: Do you know why most instructors go around the country with lap-top computers. What are they doing? I wonder how Eliza became an instructor? Thanks for the information. Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 03:24:50 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Jim Subject: Elisa Cabal's an instructor Message: She's one of the most recent instructors. She's from south-am, has been living in LA for years, old timer. jm Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 16:32:24 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Jim Subject: Hey Jim Message: Jim: They've lowered the bar again...... Read the post, he says 'REALIZING INITIATION'..... You don't 'realize K' anymore, now you realize the initiation! Will the search for mediocrity never cease? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 19:36:58 (EDT)
From: SPARTAKUS Email: NA To: Everyone Subject: THE GIFT Message: THE DROP OF LIFE THAT GOD HAVE PLACED WITHIN ME , BELONGS TO HIM . AND ONLY HIM .NO OTHER BEING CAN CLAIM OWNERSHIP ON IT NOT EVEN ME .THATS GOD GIFT TO ME. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 20:19:49 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: SPARTAKUS Subject: Quit shouting Message: Spartakus, I'm not sure what you're saying but could you please drop the block letters? Hard to read. Thanks. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 20:56:24 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: None To: Jim Subject: Your Shout,I'll have a Beer! Message: He's just discovered the caps key! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 22:11:01 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: You Shout, I'll have a Coffee! Message: Do you know Misha? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 10:07:24 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: None To: Gail Subject: You Shout, I'll have a Coffee! Message: I know several Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 01:21:30 (EDT)
From: spartakus Email: the truth.com To: Catweasel Subject: vintage of 74 was very good Message: wis wis ! el salam alecum! what I forgat,you did not learn yet . and if u think that this is shouting you have not heard nothint yet. in hindi they will call you MANMAT!!!!! NOW YOU ARE ASKING WHAT MANMAT MEANS. I think you shuld ask prem pal about hans's manmat. by the way thos are not CAPS Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 16:43:45 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: faquat@hotmail.com To: Everyone Subject: Don't Know Message: I received knowledge in 1972, and attended every event I could from Soul Rush to the closing of DECA, but haven't seen M in a couple of years. I have questioned and justified many things concerning M over the years, but I still don't know if he is real or a fake. I also don't know how to make that determination. So for now I will remain hidden in the North Carolina hills. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 16:47:09 (EDT)
From: VMAN Email: vman@yahoo.com To: Mike Subject: Don't Know Message: Just Think, dummy. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 17:25:28 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: Mike Subject: Don't Know Message: Hi Mike, Welcome to the forum. I don't know who this VMAN is but I doubt you're any dumber than the rest of us who were sucked into M's cult. It's a lot of brainwashing and programming to get over, that's for sure. Hang around for a while, I think you'll get your answer. Also, check out the ''jouneys'' section if you get a chance. PS Love those NC hills... PPS We have one ''Mike'' here already, so you might want to add another initial to differentiate yourself. And don't step into the catweasel shit. :-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 21:18:35 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: gerry Subject: Don't Know Message: Hello Mike vman sounds a bit uptight. Glad you are watching. The archives make for good reading in addition to the journeys. It took me weeks of reading the forum to sort out where I was at. Just about every thought or feeling was on the screen for me to view. I also did not push the process of reaching my own conclusion except for to keep reading and contemplating how it fit in with my own experience. It is a good thing to challenge a mind set that has been in place for that long. Welcome Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 23:40:30 (EDT)
From: Walter Email: None To: Mike Subject: Don't Know Message: Hi Mike, the North Carolina hills are a beautiful thing, not worth leaving for Maharaji. As far as I'm concerned Maharaji's a businessman. He's not interested in anything but his own agenda; which is to glorify his ego, and keep himself and his family in lavish creature comforts. If he was the real deal he'd be out there walking among the people, the poor and physically suffering. Like Mother Theresa or Jesus Christ. Instead he uses his knowledge to hump the golden calf and distance himself from the common people. You're not missing anything. If a relationship with God is what you want, the North Carolina hills can facilitate that better than Maharaji. Commune with the creation and you'll get to know the creator. Prempal Rawat is the plastic fantastic, phantasmagoria unchained. You ask how do you make that determination? You will know the true one by his acts, if in fact there is a true one, and maharaji's behavior speaks for itself. He is and imperfect master. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 00:20:51 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Mike Subject: Don't Know Message: Hello Mike, some of us here were also at DECA. Don't fergit, he said he was the lord, the ultimate ruler, and boldly claimed to be the almighty in person. Updateing you will take a bit of time but he has proven he isnt the LORD and also he has proven by his own behavior that he doesn't understand life and even how to behave. By the way, his mom, mata ji, died after 17 years of him shunning her and makeing smart remarks about her. 'eldest' bro balbhagwan is now off about the globe saying he is the guru and never mentions having a prem rawat brother when he lists his life info. prem rawats daughter that he had with raja ji's wife named 'navlata' is about 21 now. Joan Apter has been reduced to using 'knowledge' as ....well, you have to see her write it in her own words..., she is a spent carcass pathetically lurching along in her life. The devotee/gopi is long ago crushed under the weight of evidence and she is left with a lost lifetime and a resigned alligience to her 'master' tormentor. and more.... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 00:31:14 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: KB Subject: Bill, is this true or what? Message: prem rawats daughter that he had with raja ji's wife named 'navlata' is about 21 now. You know, I thought of asking Rob to ask his friend, Raja Ji, about this rumour too but held off. Really, Bill, how do you know this is true? If you've got the evidence, please spell it out (if you already have for give me, I jsut don't remember.) It's not fair to fling such wild allegations around without some substantiation, is it? Cause if it is true, I'll gladly follow up with Rob. The implications are staggering far and beyond any privacy concerns. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 00:43:51 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Jim Subject: I say yes Message: And it HAS been elaborated here more than once. Just see what Rob has to say. I really like this new set up Brian provided. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 17:36:47 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: KB Subject: Rob? Message: Hi Rob, Did you see Raja Ji this weekend? Did you give him my two posts? What'd he say? Hm? Also, Bill seems to think that M is Nevlata's real father. Know anything about this? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 00:50:32 (EDT)
From: Rob Email: None To: Jim Subject: Oh Mr Postman, look and see... Message: Yes, yes and nothing. Also, cheap shot on Bill's part. Evidence? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 11:37:45 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Rob Subject: Oh Mr Postman, look and see... Message: We have some prem rawat DNA samples, can you get a strand of navlata hair? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 11:41:40 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob Subject: That's it? Message: Yes, yes and nothing. Thanks, Rob. Pleasure doing business with you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 17:31:27 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Mike Subject: Don't Know Message: Dear Mike, I hope you read here and that it helps you clarify things about M for you. Welcome. :) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 10:48:14 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Mike Subject: The name's taken Message: Mike: Could you use a different moniker, please? Just a slight change? I've beenusing it for quite some time and I don't want your posts and mine to be confused with one another, ok? THANKS! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 16:28:18 (EDT)
From: Powerman Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Niggling Feeling Message: Does anyone remember that funny feeling they got when they were a premie, talking about the guru or knowledge? That feeling of lying or not telling the truth, despite giving their all and devoting themselves? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 20:54:41 (EDT)
From: nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Powerman Subject: Like it was yesterday... Message: Does anyone remember that funny feeling they got when they were a premie, talking about the guru or knowledge? That feeling of lying or not telling the truth, despite giving their all and devoting themselves? Yup. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 22:55:04 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: nigel Subject: Like it was yesterday... Message: I remember this particular incident in Harrisbur PA, USA, in the ashram feeling this cognitive dissonance. Two middle aged ladies came in for satsang and this one guy, Richard, a jewish guy ( why were there so many jews and catholics into GM?) anyway, he was from Longisland and these two nice seeker ladies pinned him down on just who he thought Goober was and in the end he said ''God'' as was the party line at the time and I remember wincing. The ladies packed it up at this point and were satisfied that this was not for them. Poor Richard. Face full of pimples and he used to borrow my razor and I would get pissed at him. Well , hell, it was staph infection and I sure as helll didn't want it. He was a gentle and kind soul and a great musician as well. He played saxophone and guitar like a natural. I wonder what happened to him and how he made out in life. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 16:11:43 (EDT)
From: spartakus Email: non To: Everyone Subject: jim and tami BAKER Message: REMEMBER JIM & TAMI MISAPPROPRAION OF FUNDS TRIAL. ITHINK THAT IF THE ATHORITIES WILL START AN INVESTIGATION THEY WILL FIND EVIDENCE ON THE SUBJECT .IMAGAIN FATSOS FACE WHEN HE GET SERVED WITH PEPERS FROM THE FEDS. AND LAST BUT NOT LIST IN WAR EVREY THING IS FAIR!!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 16:48:16 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: spartakus Subject: jim and tami BAKER Message: Hey spartacus When letters are capitalized , its like they are shouting. Its easy to read one word if it is yelled , but not a whole paragraph. You are very fired up. If you ever get to the really old archives, you will see that I also found it very frustrating when the whole forum didt see the similarities between the bakers and DLM. It still seems to me that the set up is similar enough to pursue. The other avenue is to put together a series of articles and offer it to the tabloids. When they have the off season, they will print everything. Something like 'Bakers shining example for boy guru' The forum is only one thing that is going on. If you dont see alot of dialogue about legal proceedings on the forum dont assume it is not happening. Can you get the details on the Baker case? All I remember is that they solicited funds via the television preachin program and they were lining their nest in Florida with the $. Even the dog house. I heard Tammy on a talk show telling about it. She is on them quite a bit. She has dumped Tommy. This was with donations the followers gave with the faith that the Bakers were using the money to spread the Message. Also on another note, I do note the difference in grammer and punctuation between your first post and this last one! And I would be interested in info about the bakers. Keep the fire stoked cp Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 17:33:36 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Spartakus Subject: jim and tami BAKER Message: Hi Spartakus. I think you are great. What cp says is true --- don't assume that legal proceedings haven't started against M. They may have but people just don't talk about it publicly. When were you involved, and where, if you want to tell. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 15:38:58 (EDT)
From: Brian Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Forum III with Frames Message: I've been working on a frames version of the scripts this week. It seems to be working right, but email me if you find any problems with it. You will need a browser that supports frames and javascript (most do now). I'm using Netscape 3.0 myself, and it looks okay. This is an optional way of reading and posting, so you don't have to use it. However, I had to create a different URL (script name) for this version so you can't bounce back and forth between full-screen and frames and still have your visited links follow along with you. On your first use, you'll find that ALL of the posts are displayed as being un-read. There's no way around that. The screen has two sizeable frames: an index frame, and a message frame (used for posting too). You can still click on next and previous messages when reading, but you can also choose to skip over posts or threads entirely by selecting from the index frame. After reading a post, the URL in the index frame doesn't show up as being a visited link immediately (at least in my browser). You can force an 'update' to the index frame by clicking on the divider between the frames (or moving it slightly - clicking is faster). The URL is: Forum III - Frames Version. Enjoy :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 16:28:21 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Brian Subject: Forum III with Frames Message: Cool, Bri, nice job. Hope you stick around after you turn the keys over to Barney. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 18:40:45 (EDT)
From: mw Email: None To: Brian Subject: Forum III with Frames Message: Hey, great, I don't care what they say, I think you are a pretty smart fellow. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 21:23:22 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: mw Subject: What will they think of next! Message: this is great. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 22:49:31 (EDT)
From: Walter Email: None To: Brian Subject: Forum III with Frames Message: Very cool. You can read a single post on the right side while still viewing the entire active index on the left side. Saves time in going back and forth between posts and allows you to see a whole thread while reading posts from that thread. Ingenious. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 23:01:33 (EDT)
From: Walter Email: None To: Brian Subject: Forum III with Frames Error Message: I posted in this thread on the Forum III with Frames and it looked good, but then returned to this Non-frame format and did'nt see my post. Got and ERROR message on the Forum III with Frames that said 'Submitted Form With No Stamp'? But my post can be Read from Forum with Frames but not Forum without Frames. Hope I'm making sense here, I know you probably still have some bugs to work out. But if you read my message on the Forum with Frames you'll see I think it's a pretty cool design. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 23:04:08 (EDT)
From: Walter Email: None To: Brian Subject: Disregard Last Message Message: Disregard my last message, as you can see it has now appeared on the Non-Frame Forum. My mistake. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 23:26:31 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Walter Subject: Disregard Last Message Message: 'Disragrd Last Message' did not come up on the left side screen . Question: when the framed window is on my screen, does the left frame ( the one with the threads) stay current? Is it possible to read successive messages and go back to a particular thread listed ont he left and see new messages that popped on while I was reading a thread? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 23:27:40 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: cp Subject: Disregard Last Message Message: did come up. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 23:48:12 (EDT)
From: Walter Email: None To: cp Subject: Very Funny... Message: It got you also cp, you'll have to ask Brian those other questions cause I really don't know. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 00:35:58 (EDT)
From: Brian Email: None To: cp Subject: Reloading the index Message: when the framed window is on my screen, does the left frame (the one with the threads) stay current? Is it possible to read successive messages and go back to a particular thread listed ont he left and see new messages that popped on while I was reading a thread? No. The index frame contains ONLY the information received from the script the last time the browser asked for it (when it first loaded maybe). So you have to reload. You can reload the entire screen by clicking on your browser's Reload (or Refresh) button. This will cause the index frame to be reloaded when the rest of the screen reloads. You can also reload just the index frame. Click anywhere in that frame to 'select' the frame. (You should see a dark outline appear at the frame dividers of the 'selected' frame. Don't click on a post URL though.) After you've selected the index frame, you can reload it by selecting 'Reload Frame' under the 'View' option on the Netscape menu. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 23:48:18 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Brian Subject: Forum III with Frames Message: Hi Brian, This is great! Thank You! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 11:25:39 (EDT)
From: Maharaji really missed Email: None To: Everyone Subject: the boat. He should have Message: used some of the ex-premies on this site when he had the chance. Some of them are geniuses. Perhaps they could have helped him to delay his downfall. He never was too good at seing anyone's genius except his own. I wonder who is pulling his strings these days? These latest modifications in procedures are bound to get him into more trouble. He should hire in consultants because he and his minions are running out of creative ideas. Next, we'll be able to watch his shows on the all-religions channel. Remember when he did that spoof about the evangelists. 'And when the Lord comes, will you be ready?' Don't worry, Maharaji. We're ready for you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 17:30:41 (EDT)
From: Walter Email: None To: Maharaji really missed Subject: He Missed The Boat! Message: Actually I think M did alot of mismanagement back in the late 70's and early 80's. He had alot of people eating out of his hands back in the 1970's They would have done anything for him in their youthful exuberance. They would have literally given their life for him, and many did. Rawat blew it because he did'nt know what to do with all these people who were giving their lives to him. He set himself up as Lord of the Universe, but could'nt live up to it. So he blamed it on the devotees of the 1970's and said they made a religon out of it. When in truth he just could'nt manage what was happening. Now the truth comes out; he says he never wanted to be a master, he is not a GOD or Lord, etc. Well he sure encouraged the Godhead thing in the 70's, and if the devotees made it into a religon it's only due to his misguidance,misdirection and confused teachings. M blew it because he does'nt know what the fuck he's doing! He was thrown into the perfect master business when he was 13, got into a major fight with his family over it, they rejected him, he assimilated into western culture and tried to become and American, got citizenship but was largely rejected by western devotees. The man had a golden opportunity back in the 70's to do something great, and for a while he was some kind of a humanitarian, but he blew it. Got selfish, Got greedy. Those of you who know what the normal curve is will understand when I say M reached his peak back in the 70's. He is now on the downside. He was established in the west but he blew it, and I don't think he'll ever re-establish himself like he did back in the 70's. This pay-per-view thing is just his attempt to de-centralize his operation and gain another source of income, but it will also further dissipate his operation. He needs money to keep his airplanes running, and I don't think they're fully paid up. He has alot of other expenses as well. He is going to have to find new income sources to maintain his current lifestyle. If the guy was really simple, as he likes to always claim, he would'nt need a lavish lifestyle. Look at the Dali Lama. He has more devotees than M, and he lives a simple lifestyle. Rawat blew it because he's greedy,he came to the west to make a monetary profit and setup the lifestyle he's living today. Sid Auther (sp) was a Prince, who gave up his gold and silver, his worldly castles and riches, and became Buddah. M does not need to live the way he does today in order to spread his so-called knowledge. He needs to be humbled. He blew it because of his arrogance. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 00:30:57 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Walter Subject: So did sid arthur Message: You are right. I agree with your analysis but you grant sid arthur completely underserved status. You are are only guilty of not knowing enough about him. The buddha-sid arthur, was a confused idiot who badly mispercieved life. The proof of that is in his own words and deeds. As told by his closest followers. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 02:54:29 (EDT)
From: Walter Email: None To: KB Subject: So did sid arthur Message: Where are you getting your information on sid arthur? What literature, etc. I'd be interested in broading my understanding, dare I say knowledge, of him. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 21:52:23 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: david.studio57@btinternet.com To: Maharaji really missed Subject: the boat. He should have Message: I think that these days he's getting a lot of advice from business consultants. The slick image, the buzz-words etc are all indicative of such advice having been acted upon. Yeah, Maharaji really blew it when he failed to realise my potential. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 04:08:07 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: the boat. He should have Message: Well if you mean Siddartha- the book by Herman Hesse by that name is a nice story. I dont know how factual it is. He also makes an appearance in the movie the Little Buddah aka Keauna Reeves (sp) He Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 21:49:19 (EDT)
From: Walter Email: None To: cp Subject: Thanks cp Message: For the reference and the correct spelling. Yes I saw the movie, thought it was well done. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 10:59:36 (EDT)
From: spartakus Email: na To: Everyone Subject: rajnish Message: rem. what hapend to raj nish i think fatso is going to have it to . we are working on it.... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 11:27:34 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: spartakus Subject: rajnish Message: Hi Sparky: What happened to Rajnish? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 11:41:33 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: None To: Gail Subject: rajnish Message: He died,in Poona India,in the late 1980's Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 11:53:05 (EDT)
From: spartakus Email: deportation To: Gail Subject: rajnish =prem pal Message: hi gail!!! forgat how he run across the country , was deported back to india. lardo deserv the same . it will take place when the authorritis (i.n.s i.r.s the feds) willget involved all is needed is a small spark, to ignit the fire under fatsos ass. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 11:39:39 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: Orange Bliss To: spartakus Subject: rajnish/YOU MEAN RAJNEESH!!!!! Message: Raj Neesh ,dear boy!Former Dean of Philosophy at Mumbai University,specialising in Logic.This is avery long bow your drawing here Sparkler my learned friend!!So don the orange robes,you bright little sanyassin ,and ask afew more questions about ole Rajneeshand perhaps the mighty Ma Sheila?And why did they wear those beads,worship sexual contact openly,and dearly love ole Raj?Remember he use to be an academic specializing in LOGIC.I know Sparky, its a real conundrum; is'nt it? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 11:55:48 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Gail Subject: The orange people Message: He and his higher ups were investigated for poisoing the food at a restaurant in Antelope, Oregon. The orange people took over the town of Antelope and changed its name to Rajneeshpuram. They tried to poison the few locals who stayed around. Ma Anand Sheela and several other higher ups ran off to Europe and India with tons of money the cult had amassed. Several of them were prosecuted in federal court in Oregon (where I was a federal public defender at the time --- I know the attorneys who represented these guys) for conspiring to kill the United States Attorney for Oregon --- the head federal prosecutor in the state. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 12:04:27 (EDT)
From: Sid nigh Email: None To: Marianne Subject: The orange people Message: Come on Marianne HE wasn't.He'd already returned to India at that stage.Your right about Ma sheila and her friends though. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 12:11:26 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Sid nigh Subject: Rajneesh was investigated Message: Rajneesh himself was DEFINATELY one of the targets of the federal investigation. And Ma Sheela and others did years in federal prison for their illegal activities. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 12:21:40 (EDT)
From: Sid Nigh Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Rajneesh was investigated Message: Maybe so but dont make it sound like he was there .He was long gone.....Making him an easy target for young ambitious parasitic lawyers like you were!Answer the question 'Was he convicted of any crime'Did he serve time in a federal US Prison?Was he detained in a State Penitentiary ? There is no comparison in any case. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 12:34:03 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Sid Nigh Subject: Re-read my posts Message: I never said that Rajneesh went to prison, I said he was the target of the investigation. And, if memory serves me correctly, he was forced by federal authorities to leave the US because of the shenanigans that occurred at Rajneeshpuram. Those who were the closest to him did the time. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 13:10:24 (EDT)
From: spartakus Email: na To: Marianne Subject: raj neesh===prem pal Message: thir are maney similar links between prem pal and raj neesh i would like to start aclass action suit against fatso , get the media involved ,ithink the would love it Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 15:26:56 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: MarianneDB@aol.com To: spartakus Subject: raj neesh===prem pal Message: Hey Spartakus, what do you think the similarities are between Rajneesh and M? I'm interested to know what you think. Post it here. As far as the class action suit, you've seen my posts about not discussing things that are confidential on the net. Send me an email. I am sure that people close to M who read the Forum are very interested to know what our thinking is about starting litigation. I just don't know if it's worth the bother, expense, let alone what the basis for the lawsuit would be. I think if there is any problem for M, it might come from the tax people, just like Sun Myung Moon. Just speculating, of course. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 16:33:21 (EDT)
From: Walter Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Bagwan Shri Rajneesh Message: He was another one who his devotees thought was GOD. Had his own town; Rajineeshpuram, in Oregon. Never went to prison but was deported on a number of things, including violation of U.S. Tax Laws. The people of Oregon, non-followers, Christians and the like, were the one's who went after him. He died in India as eariler stated, but he still has alot of devotees today here in the U.S. One of Rajineeshes biggies was Tantra Yoga and Primal Scream, he had alot of different practices/techniques for his followers, and yes he did give DARSHAN, that is according to his devotees. Rajineesh got booted back in the time when all these cult leaders were very visible, posters on the walls, heavy propagation, etc. around that time M went rather low key. If M were highly visible and pissed off the general public, like Rajineese, then he would have a big backlash and bring-down. Most cults today have gone low-key, that is compared to the way they were in the 70's and early 80's. Rajineese had a huge following all over the world. I used to hang with some of his orange clad devotees. They wore orange because they thought this color increased their energy level. Mostly a nice bunch of people. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 18:52:21 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Walter Subject: Bagwan Shri Rajneesh Message: The public story from the criminal proceedings in federal court in Oregon about Rajneesh can be found in law books at United States v. Sally Croft, 124 F.3d 1109 (9th Cir. 1997). There were lots of insiders who became snitches in order to keep from going to federal prison for their misdeeds while they were members of the cult. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 00:39:56 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Sid Nigh Subject: wrong again sid Message: rajneesh was hauled off a plane in the american soulth while fleeing the country and spent weeks in a federal slammer. He made a deal to not come back to the US and the feds let him out but not until he was punished. Whatever happened to him in prison, is was not pleasant at all and his his staff were screaming about what was happening to him in prison and he himself when he came out said really angry things about what he went through. But since he refused to get real specific, one can reasonable guess that it was things that would embarass him to talk about so I say he was fucked by his roomies. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 13:10:48 (EDT)
From: Blue Jay Email: None To: Marianne Subject: The orange people Message: THE ORANGE PEOPLE!!! Thank heavens Marolyn got her hands on the boy-toy, (premature gooey-rue) years ago. We might have been the tie-dyed people;-) B Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 15:05:28 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Blue Jay Subject: The orange people Message: Sage insight Blue Jay! And Spartakus, just keep on toying with the cat. You're doing a great job. Has he signed off for today? Maybe your mojo really got to him and he went to go meditate. More mojo please. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 12:04:48 (EDT)
From: spartakus Email: weewee problems? To: Catweasel Subject: rajnish/YOU MEAN RAJNEESH!!!!! Message: you should use a better lubricant when you play with your self ha.ha.ha.ha. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |