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Forum III Archive # 49

From: May 27, 1999

To: Jun 4, 1999

Page: 5 Of: 5



Current and Future Premie -:- All you idiot ex-premie's -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 14:20:05 (EDT)
__we win-you lose -:- All you idiot ex-premie's -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 14:31:33 (EDT)
____Victoria -:- picketing and leafleting -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:40:50 (EDT)
______Gail -:- picketing and leafleting -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 23:08:10 (EDT)
________Marianne -:- picketing and leafleting -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 23:24:35 (EDT)
__Gail -:- All you idiot ex-premie's -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 14:48:52 (EDT)
____bes -:- All you idiot ex-premie's -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:01:14 (EDT)
______Mike -:- Let me know... -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:05:49 (EDT)
________bes -:- Let me know... -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:08:09 (EDT)
______Gail -:- Spiritual Breakthroughs -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:23:00 (EDT)
________Zac -:- Spiritual Breakthroughs -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 18:20:27 (EDT)
____Monica Lewinsky Downunder -:- One swallow does'nt make a? -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:22:43 (EDT)
__Don -:- All you idiot ex-premie's -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:01:37 (EDT)
____cp -:- automatic bank withdrawals -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:48:43 (EDT)
______Wahahademars -:- automatic bank withdrawals -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 17:18:50 (EDT)
______Mary M -:- automatic bank withdrawals -:- Mon, May 31, 1999 at 11:08:50 (EDT)
____gregg -:- All you idiot premies -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:52:36 (EDT)
____Sir Dave -:- He'll be doing it like this -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 20:13:01 (EDT)
______Marianne -:- Hmmmm, tax consequences? -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 20:55:46 (EDT)
________Mary M -:- Hmmmm, tax consequences? -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 21:46:03 (EDT)
__________Marianne -:- Thanks, doll -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 21:53:01 (EDT)
__________Liz -:- Hmmmm, tax consequences? -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 16:39:35 (EDT)
____________Mare -:- Hmmmm, tax consequences? -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 19:36:44 (EDT)
______Mary M -:- He'll be doing it like this -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 21:22:50 (EDT)
________Nim -:- He'll be doing it like this -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 12:05:08 (EDT)
__________Mary M -:- He'll be doing it like this -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 13:56:25 (EDT)
____________Nim -:- He'll be doing it like this -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 17:23:57 (EDT)
______________selene -:- He'll be doing it like this -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 00:12:56 (EDT)
________________Mary M -:- He'll be doing it like this -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 00:26:44 (EDT)
__________________Selene -:- He'll be doing it like this -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 18:51:00 (EDT)
____________________Mary M -:- He'll be doing it like this -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 19:47:00 (EDT)
______________________selene -:- He'll be doing it like this -:- Mon, May 31, 1999 at 17:54:57 (EDT)
__________Blue Jay -:- He'll be doing it like this -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 14:43:08 (EDT)
____________Nim -:- Over here Mare!!! -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 18:59:36 (EDT)
______________Gail -:- Who ate the red off your candy -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 19:28:47 (EDT)
______________Mary M -:- Over here Mare!!! -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 19:52:08 (EDT)
________________Nim -:- Over here Mare!!! -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 22:01:14 (EDT)
__________________Jim -:- Look who's talking, Nim -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 22:34:29 (EDT)
____________________Marianne -:- What's up, Nim? -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 22:45:01 (EDT)
______________________Jim -:- What's up, Nim? -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 22:52:39 (EDT)
________________________Nim -:- What's up, Nim? -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 02:19:38 (EDT)
__________________________SPARTAKUS -:- What's up, Nim? -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 03:58:11 (EDT)
______________________Nim -:- What's up, Nim? -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 01:57:05 (EDT)
________________________Marianne -:- What's up, Nim? -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 10:40:08 (EDT)
____________________Nim -:- Look who's talking, Jim -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 01:30:47 (EDT)
______________________Jim -:- I'll put this really simply -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 17:52:43 (EDT)
________________________Nim -:- I'll put this really simply -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 23:48:55 (EDT)
__________________Mary M -:- Over here Nim -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 00:22:45 (EDT)
____________________Nim -:- Over here Nim -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 01:45:17 (EDT)
______________________Mary M -:- For You NIM -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 02:30:48 (EDT)
________________________Nim -:- For You Mare -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 04:30:24 (EDT)
__________________________Mare -:- For You NIM -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 12:40:39 (EDT)
____________________________Marianne -:- For You Mare -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 15:00:13 (EDT)
______________________observer -:- Over here Nim -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 02:31:32 (EDT)
________________________Mary M -:- Linguinne Alfredo (OT) -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 02:41:11 (EDT)
________________________Nim -:- Over here Nim -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 02:57:12 (EDT)
__________________________Contrary Mary -:- Ain't too proud to beg.... -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 03:19:24 (EDT)

Happy -:- More book hints -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:21:53 (EDT)
__RT -:- The Next 'Play ' will be... -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 14:55:30 (EDT)
____Happy -:- The Next 'Play ' will be... -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:00:27 (EDT)

Jean-Michel -:- Download The EV-DLM Papers! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:06:09 (EDT)

JHB -:- Greetings from Latvia! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 11:03:22 (EDT)
__selene -:- Greetings from Latvia! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:20:22 (EDT)
____KB -:- Greetings from Latvia! -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 20:46:26 (EDT)
__Jethro -:- To JHB -:- Mon, May 31, 1999 at 18:21:50 (EDT)

Jerry -:- Eternal Life -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:38:35 (EDT)
__Sir Dave -:- Eternal Life -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 09:33:27 (EDT)
____Jerry -:- Eternal Life -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 09:56:29 (EDT)
______Sir Dave -:- There's one born every minute -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:15:02 (EDT)
________Happy -:- There's one born every minute -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:23:34 (EDT)
__________Sir Dave -:- There's one born every minute -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 13:14:34 (EDT)
____________Happy -:- Two per second -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:54:20 (EDT)
______________student -:- Two per second -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 17:13:22 (EDT)
________Robyn -:- There's one born every minute -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:18:26 (EDT)
__________Malthus -:- There's one born every minute -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:25:44 (EDT)
____________Robyn -:- There's one born every minute -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:28:21 (EDT)
__Mike -:- Eternal Life -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 10:50:43 (EDT)
____gregg -:- Eternal Life...download now! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 11:55:59 (EDT)
______Mike -:- Katwheezle, doesn't think -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 14:26:03 (EDT)
__JW -:- Question -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:46:53 (EDT)
____Jerry -:- Question -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:08:25 (EDT)
______JW -:- Question -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 19:56:36 (EDT)

spartakus -:- class action suit -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 01:31:33 (EDT)
__Catweasel -:- No Class,No Action,No Suit!!! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 04:47:02 (EDT)
____Zac -:- The Bucket Story! Are You Nuts -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 06:28:24 (EDT)
______Gail -:- Hey, Cat. The Leaky Bucket! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 06:56:07 (EDT)
________square eyed -:- crap measel -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 07:27:43 (EDT)
__________Catweasel -:- Too OLD Too SLOW!!!!! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:09:28 (EDT)
____________REd Bird -:- Too OLD Too SLOW!!!!! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:20:09 (EDT)
______________Mike -:- Why is anyone -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 10:55:44 (EDT)
________________Catweasel -:- Why is anyoneHere???? -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:10:09 (EDT)
__________________Gail -:- Why is anyoneHere???? -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:05:40 (EDT)
____________________Catweasel -:- Why is anyoneHere???? -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:45:39 (EDT)
________Catweasel -:- ImeanFuckit its only a bucket -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:05:36 (EDT)
______Catweasel -:- A bucket of nuts for Zac? -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 07:58:12 (EDT)
________ZAC -:- A bucket of nuts for Zac? -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:38:26 (EDT)
__________Catweasel -:- The bucket sends Zac nuts! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 10:22:27 (EDT)
____________Zac -:- The bucket sends Zac nuts! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 18:14:43 (EDT)
______________Catweasel -:- You're already nuts Zac -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:52:53 (EDT)
____spartakus -:- No Class,No Action,No Suit!!! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:04:02 (EDT)
______Catweasel -:- No Class,No Action, noSkill -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:14:10 (EDT)
____Magnificent Martian -:- No advice -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 09:35:12 (EDT)
______Catweasel -:- No advice -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 10:25:19 (EDT)
________Magnificent Martian -:- No advice -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 10:00:44 (EDT)
__________Catweasel -:- Nothing -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 12:00:33 (EDT)
__Spartacus -:- class action suit -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:28:32 (EDT)
____spartacus -:- class action suit -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 09:12:28 (EDT)
______Walter -:- class action suit -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 11:45:28 (EDT)
________Stevei -:- Scientology Shut down Remailer -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 11:57:33 (EDT)
__________Walter -:- Scientology Shut down Remailer -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 13:31:55 (EDT)
____________Stevei -:- Scientology Shut down Remailer -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 17:22:01 (EDT)
______________Walter -:- Thanks Stevei (nt) -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 21:04:17 (EDT)
________Catweasel -:- class action suit-Dead Hand! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:18:55 (EDT)
__________Marianne -:- class action suit -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:49:00 (EDT)
____________The Brief From the South -:- class action suit -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:56:35 (EDT)
______________Mary M -:- class action suit -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 23:09:39 (EDT)
________________Marianne -:- class action suit -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 23:20:51 (EDT)
__________________Mary M -:- class action suit -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 23:40:19 (EDT)
____________________Marianne -:- class action suit -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 23:47:53 (EDT)
______________________Adele Laid -:- class action suit -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 05:02:38 (EDT)
________________________Magnificent Martian -:- class action suit -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 10:13:55 (EDT)
__________________________Marianne -:- class action suit -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 11:37:30 (EDT)
__________________________Adele Laid -:- class action suit -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 12:13:17 (EDT)
____________________________Gail -:- class action suit -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 16:23:42 (EDT)
______________________________Liz -:- Gail goes to Amaroo -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 23:38:05 (EDT)
________________________________Gail -:- Daya's - Liar & Thief -:- Mon, May 31, 1999 at 13:17:08 (EDT)
__________________________________BOJ -:- Daya's - Luncheon -:- Mon, May 31, 1999 at 13:42:54 (EDT)
__________________________________Gail -:- Daya's-Liar & Thief con't -:- Mon, May 31, 1999 at 15:02:00 (EDT)
________cp -:- we have PROOF= RATFeeble! NT -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:38:33 (EDT)
__________Walter -:- we have PROOF= RATFeeble! NT -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 21:35:47 (EDT)
____________cp -:- we have PROOF= RATFeeble! NT -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:27:05 (EDT)
______________Walter -:- we have PROOF= RATFeeble! NT -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:51:44 (EDT)
______________Catweasel -:- we have PROOF= RATFeeble! NT -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 08:29:30 (EDT)

Jim -:- Enough already! (further ot) -:- Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 23:16:30 (EDT)
__Catweasel -:- Enough already! I,m going BLI -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 05:07:02 (EDT)
____A proud 14'' X 6'' -:- Penis envy strikes the Weasel! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:44:40 (EDT)
______wondering -:- Penis envy strikes the Weasel! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 17:47:27 (EDT)
____Jim -:- Barney, please get rid of him -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 20:55:49 (EDT)
______Nim -:- Barney, please get rid of him -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 21:25:12 (EDT)
______Catweasel -:- Barney, please get rid of him -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 04:48:07 (EDT)
________Jim -:- Barney, please get rid of him -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 14:11:04 (EDT)
__________Catweasel -:- Barney, please get rid of him -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 10:22:08 (EDT)
____________Jim -:- Fine then -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 17:25:16 (EDT)
__GI -:- Enough already! (further ot) -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:53:20 (EDT)
____GI -:- To Zac: inactive, same thread -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 09:07:36 (EDT)
______Zac -:- To GI: inactive, same thread -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 18:33:02 (EDT)
________GI -:- To Zac: inactive, same thread -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 12:31:35 (EDT)
____Jim -:- Really? -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 11:25:36 (EDT)
______GI -:- Really? -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:34:34 (EDT)
________Jerry -:- Help me, GI -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:01:25 (EDT)
__________Mike -:- Thanks, Jerry -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:13:17 (EDT)
____________Jerry -:- You're welcome -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:22:04 (EDT)
__________GI -:- Help me, Rhonda, yeah! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 17:06:47 (EDT)
____________Jerry -:- You're in denial -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 00:46:52 (EDT)
______________Gerry -:- My Luck -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 16:15:31 (EDT)
________Jim -:- Yeah, GI, interpret for us -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 21:00:55 (EDT)
__________GI -:- Yeah, GI, interpret for us -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 12:44:21 (EDT)
____________Helen -:- Maharaji is master hooker -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 13:00:50 (EDT)
____________Jim -:- You're a coward, GI -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 16:41:11 (EDT)
______________GI -:- You're a co-ward, GI -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 18:09:35 (EDT)
________________Jim -:- Descartes was wrong -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 18:34:18 (EDT)
__________________GI -:- You could be too -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 21:41:24 (EDT)
____________________Jim -:- You're avoiding again -:- Sat, May 29, 1999 at 22:12:17 (EDT)
______________________GI -:- You're voiding again -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 10:06:59 (EDT)
________________________Jim -:- End of discussion: you lost -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 17:22:38 (EDT)
________________________Gerry -:- would you be offended if I -:- Sun, May 30, 1999 at 20:25:19 (EDT)
__________________________GI -:- would you be offended if I -:- Mon, May 31, 1999 at 00:32:15 (EDT)
____________________________gerry -:- No offense -:- Mon, May 31, 1999 at 13:54:04 (EDT)
______________________________GI -:- No offense -:- Mon, May 31, 1999 at 14:25:13 (EDT)

Jean-Michel -:- Geocities's down? -:- Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 17:15:09 (EDT)
__TJ -:- Geocities's down? -:- Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 18:59:22 (EDT)
____Jean-Michel -:- Then I have a problem! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 04:23:07 (EDT)

Careless Castinyoga -:- PRACHAR WARS ch 1 of 2: a play -:- Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 16:10:58 (EDT)
__Careless Castinyoga -:- PRACHAR WARS ch 2 of 3: a play -:- Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 16:22:19 (EDT)
____Happy -:- Great! -:- Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 16:29:47 (EDT)
____Careless Castinyoga -:- PRACHAR WARS ch 3 of 3: a play -:- Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 16:32:18 (EDT)
______Diz -:- PRACHAR WARS ch 3 of 3: a play -:- Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 19:37:28 (EDT)
____A Secret Admirer -:- I laughed so hard that I -:- Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 17:20:22 (EDT)
______Will the instructors ever -:- retire? When Darth Smithius -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 00:41:37 (EDT)
__spartakus -:- PRACHAR WARS ch 1 of 2: a play -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 01:11:03 (EDT)

Walter -:- More Phase II -:- Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 13:19:39 (EDT)
__Blue Bird -:- More Phase II -:- Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 13:35:13 (EDT)
____Mike -:- BWAH! HA! HA! HA! HA! -:- Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 14:05:27 (EDT)
______Mary M -:- BWAH! HA! HA! HA! HA! -:- Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 20:34:48 (EDT)
________Robyn -:- BWAH! HA! HA! HA! HA! -:- Fri, May 28, 1999 at 07:29:39 (EDT)


Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 14:20:05 (EDT)
From: Current and Future Premie
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: All you idiot ex-premie's
Message:
Hey all Idiot's! (including Gail)--Now you don't have to worry about being banned from the events. You can get his live satellite feed right in your own worthless homes! Enjoy, if you can.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 14:31:33 (EDT)
From: we win-you lose
Email: None
To: Current and Future Premie
Subject: All you idiot ex-premie's
Message:
bet you're pissed we shut down the fat slob so he can no longer hold public programming sessions without fear of ex's infiltrating and disrupting the show. Not to mention the picketing and leafleting in all cities in North American where lard ass will attempt his cult indoctrinatiopn.

And now it looks like we'll fuck with his satelite transmissions as well...hahahahahah

No more darshan highs for you junkies
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:40:50 (EDT)
From: Victoria
Email: None
To: we win-you lose
Subject: picketing and leafleting
Message:
We are?

How do we do that? I've never heard anything about that on the ex-forum.

Sincerely,
Victoria
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 23:08:10 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Victoria
Subject: picketing and leafleting
Message:
Wanna come to Montreal?
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 23:24:35 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: picketing and leafleting
Message:
Gail: Just think, we learned all these skills long ago. How about wheat pasting posters on telephone poles at 1 am? How about going door to door in long dresses with glazed eyes with flyers to undo the harm we did way back when?
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 14:48:52 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Current and Future Premie
Subject: All you idiot ex-premie's
Message:
Gee, thanks. I'll have to tune in. Have you noticed that there aren't too many new premies in your community? Eight years ago I remarked to Lynn that there weren't many people at the event compared to the old days. There are even less now. What future premies? The new people don't stay.

Let's face it; MJ's religion is more demanding with about the same results as other religions--no closer to the indescribable after a lifetime of diligence.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:01:14 (EDT)
From: bes
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: All you idiot ex-premie's
Message:
--no closer to the indescribable after a lifetime of diligence.

I am still alive, and I just on the verge of a breakthrough.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:05:49 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: bes
Subject: Let me know...
Message:
bes: When you are liberated.... I have a few questions for anyone that makes the claim.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:08:09 (EDT)
From: bes
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: Let me know...
Message:
Ok Mike, yes I WILL.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:23:00 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: bes
Subject: Spiritual Breakthroughs
Message:
How many times did we climb all the way up to the 99th step? Just before we got to the 100th one that led to the exit door, we turned around and walked all the way back down. We could feel the heat from the fire burning on the other side of the door, but we just didn't have enough faith and determination.

I wish you the ultimate experience a human can have, whatever that is. I have given up the idea of nirvana for myself; the answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind. I'm going to settle for an expresso and a cigarette.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 18:20:27 (EDT)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: Spiritual Breakthroughs
Message:
I remember that satsang Gail, what a crazy fucked up bastard he is. We'll get him in the end though he..he..he..
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:22:43 (EDT)
From: Monica Lewinsky Downunder
Email: Pass the cigar
To: Gail
Subject: One swallow does'nt make a?
Message:
Plenty in ours Gail but then we're different, are'nt we?Must be doing something wrong?...or right depending on your perspective!
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:01:37 (EDT)
From: Don
Email: None
To: Current and Future Premie
Subject: All you idiot ex-premie's
Message:
Perhaps at some point Maharaji can figure out how to just shunt his droning, incoherent blathering directly into peoples' heads, with an appropriate charge of course, and also with an all important method to shunt funds directly from bank accounts and credit cards. Why waste precious money that Maharaji could be spending on vintage Cadillacs, Rolex watches and gold plumbing, putting on 'events' and making and sending out videos when he can just suck it up directly from the source?
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:48:43 (EDT)
From: cp
Email: None
To: Don
Subject: automatic bank withdrawals
Message:
Don! He has put out a form that allows him to draw funds out of a bank account directly. It is on the back of the Amaroo info pamplet, or was.
Once a premie fills that out and designates the amounts he doesnt have to think about it because it happens automatically
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 17:18:50 (EDT)
From: Wahahademars
Email: None
To: cp
Subject: automatic bank withdrawals
Message:
This is true! Daddy set it up so we can drive mercedes instead of hondas. We don't like to be around them but we like their money.

WHDA
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Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 11:08:50 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: All
Subject: automatic bank withdrawals
Message:
Hi cp,

Thanks for the info. Now, to all premies and ex-premies:

DON'T GIVE YOUR BANK TRANSIT ROUTING or ACCOUNT NUMBER to Rawat's organization.

Use your heads, how many other greasy hands does this number go to? How many 'Corporations' have access to your bank account once you give this info to the Rawrat?

Who is handling the ACH transactions for Rawrat in the US? What is the ROUTING NUMBER of the recipient bank? You don't know do you? If you do, track it down. You can then find out where your money is going.

Ex husbands and ex-wives of premies. Make sure your PWK spouse has not given this info to the rat.

Once a con always a con and there are too many suckers out there. He and his cronies know that.

Just don't let him rip you off anymore than he has.

Sincerely,

Mary with the NACHA hat on;-)
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:52:36 (EDT)
From: gregg
Email: None
To: Don
Subject: All you idiot premies
Message:
Message to annoying premie: premie's should be spelled premies; idiot's should be spelled idiots. You learn something new every day, don't you? Unless, of course, learning new things is dangerous to your belief system.

You see, we know who you are -- we used to be you. And whether we regret it or not (I don't), we have moved on. We live in a bigger world, and, lo and behold, the universal force of love and life is there too -- bright and beautiful. And you don't have to sit in a convention center to get blissed out!

Ex-premiehood is wonderful.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 20:13:01 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Don
Subject: He'll be doing it like this
Message:
The phase 2 plan where he communicates via satalite pay-as-you-go TV will surely be a direct form of fund raising. I imagine he'll have something like QVC, selling photos and Maharaji trinkets like plastic pyramids etc and all you'll have to do is phone a number to place your order by credit card.

Every now and then he will have a participation infomercial where you'll get some grinning, plastic people with an audience of over-acting extras, all getting incredibly enthusiastic about this opportunity to participate, (i.e. donate money via credit card).

Maharaji himself will be on all the time with pre-recorded speeches and interviews and you'll be able to get interactive mode where you can play that Maharaji buzz phrase again and again.

Special weekly TV programs on the Maharaji channel will be 'That Place', 'This Life' and 'Gratitude'.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 20:55:46 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Hmmmm, tax consequences?
Message:
I wonder about the tax consequences of this scheme. For all you folks with info about corporate development, wasn't DLM set up as a religious organization in the beginning, for IRS purposes? Now it's an educational organization? A non-profit? Is that right Joe, Mary, Roger???? GMJ on pay per view ---- I don't think I can stomach it. Maybe they'll sell snake oil.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 21:46:03 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Hmmmm, tax consequences?
Message:
Hi Marianne,

Here's the some of the rundown:

Amnex: Active/Foreign Profit

Amtext: Active/Foreign Profit

Prem Mark Inc: Prem Mark, Inc. (the 'Company'), is wholly owned by The Onae Trust (a Qualified Subchapter S Trust). The Company operates as a distributor of health foods and related products. Sold in 1994.

COMMEX: Florida Profit

Elan Vital: Active/Foreign Non Profit

QUANTUM INCORPORATED: Inactive/Foreign Profit

SEVA CORPORATION OF FLORIDA: Inactive/Florida Profit

SEVA CORPORATION OF AMERICA (FILED IN NEBRASKA): Active/Profit
(Note: This is the company that owns the Malibu Residence, the Helicopter, and the Glider. President: Mary Holle)

CLEAR RESOURCE CORPORATION: Inactive/Florida Profit
(Note: Water Purifying pyramid scheme)

EXECUCORP: Delaware Corporation Active/Foreign Profit

That's part of the picture.

Luv,
Mare
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 21:53:01 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Mary M
Subject: Thanks, doll
Message:
Thanks for the info. I'm just a poor criminal defense attorney. What do I know about corporate machinations?????
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 16:39:35 (EDT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: Mary M
Subject: Hmmmm, tax consequences?
Message:
How can a company own a residence?
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 19:36:44 (EDT)
From: Mare
Email: None
To: Liz
Subject: Hmmmm, tax consequences?
Message:
Hi Liz,

Beats me! Mary Holle is/was (seeing Delaski bailed out of Amtext just this past May 9th could be an indicator that some people want their names off the current filings... ergo is/was)President of SEVA so she would probably know how it works.

Following is the info that
1. Establishes the Address,
2. Establishes Seva and the Absentee Owner as Owners
3. just for kicks the info about SEVA's Bell Helicopter and Glider.

Rawat
Name : RAWAT, PREM PAL SINGH
Pilot's Address : 31334 ANACAPA VIEW DR
MALIBU, CA, 90265-2673
Date of Medical : Oct, 1997
Class of Medical : 1
Pilot Certificates : Airline Transport Pilot
Helicopter
Instrument
Glider Rating
Ratings : Multi-Engine Land
FAA Region : Western/Pacific

Single Family Residence
Land Use: SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE

Property Address: 31334 ANACAPA VIEW DR
MALIBU, CA 90265

Mailing Address: PO BOX 4029 MALIBU CA 90264
Name: SEVA CORPORATION OF AMERICA & ]A
Name Type: Absentee Owner

Toys

Manufacturer Serial Num.: 1660203
Registration Mark(N-Num): N-103PR
Last Registration Activ.: 08-20-1997
Latest Registration Cert: 02-29-1984
Aircraft Manufacturer: BURKHART GROB
Aircraft Model and Ser.: G 103 TWIN II
Year: 1984
Maximum Take-Off Weight: 700 POUNDS
Number of Seats: 2
Engine Manufacturer: NONE
Model Name: NONE
FAA Region of Registrat.: WESTERN
Registration Type: CORPORATION
Aircraft Type: GLIDER
Airworthiness: STANDARD
Engine Type: NO ENGINE
Name: SEVA CORP
Address: PO BOX 1437
THOUSAND OAKS CA
91358

Manufacturer Serial Num.: 1181522
Registration Mark(N-Num): N-10HA
Last Registration Activ.: 07-16-1997
Latest Registration Cert: 12-28-1982
Aircraft Manufacturer: BELL
Aircraft Model and Ser.: 206L
Maximum Take-Off Weight: 3000 POUNDS
Average Cruising Speed: 112 M.P.H.
Number of Seats: 5
FAA Region of Registrat.: WESTERN
Registration Type: CORPORATION
Aircraft Type: ROTOCRAFT
Airworthiness: STANDARD
Name: SEVA CORPORATION
Address: PO BOX 4029
MALIBU CA
90264

xo,
M
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 21:22:50 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: He'll be doing it like this
Message:
Gosh Sir Dave,

When one comes right down to it, what a tawdry, tacky, two bit, SatGuru this guy's become.

I really think he should join forces with Mike Tyson. Oops, I forgot he already has Mr. Clean aka M Dettmers (of the suppository consulting company;-)

Luv,
Mare
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 12:05:08 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Mary M
Subject: He'll be doing it like this
Message:
Oops, I forgot he already has Mr. Clean aka M Dettmers (of the suppository consulting company;-)

Hi Mare!

I was just wondering when you're going to spell out for us what you ACTUALLY KNOW about Dettmers and his business activities, that has led you to make him such a huge focus of your scrutiny of m's empire?

Specifically, since 1996, what leads you to believe that Michael Dettmers is STILL the very close and powerful PAMer standing behind m, that you've made him out to be?

Thanks Mary,
Luv,
Nim
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 13:56:25 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: He'll be doing it like this
Message:
Hey Nim,

I'm not at all certain that Dettmers is still a PAM. I'd imagine he's distanced himself. But don't you agree it's odd all the places his name pops up? Even on Amtext.

I just pass the information on to the forum. I also get a kick out of teasing 'Consulting Companies'. Used to be a consultant so I know the grift;-)

Love,
Mare
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 17:23:57 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Mary M
Subject: He'll be doing it like this
Message:
Hey Mary,

I'm not at all certain that Dettmers is still a PAM.
Well you sure fooled me. I mean you certainly drop his name around often enough, as if he were.

I'd imagine he's distanced himself.
How do you know? What have you heard?
Are you sure it isn't a matter of Dettmers having BEEN distanced by rival PAMers(with m's blessings of course), rather than CHOOSING to be distanced himself?

But don't you agree it's odd all the places his name pops up? Even on Amtext.
Nope, not at all. Dettmers played a big Pam role in m's organisation.
But that's in the past.
Today, he may be nothing more than a fucking defrocked prince of m's corporate empire,and even the information provided by YOURSELF on these pages would support that.
Now lets take a look at Blue Jays post together.
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 00:12:56 (EDT)
From: selene
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: He'll be doing it like this
Message:
Nim
dammit I am trying to stay off here and uninvoled
espescially in the get M shit. but I gotta tell you
You are going for it. heh. I think I am putting some pieces together. Oh man. they don't call it the Web for nothin do they?

and no I don't have to explain to anyone else out there what I am saying. email me
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 00:26:44 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: mem_mcgraw@msn.com
To: selene
Subject: He'll be doing it like this
Message:
Hi Selene,

Clue me in if you can;-)

Love,
mare
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 18:51:00 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Mary M
Subject: He'll be doing it like this
Message:
Hi Mary
geez, I am reding this in the 'light of day' and seeing
that right smack in the middle of your posts it could be easily miunderstood.
Thanks fo rnot reacting like I probably would have -
Nim and I had emailed something it wasn't about you.
Kind of off topic and seeing how it's me, off the wall of course.
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 19:47:00 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: He'll be doing it like this
Message:
Hey Selene,

I think we all need a MOO meeting place!

No problem and thanks for replying.

Luv ya,
mare
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Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 17:54:57 (EDT)
From: selene
Email: None
To: Mary M
Subject: He'll be doing it like this
Message:
I seriously thought about creating a ex or whatever (ex ex too!)
site that was MOO based. But I get so insane even here, I doubt
I could handle it.
Glad all is ok with us.
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 14:43:08 (EDT)
From: Blue Jay
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: He'll be doing it like this
Message:
Nim,

Mary M's information is current through 1998:

AMTEXT
HISTORY
01/29/99
CHARLES NATHAN, PRES
P D POTTER, V PRES
PAULA C BLANCHE, TREAS
DIRECTOR(S):
THE OFFICER(S) and Robert A Jacobs, and Michael V Dettmers.

BUSINESS TYPE: Corporation -
DATE INCORPORATED: 12/04/1985
Profit STATE OF INCORP: Florida

Business started 1985 by officers.
100% of capital stock is owned by officers.
CHARLES NATHAN. Background unavailable.
P D POTTER. Background unavailable.
PAULA C BLANCHE. Background unavailable.
ROBERT A JACOBS. Background unavailable.
MICHAEL V DETTMERS. Background unavailable.

b
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 18:59:36 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Blue Jay
Subject: Over here Mare!!!
Message:
OK MARY, ARE YOU HERE? GREAT!!
First off Blue Jay lies.
Nim,
Mary M's information is current through 1998

Bullshit. And Mare, I think you know why.
What Blue Jay has failed to include in his post is this little quote from the reporting company's report that would clearly qualify that not all the information contained in the report is CURRENT information.This qoute already appeared on the forum in a post from Shamrock;-) on May 01,1999.

01/29/99 On Jan 29,1999 attempts to contact the management of this business have been unsuccessful. An inside source confirmed operation and location.
In other words, regarding Amtext's directors and the officers, their information is based on their PREVIOUS AND LAST contact with a representative of the Amtext staff or management, which was basically god knows when. Do you know when it was?(I've searched Shamrock's entire post but I couldn't find any reference to when this company actually last spoke to a representative of the Amtext staff or management team). BTW its a hoot for me to think of this, because I can just imagine Neiburger directing the non premie part timers in the office to blow this reporting company off. Quite comical to imagine...but you've got to know Neiburger.
(Actually, I'd really like all those non premie part timers at the Amtext office know why they always have to do so much ducking and hiding on their superiors' behalf...just let them know whats REALLY being hidden at Amtext. But I digress.)
The point is that all this reporting company would have had to do in order to find out who the CURRENT directors and officers of Amtext are, is go to the very link you provided us all with here at the forum to the ' FLORIDA DIVISION OF CORPORATIONS, PUBLIC ACCESS.' After all, Amtext can hide from a 'Dunn and Bradstreet' like reporting company, but they can't hide from the Florida Division of Corporations.
And my precious Mary M...you know as well as I do, that if you take a look at the Amtext documents from the Florida Division of Corporations...it is very clear that Michael Dettmers has fook all to do with Amtext. He is NOT listed as an officer or director, and for very good reason. HE ISN'T ONE!!
Now Mare, I beg of you, please don't be confused by this.
Let the premies be confused.
But not you and me.
We don't have to be anymore. And as long as we're really dedicated to speaking the truth about what we KNOW of m and his trip and not sell the good folks listening in alot of sizzle...well I think we can AVOID alot of confusion.
Speaking of confusion, go ahead...why don't you tell me WHAT ELSE Dettmers has going(or that you think he has going) that has caused you to drop his name around, as if he were STILL as dominant within m's organisation as he once used to be?
Tell me Mary, really... I just want to help.
Love,
Nim
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 19:28:47 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: Who ate the red off your candy
Message:
Nimmy:

You seem a trifle ticked. I've tried contacting you. I hope everything is ok. :(
What is the definition of deja moo?
I've heard that bull before! :)
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 19:52:08 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: Over here Mare!!!
Message:
Hi Nim,

Speaking of confusion, go ahead...why don't you tell me WHAT ELSE Dettmers has going(or that you think he has going) that has caused you to drop his name around, as if he were STILL as dominant within m's organisation as he once used to be?

I answered this one already ... I like to spoof on the Consulting Industry's Grift Techniques.

Tell me Mary, really... I just want to help.

Ditto;-)

Well my friend, I haven't been able to find anything else on Amtext and Charles Nathan. You probably know more than I do. The fact that they are able to skirt around DB is highly unusual. It could be the 'cash cow' behind the entire op.

I just think m's empire is bigger than most of us know. Amtext is Foreign Profit so there are probably ops out there we don't know of. Do you have any connections with anyone at Amtext to find out?

Love,
Mare
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 22:01:14 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Mary M
Subject: Over here Mare!!!
Message:
Hi Mare,

I answered this one already ... I like to spoof on the Consulting Industry's Grift Techniques.
As a defence for throwing someone's name around, tossing it into the discussion as you seem to do almost on a daily basis, regardless of the implications...thats a pretty poor excuse.
Do you feel that is responsible?
What if mentioning Dettmers name over and over as you do portrays a false picture to onlookers and even our fellow forum participants, of what the true power structure of m's operation is all about?
Because, if you can't prove that Dettmers is a significant part of that power structure, and may I say that the very documents you furnished us with, point to the conclusion that he no longer is...
then,
does the fact that YOU like to spoof on the Consulting Industry's Grift Techniquesreally JUSTIFY your confusing the picture of what this power structure around m is all about?

Well my friend, I haven't been able to find anything else on Amtext and Charles Nathan. You probably know more than I do
O common Mare! You did fookn GREAT!! And we all love you for it!!! You provided us with the link to the FLORIDA DIVISION OF CORPORATIONS, and now we KNOW who Chuck Nathan is as a MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. All thanks to you!
Now once again Charles B.'Chuckie Cheese ' Nathan is the president of Amtext, the head honcho of the whole shebang. (TextMart and Commex are in effect divisions of the overall AMTEXT operation,even though they're set up as seperate companies.)

The fact that they are able to skirt around DB is highly unusual
Not really. Think of these guys as super premies. When it comes to ducking and running, cheat and deceipt...no one's finer than the Amtext management team!
I've seen them operate up close over a four year period. I believe I'm qualified to say this.

It could be the 'cash cow' behind the entire op.
No doubt it IS a major cash cow, much more significant than anything Dettmers has been able and/or willing to do for m recently, but there are others.

I just think m's empire is bigger than most of us know. Amtext is Foreign Profit so there are probably ops out there we don't know of
Yes, and I've already agreed with you, but is this now another ineffective justification for your Dettmers mania, or are you just changing the subject??

Do you have any connections with anyone at Amtext to find out?
Mare, if you can't figure out by now, that NO member of the Amtext management team is going to part with the kind of info we're looking for here...well really, you must be confused.
That or you're cleverly diverting the discussion.
Oh well, I tried.
But hold on Mare...maybe I can think of something?!
I'll get back to you.
Later
Love,
Nim
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 22:34:29 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: Look who's talking, Nim
Message:
Yes, and I've already agreed with you, but is this now another ineffective justification for your Dettmers mania, or are you just changing the subject??

Nim,

What the hell is wrong with you? If you're not blaming one person for not jumping all over the Amtext issue exactly as you are, you're blaming another. And if they don't give you the answers you want, you start accusing them of being 'spies' or something. Jesus Christ, man!

Here's what I think:

1) Your experience with Amtext is unique amongst the people here. You were a long-time company man who onyl recently left not just the business but the cult behind the business. You were burned and exploited and, worse, made to rationalize away all the bullshit you endured for all that time with a cult-smile on your face. You've got the names and faces of the assholes who exacted all this on you burned indelibly in your mind. No wonder you've got an extreme hate-on for Amtext, its principles and minions and the fat cat behind it all. But you can never expect the rest of us to share your particular visceral anger over this. We weren't there. We can share some of your indignation. We can join you, encourage you and applaud your efforts in trying to expose the whole deceitful operation but don't expect, let alone, demand, the same personal animus you've got. For that you're going to probably need to find another recent Amtext escapee.

2) Much as people here have welcomed you to the discussions, warmly thaked you for all your input, tried to be just, well, I don't know ... 'friendly' with you, you've blown some of these gestures away with fanatical self-rightiousness. I won't go through the names of the people you've not just unfiarly but virtualyl irrationally sneered at. You know who they are. You owe them all apologies.

3) Chill out and appreciate that Barney, Mary, even Denise, are really as genuine as you think you are. That's the truth, man. If you've got a real case otherwise I'd love to hear it. But, for my money, you don't and until I hear otherwise I'm going to extend the same basic trust to them as you expect others to grant you. These are your friends, Nim. Your friends.
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 22:45:01 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: What's up, Nim?
Message:
Nim: I agree with Jim's sentiments. Your seem really angry at Mary, and it seems misdirected. I don't know your story -- I'm only able to put it together by bits and pieces from what you say and from what others say to you. You can tell from my posts that I've been out for decades. I for one would appreciate it if you could give us a post on Amtext --- what it is, how it got started, who ran it, why it is so demonic and possibly less than law abiding (something I do not doubt), and what Charles Nathan's story is. If you doubt who I am, you can check with Joe, Mary, or Jim. They have all spoken to me and Joe has met me.

In the meantime, the only person I can tell that's truly trying to destabilize the site by interrupting and diverting discussion is the cat.
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 22:52:39 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: What's up, Nim?
Message:
Marianne,

The thing is Nim's already given us all sorts of info on Amtext. Lots and lots. And, for what it's worth, I agree with him that Amtext deserves its own special page on this or some other related site. Maybe if he asks nicely his good friend Barney might even oblige. Maybe not. Maybe what Nim'll have to do is put up his own Amtext site and link it or something. I don't know. I'm just sitting at the bar, so to speak.

Personally, I think Nim's just caught up in what must be a difficult transition out of the cult and the cult-based livelihood he'd relied on for so long. But he's got to learn to recognize what colour jerseys are okay and who's wearing them.
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 02:19:38 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: What's up, Nim?
Message:
I believe I'm capable of answering Marianne's post on my own.

The thing is Nim's already given us all sorts of info on Amtext. Lots and lots. And, for what it's worth, I agree with him that Amtext deserves its own special page on this or some other related site.
Now you're being a total prick!
It was Brian who first mentioned that amtext should be given its own page on this site. Others have asked for the info to be compiled.
I didn't come here to get a fucking Amtext page and it isn't my idea! And thats a fact!
So there will be no sucking up to our new webmaster for anything.
I did my sucking up internship in the ashram and at Amtext.
I don't need to do anymore here.

Personally, I think Nim's just caught up in what must be a difficult transition out of the cult and the cult-based livelihood he'd relied on for so long. But he's got to learn to recognize what colour jerseys are okay and who's wearing them.
Now who da fuck is wearing jerseys and what colors are they anyways?
AND more importantly, whats the sport we're playing?
Maybe we don't need jerseys to play this game...maybe we can play topless??
Did you ever think of that?!
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 03:58:11 (EDT)
From: SPARTAKUS
Email: TOPLESS
To: Nim
Subject: What's up, Nim?
Message:
HI NIM ! oil and water cant mix . and the truth, will always win! fatso will never attack, he knows the saying ' when you live in a house of glass, you dont throw stones' we have been victims of the gretest majician (remembr), we have concord his spail. now we have to concour him. read my post on the ANTICRIST CRUCEDE . SPARTAKUS.
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 01:57:05 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: What's up, Nim?
Message:
I for one would appreciate it if you could give us a post on Amtext --- what it is, how it got started, who ran it, why it is so demonic and possibly less than law abiding (something I do not doubt), and what Charles Nathan's story is.
I've posted much information on Amtext already, and shortly I'll begin compiling it and submit it to the forum.

If you doubt who I am, you can check with Joe, Mary, or Jim. They have all spoken to me and Joe has met me.
That won't be necessary. I don't doubt who you are.

Thank you Marianne.
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 10:40:08 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: What's up, Nim?
Message:
Nim: Thank you for responding. I've been on the Forum for about 3 months. From the posts I've read, I've gotten a fair idea, I think, of what Amtext is. Joe filled me in a bit too. You seem to have had the most direct and long term involvement, so that's why I've asked you directly. I haven't searched much of the archives for this information, but given that new folks are always showing up, it makes sense to me that important background information be repeated from time to time. I'm looking forward to hearing more from you.

Thanks again.
Marianne
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 01:30:47 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Look who's talking, Jim
Message:
What the hell is wrong with you?
Nice way to start a conversation.

If you're not blaming one person for not jumping all over the Amtext issue exactly as you are, you're blaming another.
Well actually, I thought it was the Dettmers issue.
With the incredible attention this guy has received from both Mary M here on the forum, and our webmaster in his Drek site, I thought it was time to question the basis for it..if it was warranted.
And I didn't feel that I was jumping all over Mary M even though information presented regarding Dettmers involvement in Amtext was FACTUALLY wrong, a matter of public record so to speak, and not just my take on the issue.
Now please refresh my memory. Besides Mark Appleman, who have I clashed with over Amtext?(Besides thats not much of a clash...the guy just runs away)
Oh ya, there was Nil who I pressed on the issue and legitimately so...he made claims about m's financial house being all in order so I wanted to know if Amtext was part of that house.
But what IS this clashing with one person after another over Amtext that you suggest I've been involved in
Can you review it for me...I really don't get it.

And if they don't give you the answers you want, you start accusing them of being 'spies' or something
Where in my posts to Mary M did I even come close to referring to her in that manner? Where?!

Here's what I think:
Thank you for an excellent interpretation and analysis of my Amtext situation. Really.(I just hope the bill isn't already in the mail:)
I thought it was great until you got to the 'But'
But you can never expect the rest of us to share your particular visceral anger over this. We weren't there. We can share some of your indignation. We can join you, encourage you and applaud your efforts in trying to expose the whole deceitful operation but don't expect, let alone, demand, the same personal animus you've got.
I never expected, let alone demanded that of anyone on this forum and am truly sorry that you feel that way.

Much as people here have welcomed you to the discussions, warmly thaked you for all your input, tried to be just, well, I don't know ... 'friendly' with you, you've blown some of these gestures away with fanatical self-rightiousness. I won't go through the names of the people you've not just unfiarly but virtualyl irrationally sneered at. You know who they are. You owe them all apologies
Go fuck yourself, you ego maniacal prick!!
Maybe I'll take lessons from YOU in the way you treat Robyn for example?!
Oooh, that'll make me more friendly for sure!
Or maybe I should take lessons from the way in which you treat ANYBODY who disagrees with you?!
Hey common Jim, why don't you write me a handbook?
The 'Jim Heller Handbook for Healthy Social Relations'
and the three cardinal rules:
patronize, then patronize again, then patronize still a little more
Well, I guess I actually AM sneering at you now, but am I being unfair or irrational?
Sorry, forget I asked.

Chill out and appreciate that Barney, Mary, even Denise, are really as genuine as you think you are. That's the truth, man. If you've got a real case otherwise I'd love to hear it. But, for my money, you don't and until I hear otherwise I'm going to extend the same basic trust to them as you expect others to grant you. These are your friends, Nim. Your friends.
Barney and Denise were not the subject of my posts to Mary. AND I didn't realize that I had questioned her 'genuineness', just her presentation or perhaps mispresentation of facts regarding Dettmers and his relationship to Amtext, and the overall hype that has surrounded this guy on these pages and in the Dreks site.
If Mary felt that her genuineness was being questioned then I certainly, sincerely apologize to her.
But I still have more questions, more that I would like to discuss on this subject and I hope that can happen.
Not along the lines of questioning the validity of people, but the validity of information that has been presented on this forum.
Thats what I was trying to do here.
Believe it or not.
I guess Rob and Shp are at the program in Miami, and you're a little bored, huh Jim?
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 17:52:43 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: I'll put this really simply
Message:
Nim,

First, the Dettmers issue. Personally, I find Dettmers worth following up on for the simple reason that he exploited the cult, worked it to his own selfish end and apparently left a little richer than I did. I would get a lot of satisfaction knowing exactly how he did that and, better still, rocking his boat a bit. Sure, this might not affect M directly but whatever. I also think others feel similarly; hence the interest.

Second, Amtext. Yes, yes, yes, by all means, turn the lgiths on this puppy! Yes, yes, yes, flush out that secret money link. I'm not patronizing you! As you know, as you must know, I think this could indeed be the critical arrow for M's balloon. I'm just asking you to chill a bit. If you don't know where you've been otherwise, I'm not going to tell you. If you can't see it, I'm not going to try to walk you through it. And if you now say that you're not questioning Mary's, Barney's or good ol' Denise's 'genuineness' as ex's, fine. My imagination and my apologies.

I'm not saying you need to get along with everyone here. It's not that. Obviously, I don't get along with all. Whatever. But I do think you have to accept the fact that ex's are ex's and work from there.
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 23:48:55 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I'll put this really simply
Message:
If you don't know where you've been otherwise, I'm not going to tell you. If you can't see it, I'm not going to try to walk you through it.
I think I do know. I believe I can see.
I just don't'know' it or 'see' it the same way as you.

And if you now say that you're not questioning Mary's, Barney's or good ol' Denise's 'genuineness' as ex's, fine. My imagination and my apologies.
Thats not what I'm saying at all.
I'm saying that I NEVER questioned Mary's 'genuineness', and that Barney and Denise were not even mentioned in the post you jumped all over.
If that answer isn't 'correct' enough for you or serve the interests of your 'Forum Iber Ales' philosophy, you know where you can put it.
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 00:22:45 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: Over here Nim
Message:
Geez Louise Nim,

Well friend, it's time for you to put your money where your mouth is. Have a blast!

Edgar OnLine

Research

Colorado Public Records

Still Luv Ya,
mare
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 01:45:17 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Mary M
Subject: Over here Nim
Message:
I still luv ya too, Mary, but if there's something you KNOW that would justify all your Dettmers hype, why don't you just come out with it, instead of playing these games?
I've made the point re Amtext...its a matter of public record that Dettmers IS NOT an officer or director of that company.
So now, what else is there Mary?
Why don't YOU put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is?!
Still luv ya too,
Nim
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 02:30:48 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: For You NIM
Message:
Hi Nim,

Oye Vey! I don't think I'm playing games! There's nothing I know that hasn't been posted.

Mary, but if there's something you KNOW that would justify all your Dettmers hype, why don't you just come out with it, instead of playing these games?

Perhaps I have mentioned MD a bit. If I find another piece of the puzzle I put it on the forum. I personally feel many premies were ripped off in the early years and didn't have a clue all these corporations were being staged for the benefit of M. I tend to agree with you that MD is probably not as big a PAM MAN anymore. Why should he be?

Why don't YOU put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is?!

You've got my e-mail luv. We'll talk about this off forum. Suffice it to say I've been blocked out of some cyber land information areas. Weird.

Back to Amtext and Commex, you're right, these guys are slick. I haven't come up with any Commex info other than it was disqualified from the Prem Mark umbrella shield in 1986. And Nim, if only for you I'd love to unravel this AMTEXT/COMMEX thing. They're hunkered down so low it would take a nit picker to spot them.

BTW - I'm not a genius but am flattered you thought so.

Love,
Mary
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 04:30:24 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Mary M
Subject: For You Mare
Message:
I tend to agree with you that MD is probably not as big a PAM MAN anymore. Why should he be?
Well, IF he's listed on a lot of corporations that we know are dedicated to m, then he WOULD BE a major PAM.
Do you have any info that would support that? Does ANYONE??
I know, I already asked...sorry to be such a noodge.

You've got my e-mail luv.
I just love it when you call me 'luv'!
Can you do that again?!

Back to Amtext and Commex, you're right, these guys are slick. I haven't come up with any Commex info other than it was disqualified from the Prem Mark umbrella shield in 1986. And Nim, if only for you I'd love to unravel this AMTEXT/COMMEX thing. They're hunkered down so low it would take a nit picker to spot them
O Mary, sweet preciousness, there's really not much left to unravel there. We've unravelled ALOT right here on the forum.
About the only thing we don't know is precisely how the money is delivered to m. A mere technicality.
But we do have have a solid basis for providing a reasonable estimate of how much that money actually amounts to over the years.
And we know that its the premie directors officers who own the shares... not m, or any other Rawat.
We actually know alot about Amtext/Commex/Text Mart, and to know any more we might need a defection from the Amtext premie managers, or a really top level PAM might do the trick.
But you and I don't have to talk about Amtext.
Thats settled. We know who the directors officers of the company are, and Dettmers isn't one of them.
You'll agree that its a matter of public record, won't you?

BTW - I'm not a genius but am flattered you thought so.
I KNOW IT, MARY BABE!! I KNOW IT!!

Love to you ,
Nim
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 12:40:39 (EDT)
From: Mare
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: For You NIM
Message:
NIM LUV,

I just love it when you call me 'luv'!
Can you do that again?!


Is 'sweetie' ok too;-)

We know who the directors officers of the company are, and Dettmers isn't one of them.

You'll agree that its a matter of public record, won't you?


For NIM and the Public Record:

Florida Annual Filings by Paula Blanche for Amtext

Amtext - April 14, 1999

President: Charles B Nathan
Secretary: Susan Alaimo
Treasurer: Paula C Blanche
DAS (Whatever that is) : Robert A Jacobs
The VD left;-)

Amtext - March 30, 1998

President: Charles B Nathan
Secretary: Susan Alaimo
Treasurer: Paula C Blanche
DAS (Whatever that is) : Robert A Jacobs
VD: Don Delaski of DELTEK

Daytime Phone of Filer: (305) 892-0900

Amtext - April 23, 1997

President: Charles B Nathan
Secretary: Susan Alaimo
Treasurer: Paula C Blanche
DAS (Whatever that is) : Robert A Jacobs
VD: Don Delaski of DELTEK

Amtext - April 24, 1996

President: Charles B Nathan
Secretary: Susan Alaimo
Treasurer: Paula C Blanche
DAS (Whatever that is) : Robert A Jacobs
VD: Don Delaski of DELTEK

YES, YES, YES, YES I agree that as of 1996 the Officers/Directors of Amtext do not include Michael D.

Now be nice to me today NIM or I'm coming to kidnap you and dunk you in the springs with the snapping turtles! Don't worry I'd never feed you to the gators;-)

Luv ya,
Mare
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 15:00:13 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Mare
Subject: For You Mare
Message:
I'd go swimming with the gators for you anytime, Mare! I think that getting the corporate officers straight is an important thing. I also think that the Dettmers connection is very important. I think I'll word process a few pages of Sophia's book into the Forum about Dettmer's emergence in Denver so we can see how someone on the inside felt about it at that time.

Doesn't M play favorites with PAMs? Some are on the ascendent sometimes, others are on the shit list... What does it take to get on M's good side vs. his bad side? Is there a difference? Can anyone tell me? You Nim?
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 02:31:32 (EDT)
From: observer
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: Over here Nim
Message:
Nim thats a chicken thing to say if she is giving you a means to prove to yourself.
If she laid it all out in front of you , you would want to know where she got it.
What kind of game are you playing anyway.
What are you trying to establish.
Sounds like you are telling her to get her facts straight one one hand and you wont look at them on the other hand.
signed
observer
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 02:41:11 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Linguinne Alfredo (OT)
Message:
And....

Sometimes I gotta step back from all this. There are so many names, companies, trusts... what have you. After a while it seems like all the names are familiar.

Kind of reminds me of an 'older' individual I knew once who freaked out when she found out her son was homosexual. She became so phobic she couldn't buy milk. I was astounded by this reaction of hers but couldn't figure out the milk part. She later told me all she saw was HOMO-ginezed Milk. She's come a long way on the acceptance curve and even buys milk again.

Love,
mary
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 02:57:12 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: observer
Subject: Over here Nim
Message:
Sounds like you are telling her to get her facts straight one one hand and you wont look at them on the other hand.
Sorry, observer, but what I'm asking is that Mary lay out the facts that has caused her to place so much emphasis on Dettmers...so that we can look at them together. Thats all.
But now Mary seems to agree at least that Dettmers may no longer be the powerful PAMer he once was, and she wants to continue this discussion off forum( I suppose thats if I want to...she won't force me you know, although I almost wish she would:)
So we'll see where it goes from here.
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 03:19:24 (EDT)
From: Contrary Mary
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: Ain't too proud to beg....
Message:
NIM,

We gotta keep some parts offline. Force You????

You know darn well I'll find my pots and pans and chase you all around the threads til you come 'offline' with me;-)

Luv ya,
Mare
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:21:53 (EDT)
From: Happy
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: More book hints
Message:
Some more book hints, not directly about Rawat, but recent books about cults. The more I read about cults, the more I realize that it's a very typical process, with clear stages, and it's very much the same, regardless of cult.

Cults differ with respect to message and form from period to period, but the process people go through - getting hooked ('recruited' or 'converted', 'born-again', whatever), being full-fledged devotees, getting doubts, being fence-sitters, getting out, and, during the post-cult period, having the typical post-cult syndrome - is so much the same.

There's much to learn from these really good books.

Helen & Rick Larsen (1997): Cult Encounter, with An International Story of Exit Counselling. RCS Books, PO Box 90, Nortrh Beach 6020, Australia.

Louise Samways (1994): Dangerous Persuaders. Australia: Penguin Books.

Steven Hassan (1990): Combatting Cult Mind Control. Vermont: Park Street Press.

Michael D Langone(Ed.)(1993): Recovery from Cults. USA: AFF.

Margaret Singer & Janja Lalich (1995): Cults in Our Midst. San Francisco: Jossey-Bass.

Carol Giambalvo (1995): Exit Counselling. USA: AFF.

Robert A. Hinde (1999): Why Gods Persist: A Scientific Approach to Religion. London: Routledge. [not about cults, but about religion in general].
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 14:55:30 (EDT)
From: RT
Email: omm
To: Happy to see this
Subject: The Next 'Play ' will be...
Message:
The Re-Incarnated Adventures of
SURELIKE OMS, CULT DETECTIVE AND DEPROGRAMMER
And his faithful companion, Dr. Join Whatsoon, M.D.

Read all about their first case in the lila we call...

'Dont' Crush that Query, hand me the Liars'

+

thanks for the refs! Maybe in a month a story will be posted.

The fun is in the writing, not the posting. The Fame is Afoot!

RT
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:00:27 (EDT)
From: Happy
Email: None
To: RT
Subject: The Next 'Play ' will be...
Message:
Sure, the fun is in the writing. And you do write well!
But for us who do not have that talent (and who aren't English speakers), reading can be quite good too. Anyway, I look forward to your play, if you write it. I really love your song texts, they are absolutely marvellous!
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:06:09 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Download The EV-DLM Papers!
Message:
and have it on your computer's hard disk (PC or Mac)

Download Page

and tell me if you like it!

Love

jm
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 11:03:22 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Greetings from Latvia!
Message:
Hi Everyone!

Just catching up a little on the forum from an Internet cafe in Latvia. What a nice feeling, being in a country where Maharaji has never been, probably never will visit, and possibly one that Maharaji has never heard of! (what was that at the back there? Most Americans have never heard of it as well? Wash your mouth out!)

Anyway, even without the fat one's presence, the sun is shining, Riga and the coutryside is beautiful, and I have difficulty imagining returning to London.

All the best,

John.

PS. Jethro, my offer to be your guide here is still on!
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:20:22 (EDT)
From: selene
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Greetings from Latvia!
Message:
If you are getting email somehow
HI! and I do know what you mean. It is the first thing I feel
when I leave modern life, that lack of need to think of M
or anti M. Unfortunately 'they' sense fresh blood and do target some of those places. Your Latvia sounds safe for a while to.
Miss you
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 20:46:26 (EDT)
From: KB
Email: None
To: selene
Subject: Greetings from Latvia!
Message:
Glad your having a great time John!
My wife's family is from Lithuania--(down the block
from you).
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Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 18:21:50 (EDT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: To JHB
Message:
Hi JHB,

I will take up your offer sometime. Give me a call when you get back. I've not forgotten the videos.
have agood trip.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:38:35 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Eternal Life
Message:
I've been thinking about someting. DNA. I know. It's an exciting subject. That's why I bring it up. What I've learned about DNA is that the only reason we die (naturally) is because over time our DNA code loses its integrity. What's going to happen if and when science figures out how to maintain DNA's integrity? Won't that eliminate old age and death? I think so. I wouldn't be surprised if a thousand years from now, maybe less, people could live forever if they so choose. I wouldn't be surprised at all.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 09:33:27 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Eternal Life
Message:
Live forever until we all die of starvation through lack of food for the enlarged population.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 09:56:29 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Eternal Life
Message:
What about space travel and colonization? They're already talking about it and how it can be done.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:15:02 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: There's one born every minute
Message:
Or to be precise, there's a baby born somewhere in the world every few seconds (at least). But if we all stopped dying then you'd have to have an awful lot of spacecraft taking thousands upon thousands of people each day to colonise other planets and that's just to keep the Earth's population stable.

The population on these colonised planets would also grow at an exponential rate and then people would have to be shipped off these planets to other new and empty planets and so on.

In our solar system there's only Mars which is suitable for colonisation after a few centuries of terra forming and changing the atmosphere etc. Mars would fill up with immortal people in no time at all and then it's off to find other solar systems with similar small rocky planets.

And how many generations would it take before you lost count of the number of grandchildren you had? There is definitely a mathematical problem once we stop dying and not many people have realised the full implications of it.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:23:34 (EDT)
From: Happy
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: There's one born every minute
Message:
There's two born every second.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 13:14:34 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Happy
Subject: There's one born every minute
Message:
Thanks Happy. That means we'd have to ship over one million people each week off to other planets from the Earth to keep the population stable.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:54:20 (EDT)
From: Happy
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Two per second
Message:
Guess so!
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 17:13:22 (EDT)
From: student
Email: None
To: Happy
Subject: Two per second
Message:
Thats not alot different than managing germ warfare and diseased vaccination campaigns and poisoning the food chain and organizing wars to open US trade to control the population.
Space migrations just involves more mechanics. Lots of trade schools would do well.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:18:26 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Sir Dave
Subject: There's one born every minute
Message:
Dear Jerry and Dave,
And then we could rape the UNIVERSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Science and greed have gotten us where we are today, already with to many people to be supported by the resources available. Don't get me started!!!
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:25:44 (EDT)
From: Malthus
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: There's one born every minute
Message:
Science and greed have gotten us where we are today, already with to many people to be supported by the resources available. Don't get me started!!!

Then why don't you volunteer to leave the planet now, to take a little of the pressure off ole gaia
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:28:21 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Malthus
Subject: There's one born every minute
Message:
Because me and Gaia are tight! :)
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 10:50:43 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Eternal Life
Message:
Jerry, it may be sooner that you think. I've been seeing some pretty tantalizing tidbits on this very subject, lately. This is a definite 'wait and see,' IMHO.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 11:55:59 (EDT)
From: gregg
Email: binduesque@yahoo.com
To: Mike
Subject: Eternal Life...download now!
Message:
I think the likeliest possibility is that we messy water and carbon-based life forms will become obsolete, and silicon-based 'life forms' will be numero uno on the planet. Convenient, since we are rapidly making the planet uninhabitable for humans.

It will be a gradual transition -- one won't be able to download one's consciousness into a gorgeous robot next year -- but you can see the beginnings now. Nanotechnology, genetic tinkering, cyberspace and virtuality, AI, etc.

It sounds kinda Fifties sci-fi ('We no longer require the services of inefficient human beings,' said the robot.), but it seems a perfectly believable scenario to me.

What do you think, Mr. Cat Weasel?
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 14:26:03 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: gregg
Subject: Katwheezle, doesn't think
Message:
Gregg: Because garden implements can't think....:-)

As to the eternal life thing, I know there have been some radical discoveries, of late, that have explained alot about why cells die and stop reproducing/dividing. If they know 'why,' they can figure out how to stop it. At this point, seriously, the geneticists believe they can easily double a human lifetime with what they know right now.... This should be an exciting time, that's for sure.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:46:53 (EDT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Question
Message:
What I've learned about DNA is that the only reason we die (naturally) is because over time our DNA code loses its integrity.

Just a question: is it possible to die unnaturally?
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:08:25 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Question
Message:
Walk out in traffic and see. Just kidding. Natural causes of death is generally referred to as dying of old age. Isn't it?
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 19:56:36 (EDT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Question
Message:
Well, really, I think 'dying of old age' is a meaningless term. You die of SOMETHING -- whether you are old or young. The thing that causes a human body to no longer function is the cause of death -- for many old people it's heart failure, circulation problems, etc. But I don't think any of that, including deaths by accidents, etc., are UNNATURAL.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 01:31:33 (EDT)
From: spartakus
Email: my heart
To: Everyone
Subject: class action suit
Message:
the time have come for the wiery and the week to fight back anybodey who are interrested in joining please post amessage we need to unite against the merchent of rainbows!!!!!
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 04:47:02 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Tell him He's dreamin!!!!
To: spartakus
Subject: No Class,No Action,No Suit!!!
Message:
There seems to be a massive contradiction in Terms here!Being totally without class, I doubt you could get this one of the ground,let alone fly the distance you'd need to go.With LAWYERS like Jim and Marianne,I bags the Defence.What a cakewalk.A small matter,but on what legal grounds ,what precedent?The litigation would have two chances,Buckley's and none.Your just lucky there's no chance of a counter suit;then again......
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 06:28:24 (EDT)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: The Bucket Story! Are You Nuts
Message:
You are certifiable if your telling Gail to 'remember the bucket story' to communicate your message from Maharji to her.

What is the Bucket Story about weed head? It's a story that justifies and is supposed to explain weird, irrational, crazy behavior by the MASTER, Not by you. It doesn't apply to you.

As the Perfect Master of the time HE is the only one allowed to use the bucket story as a way to BUFFULO his followers. You are infringing. LEAVE THE BUCKET STORY OUT OF THIS!
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 06:56:07 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Zac
Subject: Hey, Cat. The Leaky Bucket!
Message:
Yup! That's me, alright--the leaky bucket! MJ gave me his wealth of love and K. I just let it leak out of my many holes. Instead of reacting to this site as you have, I seized my OPPORTUNITY to allow the pus and and doubt I've been harbouring for decades to ooze out. I feel lucky. Did you read my post to Nil about making a fool of myself. My ideas were way over the top. I could have spent the rest of my life in this belief system.

MJ told this bucket story in an effort to get disgruntled premies to shut up. When I first left, a premie recited that story to me. Some of the things you say to others (example: kiss my pussy) would indicate that you are having a leakage problem, too.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 07:27:43 (EDT)
From: square eyed
Email: None
To: thread
Subject: crap measel
Message:
ignore the skateboarding measel. His mom must have fed him sugar.
It sounds like he is 15
(15 year olds please excuse the insult)
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:09:28 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Pensioned Off
To: square eyed
Subject: Too OLD Too SLOW!!!!!
Message:
You sound like your over 50!Cheap and leaden.Like the reverse my Haggard Friend
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:20:09 (EDT)
From: REd Bird
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Too OLD Too SLOW!!!!!
Message:
Is that why M keeps Monica. Ya know, marolyn... too old too slow.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 10:55:44 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: REd Bird
Subject: Why is anyone
Message:
conversing with this run-of-the-mill garden implement? I think it's time to put it back in the shed where it belongs and ignore it until we need it for something.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:10:09 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Hi...Im Mike!!!
To: Mike
Subject: Why is anyoneHere????
Message:
mike...What acute little gringo name.....Mike,so precious, so special,so wet!
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:05:40 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Why is anyoneHere????
Message:
B E T R A Y A L

I am here because I have been betrayed by MJ.

You are here because you wish to protect MJ from the betrayers.

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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:45:39 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: I can be serious
To: Gail
Subject: Why is anyoneHere????
Message:
No ,Gail you are here because you are personally disturbed by particular aspects of your involvement with either E.V or M.J.
You have picked the WRONG place to find answers to your problem, whatever way you cut it!There is nothing here except reactionary
babble.Step outside of the whole frame work of interaction, be objective,and you will get a realistic view of your true postion.
You need a quieter perspective,not inflamed by either pros,or cons.You need time to assess your life,find a nice place;a lovely envoirment,take it easy, and let the movie run for you.But,get away from this shit, its poisoning you.By all means get away from M and whatever contact you may have there.This isn't living.Do you want to end up a sour negative hate freak like Jim?Ive often taken time out to reflect.At least the answer you'll come away with will be exclusively yours.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:05:36 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Dear Eliza
To: Gail
Subject: ImeanFuckit its only a bucket
Message:
Its an analogy.I dont have a'belief' system.As I am a cat and most definitely a weasel,I feel entitled to demand the odd peck on my inner feline!Careful Gail I might SPRAY you!
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 07:58:12 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Lower Primate
To: Zac
Subject: A bucket of nuts for Zac?
Message:
Zac,you're probably incapable of either humour or levity.Being
'fucked up'[your X badge of courage] and 'angry' ,you have to demonstrate your postion but give it a go, your posts are really tiresome.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:38:26 (EDT)
From: ZAC
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: A bucket of nuts for Zac?
Message:
Listen Cat, That post was intended to be funny or witty or something at least mildly entertaining. Because this is a public forum and nobody reads boring. But I also like to stick to the issues. The bucket story is irresponsible hogwash told by someone who doesn't want people to think for themselves.

Answer one question for me: What are you doing here on the forum?
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 10:22:27 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Do you feel as-salted?
To: ZAC
Subject: The bucket sends Zac nuts!
Message:
Obviously annoying the fuck out of you!And it wasn't remotely funny.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 18:14:43 (EDT)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: The bucket sends Zac nuts!
Message:
Ever take a piece of string and play with a cat?
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:52:53 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Talk about Slow
To: Zac
Subject: You're already nuts Zac
Message:
Zac,why do you think I called myself Cat[will play with a thread]
Weasel[Will do what weasels do]I know your really bright,but did that take all your brilliant wit AND 'powers of deduction?'
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:04:02 (EDT)
From: spartakus
Email: my my mind
To: Catweasel
Subject: No Class,No Action,No Suit!!!
Message:
your name says it all !!! the grounds could be maney ( for exmp. brainwashing minors , missleadind promisess , tax evation, the list could go for ever . most importent lets go after his monnies ,assets, airoplan,(ground it through emergancy motion ) remember his story about court and lawyers 1 is lying so catweasel get out of your hole time to fight back ,and to claim what rightfulley our !!!!!!!
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:14:10 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Need I Say More?
To: spartakus
Subject: No Class,No Action, noSkill
Message:
God ;you make me look like a positive Genius!Sorry buddy ,no material evidence.Unsubstantiated heresay,in fact positively libelous.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 09:35:12 (EDT)
From: Magnificent Martian
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: No advice
Message:
Weasel:

Your legal advice is amateurish, much like your diction.

MM
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 10:25:19 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: None
To: Magnificent Martian
Subject: No advice
Message:
I'm better placed than you yah queer Martian.You just never know!
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 10:00:44 (EDT)
From: Magnificent Martian
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: No advice
Message:
Weasel:

I'm better placed than you yah queer Martian.You just never know!

Well, obviously. You're so erudite, and clear! But, times are changing. If Milosevic, Pinochet, and the gun manufacturers (not to mention the cigarette companies) are indictable, why not M? Traditions of non-accountability are falling. I'm sure he'd love the attention, anyway. But perhaps tax evasion is a better approach than a class action civil suit. What do you think, Mr. well-placed weasel? Invulnerable is he?

MM
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 12:00:33 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: None
To: Magnificent Martian
Subject: Nothing
Message:
Well Mr' man from mars',its most unlikely.If it has'nt happened in 28 years why now?Its not an issue.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:28:32 (EDT)
From: Spartacus
Email: None
To: spartakus
Subject: class action suit
Message:
NO, I'M SPARTACUS!!!
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 09:12:28 (EDT)
From: spartacus
Email: None
To: Spartacus
Subject: class action suit
Message:
i'm spartacus!
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 11:45:28 (EDT)
From: Walter
Email: None
To: Spartacus
Subject: class action suit
Message:
A lawsuit against M by his former followers is not going to happen. Many ex-cult followers have tried to sue their cult leader in the past without any success whatsoever. Not one cult leader has ever been successfully sued by followers. Many have tried but it's never been successful.

I was reading where this parent in Colorado has a lawsuit against the parents of the shooters at Columbine H.S. $250,000,000.00 and they don't expect for him to win. The most a person can get for wrongful death in Colorado is $330,000.00.

To sue M you would have to prove that he damaged you in some way, there would have to be testimony from psychologist, etc. or at least business lawyers saying he promised a product or service which he did'nt deliver, and I am sure for everyone who testifies against him M will have someone to testify on his behalf, his PAM's and other hired professionals. There would have to be alot of people coming out against M all saying the same thing, and still there would be alot of people tesifying on M's behalf.

M had a lawsuit in India but I just don't think he'll have one in the west. The best we can do is keep cracking jokes about him and making sarcastic remarks. The ex or disgruntled followers would have to be really focused and organized to even begin the filing of a lawsuit, and it's not something you would want to discuss on the public internet. You would not want to give your strategy away by posting it on a forum like this one.

M is going to have to do something against the government, taxes, etc. or a big EV/VI, or Rawat family scandel in order to bring him down. Rajeneese and Sung Yung Moon both got in trouble with the U.S. Government over taxes, Ex-scientology followers tried to bring its cult leader down without success. It's just a hard thing to do without alot of investment, evidence, etc.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 11:57:33 (EDT)
From: Stevei
Email: None
To: Walter
Subject: Scientology Shut down Remailer
Message:
Did you know that the Scientology shutdown one of the first and most successfull Anonymos Remailers...by taking the owner of the remailer to court in finland...
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 13:31:55 (EDT)
From: Walter
Email: None
To: Stevei
Subject: Scientology Shut down Remailer
Message:
No I did not know this Stevei. By the way, what's a remailer?
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 17:22:01 (EDT)
From: Stevei
Email: None
To: Walter
Subject: Scientology Shut down Remailer
Message:
An anonymous remailer is a mail server that allows you to send mail anonomously without anyone knowing your email address or who you are. Basically it works by striping off all the email headers and forwards your email anon to the receiver. You can also receive mail anon as well....if you are interested you can link to :

http://home.earthlink.net/~rjswan/pgp/#sendanonmail
http://replay.com

Its more sophisticated then just header stripping...you can also encrypt your email using the now famous : PGP email encryption program...
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 21:04:17 (EDT)
From: Walter
Email: None
To: Stevei
Subject: Thanks Stevei (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:18:55 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: None
To: Walter
Subject: class action suit-Dead Hand!
Message:
Thanks Walter ,like I said earlier on this Thread,YOUR DREAMIN!
If you want to see avery funny movie about such things,go and see alittle Aussie Farce called 'The Castle'.Judging by some of the responses here it may go right over a number of your heads.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:49:00 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Spartacus
Subject: class action suit
Message:
I agree with Walter that discussing the legal bases in a public forum like this one is a bad idea. Disclosing legal strategy in a public forum gives up your right to confidentiality of the information, which is usually protected by the attorney-client privilege.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:56:35 (EDT)
From: The Brief From the South
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: class action suit
Message:
Give it a fly Lady Marrianne,cant wait to burn your money and your 'professional standing' ego-tripper.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 23:09:39 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: The Brief From the South
Subject: class action suit
Message:
Hi Marianne,

Ooooh! Aren't we scared of this 'Fruit of Loom Brief?

Brief, straighten out that wedgie before you lose the family jewels.

Oh, almost forgot, Brief. If you run into the Dandy Real Estate man at your man's program, let him know O.J. Simpson is house hunting in Boca. I'm sure his company can come up with a randy deal.

Luv,
mare
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 23:20:51 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Mary M
Subject: class action suit
Message:
This brief sounds like the southern garden implement, as others have referred to him/her/it. What I find most interesting is that it really tries to disrupt the discussion when legal consequences of bad behavior are discussed. What do you think?
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 23:40:19 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: class action suit
Message:
MB: I have noticed a trend of premies sanctimoniously and superciliously pontificating whenever a legal issue comes up or one more link in the corporate org chart is exposed.

I do find it quite odd that a few of the regular flickers(this is someone who has not mastered the fine art of flaming) mention 'lawyers' as a scare tactic in that we should be afraid of 'their' lawyers and you and Jim will be made a public debacle.

Go figure!

Luv,
mare
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 23:47:53 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Mary M
Subject: class action suit
Message:
Yes, I guess people should be afraid of the solo practitioner death penalty lawyer.... I remember when I was in the ashram and I asked the general secretary (remember those days?) if I could stay in the ashram and go to college because I thought it would help DLM. 'No, no, no sister. College is the world. You have to leave the ashram if you want to do something like that.' GMJ should rue the day he kicked me out of the ashram, fiery Irish girl I was, to seek justice in the outside world.
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 05:02:38 (EDT)
From: Adele Laid
Email: The cat,Sid and Adele
To: Marianne
Subject: class action suit
Message:
You under-estimate the personal loathing your words and actions cause some of us.You incorrectly assume that your the only educated practising professionals operating here.Think about international law Marianne ,dare you to get involved in international corporate law.Dare you to put YOUR money where your supposedly educated big mouth travels.In all likely hood your probably an upstart legal secretary or a process server.Perhaps a bail agent?Remember ,you annoy us personally; and we'd love to take YOU on at anything you dream up.But its only your small town fantasy anyway is'nt it?
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 10:13:55 (EDT)
From: Magnificent Martian
Email: None
To: Adele Laid
Subject: class action suit
Message:
Adele:

In all likely hood your probably an upstart legal secretary or a process server.

A professional are you? More than likely you['re] a 'hood,' with poor writing skills. Thanks for the laugh.

MM
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 11:37:30 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Magnificent Martian
Subject: class action suit
Message:
MM: It's the cat again. I just ignore him.
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 12:13:17 (EDT)
From: Adele Laid
Email: None
To: Magnificent Martian
Subject: class action suit
Message:
No just a slow and relatively inexpierienced typist.I'd give your qualifications a run for your money!Class distinction is far less obvious in a place like Oz.And lawyers are further down the respect chain than Used Car Salesmen!
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 16:23:42 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Adele Laid
Subject: class action suit
Message:
I think it is safe to say that if it were possible for MJ to sue people who speak out against him, he would have done so long ago. As far as Australia is concerned, what a great place! I'm not sure about your comments on lawyers, but the country is beautiful and Aussie milk tastes way better than Canada's.

I went to Amaroo twice. I never saw anything except the airport, a hotel room, a bit of Ipswich, the inside of a tent (first time) and a roach-infested trailer at the Willowbank the second time. The highlight of my second JOURNEY'S END was meeting a wallaby face-to-face for about a minute (I think it was a kangaroo because it was my height).

I had similar experiences travelling through the US, Canada, and Europe. I'm going to have to take these trips again sometime when I can actually visit. So far, I've been to many places but I haven't seen much. Don't worry about the class action suit. If it's possible, we'll let you know.
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 23:38:05 (EDT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: Gail goes to Amaroo
Message:
What did you think of Amaroo. The unexpurgated version? How did you find being with a huge bunch of premies there?

Did you go the PAM'S Restaurant?

What was the food like?

Details please?

Thanks,
Liz
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Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 13:17:08 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: freedom@gtn.net
To: Liz
Subject: Daya's - Liar & Thief
Message:
Hi Liz:

I've only got 15 minutes left so I'll make this quick. When I went to Amaroo in 1992, it was great. I got to stay on the land for free (of course I gave a $300 donation and worked my ass off). The next time I went was an entirely different story.

First, due to repeated requests for leaves without pay, I was declined once. This turned me into a liar and a thief much like any drug addict. The last time I went, I had my premie doctor friend give me a leave-of- absense certificate for ten days. This meant a paid vacation basically on the backs of the taxpayers. Indeed, I was a liar because there was nothing wrong with me and a thief for taking my salary.

I went to Daya's for lunch at $85 Aussie per plate. I treated two other people including Anne Johnston. The service was terrible because they were too short staffed. I offered to help for lunch the next day.

This was the day that MJ announced darshan for the brown and red folks. Even more of the kitchen staff did not arrive. I didn't know what I was doing although I waitressed throughout university. Everyone tried their best. We all worked nonstop from 11: until about 16:15. Another waiter told me to get us two plates from the hot carts so we could eat before going to the evening programming.

A Spanish chef (broken English) asked me to bring in the hot carts (about 6 of these huge mothers). I agreed to bring in two, which I did, because I still had customers and I wanted some food.

A short while later, this chef saw me with the plates of food. He said, 'You are a liar and a thief.'

TO BE CONTINUED.
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Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 13:42:54 (EDT)
From: BOJ
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: Daya's - Luncheon
Message:
I went to Daya's for lunch at $85 Aussie per plate

Gail,

What is the purpose in this for Daya? Aren't those offspring somewhat embarrassed that their father was their moms fetish for young boys?

BOJ
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Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 15:02:00 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Liz
Subject: Daya's-Liar & Thief con't
Message:
Actually he shouted this at me. There were about 100 people outside who heard him. I was speechless and started to cry like a little kid. He continued to say that I was stealing the food out of the cart (the other waiter had me get the plates because he knew that the slave weren't allowed to have the food). I did not know about this RULE. The leftovers were for the chefs and to be reheated for the evening meal at $100 a plate. I had just paid $340 for lunch the day before. They got their money out of me. He said I was a liar because I had told him I was busy (busy having my first meal since 07:00). He told me to go pay $5 and eat the macaroni dinner. Imagine having to pay for anything after slaving for that long for free. I left6 without eating. BTW, the chef had just come back from DARSHAN with the Lord.

At this point, I could not get an emotional grip for two days. Many people tried to console me but to no avail. I was exhausted. I had flown with great trepidation (sneaking away, invalid plane ticket) for 28 hours. I had done SERVE-US for over five hours. I sat up on top of the hill for the rest of the program. I did not have a good time.

I did not go to Long Beach 1997. My next time to see the Lard was last May. I have not been involved since.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:38:33 (EDT)
From: cp
Email: None
To: Walter
Subject: we have PROOF= RATFeeble! NT
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 21:35:47 (EDT)
From: Walter
Email: None
To: cp
Subject: we have PROOF= RATFeeble! NT
Message:
I don't have a clue what you're talking about cp, but regardless of what proof exes think they have, there will be PAM's on the other side to disprove that proof. That's just the way things work in the legal systems of most countries.

You have to understand; a court case, criminal or civil, is a legal CONTEST. Just because you sue someone does not mean you're going to win, and it costs alot of money just to begin a lawsuit; are the exes prepared to raise money, a war chest, to hire attorney's, investigators, etc. Just because you say you have proof does not mean that proof is acceptable by the court. The case might be thrown out even before it starts.

There is more to a legal case then just what 'I' think. You have to be able to convince a jury, among other things. First of all you gotta come up with a legal bona fide charge against Rawat that is acceptable in a court of law. Emotional assertions don't carry much weight in a court of law, there has to be objective substantiated facts that can be corroborated, and even alot more than that has to be presented.

But as I've said eariler; this forum is not the place to discuss any serious pending legal action against M. I know people on this forum are very emotional about what happened between them and M, but that does not necessarily mean they have grounds for a lawsuit or will even win a lawsuit if they file one. Good Luck.

Personally, I'd like to see some cult leader dragged across the hot coals in a lawsuit and held accountable, but it has'nt ever happened yet. If M is found guilty in a class action lawsuit he'd be the first ever.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:27:05 (EDT)
From: cp
Email: None
To: Walter
Subject: we have PROOF= RATFeeble! NT
Message:
Walter

I agree with you about not bringing this subject to the site.

By saying catweasel is our proof it meant that he is living evidence of what the cult can do to somebody.

Dumb joke.

There is a cult leader that has been prosecuted in Austraialia I think.
Hes been in jail becuse some parents blew this whisle that he was molesting kids in his organization.

It took members of the cult to do it.

This situation is very different. And I have alsways maintained that a nice tabloid media story can do just as much damage even though it does not address damages.

A story would not have to accuse him of anything. It would just relate the after effects of bieng in the trip as told by his ex followers.

So what if his premeis rebutt. A good series of articles can also give the dangers involved ala Guru Papers and the like.

My thoughts on the matter as the moon rises
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 22:51:44 (EDT)
From: Walter
Email: None
To: cp
Subject: we have PROOF= RATFeeble! NT
Message:
Point well taken. I think a tabloid article would do the trick also. I'm not aware of the jailed cult leader in Australia, maybe I should have said cult leader cases in the U.S.A. I looked it up and there's nothing in the law books in America, and many cases have been filed against cult leaders here by parents,followers, etc. none were found guilty.

Now child molesting, that's another story. That would be a criminal case not a class action law suit, and the tabloids as well as the courts would be very serious towards those kind of charges.
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 08:29:30 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: None
To: cp
Subject: we have PROOF= RATFeeble! NT
Message:
You said it 3cpo,DUMB JOKE!
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Date: Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 23:16:30 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Enough already! (further ot)
Message:
GI,

You've gone on and on and on with your dull, dull pontificatng. I think it's about time for me to say what I really think.

You don't know shit about this subject. Moreover, you seem to have a warped sense of human nature that's likely a function of your cult involvement. That is, you probably believe that there's this pure 'real' nature that's only polluted by the mind and all its evils. And who are the big purveyors of all this bad mind, you wonder? Why the sharpies, that's who. And who are the sharpies, stirring up all this bad shit? Well, some of them just have to be lawyers. Right? Am I close, GI?

MY MORALITY'S NOT IN ISSUE DOUGH-HEAD! I never asked you to follow me, suspend your own judgement and all that shit. HE DID!

What the fuck is wrong with these people??
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 05:07:02 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Yankee Doodler
To: Jim
Subject: Enough already! I,m going BLI
Message:
Jim,all that litigating,its getting to much for you!Your wound up tighter than a Nuns sphinctre muscle!Now there's a boy Jim ,go and toss of somewhere private,its embarassing for all of us minors having to watch you!Oh and my God its so little!Is that why you have to puff up so big and play it so Tuff?
'No Jim,of course size does'nt matter'Nor accuracy,unbiased opinion and love of humanity,just so long as you can abuse those P's with total impugnity.YOUR SO BIG AND STRONG JIM[except for THAT LITTLE THING!]Oh I'm sorry,I didnt realise your brain is in there too??Well ,you be careful,Brain damage is forever and your pretty rough with that thing!Sort of like everything you do.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 16:44:40 (EDT)
From: A proud 14'' X 6''
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Penis envy strikes the Weasel!
Message:
The biggest homo bashers are often gays in denial. The biggest zealots are hiding their doubts. People who must discuss penis size are desparately trying to divert the attention away from their own inadequacies.

If you find yourself a little short, you can always purchase a penis extender. A hard rubber tube would be surgically implanted. If you could find someone to sleep with you, you would simply connect your bicycle pump to the tube, and voila--an air ride.

Didn't stuff like this go out by the third level? Go poke your third eye for an hour or so. Better yet, why not do some stretching exercises with your you-know-what!

Even the apes would be hesitant to admit you were one of them.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 17:47:27 (EDT)
From: wondering
Email: None
To: A proud 14'' X 6''
Subject: Penis envy strikes the Weasel!
Message:
As long as you brought it up. This sort of envy may be why M puts so much effort into his image. Maybe he is compensating for his penis size. Maybe we should feel sorry for him.
In fact, if you discount the words Catweanie comes on alot like M.
Now I feel sorry for the poor little cat.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 20:55:49 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Barney, please get rid of him
Message:
Barney,

Last time I brought this up the webmaster accused me of being a loudmouth drunk trying to tell everyone how to do their job. But I really think it's tiem to get rid of Catweasel. Sure, he's a prime example of ugly, premie temperment and all that. But I think overall he degrades the forum a bit. That is, I can just imagine some lurkers who drop in, read his garbage, and figure there's not much more going on here than a flame war.

He's made it so very clear that all he wants to do is just what he's doing. If this were anywhere else and some asshole started acting this way either he'd leave or I would. In fact I can't imagine any situation where he'd be allowed to just carry on. Not one.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 21:25:12 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Barney, please get rid of him
Message:
Excellently stated!
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 04:48:07 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Jim likes it both ways
To: Jim
Subject: Barney, please get rid of him
Message:
Jim ,you have massive double standards.You flamed away to your hearts content on CD's site until people didnt feel like bothering.It was just always the same crap coming from you,with no respect for the integrity of the site.[That sounds familiar?]
So I followed you over here and made myself at home the way you did.Unnerving is'nt it?There are many servers in this world Jim,and ,well thousands of Terminals.You invited me here Jim,dont you like it anymore?{and off the record,who said anything about Penis's.Just a small point]
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 14:11:04 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Barney, please get rid of him
Message:
Jim ,you have massive double standards.You flamed away to your hearts content on CD's site until people didnt feel like bothering.It was just always the same crap coming from you,with no respect for the integrity of the site.[That sounds familiar?]
So I followed you over here and made myself at home the way you did.Unnerving is'nt it?There are many servers in this world Jim,and ,well thousands of Terminals.You invited me here Jim,dont you like it anymore?{and off the record,who said anything about Penis's.Just a small point]


You're a liar, Cat. One, all I did on the premie page was ask a couple of questions that you cult members freaked out over. You know that. If you say that constitutes disrespect for the 'integrity of the site' you're an even bigger idiot than I'd imagined. Two, I never 'invited' you here but I am serious about wanting you off.
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 10:22:08 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Barney, please get rid of him
Message:
Bullshit Jim,You flamed away for weeks,annoyed everyone over there with your persistent snarling and attacks,asked a definite question,and I followed you over here;it was an idiotic question .
This was the place to answer it.
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 17:25:16 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Fine then
Message:
Cat,

You can say what you will. The fact is, Barney's taking over management of this site Tuesday and I know I'm not the only one lobbying him to get rid of you. Can't say what he's going to do, that's his call. But you know my thoughts anyway.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 08:53:20 (EDT)
From: GI
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Enough already! (further ot)
Message:
Dear Jim,

You said 'You've gone on and on and on with your dull, dull pontificatng. I think it's about time for me to say what I really think.'

So what are you saying? You've been bullshitting up to now? Had the kid gloves on? Now it's full-strength JIM! Why didn't you just say what you thought in the first place? Can't you see how haughty and arrogant you are? Your job and social position (as the world rates) as a lawyer has most likely puffed you up so big you can't see yourself clearly.

'You don't know shit about this subject.'

An inaccurate and elitist remark at best, designed to disempower,
much like in a court of law when an attorney needs to make a witness look as bad as possible for his client's sake, regardless of who is right or wrong or who gets hurt in the outcome.

'And who are the sharpies, stirring up all this bad shit? Well, some of them just have to be lawyers.'

It came out of your mouth. Yes, some of them 'have to be lawyers' for the game to work. Not all lawyers would defend someone they had real strong bad feelings about. Lawyers don't invoke the unrighteous sentences, the judges do. The lawyers who play along just make it easier for the judge to do that. So the driver of the getaway car wasn't holding the gun and robbing the bank.
He is still an accessory, very much involved and responsible for his own individual actions.

'MY MORALITY'S NOT IN ISSUE DOUGH-HEAD!'

This dough has risen.

If you are going to point fingers at anyone else in moral judgement, then your morality is definitely an issue.

'I never asked you to follow me, suspend your own judgement and all that shit. HE DID!'

He never asked me to 'follow' him, either. As I recall, we all went after him. He never asked me to 'suspend my own judgement' in the light you are presenting it. As a matter of fact, he often referred to using common sense and being practical as I heard him.

'What the fuck is wrong with these people??'

That's funny.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 09:07:36 (EDT)
From: GI
Email: None
To: Zac
Subject: To Zac: inactive, same thread
Message:
Dear Zac,

I read your post 'crazy thread' and agree that things change incrementally. But there must be some effort, some movement whatever amount, on the part of any and all people who profess to be of conscience and involved or else it's just lip-service.

Then I ran across your last paragraph, referring to Maharaji:
'Unless of course he is the one messiah come to save the world. Then all bets are off. Cause the one messiah talks in riddles, makes his own rules and generally does whatever he pleases. If that is the case I'll watch from afar like catweasel does because it's just to damn dangerous.'

Zac, where did you come up with the m.o. of the master being one who 'talks in riddles, makes his own rules and generally does whatever he pleases.' And what is the danger you feel? If we are talking ultimately about an internal experience here and not just another physical person, what do you mean by 'remaining afar'?
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 18:33:02 (EDT)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: GI
Subject: To GI: inactive, same thread
Message:
I can tell two thing from your post. You haven't been involved long and you haven't been involved deep. The internal part has been great, the external part has been a continuing disaster for so many reasons I cannot elaborate. It's a long story and one day I will write mine down. Charanand said to me once. ' I don't want to get too near the flame because people can get burned. I like to stay somewhere in his vicinity. But not too close.' Then he pulled out a 7 iron and smacked it on the green. Dangerous is in reference to my experience, no one else's. What's your's?
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 12:31:35 (EDT)
From: GI
Email: None
To: Zac
Subject: To Zac: inactive, same thread
Message:
Dear Zac:

I guess 21 years isn't a long time compared to others.
As for depth, you have no idea.
As for my experience, it's been a slice of life with everything on it, extra sauce, well done, a little crispy around the edges.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 11:25:36 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: GI
Subject: Really?
Message:
He never asked me to 'follow' him, either. As I recall, we all went after him. He never asked me to 'suspend my own judgement' in the light you are presenting it. As a matter of fact, he often referred to using common sense and being practical as I heard him.

Remember?:

But what happens to a man who doubts? Nobody can even imagine.

or:

Sublime devotion, however, comes from implicit faith and confidence in the Satguru of the time and it must be clearly understood that only He who can bestow God-vision instantaneously within oneself is the Satguru of the time, and no one else. In reality he is God incarnate.

or:

The only thing he asks for in return is our mind, our wandering
mind that is all over the place. He says, give me your mind, and all these things are for you. Why does he take back our minds? Because he wants to give them some discipline, He wants to put them in the right place. Maharaj Ji has given you so much and you promised you would return your mind to Him.


or:

A devotee of Satguru, of God, when he liquidates himself, or
dissolves himself, or effaces himself on the Lotus Feet of the Lord, he makes the Lord agreeable in all respects.

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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 12:34:34 (EDT)
From: GI
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Really?
Message:
'Common sense is uncommon'.

You are being way literal and stiff.

Remember that?
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:01:25 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: GI
Subject: Help me, GI
Message:
...He who can bestow God-vision instantaneously within oneself is the Satguru of the time, and no one else. In reality he is God incarnate.

GI,

Could you please tell me what M meant by this? Without being too literal, please.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:13:17 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Thanks, Jerry
Message:
Jerry: I remembered that quote...It came from a Q/A session and was reported, intact, within the pages of the WIGMJ book. Believe it or not, that's the quote that 'hooked' me.....the VERY quote!

But HEY....maybe M was telling the truth this time. He couldn't 'bestow god-vision' instantaneously, therefore he IS NOT the Satguru and NEVER WAS! What do you think?
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 15:22:04 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: You're welcome
Message:
Mike,

I think that was the hook for everybody. Back in those daze it was all about instant cosmic consciousness.

Yeah, right.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 17:06:47 (EDT)
From: GI
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Help me, Rhonda, yeah!
Message:
Dear Jerry,

I am not going to speak for Maharaji nor am I the one who can tell you what he meant by that, and will not pretend to.

I fully understand your question and I think your motivations as well. Anything else?
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 00:46:52 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: GI
Subject: You're in denial
Message:
I am not going to speak for Maharaji nor am I the one who can tell you what he meant by that, and will not pretend to.

GI, I think you're pretending NOT to know what M meant by that. He meant he's God incarnate... literally. It's obvious. But I don't care. It's just typical guru nonsense. What makes it pathetic is how you and so many premies deny that he was strutting his stuff like he was God Almighty, when he first started out, when you know he was.

I'd ask you why he changed his tune but it's really anybody's guess and so far M hasn't seen fit to explain himself. Personally, I don't see how he can without coming out of it with egg on his face. Can you? It would probably go something like this.

Maharaji: Ladies and gentleman, I think it's time, in light of all the fuss that's been made, to declare that I am not God. There, I said it.

Premie (a very bold one): But if you're not, why did you once say you were?

Maharaji: I was expecting this question and I'm glad you raise it. You see, in India it's quite common for mortal, yet enlightend, men to call themselves God. It's an Indian thing.

Bold Premie: But I really thought you were God. And you seemed to be really getting off on it.

Maharaji: Yes, it was fun while it lasted. But it's over now. We can still have fun. I just don't want to be God, anymore. And if you still want to be my disciple, you'll stop calling me that.

Bold Premie: Well... okay.... I guess. But what do we call you now?

Maharaji: Call me teacher, Teacher Of Life.

Bold Premie: I'm confused. I really thought you were God.

Maharaji: Not anymore.
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 16:15:31 (EDT)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: My Luck
Message:
I never did buy into the line that the little fat fucker was gawd, thank gawd. And as far as a meditation teacher, well the sacred techniques were imparted to me by parlokanand. And I thought the meditation was lame. And the premies were pretty wacky and the ashram trip was nutso. I bailed in a hurry.

Can anyone answer this: I think I read here that Parlokanand molested little boys. Is this true? If so, here's another dork we can add to the shit list. I don't hear any mention of this when we discuss the mahaperverts, and I don't think we should let it slide if it's true.

Hey, maybe we could create a picture gallery of rogue ''great souls''' and the allegations against them. It would make a nice Drek page. I'll do the graphics...
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 21:00:55 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: GI
Subject: Yeah, GI, interpret for us
Message:
You are being way literal and stiff.

GI,

I'm with Gerry on this one. Would you please tell me the proper interpretation of:

Q - To whom should we give our devotion?

A - Guru.

Q - Shouldn't we give our devotion to God?

A - What is God?

Q - Well, Guru is a personification of God in this Earth, right?

A - I told you yesterday: Who is Guru? The highest manifestation of God is Guru. So when Guru is here, God is here, to whom will you give your devotion? **** When God has come here, then what is the need to give devotion to God there?


and:

Who is Guru? The highest manifestation of God is Guru. So when Guru is here, God is here, to whom will you give your devotion?

and:

Guru Maharj Ji knows all. Guru Maharaji is Brahma (creator). Guru Maharaji is Vishnu (Operator). Guru Maharjai is Shiva (Destoryer of illusion and ego). And above all, Guru Mahraji is the Supremest Lord in person before us.

and:

I have come so powerful. I have come for the world. Whenever the great come,the worldly oppose them. Again I have come and you are not listening. Every ear should hear that the saviour of humanity has come. There should be no chance for anyone to say that they haven't heard of Guru Maharaj Ji. Those who have come to me are already saved. Now its your duty to save others. Shout it on the streets. Why be shy?
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 12:44:21 (EDT)
From: GI
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Yeah, GI, interpret for us
Message:
Dear Jim,

You make what you want out of it and I'll make what I want.

It's a very personal experience. How about being the immediate relative of someone who was hurt by a client of yours who you got of the hook, you know? What would you tell them?

Meanwhile, you'd best keep you lawyerly talnets sharp for the next guilty person you might be called upon to get off the hook.

(Sips drink spiked with sodium pentathol)...Jim, I gotta tell ya,
but I can't. It's not in the words, it's not. It's all in the experience he imparts. All the rest is of this world and subject to Murphy's Law. That's it, Jim, crazy as it sounds. Zzzzzzzz

(Last paragraph is parody, unless you happened to get some ray of reality from it.)
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 13:00:50 (EDT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: GI
Subject: Maharaji is master hooker
Message:
Well I followed this whole thread and your last answer was pretty funny, GI. But seriously, don't those quotes kinda scare you? I know I was really in denial when I would hear or read quotes like that, because I continued to believe that God was greater than Guru. Now I read it and it seems obscene and almost blasphemous to me that M was saying there is no need for God because M is here. That is so creepy and scary, like he was cutting people off at the knees or something. And I remember people saying you could still keep your religion AND practice knowledge. But how?

So of course when presented with evidence like these quotes premies are gonna say, 'It's an experience, ya know? I can't explain it, I know that sounds crazy but that's how it is.' This is very sad dear GI. You can't analyze why your teacher said one thing and now says another because you are hooked on a feeling. And believe me, you are hooked. M gave lots of creepy satsangs about that, too. But more importantly you are so hooked, so addicted to thinking M is responsible for something within you, that you cannot unhook from that for one minute and look at it critically.
It seems so comfy but remember it IS the vampire's lap.
But the joke was funny!!!
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 16:41:11 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: GI
Subject: You're a coward, GI
Message:
You make what you want out of it and I'll make what I want.

Afraid to answer? Of course, you're a premie. Yawn.....

It's a very personal experience.

No one was asking you about your 'experience'. We were talking about what Maharaji said. Again, I'll ask you, do you have the courage to fairly interpret Maharaji's words? Tell us what you think they meant. Or don't. Be a premie which, in my mind, equates with coward more and more.

How about being the immediate relative of someone who was hurt by a client of yours who you got of the hook, you know? What would you tell them?

I'm not denying that this is an interesting subject. Really, I'm not. In fact, I dealt with this very situation yesterday. No shit. But you don't deserve an answer, GI. I've tried to play fair with you but you haven't done the same. I've answered your questions, let you try to persue your points. All that. You've been unable or unwilling to reciprocate.

Meanwhile, you'd best keep you lawyerly talnets sharp for the next guilty person you might be called upon to get off the hook.

Well, of course.

(Sips drink spiked with sodium pentathol)...Jim, I gotta tell ya,
but I can't. It's not in the words, it's not. It's all in the experience he imparts. All the rest is of this world and subject to Murphy's Law. That's it, Jim, crazy as it sounds. Zzzzzzzz

(Last paragraph is parody, unless you happened to get some ray of reality from it.)


What's it a parody of, GI?
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 18:09:35 (EDT)
From: GI
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You're a co-ward, GI
Message:
Dear Jim,

Round and round we go and where we stop is either you telling me to fuck off or my saying to you that we are trying to talk about one thing that cannot be put into words and then you telling me to fuck off.

Maybe I am a coward. Or maybe you have Maharaji completely 180 degrees all wrong based on circumstances, but you have invested so much time and energy into your thing here that you can see no further past your nose than a devoted PAM can.

Did you ever hear of the French philosopher DeCartes? He had an argument for believing in God:

If you do believe and God doesn't exist, nothing lost.
If you don't believe and God doesn't exist, nothing lost.
If you do believe and God exists, cool.
If you don't believe and God exists, not cool.

The same could be applied to Maharaji's authenticity as Master.
(He didn't teach me this, by the way.)
And it does sound like someone hedging their bet.
This is not the basis of my personal beliefs, but it does make sense.
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 18:34:18 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: GI
Subject: Descartes was wrong
Message:
If you do believe and God doesn't exist, nothing lost.
If you don't believe and God doesn't exist, nothing lost.
If you do believe and God exists, cool.
If you don't believe and God exists, not cool.


Sure I've heard of this aphorism but I'm not sure it was Descartes. Was it? Anyway, I think it's wrong. The second and third lines speak for themselves and aren't worth discussing. But the first? If you believe in God and he doesn't exist, you could really be fucking up your life. Unnecessary guilt trips, false reliance on divine assistance that just ain't there, needless contributions to religious groups, restricted openness to any knowledge that runs contrary to religious belief. Lots of ways believing in God can hurt.

But the main thing is that for you to even say this shows how little you yourself take M seriously. Thanks.

Furthermore GI, I'm afraid if you're not a coward you sure are acting like one here. As well as a liar. This particular little squabble, you'll recall, started with you saying:

He never asked me to 'follow' him, either. As I recall, we all went after him. He never asked me to 'suspend my own judgement' in the light you are presenting it. As a matter of fact, he often referred to using common sense and being practical as I heard him.

I then presented you with just a few of the many quotes that exist wherein Maharaji directly contradicted you. When asked to explain, you accused me of being 'way literal and stiff'. Once again, GI, you're criticising me.

And, like before with the whole lawyer question, you're unable to back yourself up. After all, anyone who's going to fault another's interpretation of a statement should be able to tell them what the statement really means. Of course you can't. You can't because all those statements mean exactly what they appear to mean.

Here's an analogy to your behaviour drawn from my work. You're like a witness who's confronted with a fact that they simply can't deny. The facts indisputable any which way you look at it. Still, rather than admit it, they'll mumble a blanket denial on the stand with no explanation to even attempt to back themself up. People always look cowardly when they do this. That's how you look, don't you? Or can't you answer that one either?
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 21:41:24 (EDT)
From: GI
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You could be too
Message:
Dear Jim,

I find it interesting that you commented on all the 'fluff' in my post but not the meat of it:

'Maybe I am a coward.
Or maybe you have Maharaji completely 180 degrees all wrong based on circumstances, but you have invested so much time and energy into your thing here that you can see no further past your nose than a devoted PAM can.'

And a good evening to you too.
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Date: Sat, May 29, 1999 at 22:12:17 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: GI
Subject: You're avoiding again
Message:
Dear Jim,
I find it interesting that you commented on all the 'fluff' in my post but not the meat of it:

'Maybe I am a coward.
Or maybe you have Maharaji completely 180 degrees all wrong based on circumstances, but you have invested so much time and energy into your thing here that you can see no further past your nose than a devoted PAM can.'

And a good evening to you too.


Okay, let's do this all over again. I'll reply to evey last thing you say and you can ignore everything you find too challenging. Okay?

So, I guess it's my turn, right? I'm supposed to answer your comment above.

No, GI, I don't think I've got Maharaji 'completely 180 degrees all wrong based on circumstances'. For one, I'm not sure what 'circumstances' you could be talking about. Care to elaborate? Your argument appears to be this: if someone feels strongly about something they might be wrong and blinded to the fact by the strength of their passion. GI, that's a really, make that really, lame argument. People feel strongly or weakly about all sorts of things, right or wrong. Care to try again?

Okay, now it's my turn. You claim that I only replied to the 'fluff' in your post. You earlier teased me about telling you to 'fuck off'. GI, a reply like that warrants that kind of disrespect. You owe me some answers. You accused me of being 'way literal and stiff' regarding what Maharaji meant when he used to call himself the 'Supreme Lord in person'. The onus is one you to explain yourself or apologize.

You know, for a guy who burst in here finger-pointing at others' (i.e, my) supposed moral short-comings, you're not looking so hot. You're evasive, disingenuous, rude and pompous. You're happy to insult yet when push come to shove and you can't back yourself up you lack the common decency to admit you're wrong. Premie, by chance?

Now come off it. Again, I've tried to answer your questions truthfully. It's your turn. How do you interpret:

But what happens to a man who doubts? Nobody can even imagine.

or:

Sublime devotion, however, comes from implicit faith and confidence in the Satguru of the time and it must be clearly understood that only He who can bestow God-vision instantaneously within oneself is the Satguru of the time, and no one else. In reality he is God incarnate.

or:

The only thing he asks for in return is our mind, our wandering
mind that is all over the place. He says, give me your mind, and all these things are for you. Why does he take back our minds? Because he wants to give them some discipline, He wants to put them in the right place. Maharaj Ji has given you so much and you promised you would return your mind to Him.


or:

A devotee of Satguru, of God, when he liquidates himself, or
dissolves himself, or effaces himself on the Lotus Feet of the Lord, he makes the Lord agreeable in all respects.


In particular, please explain how you can say, in light of these quotes, that Maharaji never asked you to follow him or never doubt him.
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 10:06:59 (EDT)
From: GI
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You're voiding again
Message:
Dear Jim,

I will not interpret Maharaji's quotes. What they mean to each of us is personal. Is that clear enough? You hook shows through the worm. If you want answers, from one person with Knowledge to another, go straight to the horse's mouth for the information you seek. I fully understand your questions and the apparent contradictions they present, and I feel for both of us. Our normal everyday brain functions don't suffice in a situation like this.

Senator Arlen Specter had the unicorn killer, high profile Earthday activist Ira Einhorn, as a client. There was a show on TV recently aobut the case. The then Attorney Specter finally dropped Einhorn like a hot potato at a point where he himself realized Einhorn was guilty. From what you have said, you'd defend him, someone who had a decomposing body in a trunk in his apartment for months (CIA was framing him) and a former girlfriend swearing the man was violent. For whatever reason, Specter dropped Einhorn. True, Specter had polictical aspirations, and maybe that made an honest man out of him regarding this case. But Jim, are you saying that you would defend him and be proud if you won? And ask him to keep your number handy if he needed your services again? Really?
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 17:22:38 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: GI
Subject: End of discussion: you lost
Message:
I will not interpret Maharaji's quotes. What they mean to each of us is personal. Is that clear enough? You hook shows through the worm. If you want answers, from one person with Knowledge to another, go straight to the horse's mouth for the information you seek. I fully understand your questions and the apparent contradictions they present, and I feel for both of us. Our normal everyday brain functions don't suffice in a situation like this.

GI,

That's it. End of discussion. You don't have the balls to think and talk about this stuff, that's fine. Like I've said so many times here, no premie can. That's why they call it a cult.

But don't think for a second you've someohw retained the right to ask me anything. You haven't. Bye.
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Date: Sun, May 30, 1999 at 20:25:19 (EDT)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: GI
Subject: would you be offended if I
Message:
call you a DICKHEAD?

Arlen Spector, bigtime liar and lifetime pol from PA! Defender and a partial inventor of that ultra reliable Warren Commission Report

The gutless wonder of Scranton! No surprise he backed off the Unicorn (I read the book, btw) it would have damaged his illustrious carreer. You certainly stepped on your dick when you mentioned his name. Try again. No, on second thought, just get lost.
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Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 00:32:15 (EDT)
From: GI
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: would you be offended if I
Message:
told you that the Unicorn Killer and the Warren Report are two separate situations and that whatever else he did in his life, he did the right thing by getting away from Einhorn the sick Monster?

I don't buy into the mass media descriptions of things like you obviously do. Yeah, the Warren Report sucked but that doesn't condemn every action Specter did before and after.

Goodnight, Gerry.

Dickhead, how original....
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Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 13:54:04 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: GI
Subject: No offense
Message:
GI Series,

Well at least we agree on one thing--Ira was a real creep and I'm sure we are both glad he's finally being extradited from France.

Jeez who's going to defend him, even though it looks like he's guilty as hell? I still maintain he's innocent until proven guilty and deserves a strong and competent defense. (Not that I'm willing to extend the same to premies here, ha ha, but then this isn't exactly the Supreme Court, is it?)

So you like that lying, gutless, treasonous, bum Spector, huh? No wonder you're a fan of Mahahaha. I'm sure he made the politically expedient choice in distancing himself from the Unicorn.

Sorry about the dickhead part, I get a little fiesty sometimes...
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Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 14:25:13 (EDT)
From: GI
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: No offense
Message:
Dear Gerry,

I can safely say that all human beings have done things worth being proud of and also done things we'd just as soon forget about, Specter included.

How about defending Slobodan Milosovec? Is he entitled to be defended even though he did his dirty deeds right in front of the whole world? Bullshit, I say. When someone is guilty deyond doubt, why waste time and money on pretense? On to the sentencing phase!

As for Einhorn's being entitled to a defense, are you telling me that he had a human body in his own personal trunk in his own personal (locked) closet and he wasn't aware of it? His own words about killing something he can't keep as his own and the testimony of an ex-girlfriend, not to mention the corpse, are quite enough for me to make an informed decision. The whole world is so dumbed down we can't even tell a murderer when we see one. Rubbish!
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Date: Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 17:15:09 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Geocities's down?
Message:
I haven't been able to access Geocities for more than 24h now!

Is it down? for how long?

I was working on my new download page that's going to be located there ..... sorry guys you'll have to wait a bit more!

Anybody? Can you access Geocities from the US?
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Date: Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 18:59:22 (EDT)
From: TJ
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Geocities's down?
Message:
I don't think it's Geocities, I was able to access a web page there.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 04:23:07 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: TJ
Subject: Then I have a problem!
Message:
I still can't access geocities, or my website on geocities directly.

The only way to access it for the moment is through anonymizer.com

My website is still up, and I've been able to upload new stuff on it through anonymizer.

Is there a problem with France, or am I blocked? I've removed all the cookies in my cookies' folder ....

Anybody already experienced this?
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Date: Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 16:10:58 (EDT)
From: Careless Castinyoga
Email: P-Too-ing
To: Everyone esp Gail
Subject: PRACHAR WARS ch 1 of 2: a play
Message:
OH Gooey Rue Maharaji, your life is my play...

P R A C H A R W A R S

A wrong time ago, in a residence far, far away...

A vast sea of stars serves as the backdrop for the main title, followed by a roll-up, which crawls into infinity. Out of a donut of light comes the words:

PREMISOLD ONE:
THE RANT-OM MENACE
Chapter 1

Discounts have engulfed the World of Knowledge.
The wholesale merchandising of 4 Hindu meditation techniques by
its franchiser, Prem Pal Singed Rawat, and the Cultic Brainwashing of his devotees, is in dispute by EX-members of Rawat's Elan Vital. (A 70’s Guru Cult formerly known as Divine Light Mission, DUO, DECA and VISIONS)

Hoping to make solvent the matter with a sudden announcement
of 2-day Programmings, the greedy Rawat is again Master-baiting
in Miami and Montreal. His usual strategy: to imply he is the One
who gives the 'gift of breath' and the sacred Knowledge, indoctrinating more innocents and thus selling more goods, receiving thousands in donations for his jet plane,
homes and megalomaniac dreams and desires.

Additionally, 'Serve-Us', is offered, the unpaid laboring of followers- but at their own expense. In exchange, they get to recall a 'feeling inside' -which they already have! It is this Bliss conditioning that makes them CO-dependent on the Maha-raji, once known to them as The Lord Of The Universe. Some still believe that ‘Guru is Greater than God!

While the Onliners of Ex-Premie.Org endlessly debate the usual Chains of an Event, The Supreme Webmaster has secretly dispatched two THREAD EYE Knights, the Guardians of Wisdom, Humor and Creativity on the Internet, to settle the Consciousness. Their Purpose: To correct any distorted Belief Systems and the subsequent loss of time, money and sanity, for generations to come. Purpose Two: to assist those who want out.


+++

PAN DOWN to reveal a small Audi heading toward the camera at slow speed. PAN with the vehicle as it heads towards the Miami Beach Convention Center, in front are hundreds of devotees of the Living Perfect Master, dressed to impress themselves.

RT-SAN: (off-screen voice) Usher, tell them I wish to be bored at once.
USHER DROID: Yes sir. Excuse me, with all due respect to Elan Vital sales hours, these Onliners for Ex-Premie.Org wishes aboard immediately.
ELAN VITAL SALES: Yes, yes, of course,..ahhh...as you know, our cult, uh, cute merchandise is perfectly legal within to IRS loopholes, and we'd be happy to receive you...Master Card or Visa?

+

A GREETING DROID, GD-4, stands at the door to the Merchandise Hall. Two worker droids, VCR TAPE STACKER 7, and PHOTO PINNER-UPPER 12, watch.

GD-4: Heh. He must be loaded if EV allowed one of those...thinking ex-premies into the program. Ming.
VTS7: Mirage-ji says the door is always open. This guy really must want the latest Caracas video where you can see His feet - just barely tho! Only $29.95 and it’s a FULL 19 minutes! It’s usually $39.50...
PPU-13: It's beautiful, to see people who leave this Path return, with their wallets out; it’s like...an offering.

+

The door opens, the two cloaked Onliners are led PAST CAMERA into the festive convention hall by GD-4.

GD-4: I hope you honored souls will be most comfortable with Phase Two. My Master will be within you shortly.

The Usher waves to RT-SAN and OBI-DONE GURUPI.
The two THREAD EYE KNIGHTS lower their laptops and look out at a row of garish banners over the merchandise: Videos, Clothing, Medallions, Program Tapes, Photos, Trust Funds... RT-SAN, a veteran of 24 years in the Cult, is in his forties. OBI-DONE is but twenty-five, but his parents have had Knowledge since he was 7.

OBI-DONE: I have a bad feeling about this.
RT-SAN: I sense a great increase in the Farce.
OBI-DONE: It's not about out mission, man, it's something...elsewhere...elusive. Am I sensing...Devotion? Please, not more victims of incense!
RT-SAN: Don't center on their brainwashing, Obi-done, keep your concentration here and now where it belongs.
OBI-DONE: Webmaster Brain says I should be mindful of the future postings...
RT-SAN: ...but not at the expense of the moment. Be mindful of the Living Farce, my dear un-premie. You're lucky: You heard the BS but never took indoctrination. I needed 9 months of THREAD EYE NIGHT training to get clear...Still, you lost your parents’ help to DECA on the 747 project....they were broke for years. Thank God your Uncle sent you to college!

INTERIOR-ELAN VITAL CUBICLE-DESK

HALL USHER 1 and EV 2 stand, stunned, before GD-4.

HU-1: (shaken) What?!? What did you say?
GD-4: These Ex-Premies are THREAD EYE KNIGHTS, I believe. Creative free thinkers!
EV-2: I knew it! They were sent to leave room for doubts! Don't talk to them or you're done for! There’s no reasoning with logic!
HU-1: Stay calm! I'll call security if they get too close to the stage, like 500 feet. Now, go. Distract them with the latest magazine until I can contact this premie I used to date, from The Residence Staff.
EV-2: Are you in your mind? I'm not going in there with those two THREAD EYES. Send the Usher. He's from Miami, anyway.

+

RT-SAN and OBI-DONE sit at a cappuccino table near the hug n' sniff T-shirts, Gardenia is overstocked.

OBI-DONE: Snff. Is it their habit to want so much? Desires are truly endless, if you need this crap. Look: Airplane Barf-Bags, with Swans on them!

The concession door opens and Usher GD-4 enters with a stack of Introductory Brochures and magazines.

RT-SAN: NO...I sense an unusual amount of fear for something as trivial as a VISA purchase. Is the Media expected? It’s about time, I think...

Suddenly OBI-DONE and RT-SAN turn off their computers and listen intently. A faint whining, pleading sound can be heard.

RT-SAN: Satsang! Music! In the Main Hall!

OBI-DON and RT-SAN each take a sudden breath and hold it, as they insert industrial-strength earplugs. The premies around them freeze and look at a TV set: It’s a live feed and RAWAT is dancing on stage - half naked in a Mala - and THEY are missing it! Dozens of premies begin to fry! Some run, crashing into kiosks - and lose the ‘feeling of gratitude’—others actually think and sweat, about missing a Darshan opportunity that they traveled hundreds of miles to experience - OH, to sway, mindless, with thousands of their brothers and sisters - for at least 3 minutes! It’s Holy Hell!

Only with calm, clear thinking and questions, by the THREAD EYE KNIGHTS, can they be saved.

RT-SAN: Quick! Boot up www.Ex-Premie.org.
Forum! Active Index!
To: Everyone.
From: Careless Castinyoga
RE: PRACHAR WARS
MESSAGE: PREMISOLD ONE: THE RANT-OM MENACE..continued in Ch 2.

MAY THE FARCE BE WITHOUT YOU

JUST SAY KNOW
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Date: Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 16:22:19 (EDT)
From: Careless Castinyoga
Email: Ding!
To: All
Subject: PRACHAR WARS ch 2 of 3: a play
Message:
P R A C H A R W A R S

A sarong time ago, in a residence far, far away...

A vast sea of stars serves as the backdrop for the main title, followed by a roll-up, which crawls into infinity. Out of a donut of light comes the words:

PREMISOLD 1: THE RANT-OM MENACE
Chapter 2

May 31, 1999: RAWAT has just danced half naked before 4, 278 screaming followers in Miami Beach, for 3.65 minutes. The Planned Worldwide Satellite transmission ended abruptly when Unit NEVR-4, broadcasting Maharaji’s Brother-In-Lord, Bal Bagwan-Ji from India, crossed frequency. And so, the stage is empty, (but the Merchandise Mall is open - and will be for 3 hours) as thousands of Premies sit, feeling the Hum of Knowledge, technique #3. Brainwashed from hundreds of video screenings, most attempt to associate the experience within as equal to a personal relationship to Maharaji. Their inner being at peace, but their minds think- incorrectly - that RAWAT is the source of the love, worthy of dedication. Some cry and pray, ‘Oh Maharaji. please let me do more Serve-Us! when I return to my rathole’ This trap is known to the THREAD EYE KNIGHTS as FORCING YOUR HANS’ or‘MYSTICAL PISSED-IANITY’, due to the anger that follows from eventually realizing 'What a fool I’ve been!

+


HALL USHER 1 and EV 2 stand before DARTH SMITHIUS, an Instructor in the Ways of the Farce.


EV-2: The program was incredible. I know were not supposed to talk about our experiences, but I feel ..blasted, tired and relieved all at once. And broke, I bought too many video tapes!

HU-1: Really! I’m so glad Mirargy danced, maybe he will wear the Krishna Crown....maybe on Pay-per-View TV! Only $39.95 per event!

DARTH SMITHIUS: Shh...You didn’t hear this from me, but a friend at the Residence said... M had his Krishna suit re-fitted and the tears cry-cleaned, by Indian Premies who flew in at the expense of an entire village, to do Serve-us. AND they brought hand-dyed threads from The Eye of the Needle!

EV-2: Ohhhh..my Gawd....Uh, what’s the ‘Eye of the Needle’?

DARTH SMITHIUS: That’s a Premie Business in Dera Dung, an Amtext Enterprise.. They say Kabir worked there 600 years ago!

EV-2: Really? Wow.

HU-1: Listen, Security says the Ex-Premies are still here. We dare not go against them now, I don’t want to have to think until I go to my job!

DARTH SMITHIUS: You seem worried about the THREAD EYES. We are monitoring them. Are you having doubts?

HU-1: No, but the Internet is world-wide and I was worried that people will start to think and reason and get into their concepts and miss out on the love and that beauty and this opportunity to give the money for all those years so that HE can fly in that comfort....

DARTH SMITHIUS: Chit, Chit! Tongue up! Thinking causes stinking!

+

OBI-NON and RT-SAN are watching Premies - only buy ‘Compassion’ mugs in the Mall of Maya. 'That’s java jive,’ thinks OBI-NON. If the average premie spends $25 at program x 4000, =$100,000 - 30% cost of product = $70,000, not bad for a one day event, considering all labor is free. Multiply that times the number of programmings per year. With no labor, one would think the prices would be lower. Perhaps if so many had not left the cult.

OBI-DONE: Wow. Did he put on weight! Did you see his love handles? - More like.. docking clamps!
RT-SAN: Belly Button Darshan means: desperate. The numbers are falling, according to Thread Eye Knight Gail: The Montreal Hall is closing - it was the largest in Canada. PPSR needs more. His bare chest is dwarfed by his bare faced lies; this is the Holy Fame. To wit: The Lying shall lie! Down with the Lambs! Everyone Pranam!

OBI-NON: Amazing, you guys actually prostrated before a photo of a fraud.
So, what about the Media?

RT-SAN: It is time to Get Our Click Together! The Ex-premie.org web site has a lot of history on DLM/Elan Vital, data you can’t find anywhere. It’s like LINUX, a labor of wisdom, and is by contributed to by hundreds of de-programmed Xers- who debate and learn with each other. Real content, not edited, alive, questioning, truth-seeking, as compared with the brainwashed Enjoyinglife.org, where the truth is found...to be lies.
I’m referring to the heavy editing of submissions, as proven by an recent X-ercise.

OBI-NON: Chit, Chit, bull-shit! So, develop an electronic Press Kit?
E-Mailing the Web Pages to hundreds of libraries - where the videos are shown? How about ‘Letters to the Editor’ of Satellite Dish Broadcasting - about the cult’s history?

RT-SAN: Yes. Either way, ‘JUST SAY KNOW’ could be typed in the email ‘message’ box.

OBI-NON: What do we do now?

RT-SAN: I’ve already uploaded an fictional account of the event. I only want to save someone from Bhakti Bankruptcy! If this cult is so perfect, why are there so many Ex-premies - especially from the higher ups, those close to The Master? Remember, Balyogeshwar burned his family, too. Prem Pal SINGED Rawat! And his brother claims to be the TRUE Perfect Master.
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cont in ch 3
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Date: Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 16:29:47 (EDT)
From: Happy
Email: None
To: Careless Castinyoga
Subject: Great!
Message:
Just great! Absolutely hilarious...
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Date: Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 16:32:18 (EDT)
From: Careless Castinyoga
Email: Bingo!
To: All you Guys and Gals
Subject: PRACHAR WARS ch 3 of 3: a play
Message:
PRACHAR WARS
ch 3

HALL USHER 1 and EV 2 walk with DARTH SMITHIUS, towards the Maya Mall.

EV-2: I ‘m not sure of this idea of yours to meet the Ex-Premies. The program is finished! We dare not go against all the Grace and see these two Thread Eyes!

DARTH SMITHIUS: What could they do? Use Logic? History? Facts? These worldly things mean nothing to a true devotee.

RT-SAN and OBI-NON rise to meet the approaching 3 Premies. RT-SAN removes a small box from his laptop pack.

RT-SAN: Hello. We meet again.

DARTH SMITHIUS (DS) : Welcome to the World of Knowledge. It’s been a long time.
I remember we last met 3 years ago when you gave me a letter describing your girlfriend’s failed aspirancy. I believe her complaint was the zombie-like behavior of the Premies at the selection process. I passed your letter on. Did she return to Knowledge?

RT-SAN: You remember well. No, I solved the problem by revealing the techniques to her.

DS: Oh? This is not allowed. What happened?

RT-SAN: She had an nice, calming experience just breathing, free of The Master Concept, and practiced for a month, then stopped. She is naturally happy anyway.
In our X-perience, Knowledge can be enjoyed at any time, Master is not included. Toward that goal, I bring you this gift. Here...this is for you, from THREAD EYE SCIENTIST ‘Jim.

DS: (opens small box.)..What is this?!?

RT-SAN: These are yellow foam earplugs inserted into the fingertips of a surgical latex glove; the tips are then cut off near to the earplug...We call them ‘Brainwash Condoms, for Practicing Safe Sect’ They stop 98.6% of Maharaji’s
Mind-fucking Rants!

DS: Exxx-cuse ME?

RT-SAN: There’s a disclaimer on the box: WARNING: INSERT SECURLY OR ELSE BE USED AS DIRECTED!

DS: I find your attempts at humor pathetic.

RT-SAN: Perhaps, but many more people find your freeloading visits to communities over the last 20 years a real draino, kiddo. Tell me, how is your resume looking these days?

DS: I have no need of such.

OBI-NON: Freelance Philosopher, eh? Obi-non, you’ve met an original suitcase parasite: A Scam-soniter.

DS: Let’s go back to your friends' girlfriend. She stopped practicing and so feels no experience, she has wasted her time and will never know the love.

RT-SAN: Rawat tells YOU what to think. The love for God in the heart is innate. Arrogant Yuppie you are to think this the only way. Elan Vital markets Maharaji and his Product, words and images, which sometimes remind one to ‘Go Within.’ But Socrates said KNOW THYSELF. ONLY. Rawat’s Master-baiting is very selfish! So this Superior Power in Person as sung to in the devotional ARTI, fooled millions into believing that The Rawat was ‘inside’ the devotees; the giver of breath’ as he recently said. That is wrong! For those who appreciate religious morals, there is conflict with the ‘1st Commandment: I AM the Lord thy God, thou shall not have any other gods before Me

DS: But is easier to love a person than an abstracted Universal Energy / Being. What could be possibly wrong with gratitude towards a giver? He does give Knowledge away....

RT-SAN:...Like a loss leader in K-Mart. Gratitude = Servitude = $$$. What you focus on, expands. Maharaji’s focus is on himself - mirrored through others. That 1972 slogan, ‘Give Me Your Love and I will Give You Peace’ was a little inaccurate! Don’t you realize, devotion to Rawat diverts and distorts the love for God? It’s weird! Loving a human that much is the lazy way. Idle Worship.

DS: Those days are over. You bring up the past, everyone has moved on. People change.

RT-SAN: Divine Light Mission is the one foundation you cannot erase, so you re-paint the prison! The ‘gift’ of devotion is a very subtle manipulation, and is adaptable to any personality. To make a Prophet you need large numbers and an early start; a young boy from India who inherits his Dad’s business.Yeah, that’s the Way, Guru it! I admit, I was fooled and I am still paying off past VISA debts from program expenses.

Yet, you shall know him by his fruits: Brainwashed followers, paranoia, thousands of who pay for the privilege to be close to the special illusion of Maharaji’s divinity, merchandise, overpriced videos, luxury cars, jets, several residences,. Yes, there are Knowledge sessions, organized at great expense, like the investment that it is. He gets credit for that. But prior to The Knowledge Session is video indoctrination, a long term goal being to reduce thought and criticism. Hypnotic Multimedia shows of Indian Darshan lines are created to elevate Maharaji’s status a being to revere: Hinduism. Deceptive, canned introductory programs; Dedication is not discussed. Questions ? ’All your questions will be answered in the videos.’ Premies can’t speak their minds because there is so little left! Cult Or Religion? Or both.

DS: You have left room in your mind for doubts, my friend I’ve had enough of your brain farts. You think too much! Relax and enjoy. However, I will have to alert security, and bar you from future events. I am sorry for you. Good bye!

OBI-NON: Yes, the dour is always open.

RT-SAN: Listen. I came to teach you, for you may influence many.
Exhilaration begins...at defeat of the Master. John F. Kennedy said, The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie deliberate, contrived, and dishonest but the myth persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. OK. One last question: who will pay for your retirement?

DS: I am contented to own few possessions. Materialism is a trap.

RT-SAN: Still a Scamsoniter, eh? Then, this is surely the Selfish way, for now you are a burden to others. Better learn Hindi, Pal. Do you really think Rawat will give you money at age 65? Even if he did, there are so many others; so it will not last long. You lost hundreds of thousands in potential earnings, to a franchisee from India. And what, after over 1,000 weeks in this trip, have you got to show for it? A huge video collections and some photos?! So! Enjoy this Life!

DS: So Long.

RT-SAN: So long, and so hung - up! May the Farce be without you!

+

OBI-NON: Well, that was a good X-ercise. At least we got to keep our shoes on!

RT-SAN: Hey, let’s go for a swim! There are none so dry as those who will not sea.

With that the two THREAD EYE KNIGHTS walked to the ocean and swam off into the sunset, to their craft the Forum III, and towards new on-line adventures.

MAY THE FARCE BE WITHOUT YOU

JUST SAY KNOW

E P I L O G U E

‘What is a cult? A cult is a religion that has not yet become a religion.’ -Maharaji

The Thread Eye Knights are taking a relaxing stroll during the few milliseconds of modem burst before they go on-line. As they walk along the beach, distant space photos from the Hubbell Telescope project behind them, in synch with their heartbeat..

RT-SAN: I thank you for your company, you are a good friend.

OBI-NON: You are welcome. So, what do you realize about M & K?

RT-SAN: It’s a pretend path. Rawat knows he isn’t the LOTU, but won’t renounce this or apologize for the brainwash. He pretends. His power grows from the early core adopters and their religious zeal. They pretend.

I heard once that the best scams come from India, where a glance is worth a full length movie. There will always be some who are dissatisfied with life as we know it, especially if you are told there is a thirst you must quench, and thoughts you must not think. As long as you accept the Master rap, it’s hard to leave this Pretend Theme Park. He shows a ‘Knowledge’, a pleasant meditation that others reveal, including his own brother. Coupled with the dedication expectation and you have something that makes being Selfish OK and special! Talk to the Premies, interact with them. See for yourself. They are his mirrors, thanks to repetitious video thought-implants.

OBI-NON: Why do you say selfish?

RT-SAN: In the entire history of the cult, there has been very little charity. DUO was to set up do that, in the ‘70’s, but it dissolved and was never reborn. The cult would rather teach a man to fish for his self, and then get him hooked on the lessons. Based on the reports in www.Ex-Premie.Org, Rawat’s mistake was in using people from a distance, lack of moral science, fanatical mahatmas; people issues. Therefore, only the Ex-premies and the World Wide Web can heavily reduce his operations, by X-posing the lack of integrity. None of us are as smart as all of us.

His 8th grade education limits his intellectual content to simple truths and stories; lots of opinions, and ramblings are edited out. His long plane trips as a pilot give him ample time to think up new creative surprises, as well as manage the day to day cult operations.

OBI-NON: How do you feel?

RT-SAN: It feels good to purge. Like Siddartha in Hesse’s novel, I am at peace. Life is so good: always just you and the CREATION. Look- isn’t it all so wondrous?

OBI-NON: nt, rt!

F I N I S
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Date: Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 19:37:28 (EDT)
From: Diz
Email: None
To: Careless Castinyoga
Subject: PRACHAR WARS ch 3 of 3: a play
Message:
RT, you're a wonder.

Not only funny, but some very clear content there as well.

May the farce be without you,

May you be with the creation

Thank you

Diz
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Date: Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 17:20:22 (EDT)
From: A Secret Admirer
Email: None
To: Careless Castinyoga
Subject: I laughed so hard that I
Message:
choked on my coffee. It's a good thing I was in the cult so long; otherwise, I wouldn't get your jokes! Thanks.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 00:41:37 (EDT)
From: Will the instructors ever
Email: None
To: RT
Subject: retire? When Darth Smithius
Message:
gets too old for the road show, he can always remove lint from the Lord's towels. Remember how MJ talked about the old Indian mahatma who needed new glasses so badly that he couldn't see anymore. Of course, the guy was very grateful that MJ bought him some new ones. MJ went on to say that the guy died while meditating.
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 01:11:03 (EDT)
From: spartakus
Email: na
To: Careless Castinyoga
Subject: PRACHAR WARS ch 1 of 2: a play
Message:
I WANT TO ORGANIZ A CLASS ACTION SUIT AGAINST MR. PREM PAL SINGH RAWAT AND HIS VERIOS ORGANIZITIONS/CORPORATIONS THE DAMAGE THAT THE DID IS GAINORMUS AND THE TIME HAVE COME FOR PAY BACK . IF YOU LIKE TO JOIN POST AMASSEGE ONTHE SITE THANKS INADVACE. spartakus
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Date: Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 13:19:39 (EDT)
From: Walter
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: More Phase II
Message:
Many of you will be getting a letter soon from Elan Vital, if you have'nt already. I got a letter today saying that I could receive Maharaji's sattelite broadcasts in my home via Pay-Per-View Television. You gotta buy a sattelite dish, there are some suggestions on dish purchases in the letter, and his live program feed would cost $139.96 for a package of four events, or $39.99 for each individual event.

The Miami broadcast is available to be shown in people's homes who already have a dish, once they pay Visions International the down-link fee.

So live events are going to be shown in people's homes on television starting the end of this month. The letter came with a Pay-Per-View Order Form c/o Visions International. The Argentina and Canada events, in June, are also available on T.V.

So Maharaji's found a new source of income; Pay-Per-View. Interesting....
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Date: Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 13:35:13 (EDT)
From: Blue Bird
Email: None
To: Walter
Subject: More Phase II
Message:
Walter,

Does this mean we get to pay and watch someone bite his ear off;-)
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Date: Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 14:05:27 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Blue Bird
Subject: BWAH! HA! HA! HA! HA!
Message:
Bluebird: You know how to make a guy spit coffee on a keyboard....BRAVO! ;-)
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Date: Thurs, May 27, 1999 at 20:34:48 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: Blue Bird
Subject: BWAH! HA! HA! HA! HA!
Message:
Blue Bird,

You are too much!

I have a question. If Mike Tyson cannibalizes his opponents by chomping off an ear, then who or what part of the body does Maharaji prefer?

Luv ya,
Mary
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Date: Fri, May 28, 1999 at 07:29:39 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Mary M
Subject: BWAH! HA! HA! HA! HA!
Message:
Dear Mary,
Their heart I guess, or their wallet if it is on them. ;)
Love,
Robyn
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