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From: May 27, 1999 |
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Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 02:47:22 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Help! How to meditate? Message: I have a friend who is using the four techniques of Knowledge as revealed exclusively by Maharaji, but has cut out going through Maharaji and has simply picked up the techniques for free here at Ex-Premie.Org. My friend is now asking me how to make the most out of the techniques. Other than sending me money on a monthly basis what can you suggest? This is a serious request, so let's not get too weird here, ok? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 03:41:27 (EDT)
From: x-0-x Email: No thank you. To: barney Subject: Help! How to meditate? Message: Just say no. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 06:50:09 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: x-0-x Subject: Help! How to meditate? Message: Much better to invest the time in learning another language, a new dance, how to play a musical instrument, reading a good book, writing poetry, painting, going to the park, making love, cooking a good meal, answering all those letters, raising a family, learning to ride a bicycle, going fishing, gardening, taking up a sport, doing some charity work. We all get to see god when we die. What's the rush? Anth the Worldly. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 08:28:37 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: AJW Subject: Help! How to meditate? Message: I have to agree with AJW, Barney. Unless your friend is really getting something from the techniques, I'd suggest that he just drop them. One thing I definitely wouldn't do is press for an experience with them. I know M says this too, but right after he does he starts telling you about THAT love, THAT peace, and THAT understanding that Knowledge is. In reality, it may be or it may not be. It's up to your friend to decide. One thing I suggest that he definitely, and I mean DEFINITELY, doesn't do is think that he's doing something wrong if the techniques don't work for him. If they don't its because they're obviously not meant for him. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 09:35:59 (EDT)
From: gregg Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Help! How to meditate? Message: Tell your friend to use some different techniques without the baggage these techniques have: eapecially that they don't work without devotion to a certain fat and fraudulent guru. There are thousands of meditation techniques out there. Watching one's breath (the sound, the texture etc.) is always good. And, as a previous person suggested, loving and attending to ones friends, families and even colleagues is a wonderful thing. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 11:32:23 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: barney Subject: Get your groove thang Message: Maybe it's hard to relax into holy name without the benefit of thousands of hours of satsang so painful, I conditioned myself to go into holy name as a means of escape. Kind of a dissociative avoidant thing, ya know? But your question is serious, sorry. I would recommend just relax and don't think too much. Don't try too hard. Focus on the light during light, focus on holy name during holy name etc. If your friend likes one technique over another, tell him to just do that one. He doesn't have to do 'em in any order.He doesn't have to do each one for 15 minutes. He can do the whole thing in 5 if he feels like it. Whatver helps him relax. After all, that's what it is, a relalxation technique, nothing more, nothing less. And like others have said if it doesn't get his groove thing going (no, not THAT nectar groove thing, the relaxation groove thing) he can find some other means. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 11:33:52 (EDT)
From: gregg Email: None To: gregg Subject: Help! How to meditate? Message: I take back what I said about him being fat. OK, well, maybe he is, but: there have been fatter gurus who have been cool enough...Nityananda, for example...but 'fraudulent' stands. Along with fatuous, foppish, and fucked-up. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 14:16:25 (EDT)
From: Way Email: None To: Barney Subject: Help! How to meditate? Message: The four meditation techniques of 'Knowledge' are not particularly recommendable, in my experience. In fact, I consider them as a whole to be actually counterproductive, by which I mean they tend to promote a striving for a particular experience whereas meditation should be a non-striving. Plugging your ears and making an effort to concentrate on a particular sound is very uncomfortable. Light technique is also an uncomfortable effort. And forcing your tongue to the back of your throat in hopes of tasting the nectar of the gods or some such thing is uncomfortable as well, not to mention embarassingly ludicrous. Holy Name, as once taught, is regretable as 'so hung' tends to evoke images of a not-particularly-spiritual nature (as least for those of my sexual persuasion), and the updated version of Holy Name as the master pushing you on a swing is for gopie-types only. Meditation should be, firstly, comfortable, secondly, enjoyable, and thirdly, helpful to one's psychic well-being. The technique(s) used should help the practitioner relax while the mind slowly quiets without sleepiness. The state of consciousness made possible by such practice opens both the mind (to inspiration) and the heart (to universal love). This is our highest nature which we all yearn to experience. For a guru to attempt to highjack this natural experience as his own gift to give uniquely to his followers is an outrageous crime. Not only is Rawat not God in human form, he is also a lousy meditation teacher with his insistence on forcing the body in four unnatural positions for 15 minutes each. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 14:34:05 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Way Subject: So-Hung Message: Way, That was funny about so-hung! I liked your post and agree with you on all of it. Once when I went to the Res. PAMS were joking about SOHUNG because it had been changed these days I believe. They had so much charge on the area that they were laughing hysterically. Little did they know, or if they thought about it they would know, that thousands are taking it very seriously - to their detrement. Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 16:45:26 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: gregg Subject: Help! How to meditate? Message: I agree! We all know overweight people who are stunningly beautiful inside and out. If M weren't so ugly on the inside we wouldn't poke fun at his outsides Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 14:20:21 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: gregg Subject: This is how if you must. Message: Definately tell him no to put his fingers on his eyeballs and his fingers in his ears - he wiil get arm-ache - bigtime. Take it from many who know. It's easier to just sit there watch thoughts as they come and go, focus on the light if it's there naturally and focus on the breath if it's there - nice and regular. Forget music, it's not natural. If it is there it's probably something physical. definately forget the snot - it's messy. Otherwise, forget it and get creative like the Meister Anthony advises. By the way has anyone heard of an K Instructor actually instructing premies with practicing K? I haven't and I think it stinks. Peace and Love, Swami Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 14:10:13 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: AJW Subject: Help! How to meditate? Message: Anth, You are TOO funny! Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 18:35:47 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Liz Subject: Help! How to meditate? Message: Liz, Don't mock the afflicted. Anth Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:14:20 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: AJW Subject: TeHeHe Message: I like the sounds of that. Are you sure about seeing god later? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 18:44:14 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Gail Subject: TeHeHeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Message: hi Gail, Unless she's split after last time I saw her. At that time, it seemed like she went on forever, so I figured she'd still be around when I pop my clogs. I've got to go, I think I'm having an acid flashback. wooooooooooow, ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh i t s a l l g o i n g s l o w l eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee now gail it's all now i see ittt uuuurrrrggggghh goodnight from whatever my name is. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:04:38 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: AJW Subject: Ahhhh, the TRACERS...... Message: AJW: Your flashback just activated my flashback...... Have you ever searched for the little man that sits next to the fire in the tip of your cigarette?????? He's right underneath that darned ashflake....You can almost see him if you look really hard.... OH, you haven't?????? AHEM!!!! neither have I ....... Never mind he he he he ;-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:29:06 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Mike Subject: The little man Message: Hi Mike, His name is Ashley. He lives in Ireland most, but sometimes gets sent on missions abroad by the pixies (who to him are incredible giants). He is sent to humans when their minds are most receptive (tripping etc) to give them incredibly important messages that will change the course of their lives. I hope you weren't playing loud music or anything when you saw him, and missed the message, Mike... oh no Mike, ...you did get the message didn't you? Flanth the Ashback Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:49:31 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: AJW Subject: The little man Message: To Mike & Anth, Now I Know my sense of humour is back. I'm cracking up .C- R -A -C- K. Crack drip crack drip crack drip. Mike, You did didn't you? Ha HA Ha Ha ha hA h aHa h ah ah a h! Now I know what all those Tee Hee Hees are about! Thanks for the laugh! Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:24:19 (EDT)
From: Denise Email: None To: Y'all Subject: Acid (ot) Message: Did y'all know that acid never really died out? There were still electric Kool-aid parties at universities in the early and mid-80s and teenagers I've been in contact with in the last few years are all into it. The funny thing about that is they have this attitude that nobody else knows what it's like. Pretty funny. Sorry for going off topic, but this acid flashback topic just reminded me of a teenage know-it-all patient. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 10:54:56 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: AJW Subject: The little man Message: AJW; Yeah, I ....ahem.... heard it. It kinda went something like OOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMM, but not exactly. he he he he. He didn't give me his name, so I'm glad I finally know who that little guy was/is; THANKS! He's a real crackup.....always hiding under the latest ash flake....really hard to find, ya know. ;-) You know, his message got me into alot of trouble..... :-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Fri, Jun 04, 1999 at 04:41:41 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Mike Subject: The little man Message: But it would have been much worse if you'd missed the message. Did he tell you about the very long, very thin aliens who live in the electricity cables, and when you're asleep, drift out through the wall sockets, through the air, into your ear, to sap all your knowledge and transmit it to another galaxy, where it is used to power refrigerators in their supermarkets? You going to Glastonbury this year Mike? We could meet up at the Stone Circle and do some magic mushrooms. The Welsh hippies will sell you a big bag for £5.00. Anth the Midlife Crisis Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 18:50:21 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: barney Subject: Help! How to meditate? Message: Hi Barney - From what I've observed and read here on the forum, the famous 'four techniques' work very well for some people and less for others. By the way, I know a guy who received SEVEN techniques from one of Shri Hans's mahatmas (then working for Bal Baghwan Ji a.k.a. Sat Pal.) in 1994. He posted a lot of information about this on the forum in January of 98. The techniques he received went into a lot more detail about the actual breath meditation, and IMHO work better than what we were taught in the knowlege session. However, I guess Maharaji didn't think so, since he stuck all the breath techniques into one for packaging for Westerners. Anyway, my OWN experience is that a more active meditation works better for me. I have gotten better results from visualizing images (the heart of a flower, a beautiful landscape, etc). Also meditating on colors works very well for me. [I know this is contrary to M's teachings - I always remember that he said that you become what you meditate on (e.g if you meditate on a candle flame, you become the candle), but I don't believe that this is true.] Many ex-premies on the forum have said that they still enjoy the knowledge meditation. I respect this, but I also think there are different paths for different people, and that the K meditation is NOT the only way, or the 'best' way to meditate, or whatever. Take care - Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 18:59:56 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Meditators Subject: A question... Message: ...for any premies or ex-premies out there still practising the techniques. Maybe I missed something for 26 years, but on the fourth technique, does anyone ever taste anything more than snot? Antony the curious. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:09:05 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: AJW Subject: ask Sir David Message: I don't know what he actually TASTED, but he likes the technique a lot. P.S. Never saw light (except in the K session, albeit briefly), heard music, or tasted nectar myself. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:31:26 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Katie Subject: Sir David Message: Katie, Everyone knows British aristocrats have terrible taste. Anth the peasant. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:03:59 (EDT)
From: Diz Email: None To: AJW, Barney Subject: A question... Message: Hi Anth You should be asking that question to your premie friends. Would they answer? To me it wasn't about tasting anything really. It was another doorway to the same feel-good 'experience' as the other three techniques. Took me years of 'practicing' to click to that. BTW, I never could do the up the nose part of the technique. Barney For me the techniques have baggage, but that doesn't apply to your friend, so they may be good for him. I'd suggest he does whatever feels comfortable, both formally and informally. It's probably good to set aside some time to give full concentration to meditation, although the ability to tune in at traffic lights etc was also something I enjoyed, and still do at times. I think the techniques are just an avenue to a state of consciousness which is naturally there. So they may not be necessary long-term, once the 'place inside' is familiar. I'm no longer sure whether meditation is a good thing. It certainly feels amazing, at times - centred, free, love-filled. At other times it feels kinda spacey, and linked to anxiety. I don't know how much that's due to classical conditioning linking meditation to the weird stuff that happened to me around MJ, or how much it's a hazard of meditation in general. Sometimes I wish I could get back to the simplicity of the experience I once had: some ex-premies, like Robyn, seem to have a 'clean' experience. And no, premie lurkers, going back to MJ wouldn't help - the fear was about ten times worse when I was still trying to hang in there, which I did for many years. At least that's died down considerably now. Wish your friend all the best from me in his search for whatever. I guess that's actually a key question - what is he looking for in meditation? Diz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:38:49 (EDT)
From: Denise Email: None To: AJW Subject: An answer Message: Anth, The 4th or nectar technique was quite elusive for me for the first two years after I received K, even though the other three were quite strong experiences for me. Basically, I just didn't get it until I talked to another premie about it and he explained that it was not supposed to be an actual taste, but rather a feeling or vibration similar to the feeling of holy name or breath technique, except that it was felt in the throat area instead. When I tried it again after that, I was able to focus on that vibration, but never learned to really enjoy it as much as the other techniques except on rare occasions. Also, I just wanted to add that my impression of M's K sessions (only been to K reviews with him, though) is that they are quite vague and I wonder how well the new premies are learning the meditation. Maybe it was unusual that I had an individual session with an initiator, but it was quite detailed, esp. about holy name. When I received a K review from Padarthanand (he was by far the sweetest, highest initiator in my eyes), he was also quite detailed about exactly where one feels the vibration in holy name, etc. That really helped for me at the time and I can't imagine understanding the experience or what one was supposed to focus on with M's vagueness. (I admit I feel a little guilty dissing his teaching methods at K sessions). I'm also glad I didn't learn the So Hung thing, it would've messed me up I think. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 05:30:35 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: AJW Subject: TO AJW : RE:NECTAR. Message: Hi Anth, Yup the nectar is delicious......I started to taste it about 3 months after 'receiving' k. all the best Jethro Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 20:27:26 (EDT)
From: Nil Email: None To: barney Subject: Help! How to meditate? Message: Are you an idiot barney? You come and ask the people on THIS site for advice on how to meditate? I agree with AJW, it would be better instead to learn how to rhumba. Of course if he did want to go to the place where he could get help with the techniques, this site has probably fucked that up for him. Oh well, what do you care? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 00:56:33 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Everyone Subject: AFF Message: I just checked the American Family Association (AFF) website and I noticed that they have links to this site, to J-M's site, and I guess, for the purpose of showing what cult-members really have to say, they have also included the ELK link. AFF, the leading professional organization concerned about cults and psychological manipulation, was founded 20 years ago in 1979. I think they were formerly known as CAN (Cult Awareness Network) until Scientology sued them out of business a few years ago. AFF is known for building its: practical educational services for families, former group members, helping professionals, educators, and young people on a base of scholarly study and research. I have been sending them emails for about the past year asking that they list something about Maharaji and his cult and to link this website and they finally have. Here is the main link: www.csj.org This is the specific link to the page showing the Elan Vital/Maharaji/DLM entries: www.csj.org/links/links_eastern_based.htm They have a lot of helpful information on the website about how to deal with getting out of a cult and what someone should think about before getting involved in any group that could possibly be a cult. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 01:28:26 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: JW Subject: Added to Links Message: Yes, the AFF is an excellent resource. I've added it to the Ex-Premie.Org Links Page Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 02:43:02 (EDT)
From: x-0-x Email: No thank you. To: JW Subject: AFF Message: You have just won the 1st annual award for putting forth effort for a Nobel purpose. But really that was a real good thing that you helped get done, I mean like really. Thank You Caveat/I do not want that Organization or any Organization except for my own, to speak for me............. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 03:47:10 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: JW Subject: AFF Message: Dear Joe, Well this is great news! :) I know you've posted about this group before and I am glad they are there at all and that they have listened to you. Thanks Joe. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 10:21:17 (EDT)
From: RT Email: ommm...oh, I mean none To: All Subject: Join this Anti-Cult email Message: thanks for the AFFable tip! I signed up for newsletter as it is useful for wisdom and free. Click. ooooh....Let's fill one out with EV or PPSR's address in Malibu. Anyone know of an Elan Vital EMAIL address? It is a required data field. or, Send it to premies you know!! just say y'know. RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:04:13 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: RT Subject: Hey Everyone Message: If you go over to AFF's site they have a place where you can e-mail comments. If anyone would like to, please send them an e-mail thanking them for including this site on their webpage. Also, if you have any suggestions for other info they should include, including current updates on what M is doing, they might include it in their newsletter, which, as RT said, if very interesting. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:18:39 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: JW Subject: Thanks to JW... Message: ...for doing this. Your effort is much appreciated - thanks for taking the initiative to do this. Take care - Love from Katie P.S. I'm still looking for that LOTU video - drop me a line if you get a chance. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:55:20 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Katie Subject: Sorry. Message: Thanks, Katie. Yeah, I know about LOTU. I've been REALLY busy, but I dropped it off today for copying and I will try to pick it up tomorrow and get the original sent to you. Promise. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 09:41:15 (EDT)
From: Happy Email: None To: JW Subject: Sai Baba exposed Message: Joe, I also checked out the AFF link and got absorbed for 10 hrs... Interesting stuff. I especially enjoyed getting into the Indian CSISOP, and B. Premanand's excellent exposures of Sai Baba and other Indian gurus. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 22:50:41 (EDT)
From: Keith Email: None To: Everyone Subject: who knows ? Message: Who knows ? What is really appropriate for anyones growth? I am my own captain steering my own ship. We all influence each other. But in the end who is to say what is right and what is wrong ? I am no longer a follower of Maharaji or anyone else. I follow my own heart and mind. I try to. And that is radical in itself. I am not a hater of Maharaji or anyone else either. Why should I be? He helped me plenty. So have others. But when the student is ready to leave the teachers and schools behind and strike out on his/her own ...so be it. Before that we all seek mentors, models and guidelines to help us find our way. It is not mature to stand in judgement (like a little god) and claim knowledge of who or what is ultimately good or bad ....or right or wrong. History itself is a document of biased opinions and ethical interpretations. Yes...it could be said that a perspective like mine is too abstact and open...but I would suggest that every person could attune to their own conscience ..their own souls..and discover an inner mentor who would guide wisely and compassionately. My internet time is running out. Good wishes to everyone. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 22:53:40 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Keith Subject: Look what the cat dragged in Message: Keith, Sorry about your internet time. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 22:55:51 (EDT)
From: keith Email: None To: Jim Subject: Look what the cat dragged in Message: I have 6 minutes left. How are you jim? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 23:01:02 (EDT)
From: Keith Email: None To: Jim Subject: the cat dragged a keithie in. Message: I do hope that you are enjoying your life jim lad. I guess you are still giving them premies hell...er? Keep well. keith. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 22:59:37 (EDT)
From: I think Keith is really.. Email: None To: All Subject: Gerry !!!! Message: well, he COULD be. Seriously, how ya doin' Keith. It' s good to hear fom you. Mr. History Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 23:23:55 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Keith Subject: who knows ? Message: Keith, I appreciate your post. I learnt a lot from being a premie, some nice and some not so nice. But I also think M has done a lot of psycological harm to many people. He probably didn't mean to or do it intentionally but BY NOW he must be VERY aware that it's happened judging from the many psych's he has at large events. I also know that a lot of people were psycologically damaged when they went in and were looking for help. Now he says Knowledge can't solve problems and if you need to take meds then take meds and practice K. Many people were brain-washed into believing K was a cure-all type of experience so have not got the medical help they may have needed relying totally on practicing K and having great difficulty with it then beating themselves up about it. I have seen this many times. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 03:42:17 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Keith Subject: who knows ? Message: Dear Keith, Hi dear, if it is really you!? I was thinking, the only way I could know if this is really you is if you email me your wife's name. It doesn't matter really as I have said hello to you when it wasn't you a few times but I think maybe this really is you. Anyway if it is you, yes it is good to hear from you. :) Hope you are well. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 11:20:09 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Keith Subject: who knows ? Message: You sound totally dispassionate about the whole thing. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 02:23:13 (EDT)
From: Keith Email: None To: Robyn Subject: who knows ? Message: Dear Robyn, It is me. And Mirabai(Deborah) would surely say hello to you. We are separated now but on good terms. My love to you. Keith Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:15:06 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Keith Subject: who knows ? Message: Dear Keith, Sorry about your seperation but am glad it is on good terms. So nice to 'see' your back. Good luck. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 22:33:16 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Scratch your heart Message: to see it bleed. This just in on ELK. Maharaji and Jackie Gleason. These people are weird. Little love guppies all ready to spill their hearts over convention centre tablecloths. I'm telling my mum. Miami Beach: filling our hearts again Katharita Lamoza, Chester, NJ Maharaji walked on stage, and the anticipation that hung in the air broke into thunderous applause. Almost like an echo, a short time after he started speaking, a huge thunderstorm rolled through Miami, the sound of its thunderclaps resounding through the auditorium as Maharaji spoke to us. And like parched, dry land that hadn't seen rain for a long, long time, the audience soaked up every word. Three days earlier, I had arrived in Miami. For two weeks, a lot of the planning had been going strong - emails, conference calls, faxes. People who have never seen each other face to face became firm partners, teams were built overnight, everyone eagerly offering their help in making the event a success. The busy-ness, the occasionally frantic feeling of trying to put together a 2,000-person convention in just a few days, was not obvious once I got to Miami. At the Jackie Gleason Theater of the Performing Arts (called 'Topa' for short, once you become familiar with it), the atmosphere was calm in the midst of all the activity. All movement had its purpose, the pieces of a wonderful puzzle starting to fit into place. In the lobby, the tables were transformed from bare wood bearing the scratches of time to a collection of nondescript white tablecloths, then to acquire personalities as each area added - lovingly, carefully - the individual touches: Event Information, Visions, Translation, Seating and Registration, Special Needs ... Backstage, the loading docks were another hotbed of activity. And in the hall itself, translation equipment, modular sections for the stage, audio-visual equipment taking the trip from the docks to their designated areas, set-up crews making sure the quality is perfect, safety personnel making sure there are no wires to trip over, no sharp corners that might hurt someone. Translation headsets for all 8 languages (Spanish, French, Mandarin, Gujarati, Tamil, Hindi, Russian, and Portuguese), plus English for those who can't hear well, were placed on the attendees' seats. Although the event was 'for North American attendees only', the global feeling did not diminish. There were people from all walks of life, whose origins are from all parts of the world. An hour before the event, doors open, the guests began to take their seats, and the feeling of expectation grew stronger and stronger. The hall was completely full, our attention turned towards taking full advantage of the short time we would have to spend with Maharaji. Weeks of preparation leading to one hour of hearing him say something so old, yet always so new, to each one of our hearts. Was it worth it? Not even a question. You can read some of what he said on the Visions website, but the experience was, as always, not just in the words. And that was reflected so strongly in the faces of the guests as they walked out of the hall - some hugging, some crying tears of joy, some quietly remembering how precious this time has been and continues to be. Thank you, Maharaji, for filling our hearts again. © 1999 enjoyinglife.org. All rights reserved. |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 23:39:35 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: All Subject: Eat's yourheart out, don't it? Message: For one hour premies are 'blissed out'(group high or something) then for the rest of the time they are 'parched, dry land,' other than when they have a good meditation which can be quite rare. Even the time spent fussing over white table cloths doesn't really bliss them out they just hope it will because they've been told it will. This is my experience anyway. Any other premies out there feel this way? Maybe you are too brainwashed to know. All the Best to you. Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 00:48:19 (EDT)
From: Mw Email: None To: Jim Subject: Scratch your heart Message: I especially liked the copyright © . Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 01:04:51 (EDT)
From: Some K Missed Email: None To: Jim Subject: Scratch your heart Message: And that was reflected so strongly in the faces of the guests as they walked out of the hall - some hugging, some crying tears of joy, some quietly remembering how precious this time has been and continues to be, some bored to tears, some trying to figure out what they ever saw in the guy, some trying to get their money back, some looking like zombies, some staggering with exaustion after engaging in a couple of hours of forced, goofy adulation, some running out the doors screaming, some holding back vomit from hours of sickening new-age music, and some walking with the usual, blank, stares. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 01:54:40 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek Email: None To: Some K Missed Subject: Pavlovian! Message: YUCK! People who have never seen each other face to face became firm partners, teams were built overnight, everyone eagerly offering their help in making the event a success. Oh, yeah! Like Gail at Amaroo and Chef 'You're a liar and a thief'. God, more and more I dreaded those programs. I dreaded wearing the premie happy face. I despised those idiots trying so hard to do their service just so, so perfectly in the hopes of pleasing Maharaji. And then the old professional program premies and their air of superiority. Yet, inside you had come to the program (gone through some kind of hell to get there, usually) with some hope of this being the program where it all clicks and makes it alright. However, you know that that will not be the case. Sure, you'll catch a nice buzz and stumble out the doors and catch up with old friends at dinner, but in a week or two the feeling will be gone and you'll be wondering why you didn't buy a big screen TV instead of taking time off and paying big money for that one hour with Fatso. Yeah, just call me jaded and resentful. Don't miss it at all - the hype, the build up, and the let down. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 05:21:34 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Roger E. Drek Subject: Pavlovian! Message: the hype, the build up, and the let down. That says it all. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 07:00:32 (EDT)
From: Zac Email: None To: Roger E. Drek Subject: Pavlovian! Message: Hey Drek! I actually bought my big screen rather than go to one of the Amaroo events! 2 weeks later the program was over; I've been enjoying my big screen everyday for a year and a half. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 09:07:24 (EDT)
From: Bwa-ha-ha! Email: None To: Some K Missed Subject: Bwa-ha-ha! Message: funny. sad but true. Some afraid to mention what they are truly experiencing for fear of banishment, or just out of respect and concern for the preservation of the 'experience' their friends are sharing. Wouldn't want to ruin anyone's good time or experience of the sublime divine by sharing anything negative to cultspeak. Except one question, why is this experience of something 'so powerful' actually, SO FRAGILE!!!??? Love, Victoria Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 14:52:53 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Victoria Subject: Release Message: Hi Victoria, I haven't had the pleasure of talking with you before. My think on this one is that premies feel a tremendous RELEASE when they finally see M. They sometimes haven't seen their 'beloved Maharaji' (except every week on a T.V. screen of course) for a year or six months (which is a long time to build up negative emotion) and this release is a release of all the unhappiness, stress, loneliness, pain and all the other negative lower emotions that are built up in their hearts the rest of the year because they belong to a crappy cult. I remember having endless thoughts of envy, hate and anger because other people didn't seem to need to meditate and they didn't seem as screwed up as me. Since I have stopped practicing I don't feel like this anymose. The envy, hate and anger has gone naturally. So again, No One. Poo you.(Just kidding!) We are only angry on this site about ONE thing. And GUESS what that is. Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 09:24:06 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Jim Subject: To the moon Alice! Message: I'd rather see the real Jackie Gleason! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:08:44 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Helen Subject: Jackie Gleason is dead! Message: HOW SWEET IT WAS! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 16:51:11 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Gail Subject: Gail read this/Diz too! Message: Yes indeed. The Honeymooners was a great show--you talk about talent!!!! I loved his sidekick too, the skinny one, what was his name? He was a riot. Gail if ya head down to Florida to see Mary you're always welcome to stop by DC on yer way and stay with me. I thought about you going all the way to Australia and being stuck serving meals for nothin' at spoiled brat Daya's restuarant when you coulda been seeing the sights!!!! We coulda seen the world --the time we all wasted traveling and doing yucky service and getting yelled at in satsang with the bad cop good cop routine at those festivals (Diz I loved that in your post above in the brainwashing thread)!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 17:11:03 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Helen Subject: Norton (Art Carney) (OT) Message: That's who it was..... ;-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 17:20:23 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Helen Subject: Gail read this/Diz too! Message: Thanks, Helen. You guys are going to be sorry. I'll take the lot of you up on that. :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:28:10 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Gail/Mike Subject: You're welcome Gail...Mike Message: & thank you Mike fer the name! Gail I think you should see the world sans the lotus boy!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:26:02 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Jim Subject: Thunderstorm Incident! Message: Jim: '....a huge thunderstorm rolled through Miami, the sound of its thunderclaps resounding through the auditorium as Maharaji spoke to us.' Now, don't you know that this ....ahem.... incident, will be forever more known as the 'thunderstorm satsang.' Obviously, M was making his point with thunder, as opposed to the rainbows that would magically appear in Orlando..... Pretty easy stuff for the LOTU, doncha know! ;-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:35:23 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: All Subject: Thunderstorm Incident! Message: I've just remembered something M said before I got onto this forum. I expect you heard about it at the time. I remember it sounding a little pathetic for a medlomanic. Along the lines of 'More people like me than dislike me.' You could tell he knew about exes and defectors. In retrospect, he must have read the Forum. Counting the rest of the world along with the exes I would say this statement was untrue! Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:44:02 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Jim Subject: Scratch your heart Message: Why didn't Katharita tell us what he said? Maybe his words were blown away by a divine wind, into one of her ear, and out the other, finally coming to rest on the Visions website, so when she got to the keyboard, there was nothing in her brain anymore... I dunno.. Aunty Materpaneer. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 21:28:51 (EDT)
From: NoOne Email: None To: SPARTUKUS Subject: Spat Ass R U A Tukus? Message: SPARTAKUS SPat Ass R U A TUKUS ? It seems you cursed yourself. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 09:10:28 (EDT)
From: Victoria Email: None To: NoOne Subject: Spat Ass R U A Tukus? Message: Dear NoOne, R U Catweasel? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 10:21:05 (EDT)
From: CCCCCatweasel Email: T'is not I!! To: Victoria Subject: Spat Ass R U A Tukus? Message: Although I like it!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:11:41 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: NoOne Subject: Spartakus Message: Spartakus is Someone, not No One. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 21:27:04 (EDT)
From: Red Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Hope it's a great one Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 21:40:37 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Happy birthday Robyn (nt) Message: Ditto! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 21:48:36 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Happy birthday Robyn - June 2! Message: Dear Robyn - Your birthday thread got started a little early (although maybe not in another time zone?), but, as the official forum Birthday Goddes, you definitely deserve it. Have a wonderful day, with many happy returns. And thanks for being such a good friend. Love, Katie P.S. Hope your plumbing got fixed. That's probably ALL you want for your birthday at this point :)! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 22:07:50 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Katie Subject: Happy birthday Robyn - June 2! Message: Dear Red, Katie, and Gail, Thank you, I could like this, having my birthday all around the world! :) Yes my plumbing was fixed and I was busy bleaching the place by 3:30pm. Just finished actually. I told the plumber it was my birthday on Wed. so he would be sure to do it today! :) Now my house is CLEAN and I can just go to aerobics and enjoy my company for the rest of the day! Oh, my car breaks were fixed today also, so tomorrow should be a great day! Thanks guys. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 23:43:35 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Girl! Message: Hi Robyn, Very Many Happy Returns! Happy Birthday. I'm glad your plumming got fixed. Enjoy YOUR Day. What are you going to do tomorrow? Thankyou for writing to me. I look forward to your Email. Much Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:40:14 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Happy birthday Robyn - June 2! Message: With minutes to spare, Happy Birthday! It has been a great year to be able to read you. Reading your posts has been educating, entertaining and heartwarming and a hoot. Have another great year. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 22:27:06 (EDT)
From: RT Email: omm To: Robyn Good Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: be well, say oh well, ain't it swell, I lived to tell of of the cultic spell. And so Robyn was bolder, today you're older the surprise: her being is wiser! luv RT Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 22:54:41 (EDT)
From: Keith Email: None To: RT Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Happy birthday my dear. This is Keith (vacol) ect here. My love to you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 00:56:55 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Happy Birthday! I hope that you have a great day! Greetings from the Lollipop Guild! I seem to have misplaced my period key and can only end sentences with exclaimation points! Have a wonderful birthday anyway!!! Love, (comma seems to work) Michael Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 07:46:07 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Dear Mickey, I apologize before hand but I figure if you like Tom Waits, what the hell. I just can't resist. I found your damn period key and on my birthday!!!!!! I use !!!!! all the time anyway! :) and smile faces Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 17:50:02 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Mickey the Pharisee Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Mickey, Mickey, Mickey..... How many times do I have to remind you that you CAN'T have a period...... YOU ARE A BOY!!!! Happy Birthday, ROBYN! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 01:56:07 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek Email: None To: Red Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Yea! Happy Birthday Robyn! How's that dancing going? Love ya! Rog Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 07:43:20 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Roger E. Drek Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Hey guys, I enjoyed reading these posts so much, the little silly things that stand out between me and each of you, the dancing the Lollipop Guild ect. I am glad to say that I know most of you beyond this forum and it is also nice to hear from the people I don't. Some I am just getting to know now. You all bring much to my mind and heart. This little all but imaginary place. :) You've all been great company. :) Oh, I am having company today in my physical life, for my birthday, ... someone I met through the forum! :) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 07:48:49 (EDT)
From: Diz Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Hey Robyn That sounds mysterious. Should we guess who? Just wanted to add my happy birthday wishes to the rest. And to take this opportunity to say how much I appreciate your posts. They often hit the spot very accurately. I think it's something to do with your being such a very ex ex, quite happily over the whole trip - I'm not quite there yet. Enjoy Diz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 09:21:11 (EDT)
From: Victoria Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Hey Robyn, You're the greatest! Check your e-mail. Love, Victoria Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 08:54:53 (EDT)
From: Jerry Email: None To: Red Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Happy birthday, Robyn. Hope you have a good one. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 09:07:35 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Robyn Subject: A Happy birthday poem: Robyn Message: You're funny and kind You help me unwind You're totally cute Your emails are a hoot You're wise and astute What more can I say Have a happy birthday!! Love Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 12:25:50 (EDT)
From: Happy Email: None To: Robyn Subject: A late happy Robyn (nt) Message: nt Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:12:27 (EDT)
From: VP Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Happy Birthday, sweet Robyn! Love, VP Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 18:55:21 (EDT)
From: TD Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Hope you had a cracker of a birthday Robyn! Thanks so much for your presence and all your posts on this forum - you give it that extra little something - some good ole country goodness and wisdom, perhaps??? I wish Willi Kranz wasn't decomposing, 'cause I'm sure he'd give you a krazy krauty birthday greeting as well.....!! Love, Kirstie (TD) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 21:43:19 (EDT)
From: Nim Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Lots of love and best wishes. And I do thank you for yor support and kindness. You are beautiful Robyn. Love, Joey Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:56:57 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Red Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Sorry Robyn, I missed your birthday -- haven't been around much recently. I hope it was great -- I'm sure it was. All the best. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:13:02 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: JW Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Dear Joe and all, Thank you so much, Joe you didn't miss my birthday it is 6/2! I did have a great day and the plumbing was fixed on Tuesday and so was the car so everything was nice for the day, my friend came up and we took the dogs to the creek, which if you know anything about me you know that was the best place for me to be. :) Love you all! Thanks again to all for the birthday wishes! :) Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 23:02:37 (EDT)
From: Shp Email: None To: Red Subject: Happy birthday Robyn Message: Hey Robyn, I just wanted to pop in and wish you a happy belated birthday before this thread rolls over and becomes part of the tapestry! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 17:23:43 (EDT)
From: Mousie Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Guru Catweasel Message: Squeak, squeak! Normally I wouldn't squeak for my Master,but I just have to say that you exers should stop picking on Goowookaweezleji,he has given us so much!I know he makes ferocious-cat jokes,but he is only joking,don't youse know anything about Aussie-culture?Sure,he is in the U.S. now,but what the hell?it's a free country,isn't it?and besides,we have this cool cult speak-thing that we do for the internet,we don't waste any precious space where some punctuation can separate the letters for us,OK?so just leave him alone,i miss him already,has barney done something with him?here,kitty,kitty,kitty,hisssssssss.don't youse know that cat=killer,remember he said that?so what?weasel=carrion-eater,remember?hahahaha Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 08:11:21 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: Feline Fantasy To: Mousie Subject: Guru Catweasel Message: Hullo mousie ,you remind me of a trap I once saw! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 09:43:32 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Guru Catweasel Message: Hiya Catweasel, Howya doin' down there? One of your comments prompted me to start a thread below, 'What's a cult?' I wondered what you thought a cult was? Anth the confused. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 10:24:02 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: H'mmm To: AJW Subject: Guru Catweasel Message: I think its a small boat used by the ancient Britans.Usually made from reeds? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 17:50:19 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: The day my mother died Message: Hi Cat: I thought you disappeared on me. For twenty-three years my mother kept telling me I was in a cult. She reiterated this just days before her death. We argued this point tooth and nail. I knew it wasn't a cult because had jobs in the world. We were not separate from the world or our families (we didn't have to be--we had already severed ourselves emotionally years earlier). My involvement with MJ helped to put a big wedge between my mother and I. She was upset that I had started taking my daughter, Chandre, to the programs, but she didn't say anything that time. We went to Long Beach, 1996 and left her alone for four days. She was still mobile when we left. Unfortunately, she lost mobility before we returned. She managed to crawl over to the phone and get a few friends to help her to the washroom and bring her glasses of Ensure. She was a little dehydrated by the time we returned because she didn't want to pee herself and help was scarce. She died that January, 1997. I almost went to a video the night she died, but I got a funny feeling I should stay home. Usually, I would always pick the video or going to a program over anything else, regardless of my gut feelings. This time I just stayed beside her. If she had died that night, I would have died a thousand deaths. I'm glad she didn't die alone, but I didn't feel as much love for her as I would have liked to. As it turns out, I did love her--I was just numb. So many times I've wished her back since I found this site. I never got to tell her how right she was. It would have been nice to talk about how I was feeling with her. She was a nag, but when the chips were down, she was the only one who was ever really there for me in my whole life. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 17:56:18 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Cat Subject: The day my mother died Message: I've got to start proofreading! Choosing MJ and EV things helped to put a big wedge between my mother and me. If I had chosen to attend the video the night she died, I would have died a thousand deaths. Especially now that I am filled with doubts. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:18:03 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: anthginn@yahoo.com To: Gail Subject: The day your mother died Message: Hi Gail, I found what you wrote moving. I've got a feeling we all find loads of things we wished we'd said to loved ones after they've gone. The best thing we can do is let people know we love them while they're around. And who knows, maybe there is a God, who, at the end of your life, lets you fast forward to the future to see how things turned out for your children. How old is Chandre? Did she receive knowledge? What are you filled with doubts about? Anth. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:17:44 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: AJW Subject: The day your mother died Message: How old is Chandre? 21 Did she receive knowledge? Nope! She really got high at the anniversary program; however, she wasn't willing to go to the videos twice a week for six months. She watched a few videos and went to Long Beach and Miami again. She asked Belkis for K. She was rejected and felt humiliated. She said she wouldn't bother asking again. What are you filled with doubts about? Everything! It's that brain-chemistry theory I've been hearing about. It seems sort of funny to be abandoning the search for the creator after all this time. My mother concluded that there was no god a week befoe she died. I was worried that she got an apartment in the city of death when she died since she never had K. Never mind me. How about you? You've stopped MJ and K and your wife is still into it. Your son has decided not to become involved on your recommendation. I'm sure this is a very dynamic time for you and your family. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 09:04:33 (EDT)
From: Catweasel Email: Look into my crystal ball To: Gail Subject: The day my mother died Message: When my mother died I was with her .She died of the big C.Jack the Dancer!I had recieved knowledge,practised and went to events and videos.When she became really ill,I just sat with her every night,for two weeks.I lived a long way from the hospital,about 60K's away.We had little babies,and I had a business as well.I didn't get to the events for a while,Practice was a bit ragged.But as she died,I had the most amazing expierence of just what life is and what I'd been shown.Does that make me a more spaced out P than you Gail? Or does it just mean we learn't a similar lesson from different Tangents at different times?I tell you what happened one day,Bye for now. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 18:50:22 (EDT)
From: AJW Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Bronze Age Water Transport Message: No mate, you've got it wrong. That was called a coracle. It could tell the future too. The ancient britons wove the reeds into saxophones which they played at when they got stoned around their henges. Also Cat, we should fine you a sixpack for avoiding the question. You still down under at Amaroo? You perhaps know my old mate John Sheridan? Anth the Heretic Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 11:07:14 (EDT)
From: Brian Email: None To: Everyone Subject: New email address Message: I'm no longer receiving email via this site, so please update your address books if you want to send me huge piles of e-money :) Happy Website, Barney! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 11:08:52 (EDT)
From: Brian Email: None To: Everyojne Subject: sheeesh... Message: Left out the darn address: It's katabria@apk.net. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 11:16:05 (EDT)
From: Brian Email: katabria@apk.net To: Everyone Subject: double-sheeesh... Message: It was a bug. Squashed it... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 05:55:26 (EDT)
From: x-0-x Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Legal Nightmare to his Domain Message: Legal Nightmare to enter his Domain !!! Have you looked at the, legalese to M’s Domain, “maharaji.com/maharaji.org”, it is a nightmare, it is such a, well you tell me what you think, I mean the language is in such a, what comes to me to say is, the Dark Side of the force? Seems like it wants to own you as much as possible, if you enter into it. To comment on what you have seen or heard or whatever, is illegal according to the legalese on that Site or should I say the way you are allowed by the, “Grace/their laws, legalese”, to comment is most restricted, to put it mildly. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 09:31:17 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: x-0-x Subject: Legal Nightmare to his Domain Message: That's extremely revealing of HIS view on the world, premies and other people! ... and what HE thinks about himself! What's a pity is that most of the premies are very likely ashamed of him giving such a bad image of himself. I can tell you I was everytime he used to say one more stupid thing during his addresses, or showing one way or the other he's illetrate and completely lacks of humanity. What's good is that it's very likely one more 'drip' for some of them. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 11:40:55 (EDT)
From: Minnesota Housewife Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Legal Nightmare to his Domain Message: Yup, he's sinking his own ship, that's fer sure there, you betcha. He needs a make-over too, my goodness he's kinda scary lookin'. How ya been there JM dearie? Have never been to Paris myself, but I did have champagne at the church supper last weekend don't ya know. Greetings from Mooseheadminniehaha Falls, Minnesota. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:03:49 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Minnesota Housewife Subject: Church Supper Message: Hi Minnie, Haven't seen you for a while. Now I'm getting my sense of humour back after 30 brainwashed away years I can see how funny you are. Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 16:36:05 (EDT)
From: Minnesota Housewife Email: None To: Liz Subject: Dontcha fret there, dearie Message: Thank you, dearie. I have a lot of sympathy in my heart for you folks here on the forum. I've certainly had my problems in life what with getting addicted to QVC, having an illicit love affair with Jahn Jahnson and all, ya know. Also, I've had preachers tell me I was going to hell and that really scared me and it was kinda like your guru scaring you about turning into a lizard when ya die or tellin ya that your brain is gonna turn into a rotten cabbage and all. But if I've learned one thing in my 54 years, dearie, God is a loving god and a forgiving God who loves us and wants us to grow. Why would he put us here and just make us all fearful and paranoid, now that just doesn't make sense to me. We have to come to Him out of our own free will, not with chains on us and brainwashing techniques and all. So dearie, I'll remember you at prayer circle, you betcha. Don't be afraid of that fat bloated guru, he's just a man who shits like you and me, excuse my French, ha ha. I subscribe to the teeny weenie peenie theory about that guru, he's compensating for having a small one down there with all his power trips--ha ha Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:22:02 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Minnesota Housewife Subject: Dontcha fret there, dearie Message: Minnie, When I read your threads I you sound like Robin Williams when he played Madame Doubtfire. Did you see that movie? Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 08:56:08 (EDT)
From: Minnesota Housewife Email: None To: Liz Subject: Dontcha fret there, dearie Message: Hello dearie, well, Mrs. Doubtfire was one of my favorite movies! My accent is a lot flatter and I talk much slower than she does , ya know, cause I'm from the Midwest. I think Mrs. Doubtfire was British & she had more of a lilt to her voice than I have. Ya know we're from Scandanavian descent so just imagine Sven Svenson or Lars Olaf or some some person and you'll get the accent down. Try this phrase: 'I'm goin' to the shop to get some pop and a cheeselog'--practice that and you'll get the midwestern thing down flat. I loved it when Mrs. Doubtfire (really Robin Williams) was on the bus, and the bus driver was looking her over and staring at her hairy legs and said 'I just love that Mediteranian look on women.' That was a hoot! Ha ha! Well dear, I have to go, I have some ladies coming over for a home decorating party tonight. I've got 3 home businesses going trying to get out of debt from my QVC addiction, dontcha know. I also got sued by that weasel Jahn Jahnson because I drove his tractor into his barn and I owe a lot of lawyer's fees and all. Through all these trials and tribulations I don't know what I'd do without the love of God beside me, you bet life isn't easy, dearie. God bless ya Minnesota Housewife Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:19:20 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Minnesota Housewife Subject: Dontcha fret there, dearie Message: Minnie, What's Q.V.C.? Love Ya, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 21:45:17 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: Everyone Subject: Still Looking for LOTU! Message: Hi everyone, I've gotten one copy of the LOTU video back in circulation, but I'm still looking for my other two copies. Can anyone who has a copy please e-mail me at the address above? I do have a list of all the people who requested the video, but since there's only one copy (that I know of) being sent around, it's taking a while. Appreciate your patience! Thanks, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 01:35:58 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Katie Subject: Still Looking for LOTU! Message: Katie we talked about that remember? You decided I should send mine to JW so I did. He wanted it for some friends. It's a wonder either of us kept anything together these last few months, bu tI did manage to mail it off. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 01:44:42 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Katie Subject: Still Looking for LOTU! Message: Hi Katie, I finally sent my copy off a couple of weeks ago - to Mary I think or whoever you requested me to send it to. Thanks Again. Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 12:22:17 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: Liz Subject: Thanks, Selene and Liz Message: Now I can narrow down the search (snicker)! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 09:25:59 (EDT)
From: Victoria Email: None To: Katie Subject: To Katie Message: Hi Katie, I'm working on my Journey. Could I e-mail it to you even though you are no longer web-mistress? I would appreciate your comments. Love, Victoria Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 12:03:44 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: Victoria Subject: To Katie Message: Sure thing, Victoria - I'd be really interested in reading it, and will make comments if you'd like (I am a free-lance editor, among other things...). My e-mail address is above. Take care - Love, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:24:01 (EDT)
From: Victoria Email: None To: Katie Subject: Thanks, I will soon (nt) Message: thanks Katie, you're the greatest. I've got up to the before and some of the during...will work more on it this week and next. Here comes that leaky faucet! drip, drip, drip. Love, Victoria Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:45:58 (EDT)
From: dv Email: None To: Katie Subject: Still Looking for LOTU! Message: The video went out Tuesday. Sorry, it was in a pile of boxes set aside for shipping, but as my wife is an 'unpaid employee', she does what she wants when she feels like it! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:22:40 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: dv Subject: Thanks, dv! Message: Maybe you should put your wife on the payroll, though! (I'm laughing, but I'm also thinking 'been there, done that'...) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 19:08:57 (EDT)
From: Mary Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Mary's Vent Message: Hi All, I just finished reading Gail's Amaroo post. My comments before I take a break from the forum: Lord of the Universe - Why don't you take your fat ass to Amaroo and eat macaroni the rest of your days. Durga Ji - You could have gotten laid by anyone you wanted in DLM/EV. Why the fuck did you have to go after a 15 year old, pimple faced boy? For god's sake his nuts hadn't even fallen yet. Couldn't you tell by his squeeky voice? Thanks for sticking us with him in the US. California Girl eeeshhh. Midwife - Hang up your certificate if your still involved. Spare the children from the world your master offers. Mahatma Hammerhead and Mahatma Kiddie Molester - may you get what you gave only reallll hard. Chuckie Cheese, Mr Clean, and every other 'International Business Man & Woman' in on the grift - may you have a thirst so raw and dry that you will beg for one drop of water and no one will be there to quench your thirst ... ever. Rob - Stay with the lap dancers. They're more your speed. Just make sure none of the girls end up roophied out. That happens often and ya never know maybe Raja & Prem Pal feel it's safer when there's no recollection on the girl's part. Cat, Nil, Sid .... you're not even worth the effort little guys. So to all you premies out there lurking... I say FOCK the lot of you. Oh, I forgot you're already focked. M Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 00:17:23 (EDT)
From: Nim Email: None To: Mary Subject: Mary's Vent Message: Mary, Thank you for sharing with us one of the most incredibly beautiful vents that have graced this page. Mare, I've been venting like a sonofabitch, but compared to this, mine have been like little, smelly farts. This vent had beauty, grace, punch, pissaz...you name it! Geez, what a turn on!! Mare,preciousness, sweetheart...as far as I'm concerned any babe who can vent like that is to die for. Take me, take me now...I'll let you have whatever you want...even my plastic pyramid...its yours!! (although you do have to promise not to smudge MJ's fingerprints in case the IRS-Criminal Investigation Division wanna have a look at it. I know you'll handle it with care...perhaps even keep it in its hermetically sealed plastic bag, somewhere safe and out of sight just like I do so I won't be reminded of the prem prick who gave it to me) Just want to say I love you Mary, in my own weird way, but I do. And thank you for being a part of this forum. You really bring alot of beauty, intelligence and a sparkling energy to this place...and its all so very much appreciated. BTW, this is the stuff I was just about to tell you yesterday, but then our great and good friend, Jim...well,kind of got in the way. Doesn't matter really, it was a slow nite for Jim and I guess he needed a little work out:) The important thing is that I said it here and now...and that I mean it. Luv Ya, Nim Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 02:59:29 (EDT)
From: Sandra Email: None To: Mary Subject: Mary's Vent Message: Thank you Mary. That was truly from a place of inspired giving. Glad your Memorial Day was so much fun. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 11:19:14 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Mary's Vent Message: Mary's gone for a while. There's a lesson here for you premie lurkers. There is a great deal of true and very disturbing information shared here about DLM/EV and Maharaji. Even for us diehard, longterm ex's, the information can break our hearts again and again. We suffered losses when we went in (family, friends, property), while we were involved (self esteem, free will, money) and when we left (the only community we knew). For those involved for many years, and who devoted everything to M, including every available space in their hearts, the process of disengaging is psychologically traumatic and can take years to heal. Coming to terms with the fact that you based your life on a lie brings one's whole life tumbling down upon one. It can make you suicidal. And as we see here, the realization of the harm done to us, and that we did to others we loved while involved, can still haunt you years later. Don't think that Mary is a case of someone who 'can't get over it' and can't 'get a life.' She has and does. She has an extraordinary gift of sensitivity to injustice to others, especially children, and she reached overload for a time after reading some recent posts. Involvement with M means that intangible things are taken from your soul that it can and will takes years to understand and recover. That's why we're here -- we're trying to recover those pieces of our souls that we carved off while listening to vacuous satsang, donating money that led only to the enrichment of M and PAMs while the world we wanted to change remained the same, and as we gave up our families and friends in order to pursue what turned out to be M's dream of riches intead of our dream of world peace. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 12:02:50 (EDT)
From: Nim Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Thank You Marianne Message: Thank you for your post. It really captured so well the feeling of loss, abuse, even guilt. And the ongoing challenge as we move on and grow in our lives. As you said, That's why we're here -- we're trying to recover those pieces of our souls that we carved off... What you say is a very powerful statement of WHAT IT REALLY IS that brings so many of us to the forum. Excellently stated, and again, I do thank you for this. Nim Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 12:17:00 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Nim Subject: You're welcome Message: Nim: You are welcome. I am glad I struck a chord with you. This stuff can hit you like a cannonball, even after being out for years. I felt physically ill when I first read here about the gold bathroom fixtures. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 21:55:43 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: Mary and Marianne Subject: Thanks, Mary & Marianne Message: Dear Mary - I can definitely understand the need to take a break from the forum - it can be very emotionally overwhelming at times, especially for an empathetic person. I hope you'll be back when you feel ready - don't forget to take good care of yourself. Thanks for all you've done for the people here. I know you've done a lot that people don't see, and I appreciate that. Love, Katie P.S. to Marianne: thanks so much to you as well for your most eloquently written post in behalf of Mary (and, really, in behalf of all of us). You wrote: And as we see here, the realization of the harm done to us, and that we did to others we loved while involved, can still haunt you years later. This has definitely been true for me, although the forum and the relationships that I've formed here have helped a lot, and have helped me heal. I hope they're helping other people to heal as well. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 13:04:25 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Mary Subject: Mary's Vent Message: Thanks for emailing me, Mary. Wherever you are I hope you are doing O.K. Hang in there darlin'. Look forward to hearing from you if you feel up to it. Much Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 16:17:17 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Liz, Marianne, Mary, Nim Subject: Thank you for the Vents Message: In this case, the words of a few express the feelings of many. Thank you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 17:28:50 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Amaroo sucked for me, Liz! Message: When I went to Amaroo in 1992, it was great. I got to stay on the land for free (of course I gave a $300 donation and worked my ass off in the dining room). The former instructors were anything but humble. Some of them had a problem even helping to clear their dishes off. The next time I went was an entirely different story. First, due to repeated requests for leaves without pay, I was declined. This turned me into a liar and a thief much like any drug addict. My premie doctor friend give me a leave-of-absence certificate for ten days. This meant a paid vacation on the backs of the taxpayers. Indeed, I was a liar because there was nothing wrong with me and a thief for taking my salary. I went to Daya's for lunch at $85 AUS per plate. I treated three other people including Anne Johnston (total = $340 AUS = $381 CAN). Due to understaffing and no training, the service was poor. I offered to help. BIG MISTAKE! MJ announced darshan the next morning and many of the Daya’s Fine Dining staff did not arrive. I am an experienced waitress, but I didn't have a clue about anything (baptism by fire). Everyone tried their best. We all worked nonstop like chicken's with our heads cut off for about six hours. I kept feeling guilty because the guests had paid so much. McDonald's would have been better. Another waiter suggested we eat before the evening programming and asked me to dish up the meals from the trolleys. The Spanish chef asked me to bring in the hot carts (6 of these huge mothers). I agreed to bring in two, which I did, because I still tables to finish and I wanted dinner. A short while later, this chef saw me outside with the two plates of food. He shouted, 'You are a liar and a thief.' There were about 100 service personnel people outside who heard him. I was speechless and started to cry like a little kid. He continued to say that I was stealing the food out of the cart (the other waiter had me scoop the leftovers because he knew this food was contraband for the slaves). I had not come for the preservice meetings so I didn't know about this RULE. The soggy leftovers were for the chefs and the lamb, beef, and shrimp were always reheated for the evening meal at $100 a plate. He said I was a liar because I had told him I was busy (busy having my first meal since 07:00 and serving dessert to a couple of tables). He should have done the job himself; he was getting paid to be there. He grabbed the plates from me and told me to pay $5 and eat the macaroni dinner that was made for the SERVE-US STAFF. Imagine having to pay for anything after slaving for that long for free. I left without eating. BTW, the chef had just come back from DARSHAN with the Lord. At this point, completely lost it. I could not get an emotional grip for two days. Many people tried to console me but to no avail. I was exhausted. I had flown for 28 hours with an invalid plane ticket (another BESTWAYS screw up) and a deep-rooted fear that I would lose my job. I sat up on top of the hill for the rest of the week. I was sorry to leave Australia but glad that the program was over. Of course, you know how it is--anything for the Lord. I did not go to Long Beach 1997. My next time to see the Lard was last May. I have not been involved since. I am so glad that I don't have to put myself through stuff like this anymore. MY LEAPS OF FAITH FOR GOD ARE OVER. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 18:35:05 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Gail Subject: Bestway Sucks, Liz! Message: Hi Gail, I moved a post from BOJ up. I guess you'd be expected to write a thank you to ms linda smith for the gracious service in Amaroo. Geez, even the international businessman probably got more than macaroni. They probably gave him some Bach flower remedies too. NMW, As for Bestways travel - I dont think it has any official or quasi-official status - but who knows? Maybe it does. I don't recall anyone even remotely pushing me to make my reservations through them. NMW - of course you don't recall even remotely being pushed. Sharks know the behavior patterns of lemmings quite well. Rob is correct. They don't need $50 from anyone. It's soooo easy. Do you think the Registered Agent of Bestway Linda M Smith is the same Linda M Smith of Elan Vital? <<<<<<< ELAN VITAL >>>>>>>>> CORP NUMBER: J69298 CORP NAME: ELAN VITAL FOUNDATION INC. TITLE: DPT NAME: BALE, JOHN K 516 N. PENNSFIELD PLACE, SUITE 108 THOUSAND OAKS, CA TITLE: VP NAME: MARGULIES, ALICIA I. 11900 BISCAYNE BLD #200 MIAMI, FL TITLE: DS NAME: SMITH, LINDA M 11900 BISCAYNE BLVD. #200 MIAMI, FL TITLE: D NAME: CIULLO, VIRGILIO J 516 N. PENNSFIELD PLACE, SUITE 108 THOUSAND OAKS, CA <<<<<< BESTWAY >>>>>>> NUM: V19568 ST:FL ACTIVE/FL PROFIT FLD: 03/09/1992 FEI#: 65-0317684 NAME : BESTWAY TRAVEL & CONVENTIONS, INC. PRINCIPAL: 420 LINCOLN ROAD ADDRESS SUITE 359 MIAMI BEACH, FL 33139 RA NAME : SMITH, LINDA M RA ADDR : 11900 BISCAYNE BLVD SUITE 200 NORTH MIAMI, FL 33181 US ANN REP : (1997) B 04/25/97 (1998) BY 04/01/98 (1999) A 04/08/99 Get a clue NMW and good luck to you too. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Mon, May 31, 1999 at 21:39:05 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Mary M Subject: Bestway--not to get there Message: How do you like this one. For Amaroo, I was convinced by my friends to give BESTWAY another try. The five of them flew out on Wednesday and I flew on Friday--at least that's what I requested. I received my ticket which said Friday's date. I called to confirm on Thursday evening. Guess what! I was informed that the only part of my ticket that was still valid was the portion from London, Ontario to Toronto, Ontario. I was also told that I would have to purchase a new tickets from Troonto to LA (Air Canada), LA to Sidney (Quantas), and Sidney to Brisbane (Roadkill Airlines). I was further informed, that since it had been a charter, my return tickets would be invalid as well. I decided not to pay again; I had great faith that god would get me there. This was just another test. I fought my way on board at each checkpoint, and I did make it. I also had to argue about the tickets all the way home. Lovely. I know I wouldn't do a crazy thing like that again; I ran the risk of getting stranded in any of those stopovers. BELIEF IS A GREAT THING! I BELIEVE IN BELIEF! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 01:13:11 (EDT)
From: Nim Email: None To: Mary M Subject: Amtext alert, amtext alert!! Message: Mary, Once again thank you for making all this info available, and finding just the right moment to interject it in the way that you do. Please note re: the ELAN VITAL that the address for two of its officers/directors are one and the same, and that address is of the Amtext office in Miami. As follows. TITLE: VP NAME: MARGULIES, ALICIA I. 11900 BISCAYNE BLD #200 MIAMI, FL TITLE: DS NAME: SMITH, LINDA M 11900 BISCAYNE BLVD. #200 MIAMI, FL AND, that in the BESTWAY info we see the same thing. Linda Smith's address shows up as the one of the Amtext office. As follows: RA NAME : SMITH, LINDA M RA ADDR : 11900 BISCAYNE BLVD SUITE 200 NORTH MIAMI, FL 33181 US Man, do I love this stuff or what! I'M TELLING YOU GUYS...THERE'S MORE HAPPENING OUT OF THAT AMTEXT OFFICE THAN JUST TEXT BOOKS< AND HERE'S THE PROOF! Sorry to shout, but I get excited with this stuff, you know? This has truly been a very beautiful Monday nite at the forum for me. And I do thank you all!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 17:14:43 (EDT)
From: Clorox Email: None To: Nim Subject: Amtext alert, amtext alert!! Message: Ouchh Mr Nim, You've figured out where the laundromat is. Do you think they'll keep me around when they move the laundry operation. I think they'll keep me. They're afraid of germs. Really afraid. C Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 17:20:59 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Clorox Subject: Amtext alert, amtext alert!! Message: More importantly, does the IRS CID read the forum? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 17:38:00 (EDT)
From: Windex Email: None To: NIM Subject: Amtext alert, amtext alert!! Message: Dear Mr Nim, Please don't listen to Clorox. I've waited a long time under this sink to be chosen. It's about time the windows are done. Don't you agree? Windex Thank you, Mr Windex Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 18:16:41 (EDT)
From: Clorox Email: None To: Windex Subject: EV alert, EV alert!! Message: What do you know about anything windex? NOTHING. Even the Army knows we're a church you dummy. Army Chapel Now let me get back to our collection laundry. Clorox Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 18:32:21 (EDT)
From: Nim Email: None To: Windex Subject: Amtext alert, amtext alert!! Message: Does this mean I'm gay? Because, I think I'm falling in love with you 'Mr.' Windex. Geez, why does this feel like Shakespeare in Love? Incredible! Nim Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 14:33:39 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Mary M Subject: for the record Message: Yes, that's good information. I would like to point out and JW can verify this and fill in the details if he wishes, but Linda Smith got out in the 80's and is no longer involved. It would appear that these corporate records are not kept up to date. Also, Linda Smith is one of the finest people one the planet which is why she left. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 16:43:45 (EDT)
From: Nim Email: None To: barney Subject: for the record Message: I would like to point out and JW can verify this and fill in the details if he wishes, but Linda Smith got out in the 80's and is no longer involved. It would appear that these corporate records are not kept up to date Barney, I just went over to the Florida Division of Corporations and got a look of the front page of Bestway's most recent annual report, filed with the Florida Secretary of State on April 8, 1999, and hand signed by its president, Manuel Jorge Dominguez of Miami Beach, Fl. on April,5 1999. This most definitely is a current corporate document and I invite you to check it out for yourself.(You know I'd send it off to you myself, but my computing skills aren't quite there yet) AND, FOR THE RECORD, the 'current registered agent' shows up as Linda Smith and her address again is the one of the Amtext office. Question If Linda Smith 'got out in the 80's', then why is her name showing up as the 'current registered agent' in 1999? And one more. Why does her address show as the one for the Amtext office? Anyone? Nim Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 17:24:14 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Nim Subject: for the record Message: Nim: Isn't Linda Smith an attorney? If so, she has a professional obligation to ensure that her name and professional standing are not used in a misleading manner ----- such as being listed as a registered agent when she is not. If a corporation is still listing her as its registered agent when she is not, it's something for the state dept of corporations to look into. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 18:45:02 (EDT)
From: Nim Email: None To: Marianne Subject: for the record Message: Marianne, Yes I believe Linda Smith is an attorney, although I'm not 100% sure. Hopefully JW will catch us here looking for some answers and be able to help out. cp's post might contain the answer but again I'm not sure. Basically what I'd like to know is, why does her name keep show up in relation to a premie operation like Bestway as late as April 1999...when barney says(seemingly on the basis of info from JW) that she is no longer involved. THAT, DOES NOT seem to be the RECORD. What gives? Hopefully, we can straighten it out. Nim Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 17:36:09 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Nim Subject: for the record Message: Maybe she got out in the 80 and got back in. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 19:07:40 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: cp & Nim Subject: Attorney records Message: Ok. I am going to look in the records for the State Bar of California and see if she is an attorney. Most, if not all states, make a public record of who is entitled to practice law as a precaution to the public. Someone could look in the Florida State Bar on the net and see what they get.... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 19:20:41 (EDT)
From: Nim Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Attorney records Message: Got it Marianne. Linda Marie Smith is indeed an active member of the Florida State Bar, and guess what? Her office address? Thats right...the same as the Amtext office. This is according to the current membership list of the Florida State Bar. Thanks for the idea Marianne. But if she's out...why does she still have her office address at the Amtext office? If she's there...she can't be out. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 19:27:13 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: MarianneDB@aol.com To: Nim Subject: Attorney records Message: Hi Nim. She's not listed as an attorney in CA. When an attorney changes the location of their practice, or joins a new firm, they are supposed to notify the State Bar, at least in Ca, and I strongly suspect in FL too. Nim, if you want to email me directly about this, I'd like to do so. Email me back above. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 20:16:10 (EDT)
From: Mop-N-Glow Email: None To: Nim Subject: Attorney Scuff Marks Message: Hey Mr NIM, You tink Clorox & Windex got a bad rap. How'd ya like to be cleanin up these lawyers scuff marks. Hey, I gotta tough job ya know. Jeez, sometimes dees here lawyers drag you ex-es dat wanna come to programs from der office to da front door. Dey don't even tink of da problems dey cause. So, I only get to see the nice shoes but here's a good site to look up the dudes and dudettes. Scuff Marks yeh, yeh go floit wid clorox and windex and ignore me. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 20:56:28 (EDT)
From: Polly Wolly Email: None To: Nim Subject: My Job! Message: Golly darn Mr NIM, are you tryin to get me fired? Sobbbbb.... how am I ever gonna explain to my bosses about all this damn clorox, windex, and mop-n-glow all over the fucking place vying for your attention? I worked hard for this job Mr. Nim. Well not that hard. Although it was a 'hard on' that got me the job. Oh what the hell it took a blow job too. But a job is a job the way I see it. Do you even care about a gal like me? This is a dream job. That nice man Rob hooked me up with this gig. He sure did, I was workin the Orange Blossom Trail scene when he snuck away from some little guy dancin in a Halloween Costume (that's what it looked like to me from the picture he showed me... but there is a market for kinky little guys like that ya know) to come check out my pasties. He whispered in my ear as I was grinding my ass against his ... well you know the rest. He's promised me the stars and the moons as long as I'm a good girl and make sure the washer is set on the right spin cycles for laundering. I like the hundreds best. So much less work hanging them up. Ya'd think the cheap bastards would get me a dryer with a delicate cycle but nooooo. They are so paranoid. What if it broke down and ya know some repair man found all these mushed bills in the lint filter? As it is, I break at least one of my acrylics (nails) after every program making sure that none got caught under the washer's whoosher thing. What is that thing called.... oh, an agitator... is that the right word? You might think I'm just a dumb ex-topless-dancer Mr NIM but hey I got brains as well as tits. What the kinky little guy he works for doesn't know is I'm scammin him left and right. I got me a nice pile of freshly laundered G's (I even put a bit of Calgon take me away softener in my load ... so it smells pretty, ya know) hidden in my ice cooler at my trailer. Oh, and mr cheese put me in charge of the phone system. I was the one who told him all about how he should get a system where I can just push buttons to send the calls to all the people who are supposed to be here. Yeah, I ain't dumb. My girlfriend came over one nite to help me hang the ones, (those are a pain in the ass) and she told me all about the Pizza Hut phones. I didn't believe her so I called and wow, like she was right.... they do know who is callin and what ya ordered. Don't you think that's cool? You can look at the system here: Pizza But all in all, I can't complain.... in between programs I get to sit here and: Doodle All A Day! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 21:29:50 (EDT)
From: Nim Email: None To: Polly Wolly Subject: My Job! Message: Polly Wolly Sweetheart, I don't want your job. Goodness, gracious! What makes say that? Now, preciousness(and i'll tell ya, i just love ex topless dancers... I mean you ARE blowin me away here ya know!) forget about Rob, and never mind Pizza Hut. You deserve better. And even though I may not be worthy, I can always give it the good ole college try. Polly Wolly, I tell you...YOU are worth it! But first, now that you've told me about Pizza Hut's telephone system...what can you tell me about Amtext's telephone system??? Go ahead, blow me away!!:):) Luv, Nim Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 22:31:47 (EDT)
From: Polly Wolly Email: None To: Nim Subject: My Job! Message: Polly Wolly Sweetheart, I don't want your job. Goodness, gracious! What makes say that? Oh Mr NIM, I'm so glad to here that. Cuz I need at least 4 more loads of G notes before I can split. Now, preciousness(and i'll tell ya, i just love ex topless dancers... I mean you ARE blowin me away here ya know!) forget about Rob, and never mind Pizza Hut. You deserve better. Ooh, finally a real man. Me and my friend Honey Bunny been reading you're posts. Honey told me, 'Now there's a guy that's got something under his kilt worth goin for'. I hope you don't get upset about what Honey says. See, I already told her bout that Rob guy that wears a skirt and his fat little friend that dresses up in a glittery cone head outfit. Do you think the little guy and his wife have sex like the coneheads did in the movie? Well, Mr Nim, I probably shouldn't tell you this but...oh golly, mama always told me my mouth would sink me... anyway... I lapped them both and well... I just don't get off on acorns. And even though I may not be worthy, I can always give it the good ole college try. Polly Wolly, I tell you...YOU are worth it! I believe you Mr Nim cuz Rob, that bastard, hasn't told any of you guys about me and here you are making me flushed and excited. Maybe you can come to my trailer in the everglades some time? But first, now that you've told me about Pizza Hut's telephone system...what can you tell me about Amtext's telephone system??? Gosh Mr NIM can you give me a few days. My friend Honey Bunny is the one that knows all that weird phone stuff. You would love her. She's such a good pal. She even came over one night to help me clean these stupid things called ruppees. This was after I called her and told her I was movin up cuz the cheeze head was gonna let me wash rubies. I was so excited cuz you can pack rubies in a lot of places on a girl.... and that's why Honey Bunny's my best friend. Who else could ya call at 2 in the morning to borrow their twat? She's smart too. She got a little pissed cuz she took one look at that pile of what I thought was dirty rubies and said, 'Shit Polly those are ruppees NOT rubies'. I squalled and squalled cuz I thought those rubies would be our ticket out of this laundromat. So Honey, she got curious as to who the fuck would have suitcases full of ruppies. I swear mr NIM there is jewelry but mr cheese takes it all to a special Argintina group and he told me they do the washing. Oh, anyway back to Honey. I don't like to put my bestest friend down but she never cut it as a lap dancer... well... cuz...oh shit... Honey aint stacked where it's kind of important to be. She wouldn't get those bags of ocean water put in her boobs either she's real scared of jelly fish and figures their made in Mexico too where they dump shit in the ocean. Anyway, she finds out all this weird stuff like they can take fat from someone's ass and put it in your boobs or lips. I didn't think that was a good idea cuz ... gosh.... then you wouldn't know whose ass you were kissin if you were her date. Any way, she's a business woman. I hooked her up with some of these people and she sells Elan Vital only we know it's really Ecstasy that the Mexican Best Travel people bring over. Well Honey got busted and she was sent to tech school cuz she's real good at those bubble tests she said she uses some al gore rythym... I don't know what the vice presidents rythym has to do with this but like I said Honey knows some weird shit. I always told her to get an education seein as she didn't have any tits to speak of. So she finishes this program and calls me up sayin she's bringing over a sniffer. I was reall excited cuz it's much easeir hangin 'ones' on x or amyl. But that stuff is strange... even the clorox bottle starts lookin sexy after a while, ya know? Well shoot, Honey shows up with this machine that she hooks into their phone system and shows me all this weird stuff on a tiny screen that she calls 'data' . I asked her if it could pick up MTV cuz of my disappointment not gettin the x or amyl. I figured I could at least dance. Honey gave me one of her looks and I backed off. She is smart though. So I'll call her and tell her we have a mission for NIM. It's no problem cuz I need to let her know they have these nifty new water filled bras that jiggle when ya walk. She'll be real happy about that. I hope Honey Bunny and me can blow you away with what we find! Luv, Polly Wolly Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 02:06:53 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek Email: None To: Polly Wolly Subject: Have I got a job for you! Message: Polly Wolly, This is great, absolutely fabulous! I'm out here in Malibu and I'm having trouble with some of my girls, as usual. But, you sound just right! You know what's going on, babe. Ring me up and we'll take a meeting! Rog Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:06:59 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Roger E. Drek Subject: Ring Me Up? Message: Hi Rog, Only Brits say Ring me up. Does this mean you're a Brit living in Malibu. Curious George, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:42:54 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek Email: None To: Liz Subject: Ring Me Up? Message: Liz, No, I'm a regular Amerikan. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 19:05:26 (EDT)
From: Polly Wolly Email: None To: Roger E. Drek Subject: Have I got a job for you! Message: Dear Mr Drek, Gosh, I don't know about Malibu cuz my friend Maggie moved back here to Miami and told me the whole State of California is gonna fall in the ocean someday. She's smart too, but not as smart as my friend Honey Bunny. Anyway she said the whole state has a crack in it. Why do you want me to come to a place that's cracked? Doesn't matter what your toilet seat is made of when the big crack opens, gold, wood, or plastic. Yer all gonna go down that big crack. And well, I don't know how to tell you this Mr Drek but the way I figure, once that friend of Rob's that I do the laundry for... you know the little guy that cross dresses with 'I dream of Genie Pants' and 'Glitterry Cone Head Crowns' will be delivering his stash from Miami to Montreal and Rob sez their gonna bring back tons of laundry for their delivery. Golly, I'm gonna be so busy but I don't want to risk missing the big haul. Oh, and Mr Drek.... me and Maggie and Honey Bunny been sort of educatin ourselves by turning on this computer (that Rob sez we're not allowed to watch) But fuck him. He goes out to the fat boy's brothers fancy-schmanzy lap club.... oops. There I go again. Now that man who thinks we all came from worms, what's his name.... oh yeah.... Jim. We didn't want him to find this out cuz well our girlfriend Sally was lappin that man while Rob was getting lapped by Susie on the same couch and Sally was just bumpin and grindin away acted like she really enjoyed these acorns. You know with her head thrown back, and her hair fallin all over the place, anyway Sally... now she doesn't miss a trick, and she sees Rob slip cone head's brother an envelope that looked pretty thick. At least thicker than that thing she was lappin. Well that man .... I think his name is Ij Ajar, at least in a mirror it is, didn't even notice Sally slip that envelope away from him and tuck it in her G string. So Sally comes over to the laundromat last Sunday all scared shitless cuz when she opened that envelope there was a letter from that man Jim, who thinks we come from worms. Now like I said, we been followin things and Sally is sort of two pasties shy of the right side of the law and we know the man Jim is a lawyer. She's screamin and howlin and carryin on (even knocked down all the ones I had hung to dry) bout how one of Cone Head's lawyers is gonna get her and make her shark bait. Sally, gets this way from time to time, she even thought that joke about cheerios being donut seeds was true. Honey was here that night and she sometimes cant abide Sally's carryin on. Honey smacked Sally to get her attention and explained that Jim was a lawyer for the guys who don't like the cone head man. That calmed Sally down right away. But Mr Drek we got one question that's been botherin us. One night when we were educatin ourselves on your site we clicked on a picture of mr glittery cone-head and lord have mercy we think that cone head man somehow or other got our old friend Wanda Sue's tits. We were so upset. We haven't seen Wanda Sue since she left the club one night with cone heads brother and now her tits show up on mr cone head in his 'I dream of Genie Outfit'. Now you cant begin to imagine the scene. Sally starts squallin and screamin that those prick lawyers of Mr Cone Head stole Wanda Sue and took her to one of those 'Coma' like hospitals and cut off her tits. WHY did he want our Wanda's tits and do you know where Wanda is.? This upset us so much to find Wanda's Tits on your web site. In fact, we printed that picture and decided to go for expert advice at Pop's Bar B Q (that's where we all hang out together.) It's the kind of place where we can relax cuz those Acorn Men don't come out that far. Like I said before their scairt silly over the littlest things. Oh oh... I gotta go. Like they say on 'DAZE OF OUR LIVES' to be continued. This Polly Wolly better get back to doodlin. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 08:30:57 (EDT)
From: Honey Bunny Email: None To: Polly Wolly Subject: Have I got a job for you! Message: Polly Wolly, He goes out to the fat boy's brothers fancy-schmanzy lap club.... oops. There I go again. How many times do I have to tell you that your 'Rob Roy' man doesn't like us calling his 'Glitter Cone Head' master 'fat'. So what if he's the kinkiest cross dresser you've ever met? Polly, what do you expect from a man who hangs out with a guy in a skirt? Now that man who thinks we all came from worms, what's his name.... oh yeah.... Jim.. Polly, we talked about this a hundred times. Don't you remember the night of the 'rubies'? Jim is an evolutionist. Are you comprehending anything I'm trying to teach you? Now don't go thinking about the Boston Tea Part and all those wars you think Jim's been in. Oh, screw it, I'll meet you at Pop's and go over it again. Now that man who thinks we all came from worms, what's his name.... oh yeah.... Jim. We didn't want him to find this out cuz well our girlfriend Sally was lappin that man while Rob was getting lapped by Susie on the same couch and Sally was just bumpin and grindin away acted like she really enjoyed these acorns. Girlfriend, I knew I shouldn't have shown you the I/O button on that machine until I've taught you more about nouns and pronouns. No not nuns... nouns. Sweetie pie, it was Rob Roy getting lapped but your syntax (I'm not calling you a sinner who is going to get taxed when you get caught) is all wrong. It's misleading when you say 'Sally was lappin that man'. Polly, people read stuff like that and think it was Jim getting lapped. Don't you remember that was the night Rob Roy brought his wife to watch? Now, don't go spilling the beans on how us girls fake it and we fake it reallll good for guys with money. And whatever you do we gotta protect those girlfriends of ours that go through that tunnel to kiss 'Glitter Cone Heads' feet and appear to be in the throes of climaxing over and over. Remember those girls need money too, they just transfer that faking action whenever they see fit. Maybe it's in our genes. Who knows. Polly, why don't you ask Mr Nim or Mr Jim? Genetic or not we've got them fleeced, and there's not a woman out there that doesn't know how to act it out. Oh, and Polly you're going to have to cover for Sally. You know how hysterical she gets. Let Mr Jim know his letter went throught the shredder you keep in the back closet at the laundry. And for God's sake don't start blabbin about the shredder, at least not yet. And for the millionth time. I am not working on the vice president's rythym I work with algorithms. See you at Pop's. Your friend, Honey Bunny Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 13:31:19 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Honey Bunny Subject: Is this Minnie? (nt) Message: Is this Minnie? Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 14:13:35 (EDT)
From: Honey Bunny Email: None To: Liz Subject: Is this Minnie? Message: No Lizzie, I'm simply Polly Wolly's 'bestest' friend. I'm somewhat like a big sister to Polly. You see, Polly can't fake anything. In fact, one of my tasks is to make sure there are no tootsie pops around the laundry on the nights she stumbles in on X. Other than that, I make a few $$$ from time to time when Polly needs an empty orifice for transports. I figure what the heck? If it's not occupied when she needs it might as well help with the ev laundry;-) Honey Bunny Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 14:40:06 (EDT)
From: nmw Email: None To: Mary M Subject: Bestway Sucks, Liz! Message: Thanks for clarifying who Bestways belongs to. Not that it matters to me at all (like I said, I've only employed them once, when I couldnt get a ticket on short notice - they were the last port in the storm), but it IS always fun to learn these interesting factoids. I guess this must be a 'clue'. I have always been told by my friends that 'Bestways sucks'. Actually, they are usually referred to as 'Worstways'. Hence, they are not high on my travel planning list. I will re-iterate that I have no recollection of any form of encouragement to use them as my travel agent of choice....but maybe I'm having selective recall. I guess that's part of being clueless. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 01:15:02 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Mary M Subject: Linda Smith Message: I'm not sure it's the same Linda Smith, but if it is, I find this very troubling. In 1987 or so, a 'Linda Smith' I knew was working as an attorney in the 'Office of Guru Maharaj Ji' in Miami Beach, Florida. Around that time, 'Linda Smith' told me that she was disgusted with Maharaji and was leaving the cult, for good. She also told me that she was personally aware that Maharaji had an alcohol problem and that he was having affairs with premies other than his wife and that they were mostly with 'dumb blondes like Durga Ji.' I had left the cult a few years earlier, and although I had heard rumors about the ol' guru's drinking habits, I knew nothing of the adulteries. If Bestways is the cult travel agency, it bothers me that Linda might still be involved. Plus she is a great person, with lots of integrity, from everything I ever saw. Does anybody know is she is with 'Bestways' and/or the cult? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 01:28:59 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: JW Subject: Here She Is Message: This is the Martindale listing for the Linda Smith I knew. She is apparently still in Florida, which doesn't bode well. Seems she may still be involved. This is really sad. She really is a great person. LINDA M. SMITH 10250 Collins Ave. Bal Harbour, Florida Dade County) ADMITTED: 1979 LAW-SCHOOL: Chicago-Kent College of Law, Illinois Institute of Technology (J.D.) COLLEGE: Loyola University - Chicago, IL (B.S.) BORN: 1949 ISLN: 903609744 Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:18:32 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: JW Subject: Thanks Message: I have printed these two posts out. This is the closest I've got to verifying M's affairs. I believe he drinks. He even looks like a lush these days. I would like to post a copy of this at the local premie event but I won't. If I hear more from Linda I'll mail one to each and everyone of their houses. Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 15:49:19 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: JW Subject: J.W.'s Journey? Message: Hi J.W. I was curious to know you Journey but I couldn't find it under J.W. anyway. Is it there? Let me know. Thanks, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 16:00:48 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Liz Subject: J.W.'s Journey? Message: Liz, Joe hasn't done a Journey entry yet because he's still wavering on whether or not he's an ex. Joe, get off the fence, bud! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 18:14:09 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: Jim Subject: JW, write your journey!! Message: We're all waiting patiently. (Seriously - I don't mean to harrass you, but it would be great!) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 20:28:57 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Katie Subject: JW, write your journey or else Message: Yeah, or else we're going have a contest where everybody submits a journey and we pick the most scandalous one. I know that your Journey would be incomplete if we didn't mention your Chicago daze when the temperatures would plummet to 20 below that you would be driving in your powder blue Dodge Dart out to the stripper clubs in Cicero and pass freezing premies at bus stops and wave to them. Yes, it's true. Once I was hiding in the backseat under a pile of clothing from jumbling. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:36:51 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: barney Subject: Jumbling--Ah yes! Message: Where did that expression come from. They used to do that here as well--collect castoffs from each other and the neighbours with the hope of selling the stuff and sending the cash to MJ. This line of work never appealed to me. I have never heard anyone but Premies call it this. Is this an American term, or what? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 22:56:34 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Gail Subject: Jumbling--Ah yes! Message: Hi Gail! How are you doing? Jumbling --- I thought those folks over on the other side of The Pond came up with it. They never had one in Kalamazoo, but I know the one in Chicago was a success for a while. Wasn't it, JW? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 23:36:50 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Gail Subject: Jumbling--Ah yes! Message: Hi Gail, Jumbling is a British term. It's collecting 'jumble' for a 'jumble sale - equivilent of a garage Sale in the U.S but usually much bigger and smellier. Usually held in musty old Church Halls as fund-raisers. I can hear Glen Whitaker (Head of Elan Vital in U.K.)In his Yorkshire Accent, 'Bring all your jumble for the jumble sale fund-raiser because Maharaji has requested a new plane to spread this wonderful knowledge around the world!' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 00:17:35 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Jumbling--Ah yes! Message: Yes, you are right Marianne. But I think in the states at least 'jumbling' was a very early phenomenon -- maybe prior to Millennium. That was when there were all those Divine Sales stores where they sold other peoples' junk. After that, we were told to get bad haircuts, dress like young republicans with LOTS of polyester, and to get jobs. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Thurs, Jun 03, 1999 at 11:39:39 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: JW Subject: Jumbling--Ah yes! Message: I think they took all the Kazoo premies cool hippie stuff (records -- Moody blues, Stones, Beatles, you name it, I gave it), clothes, kitchen stuff, jewelry, and took it in a big load to Chicago and gave it to your store. Brothers got the haircuts; sisters grew theirs long usually. We had to wear those long dresses. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 00:56:11 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Gail Subject: Amaroo sucked for me, Liz! Message: Hi Gail, I'm so sorry about your awful experiences in Amaroo. It must have been a drag waiting on arrogant pigs. That chef needs to have his sweetmeats roasted for calling you a liar and a thief! Love, Liz Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 03:33:35 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Liz Subject: Amaroo sucked for me, Liz! Message: Gail, thanks for that story. I know people that couldn't afford the 100$ meals and they were 'outside the kingdom' and stuck in that 'longing' to be somehow 'graced' to get into the the divine deli. The fruit of the master is the chef. Today I read something about some famous guy and the point they made about this guys character was that the issues that brought out the guys anger revealed his character. Prem rawat is known for blasting people and all the times I know of were revealing of HIS character. Which is a narcisissts meglomaniacs character. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 04:54:43 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: KB Subject: Gail Message: By the way, all the rawat involved time doesn't qualify as ANYTHING 'for god'. It was misplaced faith. Stolen faith. Abused innocence. Which Rob appears blind to. He feels 'empty' and reverts back to his comfort zone of belief and tries to think his finger in the dike will keep reality from intruding. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
Date: Tues, Jun 01, 1999 at 12:33:54 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Liz Subject: Brainwashed cult members Message: suck, Liz! Gail's experience is just another example of THAT love and THAT peace that the lovers-of-brainwashing like to display for all the world to see. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |