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Forum III Archive # 51

From: Jun 5, 1999

To: Jun 14, 1999

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Robyn -:- GeminiRule HappyBirthday AJW! -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 07:06:59 (EDT)
__Liz -:- Happy B. fellow Gemini! -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 10:49:05 (EDT)
__Mickey the Pharisee -:- GeminiRule HappyBirthday AJW! -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 11:48:59 (EDT)
____Gail -:- GeminiRule HappyBirthday AJW! -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 12:50:58 (EDT)
__Katie -:- Happy birthday, Anth.... -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 14:59:16 (EDT)
__AJW -:- HELP STOP IT -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 03:58:02 (EDT)
____Robyn -:- HELP STOP IT -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 08:40:22 (EDT)
______AJW -:- HELP STOP IT -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 12:47:50 (EDT)
________Robyn -:- HELP STOP IT -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 18:20:51 (EDT)
__________AJW -:- HELP STOP IT -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 21:06:46 (EDT)
____________Robyn -:- HELP STOP IT -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 21:29:35 (EDT)
______________AJW -:- HELP STOP IT -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 22:06:25 (EDT)
________________Robyn -:- HELP STOP IT -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 05:51:25 (EDT)
__________________AJW -:- HELP STOP IT -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 06:34:08 (EDT)
______Sir Dave -:- British & proud of it -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 14:35:33 (EDT)
________Katie -:- British & proud of it -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 14:47:45 (EDT)
__________Robyn -:- British & proud of it 2 -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 17:36:51 (EDT)
________Robyn -:- British & proud of it -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 17:32:38 (EDT)
__________AJW -:- British & proud of it -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 06:42:12 (EDT)
____________Robyn -:- British & proud of it -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 08:43:28 (EDT)
______________AJW -:- British & proud of it -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 12:43:12 (EDT)
________________Robyn -:- British & proud of it -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 16:02:53 (EDT)
__________________AJW -:- British & proud of it -:- Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 08:33:57 (EDT)
________American -:- British & proud of it -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 17:41:42 (EDT)
__________Tami -:- Yu tel them -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 18:58:05 (EDT)
____________Sir Dave -:- Yu tel them -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 20:13:13 (EDT)
______________Robyn -:- Yu tel them -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 23:37:41 (EDT)
__________JHB -:- British & proud of it -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 23:48:54 (EDT)
____________Katie -:- There's no defense... -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 00:43:19 (EDT)
______________Robyn -:- There's no defense... -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 05:48:25 (EDT)
____________Robyn -:- British & proud of it -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 05:44:57 (EDT)
______________JHB -:- British & proud of it -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 12:13:55 (EDT)
________________Robyn -:- Bdays- JHB, Sir, and Gail -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 16:11:51 (EDT)
__________________JHB -:- Bdays- JHB, Sir, and Gail -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 16:18:22 (EDT)
____________________Robyn -:- Bdays- JHB -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 16:24:57 (EDT)
__________________Katie -:- Bdays- RT and Gail -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 17:08:57 (EDT)
____________________Robyn -:- Bdays- RT and Gail -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 17:52:38 (EDT)
__________________Sir Dave -:- Bdays- JHB, Sir, and Gail -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 20:21:19 (EDT)
____________________Robyn -:- Bdays Sir, HALIP & JM if -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 22:28:35 (EDT)
______________AJW -:- Royal Birthdays -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 14:20:46 (EDT)
________________Robyn -:- Royal Birthdays -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 16:20:17 (EDT)
__________________AJW -:- Royal Blood -:- Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 08:38:39 (EDT)
________Rob -:- Sassenach! -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 23:12:47 (EDT)
__________Sir Dave -:- Sassenach! -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 06:44:26 (EDT)
____________Rob -:- Brutish -:- Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 02:47:00 (EDT)
______________Sir Dave -:- Modern times -:- Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 05:05:02 (EDT)
________________AJW -:- Modern times -:- Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 09:12:53 (EDT)
__________________Rob -:- Modern times -:- Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 01:19:44 (EDT)
______________AJW -:- History Lesson -:- Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 09:08:51 (EDT)
________________Sir Dave -:- History Lesson -:- Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 20:15:55 (EDT)
__________________Robyn -:- History Lesson -:- Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 21:11:28 (EDT)
__________________AJW -:- Scots are Irish -:- Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 04:00:22 (EDT)
____________________Sir Dave -:- To-ing & fro-ing -:- Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 05:04:39 (EDT)

Webmaster barney -:- ***Try the Frames Forum!*** -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 01:22:10 (EDT)
__Jethro -:- ***Try the Frames Forum!*** -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 09:54:56 (EDT)
____Selene silent webmistress -:- ***Try the Frames Forum!*** -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 00:15:51 (EDT)
__777 -:- ***Try the Frames Forum!*** -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 02:44:56 (EDT)
__Complaint Department -:- ***Try the Frames Forum!*** -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 10:15:55 (EDT)
____Complaint Department -:- Scratch second complaint -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 10:59:27 (EDT)
______selene -:- Scratch second complaint -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 11:14:47 (EDT)
____Brian -:- The first complaint -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 14:19:02 (EDT)
______barney -:- Brian gets credit for Frames -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 15:22:06 (EDT)
________selene -:- Brian gets credit for Frames -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 17:25:06 (EDT)
__________Selene -:- Brian gets credit for Frames -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 18:22:22 (EDT)
________Jerry -:- Brian gets credit for Frames -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 17:55:20 (EDT)
______Jerry -:- Thanks, Brian -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 15:54:32 (EDT)
________Robyn -:- Thanks, Brian -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 18:26:48 (EDT)

gregg -:- Denver -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 23:16:18 (EDT)
__Liz -:- Denver -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:13:35 (EDT)
____Marianne -:- Cincinnati -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 13:12:55 (EDT)

777 -:- a Sick and Dangerous Cult -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 23:05:14 (EDT)
__888 -:- I bought that one once -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:38:22 (EDT)
__Helen -:- a Sick and Dangerous Cult -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 13:05:29 (EDT)
____Don -:- Sick Comment -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 13:29:51 (EDT)
______Helen -:- Sick Comment -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 14:48:23 (EDT)
________JW -:- Sick Comment -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 14:52:54 (EDT)
__________Helen -:- Sick Comment -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 14:55:47 (EDT)
__________Mare -:- Sick Comment -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:29:37 (EDT)
____Jerry -:- a Sick and Dangerous Cult -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 08:19:05 (EDT)
______Helen -:- a Sick and Dangerous Cult -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 10:01:39 (EDT)
____Mickey the Pharisee -:- a Sick and Dangerous Cult -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 12:14:01 (EDT)
______Helen -:- Let the Dead Heads, Fred -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 12:37:23 (EDT)
__JH -:- a Sick and Dangerous Cult -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 02:33:08 (EDT)

*Webmaster barney* -:- Phone numbers not a good idea -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 22:31:09 (EDT)
__Jim -:- Fair enough -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 22:32:20 (EDT)
__Jim -:- But Duhaney called and I -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 16:41:41 (EDT)
____Jim -:- I t'd w Duhaney last night -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 14:07:47 (EDT)
______x -:- I t'd w Duhaney last night -:- Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 05:20:42 (EDT)
__Nil -:- Phone numbers not a good idea -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:52:39 (EDT)

Magnificent Martian -:- Long delay -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 22:29:07 (EDT)
__Jim -:- You're in your mind -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 22:34:41 (EDT)
____Magnificent Martian -:- You're in your mind -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 23:42:12 (EDT)
______barney -:- probably just a transient -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:32:39 (EDT)
________Magnificent Martian -:- probably just a transient -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 01:08:35 (EDT)
__Sir Dave -:- Long delay -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 03:27:40 (EDT)

Gail -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 07:26:25 (EDT)
__The Phantom -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 07:59:59 (EDT)
____Gail -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 08:43:11 (EDT)
____JW -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 13:25:29 (EDT)
______Mike -:- Lost sheep.... ;-) -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 19:22:14 (EDT)
__D_Thomas -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 08:09:23 (EDT)
__ANONYMOUS -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 08:59:15 (EDT)
____Gail -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 11:08:15 (EDT)
______Marianne -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 11:15:01 (EDT)
________Sir Dave -:- Maharaji's fear of Gail -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 11:32:48 (EDT)
__________Marianne -:- Maharaji's fear of Gail -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 11:44:46 (EDT)
________Katie -:- going to a program -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 14:18:10 (EDT)
__________barney -:- nothing is really public -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 14:21:11 (EDT)
____________RT -:- public lair -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 16:28:41 (EDT)
__________Sir Dave -:- The sincerity detector -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:32:06 (EDT)
______ANONYMOUS -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 13:17:10 (EDT)
________Marianne -:- Love M more than others -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 15:03:45 (EDT)
__________Gail -:- Anonymous shows unconditional -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 15:26:52 (EDT)
____Liz -:- Anon/Anonymous? -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 01:17:29 (EDT)
______Anon -:- Anon/Anonymous? -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 11:04:35 (EDT)
__A Premie -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 09:37:32 (EDT)
____Marianne -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 11:03:43 (EDT)
____Magnificent Martian -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:18:49 (EDT)
______A Premie -:- The red planet -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:36:42 (EDT)
________Magnificent Martian -:- The red planet -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 22:25:22 (EDT)
________Mike -:- Oh, brother! -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 11:19:26 (EDT)
________Pauline Premie -:- The red planet -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 14:02:18 (EDT)
__JW -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 13:44:24 (EDT)
__Nil -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 17:52:33 (EDT)
____Curly -:- I see your point -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 18:15:53 (EDT)
______Nil -:- I see your point -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 18:26:17 (EDT)
________JW -:- Specious Point -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 23:31:37 (EDT)
__________CD -:- Specious Point -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:33:43 (EDT)
____________Gail -:- Specious Point--exactly -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 07:08:49 (EDT)
______________CD -:- Specious Point--exactly -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:07:57 (EDT)
________________Maggie -:- EV - Social Engineering -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:40:39 (EDT)
__________________Ganga -:- EV - Social Engineering -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 23:51:59 (EDT)
____________________Maggie -:- Wrong Maggie -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 09:42:46 (EDT)
______________________Ganga -:- Wrong Maggie -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 21:51:13 (EDT)
________________________Maggie -:- Wrong Maggie -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 08:39:45 (EDT)
__________________CD -:- are you experienced -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 00:14:10 (EDT)
____________Mike -:- Buying edited material -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 11:13:11 (EDT)
____________JW -:- Specious Point -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 13:54:05 (EDT)
__________Nil -:- My Point -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:41:43 (EDT)
____________Mike -:- Jesus, Nil -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 11:13:09 (EDT)
______________Nil -:- Yes Mike... -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 13:16:02 (EDT)
________________Mike -:- Ok Nil -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 14:49:24 (EDT)
__________________Nil -:- Ok Nil -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 18:44:11 (EDT)
____________________Mike -:- She isn't asking for a red -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 19:49:29 (EDT)
________________Jim -:- Amazing hypocrisy -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 16:01:21 (EDT)
____________JW -:- My Point -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 15:57:24 (EDT)
____Gail -:- My Brother is not the LOTU! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 18:26:45 (EDT)
______Nil -:- My Brother is not the LOTU! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 19:02:29 (EDT)
________Gail -:- My Brother is not the LOTU! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 19:19:19 (EDT)
________Magnificent Martian -:- My Brother is not the LOTU! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 19:47:39 (EDT)
__________Nil -:- My Brother is not the LOTU! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:10:17 (EDT)
____________Magnificent Martian -:- My Brother is not the LOTU! -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 01:03:21 (EDT)
______________Nil -:- My Brother is not the LOTU! -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:19:39 (EDT)
________________Gail -:- Nil, maybe you are the LOTU! -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 01:50:56 (EDT)
________Puzzeled -:- Nil: Who is he then? -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 02:13:41 (EDT)
________Puzzeled -:- My Brother is not the LOTU! -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 02:18:41 (EDT)
________Puzzeled -:- My Brother is not the LOTU! -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 02:19:29 (EDT)
__________Nil -:- My Brother is not the LOTU! -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 13:34:46 (EDT)
____________Puzzeled -:- My Brother is not the LOTU! -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 16:00:23 (EDT)
____________JHB -:- What does Master mean??? -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 23:24:28 (EDT)
____Mike -:- How can god be hurt? -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 19:28:07 (EDT)
______Gealous Gerry -:- How can god be hurt? -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 19:43:36 (EDT)
______Nil -:- How can god be hurt? -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:19:50 (EDT)
________Middle Man -:- How can god be hurt? -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 22:44:24 (EDT)
________Mike -:- How can god be hurt? -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 11:36:53 (EDT)
__________Nil -:- How can god be hurt? -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 19:50:21 (EDT)
____________Helen -:- Jesus Christ, Nil!! -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 22:11:13 (EDT)
______________Gail -:- Jesus Christ, Nil!! -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 00:37:22 (EDT)
______________Nil -:- Yes Helen? -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 13:20:22 (EDT)
____________Mike -:- How can god be hurt? -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 10:07:01 (EDT)
____________Mickey the Pharisee -:- How can god be hurt? -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 11:49:26 (EDT)
______________Helen -:- It's all our fault -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 12:53:28 (EDT)
________________JW -:- Great post Helen -- -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 18:44:34 (EDT)
__________________Helen -:- Hey JW -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 22:59:50 (EDT)
______________KB -:- How can god be hurt? -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 23:26:31 (EDT)
________________Mickey the Pharisee -:- How can god be hurt? -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 00:07:00 (EDT)
____Brian -:- You have your head up His ass -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:06:37 (EDT)
______Nil -:- You have your head up His ass -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:30:38 (EDT)
________Gail -:- I don't miss Maharaji, but I -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:58:48 (EDT)
__________Nil -:- I don't miss Maharaji, but I -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:08:36 (EDT)
__________Rob -:- I know how you can get in -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:50:03 (EDT)
____________Gail -:- I know how you can get in -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 12:52:42 (EDT)
______________Gail -:- So, Rob, how do I get in? -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 07:09:39 (EDT)
________A disgusted observer -:- Nil..Come alive -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 23:28:47 (EDT)
__________Nil -:- That makes two of us -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:06:12 (EDT)
____________A disgusted observer -:- Nil:There is no justification -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 02:36:20 (EDT)
______________A disgusted observer -:- Correction....above should rea -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 03:02:55 (EDT)
______________Nil -:- Nil:There is no justification -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 13:32:51 (EDT)
________________A disgusted observer -:- Nil:There is no justification -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 16:03:23 (EDT)
__________________Nil -:- Nil:There is no justification -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 19:27:50 (EDT)
____________________A disgusted observer -:- Nil:There is no justification -:- Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 03:43:28 (EDT)
________________Jerry -:- Nil:There is no justification -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 16:10:21 (EDT)
__________________Nil -:- Nil:There is no justification -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 19:32:18 (EDT)
____________________Jerry -:- Nil:There is no justification -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 20:22:46 (EDT)
____________message from Nil's ass -:- That makes two of us -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 12:25:10 (EDT)
______________A disgusted observer -:- That makes two of us -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 16:06:11 (EDT)
____Magnificent Martian -:- Pretend you have a conscience -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 23:33:41 (EDT)
______Nil -:- Pretend you have a conscience -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:08:50 (EDT)
______A disgusted observer -:- Nil's reasoning is disabled -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 02:39:40 (EDT)
__Zac -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:55:45 (EDT)
____Jim -:- Gail, wld you please.... -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:02:19 (EDT)
______Gail -:- Gail, wld you please.... -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:07:25 (EDT)
________Jim -:- Not quite -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:16:38 (EDT)
__________Gail -:- Not quite -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:37:59 (EDT)
________Nil -:- This is sloppy Gail... -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:16:44 (EDT)
__________Jim -:- This is bullshit Nil ... -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:24:53 (EDT)
__________Sir Dave -:- Maharaji's a wimp -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:38:15 (EDT)
__________Gail -:- This is sloppy Gail...Naaaw! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:49:43 (EDT)
____________Sir Dave -:- This is sloppy Gail...Naaaw! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:58:34 (EDT)
______________Gail -:- This is sloppy Gail...Naaaw! -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 22:10:21 (EDT)
__________Mike -:- This is sloppy Gail... -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 12:17:47 (EDT)
______411 -:- Gail, wld you please.... -:- Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:15:57 (EDT)
__Rob -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:31:29 (EDT)
____CD -:- hush up under that kilt -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:38:20 (EDT)
______Rob -:- hush up under that kilt -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:42:16 (EDT)
______Mary M -:- hush up under that kilt -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:46:03 (EDT)
____Mary M -:- I can't go to Montreal-waah! -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:43:43 (EDT)
______Rob -:- You asked for it -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 01:05:04 (EDT)
________Curly -:- Great post Rob! nt -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 01:33:05 (EDT)
________Mary M -:- You asked for it -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 01:37:05 (EDT)
________barney -:- that's about enuff, Mc Rob! -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 02:07:30 (EDT)
________MacLeod -:- You asked for it -:- Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 08:12:56 (EDT)
__________Gail -:- You asked for it -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 01:52:09 (EDT)
________AJW -:- You asked for it -:- Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 21:34:34 (EDT)


Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 07:06:59 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Everyone
Subject: GeminiRule HappyBirthday AJW!
Message:
Dear AJW, Anth the ______(fill in the blank! :),

Hope you have a great birthday fellow gemini. I enjoy reading your posts and always get a smile out of your latest role play in your signature. :)
Congratulations on becoming and ex and keeping your compasion for premies, your wife being a premie still, helps I am sure. September surely must be the 'love' month! :)
Love,
Robyn the Birthday Goddess :)
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 10:49:05 (EDT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: Anthony le Hillarious!
Subject: Happy B. fellow Gemini!
Message:
Have a good one!

It takes some kind of gaul to confront and get along with premies after being on this site!

Love,

Liz
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 11:48:59 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: GeminiRule HappyBirthday AJW!
Message:
Happy Birthday, Anth; I hope that you have a wonderful day.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 12:50:58 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: GeminiRule HappyBirthday AJW!
Message:
Happy Birthday, AJW. It's the first free one you've had for some years now. Enjoy!
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 14:59:16 (EDT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Happy birthday, Anth....
Message:
Hope it's a wonderful day, and a great year. Thanks for all your contributions to the forum (I really enjoy the multiple 'Anths'), and for your great Journey's entry. Drip...Drip...Drip!

Love,
Katie
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 03:58:02 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: HELP STOP IT
Message:
Hi Robyn and all,

I'm embarrased. It's not my birthday.

My birthday is October 6th. This year I'm going to be fifty. I'm hoping to have a big party where my old pals and dignitaries from Elan Vital can mix happily with exes and non-cult members.

I must confess, it's really nice to get all these friendly messages. I can't wait until October. (Maybe I'll wait till the end of the day to post this, then I can read some more messages).

Actually, I'm starting to feel like it's my birthday after all. It's the feeling inside that counts right?

Sod it. I think I'll take the day off. Now, where did I put those Rizlas...

Thanks Robyn,
(Our parasite Queen has two birthdays, why shouldn't I?)

Anth the Party Animal.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 08:40:22 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: AJW
Subject: HELP STOP IT
Message:
Dear Anth,
Shit! You could have just emailed me, now I am losing face as birthday goddess, you don't want to upset a goddess do you?
Now what will happen on 10/6 is I will have to save this thread and repost it all, I guess I'll have to change the subject though. Work, work, work! :)
I didn't know your parasite Queen had 2 birthdays, what's that about?!
Now, a general question, whose birthday is 6/10 as I thought I got this date from that birthday thread a while back. Oh no, I think I just realized what I did, maybe, 6/10....10/6, I'm dislexic, that is it. Sheesh!
Well Anth, I thought I like you so well because you were born in June too but I will try to keep an open mind! :) What is a Rizlas?
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 12:47:50 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: HELP STOP IT
Message:
Hi Robyn,

You truly are a Goddess.

After I read your message today, put some lettuce leaves onto my Rizla (it's a kind of oblong white thing, very thin, with glue down one edge), I decided it must truly be my Internet Birthday. So I took the day off, and decided to celebrate the occasion every year.

Anth the humble servant of the electronic birthday creator.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 18:20:51 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: AJW
Subject: HELP STOP IT
Message:
Dear Anth,
'After I read your message today, put some lettuce leaves onto my Rizla (it's a kind of oblong white thing, very thin, with glue down one edge)'

WHAT!!!????????
If you could see the picture you've given me you'd be laughing! Why do you want to glue a piece of lettce onto a very thin oblong white thing and why does it have glue down one edge!!!!???? Is the glue specifically for lettuce!!!!!!???????
You crazy Brit! :)
Love,
The Birthday Goddess, twice removed
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 21:06:46 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: HELP STOP IT
Message:
Okay Robyn,

here's what you do. Sprinkle a generous amount of dried lettuce down the centre of the oblong white thing. (Ordinary lettuce won't do I'm afraid. Do you have teenage children? They may be able to help).

Anyway, you take the long edge without the glue, and kind of wrap it over the lettuce, as if you were rolling up the lettuce in a blanket. You keep rolling until all that is left is the gluey edge. Apply some water, or similar liquid along the glue, then complete the roll.

You should now have a cylindrical white object with dried lettuce sticking out each end.

You won't beleive what you do next Robyn.

Anth the Corruptor
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 21:29:35 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: AJW
Subject: HELP STOP IT
Message:
Dear Anth,
You'd be surprized!!! :) I use another approach though.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 22:06:25 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: HELP STOP IT
Message:
You mean you don't use the 'pick it up, spill the salad onto the carpet, be left with an empty tube of paper' method?

Stanth the Oned
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 05:51:25 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: AJW
Subject: HELP STOP IT
Message:
Dear Anth,
I pictured you gluing a whole lettuce leaf to the side of a thin oblong stone, shaped like a canoe but not hollowed out! Pretty funny, eh?
No, don't spill any salad on the floor you silly goose!
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 06:34:08 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: HELP STOP IT
Message:
Maybe this is how the expression 'stoned' originated.

Anth the Just Woke up Feeling a Bit Fuzzy.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 14:35:33 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: British & proud of it
Message:
Robyn; in Britain we write the date correctly so that the 6th of October is written as 6/10 which is the sixth day of the tenth month.

In America you write the date incorrectly and the date 6th October is written as 10/6. You also say tomato and aluminium the wrong way and all this causes a great deal of confusion.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 14:47:45 (EDT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: British & proud of it
Message:
I'm laughing out loud again, David! Gotta stop reading the forum or it will ruin my reputation.

I'm sure Robyn will be happy to know that she's not developing dyslexia (my sister, who is an accountant, says the same thing happens to her because she works with numbers constantly. They call it 'bookkeeper's syndrome'.)

BTW, all you British guys better e-mail the birthday goddess and make sure she's writing the dates 'correctly'! Of course, if you don't, you can always get TWO birthday greetings on the forum.

Take care, Sir D -
Love,
Katie
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 17:36:51 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Katie
Subject: British & proud of it 2
Message:
Dear Katie and Dave,
Hey I forgot to address the date issue. Well at least I don't have dyslexia! I just tried to look at the time setting on the task bar but I am at work and apparently I am not 'cleared' to get into that setting! I just may try to rule the world or something if I could get in there! :) I think there are 3 ways to set the date, 6/10, 10/6 and something else. I wonder if that is how the parastie Queen (I love that!) gets 2 birthdays! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 17:32:38 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Sir Dave
Subject: British & proud of it
Message:
Dear Sir,
Well I won't be saying tomatoe anymore because I can't have them on that 4 your blood type diet! I don't know how you say aluminum but I will ask you this, why do you call a hood to the car a bonnet!!! What is that about?! A car is often a masculine item so why the word bonnet! It drives me nuts! I do LOVE the accent though. :)
Love,
Rboyn
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 06:42:12 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: British & proud of it
Message:
Hey Robyn,

You're touching on a delicate subject here...and we don't like to talk about it too much, but what the hell..

You've heard about Englishmen and women's clothes right?

Well this is why the male car wears a female hat.

Antonia the Transvestite
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 08:43:28 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: AJW
Subject: British & proud of it
Message:
Dear Anth,
Ah FINALLY, an honest answer!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 12:43:12 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: British & proud of it
Message:
Hey, so you do know then.

How about I email you a jpeg of me in a lovely pink tutu?

Anthelina the Ballerina
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 16:02:53 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: AJW
Subject: British & proud of it
Message:
Dear Anth,
Sure send your tutu photo, or better yet set it up on a quicky web page so everyone can see you at your finest! Hahahahaha!
Now I see why you have a purse! :) Quite in touch with your femmine side, eh?
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 08:33:57 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: British & proud of it
Message:
Hi Robyn,

Not as much as I'd like. She's in the kitchen right now.

Antonia the hungry.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 17:41:42 (EDT)
From: American
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: British & proud of it
Message:
What do you mean, YOU write it correctly? Do you have any idea how long it took for us Americans to reform the English language until it was finally done right?!

Jeez, yooz Brits. I just don't know.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 18:58:05 (EDT)
From: Tami
Email: None
To: American
Subject: Yu tel them
Message:
Yu ar dam rite about Britis speling and nams. The Brits also hav rottin teethe. Rilly rottin. hahahaha. Well, mine ar rottin to, but that's becuz I nivir floss, an I eet a box of choclit tertels ivry day, an we dunt have floradited water up hear in the hilz.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 20:13:13 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Tami
Subject: Yu tel them
Message:
No my teeth are perfect. Not a single case of rot amongst them. Someone asked me the other day if my teeth were my own because they look so good and I told them that of course they're my own teeth. I should bloody well think so, they cost me over six hundred pounds!

You say tomayto, we say tomarto. You say aloominum, we say alumineeum. There was a song about it once on an old forties or fifties Hollywood movie.

Yes Robyn, we have a bonnet at the front and a boot at the back. I believe you have hood and a trunk. I think our cars sound as if they've got more character while yours sound like elephants wearing duffle coats.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 23:37:41 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Yu tel them
Message:
Dear Sir,
You say tomayto, I say tamarto
You say potaytoe, I say potarto
Lets call the whole thing off

I don't remember the line about alumineeum! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 23:48:54 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: All Americans
Subject: British & proud of it
Message:
Look at this logically.

6/10/1999

If this means 10th June 1999, then the sequence of date units is Months, Days, Years. That is the middle unit, the smaller unit, follwed by the larger unit. Completely illogical. It's like saying feet/inches/yards.

Isn't it more logical to state the units of measurements in order of their size? Days/Months/Years??

So 6/10/99 quite logically refers to 6th October 1999.

Can any American defend their system?

John.
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 00:43:19 (EDT)
From: Katie
Email: mishkat@gateway.net
To: JHB
Subject: There's no defense...
Message:
...the American dating system IS illogical, as you said. I think it's a holdover from the way all of us in the US were taught to write out the date in grade school. For example, June 11, 1999 (I know Europeans write 11 June 1999, and I think that's better. In fact I always dated all my class notes that way in school, at the risk of being called pretentious. I even cross my sevens sometimes too - in the US that's considered EXTREMELY pretentious!)

But face it, John, you're just stuck with us illogical American ex-premies. Hope you like us anyway!

P.S. I was trying to arrange to get a copyable version of the LOTU video to you - any word on this? Are you back in the UK? Please e-mail me and let me know (e-mail address above).
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 05:48:25 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Katie
Subject: There's no defense...
Message:
Dear Katie,
Thanks, I was wondering how they wrote the date when they wrote the month out as far as commas, NONE! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 05:44:57 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: JHB
Subject: British & proud of it
Message:
Dear John,
As the Birthday Goddess you would think that I would just KNOW this stuff but after all I am human! :)
The way we say it is, it is June 10th, 1999, sounds fine to me but then I grew up with it.
Anyway I was looking at all the birthdays I put in my date book but I am not sure if all you Brits wrote your birthdays in numbers, 6/10 (October), or wrote the month so I have it right! Now I am so confused. :( When you write the month do you write 10, October, 1999. That seems combersome so I think I would have noticed and don't remember that but now I think I may have your birthdays wrong. If I don't hear I guess you will all have 2 birthdays like your parasite Queen! :)
None of you has yet to tell me why she has 2 birthdays, maybe SHE is GOD! Or maybe her mother is! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 12:13:55 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: British & proud of it
Message:
Robyn,

In the UK, both 10th June 1999 and June 10th 1999 are equally acceptable, I think mainly because there is no chance of ambiguity. (Notice '10th' rather than '10' although of course it would be understood without the 'th'.) Possibility of confusion only arises when the month is expressed as a number. Having working in an international investment bank for many years I an very aware of this possibility so I try to always express the date using the name of the month in any written communication that could be read by Americans.

I hope I did that when telling you my birthday!:-)

John.
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 16:11:51 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: JHB
Subject: Bdays- JHB, Sir, and Gail
Message:
OK, I have you, John at June 25th and Dave I have you as November 8th. Gail, is your b day July 17th?
Would this also be a difference in Canada or France? Sheesh! I feel my crown slipping.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 16:18:22 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Bdays- JHB, Sir, and Gail
Message:
Robyn,

You've got me right, but 6th of the 25th Month doesn't really work, does it?:-)

I'm not sure I'll be on-line for my birthday.

Kind regards,

John.
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 16:24:57 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: JHB
Subject: Bdays- JHB
Message:
Dear John,
I am really fritzing out now! Duh! Hey, I don't care if you here or not on your birthday mister, I just carry out my duties. You can read it another day, the 6th day of the 25th month maybe! :)
Thanks for thinking for me, I'll try to do it for myself now that you got me started!
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 17:08:57 (EDT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Bdays- RT and Gail
Message:
Oh Birthday Goddess -
I think, although I am not sure, that both Gail and RT have the same birthday - July 16th. I could be confused here, but we could also have a two-day celebration - both of them certainly deserve it!
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 17:52:38 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Katie
Subject: Bdays- RT and Gail
Message:
Dear Katie,
I am feeling like a birthday demon!!! I have Gail on the 17th and RT on the 16th, I think I'll start another birthday date thread, not today, I am all birthday'd out! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 20:21:19 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Bdays- JHB, Sir, and Gail
Message:
Yes Robyn, my birthday is on the 8th of November. Regarding the French, they're even more incorrect than the Americans when writing the date because they write it year/month/day which is the reverse of how we write it. That's something to do with Napoleon, I think.
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 22:28:35 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Bdays Sir, HALIP & JM if
Message:
interested.

Dear Dave,
Thanks, JM didn't give his birthday but HALIP did although she(?) hasn't been around. Using my new Knowledge I got from JHB I know HALIP's b-day COULD be interpreted to September 11th which is what I have or November 9th. Sheesh!
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 14:20:46 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Royal Birthdays
Message:
Hi Robyn,

I've just found out the senile old bat has got at least two more birthdays, one in New Zealand (last Monday) and one in Australia (next monday I think).

That's four so far. Maybe she has more. I'll investigate.

I wonder if, when she dies, we'll bury her, dig her up, bury her in Australia, dig her up, bury her in New Zealand etc, so she has a funeral in each place she was born.

Citizen Anth the Republican.
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 16:20:17 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: AJW
Subject: Royal Birthdays
Message:
Dear Anth,
Then the Queen's mother is surely a Birthing Goddess!!!!! :)
All hail the Queen's mother!!!
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 08:38:39 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Royal Blood
Message:
Yes,

did you know she's 159 years old, and since the First World War, has been kept alive by transfusions of the blood of homeless orphans?

Comrade Anth.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 23:12:47 (EDT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Sassenach!
Message:
An idiot race to honour lost,
Who know's them best, despise them most.

Burns

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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 06:44:26 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Sassenach!
Message:
Yes Rob, but YOU'RE BRITISH too don't forget. Unless Scotland detatches itself and floats off to Iceland, it's still a part of Great Britain.
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Date: Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 02:47:00 (EDT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Brutish
Message:
That whole 'British' crap was invented by the English in order to justify their continuing domination and pillaging of the Celts.
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Date: Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 05:05:02 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Modern times
Message:
You don't really believe that do you? Scotland needs the taxes of the more heavily populated England and it's a fact that more money goes to Scotland from England than vice versa. In other words, Scotland makes a net profit out of the union.

Also since Scotland has a lot of unemployment, many Scots come to England to live and work. The same is true of Ireland and Wales of course. There is no antagonism between Scots and English and there's only those few people harping on about ancient history which has no relevance today since the people concerned in past events died long ago, before this century began.
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Date: Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 09:12:53 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Modern times
Message:
Ancient history...cough splutter...no relevance...choke..today...cough cough.

Surely you jest Sir Dave. The present is 100% a product of the past.

Anth (History O-level grade3)
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Date: Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 01:19:44 (EDT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Modern times
Message:
....there's only those few people harping on about ancient history which has no relevance today...

I was going to say something, but I'll resist the temptation! :)
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Date: Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 09:08:51 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: History Lesson
Message:
Hi Rob,

The 'British' are generally considered to be the Bronze Age inhabitants of the British Isles. These were mainly Celtic nations, who appeared about 600BC and conquered the native Picts, or 'Cruithen' as they were known in Ireland. The Picts continued living in what later became 'Scot' 'Land', after the invasion of the Scots Celts from Northern Ireland.

After the Roman invasion, the British were subjugated in the SouthEast. The Anglo Saxon invasion continued from the end of the Roman occupation, in the 4th Century. This was the arrival of the 'Angles' or 'English'.

So in terms of history, 'British' tends to mean the inhabitants of Britain before the Roman invasion.

In modern Britain, British has a meaning too. The parliament, although dominated by the English, has representatives from all over Britain. The armed forces are from England, Scotland Northern Ireland and Wales, and are known as the 'British' armed forces. It's not the English army.

And finally, the 'British' by no means dominate the Celts. You just have to look over to Ireland to see that. And those remarks don't do down well in Wales, Scotland, Brittany, Northern Spain or Cornwall either.

Anth the History Teacher
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Date: Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 20:15:55 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: History Lesson
Message:
Thanks for summarising that. So the Scots are those who fled the incoming Celts then. I know there's been several waves of invaders who have all added to the genetic mix. Let's not forget the Vikings who interbred here too.

I lived and worked in Scotland for a while and felt absolutely zero antagonism from any Scotish people towards me. I think history is relevant only to a limited degree. Most people don't dwell on ancient history even though they know it happened. Hey, the Romans gave us a hard time before Bodecea whupped their ass at Colchester. But we don't hate the Italians.

Only old generation Brits hate the Japanese becasuse of the war crimes. New generation Brits couldn't give a monkey's and Japanese cars and electrical good are very popular.
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Date: Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 21:11:28 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Sir Dave
Subject: History Lesson
Message:
Dear Sir,
'But we don't hate the Italians.'
Well thank god is all I can say! :)
Love,
Robyn the Pizan(sp)
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Date: Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 04:00:22 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Scots are Irish
Message:
Morning Milud,

The Scots (I think they were called Scotji) inhabited Ulster. They were Celts too. The Picts inhabited what we now call Scotland. I think here were three Pictish kingdoms, each with their own king. The Scots invaded and defeated the Picts in about the 5th century. The picts remained in the East for about 300 more years, then had another war with the Scots and lost.

So it all became 'Scotland'. But I beleive in the West of Scotland, lots of people are still descended from the Picts.

They have the right to tell the Scots to go back to their own country (Ulster).

Gorrago milud

anth the missing his train.
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Date: Mon, Jun 14, 1999 at 05:04:39 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: To-ing & fro-ing
Message:
Those Scots have done a lot of coming and going haven't they because I believe the Protestants in Ulster are Scot's who have settled there.

History is one of my favourite amateur interests and I've saved the above two posts from you for future reference. Thanks.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 01:22:10 (EDT)
From: Webmaster barney
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: ***Try the Frames Forum!***
Message:
Hey, if you haven't yet tried the Frames version of the Forum you might. It's pretty nice and saves you time.

The only requirement is that your Browser must have JavaScript enabled. You can try this link to find out if your Browser is capable. If it is then it is. If not you might try configuring your Browser options to see if JavaScript is enabled.

Frames Version of Forum

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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 09:54:56 (EDT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Webmaster barney
Subject: ***Try the Frames Forum!***
Message:
Barney, The frames-version has really improved the speed for me. Thanks alot. Jethro
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 00:15:51 (EDT)
From: Selene silent webmistress
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: ***Try the Frames Forum!***
Message:
our web team ( me and many others ) decided to lose frames after mmmmm, maybe 2 years more or less.
The behind the scenes upkeep vs. the user convenience and other solutions took precedent.

ok off topic so ban me

but we have gotten better results with 'pretend' frames
using graphics, virtual includes and shtml
the navigation is easier. sorry... couldn't resist a comment

selene...
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 02:44:56 (EDT)
From: 777
Email: no
To: Webmaster barney
Subject: ***Try the Frames Forum!***
Message:
Hey, if you haven't yet tried the Frames version of the Forum you might. It's pretty nice and saves you time.
________________________________________________________________

The Frames version is excellent. I just hope it is not too much work to keep up.

Thank you.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 10:15:55 (EDT)
From: Complaint Department
Email: None
To: Webmaster barney
Subject: ***Try the Frames Forum!***
Message:
Barney,

The frames are great. My only complaints are:

1) It would be nice if after you click on a post, it dims automatically instead of having to reload the frame. It would be easier to keep track of what you've already read that way.

2) It would be nice if you didn't have to scroll back and forth in the message box while you're entering a message to see what you're typing.

Otherwise, the frames are terrific. Thanks.

Jerry
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 10:59:27 (EDT)
From: Complaint Department
Email: None
To: Complaint Department
Subject: Scratch second complaint
Message:
2) It would be nice if you didn't have to scroll back and forth in the message box while you're entering a message to see what you're typing.

If you open the message box in a new frame that erases the above problem. Ya live, ya learn. It would still be nice if I didn't have to reload the index frame.

Jerry, who loses track of where he is, easily.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 11:14:47 (EDT)
From: selene
Email: None
To: Complaint Department
Subject: Scratch second complaint
Message:
well - that was my point about frames and navagation.
That and the fact that different browers will react differently, some giving JavaScript errors and others not.
Oh well.... I guess I am spoiled getting to try new stuff out
all the time.
I'll shut up now. (yeah right!!)
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 14:19:02 (EDT)
From: Brian
Email: katabria@apk.net
To: Complaint Department
Subject: The first complaint
Message:
1) It would be nice if after you click on a post, it dims automatically instead of having to reload the frame. It would be easier to keep track of what you've already read that way.

You don't have to reload. Click on the vertical divider between the left and right frame (as if you were going to move it), and your browser will refresh the index links.

Guess you figured out the second complaint :)
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 15:22:06 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Brian gets credit for Frames
Message:
While these complaints attempt to steal the thunder of the appreciation for the Frames version of the Forum, Brian deserves all the credit for making this happen.

I think that the Frames are great and use them exclusively.

Although it's a bit cumbersome if you navigate through the messages by solely clicking a message on the left in the Active Index frame these links will immediately appear as having been visited. Whereas if you click the Next link in the right side (the read message side) the links on the left frame will appear as visited only after you refresh the form with either method (refresh the entire page or just the left frame.)

BTW, if you are running Microsoft Internet Explorer (IE) you can right mouse click in the left frame and select refresh to refresh only the left frame. If you are running a Browser other than MS-IE you'd better know that you are hurting Guru Billji.

Also, when responding to a post you might try resizing the frames to avoid having to scroll left and right in the textarea.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 17:25:06 (EDT)
From: selene
Email: None
To: barney
Subject: Brian gets credit for Frames
Message:
I don't think anyone was attempting to 'steal thunder'
No need. ask most people who do web development

I was pointing out the flaws in frames. But how would I know?

silly girl..... selene
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 18:22:22 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: whoever
Subject: Brian gets credit for Frames
Message:
and what is really funny is the mention of IE
That was the LAST browser to finally get with it
regarding JavaScript - why do I know this?
All the consulting calls I got over the last year or 2.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 17:55:20 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: barney
Subject: Brian gets credit for Frames
Message:
Barney,

It works differently depending on what browser you use. With Internet Explorer, its easier. The headings dim automatically when you click them and the message box scrolls automatically as well. With Netscape you have to refresh the index frame by clicking on the separation bar and in order to see what you're typing you have to either use the scroll bar at the bottom of the frame or you have to open a new window. Either way, its a big improvement over the old method. I for one thing the effort put into setting it up was well worth it and appreciate it. Sorry if I came across as a whiner. Didn't mean to.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 15:54:32 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Thanks, Brian
Message:
Works like a charm. We're in business :)
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 18:26:48 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Jerry
Subject: Thanks, Brian
Message:
Dear Brian,
At work I have a 24 or 27 inch monitor and the frames are great but I thought it wouldn't be so good at home and I can't see as much of the left frame as I'd like but I resized it a bit wider and the message or reply window is totally visible, I usually use IE.
Thanks, it sure is faster!
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 23:16:18 (EDT)
From: gregg
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Denver
Message:
When I received Knowledge (in the only black premie community outside of Africa, as far as I know: Cincinati), I was living in Richmond, Indiana. I was the only premie there. I drove to Indianapolis (where there was a suburban ashram) for satsang once a week. (anybody remember those premie conga players?)

I ended up in Denver...there was a job there...and IHQ...and, since my experience was in question...I figured immersion in the ashram experience (such as it was in 1977) might help. It didn't, except that being the housefather of a bunch of burned out IHQ premies allowed me the privelege of darshan service, within sight of the Man himself.

(one of the fascinating things about this forum is to be able to hear from those who actually got to speak with Him Himself. 99% of premies must satisfy themselves with a theoretical experience of the Lord. Not enough...and this feeling of Not Enough...this feeling of Must Have More...is what motivates most premies. Am I right, or am I chopped liver?)

Well, you know how it is. Darshan is impressive. If you are a believer. (I have also been in evangelical services, in which someone presses the palm of their hand upon the forehead...third eye... of the parishioner...who may pass out, darshan style. So tell me premies, what's the difference?

The last big community center in Denver, by the way...it was red-carpeted in the pathetically sincere attempt to lure Maharaj Ji there...is now a Spanish-speaking evangelical Christian joint.

I have lived in several places since moving here in a premie mood...Japan, SF, Boulder...but I moved back, and it has turned out fantastically. Family, House, Garden, Consciousness...do you think that it was Maharaj Ji's grace? If so, he was most beneficent, allowing me to escape his clutches to experience Ultimat Reality face to face.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:13:35 (EDT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: gregg
Subject: Denver
Message:
Absolutely, Old Chap!

You are definately NOT chopped liver.

Liz
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 13:12:55 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Cincinnati
Message:
Gregg: I lived in the Columbus ashram and we went to Cincinnati a few times to visit the premies there. What a great bunch of folks! Satsang was very lively and there were those conga players. I always liked going there.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 23:05:14 (EDT)
From: 777
Email: no
To: Everyone
Subject: a Sick and Dangerous Cult
Message:
. Anonymous: It made me sick to my stomach when I read your last post. That the cult and M interfere with your relationship is inexcusable. M putting himself and all others in our relationships' was the most abusive, pernicious, and misguided part of his whole trip. We gave ourselves to him and excluded those who really did love us. Some of us lost relationships with family members, or just had family members die when we were involved, and we were never able to heal the wounds.
________________________________________________________________
. YES, this is maybe not believed by many who were not there, but, it is as crazy insane as it is, but, true, {M} said, let the DEAD, bury the DEAD. He said that to Joan A. at the Malibu Residence when she asked him for advice, as to should she go to her {?}/Mother?/{?}/loved ones, funeral.

To {M}, all are DEAD, unless they are under his Agya-?/His Command!

This is a Sick and Dangerous Cult………………..
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:38:22 (EDT)
From: 888
Email: None
To: 777
Subject: I bought that one once
Message:
Worst thing I ever did. Still regret it.

That fucking sick bastard.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 13:05:29 (EDT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: 777
Subject: a Sick and Dangerous Cult
Message:
That's gotta be in the top ten of the sickest sicks M ever said--
'Let the Dead Bury the Dead'.
So much for compassion.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 13:29:51 (EDT)
From: Don
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Sick Comment
Message:
The very funny writer, Fran Leibowitz, (Metropolitan Life, Social Studies), used to complain about dogs in NYC because they defecated in front of her building in Manhattan. She was in favor of banning dogs from the city, but she had heard that dogs were necessary for two groups: 1) the blind, who needed seeing eye dogs, and 2) the pathologically lonely.

Her solution?: 'Let the lonely lead the blind.'
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 14:48:23 (EDT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Don
Subject: Sick Comment
Message:
Fran is dry dry dry!! She is funny. I don't think she would have any luck with her scheme since this is the nation of dog lovers (me included) :)
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 14:52:54 (EDT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Sick Comment
Message:
Yeah, I'm a dog lover too, and Fran as just kidding. I also liked her comment about Italy:

'One need only be in Italy for a few hours to realize that Fellini was making documentaries.'
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 14:55:47 (EDT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Sick Comment
Message:
That is cute. Like I said, dry dry dry.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:29:37 (EDT)
From: Mare
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Sick Comment
Message:
JW,

At last, now I know why the gates were locked during darshan in Rome;-) It was all a Fellini deja vu;-)

'One need only be in Italy for a few hours to realize that Fellini was making documentaries.'

LOL
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 08:19:05 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: a Sick and Dangerous Cult
Message:
Helen,

Jesus said it, too.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 10:01:39 (EDT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: a Sick and Dangerous Cult
Message:
Well, it was a sick thing for him to say too!! Jesus said a lot of sick things to his apostles/devotees too (if the Bible is true). I know he also wanted his devotees to give up everything, their families etc, and follow him.

Yet I can pick apart the good things that Jesus said , and I liked many more things about that he said than what M has said. However I could not be anyone's (any man or woman's) devotee ever again and turn my back on friends and families' funerals. That is too weird!!!
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 12:14:01 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: a Sick and Dangerous Cult
Message:
Actually, 'let the dead bury the dead' is a quote from Matthew 8:22, where Jesus told a Scribe 'Follow me; let the dead bury the dead.'
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 12:37:23 (EDT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: Let the Dead Heads, Fred
Message:
So what do you think Jesus meant in this context? How ya doing, Father Mickey? Are you an Austin Powers fan too? (I know you have a silly sense of humor)
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 02:33:08 (EDT)
From: JH
Email: None
To: 777
Subject: a Sick and Dangerous Cult
Message:
. YES, this is maybe not believed by many who were not there, but, it is as crazy insane as it is, but, true, {M} said, let the DEAD, bury the DEAD. He said that to Joan A. at the Malibu Residence when she asked him for advice, as to should she go to her {?}/Mother?/{?}/loved ones, funeral.
To {M}, all are DEAD, unless they are under his Agya-?/His Command!

This is a Sick and Dangerous Cult………………..

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That is beyond sick!
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 22:31:09 (EDT)
From: *Webmaster barney*
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Phone numbers not a good idea
Message:
Here I go again, but...

I'm not so sure that it is such a good idea to post people's phone numbers without their permission. Therefore, I edited a post below that had such.

I'm not quite so sure that these people fully qualify as Public Persons and it might be viewed as rude and an invasion of their privacy.

Thanks
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 22:32:20 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: *Webmaster barney*
Subject: Fair enough
Message:
That's why God created email, I guess.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 16:41:41 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: *Webmaster barney*
Subject: But Duhaney called and I
Message:
didn't write down his number.

No shit, he left a message for me this morning but he didn't leave his number.

Gail, could you email me so I can call him back?

Thanks
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 14:07:47 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I t'd w Duhaney last night
Message:
So it turns out I knew Michael, that he was the Jamaican guy I lived in the Halifax ashram with back in 77. Nice guy, loved to have a good time. We reminisced a bit. Basically, I explained to him my genesis as an ex, the whole story about Raja Ji telling me that even he gets stonewalled by the on-again/ off-again Lord of the Universe and everything. He just listened.

I then asked him why Gail wasn't allowed in any programs. He said that wasn't his call, he was just relaying the info. I then asked him if he didn't see that as a moral problem, delivering a message like that yet not taking any responsibility for it. He didn't have an answer and I had to go.
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Date: Sun, Jun 13, 1999 at 05:20:42 (EDT)
From: x
Email: no
To: Jim
Subject: I t'd w Duhaney last night
Message:
I then asked him why Gail wasn't allowed in any programs. He said that wasn't his call, he was just relaying the info. I then asked him if he didn't see that as a moral problem, delivering a message like that yet not taking any responsibility for it. He didn't have an answer and I had to go.
------------------------------------------------------------------

cool - but, sick&sad.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:52:39 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: *Webmaster barney*
Subject: Phone numbers not a good idea
Message:
Your a gentleman barney...
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 22:29:07 (EDT)
From: Magnificent Martian
Email: None
To: Barney, et al
Subject: Long delay
Message:
Barney:

I'm having to wait for several minutes for the active index page to load. Is this a problem with my browser, or ISP, or are others experiencing the same thing?

MM
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 22:34:41 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Magnificent Martian
Subject: You're in your mind
Message:
Is this a problem with my browser, or ISP, or are others experiencing the same thing?

Sorry, brother, but Maharaji says we shouldn't compare experiences.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 23:42:12 (EDT)
From: Magnificent Martian
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You're in your mind
Message:
Jim:

Sorry, brother, but Maharaji says we shouldn't compare experiences.

You know perfectly well that Maharaji has uttered just about everything at one time or another, so being a faithful follower all one has to do is practice creative ignorance. This is part of the great Lila. (Or is that Lisa?) You're just being un-Canadian.

MM
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:32:39 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Magnificent Martian
Subject: probably just a transient
Message:
MM,

it's later now and it seems ok for me.

lot's of things can affect what's going on at your computer:

your isp
the routers
the big backbones
the server where ex-premie.org is
how many people are posting at one time
the number of messages that are Active

Are you using the Frames version? It is a faster way to navigate because you don't need to refresh the index of active posts as often.

Your browser needs to support JavaScript.

Try it at Framed Forum
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 01:08:35 (EDT)
From: Magnificent Martian
Email: None
To: barney
Subject: probably just a transient
Message:
Barney:

Thanks. The framed version works better.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 03:27:40 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Magnificent Martian
Subject: Long delay
Message:
This delay is due to the huge distance between Earth and Mars. It takes light or radio waves between twenty and forty minutes to reach Mars from Earth, depending on where the planets are in their orbits. Just be thankful you don't live on Pluto.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 07:26:25 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
I called Michael Duhaney yesterday and requested to go to Montreal. I just finished talking to him. He said that, despite the open door policy, the powers that be (he refused to say who, but I suspect it's George Legere) feel I should demonstrate some sincerity before being allowed back.

All I can say is, 'Oh Lord. Thank you for the open door policy and the unconditional love.' I was so looking forward to Montreal, too!

What bugs me is that if I'd stayed anonymous and been selective in my posts, they wouldn't know who I am. Cloak and dagger is the only way to go in MJ's cult! Skulking and lying are revered; honesty and truth are rejected.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 07:59:59 (EDT)
From: The Phantom
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
Try what I said
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 08:43:11 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: The Phantom
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
Will do!
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 13:25:29 (EDT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: The Phantom
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
Well, some of you more recent exes might have a harder time, but old-time exes should be able to get in. Use an assumed name if you need to. Consider a disguise. Tell them you received knowledge in 1972 and haven't been around for 20 years, but you are really excited about seeing the GURU again. You can have some fun using all the old words that are now verbotten. Humm the song 'Lord of the Universe;' ask them if there will be ARTI and a darshan line at this program. Ask them at the registration desk if we will get to see M in his Krishna crown and robes. Ask if there is a special section for ashram residents and if the mahatmas will be giving satsang. Tell them you are interested in doing service in 'premie assistance.' Wear earth shoes and a Lord of the Universe button which you should tell them you pulled out of storage especially for the 'festival.' Have fun.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 19:22:14 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Lost sheep.... ;-)
Message:
JW: Man, either you would be abused mercilessly or they would think you were a VERY LONG lost sheep! Too funny!
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 08:09:23 (EDT)
From: D_Thomas
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
Gail, I just want to say that what they are doing to you looks really rotten. It displays a complete lack of faith on their (whoever is doing it) part: not just a lack of faith that you would be civil, but a lack of faith in free-expression and the principles of democracy and a lack of faith in Knowledge, that it would ultimately win out, if challenged.

D
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 08:59:15 (EDT)
From: ANONYMOUS
Email: NONE
To: Gail
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
Gail - I applaud you for your honesty with that guy Delany but truly I think you are wasting your time. You are dammed if you go and dammed if you don't.

Cloak and dagger is the only way in - me for example! But it is not bloody M's organization that bothers me. Not in the least. Only my wife who is so taken up with M.

For all of M's pitiful verbiage this is no democratic cult - just an autocracy.

I remain anonymous
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 11:08:15 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: ANONYMOUS
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
That must be painful for you Anonymous. Does she think she loves MJ more than you? That's what I thought; I believed I loved him more than anyone else (the rest of the world didn't really matter). Now, I wish I hadn't crashed and burned so many things in my life. Good luck to you.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 11:15:01 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
Hi Gail! How are you doing? Look, maybe I missed this when you posted it another time. If I did, I apologize. Why do you want to go? I am curious. What are you feeling inside about going, if you want to tell me? I can't imagine setting foot inside a program, be it satsang, M, a festival, whatever. But, I have been out for much longer..... If you do get in, or get to attend some other event, please take someone with you. You (we all would) need someone to process this with.

Has it been really hot in Ontario?
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 11:32:48 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: david.studio57@btinternet.com
To: Marianne
Subject: Maharaji's fear of Gail
Message:
Isn't it obvious why Gail wants to go to the program? She wants to throw a custard pie at Maharaji. He hasn't got over the last one yet.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 11:44:46 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: Maharaji's fear of Gail
Message:
Gail: In response to Sir Dave's post, perhaps you want to get in touch with Curly and obtain a Stooge Cream Pie for the next event!
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 14:18:10 (EDT)
From: Katie
Email: mishkat@gateway.net
To: Marianne
Subject: going to a program
Message:
Hi Marianne -
I'm not sure why Gail wants to go to a program, but I also want to go, and I can tell you why. I've been 'out' for a long time - I last saw Maharaji in spring of 1977 at Holi in Miami, and I am just very curious to see what things are like now. I've read so much about it on the forum and on the other sites that I'd like to experience for myself. I think it would be fascinating.

By the way, I think that it's kind of strange that Gail can't get into the program because she's not 'sincere', or whatever. I guess that JW's probably right when he said the people who are in charge of letting people in don't want Gail to 'report' on the program on this site, but there are several anonymous people here who do still go to the programs and DO report back. (Besides, what are people in charge worried that Gail might 'report' about? We're talking about a public program, aren't we?)
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 14:21:11 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: nothing is really public
Message:
Something may be labelled as public, but the legal reality is that those running the show can exclude people as they see fit.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 16:28:41 (EDT)
From: RT
Email: omm
To: barney
Subject: public lair
Message:
Hi Gail, go anyway, hang around the lobby and see old 'friends' people who forget you once you leave..because you remind them of a rational being..

so go...you're so close, and you will realize a lot.

RT
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:32:06 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: david.studio57@btinternet.com
To: Katie
Subject: The sincerity detector
Message:
The word is that they've got a new gismo lined up for future programs which is a bit like a mobile lie detector which measures your brain waves as you walk past it.

Anyway, they're going to be setting up one of these gismos at the entrance to future programs and it will test people's sincerity or lack of it. If a person walks past the gismo with gross insincerity then the screen on the gismo shows a blip on the graph and an alarm sounds and security step in and take the person to one side for questioning.

This is all well and good, this 'sincerity detector' machine but what do the security do if Maharaji accidentally walks past it?
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 13:17:10 (EDT)
From: ANONYMOUS
Email: NONE
To: Gail
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
Thanks Gail. You are right. She does love the bugger more than me ... and everyone else for that matter.

I think it will take a miracle to change that but I keep on trying.

That's why I remain ANONYMOUS
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 15:03:45 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: ANONYMOUS
Subject: Love M more than others
Message:
Anonymous: It made me sick to my stomach when I read your last post. That the cult and M interfere with your relationship is inexcusable. M putting himself and all others in our relationships' was the most abusive, pernicious, and misguided part of his whole trip. We gave ourselves to him and excluded those who really did love us. Some of us lost relationships with family members, or just had family members die when we were involved, and we were never able to heal the wounds. I'm afraid I'm at a loss for any more words here because this is so upsetting to me. I wish you well. Please stick around the Forum for support.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 15:26:52 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Anonymous shows unconditional
Message:
love for his wife. Most of us would have left by now (except that we know what it's all about, so we can show compassion). Playing second fiddle to an imaginary lover cuts deep (sorry dear, I've got to meditate first). Many premie marriages have broken up. Hardly anyone stayed together. That's what makes the scene more insane by the year.

Everyone has differences, and it makes it hard to consistently love on a daily basis. There are going to be those days when you feel like packing your bags. Regular folks try to deal with the issues, and make the most. I am the only person in a staff of 95 that is not married. All of these folks have been married for centuries, too! Many speak very highly of their spouses to this day (I could never figure out why these people were happy. MJ said that married life was hell again and again.).

With Maharaji, you can imagine him to be anything you want. The creator will fix everything. There is no need to worry and take responsibility for personal happiness. Notice that when things are going well, there is less need for videos, MJ, programs, etc. When things are in a slump or a major crisis has surfaced, the good old PREMIE JI resurfaces to mask the pain. MJ and K are an escape mechanism, for sure. Breathe and block your thoughts. Feeling down? Hop on a jet and get high with the Lord. Renew your commitment. That's what's wrong. You just aren't trying hard enough.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 01:17:29 (EDT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: ANONYMOUS
Subject: Anon/Anonymous?
Message:
Are Anon & Anonymous the same person? I really enjoyed Anons post about polishing Raja J's Lamborgini at the Reigate Res.

I wonder how on earth PAM's there come to terms with all that loot?

They seem to be catching a ride. I've noticed that PAMS paid by M are very well dressed these days on our money.

Liz
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 11:04:35 (EDT)
From: Anon
Email: None
To: Liz
Subject: Anon/Anonymous?
Message:
Are Anon & Anonymous the same person?

Nope
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 09:37:32 (EDT)
From: A Premie
Email: scum@lotus_feet.com
To: Gail
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
Isn't it enough just to have Maharaji on the planet? Why, we're not worthy to even look at him!
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 11:03:43 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: A Premie
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
A ExPremie is more like it.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:18:49 (EDT)
From: Magnificent Martian
Email: None
To: A Premie
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
AP:

Isn't it enough just to have Maharaji on the planet? Why, we're not worthy to even look at him!

I know, I know. I'm so ashamed that I can't even send him any of my paltry money. It is unworthy of being in his bank account. Right on, brother! JSCA

MM
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:36:42 (EDT)
From: A Premie
Email: None
To: Magnificent Martian
Subject: The red planet
Message:
You know, some people here think I'm a joke but then they don't reckognise truth when it's expressed, do they. You are right though. You don't deserve to give Maharaji your money and you wouldn't appreciate the fantastic gift it is, to be able to give him as much of your money as you can possibly give.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 22:25:22 (EDT)
From: Magnificent Martian
Email: None
To: A Premie
Subject: The red planet
Message:
AP:

You know, some people here think I'm a joke but then they don't reckognise truth when it's expressed, do they.

People think you're a joke?? You must be joking.

MM
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 11:19:26 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: A Premie
Subject: Oh, brother!
Message:
So give him ALL of your money dear premie and watch him squander it on the most useless piles of crap you can imagine, while YOU starve! Gooooood Idea......
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 14:02:18 (EDT)
From: Pauline Premie
Email: None
To: A Premie
Subject: The red planet
Message:
You know, some people here think I'm a joke but then they don't reckognise truth when it's expressed, do they. You are right though. You don't deserve to give Maharaji your money and you wouldn't appreciate the fantastic gift it is, to be able to give him as much of your money as you can possibly give

So true. It is always inspiring to be reminded of that place by a premie with understanding, not that you had anything to do with it, because it's all Maharaji's grace.

Being the unworthy, slimy, intestinal worms we are, we are just so lucky to be able to have that gift of that opportunity to have that understanding to give that money we would be spending on unnecessary things like blood pressure medication to Maharaji. Money exists for no other purpose than to dedicate it to Maharaji and his lotus feet so he can spend it on gold plumbing fixtures and $30,000 watches. If you do not have that understanding, you will not experience that gift which is that love, that truth, that grace and that experience, and that knowledge must be approached with that understanding, by his grace. Without Maharaji, we are nothing more than the greasy, grimy, puss-encrusted guts of dead sewer rats. I just love Maharaji so much.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 13:44:24 (EDT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
Gail, did Mr. Duhaney suggest how you might 'deomstrate sincerity?' Maybe say five 'Our Fathers' and 10 'Hail Marys' in public? Give some money, maybe? No matter how you cut it, it is utter hypocrisy for the cult to ban anyone who has received knowledge unless they are some kind of a threat to others, especially because M has always ranted on about how this knowledge is open to anyone and his door is always open.

In your case, Gail, the threat is that you might talk about, publicly, what went on at the 'event' and others will comment on it. That isn't allowed. Also, you will get to hear Maharaji speak, warts and all, prior to the editing process that goes on before the video of the event comes out for more public consumption.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 17:52:33 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
As for sincerity Gail, the question is still why the hell you expect to be welcome. Do you really think your position is tenable after all the bile you've directed Maharaji's way. Let's paint a different picture: Let's pretend you have a brother that professes compassion, whose boat you borrow regularily to entertain guests. While the guests are aboard you bitterly complain at what a piece of junk the boat is, and what a cheapskate your brother is for not lending you the money so you can buy your own. After all, if he was truly compassionate he would take care of his own flesh and blood. He finds out about all the abuse you've been dishing out and is deeply hurt, and the next time you ask to use the boat he refuses. He says you don't appreciate his gift, which he has let you use in the past whenever he could, and you have no respect for it or his kindness. You go back to your friends and bitterly complain saying, 'See what a mean and cruel person he is, and how badly he treats his own family.'
...get the point.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 18:15:53 (EDT)
From: Curly
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: I see your point
Message:
it's somewhere between Pluto and the next solar system.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 18:26:17 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Curly
Subject: I see your point
Message:
Hey, it's an analogy for God's sake... work with me.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 23:31:37 (EDT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Specious Point
Message:
If M wants to just say his trip is a private party and only people he wants to be there can be, fine. But that isn't what he professes, which is that he has knowledge for EVERYONE and that he has supposedly devoted his life to giving peace and happiness to the world. Now, I know that is crap, but that's what he says. So, the ban anyone, setting aside people who are some kind of physical threat which is NOT Gail is hypocrisy to the extreme.

If I criticize the President, say he is an immoral asshole, will I be BANNED from an event where he is speaking? No, of course not, unless I had threatened his life.

If I publicly criticize the Catholic Church, criticize the Pope, the Bishop and the local priest, will I be BANNED from attending Mass at a Catholic Church? Of course not.

What on earth does M have to fear from Gail? What he fears is open discussion. What he fears is Gail talking about his trip publicly in other than cult-programmed terms. That's what he fears and that's what the President and the Catholic Church does NOT fear. That's what the difference is, only M is too much of a liar to say that right out loud.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:33:43 (EDT)
From: CD
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Specious Point
Message:
>What on earth does M have to fear from Gail? What he fears is open discussion. What he fears is Gail talking about his trip publicly in other than cult-programmed terms.

You can buy a video of what is said at an event and analyze it if you want. Why do you think Gails report would be so special?
Speculation is running wild.

CD
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 07:08:49 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: Specious Point--exactly
Message:
What do you think, CD? I pose no danger to the day's event, and the material is freely available, so what's the problem?
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:07:57 (EDT)
From: CD
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: Specious Point--exactly
Message:
>What do you think, CD? I pose no danger to the day's event, and the material is freely available, so what's the problem?

Gail I have nothing against you.
I don't have first hand knowledge of your situation.
I certainly can not make a good recommendation based on a few words on this web page. Maybe you would really like to go but maybe you are just doing a bit of social engineering.
Sometimes there are 2 sides to a story.
You could probably just walk in if you don't want to make a big announcement of your arrival, don't want to make a public statement to the crowd and you really want to go.

Have fun,
CD
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:40:39 (EDT)
From: Maggie
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: EV - Social Engineering
Message:
CD,

Maybe you would really like to go but maybe you are just doing a bit of social engineering.

You do cover quite a few bases. I think your friend Maharaji is the Master of Social Engineering not Gail. Go to his trinket web site and prove to us he is not the same con since the dawn of time. Oh my, we're back to the LOTU again.

Con artists, since the dawn of gullibility, have been able to predict what the human eyes will see, what the human ears will hear and what the human mind will think. Selling something in such a way that consumers are unable to see is believed to be the most advanced form of advertising. Just as the Japanese have experimented in using subliminal messages in department stores to stop shop-lifters, the new advertising agents are working hard at experimenting with on-line deception.
By RSnake (7/22/1998)

Maggie
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 23:51:59 (EDT)
From: Ganga
Email: gangjeez@yahoo.com
To: Maggie
Subject: EV - Social Engineering
Message:
Maggie,

Are you one and the same maggie of M&M that privately e-mailed me? If so, you don't need to respond to me here at EX, unless you want to. But please comfirm if you are, or are not that 'maggie' who 'wanders' (re: maggie's post at 'Premie Forum'.) My e-mail is provided above.

Thanks

Ganga
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 09:42:46 (EDT)
From: Maggie
Email: None
To: Ganga
Subject: Wrong Maggie
Message:
Hello Ganga,

I am one of Polly's friends. She's very busy lately and a bit stressed out. I come and help her when the 'Snow Queens' arrive from South America. Polly gets really wingy when she has to weigh everything by the gram for distribution to the needy masses. To add to her stress, her friend Honey Bunny does a street market analysis to ascertain whether or not it will be necessary to recruit more 'Snow Queens' possessing large 'midnight trampolines' for transport on to Montreal.

Oh the trials and travails of supply and demand.

Cheers,
Maggie
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 21:51:13 (EDT)
From: Ganga
Email: None
To: Maggie
Subject: Wrong Maggie
Message:
Who is Polly?
What is a Snow Queen?
How does Honey Bunny fit into all this by steering midnite trampolines to Montreal?

You're reply seemed very crpytic. I haven't a clue as to what you're trying to convey.

Regards,

Ganga
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 08:39:45 (EDT)
From: Maggie
Email: None
To: Ganga
Subject: Wrong Maggie
Message:
Hi Ganga,

Who is Polly?
You haven't been following the threads friend. Polly Wolly is the official EV laundress recruited by EV from the 'Orange Blossom Trail' in Orlando.

What is a Snow Queen?
Hmmm, haven't been on the streets much in life. You'll have to find out on your own dear.

How does Honey Bunny fit into all this by steering midnite trampolines to Montreal?

Honey Bunny is Polly Wolly's bestest friend and quite brilliant. She is constantly trying to enlighten Polly Wolly that she is not working on the vice-presidents rythym. She is working on Al-gor-ithms.

It you don't know what a midnight trampoline is then wear a raincoat if you don't want the progeny 9 months later.

You're reply seemed very crpytic. I haven't a clue as to what you're trying to convey.

Like I said - wrong Maggie;-)
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 00:14:10 (EDT)
From: CD
Email: None
To: Maggie
Subject: are you experienced
Message:
>You do cover quite a few bases. I think your friend Maharaji is the Master of Social Engineering not Gail.

My point was that it is not possible to tell much about M or Gail by some words on the Internet. Certainly not enough to base an important decision on.
You are certainly welcome to think what you want.

>Go to his trinket web site

I happen to own some of the swan glasses. Very nice pieces of glass work.
By the way, not everybody likes to eat avacados. I do.

CD
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 11:13:11 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: Buying edited material
Message:
CD: Why would we want to buy an edited video? You know, the ones that are sanitized for public release?
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 13:54:05 (EDT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: Specious Point
Message:
Well, first of all, as Mike said, videos are edited, as people have reported here.

Second, it is reputed that Maharaji's 'presence' has some sort of important meaning for people, or gives them some kind of 'experience.' Otherwise, why does M even do 'events' and not just make videos?
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:41:43 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: My Point
Message:
If M wants to just say his trip is a private party and only people he wants to be there can be, fine. But that isn't what he professes...

In fact, people attend Elan Vital events by invitation only... that is the official position. That being the case, people can be asked to leave who diss their welcome. But that is never done lightly, and only in certain circumstances. This appears to be one of them. After all, Gail is actively trying to interfere with the efforts of premies in her town, and her comments on the net have been quite bombastic. I don't know... compassion or not, it's with a lot of gaul on her part that she would expect a welcome. Shows how little common courtesy she has. I mean, if I trashed my neighbor's house and beat his kid, I'd be a bit much to expect I'd be invited to his next Birthday party... and I'd be an idiot to complain that I wasn't.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 11:13:09 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Jesus, Nil
Message:
Nil: You are particularly good at trying to mix apples and oranges in a discussion.... to wit: 'if I trashed my neighbor's house and beat his kid, I'd be a bit much to expect I'd be invited to his next Birthday party...'

Gail hasn't done ANY physical damage to anything or anyone. If you trashed a neighbors house and beat his kid you would be a CRIMINAL! Gail, on the other hand, is trading words not fists.

See the difference?

Nil, the reason that you can't find a good example to build on is because there aren't any. There isn't anything that corresponds to a statement of open-door-policy invitation and the actual CONDITIONAL invitation that exists in reality. No one else does this, Nil. It's too hypocritical to even discuss.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 13:16:02 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: Yes Mike...
Message:
Mike try to extend your thinking here. It's the 'intent' to do harm that is at the root of both cases. Harm to Maharaji and his work was/is Gail's demonstrated intention. So that's why I say it'd be a bit much of her to expect to be welcome at an event. Now, take note... I'm talking about her expectation only. I'm not privy to an actual decision to refuse her entry so I don't know the wherefore's or the why's of that.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 14:49:24 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Ok Nil
Message:
Nil: I will extend my thinking. How could anything Gail does hurt THE TRUTH, if it is really true? The truth stands on its own and try as we might to make it into a sows ear, truth WILL STAND, right? Then why the fuss?

It's different if M is nothing but a meditation teacher who provides relaxation techniques. But then again, if that's all he's doing, why the big fuss? Who cares if his movement crashes and burns?

No, it is more than obvious that you guys think he is MUCH more than a meditation teacher and you think K is much more than relaxation techniques, despite what you say and despite the fact that M is trying to rewrite history. THAT'S why it's such a BIG DEAL and that's why you all react so violently to dissent.

So, what's the point? The point is that if M is god (an idea that you all support, based upon your reactions to those of us who don't think so), then what we say and do couldn't possibly hurt his mission. So, why can't Gail go to a program?
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 18:44:11 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: Ok Nil
Message:
The point is that if M is god (an idea that you all support, based upon your reactions to those of us who don't think so), then what we say and do couldn't possibly hurt his mission. So, why can't Gail go to a program?

Mike, Mike Mike... I don't know why she can't go to the program. My point is why should she expect to go after what she has done. If you follow the conventional wisdom about God (which I think you're trying to do), wouldn't his mission be one thing -- to teach? I mean if she could get away with pissing on God and then expecting a royal welcome, maybe she'd figure that's how God wants us to treat each other. If God's lesson were: treat your fellow man like you would God and vice versa, then Gail would definitely be barred. Anyway who knows what God wants to teach Gail?
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 19:49:29 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: She isn't asking for a red
Message:
carpet, Nil. Just to be treated like any other person that wants to attend. I'll bet that there are aspirants that have bad mouthed all gurus, M, god, truth, justice, and the american way, but THEY are let in without question. But god forbid an ex be permitted to be in the presence of the holy one (or to even watch a live video event).

Has any ex that you/we know of caused a commotion at an event? I haven't heard of any? So why would they be afraid of something that's never happened? Even the pie-face incident didn't involve an ex-premie; it was someone that had never been initiated. It seems to me, judging from the evidence, that people without k are the biggest threats. Maybe he shouldn't let aspirants into any programs/events.

Anyway, this horse has been beaten to the point of rotting by the side of the road. It's obvious to me that the open-door policy is a sham and it's just as obvious to me that 'his' love (whatever that means) IS conditional.

What does that all boil down to? To me, at the very best, it means that he is just a guy that thinks he can teach relaxation techniques and pass them off as capable of producing 'liberation.' He's just a guy with the same hangups and problems as everyone else (only worse, since he tries to pass himself off as god or satguru or whatever). At worst, it means he is the worst kind of fraud that preys on the most sensitive weakness of the human animal.....the intense desire to 'know' what's going on and what the purpose of life is..... to try to know the ultimate thing....to try to know god! It's a weakness that gets us in trouble alot!

Why do I call it a weakness? Because we truely understand that we are mortal and we just can't buy it! We just can't live with the simple fact of life/death. We need to hide this terrible truth from ourselves, so we try to invent a way to become immortal. That, my friend, is a horrible weakness that gets us into all kinds of crap.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 16:01:21 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Amazing hypocrisy
Message:
Mike try to extend your thinking here.

Nil,

How dare you talk like this when you're not even willing to jump through the same hoops you ask us to go through.

Really, man, is this fair?
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 15:57:24 (EDT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: My Point
Message:
In fact, people attend Elan Vital events by invitation only... that is the official position

Well, you should go over to the Elan Vital site and tell them that, because they make statements that his programs are open to everyone free of charge. The other point you ignore is that M himself has said for years that this knowledge is available to everyone, but I guess his programs aren't.

But that is never done lightly, and only in certain circumstances.

How do you know? In Gail's case the grounds are pretty flimsy. Basically, they don't like certain comments she has made and she isn't appropriately sincere. This is bogus crap.

Gail isn't asking for a welcome you dope, she is just asking to be let in the door. Once again, you analogies suck.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 18:26:45 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: My Brother is not the LOTU!
Message:
In fact, I don't have a brother or sister. Nil, I foolishly believed MJ was the Lord. MJ helped to mislead me by out-and-out lying. If I had not believed that lie, I would not have wasted my life in a cult. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? In retrospect, I have no regrets about anything I have said or done in this past year. Well, maybe I shouldn't have revealed my identity, but I wanted to.

Besides, if MJ wasn't lying about being the LOTU, then how can he be compared to a mere mortal? How can you compare a brother to god incarnate? MJ should let me in? He promised to. He also promised his unconditional love. Notice how the whole thing caves in at the first sign of anarchy. Stop apologizing for cult actions under the direction of MJ. He is a liar, and that's that!

Quite frankly, I would like to go because I want to see some people I used to know. I'm very used to going to these cult events, having been to at least a hundred of them, if not more.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 19:02:29 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: My Brother is not the LOTU!
Message:
Nil, I foolishly believed MJ was the Lord.

What you mean is you foolishly believed something you hadn't understood for yourself. I ALWAYS heard him tell us to have the experience for ourselves before believing... guess you missed that detail. It's like giving directions to someone who doesn't have the time to stop and listen... they're bound to miss a few details. Based on what I've experienced so far, Maharaji has never lied to ME about who he is.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 19:19:19 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: My Brother is not the LOTU!
Message:
You are absolutely right, Nil.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 19:47:39 (EDT)
From: Magnificent Martian
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: My Brother is not the LOTU!
Message:
Nil, ol' buddy:

Re: Based on what I've experienced so far, Maharaji has never lied to ME about who he is.

I just wanted you to know that you have in no way fallen short of the standards we have come to expect of premies, and their wonderful ability to construct reality. Kudos, my friend.

-MM
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:10:17 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Magnificent Martian
Subject: My Brother is not the LOTU!
Message:
I just wanted you to know that you have in no way fallen short of the standards we have come to expect of premies, and their wonderful ability to construct reality.

Well thanks... kind of you to say so. I do try to honestly and sincerely present my perspective on the subject. Now, I recognize that we ALL construct reality to a degree... we have no choice but to fill in the blanks with place-holders from time to time. I do recognize that these place-holders will be replaced with the true picture once the blank piece of the puzzle has been understood.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 01:03:21 (EDT)
From: Magnificent Martian
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: My Brother is not the LOTU!
Message:
Nil:

Now, I recognize that we ALL construct reality to a degree...

To what degree? What sort of blanks have you filled in, when it comes to the claims made by and for Maharaji? You remind me of a Donald Duck cartoon. Upon seeing a sign that said 'Don't step on the grass' Donald immediately steps on it saying (in a heavy QUWAA accent, with loads of spittle): 'Well, it didn't say 'positively!''

You are correct, sir. When M claimed to be 'Load of the Universe,' he did not say 'positively.' (If only because he couldn't pronounce it.) In truth he didn't say 'I am Lord of the Universe.' He simply directed that a sign to that effect be draped unpretentiously over his modest THRONE. Lots of blanks there to fill in.

So, what else is new in premiedom?

MM
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:19:39 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Magnificent Martian
Subject: My Brother is not the LOTU!
Message:
When M claimed to be 'Load of the Universe,' he did not say 'positively.'

So let's come at it from the other direction. What makes you say he's not? I mean, you must be using some criteria for Lord of the Universe to weigh him against. And then, if you have some criteria, it implies you would know a Lord of the Universe if you bumped into one. Now if you DID know what a Lord of the Universe looked like, would this be because you have a direct knowledge of him? or your mommy told you so? or you were born enlightened? or how? You see, my bet is all you've got to weigh this possibility is a bunch of ideas. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he is or you should blindly believe he is... I'm just asking how you know he's not. Okay, time to get that old party line out one more time... and a two... and a three...
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 01:50:56 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Nil, maybe you are the LOTU!
Message:
It could be anyone, Nil. Just because someone says (s)he is something doesn't necessarily make it so.

The odds of finding MJ and K are about as likely as winning a lottery at the current growth rate. I thought he was here for everyone?
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 02:13:41 (EDT)
From: Puzzeled
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Nil: Who is he then?
Message:
you said:Based on what I've experienced so far, Maharaji has never lied to ME about who he is.

So are you saying he IS The Lord?
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 02:18:41 (EDT)
From: Puzzeled
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: My Brother is not the LOTU!
Message:
You say:Based on what I've experienced so far, Maharaji has never lied to ME about who he is.

So please tell me who he is, according to your own experience.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 02:19:29 (EDT)
From: Puzzeled
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: My Brother is not the LOTU!
Message:
you said:Based on what I've experienced so far, Maharaji has never lied to ME about who he is.

So who is he then?
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 13:34:46 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Puzzeled
Subject: My Brother is not the LOTU!
Message:
So who is he then?

He is my Master.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 16:00:23 (EDT)
From: Puzzeled
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: My Brother is not the LOTU!
Message:
According to prempal 'Master' describes a function, i.e. what he does,it does not say who he is.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 23:24:28 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: What does Master mean???
Message:
Tell me.

John.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 19:28:07 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: How can god be hurt?
Message:
Nil: Your arguement works with 'ordinary' people, but what about Mr. Open-door-policy-Lord-of-the-friggin-universe????? Are you telling me that he has enough ego to have his feelings hurt by us?

He's beginning to sound like a very limited human without much compassion, to me.......
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 19:43:36 (EDT)
From: Gealous Gerry
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: How can god be hurt?
Message:
Hey Mike, you know what pisses me off? This frigging little pimp can yank in QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS for a one hour pay-for-view! I mean, is that a great gig or what!!!! Shit, I'd bust my ass just like Miragey at least one hour a month for my quarter mil. I might even suck it up and do two one hour broadcasts. Then I could sell videos of it all over the world, and live performance tickets to a small audience for say, $250 per seat (limit 300 people) (patent pending) and trinkets, and mugs and keychains and tee shirts and audio tapes and.......
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:19:50 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: How can god be hurt?
Message:
Mike... what about those whales I suggested? If I may, you are somebody who desperately needs to have nice discrete boxes within which to put everything in the 'known' universe. The box you have 'God' stuffed into is to my mind what you should be stuffing your computer into. Now, if you were to believe that there was this guy named Jesus, you would have an example of someone who was very much a human... you may recall he did scream from the cross, 'Father why have you forsaken me'. Nonetheless he is revered by some as a bonafide go-between for the Almighty. How do you 'splain that?

BTW an 'I-have-an-open-door policy' isn't the same as an 'I-am-a-door-mat policy'.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 22:44:24 (EDT)
From: Middle Man
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: How can god be hurt?
Message:
Nonetheless he is revered by some as a bonafide go-between for the Almighty. How do you 'splain that?

They're mistaken. God doesn't need a middle man. Never did. If he wants you to know him, he'll visit soon enough. In person.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 11:36:53 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: How can god be hurt?
Message:
Nil: The whales are fine...... there are MANY good people looking out for their welfare. Not to worry......

In Jesus' case, I think those same few people you mentioned would disagree with you mightily. According to most doctrine, he was god in human form. But, more importantly, if the bible is true he was a TRUE HUMANITARIAN. He didn't 'run' from trouble spots, he entered them willingly. He didn't hide his 'millions,' he didn't have any millions. He didn't live off the backs off his people, he made them loaves and fishes out of nothing (you know...he fed all the people, like M said he would but never did!). Additonally, he NEVER refused to see even his detractors. He might have had some words for them, but they were always welcome to his 'sermons.'

See? Huge difference between the two. How's that for a little 'box?'
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 19:50:21 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: How can god be hurt?
Message:
But, more importantly, if the bible is true...

The bible was written many generations after Jesus died... it's veracity is suspect.

He didn't 'run' from trouble spots, he entered them willingly.

Yeah, and look what they did to him. Maybe with better security and a little monitary padding he could avoided a crucifixion.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 22:11:13 (EDT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Jesus Christ, Nil!!
Message:
It's pretty funny how you question the historical accuracy of the Bible and yet dance around the issue of whether M said he was the LOTU. Unlike Jesus' disciples, who cannot speak now, WE WERE THERE!! WE heard M say these things. To belittle us because you feel we don't have the 'proper understanding' of what M is/was all about is ridiculous. WE WERE THERE. WE HEARD HIM WITH OUR OWN EARS, SAW HIM WITH OUR OWN EYES, KISSED HIS SOCKS WITH OUR OWN LIPS. There doesn't have to be a 'Maharaji Seminar' the way there is a 'Jesus seminar' in which scholars discuss & debate the versimillitude of the stories in the Bible.
WE WERE THERE, NIL!!!!
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 00:37:22 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Jesus Christ, Nil!!
Message:
You are right! We were there!
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 13:20:22 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Yes Helen?
Message:
WE WERE THERE, NIL!!!!

Yeah, yeah, yeah... I was there for chemistry class but still flunked.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 10:07:01 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: How can god be hurt?
Message:
Nil: YOU were the one that brought up the subject of Jesus. All we know about this guy is what is written in the bible....PERIOD! There are no other records of his passing thru. SO......all you can do is interpret what we have in writing. Nowhere do I read about behaviors even remotely similar to M's proclivities.

The historical accuracy of the bible isn't even in question here, if you are going to speak of people that it speaks to, then you have to use the ONLY source of info on the subject. If you are going to talk about M, then WE are the source of that info because WE WERE THERE (first hand info)!
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 11:49:26 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: How can god be hurt?
Message:
'The bible was written many generations after Jesus died... it's veracity is suspect.'

Actually, the earliest Gospel, attributed to Mark, was written around 70 CE. If Jesus was crucified around 29 CE, that would hardly be several generations. The epistles attributed to Paul were written even earlier, around 50 CE. As for their veracity, this subject has more to do with the theological point the authors were trying to make and the beliefs of the communities for whom they were written. The Hebrew scriptures and the Apocrypha were both written BEFORE Jesus was born, so your statement is inaccurate.

As for M and his hijinks, we were there, we are witnessess, and this forum has several people who were behind the scenes and were witnessess, too.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 12:53:28 (EDT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: It's all our fault
Message:
Thanks Father M! I knew I could count on you to have some facts at hand when it comes to church history!

I really get my knickers in a twist when some premies says it's our fault if we bought the Lord stuff from M, and that if only we'd 'gone inside more' we'd all have the proper understanding. That is crazy making, adsurd, incoherent, & ultimately dangerous thinking to me. It assumes that all other contexts 'out there' in the world should be ignored and that everything that is 'real' resides within.

So the whole CONTEXT--thrones, crowns, heavy duty initiators with a fundamentalist message, devotional songs, and M himself and his STATEMENTS that he was the LORD & his promises-- mean nothing. It implies that only those with a higher level of spiritual understanding due to meditating have the real deal on Maharaji, who he really is, beyond all the hype. All I can say is M has a really good deal in having loyal premies who will ignore and deny the CONTEXT and attribute whatever beauty they see within to him. How sweet it is for him financially to have that kind of hold on people.

But to me, how yucky for the devotee to be awaiting the Master that way with so little affirmation from outside, worshipping what externally is absurd to others, and becoming more and more inward focussed. I guess i've gotten a lot more concrete over the years & I hold suspect anyone who tries to tell me what I'm seeing isn't real or that it's my own fault if I'm hurt when someone behaves very badly towards me!
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 18:44:34 (EDT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Great post Helen --
Message:
Very well said and very true.

By the way. Do you ever listen to Ira Glass and his show 'This American Life' that is on NPR on Saturday afternoons? The guy is brilliant and the shows are always great.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 22:59:50 (EDT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Hey JW
Message:
Hi JW--Was that the show with a segment on 'Dishwasher Pete' that was on a few weeks ago? Dishwasher Pete is a guy who rides greyhounds all over the country and gets jobs washing dishes. I enjoy NPR stuff a lot.

Thanks for the feedback about my post. Reading this stuff from Nil implying that it's my fault if I didn't 'get it' about Maharaji makes me realize just how OVER it all I am. I am so OVER trying to be the perfect devotee and blaming myself that I couldn't cut it. I had another guru prior to Maharaji and I was quite self-blaming for a long time about how I dropped the whole thing--the whole 'self-realization' by -guru-surrender- trip.

Even when I started posting here in October I still had residual angst feelings if a premie insinuated that I was 'in my mind' or whatever. Now I don't care. I am here on the ex-premie site to declare my independence from the tyranny of Maharaji and his whole fucked up trip and I'm proud to say it!! And I don't buy the guilt thing anymore.

Austin Powers was a hoot --just came home from it.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 23:26:31 (EDT)
From: KB
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: How can god be hurt?
Message:
Mickey, if Paul could write letters, and blab so much,
what is to keep those at the time from KEEPING the
letters and making copies then and there?
They valued the comments, what is this idea that they were
written LATER?
Doesnt make sense, it is too complicated and not likely.
The simple human way is to record and save the letters
right then and there.

And what gave anyone the idea that john and luke and
matt and especially mark wrote thier comments years later?
That is really a stretch.

The obvious simple human way is to write it now.
Copies were also written later.

Why people think they were written years later is to me
justoverlooking the simpleway we do things.
If we value it, WE write it.
Sure, lots of examples are there in history and especially
religion where revisionism and fantasy steps right in.
The story of Mark is too much like a diary.
Who assumes these guys couldnt write?
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 00:07:00 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: None
To: KB
Subject: How can god be hurt?
Message:
Bill, Jesus was probably born around 4 BCE and was crucified around 29 CE; Paul's conversion probably occured about 31 CE. He spent several years in the wilderness and being taught by the earliest church teachers before he started his own ministry. His letters started around 50 CE, twenty years after the crucifixion. Yes, the house churches who received his letters kept them and copied them and passed them around to other house churches, that's why we still have them. The gospels were probably written when those who were actual witnesses to the events were dying; that is why they were written down. The first gospel was probably the one attributed to Mark, and Matthew and Luke used Mark's gospel and possibly another source (called Q) for their gospels. The gospel attributed to John was written much later, and that is why it is different from the three synoptic gospels. Each was written for a different community and to make different theological points. Things weren't written down earlier because the earliest Christians believed that Jesus was coming back at any moment, so there was no reason to write things down.
Here ends the talk.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:06:37 (EDT)
From: Brian
Email: katabria@apk.net
To: Nil
Subject: You have your head up His ass
Message:
the question is still why the hell you expect to be welcome. Do you really think your position is tenable after all the bile you've directed Maharaji's way.

The real question is 'why the hell don't you take a real position', Nil. You're defending Maharaji as a poor misunderstood 'Master' who's suffered from Gail's 'bile'. Prempal Rawat is either a simple-minded and vengeful businessman running his own scam on idiots like yourself, or the stupidest Lord imaginable. Either way, you're the sucker, not Gail.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:30:38 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: You have your head up His ass
Message:
The real question is 'why the hell don't you take a real position', Nil. You're defending Maharaji as a poor misunderstood 'Master' who's suffered from Gail's 'bile'. Prempal Rawat is either a simple-minded and vengeful businessman running his own scam on idiots like yourself, or the stupidest Lord imaginable. Either way, you're the sucker, not Gail.

I'm not defending anybody. I'm pointing out how the rules of common coutesy should apply to all our interactions, including his extending a welcome to an event. (Argue about it's value if you want, but if it didn't have any for Gail, she wouldn't be upset.) And just because Maharaji has offered something in the past, that doesn't mean you shit upon it and abuse it, and then expect him to give it to you so you can do it again. If this is the way you conduct yourself in YOUR interactions with others Brian... well, your the sucker.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:58:48 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: I don't miss Maharaji, but I
Message:
do miss:

1. A sense of purpose--the world needs MJ and K
2. A sense of importance--being one of the chosen ones
3. A sense of community, family, belongingness
4. Close friendships
5. Getting the collective high
7. Lord of the Universe--it's quite the trip if you believe it
8. God--having an invisible spirit to talk to
9. Imagining that the supreme power was looking out for me
10. Having a blocking mechanism so I don't have to look at the tricky parts
11. Pretending that the void and longing (which MJ created) would be eradicated 'someday'
12. Having a simple answer for everything--in MJ's world it all makes sense so simply
13. Travelling
14. Knowing that no matter how bad things get in the world, you are superior to all those idiots you meet--they are the walking dead--I have the Knowledge of all Knowledges
15. The last 25 years (I wouldn't exactly call this year living high on the hog either--lots of unravelling)

However, it's time to grow up now. Fairy tales are for kids.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:08:36 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: I don't miss Maharaji, but I
Message:
Gail, what can I say... good luck. Your sincerity is a strength you have. It goes along way towards better understanding yourself... but you know all that, right?
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:50:03 (EDT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: I know how you can get in
Message:
email me if you mean it.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 12:52:42 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: I know how you can get in
Message:
Hi Rob:

I will e-mail you when I get home. I'm waiting for my principal to give me the day off.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 07:09:39 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: So, Rob, how do I get in?
Message:
I have e-mailed you three times, and the program is in three days. If you don't feel it is possible for me to attend, please say so. I'm not gnashing my teeth yet!
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 23:28:47 (EDT)
From: A disgusted observer
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Nil..Come alive
Message:
Nil said:'I'm pointing out how the rules of common coutesy should apply to all our interactions,.....'

Oh yes, you mean like when person(s) dedicate their lives to to someone after being told that's what they have to do...and then get totally robbed, dumped and deserted.

That is your Lord and master Nil.....and you are the typical apologist.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:06:12 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: A disgusted observer
Subject: That makes two of us
Message:
Oh yes, you mean like when person(s) dedicate their lives to to someone after being told that's what they have to do...and then get totally robbed, dumped and deserted.

First of all, if you did something just because you were 'told that's what [you] have to do', you really WERE a zombie... which explains why you would think the rest of us are. Second, let's get something clear... you dumped him. He is still there for you if you want his help... which you don't.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 02:36:20 (EDT)
From: A disgusted observer
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Nil:There is no justification
Message:
What do you call being thrown out into the street
without a cent after years of service to him?
If you can't see that is being dumped, you way gone
into zombie-land.

He is clearly NOT there for me or he would have answered
my friend's letters written over a period of more than 10 years.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 03:02:55 (EDT)
From: A disgusted observer
Email: None
To: A disgusted observer
Subject: Correction....above should rea
Message:
What do you call being thrown out into the street
without a cent after years of service to him?
If you can't see that is being dumped, you way gone
into zombie-land.
He is clearly NOT there for me or he would have answered mine and my friend's letters written over a period of more than 10 years.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 13:32:51 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: A disgusted observer
Subject: Nil:There is no justification
Message:
What do you call being thrown out into the street without a cent after years of service to him?

No, you dumped him because your conditions were'nt met. There were good reasons for shutting down the ashrams. In case you forgot, this whole thing is about personal growth. You sound like somebody who wanted a rest home to retire in... others needed to grow.

Ah forget it... how can you tell somebody what they've gained when all they're willing to see is what they've lost.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 16:03:23 (EDT)
From: A disgusted observer
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Nil:There is no justification
Message:
I bet you're one of those people
who walk on by when a woman is being raped in
the street.

I didn't realize how sick you really are.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 19:27:50 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: A disgusted observer
Subject: Nil:There is no justification
Message:
Fuck you asshole with your stupid cheap shots. You don't know what kind of person I am and your in no position to judge anybody.
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Date: Sat, Jun 12, 1999 at 03:43:28 (EDT)
From: A disgusted observer
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Nil:There is no justification
Message:
Aaah Nil, I know you well.
Hopefully you'll soon be through this phase of not admitting that you've been had. The pain will pass and you'll know true freedom.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 16:10:21 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Nil:There is no justification
Message:
There were good reasons for shutting down the ashrams. In case you forgot, this whole thing is about personal growth. You sound like somebody who wanted a rest home to retire in... others needed to grow.

Why did M encourage people to move into the ashrams to begin with if he was only going to shut them down so we could 'grow'? That doesn't make much sense, now does it?
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 19:32:18 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Nil:There is no justification
Message:
Why did M encourage people to move into the ashrams to begin with if he was only going to shut them down so we could 'grow'? That doesn't make much sense, now does it?

Why did your mother buy all those diapers when you were only going to outgrow them? Doesn't make much sense, now does it?
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 20:22:46 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Nil:There is no justification
Message:
Why did your mother buy all those diapers when you were only going to outgrow them? Doesn't make much sense, now does it?

No, it makes sense. What was her alternative, to buy me men's underwear and wait until I grew into them? That's what wouldn't make sense.

Nil, if you want to be M's puppet on a string, fine. If you think that's how it should be, that M should just have carte blanche on how you should live your life, you're free to do that. But I find that sad and frightening. The Heaven's Gaters and Jim Jones disciples gave their masters carte blanche, too. You see what it got them.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 12:25:10 (EDT)
From: message from Nil's ass
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: That makes two of us
Message:
It's time to leave the confines and darkness of my domain and
venture forth into the real world my son........
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 16:06:11 (EDT)
From: A disgusted observer
Email: None
To: message from Nil's ass
Subject: That makes two of us
Message:
Nil is unable to face the real world.
A good example of m's work for lurkers to see
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 23:33:41 (EDT)
From: Magnificent Martian
Email: None
To: Nils
Subject: Pretend you have a conscience
Message:
Nils:

Let's pretend you have a brother that professes compassion, whose boat you borrow regularily, blah blah blah....

Let's paint a different picture. Let's pretend you have a teacher who is a crook, a liar, and a philanderer, not to mention a lousy teacher.

Get the point?
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 20:08:50 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Magnificent Martian
Subject: Pretend you have a conscience
Message:
Let's paint a different picture. Let's pretend you have a teacher who is a crook, a liar, and a philanderer, not to mention a lousy teacher. Get the point?

Yeah I get it... if you keep repeating your party line like a programmed nim-wit, you don't have to ever answer intelligently to another person's point of view.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 02:39:40 (EDT)
From: A disgusted observer
Email: None
To: Magnificent Martian
Subject: Nil's reasoning is disabled
Message:
Nil demonstrates typical premie behavour. It is
the same consciousness as the holocaust deniers.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 20:55:45 (EDT)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
Gail- What they are forgetting is that you are not in a cult anymore. You are more in control of your life and actions and as such are more responsible than 90% of the practicing premies. Thus you can be taken at your word (not to intentionally disrupt the program).

The powers that be are used to dealing with generally confused, immature, irresponsible, parrot heads. They have little experience with anything else and they are terrified of you. If you play this right and really want to go to the program you could have some fun with them. Show em what it's like to be a grown up ex-premie. The sincerity line is for the birds. Curiousity and interest is all you need and you have that if not for their reasons. Rooting for you, Zac.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:02:19 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Zac
Subject: Gail, wld you please....
Message:
give me their phone numbers? Legere and Duhaney. I want to discuss with them the conditions under which I may allow them to come to an X-Flies gig.

No, really, if you've got their numbers, please let me know.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:07:25 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Gail, wld you please....
Message:
Webmaster's Note: There was a data corruption that has affected this message.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:16:38 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: Not quite
Message:
Gail,

I just tried. I was able to leave a message for Duhaney but Legere's number wasn't good. Are you sure that's it? I wnat to find out about my own prohibition.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:37:59 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Not quite
Message:
George Legere may have changed his number. I called there asking for a refund a few months ago. It used to be his home number. Then it became his secondary number. Je ne sais pas.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:16:44 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: This is sloppy Gail...
Message:
Try to respect the fact that a telephone number is private information, and publishing it on the world wide web without the consent of the principles involved goes against the norms of common courtesy. How would you feel? Say Jim, couldn't she be held liable?
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:24:53 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: This is bullshit Nil ...
Message:
Nil,

These guys are quasi-public figures in our quasi-public cult/ex-cult world. By the way, do you want Maharaji's number?
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:38:15 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Maharaji's a wimp
Message:
Can you imagine the Biblical Jesus, doing the old Sermon on the Mount gig, and a load of security vetting people to see if they were sincere or not. Maharaji is a joke. He can't stand the possibility of a bit of critisism and yet he claims to have the truth. Truth my arse!

Now I'm not into masters and find the whole notion of them repugnant but thus said; Maharaji might like to take a look at his Father's life and words, for old Shri Hans used to embrace his critics. He knew what side his bread was buttered; how many beans make five etc.

You know, I find Maharaji's whole scheme now, totally objectionable and so alien to my PRINCIPLES. You see, I still have them, thank God.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:49:43 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: This is sloppy Gail...Naaaw!
Message:
Dear Nil:

Under normal circumstances, I would have to agree with you. For example, you have never given me cause for grief. I would have no reason to divulge your number. I have known Michael for a long time. I trusted him enough to lend him $2 800 to go to Amaroo two years ago. He recently paid the bill off except for $2 and change . He hasn't returned my credit card either.

The point is: last year he came up to tell me that I was barred from the satellite program. If the roles had been reversed, I would have refused. It would have been better for a stranger, don't you think?

Then, he called me frantically for two weeks. He finally reached me to let me know I was banned from further EV events until I went to a meeting. (I was not calling him to go. He put the bug in my ear.) I called him last night to indicate my willingness to attend a meeting. This morning's conversation is at the top of this thread. He is a jerk. Once again, if I got a call like that, I would decline and suggest that the person on the other end of the line do the dirty work.

George sits in Montreal and scoops up the money from Canada. I believe he has a full-time job with EV. One year, I sent him over $ 3 200 for videos alone (community property now). Believe me, he was only too happy for me to have his number before.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:58:34 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: This is sloppy Gail...Naaaw!
Message:
It makes the notion of Maharaji being God, come with more power than ever before to stop the child crawling into the fire etc. ; it makes that whole thing look utterly absurd and ridiculous.
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 22:10:21 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: This is sloppy Gail...Naaaw!
Message:
Ya, MJ is some father alright. I really liked your post about the sincerity detector. What do the security do if Maharaji accidentally walks past it? I have have many flaws. Lack of sincerity is not one of them.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 12:17:47 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: This is sloppy Gail...
Message:
Nil: Phone numbers are PUBLISHED in a thing called a phonebook. Anyone that knows a name and a city can find a phone number. By the way, while you weren't looking, about 100 companies now publish ALL know phone numbers on CD for easy searching.

Now, if the numbers are unpublished, that's different..... Harder to find, but not impossible.....witness telemarketers that know your name and phone number (even though unlisted).
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Date: Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 21:15:57 (EDT)
From: 411
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Gail, wld you please....
Message:
Please deposit 35 cents, sir.

Canada 411
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:31:29 (EDT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
Gail,

If you do get in somehow, look for a big ugly guy in a kilt.

I'll buy you dinner.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:38:20 (EDT)
From: CD
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: hush up under that kilt
Message:
Maybe she can hide under your kilt on the way in.

CD
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:42:16 (EDT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: hush up under that kilt
Message:
There's nae much room, but I'll give it a go.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:46:03 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: hush up under that kilt
Message:
Hi CD,

Would ye then nickname Rob the 'Trojan Horse'?

;-) Mare
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 00:43:43 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: I can't go to Montreal-waah!
Message:
Oh no Rob,

I recall Gail's last name starting with Mac and of course you're scottish, so we need the history of both your clans.

If ye be of clashin clans then M must pay the pipers to signal the beginin of the clash!

Mary aka Insomnia Momma Tonight
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 01:05:04 (EDT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Mary M
Subject: You asked for it
Message:
The Andersons were renowned for their fighting qualities and were part of the Confederation of Highland clans, the Clan Chattan.

The clan name comes from its first chief, Gillichattan Mor, meaning the great servant of St. Catan, whose abbey was situated at Kilchattan on the island of Bute in the Firth of Clyde. The clan Chattan is a confederation of tribes. Through it, small clans gained stength by joining forces to avoid being overwhelmed by more powerful neighbours, such as the MacDonalds of the Isles.
In 1291, Eva, daughter of Gilpatric of Clan Chattan married Angus MacKintosh, 6th Chief of the Clan MacKintosh, thereby unifying the chiefly line of the Clan Chattan and Clan MacKintosh for many centuries.

In the late 13th century the Camerons occupied some Clan Chattan land around Arkaig thereby starting a bitter feud between Clan Chattan and the Camerons that would last until 1666. In 1370, a group of Camerons, returning from a raid into Badenoch, were met by a force of MacKintoshes, MacPhersons and Davidsons. Although the Camerons were defeated the battle led to a long standing feud between the MacPhersons and the Davidsons over a disagreement on who should lead in the battle.

During the 1715 and 1745 uprisings the Clan Chattan largely fought on the Jacobite side and suffered because of this. During the '45, the chief of the MacKintoshs was an officer in the Black Watch. This, however, did not stop his wife (a Farquharson), from raising the Clan Chattan confederation in his absence. She selected the MacGillivray of Dunmaglas as commander and he led the Clans of Clan Chattan to victory in the Battle of Falkirk in 1746. The Clan Chattan also led the Highland charge that was utterly destroed at the Battle of Culloden.

Until this century, the chief of the MacKintoshes was also head of clan Chattan. However, when the 28th MacKintosh chief, who was also the 29th Chattan chief, died in 1938 without a male heir, the two chiefships finally became separated. In 1947, the Lord Lyon ruled in favour of another branch of the MacKintoshes, those of Daviot, Inverness-shire, who were recognised as heads of Clan Chattan. The present chief, Malcolm Kenneth MacKintosh, lives in Zimbabwe.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 01:33:05 (EDT)
From: Curly
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Great post Rob! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 01:37:05 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: You asked for it
Message:
Oh my gosh, Robert.

Wonderful post but we must now trace Gail's clan.

Do you think the bagpipers should go too.

Mare
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 02:07:30 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: that's about enuff, Mc Rob!
Message:
Yes, Rob, I'm still watching you and I gotta say that I think I've seen enuff to put you and your clan away forever. Just let me round up my posse first.

So, there you are telling us that you have a family history of violence dating back for centuries. And you want to have grown women under your skirt? Does this have something to do with lap dancing?

Does Maharaji know about this? Or at least a Catholic Priest?
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Date: Thurs, Jun 10, 1999 at 08:12:56 (EDT)
From: MacLeod
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: You asked for it
Message:
There can only be one.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 01:52:09 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: MacLeod
Subject: You asked for it
Message:
It's always like that in fairy tales.
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Date: Fri, Jun 11, 1999 at 21:34:34 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: You asked for it
Message:
Amazing.

(You didn't get that from the label on a bottle of Malt did you?)

Anth the Dahlwhinnie
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