Forum IV: The Ex-Premie Forum
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JHS Gabriel -:- Thanks ! BUT MORE REPLIES WANTED ! -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 07:03:53 (EDT)
__ barney -:- Re: Thanks ! BUT MORE REPTILES WANTED ! - YIKES! You is strange! (nt) -:- Sat, Aug 28, 1999 at 02:39:35 (EDT)
__ __ JHS Gabriel -:- No NOT 'strange' (JUST Human-Normal-Natural : a SIMPLE Human Been ! -:- Sat, Aug 28, 1999 at 08:20:02 (EDT)
__ Sir Dave -:- One I know about -:- Sat, Aug 28, 1999 at 00:21:14 (EDT)
__ NCL Lucifer -:- Is the NEED really that great... -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 20:42:17 (EDT)
__ __ JHS Gabriell -:- Re: Is the NEED really that great... -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 07:11:18 (EDT)
__ __ AJW -:- Maybe... -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 05:05:47 (EDT)
__ __ __ JHS Gabriel -:- Re: Maybe... -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 07:16:41 (EDT)

Jean-Michel -:- New club for all! -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 05:34:46 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- Sacre Blue, -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 04:39:03 (EDT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- How to join the club -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 06:11:47 (EDT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Re: How to join the club -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 17:31:50 (EDT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Re: New club for all! -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 20:42:14 (EDT)
__ ham -:- Re: New club for all! -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 17:52:05 (EDT)
__ __ Runamok -:- Re: New club for all! -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 22:16:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Re: New club for all! -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 03:09:48 (EDT)

Jean-Michel -:- Maharaji's a TM -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 10:06:27 (EDT)
__ Robyn -:- My dream -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 18:56:58 (EDT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- See you in the Light -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 03:35:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Instructor Tale -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 03:52:55 (EDT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Toilet realisation -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 14:15:19 (EDT)
__ __ Mickey Moss -:- Re: Toilet realisation -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 15:58:16 (EDT)

Jim -:- Mag, honey, it WAS a dream -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 08:14:54 (EDT)

JHS Gabriel -:- Anyone From UK 1970/early 71 ? -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 07:10:04 (EDT)
__ JHS Gabriel -:- Thanks ! BUT MORE REPLIES WANTED !' -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 07:17:31 (EDT)
__ Bobby -:- Re: Anyone From UK 1970/early 71 ? -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 22:32:43 (EDT)
__ __ JHS Gabriel -:- Bobby -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 06:14:33 (EDT)
__ __ JHS Gabriel -:- Re: Anyone From UK 1970/early 71 ? -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 05:54:03 (EDT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Re: Anyone From UK 1970/early 71 ? -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 19:51:37 (EDT)
__ Diz -:- Re: Anyone From UK 1970/early 71 ? -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 19:42:46 (EDT)
__ __ JHS Gabriel -:- Diz -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 06:18:40 (EDT)
__ __ Liz -:- Re: Anyone From UK 1970/early 71 ? -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 00:02:25 (EDT)

Powerman -:- Embarrassed -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 20:10:00 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- Re: Embarrassed -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 05:19:05 (EDT)
__ Mickey Moss -:- Re: Embarrassed -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 00:11:18 (EDT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Re: Embarrassed -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 20:50:20 (EDT)
__ Robyn -:- Re: Embarrassed -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 20:44:37 (EDT)
__ Hihomumio -:- Re: Embarrassed -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 20:20:23 (EDT)
__ __ Barbara Seville -:- Re: Embarrassed -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 20:43:52 (EDT)
__ __ __ An Occassional Observer -:- Re: Embarrassed -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 05:32:29 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Re: Embarrassed -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 08:14:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Stupid, stupid premies -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 00:39:12 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Re: Stupid, stupid premies -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 09:04:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Good question -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 09:40:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ Hihomumio -:- By the way...... -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:43:43 (EDT)
__ __ __ Hihomumio -:- Thanks, Barbara! -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 21:25:04 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Q (the real one) -:- Redeeming Qualities -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 15:18:42 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Hihomumio -:- Re: Redeeming Qualities -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 21:54:07 (EDT)
__ An Occassional Observer -:- Re: Embarrassed -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 20:13:43 (EDT)
__ __ Runamok -:- Re: Embarrassed -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:22:40 (EDT)
__ __ __ Gregg -:- The Sacred Four Techniques -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:37:36 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Runamok -:- Re: The Sacred Four Techniques -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 03:21:35 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Q -:- Re: The Sacred Four Techniques -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 15:21:47 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Mickey Moss -:- Re: The Sacred Four Techniques -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 00:29:34 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ dv -:- Re: The Sacred Four Techniques -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 21:02:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Wrong, Run, wrong -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 11:43:14 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Powerman -:- Re: Wrong, Run, wrong -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 15:49:01 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Re: Wrong, Run, wrong -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 16:00:19 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Q -:- I can't believe having to admit you're not entirely worthless, g. (nt) -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 15:49:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Re: I can't believe having to admit you're not entirely worthless, g. (nt) -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 21:02:14 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Q -:- the exoneration begins (slowly) (whose?) -:- Tues, Aug 31, 1999 at 14:57:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Powerman -:- Re: Wrong, Run, wrong -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 16:12:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gerry -:- Re: Wrong, Run, wrong -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 16:26:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Powerman -:- Re: Wrong, Run, wrong -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 17:47:18 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gerry -:- Re: Wrong, Run, wrong -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 18:22:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- Rights, Jim, rights -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 13:06:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Okay, now that you've got that out of your system.... -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 19:15:06 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ JHB -:- Re: Rights, Jim, rights -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 15:24:40 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Re: Rights, Jim, rights -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 09:18:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Hi Gregg! OT -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:44:37 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Hihomumio -:- Re: Hi Marianne -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:48:08 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Re: Hi Marianne -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:51:31 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ g-mom -:- Chin up! -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 11:38:09 (EDT)

Mickey the Pharisee -:- Greetings from Costa Rica -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 14:45:25 (EDT)
__ gerry -:- Re: Greetings from Costa Rica -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 23:23:09 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- Hi Mickey -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:40:12 (EDT)
__ __ Mickey the Pharisee -:- Re: Hi Mickey -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 14:22:30 (EDT)
__ __ __ g's mom -:- Hola Miguelito -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 22:27:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Cyper hi? -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 11:08:35 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ VP -:- Do exorcisms? -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 14:20:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: Do exorcisms? -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 21:25:30 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ bill -:- M the P! -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 13:22:47 (EDT)

g's mom -:- trusting people on the internet -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 12:42:21 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- Hey, Gmom, I hear you -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:23:37 (EDT)
__ __ AJW -:- Jim, you're lying. -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 05:23:00 (EDT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Too funny! -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 08:11:38 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- Marmite v Maple Syrup -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 05:36:54 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Ignoramus -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 21:36:36 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Don't forget the films -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 04:02:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Only all the time -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 11:07:19 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: Marmite v Maple Syrup -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 19:07:05 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Re: Marmite v Maple Syrup -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 18:24:35 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: Marmite v Maple Syrup -:- Sat, Aug 28, 1999 at 07:48:27 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Liz -:- Re: Marmite v Maple Syrup -:- Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 17:55:47 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Vagimite? Never tried it. -:- Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 11:20:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Liz -:- Jello v Jelly -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 23:18:24 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: Jello v Jelly -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 19:12:15 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Liz -:- Re: Jello v Jelly (OT) -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 01:24:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: Jello v Jelly (OT) -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 16:01:31 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Jelly Clothes -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 05:45:24 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: Jelly Clothes -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 19:14:16 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Know It All -:- Re: Jelly Clothes -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 20:22:22 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Re: Jelly Clothes -:- Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 04:14:54 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- You say tomato and I say tomato -:- Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 01:01:22 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ ham -:- duh -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 15:40:36 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Oh no, not this again! -:- Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 21:08:26 (EDT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Remember the old peace and love? -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:04:19 (EDT)
__ __ Marianne -:- Great photo, Sir D! -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:49:15 (EDT)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: Great photo, Sir D! -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 09:22:37 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ g-mom -:- Re: Great photo, Sir D! -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 11:09:00 (EDT)
__ Runamok -:- Re: trusting people on the internet -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 18:29:48 (EDT)
__ VP -:- trusting people on the internet -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 13:21:29 (EDT)
__ __ Marianne -:- Re: trusting people on the internet -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 15:21:30 (EDT)
__ __ __ VP -:- Chin up -:- Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 09:07:43 (EDT)

Gerry -:- A bit o' housecleaning... -:- Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 12:03:38 (EDT)


Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 07:03:53 (EDT)
From: JHS Gabriel
Email: jhs_gabriel@writeme.com
To: All
Subject: Thanks ! BUT MORE REPLIES WANTED !
Message:
Hi,
I still need news...on the VERY early months of 1970 at London/West Kensington basement flat. At that time we were only 3, 4 or 5 sleeping there (including the 2 Mahatamas). Anyone have news about Georg (who was one who slept there I think he had ginger hair), Sandy (??? well I can't really remember her name but she is well know as she used to cook...at Maharadji place later on. She also was sleeping there sometimes !), and the FIRST French who did received the Knowledge (a GIRL), and Amanda Knight (please Amanda I like to have news from you !)... so anyone (or them of course AND OTHERS please let me know. THANKS ! THANKS !. Just in case someone remember me at that time I used my first first name Jean-Claude wich the Indian Mahatma did pronounced something like 'Jong Kong'. I did sleep there in the early 1970 for 2 and half month and did came back for 2/3 just after the Isle of Wight festival (still sleeping there).
I REALLY REALLY hope to get news...
Lots of Love to ALL
Gabriel
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Date: Sat, Aug 28, 1999 at 02:39:35 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: JHS Gabriel
Subject: Re: Thanks ! BUT MORE REPTILES WANTED ! - YIKES! You is strange! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Aug 28, 1999 at 08:20:02 (EDT)
From: JHS Gabriel
Email: jhs_gabriel@writeme.com
To: barney
Subject: No NOT 'strange' (JUST Human-Normal-Natural : a SIMPLE Human Been !
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Aug 28, 1999 at 00:21:14 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: david@xyzx.freeserve.co.uk
To: JHS Gabriel
Subject: One I know about
Message:
The girl Sandy was Sandy Collier. She's still a devotee of Maharaji, in England, the last I heard of her which was about two years ago.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 20:42:17 (EDT)
From: NCL Lucifer
Email: None
To: JHS Gabriel
Subject: Is the NEED really that great...
Message:
- twenty-nine years later - that you have to do it here?
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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 07:11:18 (EDT)
From: JHS Gabriell
Email: jhs_gabriel@writeme.com
To: NCL Lucifer
Subject: Re: Is the NEED really that great...
Message:
It's NOT a need REALLY, I just would like to know to what's happened to anyone from these days (specially to the ones I remember), the way they see things NOW..., to find out to what's happened in the months...after I left...
At the moment I don't know any other places ! THANKS THE NET
29 years, well 'each thing at it's time'
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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 05:05:47 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: NCL Lucifer
Subject: Maybe...
Message:
Hi Lucy,

Maybe they owe Gabriel lots of dosh and it's time to collect.

Maybe Gabriel had a child by one of them and it's time to introduce the grandchildren.

Maybe it's a matter of love.

Maybe Gabriel hasn't long for this earth, and desperately needs to tie up a matter of great importance.

Maybe the old picture that one of them gave Gabriel turns out to be worth twenty million Euros, and Gabe's decided to give all old pals a million each.

Maybe Gabriel had a dream and God told Gabe to pass an important message on.

Maybe the band's getting back together.

Maybe Anth Wrote This.

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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 07:16:41 (EDT)
From: JHS Gabriel
Email: jhs_gabriel@writeme.com
To: AJW
Subject: Re: Maybe...
Message:
I like your 'maybes' BUT IT'S ONLY A NATURAL each moment doing (I just wrote !)
Gabriel
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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 05:34:46 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: All
Subject: New club for all!
Message:
I'm in the process of creating a new club & forum in the Yahoo! environment....

ELAN VITAL MEDITATION: Discuss Maharaji's (Prempal Rawat) teaching.

I'll try to keep it focussed on meditation and the Indian side.

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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 04:39:03 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: anthginn@yahoo.com
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Sacre Blue,
Message:
Bonjour Jean-Michel,

I was just over at the new club, and tried to post a suggestion about the photo on the club screen. I received a message saying I had to be a member, before I could post, but I couldn't find out how to join.

Je ne comprend pas.

Anyway, I was going to suggest a Mickey Mouse in Krishna crown.

Anth the Kicked out the Club before I joined.

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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 06:11:47 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: How to join the club
Message:
There is a link on the home page

'Join this Club'

top right of the messages/posts window.

Yahoo will ask you a few things!

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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 17:31:50 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: anthginn@yahoo.com
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Re: How to join the club
Message:
Merci beaucoup Jean-Michel.

E-mail moi s.v.p.

Anth sur vacances.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 20:42:14 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Re: New club for all!
Message:
That's a good idea. I just tried joining the club but I think it's not ready yet?
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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 17:52:05 (EDT)
From: ham
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Re: New club for all!
Message:
J-M, would be interested in discussion of the meditation techniques, effects of meditation in general, but any chance of getting rid of the obnoxious ones photo?

I would be REALLY happy to never see his ugly mug ever again, seeing him makes me feel physically sick

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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 22:16:11 (EDT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: ham
Subject: Re: New club for all!
Message:
I second that motion.
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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 03:09:48 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Re: New club for all!
Message:
Why don't we discuss this over there?
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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 10:06:27 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Maharaji's a TM
Message:
Look at what now appears on Alta Vista ....

MaharajiRN : The RealNames link takes you directly to Maharaji.

When you search 'maharaji'.

In spite of this, ex-premies websites are still on the first row....

I guess he's going to try having it for the 'real' guru, 'Lord of the Universe', and you don't know what!

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 18:56:58 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: My dream
Message:
Dear JM,
Hey you were in my dream this morning. I woke up to the alarm and was dreaming. I was at a pool and it was kind of shut down like summer was winding down like it is here now. I think one of my girls dropped a book and then a sweatshirt in the pool and I had to crawl under these picnic tables to get into the pool to get them. Then I was driving on a little moped thing and was in a European town square. There was a woman sitting on the side on a bench and you walked up to me. I stopped and you didn't speak, you walked on and the woman sitting there said she saw you there often. I said I knew you and that you were from France. She said you moved slow and I wondered if it was because you still meditated. :) Oh, the other thing was when I saw you I said, everyday here at this time I see someone else I know from the site.
That was as close as I've ever come to dreaming about M or K.
Nice meeting you JM. :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 03:35:50 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: See you in the Light
Message:
When I was an instructor, a premie told me once he saw me in the 'light'! I was a bit embarrassed, and thinking he was really a cuckoo.

I'm moving slow these days, because I had a sprain at my right ankle, which is still in a cast for one more day.

You're a good psychic, but your interpretation was wrong!
And I use to talk a bit too much too...

And I also like our 'town squares', which are not that much like in the old movies anymore. Specially in Paris, there are quite some where you can isolate from the streets' noises ...... and meditate (I'm kidding. I'd rather have a tea and read a book or a newspaper!)

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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 03:52:55 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Instructor Tale
Message:
Bonjour Jean-Michel,

J'espere que toute est bien avec toi. Est-ce que tu visiterai notre rendez-vous des Latvians le prochaine semaine. Si tu veux, restas ches nous.

Your initiator in the light story reminded me of something Bruno, the Italian instructor, told me. He'd was leaving town somewhere, sitting in the passenger seat of a car. There were a bunch of premies standing on the pavement saying goodbye. The car wouldn't start, so Bruno raised both arms and made a forward pushing motion, indicating that they should push the car.

The premies on the street immediately dropped to their knees and bowed down before him. They thought he was 'giving them his blessings'.

Anth le Franglais

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 14:15:19 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Toilet realisation
Message:
I've just realised that the green round thing at the entrance to Maharaji's site is a toilet with a diamond encrusted turd at the bottom of it.
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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 15:58:16 (EDT)
From: Mickey Moss
Email: ickymickey@home.com
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: Toilet realisation
Message:
Sir:

I've just realised that the green round thing at the entrance to Maharaji's site is a toilet with a diamond encrusted turd at the bottom of it.

You'll note that this device is designed for entities with perfectly symmetrical butts. I would be surprised if this were not the origin of the term 'Perfect Master.' It must be a lovely thing to behold... er, if you like that sort of thing, I mean. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

-MM

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 08:14:54 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Mag, honey, it WAS a dream
Message:
Maharaji? Santa Claus? The Dance of the Sugar Queen? Master Peace Theatre? Pathetic that grown adults could do this to themselves? Kind of endearing in its infantilism? Not?

Magdeline Pereira
Eureka, Ca, USA

Live satellite event

Today I read the news from the Manchester events. It was beautifully written. Despite my meagre finances I have had a satellite dish set up in my tiny apartment. (Years ago I bought the video Spreading Knowledge; Maharaji talked about wanting to beam down events and the only problem would be that people with Knowledge in other parts of the world would be asleep.) Being older in years, the time factor worried me. But everything worked out. The possibility of something going wrong was great. But since I'd never been late to any of Maharaji's events that I had attended, I needn't have been anxious.

It was so wonderful to be tucked up under the comfort of my blanket, watching and waiting for Maharaji to arrive. It was so wonderful to be able to watch everyone taking their seats, knowing that at the very same moment in time as them I would be watching my beloved master coming on stage. The anticipation was so exquisite.

Looking back every one of those satellite events was like being in a real dream.

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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 07:10:04 (EDT)
From: JHS Gabriel
Email: j-h-s.gabriel@lemel.fr
To: All
Subject: Anyone From UK 1970/early 71 ?
Message:
Let me know.
From the one who did 'follow' the 'Kowledge' AND God unstead of gurus !
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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 07:17:31 (EDT)
From: JHS Gabriel
Email: jhs_gabriel@writeme.com
To: JHS Gabriel
Subject: Thanks ! BUT MORE REPLIES WANTED !'
Message:
Hi,
PLEASE READ the NEW ENTRY message somewhere 5 forums above untitled also 'thanks ! BUT MORE REPLIES WANTED'. It was meant to be on this forum's place but hoops...
THANKS ! THANKS ! THANKS !
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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 22:32:43 (EDT)
From: Bobby
Email: None
To: JHS Gabriel
Subject: Re: Anyone From UK 1970/early 71 ?
Message:
Happen to know Clive Goodenough or the sisters Jane and Britt who were friends of his?
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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 06:14:33 (EDT)
From: JHS Gabriel
Email: j-h-s_gabriel@writeme.com
To: Bobby
Subject: Bobby
Message:
Bobby,
the message dated Thurs, Aug 26 1999 at 05:54:03 was/is for you
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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 05:54:03 (EDT)
From: JHS Gabriel
Email: j-h-s_gabriel@writeme.com
To: Bobby
Subject: Re: Anyone From UK 1970/early 71 ?
Message:
Bobby,
the problem is that I don't really remember names. I was there very early 1970 for 2 and half month and then another 2/3 weeks after the Isle of Wight Festival. So if they were around that time...
Thanks of course for your reply
All the best
Gabriel
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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 19:51:37 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: JHS Gabriel
Subject: Re: Anyone From UK 1970/early 71 ?
Message:
I received knowledge in the Spring of 1972 in London. I knew quite a few people who had received it MUCH earlier.
Do the names Terry and Anne Cockoran ring a bell with anybody? They were around Maharaji in India before he came to the West. They were good friends of mine and lived in Notting Hill in 1972/3. I wonder where they are now?
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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 19:42:46 (EDT)
From: Diz
Email: None
To: JHS Gabriel
Subject: Re: Anyone From UK 1970/early 71 ?
Message:
Hi JHSG

That's early. Might be Liz's vintage. Not sure what country she's from, or whether she's reading the forum at present. But she was one of the earliest westerners to get K, I gather.

Best wishes

Diz

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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 06:18:40 (EDT)
From: JHS Gabriel
Email: jhs_gabriel@writeme.com
To: Diz
Subject: Diz
Message:
Diz,
just to thank you for your reply; Liz did send me a mail !
All the best
Gabriel
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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 00:02:25 (EDT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: Diz
Subject: Re: Anyone From UK 1970/early 71 ?
Message:
Thanks Diz,

I'm back after happy holidays. I've emailed J. Definately was my vintage!

Love,

Liz

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 20:10:00 (EDT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Embarrassed
Message:
I still do the meditation that the fraudalent fat-fuck guru teaches. Don't ask why. It calms my frazzled nerves or something.

But the thing is, someone called the other day and my friend said I was meditating. When I see the person who called, I'm sure they're going to ask about the meditation. So what do I say? I'm embarrased to admit I had a greasy fat guru. It's bad enough I got conned, but still doing the meditation makes me look like a fool. How would you handle this?

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 05:19:05 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Re: Embarrassed
Message:
Hi Powerman,

You could lie, and say you got the techniques from the back of a Cornflakes pack, or through the post or something.

Anth the Agent Provocateur

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 00:11:18 (EDT)
From: Mickey Moss
Email: ickymickey@home.com
To: Powerman
Subject: Re: Embarrassed
Message:
Powerman:

So what do I say? I'm embarrased to admit I had a greasy fat guru. It's bad enough I got conned, but still doing the meditation makes me look like a fool. How would you handle this?

Just tell them you were playing with yourself, and the word 'meditation' is a euphemism.

-MM

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 20:50:20 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Re: Embarrassed
Message:
When people ask what the meditation is that I've done I just tell them what it is. I explain some of the techniques I still practise, now and then. I never bring Maharaji into it.
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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 20:44:37 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Re: Embarrassed
Message:
Dear Powerman,
I wouldn't worry about it. Say it is for relaxation or spiritual reflection, whatever you feel best about. I still meditate and there are other ex's who do. Lots of people meditate that never heard of M. Only say what you feel comfortable saying, you don't have to give up anything about yourself that you don't want to.
Good luck.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 20:20:23 (EDT)
From: Hihomumio
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Re: Embarrassed
Message:
Hello Powerman-

I believe some of the ex's here still meditate using some or all of the same techniques. Obviously, you continue because it makes you feel good. Don't be ashamed or feel like a fool because of that-there's no reason to feel that way. Do whatever you need to do to give yourself peace of mind. Just because you dumped Maharaji doesn't mean you have to give up meditation too.

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 20:43:52 (EDT)
From: Barbara Seville
Email: None
To: Hihomumio
Subject: Re: Embarrassed
Message:
Exactly. Good plan, Hihomumio. Just make sure you give no credit whatsoever to Maharaji for teaching you these things. Also, make sure you give him no acknowledgement for teaching this to all those other people or for having any redeeming qualities of any kind. And Occasional Observer, good for you for breaking your word on the one thing you promised him. He doesn't deserve any honesty from you. You're far more qualified to teach people the Knowledge. Keep on with your good works.

Barbara Seville

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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 05:32:29 (EDT)
From: An Occassional Observer
Email: None
To: Barbara Seville
Subject: Re: Embarrassed
Message:
Yes I followed his example in breaking my promise. He promised to the ashram premies that if they lived in the ashram and ONLY did satsang service and meditation then all their needs would be looked after.
In fact he dropped the ashram premies like a stone. Do you know what it is like to give your all to THE Lord and then thrown out into the street?....maybe you can understand why more than a few ashramees took their own lives.

Incidentally, up until recent years, HE never initiated anyone. That is why many premies feel closer to the person that initiated them than prempal....and many of the peo[le that did initiate no longer follow him.

Tell me Barbara, is He aloud to break promises?

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 08:14:02 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: An Occassional Observer
Subject: Re: Embarrassed
Message:
Incidentally, up until recent years, HE never initiated anyone. That is why many premies feel closer to the person that initiated them than prempal.

This is true, Hiho. I felt much more of a bond with my initiator than I did to M. I never could quite figure what he had to do with it. I think they said he was the Lord or something, that it was by his grace that I felt the bliss, something like that. I guess he never felt all that graceful with me because I never did feel all that bliss I've heard so much about. But what you say is dead on true. I feel that it was my initiator that I shared an important moment in my life with when I received Knowledge, as well as the people who were in my Knowledge session, not M.

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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 00:39:12 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Barbara Seville
Subject: Stupid, stupid premies
Message:
And Occasional Observer, good for you for breaking your word on the one thing you promised him. He doesn't deserve any honesty from you.

Context, my friend. Context. The oath I gave was to my Guru Maharaj Ji, Lord of the Universe, to whom I surrendered my life in order to become a pure vessel of his love, a humble servant, a devotee. To die and be reborn in him somehow or other.

Check the marquee. That movie left town years ago. I hear you can't even rent it.

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 09:04:17 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Stupid, stupid premies
Message:
You know, Jim. When I read how some people went into their Knowledge session believing with a full and open heart that they were embarking on a journey of salvation and service to God, I feel I missed out on something. I was hoping that Maharaji was God and that my savior had finally come, but I hadn't been given the proof I needed that would convince me. I guess I was waiting for the meditation to prove it to me. After all, that's what everybody was saying, right? When you receive Knowledge, you'll know.

But that never happenned . I feel cheated in a way. I mean, here I am an ex-premie but I never had a heart filled with bliss in the complete faith that I was serving God. Even though it was nothing but a fantasy for those who did (and still do, for some), I think I might have enjoyed being a premie if I had been able to dive into it further than I did. Did you enjoy being a premie? I mean REALLY love being one? Ever?

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 09:40:20 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Good question
Message:
Did I enjoy being a premie?

Hm.

Yes, there were moments when I thought I was talking to Maharaji in my heart, in the trees, in the sky, in other people (satsang) that I got really excited. Or when I really got into meditation and thought, for a moment, I was actually getting somewhere. That worked for a bit. And then there were the social highs, the fun aspects of all the organizational hustle and bustle, not to mention the grandiose self-importance we shared with our cult leader about his iminent saving the wold and everything.

But there was always a lot of confusion, frustration, hypocrisy, boredom and feeling zoned out as well. Not to mention one hundred per cent delusion.

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:43:43 (EDT)
From: Hihomumio
Email: None
To: Barbara Seville
Subject: By the way......
Message:
Is it Barbara Kristi Seville? Or Kristi Barbara?

Naughty girl!!!!!!!

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 21:25:04 (EDT)
From: Hihomumio
Email: None
To: Barbara Seville
Subject: Thanks, Barbara!
Message:
Barbara-

Nice to make your acquaintance.

Maharaji claims ownership of these techniques, but apparently they are no more his than any other Indian guru's-haven't you ever read here before? From what I understand, they are used by many other guru's now and were used by many others long before he came along. Check the archives on Forum 3 if you want specifics..

Redeeming qualities you say? Well, no I don't see any. He has many of the same vices that a lot of us ungodly folks have: smokes, drinks, womanizes, curses, and so on and so forth....
Would you care to enlighten me and tell me what he has given to other people that they couldn't get elsewhere (for free, better yet) and exactly what his 'redeeming qualities' are?

Thanks-
Hihomumio

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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 15:18:42 (EDT)
From: Q (the real one)
Email: None
To: Hihomumio
Subject: Redeeming Qualities
Message:
Well, he talks well. If you like what he has to say.
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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 21:54:07 (EDT)
From: Hihomumio
Email: None
To: Q (the real one)
Subject: Re: Redeeming Qualities
Message:
Q-
I hope his english has improved since I last heard him! I could barely understand his words-oops, really dating myself here.
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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 20:13:43 (EDT)
From: An Occassional Observer
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Re: Embarrassed
Message:
If the person wanted to know how to do the techniques, I would show them to the person.
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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:22:40 (EDT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: An Occassional Observer
Subject: Re: Embarrassed
Message:
Mostly wherever you run into the techniques (and there are plenty of places where variations on 'knowledge' are practiced) some kind of secrecy is at work. It reminds me of learning about sex as a child. Different levels of and attitudes about secrecy prevail in different situations. The nectar technique is common in most serious Tai Chi practices, for example.

For dear Barbara Seville, who says that some ex had broken his one promise to Mirage or however she worded it, Barbara hon, my goomiragey promised peace on earth!?! What a load of SHIT!

Talk about breaking promises, love.

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:37:36 (EDT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: The Sacred Four Techniques
Message:
I'm kind of surprised to hear about so many ex-premies using the same 'Techniques.' I realize they are pretty much generic Hindu techniques, but, doesn't it feel funny using techniques taught by a guru you no longer follow?
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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 03:21:35 (EDT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Re: The Sacred Four Techniques
Message:
Why the hell would I not practice the techniques because Rawatt is trying to literally cash in on them? Their whole beauty IS that no belief is required, but Rawatt insists on loading them down with beliefs about him while pretending to opt for a lack of beliefs and concepts.

By the way, the techniques are somewhat common throughout the entire orient, not just India.

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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 15:21:47 (EDT)
From: Q
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Re: The Sacred Four Techniques
Message:
Occasionally, (rarely,) you make sense, Muck.
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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 00:29:34 (EDT)
From: Mickey Moss
Email: ickymickey@home.com
To: Runamok
Subject: Re: The Sacred Four Techniques
Message:
Run:

By the way, the techniques are somewhat common throughout the entire orient, not just India.

Now, if people would just forget how to masturbate I too could become Lord of the Universe.

-MM

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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 21:02:02 (EDT)
From: dv
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Re: The Sacred Four Techniques
Message:
Does this mean I can still wear my titanium watch with the four symbols? Oh boy! Problem is, if someone asks me what it means, a meditative cloud will descend on me!dv
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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 11:43:14 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Wrong, Run, wrong
Message:
Their whole beauty IS that no belief is required

Do you really believe that? Tell me the purpose of squeezing your eyes and staring at the imaginary light in the middle of your foreherd (or however you want to describe it). Or plugging your ears and listening (to the right side?)? What are you listening for? And the tongue thing? Why on earth would you do that if you didn't think it had some sort of mojo? And tell me, what exactly do you think the Word is? Nothing? You don't have any beliefs about it?

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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 15:49:01 (EDT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Wrong, Run, wrong
Message:
I'll answer your questions, Jim. I want to look at this thing square on. That's why they call me Powerman.

Personaly, I wouldn't say 'their whole beauty is that no belief is required'. I don't know there's a whole beauty but they do do something for me and I don't have any belief around it. Unless of course, I have an unconscious belief that they will work, or a holdover of cult condtioning.

Squeezing my eyeballs (actually it isn't squeezing but just touching lightly) focuses my mind. Same with doing the 'music' technique. I know it sounds silly. Personaly, I experienced being frazzled and scattered, which creates anxiety and doing the techniques alleviates that to some degree.

So, you tell me what's going on. I'm willing to listen, and consider that I'm just trapped in residual cult beliefs. But I really can't see it. There's not one ounce of me that thinks maharaji is anything but a creep or that there's such a thing as knowledge. To tell you the truth, I don't even think spirituality even exists. But the techniques do help me, plenty enough to continue doing them.

Debate away, buddy.

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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 16:00:19 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Re: Wrong, Run, wrong
Message:
Powerman,

There's an even better technique for soothing rattled nerves. It's called 'Freeze-Frame and you can read about it at www.heartmath.com.

It takes about a minute to do and beats the shit outta meditation IMO. And the effects are documented with EEGs, EKGs, and blood analysis so this isn't just puffery.

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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 15:49:02 (EDT)
From: Q
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: I can't believe having to admit you're not entirely worthless, g. (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 21:02:14 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Q
Subject: Re: I can't believe having to admit you're not entirely worthless, g. (nt)
Message:
Why thanks, Q. It's becoming obvious you are not the notorious Catweasel. A thousand pardons for that rash judgement on my part. I shoot from the hip but I'm becoming more circumspect. Really.

Are you familiar with the Heartmath Institute's work? Good stuff, though I have to admit Powerman is right about the website. It's cluttered, poorly designed (those happy face--plu-ease) and has too much stuff on it.

There is a book-which deserves its own website IMO-- called The Heartmath Solution

If you or anyone is interested I could post the technique here and hope I don't get sued.

Sorry about the toe sucking--but over there, Anything Goes.

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Date: Tues, Aug 31, 1999 at 14:57:50 (EDT)
From: Q
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: the exoneration begins (slowly) (whose?)
Message:
Post on, oh-not-entirely-worthless-one, &, as regards what you do anywhere: character will out.
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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 16:12:39 (EDT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: Wrong, Run, wrong
Message:
What is this crap, Gerry? Get you thumb out of your ass, boy.
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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 16:26:17 (EDT)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Re: Wrong, Run, wrong
Message:
Powerman, it's a good thing for you I know how to do the freeze-frame. You were almost subjected to the gerry-in-his-head treatment. But I'm ok now.
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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 17:47:18 (EDT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Re: Wrong, Run, wrong
Message:
Okay, well tell me, what is the freeze-frame. Because I don't know how to do the freeze-frame, I couldn't sit through all the verbiage on that web site, that I'd have to read. And those silly pictures at the top of the page were just too much to handle. Will I enjoy picures like that after I learn to do the freeze-frame?
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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 18:22:46 (EDT)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Re: Wrong, Run, wrong
Message:
Weelll turn the pictures off ya dope!

Actually, for $9.95 (American) I will e-mail the secret techniques which are not revealed at the website.
(although I swore to keep them secret.)

And, if you buy now, I will send you--for free--my ultra secret and super-effective cure for white man's disease.

You'll discover the root cause of white man's disease and revel in my quick easy cure. You'll say, ' 'I shoulda thought of that,'' and, '' boy, that was worth $9.95!''

Then you can go for those line dance classes you've been meaning to sign up for but were too embarrassed and you'll feel good.

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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 13:06:28 (EDT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Rights, Jim, rights
Message:
Do you have a warrant?

Press credentials?

Is there some reason I would ever want to answer your ever-agressive questioning with its often derogatory tone?

Do you enjoy being set up?

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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 19:15:06 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Okay, now that you've got that out of your system....
Message:
....try answering the question.
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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 15:24:40 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Re: Rights, Jim, rights
Message:
Run,

I thought that Jim's post about the liklihood of having beliefs before doing meditation to be quite reasonable. I can imagine the exasperation in his voice, but aggression? - no.

John.

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 09:18:23 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: Rights, Jim, rights
Message:
When you get down to it, what do you really experience after you receive Knowledge that you weren't experiencing before it? If you're suddenly seeing bright lights and hearing symphonies of music because some guy touched your forehead and said you now officially have Knowledge, you've got to consider that the power of suggestion is at play. No other rational explanation is possible. I think Knowledge, for some, in reality, can serve as a means of self-hypnosis for relaxation. But that's about it.
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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:44:37 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Hi Gregg! OT
Message:
Hey Gregg! Is school back in session yet?

Marianne

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:48:08 (EDT)
From: Hihomumio
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Re: Hi Marianne
Message:
I hope you are feeling better.

Hihomumio

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:51:31 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: MarianneDB@aol.com
To: Hihomumio
Subject: Re: Hi Marianne
Message:
Thanks, Hihomumio. I'm not feeling great but I don't want to discuss this issue on Forum IV. Thank you for asking, though.

Marianne

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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 11:38:09 (EDT)
From: g-mom
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Chin up!
Message:
Dear Marianne,

I just want to let you know I know you are one of the good guys here. Good for you for not talking about the mess here. Stick to that. Remember, most people take 'consider the source' very seriously as they read posts, and very few people, myself included, want to waste their time reading through a mess of viscious posts.

g-mom

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 14:45:25 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: mgdbach@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: Greetings from Costa Rica
Message:
Hola Ex-premies! Mona and I are in San Jose, Costa Rica, studing Spanish and seeing the sites. We have had two earthquakes in the past week, but, being from California, they have not been very impressive. I have been unable to check in on you all since the computers at the cybercafe are extremely slow and there is always some moron waiting to use the damn thing.
I see that some premies have returned; that must be entertaining. Hey, it's been great, I haven't had one thought or word about the Lard of the Universe since I left Estados Unidos!
Well, those so inclined, send me a line at the address posted above. We will be at our new home in Panama next Saturday and we are very excited. Let me know 'sup wid youse guys!
Michael
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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 23:23:09 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: Re: Greetings from Costa Rica
Message:
Hi Mick!

You lucky dog! Hey that's god backwards. We had a bit of a shaker here in McCleary last month. Scared the hell out of me.

Know what? I really appreciated that email you sent me about seriotolgy. Is that the right word? It actually relieved me of some long standing angst.

Hope you have a great time there. Please keep us informed of your activities.

Gerry the village idiot.

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:40:12 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: Hi Mickey
Message:
Hi Mickey,

Nice to hear from you. We've just been having fun, doing the usual. We've had a few picnics, nothing extravagant. Everyone's fine. The puppies aren't puppies anymore. And ol' Fred? Well, he's out to pasture.

Are you coming by this way on your trip home?

Stay in touch,

Jim

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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 14:22:30 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Hi Mickey
Message:
Gee Jim, I'm sorry to hear about ol' Fred, but it sounds like things are going fine. We won't be coming home, so we won't be able to stop by. Keep in touch!
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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 22:27:21 (EDT)
From: g's mom
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: Hola Miguelito
Message:
No habla Espanol. Bueno tiempo ( to you)

G-mom-who would be very upset if I wrote from an exotic place and only got one cyper hi.

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 11:08:35 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: g's mom
Subject: Cyper hi?
Message:
G-mom-who would be very upset if I wrote from an exotic place and only got one cyper hi.

Yeah, that's a good word for it.

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 14:20:21 (EDT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Mickey
Subject: Do exorcisms?
Message:
Wish you were here to exorcise the demons...but that is another story:)

Good to 'see' you here again, Mickey! (Miss your humor.) I hope everything is going well for you and your family. Do you guys get Teletubbies in Costa Rica?

VP

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 21:25:30 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: Re: Do exorcisms?
Message:
Dear Mickey,
I hadn't thought about it that way, g's mom, I was just going to email but you are right and we all love Mickey and miss his thoughts and humor.
Hey Mickey, I LOVE Tom Waits new one, Mule Train, is it! Jess was supposed to send a copy home with Jade but forgot but it was great. My favorite was the one about being popular in Japan, what a good song to dance to! :)
Love to you and yours,
Robyn
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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 13:22:47 (EDT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: M the P!
Message:
Where are you in that country?
Coastal?
You are y2k ok there I guess. Check your water source out.
If you lose power in that god forsaken backwater, will that do in your water supply?
You will impress the locals if you are smart enough to check out thier y2k vulnerabilities
and alert them ahead of time.
That is definately part of your job as a savvy techie from the heavenly first world of streets
paved with gold and freedom and wealth.

Go ask the buearucracts or check with the american business council in that country to get
a straight opinion on your (and your peoples) vulnerabilities.
By the way, what do you need?
Jim recently had a windfall and needs to do the jewish thing of shareing.
Since the temple is loaded with old test cultics, he wont go there and so that 10% is unspent as of yet.

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 12:42:21 (EDT)
From: g's mom
Email: None
To: All
Subject: trusting people on the internet
Message:
I was just reading some posts at the other site and am saddened by how things truly are deteriorating. There are some really good honest stable people who post here. There are also, some people who appear to be mentally unstable.

I am only going to state the obvious. The cult always attracted its share of nuts. There were somtimes damn good reasons there were bongo lists. The internet attracts nuts too. So it is no suprise that we have our share of nuts here at this site. We always will unless we make it some password infested pass a test first place...and that would defeat the purpose of the free exchange of information that makes this site so powerful for ex's and premies who need support in becoming ex's.

But reading these posts I am so saddened by the hurt that has gone on. I suspect, that in face to face interaction, most people who I believe really are not playing with a full deck would tip their hands sooner. I think someone who is not fully compensated can give a pretense of sanity longer in a net situation.

I just want to encourage SUSPICION. We can be polite without givng people our trust. We especially must be careful not to give any personal details which make us vulnerable until there is real reason to trust someone.

Gmom, trying to play mom to all, I know it sounds like a little sermon, but it seems like there is a lot of real hurt going on out there.

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:23:37 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: g's mom
Subject: Hey, Gmom, I hear you
Message:
Gmom,

(Thanks for trying out the suggestion by the way. Do you like it? Does your husband call you Gmom? The kids?)

I don't think that things are deteriorating in any general way though. This whole episode is just one of those things that happens in communities from time to time. Don't you remember growing up how confused people sometimes got on the internet? I remember when I was about five. My mom had started a web site with lots of different recipes for marshmallow jello mold. Turns out one of the gals who posted there wasn't a gal at all! Might not sound like much of a scandal now but in the fifties? Believe me, it was a big deal.

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 05:23:00 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim, you're lying.
Message:
Jim,

You fall on your own sword. They didn't have marshmallows in the 50s.

Ha ha caught you out.

Anth the Seeker of Truth.

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 08:11:38 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Too funny!
Message:
Anth,

It's just so funny to hear you Limeys try to tell us New Worlders about what we did or didn't have at such-and-such a time. Like, it's all that hard for you guys to accept how innovative and just plain modern and cool we are over here. Or, more to the point how you guys simply aren't any of that anymore.

Anth, I swear to God -- may God strike me dead sometime within the next fifty years ... make that seventy ... if I'm lying (and eighty if I'm simply wrong) -- but we did indeed have marshmallows in Canada back then. Where do you think marshmallow Fluff came from? (You probably don't even know what I'm talking about, do you? Fluff was this cool marshmallow stuff you could make peanut butter sandwiches with. I think the British counterpart, sorry to say, is ... what do you call that stuff? Marmite?)

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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 05:36:54 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Marmite v Maple Syrup
Message:
Jim,

That's just amerikan propaganda. Marshmallows were invented in the 60s, in Shropshire, by a band called Tangerine Dream. They were inspired to invent a type of food in honour of one of the tracks from their debut albumn.
You've been brainwashed by the great Satan State to the South.

The only reason you're still modern and cool over there, is because there's still a reasonable concentration of Cultured British genes over there. (Come on Jim, you must have heard of Shakespeare and the Teletubbies)

Now, if I may be serious. You can string up our Royal Family, and their corgis, but be careful what you say about Marmite. This is our secret weapon that has enabled us to rid Europe of Fascism in darker years.

(Yeah, I know we missed a few).

Anyway, what's Canada given the world, besides Maple Syrup, lot's of stripped pine furniture and Neil Young?

Maple Syrup doesn't hold a candle to Marmite by the way. It's thin, insipid and runs off your toast.

Anth the Euro-gourmet

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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 21:36:36 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Ignoramus
Message:
Anyway, what's Canada given the world, besides Maple Syrup, lot's of stripped pine furniture and Neil Young?

I'm sorry, Anth, but this is really pissing me off. What? You've never heard of Loverboy? Or Celine Dion? Ann Murray?

And how about some absolutely unique Canadian contributions to world culture? Like Canadian Airlines? Or the CBC? Don't you know there wouldn't even be a company like Canadian Tire, which, if you don't know, has outlets all across the country, if it weren't for ....

Oh yeah, how about Jim Carrie? And how about the Toronto Dominion bank? How about Ottawa, for that matter?

Come on, Anth, this place is happening!

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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 04:02:23 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Don't forget the films
Message:
I apologise Jim.

And I'd forgotten about those thousands of educational movies we saw in the 50s, sponsered by the Canadian Film Board.

There was one called 'Cosmic Zoom' that was brilliant, about a bloke rowing a boat. It started with a shot of the Universe from outside (God knows how you got the camera up there), zoomed in through the Galaxies, into our Galaxy, into the solar system, onto Earth, down to some lake in Canada where there was this bloke in a rowing boat getting bit by a mosquito. It zoomed onto the mosquito bite, then into his blood, molecules etc.

I could never figure out how Canadian science had advanced to the stage where it could produc a sub-atomic camera.

Brilliant.

Did you ever watch it. (If not, I hope I haven't spoiled the ending for you. The mosquito did it.)

Anth the Film Buff

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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 11:07:19 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Only all the time
Message:
Must have seen it at least half a dozen times. Mind you, there's a Lincoln ad now that does the same thing, kind of, which is a lot of fun. These guys are doing something or other, then the camera zooms out and they're on a castle, out again, the castle's a rook on a chess board, out again, the board's between two people on a train, out again, a kid picks up the toy train, etc....

Sorry, no insults, I'm just getting up ....

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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 19:07:05 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: Marmite v Maple Syrup
Message:
Dear Anth and Jim,
I can look it up if I remember when I go home but there is a marshmellow plant that was originally used and then the sugar fluff, no nutritional value was created as a cheaper substitute. I bet the real plant had some flavor too!
I don't know what Marmite is unless it is like Fluff and I can't have it or maple suryp but maple suryp beats Fluff hands down, natural, sweet and flavor!
Love,
Robyn from that Satan State to the South!
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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 18:24:35 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Re: Marmite v Maple Syrup
Message:
Hi Robyn,

If I ever get round to sorting that Laura Nyro CD out, I'll put a jar of Marmite in with it.

People usually love it or hate it, with nothing in between. It's a by product of brewing beer.

Anth the Enriched With Vitamin B12

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Date: Sat, Aug 28, 1999 at 07:48:27 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: Marmite v Maple Syrup
Message:
Dear Anth,
Thank you so much sweetie, I had forgotten all about Laura Nyro but I just taped a double CD of her greatest hits from Bobby's collection.
I thought this Marmite was like marshmellow fluff! Isn't that what got this topic going? Anyway I am diabetic so shouldn't have sugar if it is and if it is indeed a beer by product, I am also not supposed to drink being a diabetic. I have some friends who would LOVE to try it but that may just be taking this hands across the water thing a bit to far, eh?
Anyway thanks for the kind offer.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 17:55:47 (EDT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Re: Marmite v Maple Syrup
Message:
Dear Robyn,

Marmite is about as unlike marshmallow as you can get. Like chalk 7 cheese. Marmite is exceptionally salty & marshmallow is exceptionally sickly sweet. savoury v dessert, get the picture. I love Marmite on toast. There is an Aussie version called vagimite (sb vegimite but I thought I'd leave yet another Freudian slip in!)

Load of Love,

Liz xxxxx

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Date: Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 11:20:23 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Liz
Subject: Vagimite? Never tried it.
Message:
Liz,

All these new flavours, I can hardly keep up.

Sincerely,

:)

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 23:18:24 (EDT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jello v Jelly
Message:
Let me explain boys as an ex-pat....Anth thinks marshmallows are round chocolate covered gooey things with a cookie base(biscuit to you Anth.) Whereas Jim thinks marshmallows are white not so gooey round things made of cornstarch, corn syrup and something else I'm not sure of. (I'm sure a real New Worlder could enlighten us Brits & Expatriots of the missing ingredient - winner wins a mouse-mat designed by Miragi.) Anyway wonderful 50's housewives with (bouffonte?) hairstyles & red chequered (checked to you Anth) aprons made jello -(jelly) to you Anth) in Holi colors (colours to you Anth) of florescent green, yellow, red & orange salads with mini-marsh-mallows and cans (tins to you Anth)) of fruit salad and sometimes (ugh, dare I say...) vegetables!

Love

Liz (The English/American Interpreter)who doesn't speak French!

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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 19:12:15 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Liz
Subject: Re: Jello v Jelly
Message:
Dear Liz,
Hi sweetie, when I saw the word jelly I thought you were going to talk about those jelly shoes, dah, the topic is food but it rememinded me when Jade was small and she loved those jelly shoes and boy oh boy are they lethal weapons!!!! OUCH!
Are Anth's marshmellows like those cookies that are here with the thin cookie bottom, pin wheels maybe, a blob of marshmellow and the whole mess covered in chocolate. I have to bad mouth sugar foods so I don't crave them! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 01:24:17 (EDT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Re: Jello v Jelly (OT)
Message:
Dear Robyn,

What on earth are jelly shoes or what on jelly are earth shoes!

As you can see i'm slowly losing it but it's fun!

Yes those Marshmellows are as messy as you described!

How are the bears. I was hiking with my husband the other day above a golf course when a group of golfers shouted there's a mum black bear with two cubs about 100 meters away from you. We both froze and watched as the mother & cubs scampered across our path and up the mountain-side.

Love,

Liz

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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 16:01:31 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Liz
Subject: Re: Jello v Jelly (OT)
Message:
Dear Liz,
Glad you got to see the bears. They are great as long as they aren't mauling you! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 05:45:24 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Liz
Subject: Jelly Clothes
Message:
Hi Liz,

Thanks a lot. That's cleared things up considerably.

How long have Canadians been wearing checked aprons made out of jelly? (Doesn't fun down your legs and make the kitchen floor dirty?)

Anth and his mate Marmite.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 19:14:16 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: Jelly Clothes
Message:
Dear Anth,
'Doesn't fun down your legs and make the kitchen floor dirty?'
Sounds like you should take this to the Anything Goes Forum mister! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 20:22:22 (EDT)
From: Know It All
Email: None
To: Anth
Subject: Re: Jelly Clothes
Message:
Yeah Anth, maybe you and Liz ought to take this off forum. Your words certainly make the imagination run wild. Please provide Sir Dave with any photos (to be added to his Photo Gallery) of the result of your consultation.
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Date: Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 04:14:54 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Know It All
Subject: Re: Jelly Clothes
Message:
Ooops,

Don't worry, it's only a typo. It shouldn't have said, 'fun down your legs' at all.

It should have read, 'I still haven't been able to get the handcuffs off from the last session. Can I have my nun outfit back and let's see if it's better if we use warm custard next time.'

I hope nobody got the wrong impression there. Phew.

Nath teh tyop.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 26, 1999 at 01:01:22 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Liz
Subject: You say tomato and I say tomato
Message:
Thanks, Liz. Sincerely, thanks very much.
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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 15:40:36 (EDT)
From: ham
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: duh
Message:
Like with house music, I think not Jim.

Bet people there still think Neil Young is hip!

Except for 'A Tribe Called Quest', ever the exception that proves the rule.

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Date: Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 21:08:26 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: ham
Subject: Oh no, not this again!
Message:
Ham,

Let's not do this again, shall we?

By the way, who's Neil Young anyway?

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:04:19 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: g's mom
Subject: Remember the old peace and love?
Message:
Well it used to be about peace and love when I got involved back in 1972. The peace and love disappeared but it's still here, outside of the cult.

I'm a very ex-premie. I don't know any premies or even ex-premies in person, only over the net. I see there is so much paranoia and people have been damaged far more than they care to admit.

The best way to take away fear is to show that it's groundless. Here's a nice family snap to show what I'm talking about. Sir David & eldest daughter on Eclipse day.

I am happy to assist in any way to help people get over their fear of the cult and all its ramifications and abuse. This forum has trends and fashions but the underlying feelings are still there amongst us old exes who've been through the mill. And this is always a place for people to turn to in time of need and get an understanding ear.

It is the people who make this place and only our input makes it what it is. If it doesn't seem right then perhaps it will turn around if we want it enough. So true for all of our lives, as well.

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 22:49:15 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Great photo, Sir D!
Message:
Sir Dave: Your big smiles warmed my heart. Your daughter is a real cutie. It is good to put face to the posts. thanks for sharing with us.

Marianne

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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 09:22:37 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: david@xyzx.freeserve.co.uk
To: Marianne
Subject: Re: Great photo, Sir D!
Message:
Yes she is a cutie and I'll have a problem in a few years when there will be queues of boys hanging around. I think the net is a bit impersonal and I thought of putting a picture gallery of people who participate on these forums, online. There really is nothing to be afraid of and I want to say that out loud. The cult is all but dead but those fine people who believed Maharaji was the Lord all have something in common.

If anyone wants to be included in my picture gallery then please email me your picture. I find it sad that there is so much paranoia amongst ex-premies and premies. Life is difficult enough without including cult paranoia. We all got into this thing because of peace, love and a desire to be close to the one and all and each other. We're still those same people. Let's not forget it.

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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 11:09:00 (EDT)
From: g-mom
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: Great photo, Sir D!
Message:
Dave,

Beautiful girl! I think your idea is great! I may send a picture. Actually, I do not think sending a pic is as risky as sending your last name.

Gmom

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 18:29:48 (EDT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: g's mom
Subject: Re: trusting people on the internet
Message:
Seems like the term 'recovering cult members' applies to all of us.

Most AA groups and the like (which I'm not terribly attracted to but they seem to have a value) have guidelines that delineate 'alchoholic' behavior and members acknowledge themselves as alchoholics who are recovering.

Whatever our relationships were with Miragey, there is some kind of a hole in our development. It affects a lot of us financially because we put our efforts towards M instead of ourselves (and he sucked us dry).

We lost intellectually for the same reasons.

I experienced a lot of damage with my relationship to my parents, and the cultist structure didn't specialize in relationship building either.

When I left the cult, I had virtually no friends. It wasn't exactly a nurturing situation. When I needed friends the most they were not there.

Our communication problems as exes are not new. And there not suddenly appearing either. We need a way to get angry without it snowballing the whole place to hell.

We're ex-disciples. It's like having an alchoholic parent (sorry the alchoholic thing is all I can think of- but the alchoholic parent thing is a closer fit). He really was what we studied. We worked on perfecting his con game for however many years we did it.

Now we need each other if we can work it out.

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 13:21:29 (EDT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: g's mom
Subject: trusting people on the internet
Message:
Yeah, g's mom. That's what I meant to say in my post 'this is Weird'.

VP
Wondering how Marianne is doing today

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 15:21:30 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: Re: trusting people on the internet
Message:
Not very well.
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Date: Tues, Aug 24, 1999 at 09:07:43 (EDT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Chin up
Message:
Marianne,

I'm sorry you are not doing well. Not everyone is worthy of our friendship. Some are certainly more deserving of it than others. Keep this in mind and you may feel better in time. I know where you are coming from on this.

Hug,
VP

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Date: Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 12:03:38 (EDT)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: All
Subject: A bit o' housecleaning...
Message:
First, thanks to Runamok for his continuing assistance in my (many) absences.

Second, I hereby declare general amnesty for all political prisoners in the time out box.

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