Forum IV: The Ex-Premie Forum
Archive: 7
From: Fri, Oct 08, 1999 To: Wed, Oct 20, 1999 Page: 3 Of: 5


Mili -:- A Question -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 04:54:46 (EDT)
__ Grace -:- Re: A Question -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 09:51:15 (EDT)
__ Jerry -:- Re: A Question -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 08:29:54 (EDT)
__ __ Jerry -:- By the way, Mil -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 09:32:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ Mili -:- Re: By the way, Mil -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 11:47:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ Gerry -:- Just a speculation... -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 09:59:54 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Re: Just a speculation... -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 11:21:51 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Grace -:- Thanks Katie, -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 12:54:04 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Yes, SHE is Marolyn. Lordy mama! -:- Thurs, Oct 14, 1999 at 03:26:41 (EDT)

Enough -:- Improving on Perfection -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 03:14:50 (EDT)
__ Grace -:- Re: Improving on Perfection -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 12:56:07 (EDT)
__ __ Enough -:- Re: Improving on Perfection -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 18:48:33 (EDT)

Rabbi Nimstein -:- Self Deception -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 16:24:00 (EDT)
__ who knows -:- Re: Self Deception (yada yada yada) -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 16:36:32 (EDT)
__ __ Rabbi Nimstein -:- Re: Self Deception (yada yada yada) -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 18:44:04 (EDT)

Nigel -:- The Truth Fairy? -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 12:13:33 (EDT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Re: The Truth Fairy? -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 13:47:47 (EDT)
__ __ Jerry -:- Re: The Truth Fairy? -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 19:56:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- I'm not a believer -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 20:46:32 (EDT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Look with your heart! -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 13:11:38 (EDT)
__ __ Deputy Dog -:- Truth! -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 12:00:18 (EDT)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Here I go again -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 14:14:31 (EDT)

Nigel -:- M claimed he would feed the world -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 12:08:59 (EDT)
__ Joey -:- 'Who is Guru Maharaji?' -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 19:14:51 (EDT)
__ Grace -:- Re: M claimed he would feed the world -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 17:19:16 (EDT)

Katie -:- Another ex-premie reunion -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 11:54:04 (EDT)
__ Bobby -:- Re: Another ex-premie reunion -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 19:54:55 (EDT)
__ __ Helen -:- Re: Another ex-premie reunion -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 23:09:45 (EDT)
__ __ __ Bobby -:- Re: Another ex-premie reunion -:- Thurs, Oct 14, 1999 at 06:54:36 (EDT)
__ david m -:- Re: Another ex-premie reunion -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 12:59:47 (EDT)
__ __ Bobby -:- Re: Another ex-premie reunion -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 19:55:57 (EDT)

GM -:- Me got bad logic -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 07:43:19 (EDT)
__ Susan -:- Re: Me got bad logic -:- Thurs, Oct 14, 1999 at 14:53:35 (EDT)
__ Susan -:- thanks GM -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 23:16:47 (EDT)
__ __ GM -:- The wind's in the willows -:- Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 01:32:08 (EDT)

Mili -:- Ray Charles is God -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 02:03:38 (EDT)
__ Katie -:- Re: Ray Charles is God -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 17:37:49 (EDT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- Rat-Guru's logic -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 04:04:58 (EDT)
__ __ Jerry -:- Here's the rules -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 19:29:58 (EDT)
__ Jerry -:- Re: Ray Charles is God -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 09:11:27 (EDT)
__ __ Jerry -:- On second thought -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 14:26:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- It all depends on the 'is' -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 15:44:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Maharaji is Mili, and I can prove it. -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 18:15:04 (EDT)
__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Re: On second thought -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 03:22:34 (EDT)
__ duo -:- Heroin is god's drug of choice -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 08:50:31 (EDT)
__ __ Gregg -:- There Are Many Gods -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 10:52:46 (EDT)

bill burke -:- House of cards-(ot) -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 00:57:49 (EDT)
__ Alan Greenspin -:- Easy Does It, Bill -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 01:49:48 (EDT)
__ __ bb -:- A.G. -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 02:56:04 (EDT)
__ __ __ Susan -:- Off your OT -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 10:53:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ bb -:- Re: Off your OT -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 00:51:13 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- thanks Bill -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 23:08:34 (EDT)

Jim -:- Open your mind a bit, CD -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 21:29:59 (EDT)

Jim -:- How can anyone trust Sanford Pass? -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 19:17:50 (EDT)
__ Shp -:- All: False accusation by ex-premie forgiven by premie...and then what happened? -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 11:41:00 (EDT)
__ __ gerry -:- Re: All: False accusation by ex-premie forgiven by premie...and then what happened? -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 19:44:04 (EDT)
__ __ __ Shp -:- Re: Reply to Gerry -:- Thurs, Oct 14, 1999 at 08:26:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ GM -:- Re: Reply to Gerry -:- Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 01:17:44 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- whatever, Harry (NT) -:- Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 12:04:34 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ GM -:- Hi Gerry,Damn browser..NT -:- Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 19:24:25 (EDT)
__ __ barney -:- Ok, were you posting as Deputy Dog? (nt) -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 14:47:25 (EDT)
__ __ __ Shp -:- Re: No pseudonuyms this time around -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 17:12:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Gm -:- let's get real -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 19:44:55 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Shp -:- We are all one, but we have our individual identities and bodies. -:- Thurs, Oct 14, 1999 at 08:35:20 (EDT)
__ Shp -:- Re: Easily, for I did not post as GM or anyone this time around. -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 21:23:11 (EDT)
__ __ Jim -:- If I'm wrong, I'm really quite sorry -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 21:32:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ Shp -:- Re: No biggie -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 21:40:22 (EDT)

JW -:- Is Buchanan the Antichrist?(ot) -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 17:26:54 (EDT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Re: Is Buchanan the Antichrist?(ot) -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 20:31:47 (EDT)
__ __ JW -:- Re: Is Buchanan the Antichrist?(ot) -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 14:15:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ Helen -:- He's such a *nice* guy!!(nt) -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 23:01:41 (EDT)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Lest we forget -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 21:59:52 (EDT)
__ __ __ JW -:- Re: Lest we forget -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 13:07:24 (EDT)
__ Nigel -:- Yes. (nt) -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 18:52:32 (EDT)
__ __ Marianne -:- Facist Buchanan -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 12:56:38 (EDT)
__ __ __ gerry -:- Buchanan is god! -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 20:33:57 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Ha, ha, made me look! -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 20:40:08 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Stole yer mother's pocketbook!!! -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 23:04:33 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Bongo -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 23:52:44 (EDT)

barney -:- Another SECURITY Tip -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 02:52:52 (EDT)
__ barney -:- It's not the hacker viri that I'm worried about... -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 04:17:50 (EDT)
__ __ Blackdog -:- Try this -:- Thurs, Oct 14, 1999 at 01:19:20 (EDT)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: It's not the hacker viri that I'm worried about... -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 05:13:34 (EDT)
__ Thick as a plank -:- Re: Another SECURITY Tip -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 05:18:10 (EDT)

Surreal SImon -:- Thus spoke CD -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 21:49:59 (EDT)
__ Barthusa -:- while forgetting to tap -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 02:04:29 (EDT)

Jim -:- Hey Url? -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 19:15:22 (EDT)
__ URL -:- Re: Hey Url? -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 18:51:57 (EDT)
__ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Hey Url? Lets Talk Make Believe -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 00:16:54 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- And here's the link -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 19:19:19 (EDT)
__ __ Phred -:- Band on the Run -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 12:31:26 (EDT)
__ __ Brains & NoBalls, Fiction Dept. -:- Needs Work -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 20:11:31 (EDT)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- It was common knowledge -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 21:18:40 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Blackdog -:- Re: It was common knowledge -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 02:01:41 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Stop whining, doggie -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 12:39:53 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Doggie sounds like a disinformation specialist -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 15:05:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Get a reality check, Blackdogged -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 02:08:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: Get a reality check, Blackdogged -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 02:23:22 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Man, I don't know who these people are -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 02:33:05 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Trial? What trial? -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 14:15:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim2 -:- Re: It was common knowledge -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 02:03:53 (EDT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Re: Needs Work -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 20:20:01 (EDT)
__ __ Blackdog -:- Re: And here's the link -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 19:36:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Re: And here's the link -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 19:44:06 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Blackdog -:- Re: And here's the link -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 20:27:53 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Bluebeard -:- Another dumb premie -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 22:40:55 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Blackdog -:- Re: Another dumb premie -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 00:43:09 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ I am not the Forum Admin -:- but I'll tell you this much -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 02:19:19 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Blackdog -:- Ankrara, actually not Timbuktu -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 00:17:45 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Come on, we know you're Rob -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 07:11:27 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Blackdog -:- I haven't had the pleasure.. -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 22:43:44 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Pull the other one -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 00:15:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Blackdog -:- For whom the bell tolls -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 23:45:53 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- By your own admission, you're a phoney (nt) -:- Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 08:59:09 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- my guess -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 23:14:19 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Blackdog -:- Re: my guess -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 23:28:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Bluebeard -:- Re: my guess -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 06:14:33 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- Re: my guess -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 23:40:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Bluebeard -:- You think so? -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 13:41:12 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: You think so? -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 21:35:49 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- But I think Bluebeard is Roger/Barney etc -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 00:08:05 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ barney -:- NO, NOT BARNEY OR ROGER - I ASSURE YOU! -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 00:56:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- for Sir Dave ( sorta OT) -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 12:14:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: for Sir Dave ( sorta OT) -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 21:26:42 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- secret cybersex identities (ot) -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 02:29:55 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Good one! (nt) -:- Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 09:34:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Don't confuse things -:- Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 21:54:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Sounds like a thick Aussie jock... -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 14:23:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Ooops, he's gone. (nt) -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 14:46:32 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Funny but shld be removed -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 19:20:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Surreal (Muscles) Simon -:- That's enough now boys -:- Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 08:42:02 (EDT)


Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 04:54:46 (EDT)
From: Mili
Email: None
To: All
Subject: A Question
Message:
The following is an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid term. The answer was so 'profound' that the professor shared it with colleagues, which is why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well.

Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law, (gas cools off when it expands and heats up when it is compressed) or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following:

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time.

So we need to know the rate that souls are moving into Hell and the rate they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a
soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.

As for how many souls are entering Hell, lets look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state
that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and since people do not
belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number
of souls in Hell to increase exponentially.

Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand as souls are added.

This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase
until all Hell breaks loose.

2. Of course, if Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell Freezes over.

So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Ms. Teresa Banyan during my Freshman year, '...that it will be a cold day in Hell
before I sleep with you.', and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then,

#2 cannot be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and will not freeze.

The student received the only 'A' given.

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 09:51:15 (EDT)
From: Grace
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Re: A Question
Message:
Thanks for posting that, it was great!
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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 08:29:54 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Re: A Question
Message:
Mili,

First off, this silly 'extra credit' question isn't the sole factor why the student got an A. It might not have even had a bearing on his grade at all. He probably got all the 'genuine' questions right as well, and that's why he got an A. If his teacher thought his answer to this particular question was 'profound', so what? What does that prove, that you've found a professor who has a strange sense of profundity? You should look at yourself. You probably think Maharaji's profound. Now, that's a strange sense of profundity.

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 09:32:46 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: By the way, Mil
Message:
If you want to use logic to prove Ray Charles is God, it goes like this:

God is Love
Love is Ray Charles
God is Ray Charles

That is a logically valid argument. Although the premises may be false, if they are true, than the conclusion must be true as well. Your argument...

God is Love
Love is Blind
Ray Charles is Blind
Ray Charles is God...

logically proves that 'God is Blind', not that Ray Charles is God, although he very well may be. Why not? If Maharaji can be God, why not Ray?

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 11:47:17 (EDT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Jerry
Subject: Re: By the way, Mil
Message:
Yeah, Jerry. In a formal sense, that's correct. It's like you said - it all depends on the initial assumptions, them being debatable and all...
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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 09:59:54 (EDT)
From: Gerry
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Just a speculation...
Message:
I know it isn't conclusive proof, but does any one else find it curious that Mili and 'Grace' share the exact same browser type?
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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 11:21:51 (EDT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Re: Just a speculation...
Message:
Hi Gerry -
Interesting, but unless someone is using either Mili's or Grace's name without permission, they are NOT the same person. (BTW, that browser configuration is pretty common).
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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 12:54:04 (EDT)
From: Grace
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Thanks Katie,
Message:
and last time I checked I didn't live in Croatia. I suspect I don't have the same 'hardware' as Mili, either.
How do you know I'm secretly not Marolyn, 'Guru Maharaji's GRACE'?
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Date: Thurs, Oct 14, 1999 at 03:26:41 (EDT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Grace
Subject: Yes, SHE is Marolyn. Lordy mama!
Message:
Marolyn,

Pranams, Marolyn.

As long as you are slumming, please don't forget to grace my site, Roger's House of Maharaji Love.

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 03:14:50 (EDT)
From: Enough
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Improving on Perfection
Message:
Guru Maharaj Ji/Maharaji-various other aliases

DLM/EV

Mahatma/Initiator/Instructor

Light/1st Technique

Music/2nd Technique

Holy Name/3rd Technique

Nectar/4th Technique (it's SNOT what you think)

I am the Lord/He's the Lord/He never said that/just an average Joe

There are probably many more examples but I just want my money back. I was giving $800-$1000/year to EV and another $800/year to the local community. As an investor, that would now be a substantial amount. WHAT COULD I HAVE POSSIBLY BEEN THINKING!

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 12:56:07 (EDT)
From: Grace
Email: None
To: Enough
Subject: Re: Improving on Perfection
Message:
You may have been thinking what I was thinking, that by giving money for M to do his work and spread Knowledge, we were making the world a better place for all. Ah, good intentions!
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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 18:48:33 (EDT)
From: Enough
Email: None
To: Grace
Subject: Re: Improving on Perfection
Message:
and now I'd like to kick him in his ass
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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 16:24:00 (EDT)
From: Rabbi Nimstein
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Self Deception
Message:
--

In the era of the Flood, the Sages suggest a deeper malady associated with the rampant thievery. The Midrash reports that often many thieves would descend on their victim together, but each of them would take only a very small quantity of goods to insure their individual exemption from prosecution. The thieves would repeat this over and over again. The end result was that though they had become enriched, the thieves could rationalize they hadn't really done anything wrong, for, after all, no court was demanding they stand trial. A technique perfected in our own time by that grobbeh chazur Maharaji and his premies.

With this understanding, the error of the flood generation was more than simply a case of people constantly stealing. It was a situation in which people had so lost their moral compass that they'd become embroiled in self-deception and could no longer recognize that they'd done wrong, much like the premie trolls attempting to sabotage the ex premie forum. It was because their self-deception had become so extreme that they were beyond repair and the Almighty had no choice but to start His creation all over again.

And with this in mind the Almighty said,

'Let there be an Ex premie forum! And if that doesn't work...I'll make a forum2, and if that still doesn't work, I'll make a forum3...and if that STILL doesn't work...I'll make a forum4... and I myself will be the anonymous webmaster!!

Shalom to you all,

Rabbi Hershl Nimstein

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 16:36:32 (EDT)
From: who knows
Email: None
To: Rabbi Nimstein
Subject: Re: Self Deception (yada yada yada)
Message:
FORMULE FRAIS MÉDICAUX
01-02-98/31-01-99 01-02-97/31-01-98
2 237$ 2 487$
2 550$ 547$
379$ 131$
2 928$ 678$
131% 27%
33.68$ 37.33$
44.09$ 10.17$
1.1767 1.3532
51.88$ 13.76$
36.63$
.651
56.26$
49.68$
33.23$
+ 69%
much like the premie trolls attempting to sabotage the ex premie forum

Ho Rabbi...please explain

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 18:44:04 (EDT)
From: Rabbi Nimstein
Email: None
To: who knows
Subject: Re: Self Deception (yada yada yada)
Message:
My dear,

Unless YOU have so deceived yourself that you cannot recognize your own answer to your own question...then it is what is.
And how could it be anything other than...

premie trolls attempting to sabotage the ex premie forum

It won't work.
In the end, you'll be swept away by the flood of your own self-deception.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 12:13:33 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: All
Subject: The Truth Fairy?
Message:
A quick excercise in critical thinking for - well, anyone who needs it, I guess...

The Tooth Fairy

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 13:47:47 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Re: The Truth Fairy?
Message:
My children always knew it was me who was the tooth fairy, even though I put a convincing pretence on that it was a real fairy when their first teeth came out. They are born sceptics unlike myself who used to believe in fairies as a child.

But I don't see how the tooth fairy article indicates that God doesn't exist. After all, the money under the pillow was put there by someone and didn't magically appear from nowhere. Some people would have us believe that the universe appeared magically from nowhere. I guess all atheists believe that.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 19:56:46 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: The Truth Fairy?
Message:
Some people would have us believe that the universe appeared magically from nowhere. I guess all atheists believe that.

No, David, it's just an unknown factor. Atheists can live with that. Believers can't, so they invented God as being a likely cause. I know it can be such a tiresome question, but where's the evidence?

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 20:46:32 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: david@xyzx.freeserve.co.uk
To: Jerry
Subject: I'm not a believer
Message:
First, I am not a believer. I do not believe in God but I do take on board the possibility and high probability that there is God.

Where is the evidence? This universe is evidence of a kind. My theory of the impossibility of non existence (which nobody understood) is further evidence for me that God does exist.

No, I don't believe nor do I accept without question that God exists but after giving the subject much thought and research over many years, I have reached the conclusion that God more likely exists than not.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 13:11:38 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Look with your heart!
Message:
Here is the solution:

pray to the Master. Pray with your heart, not by your mouth. Pray with the heart: 'Oh Maharaji, I don't know, please teach me. Please tell me. Give me proper guidance and power of discrimination and protect me. I don't know what to do. Please give me the capability to understand your warnings. If my attention is diverted somewhere else, O' my Lord, please call me back to you. Never abandon me. If I am swept away in the current and forget to call you for rescue, please don't forget me. Just come and save me. Because as I have the tendency to forget, I may forget you. I do not know what is good for me. But you know best.'

If the heart is full of prayer, then a man will get the capacity to comprehend and make others understand things. Because only then the bucket will be empty and when the bucket is empty, the bestower will definitely fill it up. He will fill it with the Knowledge and with love - because it is a matter of love. Had it not been the matter of love, there would have been nothing to do - neither to teach, nor to understand anything. If somebody would have been drowning, he would not have been rescued.

Maharaji, Shri Sant Yogashram, New Delhi
Vaishakhi Celebrations
(Evening Session) 13th April, 1991.

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 12:00:18 (EDT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: all
Subject: Truth!
Message:
Out beyond wrong doing and right doing there is a field of luminous consciousness. I'll meet you there.
Rumi
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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 14:14:31 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Here I go again
Message:
That's what you read in a book. But it's no more the truth than Alice In Wonderland. The practical experience of life is the truth and it's not what Rumi describes.

Can you meet people on this earth and not on some imagined etheric plane? The interaction with people here on this planet, the successful experience of that is far more relevant than some imagined fantasy.

My understanding changed after I'd left Maharaji for a few years. I realised that what he treated with disdain was actually very important. I found my self in my interaction with this world and not by hiding away from it. Oh but this goes against Maharaji's whole philosophy so you won't buy it.

No matter. My understanding is more relevant to me than his because his never worked for me and always grated on me.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 12:08:59 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: All
Subject: M claimed he would feed the world
Message:
Perhaps he could start here:

Food for thought, Mr Rawat

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 19:14:51 (EDT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: 'Who is Guru Maharaji?'
Message:
Watch who'll be feeding all the people,
Watch who will wash away the tears,
Is there really a master plan,
Can this planet be saved by man?

It better be.
The only thing Maharaji is interested in saving is his own ass.
And who knows if he can even do that?

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 17:19:16 (EDT)
From: Grace
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Re: M claimed he would feed the world
Message:
What a neat site!
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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 11:54:04 (EDT)
From: Katie
Email: mishkat@gateway.net
To: All
Subject: Another ex-premie reunion
Message:
Just got back from a long trip which started with yet another East Coast ex-premie re-union at Bethany Beach on the Atlantic Coast of Delaware. The usual suspects (me, Brian, Helen, Robyn, and Helen's husband, who oughta be an honorary ex-premie by now), plus a surprise guest: Bobby! We had a great time - spent a whole day on the beach, and a couple of us even went swimming (with bathing suits on...)

Bobby, if you're reading this, it was wonderful to finally meet you in person. And to everyone else - I highly recommend meeting other ex-premies in person if possible. One of the best things I've gotten from participating in the forum is a chance to meet some of the people who post here - some of them have become my closest friends.

Take care, all of you -
Katie

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 19:54:55 (EDT)
From: Bobby
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Re: Another ex-premie reunion
Message:
Hi Katie!

Yes it was great getting to meet you guys in person. I had a wonderful time and it was especially wonderful sitting in the sun on the beach. I even got a sunburn; it was the first chance I got to take in the sun all summer.

Hello to all. I haven't checked in here much lately. I'm not so interested in discussions about Maharaji as I used to be. Frankly I don't really care who's a premie and who's not. I have friends who are premies and friends who are not. Two weeks ago I was with my ex-premie friends. Last weekend I went down to a bar with an ex-premie friend to hear some really fantastic blues music played by musicians who I think are premies, I know they all used to be and some probably still go to programs. Not a word about Maharaji, just some great fun and music.

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 23:09:45 (EDT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Bobby
Subject: Re: Another ex-premie reunion
Message:
Hey Bobby,
How are you feeling? It was great meeting you. Been thinking about you. I wrote an email to the friend I would like you to meet--the shamanic healer woman. Can you give me your website's address again?

Hope you are well. It was inspiring to meet you
Love
Helen

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Date: Thurs, Oct 14, 1999 at 06:54:36 (EDT)
From: Bobby
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Re: Another ex-premie reunion
Message:
I've been feeling pretty good, sometimes even great (except for this sore throat that I think is some kind of flu or viral infection that hasn't wanted to go away).

And I really enjoyed meeting you and your family. Your husband and I had some great conversation.

My website is:

http://www.well.com/user/bobby

.... and much love to you and your family

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 12:59:47 (EDT)
From: david m
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Re: Another ex-premie reunion
Message:
Hey Katie send me a e-mail..having trouble getting ahold of you..talk to you soon...peace...david
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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 19:55:57 (EDT)
From: Bobby
Email: None
To: david m
Subject: Re: Another ex-premie reunion
Message:
Hi David, how have you been?
I'm doing pretty good.
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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 07:43:19 (EDT)
From: GM
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Me got bad logic
Message:
Susan, I didn't loose my leg, I nearly lost it. Remembering looking down and seeing bone sticking out of my leg still freaks me out. Besides being an inch shorter, it's good as new.
You've surely led an interesting life. Maybe you were saved from mediocrity, because for sure, with your past, your never going to suffer from that. Remember the dreams of your youth? I remember when I was young I used to dream all the time. I think as we get older, we stop dreaming. I had a dream of where I wanted to be when I grew up, and I somehow just took it for granted that it would happen, and now I'm all growed up, my life just about exactly mirrors that dream of my youth. With the benifit of hindsight I may have made things a bit different around the edges, but it's pretty good. You know that saying 'be careful of what you dream for'?. I don't know what powers are at work here, but life seems to conspire to bring about that dream for you. I've got a new dream going now, to carry me into old age and beyond, and that's to be happy, healthy and wise. I can see myself when I'm 70 or 80, sitting out next to the water tank, with my long flowing white beard, my walking staff clasped in one gnarly hand, maybe smoking some herbal tobacco from my pipe, looking at the sun going down and feeling at peace with world. It seems crazy to hit your forties and then stop dreaming, but that seems to be what happens. Staying true to your dream helps to make it happen. Pleasant dreams
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Date: Thurs, Oct 14, 1999 at 14:53:35 (EDT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: GM
Subject: Re: Me got bad logic
Message:
I wrote you a response but it did not appear! Good luck GM. I am not so sure I am saved from mediocrity, I do know in my life I strive for normalcy, but I appreciate the sentiments.
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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 23:16:47 (EDT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: GM
Subject: thanks GM
Message:
Your vision of me may be a little off but thank you. I really am quite boring now. That is by design. I aspire to normalcy. I do not always achive it!

If I make it to seventy or eighty, I want to be a Grandma who has aged ( I hope I can learn to accept that I am aging, so far I find it shocking ) gracefully and is loved by her family and can see that her kids have turned out to be good people.

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Date: Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 01:32:08 (EDT)
From: GM
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: The wind's in the willows
Message:
Hi Susan, I'm interested to know what your definition of normal is.
I was talking to a guy the other day, and he had some really interesting ideas on ageing. He believes that as we age we can become closer to our soul, to our spiritual nature, to our essense and that the reason for youth is to prepare us for what is to come, and that it's older age and not youth that should be valued. Have you heard the saying that 'youth is wasted on the young'? Many cultures see your value increasing as you age.
GM
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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 02:03:38 (EDT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: All
Subject: Ray Charles is God
Message:
Logical proof that Ray Charles is God:

1. God is Love.
2. Love is Blind.
3. Ray Charles is Blind.
4. Ray Charles is God.

Just goes to show that you can prove almost anything you want to, logically, doesn't it?

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 17:37:49 (EDT)
From: Katie
Email: mishkat@gateway.net
To: Mili
Subject: Re: Ray Charles is God
Message:
Hi Mili -
I just wanted to echo Jerry's opinion about your logic syllogism - they usually have THREE, not four parts. I could write out the correct syllogism, but I won't (I probably wouldn't get it right, anyway!)

But anyway and as always, I wanted to re-state my personal beliefs: Jerry Garcia is, was, and will always be god (along with all the other people that Gregg listed, of course.)

Drop me a line sometime, Mili -
Love,
Katie

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 04:04:58 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Rat-Guru's logic
Message:
Here's one good example:

So it is a matter of understanding and looking at things in their proper perspective. Because it is the matter of heart. It relates to heart. If somebody wants to lift an elephant by a spoon, is it possible? He cannot do so. Do you understand? A thing which is concerned with the intellect, can be comprehended by it. But if it is beyond intellect, the intellect is totally irrelevant. If you have to experience something, experience it with the heart and not by the intellect. So open up your heart. But that too we do not know, how it is done or what we have to do for it. In that case too we have to pray to the Master - 'Oh Maharaji, please teach me the process to open up my heart.' Not that 'Well, I know.' People often presume that they know it, but actually they don't know. 'So, Maharaji, please let me know the technique to enable me to open this heart. How to understand this process.' Only through his grace a man can derive the bliss of Knowledge, otherwise it is not possible.

I'm still astonished he's allowed to fly an airplane applying that sort of logic.....

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 19:29:58 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Here's the rules
Message:
Hi, Katie

I took the trouble to look them up, and here they are:

if all a is b
and all b is c
then all a is c

if all a is b
and no b is c
then no a is c

if some a is b
and all b is c
then some a is c

if some a is b
and no b is c
then not all a is c

Okay. Dems da rules. Now, usin' da rules, prove dat Ray is God.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 09:11:27 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Re: Ray Charles is God
Message:
It's a logically valid argument, but the premises are all debatable. So nothing is proven by it.
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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 14:26:17 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: On second thought
Message:
Mili,

If A=B and B=C, then A=C is a valid argument. But what you're saying is, if A=B and B=C and D=C, then A=D. This is an invalid argument.

You can't make up your own rules about logic in an effort to expose it's shortcomings, Mili. First learn the rules, than prove where it's wrong. Otherwise, shut up. You'll only confuse, rather than help, those who are trying to learn how to think straight.

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 15:44:02 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigwl@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Jerry
Subject: It all depends on the 'is'
Message:
There is nothing wrong with 'if A=B and B=C and D=C, then A=D', provided you are talking about algebra, I think the problems arise when Mili uses the word 'is' in a sense that is not the same thing as an 'equals' sign. When you use the word 'is' in the phrase 'Ray Charles is blind', what you really mean is 'Ray Charles is a member of the set of visually impaired people'. Even then, if Love were also afflicted with blindness, Love and Ray Charles would be fellow members of that set (alongside God, I suppose), rather than being the same member.

BTW: I love the way RC sings 'Winter Wonderland' in 'When Harry met Sally'.

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 18:15:04 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Maharaji is Mili, and I can prove it.
Message:
Thanks, Nige. These syllogisms can drive you nuts. Remember this one?

if all men are mammals
and all whales are mammals
then all men are whales

Sounds good, right? But if this is a proper use of logic, than logic is worthless. That's why I figure that only certain syllogisms are considered valid and others not. The syllogism here is, if all a is b, and all c is b, than all a is c. That doesn't work, so I'm certain somewhere along the line, it must have been struck from the record as being a valid syllogism. Otherwise, what value would logic have, if it draws false conclusions from true premises?

Now, here comes a guy, Mili, grinning from ear to ear with a syllogism that I never heard of, in an effort to debunk logic, presumably for the greater glory of his lord and mastuh. It kind of pisses me off, because I don't think Mili gives a shit if he's using logic properly or not. He just wants to debunk it any way he can. Check out his syllogism:

if a is b
and b is c
and d is c
then a is d

If we make a=Maharaji, b=Lord Of The Universe, c=fat, and d=Mili, we get,

if Maharaji is Lord Of The Universe
and The Lord Of The Universe is fat
and Mili is fat
then Maharaji is Mili.

Hmmmm.

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 03:22:34 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Re: On second thought
Message:
Another stupid reasoning:

Ray is God
Ray is blind
Then God is blind.
God is almighty and all-knowing
Then Ray can see even though he's blind
Which is obviously wrong.
Then Ray is no God
Or God is not all-knowing.
Etc etc

That sort of syllogism is typical with Rawat.
Jesus gave this knowledge then, that's why my k is valid.
Jesus spoke about 'Light', then what you see 'inside' is
the light of God (!), and I'm God because you can't see
it without me, and I've showed it to you.
Give me $ 300 and serve me, and you'll be able to have
a 2nd or 3rd row seat, next to God in human form.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 08:50:31 (EDT)
From: duo
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Heroin is god's drug of choice
Message:
Ray is a junkie.
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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 10:52:46 (EDT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: duo
Subject: There Are Many Gods
Message:
And their names are: Ray Charles, John Coltrane, Billie Holiday, Charlie Parker, Al Green, James Brown, Thelonious Monk, and Sun Ra.

Yes, some of these gods are/were junkies; but not all junkies are/were gods.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 00:57:49 (EDT)
From: bill burke
Email: None
To: All
Subject: House of cards-(ot)
Message:
I regret to inform you that 14 european central banks and even the english central bank have announced they will restrict
gold sales and 'gold lending' for 5 years.

To keep this from being a huge post, let me
try and nutshell it.
Gold, Silver, and other, monetary items,(Yen),ect.
have been the core falsely manipulated
basis for the global monetary system.
This poorly understood hidden protected corner
of the financial world was defended by central
banks and others. The underlying false
manipulation was a game with many reasons for
being. The announcement is, due to exposure,
the game is up. The fallout?
Extremely bearish for the US dollar and it's
financial markets.
The multi trillion dollar derivitive market is
another part of the financial world that is
poorly understood. What do you need to know?
That it's underpinnings are about to blow.

When you hear about the price of gold and silver
going up, just know that derivitives are being
disrupted from stem to stern.

I thought that Y2K was one stupid blunder too many
for our global lifestyle. This ponzi scheme
of central banks manipulating metal priceing
and building debt structure on those prices
is just so beyond that I am fried. Really freaked.

If you have investments, sell them and buy silver.
Not paper silver, something the market will want
to give you, but actual silver.
The markets dont care about the repercussions,
they feed on thier children if that is the
profitable thing.
Unfortunately, the bubble has this false bottom
and the word is out, it is the twilight of the
dollar.

If you want my full advice, sell everything now.
Includeing your home. Put it in silver.
Get a job in a crucial part of the economy.
If you cook in a restaurant, find a cook job
where it is not subject to recession or worse.
Same town, but solid enterprise.

Some say that y2k is the end of the world as
we know it. Nope, it is this.

Having shared my freakout with you, because there
was advice that is useful, keep mind that
if you lower your debt exposure now, and have
a good attitude, like say, I love life, and I
will try to find joy with others and things I
like, taking on the word 'detachment' from
CD :), try to separate your self from identifying with the problems and 'adjustments' others
are having to make in the wake of this as it
eventually gets felt.

Hey! it's better for the endangered species
and global planetary issues that we get tossed
off our bulldozers and have to change.
Cant say it is an act of GOD!!
Y2k and central bank Ponzi schemes are man made
flub ups. What is with this dang DNA in our
brains?

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 01:49:48 (EDT)
From: Alan Greenspin
Email: None
To: bill burke
Subject: Easy Does It, Bill
Message:
Bill,

If you are really that worried I would advise you to simply give me all of your money and assets and I will watch over them until after the calamity.

Now, let's get down to it. First, silver has been losing and closed today around $5.50 which within about the same range as it has been all year (See A nice chart.

Now, Gold has indeed risen since Sept 1999 from $250 to about $320. Hmmm, seems that I was correct that there would be a Y2K rush on this commodity.

However, Bill, you must understand that the world economy has long ago left the gold and silver system and those items have become mere commodities like any other commodity.

The derivatives of which you speak provide liquidity to the markets. In fact, everything is a derivative. It is all derived from the world economies ability to provide goods and services - that's all that matters. As long as people need food, shelter, clothing and what not there will be an economy.

Look at the price of food commodities. Stable for years. Crude oil at $20 a bbl.

Ok, so what you've got work camps run like prison camps in third world countries to make dresses for our women. So what! Do you know what a woman is like if she can't have a pretty dress? So what if those children go blind by the time their fifteen. Bill, we've got an economy to run here, not a daycare.

Bill, mark my words - Y2K will probably be a non-event. Idiots like Gary North and Art Bell might have made a bundle of money by selling fear, but the economy will march on. There will be problems, but most likely will be in the third world or Russia. I suspect that Russia can not get any more feudal than it already is. At most there will be a disruption in commodity or clothing shipments from the third world.

Also, consider that the GPS satellites survived their own Y2K and that data is already being entered into systems that go into the year 2000 and there have not been many big problems.

As far as embedded controllers - nah, I don't think so. I may not know that much about them, but I'm not too sure that many of them are date driven.

Just last night I read on the web a claim of a software vendor that said his software has always been Y2K compliant. Well, if you think and understand about his software you will come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter because his application did nothing whatsoever with dates.

So, don't worry, be happy. If you really want to stock up on a commodity in the worst case scenario that commodity will be 9 mm rounds and shotgun shells. With those items the world is yours!

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 02:56:04 (EDT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Alan Greenspin
Subject: A.G.
Message:
I just stopped back in having had second thoughts about
posting that.
However, the idea that gold has been 'de monitized' is over.
lack of market process in the priceing of gold
silver ect. by market manipulation
by the Central banks and others, has changed.

The massive ballooning of debt on underlying structural
problems has put the system at risk.
The Japanese at the start of the year signaled thier
intention to internationalize the Yen and make it
like the Euro and the dollar.
The action by the european banks will lessen the manipulation of gold prices by those banks and the markets
will react. Hedge funds and derivitive players are
heavily tied to the pricing of the formerly solidly
controlled price valuations of those metals.
The bankers action, taken for self preservation, partially
restores golds monetary role and turns them more away
from the dollar as a reserve currency.
The debt heavy US, has been at the forefront of holding
gold down and pushing paper as payment.
The bloated and excessive amount of US debt, burdening
the global trading partners with US debt, is now vulnerable
to currency traders and others now that the European banks
have taken the self protecting position they have.

Gold 'lending' a false construct of 15 years, was and is
a financial method that was a real gamble.
The hunt brothers lost 2 billion dollars trying to
bring market factors to the metal markets.
But, the game has changed, Warren Buffet has taken a big
position in silver because he can see that the control
structure is caving under the debt weight and the
vulnerability of the system underlying the metals market.
Unfortunatly, trillions of derivitives are tied into
the formerly stable system that the european banks
just bailed out of.

I say, market players will be unable to stop themselves
from trying to cash in on the metals market that is just
now entering the real supply and demand world and not
the tightly controlled low price arena it has been.

Market forces entering that market spells major disruption
for the hedge funds and derivitive players that tied
themselves into it. The european central bankers
had to just face reality and even Britain! went over to
the -other side- and did the surprising deed of turning
with regret against the american situation.

If investors ignore all this and stay out of the metals
markets, that would be good for stability, but how likely
is that?
If the gold market is no longer being manipulated by
the central banks completely, that is very bad news for the
US.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 10:53:11 (EDT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: Off your OT
Message:
BB, You never call you never write. Actually, was it really you that wrote me a couple weeks ago with a n mail address or did I send a letter to the monitors?
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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 00:51:13 (EDT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Re: Off your OT
Message:
Hi Susan, I thought I wrote and said I was going to
be out of town for a week or so.
I got back but my mind was fixated on the imploding
of the gold derivitive world. It is a real huge story
that combined with a lot of other financial stories
will make this era something that economists will
talk about forever.

I think I get the picture, I wont bother to write
more about it although I learned much more than I have
written. I figure that as of about now, 12 oclock,
I would start a new habit of shunning the inner circle
financial world and pull back from other subjects
I follow and declare a few month holiday from the
worlds concerns.
Hell, I missed decades of the stuff when the lord was
shineing on the alter and at the festivals.
-the world-the mind- leave it all behind!

Well, I'm in the mood for that.
I like our lifestyles.
Alan Greenspan and the federal reserve will get
the historical blame for what is coming. Although media
and players in the casino say he is brilliant.
Among other vast missteps, the NY fed is right in the
thick of the gold leasing/derivitive mess and the US is in
the train tracks and the horns are blowing and no one
can move. Even if we credit expansion our way past the
next few months, the party is over and the cleanup will
take generations. Sorry Susan, now you can see why I cant
email right now... I'm obsessed with this. Give me another
week and I will make the break from these subjects and
just resign myself to ignoreing it.
I promise myself that.

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 23:08:34 (EDT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: thanks Bill
Message:
I am fine if you do not write. I just wanted to make sure I had not been hoodwinked.

Sorry, the only thing I am good at with money is spending it. Ask my hubby, he'll tell you :)

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 21:29:59 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Open your mind a bit, CD
Message:
In the discussion below that got into 'detachment', Chris offered that his words might sound dry at times but that that wasn't necessarily a reflection of his real feelings. Something like that. Anyway, with love and kindness I suggested that:

'Chris, your words sound dry because you're afraid to be a real person. You're a premie cut-out.'

to which Chris replied:

You are an ass. Clear enough.

Chris, while it well might be the case that I am an ass, clearly even, I really challenge you to think a little harder on this one. Ass or not, Chris, I'm not the only one who laughs at you here. I mean, read that post about you drunk in the bar at the urinal, for God's sake. That wasn't me, Chris. Other people find you amazingly wooden and phony too. Hey, Chris, from your comment above it would seem that you give even yourself that impression!

Now, Chris, why, just why, do you think that is?

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 19:17:50 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: How can anyone trust Sanford Pass?
Message:
So it appears that Pass has been posting under a fake name again, this time 'General Manager'. What a creep, is all I can say. A creep and a liar. Did you se how GM said that he wasn't a premie but had merely had a 'brief flirtation' with m and k? Yeah, he's a liar alright.

Tell us all about the precious widdow widdow wuns, you creep!

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 11:41:00 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: All
Subject: All: False accusation by ex-premie forgiven by premie...and then what happened?
Message:
Now that the confusion is over regarding the fact that I did not post as General Manager as Jim assumed and accused me of, I'd just like to share a few thoughts on the subject.

1) Just because someone comes on strong doesn't make them right or true or accurate. Don't be snowed by brute force. check the facts.
2) If someone can be wrong about one thing, they can be wrong about many things, if the basic premise is flawed.
3) Jumping to conclusions about someone based on assumptions, circumstances and hearsay is not very bright and can cause many unnecessary problems for both parties involved.
4) It is best to be sure of what we say if we want to get to the truth about anything, even if the message is that 'you are sure you are not sure', rather than to condemn like a wrecking ball with the wrong address to demolish.

Shp

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 19:44:04 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: Re: All: False accusation by ex-premie forgiven by premie...and then what happened?
Message:
Jeez Shp, I actually thought you were going to be magnanimous about this and accept Jim's prompt apology with a degree of 'detachment.'

After all, you do have a reputation of using aliases in the past. And someone did call GM 'shp' and you didn't object like you usually do when someone 'takes your name in vain.'

No, you just couldn't resist turning this simple mistake into a platform for moralising.

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Date: Thurs, Oct 14, 1999 at 08:26:02 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: Reply to Gerry
Message:
Gerry,

I don't think that the magnanimity of my reply was diminished by pointing out the fact that people need to be careful about what they buy into, and not be snowed by a domineering personality.
I accepted his apology without question. If I had questioned his sincerity or not let go of it with him, then I would have been wrong. And I did not experience the act of 'moralizing' when I summarized the event, but rather very practical and down-to-earth. I was not coming from a moralizing place inside, but from a place of wanting communications to be clear and accurate.

Gerry, I am deatailing this out to you because I have a degree of respect for you and appreciate our recent communications.

Shp

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Date: Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 01:17:44 (EDT)
From: GM
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: Re: Reply to Gerry
Message:
I forgot what it was we respected about old gerry; oh I remember. Remember that we closed the cheque account because of Y2K and stuffed the mattress full of money. Say hi to the missus and I'll be home soon, and I'll massage that sore back.
GMSHP
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Date: Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 12:04:34 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: GM
Subject: whatever, Harry (NT)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 19:24:25 (EDT)
From: GM
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Hi Gerry,Damn browser..NT
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 14:47:25 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: Ok, were you posting as Deputy Dog? (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 17:12:28 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: barney
Subject: Re: No pseudonuyms this time around
Message:
Barney,

I have been on this forum in two separate time frames. During the first one many moons ago, I did post under a wild variety of pseudonym to prove a point, and then I outted myself. Then I wsent away for awhile and recently started posting and reading again. This time around, I have not posted and do not intend to post under any other name but Shp. Now we return to our regularly scheduled broadcast.

Shp

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 19:44:55 (EDT)
From: Gm
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: let's get real
Message:
Not so fast there partner, brother, soul buddy. I've been thinking on it, and I may be sure that I'm not sure, that I may in fact be you. The more I think about it though, the more I'm convinced that you may be me. I wouldn't lie about something as important as this.
GMSHP
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Date: Thurs, Oct 14, 1999 at 08:35:20 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Gm
Subject: We are all one, but we have our individual identities and bodies.
Message:
For the sake any confused readers, you are goofing around and we are one being only in the most cosmic sense of the word, in which case anyone reading this is also part of us too. But if you really insist that we are one and the same person, please forward your checking account routing number. Thanks,
Shp
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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 21:23:11 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Easily, for I did not post as GM or anyone this time around.
Message:
Jim,
I don't owe you or anyone an answer to your accusation, but in the interest of truth I must say I have not posted under any other name but Shp since I have been back. What makes you think that I posted as GM? All bullshit and differences aside and pinky promise, I did not post as GM
Shp
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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 21:32:39 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: If I'm wrong, I'm really quite sorry
Message:
Shp,

Must be those drugs. I could have sworn I saw Joey call you Shp, you not deny it and the conversation continue as if it wasn't really any big secret. Anyway, I shouldn't have jumped the gun, I guess. Sorry again.

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 21:40:22 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: No biggie
Message:
Jim,
OK apology accepted.
Now back to our regularly scheduled program, YOU FUCK!
(hohoho just trying to relate to you and speak your language).
Just think, if you are wrong about this, then you could be wrong about other stuff too......
Now if I wasn't experiencing deatchment, I wouldn't be able to be so congenial with you.
Shp
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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 17:26:54 (EDT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Is Buchanan the Antichrist?(ot)
Message:
Anybody else following this guy Pat Buchanan saying Hitler never meant the USA any harm [I guess at least until 1941 when he suddenly decided to declare war on us] and the USA shouldn't have entered WWII?

Buchanan considers himself a 'historian' but doesn't he know that as Chancellor in the 1930s, Hitler was preparing for war on us and had schemed to establish bases in Spain and Portugal for a fleet of super battleships designed for war with the US? It was supposed to be a 'Thousand Year Reich' after all, and Hitler considered the USA an economic threat. And what about his plans for the 'Amerika Bomber' designed to drop five-ton bombs on New York City, as well as his atomic program?

Buchanan also talks about how much he 'admired' Hitler. How come the press will let a supposed Presidential candidate get away with this? Is it because he is a 'journalist' himself? It's really rank revisionism he is engaging in, but I guess he's not worried. He knows CNN will keep his seat warm for him.

But Buchanan never could get more than about 30% of the vote in a republican primary, so maybe he wasn't much to worry about, but now there is the Reform Party and it looks like it will be Pat Buchanan v. Donald Trump for the Reform Party nomination. Is this a joke? If it wasn't so scary we might be laughing.

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 20:31:47 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Re: Is Buchanan the Antichrist?(ot)
Message:
I think it could be a case of no publicity is bad publicity. How better to get your name on the news, in the papers and talked about all over the place than to make outspoken, wild and untrue statements which go against the majority but which gel with a tiny minority of right-wing opinion?

Self publicity usually has a hidden agenda and usually it is the aquisition of money through business deals etc. Infamy and notoriety have their advantages.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 14:15:20 (EDT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: Is Buchanan the Antichrist?(ot)
Message:
Buchanan has always milked controversy for publicity, but now he is trying to get the Reform Party nomination, and if there is one thing the USA has a consensus about, it was that our participation in WWII was the right thing to do. Saying those things wouldn't seem to be helping his cause.

But what I find infuriating is the free ride Buchanan gets from the press. He isn't written off as a right-wing nut, like almost anyone else would be if they said such stupid stuff. I think it's because he is from the 'news elite' that he gets away from it and is even defended and will go back from his presidential campaign to his job on Crossfire on CNN.

What is especially stupid about his ideas, which are mostly racist, anti-semetic and isolationist, is that after saying it wasn't necessary for the US to enter WWII, he defends our indefensible war in Vietnam, which he said was an appropriate war of 'containment', setting aside that it was a miserable failure, killed over 3,000,000 people and left a country at least partly ecologically destroyed.

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 23:01:41 (EDT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: He's such a *nice* guy!!(nt)
Message:
Hi JW
I haven't been around here in awhile but I couldn't resist reading your post on Buchanan and Lee's post on the weird sex cult! OY! There was an article about Pat Buchanan's book tour in the Washington Post the other day. I remember Pat so fondly from the speech about 'taking back our culture' at the Republican convention--remember that? according to this article, Pat is quite the congenial gentleman, extremely polite, easy to talk to, blah blah. He used to be quite the pit bull but has toned that down. Apparently he is quite smart too, I have never seen him on the talk show on CNN but seems he has a chair for life on it. I honestly think his congeniality and brains are why he is not laughed out of town for this incredible talk about how we shouldn't have gotten involved in WWll.
What do you think about the new biography 'Dutch' on Reagan? Are you planning to read it?. It is the talk of DC, let me tell you!
My daughter and I are reading the Harry Potter books! They are great! The Reagan biography is supposed to be great--according to me brainy sister
Hope you are well
Helen
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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 21:59:52 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Lest we forget
Message:
Every picture tells a story and let's not forget that this is how it was for millions of Jews, Gypsies, dissidents and disabled people in Europe in the thirties and forties.

The above linked picture was not taken from a film. This is a genuine photo of real life in Europe under the Nazi jackboot.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 13:07:24 (EDT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: Lest we forget
Message:
Thanks for that picture, Dave. Those leering, jeering faces in the background are at least as chilling as what's in the foreground.

A couple of years ago I had the good fortune of visiting the National Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. The whole museum is very amazing, but there is a part of the exhibit in which you actually are able to have a simulated, but pretty terrifying, experience of the what is was like. I think it's an important place for people to visit.

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 18:52:32 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: JW
Subject: Yes. (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 12:56:38 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Facist Buchanan
Message:
Hi Joe. I couldn't agree with you more about Buchanan. I've been alarmed about the amount of seemingly non-judgmental press coverage he gets too. He's worse than David Duke, the KKK guy who is a consistent office seeker in Louisiana, and the press is always all over Duke. Buchanan is trying to legitimize Hitler's views in part -- and that's the first step towards embracing his views in whole. None of it is acceptable! NONE. He needs a taste of ACT UP or something.

Did you see the angels who showed up for the beginning of the trial of Matthew Shepard's accused murderers? The angels were great. And of course Falwell's cyber appearance in GG Park? Now that was a good use of pie!

Love, fellow traveller Marianne

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 20:33:57 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Buchanan is god!
Message:
or was. (Roy, that is.)
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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 20:40:08 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Ha, ha, made me look!
Message:
Oh Ger, you're such a card! How are you?

Did you give a call to the Big Guy to say hi & ask about Jagdeo, $$$$, that big sale of Visions inventory?

Love, Marianne

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 23:04:33 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Stole yer mother's pocketbook!!!
Message:
I knew that would getcha, Marianne.

And I'm ready to place my very first order to Visions when they FINALLY GET THERE SHIT TOGETHER!!!

PS Are you physic or something? You always seem to reach me right after I've taken a big swing on el bongo. Oh well, I was a bongo premie, old habits die hard...

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 23:52:44 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Bongo
Message:
Gerry: I thought a bongo was a two headed drum that beatniks pounded. How would one take a swing or was that swig on one?

And yes, I am incredibly psychic. Catweasel is coming to the USA to visit you because he thinks you're the webmaster and he just can't stand being censored anymore.

Tell Patty to keep you away from the bongos!

Love, Innocent Marianne

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 02:52:52 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Another SECURITY Tip
Message:
Well, this one might be the big one. In my doing a new system configuration I failed to protect myself and left a hole open. I just hope that Maharaji and the quality people he has retained on his staff didn't hack my computer and get all the strategic documents we wrote up for the lawsuit.

I was turned onto this link and ran a check on my system and found out that I was very open to hacker attacks. Basically, I had left my system wide open and they could have done anything.

It comes down to being big daddy Microsoft's fascist know-it-all attitude coupled with their inability to let go of old bloat code that is crap and just adding more and more instead of really fixing the underlying problems.

Briefly, the source of the problem is Microsoft's automatic inclusion of the NetBEUI, the Client for Microsoft Networks protocol along with the Internet TCP/IP protocol.

Steve Gibson (see below) says the best thing to do if you (especially if you have only one computer) do not need to share files and printers is to remove Client for Microsoft Networks. You don't need it for the Internet.

So, check out GRC aka Gibson Research Corp. run by Steve Gibson who sounds like a real nice guy.

Step One find the box titled SHIELDS UP and click on the link named CLICK HERE!

In the new page SCROLL DOWN until you find the form button labeled TEST MY SHIELDS ! in the blue box. Click it and wait.

A new page opens up and tells you the status of your machine.

Hopefully, after Step 1 'Attempting connection to your computer' it says Unable to connect to your computer. If not you might be open to letting hackers in and you should follow Steve's instructions on how to tighten it up and then retest.

Step 2 if you failed the above:

Goto the Evil Port Monitor page and scroll down until you find the blue box with the button labelled Probe Me ! and click.

View the results and it will show you just how bad your security hole is.

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 04:17:50 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: barney
Subject: It's not the hacker viri that I'm worried about...
Message:
It's the goddamn Service Packs from goddamn f**king Microsoft that has my machine all f**ked up.

I hate you, Microsoft! Test this shit before it goes out the door! And if I call you up to report your problem it costs me $165 a minute or some fabulous amount of money that goes to your greedy cult leader.

I pray for the day when your evil empire crumbles!

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Date: Thurs, Oct 14, 1999 at 01:19:20 (EDT)
From: Blackdog
Email: None
To: barney
Subject: Try this
Message:
Same happened to me after downloading their patches. Turned out to be corrupt winsock.dll & wsock32.dll files. Reinstall them from your CDROM (assuming its not crackware [joke]).
You sound like you know your stuff, but for others with same problem procedure is:

Create Win98 StartUp disk: (control panel/add-remove programs/StartUp Disk/create) follow prompts

Reboot to DOS,

cd\windows [enter]
ren winsock.dll winsock.old [enter]
cd\windows\system [enter]
ren wsock32.dll wsock32.old [enter]

Install StartUp floppy & reboot to dos, follow prompts
Put Win98 CDROM in (eg)E drive.

a:\extract /a E:\win98\precopy1.cab wsock32.dll /L c:\windows\system

a:\extract /a E:\win98\precopy1.cab winsock.dll /L c:\windows

C:\
win
or reboot

Any problems extracting files, then reverse rename:
C:\[enter]
cd\windows
ren winsock.old winsock.dll [enter]
cd\windows\system [enter]
ren wsock32.old wsock32.dll [enter]
reboot to windows

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 05:13:34 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: barney
Subject: Re: It's not the hacker viri that I'm worried about...
Message:
Here, Here! I've noticed that my Hotmail email address (which is owned by Microsoft) gets tons of junk mail even though I have specifically requested no junk mail from their email options. They send it anyway.

On my Yahoo email, I get absolutely NO junk email at all.

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 05:18:10 (EDT)
From: Thick as a plank
Email: None
To: barney
Subject: Re: Another SECURITY Tip
Message:
Is 'NetBEUI' another one of those online beauty pagents like Miss Anything Goes?
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Date: Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 21:49:59 (EDT)
From: Surreal SImon
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Thus spoke CD
Message:
We have a new avatar in our midst. Dear brothers and sisters, forget Lao Tzu, Buddha and all the countless swarmis (including Swarmi Keith). Because there is new wisdom in our company and a new way, a new beginning and a new future.

Verily I say unto you, O lucky, lucky people, we have found what we have been searching for and a new prophet has arisen; a new master of words and wisdom, of the deeper arts of communication has been born.

Hear ye, hear ye O children of the light, for here is wisdom, here is reverence, here is knowledge and here is CD:

'I find the focus on the feeling of life to be extremely correct. There are certainly also daily details of subsistence to be dealt with.'

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 02:04:29 (EDT)
From: Barthusa
Email: None
To: Surreal SImon
Subject: while forgetting to tap
Message:
The blues band is blasting through the walls to the
mens room at the San Diego red white and blues bar and grill

CD, standing at the urinal, breathing deep, waves of
intoxication from the last vodka shot going from the blood to the brain cells, each dying brain cell gasping out
it's last synapse shot into the brain, coming
together enough to control the fingers writing on the
stall wall, 'I find the focus on the feeling of life...
(dont want to give away the techniques by saying breath!!)
...is extremely uh, correct!

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Date: Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 19:15:22 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Hey Url?
Message:
In the post below is a link to the Journey I mentioned to you. Turns out it's Bob's, not John's, although he mentions John.
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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 18:51:57 (EDT)
From: URL
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Hey Url?
Message:
If this is the way you run your cases in the courtroom Jim, I hope I never get into trouble in Victoria and you're the legal aid lawyer they saddle me with.

First, what is the credibility of the John, Bob or whatever the guy's name is? Answer: None established. And none needed because in this kangaroo court NO ONE is accountable for ANYTHING. Is it possible that some less than scrupulous person made the whole story up? Answer: Totally possible, nothing to prevent it.

Second, is there any corroboration of the story? I mean surely there must be others who could back it up if it really happened, especially if this was a common tactic of Raja'ji's 'henchmen'? Answer: Nobody yet, and this item has been on the board now for over a week. Of course you have to ask the question, if there were would they be any more credible than Bob?

So that brings me to the question you've dodged since last week: If you were to be held accountable for Bob or whomever's statement -- as you should having made certain claims -- would you accept personal liability for it? That is if it came to that, do you have enough confidence in Bob's story to put your own assets (assuming you have have any) on the line? And if you are dishonest enough to say yes, do tell us what gives you such a warm and fuzzy feeling about Bob.

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 00:16:54 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Re: Hey Url? Lets Talk Make Believe
Message:
So, no one here has any credibility or its all possibly fake

lets see:
all possibly fake claims at ex-premie.org = m must be lord and telling the truth or as stated above a=b

How much money have you given to him? To EV? How is it spent? EV is a non-profit do they disclose to the BBB like most established charities? why not? Are the books of the cahrity open to anyone who wants to donate. Or is the money moving around so secret that you/ev don't want people to know what they are doing? Why. isn't it legal? Isn't it above board? Why doesn't EV follow the rules? If everything that eV an M are doing is legal and above board why don't they publish thier annual report?

The failure to behave properly leads one to believe they are hiding something.

I think its time the BBB looked into it and published an advisory. They are a fair neutral party. In vite em down to the office. Show them the books. If they give EV a clean bill of health publish it here.

Put your proof to the test.

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Date: Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 19:19:19 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: And here's the link
Message:
And here's an excerpt. I should let you know I talked with Bob and later even with John whose number Bob gave me. I found them both entirely credible-sounding but then, you never really know, eh Url? Anyway, you say you were there. Fine. Tell us, the, how much of this story is a lie, will you please?

When GM and Marolyn married, all hell broke loose.

During this time, I had moved into my own apartment in Venice and became friends with members of Blue Aquarius....Bhole Ji's jazz big band. Some of the members were living in apartments in Venice, but Bhole Ji and other band members were renting a recording studio in Malibu called Shangri La. The place had separate motel-like cabins, but there were not enough to house all the band members.

When the split occurred, Bhole Ji and Bal Bhagwan Ji sided with Mata Ji against GM and Raja Ji. Mata Ji declared that GM had been seduced by maya and had lost his divine spark.

So crazy was it that Raja Ji's security team swooped down on Bhole Ji and the band in Malibu with guns and tire irons. Luckily no one, to my recollection, was hurt. But the band members split very quickly....this was during the time that the Paul McCartney album and song 'Band on the Run' was popular...it was number one on the charts in May 1974...so it was totally appropriate. The band left in a couple of cars and vans and split for Oregon and the Crater Lake area.

Just prior to the split, people who I had lived with in the premie house and I had become aware of a lot of goings on behind the scenes that were not appropriate. It was common knowledge, for example, that GM's first U.S. visit was financed by a hashish deal that premies had made. Reportedly, an entire table of carved hashish -- that was shellacked to look like wood -- was smuggled in, then broken apart and sold to finance the place trip for GM and some of his Mahatmas. Most of us being ex-hippies shrugged our shoulders as the idea of good smoke financing GM's visit.

But there were other things that were even more disturbing that eventually caused us to leave the DLM.

John had secretly taped recorded some conversations that he heard over the phone at GM's Sunset Blvd. house. There was a five-button phone...and when GM went into another room to take calls, John secretly tape recorded some of GM's private conversations from the front sitting room.

One of these calls included GM talking about a mahatma that had raped a woman at an ashram in the East Coast of the U.S. Another call was GM talking about smuggling money in a suitcase into the U.S. over the Canadian border to support his now growing extravagant lifestyle. Him saying that he needed the money....

John brought those tapes back to us and played them for us, and we just flipped out. We could not believe the extent of the corruption that had infiltrated the Divine Light Mission. The marriage to Marolyn Johnson was the straw the broke the camel's back.

We wrote a letter from us concerned premies and mailed to ashrams world wide, basically outlining the facts that things were not as they appeared. This was not 'lila' as some would called it, but it was downright criminal activity that was occurring. We now know that this letter never made it to the premies in the ashrams.

We were literally excommunicated, but we had all decided to leave DLM, to support Mata Ji, Bal Bhagwan Ji and Bhole Ji . . . but most definitely to leave DLM.

John continued to work with Mata Ji and the rest of the family....helping to get them safely out of the country. We met with Bal Bhagwan Ji and Bhole Ji a couple of times...wtih members of the band.
Bob's Journey

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 12:31:26 (EDT)
From: Phred
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Band on the Run
Message:
I was there in 74, I was a lowly 17 year old premie at the time. One day my friend and I rode our motorcycles to the divine residence on Sunset Blvd, my friend knew somebody there so we had an excuse. I was wandering around the grounds because no one divine was there at the time, and looked in one of the cars outside of the garage in the back (a Masarati?). There was a tape of 'Band on the Run' sitting on the passenger seat. I thought it was wierd that the Lord would listen to earthly music...
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Date: Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 20:11:31 (EDT)
From: Brains & NoBalls, Fiction Dept.
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Needs Work
Message:
Not a bad piece of fiction Jim, but here's a better example. Keep up the efforts though, and we'll publish you one day.

'It was the work of a maniac,' declared Vance, with unwonted sobriety. 'Oh, not the conventional maniac who imagines he's Napoleon, but a madman with a brain so colossal that he has carried sanity to a, humanly speaking, -reductio in absurdum-to a point, that is, where humor itself becomes a formula in four dimensions.'
Markham smoked vigorously, lost in speculation. 'I hope Heath doesn't find anything,' he said at length.
'Why in Heaven's name?' returned Vance. 'If there's no material evidence that Robin met his end in the archery-room, it'll only make the problem more difficult legally.'
But the material evidence was forthcoming. The Sergeant returned a few minutes later, crestfallen but excited. 'Damn it, Mr. Vance!' be blurted. 'You had the dope all right.' He made no attempt to keep the admiration out of his look. 'There isn't any actual blood on the floor; but there's a dark place on the cement where somebody's scrubbed it with a wet rag today some time. It ain't dry yet; and the place right near the door, where you said. And what makes it more suspicious is that one of those rugs has been pulled over it. But that don't let Sperling out altogether,' he added pugnaciously. 'He mighta shot Robin indoors.'
'And then cleaned up the blood, wiped off the bow and arrow, and placed the body and the bow on the range, before making his departure? ... Why? . . . Archery, to begin with, isn't an indoor sport, Sergeant. And Sperling knows too much about it to attempt murder with a bow and arrow. A hit such as the one that ended Robin's uneventful career would have been a pure fluke. Teucer himself couldn't have achieved it with any degree of certainty-and, ac- cording to Homer, Teucer was the champion archer of the Greeks.'
As he spoke Pardee passed down the ball on his way out. He had nearly reached the front door when Vance rose suddenly and went to the archway.
'Oh, I say, Mr. Pardee. Just a moment, please.'
The man turned with an air of gracious cornpliance.
'There is one other question we'd like to ask you,' said Vance. ' You mentioned seeing Mr. Sperling and Beedle leave here this morning by the wall gate. Are you sure you saw no one else use the gate?'
'Quite sure. That is, I don't recall any one else.'
'I was thinking particularly of Mr. Drukker.'
'Oh, Drukker?' Pardee shook his head with mild emphasis. 'No, I would have remembered him. But you realize a dozen people might have entered and left this house without my noticing them.'

.......to be continued

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Date: Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 21:18:40 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Brains & NoBalls, Fiction Dept.
Subject: It was common knowledge
Message:
I was an ashram premie in 1974 and it was common knowledge, even in the UK, that dope deals had been used to finance Maharaji's mission in the West. We considered it no more than the Lord's lila at that time.
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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 02:01:41 (EDT)
From: Blackdog
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: It was common knowledge
Message:
So here we have support & validation?

I think not. It's a trap, perhaps unintentional, but subtley there for the viewing public.

'Jim' posts a statement claiming it to be a 'true' story from a person or persons known to him.

'Sir Dave' posts a statement claiming it to be common knowledge.

But what is really happening? We are seduced into thinking these are two real, honest people relating historical facts. What we should be seeing is two cgi files containing different entries in the Posted By:, Browser Type: and Message: fields - the latter containing stuff we are supposed to believe, the first two containing the words 'Jim' or 'Sir Dave' and 'Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95; Snap.home.1)' or 'Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt; TFIA-ZDNET) ' respectively.

This makes you believe they are two real people? Really? And THAT makes you believe that what is being written in that message field is true?

Is not the first action in a courtroom to establish the identity of the witness giving evidence? How, then, would it be seen if every 'witness' had in thier possession a device for fabricating fake Id's? How admissible would that 'evidence' then become?

If you think this analogy is irrelevant, then tell me this: Why are you writing this stuff in a medium which is easily accessed by the general public and press, if not to put Maharaji on trial in a virtual courtroom, in which the 'Posted By's' are the so-called witnesses?

I call my next witness......

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 12:39:53 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Blackdog
Subject: Stop whining, doggie
Message:
Jim and Dave are real people, with real addresses and phone numbers (which have been posted online). I'm sure Jim wouldn't mind if you gave him a call (am I right, Jim?)

The exes who identify themselves on the forum are, in so doing, making themselves accountable for whatever they write. I don't see any premies placing that degree of faith in their own convictions, or in their Master, do you?

As to your silly whimper that: Why are you writing this stuff in a medium which is easily accessed by the general public and press, if not to put Maharaji on trial in a virtual courtroom, in which the 'Posted By's' are the so-called witnesses?

I understand that in the USA the burden of proof in libel cases lies with the aggrieved (ie. 'libelled') party, and I suspect there are some very good reasons that, in spite of his being able to afford the very best lawyers in the land, M has never brought a libel motion against any of his ex-followers.

Why not?

The best reason I can think of is that the exes with the information are telling the truth. And, as Susan once put it, 'telling the truth is never libel...'

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 15:05:58 (EDT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Doggie sounds like a disinformation specialist
Message:
It seems to me that from time to time these so-called impartial and reasonable premies appear here for the purpose of posting disinformation as the Blackdog has. Sort of like planting a little seed of doubt.

And they always say that this is their first visit and they are leaving and have no plans to return.

Maybe I'm just paranoid?

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 02:08:21 (EDT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Blackdog
Subject: Get a reality check, Blackdogged
Message:
Blackdog, on what planet were you housebroken?

Come on, dog. I'm working on my Akashic Records Viewer and it will be online any day now. Until then we can only read what people post and test it with our suspicion and decide for ourselves as to the validity and reliability.

The Blue Aquaris story sounds a bit out there, but falls in line with other things we've heard about Raja Ji and his double-not security schemes like bugging offices in England.

I, too, have heard stories about the early days financed with drug money and personally knew someone who was most likely involved who later did serve time for drug dealing. In fact, there was a lot of drug dealing that I know of until the late 70's. And all those programs in Miami was rather convenient for a lot of folks. Now, whether Maharaji himself was involved I don't know. However, it would suspect that he received proceeds from these operations directly or indirectly.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 02:23:22 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Re: Get a reality check, Blackdogged
Message:
Don't waste your typing on him, Roger. Blackdog is our friend Rob in another one of his pro Maharaji acts. I am convinced of that now. I don't know who Bluebeard is though and I only guessed he might be you because of the sailor type name. He's not written enough for me to get anything.
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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 02:33:05 (EDT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Man, I don't know who these people are
Message:
Honestly, I don't know who Rob is or who Blackdog is or whatever. It was so much easy when my partner, barney, was the evil webmaster and he told me everything. This guys writing style is not as smooth as Rob's.
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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 14:15:46 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Blackdog
Subject: Trial? What trial?
Message:
Why are you writing this stuff in a medium which is easily accessed by the general public and press, if not to put Maharaji on trial in a virtual courtroom, in which the 'Posted By's' are the so-called witnesses?

I, personally, really don't think about the general public or press when I'm posting. I post because it feels good to have an opportunity to speak freely my misgivings about M & K. Before this forum, there was no such outlet available.

I'm here for me, Blackdog, primarily, and for anybody who might identify with the feelings and thoughts I express about my experience as a premie.

If it wasn't for ex-premie.org, you'd think that only joy and happiness exist in Maharaji's world. The truth is that's not so. Maharaji's world is one of illusion that can be very difficult to break free from without the help of those who have already done so.

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 02:03:53 (EDT)
From: Jim2
Email: None
To: Blackdog
Subject: Re: It was common knowledge
Message:
Yeah, it's true, the man did it, your honor...
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Date: Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 20:20:01 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Brains & NoBalls, Fiction Dept.
Subject: Re: Needs Work
Message:
Well, well, well, another anonymous premie. What a surprise!

Okay, I didn't make up nothing. Why would you think that? Were you there when Blue Aquarius dsibanded? What's your version?

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Date: Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 19:36:46 (EDT)
From: Blackdog
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: And here's the link
Message:
John had secretly taped recorded some conversations that he heard over the phone at GM's Sunset Blvd. house. There was a five-button phone...and when GM went into another room to take calls, John secretly tape recorded some of GM's private conversations from the front sitting room.

So where are the tapes now? Conveniently lost or perhaps stolen by the supposed heavies?

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Date: Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 19:44:06 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Blackdog
Subject: Re: And here's the link
Message:
So where are the tapes now? Conveniently lost or perhaps stolen by the supposed heavies?

Beats me. I'm just guessing but I'd bet they don't have them twenty-five years later. But tell me, what do you think? Do you think it's all a lie? See, it could be, but I've got to say both Bob and John sounded extremely straightforward and credible when we spoke. John's still into spiritual stuff. I figure he does think of himself as some sort of healer. Whatever. He's a fair bit older than us.

So what do you think anyway? Were you around then?

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Date: Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 20:27:53 (EDT)
From: Blackdog
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: And here's the link
Message:
Well I believed Clinton when he first said he hadn't had sex with Lewinsky, so go figure.

Does sound like a major crock of shit though, fabricated with the sole intent of libeling Maharaji, IMHO.

Like everything else I read here in the few days I've been doing so, it is all so insubstantial. You know, I could be you, you could be URL, we could all be one person talking to myself, if you get my drift.

I'd like to see 'John' publish his allegations in the national press. Failing that, I don't believe Maharaji has anything to be concerned about...online chatrooms are basically phoney, vapid places - (no offence) - and probably fairly worthless for the purpose you guys intend it.

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Date: Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 22:40:55 (EDT)
From: Bluebeard
Email: None
To: Blackdog
Subject: Another dumb premie
Message:
You know, I could be you, you could be URL, we could all be one person talking to myself, if you get my drift.

If you think that's a real possibility, you're stupid for being here. Then again, you're a premie. These kind of thought processes is par for the course. It just shows anybody who's paying attention how fucked up your head is from listening too much to your master. You really should give it a break. Please, man, while you've still got some brain cells left.

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 00:43:09 (EDT)
From: Blackdog
Email: None
To: Bluebeard
Subject: Re: Another dumb premie
Message:
You should have started that with 'Aaaaaagh, Jim lad!'

But seriously,

Your statement makes absolutely no sense. You miss the point, which is that everything written here cannot, by definition of the medium and processes involved, be taken with anything more than a grain of salt by outside observers.

Why? Take a step back and look at all the supposed 'different' persons posting here. Now tell me from that list of, say, 20 pseudonyms, how many different people are actually taking part? 20? 15? 30?

You can only be sure of 2 - yourself as one, and any other post you didn't write as the other. Even with the added priveleged knowledge of the Forum Administrator has only additional identifiers such as IP, Accept:filters and Referrer to distinguish posters apart.

Do you know how easy it is to fake all those? Very! Did you see another post of mine listing (some) of the thousands of proxys servers [ForAdmin - do you really think I live in Turkey?:)] and other useful tools?

So, Bluebeard, how do you know I am not also posting as URL, Jim, Catweasle et al? Really, I'd like to know how you conclude that I am stupid. How do you know I am not the Forum Administrator, assuming you are not he/she?

The truth is you don't. That's a simple fact of all chatrooms and has nothing to do with whether or not I am/was/never was a 'premie'.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 02:19:19 (EDT)
From: I am not the Forum Admin
Email: None
To: Blackdog
Subject: but I'll tell you this much
Message:
Blackdog, you think that you are so goddamn hip and smart about it all don't you. It's a fancy denial system you've got going.

I'll tell you this much about this Forum (no, I am not the Admin either) is that the Administrator currently has IP logging turned off. And this means that the Administrator of Forum IV doesn't have the ability to check IPs. Sure the Admin could turn it on or in a real emergency the Admin could ask the operators (Paradise) to look at their logs for IP addresses.

So, stop wasting your breath about IPs and there is no need to use a Proxy Server in Timbuktu. So, just lighten up and read the stuff for awhile and see what you think.

Try being simple.

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 00:17:45 (EDT)
From: Blackdog
Email: None
To: I am not the Forum Admin
Subject: Ankrara, actually not Timbuktu
Message:
Alright they're all stood around scratching their arses (the footballers on the telly) so I can answer one more.

I always surf the internet using a public proxy server. Let me say that again. I always surf the internet using a public proxy server.

I have very good reasons for doing so and if you bothered to read that post by barney up there and followed up on his advice to look into your own computer vulnerabilty, you might be half way to understanding why. Barney said he had left his computer open to hacking because of network file sharing. Believe me having some secret dossier nicked is the least of his worries I'm sure. Hopefully he updated all his virus software dats and ran a full scan and prayed he wasn't hit. BTW did you know there's a 3 line VB script which is undetectable and will totally trash your hard drive? It doesnt even qualify as a virus.

Using a proxy plus some shareware plugins is a cheap and totally reliable way of firewalling, as well as masking your rl id. If you don't care about that suit yourself but I do and I have reasons for staying anon which have nothing to do with this site. Like I said, I use Blackdog on other sites. Again you don't believe me, go to www.2600.com or www.hackcity.com and follow links to chatrooms and IRCs with your browser wide open and default settings. Hang around for a bit, cause some trouble maybe then let us know if your computer is still running a week from now.

Now you made me miss a touch down. Fuck you:)

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 07:11:27 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Blackdog
Subject: Come on, we know you're Rob
Message:
And you forget one major source of identification which is hard to hide; that of one's writing style. Also the ability to 'read between the lines' enables readers to get a good idea of where a person is at.

Write enough and you leave an indelable character print which is soon picked up by anyone perceptive enough to look beyond the words on the page.

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 22:43:44 (EDT)
From: Blackdog
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: I haven't had the pleasure..
Message:
...of reading Rob's posts, so I don't know if that's a compliment or not! I think I have seen a couple of others accuse(?) different people of being 'Rob', so presumably he's not too welcome here.

Anyway, rest assured I have never used that particular alias, for what it's worth. I have to admit to using more than one though, and in fact you and I are currently having a stimulating conversation elsewhere!

Either way, I hadn't planned on making a career out of this, just had one or two points to make and that's all.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 00:15:02 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Blackdog
Subject: Pull the other one
Message:
It's got bells on.
No. I don't believe a word of it. You are Rob, whoever that is. I have no doubt about it. The switch back and forth from premie to ex-premie to premie again. The fake posts and the geek mentality. Yep, Blackdog is Rob alright.
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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 23:45:53 (EDT)
From: Blackdog
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: For whom the bell tolls
Message:
You know I was warned about this place. As in once you enter its very hard to leave. Due to the open ended questions its human nature not to want to leave unanswered.

Look Sir Dave sir, I really could give a monkeys if you think I'm this Rob or not, I take it pretty much all the names here are fake with a few exceptions? So what does it matter what alias someone uses.

No what gets me and has drawn me into a argument i didn't really want, is your wonky logic. I mean listen to this statement and tell me what's wrong with the picture:
'I think Blackdog is Rob' = 'I think this person that I don't know is someone else that I don't know'

Am I missing something or are you not playing with a full deck here? You know i once had a girlfriend who insisted on calling me Uncle Terry whenever we shagged - is it one of those kind of deals? Look if i was planning on sticking around and getting into the meat and potatoes of whats being talked about here, I'll gladly change my handle to Rob if it makes you happy. Lets face it, I wasn't born Blackdog. Or Raoul, Miguel or even Kermit for that matter, so what difference would it make right?

But seeing how I'm not wanting to get sucked into all this horseshit and I've just finished my night shift, I'm going to say bye and settle down to watch the end of the Dolphins/Bills game on channel 5 with a nice hot cuppa. You can go wank yourself silly over Rob, if that's what does it for you mate.

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Date: Wed, Oct 13, 1999 at 08:59:09 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Blackdog
Subject: By your own admission, you're a phoney (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 23:14:19 (EDT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Blackdog
Subject: my guess
Message:
are you Denise?
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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 23:28:07 (EDT)
From: Blackdog
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Re: my guess
Message:
Well this does seem to be an issue perhaps, so let me put you out of your misery. I only visited here just over a week ago after seeing a link mentioned in a hacker site which I frequent. Some script-kiddie's father has knowledge and brought it up, so I was curious, as I didn't know there was officially such a thing as an ex-premie.

Blackdog is the handle I use there, and I have only used 2 others here, just for fun, [clue: neither of them speak very good english]

Sorry if it upset the flow, seen all I came to see, nothing for me here, so I'll leave you guys in peace.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 06:14:33 (EDT)
From: Bluebeard
Email: None
To: Blackdog
Subject: Re: my guess
Message:
One thing you should know as you're leaving, jerk. This is an ex-premie forum, not a premie one. Maybe to you, this forum is a joke, but to us it's a life saver. We're not here to play stupid games like you are. So whatever point you were trying to make is moot. It only applies to jerk premies like yourself.

Jerry

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 23:40:28 (EDT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Blackdog
Subject: Re: my guess
Message:
Rauol???? Hey, that was a great put on. I could feel Rauols joy at the Lords post to him!
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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 13:41:12 (EDT)
From: Bluebeard
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: You think so?
Message:
Write enough and you leave an indelable character print which is soon picked up by anyone
perceptive enough to look beyond the words on the page.

Okay, David, who am I? I'll only hint that I've been around for over a year. Guess who.

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 21:35:49 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Bluebeard
Subject: Re: You think so?
Message:
That's a pretty pointless question. Who you are is one of several nom de plumes. I mean, I don't know which main one you want to be known as do I?

I meant that the essence of a person comes through in their posts, no matter what they call themselves. What their real name is in the outside world could be anything and unless they choose to give that real name, we'll never know without serious detective work. And that's hardly worth it is it. I mean, this is only just another little forum, one of many in Paradise.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 00:08:05 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: But I think Bluebeard is Roger/Barney etc
Message:
And Blackdog is Rob even though he pretends he isn't.
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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 00:56:58 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: NO, NOT BARNEY OR ROGER - I ASSURE YOU!
Message:
NO!

IT IS NOT ME!

I only play with names for humor or when I'm posting something serious-serious where I wish to remain anonymous.

I'm not posting much because I'm currently busy with a number of secret project (like figuring out why my one machine is crashing and why I cannot get the spellchecker to work on the other machine.)

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 12:14:46 (EDT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: for Sir Dave ( sorta OT)
Message:
That is why I think people like to try to pull hoaxes. I imagine it is challenging to come up with a personality, a writing style, and see if someone buys it.

I have to admit something. When I first got a computer. I did this. I pretended to be a teenager who went to the local Catholic high school. I got grossed out when I found I had an immediate flock of teenage boys. So I quit the game. But it was rather a hoot. Making up this persona and pretending to answer as I thought she would answer. But here, the subject is too serious. It won't stop people though. Just a hazard of the net.

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 21:26:42 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Re: for Sir Dave ( sorta OT)
Message:
I've done that too, Susan. I once pretended to be a woman and I couldn't believe how many eager emails I got! I soon tired of it though and ended up telling them that I was really a guy having a jolly jape. Thankfully nobody minded and some carried on writing to me as a man.

What the net does do is allow people to write totally candidly without any reservation. Often what is expressed to virtual strangers would never be expressed to strangers in the outside world.

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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 02:29:55 (EDT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: secret cybersex identities (ot)
Message:
I think that this image perfectly sums up Internet Cybersex.
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Date: Tues, Oct 12, 1999 at 09:34:11 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Good one! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, Oct 10, 1999 at 21:54:23 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Blackdog
Subject: Don't confuse things
Message:
Blackdog,

Maybe you treat this page as a joke but not everyone does. There are real people here talking about real thoughts and experiences. Maybe using your name might make a difference. Why not? You're not scared of assassins, are you?

Anyway, you're mixing a few things up. One is the standard of proof. You say that Bob, John and I could all be one and the same as far as you know. Well, bud, that's calling me a liar and, to tell you the truth, I honestly think you should fuck yourself for doing so. I'm no liar and I did indeed talk with both those guys. So that's that on that level.

Then, you'd say, maybe John and Bob, at least, are lying. Sure. Maybe. But what, may I ask, if they're not? You talk about Maharaji not having 'anything to be concerned about'. I guess that's true if he doesn't give a shit about what people think about him. You know, if all these people who stopped giving him money don't matter to him anymore, well, then I guess you're right.

But my real question to you is do you want to know the truth of the matter or not? Url said that Maharaji, unlike Jim Jones, has never shown any inclination to resort to violence. Would you agree that if Bob's story is accurate, that Url's wrong? Or would you distinguish Maharaji from Raja Ji?

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 14:23:58 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Sounds like a thick Aussie jock...
Message:
...we get loads of them over here.

They think the way to treat a woman right is to giver her your dirty washing.

Martial Arts. What a fucking dickhead. He's probably got a numchucka too. Hope he gets it wrapped round his balls.

If he comes over to London to manage some sport, the Latvian Liberation front would love to have a few beers with Mr Fucking karate, boxing 6 foot 6 of Aussie beef brain.

We'll destroy him with our sizzling wit, and merciless humour.

Really Jim, what a tosser. The knowledge is obviously working on this one.

Anth the Sporty

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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 14:46:32 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Ooops, he's gone. (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 19:20:39 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Mr Smith
Subject: Funny but shld be removed
Message:
Just because Catweasel's an asshole doesn't mean we should play along. This 'Smith & Wesson' sneer is too close to a threat for the Fourm, isn't it, oh faceless administrator? (Hey, are you God or something?)
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Date: Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 08:42:02 (EDT)
From: Surreal (Muscles) Simon
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: That's enough now boys
Message:


If you guys don't stop this silliness, I'll come and bang your heads together.
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