Forum IV: The Ex-Premie Forum
Archive: 12
From: Sat, Nov 20, 1999 To: Fri, Dec 10, 1999 Page: 5 Of: 5


Bim Doubtfire -:- Bims prayer -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 05:11:11 (EST)
__ Sir Dave Certainwater -:- Re: Bims prayer -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 19:47:57 (EST)
__ __ dv -:- If there is a god, -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 21:45:00 (EST)
__ AJW -:- Dear God -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 14:41:51 (EST)
__ Don't miss it!!! -:- Bims prayer Immortalized Forever -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 13:36:45 (EST)
__ corvuscorvae -:- Give Bim the Bum's rush! -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 12:08:57 (EST)
__ Roger eDrek -:- Take it somewhere else, Bimbo! -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 10:45:32 (EST)
__ Nick Danger, Third Eye -:- Re: Bims prayer -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 10:26:25 (EST)
__ JHB -:- Re: Bims prayer -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 05:48:46 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia G. -:- Your 'Prayer' -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 08:55:06 (EST)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: Your 'Prayer' -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 09:39:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ gerry's prayer -:- Oh my gawd !!! -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 11:05:51 (EST)

JHB -:- OT - Shamanism -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 19:44:18 (EST)
__ Mickey the Pharisee -:- Re: OT - Shamanism -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 00:23:07 (EST)
__ __ JHB -:- Re: OT - Shamanism -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 06:41:01 (EST)
__ __ __ Mickey the Pharisee -:- Re: OT - Shamanism -:- Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 07:53:57 (EST)
__ Nick Danger, Third Eye -:- Re: OT - Shamanism -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 10:39:36 (EST)
__ __ JHB -:- Re: OT - Shamanism -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 10:45:53 (EST)
__ __ __ Nick Danger, Third Eye -:- Re: OT - Shamanism -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 10:58:48 (EST)
__ __ __ __ JHB -:- Re: OT - Shamanism -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 11:02:52 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ ND, 3rd Eye -:- Re: OT - Shamanism -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 11:35:50 (EST)
__ Nick Danger, Third Eye -:- Re: OT - Shamanism -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 21:11:08 (EST)
__ __ Informed Source -:- Re: OT -Never mind Shamanism.... -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 23:08:04 (EST)

Sir Dave -:- You have been warned -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 19:34:27 (EST)
__ Mel Bourne -:- Re: You have been warned -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 07:04:27 (EST)
__ __ AJW -:- Hey Mel -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 14:49:25 (EST)
__ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- Anth the 'Fair'? -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 05:30:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Dave the dark brown -:- If if might just butt in -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 08:47:00 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynic -:- Re: If if might just butt in -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 09:05:55 (EST)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- 'Fair Enough' -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 08:10:42 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- Not fair at all! -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 09:51:00 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Poor Mel, he wants attention... -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 10:41:37 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia G. -:- Very Fair -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 10:29:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- Very Fair - really? -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 11:56:17 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- Mel, do you think that there is such a thing as a cult? -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 12:15:52 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- Re: Mel, do you think that there is such a thing as a cult? -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 12:45:41 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- Hey, you did not answer the whole thing! -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 13:20:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Dear pal Melby -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 12:10:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia G. -:- Mel.....The Circular Thinking Person -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 14:27:06 (EST)

youngold -:- memory -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 19:00:48 (EST)

Brian -:- Nigel's Journeys entry -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 16:42:08 (EST)
__ Nigel -:- Thanks so much, all of you. -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 20:46:31 (EST)
__ __ Lee -:- Re: your journey -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 13:21:38 (EST)
__ __ Selene -:- Re: Thanks so much, all of you. -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 21:55:24 (EST)
__ __ __ nigel -:- Yup, we did... -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 22:17:11 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- you have it now -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 23:21:37 (EST)
__ Selene -:- Re: Nigel's Journeys entry -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 20:42:09 (EST)
__ AJW -:- Thanksalot Nigel -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 14:53:40 (EST)
__ Susan -:- fantastic Nigel! Thank you! (nt) -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 11:07:05 (EST)
__ JW -:- Said As A True Scholar, Nigel -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 10:07:00 (EST)
__ Charlie -:- Re: Nigel's Journeys entry -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 09:21:05 (EST)
__ __ Katie -:- Aspirant Hell -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 10:52:09 (EST)
__ __ __ Nick Danger, Third Eye -:- Re: Aspirant Hell -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 11:04:20 (EST)
__ __ __ Katie -:- P.S. -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 10:56:28 (EST)
__ Helen -:- Re: Nigel's Journeys entry -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 20:56:32 (EST)
__ John -:- Re: Nigel's Journeys entry -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 19:41:31 (EST)
__ Katie -:- Thank you Nigel! -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 19:19:14 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia G. -:- Re: Thank you Nigel! -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 09:23:07 (EST)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- Re: book -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 19:00:24 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Nick Danger, Third Eye -:- Looking For A Laff -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 22:47:28 (EST)
__ __ __ Way -:- Thanks from me, too. (nt) -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 12:58:47 (EST)

old-timer -:- forum -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 13:33:05 (EST)
__ May be -:- Re: forum -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 16:37:12 (EST)
__ __ Katie -:- Re: forum -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 19:46:21 (EST)
__ __ __ Runamok -:- Re: forum -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 00:38:33 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Hi Run -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 10:11:39 (EST)
__ __ Roger Paranoid eDrek -:- Wonder who this could be? -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 16:56:56 (EST)
__ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Wonder who this could be? -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 18:22:42 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Selene (intruding) -:- Re: Wonder who this could be? -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 22:26:14 (EST)
__ Enough -:- Re: forum -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 14:48:03 (EST)

Sir Dave -:- What else is true about Maharaji? -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 13:06:54 (EST)
__ May be -:- Re: What else is true about Maharaji? -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 14:12:55 (EST)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- That's so, so beautiful -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 15:37:00 (EST)

Sir Dave -:- Maharaji is a hypocrite -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 08:26:45 (EST)
__ Sir Dave -:- Maharaji's heavy ashram rules -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 10:10:22 (EST)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Maharaji is the world's biggest liar -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 12:50:22 (EST)
__ __ Why do you lie? -:- Re: Maharaji's heavy ashram rules -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 10:46:08 (EST)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Maharaji's affair with Monica -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 10:20:53 (EST)
__ Why do you lie? -:- Re: Maharaji is a hypocrite -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 09:53:34 (EST)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- Why don't you learn? -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 11:00:45 (EST)
__ __ __ gerry -:- The pressure to move into the ashram was enormous... -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 16:41:08 (EST)
__ __ __ Are you trying to re-write history? -:- Re: Why don't you learn? -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 11:40:32 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Don't you want to realize K?? -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 13:23:11 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: Don't you want to realize K?? -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 13:30:28 (EST)
__ __ why are you so gullible? -:- has someone written some crappy premie manual on this? -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 10:23:40 (EST)
__ Real devotee -:- You don't understand nothin -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 09:16:28 (EST)
__ __ Why are you lying -:- ..pretending to be a premie -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 13:43:42 (EST)
__ __ __ Coz M said I still am! -:- no need to pretend! -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 16:52:01 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Fixing to Die -:- Re: no need to pretend! -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 17:28:03 (EST)

Bim Doubtfire -:- Is Maharaji antichrist...or?? -:- Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 08:48:00 (EST)
__ English Master -:- Re: Is Maharaji antichrist...or?? -:- Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 12:33:57 (EST)
__ __ Latka G. -:- Re: Is Maharaji antichrist...or?? -:- Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 16:16:31 (EST)
__ Katie -:- To Bim, again... -:- Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 11:35:36 (EST)
__ __ Susan -:- Best of Forum!!! my vote to Katie (nt) -:- Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 19:12:20 (EST)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Reluctantly ***Best*** -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 21:01:17 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Re: Reluctantly ***Best*** -:- Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 09:59:35 (EST)
__ __ __ Katie -:- Thanks, Susan! (nt) -:- Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 11:08:57 (EST)
__ JHB -:- Is Maharaji antichrist. - NO! -:- Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 09:13:28 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia G. -:- Read Katie's Post...! -:- Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 12:55:01 (EST)
__ __ __ Katie -:- Thanks, Cynthia! -:- Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 14:58:57 (EST)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- Give me a bim job, baby! -:- Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 19:46:24 (EST)

Runamok -:- bim/rob/premie bs -:- Sat, Nov 20, 1999 at 22:44:24 (EST)
__ Katie -:- Pseudonyms and identity -:- Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 11:20:42 (EST)
__ __ I think Katie is really -:- KEITH !!! (NT) -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 11:23:44 (EST)
__ __ __ Katie -:- Hi Gerry! (NT) -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 19:24:25 (EST)
__ __ The Evil Roger eDrek -:- Re: Pseudonyms and identity -:- Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 16:04:57 (EST)
__ __ __ Katie -:- Re: Pseudonyms and identity -:- Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 17:21:59 (EST)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Suspending critical thinking -:- Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 17:07:45 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Roger, are you saying... -:- Sun, Nov 21, 1999 at 17:46:04 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Roger Not Gonna Take It Anymore eDrek -:- Re: Roger, are you saying... -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 05:46:00 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- OK, Rog -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 11:26:00 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: Roger, are you saying... -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 08:11:25 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Announcing... -:- A New Forum !!! -:- Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 12:22:26 (EST)

Brian -:- Journeys entry -:- Sat, Nov 20, 1999 at 16:16:57 (EST)


Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 05:11:11 (EST)
From: Bim Doubtfire
Email: bim_doubtfire@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: Bims prayer
Message:
Dear God

I am weak, ignorant and filled with impurity.

Please give me strenght to understand the beauty of this life, even when things that happens to me fall apart and I even once more might lose my wordly possessions.

Please give me the power to stay away from these pages and please prevent me from filling my inner landscape with negativity.

Please give me the strength not to judge these people, because I dont know their pain and why they suffer, and make me understand that my life is the only thing I have.

Please give me wisdom so even if I admire and have the greatest respect for my master, that I will not be offended by what is written on these pages.

Dear God, please bestow on these people, who seems to be stuck in their own suffering and anger, the strength and inspiration to go on with their lives, so they might find gratitude and love and understand the beauty of being alive.

Because God, you are the embodyment of love, forgiveness and compassion

Yours

Bim

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 19:47:57 (EST)
From: Sir Dave Certainwater
Email: None
To: Bim Doubtfire
Subject: Re: Bims prayer
Message:
Why have an inferiority complex about things? If there is a God then you are as you are supposed to be, warts and all. If God created you, why criticise the handiwork of God. He may think you're just perfect, as you are. No need for any self recrimination there. No need to try to be something you're not. No need for self criticism.

Ah, but we always want to criticise something...

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 21:45:00 (EST)
From: dv
Email: None
To: Sir Dave Certainwater
Subject: If there is a god,
Message:
he must really be bored.
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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 14:41:51 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Bim Doubtfire
Subject: Dear God
Message:
Dear God,

Save me from the inane preaching of self-righteous, brainwashed, cult deadheads, with their heads so far up their arses they don't know whether it's Guru Puja or Hans Jayanti.

Amen

Anth the Believer.

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 13:36:45 (EST)
From: Don't miss it!!!
Email: webmaster@thebimchannel.com
To: Bim Doubtfire
Subject: Bims prayer Immortalized Forever
Message:
It's all there folks, from 'Who is Bim Doubtfire' to 'The Song of Saint Kabim'

The Bim Channel

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 12:08:57 (EST)
From: corvuscorvae
Email: None
To: Bim Doubtfire
Subject: Give Bim the Bum's rush!
Message:
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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 10:45:32 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Bim Doubtfire
Subject: Take it somewhere else, Bimbo!
Message:
Our Lord, the successful private investor
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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 10:26:25 (EST)
From: Nick Danger, Third Eye
Email: None
To: Bim Doubtfire
Subject: Re: Bims prayer
Message:
Bim:

'I am weak, ignorant and filled with impurity.'

You got that right, and from the looks of things, it appears that God hasn't answered your other prayers either. Perhaps it's time to take a long walk off a short pier.

Best regards

ND, 3rd Eye

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 05:48:46 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Bim Doubtfire
Subject: Re: Bims prayer
Message:
Bim,

Thanks you for your prayer, but these things you wish for me I already have.

John not weak, ignorant or filled with impurity, but strong, blessed with some wisdom, and 100% pure me.

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 08:55:06 (EST)
From: Cynthia G.
Email: cynthia@madriver.com
To: Bim
Subject: Your 'Prayer'
Message:
You know Bim, I think it's time for you to cut the shit.

That so-called prayer is insultingly close to the k vow and for you to write it here is inappropriate. That's my opinion. I can't speak for others, but I don't trust you because I believe you are a fraud, just like your maharaji.

When you speak of God's 'embodyment' you're speaking about maharaji.

Knock it off, it offends me.

Regards,

Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 09:39:59 (EST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Cynthia G.
Subject: Re: Your 'Prayer'
Message:
I haven't read Bim's post above but it strikes me as bizarre that these people post their stuff here where they know it's not going to be welcome. What are they trying to achieve?

I've come to the conclusion that they are trying to annoy people here. But two can play that game, can't they.

Bim, I know you are the infamous person who posts under many different guises and nationalities. I had a conversation with a Spanish person here who you admitted to being, in the end. What are you Bom? Your posts are like a joke that's out-lived it's sell by date. You are living in a world of fantasy.

Look; the internet is not doing you any good. You are addicted to fantasizing about all these characters and pretending to be them. You are wasting your time here Bam. Your time would be better served in reading a book or doing some work. Nobody appreciates your posts and less and less people even read them!

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 11:05:51 (EST)
From: gerry's prayer
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Oh my gawd !!!
Message:
Oh great and glorious admin dudes, you truly are the gods of this forum and haveth the great and holiest powers within inside your sacred and most high selves, deem to have pity upon us unworthiest of sinners and posters, by your almighty grace and omnipotence, may you please, if it is in your divine will, bannish forever from our midsts this apostate and abomination know by myriad of names but at present, BIM.

We give you thanks and glory in advance for aquiesing to our humble request.

Amen and amen...

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Date: Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 19:44:18 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: brauns@dircon.co.uk
To: All
Subject: OT - Shamanism
Message:
Anyone here have experience of Shamanism? Mail me off list if you don't want to post here.

Regards,

John.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 00:23:07 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: OT - Shamanism
Message:
John, are you talking about Siberian Shamanism, or that new agey stuff? When I was in seminary there was a lot of talk about the shamanistic aspects of the priesthood, and this interested me. I did some research comparing Siberian Shamanism and the understanding of the priesthood in the Anglican tradition; I could dig up the paper if you are interested.
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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 06:41:01 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: Re: OT - Shamanism
Message:
Mickey,

Your paper sounds like it might be interesting. As I understand it, the word Shaman comes from Siberia, but is now widely used because the alternatives like Witch Doctor have too many negative associations. What is interesting is that the practises of what could be called shamanism in different unconnected cultures all around the world have remarkable similarities.

John.

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Date: Thurs, Nov 25, 1999 at 07:53:57 (EST)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: mgbach@sinfo.net
To: JHB
Subject: Re: OT - Shamanism
Message:
John,

I haven't read too much about shamanism in other cultures, but I do know that several Animist religions do have a person who serves as an intermediary between this world and the spirit world. They are powerful people in their communities, but many of their actions appear crazy in a Western context. What is this book that you are reading? You can e-mail me if you want to take this off line here.

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 10:39:36 (EST)
From: Nick Danger, Third Eye
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: OT - Shamanism
Message:
John:

I can recommend some books if that's what you want.

Thanks

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 10:45:53 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Nick Danger, Third Eye
Subject: Re: OT - Shamanism
Message:
Nick,

Thanks. I'm reading Harner's 'The Way of the Shaman' at the moment. I was talking to my friend who's into it, and I was telling him about my scepticism after being involved with M. I also said I've learnt a lot about critical thinking here, and that I apply the 'Jim Test' to stuff like this these days. I hope Jim allows me to refer to him in this way:-)

All the best,

John.

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 10:58:48 (EST)
From: Nick Danger, Third Eye
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: OT - Shamanism
Message:
JHB:

Since shamanism deals with nonordinary reality, I can see where skepticism would emerge and flourish. Without setting myself up for massive ridicule (not by you), I will say that I have found shamanism to be profound and powerful. I also avoid 'cult head' groups/organizations and run like a flea on speed when I encounter cultish stuff. I have a friend who's a shamanic healer, and she is a very grounded person (my personal litmus test). I've collected quite a few books on shamanism, so please feel free to ask if you want more references in the future.

Thanks

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 11:02:52 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: brauns@dircon.co.uk
To: Nick Danger, Third Eye
Subject: Re: OT - Shamanism
Message:
Nick,

Could you email me (I'm very discreet) so that we can continue this off forum?

John.

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 11:35:50 (EST)
From: ND, 3rd Eye
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: OT - Shamanism
Message:
It's on its way; having trouble with email connections, but it should go through shortly.

Thanks

ND

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Date: Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 21:11:08 (EST)
From: Nick Danger, Third Eye
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: OT - Shamanism
Message:
John:

I'm no expert, but I have had some experience with shamanism: took the basic course (using the Harner method) and had a soul retrieval some years ago.

ND, 3rd Eye

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Date: Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 23:08:04 (EST)
From: Informed Source
Email: None
To: Nick Danger, Third Eye
Subject: Re: OT -Never mind Shamanism....
Message:
I've just discovered that there's a cult led by a transvestite prophet!

I of course will be working ceaselessly to bring the complete story to the forum.

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Date: Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 19:34:27 (EST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: david@xyzx.freeserve.co.uk
To: All
Subject: You have been warned
Message:
Maharaji doesn't have a clue as to how to proceed. He doesn't know what he's doing. If you are a current premie, I'd beware. Maharaji is ready to quit the guru game at the drop of a hat any time. You mean nothing to him; you're just dollars; that's what you mean to him.

Think about this. The rejection, betrayal and despair which the ashram premies suffered when Maharaji threw them out onto the streets; well THAT rejection, THAT betrayal and THAT despair will be suffered again by the current premies when Maharaji decides to pack it in and call it a day.

And will Maharaji worry about the lost and confused souls left floundering in his wake? Will he hell! Maharaji's house is built on sand and if you put any faith or credence in his house, you are likely to come a cropper, big time. You are likely to have the carpet whisked away from under your feet and suffer a major personal crisis.

How do I know this? Because I've seen it happen to other people and myself also. I've seen ultra devoted premies completely ruined because they gave their all to the Lord of the Universe, only to have their lives wrecked on the rocks of Maharaji's callous indifference and thoughtlessness.

Maharaji is out for himself. He does not love you. If you become confused, he will view you as his enemy and will at best ignore you and at worst, pour scorn on you and ridicule you.

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 07:04:27 (EST)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: You have been warned
Message:
Thanks for your obviously heartfelt warning, Sir Dave, but you actually make Maharaji sound a bit like Jim, Nigel, Gerry and one or two others especially where...'he will view you as his enemy and will at best ignore you and at worst, pour scorn on you and ridicule you.'

Mel

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 14:49:25 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Hey Mel
Message:
Hey Mel,

You quoted Sir Dave way out of context here. He says, 'if you become confused he will view you...etc'.

Maybe you didn't read what he said too carefully. There's a big difference between what he said and what you imply with your fractured quote.

Anth the Fair

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Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 05:30:47 (EST)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Anth the 'Fair'?
Message:
Anth

I disagree. What struck me in Sir Dave's post was the similarity of what he described as Maharaji's behaviour with what is clearly the behaviour of some ex's on this site, and I remarked on it.

To be honest, I believe that Sir Dave is being deceptive here (maybe unintentionally, of course!) because I have never seen or heard any evidence of Maharaji behaving to 'confused' premies in the way that he suggests: ie "..he will view you as his enemy and will at best ignore you and at worst, pour scorn on you and ridicule you.". On the contrary, I think that it is quite clear that Maharaji provides guidance and inspiration for people to overcome their 'confusion' and that that is part of his role as master.

On the other hand, the ex's that I have mentioned clearly exhibit the mentioned behaviour to premies (confused or not).

Maybe you need to revise the "fairness" of your assessment and sign off more appropriately, Anth!

Regards

Mel

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Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 08:47:00 (EST)
From: Dave the dark brown
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: If if might just butt in
Message:
A while ago Bill Burke wrote here about a woman in South Africa who questioned Maharaji about his change of techniques practise. You may remember Maharaji originally told people to meditate all the time on the third technique (what an imaginative name for it!).

Much later he told people NOT to meditate on the third technique all the time. Now this one South African woman found this change of direction very confusing and she questioned Maharaji about it. She felt that she couldn't practise in this new way of just 15 minutes a day on that technique. She was undestandably confused and most concerned about all of this.

And you know what Maharaji's answer to her was?

Maharaji replied, 'Maybe this isn't for you.'

Now what kind of a master is that!!!???

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Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 09:05:55 (EST)
From: Cynic
Email: None
To: Dave the dark brown
Subject: Re: If if might just butt in
Message:
Hmmm, I'll just bet she was not among the millionare premies.
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Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 08:10:42 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: 'Fair Enough'
Message:
Hi Mel,

I was talking about my complexion when I described myself as 'fair'.

So you think anyone who doesn't see Maharaji as some 'Godlike Perfect Master' type dude is confused do you?

Mel, come out of your cupboard. You're in a cult. You've been brainwashed. Maharaji is a confused individual. He's not the 'Perfect Master'. And if you believe he is, you're confused too.

Anth the Dark.

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Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 09:51:00 (EST)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Not fair at all!
Message:
I was talking about my complexion when I described myself as 'fair'

C'mon, Anth, you can do better than this, you know that your complexion has nothing to do with the points made, you clearly thought I was being unfair to Sir Dave.

So you think anyone who doesn't see Maharaji as some 'Godlike Perfect Master' type dude is confused do you?

I've never said or implied this. You and others on this site know exactly where I stand on the 'divinity' issue, if not, consult the archives.

Anth, I'm really surprised and a little disappointed with you, you have not addressed the points in my response to your post, instead you have reverted to the typical 'ex' tactic of accusing me of being 'brainwashed...in a cult..', etc, etc. You're beginning to sound like Jim, Gerry, et al. Derelict of reasonable logical responses you dishonestly resort to the stereotypical personal accusations.

Oh well....

Mel

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Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 10:41:37 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Poor Mel, he wants attention...
Message:
Derelict of reasonable logical responses you dishonestly resort to the stereotypical personal accusations.

Melby I want you to read this sentence out loud. Come on, do it. Right now.

There. Now can you really say this out loud and keep a straight face? I sure can't.

Mel, do you talk to your friends like this? How about your family?

I'd say you had a seriously large stick up your butt, boy. Time for Mel Boring to loosen up and become a little less of a stiffy.

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Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 10:29:35 (EST)
From: Cynthia G.
Email: cynthia@madriver.com
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Very Fair
Message:
Come on Mel,

You come to a Forum called The Ex-Premie Forum and you don't expect to be told you're in a cult?

That's plain stupid. Personally, I don't believe the issue is open to debate. Yet you persist.

Fine, Whatever gets you off. But don't think for one second that those of us who have realized m as a fraud is going to be programmed for re-entry by your questions or points.

That's all I have to say about it. You're in a cult and you're thinking is not correct. Maybe if you listen, read the site and start thinking for yourself again, you'll come to this realization.

Regards,

Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 11:56:17 (EST)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Cynthia G.
Subject: Very Fair - really?
Message:
Cynthia

You come to a Forum called The Ex-Premie Forum and you don't expect to be told you're in a cult?

Of course I do, but that still doesn't legitamise this obviously parrot-like accusation that ex's like to seek refuge in when contradicted in fair debate.

. But don't think for one second that those of us who have realized m as a fraud is going to be programmed for re-entry by your questions or points.

This comment definitely sounds defensive and slightly paranoid, but I've been around here long enough to realise the what you say is true. My main interest here is to point out some of the 'ex premie cult think' when it rears itself and give a more positive exposure to Maharaji and Knowledge on this public forum.

Mel

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Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 12:15:52 (EST)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Mel, do you think that there is such a thing as a cult?
Message:
If Anth were to say to a moonie, 'You are in a cult', would it be a fair statement? A Hare Krishna? One of the former Jim Jones followers? Is there anyone in this world who is in a cult? Is it okay to say so to them?

Is DLM/EV just unfairly labeled a cult in your mind or is there just no such thing as a cult?

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Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 12:45:41 (EST)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Re: Mel, do you think that there is such a thing as a cult?
Message:
Hi Susan

'Is DLM/EV just unfairly labeled a cult in your mind.. Yes

Mel

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Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 13:20:12 (EST)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Hey, you did not answer the whole thing!
Message:
That was the obvious part!

Would you mind answering the rest?

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Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 12:10:59 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Dear pal Melby
Message:
> Mr. Stiffy Mel Boring Sez :>

'ex premie cult think'

Oh yes, we are in an 'ex-premie' cult. Damn!!! This is the second cult I've fallen for in the last thirty years.

Help me, Melby. Help, help me Melby. Help me make it outta the cult...

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Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 14:27:06 (EST)
From: Cynthia G.
Email: cynthia@madriver.com
To: Mel
Subject: Mel.....The Circular Thinking Person
Message:
'Mel the Incorrect Thinker':

Communicating with you is like trying to convince a plastered drunk they should quit drinking.

The word to think about today is denial, Mel. That's what you're in.

You're confused.....the cult speak is in m's world. Not here.

Bye Mel, Happy Thanksgiving.

I'm very grateful to out of maharaji's cult! :::))

Regards, Cynthia

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Date: Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 19:00:48 (EST)
From: youngold
Email: None
To: All
Subject: memory
Message:
I feel like I’m sitting in a rocking chair, reminiscing.

I was in the ashram when that info about single premies came out. (singles must move into

ashram) That older Indian lady mahatma gave us the news. I said to her.” If we must be

married or in the ashram, would you marry me?”

Everyone in the room laughed except for her. I meant it as a joke, but a short time later

she married a premie about my same age at that time. ( for citizenship purposes)

The premie she married was 20 years her junior... it must have blown her mind when I

asked her as a joke.

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Date: Mon, Nov 22, 1999 at 16:42:08 (EST)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: All
Subject: Nigel's Journeys entry
Message:
I put Nigel's Revised Journeys entry online today. I don't remember what was in the old one, but the new one is certainly a nice read.

Thanks, Nigel.

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 20:46:31 (EST)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Brian
Subject: Thanks so much, all of you.
Message:
Since you know just about everything else about me, this is what I look like and here is where I live.

(Note 'Palm House', the tropical greenhouse down at the bottom right corner of the pic, not half a mile from me, where Darwin made frequent visits to study the plants whilst developing the theory that changed the world forever.)

Want to say a big, big thanks for so many kind comments. I would like to do one of those posts where you name all the names among the exes who mean a lot to you - but every time someone tries one of those they always leave someone out and then feel bad about it (but maybe not as bad as the person they forgot to mention..?!)

So I tried totting up the number of exes I have exchanged emails with in the past couple of years and even that is around three dozen. All of you, at least, I regard as good friends, especially those of you I have spoken to on the phone. You know who you are. Love you loads. And then some more recent ones like Charlie, Lee, Anth, Susan... the list would just go on.

I think it might have been John K (not sure) who said that 'community is something you should value wherever you find it', and that the ex-premie forum is a community of a kind and should be treasured. I agree. And that is why I know I won't be disappearing for a while, if ever.

Much luv,

Nige

(Decided, though, to stop talking to the premies here. And for good. They have started to piss me off something rotten. I tried being courteous and rational with 'Mel Bourne' a couple of weeks back. Thought we were getting somewhere but just read his remarks about me up above. Don't even understand why he wrote that. 'Catweasel' read somewhere that I had felt anger, so now says I have confessed to 'having a bad temper'. (I never lose my temper, BTW). I try talking to URL and calls me a 'misanthrope' because I don't love his guru quite as much as I used to…Mili reckons I am full of bile…Bim wants to pray for my deliverance from eternal hatred and damnation… Jeez, these half-dozen forum premies don't bear any resemblance to the old premies I know and still count among my friends. They could lighten up for one thing. Why can't this rabble just go and bliss-out among themselves at the enjoyinglifewithchrisdickey forum and stop coming around here to carp and whine be generally irrational and obnoxious? Keys to the fookin kingdom not good enough, or something?)

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Date: Wed, Nov 24, 1999 at 13:21:38 (EST)
From: Lee
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Re: your journey
Message:
Dear Nigel

Before this thread re your journey disappears, I've just managed to read it and really thought it was great and full of lots of good points. It reminds me of how we all seem to be parts of a jigsaw puzzle and how we all fit together to make one whole, huge picture - something that maharaji used to claim knowledge could do for you - let you see the whole picture. I think we each, without even knowing it, sometimes have the piece which fits neatly into someone else's piece. Help! I'm getting a bit tangled up here with analogy, but I hope you get my drift - your journey hit the spot.

The part about motivational damage really makes sense to me - it's very hard to make efforts towards goals which you think are probably worthless, but which aren't worthless at all and yet you still have those arguments with yourself about them!

Thanks Nigel, hope you don't go away, you'd be missed by us.

Lee

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 21:55:24 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Re: Thanks so much, all of you.
Message:
You are so welcome. Damned full moon. Oh I mean not full moon, that's supersticious... never mind.

I think we emailed under one of your other personalities.

A very lyrical one.

You were so helpful to me a few years ago. Thanks always.

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 22:17:11 (EST)
From: nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Selene
Subject: Yup, we did...
Message:
But I lost your email address when my mailbox got corrupted. EB's too and a couple of others. And - oops - I should have cited you as my source for that 'toxic thinking' quote, shouldn't I? (Still prefer 'Selena' , though :-)

Cheers, Nige

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 23:21:37 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: nigel
Subject: you have it now
Message:
Because it took so long for my post to show up I figured it was this damned MAC they lent me from work. Don't get me wrong I liked mac's but it's been years since I have had one and don't know how to fix a fuc$%dup one.

So I used toxic thinking huh? vaguely remember that and how appropriate for me to come up with it.

So anyway I sent you email.

Just read Angela's Ashes by the way. Amazing.

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Date: Tues, Nov 23, 1999 at 20:42:09 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Re: Nigel's Journeys entry
Message:
It's been ages since I have even come here for longer than a quick glance at the subjects in the threads.

But I had to read your journal entry Nigel.

I am one of those 'fringe premies' but I cannot honestly say I wasn't damaged. Loved the comment about appreciating breath being perhaps more arrested development than spritual awakening.

I agree one hundred percent about the motivational damange. Lack of achievement in whatever terms that means to an individual can ind