Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Mon, May 08, 2000 at 09:27:05 (GMT)
From: Apr 28, 2000 To: May 07, 2000 Page: 4 Of: 5


Gilead -:- SONS OF SHRI HANS, CAN'T YOU ANSWER US? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:54:20 (GMT)
__ bb -:- His name was NOT shri hans, it was some other dumb -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:12:05 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- Racism aside, isn't he 'Prem Pal SINGH' -Sikh?(nt) -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:15:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ blood -:- Sikhs are bad asses remember Bihari Singh? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 21:00:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ bb -:- he was in fact a murderer. -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:38:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- So what is it with 'bad asses'? -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 19:28:59 (GMT)
__ JW -:- Prem Pal and Sat Pal -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:37:37 (GMT)
__ __ Gilead -:- Prem Pal and Sat Pal -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:48:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ bb -:- The nuts dont fall far from the tree- -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:42:07 (GMT)

raina -:- all the worst attax combined -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:46:03 (GMT)
__ Scott T. -:- all the worst attax combined -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 14:41:13 (GMT)
__ A premie -:- Soory,oops.. -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 17:15:32 (GMT)
__ __ Q -:- Soory,oops..etc. a great example of premie... -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:13:12 (GMT)
__ __ raina -:- WAY TOO CREEPY! a guilt trip now? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 17:45:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ Q -:- What is a 'raina'? nt -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:14:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ B oliver -:- It's Italian for rain. (nt) -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:05:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ raina -:- It's Italian for rain-mutlo funny -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:35:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- Reina means Queen in Spanish, I think. -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:05:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jethro -:- Reina means Queen in Spanish, I think. -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 09:09:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Guess her parents couldn't spell either...(nt) -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:23:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- wanna have coffee gerry? tea? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:50:42 (GMT)

A oliver -:- Anything Goes Grinds to a Halt -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 08:44:48 (GMT)
__ Robyn -:- Anything Goes Grinds to a Halt -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:50:14 (GMT)
__ __ JW -:- Hi Robyn....(ot) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 17:59:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ Robyn -:- Hi Robyn....(ot) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 18:17:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ JW -:- Humbolt State (ot) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 18:42:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Humbolt State (ot) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 19:41:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ JW -:- Humboldt State (ot) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 20:51:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Humboldt State (ot) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:06:26 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Anything Goes, -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:40:07 (GMT)

Jim -:- How was it for you? Did you feel anything? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 02:34:29 (GMT)
__ Jerry -:- How was it for you? Did you feel anything? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:46:31 (GMT)
__ JW -:- How was it for you? Did you feel anything? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 17:32:58 (GMT)
__ James F. -:- How was it for you? Did you feel anything? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 12:33:35 (GMT)
__ JohnT -:- How was it for you? Did you feel anything? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 06:23:46 (GMT)
__ Scott T. -:- How was it for you? Did you feel anything? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 06:02:21 (GMT)
__ __ Scott T. -:- Translation -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 06:11:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ Gregg -:- Miami Beach Tales -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 19:00:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ JW -:- Miami Beach Tales -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 19:21:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ James F. -:- Miami Beach Tales -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 08:35:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ dv -:- Miami Beach Tales -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 12:05:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ blood -:- Fuzzby, I remember him (nt) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:06:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Gregg -:- Fuzzby and I were Denver Ashram Brothers (nt) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:13:59 (GMT)

Gilead -:- Guru Teaching People to Fly in the Air -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 01:03:28 (GMT)
__ A premie -:- rishi-teacher/raj-king (nt) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 02:10:01 (GMT)
__ addendum-flying lessons -:- Guru Teaching People to Fly in the Air -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 01:13:25 (GMT)
__ __ Jim Kweskin -:- Speaking of The Family... -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 03:03:59 (GMT)
__ __ blood -:- Ever watched the movie...the Kama Sutra? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 02:34:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- Ever watched the movie...the Kama Sutra? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 02:39:29 (GMT)

Jean-Michel -:- If this young boy is God, this is the God -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 00:42:42 (GMT)

Jim -:- Anyone going to watch 'The 70's'? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 00:32:05 (GMT)
__ JW -:- No..... -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:31:19 (GMT)
__ __ Daneane -:- Me niether... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:27:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- That's funny (and you misspelled 'neither') -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:55:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ ET -:- Some great music, though (nt) -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 02:10:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ JW -:- Don't tell me you mean disco........do you? (nt) -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:38:23 (GMT)

Jim -:- Does this woman know what she looks like? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 00:15:49 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Besides that... -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:51:18 (GMT)
__ __ Chevy Chase -:- Besides that... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:30:49 (GMT)
__ __ JW -:- Besides that... -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:48:36 (GMT)

Rated-X -:- EV's reaction to this website: propaganda flood -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 00:04:02 (GMT)
__ Hal -:- Observer and other premies read this......... -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 11:53:18 (GMT)
__ __ Observer -:- Hal read this......... -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 19:49:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ Hal -:- I read it , so what.... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 07:24:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Observer, read this ........ -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:27:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Jim....Jim....Jim....is that like in... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 03:02:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Jim....Jim....Jim....is that like in... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 03:09:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ gErRy -:- Ding Dong, Avon calling... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:30:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ OH! That's ur pro.... -:- Ding Dong, Avon calling...yes! nt -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 10:30:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Arrest yourself, officer -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:41:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Danny who? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:19:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Thanks, Daneane -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:43:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- No problem, kuuh-tie.(nt) -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:00:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gerky -:- WELL YOU ASKED FOR IT !!! -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:20:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dan-e-annie -:- WELL YOU ASKED FOR IT !!! -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:12:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gErRy -:- WELL YOU ASKED FOR IT !!! -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 16:23:42 (GMT)
__ yz -:- EV's reaction to this website: propaganda flood -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 03:50:34 (GMT)

Jerry -:- Gingko Biloba (ot) -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 23:35:50 (GMT)
__ Mr B. -:- Angels -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 07:55:04 (GMT)
__ Mr Bubblehead -:- Gingko Biloba (ot) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:03:48 (GMT)
__ __ Jerry -:- Gingko Biloba (ot) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 20:11:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ Mr Bubblehead -:- Now that you mention it, -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:41:02 (GMT)
__ __ Runamok -:- Gingko Biloba (ot) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:24:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ Mr B. -:- Gingko Biloba (ot) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:59:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Runamok -:- Gingko Biloba (ot) -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:18:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Mr B -:- Boo Hoooooo. -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:05:08 (GMT)
__ __ Donna Shalala -:- Perhaps It Should Be Renamed Dinko Biloba (nt) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 13:34:40 (GMT)
__ __ Robyn -:- Gingko Biloba (ot) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 11:40:33 (GMT)
__ A premie -:- Gingko Biloba -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 02:14:33 (GMT)
__ Robyn -:- Gingko Biloba (ot) -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 23:45:51 (GMT)
__ __ Runamok -:- Gingko Biloba (ot) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 03:55:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ Robyn -:- Thanks Run (nt) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 09:40:03 (GMT)

Silver -:- crucifixion -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 22:16:09 (GMT)
__ Linker -:- crucifixion link -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 22:20:32 (GMT)

Blood -:- Who is Alpen Sun, Pure Voice LLC, Applied Theory -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 22:09:17 (GMT)
__ Blood -:- they sound like aliases... (the registrants names) -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 22:47:40 (GMT)
__ __ G -:- Alpen Sun's address -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:44:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ blood -:- Alpen Sun's address...good research...thanx (nt) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:53:50 (GMT)

Gilead -:- Challenge For the Two Sons of Shri Hans -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 20:16:40 (GMT)
__ gisilver -:- Make that 4 -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 03:54:41 (GMT)

Susan -:- Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:10:35 (GMT)
__ Powerman -:- Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 19:04:59 (GMT)
__ __ Susan -:- Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 23:52:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ Powerman -:- Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 01:14:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ 97 lb weakling -:- Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 03:58:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:32:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Powerman -:- Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 13:51:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- Oprah...my sister calls her Deepak Oprah -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:03:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Powerman -:- Oprah...my sister calls her Deepak Oprah -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:19:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Actually, that's an excellent point -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:22:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ J. Edgar -:- Her Real Name Is Doprah Winfrey (nt) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:00:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- So you're not the same J Edgar as posted below? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:29:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ J. Edgar -:- No. Obviously a slip-up on my part. Jesting. (nt) -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 00:51:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ A Vacuum -:- Obviously all Hoovers suck! (nt) -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:56:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- Does Oprah have ties to a cult? nt -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:05:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- oxygen.com...would be a great place to make some -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:34:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ JW -:- Are those GREAT pictures on the net? Where? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 17:38:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- Are those GREAT pictures on the net? Where? -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 20:10:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ JW -:- Thanks (nt) -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:18:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- Not that I know of nt -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:31:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ Robyn -:- Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 00:33:44 (GMT)
__ __ Silver -:- Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think -:- Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 22:07:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ Powerman -:- Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 01:04:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ raina -:- Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:11:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Susan -:- I agree -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:30:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Elaine B. -:- I agree -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:16:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Stands for Super Brat... -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:36:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- what part was I referring to you with? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:19:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine B. -:- what part was I referring to you with? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:17:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- more for Elaine -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:37:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine B. -:- more for Elaine -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:36:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine B. -:- more for Susan -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 22:27:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- more for Elaine B. -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 04:45:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine B -:- more for Elaine B. -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:03:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- more from Susan -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 14:01:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Those aren't mutually exclusive, Elaine -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:15:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine B. -:- Jim's likes... -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 14:56:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Jim's likes ... would they include his own beliefs -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 20:10:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Hm, dunno -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 03:16:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Mindhead -:- Mon, May 01, 2000 at 20:52:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- This 'Raina' is a real piece of work... -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 02:35:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- don't cry for me gerryyyyyy -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:22:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Raina -:- murderer -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:46:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- murderer: Step away: Is only Gerry.... -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:44:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- murderer: Step away: Is only Gerry....more -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:05:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- aspiRANT -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 16:12:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- aspiRANT -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:36:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Duh aspiRANT -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 23:43:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Well...then... -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 03:10:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- Well...then... -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:28:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Perhaps I've misunderstood . . . -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:34:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- duh BEARS! -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 03:45:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Okay, time to rearrange the seating -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:49:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gErRy -:- Oh shit -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:37:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- ROTFOL too -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:28:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Yes, no, I don't know, maybe (nt) -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:06:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- ROTFLOL -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:34:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Raina -:- calling all gang bangers -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 03:38:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- loose -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:26:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- loose -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:02:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Why do I think I kind of like this Raina bitch? -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:39:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- hey -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:25:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine B. -:- Jim's eyes only -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 14:52:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Jim's eyes only -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:05:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine B. -:- Jim's eyes only -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:28:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Taking your brain out for a test drive -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:58:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine B. -:- Taking your brain out for a test drive -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:32:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Hey, this is the original 'looser' -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:15:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Time and Place Gerry -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:21:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Time and Place Gerry -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:34:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Hey what happened to your lovely post where -:- Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:09:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Hey what happened to your lovely post where -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:00:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Am too, Am too, Am too !!! (smart that is) -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 15:24:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- And you keep laughing...Oh my!! nt -:- Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 12:43:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- you are a survivor gerry -:- Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:22:54 (GMT)


Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:54:20 (GMT)
From: Gilead
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: SONS OF SHRI HANS, CAN'T YOU ANSWER US?
Message:
No one from Elan Vital or Shri Satpal's group over in India, answered the challenge from yesterday 'Challenge for the Two Sons of Shri Hans'. Someone did point out that there are actually four sons in conflict, not just two. Also, both of you guys call yourself Maharaji, what is that all about? Maybe you guys could get together in talk it over, like other people do. If money is the problem, as far as terroritory of customers, you could form a merger and call it Rawat and Prempal Enterprises, Inc., or Brothers of the Divine Light, Inc. But then, you guys insist that money isn't the issue, that all is free, so that's not even an issue, unless you guys will be more open. We could start a 12 step group for your family to work on, but you've gotta be honest, first.
Maybe I'm all wrong, so then answer the challenge, so we can know what is going on!
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:12:05 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Gilead
Subject: His name was NOT shri hans, it was some other dumb
Message:
indian name.
last name rawat
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:15:26 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: Racism aside, isn't he 'Prem Pal SINGH' -Sikh?(nt)
Message:
Racism aside, isn't he 'Prem Pal SINGH' -Sikh?(nt)
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 21:00:43 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Sikhs are bad asses remember Bihari Singh?
Message:
Looked like a sikh warrior except for the fact that he wallowed
at the fungus infected feet.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:38:56 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: he was in fact a murderer.
Message:
back at the beginning of the millenium it was proudly told how shri hans (rawat old man) SAVED a murderer and made him his devotee.

The story goes that baharai singh killed a man.
No prison unless you call devoteedom a prison

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 19:28:59 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: So what is it with 'bad asses'?
Message:
So what is it with 'bad asses'?

Warriors are warriors, not just because they might be fighting for something you don't believe in. No doubt premies think we're the bad asses?

Democracy and the right to express oneself is a strength of the internet, but my point was: what's the Sikh connection with the Maha? Why did he wear a turban in the early days? Is his REAL name Singh?

And how come he imported a Hindu theology into the West ???

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:37:37 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Gilead
Subject: Prem Pal and Sat Pal
Message:
I get the impression that the two 'perfect masters' are targeting different groups. Prem Pal is trying to attract Westerners who aren't attracted to scripture and spirituality per se, so that's why he makes less reference to the Bible and the Gita, etc., although he still does. I think he's trying to have it both ways, and if you read the 'satsang' he give in India, he is a lot more religious than he is in the West. He's like a politician -- he changes his speech depending on who he is speaking to.

Sat Pal, on the other hand, is much more centered on ethnic East Indians, whether in India or in other parts of the World. So, I guess he has a more traditional approach, although they apparently reveal the same meditation techniques, and both expect to be worshipped. That much they both definitely learned from the family business. If you just reveal techniques and don't ask for devotion/appreciation, there is no money in it. So, taking it all the way to the bank is something they have in common.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:48:15 (GMT)
From: Gilead
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Prem Pal and Sat Pal
Message:
I've emailed both gurus on their web sites, and asked directly why the delete that piece of their family origins, as if it were not their history. Both Maharaji's will not comment on each other, even in terms of their existence. Some of Maharaji's (Prem Pal) followers from Elan Vital will slip and say 'he's not a real Master, just keep playing Maharaji's videos over and over, and you will know the truth'. But then, when I say that they're both teaching the same four techniques, which I know even though he never gave me the gift (the internet did), they back off. Then, they will say that someone more qualified in the ranks of Elan Vital could answer, but not them. When Maharaji got married back in 1974 or so, I wonder what happened that his mother Mata Ji never knew about it until afterwards. Did Maharaji not respect his mom as a boy? I'm sure that Shri Hans would have never pictured such a dysfunctional family.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:42:07 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Gilead
Subject: The nuts dont fall far from the tree-
Message:
sdfhg
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:46:03 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: all the worst attax combined
Message:
fyi-in reading around here the past few daze I've had the distinct feeling that a few people have been thinking I've been using aliases...sneaking around etc........i guess because 'A Premie' has made reference to me (and tried to flatter me) etc....once and for all: I HAVE WRITTEN NOTHING UNDER ANY OTHER NAME....................and as 'kind' as the 'Premie' has tried to sound...............it feels like a FUCKING CLING-ON PARASITE on my soul!...........which is WAY worse than any of ALL the worst attacks on me combined!!! EEEWWWWW.....yuck.........fucking sinister!

ps Down there somewhere is a conversation between HAL and Oliver (I think?) and it's exactly what I meant by 'jesus Christ the kidnapped'!....when you all seem to be trying to catch someone at something etc....it's just funny...i don't mean it as a criticism....It just makes me laugh really because Vonnegut is so funny etc...

I started a new thread because i felt like if I teased you down there on that one-you would think i was 'A premie' etc........GOD! that pissed me off!!!

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 14:41:13 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: all the worst attax combined
Message:
Raina:

I've had the distinct feeling that a few people have been thinking I've been using aliases...

It's just that you could have been taking writing lessons from Bruce, though your ideas and positions seem somewhat different.

You're also in the unenviable position of seeking understanding while resenting agreement or support. There is therefore no payoff for making the attempt to understand you, even if it were possible. You might take that into account, but it's up to you.

--Scott

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 17:15:32 (GMT)
From: A premie
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Soory,oops..
Message:
Hey, sorry won't happen again. Didn't mean anything accept to appreciate your post - thought it was great the way you used ..
whatever special effects you used - don't know what you call it on computors.And thought it clever.
I won't pay any attention to your posts even,promise.
So if you can, have a good day knowing I'm out of your posting here.
Best to ya. And no need to respond even. We're done,see? Voila.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:13:12 (GMT)
From: Q
Email: None
To: A premie
Subject: Soory,oops..etc. a great example of premie...
Message:
push hands. Win by yielding. Nobody does it better. Makes me feel sad for the rest.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 17:45:01 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: A premie
Subject: WAY TOO CREEPY! a guilt trip now?
Message:
No I don't see! I see you're still here trying to engage me!...I mean i really don't care afterall (in a way) ...
I don't want to hurt your feelings etc....(or do i?)..........i have the feeling you're an android...and i really don't want you to tell me 'how you're not' etc..........

I'm not looking for 'buddies' to go into cyber battle with (your kissy flattery is more insulting to people's intelligence than anything else-not to be mean-but you don't get that do you?)...... I know in the 'real' world one is supposed to 'cultivate' relationships with 'kind' people who show interest in each other (as if they ever really do).........that's 'how the world worx' etc......but i HATE that shit....Im quite positive that you have NO idea where Im coming from (this is not good OR bad...)....you're stealing little words here and there from other's ('oops') in such a timely way as to appear a strain of Andromeda......whatever..........so good luck to you finding yourself etc..i'm sure there's someone in there somewhere etc...........

oh god! if i talk to you are you going to talk back? please don't? thanks (believe it or not im really not trying to be mean...from a distance there is harmony and all that....)

Ive probably been spending to much time here anyway....

now this is going to enforce to other's reading, that we're the schizo twins engaging in conversation with ourself..........don't you see how gross that is? (i don't want to know your answer!)

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:14:47 (GMT)
From: Q
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: What is a 'raina'? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:05:50 (GMT)
From: B oliver
Email: None
To: Q
Subject: It's Italian for rain. (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:35:58 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: B oliver
Subject: It's Italian for rain-mutlo funny
Message:
this was very funny! seriously....
but...fyi..raina is my real name...parentally given and all....

but I NEVER heard this one! (seriously)
i'm going to be using it now!-
thanx

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:05:11 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Reina means Queen in Spanish, I think.
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 09:09:19 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Reina means Queen in Spanish, I think.
Message:
Funnily enough m gave Claudia the name Rein Ji which means Queen in Hindi. That was because she was the spouse of the King(Raja Ji).

Hmmmm ifonly she would speak up now!!!!

PS I think Reina is a beautiful name

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:23:39 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Guess her parents couldn't spell either...(nt)
Message:
ha ha ha
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:50:42 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: wanna have coffee gerry? tea?
Message:
what a clever dude man...
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 08:44:48 (GMT)
From: A oliver
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Anything Goes Grinds to a Halt
Message:
Passwords required at Anything Goes! Something like a contradiction in terms don't you think? What is God doing and what upset him? It wasn't me, I rarely post there but I do enjoy a visit. Might it have been that link to some porn site that set him off? Or just the silliness of some of it. I honestly don't know. The ways of God are mysterious indeed and far beyond my comprehension. I 'pray' he will give guidance to us, his ungrateful servants, very soon, so as to put us out of our misery and give back our daily fix of 'Anything Goes.'

Can anyone throw any light on what is going on over there?

A oliver.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:50:14 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: A oliver
Subject: Anything Goes Grinds to a Halt
Message:
Dear Oliver,
Just his lila, I figured he was just toying with us! :)
'What is God doing and what upset him?... Might it have been that link to some porn site that set him off?'
Highly doubt that, no, no way! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 17:59:36 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Hi Robyn....(ot)
Message:
Just wanted to say hi and let you know that I saw Annie Difranco in Berkeley on Saturday night. She was grrrreeeaaat. She even did a set with Utah Phillips, and I understand they did an album together recently, which I want to get. That woman is amazing. She's so small but has this incredible energy and talent. She did a couple of her poems too. The program was a fundraiser for the Middle East Childrens Alliance and the Rosenberg Project.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 18:17:49 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Hi Robyn....(ot)
Message:
Dear Joe,
OK, I am jealous! Ani DiFranco will never be anywere near me unless she plays at one of those Woodstock things! I did know some people who saw her near Penn State in State College. Oh well, countrybumpkinville has its pluses and minuses like everything else.
Glad you got to see her and enjoyed it! I'll have to look for her new CD, loved how you called it an album! I do that too. :)
Jessica was accepted to grad school at San Fransisco State and Humbolt, Mel is in school in SF now but they will probably go to Humbolt, better program for Jess, a similar one for Mel, the cost of living is way less and out of the city environment! So if you need a dog sitter you'd better plan it for the next month or so. :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 18:42:23 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Humbolt State (ot)
Message:
Well, now I'm jealous. Arcata is a great town -- it's such a beautiful area up on the North Coast with both the ocean and the Redwoods. The Winters can be rainy there, but it doesn't get that cold.

I was thinking about dog sitters today. When is Jessica planning on moving? Will she be there for the Summer program?

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 19:41:27 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Humbolt State (ot)
Message:
Dear Joe,
She won't be starting until the fall sememster. I only saw the brochure and it did look beautiful! I will have to remember to visit in the nice weather!
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 20:51:50 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Humboldt State (ot)
Message:
It's quite a long drive north of San Francisco, over 300 miles, but the whole drive up there is beautiful, too. Arcata is a cool town too, because I think the Green Party actually controls the local government. Accordingly, they have very progressive environmental laws and great parks. Also, as you go North from Arcata, it get's really remote with the Redwood National Park and some other great things to see. Also, at that point and North, there are some really beautiful off-shore rock formations in the Ocean. You'll like it when you visit there.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:06:26 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Humboldt State (ot)
Message:
Thanks Joe, much more my style then SF anyway. My favorite thing there was Fort Funstin(sp) and that Thai Tofu in Peanut Sauce. Of course meeting you and Marianne were highlights also. :)
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:40:07 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: A oliver
Subject: Anything Goes,
Message:
A oliver,

Anything Goes on Anything Goes- including passwords.

An Anth

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 02:34:29 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: How was it for you? Did you feel anything?
Message:
This funny little valentine from, yes, you guessed it, ELK:

April surprise

The surprise event at Amaroo jerked me out of my 'comfort' zone, lifted me out of Adelaide and plonked me in front of Maharaji at a beautiful event in a beautiful setting.

I felt very lucky indeed.

My main memory is the following. He began to talk about how Knowledge is not about waiting for fulfilment to arrive, but is about appreciating what you have now. And at that point I began to experience appreciation. Couldn't really imagine how things could be better than how they were right then. What's wrong with heaven right now? That old thing about getting to heaven someday is the wrong way to get there! As he was saying - appreciate what love you have within you now, appreciate what fulfilment you have within you now, appreciate what contentment you have within you now, and all these will grow. If you don't appreciate what you have now then they won't grow.

So I guess I was experiencing a little bit of heaven on earth. Wasn't hard to do sitting in front of Maharaji. And to experience the magical nature of what can happen on this earth.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:46:31 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: How was it for you? Did you feel anything?
Message:
Knowledge is not about waiting for fulfilment to arrive, but is about appreciating what you have now.

This is M's whole trip now. He's become such a fucking new age philosopher. His message these days is pretty much 'Knowledge is LIFE', with a strong emphasis on LIFE. Okay. If that's so, what do I need you for? I mean, I'm already alive. Ain't I? I'm living, doing my thing, y'know. I mean, do I fail the LIFE test if I don't wake up every morning (like Mr. Bubblehead) going ooh and ahh.

Maharaji has become such a vapid bullshit artist, who has steadily watered down his message to the point where you might as well not even want anything from K. What for if K is just what it is, nothing more? Y'know, like LIFE. Whatever happenned to the good old days when we were following the perfect master of the age who was going to show us GOD! Fuck this being content with what you have now shit. I want to see GOD, man! I want to realize what you promised! I want to KNOW what only Knowledge is supposed to be able to teach me. I want to break on through, like Jim Morrison says, to the other side. But noooooo. M ain't promising that anymore. I guess he must have realized Knowledge too. It's no big wup. So that's his message these days. Only for M, it seems, no big wup is a really big fucking deal. Fuck him and fuck that.

The guy knows he's full of shit. Nothing of what he said twenty years ago has come to pass. Nobody's enlightened, and anybody who's still on this path has watered down his or her expectations to the point where they've convinced themselves that all they want from K is what they get from it, which is a long long way from what they first sought and were promised.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 17:32:58 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: How was it for you? Did you feel anything?
Message:
Do you think everyone at that event had a good time? Do you think it would be kosher in the Maharaji cult-world for anyone to say they had a lousy time? I can remember going to programs where Maharaji spoke and gave darshan, and being absolutely miserable the entire time.

What he said was trite, inchoherent and boring and he went on and on and on, darshan was a humiliating and meaningless experience, I was sick out of my mind of looking for the thousanth time at the inside of the Miami Beach Convention Center, seeing the SAME PEOPLE over and over, and staying in a 'substandard' hotel room.

I can remember watching the premies stand on their chairs and scream as Maharaji waddled around up on the stage half naked wearing a crown, to Rich Neel singing 'dance, dance dance' and wondering what the HELL was going on, and whether I was the only one who thought Maharaji looked ridiculous, and the premies like fools.

Of course, I wouldn't have ever breathed these experiences to a soul. I blamed myself for on having APPRECIATION (at least that's whey they call it now, then, Maharaji called it DEVOTION.)

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 12:33:35 (GMT)
From: James F.
Email: sharkdc
To: Jim
Subject: How was it for you? Did you feel anything?
Message:
I am sure maharaj ji is appreciating what he has right now, your
money! Duh....you don't need to pay for insights as pedestrian as this one, you can find it in any self help book any where.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 06:23:46 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: How was it for you? Did you feel anything?
Message:
'at that point I began to experience appreciation...'

We feel appreciative
You feel appreciative
They begin to experience appreciation...

...when their puppet master pushes the right buttons. I felt revulsion; sorrow; and anger both towards the pupper master and towards the mindless propagators of his depravity.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 06:02:21 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: How was it for you? Did you feel anything?
Message:
Whan that aprill with his shoures soote
The droghte of march hath perced to the roote,
And bathed every veyne in swich licour
Of which vertu engendred is the flour;
Whan zephirus eek with his sweete breeth
Inspired hath in every holt and heeth
Tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne
Hath in the ram his halve cours yronne,
And smale foweles maken melodye,
That slepen al the nyght with open ye
(so priketh hem nature in hir corages);
Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages,
And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes,
To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes;
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 06:11:27 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Scott T.
Subject: Translation
Message:
When April with his showers sweet with fruit
The drought of March has pierced unto the root
And bathed each vein with liquor that has power
To generate therein and sire the flower;
When Zephyr also has, with his sweet breath,
Quickened again, in every holt and heath,
The tender shoots and buds, and the young sun
Into the Ram one half his course has run,
And many little birds make melody
That sleep through all the night with open eye
(So Nature pricks them on to ramp and rage)-
Then do folk long to go on pilgrimage,
And palmers to go seeking out strange strands,
To distant shrines well known in sundry lands.

(Prologue to Canterbury Tales - Geoffrey Chaucer)

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 19:00:17 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Scott T.
Subject: Miami Beach Tales
Message:
Although our cult attracted many wonderfully interesting people (such as some of the exes on this site), cult dynamics precluded
us from expressing ourselves naturally and fully and creatively. Eccentric behavior (eccentric to the cult, that is) and esoteric argument was not encouraged. Smiling and satsang were the order of the day.

Hence, during our pilgramages, unfortunately, we were not entertained by such wonderful characters as the Wife of Bath, the Miller, the Pardoner, the Nun, and...who was that girlish boy who played the flute?...not that there's anything wrong with that.

Thanks for a little May Day, Chaucer, Scott. By the way, although it is Labor Day everywhere else on the planet, here it is National Law Day. Let's hear it for Jim, Marianne and Paula (my wife).

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 19:21:34 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Miami Beach Tales
Message:
I think the girlish guy who played the flute was Fuzzbee. :))

It is definitely still International Workers Day in Berkeley.

Time to sing the Internationale.

Rise up you victims of starvation....etc.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 08:35:46 (GMT)
From: James F.
Email: not given
To: JW
Subject: Miami Beach Tales
Message:
I remember Fuzzbee he was from DC, he played the flute, the guitar, and was in a premie band that played at different festivals.
Would you believe that there was a veggie sandwhich shop owned by premies in the Bethesda Air Rights Building, it was called Premlata's.(oh puke) They named a beansprout and avacado, pita bread sandwhich after this guy! I guess it was his invention, doubt that got the royalties though.
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 12:05:21 (GMT)
From: dv
Email: None
To: James F.
Subject: Miami Beach Tales
Message:
I worked a Premlatas for a while. My wages were all I could eat! Then it was off to C.O.L.L...
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:06:41 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Fuzzby, I remember him (nt)
Message:
no text
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 21:13:59 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Fuzzby and I were Denver Ashram Brothers (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 01:03:28 (GMT)
From: Gilead
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Guru Teaching People to Fly in the Air
Message:
The old guru Maharishi has a new video on his course (for some fee of course!) to teach his followers to grow from TM to Flying in the Air! I called the TM headquarters, and asked if they have any pictures of the 'Great Guru Maharishi' himself, flying, levitating up in the clowds. Guess what they gave as an answer? Marishi is 'such a humble man, he can only levitate and fly when no one is watching, its part of his spiritual practices not to show off'. His disciples can only show that they jump on mats, and call that the first step in levitating and flying.
NOT EVEN THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE TEACHES PEOPLE HOW TO FLY!!! I guess every Guru has their own marketing department with 'workshops' for 'professionals'. Hope I didn't offend any TMers out there!
Oh yes, does anyone know if the words Maharishi and Maharaji mean the same thing in the Hindi language? Which one has the biggest cult?
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 02:10:01 (GMT)
From: A premie
Email: None
To: Gilead
Subject: rishi-teacher/raj-king (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 01:13:25 (GMT)
From: addendum-flying lessons
Email: 'the wonder man guru flies'
To: Gilead
Subject: Guru Teaching People to Fly in the Air
Message:
Addendum:
Maybe Barbara Walters could do a special with Maharishi, Maharaji, Shri Satpal, Swami Bhaktipada (from his jail cell, he's the guy that was in charge of the Hare Krishnas in West Virginia, until he was convicted of leading a drug ring, and also tied to some murders), and to make it interfaith, add some Christian leaders like Rev. Jim Bakker, Rev. Ernest Angley, and the one and only Evangelist Jimmy Swaggart, and lets try to get a bona fide spokesman from the Family, founded by Moses David Berg. I wonder how many ex premies would watch the special investigative report? It would be like a carnival, if that one older guy, Maharishi, would demonstrate his flying abilities for all to see!
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 03:03:59 (GMT)
From: Jim Kweskin
Email: None
To: addendum-flying lessons
Subject: Speaking of The Family...
Message:
Has anyone seen Mel Lyman around? He was rumored to have died, but no one ever saw his corpse. Baba Walters could do a real investigative report on that one...although it might be the last report she ever does if she finds Mel.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 02:34:53 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: addendum-flying lessons
Subject: Ever watched the movie...the Kama Sutra?
Message:
In the movie there is a king who is always accompanied by servants to fan him and shout 'maharaj ki jai!' in unison. Brings back a lot of memories about the absurdities surrounding the Maharaji we know.

By the way the strike through effect that always magically appears whenever my computer types the term Maharaji means...not the greatest king. Had the keyboard specially configured to do this.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 02:39:29 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Ever watched the movie...the Kama Sutra?
Message:
Clever.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 00:42:42 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: If this young boy is God, this is the God
Message:
that the US of America deserve.

Abbie Hoffman

This is the part of the Lord of the Universe video I like the most.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 00:32:05 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Anyone going to watch 'The 70's'?
Message:
I know, it's supposed to be cheap candy but here's the plot summary:

From NBC Studios and executive producer Denise Di Novi ('Message in a Bottle' and 'Practical Magic') comes a four-hour magic carpet ride through the politics and pop culture of the 1970s as experienced by a group of twenty-something friends.
The movie begins in May, 1970. Young Republican Byron Shaw (Brad Rowe) is getting ready to graduate from Kent State University and begin his studies at Columbia Law School. His high school pal, star athlete Dexter Johnson (Guy Torry), opts to stay in the National Guard to avoid being sent to Vietnam. Byron's girlfriend, Eileen (Vinessa Shaw), and his younger sister, Christie (Amy Smart), are also students at Kent State. When rioting breaks out on the campus and a confrontation between demonstrators and Dexter's Guard unit leaves four students dead, Dexter quits the Guard and moves to Los Angeles to live with his aunt. Eileen transfers to Barnard to be near Byron, and Christie joins her in New York to pursue a modeling career.

In Los Angeles, Dexter owns a successful movie theater in Watts and falls in love with Yolanda (Leslie Silva), a community organizer. Byron leaves law school to work for the Committee to Re-elect President Richard Nixon (CREEP) and moves to Washington, D.C. Eileen abandons her conservative politics in favor of the feminist movement, working for the ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA). What she supports in theory, however, she has more trouble accepting in reality when her newly liberated mother, Connie (Kathryn Harrold), decides to divorce her father. Christie's modeling career heats up, and she becomes involved with Nick, a record producer who lives life in the fast lane. On the eve of Watergate, Byron continues to work as an informant for the Justice Department.

When Dexter is seriously injured in a politically motivated shooting, Byron is subpoenaed to testify before a Senate committee investigating internal spying. Recognizing his complicity in Dexter's attack, a disillusioned Byron leaves D.C. and moves to Alaska to work on the pipeline where he becomes involved in environmental issues. Frustrated by the sexual discrimination she endures at her low-level job at an ad agency, Eileen files a lawsuit against her employer. Meanwhile, Dexter's theater goes bankrupt and the neighborhood deteriorates, but Dexter decides to stay, opening a drug rehab center. After Nick overdoses, Christie moves to California in search of inner peace and becomes involved in a cult called 'The Path.' After the Jonestown suicides, Eileen and Byron fear for Christie's safety. When Eileen is unable to persuade her to leave, Byron asks for Dexter's help to kidnap Christie and deprogram her.

It airs tonight on NBC at 9 EDT.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:31:19 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: No.....
Message:
What a contrived bunch of crap. Everyone just so happens to be in the big news-making events of the decade and they call that script-writing. Yeah, right. And the clothes were really ugly, the hair is worse, and besides, I missed most of the 70s, I was in a cult, living as a monastic in an ashram, so it won't even be nostalgic for me. Maybe I could watch it as a historical documentary.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:27:53 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Me niether...
Message:
I made the mistake of watching the John Denver story. I did not think it was very good. I don't know if I can recover from such a disappointing and dis-illusioning experience.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:55:18 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: That's funny (and you misspelled 'neither')
Message:
Or did you? 'Neither'? Yeah, that's right. Okay, watch that.

Well I started to watch the 70s. God, what a piece of shit.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 02:10:18 (GMT)
From: ET
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Some great music, though (nt)
Message:
70's music
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:38:23 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: ET
Subject: Don't tell me you mean disco........do you? (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 00:15:49 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Does this woman know what she looks like?
Message:
From ELK:

Knowledge up-dated

Today, I realized that being up-dated on the Internet it is really a very important source of my inspiration. As always I am traveling to places that I do not know if there is any video event.

As always, I travel with a new videotape. However at this time I am travelling with my computer to keep in touch... Next week, I am going to Anchorage, a beautiful city during the summer. So, with my computer, my tape and a calm and nice place to be, I will keep inspired with all happiness and grateful feelings.

I know that there are still a lot of issues to keeping this connection. Nevertheless everyday I am happier than the day before with a tape and a computer. So better not to chance it.


Ivete Belfort Mattos
Sao Paolo, Brazil

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:51:18 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Besides that...
Message:
Hi Jim,

She reminds me of Steve Martin in 'The Jerk', when he's leaving home, and says he doesn't need anything,

'I've got the knowledge of all knowledges. I don't need anything, Well, except for my pc to check the divine websites, and the video recorder and a video, and some photos, and cassettes, and books of Heez poetry, and magazines, and my divine paperweight with a coat of arms designed by Heeem, but besides that, I don't need anything, oh yes, and my One Foundation CD, and my divine calendar, but besides that,...oh yeah, and I need to go to satellite feeds, but besides that...

Anth he don't need nothing, except...

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:30:49 (GMT)
From: Chevy Chase
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Besides that...
Message:
Anth, that's your best post since the cod fry. I was laughing out loud.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:48:36 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Besides that...
Message:
Right Anth. This woman is probably waiting for technology that will allow brain implants with endless loops of Maharaji videos. Why rely on the internet, or the availability of video recorders and satellite dishes. A premie has to be programmed, I mean inspired, constantly. Maybe this is the 'new project' that Maharaji has been working on. He will, of course, require the premies to PAY to become these robots, otherwise, what is the point?
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 00:04:02 (GMT)
From: Rated-X
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: EV's reaction to this website: propaganda flood
Message:
A few years ago when I did a web search on maharaji, there were a couple of results, one of them was here. Now if I do a search there are hundreds, most of them are pro knowledge like m's own site, appreciation, enjoyinglife, visions, etc. So what EV has done to counter the truth on this web site, is to put up tons their own sites of propaganda and register them all on the search engines. So for aspirants looking at the internet, 90% of what they find is positive, which is quite misleading.

I like to call myself Rated-X, because most premies have a 'Hollier Than Thou' attitude that really gets on my nerves, I just want to be the opposite.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 11:53:18 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Rated-X
Subject: Observer and other premies read this.........
Message:
Rated X mentioned holier than thou attitude. Here's something from your very own fatguru

' See, I don't believe in one attitude which is 'holier than thou'. I don't like holier than thou attitude at all. It bugs me, personally, when I see anybody playing 'holier than thou'-there can be differences of opinion , true. But ' holier than thou'? Maharaji , Vancouver Canada Feb 28 1985

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 19:49:29 (GMT)
From: Observer
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: Hal read this.........
Message:
Hal: You seem to get defensive when anyone implies they may have a greater understanding than you. You are not innocent here Hal. You said>>>“Have you ever tried practising Knowledge without a master?I have and it works just the same, thanks.” Can you take a step back and see how condescending and spiritually superior your statement could be construed?

When you said your experience of meditation is no different now than it was when you considered yourself a premie, my response was that Maharaji must not have been very real for you then. What’s so spiritually superior about that? Especially when you later substantiated my suspicion by saying it *was* all a fantasy for you.

I’m sorry I didn’t sugar coat my questioning enough for you and you felt I was demonstrating superiority. I really have no way of knowing how sensitive you are to such things. Then again if all you want is a one-way conversation then I can’t help you at all. If that is the case then you are on a road to finding all the answers to your questions, whether they are the right ones or not.

Something else tha's kinda funny is how you use a quote from Maharaji to support your position, who you publically discredit and who by virtue of making his statement from the podium of being a “Master” automatically implies spiritual superiority. Does that seem odd to you Hal?

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 07:24:35 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Observer
Subject: I read it , so what....
Message:
Hey, Guess what Obs,

I don't have to pretend to be ' spiritual' anymore. I don't fucking care about who has the greater understanding.

No I can't see how spiritually condescending it is to say that meditation works without a fat Indian guy ripping you off for the rest of your life.

So what if Maha wasn't real for me. He's a fucking fake, If you still think he's anything special I hope you wake up from your self induced trip oneday.

I don't mind having a conversation with you , but it's not so you can try and tell me what a great devotee of the living trickster you are and how I've made a big mistake.

It may surprise you to hear that I am not full of questions about it all anymore. It's clear enough to me what the important things are in my life, thank you very much.

I quoted Maha to you and other premies who think his every word is from the Lord. Look again and you'll see that I said , From your very own Fatguru.......not mine.

I get the strong feeling that I've chatted to you before. Why do premies keep their identity secret? You come on with the greatest devotee since Hanuman trip , yet you won't say who you are. As far as I've seen here there isn't a single premie who has given their true name. I'll tell you why I use a pseudonym before you come back at me on that. It's because I have some premie friends who I like very much. They would be very offended by some of the honest opinions about the cult that I express here. I don't think they're ready to accept what has happened to me. When I was into the trap I was known as a very steadfast devotee of Miragey. They already shy away from me, like they want to make signs against demons and wave garlic around! Something I find quite fascinating is that these dear friends never ask me why I've left or venture to discuss it all. Why is that? What are they afraid of?

If you are the mirror please tell me. Thanks Hal.

Haven't you got bored yet with looking at how the losers live? You seem mighty fascinated with this forum too! Hal

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:27:10 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Observer
Subject: Observer, read this ........
Message:
1) I can't recall if you've been asked this before but hve you ever posted here under another name? If so what name and why did you change it?

2) I'll wait for an answer to one first.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 03:02:01 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim....Jim....Jim....is that like in...
Message:
Jim Croce? As in like, 'I got a name'? You do seem to like that song!
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 03:09:23 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Jim....Jim....Jim....is that like in...
Message:
Forgive me, I have this thing about liking to know who I'm talking to. Especially when I've already talked to them before but they're pretending otherwise. And you? How do you feel about this?
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:30:19 (GMT)
From: gErRy
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Ding Dong, Avon calling...
Message:
Uh, Jim the little thingy on the left top is the 'from' box. It says Daneane which I believe is pronounced 'Danny Ann.' AKA Remy. Remember? god what are you smoking??? I want some...
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 10:30:16 (GMT)
From: OH! That's ur pro....
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: Ding Dong, Avon calling...yes! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:41:47 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: Arrest yourself, officer
Message:
Gerry,

I was talking about 'Observer', not Daneane. Far be it from you to go off half-cocked. Is something wrong? :)

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:19:33 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: Danny who?
Message:
Nice try Gerky..oops, I mean, Gerry. It's like Janine, but with a 'd'. Well, and a few other letters are different too.

The name thing though...that matters. I admit agreeing with Mr.Croce.

It's too easy to spout off under different names. It was especially hard to surrender Remy for my real name, given its uniqueness.

I think its even harder here since all is archived and pretty engraved in stone...that and with vast differences of opinions and an amazing passion to express it...well, its pretty hard to do the circular logic thang.

Then there is that other issue I have with Ms. Garafolo...

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:43:45 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Thanks, Daneane
Message:
I've been using the Ms. Garofalo-inspired pronunciation ('Dane-Ann'), but now I know the truth. Appreciate it.

Take care -
Katie

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:00:48 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: No problem, kuuh-tie.(nt)
Message:
'I am certain of some definite errors in my thinking. Example, knowing I can't know.'
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:20:57 (GMT)
From: Gerky
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: WELL YOU ASKED FOR IT !!!
Message:
didn't you?

I thought I remembered your challenging people to pronounce your name. Maybe not. My second guess was going to be 'Danny Anny' but I figured few parents would be so cruel.

Actually I think 'Danny Ann' is kinda cool, but your correct pronunciation is too.

And job up on recognizing the fraud before the hook was set.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:12:52 (GMT)
From: Dan-e-annie
Email: None
To: Gerky
Subject: WELL YOU ASKED FOR IT !!!
Message:
Hey Gerky,

Cruelty of parents. Yeah, you try learning to spell a name like Daneane.

You remember right...I did ask for it..about how to pronounce my name. Don't worry, you are not the first one to get it wrong.

Another way to remember it's pronunciation is that is sounds very much like, 'demean'. I've always enjoyed that similarity.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 16:23:42 (GMT)
From: gErRy
Email: None
To: Dan-e-annie
Subject: WELL YOU ASKED FOR IT !!!
Message:
Sounds like a real horror story, Daneane. I guess it's all a matter of degrees...
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 03:50:34 (GMT)
From: yz
Email: None
To: Rated-X
Subject: EV's reaction to this website: propaganda flood
Message:
Just be You!
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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 23:35:50 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Gingko Biloba (ot)
Message:
Anybody hear of this stuff? It's supposed to be some kind of miracle brain herb to cure whatever ails you, from depression to memory loss to even alzheimer's. Anybody here ever try this stuff? What was your reaction to it? Did it make a difference?
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 07:55:04 (GMT)
From: Mr B.
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Angels
Message:
Jerry,
Angels can fly because they take themselves so lightly.
Mr Bubblehead performing his daily good deed.
Mr B
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:03:48 (GMT)
From: Mr Bubblehead
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Gingko Biloba (ot)
Message:
Jerry, I know you'll find this hard to believe, but I used to be a bit of an airhead, and some days could hardly remember my name. But a couple of weeks after taking Ginko, and my memory was sharp and clear, and I reckon my laughing increased by a factor of 2. I haven't taken it for about a year and I still feel sharp as a tack.
Run is right, it works by increasing blood flow to the extremities, and BTW, your dick is an extemity too ya know.
Mr Bubblehead
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 20:11:24 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Mr Bubblehead
Subject: Gingko Biloba (ot)
Message:
Hi Mr. Bubblehead,

Are you sure it's not a MIRACLE that's the cause of gingko's remarkable effects? I mean, let's not be practical about this and tie it into something as blase as physiological effects. That's boring.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:41:02 (GMT)
From: Mr Bubblehead
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Now that you mention it,
Message:
it it pretty damn extrordinary that here is a tree that helps to improve our memory, enjoyment of life and who knows what else. It could be that you're looking at this back to front. If the universe is one big conscious entity, then it's quite rationalellllllll, rationalillllll (Sorry, I just can't say that word Jerry), logical. Trees that improve our memory, plants that help with cancer, etc, etc. It is amazing. Assuming that a miracle is something we don't understand, then I Mr Bubblehead, declare that you, Jerry, are a walking, talking miracle.
Mr Bubblehead
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:24:49 (GMT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Mr Bubblehead
Subject: Gingko Biloba (ot)
Message:
Hey bubbie,
Glad you could remember your name. It really fits.

BTW, some people have more trouble with cerebral vascular insufficiency than others. In spite of increased blow flow to all extremities, an 'airhead' will probably benefit more from gingko's ability to improve blood supply by dilating and toning blood vessels in their head. You obviously think with your 'other head' just fine.

It can also reduce blood-clotting throught antagonism of platelet-aggregating factor, and prevent membrane damage by means of its antioxidant activities.

Since cerebral insufficiency seems to be your problem, I'll mention that in a 1992 critical review and analysis of 40 clinical studies, all studies reported positive results.

Those Chinese have a lot of nerve using this herb 5000 years before these studies.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 23:59:45 (GMT)
From: Mr B.
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Gingko Biloba (ot)
Message:
Dear Mr Runamok, I would dearly love to respond to your post, if only I was able to understand what the fuck you are talking about.
Yours Truly
Mr B
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 00:18:21 (GMT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Mr B.
Subject: Gingko Biloba (ot)
Message:
It's not really my fault that you're in over your head, bubbie.

Try reading really slowly and look up words that you don't know. If you go really slow it helps and if you're patient sometimes it clicks, if not the first time, the second.

Good luck, bubbie and don't pop your top!

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:05:08 (GMT)
From: Mr B
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Boo Hoooooo.
Message:
Yeah, well that's easy for you to say, 'cause you're a real brain and all. It's not my fault I was born a little bubblehead, so have a little compassion, why don't ya.
Mr B reaching for the tissues.
Mr B
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 13:34:40 (GMT)
From: Donna Shalala
Email: None
To: Mr Bubblehead
Subject: Perhaps It Should Be Renamed Dinko Biloba (nt)
Message:
Perhaps it should renamed it Dinko Biloba. (nt)
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 11:40:33 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Mr Bubblehead
Subject: Gingko Biloba (ot)
Message:
Dear Mr. B.,
'and BTW, your dick is an extemity too ya know.'
I think you may just have helped the ginko industry big time! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 02:14:33 (GMT)
From: A premie
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Gingko Biloba
Message:
There was a small mention in a report on Peter Jennings or something - that scientifically they found the stuff really works.
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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 23:45:51 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Gingko Biloba (ot)
Message:
Dear Jerry,
I don't know abut the depression but I have used it with great affect! I was just thinking the other day I need to get some. Haven't taken it in a few years but I noticed a striking change in the clairity of my mind!!! I also noticed that after taking one or 2 bottles over months of time that I didn't notice the effects anymore so would stop and take it again in awhile. I would usually be able to find it on a buy one get one free sale. If you try it let me know how you find it working for you.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 03:55:22 (GMT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Gingko Biloba (ot)
Message:
It is supposed to work mostly by increasing circulation in extremeties, which is why it is credited for possible increased mental capacity. (The head is an extremity.) But it has other effects.

It was mentioned in a Chinese medical text from 2,800 B.C., the _Pen T'sau Ching_.

One good source for more info is www.lef.org.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 09:40:03 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Thanks Run (nt)
Message:
fgwt
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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 22:16:09 (GMT)
From: Silver
Email: silver@notgotoneyet
To: Everyone
Subject: crucifixion
Message:
These messiahs, enlightened ones, satgurus etc.
There's only one language they understand
>>>>>>> http://www.crucifyme.com/>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 22:20:32 (GMT)
From: Linker
Email: None
To: Silver
Subject: crucifixion link
Message:
Crucify Me
the link.
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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 22:09:17 (GMT)
From: Blood
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Who is Alpen Sun, Pure Voice LLC, Applied Theory
Message:
Who is Alpen Sun, the registrant for the Maharaji.org? Anybody know?

Registrant:
Alpen Sun (MAHARAJI5-DOM)
Address and phone deleted for this post...
(available on who is server)

Agoura, CA 91301 US

Domain Name: MAHARAJI.ORG

Administrative Contact, Billing Contact:
Services, Registrar (SR790-ORG) purevoice@INAME.COM
PureVoice, LLC.
Thousand Oaks, CA 91358US
Address and phone deleted for this post
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Administration, DNS Dns (NDA5)

Hostmaster@APPLIEDTHEORY.COM
AppliedTheory Communications, Inc.
Address and phone deleted for this post
Syracuse, NY 13212-4311

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 22:47:40 (GMT)
From: Blood
Email: None
To: Blood
Subject: they sound like aliases... (the registrants names)
Message:
Look at the names of the registrant of the domain name and the adminsistrative contact...They sound fake don't they?
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:44:37 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Blood
Subject: Alpen Sun's address
Message:
Alpen Sun's address is an office building, but no suite number is given on the domain registration info. I don't know who/what Alpen Sun is.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:53:50 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Alpen Sun's address...good research...thanx (nt)
Message:
no text
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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 20:16:40 (GMT)
From: Gilead
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Challenge For the Two Sons of Shri Hans
Message:
If either of the two sons of Shri Hans, or any of their 'appointed spokespersons' read this message, why not step forward and let us know why the two of you deny the existence of each other, if 'existence is the fundamental' preached about so much? If you guys had a falling out and can't reconcile (though I thought the Vedas teach that one should love his brother and sister, and do his or her best to reconcile differences as soon as possible), how can you teach others about peace and love, etc.?
Finally, why don't either of you ever answer any honest questions on your web sites? Do you have some kind of an Adept chamber like the Masons, and see a newcomber as not advanced enough (despite your teachings of simplicity being the fundamental, etc.) to handle an honest reply to tough questions?
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 03:54:41 (GMT)
From: gisilver
Email: None
To: Gilead
Subject: Make that 4
Message:
4 sticks that couldnt be tied together.
No love to bring them together.
spritual ego's are impossible to save.
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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 14:10:35 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think
Message:
for themselves.

By Steve Hassan

I have been on vacation, to Disneyworld, I had a wonderful time. I am reading this book and I think it is GREAT! It is about how to help people out of cults. Very well written.

Over and over again it amazes me just how alike all cults really are. Apparently, it amazes all cult members. Moonies think that premies, Krishnas and Scientologists are cults but not themselves. Just like we thought, at one time, we looked like a cult but were just terribly misunderstood. We were in a garden variety cult, like so many others.

Its a great book!

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 19:04:59 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think
Message:
It sounds like a good book, Susan. I haven't read it but what crossed my mind was how ordinary people view cults. Somehow my mother never thought I was in a cult and that's confusing to me now.

I think people consider cults on a scale of 'kidnapping'. The more kidnapped someone is, the more of a cult they're in. If a family has no access to someone there's no question they're in a cult. And of course, the more 'weird' it is, the more of a cult it is.

For people who weren't in the ashram (I'm guessing more than 70%) it was probably easier to gain some acceptance from family members. In the mid-seventies, most premies started dressing conventionally, and the guys cut their hair short. Alot of parents probably saw this a good effect. And Johnny and Jane got jobs and stopped doing drugs.

When I thought of cults back in the day, I thought of the Children of God and Moonies. And when the Jim Jones group did the suicide thing, no on questioned that was a cult.

I think most people don't think of Scientology as a cult. Probably for the same reason alot of people thought premies weren't in a cult. Somehow it could just be pulled off. After all, do John Travolta and Michael Nouri seem like they're in a cult? The Manson girls were another story.

Anyway, just some thoughts.

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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 23:52:08 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think
Message:
I think most people DO think Scientology is a cult. In fact, I do not know any non scientologists who do not think it is a cult. I am sure there are some though.

It is funny as John Travolta is mentioned in the book. Apparently he does some of the 'introductory videos' for that cult. It is common apparently to think that movie stars are somehow immune to cults. Why would they be any less vulnerable to them than anyone else? But, he does state that the experience the famous member has in any cult is essentially different than the rank and file member. Because the celebrity has the ability to appear to legitimize the cult s/he is a valued member and usually gets special treatment. I think Michael Nouri certainly got (gets? is he still a premie?) special treatment.

( Isn't Tom Cruise also a scientologist? Sad. )

It is a really good book. Funny about your mom. My mom damn well knew I was in a cult. I could see though, some of the people I knew stayed at the fringed of the cult and maintained a semblance of a normal life. I could see their parents not wanting to believe they were cult members. I also think in a way a few of the fringe people were not cult members....that they never really bought the trip hook line and sinker. That too, is not unique to our cult! Apparently there are 'fringe' members of many cults. In fact, he mentions TM, that a few people just do a little bit of meditating and really do not 'join' the cult, and that others go to their big center and become indoctrinated in a bonafide cult. I find that very believable, given my experiences with premies.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 01:14:41 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think
Message:
Movie stars would be less vulnerable to cults because they're strongly connected to society. They have to mingle and schmooze with agents, producers, casting directors, and other stars. They can't go anywhere without being recognized and most importantly they can't really proselytize in public. I've never heard Travolta or Cruise or even Nouri mention their cults on TV talk shows or interviews. I used to go to Nouri's Venice Beach condo for satsang in the early eighties. It was like 'glamour satsang'; all about looking good and socializing. Nouri and his agent girlfriend had a 'real' life. I think the Guru was more of a token he wore than anything.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 03:58:30 (GMT)
From: 97 lb weakling
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think
Message:
tarvolta tried to push his stuff to oprah.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:32:38 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: 97 lb weakling
Subject: Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think
Message:
Dear 97,
I thought I remembered Travolta talking Scientology on some show but couldn't remember what show it was. Thank god you are a weakling and apparently watching lots of tv! :)
Robyn
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 13:51:37 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: 97 lb weakling
Subject: Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think
Message:
I missed that. That had to be nasty, but I have to say 'Oprah deserves it'.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:03:02 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Oprah...my sister calls her Deepak Oprah
Message:
so I must agree that she might seem like ripe meat for any self respecting cult recruiter. Wow, and what a catch she would be. I'd say if any premie could bring Oprah into the cult they would have a E ticket to the residence.

I think Oprah has toned down her own Guru tendencies in the last year or two. I think over the years she has been exposed to the concept of a cult and would not want to either lead or join one.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:19:44 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Oprah...my sister calls her Deepak Oprah
Message:
Yeah, I think Oprah is anti-cult but she's very New Age. It's convenient for people who are fortunate to adopt New Age ideas because it affords them the luxury of believing their fortune is the result of spiritual superiority. It also relieves the guilt of being more fortunate than others because they are seen as less spiritually evolved. It's like a cult without the 'cult'.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:22:11 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Actually, that's an excellent point
Message:
Divine rights of kings kind of thing.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 16:00:52 (GMT)
From: J. Edgar
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Her Real Name Is Doprah Winfrey (nt)
Message:
m
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:29:37 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: J. Edgar
Subject: So you're not the same J Edgar as posted below?
Message:
So you're not the same J Edgar as posted below?
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 00:51:33 (GMT)
From: J. Edgar
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: No. Obviously a slip-up on my part. Jesting. (nt)
Message:
m
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:56:03 (GMT)
From: A Vacuum
Email: None
To: J. Edgar and cq
Subject: Obviously all Hoovers suck! (nt)
Message:
Obviously all Hoovers suck! (nt)
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:05:40 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Does Oprah have ties to a cult? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:34:55 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: everyone
Subject: oxygen.com...would be a great place to make some
Message:
email expose submittals by some ex-premie 'sisters'. A really wonderful email with links to incriminating pictures could be composed and sent to the editors of oxygen. They are constantly looking for topics to discuss on thier oprah goes on line segment which airs at 7 or 8 pm in central and mountain time zones.

I say sisters in jest and in some seriousness because the program is basically women oriented. I you have not seen the program I recommend it. They go on a little search party using two flat screen Compac cable modem machines and then show everything that they have uncovered to the national television audience.

I think oprah might just be able to relate to the coming out of premie slavery slant because of all of her work regarding the abominations of slavery.

I can just see her eyes rollin now when she looks at
Woman kissing feet of man who think's he is god

modern day subservience

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 17:38:29 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Are those GREAT pictures on the net? Where?
Message:
I hope they can be added to the permanent collection available to aspirants and everyone else. They tell a lot. Thanks.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 20:10:03 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Are those GREAT pictures on the net? Where?
Message:
These are from Jean-Michel Kahn's site. I just linked to the pictures themselves under alternative titles.
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 22:18:41 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Thanks (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:31:03 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Not that I know of nt
Message:
Not that I know of
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 00:33:44 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think
Message:
Hi Susan,
I was a fringe member, I guess. I lived in a premie house and signed over my pay check and owned a car I never drove except every Mon and Tues I'd drive my car from NJ to the area I living in now and where my daughter's father was back then living on a farm growing veggies for premies. They also paid for myself and my daughter's dad to go to concerts, we went to 3 while I lived there. It wasn't a harsh life. I wonder if I would have bought into it at all if it had been more strict at the time. I'd like to think I'd have stirred clear of it. I had just left the very oppressive family home I'd been in for 18 years and I wasn't about to let someone MAKE me feel guilty or do anything I didn't want to do. That is just what happened too, when they told me to stay there when I decided to move on, I laughed, the absurtity was plain to me.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 22:07:14 (GMT)
From: Silver
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think
Message:
I wuz up the pub the other day and someone said how can anyone be so stupid as to follow some crackpot 'cos he says all you have to do is stick your finger in yer eyes and in yer ears.
If you follow these orders you will never suffer or have any bum times and you will understand why things happen and, if you should ever die you would go to heaven for all eternity.
do John Travolta and Michael Nouri seem like they're in a cult?
I THINK SO !!!!!!
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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 01:04:17 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Silver
Subject: Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think
Message:
How 'bout Tom Cruise?
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 01:11:54 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Releasing the Bonds: Empowering people to think
Message:
i'm wondering how the people who came from different religous upbringings
originally acted as completely different 'instructors' you know?
say for example 'ultra-strict catholic'...

i mean people in this thread are saying things like 'i hate Tom Cruise'
or I hate Travolta etc...as if that's the point! when the point is
Power vs. Vulnerability within the game of 'religion'.....

when i was trying to honestly talk about the excitement of meeting
'stars' and how that PLAYED into the whole weird trip....people (usually)
act like they aren't the type to be so easily impressed (which is usually
bullshit...)...

anyway...sorry if this was confusing...i'm watching tv-but was at the same
time excited about posting to you....later

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 15:30:07 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: I agree
Message:
I have seen Tom Cruise interviewed and I must say he did not seem like a cult member to me at all. John Travolta I think seems to have a monstrous ego I think I would dislike him if I knew him.

But it brings me back to the fact that I did not think even all premies acted like cult members. Some people sort of hung out on the fringes, ignored the directives that offended them and sort of dabbled in it. Maybe Tom Cruise approaches Scientology this way? If you get a chance to read the book I think you would enjoy the discussion on celebrities in cults. I thought it was right on , and your opinions on Nouri fit right in with it.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:16:07 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: I agree
Message:
Suan,
That would be me that you would be referring to.

(***Warning*** Elaine B. is new name for 'A premie' I'm announcing it for awhile - guess it was needed).

I don't feel at all that I acted like a cult member. ( I was in the ashram.) So I should make that present tense.

I actually only started posting because of all the different types of people here - I felt one voice wasn't being expressed. And that was the voice of what I call - a healthier premie-.
I know I'll get ripped for saying that. But,from what I gathered the premies that did post here were ' condescending or arrogant'.
I hate them. (That's why I avoid video events - if you've read anything below.) I find them filled with judgement and generally not loving or clear. In my opinion, most don't meditate.

OK, hate is a little extreme. I don't want to be around them - bless their little hearts.

I haven't 'propagated' as someone called it (Oliver?) in way over ten years and suggest to folks interested in trying to meditate to go some place else saying you wouldn't want the techniques I learned because of all the hoops you have to jump though.
So now, some here think of me more as an ex,I guess. But,I'm not.
I'm just not a condescending type premie. In fact, let me at 'em.

I'm trying to figure out who some people are. As Susan are you also SB?
I posted to you because it seemed you'd understand.
I'm a little gun shy - hope I didn't butt into your thread and offend.
Thank you,
Elaine B.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:36:31 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: Stands for Super Brat...
Message:
Hi Elaine,

No, I am not Susan...

SB

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:19:26 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: what part was I referring to you with?
Message:
The part in which I said all premies did not seem to buy the trip in a cultish way? It is hard for me to see though, that anyone who was in the ashram was not buying it in a cultish way. Only because being in the ashram by definition, at least in the time I was there 1975-1979, neccessitated a lot of very cultlike behavior. Rising in the morning and singing Arti, poverty, chastity and obedience to a master who practiced none of these things, making the ashram and the other premies your 'true' family rather than those who loved and raised you from childhood. Ashram love, premie love, was very conditional, love and approval were withdrawn when one spoke his doubts, deviated from the party line, or pointed out in consistancies. That isn'y real love. It is a part of mind control. Do you not agree?

Do you think that other cults practice mind control? Do you think moonies who marry in mass ceremonies are truly exericisng free choice? After all, these people are indoctiranted to have terrible fears of what will happen to them if they leave. Same with Krishnas, and Scientolgists, and Children of God. All these people feel tremendous fear of speaking doubts, being corrupted and losing approval of the cult memebers and cult leader.

But what we all share, that is positive, is what led us into these cults. Idealism, wanting a deeper spirituality, and a more meanigful one. Good people join cults, kind loving creative people. And these people are systematicaly drawn into a culture of mind control in which they come to believe that doing good for humanity is somehow accomplished by supporting the cult leader and following him or her as the all powerful all knowing person with the key to the 'truth'. All these cults are just as certain they have the truth as we once were. Really, they are. They all think that all the other groups are cult but theirs is the 'real' one.

Do you disagree Elaine?

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:17:40 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: what part was I referring to you with?
Message:
That was a mouthful,and the next post of yours, too.
Numbering your questions would make it easier.
Try to find the thread where Oliver and A.P. and Jim first asked me questions around April 28 or 29. I got majorly barraged with questions - I should not have used the name ' A premie' - It was like taking on all the karmic debt of every premie that wronged eveybody. Whew.
But I wanted to be myself and accept whatever I got. So I'm not complaining, it was just time consuming.

To ans a little from above. I thought I claified before,tho...
yes I was in the ashram 74-79 - but PRESENTLY do not act like your typical cultish premie. Did - don't .

I disagree about the ashram love,premie love being conditional -
tho I'm sure you experienced that - but being the rebel I am/was - I loved people/premies that were weird or left the ashram or whatever. I was like a pariah when I left. People were moving in and I left-very odd timing for the community and that night went to sat sang as usual and it was like I had AIDS or open sores - it was great you would have loved it I'm sure. The BRAVE ones came up to me after ss and expressed how I blew their concepts - they thought I was 'monmot' and well, there I was the shining, sweet, centered, nice gal I always was. I can't stand concepts. Love blowing them. Want to say can't stand premies - but it's ANYONE'S concepts - whoever has them.It's the closed mindedness.Not the person.
Ever see the bumper sticker ' A mind is like a parachute - it only works when it's open.'
I have a open mind about M's many problems. Pls, find other posts - if you can't ask me again. Oh,it leads to the great post of Jim's where he says he's glad he's not me. One of my personal favs. Love that guy.

Yes, I am guilty of many lifetimes ago putting down other gurus and teachings - GMJ's was the only true way to God and enlightenment. I know better now. To each his own.
And kissing Lotus Feet is not a direct ride to salvation.

**Other cults practising mind control**I don't know - it seems it from the outside but I can't speak for them.

I am certainly the only one I talk with that when a heinous murder happens in my city - and everyone is saying they should kill the bastard they arrested and all -what do I think?
I say I wasn't there and I'm not in the courtroom and we're not getting all the information from the media and we can't be a good judge - we don't really have a clue - even when we're ON a jury we don't hear the whole story. So you know, who am I to say what the other cults are doing. When I talk to an INDIVIDUAL eye to eye I can give a fair assessment. My perceptions are very keen.

Anyway, that was much more then I thought I had time for.
Hope,that helps you know me more. You say I intrigue you -
it's not that hard - just read some posts under 'A premie' - which reminds me I'm not 'premie' - tho had a short conversation w/ him below. That was fun. Haven't heard back. Oh,well.

See ya, Elaine B.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:37:58 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: more for Elaine
Message:
I am intrigued by you. I have come to the opinion that the premies who typically post here are in no way represntative of the average premie. Premies I knew, and liked, just would not approach the argument at all. They would have refused to participate, because, frankly, I think they would have to deal with a lot of things they just do not want to face. Scary things. I think most of the premies who come hear to fight are not at all interested in a real dialogue. When they get asked the hard questions, they just won't face them in an honest way. Maybe you will. I hope so. It would make talking with you very unique.

Here is my lithmus test of an ability to discuss Rawat in a non cultlike way. Do you think he has made any mistakes? How would you advise him to change? Would you like him to explain the phenomenon of the Lord of the Universe years? Do you think he owes us all, and our families, any apologies for allowing us to worship him as the Lord of the Ujniverse, Superior Power in Person ( recall he himself wrote that line in Arti) ? Do you think he is a mere human, fallable like us all? Is it okay for him to have benefited so tremendously from people worshiping him as god if indeed he is not? What sort of apology, explanation do premies and ex premies deserve from him? These truly are legitimate questions. If a person is not in a cult s/he would not
avoid taking them on honestly.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:36:22 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: more for Elaine
Message:
Susan just saw that some good stuff - to save me time - went into inactive. Pls. read - just so I can move on is all.
Gotta run,even now.
Elaine B.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 22:27:04 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: more for Susan
Message:
Susan,
It may take you awhile to get to the posts from just a few days ago in inactive to do catch up - so I won't be as intriquing to you anymore.
Also, while you're at it - notice that I don't think I've asked any ques. of anyone. I've been polite enough to ans all the ques asked of me I think. Only to then be slammed. Have you noticed that yet? Ok, now I think I'd like to ask a ques or 2 before I ans more from anyone. Since you're the one asking politely at the moment...May I ask you please?
Do you know what your motivation is in asking me all your questions?
If you don't,would you ask yourself and get back to me?
As you know, you said most premies don't engage in a dialogue,
Perhaps you don't want to either. Maybe you want me to look at my beliefs and then expose them as stupid and idiotic, aka 'slam me '. That has already gotten pretty old.
So your intentions would be nice to know. I hope that sounds fair to you.
Thank you,
Sincerely,
Elaine B.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 04:45:04 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: more for Elaine B.
Message:
Hi Elaine,

FYI, I'm a non-anything, and after having tried to dialogue with a premie (who wouldn't admit he was) for about two months, it was only through visiting this site that I realized the truth about his m-status. I am still slowly learning the full implications of this, but Susan is quite right - and I have tried 'dialoguing' with a few premies since. Although they can be quite intelligent, the upshot of all they spout (regurgitate) is so full of contradictions and holes that all pluses are reduced to zero by the minuses (to know everything is to know nothing? or something like that, yup, I'm absolutely convinced that that is our ultimate goal (?) or maybe it's gaol - jail in Britishese). How can you have a dialogue with people who can't think out of the m-loop? I am coming to greatly respect the compassionate efforts of Susan and many others who try to 'dialogue' with premies in the hopes of helping them out of the morass of m.

Apart from the fact that I've been very busy, I didn't respond to your 'response' last weekend because my first reaction was that it was patronizing sarcasm. On a few re-reads I'm not sure where you're coming from at all. I believe you were responding to my personal comments at the end, which were, 'I believe in getting into and understanding the pain underlying the anger. Just 'venting' anger seems to create more. One of my colleagues says that all anger comes from an inability to communicate. Worth considering IMO.'

You responded:

Ex. Once a friend wanted to go to dinner -I said I was SOO pissed at my boss that I couldn't be good company. She was SOOO disappointed. So I said ok and while on the drive there I screamed into a pillow (at my boss). And then said ok - I'm fine. And she absolutely couldn't believe the change in me. I was actually smiling. We learned in that center that if you don't get rid of it - it builds up and we then would go back to drugs as an escape. It was a release tech.

Anyway, didn't want to disagree but, I am .
Elaine B.

Are we talking about the same kind of anger? 'pissed at my boss' sounds like a rather trivial example of anger, but please forgive me if I'm misinterpreting. (or, what kind of world do you 'live' in, were you born on the same planet as everyone except Drunvalo Melchezedic?)

I wonder how you'll deal with real anger of having your most 'sincere' love betrayed by a (words can't describe what m IS). I also wonder, assuming that 'screaming into a pillow' has worked on some deeper anger you may have had, if you are not highly suggestible to hypnotism/reprogramming. Have you suggested this technique to Jim, or Angry, or Blood Boils? I'm sure they'd appreciate your success story with that marvelous 'technique' and you'd be doing a real service for your fellow humans too!

And BTW, that last remark was a clincher. It really does sound quite smug, don't you think? So sweetly disageeable. (think passive-aggressive) You would make m proud!!! (and your grammar is bad, but m sure wouldn't notice that so I wouldn't worry)

And also BTW, do you bow down to pictures of m like all the other cult members I've ever known bow down to pictures of their gurus? It's an amazing phenomenon, don't you think? Especially in this day and age, what with international communication being so easy and all.

You know what frustrates me about all of this? There are hardly any intelligent and 'spiritually' interested people out here to dialogue with because so many have been sucked into a mindless guru vortex. But you know something? I'm not angry about it - but it's not because I screamed into a pillow - and that doesn't change reality anyways, does it? Nope, some things you have to come to terms with in a different way. But hey, that's just my opinion.

Sincerely,

Stonor

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:03:20 (GMT)
From: Elaine B
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: more for Elaine B.
Message:
Stonor,
Well,that also was a mouthful to respond to - I may get interrupted before I respond fully.

Let's see - I understand it being hard to dialogue with most premies. Have you caught any of my posts to them? No response so far,darn.

Thank you for mentioning the reason you didn't respnd sooner. I didn't give it another thought.But it shows your sensitivity.

Also,ty for re-reading my post. Yes, isn't it amazing the difference alittle time makes in the first reaction to a post.
Someone said - people here read one sentence or word and miss all else and respond to 'that'. It would be a nicer place 'to me' if people would do just that rather than react to what they 'think' some one said. But if I ruled the world...

I'll bet your colleague's right . I'm going to ask around and get some more opinions. I always hear anger=fear. But my take is anger=frustration,fear,lack of control and a list of others if I think about it, I'm sure.

Yes there is quite a diff in degrees of anger.

Though the thought of Jim with a pillow OVER his head while he's supine screaming into it has probably crossed people's minds - never mine,however. Love ya,Jim.

If you know me - I am WAY not smug.
I wrote it wrong or you read it wrong or it was just not taken in the way I meant it, you know. It's hard seeing things in print and getting them right. Not important enough to explain,do you think?

I do see the grammar mistake.

Well,I don't bow down to M's pictures. But in the 70's I did and remember getting really high from it. Did you ever - back then?
Being raised Catholic impresses a person differently.
I have fundamentalists friends that can't even IMAGINE why anyone would have a Virgin Mary statue, for ex, in their church - Why it's just unthinkable and then they quote some bible verse or something. Me, I love all the frankensense and stained glass windows I see. Was raised on stories of visions and saints/saints and visions. We're all so different.

Oh gotta go,
Will get back later.
Elaine

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 14:01:24 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: more from Susan
Message:
Hi Elaine,

I did not have time yesterday to go back and look at the previous threads, but I will try to today. But I think I can answer your questions anyway.

My motivation for asking you the questions was to discover if you are applying critical thinking to your relationship with Rawat. Also, I wanted to see if you are able to say anything critical about him at all as very few premies can. I need to look back at everything you said, but I what I recall is I only saw criticisms of the cult not the leader. But, I loved, you are right, that you had the guts to attend satsang the day you left the ashram. I think it is wonderful that you judged other premies less than the typical ashram premie. Why do I care? Because I was once a premie. I care because I think premies are generally very nice people and they are trapped in a mindset that does not allow them to think for themselves. I think many fears are instilled in them that make the act of examining the organization and its leader in an objective way something they just cannot do. I asked out of caring, and curiosity.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 02:15:56 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: Those aren't mutually exclusive, Elaine
Message:
I like engaging premies in dialogue with the express goal of exposing their beliefs as stupid and idiotic. Dialogue with a purpose.
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 14:56:04 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim's likes...
Message:
Jim,
Posting the obvious gets tiresome doesn't it? Take a load off,rest awhile,dear.

Elaine B.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 20:10:51 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: Jim's likes ... would they include his own beliefs
Message:
Jim's likes ... would they include his own beliefs when he was a premie?

On the whole, I'd say not.

In fact, if I'm brave/foolish enough to get off the fence I so often sit on, I'd say that the aggression Jim often expresses towards the 'premie mind-set' is an outlet for the disgust he feels toward himself for allowing himself to be duped by the Maha's trip.

Then again, when he does eventually forgive himself for getting conned, who is going to give the current premies as good a kick up the backside as Jim does?

OK, Jim, there it is - for what it's worth. My armchair-philosophers' ha'pence worth that does very little justice to you as a person. But I felt it needed saying.

What do you think? Is your (and to a lesser degree my own) attitude to the 'toe-suckers' just projected self-hatred toward the kind of person we COULD have continued being?

At least we can benefit from the hindsight of realising we were wrong.

Should we be prepared to forgive the shortcomings of others who haven't yet realised the extent of their folly in getting hooked into the Maha's rip-off?

Or maybe we could simply accept the shortcomings of both premie and ex-premie and ... carry on regardless?

(I know, I'm wittering on. FOCUS, Chris).

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 03:16:01 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Hm, dunno
Message:
Chris,

To begin with, let's remember that the only reason my name keeps popping up is that I was here early and became something of a lightning rod, willing or not, for premie flack. Well, that and posting a lot and being fairly contentious. So, when you're talking about me you could be talking about a lot of people.

But is your basic equation helpful? Premie energy in = Ex-premie energy out? Don't know. In some ways I was a bit of a lazy slug as a premie. (Mind you, I'm still a lazy slug.) Golly gee, I don't know. Maybe.

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Date: Mon, May 01, 2000 at 20:52:10 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Mindhead
Message:
Anyone see the film 'Bowfinger'? There's a cult called 'Mindhead' which is obviously a take off on Scientology. Eddie Murphy plays this hugely famous actor, Kit, who is deep into Mindhead.It's absolutely hilarious. The cult members walk around with triangle hats on, and Eddie Murphy's character's name is K.I.T. which stands for 'Keep It Together.' His 'sponsor' in the cult gave him that name and Kit goes around saying 'I'm Kit, as in Keep it Together' when he is freaking out. My explanation of the movie is not funny but the movie is.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 02:35:26 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: This 'Raina' is a real piece of work...
Message:
i mean people in this thread are saying things like 'i hate Tom Cruise'
or I hate Travolta etc..

Well, I read this thread and I didn't 'hear' anyone saying they hated these people.

What I do 'see' here is a manipulator and liar, in the form of 'Raina.' This opinion was formulated after wading through a bunch of time wasting, muddled posts from this wacko.

Don't let this person jerk your chain, Helen. And condolences on your sister-in-law.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:22:12 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: don't cry for me gerryyyyyy
Message:
Nobody yanks my chain without my permission, except Jim .But thanks for looking out for me anyway. Thanks for the condolences, I am finally coming out of the cancer haze of the the past few months, but my husband is just devastated about his sister, understandably. ANyway thanks and don't you worry about me, I am A LOT tougher than it may appear.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:46:16 (GMT)
From: Raina
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: murderer
Message:
you know, I have to confess...after being through what I've been through in
my warped life...maybe i definately am a wacko...because when someone calls me a liar?
i feel the urge to want to violently kill the brain dead who need to piss on other people's lives with their misdirected malice...them's fightin' words gerry.

your mother's a liar....and obviously a MANipulatwhore...or we wouldn't have the pleasure of your human being.

words and knives ...

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 05:44:09 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Raina
Subject: murderer: Step away: Is only Gerry....
Message:
He does that often: He did it to me!
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:05:29 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: murderer: Step away: Is only Gerry....more
Message:
sorry, I forgot: AND TO OTHERS, SO I HEARD!!

hahaha...he needs dipers! He is going to get it if he continues looking for it... Eventually something will shut him up... Te record keeps playing and staying on the archives... Administrador?? We are going to have to do some pasting... Shoot.. I'm so busy lately...But maybe not!!!

SB

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 16:12:11 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: aspiRANT
Message:
funny how it reminds me of the 'K' process...!
yah knoW?
'special K' that is....
cause we're just so damn 'special'...

chow 4 niao

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 18:36:17 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: aspiRANT
Message:
NO!! Don't see it that way! gerry is maybe a good person acting like an ass, but he did something to me when i began posting here that was very ugly... I wont tell you what to do, but he is mean, especially to women... well...he maybe is good with his girlfriend, for different reasons....You do not have to talk to him if you do not want to... You know that....

You do not HAVE TO BE ACCEPTED HERE!! Is a free forum... Gerry is always thinking that any new person is a premie!!

chau

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 23:43:11 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Duh aspiRANT
Message:
i wasn't really saying anything at all-let alone about gerry-
really...just mind-games in general etc....

i was mostly digging the 'aspiRANT' word-
like everybody's ranting-and that's a great thing-s'all...

niao 4 chow

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 03:10:40 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Well...then...
Message:
you know something else...I tried to help... He is calling somebody in a thread bitch?? I do not get it!!

A woman,

S

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 17:28:45 (GMT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Well...then...
Message:
It's a hard place to get involved sometimes. There's alot of miscommunication. Don't take it personally, SB. In the middle of a flame, someone else will feel like getting soft and cuddly with the offending party. Who can figure it out? It doesn't mean you should stop being helpful when you can be.
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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 19:34:09 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Perhaps I've misunderstood . . .
Message:
Hello Runamok,

You've often complained about the undercurrent of verbal aggressiveness at this site, to the extent that you've (tried?) to start a recentexes forum. Now you're coolly telling SB not to take it personally.

Hasn't SB been around long enough to be fully aware of what you're rather patronizingly pointing out to her? Note, she signs it 'A woman.' As a man, it might be a good idea to consider that you are not fully aware of the sytemic global sexism that women endure every day. And I should mention, that many women are not fully aware of it themselves - another form of CULTural brainwashing?

Stonor

(Please forgive me if I'm butting in on this SB, but as you might remember this issue has been one of my concerns as well.)

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 03:45:03 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: duh BEARS!
Message:
what?
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:49:33 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Raina
Subject: Okay, time to rearrange the seating
Message:
Raina,

I was going to put you next to Gerry but I think I'll have you sit over there, next to AJW. Gerry, you can eat with the help.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:37:46 (GMT)
From: gErRy
Email: glyng@techline.com
To: Jim
Subject: Oh shit
Message:
Does this mean I have to I have to help with the dishes too?

Hey de doe, I gotta a shiny fresh mahogany dreadnought with curly maple and ebony appointments just about ready to sing. Any takers here? A grand would do it. Email me

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:28:02 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: ROTFOL too
Message:
this doesn't mean you're gonna start on me now though does it?
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 16:06:58 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Yes, no, I don't know, maybe (nt)
Message:
bb
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:34:26 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: ROTFLOL
Message:
Okay Jim, you are right about Raina, she is funny, bizarre, but funny. And I want to sit next to you okay?
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 03:38:45 (GMT)
From: Raina
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: calling all gang bangers
Message:
why is it that if i read something that seems a WASTE OF TIME...
that i don't have the urge or the need to gang up on them? Maybe
you're just trying to push a button? or I don't know?

MAYBE YOUR REAL NAME IS JOEL FUCKING STEINBERG?
couldn't budget in your pleasure palace visit this week ger?

what the hell did I say to rattle Helen!?

what kind of 'poularity contest club house' are you trying to
wish this whatever-it-is to be? you looser fucking asshole!
(said in a whisper baby)

p.s. even though this had NOTHING to do with the point i was trying to make:

'John Travolta I think seems to have a monstrous ego I
think I would dislike him if I knew him....'-susan

and i guess because Tom Cruise was mentioned in the same sentence....! oh my! if i knew you were testing for reading comprehension i would have been SO much more careful....cause GER...hey what can i say? can i make it up to you? i mean it's SO important to me that you like me. really! what? you don't believe me?

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:26:49 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Raina
Subject: loose
Message:
Raina,

I read an article in Vanity fair about him, and I have a friend who had lunch at a resturant where he apparently acted like a complete jerk and treated people very badly. You quoted me, where did I say I 'hated' him? I do not even know him. It is an impression based on a few secondhand stories. It could be wrong. I don't hate him. I repeat, I think if I knew him, I would dislike him. That is not hate. My impression is you are playing fast and loose with the facts here.

Hope you are having a lovely peaceful evening.


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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:02:57 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: loose
Message:
oh god! i wasn't trying to accuse you or anyone of anything....
and i could have sworn someone wrote 'i don't like Tom Cruise' somewhere
in the thread-but so what if they did....that wasn't the point i was trying to
make....fuck tom cruise....i was just trying to elaborate on the subject
of guru's using celebrities etc.........i never even got into it....and i am sorry
that wasn't clear...but i certainly don't deserve to be abused by 'JerrY' (my
first potential murder victim)

(i looked back and couldn't find the Tom Cruise comment either) but there was a tone of
'glamour satsang' condescending tone......(but i totally dug Powerman's mind)

god this is tiring...i don't even feel like explaining my point now-

no great loss to anyone i'm sure...

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:39:18 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Why do I think I kind of like this Raina bitch?
Message:
Sorry, maybe I'm losing it but I kind of like this Raina. She's reckless, vitriolic and sometimes funny. She's more skittish than an alley cat. Hell (noy am I going to catch shit for this!) she's kind of like Selene come undone (if you can imagine that).

Okay, I've said too much already. I know, I know, starting with that 'bitch'. Maybe I should take this whole post back? Whatever. In the spirit of questionably stable but intelligent women everywhere, I hereby hit 'submit'.

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:25:50 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: hey
Message:
your timing isn't always amusing.
fuck!
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 14:52:18 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim's eyes only
Message:
******Warning - Elaine B. is ' A premie' with a needed name change.
Read no further those who don't like me. Beware.**********


Jim,

All I wanted to say was I kinda liked the' bitch',too.Look what it got me. You've got some charm I don't have,Jim. Sorry was that a compliment. Forgive me.

Elaine B.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:05:52 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: Jim's eyes only
Message:
Elaine,

I feel sorry for you, coming here, trying to make friends. You have to understand -- well, I'm sure you do -- that premies don't have a very good reputation around here. A lot of exes still feel the smart of being shunned by people they thought were their closest friends for years, simply because they're now willing to sail in taboo waters.

And then look at how premies argue here! They're always either dishonest, illogical or extremely superficial. That's right, there isn't a single premie who's posted here in the last three years who hasn't hidden his light under one of those dank bushels. What about you? Well, to be honest, I'd say that your m.o. is to try to skate over the surface of these troubled waters. In other words, I'd say that you escape to banal generalities that really mean little when you're trying to defend your faith. That'd be category three: superficial.

So what do you expect? Respect? I'm sure you get full credit from many here for being nice and everything. Hey, after all, you're a woman, right? :) But your content, Elaine, is still far from open and candid. That's my opinion, anyway. So, again, what do you expect?

Now, tell me, isn't it kind of sad that you premies don't ahve a place you can talk with each other on-line? Why do you think it is that ELK renenged on their promise to provide a forum of sorts? They hummed and hawed for a long time about hving to 'learn the technology'. (By the way, do you believe that?). Now they don't even talk about it. What's with that?

Ah, but you see, if you answer this question like you've answered all others here, you'll once again find the easiest, most superificial escape from its clear implications. And then I'll get pissed off and then you'll whine about that and, well, happy Tuesday, Elaine. What's new?

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:28:53 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim's eyes only
Message:
***Why do you think ELK reneged on a forum of sorts?***

For the obvious reasons. They don't WANT premies to discuss squat.
I mean it's the age old 'mind' stuff. Or I remember 'chit-chat'.
You may not like me but, I wasn't born yesterday. Though I look it.

Oh, and you are confusing me with Sally Fields there,Jim.

Elaine B.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 15:58:39 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: Taking your brain out for a test drive
Message:
Nto bad, not bad. Almost a passing grade. Hm... okay, C-. Now how can you improve your grade, young lady? Richer, fuller answers that really explore the deeper implications of the situation! How about this:

There is no dialogue on ELK for a number of reasons. Principally, one has to wonder if Maharaji himself, either directly or otherwise, has 'asked' the ELKies to refrain from hosting a forum. Because if he had, that fact alone would fully answer the question. (Why did the premie cross the road? Because Maharaji 'asked' him to.) From there we could go to the next good question: why would Maharaji make such a request? But that would be another question.

Now if Maharaji didn't ask them to not put up a forum, why wouldn't they? One reason, for usre, is to avoid 'chit chat'. This is one 'Family of Love' whose members aren't supposed to talk with each other. Yes, true enough.

But there's another problem too: whenever premies have discussed Maharaji openly, like on Harlan's one-time premie forum (which was clearly shut down on the advice of PAMs who may have been lying but who definitely claimed to be aware of and acting on Maharaji's 'wishes', or like on CD's dismal, cite first started for him by David just to see what would happen, there's been trouble and confusion. Some premies would claim that Maharaji was the Lord of the Universe while others had never apparently even heard of such a thing! It's one thing to have people smile at each other as they walk in and out of the video room. But to let them just get into an open discussion, and one the whole world can see, with such bizarre, unsetled issues extant in the cult, why that'd be one stupid idea. Wouldn't it?

Besides, what really do premies have to say that they can't spit up in a few dumb cliched phrases and fit into an Expression or two? Nothing I'm aware of.

Now that would have been a fuller answer, Elaine. Not a great one. I'm sure you could probably do better yourself. But it's a fuller effor and, for that reason alone, worthy of a somewhat higher grade. C+ perhaps.

Care to try again? Here's a new question:

Why do you think Maharaji won't do any more interviews?

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 18:32:28 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Taking your brain out for a test drive
Message:
Ya know Jim, sometimes I hate wasting time saying the obvious.In regards to GMJ 'asking ' premies to not have an open premie's forum - you're too kind. Have you ever known GMJ to 'ASK' premies
to do anything. (I mean in a situation like this.) He 'told' them, I'm sure. He wouldn't use the word agya maybe in the present time, but you can be sure his eye contact was 'And this is the prime directive or else.'

I wasn't aware GMJ wasn't giving interviews.Who cares.Put one on from the 80's he always says the same things. And don't perceive that as a criticism - he just doesn't say anything new.

Back to work
Elaine B.
And an ex should have gotten the C-. I should have gotten a B+. And I did in my own mind.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 04:15:35 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Raina
Subject: Hey, this is the original 'looser'
Message:
Well, well, welcome back.

So what is your point when you say people here hate Travolta and Cruise? You've already harped on all the 'hate' here blah, blah, blah, so you're really quite transparent.

How can ONE person's opinion constitute 'ganging up' on you? You have your fans here, I've read the threads. In fact I hope you do contact Runamok off this forum. He'd probably be perfect for you and who knows, you might even get lucky.

And the crap about bleeding stomachs and cancer was nothing if not manipulative and an attempt to garner sympathy. Why don't you email Bobby? Now there's a guy who really had cancer and faced it with great courage and aplomb.

Words mean things and if you write something be prepared to defend it or shut up. Bitch.

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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 05:21:00 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: everyone
Subject: Time and Place Gerry
Message:
It's funny, one minute I'm gratefully driving to the health food store looking for omega 3,6, and 9...and the next I desire to go to assasin school....this can't be healthy...
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 23:34:44 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Time and Place Gerry
Message:
HA HA good one, Raina. Don't let the forum drive you crazy.
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Date: Tues, May 02, 2000 at 17:09:48 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Hey what happened to your lovely post where
Message:
You called me mum a whore?

Actually she's a saint.

And me pap's a certified sociopath.

What to do, what to do???

Pray tell, dear raina, are you a premie?

PS I LOVE a good bitch, you certainly qualify, so let's be pals shall we?

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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 06:00:04 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Hey what happened to your lovely post where
Message:
YOU ARE SIMPLY DISSGuSTING!! Your mother may be a saint but you? Well, who knows in how many categories of idiots you would fit in, right? Sad that you think of yourself as smart... Intelligence shows: You have none!
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 15:24:15 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Am too, Am too, Am too !!! (smart that is)
Message:
It's been an interesting couple of days. Did you know you can actually psycho-analyse yourself? Yes you can, if you too had that little asterisk next to YOUR name on your high school graduation program. You know, the one which denoted memebership in the National Honor Society.

Well, it was supposed to be there. I was voted in the club my junior year but 'forgot' to go to the meetings. Brother Edward warned me: 'Lyng if you don't bring cookies to the bakes sale, you're out.' As I wasn't enrolled in home ec at the time, the cookies were not forthwith--no asterisk for gerry. Oh well.

Of course the piper needed his paycheck and I had no doubt it was coming, but I hadn't figured that it would come so swiftly and so publicly. Ah yes another, in a series of public humiliations. daddy Dearest got me right there outside the auditorium doors in the main vestibule. Of course all the other kids and their parents were there hugging and taking pictures so it was pretty crowded and he couldn't do his best work and only a dozen or so of my peers were witnesses to the 'correction.'

But I was legally an adult and could file assualt charges, and besides he hadn't pounded me since about a year earlier when at the culmination of a couple of years fisticuffs where I fought back. I think it was the telephone wound up like a slingshot cracking him the forehead which convinced him that while his 175 lbs vs my 110 was a pretty safe bet, I might just get into this weapon thing and who knows I could actually muss his perfectly couiffed hairdo.

So I hid out all through my twenties, dreading to even go to the grocery store. But time has a way of taking care of these things and by age thirty I could actually talk to people without having to quaff six beers first. A big improvement and it saved me money, too! Several sessions with Louisa Lance on her couch on Township Line Road worked pretty good too. 'But Doctor Lance, don't schizophrenics hear voices and see things?'

Of course I had the Stockholm syndrome at the time and was living for the interim with--guess who!!! They really wondered why I was getting up at six AM Saturday mornings and leaving the house. The drive to suburban Philadelphia only took a couple of hours one way and of course I paid for it myself. Not like I could put on my insurance (guess who I was working for at the time.)

And, and, and, oh fuck this isn't 'Anything Goes is it?' Where am I? mommy, mommy, mommy...

Love to you SB, you have a nice day.

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Date: Thurs, May 04, 2000 at 12:43:49 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: And you keep laughing...Oh my!! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 03, 2000 at 22:22:54 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: you are a survivor gerry
Message:
and a hell of a writer.
Now stop making me cry. shit what a week this has been.
and how am I supposed to take a break when you write stuff like this huh?

love, Selene

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