Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Sat, May 20, 2000 at 03:43:13 (GMT)
From: May 08, 2000 To: May 18, 2000 Page: 5 Of: 5


Mili -:- I thought it was funny -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 20:03:47 (GMT)
__ Robyn -:- I thought it was funny -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:34:05 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- This is funnier -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 01:30:51 (GMT)

Stonor -:- An Eastern tale about a rich magician -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 18:56:46 (GMT)
__ Mili -:- An Eastern tale about a rich magician -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 09:02:22 (GMT)
__ __ Stonor -:- Read post below, been there since last night! (nt) -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 20:16:42 (GMT)
__ Stonor -:- More context around 'An Eastern tale' -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 04:03:21 (GMT)
__ Mili -:- An Eastern tale about a rich magician -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 09:23:02 (GMT)
__ cq -:- Now that's what I call getting fleeced! (nt) -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 09:16:48 (GMT)
__ Harry -:- The Magician and the Chicken -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:51:47 (GMT)
__ __ Stonor -:- The Chicken (truth and avoidance of it) -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 21:45:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ Harry -:- Good one Stonor -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 22:58:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Putting words into my mouth Harry? -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 01:12:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Harry -:- Putting words into my mouth Harry? -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 08:51:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Those weren't questions Harry, they were -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 17:21:50 (GMT)
__ __ Stonor -:- Meet Mike the Headless Chicken . . . -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 06:05:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- This just in: Chicken crosses road. But why? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 16:10:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ SB -:- This just in: Chicken crosses road. But why? -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:24:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ Elaine -:- Stonor,Still reading Q Metaph, (OT) -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 14:41:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Is Good -:- For you too!! -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 18:19:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Stonor,Still reading Q Metaph, (OT) -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 03:49:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Too cool -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 04:05:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ Mili -:- Meet Mike the Headless Chicken . . . -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 09:20:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ Harry -:- Mike the legend -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 08:56:12 (GMT)
__ Mili -:- An Eastern tale about a rich magician -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 19:46:22 (GMT)
__ __ G -:- this kind of story -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:06:23 (GMT)

Susan -:- to Elaine, link to article I was telling you about -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 17:57:54 (GMT)
__ Elaine -:- post down below,ty (nt) -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 19:43:03 (GMT)

Forum Administrator -:- posting under multiple names -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 15:12:49 (GMT)
__ raina -:- Even with a doctor's note? -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 03:46:36 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- Even with a doctor's note? -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 07:53:11 (GMT)
__ raina -:- you forgot FARMY -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 23:25:07 (GMT)
__ __ SamTheFrog -:- Hey.you do what you want/Anon Proxy -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 15:27:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ A4 -:- Hey.you do what you want/Anon Proxy -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 07:33:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selelne -:- it's pretty good -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 07:23:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ SamtheFrog -:- it's pretty good -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 15:06:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cyber terrrorist Selene -:- it's pretty good -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 23:07:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- too may lll's -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 07:42:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ Forum Administrator -:- Hey.you do what you want/Anon Proxy -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 16:20:12 (GMT)
__ raina -:- a rose by any other -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:19:57 (GMT)
__ __ Forum Administrator -:- Leaving the Forum -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 07:29:46 (GMT)
__ __ Selene -:- a rose by any other -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:54:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ RAINA LYNN -:- Is it worth renting? -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 22:44:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- that's a pretty name -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 23:09:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ raina -:- It means 'rain' in Italian -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 23:28:30 (GMT)
__ Gregg -:- raina -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:04:35 (GMT)
__ __ raina -:- 'The Skulls'a bad film about secret cult societies -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:32:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ Gregg -:- turtle skulls -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 17:15:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ raina -:- It was your tone bone head -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 22:51:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Runamok -:- turtle skulls -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 20:27:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ RAINA -:- Exactly! (ya Greg! YOU go check out EV's site!) -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 22:54:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Gregg -:- OK, my mistake. But I'm not an asshole! (nt) -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 20:40:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ RAINA -:- Of course your not. I am -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 22:45:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gregg -:- chinese turtle soup -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:16:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- you got it right the first time -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:34:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- you got it right the first time -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:43:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- whoever you are you crack me up -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 04:37:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jerry -:- The twist -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:52:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ raina -:- I won't pretend to know! -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 23:04:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Helen -:- The twist/turtle head -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 20:48:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ raina -:- The twist/turtle head -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 23:12:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- I thought turtle head was Mrs Hanky (nt) -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 08:22:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- a.k.a. Heller? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 16:56:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Heller?The lady doth project too much,methinks(nt) -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 08:36:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- wasn't Heller (jim?) Granny Hanky and -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 14:54:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- and the reason they wrote 'Blame Canada' nt -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 16:21:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- ...and the whole Hanky family? No. That was me(nt) -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 15:49:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- oops. Wrong. I wasn't Mr and Mrs H (nt) -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 16:02:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Have you changed your underpants yet doll? nt -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 03:42:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Why? I now wear them on the outside (nt) -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 20:18:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Too Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(nt) -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:27:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- a.k.a. Heller? :) :) nt -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:30:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- The new FLinstones Movie--Viva Rock Vegas -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:49:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- because they'll make explosives w/them (nt) -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:37:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- because they'll make explosives w/them (nt) -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:28:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- exactly -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 22:32:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- exactly -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 03:12:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Do they read Harry Potter? (your kids) -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:24:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Do they read Harry Potter? (your kids) -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 20:36:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gregg -:- The new FLinstones Movie--Viva Rock Vegas -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:13:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- The new FLinstones Movie--Viva Rock Vegas -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:17:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Raina -:- Mickey Mouse now controls Rock and Roll -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:43:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Mickey Mouse now controls Rock and Roll -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 20:47:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Entertainment Congloms should be 'Micro softed' -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:19:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Entertainment Congloms should be 'Micro softed' -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 20:38:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- Barney vs. Maharaji -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:48:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- Barney vs. Maharaji???EESSSHHHH!!!!!! -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 05:14:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ ps -:- ps OK I know you will never let me go so -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 06:07:00 (GMT)

Jim -:- Ah, Gulu Ji San, prease you come Japan! -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 14:36:43 (GMT)
__ Gregg -:- Short toes, fat toes -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 19:40:28 (GMT)
__ Jerry -:- Ah, Gulu Ji San, prease you come Japan! -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 17:06:10 (GMT)
__ Gregg -:- Genki des ka, Jim-san? -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:01:22 (GMT)
__ __ Susan -:- No, I do not like the idea -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 17:31:46 (GMT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- By the way, lots of Japanese reading my ex-site!!! -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 15:22:33 (GMT)
__ Susan -:- Jim, you middle American -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 15:18:06 (GMT)

Delated April's fool -:- Elan Vital Demads Maharaj to return all DONATIONS, -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 13:10:58 (GMT)

New Satellite Event -:- Saturday, May 13th..... -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 11:35:02 (GMT)
__ JW -:- This is just a video, right?.... -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 17:04:59 (GMT)
__ __ New Satellite Event -:- CORRECTO!! BINGO!! nt -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 00:06:56 (GMT)
__ Daneane -:- Saturday, May 13th..... -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 14:17:18 (GMT)
__ __ JW -:- Can you post the phone number you called???? nt -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:54:20 (GMT)
__ __ SB -:- Saturday, May 13th.....MONEY BABY!! -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 14:30:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ Daneane -:- Saturday, May 13th.....MONEY BABY!! -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 14:35:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ SB -:- Guilty because... -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 14:41:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- 976-GURU -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:25:11 (GMT)
__ Angry -:- The Discounting of Fatso Ji -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 11:52:54 (GMT)
__ __ Oliver -:- The Discounting of Fatso Ji -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:30:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ Tight Arse -:- I'm staying away -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 20:07:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ A premie said today: -:- That is MUCH cheaper than... -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 04:54:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Oliver -:- That is MUCH cheaper than... -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 05:45:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Math Teacher -:- typo=likes it NT -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 13:28:46 (GMT)

raina -:- Ending of 'The Skulls' -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 03:57:45 (GMT)
__ endings -:- gimme some skull baby -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 14:09:53 (GMT)
__ __ raina -:- enduring the ridicule... -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:02:02 (GMT)

raina -:- Will the real Peeping Turtle Head please peep? -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 03:01:40 (GMT)
__ Turtle Head Peeepiiiinnng -:- Will the real Peeping Turtle Head please peep? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 14:06:13 (GMT)
__ __ raian -:- IMPOSTER! -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 17:01:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ Turtle Head Peeping -:- IMPOSTER! -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 08:39:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ raina -:- oh (nt) -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 14:57:09 (GMT)

VP -:- To Gerry gErRy or GERRY -:- Mon, May 08, 2000 at 20:16:15 (GMT)
__ gerry -:- Ha ! good one VP -:- Mon, May 08, 2000 at 20:26:32 (GMT)
__ __ VP -:- forgot you, gerry -:- Mon, May 08, 2000 at 21:41:56 (GMT)
__ VP -:- It already went under -:- Mon, May 08, 2000 at 20:23:51 (GMT)

cq -:- How come I can't answer to JM's thread below? -:- Mon, May 08, 2000 at 19:45:16 (GMT)
__ Duh -:- Do you know the meaning... -:- Mon, May 08, 2000 at 20:21:33 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- Wow - so archiving is constant? (Honest Injun it w -:- Mon, May 08, 2000 at 20:36:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- assuming you've had too much of that beer ..... -:- Mon, May 08, 2000 at 20:54:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Coach -:- and... -:- Mon, May 08, 2000 at 22:51:43 (GMT)


Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 20:03:47 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Everyone
Subject: I thought it was funny
Message:
~;*`.~;*.`~;*`~;*`.~;*.`~;*`~;*`.~;*.`~;*`~;*`.~;*.`~;*`~;*`.~;*.`~;*`

A new business was opening and one of the owner's
friends wanted to send him flowers for the occasion. They arrived at the new business site and the owner read the card, 'Rest in Peace.'

The owner was angry and called the florist to complain. After he had told the florist of the obvious mistake and how angry he was, the florist replied, 'Sir, I'm really sorry for the mistake, but rather than getting angry, you should imagine this... somewhere there is a funeral taking place today, and they have flowers with a note saying, 'Congratulations on your new location.'

~;*`.~;*.`~;*`~;*`.~;*.`~;*`~;*`.~;*.`~;*`~;*`.~;*.`~;*`~;*`.~;*.`~;*`

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:34:05 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: I thought it was funny
Message:
Hi Mili!
Are you §, the poster formerly known as 'Adult Warning'?
Liked the joke. :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 01:30:51 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: This is funnier
Message:
An elderly Irishman moved to a tiny village in Country Kerry. He
walked into the pub and promptly ordered three pints of ale. The pub owner raised an eyebrow, but served the man three pints, which he drank quietly at a table alone. An hour later the man had finished the three pints and ordered three more. The next evening, he again ordered and drank three pints at a time, several times. Soon the entire village was
whispering about the 'man who orders three pints.'

Finally, a week later, the pub owner broached the subject. 'I don't mean to pry, but folks here are wondering why you always order three pints of ale.'

''Tis odd, isn't it?' the man replied. 'You see, I have two brothers who moved far away, Pat to America and Mike to Australia. We promised each other that we would always order two extra pints whenever we drank as a way of keeping up the family bond.'

The pub owner and everyone in the village were pleased with this answer, and soon the 'man who orders three pints' became a local celebrity and source of pride to the village. Then one day, the man came in and ordered only two pints. The pub owner poured them with a heavy heart. This continued throughout the evening, and word flew around the village. Prayers were offered for the soul of one of the brothers.

The next day, the pub owner said to the man, 'Folks around here, me more than anyone, are sorry for the death of your brother. You know, the two pints and all...'

The man puzzled over this for a moment, then replied, 'You'll be happy to hear that Pat and Mike are alive and well. It's just that I meself have decided to give up drinking for Lent.'

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 18:56:46 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: An Eastern tale about a rich magician
Message:
There is an Eastern tale which speaks about a very rich magician who had a great many sheep. But at the same time this magician was very mean. He did not want to hire shepherds, nor did he want to erect a fence about the pasture where his sheep were grazing. The sheep consequently often wandered into the forest, fell into ravines, and so on, and above all they ran away, for they knew that the magician wanted their flesh and skins and this they did not like.'

'At last the magician found a remedy. He hynotized his sheep and suggested to them first of all that they were immortal and that know harm was being done to them when they were skinned, that, on the contrary, it would be very good for them and even pleasant; secondly he suggested that the magician was a good master who loved his flock so much that he was ready to do anything in the world for them; and in the third place he suggested to them that if anything at all were going to happen to them it was not going to happen just then, at any rate not that day, and therefore they had no need to think about it. Further the magician suggested to his sheep that they were not sheep at all; to some of them he suggested that they were lions, to others that they were eagles, to others that they were men, and to others that they were magicians.'

'And after this all his cares and worries about the sheep came to an end. They never ran away again but quietly awaited the time when the magician would require their flesh and skins.'

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 09:02:22 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Stonor
Subject: An Eastern tale about a rich magician
Message:
Did you dream this up all by yourself?
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 20:16:42 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Read post below, been there since last night! (nt)
Message:
Excuse me, Mili, but I did answer your questions in my post last night.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 04:03:21 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: everyone
Subject: More context around 'An Eastern tale'
Message:
'But there are a thousand things which prevent a man from awakening, which keep him in the power of his dreams. In order to act consciously with the intention of awakening , it is necessary to know the nature of the forces which keep man in a state of sleep.

'First of all it must be realized that the sleep in which man exists is not normal but hypnotic sleep. Man is hypnotized and this hypnotic state is continually maintained and strengthened in him. One would think that there are forces for whom it is useful and profitable to keep man in a hypnotic state and prevent him from seeing the truth and understanding his position.'

'There is an Eastern tale which speaks about a very rich magician who had a great many sheep. But at the same time this magician was very mean. He did not want to hire shepherds, nor did he want to erect a fence about the pasture where his sheep were grazing. The sheep consequently often wandered into the forest, fell into ravines, and so on, and above all they ran away, for they knew that the magician wanted their flesh and skins and this they did not like.'

'At last the magician found a remedy. He hynotized his sheep and suggested to them first of all that they were immortal and that no harm was being done to them when they were skinned, that, on the contrary, it would be very good for them and even pleasant; secondly he suggested that the magician was a good master who loved his flock so much that he was ready to do anything in the world for them; and in the third place he suggested to them that if anything at all were going to happen to them it was not going to happen just then, at any rate not that day, and therefore they had no need to think about it. Further the magician suggested to his sheep that they were not sheep at all; to some of them he suggested that they were lions, to others that they were eagles, to others that they were men, and to others that they were magicians.'

'And after this all his cares and worries about the sheep came to an end. They never ran away again but quietly awaited the time when the magician would require their flesh and skins.'

'This tale is a very good illustration of man's position.'


as told by Gurdjieff in P. D. Ouspensky's 'In Search of the Miraculous.'

(He goes on to discuss a very different interpretation of kundalini)

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 09:23:02 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Stonor
Subject: An Eastern tale about a rich magician
Message:
Could you specify - was this 'Eastern Magician' from the Near East, the Middle East or the Far East?
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 09:16:48 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Now that's what I call getting fleeced! (nt)
Message:
Now that's what I call getting fleeced! (nt)
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:51:47 (GMT)
From: Harry
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: The Magician and the Chicken
Message:
Reminds me of another tale from the East. There's this Magician who lives next to a desert see, he has 10 wives and is dirt poor and owns only one chicken. Well, he hypnotises this chicken into believing he is immortal, and just before he chops off his head for dinner, he reinforces the hypnosis, so that there's no doubt in the chicken's mind that he cannot die. Of course we know the power of the mind. In this way the magician gets to eat the same chicken for the rest of his life, over and over.
This leads to that major meaning of life riddle; why DID the chicken cross the road?
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 21:45:24 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Harry
Subject: The Chicken (truth and avoidance of it)
Message:
The Chicken (and truth and avoidance of it)

No doubt the chicken crossed the road to find if there was someone there worth talking to and sharing ideas with on the other side .

In all fairness, have you read the slightly contextualized version yet?

Stonor

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 22:58:23 (GMT)
From: Harry
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Good one Stonor
Message:
I guess this is what this is all about...TRUTH. Is truth absolute or relative? If there is an absolute truth, then is it knowable? Do you, Stoner, believe you're in possession of some absolute truth, and if so, why is your version any better than the rest of the Chickens out there? Of course, if you're sure you're right, then everyone else must be wrong hey.
And then there's tolerance and compassion. Respecting other chicken's belief systems, even though they may be different to yours.
The Cosmic Rooster
Harry
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 01:12:20 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Harry
Subject: Putting words into my mouth Harry?
Message:
Why do you insist on putting words into my mouth Harry? Like I said, no discussion. How can anyone hope to find any truth that way. Are you suggesting I don't respect others' belief systems as well? Lots of accusations for someone who is only looking for intelligent discussion.
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 08:51:42 (GMT)
From: Harry
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Putting words into my mouth Harry?
Message:
Sorry you feel that way Stonor. If it's discussion you want, then I asked you 4 or 5 questions. Want to discuss them?
Don't take all this too seriously. I don't.
Cheers.
Harry
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 17:21:50 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Harry
Subject: Those weren't questions Harry, they were
Message:
Those weren't questions Harry, they were accusations without grounds, or at least you gave none. Personally, I think that's quite serious, but fortunately I don't take your opinions too seriously, as you really don't know me at all (even if you've formed what seem to be a number of solid 'assumptions' about me).

And now this Chinese Rooster will cross the road to end this interaction with you.

Stonor

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 06:05:40 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Harry
Subject: Meet Mike the Headless Chicken . . .
Message:
Meet Mike the Headless Chicken . . .
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 16:10:13 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: This just in: Chicken crosses road. But why?
Message:
Why did the chicken cross the road?

KINDERGARTEN TEACHER: To get to the other side.

PLATO: For the greater good.

ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of chickens to cross roads.

KARL MARX: It was a historical inevitability.

TIMOTHY LEARY: Because that's the only trip the establishment would let it take.

SADDAM HUSSEIN: This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50
tons of nerve gas on it.

RONALD REAGAN: I forget.

CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK: To boldly go where no chicken has gone before.

HIPPOCRATES: Because of an excess of phlegm in its pancreas.

ANDERSEN CONSULTING: Deregulation of the chicken's side of the road was threatening its dominant
market position. The chicken was faced with significant challenges to create and develop the
competencies required for the newly competitive market. Andersen Consulting, in a partnering
relationship with the client, helped the chicken by rethinking its physical distribution strategy and
implementation processes. Using the Poultry Integration Model (PIM), Andersen helped the chicken use
its skills, methodologies, knowledge, capital and experiences to align the chicken's people, processes and
technology in support of its overall strategy within a
Program Management framework. Andersen Consulting convened a diverse cross-spectrum of road
analysts and best chickens along with Anderson consultants with deep skills in the transportation industry
to engage in a two-day itinerary of meetings in order to leverage their personal knowledge capital, both
tacit and explicit, and to enable them to synergize with each other in order to achieve the implicit goals of
delivering and successfully architecting and implementing an enterprise-wide value framework across the
continuum of poultry cross-median processes. The meeting was held in a park-like setting, enabling and
creating an impactful environment which was strategically based, industry-focused, and built upon a
consistent, clear, and unified market message and aligned with the chicken's mission, vision, and core
values. This was conducive towards the creation of a total business integration solution. Andersen
Consulting helped the chicken change to become more successful.

LOUIS FARRAKHAN: The road, you see, represents the black man. The chicken 'crossed' the black
man in order to trample him and keep him down.

MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.: I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads without
having their motives called into question.

MOSES: And God came down from the Heavens, and He said unto the chicken, 'Thou shalt cross the
road.' And the chicken crossed the road, and there was much rejoicing.

FOX MULDER: You saw it cross the road with your own eyes. How many more chickens have to cross
the road before you believe it?

RICHARD M. NIXON: The chicken did not cross the road. I repeat, the chicken did NOT cross the
road.

MACHIAVELLI: The point is that the chicken crossed the road. Who cares why? The end of crossing
the road justifies whatever motive there was.

JERRY SEINFELD: Why does anyone cross a road? I mean, why doesn't anyone ever think to ask,
'What the heck was this chicken doing walking around all over the place, anyway?'

FREUD: The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed the road reveals your underlying
sexual insecurity.

BILL GATES: I have just released the new eChicken 2000, which will not only cross roads, but will lay
eggs, file your important documents, and balance your checkbook - and Internet Explorer is an
inextricable part of eChicken.

OLIVER STONE: The question is not, 'Why did the chicken cross the road?' Rather, it is, 'Who was
crossing the road at the same time, whom we overlooked in our haste to observe the chicken crossing?'

DARWIN: Chickens, over great periods of time, have been naturally selected in such a way that they are
now genetically disposed to cross roads.

EINSTEIN: Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road moved beneath the chicken depends upon
your frame of reference.

BUDDHA: Asking this question denies your own chicken nature.

RALPH WALDO EMERSON: The chicken did not cross the road ... it transcended it.

ERNEST HEMINGWAY: To die. In the rain.

COLONEL SANDERS: I missed one?

JERRY FALWELL: Because the chicken was gay! Isn't it obvious? Can't you people see the plain truth
in front of your face? The chicken was going to the 'other side.' That's what 'they' call it, the 'other
side.' Yes, my friends, that chicken is gay. And, if you eat that chicken, you will become gay too. I say
we boycott all chickens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal media whitewashes with
seemingly harmless phrases like 'the other side.' That chicken should not be free to cross the road. It's
as plain and simple as that.

PAT BUCHANAN: To steal a job from a decent, hardworking American.

L.A. POLICE DEPARTMENT: Give us five minutes with the chicken and we'll find out.

RONALD REAGAN (2): What chicken?

BILL CLINTON (1): I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What do you mean by chicken?
Could you define 'chicken' please?

BILL CLINTON (2): I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. However, I did ask Vernon Jordan to
find the chicken a job in New York.

KEN STARR: I intend to prove that the chicken crossed the road at the behest of the president of the
United States of America in an effort to distract law enforcement officials and the American public from
the criminal wrongdoing our highest elected official has been trying to cover up. As a result, the chicken
in just another pawn in the president's ongoing and elaborate scheme to obstruct justice and undermine the
rule of law. For that reason, my staff intends to offer the chicken unconditional immunity provided he
cooperates fully with our investigation. Furthermore, the chicken will not be permitted to reach the other
side of the road until our investigation and any Congressional follow-up investigations have been
completed. (We are also investigating whether Sid Blumenthal has leaked information to the Reverend
Jerry Falwell, alleging the chicken to be homosexual in an effort to discredit any useful testimony the bird
may have to offer, or at least to ruffle his feathers.)

DR. SUESS: Did the chicken cross the road?
Did he cross it with a toad?
Did he cross it with a fox?
Did he cross it on a box?
Yes! The chicken crossed the road,
But why it crossed, we've not been told!

GRANDPA: In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Someone told us that the
chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough for us.

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:24:11 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: This just in: Chicken crosses road. But why?
Message:
CQ wrote a quote and sb says that sounds so much like premie talk....NO?

MACHIAVELLI: The point is that the chicken crossed the road. Who cares why? The end of crossing the road justifies whatever motive there was.

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 14:41:29 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Stonor,Still reading Q Metaph, (OT)
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 18:19:08 (GMT)
From: Is Good
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: For you too!!
Message:
' When one tree falls, the forest
is threatened. And one lost animal
is reason for alarm for all of us.'

Poet Dr. Maya Angelous

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 03:49:08 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: stonor770@netscape.net
To: Elaine
Subject: Stonor,Still reading Q Metaph, (OT)
Message:
Hi Elaine,

I didn't know you were reading Q Metaph! I'll be looking forward to hearing what you think of it. Have you read much of that kind of thing before?

I think one of my major gripes about m and other 'religious leaders' is that they tend to diminish the value of ideas other than their own - that they present themselves as having all the knowledge needed as far as anyone's 'spiritual' development goes, including their own.

I find the speed with which posts move into inactive rather stressful, not to mention all the tangents thrown in etc. There are a few things I'd like to get back to with you, when I get a minute. I also added a post way down below that you might want to check out.

Stonor

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 04:05:34 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Too cool
Message:
Stonor - I still have the smile on my face. We'll be talking .

And big yes! Nature of Personality is on my night stand as we speak. I was going to get back to you that I thought it funny you said to G and Mark Appleman to notice addendum. Then saw it was about Seth.
Later.
And when I think of the title I'm going to ask you if you've seen Liv Ullman,Sam Waterson,John Heard in a movie that starts with 'Mind----'. All about Quantum Physics. It's actuallly at Blockbusters. Oh my God - fabulous. Mind expanding.
Later,
Elaine

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 09:20:51 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Stonor
Subject: Meet Mike the Headless Chicken . . .
Message:
Truth is stranger than fiction, isn't it? ;o)
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 08:56:12 (GMT)
From: Harry
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Mike the legend
Message:
Stoner, at first I thought the story of Mike was a joke, but now I'm not so sure. The web is full of stories of Mike and he even has had a statue erected in his honour. He really was a legend......I think.
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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 19:46:22 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Stonor
Subject: An Eastern tale about a rich magician
Message:
Is this the kind of story you tell your kids to go to sleep? Why not stick to the classics, such as Little Red Riding Hood?
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:06:23 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: this kind of story
Message:
No, this is the kind of story she tells premies to encourage them to wake up.

BTW, Little Red Riding Hood is not so cutesy either if you think about it.

Also, the statement 'Is this the kind of story you tell your kids to go to sleep?' is not grammatically correct.

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 17:57:54 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: to Elaine, link to article I was telling you about
Message:
Dear Elaine and anyone else interested,

Here is the powerful sports illustrated article on pedophile coaches I was telling you about. Anyone who is interested in how they think and operate would be interested in this. Also, there are a lot of parallels to Jagdeo. If you read about the adult man who was molested as a child and stopped his molester from molesting more children when he found him 22 years later. He was still out there, still doing it.

pedophile article


http://cnnsi.com/features/cover/news/2000/04/14/nack_nightmare/

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 19:43:03 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: post down below,ty (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 15:12:49 (GMT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: posting under multiple names
Message:
raina,

correct me if I've got this wrong, but you appear to have been posting under several ids: PT head, Happy Clapper, Robin, soleman, poweruser, come2papa etc.

It is against our guidelines to do this, so I request that you only post under a single ID.

Thank you

Forum Admin

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 03:46:36 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: Even with a doctor's note?
Message:
what about those of us who are mutiple personality challenged? what Am i supposed to tell Louisa and Boogy?
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 07:53:11 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Even with a doctor's note?
Message:
Give them some money and send them to the pub.

Anth the Kitchen Psychologist

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 23:25:07 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: you forgot FARMY
Message:
can i keep one extra?
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 15:27:01 (GMT)
From: SamTheFrog
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Hey.you do what you want/Anon Proxy
Message:
Hey..if you want to post under different names that is cool....the way you do that is to use a proxy server...change the proxy server every time you post....or you can download a an anonnymous proxy program called A4Proxy from http://www.inetprivacy.com.

Its pretty cool...and can dynamically change your ip for every request or post...make sure you click this option on...

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 07:33:50 (GMT)
From: A4
Email: None
To: You're ridiculous,Selelen
Subject: Hey.you do what you want/Anon Proxy
Message:
too many llllll's
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 07:23:56 (GMT)
From: Selelne
Email: None
To: SamTheFrog
Subject: it's pretty good
Message:
I have checked my web logs
It only masks IPs 2/3 of the time what o what am I doing wrong?
how can I be the true fake out I want to be??
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 15:06:22 (GMT)
From: SamtheFrog
Email: None
To: Selelne
Subject: it's pretty good
Message:
Hi
Sorry, are you using A4Proxy? and it only masks out 2/3 of your IP....can you explain...what logs did you check out...I am not aware of any logs on your PC...you mean your server logs?

The proxy server is not always anonymous...some pass through your IP address and some masks it...you can go to a URL to check that...

http://cavency.virtualave.net/

This site can help you to tell u if a Proxy is anonymous or not, and it has also proxy lists....very good site

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 23:07:11 (GMT)
From: cyber terrrorist Selene
Email: None
To: SamtheFrog
Subject: it's pretty good
Message:
I have an Apache web server running on a UNIX workstation. I checked my access logs after connecting to my server via A4Proxy as well as a couple others. A4 was the best but it still didn't always mask but did sometimes. But I am only using the free demo version.
Thanks for the other info.
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 07:42:43 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: A4
Subject: too may lll's
Message:
I did not post that!!
not that I wouldn't have.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 16:20:12 (GMT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: SamTheFrog
Subject: Hey.you do what you want/Anon Proxy
Message:
Sam,

It is not cool to post under lots of different names. It's irritating and annoying, which is why we request that you don't do it.

Forum Admin

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:19:57 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: a rose by any other
Message:
those names were just extensions of shared jokes....meant to be obvious...
Feels more like you really trying to tell me you would like me to leave the forum?
I don't see any other posts to other's who've done the same thing.
I would expect that sort of thing sooner or later...
afterall, I'm doing so much harm and damage here.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 07:29:46 (GMT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Leaving the Forum
Message:
Raina,

I'm not asking you to leave the forum, merely to abide by our guidelines. People who post here like to know who they're talking to, and if you keep changing names, it makes it difficult and confusing.

This is not personal. Anyone who we notice posting under several names receives the same request.

Forum Admin.

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:54:32 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: a rose by any other
Message:
I have to pipe in and defend raina here.
If you are going to start taking a stand out of nowhere all of a sudden why raina?

This multi name thing has been going on since you (the multi YOU by the way) have taken over forum. I complained about it before when it caused confusion in some of my threads and you didn't even answer me (nothing about you that time raina)
I do agree that there should be a policy.
good luck!

The Skulls sounds like somthing I would have rented when I was addicted to the alt.cult-movies newsgroup raina. I rented so many bad movies that had good story lines or good pieces in them!
Did you ever see Hardware?

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 22:44:30 (GMT)
From: RAINA LYNN
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Is it worth renting?
Message:
thanx
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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 23:09:36 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: RAINA LYNN
Subject: that's a pretty name
Message:
Apocalytic strange - the movie Hardware not your name.

I remember Hardware being disappointing because the newsgroup
had hyped it up so much. But it had some good moments. Can't remember much. It was a low budget Terminator type, with a creepy peeping tom neighbor guy.

Selene's movie reviews...and it's free (I'm tired today)

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 23:28:30 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: It means 'rain' in Italian
Message:
i was trying to be sarcastic....but stopped at my last name etc....
i'm tired too

WOOPS! GETTING OFF SUBJECT!!! SHIP SHAPE TIP TOP!

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:04:35 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: raina
Message:
And while we have your attention, raina, are you sure you're in the right forum? I'm not sure I get what 'skulls' or 'peeping turtle heads' have to do with Rawat's cult...unless it's some new EV thing.
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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:32:27 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: 'The Skulls'a bad film about secret cult societies
Message:
in the very last few minutes of this (disappointing) film is actually wonderful and fascinating...as the young initiate (that's like an 'aspirant' in case you need it made perfectly clear) is left to believe that the order he'd (foolishly?) pledged his loyalty to forever is evil and corrupt as he walks into the sunset....but in fact....there's a twist.....

you arrogant asshole, who i was not speaking to obviously. Is that ok if you are not included in every comment or question?
Peeping Turtle Head was a joke that at least 10 or more people were here for over the past week....does this trouble you so much that you are looking to pick a fight?

oh PLEASE! let me stay here forever in hell, to dialogue with Greg! Oh please?

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 17:15:49 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: turtle skulls
Message:
Raina, I was just asking you to stay on topic (or, as is the tradition here, write OT by your subject title).

I'm not sure why you gotta call me 'an arrogant asshole.' That seems like a pretty strong term for someone you don't even know.

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 22:51:36 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: It was your tone bone head
Message:
i only wrote that because i thought it had a musical quality
but I'd be willing to bet you do have a bone in your head (a skull!!!).

Maybe it was because I had just been writing a really sad
and miserable story....bad mood...it happens...as you must know.

If I ever make any skull or bone head jokes in the future
you can be sure they're for your emjoyment (wo! i'm gonna
leave that Type-O!...subject here: M)

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 20:27:43 (GMT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: turtle skulls
Message:
She might be a little pissed since the skulls posting was completely ontopic. If you, like me, weren't aware of the film, you would have understood by reading her post.

She did leave the cult with the understanding that she needed to for her own good (read: survival). Why not take it from there instead of assuming the worst? Everything she's done is comparable to what she's seen online here.

Or she may pissed because it is an insult to tell someone to checkout EV's site.

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 22:54:34 (GMT)
From: RAINA
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Exactly! (ya Greg! YOU go check out EV's site!)
Message:
i'm trying to be funny in case anyone thinks i'm serious....
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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 20:40:29 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: OK, my mistake. But I'm not an asshole! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 22:45:36 (GMT)
From: RAINA
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Of course your not. I am
Message:
cheers
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:16:33 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: RAINA
Subject: chinese turtle soup
Message:
raina, sorry, I thought you were a premie or something...anyway, do you live in the USA, who are you etc. I've had a hard time deciphering your messages.
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:34:14 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: you got it right the first time
Message:
i am no one
what i say is meaningless
i should be despised by all
ignore me
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:43:25 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: you got it right the first time
Message:
Reminds me of an EMily Dickenson poem
'I am nobody, who are you?
Are you nobody too?'
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 04:37:16 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: whoever you are you crack me up
Message:
thanx back at ya
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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:52:53 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: The twist
Message:
You're talking about when the senator says, to himself, behind the initiate, 'Good work' (or something like that), when the initiate decides to leave the cult, and his lucrative standing as a member of it. Right? Yeah, it was a poignant moment, if that's what you're talking about, but like Gregg says, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Hey, maybe Maharaji secretly admires all aspirants who see through him, and decide that they can do just fine without him or K. Ya think so? I wonder.

Let's say M knows he's full of shit and that people need him like they need a hole in the head. But it's a lucrative business convincing people they need him, so M's not going to come right out and say they can do fine without him. He just strings them along for as long as he can, pulling in the bucks, the moola, the cash, and then when they see through him, if they do, to himself he says 'Good work'. Whaddya think? Am I onto something here?

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 23:04:18 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: I won't pretend to know!
Message:
It almost brought tears to my eyes that someone saw it etc...but then you were like
wa wa wawa....I don't know....yes. no. yes maybe. Ha Ha. I have no idea.....

But if 'the senator' is capable of 'honor' (honor without needing recognition) maybe M is...maybe not.....afterall he seems to have some royal asshole for 'close friends'....

Maybe he wants to spare aspirants from meeting these dick wipes...(ya for his own sake) because then word would get out that M has some pretty brain dead buddies etc....(which would reflect on him)........

I'm reminded of a song called 'Concrete' by MaxQ
'....ya I know the smell of my
own prison. Yes I know it well
I know the smell of me.'

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 20:48:12 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Jerry/raina
Subject: The twist/turtle head
Message:
Yikes! This is reminding me of the book I am reading, the slave masters secretly admired the slaves who kept surviving their tortures...

I don't think Maharaji is smart enough to admire those who leave. I think he DOES hold contempt for his premies which is a more negative expression of a similar idea.
raina, is the turtle head thing a reference from the 2nd Austin Powers film? That was so funny. and gross.

BTW, Gregg is a VERY good fellow, I thought you *were* a bit harsh with him. But please don't leave us raina!

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 23:12:05 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: The twist/turtle head
Message:
hi helen,
Last week when someone (gerry?-not to tattle) kept writing 'FY HELLER, YOU ROTTEN...'
you remember?
Someone else wrote the same thing as 1) Jesus Christ 2) Maharaji 3) Turtle Head Peeping
it was just funny to read them in that order-Maybe you had to be there-but it still makes me laugh when i think about it....(you know a teeny turtle head pooping up and cursing ...?)
boy oh boy-it doesn't sound as funny when explained in detail!

'The Skulls' is a poor excuse to put groovy WBTV actors on the screen....but has some intersting moments.....(particularly the last 10 seconds-if you can hold out that long!)

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 08:22:20 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: I thought turtle head was Mrs Hanky (nt)
Message:
I thought turtle head was Mrs Hanky (nt)
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 16:56:37 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: a.k.a. Heller?
Message:
ya i considered that....
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 08:36:47 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Heller?The lady doth project too much,methinks(nt)
Message:
Heller? The lady doth project too much, methinks(nt)
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 14:54:16 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: wasn't Heller (jim?) Granny Hanky and
Message:
the whole Hanky family?
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 16:21:46 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: and the reason they wrote 'Blame Canada' nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 15:49:10 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: ...and the whole Hanky family? No. That was me(nt)
Message:
wasn't Heller (jim?) wasn't Heller (jim?) Granny Hanky anky ...and the whole Hanky family?

No. That was me(nt)

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 16:02:06 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: oops. Wrong. I wasn't Mr and Mrs H (nt)
Message:
oops. Wrong. I wasn't Mr and Mrs H (nt)
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 03:42:41 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Have you changed your underpants yet doll? nt
Message:
dfghjk
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 20:18:45 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Why? I now wear them on the outside (nt)
Message:
Why? I now wear them on the outside (nt)
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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 03:27:01 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Too Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(nt)
Message:
Too Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(nt) And I must be over tired (or drunk ?/ or in a playful Friday Night Mood - (these lemming atmospheres can not be completely negated if one is human to respond to this at all ;-) but I typed (nt) so no one will read this or understand (plus it's really almost in inactive). Fuck it all.

OMIGOD, deja-vu alert! (It must be OK.)

Stonor

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:30:27 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: a.k.a. Heller? :) :) nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:49:46 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: The new FLinstones Movie--Viva Rock Vegas
Message:
Here I was thinking it was a reference to Fat Bastard and you were imagining something more innocent.A little turtle head popping out--ok, I am with that,it has to have a little voice though.
I think I'll pass on that movie that Skull thing. I would rather read a book than go to a movie that I know is going to be bad. Although I did see the new FLinstones movie for the sake of my daughter. That woman from 'Third Rock form the Sun' is in it. She was also in the AUstin Powers movie--played the Russian spy who was licking the chess pieces.And the guy from the 'Full Monty' was had it too. It actually wasn't that bad-seemed like the actors ahd the right attitude, they knew they were making fools of themselves, but what the hell. My husband had the privilege of seeing the Pokeman movie with our daughter also--he said it was horrible. A question for other parents: Why do we go to these horrible pathetic movies when our kids are dying to see them? Why don't we just tell the little darlings 'no' and make them play with their chemistry sets or something....
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:37:34 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: because they'll make explosives w/them (nt)
Message:
ot
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:28:36 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: because they'll make explosives w/them (nt)
Message:
YIKES! And their clueless parents don't see the explosives stacked up in their garages, just drug the kids with more prozac.
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 22:32:15 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: exactly
Message:
Barney as Lily spokesdinosaur...
can't you just see it?:

'Now kiddies! let's sing the Paxil Song!'
'We always take our pills
when it's time to take our pills
and then when we wake up
we take another pill
we take another pill
we take another pill...'
fade out...
commercial....

It's hardly far fetched....

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 03:12:20 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: exactly
Message:
Why do you think Barney is so happy happy all the time? My mom had a really sophisticated friend visiting and we were watching Barney (my daughter was 2 at the time). One of the kids in the Barney 'ensemble' was dancing and singing oh-so sugary sweet and this friend of my mother's took a drag of her cigarette and said 'Don't you just want to choke her?'
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:24:19 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Do they read Harry Potter? (your kids)
Message:
I started the second book in the series yesterday....I love it.........
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 20:36:56 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Do they read Harry Potter? (your kids)
Message:
I read the first for my book club (we read a bit of everything) and did read some to my daughter. She loved it. yes, the books are excellent and I am sure you know the story of the author who was a single mom on the dole and very depressed when she wrote the first book to pull her out of the doldrums. Of course, it will be a film soon with all the tie-in products!
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:13:45 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: The new FLinstones Movie--Viva Rock Vegas
Message:
How old are/is yr kid(s) again?

I am amazed, myself, at how laissez-faire I've been regarding my little girl's TV/movie fare. I was a hippie (and a premie) years ago, and I am vociferously horrified at the American monoculturialization of the planet...but, still, I have had no qualms about Quinn's (my daughter's) wholesale participation in American pop culture. She's 8, now. She watched Barney...and it was a good thing for her.

By the way, whe I took her to see Barney in person, when she was two or so, it was like she was in the presence of the Lord.

And now: Britney Spears, Backsteet Boys, etc.

Whaddya think, is this the way it is for you?

A lot of issues, I could discuss, but I have more time at work than at home to talk about 'em.

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:17:19 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: The new FLinstones Movie--Viva Rock Vegas
Message:
Yes--pop culture is absorbed into their very pores. Yes, Barney was my daughter's (age 8) Lord too! How funny! That altered T-rex from hell! I want to choke him! But he is for kids, not adults, and the program is good for little kids I think. My field is education and I did a freelance job for a kid's media company. SOme of the stuff out there for kids is creative and good, I think, some is just trash. And of course all the commercial tie-ins--oy vey!

I know what you mean about having been a hippie and now co-opting to commercial culture. I do think all that TV has to be balanced out with other stuff like reading, sports, gardening, music, art, educational stuff, etc. I am sure your daughter is very well rounded so it's probably nothing to worry about. I am very happy with how my kid is turning out! I just want to wrap her up in plastic and keep her this way forever.

Yeah, what is up with Brittany Spears? Actually she seems to have an ok voice for rhythm and blues. And the Backstreet Boys--they make good ear candy. It's all catchy. SOme of the lyrics I am not crazy about. But we had our music too when we were young, only ours was better!! ;) Think how dated we are now!!

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:43:56 (GMT)
From: Raina
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Mickey Mouse now controls Rock and Roll
Message:
Mickey Mouse Club (Britney and Christina) Orlando (Disney world, Back St Boyz, N'SyNC and the rest?).................Wouldn't Noam Chomsky say it's a conspiracy? I'd have to agree....Nirvana, Pearl Jam (and their politics and 'drugs') may have made 'the chosen few' just uncomfortable enough?

Not only was your/my? music better, but there was realness/depth/progressiveness etc. to it....

None of these 'artists' write or produce their songs....Did you know that Diane Warren (50 years old) writes for Christina Aguilera? (sp?)

'Hit me Baby One More Time' was actually an interesting song (Britney's first 'hit')...but then you can see the theft immediately after that....''Drive Me Crazy' sounds like it was stolen from Cameo's 1987 'Word Up' (like EXACTLY-they may have produced it for her perhaps?)

Can you imagine Neil Young sharing a bill with any of them?

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 20:47:55 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Raina
Subject: Mickey Mouse now controls Rock and Roll
Message:
Yes I know, everything you are saying is true. It's so depressing. I agree with Chomsky.
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:19:45 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Entertainment Congloms should be 'Micro softed'
Message:
It all has such a harmless Barney face...conspiracy theorists sound even more nutty...

Brtiney Spears is hosting SNL! Who IS responsible for such metaphisto?

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 20:38:58 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Entertainment Congloms should be 'Micro softed'
Message:
What is metaphisto? A Chomsky word? I know manifesto and Mephistopholes but metaphistO????
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:48:01 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Barney vs. Maharaji
Message:
wo...very interesting point (like she was in the presence of the lord).....
human vulnerabilty.
ok-i can hear the argument now (from the same-old general m-bashing consensus) that the producers of Barney are less harmful than Maharaji....

back 'in the day' was there a certain age people had to be to hear him speak? could people bring their children? were they asked not to? did any young children ever seek him out without their parents etc? or would they have been more likely to have been scared away (by the 'instructots' perhaps)?

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 05:14:11 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Barney vs. Maharaji???EESSSHHHH!!!!!!
Message:
oh god who are you what are you saying!!!
Too funny. I know you are going to think i am mad.
old history crap. too funny.
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 06:07:00 (GMT)
From: ps
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: ps OK I know you will never let me go so
Message:
i'll tell ya
Barney = Roger Drek
selene up too late
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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 14:36:43 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Ah, Gulu Ji San, prease you come Japan!
Message:

Japanese Police Arrest Cult Leader

By The Associated Press

TOKYO (AP) -- The founder of a rapidly growing religious cult was arrested today for allegedly swindling followers with false claims that he heard divine voices and wielded power over people's fates through examining their feet.

Police and prosecutors said they believed Hogen Fukunaga's claims were a deliberate attempt at fraud. Police also arrested 11 other leaders of the neo-Buddhist Ho-no-Hana Sanpogyo, or the Way of the Flower-Three Teachings, cult, which Fukunaga founded in 1987.

A cult spokesman called the arrests ``a thunderbolt from the blue'' and denied the charges.

``These arrests are for us like dying a thousands deaths,'' group spokesman Ichiro Takeda said in a statement. ``We are not engaged in brain washing or mind control ... and the group was not set up for the purpose of amassing money.''

Japanese police have been cracking down on cults since late last year, when a leader of the doomsday cult involved in the deadly 1995 nerve gas attack on Tokyo's subways was released from prison.

Ho-no-Hana had already drawn national attention through Fukunaga's opulent lifestyle and the lavishness of cult facilities.

Fukunaga preached to followers in well-tailored suits, his silver hair slicked back. The group's headquarters in Shizuoka prefecture, southwest of Tokyo, boasts a fountain made of two huge golden feet, while the Tokyo branch is located in a posh neighborhood alongside embassies and expensive homes.

Complaints against the group surfaced four years ago, and more than a thousand former members have filed lawsuits seeking a total of $50 million in damages.

The arrests came 11 days after a court ruled that the group had defrauded some of its members by warning them they would die or get cancer unless they had the soles of their feet inspected by Fukunaga.

The guru claimed he could cure illnesses and gain insights into the personality and future of his followers by examining their feet.

The group was ordered to pay 27 ex-followers $2.12 million in damages.

But the head of a group representing such sects, known in Japan as ``new religions'' expressed concern over how authorities could prove that Fukunaga's wisdom was not divine and therefore accuse him of cheating people out of their money.

``The biggest question is on what basis the authorities are deciding this is fraud. That's extremely difficult,'' said Takashi Hirohashi, editor of The New Religion Newspaper and head of a group representing new religions.

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 19:40:28 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Short toes, fat toes
Message:
I don't know why on earth you'd want to learn more about this cult, but I did today on another site, so here it is:

-short toes indicate a short temper
-fat toe: good fortune ahead!
-some cult members spend several hundred thousand dollars each to receive their guru's foot reading services.

Maybe this last stat might make Rawat sit up and take notice.

A little personal attention = a lot of money. I guess those dinners of his indicate he's starting to learn this lesson.

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 17:06:10 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Ah, Gulu Ji San, prease you come Japan!
Message:
`The biggest question is on what basis the authorities are deciding this is fraud. That's extremely difficult,''

Yeah, right. Read my feet, guru. Heal me. Tell me my future. How dumb can people get? The next thing you know, people will start believing that some kid from India is the Living Perfect Master or something who's come with more power than ever before, all 64 of them, in fact.

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:01:22 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Genki des ka, Jim-san?
Message:
This is a switch...instead of the disciples kissing (fondling, washing, fawning over) the master's feet; the master holds the disciple's feet. Which, if I understand her post, Susan thinks is a wonderful idea.

BTW/OT, I ran into an old friend yesterday at the Denver Public Schools office. He's an Indian, from the south of India, is a fellow teacher, and has a wonderful voice. He teaches science.

Anyway, he was there for a sexual harassment hearing. Seems he grabbed a (female) student's hand and did a little impromptu Indian palm reading in the hallway; she claimed he moved her hand toward his genitals. He also had a scar on his chin from a recent incident in which a student slugged him.

These are some of the occupational hazards of being a teacher. Lawyers, they get shot by enraged clients or their ex-spouses.

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 17:31:46 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: No, I do not like the idea
Message:
of Rawat touching my feet. Not into that.

Just in case you did not catch the facetious nature of my post, that is how it was meant. But I am guessing you yourself were being facetious by saying I want the guru to read my feet.

By the way, my feet would be one long read.

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 15:22:33 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: By the way, lots of Japanese reading my ex-site!!!
Message:
During the last 1 or 2 months, the statistics provided by my ex provider were showing a huge trafic from Japan.

Was it somme officials investigating Rawat's group there ?

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 15:18:06 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim, you middle American
Message:
please stop looking at these things through your college educated, newspaper reading mind.

You are trying to analyze things which cannot be analyzed.

Don't you listen to your heart?

Listen, just watch JFK and a few other flicks, you will then know the truth.

The Cake lady.

What does that newspaper article have to do with the ex premie site? I don't get it.....

Susan, the righteous anger gal.

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 13:10:58 (GMT)
From: Delated April's fool
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Elan Vital Demads Maharaj to return all DONATIONS,
Message:
....because people want their money back. People are DEMANDING also a report to know where all the money went over the years...
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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 11:35:02 (GMT)
From: New Satellite Event
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Saturday, May 13th.....
Message:
Of the recording of Santa Monica's program...

Yes, the 'price' has been lowered to $20 dollars; it's specified on the blue card that Visions sends by mail 'inviting' the suckers to continue supporting the Clown King!!!

yack!!!!

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 17:04:59 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: New Satellite Event
Subject: This is just a video, right?....
Message:
According to the Visions site, this 'satellite' is just a video of some of the Santa Monica 'event' on 4/25. Maharaji collected money for the 'event' and then collects money for the satellite of the 'event' and will probably later sell videos of the same 'event.' Racket?
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 00:06:56 (GMT)
From: New Satellite Event
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: CORRECTO!! BINGO!! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 14:17:18 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: New Satellite Event
Subject: Saturday, May 13th.....
Message:
The Information line for the area I live in also SPECIFIED that you can come even if you cannot afford to suggested $20.00 donation and that the price is based on cost and expected attendance.

Anyone one know how the price reduction will affect each community? I mean, what about costs of renting a place, getting equipment and all that? What's it costing them above what Visions charges?

Twenty bucks for forty-five mintues of M's spiel, fifteen minutes of which are those long dramatic pauses...so about thirty minutes of spiel...then if you take out the repetitive empty phrases we've all heard before...that would leave what? Maybe fifteen minutes? Five to cheesy jokes. So we're talking maybe ten minutes of something new.

So that ends up at about two dollars a minute. That's a better rate than most 976 lines. Sounds like a deal to me.

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:54:20 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Can you post the phone number you called???? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 14:30:40 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Saturday, May 13th.....MONEY BABY!!
Message:
HI!

They made their bed....

Premies are getting tired!! I heard it from the horse's mouth...
Premies pay that money and they do not even end up with a video!! Premies are not allowed to tape the broadcast, that gives Lard and CO control of their money...How he said once, where else can you be if the master wants to talk to you: Pay the money one way or another, or feel guilty and small once more!!

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 14:35:25 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Saturday, May 13th.....MONEY BABY!!
Message:
Why 'or feel guilty'?
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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 14:41:48 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Guilty because...
Message:
...as a premie you may go and spend the money someplace else, or because you went someplace else at the time of the satellite, instead of listening to the Hamster, etc.

Mere examples...

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 16:25:11 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: 976-GURU
Message:
It's a new thing...M interactive. Call and hear you're REAL TRUTH for only two dollars a minute.

Mastercard, Visa and life insurance accepted.

No recording please.

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 11:52:54 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: All
Subject: The Discounting of Fatso Ji
Message:
There must be yet another money crunch in Maharaji's world. Why else would they give away such an inspirational message for $20? As I suspected, there is becoming less of a reliance on donations and more effort in providing product for these poor cult members.

He's truly a SKUNK!

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:30:54 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: The Discounting of Fatso Ji
Message:
In my area it has gone from a donation request for a specific amount to premies being told that 'any donation would be appreciated' I can't say whether premies are staying away in droves, because they can't see the value in the new deal, or whether they are tight arses around here. Either way they are not turning up in vast numbersat all, at all.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 20:07:11 (GMT)
From: Tight Arse
Email: None
To: Oliver
Subject: I'm staying away
Message:
I hear that M is reducing the price from exhorbitant to fairly crazy because premies are staying away in droves.

I for one am.

Tight Arse

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 04:54:52 (GMT)
From: A premie said today:
Email: None
To: all
Subject: That is MUCH cheaper than...
Message:
going to another city to listen to him... There you have it: He liske it!
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 05:45:38 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: A premie said today:
Subject: That is MUCH cheaper than...
Message:
What does liske mean?
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 13:28:46 (GMT)
From: Math Teacher
Email: None
To: Oliver
Subject: typo=likes it NT
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 03:57:45 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Ending of 'The Skulls'
Message:
1/2 way into it....i decided it was too stupid....but then went back to catch the ending of the movie (multi-plex switcheroo sort of thing)....and it was poignant.....a propos to people's p.o.v.'s here i think? possibly?

did anyone see it? (especially the ending anyway!)

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 14:09:53 (GMT)
From: endings
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: gimme some skull baby
Message:
Not everyone lives and works hidden away inside buildings, wholly apart from nature, even now. There are those of us, here and there, for whom the reality of daily life is deeply bound up in the natural world and the quiet powerful dynamos of the seasons. I, for one, have always spent as much time as possible under a tree, on a beach, or in a garden. I have lived in and with and from the heart of the natural world. As an artist, I paint the sky, letting my mind's eye roam the pure healing blue of the light of day, and the mysterious night's stupendous starry infinity. As a gardener, I dip my hands in the equally sacred soil, planting food for the body's nourishment, and the beautiful flowers whose perfume nourishes the angels. And springtime has always meant the bouyant uprising, simultaneously, of all the inner and outer energies of physical and spiritual renewal. Springtime: the time of the year when the essence of freshness and regeneration rises in our hearts, in the earth itself, and in the sweet blue sky at dawn.

This year is different. There is no ineffable joy in the dawn of a perfect spring day. There is no pleasure in sowing the seeds of the future crops. There is no happiness in my life's work of contemplating the beauty of the skies. There is only grief, indignation, debilitation and exhaustion. In short, this is another poisonous Chemtrail Spring. We wake here as usual in central Arizona to noxious grey haze, settling down like death over the outer veneer of burgeoning springtime. Instead of morning dew flavoring the air, there is a toxic metallic taste on the tongue. Above the slick frankenfog, the soldiers of the New Roman Legions go back and forth in the sky, sowing salt in the fields of heaven. And then? If we do not cower inside our houses, we enter the great outdoors, and breathe the insult of slow death for inceasingly overworked immune systems. And who on earth has the right to rob us of this sacred ground we stand on, to destroy the marvellous working of the bodies we inhabit, and to spew chemical venom into the very air we must breathe? Where are our lives in all this? Mine is here now, reduced to writing from quiet fury: and what then? Are we to acccept being forced to live out our lives in electronic corners, wondering about who is destroying our very existence, and why?

And does it really matter so much why so many of us are obliged to dwell in virtual chemical dumps? Personally, I no longer care what the evil hare-brained 'reasoning' is behind all this. Are so many of us are merely acceptable numbers of damaged goods in a vast experiment to patch the ozone holes? Or are the criminally insane frankenfolk we allow to run our lives deliberately toying with second degree murder and genocide? Are the heartless, mindless, soulless scientists playing with their weather modification games? Is the answer 'none of the above', 'some of the above, or 'all of the above'? I don't care anymore. The point of all this to me is that we, collectively, are allowing these blantant 'secret' experiments to have their nasty way with us. We can look around and see how few human beings, in full possession of their wits, unhypnotized by the wholesale dark paradigm, are left standing in the here and now. And those of us who retain sufficient consciousness to see what is in front of our faces, being shoved down our increasingly inflamed throats, are forcing the issue, demanding to know, writing the endless letters, enduring the ridicule, and in general devoting ourselves to giving these monstrous inhuman secret cartels as hard a time as we possibly can. And then?

The gist of all our lives is simple enough: there is a war being waged for the soul of humanity. This war is everywhere, in everything. It is in the water, the air, the earth, the food, the structures of our marketplaces, cultural activities, and in our forms of government. On one side of this battle is the soul of humanity, and on the other side: the corporate-financial-military-industrial-governmental-medical-pharmaceutical-agri cultural-educational-religious-scientific-entertainment complex. (Did I leave anything out? No matter.You know who they are.) And at the very core of this dark mess is The Rule by Secrecy versus the Ideal of Democracy. As a whole, humanity is clearly on the brink of complete enslavement, and is going along willingly, blindly into the dark it cannot see. Humans are at present, as a whole, acting like the three monkeys of sheer denial: seeing no evil, hearing no evil, and speaking no evil. All very well, except that at the same time, the monkeys are chained, hypnotized, gassed, enfeebled, dumbed down, and devoured where they sit. But after all, the stock market is still ballooning nicely, we can all go shopping, and there's something wonderfully stupifying on the tube tonight, so all feels perfectly comfy to most of us.

So then here we all are. The soul of humanity, our free will, is quietly being chewed to the nub as we watch. What will we do about this, those of us who have eyes to see? Shall we just sit quietly in front of our monitors until the chemical and electromagnetic manipulation of the human mind is perfected, and all our troubled thoughts and feelings will suddenly be over? Is it so far-fetched, given what we factually know already about this technology, to contemplate waking up one morning in a state of total acquiescence in things as they are? Shall we just wait patiently until there is nothing left between our ears capable of registering all this interlocking darkness? I don't think so. I think we will fight to the last raspy breath in our bodies, in every way we possibly can. Especially, we will fight lies by stating the truth as often as we can, in whatever venue our efforts can find a place. This war is best fought at present on mental levels, in the 'sky' of our minds. We are fighting first of all for the conscious attention of our fellow human beings. Just as chemtrails are being laid out behind a veil of secrecy in the physical sky, we will lay out the counter-trails of reality and truth openly,on the internet and everywhere else we can find a hearing, in the minds of as many people as we can find to listen.

At the same time, all of us who care about what is happening to humanity see it from our own small point of view, and we differ, sometimes radically, in our particular personal collection of thoughts and ideas about all this. We differ in temperament, background, education, talents, limitations, predispositions, and in every other way that expresses our unique individualities. For this reason, it isn't possible for those of us engaged in this great war to equally like, understand, and agree with all those fighting on our own side- let alone being able to have compassion and understanding for all our fellow beings trapped in the dark paradigm. But we can try to remember the larger picture: this vast global multidimensional landscape in which we are all equally living, suffering and striving for what we believe in. We can fight to the death, if need be, without the virulent poison of hatred in our hearts, and without the spiritual childishness of separatism in our minds. In the end, if humanity survives spiritually and materially, in some far-off time there will be no 'us' and 'them': we will know ourselves to be one humanity. In the meantime, we have no choice but to wage an interspecies war toward that very end.

The truth is, we are fighting for everyone, and for every child born in the future. If we don't fight for truth and the end to secret rule, no one will.

There is no one else here.

There is no one else to care about the soul of human beings except...you and me.

God help us.

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:02:02 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: endings
Subject: enduring the ridicule...
Message:
since time is of the essence, let's cut to the chase....
'secret rule?' 'fight for every child borne?'
'Ideal of Democracy?'
please.....anytime anyone uses the 'for the chidren' term you know they're full of it (but I loved other stuff you had to say...if i may...i'll attack the irony?)

how hard would it be to just convince 'everyone' (as in 2-7 billion people) to just do nothing for one day? or one hour? better put, how impossible would that be? and so....

busy chemical corps, busy brains, busy typists......it all uses up oxygen....and so....our bravery in speaking the 'truth', sadly, may just be another paving of a wrong road....

so what is/are the basic commonalities? not too much more than breathing...

Democracy? Ya-right. Nice try...but nothing more than a Money Monarchy.....

I'm so inspired about saving the lives of the children who are the offspring of people who have babies after$10 sex or rape, or tax breaks, or to trap a man......(what do you think? maybe this makes up about 20% of the population.....for sure I want to mop floors so nobly for my entire life to educate them? puke...........

sorry thomas jefferson jr.....the shit to cut through is too infinite to fight......
the needed miracle could be as simple as offering to pay people to just stay home for a day....
long enough to realize that West Nile Virus, and smuggling mosquitos is the new way 'war is waged'...........so much intelligence was lost during the little 'WAR on drugs' morality judging couple of decades-wouldn't you agree?

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 03:01:40 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Will the real Peeping Turtle Head please peep?
Message:
somewhere in this mess (unless it was a dream?) the original peeping turtle head was about to reveal it's true identity......? who are you?
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 14:06:13 (GMT)
From: Turtle Head Peeepiiiinnng
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Will the real Peeping Turtle Head please peep?
Message:
I think you know me...intimately. Mike Myers is my name and Fat Bastard was my game when I described the Turtle Head Peeping
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 17:01:09 (GMT)
From: raian
Email: None
To: Turtle Head Peeepiiiinnng
Subject: IMPOSTER!
Message:
i do npt remember Peeping T Head comment by fat bastard in austin powers!
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 08:39:57 (GMT)
From: Turtle Head Peeping
Email: Shittt!!!!!
To: raian
Subject: IMPOSTER!
Message:
' Where's your bog, your Toilet, I've got a Turtle Head Peeping out my fucking Arse! I'm fuckin bustin for a shit ' Fat Bastard to Dr Evil, The Spy who shagged me, Austin Powers 2
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 14:57:09 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Turtle Head Peeping
Subject: oh (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, May 08, 2000 at 20:16:15 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: To Gerry gErRy or GERRY
Message:
Whoever decides to answer me first...snicker.
No, I just wanted you to know that I did answer you below. It has fallen way down and may go under soon....
VP
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Date: Mon, May 08, 2000 at 20:26:32 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: Ha ! good one VP
Message:
You missed one !!!

No, I don't hold it against you. I wanted you to be aware of what happened, though.

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Date: Mon, May 08, 2000 at 21:41:56 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: forgot you, gerry
Message:
Yeah, I was aware of the basics of what happened through e-mail. I'm glad you won't hold me accountable for other people's harrassing actions. I mean, Brian and Roger got abused, too and I had nothing to do with it what-so-ever----snicker! It would have been a lot easier to be abused anonymously, though, right? I should know:)
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Date: Mon, May 08, 2000 at 20:23:51 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Gerry
Subject: It already went under
Message:
Sooooo....I will kindly reproduce it here for you, Gerry:

Hi, Gerry.
Yes, I know all about that and I feel badly that it happened that way. I'm sorry that I talked you into anything you didn't want to do. The point I was trying to make was that MANY people might not participate if the FA was anonymous. I wasn't asking you to give your name only for my sake, although I have to say it was awfully nice of you to do that, anyway.
It wasn't a BAD idea. If people know who the FA is by name, they can have more confidence that the FA is not someone from Elan Vital. (Lots of paranoia associated with this whole cult thing, apparently :) Any FA should have been able to give their name and NOT be harrassed. It's too bad it doesn't seem to work out that way.

Sorry, Gerry. Don't hold it against me, please. For what it is worth, I think you did the right thing. Sometimes things don't go smoothly when you do the right thing, however.

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Date: Mon, May 08, 2000 at 19:45:16 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: How come I can't answer to JM's thread below?
Message:
I'd like to post a reply to JM's thread that goes:




Date:
Sat, May 06, 2000 at 21:02:07
From:
Jean-Michel
Email:
None
To:
Everyone
Subject:
Here's details on what happened to my ex-website!
Message:

Upon coming back from vacations in the US, here's the translation of the registered letter I
found in my mail:

Club-internet ..... (my internet provider)
....
Paris, April ....

Dear Sir,

We have received on April 12, 2000, a letter from Mr. Lataste from the law firm in
charge of protecting the legal interests of the company called Elan Vital. In this
letter, they ask us to check your website's content and to take the necessary
measures to remove any documents that infringe upon their copyright. Mr. Lataste
informed us that you have reproduced various documents that are EV's exclusive
property.

You are well aware that [such and such French code] states that 'any reproduction
total or in part, without its author's permission, is illegal...' This is why we are asking
you to send us by mail (in the following 8 days) any authorization you have to
reproduce and publish those documents.

If you do not have their authorization, we are asking you to suppress those
documents present on your pages. If we do not receive the authorizations we are
asking for, and/or you do not suppress the documents, we will have to suppress the
access to your pages. A copy of this letter is being sent to to Mr. Lataste. We hope
that you understand this procedure, and send you, Sir, our best wishes.

Mrs ....

I called that person, had a nice talk with her, and anwered her this letter:

Dear ______,

In answer to your registered letter N/Ref:2000/04-290 and after our telephone
conversation today, I confirm my intention to suppress from my website any
reproduction of documents copyrighted by Elan Vital.

To accomplish this, I am requesting that you suppress all my personal pages. I plan
to publish in the pages that my subscription allows only documents written by
myself.

This said, as you can check for yourself in the bibliography that was presented on my
website, the Elan Vital association (previously named Divine Light Mission - merely
the name has been changed) is considered a cult by every authority on this matter.

Other documents on this issue, including many testimonies of former members are
available on the US website http://www.ex-premie.org, including open discussion
forums in English, French and Spanish.

I was a member of this group for more than 20 years. I had various responsibilities
in its organizations for a very long time, and the documents I presented on my
website are meant to allow anybody to have a clear understanding of what Elan
Vital is really about.

Like many organizations of this type, and behind a seductive appearance, a very
deceitful organization and guru are well hidden. For any interested person, or for
any person doing research on this subject, the only way to understand the hidden
aspects of this organization and his so-called 'teachings' is to be able to read a good
choice of documents issued by this organization, as those documents are not
accessible to the public, to newcomers, and even to most of the disciples. Doing this,
of course, involves the risk of being attacked by these organizations.

I hope I have been able to help you understand the meaning of my involvement, and
I hope I'll remain your client under normal conditions. Please accept my best wishes.

I explained the situation to the Ex-Premie.Org administrator who immediately offered to
now host those criminal pages on Ex-Premie.Org

..........

So much for the vilains of EV France! No doubt they've spent a lot of time, energy and
money in this procedure. To achieve what?


For some reason there's no reply box.

Forum Admin?

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Date: Mon, May 08, 2000 at 20:21:33 (GMT)
From: Duh
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Do you know the meaning...
Message:
...of the word 'inactive'?

Now that you have brought JM's post up to the Active Index, go ahead and make your comments.

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Date: Mon, May 08, 2000 at 20:36:45 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Duh
Subject: Wow - so archiving is constant? (Honest Injun it w
Message:
Wow - so archiving is constant? (Honest Injun - it was active when I posted)

Anyway - Jean Michel:

Hope your personal website can get back online soon, without the copyrighted EV stuff if necessary.

However, there was a lot of good research you have published that had NO relation to EV's copyrighted output. I hope you can soon get that online again sans probleme.

BTW, is the stuff DLM (Divine Light Mission) published now the property of Elan Vital? If so, it's a dead giveaway that the Maha still stands by the lies he told back in the 70s and 80s.

And where have those great JPGs gone? (not least of the last London Latvian night?) Did that blasted 'I Love You' bug wipe them? Hope not.

Finally, apologies to Anth for not having replied to his (now 'inactive') reply from France. I was studying Miles Kington's 'Franglais' mais never got sur too bien avec it. Savez what je mean?

A bientot, mon vieux (whatever that means)

Chris

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Date: Mon, May 08, 2000 at 20:54:41 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: assuming you've had too much of that beer .....
Message:
All you're looking for is now the exes' community's property.

As for some personal stuff that don't have anything to do with Rawat, I'll host them on my new website located on some small pacific island, beyond the vilains' reach ......

This said, I don't know who owns the copyrights. For the old stuff, I assume it's brother Satpal, and for the new stuff, I don't know. Now they'll have to bring the evidence to the court, and I guess they'll never do that, that'd be too funny.

Copyrighting the discourses of the Lord of the Universe ? Isn't what he said and did for the benefit of every living being?

LOL!!!!!

I guess he can stick his copyrights up somewhere ....

Poor Prempal, he doesn't like me!!!!!!

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Date: Mon, May 08, 2000 at 22:51:43 (GMT)
From: Coach
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: and...
Message:
JM,

I guess if it really was HIS knowledge he would copyright that too. I wonder how the legal systems would see that one.

Coach

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