Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Sat, May 20, 2000 at 03:43:13 (GMT)
From: May 08, 2000 To: May 18, 2000 Page: 4 Of: 5


Birthday Goddess -:- At midnight...Happy B-day Katie! :) -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 03:20:50 (GMT)
__ VP -:- Happy Birthday, you Taurus, you -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 17:33:36 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- And from me too.. -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 01:15:11 (GMT)
__ Jerry -:- At midnight...Happy B-day Katie! :) -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 20:55:39 (GMT)
__ __ Helen -:- At midnight...Happy B-day Katie! :) -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 20:59:12 (GMT)
__ JW -:- Happy Birthday, Katie..many happy returns... nt -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 20:54:11 (GMT)
__ Katie -:- Thank you, oh Birthday Goddess! -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 16:58:43 (GMT)
__ Joey -:- At midnight...Happy B-day Katie! :) -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 16:54:57 (GMT)
__ __ Katie -:- Joey, thanks -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 17:00:56 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Happy Birthday -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 16:29:51 (GMT)
__ __ Katie -:- Hey, Anth! -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 17:17:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Happy bday Katie! I came too early -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 10:30:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Hi Katie -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 07:49:24 (GMT)
__ Susan -:- Happy Bday to you and many more on Channel 4! -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 14:48:43 (GMT)
__ __ Katie -:- Thanks, Susan, although... -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 17:21:44 (GMT)
__ Selene -:- At midnight...Happy B-day Katie! :) -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 03:29:10 (GMT)
__ __ Katie -:- to Selene -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 17:08:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ SeleneCumUndun -:- Hi B'day Girl -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 17:16:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Hi B'day Girl -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 17:20:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- Happy Birthday before it's too late -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 01:35:15 (GMT)

raina -:- George Bush Jr. vs. Maharaji for President -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:59:03 (GMT)
__ ET -:- George W. Bush is a DORK! (nt) -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 05:50:05 (GMT)
__ __ JW -:- The Shrub --- Great Book on George W. Bush -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 18:52:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- with a name like that it's got to be good -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 06:41:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ raina -:- but this sort of info can't compete w/ sensational -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 03:21:18 (GMT)

Marianne -:- Hey Gregg!!! -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:57:20 (GMT)
__ Gregg -:- Howdy, Marianne! -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:48:55 (GMT)
__ __ Robyn -:- Hi Gregg! (ot) -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:19:07 (GMT)
__ Robyn -:- Hey Gregg!!! -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 19:39:52 (GMT)
__ __ Marianne -:- Hi Robyn! -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:43:09 (GMT)

Jean-Michel -:- One of the 1st chapters of M's legend now online! -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 13:53:41 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- Brainwashed baby bossy-boots... -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:54:13 (GMT)
__ __ Helen -:- Brainwashed baby bossy-boots... -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 03:38:20 (GMT)
__ Paul -:- One of the 1st chapters of M's legend now online! -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:52:47 (GMT)
__ __ Robyn -:- One of the 1st chapters of M's legend now online! -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:41:28 (GMT)
__ Robyn -:- One of the 1st chapters of M's legend now online! -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 17:55:13 (GMT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- Washing one's dogs: that's what's life is about -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:12:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ Robyn -:- Washing one's dogs: that's what's life is about -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:23:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Helen -:- Washing one's dogs: that's what's life is about -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 03:36:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ SB -:- Sending the hat.... -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 10:52:15 (GMT)

Jennifer -:- Exposing M -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 12:32:16 (GMT)
__ JohnT -:- J'ACCUSE -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 21:17:46 (GMT)
__ __ james flynn -:- J'ACCUSE -:- Sat, May 13, 2000 at 06:39:36 (GMT)
__ Way -:- Exposing M -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 13:54:05 (GMT)
__ __ jondon -:- Exposing M -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 01:42:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ Elaine -:- Darshan line -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 14:33:27 (GMT)

Jethro -:- Sam Bender(OT) -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 11:46:26 (GMT)
__ Sam(not Bender) -:- Sam Bender(OT) -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 01:49:08 (GMT)
__ __ Jethro -:- Thanks but what is 'first class'?(NT) -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 05:45:52 (GMT)

Jethro -:- Sam Bender -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 11:42:22 (GMT)

Angry -:- The Marketing of Mr. Rawat -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 10:32:57 (GMT)
__ hamzen -:- He's also smoked a lot of skunk (nt) -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 17:31:34 (GMT)
__ jondon -:- The Marketing of Mr. Rawat -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 01:38:06 (GMT)
__ __ Angry -:- Elan Vital: A not for profit organization -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 08:37:54 (GMT)

Jim -:- That's your blood, boy -- u just hd a head injury! -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:25:11 (GMT)
__ ex-pink -:- That's your blood, boy -- u just hd a head injury! -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 16:53:25 (GMT)
__ SB -:- Is like an LSD, right? nt -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:49:11 (GMT)
__ __ Gregg -:- LSD -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 16:06:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- Reflexions of 'HIS' intelligence and depth -nt- -:- Sun, May 14, 2000 at 13:28:11 (GMT)

Jim -:- Att: Hamsterologists -- is this about us? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:13:52 (GMT)
__ Everyone -:- Tally of Heartbeats and Breaths -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:29:59 (GMT)
__ raina -:- You were being sarcastic right? -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:14:47 (GMT)
__ __ raina -:- ps Is it common K, Quaids are Sharon Tate's cuzzin -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 14:18:21 (GMT)
__ James Flynn -:- Att: Hamsterologists -- is this about us? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 10:58:40 (GMT)
__ __ raina -:- Hmmm! So you think you'd like to be 'adored'? -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 03:35:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ Oliver -:- Hmmm! So you think you'd like to be 'adored'? -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 05:22:31 (GMT)
__ __ observer -:- Att: Hamsterologists -- is this about us? -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 03:22:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jethro -:- Att: Hamsterologists -- is this about us? -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 11:33:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ Another observer -:- Att: Hamsterologists -- is this about us? -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 10:55:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ observer -:- Att: Hamsterologists -- is this about us? -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 21:27:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Observer - kindly answer my question below (nt) -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 20:15:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- The lion's share ??? -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 09:07:06 (GMT)
__ __ Mili -:- Att: Hamsterologists -- is this about us? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 19:01:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- What do you think 'Jim' is short for? nt -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 12:54:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ can I please guess please -:- jerkoff inyourface meanie -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 07:36:55 (GMT)
__ raina -:- If you need it to be? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:27:22 (GMT)
__ __ Raina -:- Translation -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 04:04:30 (GMT)
__ SB -:- Yes...'THEY' read this site!! -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:53:42 (GMT)

Jim -:- You're ridiculous, Elaine (nothing personal) -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:06:31 (GMT)
__ Elaine -:- You're ridiculous, Elaine (nothing personal) -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 12:59:57 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- You're ridiculous, Elaine (nothing personal) -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 15:01:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ Elaine -:- Get rid of that heading already... -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 15:21:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- And you would confront Maharaji anonymously too? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 15:35:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Elaine B. -:- No -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 16:07:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Culture Of Fear -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:22:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Culture Of Fear -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 21:33:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Culture Of Fear -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 23:09:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Culture -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:21:14 (GMT)

Powerman -:- Travolta on Rosie -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 22:32:01 (GMT)
__ Everyone -:- Scientology's O.K -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 19:46:47 (GMT)
__ __ JW -:- Faint Praise... -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 23:18:17 (GMT)
__ __ Way -:- Re:Scientology's O.K -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 21:13:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ Susan -:- I knew a premie who later became -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 22:08:42 (GMT)
__ JW -:- Travolta on Rosie -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 00:05:11 (GMT)
__ __ Powerman -:- Travolta on Rosie -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 00:24:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ JW -:- Are those really Scientology beliefs??? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 00:31:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Powerman -:- Are those really Scientology beliefs??? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 01:24:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Everyone -:- The Facts Man -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 19:52:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- What naive gobbledygook -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 01:06:42 (GMT)
__ slackandsteel -:- Travolta on Rosie -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 23:42:00 (GMT)
__ __ Everyone -:- Travolta on Rosie -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 19:58:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- 'I was horrified' -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 22:26:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Anyone -:- 'I was horrified' -:- Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:35:28 (GMT)
__ raina -:- Maharaji mentioned on E!Roseanne Doc -:- Tues, May 09, 2000 at 23:22:26 (GMT)
__ __ Gregg -:- I performed with roseanne... -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 14:55:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ Way -:- Roseanne's move -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 15:23:42 (GMT)
__ __ raina -:- ps I saw it weeks ago...thought someone else might -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:31:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ Way -:- Re:Roseanne bio -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 14:25:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Gregg -:- thanks, Raina and Way, and by the way... -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 15:51:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- ugh Arizona -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 17:44:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Gregg -:- 'celluar intercourse' -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:46:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- gawd! do you know where these characters are? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:52:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gregg -:- Scottsdale. see rickross.com for GQ article (nt) -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:51:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- read it and more! -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 21:46:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Powerman -:- thanks, Raina and Way, and by the way... -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 17:36:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Rosanne, not Rosie? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:00:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Powerman -:- Rosanne, not Rosie? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 21:18:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Rosanne, not Rosie? -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:25:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Powerman -:- Rosanne, not Rosie? -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 07:08:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- NOT TRUE -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 04:31:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Powerman -:- NOT TRUE -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 07:06:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- I got carried away -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 15:57:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ selene -:- 'xcuse shouting! not meant that way -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 04:57:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Ajax -:- Rosanne, not Rosie? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:54:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Rosanne, not Rosie? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 19:06:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Rosanne, not Rosie? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:57:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Rosanne, not Rosie? -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:27:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Ajax -:- The Instant Coffee Kids -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 21:14:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- The Instant Coffee Kids -:- Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 20:45:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Ajax -:- Rosanne, not Rosie? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 19:38:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Rosanne, not Rosie? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 19:43:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Rosanne, not Rosie? -:- Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:59:00 (GMT)


Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 03:20:50 (GMT)
From: Birthday Goddess
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: At midnight...Happy B-day Katie! :)
Message:
Dear Katie,
Can't stay up another minute and don't want to chance forgetting by morning. :| Some goddess, I know. Speaking of John Travolta, I am a Birthday Goddess like he was Michael the slovenly angle! :)
Well dear, you are the first person I communicated with beyond this forum as you were for many others. I am so glad we have had some time to spend together and hope to again too.
Glad you are a friend of mine. Have a great day! :)
Love ya,
Robyn
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 17:33:36 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Happy Birthday, you Taurus, you
Message:
Well, I know this is late and I'm bad, but the card I have for you is very funny (I found another 'Forum-like' card, if you can believe it.)

I hope your day was great and that ALL of you days are great, not just your birthdays.

With Love,
VP (and company)

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 01:15:11 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Birthday Goddess
Subject: And from me too..
Message:
Relax, you'll never be as old as me!

Ta for all, Katie, and have great one.

Nige

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 20:55:39 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Birthday Goddess
Subject: At midnight...Happy B-day Katie! :)
Message:
Happy Birthday, Katie. Have a good one :)
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 20:59:12 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: At midnight...Happy B-day Katie! :)
Message:
Dear Katie,
Maybe birthday! I am linin' up in this here line of fine people to wish you a very very happy day. You are a terrific person and I sure am glad you were born! Hope that the evening is as good as the day for you. Lots of love, Helen
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 20:54:11 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Happy Birthday, Katie..many happy returns... nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 16:58:43 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Birthday Goddess
Subject: Thank you, oh Birthday Goddess!
Message:
And thanks for reminding the Perfect WebMaster too...snicker! He can't even remember his OWN birthday.

I'm so glad you e-mailed me that first time! Hope to see you again this summer.

Lots of love -
Katie

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 16:54:57 (GMT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Birthday Goddess
Subject: At midnight...Happy B-day Katie! :)
Message:
Sometimes I could swear that in every dungheap there's a gem.
And on this god forsaken page of blabbering bullshit, this is the gem! The fact that it`s your birthday!!

Actually I'm glad I dropped in today or else I would have missed this completely. Believe it or not, I'm posting at the old 'internet cafe' which has changed its name to 'network cafe'. My own computer has been stricken with one mother of a virus and apparently it`ll take a couple of weeks to get it back. (Heck if I`m lucky, hopefully even longer:::)))

I hope all is well with you and Brian, and that you have a beautiful today on your birthday with many, many happy returns.

Well they may have changed the name of the place, but they certainly haven`t changed the croissants. I think I`m going to have one now on you:::))

All the best Katie!!

Love,

Joey

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 17:00:56 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: Joey, thanks
Message:
Hi Joey -
Almost in real time! Thanks for your good wishes, and enjoy the croissants - wish I could have one too.

Lots of love,
Katie
a.k.a. Princess Leia :)

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 16:29:51 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Kate
Subject: Happy Birthday
Message:
Happy birthday to you,
happy birthday to you,
happy birthday dear Kate
Happy birthday to you.

I hope you have a great day, filled with cake, jelly, trifle, expensive presents, magnificent surprises, and lotsa genuine, good old human love.

Anth the Over the Hill and Far Away.

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 17:17:57 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Hey, Anth!
Message:
So far, the day has been great - I went to work very early before it got too hot, and to avoid getting run over by students desperate to get out of town (it is the end of term here, and it's crazy). Then I got to take a NAP! Sometimes the everyday pleasures are the best.

Take care - maybe we'll see you this summer...
Katie the 44-year-old.

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 10:30:46 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Happy bday Katie! I came too early
Message:
I didn't know about that date .... I could have come a bit later, and made a great veg BBQ!!!

Love
JM

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 07:49:24 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Hi Katie
Message:
Hope you had a good day.

You've got six more years before you're officially old, so make the most of them.

Do I take it from your comments you're thinking of visiting Europe this year?

Anth the Old

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 14:48:43 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Birthday Goddess
Subject: Happy Bday to you and many more on Channel 4!
Message:
Yes, I do have children. And scooby doo on channel two.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 17:21:44 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Thanks, Susan, although...
Message:
...I don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about:)! Can you tell that I DON'T have kids!

Lots of love -
Katie

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 03:29:10 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: At midnight...Happy B-day Katie! :)
Message:
breaking my usual grumpy form here....
Katie was the first to reach out to me too!
We have weathered the most amazing storms together. And always made it through with our mutual reality checks. How could I ever forget anyone who gave me my true guide to Tucson? (Almanac)
I love you and you indulge yourself on this day.
Do what I should have done! stay off line and well....
'only if you want to' :)
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 17:08:55 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: to Selene
Message:
First, thank you so much for the birthday card (MOOOO!) and gift. You're a good friend to me, and I'm glad we got to 'meet' - I hope we get to meet in person some day soon.

Lots of love,
Katie

P.S. I like the 'new' Selene - you go, girl!

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 17:16:06 (GMT)
From: SeleneCumUndun
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Hi B'day Girl
Message:
I had just decided to work today for a change and they just asked me to yet another celebratory lunch (not even sure exactly what we are celebrating this time!) but I'll think of you.
I really like this me too. As I said over on AG it's like losing the bonds that tie - 'deja vu all over again'.

You ferget abboud all this nonsense and have a wonderful day!!(I can obssess enough for both of us and then some)

Love you.

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 17:20:32 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: SeleneCumUndun
Subject: Hi B'day Girl
Message:
Hey, if the forum wasn't here, how would Brian remember my birthday????

BTW, I know what you mean about 'losing the bonds that tie' - feels good doesn't it?

Love,
Katie

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 01:35:15 (GMT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Happy Birthday before it's too late
Message:
Did you get any good presents?

Happy birthday, Katie.

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:59:03 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: George Bush Jr. vs. Maharaji for President
Message:
Yes funny haha? But!
can we play hypothetical situation?

The jokes have all been made....very VERY funny jokes....
but seriously....who would you vote for?

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 05:50:05 (GMT)
From: ET
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: George W. Bush is a DORK! (nt)
Message:
dork
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 18:52:35 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: ET
Subject: The Shrub --- Great Book on George W. Bush
Message:
There is a GREAT book out by Molly Ivans on George W. Bush called :

Shrub: The Short but Happy Political Life of George W. Bush

It's a great book that exposes the lies of George W. about his education, environmental, health reform and business records in Texas.

For example, did you know that every business George W. ran went bankrupt, but were bailed out by friends of his father?

Did you know that his father's friends gave him the opportunity, and the money, to invest in the Texas Rangers baseball team, from which he obtained a 2000% return on his investment? [Which makes any return Hillary Clinton got on futures trading seem exceedingly small.]

Anyhow, it's a great book, and Molly is a great, and funny, writer.

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 06:41:45 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: with a name like that it's got to be good
Message:
thanks JW I'm going to get it
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 03:21:18 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: but this sort of info can't compete w/ sensational
Message:
news stories about infanticed commited by drunken skank trailer trash.........
it has to be a Bush conspiracy.
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:57:20 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: MarianneDB@aol.com
To: Gregg
Subject: Hey Gregg!!!
Message:
Hi Gregg. How are you doing? I just read your post about your wife and the video. No hard working public defender would accept all that bullshit that M spews. It doesn't pass the laugh test, as defense attorneys like to say. What did she actually say about it? I am very interested in her reaction.

How goes things in the Rockies? Spring has hit Ireland big time. Everyone is strolling up and down the River Lee in T shirts, shorts and sandals. Sunsets loom pink and large in the sky. I go back to San Francisco next week. I'm going to miss it here.

Hope you're well.

Love, Marianne

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:48:55 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Howdy, Marianne!
Message:
Yeah, it's really spring here, too. I walk around at lunchtime; my school is in a nice old neighborhood and there are flowers everywhere. The air is warm and cool at the same time -- spring is great. It's also very very brief in high desert country. Back in the Midwest, the slow steady onset of spring is gorgeously green and moist; here, it's summer before you know it. But summers are so much nicer than back East. Cool nights. Dry days. Afternoon thunderstorms.

Our garden is planted, our backyard water garden is gurgling, and the cold snap we had in April didn't kill the peach blossoms like it does two out of three springs, so we have hundreds of tiny little peaches on our tree.

I'd tell you more about Paula's reaction to Rev. Sun Myung Maharaji's video, but she just asked me a few questions then fell asleep. This guru stuff is way beyond the pale as far as she's concerned...she must think I did a little too much acid or something. I'm not sure she can really picture the life we lead back then. Although maybe if I compared it with the life of a Deadhead she'd understand...

Sometimes airplanes land in Denver to catch their breaths...if you ever have a DIA layover, let me know!

I'm glad you had such a good time in Eire. I hope to go there someday with my family.

Love,

Gregg

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:19:07 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Hi Gregg! (ot)
Message:
Dear Gregg,
Sorry to be so rude, reply to a post to you, not change the subject and not even a hi Gregg for you! I enjoyed reading about spring in your part of the country. I am in Pennsylvania and we had a lot of 70's in March then cold in April and 90's in May, the average temp here for May is in the 60's! Crazy but much better then the extreem cold we had this winter!
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 19:39:52 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Hey Gregg!!!
Message:
Dear Marianne,
How are YOU!? Oh, I bet you will miss it there. Back to the rat race, maybe you miss home some though too!
I don't know if you saw but Jess is moving to N.CA, to go to grad school at Humbolt. I guess it is far from SF but maybe we can get together when I am out there again, make it a side trip with a rental car or something.
Have a safe trip home.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:43:09 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Hi Robyn!
Message:
Hi sweetie! How are you? I read the posts about Jess going to Humboldt. She'll like it there. It's beautiful. People are nice and forward thinking. The school is very good.

By all means, come to SF when you visit her. The drive up takes about 4 hours, but it is easy and very pretty. You can always stay with me.

Yep, I'm headed back to the work rat race. Teaching hasn't seemed like work in comparison to doing my death penalty cases. I've begun to miss SF, but I am really going to miss Cork. They're talking about having me back next year, so maybe I'll be back soon!

I'll give you a call when I get home. Tell Jess congratulations for me.

Love, Marianne

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 13:53:41 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: One of the 1st chapters of M's legend now online!
Message:
Most of you have never heard that I guess .....

One of the first chapters of Rawat's legend

I'm sure most premies will love reading this ....

Of course they'll never thank me for this new crime!!!!

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:54:13 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Brainwashed baby bossy-boots...
Message:
Thanks J-M.

If only half that story is true it illustrates so vividly the way the family and cult members must have carried on around the wee hamster: in this pathetic, servile manner, believing themselves to be in the presence of some sort of God-child. All the while, what they are really doing is fucking up the kid's development and turning him into a freak with messianic delusions. Shit, what chance did he have of any sort of emotional stability or sense of proportion with all that going on?

('Never wept', indeed...) Certainly makes you wanna.

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 03:38:20 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Brainwashed baby bossy-boots...
Message:
Nigel,
I have to tell you the title of this post just made me laugh and laugh!!
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:52:47 (GMT)
From: Paul
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: One of the 1st chapters of M's legend now online!
Message:
JM, thanks for posting this bit of history. I think it's important that people have the opportunity to see the extent of the myths and organization that went into creating the 'Living Lord' of our times. Particularly when there is so much historical revisionism going on in presenting M as the new,improved, new age meditation teacher. These bits of history also help explain why the conditioning of premies in the 70s and early 80s was (and for many still is) so powerful.

Paul

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:41:28 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Paul
Subject: One of the 1st chapters of M's legend now online!
Message:
Dear Paul,
I do agree with it being important that this type of thing be available to read. It just doesn't interest me. I didn't want you to think I don't support the availability of the informations on these ex sites because I do.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 17:55:13 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: One of the 1st chapters of M's legend now online!
Message:
Dear JM,
I can hardely wait to read it!!! :) NOT! I think I'd rather wash my dogs!
Sorry, I know this stuff interests you...I am a good example of life after and without M! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:12:06 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Washing one's dogs: that's what's life is about
Message:
specially with a dog like Legend!!!! Are your ponds dry these days?

She loves to roll in the mud, for those who don't know, and you can imagine what Robyn's life (and house) looks like ....

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:23:02 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Washing one's dogs: that's what's life is about
Message:
Dear Jean-Michel,
While Legend would be a great name for a dog, the dog of mine you are referring to is Fable! :) Hahaha! Yes, we are all just one big mud ball in the spring and this wasn't a particularly muddy season! Get ready though as she is in a hat box headed for France! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 03:36:28 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Robyn, J-M
Subject: Washing one's dogs: that's what's life is about
Message:
Well let's see, there's Legend and Myth and Folktale and Fairy Tale......all my little puppies....my little angels.....

That Fable is a pistol!! Yup, there's nothin' more entertainin' than washing a damn dog that just rolled in a dead animal--yee - haw!!

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 10:52:15 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Sending the hat....
Message:
and buying the box will cost you more THAN the hat: hahahahha

Your house is fine....Lovely home...

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 12:32:16 (GMT)
From: Jennifer
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Exposing M
Message:
Hello exes et al,

It amazes me that more energy is not put into actually exposing M. Not just here but at events. Signs, Flyers, Anonymous phone calls, Letters, Media, lawsuits. He took a lot of time and effort to get JM's site to go away, how long will it take before Moron starts attacking the others? I know that talking about it here helps a lot!!! I know the websites here will detract some aspirants and premies, but GM still has enough followers to live large. Toooo large. There are so many people here with diversified expertise, there must be other ways to expose this fraud. On a bigger scale, legally. Coming on the web and arguing with one premie at a time will never work. There needs to be www.ex-premie signs at every single event! I know too many premies that don't even know this site exists.

You have all done an excellent job getting to those who have searched you out. But, isn't it true that those people who have come here on their own had doubts in the first place? They are easy targets. How do you reach the hard core die hard premies. The premies that travel half way across the planet to hear that Moron speak? The premies that pay over and over again to hear the Moron via satellite? The premies that have Moron video collections?

I found this site after a friend wanted me to learn more. Well I did learn more, just not what she wanted me to learn. I've mentioned the ex site to her, but she still will not come here. Says it's all lies, she heard about it before, all lies. She also said I should stay away from that site. (which gives me more reason to visit). So some premies do know of the site but cannot bring themselves to look at it. Maybe you exes do have other methonds of exposing Moron, I don't know, but something needs to be done! He tours the world like a rock star. People listen to him and have listened to him for years and years. Good for all of you that have taken back your lives, I commend you!

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 21:17:46 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: M
Subject: J'ACCUSE
Message:

J'ACCUSE Prem Pal Rawat
=======================

Your crimes are great, because you have no heart.
They are against the Good; against Mankind;
and everyone you've lured by evil art -
the open-hearted hopeful you entwined.
To business then. Your crime against the Good
is chiefly that you stir the keening love
of hungry souls who have not understood
and bend it to your use, from God above.
So I say, be like a decent man, just try
to put aside your trickster mind. Climb down
from your undeserved, stolen throne. Cry
Freedom! to the conned. Take off fake Krishna crown.
You know, like all the world, you're just this guy
who's made it rich by riding family lie.

My second charge, of crimes against us all,
is this:- You've taken ancient 'heritance
and claimed it as your own to hold in thrall
the open-hearted hopeful; made them dance
to your most selfish tune. Foul falderol!
The knowledge that you claim as yours alone
to give, in fact was gifted to us all
in Yogic scriptures. Yet falsely you intone
those four techniques work only by your grace!
You lie, false God, I'll spell it out for you
- were you unborn they'd work in any case!
So, two, I say, disown those lies. Speak true.
No God nor Master. Just a wicked fraud
grown rich by claiming you're the only Lord.

My third charge is that you lied for gain, for gold.
Your houses, planes, dope untold, all obtained
from open-hearted hopefuls you have rolled.
You've left Maharaji's name forever stained.
For though you were a tender child when put
upon imposter's throne, you're now quite grown,
in wealth and power too. So, third, you foot
the bill of restitution - all you own.
Prem Pal Rawat my challenges are clear.
By words and deeds you must make some reply;
the time of worldly reckoning draws near.
You know the truth. Your life has been a lie.
Your silence now admits my words are true
- called 'Liar' to the world, you dare not sue!

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Date: Sat, May 13, 2000 at 06:39:36 (GMT)
From: james flynn
Email: not given
To: JohnT
Subject: J'ACCUSE
Message:
Bravo!!!
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 13:54:05 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Jennifer
Subject: Exposing M
Message:
Jennifer, please email me at wwilliam@kumc.edu I wish to respond to your post off-line.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 01:42:05 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: Jennifer and All
Subject: Exposing M
Message:
Just got some info. regarding the Boston visit of M. Apparently it is located somewhere in the Copley section of town. Copley Theatre, perhaps. Just go to Copley Center and follow any of a number of smiling zombies. Or even ask them where it is. There is also talk of him speaking to those who do not have tickets to get in, possibly performing darshan after his speech. You don't wanna miss this one.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 14:33:27 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: jondon
Subject: Darshan line
Message:
He'll never have people kiss his feet again on North American soil is my wager.
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 11:46:26 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: jc@jethro666.screaming,net
To: Australians
Subject: Sam Bender(OT)
Message:
Can anyone in Oz put me in contact with Sam Bender or pass on to him my email address(given above). The last I knew, he was living in the Gold Coast area.

Tks Jethro

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 01:49:08 (GMT)
From: Sam(not Bender)
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Sam Bender(OT)
Message:
He is on Gold Coast- involved in community there- rech through 'first class' or community co-ordinator
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 05:45:52 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Sam(not Bender)
Subject: Thanks but what is 'first class'?(NT)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 11:42:22 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: jc@jethro666.screaming.net
To: Anyone in Australia
Subject: Sam Bender
Message:
Can anyone put me in touch with Sam Bender. The last I knew of him, he was living the Gold Coast area.
If you know him, please ask him to contact me on the above email or tell him I still have the same phone number as when he came to the UK in 96.

Jethro

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 10:32:57 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: The Marketing of Mr. Rawat
Message:
I've been thinking about how Fatso Ji has changed his approach to bleeding the finances of his poor cult members. The sale of videos by Visions must have slowed down significantly. Hence, the fire sale we saw a few months back.

Now, he seems to be doing small programs and then selling them on pay-per-view to those who are unable to attend. The recent news that he has discounted the Santa Monica broadcast to $20/head is very interesting to me.

They(Rawat & Co-conspirators)are trying to identify the price point. That is, they're trying to find the point where they can extort the most $$ from the flock. I wonder if they have consulted the World Wrestling Federation (WWF)who seem to have had the most succe$$ in this.

He's a SKUNK

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 17:31:34 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: He's also smoked a lot of skunk (nt)
Message:
ughmmmm......nice weed
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 01:38:06 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: The Marketing of Mr. Rawat
Message:
My Roommate received a coupon from Visions Int. today, for $5.00 off any order of videos over $15.00.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 08:37:54 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: jondon
Subject: Elan Vital: A not for profit organization
Message:
I think it's called Chicago Marketing. You sell as many of the product as you can at the highest possible price-then lower it gradually to bring in new buyers at each level.
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:25:11 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: That's your blood, boy -- u just hd a head injury!
Message:
From ELK:

Between pink ice and the magic carpet

I am somewhat in transformation as we speak.
Who I am, I do not really know,
I seem familiar to myself, a distant relative.

I just want to welcome this energy, this presence
learn to know who I really am.
Detached and yet involved, is all so relative.

To just be pink droplets encapsulated by Knowledge.
From the magic carpet that is now all pink,
fluorescent pink along the water,
even over the rocks in this spring display of magic in Pacific Grove.

Fernanda Zevallos
Pacific Grove, Ca, USA

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 16:53:25 (GMT)
From: ex-pink
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: That's your blood, boy -- u just hd a head injury!
Message:
Floating on a pink stream
Shades of pink lap at my sides
cover my breasts but for the nipples
Healing pink flowing to me and through me
pulsing with sensuality
M is far from my experience
he hasn't ruined pink for me
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:49:11 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Is like an LSD, right? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 16:06:11 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: LSD
Message:
'pink droplets encapsulated by Knowledge'...can someone help me out with this image? What color is Knowledge? Do they just publish anything that crosses the threshold as long as it has the buzzwords? This poem is awful.
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Date: Sun, May 14, 2000 at 13:28:11 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Reflexions of 'HIS' intelligence and depth -nt-
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:13:52 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Att: Hamsterologists -- is this about us?
Message:
A Happy Clapper report from ELK follows. Now tell me, am I reading too much into this or is he addressing us however obliquely in the emphasized portion?:

Maharaji in Miami

The magic never ends
A report from Claudia de Lima

After almost 17 years with Maharaji in my life, it always amazes me the fact that with him, the magic never ends!

I had this great and surprising opportunity of participating in both Miami events. Not only was my personal experience filled with love and wonder, but being able to be a part of the whole brought so much joy into my heart. Where else in this world would I see so many people with so much love and gratitude? Absolutely beautiful, like a clock with a heartbeat. If life is a party, with Knowledge we can truly enjoy the music. And in participating we can dance to its tunes. So much to say... so much to be grateful for... I could have stayed there forever! But just a simple and sincere 'Thank you' will express all I have in my heart. Thank you Maharaji. You are my best friend, the sun that brightens my life.

The moments of a lifetime...

Both events were strong, moving experiences for me. I felt lucky and transformed to be there. Here are some brief memories of what Maharaji was telling me:

He talked about the need for people to pay attention to their inner desire for fulfilment, that people have a right to be kind and to be fulfilled. He said there was a need to really start realising that we have that right.

He talked about the people, who do a lot of good work for the poor, the needy and the homeless and how this is really worthy because there is a need for this kind of work But he asked what about all the people who live so called regular lives, and what about the people helping other people but not helping themselves.

Who, he asked, is trying to help all these people to find inner peace? He explained that the world is not an entity that can be fixed; peace has to be realised in each human heart. This is not an experience that can be evoked or forced; it has to come from an inner thirst, an inner desire to be fulfilled. Too much emphasis is being placed on blame, on looking at all the reasons why this happened and that happened, we have become part of a culture which no longer understands tolerance, kindness and individual responsibility.

We have to take the good with the bad, he said, that is the nature of life, but how you feel inside will shape your reaction to what happens in your life.

He emphasised that life is the most precious gift. Every breath is an unrepeatable moment. He went on to emphasise that it's up to each of us to choose how we view that individual moment. Gratitude and acceptance of life are what change each breath from a missed opportunity to an opportunity to be fulfilled in every moment. A moment, a minute, an hour, he explained is a reflection of a lifetime. How you approach the individual moments will shape how you view life.

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:29:59 (GMT)
From: Everyone
Email: None
To: Jim and All
Subject: Tally of Heartbeats and Breaths
Message:
I was looking for somewhere to post this and it kind of fits.

This is how many heatbeats i have had in my life :1929547429 of course it's gone up by now.

This is how many heartbeats I've had since getting knowledge:1134321949

This is how many heartbeats I've had since I left knowledge:
36143508

This is how many breaths i've had since I was born, of course it's gone up by now:375184446

This is how many breats since getting knowledge:2205594727

This is how many breaths since I left knowledge: 7027820

When m talks about breaths and heartbeats I can't see any difference between someone with knowledge or without. THE BEAT GOES ON.

Everyone

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:14:47 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You were being sarcastic right?
Message:
But if you were or not, may I run a thought by you?
(Don't read if you answer no)

OK. I'm fuzzy on the years so don't pick such deatils apart etc.

I believe it was 1987(?) and I was working on the stupidest film ever made (can't even remember the name-wouldn't tell you anyway as my name is actually in the credits). I was basically a P.A. (the entire crew was only about 15 people).

The 'star/writer/producer' who was a cousin of Dennis Quaid (and Meg Ryan through marraige).
I naively agreed to have breakfast with him one morning, on the pretense that he wanted my feedback on another script he'd given me to read.

We were in the Deli/Diner on 6th Ave between 15th and 16th street in NYC, sitting in a booth across from each other when I chose to make fun of his cliche 'love' scene by throwing my head back and pretending to orgasm. People around us were taken aback, and he was laughing hysterically while telling me I was the funniest person he'd ever met.

When I saw 'When Harry Met Sally' about a year later, in a theatre in Melbourne(?) Florida, (with the psycho-path who intorduced me to Maharaji 6 weeks later) I felt like my heart stopped.
But of course I didn't say anything to anyone...that would sound too crazy right!

And months later, when I picked up a magazine (in a bookstore on Haight St. in SF) to read an interview with Nora Ephron, who when asked about 'that MOST FAMOUS scene', said that 'Meg came up with that'......hmmmmmm.

Could someone please tell me how delusional and fucked up i am.....that it was just a 'coincedence'-and that I 'need psychiatric help', so we can go back to talking about murderous skank trailer trash and the death penalty?

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 14:18:21 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: whoever
Subject: ps Is it common K, Quaids are Sharon Tate's cuzzin
Message:
s?
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 10:58:40 (GMT)
From: James Flynn
Email: not given
To: Jim
Subject: Att: Hamsterologists -- is this about us?
Message:
Dear Jim,

I understand how elated you felt when you saw Maharaj Ji and how profound you must have thought his message was to you.
I can totally relate to those feeling because that is exactly how I use to feel when I was in a large crowd that had gathered to see him. There is enthusiam, excitement, and generally speaking it is a festive occassion. The lights, the stage,the music that is performed, all of these things add to the intensity of the experience and reinforce the belief that Maharaj Ji is somthing really special. When I was a premie we use to sing a song to him that went somthing like ' the Lord of the Universe Has Come to us this day. The Lord of the Universe has come to us this day. And he's come to show us the light, and he's come to show us the Love, and he's come to show us the Way back to our Father.' It seemed that the moe we sang these devotional songs and the more we placed him on a pedastal, the more we actually believed he was God incarnate and were willing to do anything that he asked us uncritically. That is why we never questioned his lifestyle or listened to any gossip regarding his personal behavior.

Many people moved into ashrams, worked in businesses where most of the proceeds went to support Maharaj Ji and his extravagant lifestyle. Only token gestures were made to help the poor or do anything of a charitable nature. He was the Lord of the Universe, his own Universe in which everything revolved around him and satisfying his own personal desires. The premies became the means by which he could generate income to do that, also I thinked he liked the attention, who wouldn't?

Can you imagine what it must be like to have thousands of people totally in love with you willing to do whatever you want them to do. God thats got to be such a fantastic Ego Trip! Who would want to give that up? Just think of all the money and perks that go along with it? What about that gorgeous wife he's got, you think he would be knocking the bottom out of her if he was just another fatman from India?

Also in regards to Maharaj Ji talk of Gratitude and Acceptance those concepts are common to spiritual programs universally. Love is blind truly, I can't keep you from being blinded by your love for Maharaj Ji, nor can I tell you what you will replace him with. I just want to tell you that I have been where you are and I think
you in for a rude awakening. When that happens I just want you to know that there are many EXs here to lend their support and talk you through it.

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 03:35:11 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: James Flynn
Subject: Hmmm! So you think you'd like to be 'adored'?
Message:
It's interesting that you think it would be a fantastic 'ego trip' etc that no one would want to give up?

I see being 'loved' by 1000's (or millions) of people (strangers) who are in fact clueless about 'love' and their (real need) to control or posess, more like the final scene in The Night of the Living Dead.

You would constantly be trying to find more and more compassion for these 'well-meaning' self-serving (although they'd never see it that way themselves) zombies. Like being in a snake pit. Or like taming cobra's. Cobra's in love. Who, if you ever got too close and tried to 'move on' from them, will publicly accuse you of a (made up) violent crime, to keep from 'loosing' someone they never really 'had' in the first place.

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 05:22:31 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Hmmm! So you think you'd like to be 'adored'?
Message:
Believe it or not raina, I find myself in full agreement with you.
I am reminded of the saying, 'Hell is never ever being on your own.' And wouldn't that be the situation M would normally find difficult to put himself in? No wonder he turned to drink and drugs.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 03:22:18 (GMT)
From: observer
Email: None
To: James Flynn
Subject: Att: Hamsterologists -- is this about us?
Message:
>>>Many people moved into ashrams, worked in businesses where most of the proceeds went to support Maharaj Ji and his extravagant lifestyle.

FYI, most of the proceeds went to supporting the houses,ashram premies,national offices,local and national activities, events,tours,projects,video production and distribution,etc.That is fact!
Yes he lived in a nice house and yes he has nice things and an attractive wife but that's not where the lion's share of the 'proceeds' went.Your focus on his lifestyle is dishonest and misinforms.Or do you care?

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 11:33:52 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: observer
Subject: Att: Hamsterologists -- is this about us?
Message:
Pray tell us which ashrams you lived in.

Were you by any chance at Birmingham in the middle 80s when he did the 'rejoices'.

He had a complete suite for his own use for smoking, becuase he really needed a puff in those days....and what m wants m gets.
Of course this was while 'his premies' were scraping pennies to give to him.

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 10:55:04 (GMT)
From: Another observer
Email: None
To: observer
Subject: Att: Hamsterologists -- is this about us?
Message:
YOU ARE MISINFORMED!!

Do not talk about something if you don't know... didn't your mommy telling you this long a go?

Cheers!

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 21:27:40 (GMT)
From: observer
Email: None
To: Another observer
Subject: Att: Hamsterologists -- is this about us?
Message:
Sorry my friend it is you who must be misinformed.But of course I am open to hearing any facts you may have that refute my statements.Again,just to be clear,we are talking about the monies raised,donated or otherwise.Are you really trying to tell us that most of that went to him?Don’t be absurd!
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 20:15:53 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: observer
Subject: Observer - kindly answer my question below (nt)
Message:
Observer - kindly answer my question below (nt)
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 09:07:06 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: observer
Subject: The lion's share ???
Message:
So the jet, the yacht, the mansions, the fleets of cars, (multi-million dollar cost) didn't come from the ashrams or premie businesses eh?

So how DOES the Maha earn enough to support such a lavish lifestyle?

Darshan lines?

And what does he tell the taxman?

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 19:01:53 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: James Flynn
Subject: Att: Hamsterologists -- is this about us?
Message:
HA HA HA HAH HA HA HA HA HA...! He actually addressed it to Jim. This is hilarious!
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 12:54:34 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Mili
Subject: What do you think 'Jim' is short for? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 07:36:55 (GMT)
From: can I please guess please
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: jerkoff inyourface meanie
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:27:22 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: If you need it to be?
Message:
Maybe he's talking about a wife? A brother? uh, absolutely ANYBODY!!!!
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 04:04:30 (GMT)
From: Raina
Email: None
To: JIM
Subject: Translation
Message:
Paraphrased Maharaji:
(by a Happy Clapper right?):

'Too much emphasis is being placed on blame, on looking at all the
reasons why this happened and that happened, we have become
part of a culture which no longer understands tolerance, kindness
and individual responsibility.
We have to take the good with the bad, he said, that is the nature
of life, but how you feel inside will shape your reaction to what
happens in your life.'

Hellraiser Translation:

'Too much emphasis is being placed on Jim, on looking at all the
reasons why this happened to Jim and that happened to Jim, we
have been reduced to sharing this inner experience with these
morons who no longer understand the rules, surrender, and the
need for complete submission to the stool at my throne.
We have to take the good with the Jims, he said, that is the nature
of wife, and how she feels inside about her shape's reaction to what
happens in forum V.'

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:53:42 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Yes...'THEY' read this site!!
Message:
WE keep giving 'them' ideas!! Is too funny.... and pathetic in the same time.

How can he be stopped? Hmmm....

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 02:06:31 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: You're ridiculous, Elaine (nothing personal)
Message:
Elaine,

Listening to you talk about Maharaji's faults is a joke. If you were out front and open about a single one of them -- in his presence -- your entire bogus 'independent premie' facade would crumple if seconds. Either you'd abandon all criticism or you guys would spark such that there's no way in the world you'd feel like one of his anythings when you left the room.

That's the real world. Here, you're just posturing.

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 12:59:57 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You're ridiculous, Elaine (nothing personal)
Message:
So Jim,
What is it you think - that I'm afraid to say to M the things I don't like? About him or his org.? I said to you before I never had the desire. But,gee, if all of you would just LIKE me...ok that's me joking. What do I have to do. Not only write to him but give you the letter for you to mail ? You'll need some kind of proof won't you?
Elaine
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 15:01:22 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: You're ridiculous, Elaine (nothing personal)
Message:
No, it's not quite like that. I'm not saying that you wouldn't criticize Maharaji to his face. Rather, I'm saying that if you did, one of two things would happen: you'd either end up giving up those critical ideas right there and then, crying 'uncle' (or maybe 'guru', as it were) or you'd walk out of that encounter knowing that you were decidedly not a premie. Without a doubt, one of those two things would happen.

But, even as far as your idea goes, that of confronting Maharaji in a letter, well if you're serious about showing us how ready you are to do that, you could start by simply telling us who you are. Who are you? Elaine who? From what city?

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 15:21:56 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Get rid of that heading already...
Message:
Hmmm, you have asked me that bef Jim. Seriously, why is that important to you. I really do have a problem with that on a public or internationally read forum.

I think I'm just being baited or something.But for what I don't know.

Are their other exes that openly give there name? I know Joe Whalen and Mark Appleman and kmdarling and Katie do.
In my home town - I'm unlisted in the phonebook. When my neighbors ask me what I do for a living, I've pretended I didn't hear them or lie directly to their faces. It's none of their business,I feel.
(No shame) With my associates at work - I don't know if they're married or have children. I don't care really bec I'm dealing with 'them' only.
But really, it's none of my business and I wait for them to offer information about themselves. It may sound strange,I know. But, I do to them what I want them to do to me.
{Don't ask me alot of personal questions.}

I don't ask EVER how was their Holiday for example. Mine often suck - so I don't want them to say 'Great' and not mean it.
Suck in the sense - anytime spent with the family that is still alive can be difficult. It's just non of their business. As it's really none of mine about their Holiday. And also it is in the past and I really don't care.

Why say all this? Just to tell you more about me - I would have an aversion for giving my name and address for example.

So where do we go from here? With that said.

Elaine

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 15:35:35 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: And you would confront Maharaji anonymously too?
Message:
Hold on, Elaine. You were the one who raised the notion of your writing Maharaji and showing the letter as some sort of litmus test of your independent thinking. Was that just a joke? If not, were you considering doing this anonymously? You've got be kidding!

BTW, if you really do operate at that level of secrecy, I can't even begin to relate.

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 16:07:15 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: No
Message:
GMJ is not an international Forum.

I know you can't relate.
I'm sure you're a much healthier person than I.
I protect myself tremendously. Do you have muliple guns,dogs.I do.
I have my reasons - and you're not me with my background.

Just to say - I haven't locked my doors in a year since I got a big dog that protects me and mine. My guns are dusty - but there.
I like pepper spray around now that it's so available. In my car - at my front reception area, in my private office. I also go to work at diff times and return home by diff routes.
Paranoid, no - actually not at all bec I take these precautions.

Trust this world - no. Too many mentally ill people out there.
I'm not convinced my loving aura will keep them away. Maybe when I'm more advanced. I'm working on it EVERY DAY.

Elaine

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:22:06 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: Culture Of Fear
Message:
Hey Elaine, the world's not as scary as you think.

Check this out

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 21:33:14 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Culture Of Fear
Message:
Thank you Jerry,
Tho I'm not paranoid or full of fear - I am watchful.Had quite a few bad things happen esp. in my youth. My house was robbed only last year - before the dog,while for five years-(pre-big dog)had a peeping -tom on a regular basis. Helocopters all over my house. He seems to prowl around the campus area. Police take him pretty seriously bec they know the chance of him escalating is likely.
A month ago they sat in a van close to my home trying to catch him. Nothing like lying on your bed in the summer with a tee shirt and undies (my cat alerted me) with a man five feet from your screened window in the darkness. Got lights ALL around my house and then the big doggy.

The 'Gift of Fear' was the best book I've read esp. for women. It would have saved a friend's life in Albany if she'd read it going on 2 years now. Ever hear of Jenna's law? They won't be letting violent criminals out of prison so easily in NY now bec of her brutal,violent murder.

I'm just aware of my surroundings and my instincts. No fear-just not niave.

Thank you again,Jerry
Elaine

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 23:09:11 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Culture Of Fear
Message:
Okay, Elaine, you make a point. But just be aware that things are way, WAY, in your favor that no harm will come to you. It helps. I've been a victim of violent crime on several occassions, but I still know that the likelihood of it happenning again is minimal, and probably won't. Rest easy. And, uh, what were you wearing under that tee-shirt? (Smack myself! Ouch!).
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:21:14 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Culture
Message:
Why Jerry,I'd have thought you'd be more interested in the undies. But,I guess you're a boob man.
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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 22:32:01 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Travolta on Rosie
Message:
Just saw John Travolta on the Rosie O'Donnell Show being interviewed about his latest movie 'Battlefield Earth', based on the book by L. Ron Schlubbard.

Rosie asked no questions about L. Ron or Scientology, nor did she allude to the story being written by L. Ron. Travolta acted like the quintessential 'normal' guy, certainly more normal than any of us clowns. He talked about his family, his new baby, his character in the movie, his weight, etc. He smiled and beamed, animated with good humor.

What kind of cult is he in anyway? Can you really be in a cult and act completely normal, giving no clues? At least premies had weird laughs and strange looks in their eyes... something, anything.

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 19:46:47 (GMT)
From: Everyone
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Scientology's O.K
Message:
The fact is Scientology is O.K. When you do Scn. you become more aware and much more yourself..... i wish I could get some more auditing. Unlike Knowledge which often makes one less oneself and sometimes even a basket case.

So this is why when you look at Scientologists like John Travolta and Tom Cruise. They REALLY are O.K. Pat yourself on the back for noticing they are healthy, happy human beings making things go right.... How bad can that be? Give up this cult crusade and get on with your lives.... do some Scientology and improve your situation and that around you.

Of course there is this really wierd science-fiction part of Scientology (What do you expect from an ex-sci-fi writer?)But apart from that, the church and the mean way they get people to stay or come back I can't see anything wrong with it.

This should get a few replies. Or don't humour me and send me to Coventry.

Love,

Everyone

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 23:18:17 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Faint Praise...
Message:
This is hardly a ringing endorsement. You say Scientology is OK, but that they have a 'weird science fiction part' and they agressively try to destroy anyone who criticizes Scientology, especially former members. Those are pretty significant problems. Certainly enough so that any moral person woudln't want to be involved with Scientology.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 21:13:25 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Re:Scientology's O.K
Message:
Dear Everyone,

Why can't you get some more auditing, poor Dear? I fear that you yourself may be proof positive of your assessment of Knowledge producing basket cases and you probably require quite a bit more auditing before you are a 'clear.'

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 22:08:42 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: I knew a premie who later became
Message:
a Rashneesher once.

I also knew a Khrishna who became a premie.

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 00:05:11 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Travolta on Rosie
Message:
Whoever said the people in cults have to act weird, or always talk about their cult? I don't think that is the case even with premies. I think most premies in the West have learned to 'act normal' to carry on with jobs, families, etc., and they don't talk about Maharaji or the cult to hardly anyone. Then, of course, there are the more extreme premies for whom that isn't the case.

My experience with people into Scientology, as with people into EST/Lifespring/NLP and the like is that they all tend to act very normal until you get to know them pretty well, then all kinds of weird things come out. Plus, Scientology is probably the most aggressive cult when it comes to using the legal system and other threats and intimidations to get what it wants, and it doesn't seem to care how it comes across. One need only watch some of the interviews Mike Wallace did with Scientology attorneys. They came across as vicious sharks and they didn't seem to know or care that they were coming across that way.

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 00:24:48 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Travolta on Rosie
Message:
Damn. I'd love to see Travolta talk about Thetans and volcanoes.
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 00:31:00 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Are those really Scientology beliefs???
Message:
What is a Thetan?
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 01:24:32 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Are those really Scientology beliefs???
Message:
In the mid-1980's the Los Angeles Times published an article about the Church of Scientology(COS) filing a lawsuit against them for publishing information from a COS doctrine that was obtained illegally. In the doctrine was a bizarre explanation about how the earth was created. Something about volcanoes and monsters and Thetans (who were the good guys that saved the day). The Thetans were later reincarnated as Scientologists. I think the top Scientologists are classified as Overt Thetans (OT's).

I'm going on vague memory here and I'm sure some of this is wrong but I remember it was very bizarre. Someone on the Forum probably has the facts.

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 19:52:13 (GMT)
From: Everyone
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: The Facts Man
Message:
Power Man,

What incorrect data you are giving (Scn. terminology) An Operating Thetan (O.T.) is someone who has Gone Clear in Scientology through many hours of auditing he or she has cleared the mind of craziness(premie terminology) Now he is free to be At Cause over his Reactive Mind and enjoy being master over it, which is more that can be said for premies and exes.

Everyman

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 01:06:42 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: What naive gobbledygook
Message:
Garbage. Pure, unadulterated garbage.
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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 23:42:00 (GMT)
From: slackandsteel
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Travolta on Rosie
Message:
From what I've heard, the celebrity followers of Scientology haven't had exposure to the hard-core Scientology teachings (ie your body is inhabited by millions of creatures called 'body thetans'). Instead, they are wined and dined and don't really mix with the rank and file.

I read that when Hubbard started the movement he specifically established a 'celebrity center' in Hollywood to woo high-profile names into the cult. This was back in 1955.

For incredibly fascinating read, check out 'The Road to Xenu', which is one person's story through Scientology hell at

http://users.one.se/~chribesk/sects/xenu/xenu.htm

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 19:58:09 (GMT)
From: Everyone
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Travolta on Rosie
Message:
I stayed at the Fort Harrison once which is the head-quarters of Scientology. I did see a few celebs around there and at the Celebrity Centre in L.A. I also saw the R.P.F. in navy t-shirts, these were Scientologists who had 'commited crimes' against Scientology and had to do the yucky jobs like working all hours of the night in the basement laundry. I was horrified by the conditions when I went down there.

Just as well there are no horrific punishments for exes....... OR ARE THERE....? A lifetime commitment/banishment to the forum perhaps!

Everyone

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 22:26:02 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: 'Everyone'
Subject: 'I was horrified'
Message:
'Everyone' wrote:

'I stayed at the Fort Harrison once which is the head-quarters of Scientology. I did see a few celebs around there and at the Celebrity Centre in L.A. I also saw the R.P.F. in navy t-shirts, these were Scientologists who had 'commited crimes' against Scientology and had to do the yucky jobs like working all hours of the night in the basement laundry. I was horrified by the conditions when I went down there.
Just as well there are no horrific punishments for exes....... OR ARE THERE....? A lifetime commitment/banishment to the forum perhaps!'

G responds:

Yet you say that Scientology is 'OK'.

I don't get it. How is this OK?

I would suggest a different name to go by rather than 'Everyone'. How can you distinguish between someone addressing you and addressing everyone?

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Date: Fri, May 12, 2000 at 04:35:28 (GMT)
From: Anyone
Email: None
To: G
Subject: 'I was horrified'
Message:
Waht I am saying is the technology is O.K. and the church has some crazy ideas all coming from the one L.R.H. Nothings perfect.

Some say that knowledge is perfect and M isn't. Same difference.

Anyone

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Date: Tues, May 09, 2000 at 23:22:26 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Maharaji mentioned on E!Roseanne Doc
Message:
According to their story...'roseanne had been living happily in Colorado
until she was scared away by Divine Light zombies coming to town-and so
left etc.'

It's brief but i figured someone might be interested (it's been airing all
month).

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 14:55:02 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: I performed with roseanne...
Message:
Well, not with her, but on the same stage the same night. I was in a comedy improv group (mostly on the piano) called the Comedy Connection, and we sometimes performed at a downtown club the same nights Roseanne did...she was making fat jokes, housewife jokes, fat housewife jokes...

As far as being run out of town by DLM zombies, Roseanne's memory is a little off. Because the days I remember her were in the late seventies, like 1979, after the operation went south to Miami and west to Malibu.

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 15:23:42 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Roseanne's move
Message:
Gregg,

Clarification: Roseanne moved away from the premies in Golden, CO in the early 70's. She moved to Denver where her career later began.

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 03:31:52 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: ps I saw it weeks ago...thought someone else might
Message:
care....
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 14:25:52 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Re:Roseanne bio
Message:
Raina,

I also saw part of the Roseanne bio and was very surprised to see my former guru's picture suddenly flash on screen. Roseanne, her husband and three children were living in Golden, CO and the narrator said that they moved out of town specifically because of the premies. That era was slightly before my time. But the premies must have been very enthusiastic.

I found it interesting in the premie reviews of the latest Miami program that Mr. Rawat said something to the effect: 'Wouldn't it be great if you all had the enthusiasm of the 70's with what you know now.' Well, fat chance!! The Incarnated Lord himself dishing out permanent LSD esperience to WASP hippies may have generated some enthusiasm; but a short, middle-aged, transparent cult leader with a narcisistic personality disorder and a following of bad poets - I hardly think so!

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 15:51:00 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: thanks, Raina and Way, and by the way...
Message:
Golden is just a few miles west of Denver, the last town (now considered a suburb, really) before you get to the mountains.

And it's true about the bad poets...Rawat really oughta consider dusting off the old Krishna crown...the whole thing seems drained of blood now, lifeless and pointless. Not implying that I'd re-enlist if he started being Lord again. It's just that the cult is not as fun to watch as Scientology or that group of people in Arizona who teach people how to be literally immortal...ever heard of them?

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 17:44:40 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: ugh Arizona
Message:
Which group?? Arizona is fast becoming New Age mecca.
Sedona being capital.
Gabriel of Sedona is perhaps the one you mean? He is one scary dude, they had a Dateline about him.
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:46:34 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: 'celluar intercourse'
Message:
The group is CBJ (after Chuck, Bernie and Jim, two guys and a gal who dress is fabulous matching outfits and claim to be immortal.)

They have celluar intercourse with crowds...satsang and darshan, basically. It's just too fucking weird. Makes EV look like the Episcopal church.

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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:52:08 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: gawd! do you know where these characters are?
Message:
eeshh! Say it isn't...... But then, I suppose it's a good
balance to the golf course white hairs. groan. all this and no water and 100 degrees too.
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:51:11 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Scottsdale. see rickross.com for GQ article (nt)
Message:
x
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 21:46:23 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: read it and more!
Message:
Did a general search on arizona over on his site after I read that one (unbelievably weird) article.
Arizona is one strange place. I guess everywhere is these days. Cults are springing up all over. That's an interesting web site Gregg.
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 17:36:52 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: thanks, Raina and Way, and by the way...
Message:
The irony is that Roseanne quite New-Age now and almost obnoxious as a premie.
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:00:32 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Rosanne, not Rosie?
Message:
Pman,
Are you saying Roseanne is NEW AGE!!! That shocks me! She seems like she'd be voted the least likely to become new age! Isn't she to sarcastic to be new age?! Must be she's had a trasformation since I last saw her on tv!
Must be this planet alignment on 5/5 really rearranged her molecules!
I guess she did call herself the queen of denial and you have to have a good dose of that for the new age lifestyle!
Robyn the flabergasted
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 21:18:23 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Rosanne, not Rosie?
Message:
Rosanne is still caustic and sarcastic but she became more and more New Age on her talk show before it was taken off the air in my area. She referred to New Age ideas regularly (i.e. 'only focus on the positive', we 'manifest' what happens to us, the universe provides, extra-terrestrial existence, etc.) Wal-Mart people who become rich are destined to be New-Age.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:25:32 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Rosanne, not Rosie?
Message:
Pman,
'Wal-Mart people who become rich are destined to be New-Age.'
I think that is pee-stain store people who become rich..., eh? :)
Robyn
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 07:08:17 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Rosanne, not Rosie?
Message:
Well, the pee-stainers never get rich so they don't have to worry about becoming New-Age.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 04:31:00 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: NOT TRUE
Message:
a generalization.

I was a slum kid. we were lucky to get a trip to the fucking K mart. and I am far from new age. Never was, (uh except for that awful detour to M land but WE ALL made that trip or we wouldn't be here right?)

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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 07:06:52 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: NOT TRUE
Message:
You don't fit the requirements of a Wal-Mart person, Selene. Wal-Mart people are just Bardahl people shopping for underwear.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 15:57:35 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: I got carried away
Message:
But I do *so* wear underwear.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 04:57:23 (GMT)
From: selene
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: 'xcuse shouting! not meant that way
Message:
the proletariat in me..(can't spell it?)
on a mission today :)
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 18:54:13 (GMT)
From: Ajax
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Rosanne, not Rosie?
Message:
The last I heard of Roseanne is that she too is on the celebrity band-wagon du jour, namely the Qabbalah (there's a variety of spellings). There was an article in a local paper about the Rabbi Philip Berg, who's the 'guru' of the Qabbalah crowd. The article was in New Times called 'Judaism Lite.' Basically, the same old same old.
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 19:06:50 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Ajax
Subject: Rosanne, not Rosie?
Message:
Is everything spiritual going to the 'lite' genere? Is that like new age Judiasm!?
I've heard even middle of the road churches are becoming more accepting just because their numbers have become so depleted.
Maybe one of my theories is correct, that god and the devil are things we made up to explain universal feelings we all have. Like making up gods to explain weather, crops, eclipses. Science proved the rest but how to prove what feelings we all have are just feelings or god? Tough one.
Still it seems that if you are going to do it then do it and not cheat with the 'lite' plan.
So about Rosanne, she is a 'lite' Jew, are these lite religions bordering on new age? Glad I don't have a clue!
Robyn
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:57:19 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Rosanne, not Rosie?
Message:
The irony is that the Kabbala was intended for those who were living out the 'meat' of the Jewish religion--ie the 10 commandments, etc. In Judaism you're not supposed to jump into the super mystical stuff right away but get the basics first.So it cracks me up that people like Madonna are so into it (the Kabbala). Everyonw wants instant bliss.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 00:27:59 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Rosanne, not Rosie?
Message:
Dear Helen,
Hi sweetie.
So is the Kabbala the Jewish equivalent of becoming a realized soul?
Love,
me
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 21:14:46 (GMT)
From: Ajax
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: The Instant Coffee Kids
Message:
Instant bliss--bingo on that one. Madonna actually commemorated her new album 'Ray of Light' to the Qabbalah Center/Berg. Blinded by the light is more apropros.
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Date: Thurs, May 11, 2000 at 20:45:16 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Ajax
Subject: The Instant Coffee Kids
Message:
The Kabbalah is so super esoteric. I have two books on it and barely understand it. I think I am still at the beginner stage where I am trying to follow the 10 commandments. ;)
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 19:38:24 (GMT)
From: Ajax
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Rosanne, not Rosie?
Message:
I don't know if she's a 'lite' Jew, but the article was about the Qabbalah center being tres New Agey (Madonna the Trendoid is into it, among other, so it's gotta be New Agey). The Orthodox/Reform/Regular Rabbis who were interviewed for the article think Rabbi Philp Berg is a rip-off artist (he claims a certuries-old lineage which he stole from a Rabbi in Israel), and a charlatan. He charges three times the costs for books which you could buy down the street for a normal price. He tells people they can be healed by running their fingers over the text of the Zohar, even if they can't read it (it's not in English), and when people are not healed forthwith, he tells them they obviously weren't concentrating properly while they were running their fingers over the text. Like I said, same old same old. It's hard to believe people go for this stuff, but then again, I can understand it. If the sponge is dry enough, I suppopse, even toxic water looks good.
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 19:43:25 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Ajax
Subject: Rosanne, not Rosie?
Message:
Thanks Ajax, interesting, sad but interesting. Sure seems an unlikely partnership, Judism and New Age thinking. Unless I am mistaken guilt would be alein to New Age thinking and isn't that a cornerstone in Judism, like it was in my Italian/Catholic upbringing! Funny! Maybe new agers put guilt on anyone who isn't positive enough. :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, May 10, 2000 at 20:59:00 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Rosanne, not Rosie?
Message:
That's it--they want all of the goodies without the guilt stuff which we all know is the cornerstone of Judaism--ha ha
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