Forum V: Archive
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Loaf -:- SATPAL JI MAHARAJ WANTS TO HEAR FROM US -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 12:25:05 (GMT)
__ anonymous poster -:- a question for Satpal -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 18:20:38 (GMT)
__ lotus eater -:- SATPAL JI MAHARAJ WANTS TO HEAR FROM US -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 23:14:20 (GMT)
__ __ JW -:- Continuing.... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 23:50:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ Susan -:- Continuing....LOL -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 01:19:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Funny and apt, BUT... -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 14:52:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- ooops -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 15:03:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Correction -:- Fri, May 19, 2000 at 15:08:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- sssh...Elaine -:- Fri, May 19, 2000 at 16:14:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- sssh...Elaine -:- Fri, May 19, 2000 at 22:09:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Y'know, that is so true... -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 15:19:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- yes, I do agree and I have a big trust fund coming -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 18:10:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Bill Gates -:- I too, think Sat Pal is great -:- Fri, May 19, 2000 at 14:30:09 (GMT)
__ 2INCHROACH -:- SATPAL JI MAHARAJ WANTS US? -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 20:02:06 (GMT)
__ Sir David -:- SATPAL JI MAHARAJ WANTS TO HEAR FROM US -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 18:56:42 (GMT)
__ gErRy -:- SATPAL JI MAHARAJ, We Love You !!! -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 16:04:55 (GMT)
__ Curious -:- What's a brayner? (nt) -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 14:10:52 (GMT)
__ __ slackandsteel -:- What's a brayner? (nt) -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 23:47:12 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- SATPAL JI MAHARAJ WANTS TO HEAR FROM US -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 13:56:03 (GMT)
__ __ Happy -:- Prof. Tandon -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 10:52:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ JW -:- Is he the guy translating for Mata Ji in LOTU? nt -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 20:21:22 (GMT)
__ __ Susan -:- yeah me TOO! -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 14:09:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- I've got the same question -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 14:37:19 (GMT)

Angry -:- Coercive Persuasion -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 10:55:27 (GMT)
__ Angry -:- It was there...now try this(take#2) -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 16:25:46 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- That's the last time I'll be going to church (nt) -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 17:49:12 (GMT)
__ JHB -:- Forum Problem? - To Brain -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 15:40:44 (GMT)
__ __ ET -:- Yeah, me too (nt) -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 16:06:42 (GMT)

Jethro -:- Hassan does an event. -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 06:46:58 (GMT)
__ Fine -:- Hassan ? -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 07:46:35 (GMT)
__ zelda -:- 'dropping out' vs joining cult -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 11:24:00 (GMT)
__ SaomTyeDye -:- Hassan does an event.Sorrie charlie -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 08:52:13 (GMT)

Sir David -:- Here's the REAL maharaji.org -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:24:37 (GMT)
__ Elaine -:- Here's the REAL maharaji.org -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 02:29:26 (GMT)
__ JW -:- Well Done, David, as usual and very funny. (nt) -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 00:42:38 (GMT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- When are you going to have a real flush? -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 07:13:51 (GMT)
__ Helen -:- Here's the REAL maharaji.org -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 03:49:46 (GMT)
__ __ DeProGram Anand Ji -:- Here's the REAL maharaji.org -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 04:59:03 (GMT)

VP -:- Who would you shag--to Nigel-ot -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:27:27 (GMT)
__ Oliver -:- Who would you shag? -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:47:46 (GMT)
__ __ JW -:- That's Rose, not Violet -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 00:39:45 (GMT)
__ __ VP -:- I goofed, Oliver -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:15:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- Guess it would have to be Hyacinth... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 18:52:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ Oliver -:- I goofed, Oliver -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 04:18:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ Plead the 5th -:- I goofed, Oliver -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 04:08:11 (GMT)

Susan -:- Holy Family...am I the only one -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 23:13:34 (GMT)
__ G -:- Yes, and -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 16:09:47 (GMT)
__ JW -:- How about 'Prem Pal and the Pips' (nt) -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:41:13 (GMT)

JW -:- Kauai (OT) -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 22:50:36 (GMT)
__ Powerman -:- Kauai (OT) -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 23:46:30 (GMT)
__ __ JW -:- Hope Jagdeo wasn't around any little girls...... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:13:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ Powerman -:- Hope Jagdeo wasn't around any little girls...... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:56:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jethro -:- Hope Jagdeo wasn't around any little girls...... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:47:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Powerman -:- Hope Jagdeo wasn't around any little girls...... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 15:15:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ JW -:- Hey, I just firgured out who you are...... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 17:17:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Powerman -:- Hey, I just firgured out who you are...... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 20:16:37 (GMT)
__ Monmot -:- Kauai (OT) -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 23:20:56 (GMT)
__ __ JW -:- Kauai (OT) -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:04:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ Monmot -:- Kauai (OT) -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:16:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Susan -:- when will you two ever learn to Enjoy Life -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 13:50:34 (GMT)
__ __ Susan -:- Kauai (OT) -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 23:27:40 (GMT)

Mili -:- Are you people stoopid, or what? -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 20:33:21 (GMT)
__ Brian -:- Excellent idea, Mili!! -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:22:10 (GMT)
__ __ Sir David -:- Excellent idea, Mili!! -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:32:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ spyder -:- ILOVEYOU, Mili! Love Letter is on it's way to you! -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 06:36:33 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- Stop fretting about our well-being... -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 21:14:34 (GMT)
__ __ Jethro -:- Stop fretting about our well-being... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:57:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ Leitentant Zelda -:- Count us in -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 11:40:04 (GMT)
__ __ B -:- About Copyrights -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:01:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ Susan -:- B...Um...any normal person -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 15:36:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Lies, Copyrights and Paedophiles. -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 14:18:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ B -:- Speculations, Copyrights and Paedophiles. -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 20:08:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Speculations, Copyrights and Paedophiles. -:- Fri, May 19, 2000 at 09:10:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ B -:- Speculations, Copyrights and Paedophiles. -:- Fri, May 19, 2000 at 22:37:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- pedophiles -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 20:51:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- A donkey named Hoti -:- Fri, May 19, 2000 at 16:14:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- and another thing -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 20:58:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- and yet another -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 21:11:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- link did not work here it is -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 21:13:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ B -:- link did not work here it is -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 22:39:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ Scott T. -:- Abbey Normal -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 13:14:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ DeproGram Anand Ji -:- About Copyrights -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:10:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- I don't like being threatened, Bjorn... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:52:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Sister Helen -:- I don't like being threatened, Bjorn... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 19:31:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ B -:- I never threatened you , Katie... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:43:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Maybe not overtly -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 15:19:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ B -:- Maybe try to understand? -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 19:32:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Haven't you got the message yet? -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 20:17:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ B -:- I think I got the message? -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 20:55:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Ah, such divine irony! -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 14:45:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Hey Bjorn! Wanna try an experiment? -:- Fri, May 19, 2000 at 14:28:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ JW -:- About Copyrights -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:08:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ B -:- About Copyrights -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:38:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ SB -:- YES, there is criminal activity.... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:18:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ B -:- Is there is criminal activity.... -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 07:21:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- There's wrong and there's illegal... -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 23:26:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ B -:- Wrong vs illegal... -:- Fri, May 19, 2000 at 14:16:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Angry -:- Juries and 'Knowledge People'(love the term!) -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 13:58:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ JW -:- You don't know what you are talking about -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:35:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ VP -:- B, you have got it wrong -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:06:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ B -:- I might be wrong, VP -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 10:20:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Scott T. -:- I might be wrong, VP -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 13:24:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ VP -:- I have got it wrong -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:56:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Oh...well, then I'm not impressed anymore.(nt) -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 03:01:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ VP -:- I agree, JW -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:53:45 (GMT)
__ JW -:- US Copyright laws are MUCH more Lenient...... -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 21:02:17 (GMT)
__ __ blood -:- Cult copyright case now in courts...similarities! -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 22:53:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- Thanks for posting this! -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 10:17:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ Scott T. -:- Not that similar! -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 02:48:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ B -:- Not that similar! -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 08:22:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Scott T. -:- Not that similar! -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 15:54:33 (GMT)

Robyn -:- TA -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 19:45:59 (GMT)
__ VP -:- TA -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:59:44 (GMT)

Guess Who -:- said this... -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 18:33:21 (GMT)
__ DeProGram Anand Ji -:- said this... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:22:02 (GMT)
__ lotus eater -:- said this... -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 22:03:01 (GMT)

ET -:- Good New Look but Bad Link -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 16:17:05 (GMT)
__ cq -:- Re that FAQ page - mention of M's stepmother -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 17:50:34 (GMT)
__ __ Jethro -:- Re that FAQ page - mention of M's stepmother -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 20:09:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- Thanx Jethro, any children from 1st marriage? (nt) -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 14:37:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jethro -:- Yes cq, see this message -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 16:36:09 (GMT)
__ Brian -:- Thanks - I fixed it (nt) -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 17:37:21 (GMT)

DeProGram Anand Ji -:- Elan Vital Programs Where and When ? -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 05:05:42 (GMT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Elan Vital Programs: mailing lists -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 07:39:47 (GMT)

Mrs. goodheart/badmind -:- cd's for sale at programs -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 03:17:41 (GMT)

la-ex -:- Michael Moore -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 03:07:12 (GMT)
__ SB -:- Michael Moore -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:20:50 (GMT)
__ SB -:- Michael Moore -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 11:42:50 (GMT)
__ Monmot -:- Michael Moore -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 05:35:55 (GMT)
__ __ JW -:- Michael Moore -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 20:59:07 (GMT)
__ JW -:- I Thought About This -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 04:42:46 (GMT)
__ __ la-ex -:- I Thought About This -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 04:37:11 (GMT)
__ __ Jerry -:- I Thought About This -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 20:37:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ Little Yiddish Grandma -:- Tom Green--that meshugenah! -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:28:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Poor Tom -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:35:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ LYG -:- Poor Tom -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 03:18:28 (GMT)
__ __ SB -:- I Thought About This -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 16:42:05 (GMT)
__ __ Runamok -:- he is a good prospect -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 05:21:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ Way -:- he is a good prospect -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 15:03:53 (GMT)

VP -:- Unconvinced as ever -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 02:55:34 (GMT)
__ Jerry -:- Sounds like bullshit, doesn't it? -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 20:00:12 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- re. Gingko... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 19:19:22 (GMT)
__ __ VP -:- Sounds like bullshit, doesn't it? -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:01:00 (GMT)
__ Deputy Dog -:- VP, you sound like a troubled loner (nt) -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 03:08:46 (GMT)
__ __ Q -:- Maybe DD is a troubled loner... -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 15:45:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- You don't know how right you are! -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 15:47:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Q -:- anyway... -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 16:35:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Thanks, Jim, -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 17:24:46 (GMT)
__ __ Katie -:- I hope you're being sarcastic, DD...(nt) -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 13:15:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- Excellent Katie! Go to the head of the class (nt) -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:22:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- There needs to be an emoticon for sarcasm... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 15:02:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Helen -:- Excellent Katie! Go to the head of the class (nt) -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 03:44:46 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- DD, you no-text no hoper... -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 12:21:16 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- Question for you Dog. -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 08:05:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- Answer for you Anth. -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 03:18:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Way -:- To DD:Wrong answer -:- Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 16:02:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- To DD:Wrong answer -:- Fri, May 19, 2000 at 13:38:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ B -:- Question for you Anth -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 23:12:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- The Answer -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 08:56:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ B -:- The Answer -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 11:41:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- You can do better than that B. -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 14:01:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ B -:- Can you do better Anth? -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 18:51:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- You're wriggling B -:- Fri, May 19, 2000 at 09:14:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Oliver -:- What about, Ex-Premies are no longer donkeys...... -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 10:09:30 (GMT)
__ __ VP -:- Deputy Dog , you sound like -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 03:18:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ Helen -:- Deputy Dog , you sound like -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 03:38:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ eb -:- I've always had a major crush on VP NT -:- Tues, May 16, 2000 at 05:26:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- stand in line, VP rules ;) (nt) -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:24:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ VP -:- Women of the moonlodge rule, no doubt :) -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:44:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Women of the moonlodge rule, no doubt :) -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:54:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- VP's MINE! -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:55:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ VP -:- What will Brian say?snicker -:- Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:06:16 (GMT)


Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 12:25:05 (GMT)
From: Loaf
Email: loafji@yahoo.com
To: Everyone
Subject: SATPAL JI MAHARAJ WANTS TO HEAR FROM US
Message:
I have had some email correspondence with M's brother. Latest message is below.

Suggestions please, below or even better by email, as to what you think I should tell him (He is aware of this site).

Text message received today:Date : 17th May, 2K

Dear Mr. Loaf,

Receive your Emil long back. Satpal Maharaj has gone through it and has asked me to reply. Your Email tells that you have already received the technich of knowledge from Santji Maharaj. You have heard his speach. Not only you but many of his other followers also are getting dis-illusioned with his life style and his double personality. Idon`t want to criticize any one but you know better the inside story about him and I would like it rather that you should write us more about his immoral and high profiled life style details. We left him long back in 1974 when he adopted the wordly ways and had no purity of life.Mr. Loaf the first principle of spituality is purity of mind purity of action.If there is no synchronism between your thought, words & deeds then you are not a spuaralist but a hypocrate and pretendor. Now it is for you to see. Vivekanand once said that we don’t expect morality and purity from a teacher of mathmetics but we definately expect it from a spitritual master. If he himself is not living spirituality and has no control over his no senses he has no right to teach spirituality. If he teacghes he is befooling people. In the real sense a spritual master and disciple relationship is the most lasting and pure relationship. When master accepts a seeker as a disciple takes the responsibility to take him to the ultimately reality and it is disiciple who voluntry surrender to the master and putting full faith in him as a child puts in his mother.The master helps disciple in all situations of life, internaly as well externally. One of the Indian saint Kabir said,’Even if the disciple lives seven ocean away from the master out through telepathy helps him and he also remember by the disciple with devotion and love.Mr. Loaf the master is a dynamic energy. He is the word made flesh. He is brayner to you. Infact he is your very spirit. Remember him and he is their to help you mysterios are the ways of the master. Please keep writing to us we will send you more satsang. You can become member of monthly magazines.

Maharaji’s Blessings.

C.L. Tondon
PA to Satpal Maharaj

Hows about that then Guys and Gals !!!

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 18:20:38 (GMT)
From: anonymous poster
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: a question for Satpal
Message:
Dear Loaf,

Would you mind asking this man if he knows anything about Jagdeo? Where he is. If he still has access to children. Did anyone know him to be a pedophile that they know of? What is his given name?

Anonymous

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 23:14:20 (GMT)
From: lotus eater
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: SATPAL JI MAHARAJ WANTS TO HEAR FROM US
Message:
Here's my suggestion:
Dear Lord, my heartfelt protestations at your lotus feet. Yes you are right, I did fall prey to the attractive persona of your younger brother, and now I realise the error of my ways. It is great indeed to find that the ocean of compassion has reached out and touched me, when all hope was lost, offering the true possibility of salvation in this lifetime. I need your help, dear Lord, to understand. Please enlighten me as to how this terrible thing came to pass, that your more goodlooking, fun loving, naughty younger brother should have been crowned King in your place.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 23:50:08 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: lotus eater
Subject: Continuing....
Message:
Lotus, great letter, maybe we can continue:

And now I have that understanding that when you said that aliens were going to attend the Millennium Festival and the Astrodome was going to levitate, you were just speaking metaphorically, or else it really did happen, I was just too lacking in consciousness to see it. Likewise when you said that the Pope was going to receive knowledge and that NASA was tracking the energy field of Maharaji. Oh, my Perfect Master, I am filled with the impurities of the world, please save me.

By the way, I heard Prem Pal said you were fatter than he is, look stupid, have an ugly wife and homely kids, and are a stupid sucker for propogating only to East Indians who have very little money. What do you have to say to that?

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 01:19:51 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Continuing....LOL
Message:
Yeah, that NASA thing was SO wacko that I thought,

huh, maybe these people go home and snicker, ha ha ha, do you know what I told the premies TODAY!

' I said NASA was tracking lil bros energy field, and they BOUGHT IT! Mata Ji, thank me when that next Mercedes rolls into the driveway'

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 14:52:05 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Susan
Subject: Funny and apt, BUT...
Message:
Mightn't it be worthwhile not turning any fire on Big Bro for the moment..? Just in case he might be a source of useful information. Loaf's correspondent (assuming it wasn't a hoax) might well be reading this.

Just a thought.

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 15:03:52 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: ooops
Message:
Sat Pal was the best looking, most talented, and best of the bros. Everyone always knew he was the real perfect master.
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Date: Fri, May 19, 2000 at 15:08:57 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Correction
Message:
Susan,
No Way! All that meditation has made you forget that Raja ji was the hunkiest. Remember now?
Elaine
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Date: Fri, May 19, 2000 at 16:14:12 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: sssh...Elaine
Message:
Fer sure Raja Ji was the only one who was the slightest bit attractive.

But, Sat Pal's minions and Sat Pal himself are reading this. So just kidding. And, Sat Pal knows I am going to fly over on my private jet and sign over my trust fund to him because he is the real lord of the universe. But only after he gives us the scoop on his little brother.

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Date: Fri, May 19, 2000 at 22:09:17 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: sssh...Elaine
Message:
Got it. But do you honestly think he knows anything? (About his little brother?)
I got the impression Prof Tandon was a gossip monger and wanted info himself? I liked him immediately.
Elaine
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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 15:19:13 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Susan
Subject: Y'know, that is so true...
Message:
If Satpal were only running things over here, I think I might be still involved, since he is all about TRUE spirituality (same as me!). I'm sure the guy must have been badly misquoted thousands of times for it to appear he ever said anything so stupid as the stuff that is being repeated here, don't ya think?
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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 18:10:17 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: yes, I do agree and I have a big trust fund coming
Message:
due very soon.

Just the other day, I was late on the way to the airport but luckily I had indulged myself in a minor way and chartered a jet for a little weekend shopping trip in Milan. And it was then I heard that my grandmother was not doing well. Grandpa was on the board of Standard Oil and Grandma has invested so well.

Well, anyway, I was talking to a friend about how Sat Pal really was THE ONE you know. And how those quotes in that video were surely either spliced in or more likely that NASA was really tracking Sat Pal. My friend agreed, she and I travel often buying things you just cannot find in the states.

Anyhow, Nigel, you are right, Sat Pal is, was and always will be my choice for the real perfect master.

;)

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Date: Fri, May 19, 2000 at 14:30:09 (GMT)
From: Bill Gates
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: I too, think Sat Pal is great
Message:
I almost joined DLM in the 70's, but when I realized that Prem was the leader not Sat Pal, I decided I just could not follow a worldly playboy.

And now, all these years later, Sat Pal is so graciously aloowing me the opportunity t follow him. His mercy is boundless. I am signing up for that newsletter right away.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 20:02:06 (GMT)
From: 2INCHROACH
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: SATPAL JI MAHARAJ WANTS US?
Message:
GADZOOKS BROTHERS & SISTERS
IT SOUNDS LIKE OUT OF THE FRYING PAN
AND INTO THE FIRE
SATPAL CAN'T BE SERIOUS IF HE WANTS 'US'
OR ELSE A LUNATIC
HE MORE LIKELY WANTS OUR MONEY AND OUR WISDOM
MAYBE HE THINKS WE ARE CONNECTED TO THE FORCE
HEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEE IF HE ONLY KNEW THE
TRUE DARK SIDE AS WE DO
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 18:56:42 (GMT)
From: Sir David
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: SATPAL JI MAHARAJ WANTS TO HEAR FROM US
Message:
So Satpal really is the word made flesh. So he is Jesus Christ after all. Hang on a mo - he's gonna have to wait at the back of the queue and take his turn with all the other incarnations of God or word made fleshes.

See Incarnations of God for all the major contenders.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 16:04:55 (GMT)
From: gErRy
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: SATPAL JI MAHARAJ, We Love You !!!
Message:
and I would like it rather that you should write us more about his immoral and high profiled life style details.

Please, please give us more dirt on the sleazeball !!!

We left him long back in 1974 when he adopted the wordly ways and had no purity of life

Ho ho ho and a bottle of rum !!!

When master accepts a seeker as a disciple takes the responsibility to take him to the ultimately reality and it is disiciple who voluntry surrender to the master and putting full faith in him as a child puts in his mother.The master helps disciple in all situations of life, internaly as well externally.

Now that's a real master. Gonna take you to that 'ultimate reality,' baby. No fucking 'have a nice day' enjoylife luke warm barfy new age quiddle that Prem Pal projectile vomits. Or rather, dribbles all down the front of that nice Italian suit...

Mr. Loaf, the master is a dynamic energy. He is the word made flesh. He is brayner to you. Infact he is your very spirit. Remember him and he is their to help you mysterios are the ways of the master.

Well, yes, Mr Loaf. Didn't you know? Word made flesh and all that? And certainly he's brayner to me, also. But wait, do I sense a pitch for donations coming???

Please keep writing to us we will send you more satsang. You can become member of monthly magazines.

We're in luck! The 'Ultimate Reality' package is on sale this week for a limited time only. For a mere $19.95 (USD) (per month, Visa or Mastercard accepted) you can receive the monthly Ultimate Reality magazine, AND your very own spitritual lucky UR ring. SatPal kisses each ring and endows each one with the full and mysterious power of the master who works in these mysterious ways...

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 14:10:52 (GMT)
From: Curious
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: What's a brayner? (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 23:47:12 (GMT)
From: slackandsteel
Email: None
To: Curious
Subject: What's a brayner? (nt)
Message:
A brayner is the opposite of a 'no-brayner' :-)
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 13:56:03 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: SATPAL JI MAHARAJ WANTS TO HEAR FROM US
Message:
Hi Loaf,

I think your email is from Professor Tandon, who used to be chief honcho in DLM India a few years back.

Anyway, one thing I'd like to know is, what exactly happened in the days between Shri Hans dying and Prempal being crowned- and how come they ended up crowning the 'wrong one'.

Anth the Historian

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 10:52:19 (GMT)
From: Happy
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Prof. Tandon
Message:
I also thought it might be prof. Tandon - but wouldn't he be dead already? He was old already in 1974.

Loaf, good work. If you write more, I would like to know more details about the legal fight between the brothers.

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 20:21:22 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Happy
Subject: Is he the guy translating for Mata Ji in LOTU? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 14:09:56 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: yeah me TOO!
Message:
and, I would ask Sat Pal to watch the Lord of the Universe too. Because, in it, he says he is nothing, and lil' bro Michael, oops Sant Ji, is LOTU.

How does he explain his confusion? How did the PM virus jump from Sant Ji to Sat Pal exactly?

But I am still not over that Bhole Ji. He was one awkward looking guy.

And, Mata Ji, seemed to be saying that a side effect of recieving knowledge is wanting to send her cars, nice cars.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 14:37:19 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: I've got the same question
Message:
And in fact, I knew people who were attracted to Maharaji BECAUSE of Sat Pal - they related to his satsang more easily or whatever.

BTW, Loaf, good on you for doing this! The letter you received was fascinating.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 10:55:27 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Coercive Persuasion
Message:
THE PURPOSES AND TACTICS OF COERCIVE PERSUASION

Coercive persuasion or thought reform as it is sometimes known, is best understood as a coordinated system of graduated coercive influence and behavior control designed to deceptively and surreptitiously manipulate and influence individuals, usually in a group setting, in order for the originators of the program to profit in some way, normally financially or politically. The essential strategy used by those operating such programs is to systematically select, sequence and coordinate numerous coercive persuasion tactics over CONTINUOUS PERIODS OF TIME. There are seven main tactic types found in various combinations in a coercive persuasion program. A coercive persuasion program can still be quite effective without the presence of ALL seven of these tactic types.

TACTIC 1. The individual is prepared for thought reform through increased suggestibility and/or 'softening up,' specifically through hypnotic or other suggestibility-increasing techniques such as: A. Extended audio, visual, verbal, or tactile fixation drills; B. Excessive exact repetition of routine activities; C. Decreased sleep; D. Nutritional restriction.

TACTIC 2. Using rewards and punishments, efforts are made to establish considerable control over a person's social environment, time, and sources of social support. Social isolation is promoted. Contact with family and friends is abridged, as is contact with persons who do not share group-approved attitudes. Economic and other dependence on the group is fostered. (In the forerunner to coercive persuasion, brainwashing, this was rather easy to achieve through simple imprisonment.)

TACTIC 3. Disconfirming information and nonsupporting opinions are prohibited in group communication. Rules exist about permissible topics to discuss with outsiders. Communication is highly controlled. An 'in-group' language is usually constructed.

TACTIC 4. Frequent and intense attempts are made to cause a person to re-evaluate the most central aspects of his or her experience of self and prior conduct in negative ways. Efforts are designed to destabilize and undermine the subject's basic consciousness, reality awareness, world view, emotional control, and defense mechanisms as well as getting them to reinterpret their life's history, and adopt a new version of causality.

TACTIC 5. Intense and frequent attempts are made to undermine a person's confidence in himself and his judgment, creating a sense of powerlessness.

TACTIC 6. Nonphysical punishments are used such as intense humiliation, loss of privilege, social isolation, social status changes, intense guilt, anxiety, manipulation and other techniques for creating strong aversive emotional arousals, etc.

TACTIC 7. Certain secular psychological threats [force] are used or are present: That failure to adopt the approved attitude, belief, or consequent behavior will lead to severe punishment or dire consequence, (e.g. physical or mental illness, the reappearance of a prior physical illness, drug dependence, economic collapse, social failure, divorce, disintegration, failure to find a mate, etc.).
Another set of criteria has to do with defining other common elements of mind control systems. If most of Robert Jay Lifton's eight point model of thought reform is being used in a cultic organization, it is most likely a dangerous and destructive cult. These eight points follow:

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 16:25:46 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: All
Subject: It was there...now try this(take#2)
Message:
THE PURPOSES AND TACTICS OF COERCIVE PERSUASION

Coercive persuasion or thought reform as it is sometimes known, is best understood as a coordinated system of graduated coercive influence and behavior control designed to deceptively and surreptitiously manipulate and influence individuals, usually in a group setting, in order for the originators of the program to profit in some way, normally financially or politically. The essential strategy used by those operating such programs is to systematically select, sequence and coordinate numerous coercive persuasion tactics over CONTINUOUS PERIODS OF TIME. There are seven main tactic types found in various combinations in a coercive persuasion program. A coercive persuasion program can still be quite effective without the presence of ALL seven of these tactic types.

TACTIC 1. The individual is prepared for thought reform through increased suggestibility and/or 'softening up,' specifically through hypnotic or other suggestibility-increasing techniques such as: A. Extended audio, visual, verbal, or tactile fixation drills; B. Excessive exact repetition of routine activities; C. Decreased sleep; D. Nutritional restriction.

TACTIC 2. Using rewards and punishments, efforts are made to establish considerable control over a person's social environment, time, and sources of social support. Social isolation is promoted. Contact with family and friends is abridged, as is contact with persons who do not share group-approved attitudes. Economic and other dependence on the group is fostered. (In the forerunner to coercive persuasion, brainwashing, this was rather easy to achieve through simple imprisonment.)

TACTIC 3. Disconfirming information and nonsupporting opinions are prohibited in group communication. Rules exist about permissible topics to discuss with outsiders. Communication is highly controlled. An 'in-group' language is usually constructed.

TACTIC 4. Frequent and intense attempts are made to cause a person to re-evaluate the most central aspects of his or her experience of self and prior conduct in negative ways. Efforts are designed to destabilize and undermine the subject's basic consciousness, reality awareness, world view, emotional control, and defense mechanisms as well as getting them to reinterpret their life's history, and adopt a new version of causality.

TACTIC 5. Intense and frequent attempts are made to undermine a person's confidence in himself and his judgment, creating a sense of powerlessness.

TACTIC 6. Nonphysical punishments are used such as intense humiliation, loss of privilege, social isolation, social status changes, intense guilt, anxiety, manipulation and other techniques for creating strong aversive emotional arousals, etc.

TACTIC 7. Certain secular psychological threats [force] are used or are present: That failure to adopt the approved attitude, belief, or consequent behavior will lead to severe punishment or dire consequence, (e.g. physical or mental illness, the reappearance of a prior physical illness, drug dependence, economic collapse, social failure, divorce, disintegration, failure to find a mate, etc.).

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 17:49:12 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: That's the last time I'll be going to church (nt)
Message:
That's the last time I'll be going to church (nt)
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 15:40:44 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Brain
Subject: Forum Problem? - To Brain
Message:
Brain,

I got this error message when trying to read Angry's post:-

JavaScript Error: http://www.ex-premie.org/forum5/main.cgi, line 26:

syntax error.

document.write(top.DateString(, , , , , ));
..............................^

...and all the fields in the message displayed were blank. This was using the frames version on Win 95, Netscape 4.0.

John.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 16:06:42 (GMT)
From: ET
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Yeah, me too (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 06:46:58 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Hassan does an event.
Message:
Here is acopy of a post from the ex-satsangi forum.


For those of you in the LA area here's a no miss event. This is copied from 'The Skeptic E-Magazine' http://www.skeptic.com This Ezine is pretty great. It publishes once a week, is free and has loads of interesting and sometimes funny articles. This one ain't funny.

HOW TO GET OUT OF A CULT
This Sunday, May 21 at 2:00pm at Caltech's Baxter Lecture Hall, Steven Hassan
of the Freedom of Mind Resource Center and author of the new book RELEASING
THE BONDS: Combatting Cult Mind Control and Empowering People to Think for
Themselves, will speak about his personal experiences both as a member of a
cult (the Moonies) and now as a cult exit counselor. He is, as I discovered,
even the subject of a chapter in a book written by a social psychologist
about how someone can go from being a young, bright, middle-class college
student to giving everything up in the course of just a couple of weeks. How
can a group get someone to do this? What techniques of persuasion and
influence do they apply?

This is part of the Skeptics Caltech lecture series. Donation at the door:
$5.00 members, $8.00 nonmembers; free to the Caltech/JPL community.
Directions: Off the 210 freeway, south on Lake Blvd, left on Del Mar, right
on Michigan. Park in faculty parking lot. Baxter is on the south side of the
parking lot.

Hear the man speak for cheap in sunny Pasadena.

Jules

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 07:46:35 (GMT)
From: Fine
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Hassan ?
Message:
Does anyone know the e-mail address to Stephen Hassan?
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 11:24:00 (GMT)
From: zelda
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: 'dropping out' vs joining cult
Message:
'Young bright middle class college student'
I dont know about this. It seems to imply that the young bright middle class colege student that had a change of direction is evidence that something went wrong.

From what I see- lots of young bright middle class college students are caught up in the machine and desparately need to do a complete change.

I dont like the fact that 'a change' equals a catastrophe equal to joining the cult.

Especially if it took place in the 70s - if we hadnt 'dropped out' in order to change where would the world be now?

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 08:52:13 (GMT)
From: SaomTyeDye
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Hassan does an event.Sorrie charlie
Message:
ah yesssss
I flash back 2 Amherst
the electrical storm...
the lovers
the ugly duckling turning into a Swan
the beauty of the one who has felt the magic?
ooooh bewitheth.for where doth art thou?
oh ex..ooooh x-...
for with I know Y thou arth o so sad?
for with I look....
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:24:37 (GMT)
From: Sir David
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Everyone
Subject: Here's the REAL maharaji.org
Message:
Now I might just be breaching copyright here so I may have to be sued by Maharaji & Co but anyway, I've tidied up Maharaji's web site for him, got rid of all the crap and re-written it as it should be. I'm sure he'll learn to appreciate this alternative maharaji.org. So...

Click here for the real maharaji.org web site

I'm sure you'll appreciate it is an improvement and I now wait for my phone to ring with perhaps, Maharaji offering me a new job as his webmaster?

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 02:29:26 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Sir David
Subject: Here's the REAL maharaji.org
Message:
Taht was VERY funny. Two thumbs up.
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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 00:42:38 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Sir David
Subject: Well Done, David, as usual and very funny. (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 07:13:51 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Sir David
Subject: When are you going to have a real flush?
Message:
Maybe also with a lid on the toilet seat, to hide all the disgusting stuff....
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 03:49:46 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Sir David
Subject: Here's the REAL maharaji.org
Message:
Wonderful as always Sir D. I particularly like that little knight guy slaying the dragons of lies and deception on the ex-premie page!! Horray!
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 04:59:03 (GMT)
From: DeProGram Anand Ji
Email: not given
To: Helen
Subject: Here's the REAL maharaji.org
Message:
Maharaj Ji's toilet bowl, a forshadowing of where years of your life will be going if you follow him, not to mention hard earned money. Very thoughtful.....DON'T FLUSH!
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:27:27 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Who would you shag--to Nigel-ot
Message:
A quarter is an inch in diameter. (I believe)
Had to put this here because the other thread went under already. This thing moves so quickly these days, eh?

I liked that game of yours. Here is one for you: Violet Bucket (from Keeping up appearances) or Phyllis Diller---HA! I'll introduce the shagging game here and you can teach the English to play butt golf. snicker.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:47:46 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: Who would you shag?
Message:
I think most definetly Violet. (She's the one who is always trying to shag the vicar?). She would be much more appreciative than Phyllis. I might even get to have tea with Hyacynth and live out an old fantasy of smashing her whole set of expensive hand painted tea cups against the wall. But didn't Violet die?
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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 00:39:45 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Oliver
Subject: That's Rose, not Violet
Message:
It's Rose who is always trying to shag the Vicar, and Hyacinth is always mortified when she does. Daisey is the other sister -- married to Oswald.

Okay, how about Oswald or Richard?

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:15:59 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Oliver
Subject: I goofed, Oliver
Message:
I meant to give Nigel the choice of shagging Hyancith Bucket or Phyllis Diller. Violet would definitely be the one to shag, but you are right, she was the sister. I gave the wrong flower name.

Now who would you shag? Ha ha!

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 18:52:17 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: VP
Subject: Guess it would have to be Hyacinth...
Message:
...less risk of recent dubious sexual encounters, I reckon. Now, Margaret Thatcher or Nancy Reagan..?
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 04:18:32 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: I goofed, Oliver
Message:
Well Hyacinth of course. The thought of coitus interruptus onto those 'very expensive, hand woven,imported sheets' fills me with delight.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 04:08:11 (GMT)
From: Plead the 5th
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: I goofed, Oliver
Message:
I think we already know that from Anything Goes!
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 23:13:34 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Holy Family...am I the only one
Message:
I was just perusing JM's site now that it is censored like all censored things I feel a certain 'forbidden fruit' thing when I read it...

well, um, does anyone look at the group photos of the boys, Sat, Bhole, Raja and little Prem....and become reminded of ANOTHER '70s fad?

Yes, I mean the Bubblegum Rock Group! They have all the essential elements...the freakishly talented youngest bro that the elder brothers surely resent but have to pretend they love. The stern looking father. The stage mother. The middle older brother that has no talent but they gotta make him a part of the group. That would be Bhole.

So like Little Prem Pal is Michael Jackson ( who has also turned out to be a very well adjusted adult who feels persecuted and misunderstood, lives a lavish and bizarre lifestyle and fears germs ) and Sat Pal is like Tito. I say Raja Ji is Jermaine ( Raja always was the best looking of the boys ) and Bhole ( who is he, like Marlon, the one who couldn't dance )

Or you could do the Osmonds ( but Donny turned out pretty well ) but Bhole would without a doubt be Wayne!

Good thing there were no sisters...I would hate to have had to say LaToya Ji Ki Jai!

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 16:09:47 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Yes, and
Message:
Michael Jackson has (or had?) his fans (fanatics) who worship him. I believe some even said that he is god. Let's see, the pictures hung up on walls, repetitive listening to the same words, red costumes, frenzied crowds at concerts/events, both feel more comfortable on stage in front of crowds. I suppose if a Michael fan got hold of the missing glove, they would revere it like a holy relic.

Prem Pal seems more into women though and can bs better, while Michael is a much better singer, composer, and dancer.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:41:13 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: How about 'Prem Pal and the Pips' (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 22:50:36 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Kauai (OT)
Message:
I want to do the hike along the Na Pali Cost on Kauai. It's something I've always wanted to do, and it's time to get around to i. Anybody done it? Any suggestions about places to stay in Kauai? It's vacation time, after all. Oh yeah. Where can you go to see video events on Kauai? [I need to be reminded, you know.]
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 23:46:30 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Kauai (OT)
Message:
Never been on that hike but I can tell you I was in Kauai at a meditation retreat as a premie. Jagdeo was the initiator and it was during the Jim Jones massacre. He assurred us everything was okay.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:13:05 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Hope Jagdeo wasn't around any little girls......
Message:
at the time.....)))))::::
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:56:16 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Hope Jagdeo wasn't around any little girls......
Message:
There were some kids but I can't remember what ages or genders. But I recall that most of the time Jagdeo was occupied dealing with grown premies. It was one of a few trips he made to Hawaii in the seventies and I don't think he could ever get a minute to himself because premies deified him. But even without the pedophile thing, Jagdeo was an enormous asshole.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:47:54 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Hope Jagdeo wasn't around any little girls......
Message:
'...Jagdeo was an enormous asshole. '

ye..he told my ex-wife that he was the reincarnation of a past perfect master....(barf)

regards jethro

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 15:15:08 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Hope Jagdeo wasn't around any little girls......
Message:
I met with Jagdeo privately about moving into the ashram. My concern was primarily my son and also my wife. He met with my wife and then met with me again and was laughing at me in a mocking, ridiculing tone, and saying 'You're wife doesn't even love you.' He told me maharaji would sweep up the mess I left behind.

I never did move into the ashram but I made enough of a mess trying to be a devotee anyway. And surprise, surprise... the guru never swept up jack-shit.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 17:17:45 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Hey, I just firgured out who you are......
Message:
But I won't tell. Welcome back.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 20:16:37 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Hey, I just firgured out who you are......
Message:
Thank you, JW.
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 23:20:56 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Kauai (OT)
Message:
My, I'm chatty today. I stayed in Hanalei Bay when I went to Kauai at a place called (I think) Hanalei Bay Colony. They're spacious, airy and beautiful. All units have lanais (open porches) with some up close and personal to the water. They burned down a few years ago, and I haven't been there since, but I know the owners rebuilt the entire place, so it's probably even nicer. Hanalei is on the north coast and much more isolated than the rest of the island, but it's very beautiful. When I was there, a woman had fallen to her death on the Na Pali trail, so I bagged that hike and went on an 8 mile hike into the 'jungle' to this incredible waterfall. I guess there's a section on the Na Pali Coast hike that's extremely narrow and the woman slipped and fell. But it's an extremely popular hike. I would've done it myself, but my friend and I decided to pass because of the fall.

I've had friends stay in Poipu who loved it there (I think you can rent condos also, which is what they did). And hit Banana Joe's for some smoothies.

I think you should bring some videos just in case you forget to breathe.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:04:16 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Monmot
Subject: Kauai (OT)
Message:
Thanks for the suggestion about Hanalei. I'll check out the place you mentioned. I've found a few interesting places in that area on the Internet.

I'm thinking of staying a week in the Hanalei area, doing the Na Pali coast hike, etc. (I hope the Capricorn in me means I have the feet of a mountain goat, it DOES look VERY steep in the pictures), And also staying a week near Poipu and do some scuba diving (I need a refresher course first). There are also some great hikes in Waimaia Canyon, which I've heard is contiguous with the Na Pali Coast, but you have to access it from the other side.

I guess I'm not someone who wants to lay on the beach all that much, but the hiking is very attractive to me.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:16:13 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Kauai (OT)
Message:
Do one of the Zodiac boat tours. They last about three hours and they travel up the coast parallel to the Na Pali trail (you see parts of it occasionally from the boat). Whatever you do, if you tend to get seasick, do not go. I had the pleasure of heaving in front of a group of strangers for those three hours, which included heaving in a sea cave where the echos made sure everyone knew I was still sick, in case they had forgotten. If I ever need a humility check, I'll do that one again. The canyon hike is great (I like to hike also), and you do have to enter it from the other side of the island. There's definitely no shortage of hiking. Also, See (pronounced See-ay) Beach is right near Hanalei (go to the very end of the road and there's the beach) and it's a beautiful. Dawn swims are particularly nice. If I remember correctly, the hike to the waterfall begins at See.

I love to lay in the sun, verboten as that is, but such is life in the Melanoma Lane.

And the videos--don't leave home without them; they're your portable iron lung.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 13:50:34 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Monmot and JW
Subject: when will you two ever learn to Enjoy Life
Message:
appreciate beauty? Show wonder at beautiful things?
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 23:27:40 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Monmot
Subject: Kauai (OT)
Message:
Sounds heavenly and I love the last line!
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 20:33:21 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Everyone
Subject: Are you people stoopid, or what?
Message:
You have Jean-Michel's site attached to 'Ex-premie.org' now. It just got kicked off the French ISP a little while ago because of copyright infringment, remember? Don't you think the same thing is probably going to happen to it again?

Better download that site real quick, folks! There's some good stuff there and it might not be around there for the picking very long.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:22:10 (GMT)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: Mili
Subject: Excellent idea, Mili!!
Message:
Better download that site real quick, folks! There's some good stuff there and it might not be around there for the picking very long.

You are right that there is some excellent content in those pages. It's a shame that Maharaji hasn't seen fit to publish these sorts of facts himself, rather than devote so many pages to fictional accounts of his own great modesty. At the same time he would rather keep people from reading the truth themselves on other websites.

But you raise a good point. If anyone wants to set up geocities-type sites acting as mirrors of the contents of those pages, email either JM or myself and we'll get you a zip file containing all the pages.

Then if Rawat's attorneys force us to remove any or all of it, we can still link to the many other copies available on the mirror sites. At the same time, we can put up even MORE pages documenting his efforts to silence those who have left. Let the legal fees eat into his jet fuel funds, I say. These sorts of sites can be put up faster than they can be forced down.

Who says that premies are stupid? Good idea, Mili.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:32:00 (GMT)
From: Sir David
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Excellent idea, Mili!!
Message:
There are SO MANY servers offering free web space that there are easily enough to put a new mirror site up every DAY. You cannot be prevented from linking to a site which is breaching copyright and cannot be prosecuted for same.

If the files are already linked to each other as a group using local HTML paths (such as ../afolder/page.htm etc) then there is no need to change any of the pages and I would quite happily plonk it all on some Geocities sites and other free sites using various Mickey Mouse names.

Anyone can do this easily with a little bit of knowledge and something like FTP Explorer.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 06:36:33 (GMT)
From: spyder
Email: ispyder@mail.com
To: Sir David
Subject: ILOVEYOU, Mili! Love Letter is on it's way to you!
Message:
Mili,

What a wonderful thread you've spawned here! We should all create our own webpage on AOL and GeoCities and spread the word about Maharaji. Better still would be a world-wide email virus with a picture of Maharaji in his mala!

Maharaji everywhere! Maharaji on every monitor! Maharaji on WebTV!

Mili, I'll send you a special VBS in email and it can happen in a really big way - The shot that was heard around the world!

What better way to tell the world about Maharaji! People will either see Maharaji as Lord and seek him out or they will see see him as a big fat freak. And, Mili, you will get all the credit. All you have to do is open a special email that I will be sending you in just a few days.

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 21:14:34 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Mili
Subject: Stop fretting about our well-being...
Message:
...and go see to those unfinished threads down below. People spend time trying to talk to you (but maybe they're not your idea of people?)

So you love the olden, golden glory days that J-M reproduces in all its sick splendour..? Do you think Maharaji does?

As AJW pointed out, EV do NOT hold the copyright on that stuff, since they have assured all interested parties that Elan Vital has nothing to do with Divine Light Mission. If they did turn out to be the same organisation that would open up a whole new can of worms...

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:57:32 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Stop fretting about our well-being...
Message:
'As AJW pointed out, EV do NOT hold the copyright on that stuff, since they have assured all interested parties that Elan Vital has nothing to do with Divine Light Mission. If they did turn out to be the same organisation that would open up a whole new can of worms...'

I wonder what it is they say is copyrighted. Certainly all of m's early stuff was not his(see Bhakti Sagar published by Shri Param Hans Advait Mat Publication Society, Shri Anand Pur). All of his 'satsangs' were clearly lifted).

Also, since, according to EV, m is only a 'speaker', have they any right to own the word he speaks?
Also do they claim copyright on their other 'speakers'?(.....can't think of any others at the moment!)

Regards Jethro

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 11:40:04 (GMT)
From: Leitentant Zelda
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Count us in
Message:
The whole division here agrees we will committ to the web page idea.
But we need instructions.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:01:57 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: About Copyrights
Message:
I don't know how much you or AWJ know about this issue.

I own some US copyrights through a company that I own. In filling out copyright forms, one has to give the name of those people who worked in the project without regular payment. As one person participated in one of my copyrights, I put his name into the application as a co owner of the copyright.

Imagine I closed down my business, of course I would transfer the copyright to myself. Or if I started a new business, I would transfer the copyright to my new business. A copyright is a property, that even might be sold.

If anyone violates the laws of copyrights, I assume the owner could sue the person or organisation who did it. I doubt the copyright laws are more lenient in the US than in France, probably there are more money involved in general in the US compared to France in such cases.

So it is my opinion that Anth is bullshitting if he has stated what Nigel posted.

The dilemma in this Forum, is that any normal person would sue Brian and Kathie and some other ex-premies for everything they had or ever will have, if treated like Maharaji have been treated in this 'online discussion group'.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 15:36:16 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: B
Subject: B...Um...any normal person
Message:
Well, you probably are thinking M is not suing because he is so merciful....

I think M doesn't sue because he has so much to hide, and the best way to uncover what he has to hide would be for him to sue any ex, thus opening himself to depositions regarding the truthfulness of what is posted on these site.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 14:18:31 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: B
Subject: Lies, Copyrights and Paedophiles.
Message:
Hi B,

Divine Light Mission caused so many problems, and became such an embarassment to everyone, that the organisation tried to 'bury its past' and reinvented itself as Elan Vital.

Last summer, when the Sunday Express was about expose the paedophilic activities of Mahatma Jagdeo, Elan Vital threatened legal action, denying that Elan Vital was in any way connected to Divine Light Mission, and threatening legal action if the paper said it was.

Unfortunately for the cult, they didn't brush all the fingerprints off, and, via this site, evidence was produced proving that the two organisations were indeed connected. In fact, as we all know, Elan Vital is Divine Light Mission under another name.

What Nigel was referring to was the contradiction of an organisation claiming it had nothing to do with another organisation, but claiming copyright on all the previous organisations publications.

Elan Vital, at the time of the name change, wrote to all its regularly contributing members, asking them to change their standing order payments from Divine Light Mission to Elan Vital. The letter was careful not to mention the two organisations, but they couldn't hide the fact that the old bank account number was DLM and the new one Elan Vital.

So, what we're doing here, is capitalising on the cult's incompetance, publicising their botched cover up operation, and basically taking the piss.

If you get my drift.

What do you think of the way Maharaji has handled Jagdeos paedophilic activities by the way B?

Anth the Accountant Paedophile Hunter.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 20:08:47 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Speculations, Copyrights and Paedophiles.
Message:
Copyright is a way of stating intellectual property of something you have made. I might be a drawing, a pattern, a CD, a book, you name it. The purpose to copyright is that you don't want anyone to misuse your creation. You just send it in (the text, a photo, or whatever) and fill out a form. By doing that, you own the copyright of the material. If the material is truely yours, you own somethings and you have some rights. You might sell the rights , you might transfer it to your wife or to an organisation. But even if you do so, the original name of the copyrighter will be printed on the material totgether with the year. So I think you misunderstand something about copyrights and your speculation that the change of names had to do with such matters, is pretty speculative. OK?

Re Pedophiles.
It is my opinion that pedophiles are sick and that they need medical treatment. As the system is not as it should be, I personally think that pedophile persons who abuse children should go to jail. I know there are speculations about Maharajis role with Jagdeo, but I do not know and I think nobody really knows the truth about how much he knew about this. If he sent Jagdeo back to India after the accusations about pedophily was known, or if Jagdeo left himself, I dont know. And I think it is speculations.
And honestly, if I would have been a boss and my employee would have abused a girl, I would probably help that person to have medical treatment, but I dont know for sure if I would have made arrangements so he was put in jail.
To judge is easy, Anth, to do the right thing is not always as easy ....

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Date: Fri, May 19, 2000 at 09:10:26 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: B
Subject: Speculations, Copyrights and Paedophiles.
Message:
Hi B,

On the subject of copyright. If someone has made statements in print, which were available to the public, that information is then, to some extent, public property. It is quite legitimate to quote from it when making a comment on it, without breaching copyright.

And lets look at the real issue here. The reason Elan Vital doesn't like us publishing extracts from Maharaji's satsang, isn't because, we're making any money out of it, and they're not getting their cut. It's because the information we are publicising is embarassing to them and Maharaji, because the cult's past is constantly swept under the carpet and denied. This is deceitful, misleading and dishonest, which is why we are eager to expose these contradictions and lies.

On the subject of Maharaji knowing about Jagdeo and his nasty habits, it's pretty clear he was told by both Randy Prouty and Judy Osbourne. Apparently Randy and Judy don't deny telling him about it. They merely say, 'They can't remember' telling him.

It stinks. And as far as we know, despite all the evidence, Jagdeo has been hidden away in India somewhere, where he is free to use his position of authority to continue abuse children.

Anth Ginn

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Date: Fri, May 19, 2000 at 22:37:40 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Speculations, Copyrights and Paedophiles.
Message:
Hi Anth

For me it is nothing but speculations what Maharaji did with Jagdeo or if he knew about it. I dont think we ever will get he truth about this case.
Lets just say, here at the Forum, Maharaji does not receive the benefit of doubt.

Re Copyright,
I do not really know. The only thing is that when you take your 'intelecual property' and send it with a form to the Copyright office, you get certain rights. If it is a public speak, I dont really think will matter, you will in some extent protect your material just by doing the act of sending it in for registration.
I would also think, if you were right about the public speak theory, most of Maharajis speaks would not come under this category, since most programs are only for invited guests.

By the way, it has been some speculations about why Maharaji would not sue the Ex-premie site.

Personellay I've been in some situations where I could have sued people, but sometimes I have chosen not to. The reason is, that I try in my life to pursue peace. (If I ever was programmed by Maharaji to something, I think it is just to try to settle peace and try to find contentment inside). I do not know Maharaji personally, but it is a norwegian saying that what comes out of you is what is flowing out of your heart. At least one could say that Maharaji stresses this attitude.

Have a nice weekend

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 20:51:31 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: B
Subject: pedophiles
Message:
insulting B.

I do know what happened I was there. If no one else knows the truth it is because they aren't telling it.

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Date: Fri, May 19, 2000 at 16:14:23 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: A donkey named Hoti
Message:
what do you call the only guy in a community that isn't into
their common group accepted behavior you know? don quixote?


p.s. (OT)wouldn't it make sense that the use of the word 'libelous' would require someone's name and identity be known to the person who has supposedly libelled? just curious (briefly)

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 20:58:51 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: g
Subject: and another thing
Message:
why on earth do so many premies say 'oh, well, he was sent back to India ' like this is somehow okay.

Do children in India deserve to be around this creep? Are they of less value? Have we recieved even the slightest hint that EV has done anything to protect kids?

We sure have a hint they are interested in protecting themselves more than they are children.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 21:11:51 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: and yet another
Message:
please read this

do you really think if you had been this guys boss you would have had trouble with the idea of him being in jail?


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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 21:13:59 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: link did not work here it is
Message:
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Island/6049/Truth/Abuse/outrage.htm

It is in Sir Dave's site

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 22:39:07 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: link did not work here it is
Message:
Dear Susan
The link was to Abis story, but she referred to your story. I think I once read your story though even if I dont remember all the details.
As I stated above, I think pedophiles are sick people and that they need medical treatment. I did not write that it was ok to send back Jagdeo to India. In my country, some pedophile persons are imprisoned and that is ok, But does it solve anything? The problem in my country is that such people, get leave of absence from the prison, and during this periode, they often abuse children again. Therefore I wrote that if I were a boss, and my employee had abused a child, I probably rather would have seen to that he got medical treatment than that he would be imprisoned. But I am not at all sure about what I would have done.

I have myself 2 daughters, and I can only say that stories like yours and Abis really upset me.

Words to say I really feel with you, sounds stupid. Most of us have in one way or another been victim of injustice or traumatic experiences, however there are sometimes beautiful things happening in our lives. I once was a victim of rough violence. A guy knocked me down and kicked me in my body and head for about 5 minutes. I was sick for 2 months and the guy who did it, did not get any punishment because 4 friends of him lied in the court and because of actually corruption as his father was a high ranked police officer.

This incident might have turned me into a bitter person, but I tried to rise and overcome my frustration. I remember at those times, I found inspiration to read poems like Kiplings 'If', and I also feel a lot of gratitude for Knowledge and Maharaji. It sounds like a cliche, but at this point in my life, everything fell apart and if not for Maharaji and Knowledge, I am not sure I would have been alive.

Even if we do not share the same beliefs, I sincerely hope for both of us that we will be able to enjoy the beauty of the gift of life.

Best wishes B

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 13:14:24 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: B
Subject: Abbey Normal
Message:
B:

There are also laws against giving legal advice without being a member of the bar. You're a little hazy on the distinction between copyright infringement and defamation, but there seem some rather obvious reasons why M has not done as you suggest; the chief among which is suggested by the phrase 'any normal person.' There is always the spectre of publicity during discovery, and the annoying possibility of a finding of fact regarding some of the more embarassing accusations. Personally, I think you're bullshitting.

--Scott

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:10:25 (GMT)
From: DeproGram Anand Ji
Email: not given
To: B
Subject: About Copyrights
Message:
Maharaj Ji won't sue cuase he is a chicken shit mother fucker who does not want the publicity that he will get as the result of legally intimidating ex-followers. Think about it shit lips, he would be inviting the very thing he fears most, bad publicity!
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:52:21 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: B
Subject: I don't like being threatened, Bjorn...
Message:
...and neither do most Americans (both North and South). I say Maharaji can kiss my ass - and if Maharaji can't stand the heat, let him get the hell out of the kitchen.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 19:31:30 (GMT)
From: Sister Helen
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: I don't like being threatened, Bjorn...
Message:
You go, girlfriend!
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:43:32 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: I never threatened you , Katie...
Message:
I just stated the dilemma going on here at the Ex-premie site.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 15:19:30 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: B
Subject: Maybe not overtly
Message:
Bjorn,
I believe that what you wrote was a veiled threat, although maybe not intentionally. I also see by your subsequent posts that you have backed off your position somewhat.

This 'threat of lawsuit' issue has been brought up OVER and OVER again by supposedly 'concerned' premies ever since this site and forum have been in existence. (I believe Mili has also mentioned a FBI investigation of this site, just as you did - it appears that neither one of you knows very much about the FBI!)

Anyway, I am VERY tired of individual premies bringing up a possible lawsuit as a result of this site. Are you acting as an official representative of Elan Vital or of Maharaji? If not, it just makes you look stupid, and it makes Maharaji look stupid when you talk about what he might or might not do, based on your opinion. Especially since an official EV representative, or a 'person around Maharaji' has NEVER contacted the webmaster of this site.

BTW, if you ARE an official representative, then put your money where your mouth is!

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 19:32:21 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Maybe try to understand?
Message:
Katie,
In my posts concerning copyrights, I tried to make it clear that people here at the Forum are breaking the laws. There are 'stealing' of copyrighted material, there are defamiation cases, there are libel statements going on. I think any sane person would be able to see that pretty clearly.

The point is that you are aware of this. So your speculation goes that Maharaji is not going to do anything about it. Or it even seems like a secret desire for some people that he would sue you. (Thus you imagine you could expose him in public, thinking that since he must be a bad guy, you have the right to break the public laws). And some ex-premies thinks they are protected by the anominity and that the regular laws do not count on the internet.
It is my opinion that this kind of thinking is somehow naive, and to me it seems like some people have not been through any legal cases.

It is my opinion that there will be no law suit. The only possibility there would be a lawsuit in my personal opinion, would be if Maharaji was into his business for the money. This is what I describe as a dilemma of the Ex-premie site.

Of course, and you know that, I am talking as an induividual person with no connections to EV, and if you think that makes me stupid, so what?? I can afford to be stupid.

My opinion is based on my common sense (or lack of it). If I try to imagine myself in Maharajis shoes, and I would be into this for the money, I would definitely sue you. If I would have a genuine desire to accomplish my work, and I believed in what I was teaching, I wouldnt do a thing.

If you don't get what I say, what can I do about that?

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 20:17:54 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: B
Subject: Haven't you got the message yet?
Message:
B, you write: If you don't get what I say, what can I do about that?

The point is - and Katie and others have made this abundantly clear - nobody here gives a flying fuck what you or Maharaji think. Why should they?

The consensus opinion around here - if you hadn't noticed - is that the moral case against Maharaji greatly outweighs any mere copyright infringement on the ex sites, real or imagined.

And we understand what you say all right - and if you don't like the reactions you receive you'll just have take your thoughts elsewhere or keep them to yourself.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 20:55:50 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: I think I got the message?
Message:
Your attitude reminds me of something. Was it mentioned in some reports I read about cults and cult members behavior? Was it in some cases of brainwashed people of China? Take a guess?

Try to think a non-programmed thought for once.

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 14:45:23 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: B
Subject: Ah, such divine irony!
Message:
What would you like me talk about?
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Date: Fri, May 19, 2000 at 14:28:42 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Nigel
Subject: Hey Bjorn! Wanna try an experiment?
Message:
See my thread up above. You might find it interesting.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:08:12 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: B
Subject: About Copyrights
Message:
US copyright law is very lenient in comparison to most European countries, especially the UK, which has much more stringent laws, and fewer free speech protections.

US law is clear that if you are using printed material for commentary or criticism, like JM is most definitely doing on his site, that is an exception to the copyright laws. EV could always sue, but I have a hard time figuring out what damages EV could claim to that old stuff JM has on his site. And it isn't like JM is making money on it, to the detriment of EV.

Plus, like I said before, the publicity would be pretty bad for Maharaji if he did something so shitty. I know the press WOULD be interested in something like that.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:38:50 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: About Copyrights
Message:
In my understanding you are not allowed to copy copyrighted material inteded to be sold, in a 'publication' like this Forum, without the permission of the owner of the copyright. In some ways it is a property like a patent.

In this case, it is obious that in France it was regarded as a violation of the laws and that the owner of the copyright did not approve the use of the material. To my remembrance, it seems like most material printed, audio or videos, clearly states that no part is allowed to be used in any form without the written conscensus of the copywriter. Those things you state, have in my opinion a different meaning than what is going on here.

Replacing the material to the the Ex-premie site, is in my opinion a conscious violation of the laws, and such a case would probably be a piece of cake.
JW, I assume you are from the UK, do you really honestly think that the press would be interested in a minor case like this? Where some people repeatedly violated common laws against an organisation?
Dream on. But as I have stated before, I dont think EV would sue, but for other reasons than you write.

You state you have a hard time to figure out what are the damages for EV, I think it is probably very easy to say that EV sells the material and that the unlawful publishing will reduce their sales. And in this Forum, the purpose of many posts seems to be defamation of premies and Maharaji.

One interesting thing happening to day, is the G7 meeting where internet criminal activities are the big issue.

It is also interesting to know that FBI is building a rather big organisation which sole purpose is to investigate criminal activities on the net.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:18:46 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: B
Subject: YES, there is criminal activity....
Message:
en el internet: Maharaji deceives the public promoting 'his' knowledge as something that is not! He does not explain directly to people what all is about: Is acult. Adoration of the 'Master'. That is the goal. If not you are not a true devotee, if not, you will never make it!! He functions as a church through Elan Vital when there is no difference from the two: All money goes to him...

The practices of 'his church' have damaged many people's lives and we have the right to give our opinion and to expose him and his troop, because the evidence we have is tremendous. Stay around and roll...

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 07:21:38 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Is there is criminal activity....
Message:
in what you claim about Maharaji?

Just to mention it, the fundraising money goes to the programs sponsored by Elan Vital.

So what you say, is that because in your opinion Maharaji is doing a criminal activity, (what you describe is not), you are free to do your criminal actions?

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 23:26:39 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: B
Subject: There's wrong and there's illegal...
Message:
Different philosophical concepts. I'm sure you have them in Norway, too. Sort it out for yourself, Bem. You're wasting too many people's time.
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Date: Fri, May 19, 2000 at 14:16:01 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Wrong vs illegal...
Message:
Does this mean that in your opinion what Maharaji is doing is wrong and legal and what you are doing is right and illegal.

Interesting.

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 13:58:44 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: B
Subject: Juries and 'Knowledge People'(love the term!)
Message:
Don't you think any jury of normal people would decide that Elan Vital/DLM is a cult. Unfortunately, this cult can hide behind separation of Church and state laws while claiming to not be a religion in its recruiting efforts.

If freed from the bonds of these laws, I maintain the leader would be revealed as another con man, i.e. selling a placebo as a 'practical solution'.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:35:31 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: B
Subject: You don't know what you are talking about
Message:
I'm from the USA, not the UK and it's obvious you don't know what you are talking about. So you are the one who ought to dream on.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:06:24 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: B
Subject: B, you have got it wrong
Message:
Hi, B

I have a couple of fancy schmancy litigators on retainer, so just to make their evening, I thought I'd give on of them a call. They were highly amused by your position(and irritated that I wasted their time.)

I mean no disrespect, but I just want you to get your facts straight here. First off, this website is not considered a publication, necessarily. You would have to prove that money is made off of this site (it isn't.) You would have to prove that ex-premie.org's use of your printed material is costing EV revenue. You have to be able to PROVE lost revenue. This would call attention to their revenue and to how much money they make. That would be relevant and admissable.

It would be very difficult (If not impossible) to prove lost revenue for the information cited here that is out of print, no longer being sold or has never been sold. Much of JM's information appears to fall into one of those categories. JM's personal photographs are HIS property and as such, EV as NO rights to them.

Certain materials CAN be used for the purpose of critique or satire, etc. You bring up defamation, and be aware that TRUTH is the defense for this. Maharaji is a public figure and as such has forfeited certain privacy rights.

As for your lame attempt at scaring us with the FBI, Get real, B. Internet crime has to do with fraud, viruses, theft, firewall cracking and the like. Telling the truth about a cult on a website is hardly a violation of the law. If anything, most people in America applaud this whistleblowing type of activity--(you are in the minority) and that is why the press would be interested if a nasty court case ensued.

I can read the headline now: 'Millionaire 70's guru Maharaji battles ex-followers in court for copyright violations' Doesn't sound very savory.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 10:20:47 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: I might be wrong, VP
Message:
You and JW might be right. I am not a lawyer. I only know something about this as a businessman and as I directly or indirectly own some US patents and copyrights. However there would be interesting to know what you asked your friend about. I would say every case has 2 sides.

About copyrights in my country, one decade ago (as in the US), there were legal discussions about schools and students using copyrighted material in their studies. In the laws (in Europe or the US) I don't think there are mentioned that copyrighted material might be used this way, but this has been the practice of the law. However in my opinion, this case is different.

If a person was into something for his living, as it is stated on the Forum that Maharaji is, I would be rather nervous if I was responsible for some of the things that have been posted here. However it seems like the morality of the Ex-premie site is a speculation that since Maharaji is not going to do anything about it, people here are free to break the laws as much as they want.

You state something about the money and the Forum. I honestly do not know about this, but I have a imaginiation about how it really works. So I am not sure you are correct about this issue.

To your statement of Maharaji as a public person, I would say that Maharaji is trying to avoid publicity, but anyway he has a right for his privacy. And even if you are a public person, this does not mean that other persons have the rights to publish lies and defamatory statements about you.

I wrote that I found it interesting FBI is setting up a rather big department to fight internet criminal activities. I am not trying to scare you about this, but I think FBI s investigations, will cover all kind of violations of the laws that might be subject for punishments.

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However, there was a criminal lawsuit, I think in the UK, where a person was the victim of several untruthful statements in a online discussion group, the website was sentenced to pay the person 500 000 £. In the US some persons have been imprisoned for writing untruthful statements on stock market discussion websites.

However I don't think you should worry about this. What I am trying to say, is if Maharaji was into his business for money, I pesonally would not like to be in the shoes of some persons.

Even if you steal something from a thief, it does not justify your actions in the eyes of the law.

I honestly dont think the headline you are dreaming about, is ever going to happen.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 13:24:21 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: I might be wrong, VP
Message:
B:

I would say every case has 2 sides.

Uh huh... the winning side and the losing side. And M. would be on the latter, without question.

--Scott

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:56:52 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: I have got it wrong
Message:
I meant to say that I called 'one' of my attorneys and he was annoyed. I accidentally made that plural.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 03:01:43 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: Oh...well, then I'm not impressed anymore.(nt)
Message:
booga booga
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:53:45 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: I agree, JW
Message:
It would be a HUGE error for EV to open themselves up to that publicity--a lawsuit. As long as they stay hidden in the dark of their clan of the cave cult, know one will know what a freak show they are running--no one will check into Maharaji's earnings. If they expose themselves, they run the risk of people finding out about them, more press coverage, etc. Bad, bad move if EV goes after this website.

Besides, it would just make them look so angry, vindictive and small. Not at all peaceful, centered and fullfilled, as they are in business to be.

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 21:02:17 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: US Copyright laws are MUCH more Lenient......
Message:
Of course, I would LOVE to see EV try to take some legal action anyway. Wouldn't that be wonderful publicity for the Lord of Love?
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 22:53:48 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Cult copyright case now in courts...similarities!
Message:
SALT LAKE CITY (BP)--A battle over a copyright infringement lawsuit -- with ramifications for the Internet's informational content, First Amendment rights to freedom of religion and the secretive nature of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- may soon be settled out of court.

An attorney for the Mormon Church and one of those involved with the Utah Lighthouse Ministry of Salt Lake City have expressed optimism that negotiations are moving toward a settlement of a lawsuit filed by the Mormon Church against the evangelical ministry for printing -- on its Internet site last July -- portions of an unpublished, copyrighted Mormon book.

On their Utah Lighthouse Ministry's website, www.utlm.org, Sandra and Jerald Tanner posted the excerpts explaining how people may have their names removed from Mormon Church rolls. The effort was part of the cult-watcher ministry's primary mission of exposing heresy pertaining to the Mormon Church and assisting people who want to leave Mormonism. The Tanners obtained the book from an anonymous source who left a copy -- contained on a computer disc -- in their mailbox.

The legal struggle began in October when the Mormon Church, through its Intellectual Reserves, Inc., subsidiary that holds the rights to its intellectual property, sued the Tanners, alleging copyright infringement.

A U.S. district judge subsequently issued a temporary restraining order, a ruling that required the Tanners to remove the pages from their Internet site. The Tanners complied, but later posted an e-mail message from a reader containing Internet addresses where the entire book -- 'Church Handbook of Instructions, Book 1, Stake Presidencies and Bishoprics' that deals with church disciplinary procedures -- could be read.

The Mormon Church, in response, asked the judge to order the Tanners to remove the addresses on the theory they were encouraging others to view and make illegal copies of the handbook pages.

The judge ordered the addresses removed -- igniting a fierce cyberspace debate over whether the ruling restricted the freedom of Internet users from linking one website to another.

'The Internet is all about linking,' said Jeffrey Kuester, a copyright lawyer who practices cyberspace law in Atlanta. The judge's restraining order could have 'a chilling impact on anyone who wants to tell someone else where something can be found on the Web.'

But T.R. Halvorson, a Sidney, Mont., attorney specializing in cyberspace issues, said the order should not be viewed with alarm, that it is specifically targeted at Web users who post unpublished, copyrighted material or addresses where such material can be viewed and distributed even further via links on the Web.

This judge 'is no threat to free speech,' Halvorson said in a study devoted to the case published in March. '[The judge] is not going to destroy the Web as we know it. You are not infringing copyrights when you browse copyrighted material posted to the Web by the copyright holders.'

In this case, the Tanners were not the copyright holders of the book and the Mormons had not made the book available, he noted.

However, the Tanners' Salt Lake City attorney, Brian Barnard, said the information posted by the Tanners had been circulating on the Internet for six months and that they removed it as soon as they were contacted. Barnard said the legal action by the Mormon Church has more to do with the mission of Utah Lighthouse than it does with anything else.

'The Tanners have been critics of the LDS Church for some time,' Barnard said. ' I think they are being singled out for this litigation. The New York Times put up URLs [Internet addresses] with links to the same information as my clients put up. The Salt Lake City Tribune published the same URLs and neither The Tribune nor The New York Times is being sued. So it appears this litigation is based more on a theological dispute.'

Other observers question the merit of the original lawsuit, arguing that most copyright infringement cases involve things like selling or distributing unauthorized copies of computer software. In such cases, the argument goes, the copyright infringement reduces the copyright holder's capacity to make a profit on the copyrighted material. But the LDS has no plans to make a profit off the publication involved in the Tanner lawsuit, leaving theorists to ask, 'How does the free distribution of a small part of it hurt the LDS?'

Neither side in the legal battle would divulge how the issues might be settled through their ongoing negotiations.

'There has been some discussion between the parties that may lead to a settlement,' Berne Broadbent, an attorney for the Mormon Church, told Baptist Press April 6. Broadbent said he did not know when a settlement might be reached.

Sandra Tanner said she thinks the Mormons 'just want to get rid of this whole thing' because allies interested in protecting the Internet's freedom to share information are lining up to join in the legal fray. Indeed the San Francisco-based Electronic Frontier Foundation, a nonprofit group that studies cyberspace freedom of expression issues, has promised to get involved in the case by filing its own brief expressing its reservations about the restriction imposed on the Tanners from the restraining order.

'We will not pay any money or admit to any guilt, but we will agree to destroy the disc that has the book,' Tanner told Baptist Press April 6.

'By them going after us, they have created a backlash by people who would have never thought of it. It has been a boost to our Internet site and brought many people to us that might otherwise would not have known about us.'

While the legal battle may soon end, debates over the secretive operations of the Mormon Church and individuals' First Amendment rights to freedom of religion will linger.

Tanner, who was featured in a video explaining Mormon beliefs issued prior to the 1998 Southern Baptist Convention annual meeting in Salt Lake City by the SBC's North American Mission Board, said Utah Lighthouse Ministry's website was established to let people know that 'the Mormon religion is false, that Joseph Smith is a false prophet and that they are in danger of jeopardizing their eternal welfare.'

'In other churches you would have been given a manual when you joined that would have laid out their church discipline policies,' she said. 'But in Mormonism, you are not given a church handbook that explains their discipline processes and, in fact, they are kept secret from you.

'In the Mormon Church they never drop you from the rolls no matter how inactive you have been. I have people writing us all the time, asking what they have to do to get [the LDS] off their backs.'

The case also raises questions about the First Amendment rights of those wishing to leave Mormonism.

The LDS was criticized last year after some people claimed they received harassing phone calls from the cult for writing letters requesting they be removed from church rolls.

'This type of response to a letter from a member of a church asked to be removed from a church's membership rolls is clearly an unconstitutional attack on the freedom of religious rights of those who wrote the letters,' editorialized William Tibbits in the University of Utah independent student newspaper, The Daily Utah Chronicle.

'Freedom of religion, like all rights protected in the Bill of Rights, is a right for individuals, not organizations. This means that freedom of religion exists not for churches but for the members of those churches.

'In the context of the LDS Church, this means that people who wish to leave the LDS Church should be able to write a letter stating that wish and be left alone.'

Tanner said people outside the Mormon Church are amazed they have a handbook that they would hide.

'For the first time people realized there was a handbook,' she said. 'Suppressing something creates more interest. I don't understand why the church didn't have an open policy to begin with.'

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 10:17:46 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Thanks for posting this!
Message:
Hi blood -
Appreciate you posting this - Brian and I both enjoyed reading it. I particularly liked some of the things that Sandra Tanner had to say.

We've been wondering why forum readership has been up so much lately :) (really, it has! - although this could also be a result of M's programs in the US).

Thanks again,
Katie

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 02:48:19 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Not that similar!
Message:
blood:

Well, one rather clear difference is that this was a battle between two organized religions, both of which were promoting their sacred tenets. The courts tend to see these as though they are market disputes over unfair competition, or predatory practices.

--Scott

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 08:22:48 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: Scott T.
Subject: Not that similar!
Message:
If one could be able to take away programmed way of thinking, I think this case of the Mormon church will create precedent, so a lawsuit would be a piece of cake in favour of EV. That means the case would not be interesting to the general public even. I assume there will be hundres or thousands of similar cases to procceed this one.

The case Scott, seems to be about rights to publish copyrighted material on the internett, and it really does not matter if it is a church or whatever.

However it is my personal opinion that EV would not take such a case to court to sue this tiny organisation some people would categorize as a small cult. But I do not really know.

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 15:54:33 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: B
Subject: Not that similar!
Message:
B:

It's convenient to have an opinion you admit will not be tested. The inconsistency is that EV would have everything to gain from a lawsuit it could win on precedent, and that the public would ignore. Therefore, if they don't sue (and they won't) it could only be because they either believe they'd lose, or that they'd be subjected to unfavorable publicity, or both. As for your contention that the case has only to do with the copyright issue, and that copyright is unmitigated by 'public good' or by the right of a non-religious organization to post the words and actions that they deem offensive, I shall leave that issue to JW or Jim (in the Canadian arena). I know a little about Civil Rights law and precedent, but next to nothing about copyright law.

--Scott

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 19:45:59 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: TA
Message:
No, not tits and ass! :) An ex I 'met' here who hasn't posted in a long time, sent me this today and I thought it appropriate for this site. :)
Love,
Robyn

TA - Thinkers Anonymous
It started out innocently enough. I began to think
at parties now and then to loosen up. Inevitably
though, one thought led to another, and soon
I was more than just a social thinker I began
to think alone - 'to relax,' I told myself - but I
knew it wasn't true. Thinking became more and
more important to me, and finally I was thinking
all the time. I began to think on the job. I knew
that thinking and employment don't mix, but I
couldn't stop myself. I began to avoid friends at
lunchtime so I could read Thoreau and Kafka.
I would return to the office dizzied and confused,
asking, 'What is it exactly we are doing here?'
Things weren't going so great at home either. One
evening I had turned off the TV and asked my wife
about the meaning of life. She spent that night at
her mother's. I soon had a reputation as a heavy thinker.
One day the boss called me in. He said, ' I like you,
and it hurts me to say this, but your thinking has become
a real problem. If you don't stop thinking on the job, you'll
have to find another job.' This gave me a lot to think about.

I came home early after my conversation with the boss.
'Honey,' I confessed, 'I've been thinking...' 'I know you've
been thinking,' she said, 'and I want a divorce!' 'But,
Honey, surely it's not that serious.' 'It is serious,' she
said, lower lip aquiver. 'You think as much as college
professors, and college professors don't make any
money, so if you keep on thinking we won't have any
money!' 'That's a faulty syllogism,' I said impatiently,
and she began to cry. I'd had enough. 'I'm going to
the library,' I snarled as I stomped out the door. I headed
for the library, in the mood for some Nietzsche. I roared
into the parking lot and ran up to the big glass doors...
they didn't open. The library was closed. As I sank to
the ground clawing at the unfeeling glass, whimpering
for Zarathustra, a poster caught my eye. 'Friend, is heavy
thinking ruining your life?' it asked. You probably
recognize that line. It comes from the standard Thinkers
Anonymous poster. Which is why I am what I am today:
a recovering thinker. I never miss a TA meeting. At
each meeting we watch a non educational video; last
week it was 'Porky's.' Then we share experiences about
how we avoided thinking since the last meeting. I still have
my job, and things are a lot better at home. Life just
seemed... easier, somehow, as soon as I stopped
thinking.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:59:44 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: TA
Message:
Robyn,
That was good. I'm sending that to several people I know. Thanks for sharing it here. How ya doing?
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 18:33:21 (GMT)
From: Guess Who
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: said this...
Message:
Guess Who said this, when, and where, and why:

When the sweet Creator created me, he placed a heart. He placed a mind. Sure, he placed a mind. But he also placed a heart. He placed in me the ability not to recognize, but what is more important, he placed in me the ability to recognize. Yes, he created eyelids, but he also created eyes. And what do you think is more important to you? If you got a scratch on your eyelid, big deal? No. No big deal. Get the same scratch in your eye, big deal? Of course, a big deal. I have seen so many times people get scratches on the eyelid, 'That was close!' Man, if that eyelid wasn't there, it would have been your eye.

The answers are: (scroll down)

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Who:Prem Pal Singh Rawat, aka Maharaji,
42 year old graduate of St. Joseph's Academy

Where: Marina del Rey, California

When: March 25, 2000

Reprinted without kind permission
of Visions International (read more
on their website)

as for why? - to remind Mili and the faithful
to practice Knowledge, in case they forgot.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:22:02 (GMT)
From: DeProGram Anand Ji
Email: not given
To: Guess Who
Subject: said this...
Message:
I t is my understanding that M never completed Saint Josephs Academy, that would make him a 42 year old drop out.
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 22:03:01 (GMT)
From: lotus eater
Email: None
To: Guess Who
Subject: said this...
Message:
Was that on a video? I seem to remember it from Hans Jayanti last year, he even went so far as to say that god gave us a mind for a reason!!!!!!!!!reverted to saying heart is better, however.
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 16:17:05 (GMT)
From: ET
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Good New Look but Bad Link
Message:
I like the new look to the home page of ex-premie.org. Please don't go to frames, though.

The FAQ link on the lower left is bad. It has a semi-colon instead of a colon: http;//. This leads to a bad link. The FAQ link at the top is OK.

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 17:50:34 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: ET
Subject: Re that FAQ page - mention of M's stepmother
Message:
Well done ex-premie.org graphics team!

BTW, on that FAQ page it mentions that:
'Maharaji's stepmother (his father's first wife) had a residence in the Indian ashram. She died a couple of years ago and M. attended her funeral.'



If she died only a few years ago, did Shri Hans divorce her? Or did he take two wives? Anyone know the story here?

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 20:09:03 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Re that FAQ page - mention of M's stepmother
Message:
he had 2 wives mataji being the second.

Regards Jethro

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 14:37:04 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Thanx Jethro, any children from 1st marriage? (nt)
Message:
Thanx Jethro, any children from 1st marriage? (nt)
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 16:36:09 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Yes cq, see this message
Message:
I know m has one step sister(her mentions her on his website). I don't think his step-mother had any other children.

I just remembered in one early 'End it is Divine' there was a story of how hans met mataji. Briefly it said that mataji had had a dream about her husband to be and when she woke she drew the man's picture and showed it to her father who then some time later saw shri hans at a satsang program and recognised him(hans) from the picture his daughter drew. Apparently hans agreed instantly to marry her.
The truth is probably that his first wife couldn't have any more kids and he(hans) wanted a son or 2 or 3 or 4.

Regards Jethro

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 17:37:21 (GMT)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: ET
Subject: Thanks - I fixed it (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 05:05:42 (GMT)
From: DeProGram Anand Ji
Email: not given
To: Everyone
Subject: Elan Vital Programs Where and When ?
Message:
How does one find out the times and locations of these Elan Vital programs nowadays? Do they keep them a secret or what? The big M certainly does seem to be trying to keep a low profile, I wonder why that is? Anyone care to explain that to me, MILI?
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 07:39:47 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: DeProGram Anand Ji
Subject: Elan Vital Programs: mailing lists
Message:
of course you'll have to be living in a country where Rawat still feels comfortable to have programs !!!

Looks like there are quite some countries where he doesn't feel at ease so much anymore!!!

Gooroos', paedophiles' and rapists' hunting is on!!!

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 03:17:41 (GMT)
From: Mrs. goodheart/badmind
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: cd's for sale at programs
Message:
Just wondering-suppose someone were to burn a cd with a compilation of lots of things that are talked about on this site...
and then they duplicated one of the jackets off of the current premie muzak cd's..
and then they put the ex-premie cd inside the cd cover with premie muzak cover,,,
and then shrink wrapped it and placed it on trinket table at the next program.
hundreds of them...
this would be work..
but this could be fun...
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 03:07:12 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Michael Moore
Message:
Hey Joe-do you really know someone who's connected to michael moore and tv nation?
Don't we really owe it to ourselves to pitch a script to michael about m and knowledge?He could digest all of the great promises and truths expounded upon by m in the 70's, and go begging for knowledge from David Smith in the present day.
I know it's a long shot, but wouldn't it be hilarious to watch michael moore ask if all his sins are forgiven when he receives k, or why he can't get a little holy breath or darshan?
It would be too funny to see that on national tv.
Maybe we could get a little collection together and hire someone to write a short treatment to submit to tv nation.There's so much good material right here...
LA
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:20:50 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: Michael Moore
Message:
I sent him an email and received an answer: He wants to see what we have!!!!

:)

SB: Busy working....

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 11:42:50 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: Michael Moore
Message:
Hi la-ex!

I exchange emails with him...Anybody has ideas on how it can be presented to him? I mean, what would be 'the material' to show the 'evidences'? Darshan pictures, Lord of the Universe stuff...and what more? He is not my friend, friend: We began to exchange emails a year ago about a medical insurance case, but I think if well presented he would be interested. I started a letter that I haven't finished yet... ideas are welcome.

Glad you thought of this: Michael is a beautiful, warm, caring person! A good place to go...

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 05:35:55 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: Michael Moore
Message:
Wasn't the guy Moore was after named Roger Smith? He could do a continuing series on Smiths. The Smith Sagas has a certain je ne sais quoi about it :-))).
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 20:59:07 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Monmot
Subject: Michael Moore
Message:
Yeah, Michael Moore got his fame from the documentary 'Roger and Me' in which he dogged Roger Smith, the CEO of General Motors about 'downsizing' and the effect on Flint, Michigan, Michael's home town.

TV Nation was an incredible show, which was on one or the regular networks. Now BRAVO is bringing him back with the new program.

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 04:42:46 (GMT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: I Thought About This
Message:
You know, I thought about talking to Jay about this. I know Jay, but we aren't close friends. He is actually the son of one of the senior partners in my firm. But he has been writer for Michael Moore's show for a long time. The problem is that Michael Moore has always wanted to focus on politics and how American workers are getting screwed, not on stupid, insipid, ciphers like Maharaji. It would be funny, but you would have to be old enough to remember Millennium, and Moore targets a younger audience. Still, maybe something could come of it. It would be funny to see Michael Moore, take his cameras up to the Malibu mansion and confront the 'security' or go to some 'event' and try to ask Maharaji some questions about kissing feet and the Lord of the Universe.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 04:37:11 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: I Thought About This
Message:
JW-I don't have a lot of time now, but the more I think about it, the better it could be, if michael murphy would do one of his tongue in cheek serious investigations.I've seen him ask the president of some of the big 3 auto companies, if they would come down and change the oil in his car for him.I've seen him pay $5,000 to gain some sort of title in england, and then hand out cards in a local pub with his title on it, while buying everyone free beers.
I could see him following the knowledge trail, talking to instructors about how sincere he is. I could see him referring to past claims from m in the 70's, and asking instructors if they are still true, so he can get the same knowledge that the old timer premies got.(ie:does the satguru still remove all sins, as promised in 1971? When exactly will the lion lie down with the lamb, and where? Was millenium festival in houston, still the most holy and signifigant event in human history?Can michael murphy talk to m personally, perhaps with the crown or krishna outfit on?)
It could go on and on, but I think there is so much material, especially with the wealth issue, and past claims, that mm would have a field day with it...
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 20:37:43 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: I Thought About This
Message:
This might sound stupid, but I bet Tom Green, that lunatic from MTV, might do something like try to break into M's mansion for an interview. It would be right up his ally, piss off the former boy god, now muti-millionaire 'successful investor'. But God only knows how to get in touch with him to try it. But I bet he'd think about it if he was presented with the idea. What a goof if he did it. I'd howl. I can just see him doing it. LOL.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:28:48 (GMT)
From: Little Yiddish Grandma
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Tom Green--that meshugenah!
Message:
His parents are so amashed of that boy, Tom Green!! A pox upon him! Do you see how he breaks their hearts on every show??? He's not a blessing to them! Sick him on Maharaji and give them some peace!
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:35:01 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Little Yiddish Grandma
Subject: Poor Tom
Message:
Give Tom a break, Grandma. He's only got one ball left after his operation for testicular cancer. Yes, that is the sad truth. I'm starting to like Tom (not because he's losing his balls), but because he's out of his mind. Seriously, this guy is a freak of nature. Once you realize that being 'normal' is completely beyond this guy, he's fascinating to watch, although he does get a little obnoxious. And Grandma, you have to admit, Tom's making a lot more mmoney than he would have as a doctor or a lawyer. That can't be all bad. And Tom does love his parents, and they love him. He made both of them stars! And Monica Lewinsky too! Did you see that episode? She's really a nice, sweet person. Thanks to Tom, now all of America knows that.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 03:18:28 (GMT)
From: LYG
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Poor Tom
Message:
I saw that slut Monica, walk right into Tom's parents' bedroom schilling her purse designs. OY! Is a parents' bedroom not sacred to a child? Get my medication, I'm getting a gazink in my ganecktagazoink!

Don't make excuses for his behavior saying that he's just meshugenah and can't help himself. Don't you listen to Dr. Laura?. I know I know, she's a tiresome windbag but she does have something to say to the 'me generation!'

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 16:42:05 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: I Thought About This
Message:
...or to show up at Amaroo's next DARSHAN session...that will be a good one too.

:))

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 05:21:11 (GMT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: he is a good prospect
Message:
Michael Moore is a reincarnation of the 'New Left', taking on corporate targets and government/corporate targets, anyone who is corrupt for the sake of money. He's a good prospect. The left was disgusted by Maharaji. The guy who debated Rennie at Millenium was a similarly cynical journalist. Moore also wouldn't have a problem with the chaos of this forum, so some of the PR issues that have been bounced around would be less relevant.
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 15:03:53 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: he is a good prospect
Message:
I also think that Michael Moore might be interested. We could send him a copy of 'Lord of the Universe' which is from the 70's, but also copies of a few videos from the late 90's. Since Rawat lives in Malibu and has lots of money gained at the expense of the little guy, I think MM's interest could very well be peeked. The residence is filmable from PCH, and there are lots of premies and ex-premies that could be filmed. Rawat is not well-known, but cults are still of interest, what with Heaven's Gate and the Uganda thing being very recent, and with Battlefield Earth now out.
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 02:55:34 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Unconvinced as ever
Message:
Below Mili was talking about knowledge and he said, basically ,that it was great but that he could forget to practice, so he needed Maharaji to remind him.

Sex is great. It's not a trickle, (I crack up when premies say that practising knowledge is a trickle--must have been in a video) Sex usually knocks my socks off. And I can tell you one thing, I don't forget to do it. I don't need a Master or anyone else to remind me to have sex. I can think about it and remember that I want to do it anytime and all of the time.

Eating is great. That feeling when the empty pit of our stomach goes away and we are sated. I don't need anyone to remind me to do that, either. I don't need someone to remind me to breathe, love my kids, listen to crickets at night--none of the truly good things need reminders.

Meditation is okay. It is a good relaxation tool. If you want to tell me that you've had a spiritual experience from it, okay. I can dig it. But don't tell me that it's the 'knowlege' that I have been waiting for my whole life. Don't tell me that the meaning of my life is something some guy can teach me--HA! And don't tell me that it's so wonderful, but that I will forget it. I don't think so. I remain unconvinced.

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 20:00:12 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: Sounds like bullshit, doesn't it?
Message:
The interesting thing is that not once have I heard Maharaji say that satsang is for the purpose of reminding or inspiring premies to practice. Yet, premie after premie claims that's why they need Maharji. Maybe if they were listening more closely they would have heard that the real need for 'staying in touch' is to bathe in the master's 'clarity'. If that's so, it looks like it's still not clear to Mili why he needs his master. It's for clarity, Mili, clarity. Not inspiration. Not because you can't remember. Hey, try gingko biloba for that. Nigel says it works wonders.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 19:19:22 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: liverpool.ac.uk
To: Jerry
Subject: re. Gingko...
Message:
Actually, I'm not entirely sure about the stuff. Compared to other herbal things I have tried it is certainly the only one that has immediately had an effect on how I felt - it seemed I was more alert and energetic for one thing. On the day I first tried it I ended up writing a 1000 word essay in about one hour which otherwise would have taken much longer. But what is the effect, precisely? I'm not sure it isn't just a (very expensive) stimulant on a par with caffeine - but certainly no bad physical or psychological effects.

To test the possibility it was just a placebo thing I have tried overdosing on six times the recommended daily dose to see if it magnified the effect (it didn't) and also tried going without any on odd days to see if I felt any different (I didn't). Hmm...

I think I might try a 'blind' experiment taking both a course of Gingko Biloba and another of sugar pills, but setting it up so I don't know which was which until afterwards. Keep you posted...

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:01:00 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Sounds like bullshit, doesn't it?
Message:
God, you are hilarious, Jerry. Thanks for the laugh!
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 03:08:46 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: VP, you sound like a troubled loner (nt)
Message:
Common unity.
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 15:45:09 (GMT)
From: Q
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Maybe DD is a troubled loner...
Message:
Remember what M said about finger pointing.
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 15:47:02 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Q
Subject: You don't know how right you are!
Message:
See my response to Way, below.
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 16:35:19 (GMT)
From: Q
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: anyway...
Message:
I read your post. So what's your gig, Jim?
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 17:24:46 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Thanks, Jim,
Message:
Jim,

Thanks for the bit of info about DD, in the thread below. I really don't see how he could have read VP's post and had the reaction that he had. It certainly does seem like a classic case of ascribing to the other person the very thing you feel about yourself.

It seems to me that DD needs to relax.

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 13:15:22 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: I hope you're being sarcastic, DD...(nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 02:22:22 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Excellent Katie! Go to the head of the class (nt)
Message:
Comedy!
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 15:02:51 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: There needs to be an emoticon for sarcasm...
Message:
...it doesn't often come across well on the forum.
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 03:44:46 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Excellent Katie! Go to the head of the class (nt)
Message:
You old dog, you! You made a funny!
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 12:21:16 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: DD, you no-text no hoper...
Message:
This is a discussion forum. Heard that word 'discussion'? I am not surprised you like Mili since you styles are similar. Make a few ugly noises and split. The thing is criticism and even abuse might have their place in a discussion but if you want to win hearts and minds, make the exes look foolish or whatever... the general rule is to back up and explain your position. Why not try it?

Start here: why does VP sound like a 'troubled loner?'

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 08:05:21 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Question for you Dog.
Message:
Hi Dog,

What's the difference between a Premie and a Moonie?

(The best answer I've had from a Premie so far is, 'I've never met a Moonie so I don't know'.

I'm sure someone as in touch and realised as yourself can do better than that can't you?

Anth (who knows the difference)

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 03:18:33 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Answer for you Anth.
Message:
Anth,

What's the difference between a Premie and a Moonie? Ask 12 Moonies a question and you'll get 12 identicle answers.

Ask 12 premies a question and I'll bet you'll get at least 7 different answers. What does that prove? Premies think for themselves (at least most of them).

-- Dogg

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Date: Thurs, May 18, 2000 at 16:02:57 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: To DD:Wrong answer
Message:
DD,

A person who was recently an aspirant has posted here. She told the story of how she was invited to video events, attended a few, and then asked some questions about Knowledge to a few premies. They all gave the same response:

'Watch the videos. Listen to Maharaji. All your questions will be answered.'

The reason that premies responded in this way is that all premies who were actively involved in the video events were instructed specifically to respond in exactly this way. They are not even allowed to offer their own perspectives!

You seem to be unaware of the current situation that premies are in. You seem to have not had a Knowledge review lately. Again, all I can say is you don't seem very 'with it' as far as being a practicing premie goes.

Again, I am curious. Do you just do your own thing, or do you actually follow Rawat at all? Are you going to attend any program of the current North American tour? I, personally, would love to hear your reactions, if you did attend. I also would like to hear what you think about Rawat's speech that Jim posted yesterday. It's from March 2000, in the L.A. area. You can't really appreciate that drivel, can you?

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Date: Fri, May 19, 2000 at 13:38:27 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: To DD:Wrong answer
Message:
Way,

All I can say is that I know premies who are:
- left wing and right wing
- vegetarian and non-vegetarian
- orthodox and unorthodox
- totally into their careers and on welfare
- stable family people and wild and crazy clubbers
- strait and gay
- readers of scriptures and readers of novels
- devotional and non-devotional
- strict by-the-book meditators and now-and-then meditators
- well dressed and poorly dressed, the list goes on.

Maybe the aspirants are just toeing the line, parroting the party line to get Knowledge. I don't blame them.

I like Maharaji and I like Knowledge. I think that qualifies me as a practising premie.

If Knowledge is not your 'cup of tea' why not try something else. There are plenty of other things out there. It bothers me seeing people, good people, wasting their time whining and complaining. Pick up the pieces and get on with your life!

Get into zen, Eckankar, nude volleyball, spinach therapy, jogging on hot coals . . . something.

-- Dogg

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 23:12:35 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Question for you Anth
Message:
Hi Anth
What's the difference between an Ex-Premie and a Donkey?

I'm sure someone as in touch and realised as yourself can make the right answer?

B (who knows the difference)

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 08:56:27 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: B
Subject: The Answer
Message:
Hmmnnn,

Had to think about that one B.

I'd say Donkey's can't go on the internet because their hooves are too big to type with.

(They also have trouble doing the light technique, because they need three hooves, and tend to fall over before they get the third one up.)

Did I get it right?

What do you think the difference between a Premie and a Moonie is B?

Anth the Mammal

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 11:41:22 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: The Answer
Message:
Hi Anth

You wrote; 'I'd say Donkey's can't go on the internet because their hooves are too big to type with.'

You were pretty close, but I don't know if the Donkey or Ex-premies should be embarrased by your answer.

My answer would be; Donkeys are not exposing themselves for brainwashing.

Re your question: I replied your 'standard' question earlier. In my country there are no moonies. I never met a moonie, the only thing I know about them is that there is a pastor Moon and that moonies mass-marry in stadiums.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 14:01:13 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: B
Subject: You can do better than that B.
Message:
Yes, the standard premie answer- 'I don't know.'

You disappoint me B.

Come on, try harder, or you'll have to do year 48 again.

Anth the Teacher

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 18:51:59 (GMT)
From: B
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Can you do better Anth?
Message:
Please tell me the diffence between a premie and a lęstadianer?

May be you are a tiny bit ridiculus with your questions?

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Date: Fri, May 19, 2000 at 09:14:48 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: B
Subject: You're wriggling B
Message:
Come on B.

Answer my question honestly, without flim flam.

What do you think is the difference between a premie and a moonie?

What's ridiculous about that?

Anth the lęstadianer

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 10:09:30 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: AJW and B
Subject: What about, Ex-Premies are no longer donkeys......
Message:
....but donkeys still are?
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 03:18:05 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Deputy Dog , you sound like
Message:
you don't know what you are talking about.
If you knew me, you would know how HILARIOUS your title was.
Loner, if only!
Thanks for the chuckle:)
Now I'm off to have some sex...and not alone, I might add.
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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 03:38:25 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Deputy Dog , you sound like
Message:
DD, you are so funny, VP has just waxed on about the joys of his life--how much he loves his kids, enjoys sex with his wife, his appetites for the good life....

VP is the most untroubled person on this forum, IMO

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Date: Tues, May 16, 2000 at 05:26:28 (GMT)
From: eb
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: I've always had a major crush on VP NT
Message:
NT
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:24:05 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: eb
Subject: stand in line, VP rules ;) (nt)
Message:
hi there, eb, you ravishing thing you
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:44:38 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Women of the moonlodge rule, no doubt :)
Message:
Hi, eb and Helen.
You gals are making me blush--snicker.
But seriously, thanks for being so great, you women (hear you roar!) and all the ex-premies.

I think Nigel has it right. DD just didn't like what I had to say, but he couldn't give me any FACTS to dispute what I said, so he just decided to attack me personally. It's like the rabid dog stuck in the corner. He can't talk to tell you what is wrong, so he'll just growl at you and bite you if you threaten him.

I'm still snickering over the 'loner' part. Troubled? Well, who isn't? When I meet the untroubled I'll call him or her Jesus Christ, for sure-- Ha! Even their lousy guru has his problems. They are always defending him for his drinking and philandering, yet the minute I say I like life, I am troubled? Whatever...

On to more important things--a friend of mine's son was killed yesterday--18 years old. I just found out about it. She went to the hospital thinking he was hurt and when she got there, they told her that he was dead. I have been feeling pretty low about this, because she is a great person and I don't know how she will survive it. (First born and only son -she has a daughter who is 15) I have to go to the visitation tomorrow night, so if I'm not around, that is where I am and I'll talk to you on Friday.

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:54:31 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: Women of the moonlodge rule, no doubt :)
Message:
Very sorry to hear this VP . How wretched for a parent to ever have to see this day. They'd rather die in their child's place.Hope she has a lot of people to hold her up.
Take care
Helen
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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 00:55:32 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: VP
Subject: VP's MINE!
Message:
I saw him first!

Seriously, VP, I am very sorry about your friend. The loss of a child - at any age - is so hard to bear. I hope she is all right.

Love,
Katie

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Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 at 01:06:16 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: What will Brian say?snicker
Message:
Thanks, Katie.
It's very sad. She and her husband are both artist friends of mine--very cool and down to earth. Their lives will never be the same.
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