AJW -:- Bang-there goes another fridge. -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 13:27:48 (GMT)

__ Gail -:- Bang-there goes another fridge. -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 19:22:07 (GMT)

__ Don Quixote -:- Chasing shadows - or tilting at windmills? (nt) -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:38:50 (GMT)

__ Jean-Michel -:- Looks like Sir Dave's website's under fire !! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:22:18 (GMT)

__ __ blood -:- hope your site is ready for viewing! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:29:06 (GMT)

__ __ Selene -:- Looks like Sir Dave's website's under fire !! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:24:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Looks like Sir Dave's website's under fire !! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:49:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Selene -:- has anyone been in contact with him? -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:52:57 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- I have -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:41:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- give him my best -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 21:47:29 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- give him my best -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 21:52:04 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- I have -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 18:19:38 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- I have -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 18:23:59 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Miss Anything Goes -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:32:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Miss Anything Goes -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 16:27:11 (GMT)

Jim -:- Not bad, but a bit more Apprecation, darling -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:45:06 (GMT)

__ JW -:- Funny way of saying things .. like -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 17:22:51 (GMT)

__ __ Gail -:- Funny way of saying things .. like -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 20:29:30 (GMT)

__ __ __ jondon -:- Funny way of saying things .. like -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 20:45:36 (GMT)

Zelda -:- Law firm communicating by email? Mickey Mouse -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:29:18 (GMT)

Roger eDrek -:- Big Money Wins! House of Maharaji Drek is Gone -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:25:44 (GMT)

__ passing thru -:- Big Money Wins! House of Maharaji Drek is Gone -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 10:42:01 (GMT)

__ __ Jerry -:- Big Money Wins! House of Maharaji Drek is Gone -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 20:19:06 (GMT)

__ AJW -:- The Last Days of the Cult. -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 08:37:38 (GMT)

__ __ Fanny -:- When did you lose your ability to think -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 22:06:25 (GMT)

__ __ Roger eDrek -:- The Last Days of the Babble-On Cult. -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:53:41 (GMT)

__ blood -:- copy, paste, edit, mail, be creative -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 06:59:45 (GMT)

__ __ Nigel -:- Francis Wheen's email address? -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:58:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ Angry -:- Alert local press LOTU is coming -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 17:13:31 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ blood -:- Alert local press LOTU is coming.... links to two -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 17:36:00 (GMT)

__ __ blood -:- edited for corrections -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 14:10:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ ET -:- Sent it to Rick Ross, cult expert -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 19:20:10 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Lachlan and Sarah -:- Sent it to Brisbane Courier Mail (nt) -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:23:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ dont use that one -:- woops don't use that last one -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 14:14:32 (GMT)

__ __ jondon -:- copy, paste, edit, mail, be creative -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 12:10:34 (GMT)

__ __ __ blood -:- easy journalist locater -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 13:49:34 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ SB -:- easy journalist locater -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:07:53 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ blood -:- more... easy journalist locater -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 13:54:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ blood -:- more... easy journalist locater -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 13:56:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- more... easy big name journalist locater -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:07:26 (GMT)

__ la-ex -:- Big Money Wins! House of Maharaji Drek is Gone -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 04:09:45 (GMT)

__ Gregg -:- Big Money Wins! House of Maharaji Drek is Gone -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 03:01:06 (GMT)

__ __ AJW -:- So... -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 09:48:54 (GMT)

__ __ __ Coach -:- Yeah!!. -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 11:27:00 (GMT)

__ Katie -:- Big Money Wins! House of Maharaji Drek is Gone -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:30:11 (GMT)

__ __ Zelda -:- Katie- can you clean up this site to protect it? -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:34:31 (GMT)

__ __ __ Katie -:- Yeah, if they tell us what's the problem... -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:49:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ bb -:- Yeah, if they tell us what's the problem... -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 02:38:29 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Scully, the answer is out there -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 03:28:09 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Roger -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 09:52:20 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- I thought we were mad already... -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:34:33 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Scully -:- oh it all fits into place -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 05:17:17 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- What the hell is a 'copyright infringement?' -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 02:52:28 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- What the hell is a 'copyright infringement?' -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:16:38 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- And well it should make you angry... -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 13:28:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- Not just 'copyright infringement?' -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 06:34:17 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- and further to post below... -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 19:10:48 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- legal action and legal action... -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 10:57:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- and taking on the internet? -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:28:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ nige -:- and taking on the internet? -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 01:32:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nige -:- May 25th, not 5th (nt) -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 11:15:17 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Coach -:- May 25th, not 5th (SHOT)* -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 11:30:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- if that was coaching... -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:31:29 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ zelda -:- 'Paging Larry Flint' help us Oh Be Wan ! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 09:11:17 (GMT)

raina -:- you have cheerleaders. how nice for you...nt -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:04:55 (GMT)

__ raina -:- what makes someone's knowledge valuable? -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:09:41 (GMT)

__ __ Zelda -:- chill wittness -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 09:22:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ raina -:- oh no way! -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 14:58:05 (GMT)

__ __ you tell us -:- or shut the fuck up.. -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 01:55:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ raina -:- this is the same guy who's suggesting people not -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 02:32:56 (GMT)

Susan -:- JM's private photo gallery -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 22:09:57 (GMT)

__ Anonymous Character -:- JM's Site -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 03:13:51 (GMT)

__ __ cq -:- The cloning of the material in question -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:38:29 (GMT)

__ __ __ cq -:- EV says video events 'in public domain' -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:44:11 (GMT)

Mili -:- Funny Quips -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 21:38:40 (GMT)

__ newcomer -:- Funny Quips -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:18:21 (GMT)

__ __ Robyn -:- Funny Quips -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 16:30:56 (GMT)

JW (Joe Whalen) -:- Also OT might now be inappropriate -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 17:36:24 (GMT)

__ Helen -:- Also OT might now be inappropriate -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 02:46:28 (GMT)

__ __ Nigel -:- Also OT might now be inappropriate -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:04:26 (GMT)

__ __ JW -:- Sister Helen Wheels -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 17:25:31 (GMT)

__ __ __ Helen the flighty -:- JW/Nigel -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:00:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Joe -:- JW/Nigel -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:04:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Dr. Laura manifesto -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:19:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Dr. Laura manifesto -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:21:54 (GMT)

__ Katie -:- Agree with Joe, plus an OT alternative -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 18:20:59 (GMT)

__ __ Jim -:- Anyone seen 'Fight Club'? (ot) (nt) -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:34:47 (GMT)

__ __ __ raina -:- it must be worth seeing ?(nt) -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:50:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Raina may very well be.. -:- the mythical 'hairy George' of internet fame(nt) -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 10:24:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ raina -:- hairy like a Kong Kong Kong...... -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 14:43:36 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ raina -:- it must be worth seeing ?(nt) -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:02:57 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Daneane -:- How cute, Jim with a lil' shadow!!(nt) -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:56:36 (GMT)

__ Roger eDrek -:- Also OT might now be inappropriate -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 18:07:31 (GMT)

__ __ VP -:- Also OT might now be inappropriate -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 02:27:26 (GMT)

__ __ __ cq -:- A joke? As the policeman said to the mime artist: -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 18:09:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Actually, I prefer Nigel's Jesus joke -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 21:58:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- I wonder if this one's offensive? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 12:29:45 (GMT)

__ __ Katie -:- Rog, Maharaji is small potatoes -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 19:12:51 (GMT)

__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Maharaji, Rog is small potatoes -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 20:49:02 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Rog, a request -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:08:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Nevermind, Rog -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:54:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Miss Florida wannabee -:- the info should never have been on static -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 04:16:22 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Personal to Ms. Florida (ot) -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 06:26:34 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- What?! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 04:22:09 (GMT)

__ __ __ Monmot -:- Rog, Maharaji is small potatoes -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 19:19:13 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Nolite te bastardes carborundorum -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 19:26:21 (GMT)

cq -:- The copyright issue - what 'fair use' means -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 16:20:29 (GMT)

__ Douche -:- The copyright issue - what 'fair use' means -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 16:51:19 (GMT)

__ __ Roger eDrek -:- The copyright issue - what 'fair use' means -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 17:24:26 (GMT)

Jim -:- This might be a good time reconsider anonymity -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 15:35:12 (GMT)

__ raina -:- 050-57-8993 !!! -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 21:50:58 (GMT)

__ __ Jim -:- Raina, the magpie -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:36:17 (GMT)

__ __ __ raina -:- no shit! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:07:28 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Jim -:- no shit! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:50:28 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Well, Raina? What's the answer? -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 15:58:49 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- How cute that Jim thinks i'm here 4 him 24-7!! -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:05:37 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Forget Jim for a moment... -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 03:20:53 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- my liver handles the irony -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 03:42:11 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- What's 050-57-8993? -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 18:04:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- What's 050-57-8993? -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 22:47:26 (GMT)

__ __ Katie -:- Yer born in New England! -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 23:14:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ raina -:- i've jost posted some poor bloke's private i guess -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:33:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Well, he's probably dead, anyway... -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:26:37 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ raina -:- prison matron? -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:36:47 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- well, I HOPE so! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:51:55 (GMT)

__ Ghengis Khan -:- No chance!! -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 17:17:41 (GMT)

__ John Blood -:- I appreciate your position Jim -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 16:15:32 (GMT)

__ __ Nigel -:- That hasn't been my experience at all. -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 11:53:37 (GMT)

__ __ Katie -:- Anonymity, and lack thereof -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 18:46:59 (GMT)

__ __ __ Hal -:- Anonymity, and lack thereof -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 20:52:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ cq -:- Proof-reading, and lack thereof ... -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 19:04:52 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- 40% proof reading? -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:02:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Well that's Smirnoff for you (nt) -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 17:40:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Katie -:- I stand corrected! FA's please correct if you can. -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 19:18:43 (GMT)

__ __ Jerry -:- I appreciate your position Jim -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 17:29:44 (GMT)

__ __ __ John Blood -:- Thanks for your analysis -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 17:56:22 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Jerry -:- You're welcome -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 18:37:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ blood -:- You're welcome -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 20:46:03 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- You're welcome -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 13:28:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Anne -:- You're welcome -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 21:27:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Don't let anyone bully you here -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 02:58:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- God, you're insufferable, Helen! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 15:47:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Anne -:- God, you're insufferable, Helen! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:28:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- God, you're insufferable, Helen! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:55:24 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- I meant the harsh threatning energy can hurt -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 19:36:50 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- quick apres-pub reply... -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:51:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- 'scuse me - negative energy? -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:47:19 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- have a couple more for me Nig! -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:58:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- I just did.. was that wise..? -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 02:38:24 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- well look at it this way -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 03:27:10 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- nigel, I disagree -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 19:18:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- nigel, I disagree -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 19:24:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- God almighty, it's like a nightmare! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:11:13 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gErRy -:- Come see come saw the world, eh Burt? -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:35:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- me too!! straight A's and I hung out with all -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 22:17:48 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Wow! Really? I bet you even have a black leather -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:56:31 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- no Jim got biker neighbors that is bad enough -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 01:00:02 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- And I should care about this because????? -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 22:11:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Good idea! -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 02:22:53 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Good idea! -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 20:47:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- You're welcome -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:01:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Thanks for your post, Anne -:- Wed, May 24, 2000 at 23:11:28 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ VP -:- Thanks for your post, Anne -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 03:48:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- VP Rules! -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 04:19:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- VP Rules! -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 20:51:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Why VP Rules -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 22:06:30 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Anne -:- Thanks for your post, Anne -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:01:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gErRy -:- The Illusion of 'Free Will' -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:16:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cOsMiC gErRy -:- this is kinda funny... -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:57:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ GERRY -:- don't tell me your real name is.... -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:03:03 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- don't tell me your real name is.... -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:54:49 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- I knew it!!! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:05:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- guess again?? -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:25:20 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- I lived in State College -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:28:59 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ hamzen -:- I do too -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 20:20:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- shhh don't tell them... -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 22:22:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Well I care, dammit !!! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:42:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- thanks Gerry I care about you too -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:53:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- as in Pennsylvania? -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 17:07:15 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ GeRrY -:- as in Pennsylvania? -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:19:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- as in Pennsylvania? -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 22:06:09 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Were you ever at COLL? -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 19:03:03 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- No, Joe I was never there. -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 20:32:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- wish it had been me - oops!! -:- Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:24:29 (GMT)

Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 13:27:48 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Bang-there goes another fridge. Message:

Although we are only a handful of bitter, twisted internet nerds, struggling to come to terms with wasting time, energy and money in a tacky little Hindu Guru-cult, we are having an effect way beyond expectations. Maharaji and his brain-dead advisors continue to make one mistake after another. You would have expected, after the atrocious way they handled the Jagdeo paedophile allegations, and the subsequent botched cover-up, (trying to pretend Elan Vital had nothing to do with Divine Light Mission, trying to pretend Maharaji knew nothing about it, etc) they would have learned to think before they squeezed the trigger. But no, they live in a different world. When the Living Lord is amongst you, you have a different perspective. In spite of all the wishful remarks from premies, telling us that the ‘Lord of the Universe’ days are ancient history, this really isn’t the case. Maharaji, and those premies around him, are all still quite certain, as is Maharaji himself, that he is the “Living Perfect Master”, just like Jesus and Buddha. This belief is like a 2 metre high refrigerator that you have to carry around with you wherever you go. It’s extremely impractical, uncomfortable, gets in the way and stops you thinking straight. The belief is also the cult’s Achilles heel. It makes them blind to the big picture. I remember last summer, when we started to publicise Jagdeo’s international paedophilic tours, paid for by the cult. I received a letter threatening legal action, if I suggested that Maharaji knew anything about what Jagdeo was up to. At the time, I hadn’t even considered whether he knew or not. It wasn’t an issue. But after Elan vital had raised the matter, it came to light that he probably was well aware of what Jagdeo was up to, and did absolutely nothing about it. And here they are, shooting themselves in the foot again. Their action, in trying to hide Maharaji’s embarrassing past, raises some questions. What are they trying to hide and why are they trying to hide it? Why are they scared of people knowing what Maharaji did and said in the past? Do they think that a few letters from an expensive law firm, to a few ISPs will make us pack up and go home? Do they think we’ll be intimidated by such pathetic threats. Maharaji isn’t the only one embarrassed by his past. I'm embarrased by my past too. But history shows us that the truth will out in the end. I’m trying to come to terms with my wasted years at the feet of the imperfect master. Maybe Maharaji should do the same. He needs to understand that he isn’t God walking around on Earth. He’s human and fallible, like the rest of us. The yoga techniques that his dad taught him are not an experience of the innermost soul. They’re just old yoga techniques. God does not taste of snot and sound like falling earwax. He also needs to understand that every time he tries to bully an ISP into closing a site because it breaches copyright, the information on that site will merely appear somewhere else. He’s spending a lot of money chasing shadows, and he’s never going to catch them. So Jean-Michel, Brian, Kate, Roger eDrek, Sir Dave and the Forum Elves, well done. Keep up the good work, you’ve got the hamster rattled and he’s starting to twitch. Anth the Sue Me Next Please.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 19:22:07 (GMT) From: Gail Email: None To: AJW Subject: Bang-there goes another fridge. Message:

Well said, Anthony! What is he hiding? Imagine--the Lord of the Universe is afraid as his past catches up with him. If he really were the Lord, what in the universe could possibly frighten him?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:38:50 (GMT) From: Don Quixote Email: None To: AJW Subject: Chasing shadows - or tilting at windmills? (nt) Message:

Chasing shadows - or tilting at windmills? (nt)

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:22:18 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: AJW Subject: Looks like Sir Dave's website's under fire !! Message:

But here's some interesting stuff I've picked up from his website !! Jagdeo paedophile allegations I guess EV's lawyers are now going to sue me for defaming the Lard of the Universe ....

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:29:06 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: hope your site is ready for viewing! Message:

About three dozen news agencies so far have been apprised of the goings on and referred to you site for specifics. Let's see if anyone is going to pick up on it.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:24:56 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Looks like Sir Dave's website's under fire !! Message:

What? EV contacted Sir Dave?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:49:08 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Selene Subject: Looks like Sir Dave's website's under fire !! Message:

His website at Geocityies is not online anymore .....

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:52:57 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: has anyone been in contact with him? Message:

JM I just send you email I am trying to 'work' at my job, but am also working for us. so... anyway, just send email, meant only as a very very first suggestion. much more to come, stay tuned!

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:41:35 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Selene Subject: I have Message:

He's retiring from the whole ex-premie scene for a while, after a long and honorable career, I might add.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 21:47:29 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Katie Subject: give him my best Message:

He is a great guy.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 21:52:04 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Selene Subject: give him my best Message:

Selene, I know he'd love to hear from you too - in fact he'd love to hear from all his gopis (don't tell Brian I said that!). Love, Katie

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 18:19:38 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Katie Subject: I have Message:

Dear Katie, I am so glad someone has been in touch. I wanted to call him but have to wait until Tuesday to have my phone plan to England back in place after disconnecting my main phone number. Love, Robyn

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 18:23:59 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Robyn Subject: I have Message:

Well, the guy deserves a major break after busting his ass putting up websites for the last year or so. But I'm sure he'd love to hear from you, Robyn - as always!

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:32:45 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Miss Anything Goes Message:

After all, Robyn, you were voted Miss Anything goes! Remember that? Was that not hysterical? You and Jim were the runners up or something?

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 16:27:11 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Helen Subject: Miss Anything Goes Message:

Helen, I forgot about that! :) Yes, I won and Jim was runner up! Too funny! :) I sure hope Sir is ok. Love, Robyn

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:45:06 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Not bad, but a bit more Apprecation, darling Message:

From ELK: Magdeline Pereira: Little drops of mercy From Eureka, California I had an opportunity to watch the satellite event last Saturday of Maharaji in Santa Monica. I'm continually touched by the beauty and originality of all the transmissions. I noticed that during the live events I attend, even though I'm having an exceptionally good time; I don't really hear every little drop of what my beloved master says. When he showed us the techniques I was so amazed how surrendered he is to the feeling inside. His face is so clear and pure like a beautiful gardenia that grows in every yard in Malaysia. Helping out at a Knowledge session in Borneo I remember people coming out after practising and looking so mellow and so sweet. I enjoyed the Santa Monica event and was ecstatic after the broadcast. Marolyn's voice-over of the excerpts from Maharaji's event in San Francisco in 1971 when Maharaji was only 13, blew my mind. Such beautiful opportunities to express how sweet and tender his gift has allowed us to become and be. Marolyn's voice was so soothing and so kind.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 17:22:51 (GMT) From: JW Email: None To: Jim Subject: Funny way of saying things .. like Message:

His face is so clear and pure like a beautiful gardenia that grows in every yard in Malaysia. Yes, but what about the ones in the front yards, what the hell is wrong with them? And what about those baggy, puffy eyes? What part of the Gardenia, do they reflect. I enjoyed the Santa Monica event and was ecstatic after the broadcast. I wonder how Magdeline manifested her ecstacy. The mind boggles just trying to imagine.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 20:29:30 (GMT) From: Gail Email: None To: JW Subject: Funny way of saying things .. like Message:

Maharaji mentioned the joys of plastic surgery a few years back [how you could fix or replace just about anything]. Maybe he'll consider the knife, himself--afterall, he is in show business and must keep up appearances. Remember the dog groomer ad: Guru's dogs done here. Imagine the plastic surgeon's ad: Many famous people come to our clinic--even the LOTU.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 20:45:36 (GMT) From: jondon Email: None To: Gail Subject: Funny way of saying things .. like Message:

I believe he has already started with some sort of Donald Trump rakeover with his hair. There is an ever-enlarging yarmulke of flesh appearing in the back nine.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:29:18 (GMT) From: Zelda Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Law firm communicating by email? Mickey Mouse Message:

It would seem that a law firm would at least send a letter. Could this be a scamola?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:25:44 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Big Money Wins! House of Maharaji Drek is Gone Message:

Roger's House of Maharaji Drek is dead and you will get this notice: This site is offline until further notice. The wake will be held Saturday, May 27, at 3:00 p.m. at: Lost and Found Saloon 1353 Grant Avenue San Francisco 94133 (415) 675-5996 All guns must be checked at the door. Statistics from the House of Maharaji Drek are as follows: 6887 visitors -221 (representing the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost) ---- 6666 The Quizlet Q: Which of the following best describes Maharaji? (of 823 respondents) 12% Teacher of Meditation 45% Master 1% Humanitarian Leader 4% God Incarnate 33% Fraud 5% Don't Know Fuck you, Bob Jacobs! Fuck you, Maharaji! You sleazy greasy spoiled illiterate slime ball I'll be back with more power than ever! This is not over yet! You've just made a big mistake fatboy.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 10:42:01 (GMT) From: passing thru Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Big Money Wins! House of Maharaji Drek is Gone Message:

Dear Roger, I'm sorry to see your site go. I've been a happy devotee of M since 1972 and enjoyed the 'past' you dug up. The old Lord of the Universe photos and the early fire and brimstone satsangs brought up so many great memories of the good old days. We were all pretty outrageous. PT

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 20:19:06 (GMT) From: Jerry Email: None To: passing thru Subject: Big Money Wins! House of Maharaji Drek is Gone Message:

Dear Roger, I'm sorry to see your site go. Blame it on fatboy, passing thru. It was his idea. Why don't you send him an email? Maybe he'll change his mind.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 08:37:38 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: The Last Days of the Cult. Message:

Hi Roger, This is another disasterous move by the cult. Being as web space is free, and providers are competing for our websites, why don't we set up the House of Drek, and any other sites the cult tries to close, with many different providers. The rates the Lard's lawyers charge to write a letter will be a drain on the cults funds. Also, if we can somehow start a dialogue with the lawyers, the money will haemorage out of the cult. Those bastards charge you $100 every time they fart. We could ask, for example, what the offensive material is. They are demonstrating how much under their skin we've got. The fools. The days of the cult are numbered. Anth the Sue Me Too Please

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 22:06:25 (GMT) From: Fanny Email: None To: AJW Subject: When did you lose your ability to think Message:

nt

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:53:41 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: None To: AJW Subject: The Last Days of the Babble-On Cult. Message:

We could ask, for example, what the offensive material is The problem with that is it is all offensive to them. In the eye of the beholder so to speak. No, it's the alleged copyright infringement card they are playing. However, under the fair use doctrine it is 'protected speech.'

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 06:59:45 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: copy, paste, edit, mail, be creative Message:

Lord of the Universe Cult Silences Opposition on World Wide Web May 26, 2000 Springfield, Virginia The self proclaimed “Living Perfect Master” of 1970’s notoriety now uses the millions he has acquired through his non-profit organizations to live a lavish lifestyle while a legion of California lawyers silence his opposition. From his well appointed Malibu mansion the individual who currently calls himself the 'Maharaji' or 'greatest king' and who operates a non-profit organization currently named Elan Vital retained the prestigious Los Angeles law firm Millbank, Tweed, Hadley, and McCloy LLP to file copyright infringement letters with several Internet Service Providers which hosted websites carrying views opposing those of the Lord Guru Ji and his organization. Guru Maharaji or Lord of the Universe is also know as Prem Rawat, Master, Living Perfect Master, Perfect Master, Lord, Prem Pal Sing Rawat, Sat Guru, Guru ji, Guru dev, etc. was last seen in the press in the early 70s when a prankster threw a pie in his face during a visit to Detroit. Shortly after the incident one of the Guru Lord Maharaji’s zealous followers proceeded to beat the pie thrower with a frying pan. This time the Lord of the Universe may be throwing a pie in his own face by launching a legal attack against his opposition. This man is attempting to distance himself from his old profession as Lord of the Universe by taking on the guise of a simple meditation teacher. He has attempted to shake off the old image yet still claims copyright ownership of embarrassing material which show him wearing great jeweled crowns while people kiss his feet. The opposition websites have provided the complete story including these pictures from the 70s. Apparently these images are the cause of the vehement legal attack against the websites which freely providing information in a humanitarian effort to educate potential victims about the dangers of involvement with this Sat Guru Lord Maharaji etc. individual. This Guru, Lord, Master, Sat Guru has operated secretly while maintaining a high level of security around himself for the past 29 years. During these years his name has remained out of the Press while he has built a number of non-profit organizations including, Divine Light Mission (DLM), Divine United Organization (DUO), Elan Vital to capitalize on his 'knowledge' and 'grace'. Ironically even with his proclaimation that 'Guru is Greater than God' he has been able to remain out of the Press Promising a “knowledge” to individuals who were willing to devote their lives to him, he has managed acquire an huge asset base protected behind layers upon layer of corporations while maintaining tax free status with the IRS. The “knowledge” turns out to be four yoga techniques which have been around for centuries, but, he insists that it is the “grace of the master” (that is his 'grace') which makes these techniques work. In order to receive the “grace” total devotion is expected. This total devotion includes frequent donations or “service' to the master.” “Leave no room for doubt in your mind” has been one of the five commandments of the Guru. The Guru encourages those that want to experience the greatest enjoyment in life not to listen to their own minds. There do not appear to be any humanitarian efforts which have ever been undertaken by any of the non-profit organizations which the “Guru”, “Lord” operates with the exception of a few prison visits and similar efforts by loyal followers during the 1970s who were trying to do “service” in that way. This type of service was quickly canceled, however, with the explanation that the “Lord was beginning to need airplanes and cars and homes in order to bring Peace to the World and house his family. This Guru, Lord of the Universe, Sat Guru declared that he would establish peace. In the mean time he had a major falling out with his own mother and siblings where were also presented as “Divine Incarnations” here to help with the project of bringing peace to the Planet. At age 16 the Sat Guru, Lord of the Universe married an American woman who was a follower. This insured US citizenship for the Lord. This person who calls himself the Maharaji has managed to acquire tremendous wealth, purchase a number of properties, and travel on whim in his privately owned aircraft while his former followers attempt to heal from his mind control techniques. He somehow manages to stay one step ahead of the scrutiny of the press at the tremendous expense of those people who seek his so-called “knowledge.” Currently, this person who calls himself the Maharaji has started a campaign to silence the Internet Sites which have been set up to alert the unwary. The sites which have been shut down are in the United States and in France. The Internet Service Providers including Yahoo’s Geocities received very threatening letters stating that the sites carried copyrighted material. Apparently the threatening letters from Millbank, Tweed, Hadley, and McCloy LLP did not state exactly which portions of the websites were purportedly copyright infringement. Apparently the letters did not state the name of the owner of the copyright. The specifics of the purported copyright infringement and the concept of “fair use” were apparently not considered by the Internet Service Providers who quickly took the sites down upon receipt of the threatening letters from Millbank, Tweed, Hadley, and McCloy LLP. The individuals who created these sites opposing the Guru Maharaji were presenting among other things: 1. histories, experiences and accounts of abuse in the organizations which the Guru operated 2. the methods for healing from the effects the organization’s mind control and brainwashing, 3.warnings to others including pictures to identify the Maharaji individual 4. parodies of the Guru Maharaji It is unknown where the Guru Lord Maharaji will attack next with his army of lawyers but current accounting of the story is being kept at http://perso.club-internet.fr/jmkahn/index.html In the event that all of the informational sites about the Maharaji cult are shut down. Stick around for a while. They will reappear soon in all of the search engines when you type in Maharaji.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:58:23 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: blood Subject: Francis Wheen's email address? Message:

Didn't somebody have it? (FW is a very well-known Guardian columnist, who appreciated our info last summer when he was dealing with EV's last and very limp legal threat.) With the 'silly season' just coming up, I am sure he might find space in his Wednesday column. Anybody? (Perhaps don't post it on the forum, though. Don't want to risk accidentally spamming any potential allies.)

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 17:13:31 (GMT) From: Angry Email: None To: all Subject: Alert local press LOTU is coming Message:

Don't forget, HE is coming to Boston(JUNE 12),Toronto( JUNE 14) and Alexandria, VA in D.C. area(JUNE 18). Since HE is now taking such an aggressive approach towards his enemies and obviously has nothing to hide or be ashamed of, I'm sure THE SPEAKER would love to address the local media.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 17:36:00 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: Angry Subject: Alert local press LOTU is coming.... links to two Message:

Boston Globe Feedback Washington Post

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 14:10:00 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: blood Subject: edited for corrections Message:

Lord of the Universe Cult Silences Opposition on World Wide Web May 26, 2000 Springfield, Virginia The self proclaimed “Living Perfect Master” of 1970’s notoriety now uses the millions he has acquired through his non-profit organizations to live a lavish lifestyle while a legion of California lawyers silence his opposition. From his well appointed Malibu mansion the individual who currently calls himself the 'Maharaji' or 'greatest king' and who operates a non-profit organization currently named Elan Vital retained the prestigious Los Angeles law firm Millbank, Tweed, Hadley, and McCloy LLP to file copyright infringement letters with several Internet Service Providers which hosted websites carrying views opposing those of the Lord Guru Ji and his organization. Guru Maharaji or Lord of the Universe is also know as Prem Rawat, Master, Living Perfect Master, Perfect Master, Lord, Prem Pal Sing Rawat, Sat Guru, Guru ji, Guru dev, etc. was last seen in the press in the early 70s when a prankster threw a pie in his face during a visit to Detroit. Shortly after the incident one of the Guru Lord Maharaji’s zealous followers proceeded to beat the pie thrower with a frying pan. This time the Lord of the Universe may be throwing a pie in his own face by launching a legal attack against his opposition. This man is attempting to distance himself from his old profession as Lord of the Universe by taking on the guise of a simple meditation teacher. He has attempted to shake off the old image yet still claims copyright ownership of embarrassing material which show him wearing great jeweled crowns while people kiss his feet. The opposition websites have provided the complete story including these pictures from the 70s. Apparently these images are the cause of the vehement legal attack against the websites which freely providing information in a humanitarian effort to educate potential victims about the dangers of involvement with this Sat Guru Lord Maharaji etc. individual. This Guru, Lord, Master, Sat Guru has operated secretly while maintaining a high level of security around himself for the past 29 years. During these years his name has remained out of the Press while he has built a number of non-profit organizations including, Divine Light Mission (DLM), Divine United Organization (DUO), Elan Vital to capitalize on his 'knowledge' and 'grace'. Ironically even with his proclaimation that 'Guru is Greater than God' he has been able to remain out of the Press Promising a “knowledge” to individuals who were willing to devote their lives to him, he has managed acquire an huge asset base protected behind layers upon layer of corporations while maintaining tax free status with the IRS. The “knowledge” turns out to be four yoga techniques which have been around for centuries, but, he insists that it is the “grace of the master” (that is his 'grace') which makes these techniques work. In order to receive the “grace” total devotion is expected. This total devotion includes frequent donations or “service' to the master.” “Leave no room for doubt in your mind” has been one of the five commandments of the Guru. The Guru encourages those that want to experience the greatest enjoyment in life not to listen to their own minds. There do not appear to be any humanitarian efforts which have ever been undertaken by any of the non-profit organizations which the “Guru”, “Lord” operates with the exception of a few prison visits and similar efforts by loyal followers during the 1970s who were trying to do “service” in that way. This type of service was quickly canceled, however, with the explanation that the “Lord was beginning to need airplanes and cars and homes in order to bring Peace to the World and house his family. This Guru, Lord of the Universe, Sat Guru declared that he would establish peace. In the mean time he had a major falling out with his own mother and siblings who were also presented as “Divine Incarnations” here to help with the project of bringing peace to the Planet. At age 16 the Sat Guru, Lord of the Universe married an American woman who was a follower. This insured US citizenship for the Lord. This person who calls himself the Maharaji has managed to acquire tremendous wealth, purchase a number of properties, and travel on whim in his privately owned aircraft while his former followers attempt to heal from his mind control techniques. He somehow manages to stay one step ahead of the scrutiny of the press at the tremendous expense of those people who seek his so-called “knowledge.” Currently, this person who calls himself the Maharaji has started a campaign to silence the Internet Sites which have been set up to alert the unwary. The sites which have been shut down are in the United States and in France. The Internet Service Providers including Yahoo’s Geocities received very threatening letters stating that the sites carried copyrighted material. Apparently the threatening letters from Millbank, Tweed, Hadley, and McCloy LLP did not state exactly which portions of the websites were purportedly copyright infringement. Apparently the letters did not state the name of the owner of the copyright. The specifics of the purported copyright infringement and the concept of “fair use” were apparently not considered by the Internet Service Providers who quickly took the sites down upon receipt of the threatening letters from Millbank, Tweed, Hadley, and McCloy LLP. The individuals who created these sites opposing the Guru Maharaji were presenting among other things: 1. histories, experiences and accounts of abuse in the organizations which the Guru operated 2. the methods for healing from the effects the organization’s mind control and brainwashing, 3.warnings to others including pictures to identify the Maharaji individual 4. parodies of the Guru Maharaji It is unknown where the Guru Lord Maharaji will attack next with his army of lawyers but current accounting of the story is being kept at http://perso.club-internet.fr/jmkahn/index.html In the event that all of the informational sites about the Maharaji cult are shut down. Stick around for a while. They will reappear soon in all of the search engines when you type in Maharaji.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 19:20:10 (GMT) From: ET Email: None To: blood Subject: Sent it to Rick Ross, cult expert Message:

I sent a copy of your press release to Rick Ross, exit councilor and cult expert. See http://www.rickross.com

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:23:05 (GMT) From: Lachlan and Sarah Email: None To: ET Subject: Sent it to Brisbane Courier Mail (nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 14:14:32 (GMT) From: dont use that one Email: None To: blood Subject: woops don't use that last one Message:

getting tired

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 12:10:34 (GMT) From: jondon Email: None To: blood Subject: copy, paste, edit, mail, be creative Message:

This is a good copy to send to Howie Carr. I will get it to him today. I am going to send him a bunch of stuff on M. Howie Carr is a syndicated Radio show based outta Boston. He should love this stuff. If we can get him to do a segment on M and/or other cults it could bring some attention to the fact that the Lord of the Universe is in town. I believe his email address is: howiecarr@mindsprign.com I will confirm later today.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 13:49:34 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: jondon Subject: easy journalist locater Message:

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:07:53 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: blood Subject: easy journalist locater Message:

Hi! Now WE need to globalize the juicy news!! I bet one thing that worries him VERY MUCH -and his troop- is the fact that the Spanish Forum is growing and that it has been stated there that few people are working on the translation of all the important incriminating documents that JM has exposed; this will be a complete disaster for his businness!! All the Latinoamerican countries are going to begin to learn his little secrets... People will begin to learn a side of him which can be very demaging for the cult. Years a go Maharaji was banned from Argentina and premies had to gather in secret. There were this twin young girls living in an Buenos Aires' ashram and their father, a politician, contacted the media and also sued Maharaji who had to pay some money to the girls, or the father- I don't remember 'the rumor' well, was long a go- and contacting the media in Argentina NOW can be very interesting, because I assure you, they will love the juicy story! It was a big thing there and the magazine Gente -like People here - had a center article SEVERAL PAGES LONG, with pictures of premies doing service and more, with their eyes covered by a black band to cover their identity, and it was very bad for him, I left short after. Mahalard has his record there!! I know who can take care of contacting the media there. Is just a matter of time....hehehehehe... You are correct: They made a big mistake: They gave us reasons to MOVE ON NOW!!! Yes, they are very silly stupid, especially, because they would get a lot of attention, in part for all the recent CULT stuff around the globe. What about the media of Latinoamerican countries where lots of his followers live??? The media will be interested because there are web sites of Elan Vital where they can be directed and there is proof that Maharaji is dupping 'their people': Those websites point to all the countries where he is represented!!! He is very 'popular' in those places... I think is a good idea. Love your posts!! Regards, SB

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 13:54:12 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: blood Subject: more... easy journalist locater Message:

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 13:56:45 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: blood Subject: more... easy journalist locater Message:

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:07:26 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: blood Subject: more... easy big name journalist locater Message:

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 04:09:45 (GMT) From: la-ex Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Big Money Wins! House of Maharaji Drek is Gone Message:

I have a question-can we protest the m sites, as they are patently false,have edited peoples journeys,promoted numerous lies and promote bad poetry? Can we threaten their webserver with a possible suit and get them off the net?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 03:01:06 (GMT) From: Gregg Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Big Money Wins! House of Maharaji Drek is Gone Message:

Thanks, ReD, for yr ultravaluable site. I see it is now illegal to print the truth. (Of course, I know, things are more complicated than that.) Anyway, as you know, many of us are happy that the Guru has decided to actively suppress the truth about who He is and what He has proclaimed. Either Rawat is the Lord or he isn't. If he is, or even if he is merely a humanitarian leader, what would he be doing right now? Having his lawyers sue people who tell others that he has claimed to be the Lord? Sad. As someone suggested earlier today, he should just re-don his Krishna outfit and hole up with his true devotees, those balding LSD survivors.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 09:48:54 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Gregg Subject: So... Message:

...what have you got against balding LSD survivors Gregg? Anth the Psychedelically Thin on Top

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 11:27:00 (GMT) From: Coach Email: None To: AJW Subject: Yeah!!. Message:

Right on, Timothy Leary, man. The sites should go to Russia, or even better, Latvia. North Korea? The ISP's that hold the crack (no, not the Peruvian marchin' powder) sites would probably be more helpful. Slightly thinnin' not half as bad as Anth, Coach

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:30:11 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Big Money Wins! House of Maharaji Drek is Gone Message:

Hi Roger - Any details? Letters, etc.? Inquiring minds want to know (and of course to put it on line, if possible!) IMHO, this is the WORST PR move that M has ever made. EVERYONE liked the 'Red Nighty', and most people liked the rest of your site as well - even premies! Take care, Rog - wish I could be there - Love, Katie

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:34:31 (GMT) From: Zelda Email: None To: Katie Subject: Katie- can you clean up this site to protect it? Message:

nt

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:49:14 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Zelda Subject: Yeah, if they tell us what's the problem... Message:

...in the first place! Honestly, I think Roger's, and J-M's, and David/Douche's, and Sir David's servers should have done that before they took the sites off-line. We're doing our best here, Zelda - 24-7 with time off to do our real world jobs, of course :). Take care - Katie

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 02:38:29 (GMT) From: bb Email: None To: Katie Subject: Yeah, if they tell us what's the problem... Message:

Cant Drekmaster go and run it through some other country?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 03:28:09 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: None To: bb Subject: Scully, the answer is out there Message:

Actually, I have never yet watched an entire episode of the X-Files from start to finish. But I have seen the raging Victoria, B.C. band, the X-Flies play at Thursdays. You should have seen them groupie chicks! Seriously, the answer is out there and there is Educause and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. Also, check out the Electronic Frontier Foundation Check out EFF's offsite links Yeah, understand the law and play by the rules. I can tell you that much because that is what I'm doing right now. I must confess that I find the abuse of process as being done by Maharaji's lawyers (Milbank, Tweed, and Hadley) to be more abhorrent than Maharaji himself as he sits in his house on the hill with his fat bloated belly full of expensive cognac. I can just imagine that ignorant, pompous, egocentric totalitarian private investor renaissance man thinking that he just scored big by knocking down our websites. Sorry, Prem, but we are going to fight you as much as we can with whatever limited resources we have. And, yeah right, Prem, who the hell are we? We were just the dust at your feet who dared to start thinking for ourselves. Who started chit-chatting amongst ourselves and began putting together the fact that all was not well in the paradise that you were designing for us at our expense in more ways than just money. Dance, dance, dance!

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 09:52:20 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Roger Message:

...don't those tits belong to Xavier Hollander? Be careful she might sue for breach of copyright. Anth the Just Wait Till We Get Mad

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:34:33 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: AJW Subject: I thought we were mad already... Message:

I am! :)))) SB

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 05:17:17 (GMT) From: Scully Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: oh it all fits into place Message:

Didn't want to go to Educause this year. Fought it. said it wasn't technical, waste of money. Nashville? yuck. now I know. I'll try to set policy. Selene

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 02:52:28 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: bb Subject: What the hell is a 'copyright infringement?' Message:

Hi Bill - I think it's all our collective bad karma coming down on us - probably because you were disrespectful to the Lord of Music that one time :). Seriously, rather than take the sites offshore, which I'm sure could be done, I'd rather find out EXACTLY what these supposed 'copyright infringements' are, and what steps to take to remedy them. There is NO WAY that Roger's whole site (for example 'Red Nighty' or 'Best of'), or David/Douche's whole site, or Sir David's whole site is a 'copyright infringement'. Neither is ex-premie.org - Brian, David, and I wrote almost all of it, and the rest of you wrote most of the rest! Can you tell this makes me angry? How about a re-run of New York Chocolate Chunk or MaryClaire in the gay bar to cheer us all up? Take care, Bill - and we're still counting on you to send us one of those malas from your storage bin! (I'm kidding!) Love, Katie

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:16:38 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Katie Subject: What the hell is a 'copyright infringement?' Message:

It's most likely to be the pictures that the great and all-powerful Lard objects to. So - the answer is simple - a black bar over his face with the words 'Maharaji does not want his face shown here' or something to that effect. If, however you have pictures of him that are NOT the copyright of Elan Vital/Divine Light Mission - perhaps ones you've taken yourself - then there can be no legal reason why you should be prevented from posting them on a website. Maybe even SatPal has a few he might like us to be using! Have you got an email address for him? PS That Indian court case back in the 70s - didn't Mata ji claim rights to DLM material? In which case the copyright on the early photos is surely contested? No?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 13:28:39 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: Katie Subject: And well it should make you angry... Message:

Hi Katie, I notice there hasn't been a whisper of 'libel' or 'defamation', so far. Wouldn't you say that was a VERY interesting omission..? - One that kind of confirms my suspicion that this is all a big game of 'chicken' with no serious intention of raising any kind of court action. Unless I have missed something...

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 06:34:17 (GMT) From: Mel Bourne Email: None To: Katie Subject: Not just 'copyright infringement?' Message:

Hi Katie, Why be angry? You and the others have known that this happening has been a possibility for a long time now, indeed, it’s been discussed at length on this Forum over the last year or two, so why the surprise? I suppose it really boils down to the typical blinkered ex-premie thinking that Maharaji or Elan Vital would be too scared to do anything about the “ex” sites, and that any legal action would simply not materialise. This reminds me of the “ex” delusional propaganda that he would never set up his own website or allow premies to set up theirs, (remember that “ex” bullshit?) I guess a rude awakening is better than none at all! Mel

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 19:10:48 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: None To: Mel Bourne Subject: and further to post below... Message:

This reminds me of the “ex” delusional propaganda that he would never set up his own website or allow premies to set up theirs, (remember that “ex” bullshit?) The ex bullshit you are misremembering pertains to sites where people (premies or exes) may talk openly about their experiences. Still hasn't happened, and ain't going to. Is that really delusional propaganda? Really? Don't forget this is a cult you are in.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 10:57:27 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: Mel Bourne Subject: legal action and legal action... Message:

Mel: Of course 'maharaji' is shit scared of action in the courts. Can you really see him standing up in the dock as a witness and being forced to talk about his past? A man who has never answered to anyone - probably not even 'mataji'? Come on... Imagine someone like Jim cross-examining him. As a member of the public watching, would you trust 'maharaji' to give a confident account of himself or would you merely wince with embarrassment at his replies? What he's doing at present is mere legal bullying tactics, trying to put up a defensive shield to prevent the likelihood of further damaging truths coming to light - and it ain't going to work. The exes are NOT going to go away. They have the moral high ground on just about any issue raised on the ex sites and will cheerfully tell their stories to anyone willing to listen... If 'maharaji' carries on like he is doing at present, they will probably be telling their stories to the national press. I am thinking of penning one myself. Three websites threatened already... the human interest value rises with every site shut down..! Yeah, I'll see which UK papers I can get interested. Even the computer trade rags might be a good starting point. Where's my pen...? Do you want to come back in twelve months time and tell us you were right about the way things are shaping up? About who had the 'rude awakening'? May 5, 2001? (I'll be here. Will you? OK, see you then...)

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:28:23 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Nigel Subject: and taking on the internet? Message:

I hope he does!!

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 01:32:27 (GMT) From: nige Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: Selene Subject: and taking on the internet? Message:

...and I guess we'll see how all-powerful all-powerful really is when push comes to do whatever push comes to do... M will be a fragment in some people's memory. It is almost a sad thought. Nige the shedding big tears already.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 11:15:17 (GMT) From: Nige Email: None To: Nigel Subject: May 25th, not 5th (nt) Message:

I'll be here.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 11:30:14 (GMT) From: Coach Email: None To: Nige Subject: May 25th, not 5th (SHOT)* Message:

Put yer teef in. Nige, Coach *(SHOT=Slightly Half-Baked OT)

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:31:29 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liiverpool.ac.uk To: Coach Subject: if that was coaching... Message:

well, thanks! But we have to be careful you know. Remember when Mel 'interpreted' a jokily expressed desire by Jim to squeeze some hysterical ELK premie's face as a threat to hunt the poor girl and stalk her for the rest of her born days? So I don't know what he'll make of the 'tooth-sinking' thang. I hope to go to Australia one day, but the thought of pursuing Mel for a quick nibble of his flesh is not uppermost on my travel agenda, nor I suspect on yours.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 09:11:17 (GMT) From: zelda Email: None To: thread Subject: 'Paging Larry Flint' help us Oh Be Wan ! Message:

Nt

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:04:55 (GMT) From: raina Email: None To: Everyone Subject: you have cheerleaders. how nice for you...nt Message:

no way...

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:09:41 (GMT) From: raina Email: None To: raina Subject: what makes someone's knowledge valuable? Message:

i'll be crucified for this one...

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 09:22:21 (GMT) From: Zelda Email: None To: raina Subject: chill wittness Message:

Raina Whoever posted that to you is a mean nerdy belt buckle. Your presence on the forum has been a welcome addition. There may be a cool reception to that one way you ask rhetorical questions. when you asked me one once I stopped cold. That style of inquiry is too familiar, sort of like a remote cousin to salesmanship. Not that you mean it like that- but I dont know many people that respond well to it. The FA should stop that bad man from posting things that make us go chilly when we read them. Hope you warmed up Zelda

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 14:58:05 (GMT) From: raina Email: None To: Zelda Subject: oh no way! Message:

the only true pleasure i get from the forum is the feeling of people showing their true colors (even anonymously).....myself included.... i would never want ANYONE to be removed for attacking me-in a lot of ways i get tremendous satisfaction by letting this, a public record to speak for itself.... i've had some of the 'classic' horrible things happen TO me (short of murder on the felony scale) but the thing that i always struggle longest and hardest with is people who have lied about things said. no one can put words in my mouth here.....and they can't take back what they say...(unless they're a crafty FA i guess?) as 'they' say 'it's better the devil you know than the devil you don't' but i must say-i had a practical reason for coming on this morning-to check and see if anyone might have any advice about URL's as registered trademarks....but lo and behold.....not one answer.....makes me feel so T&A you know! ya i was disappointed in you for not answering my question (silence speaks volumes duh!) but i'm genuinely touched that you seem to be saying that you checked out what i checked out...and i am humbled.....(sort of-the whole total stranger thing helps maintain cold objectivity!)

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 01:55:14 (GMT) From: you tell us Email: None To: raina Subject: or shut the fuck up.. Message:

why don't you?

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 02:32:56 (GMT) From: raina Email: None To: you tell us Subject: this is the same guy who's suggesting people not Message:

use aliasi......? why am i here? because i think it makes for fascinating, educational experience, to see a psych 101 experiments runomuk...as a scientist......and as a victim/survivor of some nasty(!) abuse from infamously 'nice' people you dine with, and suck the dicks of. p.s. um, yes of course, and if this isn't (isn't in italics) Jim Heller? FA's (whoever the hell you are) please note that this person made me feel chilly (in case he has skin in the basement for sale etc.) whether it's one person or hal......yes of course, 'save them children'.....brings a tear, brings a tear....

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 22:09:57 (GMT) From: Susan Email: None To: Everyone Subject: JM's private photo gallery Message:

Is it still online?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 03:13:51 (GMT) From: Anonymous Character Email: None To: Everyone Subject: JM's Site Message:

Oh no!!!! Some anonymous character has re-posted stuff from JM's site!!!! JM --- do you have a fleet of lawyers to combat this??? http://briefcase.yahoo.com/clifford_rawat

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:38:29 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Anonymous Character Subject: The cloning of the material in question Message:

Boy, those lawyers are gonna be busy (and expensive for Rawat!) Paragraph 26 of the 'Finances' doc. looks interesting: 'The people who do private fund raising need to know they are not to involve Elan Vital. And they are not to receive checks payable to Elan Vital. They need to understand there are legal and potential tax consequences to their ideas and that they are responsible for finding out what those are in their city and state.' For the purposes of critical discussion only (of course!), would anyone like to suggest why such 'private fund-raising' needs to be anonymous? And to whom those funds then go? Anyone else smell a rather large rat? And another question has just occured to me - Could it be that the Maha is trying to use the Copyright Laws in an attempt to cover up activities that just MIGHT be less than legal? He certainly doesn't seem to like the attention he's been getting on the web. Strange - I remember the days when publicity and 'propagation' were the No. 1 priority.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:44:11 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: All Subject: EV says video events 'in public domain' Message:

EV says video events 'in public domain' 'Many people have requested input on invitations to introductory video events. Invitations may increase the impact of local events; however, they do end up in the 'public domain', so the contents should be looked at from a public relations point of view.' From http://ib.yimg.com/b/d5d70963/h/ea60291b/doc_PR_samplei.htm

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 21:38:40 (GMT) From: Mili Email: mili@cheerful.com To: Everyone Subject: Funny Quips Message:

Funny Quips I planted some bird seed. A bird came up. Now I don't know what to feed it. My aunt gave me a walkie-talkie for my birthday. She says if I'm good she'll give me the other one. I eat swiss cheese from the inside out. I had amnesia once or twice. I eat swiss cheese, but I only nibble on it. I make the holes bigger. I am not a vegetarian because I love animals. I am a vegetarian because I hate plants. I went to San Francisco. I found someone's heart. The Bermuda Triangle got tired of warm weather. It moved to Alaska. Now Santa Claus is missing. Last week I forgot how to ride a bicycle. I took lessons in bicycle riding, but I could afford only half the lessons. Now I can ride a unicycle. Photons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic. All I ask is a chance to prove that money can't make me happy. We were born naked, wet and hungry. Then things got worse. I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous. Five out of four people have trouble with fractions. If you look like the photo on your driver's license, you aren't well enough to drive. A beggar asked me for 50 cents for a sandwich. I said, 'First let me see the sandwich.' 'More hay, Trigger?' 'No thanks, Roy, I'm stuffed.' Warning: Dates on the calendar are closer than they appear. I just got a physical and asked the doctor, 'How do I stand?' He said,'That's what puzzles me.' If God had intended man to smoke, he would have set him on fire. What is a 'free' gift? Aren't all gifts free? I wouldn't be caught dead with a necrophiliac. Give me ambiguity or give me something else. Tact is the art of making guests feel at home when that's where you wish they were. I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it. The gene pool could use a little chlorine. Confidence is the feeling you have before you really understand the problem. We have enough youth. How about a fountain of smart? Be nice to your kids. They'll choose your nursing home. I used to be clueless about math, but I turned that around 360 degrees. Why is the word 'abbreviation' such a big word? The earth is like a tiny grain of sand, only much, much heavier. Cloning is the sincerest form of flattery. Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives. They told me I was gullible...and I believed them. Then there was the time Geronimo jumped out of an airplane and yelled,'MEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!' The chance that you'll forget something is directly proportional to.....to....ah..... Teach a child to be polite and courteous in the home and, when he grows up, he'll never be able to edge his car onto a freeway. Honk if you like peace and quiet. There are three kinds of people in the world; those who can count and those that can't. Until you walk a mile in another man's moccassins, you can't imagine the smell. Two can live as cheaply as one, for half as long. Experience is the thing you have left when everything else is gone. To err is human, to moo bovine. 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Nose runs? Hey, you're upside down! A conclusion is simply the place where you got tired of thinking. My weight is perfect for my height - which varies. I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not so sure. If our knees bent the other way, what would a chair look like? Welcome to the Psychiatric Hot Line: - If you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly. - If you are co-dependent, please ask someone to press 2. - If you are paranoid-delusional, we know who you are and what you want. Just stay on the line so we can trace your call. - If you are schizophrenic, listen closely and a little voice will tell you which number to press. - If you are manic-depressive, it doesn't matter which number you press; no one will answer. Why isn't the word 'phonetic' spelled the way is sounds? There is a CD out entitled 'The Worst of Jefferson Airplane'. If you buy this, take it home, play it, and enjoy it, should you take it back and demand a full refund? If you had everything, where would you keep it? The cost of living hasn't affected its popularity. The meek shall inherit the earth - they are too weak to refuse it. When you open a new bag of cotton balls, is the first one meant to be thrown away? How can there be self-help 'groups'? If white wine goes with fish, do white grapes go with sushi? If someone has a mid-life crises while playing hide & seek, does he automatically lose because he can't find himself? If someone with multiple personalities threatens to kill himself, is it considered a hostage situation? Instead of talking to your plants, if you yelled at them would they still grow, but only to be troubled and insecure? Is there another word for synonym? Isn't it a bit unnerving that doctors call what they do 'practice'? When sign makers go on strike, is anything written on their picket signs? Where do forest rangers go to 'get away from it all'? Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food? Why do they report power outages on TV? The smell of a crowded elevator is quite different to a midget. The obituaries in the newspaper prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that people die in alphabetical order. Two wrongs don't make a right. But three rights make a left. Why did kamikaze pilots need helmets? There's so much sand in Nortern Africa that if it were spread out, it would completely cover the Sahara Desert. Now let's all repeat the nonconformist oath..... If the odds are a million to one against something occurring, chances are 50-50 it will. Introducing 'LITE' - the new way to spell 'LIGHT' with 20% fewer letters! How long a minute is depends on which side of the bathroom door you are on. When marriage is outlawed, only outlaws will have in-laws. The speed of time is one second per second. Inside this fat body there's a skinny person screaming to get out. Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean I, uh.? Living on Earth may be expensive, but it includes an annual trip around the sun. You cannot achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd. In democracy it's your vote that counts. In feudalism, it's your count that votes. Even a mosquito doesn't get a slap on the back until it starts to work. Time is nature's way of keeping everything from happening all at once. Today is the yesterday you worried about tomorrow. Always borrow money from pessimists. They don't expect to be paid back. Be different. Conform. I'm a psychic amnesiac. I know in advance what I'm going to forget. If I melted dry ice, could I swim in it and not get wet? If a book about failures doesn't sell, is it a success? Do cemetery workers prefer the graveyard shift? What do you do when you see an endangered animal that eats only endangered plants? Do hungry crows have ravenous appetites? Is it possible to be totally partial? What's another word for thesaurus? If a parsley farmer is sued, can they garnish his wages? Would a fly without wings be called a walk? Why do steam irons have a permanent press setting? Can you be a closet claustrophobic? Why do they lock gas station bathrooms? Are they afraid someone will clean them? Why do people who know the least know it the loudest? If the funeral procession is at night, do folks drive with their lights off? If a stealth bomber crashes in a forest, will it make a sound? If a turtle doesn't have a shell, is he homeless or naked? When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? Should vegetarians eat animal crackers? If the cops arrest a mime, do they tell him he has the right to remain silent? When companies ship styrofoam, what do they pack it in? If you're cross-eyed and have dyslexia, can you read all right? Is Marx's tomb a communist plot? If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat? Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. If swimming is so good for your figure, how do you explain whales? Show me a man with both feet firmly on the ground, and I'll show you a man who can't get his pants off. Wild beasts won't harm you if you carry a blazing torch - provided you carry it fast enough. Diamonds are a girl's best friend. Dogs are a man's best friend. So which is the dumber sex? A harp is a piano with no clothes on. A bird in the hand makes it difficult to blow your nose. It's not an optical illusion. It just looks like one. My wife says I never listen to her. At least I think that's what she said. If I want your opinion, I'll ask you to fill out the necessary forms. Help wanted: Telepath. You know where to apply. If you can lead it to water and force it to drink, it isn't a horse. Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense. Don't use a big word where a diminutive one will suffice. Old soldiers never die. Young ones do. The more things change, the more they stay insane. Animal testing is a bad idea - they get nervous and give the wrong answers. Love thy neighbor - tune thy piano. Bureaucracy: a method of turning energy into solid waste. Does the name 'Pavlov' ring a bell? If you can survive death, you can probably survive anything. To vacillate or not to vacillate - that is the question... or is it? When you do a good deed, get a receipt - in case heaven is like the IRS. There's no future in time travel. If life is like a stage, I want better lighting. The graduate with a science degree asks, 'Why does it work?' The graduate with a engineering degree asks, 'How does it work?' The graduate with an accounting degree asks, 'How much will it cost?' The graduate with a liberal arts degree asks, 'Do you want fries with that?' If you're cross-eyed and have dyslexia, can you real alright?

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:18:21 (GMT) From: newcomer Email: None To: Mili Subject: Funny Quips Message:

The two of us had a good laugh at your funny jokes Mili, thanks.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 16:30:56 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: newcomer Subject: Funny Quips Message:

Dear Susan R., Hi, welcome. Yes, I found these funny also and even saved them but I had to wonder as to Mili's motivation. He is a premie and a long time ago tried to shut this site down and I had the feeling he posted this one liners because he can't moon us here in cyber space for the hassles m's lawyers are giving all the ex-premie sites. I kind of think that is why no one else replied either. Love, Robyn

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 17:36:24 (GMT) From: JW (Joe Whalen) Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Also OT might now be inappropriate Message:

I think Jim has a good point about anonymity, and one of the things I have always respected about Jim is that he has used his full name from the very beginning. I know that encouraged me. But I also understand that every situation is different. Anyhow, I think most people know who JW is, and given that Maharaji has removed the gloves and is fighting very dirty, I'm now going to post as 'Joe' and I'm finally going to get around to writing that Journey, that for some reason I have had a block to writing. Also, under the current circumstances, I think we should all consider dropping OT (off topic) threads. I know I have begun a number of OT threads, but I'm going to stop doing that at least for awhile. I would encourage others to do the same. Somehow, all of this seems just a little more serious. Somehow, I get the impression that this website is really hitting home to Mr. Rawat. We have become a major thorn in his side and he is trying to wipe us out. I think we are having an effect way beyond what we thought back in the Spring of 1997, when this little website got started. The reaction of Prem Pal Sing Rawat of using high-priced lawyers to shut up his critics says a lot about the effect we are having. Keep up the good work everyone. For every aspirant who questions the cult and thinks for themselves because of this website, for every doubting 'premie' who finally breaks free from the cult because he or she finds people saying what they have always thought but dared not say, one more person gets their life back, just like all of us did. And I think that that is what all of this is about.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 02:46:28 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: JW (Joe Whalen) Subject: Also OT might now be inappropriate Message:

I dunno Joe, it feels like someone telling me not to chit chat. I know your heart is in the right place, and that the situation is grave. But I can't always talk about the fat guy. The off topic posts are so much damn fun anyway.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:04:26 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: Helen Subject: Also OT might now be inappropriate Message:

Hi again Helen, I did catch your reply to our previous exchange, but didn't have chance to do it justice before it went inactive. Strange and busy times on the forum, heh? Who ever would have thought we would see the ex-premie scene expand and prosper to the extent it has over the last three years? I'll send you that long-promises email soon. (BTW: I only ever get huffy at religious people if they are preaching, uninvited, at me, my kids or my labrador...) re. the off-topic thread thing. I tend to agree with you, but I'm sure Joe was only really speaking for himself. I think off-topic threads tend to wander on-topic at about the same rate the on-topic ones wander off-topic. It is just the idiotic disruptive ones that piss me off. With all the exitement though, I'm surprised people have much else to talk about at the moment. cioafernioa, Nige

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 17:25:31 (GMT) From: JW Email: None To: Helen Subject: Sister Helen Wheels Message:

You must be less flighty, dear. Flitting from one topic to another will take you into the occasion of sin. Try to focus, my child. I will pray that the Holy Spirit decends into your bosom and fills you with Sanctifying Grace.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:00:42 (GMT) From: Helen the flighty Email: None To: JW/Nigel Subject: JW/Nigel Message:

JW--If you try to pin down my free spirit, whatever shall I do? My smelling salts, I'm starting to swoon. the creative muse is upon me--I'm starting to channel the creative muse right now at this instant! I must now sing praises to the peony garden and talk of K-mart. Oh, you say? The K-mart website and the gardening website are elsewhere and I am welcome to go there? This is an ex-premie forum? Oh I beg your pardon, I thought this was the libertarian nude sunbather's anti-gun lobbyist Darwinian science meditation nutrition 70s nostalgia club. Fiddle dee dee!! BTW JW did you see my long manifesto about Dr. Laura? Nigel--no fear of me preaching to you. Unitarians (well, really I'm a Universalist, you know the distinction: Unitarians believe we're so great God has to love us, and Universalists believe God is so great he has to love us) The UUs believe in one God, at most! Most of them don't even believe that. SO proselytizing is out. I mean what selling points do we have? 'Nope, can't promise you salvation or an afterlife, can't say whether one thing is better than another really, be sure to have lots of life insurance just in case, except see, there's this light within us all, and so respect your brother, amen'

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:04:08 (GMT) From: Joe Email: None To: Helen the flighty Subject: JW/Nigel Message:

Sorry, Helen. I didn't see your tome on Dr. Laura. Sorry, I just got busy and it fell over the edge of the earth. I guess I should read it before I comment

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:19:41 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Joe Subject: Dr. Laura manifesto Message:

I printed it out, I can fax it to you. It was really longggg. I'm thinking about writing an editorial using some of the ideas in it, something along the lines of the 'baby boomer liberal women's dirty little secret--we listen to Dr. Laura.'

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:21:54 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Joe Subject: Dr. Laura manifesto Message:

Joe, do you mind if I use some of your ideas in the editorial--such as your great description of Dr. Laura as dominatrix/punishishing callers in a way that is titillating to listeners? (attributing the ideas to a 'friend of mine' of course)? Whoops! Off topic again! Spank me!

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 18:20:59 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: JW (Joe Whalen) Subject: Agree with Joe, plus an OT alternative Message:

Joe, I do agree with you about OT threads, although sometimes threads morph into OT at the ends, which is difficult to control. I would also like to suggest that people post OT messages, comments, etc. on the Anything Goes forum, which is run by Sir David Simpkiss of ex-premie fame. Although some people here do not like that forum, Sir David has always welcomed all and sundry to post there. (No deletions there, though - should that be a concern.)

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:34:47 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Katie Subject: Anyone seen 'Fight Club'? (ot) (nt) Message:

vvv

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:50:41 (GMT) From: raina Email: None To: Jim Subject: it must be worth seeing ?(nt) Message:

?fghj

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 10:24:41 (GMT) From: Raina may very well be.. Email: None To: raina Subject: the mythical 'hairy George' of internet fame(nt) Message:

abc

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 14:43:36 (GMT) From: raina Email: None To: Raina may very well be.. Subject: hairy like a Kong Kong Kong...... Message:

ew your but is scandulous etc.... you shouldn't take my name in vain dude....

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:02:57 (GMT) From: raina Email: None To: raina Subject: it must be worth seeing ?(nt) Message:

yes yes all the magpie synchronicities.... but imagine if someone in the forum were asking, not for 2nd hand opinions, but to correct a zillion dollar mistake that had been made during their M time- wouldn't it make so much sense that people would see when they could wipe away a problem, with grimmace, fart and laughter meeting of the minds....? certainly not here....i wouldn't even suggest it... Jim your damn magpie imagery has me loosing my traina thought... (i haven't read the post yet just saw the sub) laugh all that you must...

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:56:36 (GMT) From: Daneane Email: None To: raina Subject: How cute, Jim with a lil' shadow!!(nt) Message:

Aawwwww

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 18:07:31 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: JW (Joe Whalen) Subject: Also OT might now be inappropriate Message:

I'd like to be someone other than who I am, but somehow... All of this dirty business that the lawyers are doing has not yet completely hit me yet, but the line in Joe's post, 'we have become a major thorn in his side and he is trying to wipe us out' is an interesting idea. Can you imagine a nation or a world where criticism has been successfully eliminated and quashed? Is that not what Maharaji would prefer? Is that not his goal? Think of the times and places in history where leaders had total control over the flow and content of information. Say: Pol Pot Joseph Stalin The Fictional Big Brother North Korea Albania China I'm not a real historian here, but you get the point. And Maharaji could become of member of a very select group of totalitarian leaders. And more so if his true objective of being revered as Lord of the Universe is fully manifested.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 02:27:26 (GMT) From: VP Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Also OT might now be inappropriate Message:

Hey, Rog, You forgot General McCarthy, Adolph Hitler, the Spanish Inquisition, etc. Ha ha! I hear what you are saying. Yes, Maharaji hates free speech he hates free thought. No one is supposed to think or question. They are all supposed to devote--and shut the hell up unless they are appreciating and enjoying. Anyway, I'm sorry about your site. I thought it was funny and creative. I liked your best of the forum award, even if I never received it personally-snicker! Also, to everyone else, on this topic of off topic--I like OT text. It shows that ex-premies are just people...people who have real lives that have nothing to do with obsessing over Maharaji, getting back at Maharaji, attacking Maharaji or whatever. The OT text makes you all three dimensional. It shows there is life after and it doesn't have to all take place here. For what it's worth. Anyone know a good joke?

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 18:09:45 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: VP Subject: A joke? As the policeman said to the mime artist: Message:

... you have the right to remain silent

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 21:58:12 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: cq Subject: Actually, I prefer Nigel's Jesus joke Message:

Even though Brian says it was completely tasteless and NOT funny. Guess Brian has a worse sense of humor than the pope, eh? Anyway, I'll have my family rolling on the floor with that one - although they probably already know it and have told it many times. P.S. to CQ. Your Jesus joke was OK, but since I'm not Jewish, I couldn't tell whether it would be offensive to those who are. (Jesus saves, but Moses invests - and so does Katie, BTW.)

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 12:29:45 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Katie Subject: I wonder if this one's offensive? Message:

An elderly man goes into confession and says to the priest, 'Father, I'm 80 years old, married, have four kids and 11 grandchildren. I started taking this new Viagra pill, and last night I had an affair and made love to two 18-year-old girls. Both of them. Twice. The priest said: 'Well, my son, when was the last time you were in confession?' 'Never Father, I'm Jewish.' 'So then, why are you telling me?' 'I'm telling everybody.'

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 19:12:51 (GMT) From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: Roger eDrek Subject: Rog, Maharaji is small potatoes Message:

(I know you'll appreciate this because you live in Idaho :)!) You wrote: Can you imagine a nation or a world where criticism has been successfully eliminated and quashed? Is that not what Maharaji would prefer? Is that not his goal? [...] I'm not a real historian here, but you get the point. And Maharaji could become a member of a very select group of totalitarian leaders. And more so if his true objective of being revered as Lord of the Universe is fully manifested. Maharaji is a hold-over from the seventies, with a very small group of followers, mostly followers FROM the seventies, who once revered him as the Lord of the Universe. His chance of becoming a totalitarian leader, or even getting a significant group of people to listen to him, are virtually nil. He has almost NO power, as witnessed by his inept attempts to get the ex-premie websites shut down, creating an enormous backlash, and, as a result, increased site and forum readership. Maharaji has been reduced to repeating new-age platitudes - as witness his latest satellite broadcasts and videos - in hopes of attracting a new generation of followers. Unfortunately there are many people in the 'new age' business who do it better and more skillfully than him, and I sincerely doubt that he'll become any kind of contender in this field (for one thing, he needs to take voice lessons!) Maharaji seems torn between satisfying his seventies followers (through darshan, Krisha outfits, dancing and the like), and trying to appeal to a new group of people through a 'new age' concept of his meditation. You cannot be 'Lord of the Universe' and also a 'meditation teacher' - something's gotta give. My suggestion is that he semi-retire, live in his Krishna outfit, give plenty of darshan, and keep the core group of seventies devotees that seem to be inseperable from him. There are some premies who are never gonna leave him, regardless of what this site or any other site says about him, and I think he should concentrate on these people - his true devotees. (I'd also advise that he INVEST his money, don't buy too many new toys, and try to live on his income! But apparently Bob Mishler already tried to tell him this 20 years ago - doesn't seem to have sunk in.) Anyway, Rog, you've done a good thing with 'House of Drek'. If there's any assistance you need in keeping it on line, please let me know. And don't forget 'Sic Semper Tyrannus', 'Don't Tread on Me', 'Live Free or Die', and all that other good stuff :) TC - Katie

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 20:49:02 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: drek@oz.net To: Katie Subject: Maharaji, Rog is small potatoes Message:

Really, Maharaji, believe me when I say that I as in me, Roger eDrek, is small potatoes. I'm a nobody, dust at your crusty lotus feet. Great post, Katie. You is the big potatoe (using the Dan Quayle spelling.) I would make your post a ***Best***, but the House of Maharaji Drek will be ionized in a few days. My staff and I are hunkered in the bunkers partying like it's 1999. No, I'm no longer in my own private Idaho. Instead, I'm in the Silicon Valley training in routers and network security. I'll be heading to Thousand Oaks soon where I'll have access to some big nationwide hunk of fiber.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:08:25 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Roger eDrek Subject: Rog, a request Message:

Do you have an e-mail address where I can reach you? I have a question. Also, Roger, everyone here on the forum is still clamoring for ***BEST***, putting it in the title of posts, etc. House of Drek RULES! You just can't retire like that, Rog! Come on, if you were really devoted, you'd give up your worldly day job and devote yourself to being Roger Drek. BTW, good luck with the big hunk of fiber - better you than me, although I'll probably be depending on that hunk of fiber somewhere along the line. Meanwhile you can look at the roadside wildflowers and reclaimed strip mines, courtesy of yours truly. TC - Katie

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:54:12 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Rog Subject: Nevermind, Rog Message:

But tell Miss Florida thanks for me :). Even though she is a hacker!

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 04:16:22 (GMT) From: Miss Florida wannabee Email: None To: Katie Subject: the info should never have been on static Message:

web pages. Too bad a database was never employed. With dynamic web pages. For the valuable info that will be lost. As for the rest of the *best* hmmm...... AND that Miss Forida shot was beneath you Katie

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 06:26:34 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Miss Florida wannabee Subject: Personal to Ms. Florida (ot) Message:

God, I hate to write these cryptic messages, especially late at night, but if you are who I think you are, I was NOT referring to you. It was a private thing between me, Brian, and Roger - nothing to do with anyone else. OK?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 04:22:09 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Miss Florida wannabee Subject: What?! Message:

I think Rog knows what I'm talking about - I doubt you do, especially given the 'beneath you' remark (what ARE you talking about?). Anyway, it's downloaded, so don't worry yerself.

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 19:19:13 (GMT) From: Monmot Email: None To: Katie Subject: Rog, Maharaji is small potatoes Message:

I've emailed Steve Hassan to see if he could provide any pointers in fighting EV's attempts at censorship. And to add one to Katie's list, 'Don't let the bastards get you down.' Used to know it in Latin, but my buffer is full.

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 19:26:21 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Monmot Subject: Nolite te bastardes carborundorum Message:

Not really 'pure' Latin. Got it from 'The Handmaid's Tale' - required reading for all ex-whatevers. Thanks for e-mailing Steve Hassan, Monmot. Will be interested to hear what he has to say (unless it's copyrighted - snicker). Take care, Katie

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 16:20:29 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Everyone Subject: The copyright issue - what 'fair use' means Message:

From: http://www.eff.org/pub/Intellectual_property/copyright.faq 2.8) Can I ever use a copyrighted work without permission of the copyright holder, or 'What is 'fair use?'' In any analysis of copyright, it's important to remember the law's constitutional purpose: to promote science and the useful arts. 'Fair use' is a doctrine that permits courts to avoid rigid application of the copyright statute when to do otherwise would stifle the very creativity that copyright law is designed to foster. The doctrine of fair use recognizes that the exclusive rights inherent in a copyright are not absolute, and that non-holders of the copyright are entitled to make use of a copyrighted work that technically would otherwise infringe upon one or more of the exclusive rights. Although fair use originated 'for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, ... scholarship, or research,' it also applies in other areas, as some of the examples below illustrate. However, courts seem more willing to accept an assertion of fair use when the use falls into one of the above categories. Perhaps more than any other area of copyright, fair use is a highly fact-specific determination. Copyright Office document FL102 puts it this way: 'The distinction between 'fair use' and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.' The document then quotes from the 1961 Report of the Register of Copyrights on the General Revision of the U.S. Copyright Law., providing the following examples of activities that courts have held to be fair use: - Quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; - Quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work for illustration or clarification of the author's observations; - Use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied; - Summary of an address or article with brief quotations, in a news report; - Reproduction by a library of a portion of a work to replace part of a damaged copy; - Reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson; - Reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial proceedings or reports; - Incidental and fortuitous reproduction in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an event being reported. Document FL102 is included in Copyright Office information kit 102 ('Fair Use'), which can be ordered from the Copyright Office.

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 16:51:19 (GMT) From: Douche Email: None To: cq Subject: The copyright issue - what 'fair use' means Message:

That's fine as regards the written word cq, but how about photographs? The pictures I'm assuming they're claiming copyright on are of Big M and his father, and were taken years ago. They also appeared on all kinds of promotional material. I can't remember where I got them from, but although I can't prove it, I doubt whether they carried any form of copyright notice. And if they did, it would have been Divine Light Mission rather than Elan Vital. David

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 17:24:26 (GMT) From: Roger eDrek Email: None To: Douche Subject: The copyright issue - what 'fair use' means Message:

Good question as to whether Maharaji and Elan Vital has copyright ownership over materials originally copyrighted by Divine Light Mission to which Maharaji and publicly claims no affiliation through what might be almost deemed as official sources such as Glen Whittaker or whomever we've seen make the claim. Although, I suppose the copyright might transfer. Another question is the precise ownership of materials copyrighted by DLM of India - Maharaji and Elan Vital or SatPal? Douche, contact the good people at: Electronic Frontier Foundation 1550 Bryant Street, Suite 725 San Francisco CA 94103 USA Phone: +1 415 436 9333 Fax: +1 415 436 9993 www.eff.org

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 15:35:12 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: This might be a good time reconsider anonymity Message:

As EV's trying to glare its loose, old-dog fangs at us, this might be a good time for some anonymous posters to think again about the advantages of getting rid of the masks. After all, it seems likely that more premies and outsiders might check in to view these pages and, to the extent that we care about appearances, there's different symbolism that necessarily attaches to a site filled with people posting under their own names unashamedly as opposed to one where half the people are disguised. However you might otherwise rationalize it to yourself, I think anonymity has some obvious negative connotations. Anonymous posters, rightly or wrongly, appear to be either frightened, ashamed or, yes, insincere, about what they're putting up. You know, like as if we all really 'know' this ex-premie internet activity is 'bad' but we're doing it anyway. What we're saying is 'dirty' and 'irresponsible' but , what the hell? No one knows who we are so what the fuck, eh? Or, 'Maharaji's such a big, bad cat I'd sure hate for him to know it was little ol' [your name here] from [your town here] who's daring to criticize him like this.' Frankly, my guess is that if anonymity wasn't such a norm around here in the first place, a lot of anonymous posters would be posting under their own names and thinking nothing of it. It's just a habit, in a lot of cases. The posters aren't frightened or intimidated by this stupid cult, they're not the least bit ashamed of what they say here, the anonymity's just 'easy' somehow. Well, my point is that that anonymity has a cost attached to it and that cost, to be quite honest about it, is credibility. Say what you will, it just mkaes a difference when someone posts under their own name. Just look at how premies use -- and abuse -- anonymity if you ahve any question about it. Sure, ex's can post responsibly for years under a pseudonym but, much as they and the regulars here might be get used to it, there's no getting away from the fact that a mask is a mask, with all the attendant implications. I guess this anonymity problem becomes immediately apparent when one considers communicating with anyone outside of this forum. For example, and not to single 'blood' out for any particular reason, but only as an example, is 'blood' going to send a letter to the media? One to m's lawyers? 'Hi, this is 'blood' ....' You get the idea. Sounds like a missive from a computer hacker or maybe an underground operative or something. I mean, doesn't it? Just one more thing: I truly believe there's a significant personal satisfaction awaiting any ex who begins to post openly, unabashedly, under their own name. It's simple and, yes, it speaks volumes. Of course, you won't know 'til you try it.

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 21:50:58 (GMT) From: raina Email: None To: Jim Subject: 050-57-8993 !!! Message:

it's like bra-burning!!! i feel so free!!!! are you my mother?! i need to worship you!

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:36:17 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: raina Subject: Raina, the magpie Message:

Raina, What are you doing here?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:07:28 (GMT) From: raina Email: None To: Jim Subject: no shit! Message:

i swear to you my reaction to your post was an innocent 'where?' what do you want from me?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:50:28 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: raina Subject: no shit! Message:

What do I want? A simple, straight answer, that's what. What are you doing here? Why are you posting here? Do you have Maharaji-related issues you want to discuss? That's what this forum's for, in case you didn't notice. Well?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 15:58:49 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Jim Subject: Well, Raina? What's the answer? Message:

Raina, You specifically asked me what I wanted and I told you: an explanation as to why you post here? Is that so hard?

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:05:37 (GMT) From: raina Email: None To: Jim Subject: How cute that Jim thinks i'm here 4 him 24-7!! Message:

jim- do you honestly imagine me cowering? afraid to answer you?! i seem to get the distinct feeling that you are asking me to go away! you are trying to make me NOT welcomed here with this post!?! whatever...... i'm gonna go have dinner now-while i 'worry' about how to reply!

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 03:20:53 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: raina Subject: Forget Jim for a moment... Message:

Who are you raina? And why do you post here? Why is 'Basher' Williams your biggest fan? Are you just being deliberately cryptic for fun..? Seriously - don't feel pressured unless you need to - but I am as puzzled as everyone else by your posts. Are you seriously trying to communicate or do something else? How do you feel about 'Guru Maharaj ji'? Good guy or what? Don't answer unless you want to. I'm only trying to talk. No problem... we're all basically friendly.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 03:42:11 (GMT) From: raina Email: None To: Nigel Subject: my liver handles the irony Message:

i know as nothing about Basher as i know about nigel ....or anyone else....bu thanx 4 sharing!

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 18:04:41 (GMT) From: Jerry Email: None To: raina Subject: What's 050-57-8993? Message:

I don't get it. It looks like a social security number. If that's the case why not really 'burn your bra' and post your credit card number? Free yourself, raina. It's just a number, anyway. I won't spend too much. I promise.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 22:47:26 (GMT) From: raina Email: None To: Jerry Subject: What's 050-57-8993? Message:

before i'd actually seen M yet, while picking up some tickets at some hotel in NY for a later event, i overheard 2 men talking about guessing the right numbers for some kind of gambling thing........my reaction was to feel THEY were in the wrong place not me, myself.....honestly...... but as it turns out, i was judging them. and i was wrong, because their apparent greed display gave me a sane reference point when i started getting good with numbers later on!!! (but i don't mean at gambling) imagine if i just happened to guess YOUR ss#'s! would you freak? and you would NEVER know if it were a freak coincedence or the ultimate mindmind!!! you would have to trust me.... and how can anyone really do that for always sure? you know? i used to work for Agnes B in beverly hills. my co-workers called me 'rainman'....i was fine with it....

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 23:14:08 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: raina Subject: Yer born in New England! Message:

Yeah, I know...but I couldn't resist. My mother was born in Connecticut and her SS# begins with a zero, and people literally do not believe her when she tells them what it is. So she just tells them she's really really old :).

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:33:05 (GMT) From: raina Email: None To: Katie Subject: i've jost posted some poor bloke's private i guess Message:

are you being sarcastic? no-i'm not so starry-eyed that i really feel quite that trusting today, to post my ss #.... it didn't occur to me that that # might actually belong to someone.... i'll give you credit for that. for old times sake.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:26:37 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: raina Subject: Well, he's probably dead, anyway... Message:

No, sorry, not sarcastic. I always feel like I should just go ahead and have my SS# tattooed across my forehead because I have to give it to people at least three times a day (I work for state government, so go figure).

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:36:47 (GMT) From: raina Email: None To: Katie Subject: prison matron? Message:

i'm just kidding!

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 01:51:55 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: raina Subject: well, I HOPE so! Message:

I could never deal with that job - I'm one of those too sensitive people. I'm a soil scientist, Raina. People are too hard for me to deal with on a working-day basis.

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 17:17:41 (GMT) From: Ghengis Khan Email: None To: Jim Subject: No chance!! Message:

Jim I will as always post by my real name G.Khan

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 16:15:32 (GMT) From: John Blood Email: None To: Jim Subject: I appreciate your position Jim Message:

After being totally throttled and chewed up a few times a few years ago (including emails telling me what a fool I was for even thinking what I was asking) I realized that I didn't desire to expose myself to the forum at large again. Maharaji attracted and repelled a mixed set. Some obviously serious and sincere and some borderline whackos. Of course when I send a letter to GM, the press...the attorney they get my real name signed, they get my email or return address etc. Perhaps this forum will take a new turn now that there is something on the table. I agree that the anon format could be improved upon. There is both work and play that occurs on this forum. It is all part of healing from the humiliation of having been duped. It is fun and necessary but I think there is some serious work that we could do together. Other more serious forums that I am involved in require registration of all posters. The playing field is level. No one is anon. Until there is a continuous responsible set of posters attempting to focus on the single purpose of exposing Maharaji's fraudulence the only people that are going to get my real name are the press, the attorneys, et. al. I would be happy to join you in an email registered forum to discuss the work that needs to be done. Sincerely John Blood (for now)

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 11:53:37 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: John Blood Subject: That hasn't been my experience at all. Message:

I don't understand why only some people should get premie weirdo mail. I haven't been throttled or chewed up once yet. Over the last couple of years I have put up my full name and phone number a few times. Everyone knows where I am and where I work. Even what I look like.. but zilch! (Just some great emails and phone calls from exes as well as real life meet-ups.) I can thoroughly recommend 'coming out' to anyone else out there who wants to but does feel 'safe' - whatever that means. Nigel Craig Longhurst (0)151 734 0420 (home - 7 Sefton Drive, Sefton Park) (0)151 794 2173 (Psychology Department, Liverpool University)

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 18:46:59 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: John Blood Subject: Anonymity, and lack thereof Message:

Hi John - and Jim, and Jerry - I have NEVER posted anonymously on this forum. I do not have my last name on my Journey's entry, but that's for family reasons (Mom's on the net), and it is present elsewhere on the site. However I've stated my last name many times on this forum, and I've never been harassed, contacted by undesirable people, pursued by whackos, threatened, etc. I feel that the very FACT that I am open about who I am tends to preclude these kind of things happening. Conversely, I am in contact with several people who have very good reasons for remaining anonymous, or for posting on a first name basis only. These include: - Child custody issues - premie vs ex-premie. I realize that the fact that an ex-spouse posts on this forum may not be admissable in court. However, if a premie is the primary custody holder, and wishes to cause relatives who are ex-premies problems, they can do so fairly easily. - Stalkers from the past (or present), who may wish to learn someone's e-mail address or whereabouts. - Premie spouses (there are a LOT of exes who are married to current premies!) - Premie bosses, who would come up with a pretext for firing someone if it was known that the person was saying bad things about M on this forum. Yeah, it's illegal, but it happens, especially in small businesses. - People who wish to remain on the current list of loyal premies so that they can be invited to events, etc. - People who may be famous, or semi-famous, in 'the real world', and who do not want to attract hangers-on, etc. After saying this, I'd also add that it's incredibly liberating to post under your real name, and to stand up and be counted, as it were. And personally, I wouldn't worry about whackos. Jim Heller, who has posted some outrageous things about M, has put his name, address, and telephone number on this forum MANY times, and he hasn't been bothered (except perhaps by premie women who want to convert the 'bad boy' of ex-premie.org!). Jean-Michel has done this as well. I have these two examples to people who are afraid to use their real names here, and it has been freeing to many people. Thank you, Jim and J-M. I do understand that some people HAVE to remain anonymous, in re my list above, but, if you don't have a reason like this, why not come out? It does feel good. Sincerely, Katie Haering

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 20:52:21 (GMT) From: Hal Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Anonymity, and lack thereof Message:

I would definitely prefer to remain anonymous. I regret revealing my country of residence in my first few posts. At one point during a heated discussion , one ex premie suggested coming and looking me up when he visited my location, and did I know about ex IRA people in my area. I found that rather unsettling. Also a premie once posted in a threatening manner to me. There are plenty of unbalanced people who are involved in the cult and I would imagine there are plenty of bongos who are now ex premies. Appreciate your reasoning Jim but it's a crazy world.

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 19:04:52 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Katie Subject: Proof-reading, and lack thereof ... Message:

Proof-reading, and lack thereof ... been there, done it, probably will again, so no praise, no blame, Katie, but: 'I have these two examples to people who are afraid to use their real names here, and it has been freeing to many people.' Should'nt that be 'aren't afraid'? (Just thought you'd prefer to know) Christopher Quartus Giles 6 Woodside Shadforth Durham DH6 1LD email: quartus@postmaster.co.uk PS, if ex-premie.org policy says you have to delete my personal details, so be it, but I hope you can still respect my right to count myself among those who are fortunate enough NOT to prefer to be incognito. (and it does feel good)

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:02:43 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: cq Subject: 40% proof reading? Message:

Should'nt that be 'aren't afraid'? Shouldn't that be 'shouldn't'?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 17:40:23 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Nigel Subject: Well that's Smirnoff for you (nt) Message:

Well that's Smirnoff for you (nt)

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 19:18:43 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: cq Subject: I stand corrected! FA's please correct if you can. Message:

I cannot proofread my own writing - it's been a problem in the past (wanna job??). The sentence should read 'I have given these two examples to people who are afraid to use their real names here, and it has been freeing to many people'. Anyway, thank you, Christopher Quartus Giles - and I believe you are allowed to publish your OWN address and personal information here. TC - Katie

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 17:29:44 (GMT) From: Jerry Email: None To: John Blood Subject: I appreciate your position Jim Message:

After being totally throttled and chewed up a few times a few years ago (including emails telling me what a fool I was for even thinking what I was asking) I realized that I didn't desire to expose myself to the forum at large again. This doesn't make sense, John. Are your ideas going to be any less challenged if you post anonymously. Do you express different ideas as John Blood than you do under your real name. It just reeks of cowardice. Maybe you just don't have that much confidence in your own beliefs and feel a need to scurry around, anonymously, so nobody will know it's you.

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 17:56:22 (GMT) From: John Blood Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Thanks for your analysis Message:

I will take it for what it is worth.

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 18:37:35 (GMT) From: Jerry Email: None To: John Blood Subject: You're welcome Message:

I will take it for what it is worth. That all depends on how much stock you place in the truth :)

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 20:46:03 (GMT) From: blood Email: None To: Jerry Subject: You're welcome Message:

Jerry I have read a number of your posts and find them to be informed and enlightening. I appreciate your take on the position of courage and anonymity. I do not think that you are in any position whatsoever to make an assessment of my courage based upon my desire to remain anon at this time. There are some very specific reasons I choose anonymity that are personal to me alone and require absolutely no explanation to anyone. Your assessment that It just reeks of cowardice is exactly the kind of bullshit that I don't want or need. You have not walked through life in my shoes. I do not know if you have ever danced through rice paddies while under fire or picked up the pieces of your fallen comrades and put them in a bags so the families would have something to bury. I do not know if you have buried your alcoholic father nor your suicidal mother. I have done all of these things. I do not care if I am a coward in your eyes for wishing to remain anon at this time. I do not know what you have done or been through in your life. I assume that you have been involved in one thing that I was involved in. I am not here to challenge your sense of what is right for you. I am here to resolve a situation I was foolishly involved in the 70s. I am not here to have someone who knows absolutely nothing about me assess my courage. That is absolute bullshit and I don't need any more of it. I am not here for a psychological or emotional evaluation although it would appear that you are ready and willing to perform these evaluations.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 13:28:41 (GMT) From: Jerry Email: None To: blood Subject: You're welcome Message:

First off, thanks for the compliment. As for an assessment of your courage, I was responding to this particular comment: After being totally throttled and chewed up a few times a few years ago (including emails telling me what a fool I was for even thinking what I was asking) I realized that I didn't desire to expose myself to the forum at large again. I was not making any reference to your courage in any vein outside of that. Take an objective look, yourself, at the above comment of your's, and I think, if you're honest, you'd agree that you scuttled, man. You got cold feet in the face of adversity. I don't see how it can be interpreted any other way. Maybe in other aspects of your life you've exhibited laudible courage, but not here, John. Sorry.

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 21:27:01 (GMT) From: Anne Email: None To: blood Subject: You're welcome Message:

Hi John, The best way to resolve issues is at times to remain anon. No one actually needs to know what your real name is on this site. The only 'thing' needed is sincerity and trust that persons are speaking their own truth at the time they are posting. I have not looked in on the Forum in almost a year. It was of great benefit to me two summers ago as I started to examine all of the left over garbage I was still caring around even though I had not practiced k or seen gm in over 10 years. It was of no importance to me to know the 'real' names, what was important was the validation I received for myself that I was right to bail out when I did. My first clue as to still having at that time something really wrong with me was that I was afraid even to post here, that somehow gm would know, and god expose my whole real name? No, the fear was too great. So Jerry you would have every right to call me a coward as the psycho damage done by believing in gm with all my heart for about three years had a strong effect on my life long after I had left and recongized gm as just a man with a good gig. A friend of mine, Gail, was very active on this site and was one of the first to publize her full name and where she was from. Do I wish today to state my full name? No.As you stated the reasons are mine and I do not have to justify them with anyone. Some reading this post will know my full name and we have met. (hi to you all!) I know today I am not afraid to post my full name but choose not to. This proves to me that I am healthy and of sound mind. That fear is no longer playing a role in my life, either fear of gm's imagined wrath or fear of what others may think of me. I have free will and that is to make my own choices, not dictated to by anyone as what I have to or cannot do. Thanks to all who do post here. You provide a great service.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 02:58:41 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Anne /John Blood Subject: Don't let anyone bully you here Message:

Anne I think that is a great point. The fact that you are choosing to do what you want not what someone is bullying you or even strongly persuading you to do. Fact is, your own info is your own. And John Blood, I agree with you, it's nobody's business what your real name is if you're not comfortable using it. You don't owe anyone an explanation of that. Jesus H. Christ it's taken all of us a long time to learn about how to care for ourselves, what's the point of giving in out of feeling intimidated by members of our so-called 'ex-cult' community. DOn't make sense. Stick with your own convictions on the subject and on any subject here for that matter, this place ain't worth selling yourself out for. We already did that once, eh?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 15:47:27 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Helen Subject: God, you're insufferable, Helen! Message:

What a pious grandmother you are! Listen, no one's 'bullying' anyone. As if! I just was arguing the merits, as I see them, of getting rid of masks that, yes, unavoidably suggest the wearer has something to hide. You are so quick to jump to this dumb-ass, uncalled-for white hat / black hat nonsense. But I guess that makes you feel really good about yourself, huh? 'Helen the Good' or something. Christ!

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:28:56 (GMT) From: Anne Email: None To: Jim Subject: God, you're insufferable, Helen! Message:

Jim, No one was bullying me but I did feel that the badgering that blood received, being called a coward, did deserve a response. I think your argument is valid, in getting rid of the 'masks', to stand up and declare. If someone decides not to reveal their real name why fear what they may have to hide if they choose to remain anon? Helen is a good woman who is also very kind. I hope she never loses those qualities. And so the threads go...have fun guys...check you out again in a few months.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:55:24 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: Anne Subject: God, you're insufferable, Helen! Message:

Hi Anne, I think I am safe in saying that many more people find Jim insufferable than find Helen insufferable. (I find them both perfectly sufferable!) Thing is, I don't think Jim minds in the least what people think, and I don't really think Helen minds when it's Jim saying it (because there's no-one else saying it). But it's such a familiar script where you each know what the other is likely to say next, you'd be almost disappointed if Jim didn't respond like that. It has this cosy familiarity that makes the forum feel like home! Take care and see you around next time you show up. Nige

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 19:36:50 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Nigel Subject: I meant the harsh threatning energy can hurt Message:

and it isn't Helen that has done it to me! but fuck it. I'm tired of it all. I came here so innocent. Just wanting help getting out of the damned cult. Now I am just putting together some stuff on my server to try and help with EV's bullshit. At least that is something tangible. it's OK.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:51:42 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: Selene Subject: quick apres-pub reply... Message:

Selene: not sure I understand. Do you wanna email me or Helen or whoever.. (Had a few jars so am more than contented with the way God or his even better evil fucking enemy more than likely designed it all..!) Forums are weird. People deserve better, but it's a kind of surrogate social life - for me at least! Take care and hang in there. Nige THE (copying Anth) who doesn't for one minute believe in negative energy... Believe in people. They have their own energy.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:47:19 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Nigel Subject: 'scuse me - negative energy? Message:

Negative energy? You mean like the 'just say no' anti-drug campaign? Meself, I recently came to the conclusion that thinking good and evil are at war with each other is like thinking the opposite poles of a magnet repel. BTW, your post on the Stevie Wonder songs brought it all back to me, how'd the lyrics go? (from memory:) 'We are amazed but not amused by all the things you say that you'll do Though much concerned though not involved with decisions that are made by you. And we are sick and tired of hearing your song Telling us how you are gonna change right from wrong But if you really want to hear our views - You haven't done nothin!' Well it's not too cool to be ridiculed but you brought this upon yourself ... something, something ... we want the truth and nothing else ...' Ha!

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:58:23 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Nigel Subject: have a couple more for me Nig! Message:

Like I said, it really is OK I am feeling REALLY good working on this stuff to fight EV. Always feel better when I can direct my energy, even if I end up getting the damned stuff up on the web too late - stupid job made me distracted. Appreciate you replying. Just had to say what I said. I think i'm done with it. Hope so really.I'd rather have been in the pub. Selene - Irish ancestry won't go away :) :)

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 02:38:24 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: czoschozshcoisdh To: Selene Subject: I just did.. was that wise..? Message:

I have essays to mark and hand back in the morning for fuck's sake..(hic!) Still... there are few things in life that matter, and of those that matter there are few things that matter very much... I'm gonna play some music and wait for the dawn chorus...

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 03:27:10 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Nigel Subject: well look at it this way Message:

You kept me from drinking em :)

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 19:18:07 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Nigel Subject: nigel, I disagree Message:

but who cares? I spent way too many hours trying, endlessly to word my posts.. etc. so I wouldn't set off another fucking war. Ending up going overboard the other way of course!! I think many of us are fed up. but this is not the time for this. or is it?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 19:24:55 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: None To: Selene Subject: nigel, I disagree Message:

Hi Selene, Do you mean wrong about Helen not minding what Jim posts to her? Or wrong about it all being so familiar now? I may be wrong about both, I guess, but it was just my impression. Helen never seems that fazed - and can more than take care of herself when she feels like it - and the forum carries on being the way it is, and the participants being the way they are. I kind of prefer that to seeing people adopting false personas. I dunno... Helen, what do YOU think?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:11:13 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Nigel/Jim Subject: God almighty, it's like a nightmare! Message:

Nigel--Well if you really want my opinion I think Jim is a tiresome windbag--ha ha!! And yes, I can take care of myself, thank you for that compliment. The familarity of Jim is sort of comforting, kind of like a bunion on my butt that won't go away. Jim, I never was accusing you of bullying anyone. I was responding to Anne and John's posts. What Anne said that I liked alot is that she isn't scared to use her real name, but chooses not to. People are entitled to make those decisions, you know? Especially when they spent years of their lives in a cult in which they gave over those kinds of decisions without even considering that they had a choice in the process. You think because you beleive something that it should be so for everyone. Shit, I post under my name and it's no big whoop, but someone else might have very valid reason not to. End of story. It's so amusing that you think I am some kind of self-righteous grandmother. I think you're a mean prick, who tries to find a person's vulnerable spot and stick them there. Unfortunately being perceived as an old crone doesn't offend me, in fact is's kind of flattering. It's far better than being perceived as a mean, narrow-minded, dense prick.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:35:06 (GMT) From: gErRy Email: None To: Helen Subject: Come see come saw the world, eh Burt? Message:

Well Helen, my take as a guy who actually spent time with Jim is that he is an extraordinary prick on the forum but pretty much a regular guy in 'real' life. I don't know why this is but it has sure ruined the 'Real Jim' for me. I can't be friends with him anymore and that's a shame. We had a great time together, played music (although I was just faking it--I'm the WWGP world's worst guitar player) partied, talked, swam in the lake, went canoeing, out to dinner. Yeah it was great and Jim's woman friend is pretty terrific in her own rite. Go figure...I'm sure lost. One funny thing and I hope Jim doesn't mind my saying, was that his friend Brad and Jim were wrangling over M and some premie they both knew and Brad stated he might just have to go check out the guru for himself. Now, I'm pretty sure he was taking the piss out of Jim for being so persistent and one tracked but it was funny to hear Brad say that. Talk about being harangued into the cult, by Jim no less !!! I really don't hate Jim at all but I truly dislike his meaness. I know, I know, me too, but it's all Jim's fault, the way I am. I mean, in fourth grade, as I was sneaking a look at the teacher's private notes on all us students, it said under my name, 'Excellent student, but easily led.' They couldn't figure out how I got straight A's but hung out with all the bad boys. Ha ha !!!

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 22:17:48 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: gErRy Subject: me too!! straight A's and I hung out with all Message:

the bad boys. (still do)

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 00:56:31 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Selene Subject: Wow! Really? I bet you even have a black leather Message:

jacket, huh? Like one of them motorcyle things. Crazy!

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 01:00:02 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Jim Subject: no Jim got biker neighbors that is bad enough Message:

House got appraised last week. Wish me luck.

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 22:11:06 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: gErRy Subject: And I should care about this because????? Message:

PLLLLEEESE, Let's talk about something else, really.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 02:22:53 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: None To: Helen Subject: Good idea! Message:

Shit! Is it that far past bedtime? I'll email. Promise. (Like when were my promises worth any more than the one I made to dedicate my whole fucking life and not reveal the facts about eyeball squeezing?) luv to all...Nige

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 20:47:39 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Nigel Subject: Good idea! Message:

Nigel, I'll email you and then all you have to do is hit reply and type a few lines about yerself. Look in that mailbox....

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 00:01:25 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: Anne Subject: You're welcome Message:

Dear Anne, Well hello! :) When I saw your name, I thought, could it be...probably not, and then it was you! 'I know today I am not afraid to post my full name but choose not to. This proves to me that I am healthy and of sound mind.' Believe this Anne, you are one of the healthiest people I know and I also know that you have worked hard to get to where you are. You know I think the world of you and am thankful that I know you. I agree with your post, that it is up to the individual wether to use thier real name or not although for those who don't mind I think it is good to do it as a show of 'balls' so to speak, that m and his $ and lawyers won't silence us. I can't spend the time here I'd like to read all about this but I do, very strongly support these sites and the light, humor and spport they lend to so many. Love, Robyn

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Date: Wed, May 24, 2000 at 23:11:28 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Anne Subject: Thanks for your post, Anne Message:

And 'hi' to you, too, since I'm one of those who has been priviledged enough to meet you in person. I really liked your post. After I listed a lot of reasons (in my post above) for why people might choose to remain anonymous, I thought of a lot more. In particular, Hal's post reminded me that people with families have a lot more to lose than I do by 'coming out'. And I appreciated Blood's post very much as well. You are right in saying that NO ONE needs to know your real name on this site (although I really don't like the use of multiple pseudonyms - it's just plain annoying!). You also brought up Gail. In my opinion, Gail is probably one of the people who 'lost' the most from revealing her real name on this site, although I consider her VERY courageous for doing so. She was barred from programs, gossiped about, and shunned by people that she thought were her friends. This may have worked out for the best in the long run, but in the short term it seemed to be very painful for her. I commend her bravery in 'coming out', but I know it caused her pain. However, I also see Jim's point. If enough people are willing to stand up and be counted, under their REAL names, then it WILL make a difference. There have been premies and others who have discounted this site by saying that all the posts are made by about 10 people using various pseudonyms. I know, and you know, and most of the people who post here know, that this isn't true, but it would be nice to be able to PROVE that it wasn't true - thus Jim's request. I can't make judgements about people who choose to post anonymously - I have a lot of friends here who post anonymously for reasons I honor and respect (see list in my post above, plus other reasons not listed). It's also very important to me - personally - to post under my real name, and I understand that other people may not feel the same way. But, as you said, Anne, I have free will and that is to make my own choices, not dictated to by anyone as what I have to or cannot do. That's one of the most important things I hope people can learn from this site - or just in life. Take care, Anne - thanks again for your post (and maybe we can meet at the river this summer, or next!) Love, Katie

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 03:48:32 (GMT) From: VP Email: None To: Katie Subject: Thanks for your post, Anne Message:

Katie, I remember reading everything that Gail was going through on the forum when it was happening. I also felt badly for her, but agree with you that she is probably better off getting away from the kind of people who would treat her that way...what assholes! I am seriously considering writing under my real name, (remind me to tell you why in e-mail) though it can be fun annoying the premies who don't know who I am. Maybe I can write under both names, the way Helen does with Minnesota Housewife, etc. I know some people don't like that, but there are some advantages to being VP. All the chicks, for instance--snicker! Be good, VP

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 04:19:14 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: VP Subject: VP Rules! Message:

Sorry, but VP has taken on a life of his own, and you can't put him back in the closet. What WOULD the women of the forum do without him (snicker)!

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 20:51:05 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Katie Subject: VP Rules! Message:

That's right--VP, our perfect fantasy, like a James Bond, but one who doesn't expect his woman to walk around in a micro mini skirt and be named 'Pussy Galore' ha ha

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 22:06:30 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Helen Subject: Why VP Rules Message:

HA! VP gets the women because: He's younger (thirties) and not as sexist as men from previous generations. He actually LIKES women. He's extremely intelligent and very funny. He is willing to do housework and share in childcare responsibilities. He is able to define and articulate important issues - especially those of morality and 'right and wrong'. He is serious about his own spirituality, and is willing to talk about it. In fact, he's willing to TALK. He's real cute. Plus he's such a man's man - you know - climbing glaciers, smoking cigars, having horses beg him to ride them, retaining lawyers who will answer his late-night phone calls, and all that huntin' and fishin' southern stuff too. But anyway, he's taken, naturally. Have you looked into cloning yourself, VP?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:01:56 (GMT) From: Anne Email: None To: Katie Subject: Thanks for your post, Anne Message:

Hi Katie, We have the lovely Thames here in London if you ever feel like taking a drive you would be more than welcome. Thanks for your encouragement. I just love how so many people who post here have such strong opinions and different ways of interputing what they read here. Not one little dust ball gets by these guys. I strive to ensure that the development of my 'free will' gains in strength each day. To me it does represent the power to make choices for myself uninhibited by either my past or fears of others approval. That I am true to myself and accountable to myself and the power of how I choose to respond to someone or something is mine. The most important questions I can ask myself sometimes is 'why?' 'what for?''will this help me?' 'will this harm another?'. Your kindness and sharing from the heart is much appreciated by many. :>) Anne

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:16:45 (GMT) From: gErRy Email: None To: Katie Subject: The Illusion of 'Free Will' Message:

But, as you said, Anne, I have free will and that is to make my own choices, not dictated to by anyone as what I have to or cannot do. Sorry, but no. Well, this only: the freedom to think you have free will. But this doesn't change the game. The truth is simply you are not the doer. You are being done. You don't exist as separate from 'Source' and there is no you as 'me.' There is only Consciousness as 'I AM.' Hate ta have to tell ya...

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 16:57:43 (GMT) From: cOsMiC gErRy Email: None To: gErRy Subject: this is kinda funny... Message:

Even though my dad was a major dickhead, he had Goober pegged right off the bat. I remember in early '73, the Harrisburg ashram was raising money to get Lardass a bedroom suite just in case he came to town, (ha ha, like he really gave a shit about us) something appropriately luxurious for his golden personage. We were told to hit our parents up for the dough and when I asked my dad for a thousand dollars for the project, he laughed and replied, Uh, no, but I got a sleeping bag and an old army cot he can borrow...

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:03:03 (GMT) From: GERRY Email: None To: SELENE Subject: don't tell me your real name is.... Message:

ALICE BRAXTON !!! YES, hARRISBURG, pa ps whO THE HECK ISTHIS RED bUTLER GUY ANYWAY??? HAHAHAHAH

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 21:54:49 (GMT) From: Robyn Email: None To: GERRY Subject: don't tell me your real name is.... Message:

Dear GERRY, 'ps whO THE HECK ISTHIS RED bUTLER GUY ANYWAY???' Don't know but keep wanting to tell them it is Rhet, or something but I don't because I don't know how to spell it myself! :) Love, Robyn

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:05:39 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: GERRY Subject: I knew it!!! Message:

You started the whole red knighy thing and made my whole life a mess you bad boy. love you anyway. no my name was not alice back then but guess again....

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:25:20 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: Selene Subject: guess again?? Message:

Well, you're not that really sweet black girl who had that uncharacteristic hook nose whose name escapes me. Did you live in a premie house, who were your friends, when were you there? Come on give me some clues !!! Do you remember Charles Lumpkins, the sax player or Richard, the pimply faced jewish guy from LongIsland who was also a great musician and a heck of a nice guy? How about Bruce Eichelberger?

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Date: Thurs, May 25, 2000 at 18:28:59 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: gerry Subject: I lived in State College Message:

Used to visit. The only place to get the paperwork done. Weird state. and I have to get to the serious stuff now. But who cares? I'm just a chick.

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