Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Tues, Jun 06, 2000 at 09:30:47 (GMT)
From: May 25, 2000 To: Jun 03, 2000 Page: 4 Of: 5


Ralph -:- Don't sue me Roger -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:21:04 (GMT)
__ Roger eDrek -:- My name is Sue! How do you do? Now you gonna die! -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:30:20 (GMT)
__ Daneane -:- Despite his apparent character flaws... -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:50:26 (GMT)
__ Selene -:- they'll be springing up all over -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:27:34 (GMT)
__ __ Rolfing -:- roger.dodger -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:01:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- keep on non communicatin -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:14:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Helen -:- bwaa ha ha !(nt) -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:29:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Rolfing -:- bwaa ha -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 11:12:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- bwaa ha -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:31:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- kissing Jim -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:08:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- no and who are YOU nt -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 16:18:24 (GMT)

newcomer -:- who are you? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:34:58 (GMT)
__ gerry -:- who are you? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:48:16 (GMT)
__ __ newcomer -:- who are you? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:27:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ susan -:- who are you? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:30:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- Welcome Susan -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:37:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ susan -:- Welcome Susan -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:49:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Welcome Susan -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 03:39:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ susan.r -:- Welcome Susan -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 06:06:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Welcome Susan -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:46:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan.R. -:- Welcome Susan -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 06:50:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- 'mine, thine, wealth, health' -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 16:11:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jethro -:- Lubuvitch? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 07:57:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ susan.r -:- Lubuvitch? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 08:10:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jethro -:- Lubuvitch? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:29:31 (GMT)

gErRy -:- About raina--here's what I think... -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 23:30:29 (GMT)
__ Lotta Prem -:- I think Raina is Bruce... NT -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 04:50:48 (GMT)
__ __ Katie -:- I think Raina is Raina -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 04:58:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ Robyn -:- I think Raina is Raina -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 10:22:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ Lotta Prem -:- No Fair, Katie -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:01:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- No I don't! -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:16:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Really? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 08:00:43 (GMT)
__ raina -:- now offer the guest a beer dear! mr gracious host -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:15:54 (GMT)
__ __ gerry -:- Ho Hum, (yawn) did you say something raina? NT -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:28:36 (GMT)
__ hamzen -:- About raina--here's what I think... -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:09:05 (GMT)
__ __ raina -:- About raina--here's what I know... -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:19:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ hamzen -:- About raina--here's what I know... -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 11:39:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ raina -:- it's as if.... -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 15:53:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ raina -:- it's as if.... -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:33:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- that post is still there -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:28:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- it's as if.... -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:26:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- OK, experiment over......Bye bye -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 16:36:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- ?your testicles are being auctioned off on e-bay? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:36:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Got my number, Raina. Good work -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:54:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- it'll be hard 2 give up the laughter -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:01:04 (GMT)
__ Oliver -:- About raina--here's what I think... -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 23:35:01 (GMT)
__ __ SB -:- About raina--here's what I think... -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 23:40:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ raina -:- mise well be playing chess with a computer -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:40:34 (GMT)
__ __ Powerman -:- About raina--here's what I think... -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 23:39:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ Zelda -:- Raina is Rob -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 23:49:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ raina -:- Raina is Rob -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:30:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- don't kid about shit you know nothing about -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:39:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Zelda -:- Selene- apology- bad taste on my part. NT -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:51:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- it's ok, i overreacted probably -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:20:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ raina -:- don't kid about shit you know nothing about -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:21:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- what are men? oh those things.... -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:18:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ bb -:- what are men? oh those things.... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:26:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- I make exceptions -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:32:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ bb -:- I make exceptions -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 05:59:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- bartender! can we get a coupla shotz here plez? nt -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:30:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- so kind of you -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:33:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- so kind of you -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 03:43:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- no despise is much too strong a word -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 04:16:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Powerman -:- just read her posts (nt) -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:00:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ raina -:- just read her posts -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:43:30 (GMT)

gErRy -:- Yer next, Goober !!! -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 19:59:54 (GMT)
__ gErRy -:- Why? It's hilarious -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 20:59:00 (GMT)
__ Zelda -:- GeRrY-Dont joke like that! -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 20:53:33 (GMT)
__ __ Katie -:- Zelda - it DID happen! -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 21:18:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- Zelda - it DID happen! -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:35:30 (GMT)

Zelda -:- Marajis Lawyers bluffing - ISP careful -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 19:37:05 (GMT)
__ blood -:- bluff=temp shutdown=x's have great story for press -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 20:30:01 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- Headline hunters - let's have some more! -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 14:34:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ headliner -:- Headline hunters - let's have some more! -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:08:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Angry -:- Cross-Dressing 70's GURU censors Critics(nt) -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:27:20 (GMT)
__ __ Zelda -:- 'Former Boy God Asks Attorneys to Save Him' -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 20:46:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ hamzen -:- 'Guru blows his fuse, and 'admits' he is losing -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:30:49 (GMT)

A.P. -:- Miami Herald Article re Anonymity on Net -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 13:18:07 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- ...as Susan once said... -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 14:32:22 (GMT)
__ __ Deputy Dog -:- The best defence is the word of God! (nt) -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:08:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- What else you got, little Doggie? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:46:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jerry -:- The best defence is the word of God! (nt) -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 18:08:55 (GMT)
__ __ Susan -:- Susan is a parrot -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 15:23:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Actually, I think O.J. said that ...(?) (nt) -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 15:46:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Speaking of OJ... -:- Actually, I think O.J. said that ... -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 21:25:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- I know VP has said it... -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:38:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ VP -:- I know VP has said it... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 13:41:53 (GMT)
__ Angry -:- Miami Herald Article re Anonymity on Net -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 13:52:54 (GMT)
__ ged -:- Miami Herald Article re Anonymity on Net -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 13:49:29 (GMT)
__ __ Zelda -:- Is someone researching 'US copyright infringement' -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 19:03:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- Is someone researching 'US copyright infringement' -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:08:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Pics that are of the DLM India era -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:09:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Pics that are of the DLM India era -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 10:31:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Angry -:- Is someone researching 'US copyright infringement' -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:25:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Is someone researching 'US copyright infringement' -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 14:56:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Angry -:- Is someone researching 'US copyright infringement' -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 16:20:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Is someone researching 'US copyright infringement' -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:02:00 (GMT)

Angry -:- Shaking the Media's Memory/Merv -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:00:30 (GMT)
__ SB -:- I have that tape. (nt) -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:25:01 (GMT)
__ __ Angry -:- I have that tape. (nt) -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:31:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- I have that that too -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:33:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ SB -:- I think I'm going to the post office.....:))) nt -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:34:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Angry -:- I think I'm going to the post office/imagine this -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:56:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- So? You tell me....nt -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 20:54:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Angry -:- So? You tell me....nt/reply -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 09:49:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- So? You tell me....nt/reply -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 14:49:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Who now owns the copyright on DLM material? (nt) -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 15:00:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Good question... -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 15:02:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- It would be like a perfect spark if owned by DLM -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:16:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- SB BELIEVES THIS IS GOOD QUESTION EVERYONE! -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:55:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- FA's? Can you get rid of this Raina bitch? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:35:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Raina -:- Eat Me -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 05:14:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- There....satisfied? Ok, bye bye -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 05:27:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ raina -:- 'JIM' Official Spokesperson for EVERYONE! -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 07:28:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- I think I'm going to the post office/imagine this -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 14:41:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Angry -:- I think I'm going to the post office/imagine this -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 14:56:40 (GMT)

bell -:- maybe this isn't such a good time, but -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 10:21:18 (GMT)
__ Gail -:- Wake up, Bell. -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 14:51:52 (GMT)

Question to FA -:- How big business is The Forum? -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 10:16:02 (GMT)
__ Forum Administrator -:- How big business is The Forum? -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 11:38:06 (GMT)
__ __ Question to FA. -:- Are you stupid? -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:35:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ Brian -:- Money -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 09:14:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ raina -:- Internic registration is 70 every 2 years. -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 14:54:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ Forum Administrator -:- Are you stupid? -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 13:34:49 (GMT)

Loaf -:- SEARCH ENGINE UPDATES ? -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 05:52:42 (GMT)
__ Ralph -:- SEARCH ENGINE UPDATES ? An anti Rat solution -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 10:34:40 (GMT)
__ __ Katie -:- Ralph - need technical help! -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 15:53:22 (GMT)

Roger eDrek -:- Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 05:21:59 (GMT)
__ Tacky Romance Novelist -:- Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 03:50:26 (GMT)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- Baby! Shagadelic! I'm back in the pink now! -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:18:49 (GMT)
__ Marianne -:- Emperor has no clothes -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:08:15 (GMT)
__ __ blood -:- very nicely done Marianne(nt) -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:32:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ Marianne -:- Thank you -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:04:23 (GMT)
__ another supporter -:- Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 19:47:41 (GMT)
__ Gregg -:- SECRET! Don't read. -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 18:43:28 (GMT)
__ Roger eDrek -:- Thanks everybody! -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:51:55 (GMT)
__ Joe Whalen -:- My Testimonial -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:10:28 (GMT)
__ __ bb -:- My Testimonial -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:41:36 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- Dear Roger, my whites are whiter, my colours blind -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 16:01:09 (GMT)
__ blood -:- Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 15:15:22 (GMT)
__ __ Susan -:- Well Said Blood!!!!!! Nt -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 15:24:33 (GMT)
__ Katie -:- Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 14:45:07 (GMT)
__ Ralph -:- Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 10:53:18 (GMT)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:28:36 (GMT)
__ Zelda -:- Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 09:05:34 (GMT)
__ Loaf -:- Heres one for Ya -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 05:44:13 (GMT)
__ Susan -:- Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 05:33:10 (GMT)
__ raina -:- creating controversy... -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 05:33:00 (GMT)
__ __ raina -:- KATIE?Why'd ya think no one answered that post up -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 04:24:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- Do you really want to know what I think? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:14:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ raina -:- Do you really want to know what I think? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:48:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Do you really want to know what I think? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 06:11:58 (GMT)
__ __ totally bummed -:- o god hepl me... -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 07:39:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- To Totally B: Because you are brainwashed...... -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 21:01:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- o god heap it on me... -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:18:03 (GMT)

Katie -:- Latinoamericans - bringing SB up to the top -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 04:54:42 (GMT)
__ SB -:- Good idea Katie! -:- Fri, May 26, 2000 at 10:37:53 (GMT)


Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:21:04 (GMT)
From: Ralph
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Don't sue me Roger
Message:
But I've breached your copyright by lifting pictures from your site. You'd better get onto the phone and have a word with Maharaji's lawyers. I'm sure they'll give you some good advice on how to get this filth off the web.

Anyway, Click here for the blatant copyright infringement site. This shouldn't be allowed. There should be a law against it. If people can put this sort of disgusting perverse filth on the net - what's the world coming to.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:30:20 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Ralph
Subject: My name is Sue! How do you do? Now you gonna die!
Message:
More copyright infringement right there in that subject line.

Copyright infringement everywhere, everyday. I've copyrighted the word THE and you are all in a lot of trouble now!

Excellent, excellent job, Ralph!

Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall in the DOOM, Divine Office of Maharaji?

And for the rest of you with the exception of that asshole whose other posting names I've forgotten and whom I once made a post of his a ***BEST*** and then removed it and haven't heard the end of it since, keep up the good work! You'll all as bad as ever, but what would this party be without y'all?

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:50:26 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Ralph
Subject: Despite his apparent character flaws...
Message:
and various other self-ingratiating endeavors...I gotta admit, man, that guru has great tits.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:27:34 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Ralph
Subject: they'll be springing up all over
Message:
I have been saving all kinds of stuff from all over.
On a temp web server right now so won't be publishing but that is only temportary til I get organized and get a private ISP.
They can never keep this up. it's toooooooo funny!!
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:01:37 (GMT)
From: Rolfing
Email: None
To: you
Subject: roger.dodger
Message:
my tears go out for you
o woe is me
what a drag..to shut down a hate sight.
keep on hatin' and you'll be matein' with the ex-babes
roflmao
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:14:22 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Rolfing
Subject: keep on non communicatin
Message:
and that skin on your palms will keep thinnin
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:29:37 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: bwaa ha ha !(nt)
Message:
fjjksfj
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 11:12:55 (GMT)
From: Rolfing
Email: None
To: Helen/selene
Subject: bwaa ha
Message:
are u two lovers?
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:31:00 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Rolfing
Subject: bwaa ha
Message:
No but I would kiss Jim on the lips if people like you would go away.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:08:21 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: kissing Jim
Message:
I'd kiss him anyway :)
Just to keep people confused
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 16:18:24 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Rolfing
Subject: no and who are YOU nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:34:58 (GMT)
From: newcomer
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: who are you?
Message:
Hi there,who are you guys? What are your common experiences? Are you all ex cult members? Or only ex Maharaji members. For myself, I'm open minded, neither a beleiver or a non believer. I'm a curious bystander. I enjoy a well balanced intelligent conversation with like minded others. Newcomer.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:48:16 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: newcomer
Subject: who are you?
Message:
It should be fairly obvious who we are. Have you read much of the site? Most but not all here are either former Maharaji cult members or current cult members.

I think you can ascertain our common experiences for yourself by reading the 'journies' section of the main website.

You say you are neither a believer or non-believer. That begs the question: have you received the so-called 'knowledge?' And don't you think it would be polite, well balanced and intelligent to tell US a little more about YOURSELF?

Of course you are welcome to join in the conversation, but it may not mean much to you if you were never in the cult and know little about it.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:27:10 (GMT)
From: newcomer
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: who are you?
Message:
I was once in a cult and now out, and happy about it. My name is Susan.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:30:37 (GMT)
From: susan
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: who are you?
Message:
Hi Gerry, this is Susan. I was into a Jewish orthodox cult. I also received knowledge many years ago and never practised it.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:37:05 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: susan
Subject: Welcome Susan
Message:
Hi Susan,

You NEVER practised !!! What kind of premie were you anyway !!!
:)

Yeah, the 'nollige' wasn't too spicey anyway. Just a bunch of refried hindu meditation techniques.

What's a jewish orthodox cult? Fundamentalist bs, I presume?

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:49:08 (GMT)
From: susan
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Welcome Susan
Message:
Hi Gerry, Yeah it's all a lot of bull, isn't it. How long were you into your cult? I was into mine for about 13 years. Susan.R.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 03:39:57 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Welcome Susan
Message:
Hi Susan,
I've read a bit about how incredibly restrictive Orthodox Judiasm can be in certain communities,,,no socializing with others outisde the sect, difficult life for women. Please tell us more if you feel like it. There's another Susan here, you may want to use a last name initial or something to differentiate from her. Anyway, I am very interested in Judaism, would be interested in hearing more also about how /why you received knowledge and how you got free of the cult you were in.
Helen
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 06:06:16 (GMT)
From: susan.r
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Welcome Susan
Message:
Hi Helen, To start to express my feelings about what I have been through is quite difficult for me so maybe you could ask me more specific questions about the orthodox cult that I was part of. As you probably know it does take some time to see life from ones own eyes instead of someone elses. Susan.R.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:46:47 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: susan.r
Subject: Welcome Susan
Message:
Hi Susan,
My specific questions have to do with a novel I read by an author named Naomi Ragan called 'Jephte's Daughter.' The main character is in an arranged marriage to a man who is part of an Orthodox sect. It's all about her unhappiness and her finally getting the courage to leave. Naomi Ragan's books are all interesting because her characters find a middle ground eventually from being trapped by the extremist ultra-orthodox thinking, especially how it oppresses women, to finally integrating Judaism with their own will, and finding peace with their religion on their own terms. Of course they go through hell to get to that point.

my questions would be: 1) do you still hold your religion as important in your life, 2) have you found a less extremist congregation or fellowship, and 3) did you have to face public scorn, ridicule etc in order to leave this sect (as the characters in these novels did). 4) did you live in Israel or in the U.S. and 5) have you met others who have gone through similar circumstances?
Helen

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 06:50:29 (GMT)
From: Susan.R.
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Welcome Susan
Message:
To Helen, answers to your questions. At the moment I do not feel for religion at all, although my three children are still involved in the orthodox way of life when they spend time with their Dad. So to find the right balance is important to me. I am not interested in finding another organization at this stage. No I did not face public scorn, but it does happen to some people. I am in Australia, where are you from? Yes, I have met others in the community that I was in that have had similar experiences. Each persons story is unique. I would like to here some of your experiences. Bye for now, Susan.R.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 16:11:05 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Susan.R.
Subject: 'mine, thine, wealth, health'
Message:
I think co-parenting kids when the ex spouse is still involved in a cult has got to be excrucitaing. There are quite a few ex-premies here with that problem. Was your divorce due to your different attitudes toward the cult?
I think the nature of Maharaji's cult, as it was in the 70's, must have been very different from your expeiences, although I guess both organizations are based on ancient ways and beliefs--one Jewish, one Hindu. The youth culture's fascination with Hiduism, reincarnation, Eastern religion in general, in the 70's made the whole idea of having a Guru, 'acceptable'. And so surrendering had a 'logical'rationale in our 'reality map,' (as hamzen would say), however Kooky it seems now.

Does your orthodox cult have a leader? I am surprised at the idea of super religious Jewish sects having leaders since that seems to be de-emphasized in Judaism. I have alot more respect for JudeoChristian religion than for hinduism, because at least there seems to be some kind of ethical/moral code which is part of the religion. In its extreme, it reminds me of the AMish here inthe U.S. (I live in the Washington, DC area).The AMish stick together, no intermarriage, if you leave the sect you are 'shunned', you must build your barn according to certain specifications, the rationale being that these rules discipline/provide a framework with which to be humbled. SImilar to observing the kosher laws/head coverings for women, and the mikvah bath, observing the Sabbath by not handlign money, etc. A way to show allegiance/obedience to God. And of course the AMish are most famous for not using electricity...but they find clever ways around that, like getting rides to the market from neighbors...

what was the worst thing about your cult? I think the worst thing about being a premie was being made a fool of, being made to do things, to give up things, that our 'leader' wouldn't dream of sacrificing. 'Mine, thine, wealth, health, give them to the lotus feet of love....'--we used to sing this song 'arti' in which we said stuff like that. I personally surrendered my health as alot of other premies did. The other terrible things was the breaking down of the ego. I was never in the ashram or seriously practicing any of it, but I did get alot of brainwashing during the 2 years I was an aspirant, which is a real 'breaking down the ego' process.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 07:57:44 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: susan.r
Subject: Lubuvitch?
Message:
SusanR hello,
Which Jewish cult were you involved with?
(I was a Lubuvotcher many years ago)

Jethro

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 08:10:17 (GMT)
From: susan.r
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Lubuvitch?
Message:
Hi Jethro, I was involved with the Lubuvitch cult also. It would be great to dicuss your experiences in Lubuvitch, how you became involved, for how long etc., and are you inwardly free of this conditioning. Susan.R.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:29:31 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: susan.r
Subject: Lubuvitch?
Message:
Hi SuanR

I was in a Lubuvitch yeshiva(Kfar Habad) for a few months in 1970.

I lived in Israel at that time, and met up with them at a down period in my life. When I met them, they inspired me to be a more practicing Jew than I was.
I joined the yeshiva and started learning, but the trouble started when I started asking questions such, 'Rabbi, you are teaching us about God and his light, but have you ever seen him or his light?'. I was told not to ask such questions. The whole thing was controlled thinking...the crux came when I complained about the toilets being unhygenic, to which I was told 'This has nothing to do with Judaism'.

So I phoned a friend to come and 'rescue' me, he arrived with a very large joint and we drove away into the sunset.

So you can see my involvement wasn't for very long, but til this day I occassionally see old Lubuvitvh aquaitances and they accuse me of 'stealing Konwledge'.

I am not sure that Lubuvitch is any more cultish than any other religios sect. They just try and 'reccue' non-practicing Jews.

Well I don't know if this has been any help to you, but that was experience in a nutshell.

Take care Jethro


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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 23:30:29 (GMT)
From: gErRy
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: About raina--here's what I think...
Message:
Well out on the limb we go, wheee, and here comes Jimbo with his big stick and little dick, but I'm thinkin' 'raina' is a premie retread--ala catweasel or that jerk off 'us' 'me' and other such psuedos. Same lack of caps, same use of 'u' for 'you' etc., and same vacuous content.

A mere shit stirrer (sometimes mildly amusing) and someone who is here to distract and take away from the conversation. Personally I'm REAL sick of her, and after she (or he) throws her hissy fit over this post I'm boycotting all 'it's' posts.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 04:50:48 (GMT)
From: Lotta Prem
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: I think Raina is Bruce... NT
Message:
NT
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 04:58:49 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Lotta Prem
Subject: I think Raina is Raina
Message:
Anyone want to put money on it?
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 10:22:06 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: I think Raina is Raina
Message:
Yes, I agree. I have only read some of her posts but did read her write that her name means rain in Italian and other personal stories, can't think of any but I do think she is Raina. I don't understand lots of what I read that you write Raina but you sure aren't the first person here who's posts confuse me.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:01:21 (GMT)
From: Lotta Prem
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: No Fair, Katie
Message:
You have special knowledge.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:16:10 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Lotta Prem
Subject: No I don't!
Message:
I'm not an FA and I don't have access! I'm just relying on intuition here. Plus I LIKE Raina!
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 08:00:43 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Really?
Message:
But Katie, don't you find her unnecessarily rude to people who have done nothing to upset her and are just trying to talk?

I do, for sure (and won't be trying again).

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:15:54 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: anyone
Subject: now offer the guest a beer dear! mr gracious host
Message:
you are the most STIMULATING welcomer!
look at you up there! all gracious and confident!
truly inspiring!

(maybe suggest a Heineken for the 'Journey's' dept?)

you (this is SO for real) won't believe this but!
a 'welcomer' at WalMart once came up to me and
whispered in my ear 'I don't mind if you bend over
but would ya smile while you're doing it?' (quote)

and when i walked (in shock over to the customer
counter to tell them (what i knew they'd never believe)
the old guy actually yelled over to us 'What's the matter?
All i said was that she should smile while she bends over?'

what my ears have heard....

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:28:36 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Ho Hum, (yawn) did you say something raina? NT
Message:
zzzzzzzzzz to quote SB:)
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:09:05 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: About raina--here's what I think...
Message:
I think she is a reneegade premie a la mili in his non-devotional phases.

Think she's got way too much awareness & intelligence to be catweasle, in fact is too sharp to be a bog standard premie, honest about others in a way she couldn't be if she was a bog-st'd p.

Very sensitive, over idealistic, why be so prickly at such a level unless there's a lot more vulnerability than the norm, which because of her 'experiences' means she's hyper detached and over sensitive.

But like everyone else, after a short period of interest (she reminds me of myself about ten years ago), see her as a bit if distracting floss in terms of this site.

If the mind/word games didn't smell of 'power over' as defence, the classical spiritual ego mechanism for renegade p's, I could imagine her being good company in the flesh, once the defensive checking out had lessened.

Well raina, you have rather asked for this thread, and I suspect that part of you will be loving this attention, even as you bitch about the shallowness of everyone around you.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:19:14 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: About raina--here's what I know...
Message:
notice the time of my last post to Gerry (down there somewhere in a Jim thread about anonymity)? do you think he posted this thread after reading mine ?(posted at 22:47:26?) or did he 'swear to never read again' (sorry to make you feel so bothered! really?)....

while i was writing that/down there post, i was enjoying reminiscing a little, starting to feel comfortable....

the only other person i've read in this here thread was powerman's...i used to have a little thing for him! (boo-hoo)....until i started reading more of him actually-so i'm over that...no skin...no actually i read the guy who said something about 'swear NEVER to read raina' (!).........funny, i never had the urge to tell anyone here how much i despised them (unless in my own self-defense during the gang-banging you psychos love to push on) the way you all seem to be trying to corner me!

how nice that you all 'know' each other 'so' well!
should i give you the secret to hurting my feelings? would you like that?
come on beg me.....(no don't really-i just felt like saying that with a may west accent)

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 11:39:35 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: ham@hamzen.freeserve.co.uk
To: raina
Subject: About raina--here's what I know...
Message:
Raina, while acknowledging, in a couple of your posts I've read today, that you're slightly less cryptic at the moment & thus easier to read, remember this is virtual reality, the notion of redundancy becomes even more crucial.
Now considering the bit of your reality map that you've shared, that's gonna go right against the grain. A problem, both ways, for you and anyone else attempting a communication dance with you.

'the way you all seem to be trying to corner me!'

Maybe that's because you're the one sitting in the corner with the poncho (!) around you, in sombrero down mode- having lots of communications about only three subjects-yourself, communication
and the shitty head state of the human race, whereas most people are here to discuss the subject matter, and have wasted so much time with brain dead frivolous premies trying to be knowingly cryptic while never answering a straight question, overly defensive etc etc.

If you wear the tactics of the opposing team, while never actually saying who you support,
well the results are going to be pretty predictable.

NB e-mail add, obviously only if you want
blah de blah


how much i despised them (unless in my own self-defense during the gang-banging you psychos love to push on)

And how do you know that for others, your arrogance when it leaks, (and that's no big deal), for whatever reason you're like that, isn't perceived as 'aggressive'?

Shame really, think you have something to offer this site, cest la vie,
but coming on like an american visiting a third world country with that wonderful patronising tone
is hardly etc etc

Sorry raina, I'm running out of steam, and I just don't have enough spare time or energy.
Remember, others wanna be loved just as much as you,

so in the spirit of more unsolicited advice a little more humility wouldn't go amiss

remember after all, most of us here are ex- premies

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 15:53:30 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: it's as if....
Message:
this thread was originally set up like a public execution, or even a lock stock, where people have been invited to throw tomatoes, (even kind comments are puzzling).

no....i don't expect anyone to read my posts ever.....originally i thought i'd get lucky and meet some brain exchange........i've told TONS about myself, and so WHY would i need to read people, who sound like they're into 4th grade popularity contests, dare me to get more and more personal? i certainly don't!

i think perhaps the most memorable moment for me here was watching Gerry going after Jim a few weeks ago..ONLY because it was so ridiculous AND because i was that bored!!! this forum has become little more than a test of my nerves!

i have been attacked from day one.........and so seem to wear armor.......but actually i have been acting like a mirror (even tho that's so hard for you to see and believe).....

the waste of time is beyond absurd at this point (out of the blue sumcunt named daneane (a TOTAL stranger) will address a post to me that is a TOTAL jab!!! 'TO RAINA: 'Oh how cute! Jim has a little shadow! nt' she posts.....and then when i don't lock horns with her she KEEPS trying to get to me pissy! and then......
THAT'S when 'Helen' types come 'to the rescue' sounding like my mother! 'suggesting' that i might 'tone things down! and stop arguing with people!' !!!!when ALL i'm doing is being KIND enough to give them a dose of their own medicine....(i even wrote a funny little ditty about Daneane and Jim in funky imagery to shut her up and it seems to have been removed!!! it wasn't even graphic!!! it was subtle....'a maiden and laiden sort of thing' i wrote..............this place is going nowhere i can see that..........(if i'm mistaken about that post being censored-my apologies-but i'm pretty sure it was removed....and of course then they leave Danenane's post 'innocently' saying 'i have no idea what u r talking about!!!'............as if she's jsut an innocent bystander! but again...even when i react to people........it's usually with a sense of humour and poetic license etc........

the only reason i am here is because i really am curious about my observations, my experiments if you will, in this subject of 'communication'...........it puzzles me why people act so badly than try to blame someone else.............i thought i might find people who are REALLY trying to recover from the rocky road that's left me with 4 flat tires........

as a kid i wondered why ducks and chickens would sometimes turn on one of their coop mates...and peck them to death...............i'm the same kid.....

i've lived most of my life as a beloved, cherished even, yes! even 'popular' person...........but discovered how shallow it was soon enough.....and so now i just don't care....

i always blamed a follower of M's for being responsible for fucking up my life (someone who claims he used to live with M, care for his planes, almost crash into walls when M was in a bad mood with him! smoked with him as a teenager etc! (so many stories we never got to share because instead we needed to play week long matches of attack and defend raina)..................one of those FUCKED up egomaniacs that i'm now realizing more than ever (ironically) was probably the same ...


oh fuck this.....

swan song..........

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:33:57 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: it's as if....
Message:
this thread was originally set up like a public execution, or even a lock stock, where people have been invited to throw tomatoes, (even kind comments are puzzling).

If you mean that people here will gang up a bit if they feel theres a need for protecting this site, yes then I think you're right, you're seen as a possible threat I suspect, have an element of that view myself.
Raina although you very rarely smell like a premie to me, the mirroring technique verging on 'giving lessons', which could be interpreted as spiritual arrogance and a tried & tested technique for premies fucking up the site, is a challenging one for here.
Also I can't believe it is your normal mode of communication in the real world, do you really expect any different a reaction, or rather are you really hoping against hopes that someone will be able to deal with it?

no....i don't expect anyone to read my posts ever.....originally i thought i'd get lucky and meet some brain exchange........i've told TONS about myself, and so WHY would i need to read people, who sound like they're into 4th grade popularity contests, dare me to get more and more personal? i certainly don't!
And you would like that brain exchange by talking about and thinking of all the people here in that tone?
Well I admire you for the scale of the challenges you set yourself, and you must be one hell of a confident person to take people on in this way, and stiill hope for them to like you, or is this a test of their 'sincerity'?.

i have been attacked from day one.........and so seem to wear armor.......but actually i have been acting like a mirror (even tho that's so hard for you to see and believe).....

I've known what you've been doing, & why with the mirroring and the armor, that's why I'm still bothering to speak, but so do most people here - I thought, the cryptic word games of individual posts are my problem, wasting time etc

when ALL i'm doing is being KIND enough to give them a dose of their own medicine....

!! Ver close to medicine woman/shaman type approach, unsolicited I might add, and risky in an ex-guru cult environment, even when i react to people........it's usually with a sense of humour and poetic license etc........
but that doesn't excuse it

it puzzles me why people act so badly than try to blame someone else.............
At this stage, since this is exactly the way you come over, I start thinking you're just taking the piss??

i thought i might find people who are REALLY trying to recover from the rocky road that's left me with 4 flat tires........
You're so impatient, chill out a bit, soak up the flavours, there's a subtle one to be learnt here.

i've lived most of my life as a beloved, cherished even, yes! even 'popular' person...........but discovered how shallow it was soon enough.....and so now i just don't care....
This I can relate to bigtime, I found a follow through on that one, and you're game enough to get it as well, IF that isn't too patronising!

i always blamed a follower of M's for being responsible for fucking up my life (someone who claims he used to live with M, care for his planes, almost crash into walls when M was in a bad mood with him! smoked with him as a teenager etc! (so many stories we never got to share because instead we needed to play week long matches of attack and defend raina)..................one of those FUCKED up egomaniacs that i'm now realizing more than ever (ironically) was probably the same ...

yeah well, renegader premies especially sixties veterans are the worst for holy deception, especially where they know a few tricks,
can say because I used to have loads of that in me, blah de blah

well if you do go, can honestly say you've been pretty entertaining

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:28:07 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: that post is still there
Message:
Raina,
Your post is still there--the one you say was deleted, it's called 'Just a shot away.'
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:26:11 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: it's as if....
Message:
raina,
Why are kind compliments puzzling?

Who was this M person that fucked up your life- like it's any of my business- can we name names here - I mean if you wanted to.

Elaine

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 16:36:57 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: OK, experiment over......Bye bye
Message:
the only reason i am here is because i really am curious about my observations, my experiments if you will, in this subject of 'communication'...........it puzzles me why people act so badly than try to blame someone else.............i thought i might find people who are REALLY trying to recover from the rocky road that's left me with 4 flat tires........

Are we finished yet? Just leave, will you please? Go tell someone else about how [....] or [.....] we are here, how you tried to [......] with us but we just couldn't [.........]. Whatever, Raina. Just leave.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:36:47 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: ?your testicles are being auctioned off on e-bay?
Message:
have they been in formaldehyde since the 'monastery' daze?

you remind me of the Bob Dole Viagra commercial in some essential way....

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:54:34 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Got my number, Raina. Good work
Message:
Yes, Raina, that's my problem. Now, why don't you just fuck off? Your hypocrisy is so deep and wild it throws your very sanity into question. How someone could mumble such an obscure rant as yours and blame others for bad communciation skills is amazing. Anyone else reading your posts here would see that. But, unfortunately for you, you're everyone but anyone else. So you'll never get it.

That's why I think you can't possibly have any friends. You're in your own world, Raina, aren't you? Everyone either wants to ignore you, fuck you or fuck you over. Poor, poor Raina.

Again, whatever. You still have no business doing what you're doing here. Being nuts is only a partial excuse.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:01:04 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: it'll be hard 2 give up the laughter
Message:
like tv that talks back........

you're meaningless electricity to me in this form (forum).

think i could make a living as an excorsist?
probably not long lived huh!?

were you the guy who shot that texas dj?

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 23:35:01 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: About raina--here's what I think...
Message:
I agree with every word and have for some time now sworn to not open, read or reply to any message that this time waster posts on the forum.
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 23:40:12 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Oliver
Subject: About raina--here's what I think...
Message:
I agreE. A waste of time and people are answering honestlY and the jerk probably is laughing her/his ass off!OUT! sHE/hE IS A FAKE!!
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:40:34 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: anyone
Subject: mise well be playing chess with a computer
Message:
do these people actually see themselves as some sort of roundtable?

imagine wanting to kill a comedian for not making you laugh?
or just imagine wanting to kill anyone?
what ugly vibes you're exuding,
because you have so much trouble just saying nothing

is that american women still in prison in Peru?
lori? something?

does anyone know?
cause while you're taking it up the ass from peple who make you nauseaus?
...people are dying... so i hear.....

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 23:39:13 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Oliver
Subject: About raina--here's what I think...
Message:
Same here. No Raina for me... all jibberish.
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 23:49:08 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: Raina is Rob
Message:
just kidding
I have not read much - can see that sparring is important to he/she/it.
Has Raina not conveyed a true anti cult sentiment on here?
what makes you think that?
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:30:39 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: Raina is Rob
Message:
just because i don't walk away from something someone confronts me with doesn't mean IT is 'important' to me. As it is to try to help the one's with the questions i do what is being asked of me. so it is doubly insulting to ironically lower oneself to the ridiculous engagement out of kindness, only to end up eaten by confused beasts.........this place makes me feel what M might be feeling? like a sacrifice? who would argue?

and fuck whoever has the nerve to insult needlessly...so mindlessly....so already dead.....

do i have to include a lesson in all my communications to assure my own feelings of security? because people have their eye on a covet? (this is meant in general...not to you specif...

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:39:13 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: don't kid about shit you know nothing about
Message:
sometimes people's feelings are involved. Or do you care?
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:51:24 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Selene- apology- bad taste on my part. NT
Message:
NT
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:20:17 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: it's ok, i overreacted probably
Message:
what the hell do I know about how someone else might be feeling right now anyway? sorry.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:21:04 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: don't kid about shit you know nothing about
Message:
no way! i once declared my 'love' for powerman!
(i've ALWAYS had bad taste in men!)
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:18:47 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: what are men? oh those things....
Message:
yeah :) here we on on expremie.org. That should say something about taste in men right there, at least for me.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:26:52 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: what are men? oh those things....
Message:
Selene!
Dont go breakin my heart, I love you!
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:32:27 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: I make exceptions
Message:
All the time!!
But... your email keeps bou bou bou bou bouncin
What's a girl to do???
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 05:59:04 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: I make exceptions
Message:
thanks for the info, I dont go there much and it must be full.
I should delete some of those 3 year old messages!
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:30:15 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: bartender! can we get a coupla shotz here plez? nt
Message:
kl
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 02:33:12 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: so kind of you
Message:
nt to you too sweetie
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 03:43:05 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: so kind of you
Message:
'no text to me too'?

such a sensitive time...
if you were to suddenly reveal to me how much you've too despised me all along....!
what can i say? that's what life is like for me! one surprise after another....

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 04:16:36 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: no despise is much too strong a word
Message:
I don't take any interpersonal relationships here that seriously anymore.
I used to. But I don't anymore.
You are an excellent writer and that is something I admire deeply
That's about all I have to say. Hope that enough.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:00:11 (GMT)
From: Powerman
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: just read her posts (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:43:30 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Powerman
Subject: just read her posts
Message:
you're so cute sometimes
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 19:59:54 (GMT)
From: gErRy
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Yer next, Goober !!!
Message:
Mob Attacks Guru Maharaji
P.M. News (Lagos)
July 7, 1999
By Ayodele Ale & Dapo Jide

Lagos - The Iju Lagos shrine of Sat Guru Maharaji, the 'Perfect living Master' came under attack this morning as protesters set it on fire to protest the killing of a Ghanaian.

P.M. News learnt, that the Ghanaian, whose name was not known as at press time, was killed yesterday evening at the Iju shrine of Guru by his devotees, when he came to rescue his elder sister who had been in Guru Maharajis' custody for close to five years.

Sources disclosed to P.M. News that the 'Perfect Living Master' was at the shrine at the time of the onslaught. The timely intervention of the policemen drafted from Oko Oba Area station prevented the lynching of Guru immediately the victim was certified dead at the Osuntunji Medical Hospital located about one kilometre from the shrine. The corpse of the deceased was dumped at the entrance of the shrine, where it was until it was taken to a mortuary in Lagos. Guru was said to have escaped around 11.00 p.m. last night in his red Mercedez Benz. The protester however stormed the shrine this morning and set the place ablaze, while the properties in it were looted.

Items including funiture, cooking utensils fan, religious books, pumping machine, computer, refrigerators, telephone boxes, grinding machine, television, drum set, electrical applicances a 504 station wagon with registration number LA 2296 AG and others were set ablaze. Similarly, Guru's portraits, flowers and other symbols of worship were destroyed. Residents who spoke to P.M. News described it as good riddance to bad rubbish due to the misdeeds of the religious leader and his devotees. 'His judgement time has come' says one Moses Akanni. Meanwhile, the devotees have abandoned the shrine, while anti-crime policemen who came in a vehicle with rgistration number PF 4820 LA are still keeping vigil there.


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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 20:59:00 (GMT)
From: gErRy
Email: None
To: zelda
Subject: Why? It's hilarious
Message:
What in the world do you mean 'it could easily happen?' What?
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 20:53:33 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: GeRrY-Dont joke like that!
Message:
Thats not funny. It could easily happen.
I dont think we should go too far when we make up press resleases.
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 21:18:05 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: Zelda - it DID happen!
Message:
There was a guy in Nigeria who learned the techniques from Maharaji, and then copied Maharaji's entire presentation and set HIMSELF up as 'Guru Maharaji'. We have had ex-followers of this 'Nigerian Maharaji' post on this site, and the cult sounded unbelievably awful. I believe Gerry's article is actually true (correct me if I'm wrong, Gerry).
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:35:30 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Zelda - it DID happen!
Message:
A more recent development (Oct 21 1999) is at Africa News Online:

The headline runs:

Guru Maharaj Ji May Be Rearrested

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 19:37:05 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Marajis Lawyers bluffing - ISP careful
Message:
Below I have pasted from below some copyright stuff.
It seems to be clear that the content of any of these sites is ok

Looking at the forum over the past few days, I imagine myself as his cronies getting satisfaction from the chaos they have supposedly created by their letters to the ISPs.

I know for a fact that high flying lawyer think nothing of bluffing because they have little to lose.

Something is not right. I have a few questions
- Are ISPs versed on copyright rules

- Would they err on the side of caution if they got a scary letter?

- Is the letter/s from the law firm enough for the ISP to take action. (apparently yes but if given the correct info they might reverse the decision)

- would another law firm or lawyer be able to send a letter to the ISP desribing the copyright rules and advising that their client is not in breach

- Does the sites that have been closed down have the right to ask the lawyers for specifics about what content is under suspicion.

Here is the post from below

From:
http://www.eff.org/pub/Intellectual_property/copyright.faq

2.8) Can I ever use a copyrighted work without
permission of the copyright holder, or 'What is
'fair use?''

In any analysis of copyright, it's important to remember the
law's constitutional purpose: to promote science and
the useful arts.

'Fair use' is a doctrine that permits courts to avoid rigid application of the copyright statute when to do otherwise would stifle the very creativity that copyright law is designed to foster.

The doctrine of fair use recognizes that the exclusive rights
inherent in a copyright are not absolute, and that non-holders of the copyright are entitled to make use of a copyrighted work that
technically would otherwise infringe upon one or more of the
exclusive rights.

Although fair use originated 'for purposes such as criticism,
comment, news reporting, teaching, ... scholarship, or
research,' it also applies in other areas, as some of the examples below illustrate. However, courts seem more willing to accept an assertion of fair use when the use falls into one of the above categories.

Perhaps more than any other area of copyright, fair use is a
highly fact-specific determination. Copyright Office document
FL102 puts it this way: 'The distinction between 'fair use' and
infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no
specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of th copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.'

The document then quotes from the 1961 Report of the Register
of Copyrights on the General Revision of the U.S. Copyright
Law., providing the following examples of activities that
courts have held to be fair use:

- Quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for
purposes of illustration or comment;
- Quotation of short passages in a scholarly or
technical work for illustration or clarification of the author's observations;
- Use in a parody of some of the content of the work
parodied;
- Summary of an address or article with brief
quotations, in a news report;
- Reproduction by a library of a portion of a work
to replace part of a damaged copy;
- Reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson;
- Reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial
proceedings or reports;
- Incidental and fortuitous reproduction in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an
event being reported.

Document FL102 is included in Copyright Office information kit
102 ('Fair Use'), which can be ordered from the Copyright
Office.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 20:30:01 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: bluff=temp shutdown=x's have great story for press
Message:
This whole situation is such a wonderful opportunity for all of us to learn to write well and to submit articles to every news organization we can find. The internet is so trendy and in the news right now. We couldn't ask for a better scenario to expose the M.

He has handed us this one.

We just have to do as he always taught us and 'make effort.'

Someone will pick up the story if we keep trying. They may even be able to turn up information we have been unable to uncover. I would so love to see the news ticker dancing across my screen. running the words,

'Lord of the Universe Silences Opposition'

or
Guru resorts to high price lawyer to tame former flock's websites

or
Perfect Master takes action against non-believers

or
Holy Man can't buy his brand of justice in cyberspace

or
Control Freak Guru Learns He Can't Control the Web

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 14:34:18 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Headline hunters - let's have some more!
Message:
Really liked that headline of yours, Blood:

GURU RESORTS TO HIGH-PRICE LAWYERS
TO TAME FORMER FLOCK'S WEBSITES


Headline writing is an art in itself, and IMO you've got a winner there.

Off the top of my head, the best I can come up with at the moment is:

'GURU GOES GAGA - SILENCES FREE SPEECH'

Any more out there?

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:08:29 (GMT)
From: headliner
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Headline hunters - let's have some more!
Message:
How 'bout 'Goober Shits the Bed !!!
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:27:20 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: headliner
Subject: Cross-Dressing 70's GURU censors Critics(nt)
Message:
abc
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 20:46:32 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: 'Former Boy God Asks Attorneys to Save Him'
Message:
Hello Blood
Yes you are right there.

'Predicament at Palace Poses Poser'

'Lawyers Bluff has Faithful Wondering'

'Crowned God Frowns Upon Free Speech Web Site'

'60s Guru Joins Net Wars'

'High Flying Local God Makes Good- but Needs Help with Flock Rebels'

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:30:49 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: 'Guru blows his fuse, and 'admits' he is losing
Message:
the plot probably because his $1m income is slipping below acceptable levels. Can you imagine how expensive it is to play out the role of a fake guru, serious lolly.

As usual for people whose egos are larger than their bellies, with low level social skills, when they blow they blow. Since it is patently obvious to anyone following this inheritor of the family business over the years, because he is so out of touch with the real world he hasn't understood that surrender not more control is required.'

Pyscho-babble weekly newsheet.

But then he never did understand the subtle concept of less is more.

He has now opened the doors, and the fllood will pore through,
what a sad man.

If it wasn't already comical, it certainly is now, apart from the boredom of the situation that the site owners have on their hands.

I wonder why yhis whole situation increasingly reminds me of pig sticking.

What a shallow and again, sad little man he is.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 13:18:07 (GMT)
From: A.P.
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Miami Herald Article re Anonymity on Net
Message:
As printed in the Miami Herald Today 5/26......

A Miami Dade Circuit Court judge on Thrusday ordered America Online and Yahoo to divulge the identity of an anonymous message writer sued for defamation by Ft. Lauderdale businessman J. Erik Hvide-saying Hvide has every right to face his accuser.
Although the issus of releasing identities behind screen names had been at the core of much legal debate, attorneys in this case and national experts believe Circuit Judge Eleanor Schockett's ruling is the first court order to question whether 'John Doe' has a constitutional right to anonymous speech on the Internet.
'Give them anonymity and nothing holds them back,' she said. 'That's why the KKK wears hoods.'
Schockett deemed Hvide's right to face his accuser in court more important than the defendant's right ot remain nameless.
'It sends the message, you can have you say if it's responsible,' she said in a hearing in her downtown Miami chambers.
Hvide, former chief executive officer of Hvide Marine, alleges that an un-named person--who posted under such names as 'justhefactsjack' made defamatory comments, calling Hvide a criminal, in AOL and Yahoo chat rooms. He denies the charge, and Hvide doesn't have a criminal record in Florida. But his Ft. Lauderdale attorney, Bruce D. Fishman, could not sue someone he could not find.
Privacy advocates said the ruling sends a frightening message to internet users: If you critique someone online, a lawsuit may be coming you way.
'This has become an increasingly common tactic to silence criticism on the net.' Said David Sobel, general councel for the Washington, D.C. based Electronic Privacy Information Center. 'If the courts decline to provide some protection for anonymity, then that really is a negative development for free speech on the Internet.'
In recent years, people under attack from anonymous message-posters have increasingly relied on subpoenas to root out their attackers' identities. But Yahoo rarely notified its customer when they were being sued, so the anonymous wirters had no chance to challenge the subpoena. Thinking their screen names were protection enough, they were unmasked without a fight.
But under pressure form such agencies as Sobel's, Yahoo recently changed that policy. Havide's anonymous critic had time to hire a lawyer.
That lawyer, Christopher K Leigh of Ft. Lauderdale, contended in oral arguments that 'anonymith encourages candor and frank discussion where it wouldn't normally occur.'
Schockett countered that anonymity encourages irresponsibility.
Yahoo attorney Clifford A. Wolff said the Internet company would not take a position one way or antoher ont eh issue-but indicated the company wouldn'g contest a judge's order.
Amid mounting financial troubles, Hvide stepped down in June 1999 after 29 years running his family's Prot Everglades company.Hvide Marine, a publicly traded global marine services company with 50 million in revenues, filed for barkruptcy 2 months later.
Under a half-dozen screen names, the online postings started in 1998 and accused Hvide of criminal activity and running the company into the ground. Hvide's attorney subpoenaed Yahoo for the poster's identities. Ther were all traced back to on e-mail address at AOL.
'We can't do a thing about it without litigating it,' Fishman argued before the judge. 'Let me take his deposition.'
But the American Civil Liberites Union of Florida, which urged Schockett to keep the indentity secret, fears the decision could set millions of chat room users on edge about every posting they make.
'Hvide made general allegation about being criticized and being damaged, and I thing the judge needs to look into toshe before opening the door to a policy that may threaten free speech ont he Internt,' ACLU Executive Director Howard Sigmon said after the hearing.
Schockett placed a 20-day stay on her ruling to allow time for an appeal, but Leigh said his client has not decided wheter to appeal.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 14:32:22 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: A.P.
Subject: ...as Susan once said...
Message:
'The best defence is the truth'.

Anth who'd love a day in court.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:08:38 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: The best defence is the word of God! (nt)
Message:
Ephesians 6:10-20
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:46:57 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: What else you got, little Doggie?
Message:
How about your opinion as to the ethics of Maharaji trying to shut us down? Don't forget, it's not as if he's ever deigned to discuss anything ever alleged here. Despite endless entreaties to talk, nothing. Instead, this pathetic effort to stifle dissent.

Are you proud of him today?

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 18:08:55 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: The best defence is the word of God! (nt)
Message:
Who cares?
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 15:23:15 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Susan is a parrot
Message:
Anth, thanks for crediting me but every one of our attorney friends have used these exact words in conversation with me.

I would just bet they are quoting some great legal mind.

Jim, Marianne, Joe? Is there an original source we should credit?

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 15:46:28 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Actually, I think O.J. said that ...(?) (nt)
Message:
fff
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 21:25:31 (GMT)
From: Speaking of OJ...
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Actually, I think O.J. said that ...
Message:
O.J. Simpson Attacked By Girlfriend

According to news reports, Miami police intervened in a domestic altercation between O.J. Simpson and girlfriend Christie Prody early Wednesday morning at the Wyndham Hotel. Prody, standing 5'8', allegedly began slapping and kicking the 6'1' Simpson after a late-night yelling match turned physical. Since Simpson showed no obvious injury and refused to cooperate with the nvestigation, plus the officers had not witnessed the violence firsthand, no charges were filed. While Prody later gave a brief comment to APBnews.com about people blowing things out of proportion, she refused a more extensive interview, claiming another media outlet was paying her to interview with them first.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:38:23 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I know VP has said it...
Message:
...but he probably got it from one of the lawyers that he has on retainer. He said 'the defense against slander is the truth.', which is similar.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 13:41:53 (GMT)
From: VP
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: I know VP has said it...
Message:
I was checking out Court TV when a friend of mine got it (we don't have it here yet) We watched a bit of the Carroll O'Conner trial. He called that guy who sold his son drugs a drug dealer and they guy sued him for it. Turns out he WAS a drug dealer. Truth got Carroll off.
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 13:52:54 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: A.P.
Subject: Miami Herald Article re Anonymity on Net
Message:
Wouldn't a cult have to prove damages...open their books, maybe even prove they've ever done anything of value?
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 13:49:29 (GMT)
From: ged
Email: None
To: A.P.
Subject: Miami Herald Article re Anonymity on Net
Message:
Interesting state of affairs, although I think in the case of M , he is never going to sue because to do so would mean putting the spotlight on his murky affairs and, besides, most of what is said in here is absolutely true. I for one would provide my identity to anyone from EV who feels they have a case against me for saying that Maharaji is a fruad, I and countless others would welcome the opportunity to expose the Ex-lord for the fake he is.
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 19:03:33 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: ged
Subject: Is someone researching 'US copyright infringement'
Message:
rules? Because a law firm would be willing to send a bluff letter to the ISP because Mahahahehe wanted it.

Such a letter would be very careful worded. Ie: not accusing the recipient of anything but saying that their client believes or feels somthing aint right.

So then the ISP would err on the side of caution and delete the whole site. Which is what Mehehe wants.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:08:31 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: Is someone researching 'US copyright infringement'
Message:
I think those of us who are interested in this could/should ALL make our own searches of the available information. Y'know - the more bloodhounds on the search ...


The following is from http://www.arl.org/info/frn/copy/osp.html:

QUOTE:
Among the elements of the notice and takedown process are the following:

Proper written notification from a copyright owner to an OSP must include:

* the name, address and electronic signature of the complaining party,
* sufficient information to identify the copyrighted work or works,
* the infringing matter and its Internet location,
* a statement by the owner that it has a good faith belief that there is no legal basis for the
use of the materials complained of, and
* a statement of the accuracy of the notice and, under penalty of perjury, that the
complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner.

Any misrepresentation of material facts will subject the offending party to claims for
damages and attorneys fees.

ENDQUOTE


Me - I'm no lawyer, but if you ain't got permission from the copyright owner to publish a picture he/she owns, then I'd say there was 'no legal basis for the use of the materials complained of'.

The answer? Find pics of the Maha that he doesn't own the copyright on. Could Satpal help here perhaps? Or maybe even a picture library might have some.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:09:41 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: cq
Subject: Pics that are of the DLM India era
Message:
Agent Everglades Free Picture Collection that goes way, way back to India.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 10:31:04 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Pics that are of the DLM India era
Message:
Thanks Roger,

The question is: would using these pics on a website be inviting a letter from the Maha's lawyers?

(now there's an incentive for you ...!)

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:25:23 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Is someone researching 'US copyright infringement'
Message:
I think it would be helpful to identify what materials are claimed as copyright infringement. Anything claimed from DLM days would be an interesting implied admission of the DLM/EV connection.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 14:56:24 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: Is someone researching 'US copyright infringement'
Message:
To find out what materials ARE claimed as infringing copyright you would have to contact either Rawat's lawyers or the ISPs that received the letters. The sensible thing would be for the exes whose sites were shut down to request their ISPs for this info.

However, if the Service Provider was not given -

* sufficient information to identify the copyrighted work or works,

then the notice to remove the offending material was just a bluff by M's big-money lawyers. If so, it might prove to be an expensive bluff for the Maha. (as if can't afford another mistake).

But what would you do if you were an ISP provider with no axe to grind in this case - especially if the webspace is given for free?

You guessed it, - do what the money tells you, and stay in business.


BTW, the fact that Mr Rawat's lawyers have not attempted to close down THIS site - can that be taken as meaning that he has no objection to the photos/quotes that are used HERE?

After all, there must be plenty of photos of him that he doesn't own copyright on, which could easily be used instead of any that are copyright - and as for the textual material, quoting parts of his speeches for the purposes of educational evaluation and critical comment can surely NEVER be against the law?

Can it?

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 16:20:21 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Is someone researching 'US copyright infringement'
Message:
I would think that quoting some of HIS divine hogwash would be no different than any written paper, where the author quotes a source. Who would want to plagiarize that crap?
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:02:00 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: Is someone researching 'US copyright infringement'
Message:
I think I get your meaning, 'though plagiarising is strictly meant to refer to attempts to pass off (as one's own) other works by another author. No way would I want that when quoting the Maha!
(which reminds me - I must give the source of my quotes more often)
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:00:30 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Shaking the Media's Memory/Merv
Message:
I am currently making initial contact with a local network affiliate. In order to help them jog their memory banks, I suggested they access the Boy Guru's appearance on The Merv Griffin show. I wonder if that tape still exists. No copyright infringement there.
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:25:01 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: I have that tape. (nt)
Message:
I have a tape called Windows In Time that includes a section of that program's interview. Free to have it.
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:31:43 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: I have that tape. (nt)
Message:
Interesting! I am now trying to find media references to the slimeball's 1973 Astrodome Cultarama. What I need is stuff the media can find in their or other network/press archives.

I really enjoy your presence here. Thanks.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:33:24 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: I have that that too
Message:
Original Divine Times!!!
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:34:20 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: I think I'm going to the post office.....:))) nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:56:35 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: I think I'm going to the post office/imagine this
Message:
The local affiliate opens with WHERE IS HE NOW. Then shows the clip of fat boy with Merv. They then show clips of cult members arriving at fat man's current program. Some will deny that Guru Maharaj Ji and Maharaji are the same person. Some won't. Secrecy of the cult comes back to haunt!
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 20:54:01 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: So? You tell me....nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 09:49:28 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: So? You tell me....nt/reply
Message:
Hi-

I too kept much M memorabilia. However, you seem to have a much more extensive collection. It's funny, sort of, that our original intentions for keeping them were for inspirational reasons. Now, as it turns out, they are for historical preservation of the cult's sordid and secret past.

The suggestions you and Katie provided will suffice, as the people I'm dealing with will have no problem accessing these tapes. My problem is now, finding someone who wants to make a big deal about M, his past and the on-going danger to society he presents.

Those people, like ourselves, who gave the ultimate trust to this huckster, were damaged severely. We will recover.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 14:49:36 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: So? You tell me....nt/reply
Message:
Hi Angry!!

You said:

My problem is now, finding someone who wants to make a big deal about M, his past and the on-going danger to society he presents.

You mean somebody from the media, right? Many are working on it, right? I'm! Is just a matter of time and patience.... You can get my email address and phone number from Katie, in case you want to contact me to get the 'garbage', or if you want me to send the garbage directly to somebody!

Yes, I have 450 videos and LOTS of Divine Times...-I'm a jerk....yes....;) But know they can be used PROPERLY! To expose THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE!!!!

Enjoy!!! hahahahaha....Lard is GONE!!!!

SB

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 15:00:07 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Who now owns the copyright on DLM material? (nt)
Message:
Who now owns the copyright on DLM material? (nt)
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 15:02:32 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Good question...
Message:
I wonder about the same....If you find out, please, can you post it?

:)

SB

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:16:24 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: SB
Subject: It would be like a perfect spark if owned by DLM
Message:
if owned by DLM of India which I believe Maharaji lost control of, maybe, I hope, I hope, and maybe SatPal owns all that stuff.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:55:00 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: everyone
Subject: SB BELIEVES THIS IS GOOD QUESTION EVERYONE!
Message:
everyone! sb believes this is a good question!
and you know how much our little popularity competetion means 2 me?
(oh PLEASE vote for me! please like me best!!!???pease? peas? p's?)

hi mom! it's me!
sweey lil' sb!

see me here in cyberspace!

as long as i say something! it'll seem like i'm alive mattering....
a.k.a. chattering and mattering®

(he he he;)

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:35:10 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: FA's? Can you get rid of this Raina bitch?
Message:
We've got the equivalent of a drunk throwing up on the patrons. Any chance that you can just toss her out? She wants to call the ACLU, fine. She'll have to sober up first anyway.
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 05:14:19 (GMT)
From: Raina
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Eat Me
Message:
It's like watching sheep..........

no doubt M being in your life
fucked you up more than you already are...
your mother?
because you were born a sheep-
needing to follow a crowd
and be into all the little popularity contests...

if it wasn't M
it would have been someone else...
and you'd have someone else to blame
'for the lepers in your head'

i hope i'll never have to regret
lowering myself into communication
with someone like you

just had 2 tell you one last time
what a sad old fucking asshole u r.


'...you ask me to enter
and then you make me fall...
but i can't keep holding on
to what you got
when all you got is hurt...'

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 05:27:27 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Raina
Subject: There....satisfied? Ok, bye bye
Message:
My conscience is pretty clean when it comes to you, Raiana. I tried, he tried, she tried, a lot of us tried to talk with you. You tried to show us all up as something or other (your 'experiment' in disdain, I guess). But no one asked for and no one here needs that kind of shit. Too bad for you.
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 07:28:26 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: 'JIM' Official Spokesperson for EVERYONE!
Message:
Jim? you'll be interested to know that YOU
yes! YOU have got me re-thinking about my interest
in understanding what M's gig is about!!!

i never got the 'special k' but do you think i really would be so stupid
as to go looking for them! (besides the waste of time, that tongue up the nose thing sounded SO gross!)

do you think i would go ''seek and you shall find'' as you posted 'the
techniques-they're ALL here'' you wrote! duh! is that what YOU would do?

I'M NOT YOU!!-(I'M not a fucking IDIOT in other words)
you brain dead desperado! i 'know' better!!!!!

i GET it!!!!

Because of you (and a few other's like the spicey little hotty known as 'superBrat'
i think i may actually feel drawn back into the idea of making (some sort of) a committment to
M again! maybe i'll get a job and travel and write love poems with 4 letter words! (Sheesh is allowed by the FCC but shit isn't! why? BECAUSE OF ASSHOLEs like you! STUCK in the words!)
stuck in the shice! shisa!

it's because of hateful bitter misdirected morons like you that
SHIT happens...the BAD shit....the very reason human beings screw each other up.....to me you are 'specimen #98889'................
what is it that you think YOU have to offer people here?
seriously? you're delusional!

how ironic! i think i'll listen to an M tape right now!
while i fall asleep! (i can handle it unlike you...maybe that's why you hate me too?
you're so fucked up...i should pity you...and would....if you weren't so damn nasty...

ya-you were the first one to make me get into reflecting the ugly shit weren't you?
it was kinda fun tho...no regretz.....just disappointment....

the way you use the word 'we'
sounds like you REALLY believe it.....

do you HONESTLY think YOU will decide my fate here?

i'll come and go as i please!

life is short....who knows where either one of us will be in a few weeks!

you strike me as the ultra high cholesterol type!

i'm sure you've made great contributions in your long LONG life...so sure...
you EMBODY what is most vulgar in life.....misdirected hatred....thanx 4 sharing
and being contagious!

why do you bother to click on my posts!?
just stay away!
go away
go away
go away

and know that when i do post something-i will NOT be expecting to get a reply from you....but you will still come after me i'm sure. is it because everyone else is boring you? are you nervous about coming to terms with roger's interest in aging and sagging male breasts...do you know i once saw milk come from a man's nipple! no shit...oh wait that's right! i'm being mean to jim...back on track here!

go away you silly old man....

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 14:41:49 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Angry
Subject: I think I'm going to the post office/imagine this
Message:
Angry - do you have a copy of the LOTU documentary (Lord of the Universe - made by PBS). It's all about Millenium, and the events leading up to it - includes footage of the pie-throwing, and of M's disastrous press conference at Millenium.

SB has a copy of this also :), as long as she's going to the P.O.! (SB, I will get you another copy, don't worry.)

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 14:56:40 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: I think I'm going to the post office/imagine this
Message:
had forgot about that. Overwhelmed w/info now. Denial of the past, S.O.P. for cults,is their Achiles(sp?) Box/Pandora's heal!

Thanks

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 10:21:18 (GMT)
From: bell
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: maybe this isn't such a good time, but
Message:
what is the difference between newton's theory
or einstein's theory of gravity. mike? anyone?
if pie...'pie' is 3.142856128256,,,etc,,neverending
then if an object falls @ mass times speed o' light?
guess it's simply two different whays of looking @ it.
look@it...with awe..
ex-plain energy and you can ...
you can't un ex-plain it,,u try to x-plain it and that shit
don't rhyme... newton...einstein..who's next..? energy itself
will the real energy please judge with feeling
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 14:51:52 (GMT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Bell
Subject: Wake up, Bell.
Message:
Take the aw out of Rawat and what have you got--a RAT.

Geez, buddy, who is arguing the theory of relativity here--it's been proven. However, GMJ's authenticity has been disproved time and time again. People are trying to help you dispel your darkness about this man and his mission.

Think about. You've been telling half-truths about the Lard for years. You aren't even supposed to say who the 'Guest Speaker' is--as if there is is ever anyone else. Venues are rented under bogus names. All this in the name of keeping Maharaji's stench doen.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 10:16:02 (GMT)
From: Question to FA
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: How big business is The Forum?
Message:
Hits? Pay per hit?
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 11:38:06 (GMT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: Question to FA
Subject: How big business is The Forum?
Message:
I don't understand the question.

Forum Administrator

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 12:35:12 (GMT)
From: Question to FA.
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: Are you stupid?
Message:
What pays the bills?
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 09:14:03 (GMT)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: Question to FA.
Subject: Money
Message:
The forum is hosted on this site. The site's server space and the cost of registering the domain name (ex-premie.org) is paid for by voluntary contributions from viewers like yourself.

Each year, when it comes time to pay for the next year's financing of the site, a notice is posted in the forum requesting those who wish to contribute to contact the webmaster of the site.

The Forum 5 administrators and users are not required to give any money in order to use this forum.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 14:54:04 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Internic registration is 70 every 2 years.
Message:
and i imagine you shouldn't be paying more than $40 per month?

can you tell me why (i've been told) i can't stop 2 horrific porn sites (no less) from using MY registered trademark name (and my URL) in (part of) their URL's?

i thought i could avoid having to re-register with internic since i have a reg trademark-you'd think that would be the end all........but since i am not miss money bags, no lawyer would take an interest in my situation and so by leaving a loose end (not re-registering)that might be inviting trouble? any ideas?

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 13:34:49 (GMT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: Question to FA.
Subject: Are you stupid?
Message:
Ah, so that's what you meant by,

'Hits? Pay per hit?'

But I don't know what bills you are talking about.

What bills are you talking about?

Forum Administrator

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 05:52:42 (GMT)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: SEARCH ENGINE UPDATES ?
Message:
Has anyone give thought to the implications of sites moving and closing upon the presence of ex-premie sites on the Search Engines ?

Surely this would be victory enough for him if we are hard to find - and ended up just talking to ourselves, whilst he and his aspirants go about in ignorant bliss.

Just a thought that perhaps we should keep an eye on our META Tags. (Whatever they are).

Loaf

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 10:34:40 (GMT)
From: Ralph
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: SEARCH ENGINE UPDATES ? An anti Rat solution
Message:
People can get round this problem of the Rat getting sites removed and losing their places in the search engines by having a redirecting URL.

For instance the following URL

http://clix.to/maharajitruth

will take you to that web site which is now at a new address. The URL http://clix.to/maharajitruth is being registered with different search engines and even if the site is closed down, the URL of http://clix.to/maharajitruth is impossible to close down because even if it is deleted, it can be started up again, no problem.

In case anyone hasn't tried pasting the above URL into their address slot to see if it works, Click here to see it work. You do get a banner or two but what the heck.

You can also reach the site by just typing clix.to/maharajitruth into your browser address slot and then pressing enter.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 15:53:22 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: mishkat@gateway.net
To: Ralph
Subject: Ralph - need technical help!
Message:
Could you e-mail, or else post the information on how you GET a redirected URL. Specifically, how did you get yours?

Thanks so much -
Katie

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 05:21:59 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Everyone
Subject: Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials
Message:
I hate myself, I hate myself, I hate myself and I know some of you hate me, but...

I need to convince my ISP that I'm really a nice guy and that I didn't do anything bad like steal or covet Maharaji's ass or any other part of his bloated anatomy. Ok, ok, ok, I had a thing for his voluptuous pendulous breasts. I'm sorry. I won't do that again.

So, I'm thinking that maybe in my little letter I could add testimonial letters as to how the House of Maharaji Drek saved people's lives and how it was useful in helping recover from the years of abuse and suffering under Maharaji. You know all that kind of stuff. And stuff about Freedom of Speech, motherhood and apple pie. Stuff about good and evil. Sinners and saints, mahatmas and pedophiles, money and more money.

Ok, maybe I'm a jerk and maybe I deserved to have my television show cancelled mid-season, but...

But really I'm need to appeal to my ISP in hopes they put the House of Maharaji Drek back online and Freedom of Speech can prevail.

You can either email your testimonial or just post it here. It might be best not to gush about what a great guy I am because, well..., I'm not and you already knew that.

Roger eDrek the beggar at your coitus fleet

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 03:50:26 (GMT)
From: Tacky Romance Novelist
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials
Message:
My dearest Roger,
Your wonderful website allowed me, Tacky Romance Novelist, to express myself beyond my wildest dreams! Why my bosoms are heaving just thinking about it! And Stone Leatherpants, my elicit swashbuckling lover, his codpiece is throbbing just thinking of the self-expression which was unleashed while I wrote for the Chronicles of the Red Nighty, which you published on your website! And now, my latest book 'Wanton Wonton' is soon to be made into a mini-series..all because of you, darling! Love and kisses, your patronage will not be forgotten. SMooch smooch kiss kiss! My little shit-zu, Muffi, sends you little doggie kisses too!! Muaaa!!
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:18:49 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Tacky Romance Novelist
Subject: Baby! Shagadelic! I'm back in the pink now!
Message:
Big Ones on the Big M
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:08:15 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Emperor has no clothes
Message:
Roger: The net has lost a very powerful voice in the suppression of the House of Maharaji Drek, which has been carried out by Maharaji and his lawyers.

Your site had a great deal of information on it. You had compiled a list of the best posts made on the forums. These posts described how and why people got out of Maharaji's cult, among other things. The site was devoted to providing a critical view into the world of Maharaji and Divine Light Mission and Elan Vital, Maharaji's corporate entities. The site was there to give ex premies, premies or anyone who wanted, a place to gain information about a very secretive cult and its hierarchy. It seems to me that that is the real reason why Maharaji has had his lawyers make copyright infringement claims. What they really intend to do, it seems to me, is to silence a voice which offers an effective opposing view of Maharaji.

I share the sentiments voiced by Susan in her comments about the photographs your site had of Maharaji. Maharaji told us he was the Lord of the Universe. He is not. Altering photos of him in a humorous manner is one way of demonstrating that he is not who he appears or claims to be. Certainly these depictions are much less offensive than those the Supreme Court found were protected free speech when Larry Flynt published the ad featuring Jerry Falwell. These photos are one way of saying that we know the emperor has no clothes, but he has not realized it yet. In fact, he has shut down your website rather than acknowledge his lack of attire.

Good luck.

Marianne Bachers

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 00:32:13 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: very nicely done Marianne(nt)
Message:
no text
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 01:04:23 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: MarianneDB@aol.com
To: blood
Subject: Thank you
Message:
Thank you, blood. I appreciate your posts too.

Marianne

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 19:47:41 (GMT)
From: another supporter
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials
Message:
Removing oneself from involvement in the Cult of Maharaji is similiar to detoxification from a drug. The recent shock anti-smoking advertisements appearing on television are seen to be successful tools in waking people up to the idiocy of their addiction. Roger Drek's website demonstrates substantial acumen in the process of psychological detoxification from the cult.

The purpose of anti-smoking advertisements is to assist people to release their addiction without thought of reward or profit for the advertisers creators. They clearly demonstrates the abomination of the tobacco industry which has entrapped millions of people into addiction for the sake of increasing their profits. It is shocking to show a trachiotomy patient holding a cigarette up to their incision but it demonstrates a point and is a powerful tool in the fight against the businesses who purvey addictions.

Roger's website seeks no profit yet offers a some of the therapy necessary to release a different kind of addiction. The insidious addiction to purported spiritual beliefs as purveyed by the aforementioned cult. This cult is a big business profitting from the lives of those whom it has entrapped. Roger's effort is made as a humanitarian offering which demonstrates keen awareness of the psychological addiction of cult victims. It is an effective tool in the process of deprogramming.

It would be difficult to make a valuable anti-smoking presentation without showing the cigarette which is the source of the addiction. It is equally difficult to create a useful cult deprogramming therapy without showing the source of the addiction.

In Roger's website the source of the addiction, the profiteer from the addiction, and the idiotic behavior of the source and profiteer are best demonstrated graphically. Every picture tells a story which needs to be told. The rightful owner of these pictures is unknown. The profiteer has used no many different names under the guise of so many different organizations that it is difficult to trace.

It would gladden the hearts of many if the Maharaji would claim and demonstrate copyright ownership of the material. For once and for all he could be held accountable for the sordid acts of foot fetishism, crown wearing and gloating in front of his fleets of cars and aircraft which the pictures depict.

We all know that the cigarette companies have made huge profits by purveying addictions. Sleuthing out other's who sell addictions is a difficult civil responsibility we all share. Roger has gone beyond the call of civil responsbility by bringing awareness to a very disdainful purveyor of addictions.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 18:43:28 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: SECRET! Don't read.
Message:
The most valuable recuitment aid a cult has is secrecy. Certain things are promised (like a secret Knowledge) to one who is devoted enough to pursue them. Once one is emotionally attached to the cult leader and his followers, then the secret is revealed. This is one type of secret.

Here is another: many cults adhere to such a far-fetched doctrine that people would just laugh at them if they were to know the truth.

One more: many cults have done and said things in the past that embarrass them now. They would like everybody to remain ignorant of their past behavior.

All three of these types of secrets are employed by Maharaji and his followers. The House of Drek site reveals the truth about the cult, and has undoubtably saved many potential converts from succumbing to the comforting allure of becoming a member of Maharaji's group.

The Internet, at its best, sheds the light of truth on seedy and unethical businesses, religions, and public figures. Roger's web site is/was/will be once again a shining example of this.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:51:55 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Thanks everybody!
Message:
This is really some great stuff with the exception of Mr. Totally Bummed whom I recall being one of those creepy cyber trolls from the past who's old posting name I've long forgotten. Get a liver, dude!

We will win this battle against Maharaji and Big Money!

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:10:28 (GMT)
From: Joe Whalen
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: My Testimonial
Message:
Dear Roger:

I can't tell you how helpful your website has been to me, in my continuing efforts to rid myself of the internal programming that was inflicted on me during the 10 years I was a devotee of Maharaji, and a member of his cult. Other ex-cult members have told me the same thing.

During the time I was a follower of Maharaji, I turned over my trust fund, gave him all my money, and for most of ten years, lived under vows of poverty, chastity and obedience as he directed. During that time, I gave up career and education, severely damaged my relationship with my family, and tried to dedicate myself completely to Maharaji who claimed to be god on earth.

When I discovered the lie that Mahraraji had hoisted on me, I was devestated and left to try to reconstruct my life. But the most damaging thing was the internalized cult programming that has remained in my own head even after I physically left the Maharaji cult. Your website, due to its irreverence, it's explanation of the 'excuses' and denials that cult-followers have engaged in, has really helped me break through and think for myself again.

I hope that the ISP that is hosting your website will not succomb to the specious attempts by a filthy rich cult leader to squelch people like you, and your free speech rights, since you are trying to keep Maharaji from hiding the truth and to help people question his cult once and for all.

Thanks.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:41:36 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Joe Whalen
Subject: My Testimonial
Message:
Greeting Roger,
How possibly could I have extracated myself from the cults long term programming without the help provided by you and other web sites that tell the truth about divine light mission or as it is known now as elan vital.
While helping another person is a nice way to put it, saving my life is more accurate.
You being harrassed is unfortunate. I hope your ISP will see the neccessity of not caving in to the annoying pesterings of an evil enterprise that wants to remain doing its deeds in the cover of darkness and secrecy.
Truth is uncomfortable to those that deviously oppress others but good men throughout the ages have stood up to what is wrong and I salute you and hopefully your ISP.
Bill Burke
address available upon request.
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 16:01:09 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Dear Roger, my whites are whiter, my colours blind
Message:
ing...

Dear Roger,

I wonder if you'd be so kind as to pass the following information along to your server who, I understand, has threatened to pull the plug on your site. I lived in this cult's monastic order for a full eight years. During that time I awoke daily at 5:30 to sing a long devotional song to the cult leader, Maharaji, after which I, along with everyone else, would fall to the floor in full prostration before Maharaji's picture, praying, as I'd been trained, for him to obliterate my individual identity. The hope was to have him somehow occupy my very consciousness. As one might expect, his photographic image was a very holy sacrament to us then. We never simply threw out old leaflets, posters or brochures depicting him, we had to ceremoniously burn them.

It's in that context, then, that I've enjoyed your own highly-irreverent parody of the man. This cult is ugly and pernicious and has caused irreparable harm for countless followers and their families. If the folks at your server could appreciate just how deeply satsifying and possibly downright therapeutic an experience it's been for many of us to join you in striking out at this former sacred cow, I'm sure it would work with you to find a way to support your effort rather than stifle it.

Feel free to edit as necessary

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 15:15:22 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials
Message:
cc: edrek email

Mr. Drek

The humor and parody you present in you web pages have
been an invaluable tool in my efforts to exit the dangerous
cult. After years of brainwashing, your forthright approach
to addressing the absurdities of the cult and the cult leader
assisted me in removing many insideous layers of superstition
which had effected my life as a result of the cult programming.

I hope that you will be able to return to the internet soon so
that others can also benefit from your therapeutic message.

I hate to see the cult use the power of its ill gained money to
hire lawyers to intimidate internet service providers into
removing valuable information from the internet. If only
the lawyers would investigate the claimant they would
see they are being asked to act on behalf of a dangerous
group.

It is comforting to remember the story of David and
Goliath of which this story is a sublime example.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 15:24:33 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Well Said Blood!!!!!! Nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 14:45:07 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials
Message:
Roger, I would be happy to write you a testimonial (I will e-mail it to you). But have you thought about finding another ISP? I'd encourage it.

Take care, and I'll be in touch -
Katie

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 10:53:18 (GMT)
From: Ralph
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials
Message:
Roger, please could you give the file name of that pic with the massive mammaries because I've got it somewhere on my temporary internet files and I want to raise it from the dead.

Thanks,

Ralph.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:28:36 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Ralph
Subject: Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials
Message:
The man I love to hate can be seen at Big Ones
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 09:05:34 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials
Message:
Dear ISP for the House of Drek

Please reconsider your decision to remove the Drek site. My own experience has been that it helped me to leave a religious cult by letting me laugh at the predicament I was in and the brainwashing I had been through.

Although I also need therapy and other aids to get over my 20 year involvement with Guru Maharaji, the Drek site has been a source of entertainment and has been a safe place for me to reflect on the past.

I can be reached via email at >extrixie@hotmail.com<
and would be happy to answer questions.

Ps
If you will not reverse your decision, would you let Roger know what specific content is in breach of copyright and how he can alter it to allow access for the public.

Sincerely yours
Zelda

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 05:44:13 (GMT)
From: Loaf
Email: loafji@yahoo.com
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Heres one for Ya
Message:
Dear Roger

Just a quick note to express what an invaluable contribution you have made to my own recovery and escape from the cult Elan Vital.

Humour can be immensely valuable in providing a 'reality check'. Satire and political lampooning serve a significant social function in puncturing the egos of the high and mighty - and it was these qualities in your site which provided me an immediate and instinctive shot of 'antidote'to 20 years of programming that lead me to beleive that such thoughts were acts of heresy worthy of hell fire !

This (and other claims from ex Elan Vital 'members')may sound ridiculous to anyone taking Elan Vital on face value as an organisation promoting meditation without complication - however any form of SELF HYPNOSIS when combined with SUBTLE and Pervasive suggestion can over a period shift the emphasis and balance of a person's perception and self esteem.

To stumble upon your site was a breath of fresh air to me some years ago, and I am most grateful for your presence on the Web.

I have confidence and faith that the subversive and uncontrolled nature of the Web will provide an INCREDIBLY VALUABLE resource to a World who'se thinking is increasingly corporate and manipulative.

We NEED a place where we can explore OUR thoughts, in order to make better sense of what is happening to us. This is equally true to people extracting themselves from the cult of Elan Vital or the cult of modern notions of normality.

Keep up the good work. You have done a good thing and played a small part in the development of human culture, liberty and life !!

Loaf

PS I am also surprised that the mere threat of legal action is enough to drive an ISP to immediate action, without a specific allegation or examination. Certainly aint true in publishing!Is there any way we can have a look at the wording of these threatening letters ? Are baseball bats mentioned ? Can we send a similarly threatening letter to Milbank & Co and see if they shut their offices down pending an internal investigation and a flurry of memos !

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 05:33:10 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Oh god help me, I'm asking for testimonials
Message:
How House of Drek helped people recovering from being in a cult.

I am tired, but I one thing comes to mind right away...

When one has spent a large portion of his or her life believing that another human being is the incarnation of God, seeing that human being made fun of in the most irreverant of ways is very healing and empowering. In this I am referring to the things that the cult leader would find most offensive. The very idea that 'Roger Drek' had the guts to refer to how imperfect the perfect master really is by making fun of his pendulous breasts was HEALING. Nothing is sacred, this man is not God, he is just a man, and an imperfect man. Satire could never be more powerful than in this instance.

I'll write more later. But Rog, that to me was the essence of what House of Drek was about. You ain't God, You pretended to be, and I will treat you with exactly the respect you have earned.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 05:33:00 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: creating controversy...
Message:
?
i've experienced substantial theft of a registered trademark online, and two lawyers (one a friend of my brother i've known since i was 10) say there's nothing that can be done-actually one hasn't gotten back to me (about a month now)....

so short of using M's face what exactly is the problem that i'm obviously not getting.

does it come down to 'how many' defenders (who probably themselves need to feel are loosing personally) one has to have in order to control ones real property?

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 04:24:45 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: everyone/katie
Subject: KATIE?Why'd ya think no one answered that post up
Message:
there of mine? (post above this one 'creating controversy')

it was a perfectly friendly attempt at asking for some assistance
it was imprtant for me too!

but i guess iwas too busy letting myself be used by a bunch of
brain rapists...!?

i thought i'd find intelligence here....
maybe i have.....

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:14:31 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: mishkat@gateway.net
To: raina
Subject: Do you really want to know what I think?
Message:
Here it goes -
-You weren't specific enough in explaining what happened to you.
-Everyone else was talking about something else and they weren't interested in going Off Topic - if it was OT (and I'm not clear on that!)
-People think you're a premie distractor (I apologize if this is not true, but it's happened).

I said I'd be honest, and I have been. Raina, this removal of anti-Maharaji web sites is a BIG DEAL to us. It may not be a big deal to you, or to anyone else in the whole world, but it's important to most of the ex-premies who post here. It involves freedom of speech, right to dissent, and basically the RIGHT TO SAY WHAT WE THINK - without being intimidated by big money law firms in New York City. I also think that the attempted removal of anti-Maharaji web sites send a VERY clear message that Maharaji will tolerate absolutely no dissent or disagreement with his officially ordained message, and will resort to any means possible to suppress contrary views, or even to reveal his actual history.

I don't know about you, but that pisses me off big time. I HATE people telling me what I can and cannot say - and I especially HATE people telling me that I can't tell the truth about what happened to me. (Ma always taught me not to say I HATED anything, and I guess that's another thing that I don't agree with either! Sorry, Ma!)

Anyway, Raina, I can see why your post got ignored. Yes, it's important to you - and I would be happy to talk about it with you - but this other stuff that's going on has got a lot of us riled up. Sometimes the personal has got to yield to the political - even though, eventually, the personal IS political.

TC -
Katie

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 05:48:13 (GMT)
From: raina
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Do you really want to know what I think?
Message:
i just re-read the post myself and discovered i was (horribly) not clear at all....true....

but i was trying to point out (OT) that even with a registered trademark i have been advise by lawyers (who don't stand to make any money of course) that i have NO control over other people STEALING my trademark name (which is also my URL)!!!! (almost that simple)....

(so i have my very own forum! i even sell t-shirts there! notice i haven't invited anyone to visit have HARDLY been pluggin!! au contraire.......except for ONE person i did make the mistake of emailing-i have no reason to believe he'll really honor the request for privacy-that bugs me...maybe he will....)

and so how is it that (short of using M's image) Roger's site is in trouble?
did someone PAY(?) his ISP to cancel his show?

i'm pretty unclear here too probably.....too tired....
too much.........

i must go watch Andy Richter's farewell show on Conan Obrien......

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 06:11:58 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: raina
Subject: Do you really want to know what I think?
Message:
Hi Raina -
I hate to be cynical here, but if you had enough $$$, I am sure you could have protected your trademark. That is what Maharaji has done - he's hired a VERY up-market law firm to intimidate these ISP's. Naturally, most of these ISP's (especially Geocities, which offers FREE sites) have caved immediately. I don't know about Roger's ISP - we'll have to wait and see what happens. Basically, I think they just didn't want trouble, and Roger's site wasn't enough of their gross income to fight for. But as you and I both know, there's a lot of other factors coming into play here: bluffing, money, finances, etc.

Hey, if your T-shirts are good, I'll buy one. Or maybe we can barter - I hand-print mine with linoleum blocks. You can even pick your design - I've got a real nice dog one - but many others too (I am fond of reptilian designs, but that's not all).

TC.
Latoe

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 07:39:27 (GMT)
From: totally bummed
Email: None
To: u guys
Subject: o god hepl me...
Message:
I never went to your house, drek, but
you put one o' my posts in your hall once.
I was so proud..
bummer that the feds got ya
keep on trashin' and you get a rashin'
ever think 'bout peace and love and o what a feelin
rhretorical question.. of course you don't.
just trash talkin' cause you dint have the balls to
lets just say...seek...tuff break you cant talk trash and
slander my pander bear...woe is me...have a nice breath anyway
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 21:01:25 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: totally bummed
Subject: To Totally B: Because you are brainwashed......
Message:
is that you write in this forum the kind of stuff you write. WAKE UP! BEGIN TO THINK! YOU ARE ALLOWED! You can do it. Stop the BS in your life....
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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 17:18:03 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: totally bummed
Subject: o god heap it on me...
Message:
Totally a bum,

Oh, it's you again, isn't it?

Don't worry you, too, will have your day in the sun when everyone wakes up to the fact that you are truly elightened through your diligent effort.

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 04:54:42 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Latinoamericans - bringing SB up to the top
Message:
I was going to write about this, but I found this post from SB buried in one of the threads below, which says it all. SB is absolutely correct about the growth of the Spanish Forum, by the way. Thank you, SB!

SB wrote:
Now we need to globalize the juicy news!!

I bet one thing that worries Maharaji VERY MUCH -and his troops- is the fact that the Spanish Forum is growing and that it has been stated there that people are working on the translation of all the important incriminating documents that JM has exposed; this will be a complete disaster for his business!! All the Latinoamerican countries are going to begin to learn his little secrets... People will begin to learn a side of him which can be very damaging for his cult.

Years ago Maharaji was banned from Argentina and premies had to gather in secret. There were these twin young girls living in an Buenos Aires' ashram and their father, a politician, contacted the media and also sued Maharaji who had to pay some money to the girls, or the father. I don't remember 'the rumor' well, was long ago. Contacting the media in Argentina NOW could be very interesting, because I assure you, they will love the juicy story! This incident was a big thing there and the magazine 'Gente' (like 'People' here) had a center article SEVERAL PAGES LONG, with pictures of premies doing service and more, with their eyes covered by a black band to cover their identity, and it was very bad for him. I left shortly after. Maharaji has a record there!!

What about the media of Latinoamerican countries where lots of his followers live??? The media in those countries will be interested because there are web sites of Elan Vital where they can be directed and there is proof that Maharaji is duping 'their people'. These websites point to all the Latinoamerican ountries where he is represented!!! He is very 'popular' in those places...
Regards,
SB

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Date: Fri, May 26, 2000 at 10:37:53 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Good idea Katie!
Message:
After I posted it down there I realized it should have being a new thread. Work is on its way regarding theeth and rest! hehehehe...

LOve,

S

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