Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Tues, Jun 06, 2000 at 09:30:47 (GMT)
From: May 25, 2000 To: Jun 03, 2000 Page: 3 Of: 5


steve -:- what happened to milky cole -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:17:55 (GMT)
__ in the know -:- Milky's words of wisdim -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 21:41:59 (GMT)
__ Loaf -:- Milky is alive and well and in Devon (nt) -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 17:36:09 (GMT)
__ devarsirat -:- what happened to milky cole -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 09:33:14 (GMT)
__ Elaine -:- No, but anyone know.... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:32:41 (GMT)

Kipling -:- IF -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:32:49 (GMT)
__ Rob -:- Interesting choice of material -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:19:11 (GMT)

blood -:- Headlines I'd like to see -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:01:30 (GMT)
__ cq -:- Former followers fool fake fakir!(thanx, Ged. nt) -:- Wed, May 31, 2000 at 19:04:10 (GMT)
__ Zelda -:- Headlines I'd like to see -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:24:46 (GMT)
__ __ blood -:- i guess criticism begets criticism (nt) -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 01:08:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ zelda -:- i guess criticism begets criticism (nt) -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 02:06:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ blood -:- no offense taken....its cool...(nt) -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 02:14:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Actually, I LIKE that word -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 02:33:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- acquisations, it could mean -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 18:53:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Webster Zelda -:- DONE! New word now official.Include in spell check -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 01:42:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ blood -:- thanks for all the help....i just forgot spell chk -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:02:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Zelda -:- Actually, I LIKE that word -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:39:18 (GMT)

Roger eDrek -:- Are there any programs soon? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:45:10 (GMT)
__ Mickey the Mole -:- Where was you 3 hours ago -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:27:43 (GMT)
__ __ Mickey the Mole -:- Oh, and this just in -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:03:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- What next? K sessions given by carboard cutout? nt -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 13:25:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- Talking of carboard cutouts. -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:31:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Talk about Downmarket darshan! What next? ... -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 12:31:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ blood -:- carboard cutouts......hiliarious (nt) -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 18:39:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Scientology Knows Best - the E-Meter (nt) -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:36:40 (GMT)

Slim Jim -:- Here comes the Judge -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:44:29 (GMT)
__ Prozac -:- Go back in your cave. NT -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:49:03 (GMT)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- The perfect timing of the Rapper -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:53:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- Actually, he's more of a spammer -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:46:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- That's me, a likable and liable kind of guy (nt) -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:55:34 (GMT)

Jim -:- Funny how silent the premies are right now -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:34:00 (GMT)
__ Basher Williams -:- Funny -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 15:17:01 (GMT)
__ __ Another Premie -:- Funny how you and I think alike -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:38:15 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- Hey, Prem Rawat! -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 22:35:19 (GMT)
__ __ Hal -:- Hey Basher -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 20:31:38 (GMT)
__ Bjørn -:- You want my honest opinion? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 09:26:49 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- Hey Prem Rawat - does this guy speak for you? -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:48:43 (GMT)
__ __ Monmot -:- You want Bjorn's Vowel Movement? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 15:19:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Could have been a ***BEST***, but... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:14:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Monmot -:- Could have been a ***BEST***, but... -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 00:18:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ DeProGram Anand Ji -:- Could have been a ***BEST***, but... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 21:04:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Could have been a ***BEST***, but... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 22:41:46 (GMT)
__ Elaine B. -:- Funny how silent the premies are right now -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:20:09 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- WHAT!??? You said this?: -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 13:45:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ Elaine -:- WHAT!??? You said this?: -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 23:52:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ What about morals -:- Elaine: you have no saying? Strange. -:- Wed, May 31, 2000 at 14:33:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Why hide? your name is... -:- Wed, May 31, 2000 at 16:01:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- So where do we go from here? -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 12:52:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- So where do we go from here? -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 13:56:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Elaine's on automatic -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:20:57 (GMT)
__ __ jondon -:- Funny how silent the premies are right now -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:10:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ Elaine -:- Newspapers -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:20:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ jondon -:- Newspapers -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 10:44:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Elaine -:- oh,saw thread way down below about Howie.(nt) -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:07:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Zelda -:- Have emailed Howie. NT -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:35:10 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- Funny how you think of things, Elaine -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:42:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ Dr.Juan the victim -:- Funny how bizarre -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:49:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Abbuz iINO Cent -:- Funny how bizarre -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:30:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Tami -:- Tat iz SO butifull!!! -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:47:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Maynard eDrekrebs -:- Tami, you're a ditz -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:49:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Zelda -:- Why Maynard! -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:41:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Maynard eDrekrebs -:- What do I say? Skiiiiippppper! -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:02:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Zelda -:- What do I say? Skiiiiippppper! -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:11:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Tami -:- Yes, an rtist, four sur! -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:56:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Tami, is there any proof to the rumor... -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:04:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Tami -:- Tami, is there any proof to the rumor... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 01:10:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Forget it, Jake. It's just Maharajitown. -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 01:54:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Seems I scared Tami away there -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:26:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Psss. Roger -:- Is Helen Tami? nt -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:07:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Is Helen Tami? nt -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:53:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Another case of Copyright Infringement! -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 18:43:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Being Tami Rainbow -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 17:18:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- let's invent more of em -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:17:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- oh of course I was kidding everyone knows that -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:21:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- oh of course I was kidding everyone knows that -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 16:13:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- Lena and Red got it on over on AG -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 18:13:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- you are so dumb - Helen is Helen!! -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:11:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- I see that Mr. Streetmouth the Rapper is back (nt) -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:41:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ Elaine -:- Funny how you think of things, Elaine -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:11:55 (GMT)
__ Mickey the Mole -:- Sssssh Jim, quiet please.... -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:41:51 (GMT)
__ __ blood -:- there is one working below......'a question' -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:38:08 (GMT)

Ged -:- AN INVITATION TO ELAN VITAL - SUE ME -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:03:12 (GMT)
__ WHAT ABOUT -:- AN INVITATION TO JAIL? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:15:42 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- Hey Prem Rawat! -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:32:40 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- Jail? How dumb! You a premie, by chance? (nt) -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:28:42 (GMT)
__ Ralph -:- The guaranteed way to get Rat into the court room -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:57:20 (GMT)
__ __ ged -:- The guaranteed way to get Rat into the court room -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:11:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ Ralph -:- The guaranteed way to get Rat into the court room -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:45:28 (GMT)
__ Elaine B. -:- AN INVITATION TO ELAN VITAL - SUE ME -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:11:22 (GMT)
__ __ ged -:- AN INVITATION TO ELAN VITAL - SUE ME -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:02:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ Elaine -:- AN INVITATION TO ELAN VITAL - SUE ME -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:48:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- Isn't Elaine nice? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:34:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Isn't Elaine nice? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:23:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Ged -:- Isn't Elaine nice?x4 -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 09:32:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Ged and SB - nice people... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 13:46:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Ged and SB - nice people... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 14:16:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Ged and SB - nice people... -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 21:12:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Isn't Elaine nice? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 01:03:27 (GMT)
__ __ Zelda -:- Larry La Com in ex White pages may have leads. NT -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:22:15 (GMT)

SB -:- Starting in June:ONE WEEKLY SATELLITE EVENT -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 14:39:27 (GMT)

cq -:- New Forum at Ex-cult Resource Center just launched -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 14:01:18 (GMT)
__ G -:- Unlikeliest Cult -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 16:07:20 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- Unlikeliest Cult -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 12:07:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- Excellent post ^^^ and comments -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 15:11:30 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- I'd say she was anything but rational... -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:03:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- science's 'fleeting' quality -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 03:43:05 (GMT)

A question: -:- If... -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:59:35 (GMT)
__ bb -:- elan vital would pay -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:59:39 (GMT)
__ blood -:- If...EV wants to put icing on the cake..... -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:11:03 (GMT)
__ Ged -:- If... -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 15:49:15 (GMT)
__ __ A question: -:- What if... -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:31:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ Daneane -:- Does EV have the dough?? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:34:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- Swear on the Bible? Apparently fobidden by JC: -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 12:46:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Daneane -:- I cudda sworn I'd heard something like that B4(nt) -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 00:48:40 (GMT)
__ __ SB -:- Did you get my mail? nt -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 15:53:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ Ged -:- Did you get my mail? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:08:51 (GMT)

Premie Moles Needed -:- re: Pre-payment for Darshan Lite -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 11:50:08 (GMT)
__ Rated-X -:- re: Pre-payment for Darshan Lite -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:57:55 (GMT)
__ __ Premie Moles Needed -:- Reports from Boston and D.C. still needed(nt) -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 10:19:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ aziz -:- Rajaji and Yorum are coming to DC (nt) -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 21:11:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Premie Moles Needed -:- Funny, Aziz! Boston?..Come in Boston(nt) -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 09:06:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ jondon -:- Coming in, Boston -:- Tues, May 30, 2000 at 17:23:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ TOMATOES? -:- Rajaji and Yorum are coming to DC (nt) -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:51:52 (GMT)
__ Angry -:- EV now deeper in SECRECY -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 16:26:20 (GMT)
__ __ The Field -:- Donations = Direct Debit System -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:45:22 (GMT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Lawyers firms are extremely costly! (nt) -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:29:44 (GMT)

Scrooge -:- baahhhhh humbug -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 11:10:03 (GMT)
__ Roger eDrek -:- Oh, Mr. Rapper you turn me on! -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:47:05 (GMT)
__ hamzen -:- Ahh, the wonders of childhood! (nt) -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 11:47:46 (GMT)
__ __ Elaine B. -:- Past topic to Hamzen (ot) -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:05:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ Robyn -:- Past topic to Hamzen (ot) -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:18:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Past topic to Hamzen (ot) -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 21:21:55 (GMT)

Jean-Michel -:- READ THIS and bookmark that page -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 09:47:55 (GMT)
__ toby -:- READ THIS and bookmark that page -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 15:06:48 (GMT)
__ SB -:- You are great!!!! nt -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:51:10 (GMT)
__ Ralph -:- READ THIS and bookmark that page -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 11:11:02 (GMT)

Keith -:- back on line -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 09:42:24 (GMT)
__ Robyn -:- back on line -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 10:26:47 (GMT)
__ __ Keith -:- back on line -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:47:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ Robyn -:- back on line -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 05:41:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Keith -:- back on line -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 06:27:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ bb -:- back on line -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:24:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Keith -:- back on line -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 06:31:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ bb -:- back on line -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 05:55:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- back on line -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 22:57:44 (GMT)

Jean-Michel -:- Exes ex-webmasters, please check these links -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 08:03:18 (GMT)
__ Selene -:- hi JM good job - one thing I was gonna do -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 18:49:19 (GMT)
__ __ Katie -:- PS JM and Selene - Great Worldwide Linkup still on -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:51:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- What's its url? (nt) -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 22:48:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- You have it on your page!(nt) -:- Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:12:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- thanks Katie - JM can you fix this? -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 21:11:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Time Zones -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 21:59:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- apostrophes? cant even spell it! yeah. draft.. -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:10:06 (GMT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- And I also, I need dates your sites got offline -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 08:04:31 (GMT)
__ __ Sir David -:- My site had NO copyright infringements -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 10:59:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- My site had NO copyright infringements -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:02:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ Susan -:- great! -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:29:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ blood -:- would you like a few letters to that effect ? -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 14:09:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Then we'll sue EV and the rat ...... (nt) -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:31:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- Then Rawat's misrepresentation could cost him -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:14:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Sir David -:- The case of David v Elan Vital -:- Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:59:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- watching and copying for the record -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:42:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Zelda -:- Sir David- Zelda thinking out loud -:- Sun, May 28, 2000 at 05:26:12 (GMT)


Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:17:55 (GMT)
From: steve
Email: partha@koptalk.co.uk
To: Everyone
Subject: what happened to milky cole
Message:
does anyone know what happened to milky cole maharajis treasurer.last time i saw him was in a house having satsang and chit chat near york in late seventies.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 21:41:59 (GMT)
From: in the know
Email: None
To: steve
Subject: Milky's words of wisdim
Message:
There's a snippet from a Micheal (Milky) Cole of Devon on the Enjoying Life website. It's quite recent and I'm not sure if it was on Lives, Days or one of the others. Print Micheal Cole in each to find out which one has Old King Coles words of wisdom.

in the know

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 17:36:09 (GMT)
From: Loaf
Email: loafoflife@hotmail.com
To: steve
Subject: Milky is alive and well and in Devon (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 09:33:14 (GMT)
From: devarsirat
Email: p.w.w@diamond.co.uk
To: steve
Subject: what happened to milky cole
Message:
have not a misty idea who milky cole is Steve

Devarsirat das

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:32:41 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: All
Subject: No, but anyone know....
Message:
where a Harris Pansy is - dead or alive? Eastcoast,Denver in '80's,Missouri premie from long ago.
Parents not listed.

Thanks,

Elaine

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:32:49 (GMT)
From: Kipling
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: IF
Message:
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:19:11 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Kipling
Subject: Interesting choice of material
Message:
Presumably you are a premie seeking to chastise, or, at the least, *inspire* people here with noble thoughts.

Spare a thought for this though: the poet you chose was an ardent racist, colonialist and imperialist. He was born in India, where it is not at all unlikely that distant relatives of your precious guru were his personal manservants.

Perhaps you should quote another of Kiplings poems - 'The White Man's Burden', seen at the time of its writing to encourage and laud the efforts of the British Raj to maintain subjugation of the Indian populace.

On the other hand, perhaps your poem was an excellent choice, it speaks volumes about you.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:01:30 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Headlines I'd like to see
Message:
Knowledge Cult Master's Lawyers Finesse Geocities into Eradication of ex-followers web-site's.

Self appointed Cult Master Maharaji Rawat, formerly known as Lord of the Universe by his cult, represses knowledge on the internet by hiring law firms to fire vague acquisations of copyright infringement at easy targets. Yahoo Geocities warm community of websites has recently caved in to these vague legal acquisations by wholesale removal of personal web pages authored by individuals who provided knowledge of their own involvement in the Maharaji Cult and the trials and tribulations of exiting the cult. These pages served as thorough tools for investigation of the cult by would-be followers. The individuals who created these web sites made use of these web sites to provide a glimpse into a cult which has had a devastating effect on many lives.

The Maharaji Cult has several of it's own web sites which are hosted on private servers. Getting into at least one of these cult sites requires passing through a 'Terms of Use' page which rivals the United States Constitution in it's length and legal jargon. Many websites have these legal pages but the Cult's page is strikingly oppressive and enough to turn back even the strongest of stomachs.

Ironically, the Cult Guru founded a non-profit tax status with the IRS on the basis of providing 'knowledge' freely. This recent move on the part of his cult suggests that not all knowledges are considered equal.

Also, of great irony, is the fact that the Cult Guru's Lawyers fees for actions against his former followers are paid for by the tax free donations he has collected some of which came from the exes.

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Date: Wed, May 31, 2000 at 19:04:10 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Former followers fool fake fakir!(thanx, Ged. nt)
Message:
Former followers fool fake fakir!(thanx, Ged. nt)
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:24:46 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Headlines I'd like to see
Message:
Do you mean 'accusations'??? I never heard of the word you use.

and we do not know if the lawyers are paid for by the flock.
they might have done it for nothing- or they might be premies for all we know.

some lawyers will write a email or letter in exchange for the lunch that they talked it over over. The snazziest ones do business like that.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 01:08:52 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: i guess criticism begets criticism (nt)
Message:
no text for fear of misspellings and misconceptions
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 02:06:14 (GMT)
From: zelda
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: i guess criticism begets criticism (nt)
Message:
Blood
Please accept my apology for how I said what I said. I forget how clipped the screen can be.
Your posts keep the revolution moving and I know that.
Ill keep my pms to myself nextime.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 02:14:20 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: zelda
Subject: no offense taken....its cool...(nt)
Message:
no text
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 02:33:33 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: blood
Subject: Actually, I LIKE that word
Message:
'Maharaji's lawyers firing vague acquisations .....'

Kind of says it all, if you think about it. Found art? How about 'found vocabulary'?

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 18:53:29 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: acquisations, it could mean
Message:
acquisations

from inquisition + accusations
Accusations made as part of an inquisition

or

from acquire + accusations
Accusations acquired from thin air

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 01:42:04 (GMT)
From: Webster Zelda
Email: None
To: G
Subject: DONE! New word now official.Include in spell check
Message:
out of adversity brought forth
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:02:49 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: G
Subject: thanks for all the help....i just forgot spell chk
Message:
sure teaches me the importance of the dictionary
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:39:18 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Actually, I LIKE that word
Message:
now that you mention it, my first rection was 'how come I dont know that one- it looks very effective.'
but I just couldnt entertain that I the great Zelda didnt know a word. This when I dont know thousands.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:45:10 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Everyone
Subject: Are there any programs soon?
Message:
I'm hearing or seem to have heard that there are some programs happening now or will soon happen.

Anyone have details as to when and where?

Perhaps, now is the time to really show up with some signs and peacefully and legally demonstrate outside the venue.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:27:43 (GMT)
From: Mickey the Mole
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Where was you 3 hours ago
Message:
when I dropped the dime on the Miami k sesh? Perfect opportunity for you to save a few witless fools before its too late. I hear from my source they were getting the new dvd not the real deal from the fat slug hisself, anyone got a follow up? - should be over with by now. What happened to 'you can't get this knwledge from a book'? Or do dvd's have special divine grace & books don't?
I guess EV will be selling dvd players at inflated prices next.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:03:56 (GMT)
From: Mickey the Mole
Email: None
To: Mickey the Mole
Subject: Oh, and this just in
Message:
I'm told that now the newbies were given PHOTO ID's to get into the secret K sesh. Brings a whole new meaning to the word 'mug shots' Yeah mugs about sums it up. Whats more scary though is that when these poor saps wake up and smell the coffee, EV already has their picture on a database, so no sneaking into progs as ex's for them in future. Something scientology doesnt do at least far as i know.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 13:25:50 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Mickey the Mole
Subject: What next? K sessions given by carboard cutout? nt
Message:
What next? K sessions given by carboard cutout? nt
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:31:44 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Talking of carboard cutouts.
Message:
I remember a programme outside Leeds, on some campsite for the weekend, when there was a darshan line, with a life-sized photo of the guru, leaning against a chair, on a stage, with a cushion in front. Most of the premies lined up to respectfully kiss the cushion, and grace of graces, several passed out in bliss (just like in 'real' darshan).

Maybe one day, the premies will send photos of themselves, which will be placed on a little conveyor belt, and rotated in front of a photo of the lord of the universe, tipping forward respectfully as they get level.

Why try to put limits on infinite grace right?

Anth the cardboard cutout a bit soggy round the edges with bits ripped of for roaches.

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 12:31:50 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Talk about Downmarket darshan! What next? ...
Message:
Talk about Downmarket darshan! What next? ...

How about an X-rated darshan vid. where M does the full Monty!

You too can kiss that bare butt!

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 18:39:04 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: carboard cutouts......hiliarious (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:36:40 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Mickey the Mole
Subject: Scientology Knows Best - the E-Meter (nt)
Message:
adsfasfd
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:44:29 (GMT)
From: Slim Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Here comes the Judge
Message:
THIS IS A HATE SITE
AND HATE SITES ARE NOT HAPPENIN'
STEAL SOMEONE'S 'THING' AND
THE ANGELS SING..HERE COME THE JUDGE.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:49:03 (GMT)
From: Prozac
Email: None
To: Slim Jim
Subject: Go back in your cave. NT
Message:
NT
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:53:30 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Prozac
Subject: The perfect timing of the Rapper
Message:
Yup, uh huh, da Rapper be back, jack.

Perfect timing too. In an effort to be as disruptful as possible. Our arrows are getting too close to piercing Maharaji's veil and his bubble of silence. Time for da Rapper to obscure. Time fo da Rapper to send up the flak. Time fo da Rapper to come to da aid of his Lord. Dis Rapper gonna get to be in heaven with his Master come Judgement day.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:46:50 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Actually, he's more of a spammer
Message:
This person has been posting more and more frequently for about two weeks now - using a different name each time (No, I didn't check the ISP's, either - I remember the guy from before!)

He does seem to like YOU, though, Roger...

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:55:34 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Katie
Subject: That's me, a likable and liable kind of guy (nt)
Message:
why me? I never did nuthin' to dis guy
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:34:00 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Funny how silent the premies are right now
Message:
Come on, premies, speak up! What's your gut reaction to Maharaji hiring 'one of the 10 most profitable law firms in the world!' to muzzle his critics?

Anth's been asking this question for a while now: what's the difference between a moonie and a premie?

Perhaps it's time to ask a new question: what's the difference between EV and Scientology?

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 15:17:01 (GMT)
From: Basher Williams
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Funny
Message:
I like it!

edited

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:38:15 (GMT)
From: Another Premie
Email: None
To: Basher Williams
Subject: Funny how you and I think alike
Message:
Imaging: The Lord is here and Jim wants to silence him. What a waste. EXES: Maharaji IS the lord incarnated. NO logic needed, Maharaji said, I think... Did anybody saw my mind? I think I lost it! Jaisatshitanand, premies...Lets keep dreaming! Who are the exes to tell us we are wrong, eh? We like to believe those things, so be it! Ignorance is bliss, they -exes- don't know anything so they are blissed out and we premies have knowledge and we./...I'm confused!! Can someone help me? Who am I? Buaaaaa.....

AP

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 22:35:19 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Basher Williams
Subject: Hey, Prem Rawat!
Message:
You used to be Lord of the Universe. Why was I expected to kiss your toes if you're just a smiling man with poor vocal delivery and an enthusiam for meditation?

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 20:31:38 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Basher Williams
Subject: Hey Basher
Message:
Why don't you tell us about the amazing connection to the God within that he's given you? You know that unconditional amazing love that's going to transform the planet and stuff like that?? eH , GO ON TELL US HOW FUCKIN' AMAZIN YOU FEEL AND FULL OF JOY eTC. You brainwashed creeps make me sick. When are you gonna start thinking for yourself , you middle aged cult follower, guru worshipper you?

Basher Nasher Dennis the menace, You're so fearsome.. Fuck off

No more Mr Niceguy Hal!!!!!!!!

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 09:26:49 (GMT)
From: Bjørn
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You want my honest opinion?
Message:
Edited.

That is my last word in this forum

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:48:43 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Bjørn
Subject: Hey Prem Rawat - does this guy speak for you?
Message:
Do you really hope to imprison your former devotees in the hope they'll shut up?

Jail Satchitanand?

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 15:19:44 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Bjørn
Subject: You want Bjorn's Vowel Movement?
Message:
Bjorn:
You've said goodbye several times now, but you can't seem to resist returning for one last sail across the moat. You have these massive bowel movements (or would that be vowel movements?) on-screen decrying how horrible we are, how sick we are, and on and on into the sunset, hurling accusations, using leaps of logic and Olympic athlete couldn't make, saying we make you ill and that you'll never return. And yet you do. Ever ask yourself why? Scratch your own surface a bit instead of everyone else's.

You return to ask the same question over and over, accusing us of not answering your queries, but that is only because you're not getting the missionary position answers you want.

You've been less than forthright with us (notwithstanding your cyber-confession of sexual feelings for a five year old); you came to this site using a variety of names, writing in bad English, and now your English has exponentially improved in such a short time. Golly gee...

Do us a favor and keep your promise(s) to us to stay away.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:14:06 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Monmot
Subject: Could have been a ***BEST***, but...
Message:
Monmot,

I found your scatological examination of Bjorn's vowel movement to be right to the point.

I find for myself that the illogical and absurd arguments that cyber trolls like Bjorn pose are so twisted that I cannot even begin to decipher them to the point of formulating a decent response. It's as if their words are designed to cause confusion. It is an overly simplistic thinking that might be designed to speak to and capture the child mind that might lurk within us.

Thus said, this person who poses as Bjorn and probably as others as well is so half baked that that Bjorn might be Maharaji himself. Or Bjorn is the product of years of attentive listening to his Master, Maharaji the Lord of Brainwash.

Remember what Maharaji's satsangs are like - round and round and jumping to conclusions, blanket generalities and a real absence of critical thinking that one would expect from a functioning educated adult. Maharaji's speaking like Bjorn's writing have the appearance of an adolescent personality who never finished high school. And where their major influences came from hiding out in a bedroom, being pampered by their mothers or servants and learning about life by watching American television.

It's no wonder why Maharaji admonished us, his premies, not to better ourselves through education and careers - we would no longer be susceptible to his childlike ranting and raving.

And how interesting is the definition of the word scatology as defined by www.dictionary.com:

sca·tol·o·gy (sk-tl-j, sk-)
n., pl. sca·tol·o·gies.

The study of fecal excrement, as in medicine, paleontology, or biology.

  • An obsession with excrement or excretory functions.
  • The psychiatric study of such an obsession.
  • Obscene language or literature, especially that dealing pruriently or humorously with excrement and excretory functions.

Yes, Bjorn is obsessed. He cannot leave us because of his obsession. Of course, he will counter that we are obsessed with Maharaji and yada, yada, yada.

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 00:18:29 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Could have been a ***BEST***, but...
Message:
I get a ***BEST***, and I'm playing to an empty house (of eDrek). But not for long.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 21:04:29 (GMT)
From: DeProGram Anand Ji
Email: not given
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Could have been a ***BEST***, but...
Message:
'The rantings of an adolescent who never finished High School', that captures it perfectly. The rhetoric itself was so sophomoric, so incredibly unsophisticated that I am embarrassed that I was ever taken in by it.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 22:41:46 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: DeProGram Anand Ji
Subject: Could have been a ***BEST***, but...
Message:
I think how it works is your mind does a kind of 'double-bluff'. The kid is so awful at talking, so un-guru-like, so greasy, undignified and unmystical you have to conclude 'he MUST be The Lord, or he'd never get away with it'. Something like that.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:20:09 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Funny how silent the premies are right now
Message:
I don't think premies have any reason to be quiet right now.
Opinions are opinions - they don't really mean much in the scheme of things.

Gut reaction?....

I think anyone - whether GMJ or whomever - has a right to hire a lawyer and silence anyone they think they can for what ever reason they have. Period.
But, they better beware they are not opening a can of worms. It seems from my readings here - it wasn't the best move GMJ could have made.

But, if there indeed are some copyright laws being infringed upon and he thinks he can stop that - well,go at it GMJ.

Does he play chess? It doesn't seem it, does it?
But,maybe he has some plan we haven't thought of.

Silly, don't you think, he would do all this so close to programs in major cities. What is he up to?
Or is he thinking the exes don't have it in them to cause any real commotion.
I think they can indeed - esp. if they contact the Globe or Herald in Boston. It would be a great article for any reporter to cover.

It's going to be very interesting to watch.

Elaine

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 13:45:11 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: WHAT!??? You said this?:
Message:
Elaine, do you really mean to say this:

'I think anyone - whether GMJ or whomever - has a right to ... silence anyone they think they can for what ever reason they have.'

You sure you meant that?

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 23:52:40 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: WHAT!??? You said this?:
Message:
...anyone has a right to hire a lawyer you left out and (I should have said attempt or try) to silence anyone.

The way you quoted me it sounded like anyone has a right to silence anyone as in - 'a Mafia hit'---funny.

I meant if I want to try through 'legal means' to silence ---say my neighbor for even some fabricated issue - I have a right to spend my money and try to do so --- as in it's America. It's a right. Whether a real issue or a delusional,paranoid issue. It's just anyone's right - If you want to take GMJ to court - or he you ---- you both have the right ---- is all I meant.
And I have no vested interests in either - just as entertainment
interests.

However, Jim is usually right about me - - I'm pretty much on automatic tolerance. He took a nice pill today. You probably shoudn't take much I say seriously. :)

See ya,cq,
Elaine B.

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Date: Wed, May 31, 2000 at 14:33:55 (GMT)
From: What about morals
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Elaine: you have no saying? Strange.
Message:
Elaine said:

I meant if I want to try through 'legal means' to silence ---say my neighbor for even some fabricated issue - I have a right to spend my money and try to do so --- as in it's America. It's a right. Whether a real issue or a delusional,paranoid issue. It's just anyone's right - If you want to take GMJ to court - or he you ---- you both have the right ---- is all I meant.
And I have no vested interests in either - just as entertainment interests.

No moral interest?

nt

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Date: Wed, May 31, 2000 at 16:01:55 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: What about morals
Subject: Why hide? your name is...
Message:
'No moral interest?'

Good question.

The first thing I think of is,' 'My God, no one went into a Wendy's and shot 7 people,here'

I had a huge moral interest in John Grisham's 'The Chamber'.(Or any death penalty issue - Bush's Texas is a slaughterhouse.)

A moral interest? In M and some ex going at it...no.

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 12:52:34 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: So where do we go from here?
Message:
Well, M has certainly hired the lawyers and has silenced a few of the ex-premie sites.

But what of our rights to redress the situation? Any suggestions? Rights are all well and good - but without the money to pay the lawyers and put them into effect, the possibility of exercising our rights seems to go straight out the window.

Or is there such a thing as legal aid over in the States?

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 13:56:20 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: So where do we go from here?
Message:
Hi cq,

You're askng me? I'm flattered.
Sure seems like simple publicity is the way to go - all the programs coming up - the individual cities' news groups I would expect would love all this stuff.
I mean on the religious page alone this would be a great article,but then you've got the INTERNET involved and CENSORSHIP ----Wow, that all makes a great story.

That's a start,no?

See ya,cq,
Elaine

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:20:57 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Elaine's on automatic
Message:
Don't ask Elaine what she really means about anything. Her main ambition here is to show 'tolerance' and thus counter the criticism that she's in a cult which necessarily restricts thought in its members. So ask Elaine if something's okay -- anything -- and she'll say 'sure, why not?' She's not really thinking when she says this as is obvious from the comment you've asked her about.

What's worse is that when asked about this bizarre sentence earlier by myself, she just shrugged and smiled. Obvioulsy, Elaine's not to be taken seriously. She can't take herself seriously.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:10:14 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: Funny how silent the premies are right now
Message:
Howie Carr (howiecarr@mindspring.com) mentioned (briefly) the emails he has gotten concerning the Guru that is coming to town. I believe he may take a shot at it for a segment. I'll keep all posted as to the time and day of it and the number for call-ins. ps all you premies out there are invited to call in and tell him what a great guy the guru is. You ex's out there keep those emails going to howiecarr@mindspring.com this week.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:20:29 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: jondon
Subject: Newspapers
Message:
Very cool - now is he a reporter for a major or minor newspaper out there - haven't lived on the east coast for a long time - don't know the name. Want to get it when he does an article.

I believe I recall you saying you lived with premies in Boston.
I lived there -1977-Nov.79.Escaped the traffic and bad vibes.
Fun city to visit. I worked in Gov't Ctr. at an archetics office. And the Pregnant bldg for awhile shuffling T-bills.

I tell friends about you sipping your coffee as premies got into a car and then listened to them complain after the program - that was the best. :)

Premies are funny little creatures.

Elaine

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 10:44:32 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Newspapers
Message:
Hey Elaine, I live in Beantown and it is a great city to visit. Living here has its ups and downs like anywhere. But we have the greatest sports teams around and I am a Celtic/Red Sox/Bruins/Patriots Premie, so I ain't goin' nowhere. Howie Carr is a reporter for the Boston Herald (major publication). Be sure to write him with a Journey or two, he'll love it. Loves to see someone pulling scams and outing them.

Govt. Center, site of the 86 Boston Celtics Championship Victory Parade. I remember it like it was yesterday. Rubbing shoulders with Bird, Parrish and McHale....It don't get no better than that....except next month....rubbing shoulders with the Lord of the Universe....Pie anyone.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:07:00 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: jondon
Subject: oh,saw thread way down below about Howie.(nt)
Message:
om
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:35:10 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: everyone
Subject: Have emailed Howie. NT
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:42:43 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: Funny how you think of things, Elaine
Message:
Opinions are opinions - they don't really mean much in the scheme of things.

What a silly opinion! Opinions govern our lives. Mind you, I guess our lives don't really mean much in the scheme of things either, right? Hell, why stop there? Even the 'scheme of things' doesn't really mean much in the scheme of things either.

Nonsense.

I think anyone - whether GMJ or whomever - has a right to hire a lawyer and silence anyone they think they can for what ever reason they have. Period.

And what 'right' might that be, Elaine? It sounds like you're saying no more than 'might is right' which, again, is nonsense, not to mention morally bankrupt.

But, if there indeed are some copyright laws being infringed upon and he thinks he can stop that - well,go at it GMJ.

That simple, eh? Interesting that the only way you're able to maintain your 'ho hum' indifference to the real issues concering Maharaji is by pretending to be this superficial and morally retarded.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:49:42 (GMT)
From: Dr.Juan the victim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Funny how bizarre
Message:
me english is not so good..so a bear a with me
wish I had a good at tornknee to legally battle
some o' your ex- and fake non-ex butts.
maybe I won't wish...just get me one..
cause when you is a trashing the heart.
you smell like fart..
and that shit don't rhyme...slim...sue on a dime..within time?
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:30:42 (GMT)
From: Abbuz iINO Cent
Email: None
To: Dr.Juan the victim
Subject: Funny how bizarre
Message:
Ai fil de zaim!!! zo, zo tachin... rait tu da jart... estrai dere...vlez ar dei; dei ar vlind, ant inosent.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:47:25 (GMT)
From: Tami
Email: None
To: Dr.Juan the victim
Subject: Tat iz SO butifull!!!
Message:
I am just so blisd out by wat yu sed. So butifull. Mi hert iz ful of gritiud. Wat can I saa?
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:49:46 (GMT)
From: Maynard eDrekrebs
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Tami
Subject: Tami, you're a ditz
Message:
Tami, it ain't beautiful. What da rapper sez is art, man. The man is an artist. Ya dig?
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:41:24 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Maynard eDrekrebs
Subject: Why Maynard!
Message:
I thought I was the only one here from the gang. In fact I call myself Zelda G Crebs- as in married you instead of Dobie

What say you???

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:02:23 (GMT)
From: Maynard eDrekrebs
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Zelda
Subject: What do I say? Skiiiiippppper!
Message:
Come on, Zelda! Yes, you wasted much of your life by always throwing yourself at Dobie and where did that get you?

Well, it got you into believing that somewhere along the line you and I got married. And, hey, you probably also believed some fat guy named Maharaji was the Lord of the Universe, too.

But, you know that I don't like girls, don't ya? I mean, there I was on that island with these two beautiful women, Ginger and Marianne, and I end up sharing a shack with the Skipper and had to be his 'mama' for nearly six seasons.

Never you mind all that. It's over and right now I'm in love with the Rapper or the Spammer or whatever he's calling himself these days.

Man, this is one bad hate site.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:11:54 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Maynard eDrekrebs
Subject: What do I say? Skiiiiippppper!
Message:
Well then I will have to brush off the old hairdo and get back into the spray.
..now which way did Dobie go....
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:56:36 (GMT)
From: Tami
Email: None
To: Maynard eDrekrebs
Subject: Yes, an rtist, four sur!
Message:
I lick wat he sed abutt kikking ass. hahahaha. Yu x-primis ar so wikkid and meen. You dizzurve it. ahahahahaha. I hop Mirage wips yor ases and yu ar gone. But I DID meat a boyfrind here, and I need anuthur one, now. Iz Rob stil a round? How abut Milly? Both ar cuut.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:04:55 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Tami
Subject: Tami, is there any proof to the rumor...
Message:
that you might be the daughter and the sister of Maharaji?
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 01:10:06 (GMT)
From: Tami
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Tami, is there any proof to the rumor...
Message:
Yu meen, meen x-primi. And I am not dum. I no wat yu ar saying. I just watcht the vidio of Chinatown, with Fai Doneaway. I no wat yur stoopid jok iz. Yu ar so meen to peepul.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 01:54:27 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Tami
Subject: Forget it, Jake. It's just Maharajitown.
Message:
Tami,

U iz weigh a head ov me. I only resently understand (like stand under) wat the Fai Doneaway sceen wear she sez, 'She'z my sister - she'z my dawter, she'z my sister'.

I dint know that peepul waz that bad and do bad tings like that.

No joke, Tami. I think I'm dumb.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:26:27 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Seems I scared Tami away there
Message:
Gosh, I wasn't really going after you, Tami. I was just trying to get a rise out of your Dad or is he your brother?

Just trying to do a Larry Flynt to try to give the old Maharaji something to sue me about.

Here it is: Maharaji had his first sexual experience in an outhouse with his mother.

Just make sure that you and your lawyers read up on Falwell vs. Flynt first. Protected Free Speech, Mr. Public Person.

That's what it's about in this country, Prem Pal. Perhaps, you should have been the one to return to mother India and get into politics and become a real liar with some political clout to silence your critics.

Nope, instead you had to stay in the U.S. and become fabulously wealthy off of the backs of your premies that you kept enslaved with your bullshit about being Lord or bigger and better than God and how we was completely nothing without you and how we didn't even deserve you.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:07:54 (GMT)
From: Psss. Roger
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Is Helen Tami? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:53:56 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Psss. Roger
Subject: Is Helen Tami? nt
Message:
Well I used to be Tami Rainbow and then other folks could not resist putting on the persona of a dumb blonde bimbo so....they took her from me, sob!
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 18:43:18 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Helen
Subject: Another case of Copyright Infringement!
Message:
Helen,

Tami is your creation, your character, your multi-dimensional personality disorder *** and if Tami has been taken away from you then you have every legal right to have your attorneys put a stop to this.

*** No offense to any Forum participants past or present. All characters that Roger eDrek assassinates are strictly fictional and any resemblance to real persons is strictly coincidence.

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 17:18:13 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Being Tami Rainbow
Message:
Actually someone on the forum asked my permission to 'try Tami on' at times, too funny! I said 'go for it, being brainless Tami is fun!'
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:17:03 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: let's invent more of em
Message:
these guys are so funny!
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:21:01 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: all
Subject: oh of course I was kidding everyone knows that
Message:
Just working and tired
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 16:13:37 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: oh of course I was kidding everyone knows that
Message:
more characters? Selene, writing with you was one of the most enjoyable experiences of my life. Let's create some new characters. Let's revive the stories here-------

Lena--where is she now....?

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 18:13:31 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Lena and Red got it on over on AG
Message:
They are driving around someplace near Amaroo. Harry knows.
But that is history.
We'll figure something out Helen ;)
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:11:38 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Psss. Roger
Subject: you are so dumb - Helen is Helen!!
Message:
and who is Psss. Roger??
nice to see things are back to normal around here.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:41:33 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Dr.Juan the victim
Subject: I see that Mr. Streetmouth the Rapper is back (nt)
Message:
same old, same old
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:11:55 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Funny how you think of things, Elaine
Message:
Hey Jim,
Nice to see you're still around. You always make me smile.

Do opinions really mean so much to you,Jim? They don't to me.

Why thank you,Jim - so you don't think I'm superficial - but only pretending? Well, now we're getting somewhere.

As always,
Elaine

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:41:51 (GMT)
From: Mickey the Mole
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Sssssh Jim, quiet please....
Message:
Don't you know there's a Knowledge Session in progress 'as we speak'.

Maimi Beach Convention center, hall B.

But don't tell anyone. Wonder if they'll subpoena epo's server logs now?

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:38:08 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Mickey the Mole
Subject: there is one working below......'a question'
Message:
trying to create some doubts
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:03:12 (GMT)
From: Ged
Email: gedholtrum@email.com
To: Elan Vital
Subject: AN INVITATION TO ELAN VITAL - SUE ME
Message:
My name is Ged Holtrum my address is 58-60 Longford St, London, England.NW1 3PE
email: gedholtrum@email.com

The following are my own words and I have not been encouraged by any third party to make them.

I hereby state that I share responsibility with every other person on these pages who has renounced your cult for the sham that it is. I also share with them the pain and mental anguish that we have been through since first hearing your lies. I am prepared to defend myself with testimonies from people who have worked at the highest level of your organization Divine light Mission / Élan Vital (one and the same). Also I will not hesitate to subpoena serving members of your cult and documents emanating from your organization to any court case that may arise from this matter I include the head of your organization Mr Prem Pal Rawat (stage name: Maharaji) in my list of people who I would insist on attending and being subject to cross-examination so that I can show that all allegations made on these pages can be substantiated with ease.

I therefore invite you to get your solicitors to serve me with a notice of litigation, in fact I implore you to, because even if your big money legal tactics can buy you a verdict you could live with I promise you the fall-out from a trial will hit your client where it hurts most- the truth being told.

Oh and if your wondering if you have grounds for litigation given that you have no record of me having ' defamed ' your organisation and your false prophet let me say this. SUE ME, YOU MIND FUCKING, MONEY GRABBING, LIE SPINNING, CULT BUILDING, LIFE DESTROYING, HYPOCRITICAL, DECIEVING ARSEHOLES!

Now if you are not prepared to sue me and stand up in court to make your own case can I please suggest that you refrain from sending letters to ISP's who host the sites that are critical of you. If you are not prepared to sue what exactly are you threatening them with?
Each time you interfere with one of our sites I will send a copy of this letter to the ISP in question as well as to the law firm who issues the letter. I'm sure they would be at a loss to know why you would not sue a named individual who is actively admitting to the 'defamation ' you speak of.
I suggest you let us get on with helping ourselves heal from the trauma your organisation put us through and desist from trying to shut us up.
Should you indeed wish to take this matter to court you have my name and address above, which I assure you are genuine.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:15:42 (GMT)
From: WHAT ABOUT
Email: None
To: Ged
Subject: AN INVITATION TO JAIL?
Message:
NT
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:32:40 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: WHAT ABOUT
Subject: Hey Prem Rawat!
Message:
That sounded like a threat. The admins will ban you if you're not careful (but you know that already, right... 'Omniscient, omnipresent, omni-fucking-egomaniac.')
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:28:42 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: WHAT ABOUT
Subject: Jail? How dumb! You a premie, by chance? (nt)
Message:
ff
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:57:20 (GMT)
From: Ralph
Email: ralph_smith68@hotmail.com
To: Ged
Subject: The guaranteed way to get Rat into the court room
Message:
That's very good. I think the only way to guarantee that Maharaji & Co actually take legal action is for ex-premies to have their own server and then, when asked to take off web sites which defamed the Rat or were in breach of copyright, they simply said a big fat 'No' to it.

The general web servers have got no interest in keeping a site on their server if it could cause potential trouble. They are not fighting for a cause and are only interested in profit and expanding their presence. That is why an ex-premie owned server would be the only way to guarantee getting the Rat & Co into the court room.

So how much does it cost to own your own server? Anyone have any ideas about this? Do you actually have to own a server to have control over the sites on it? What about virtual servers? This is the way I would go.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:11:17 (GMT)
From: ged
Email: None
To: Ralph
Subject: The guaranteed way to get Rat into the court room
Message:
Yes , Ralph that would be an interesting way of going around it, although I'm still convinced that even if it were on our own server M would still not risk the publicity fall-out from a trial, his only hope is that the truth is limited to a few websites, which is why it was such a bad move getting the pages banned as it has now spawned more sites than ever. I'm sure that whovever his technological advisor is ,he knows that his advice is about to lose him his job once the effect of it becomes obvious.
An entry level server would set you back about £3,000 over here and yes you would ultimately be responsible for refusing to take down any pages. So theoreticaly , it would be the way forward but I still say he would never have the guts to sue. You set up the server and I'll do the libeling !!!

Ged . I fought the lard and the lard won ( a whole heap of ridicule)

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:45:28 (GMT)
From: Ralph
Email: None
To: ged
Subject: The guaranteed way to get Rat into the court room
Message:
An entry level server for three grand. Perhaps I might pick up a second hand one for 1k. I don't know how you pay for these things to be connected permanently to the net. As you know, it's hard to get any info about any of this here unless you're an IT professional, which I'm not.

Also, I know zilch about how to set a server up and the software to use. But I am tempted to look into it for the potential profit (for me) in the long term. Just how do you make money from a server? Yes, I am green. I guess one could have a Geocities type of free web space providing and get payed by advertisers or, preferable to me, charge people directly for using the server space but not be too fussy about who or what you have on the server, provided it's not child porn etc.

Where there's a will, there's always a way. I've learned a lot in the last few years about the net; more than I ever had imagined I'd learn. No doubt, if I require software for my server then there's people eager to sell it to me.

If you are really willing to be sued by Maharaji & Co then I will look into this possibility of setting up my own server.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:11:22 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: Ged
Subject: AN INVITATION TO ELAN VITAL - SUE ME
Message:
Wow! Very good. Very impressive.

That's why I posted. But, while I'm here there was a typo - 'i before e except after c' -deceived was just spelled wrong.

Very forthright of you.And also if you are going to be sending this letter out - the 'F- word' etc - diminishes the message.
In my eyes. This is NOT a criticism. Anger sometimes gets the best of us and then others think us too emotional to consider seriously. Hope you don't take this the wrong way.

Elaine

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:02:50 (GMT)
From: ged
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: AN INVITATION TO ELAN VITAL - SUE ME
Message:
I take your point and will rephrase the letter when sending it to ISPs but will still want the original letter here to stay in it's present form so that they have 'proof of defamation'.

As to the typo , that will be one of the reasons I will be claiming exemplary damages with my counter-claim because since i hav bean so tromotized by this kult one of the side efex has bean a demise in my ability to reed and rite properly. My motor-nuerons are shot wot with all the brainwashing etc.

no offence taken.
Ged

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:48:46 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: ged
Subject: AN INVITATION TO ELAN VITAL - SUE ME
Message:
Ged,

Still laughing - that was adorable.

Also, a very good point. :)

Elaine

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:34:47 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: ged
Subject: Isn't Elaine nice?
Message:
and she is a premie!!!

Hi Ged...

S

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:23:23 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Isn't Elaine nice?
Message:
I don't know SB,

Just for the record-----
-I don't give money,
-I don't propagate,
-I don't go to programs unless they are convenient and I can go see friends at the same time,
-I don't meditate an hour at night and in the morning,
-I use other techniques in addition to the four,
-I don't do service in the traditional sense (within the organization).

And I feel no guilt for any of the above.

So,not exactly your model premie,
Elaine

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 09:32:41 (GMT)
From: Ged
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Isn't Elaine nice?x4
Message:
Elaine , my definition of a Premie is a person who believes they cannot have access to the love ( for love read grace )inside them without the help of Maharaji becuase they believe him to be the key to their heart and as such believe the he is perfect master.
That love is yours already , you were born with it , you accessed it long before M came on the scene to give it a name and told you it was his. In my opinion K is spiritual Larceny.

I am intersted to know if you feel you fall into my definiton of a premie or perhaps you have found another way for you to reconcile yourself with M and your own experience? I appreciate this is highly personal territory but would be intersted in your answer.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 13:46:25 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Ged
Subject: Ged and SB - nice people...
Message:
Ged,
Not much time at the moment - but prob don't need much.

Well, by your def of a premie then I would not be. I think that is an absurd statement for anyone to believe: that ' they cannot have access to the love inside them without the help of GMJ bec he is the key to their heart..'
Do premies really believe that??

Are there some Hawaiins we could conquer with that belief??
Or maybe we could set up some schools on Indian Reservations?

That's what it sounds like to me.

Oh, and that was sweet to be sensitive to this being a personal area.

See ya later,
Elaine B.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 14:16:55 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Ged and SB - nice people...
Message:
Elaine,

Maharaji has said many times -you know this-that without the master the techniques are nothing; without him you cannot have an experience because you need his grace! This is basically the cult mentality: You need somebody to lead you somwhere and without him you cannot do it. Why do yoy think premies go to see him and watch the satellites events? Because the premies need his grace. They have come to believe that Mahariachi is not a 'normal' being but the Lord, who 'gives' grace to HIS premies, HIS devotees. Maybe you forgot.

Love,

SB

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 21:12:40 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Ged and SB - nice people...
Message:
But SB,
Don't you think that's awfully extreme that premies would think they cannot exp the love inside without the grace of GMJ????

And you must know by now I'm not into the cult mentality - never was - maybe the first year or so.

I don't know why each premie goes to see M or sees sat.videos.
His words inspire premies to simply remember that this world is not the worst place and that there is peace if you go inside and 'practice'. Or sometimes that this world IS the worst place and go inside and practice. That is why I would listen to any sat sang - just to be inspired to go inside. However, give me a tape of someone else and I'll listen to that ----example----
Caroline Myss,PhD - a 2 tape - called 'Spiritual Madness'.
I highly recommend it to everyone here ---- and at the same time could care less if anyone follows my recommendation.

Yeah, I guess I don't pay alot of heed to his saying without him the techs are nothing.
I'm a bad premie,SB. Bad,Bad. But, a happy one.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 01:03:27 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Isn't Elaine nice?
Message:
Hi Elaine!

You know? I really ment that! You are a premie and you are helping an ex:0 Remarkable. That is all I have to say.

Look: All is too funny!!!

Love,

sb

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:22:15 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Ged and Ralph.
Subject: Larry La Com in ex White pages may have leads. NT
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 14:39:27 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Starting in June:ONE WEEKLY SATELLITE EVENT
Message:
MAHARAJI IS THE BIGGEST JERK, ROBBER, LIAR, DILUDED,NARCISIST,FAKE, GREEDY TEACHER WALKING ON EARTH!!!

Maharaji's TRYING to keep the cult going, but it seems that the courtain WILL come down ANYWAY, after all. It doesn't look good, right? He made A BIG MISTAKE!

In his BS speeches he talked several times about changes, as to prepare the premIes for whatever...everything changes...Yeah, changes because it MUST fit his needs at that particular moment! Make some numbers of how much money a weekly program would gave the ASSMASTER!!! I'm fuming...sorry...because ALL is about power, control and money.

Begining next month the premies, if they are good devotees, have to '$deposit$' weekly on Lard's organization, and they will, 'religiously', because what being a devotee means anyway, really?. God forbid the guilt trip this may cause in a premie's mind if the Master wants to tell you something and at that moment you wanted to play tennis....! You must be there... Where else would a premie be at that time? Imagine that you miss something he says...Maharaji has said this before: Where else can you be if the Master.....SHIT!!! I remember my premie days. I know...how much money and time I've lost because of the endoctrination...I really hate'em, and I'm glad of his bad decission to attack the exes. I'm enjoying the whole thing because 'the best is yet to come' keeps ringing in my ears...

With a weekly program Maharaji will keep the premies 'straight' on their devotion...they will wait with anticipation for the weekend...to continue being BRAINWASHED to believe the 'PATH' is so special... SICKENING, ISN'T? Grrrrrr........

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 14:01:18 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: New Forum at Ex-cult Resource Center just launched
Message:
Just in case something terrible happens to this website in the near future (not that I'm expecting it, but you never know ...) I'd like to inform everyone here of a new Forum that's just started at the 'Ex-cult Resource Center'.

You'll find it at http://www.ex-cult.org/bbsbin/excbbs.pl

Here's the text of a message I've just posted:


Subject:
Silencing the anti-cultists

HOT NEWS JUST IN!

Some of you might remember the 'boy-god' of the 70s - Guru Maharaj Ji - and his organisation called Divine Light Mission.

Well, these days he's stopped claiming to be the 'Perfect Master' and, no longer either a guru OR God incarnate, he has slightly altered his name to 'Maharaji', and DLM is now called 'Elan Vital'.

Why do I mention this? Well this last week the Maharaji has been pulling the plug on a lot of ex-cult sites that are opposed to him. Claiming infringement of copyright, his big-shot lawyers have contacted several ISPs and shut down several sites of his former-followers-turned-critics.

However, the largest of the websites is still extant, so feel free to check it out before it too, might go the way of the others. It's called www.ex-premie.org, and has a lively Forum .

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 16:07:20 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Unlikeliest Cult
Message:
Here is some interesting reading from www.skeptic.com:
(I found this from a link at www.ex-cult.org)

The Unlikeliest Cult in History

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 12:07:48 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Unlikeliest Cult
Message:
Interesting case there, G - I had never heard of Ayn Rand before, and her situation has obvious parallels with Maharaji's.

Let me share some thoughts on the topic (i.e. pardon me while I pontificate!)


If one ascribes to a moral, intellectual or philosophical belief-system which has been formulated by someone else - as opposed to to discovering /assimilating/developing one's own system - it's quite human and natural to look up to the founder of that system/belief/practice as being wiser than oneself.

And if that founder then sets themselves up as an authority on the subject, other afficionados will no doubt be likely to see him/her as a figurehead of some sort in an attempt to set them up on a pedestal. You might call it simply a recognition of another's wisdom, but if the founder likes the attention, it can easily degenerate into a form of hero-worship, which, although being initially very pleasant for the one receiving the adulation, can often result in them becoming a pawn of those who hold him/her in high regard.

In an attempt to sustain their image, the founder then finds it necessary to adapt their personality to meet the demands of this new public persona which they have allowed themselves - and been encouraged - to take on.

To a large extent, that is the price that has to be paid by those who wish to retain the power that has been endowed them by their admirers.

But this new personality is NOT their true personality. Sooner or later the frailties that make us all human surface in the object of our attentions.

At this stage the followers often find themselves split into two camps: those who still admire and respect the system of belief/experience that originally attracted them to the founder, but who no longer put him on a pedestal; and those who have amalgamated that respect for the system with what becomes a dependence on its founder. In other words, the wisdom they found in the teachings has become identified with and personified in the actual human being who set out those teachings. The two become co-dependent. In Maharaji's case he is (for many premies) seen as being as great as/greater than the 'Knowledge' he reveals. There is confusion between the giver and the gift. (Gift might be the wrong word to use here - the transaction is clearly not one-way, in that he requires what was once called devotion - now referred to in premies circles as 'gratitude' - in exchange). But to deny/reject the giver is not necessarily to deny/reject the 'gift'.

On this site (as you know) you'll find ex-premies (and apparently premies - hi there Elaine!) of both sorts. My own personal tendency is to allow room for the possibility that people can benefit from the meditation practice, though other exes, in throwing out the bathwater of M's evident lack of wisdom, also throw out the possibility of the meditation he revealed us being of any use.

Which brings us to the question of what is it that motivates people, not just to follow a system of thought, but to place a guru/teacher above us in the process? I think that there is an element of self-aggrandisation in the procees of following a guru. If we can identify the worth of the 'Knowledge' as being comparable to its revealer, where does that place us in the hierarchy?

We thought ourselves wiser for having taken 'Knowledge'. And many of us went along with the idea that Maharaji was even greater than God for revealing what we were told was an experience of God to us (though I think he no longer claims that the meditation has anything to do with God, or even spirituality).

But what were we really saying to ourselves?

We had endowed Maharaji with a superiority that, to some extent, we wanted to reflect on us. By submitting ourselves to his authority as 'Lord' over our lives - by being his disciples - weren't we playing out a role that placed us in a 'higher' position than the great masses who hadn't/wouldn't recognise him for what we WANTED him to be?

Were we simply trying to reserve a ticket to Heaven for ourselves? Fully authenticated, signed, sealed and stamped by …who? Our own wishful thinking?

We gave Maharaji power over us in return for what? For thinking ourselves to be 'saved'?

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 15:11:30 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Excellent post ^^^ and comments
Message:
Part of the above post by cg:


In an attempt to sustain their image, the founder then finds it necessary to adapt their personality to meet the demands of this new public persona which they have allowed themselves - and been encouraged - to take on.

To a large extent, that is the price that has to be paid by those who wish to retain the power that has been endowed them by their admirers.

But this new personality is NOT their true personality. Sooner or later the frailties that make us all human surface in the object of our attentions.

G:
In an earlier thread, parallels between Prem Rawat and Michael Jackson were pointed out. Another parallel is the price paid by leaders/entertainers and their followers. One way of looking at what happens is the concept of a 'positive' feedback loop gone out of control. Somewhere along the way a critical point gets crossed and then uncontrolled escalation then occurs. Both leader and follower are seduced into a pathological relationship. In some ways, the leader is as much a slave as the followers.

One price that is paid by followers is oppressive conformity. Yesterday I saw an underground tape called 'Heavy Metal Parking Lot', footage of head-bangers before a Judas Priest concert. The level of conformity is amazing, they make a religion out of it. One guy was asked 'What is your philosophy of life?' He eloquently responded (condensed) 'It sucks shit, man, and Heavy Metal Rules! All that punk shit sucks. It doesn't even belong on Earth, it belongs on planet Mars. Judas Priest, Scorpions, ..., they all Rule! And Madonna, she's a dick. ... See this chick here? She's fucked up on acid Jack Daniels. ...' This illustrates the extreme narrowness of many belief systems, here he says that 'punk sucks'; there isn't even a need to mention Neal Diamond, that's a given. The next footage I saw was from before a Neal Diamond concert, and strangely, there was a lot of similarity in behavior.

Last night in a awards show, Jackson mentioned that he has been entertaining since he was five, so he has not had a normal life, but that it has been rewarding. His tone of voice seemed to suggest the price you mentioned, that he feels a bit enslaved by the strange relationship that he has with his fanatical fans. It seems to me that some of the weirdness that leaders/entertainers get into is directly encouraged by the followers, while some of it is somehow related behaviour.

I think much of this holds true for Prem Rawat. The fact that he was born into a situation in which people worshipped him from birth makes it very difficult for him to extricate himself. His concept of himself is at stake. But this is a challenge he needs to face head on. It seems that he made half-hearted attempts before but never really followed through, the attempts to normalize the relationship were never truly sincere.

Prem Rawat, now is the time to do so. Face it, early in your life you crossed the line, then crossed back over the line when you admitted you are not God. The effect of doing that will not go away. The problem is, now your selling yourself as 'The Master' which is just a watered-down version of 'Guru is greater than God'. My guess is that most if not all of your followers have doubts about you as 'The Master'. Why not finish what you started? Are you addicted to the adoration? Are you afraid that you won't have nearly as much money coming in? Are you afraid of what will happen to some of your fanatical followers if you admit that you are not 'The Master'? (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here.) Consider this: the benefits of this abnormal relationship are not worth the price. The situation you find yourself in will not go away. The ex-premie sites WILL continue. The doubts your followers have will continue. It would be wise to cut your 'losses', otherwise the situation will only get 'worse'. Btw, if you make this admission some of your fans will still think you're 'The Master'. They'll think 'Oh, it's just His Lila, He's just playing with us.'

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 02:03:46 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: G
Subject: I'd say she was anything but rational...
Message:
And her philosophy of Objectivism, since it was derived through pure reason, revealed final Truth and dictated absolute morality.

Certainly a cult (or at least personality cult) - but one built on personal philosophy rather than science.

Too much there to go into there, but I liked the last paragraph - provided you don't mistake science's 'fleeting' quality, or openness to further refinement for insubstantiality.

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 03:43:05 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: science's 'fleeting' quality
Message:
Certainly would not want to do that.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:59:35 (GMT)
From: A question:
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: If...
Message:
... Elan Vital sued the ex-premie site and the people who posted defamtory and libel statements, who would pay the lawyers, and if there would be a conviction in favour of EV who would pay the compensation? A couple of convictions in such cases have recently been sentenced.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:59:39 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: A question:
Subject: elan vital would pay
Message:
If the opposition gets put down then a final solution on the cult will be enacted.
Just the facts mam.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:11:03 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: A question:
Subject: If...EV wants to put icing on the cake.....
Message:
I am not a lawyer but I have been to court a few times. I do not presume to know the answers to your hypothetical questions but these are the thoughts that come to mind as I ponder.

Wealthy Meditation Teacher Brings Suit Against Non-Believers

Big guys suing little guys for expressing their opinions has never sat well in the public eye. Especially, when the big guys operate with non-profit IRS status. Image is everything. Cultivating and grooming the humanitarian or educational image while bringing suit against those who express opposing views appears to be suicidal.

Lawyers are often humiliated by Judges for bringing cases to court. As well intentioned as the legal system is, it is tremendously overburdened. Racking up several thousands of dollars in legal fees is quick and easy. Racking up strong public anti-sentiments is also quick and easy once a case goes to court and begins to consume tax dollars and judicial resources. Court Reporters are a part of every news agency in the world. They cover the courts and look for cases which will capture the public attention. This case we are hypothesizing about has all of the necessary elements necessary to capture the public attention. (www/cult/big money guru/brainwashing/non-profit status) All great contemporaty content which will sell newspapers and network advertising.

A question:
wrote....
If... Elan Vital sued the ex-premie site and the people who posted defamatory and libel statements, who would pay the lawyers,

Are public defenders, law school legal clinics, state bar association clinics, ACLU lawyers available for civil cases? Yes (and they are free).

Would ambulance chasers be interested in this representation?...
probably. The deeper the pockets of either of the contestees involved...the more likely the involvement of this type of lawyer. Counter suits may make the deep pockets of M pretty attractive to a creative lawyer.

A question:
wrote....
and...
if there would be a conviction in favour of EV who would pay the compensation? A couple of convictions in such cases have recently been sentenced.

It has always been hard to extract blood from a turnip. There is little point in trying to file damage claims. Lawyers know this. Most claimants know this too.

The hypothetical Ifs are good questions to ask. It would seem that the potential for news worthy notoriety if such law suits were pressed would cause something which wishes to remain invisible more visible.

But, you have posed two questions worthy of consider by parties on both sides of the aisle.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 15:49:15 (GMT)
From: Ged
Email: None
To: A question:
Subject: If...
Message:
For me I think that that is the whole point of this matter. Elan Vital will not / cannot sue for the simple reason that if they were to sue for libel or defamination they would have to be prepared to stand up in court and listen to defendent after defendant spew out reams of documents and testamonies from people who where in positions to know what was and is still going on . I would personally subpeana the whole fucking lot of them especially Maharaji ( who thinks he would turn up to give evidence and subject himself to cross-examination by exes?) and show beyond doubt that their whole set-up is an elaborate hoax and a MIND FUCKING CULT!!!!!

Ged the the complete barrister

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 18:31:39 (GMT)
From: A question:
Email: None
To: Ged
Subject: What if...
Message:
...Elan Vital wanted to clear Maharajis name and reputation?

May be the headlines would not be what you dream?

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 00:34:47 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: A question:
Subject: Does EV have the dough??
Message:
If EV has to pay off Big M and event costs and all that from donations...how much dough do they really have?

It seems to me, protecting Big M's name would be something he would not do directly, but would have EV do.

Isn't part of the non-profit based on no official M - EV link?

It doesn't seem to me he'd risk his own dough in a court case.

If he did go to court...could he swear on a bible?? Was it in 'Oh God!' where George Burns said 'so help me me?' or something?

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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 12:46:32 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Daneane
Subject: Swear on the Bible? Apparently fobidden by JC:
Message:
Swear on the Bible? Apparently fobidden by JC:

Matthew 5:33-37

33 Again, ye have heard that it
hath been said by them of old
time, Thou shalt not forswear
thyself, but shalt perform unto the
Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say
unto you, Swear not at all;
neither by heaven; for it is God's
throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it
is his footstool: neither by
Jerusalem; for it is the city of the
great King.
36 Neither shalt thou
swear by thy head, because thou
canst not make one hair white or
black.
37 But let your
communication be, Yea, yea;
Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more
than these cometh of evil. '


Maybe the courts should read the bible first, instead of using it as a crutch to strike the fear of God into people?

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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 00:48:40 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: I cudda sworn I'd heard something like that B4(nt)
Message:
god
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 15:53:08 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Ged
Subject: Did you get my mail? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 17:08:51 (GMT)
From: Ged
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Did you get my mail?
Message:
yes I sent you the document , didn't you get it?
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 11:50:08 (GMT)
From: Premie Moles Needed
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: re: Pre-payment for Darshan Lite
Message:
Preface: We were all taught even prior to our indoctrination day that there are no coincidences in Maharaji's world. We were also introduced very early to the idea that just being in the same room or hall as the master was darshan(Darshan Lite).
------

While I denied this as being linked, I had noticed prior to my exit that Maharaji's money people would show up for a local meeting on M's work just prior to his appearance in that city. There was never any reference to pay up or M won't come here but I now wonder if it was a Coincidence.

With M about to be showing up in Toronto, Boston and Washington, D.C., I'm wondering if the money men are showing up prior to the arrival of M.

Is there anyone out there able to obtain such information?

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:57:55 (GMT)
From: Rated-X
Email: None
To: Premie Moles Needed
Subject: re: Pre-payment for Darshan Lite
Message:
You're absolutely right, the money men will do the rounds, not of just the city where he is going but the surrounding areas as well. Yurham Weiss (sp?) is coming to Montreal may 28 to coincide with the upcoming program in Toronto. Lots of fancy pep talk from him, always cute slides or is it a powerpoint computer presentation now. At the end he asks for more donations, of that you can be sure. Every time a guest speaker comes to a city it's for some fund raising. Your contributions should increase 30%-40%. That's what they say every time they visit. Try asking for a 30% raise at work every 6 months!
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 10:19:33 (GMT)
From: Premie Moles Needed
Email: None
To: Rated-X
Subject: Reports from Boston and D.C. still needed(nt)
Message:
aziz
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 21:11:09 (GMT)
From: aziz
Email: None
To: Premie Moles Needed
Subject: Rajaji and Yorum are coming to DC (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 09:06:52 (GMT)
From: Premie Moles Needed
Email: None
To: aziz
Subject: Funny, Aziz! Boston?..Come in Boston(nt)
Message:
flynn
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Date: Tues, May 30, 2000 at 17:23:13 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: Premie Moles Needed
Subject: Coming in, Boston
Message:
Just checking in. Will be at the airport outside of Boston with camera ready for pics of G4 and crew his his assholiness. Will call Howie Carr today to see if he'll do anything on air regarding cults, M's in particular. In the meantime, keep those cards and letters coming in to howiecarr@mindspring.com.
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 00:51:52 (GMT)
From: TOMATOES?
Email: None
To: aziz
Subject: Rajaji and Yorum are coming to DC (nt)
Message:
tomatoes????
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 16:26:20 (GMT)
From: Angry
Email: None
To: Premie Moles Needed
Subject: EV now deeper in SECRECY
Message:
Just went over to the ev.org site. Thought I'd make calls to the local cult lines. They use to provide the numbers. Now, they are hidden for the North American local cults only.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:45:22 (GMT)
From: The Field
Email: None
To: Premie Mole Probe
Subject: Donations = Direct Debit System
Message:
$ comes via regular and special edition automatic deposits from premie accounts into accounts belonging to regional hosting groups.

Very little actual donations going on at promotional evenings.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:29:44 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Premie Moles Needed
Subject: Lawyers firms are extremely costly! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 11:10:03 (GMT)
From: Scrooge
Email: None
To: U
Subject: baahhhhh humbug
Message:
would newton/figaro...claim copywrite in the fridgement
on einstein. for his different time adjustments...
maybe not...
as einstein laid it out...
a man...standing alone ...viewing a train moving..w/ a man on it.
see's the time @ a certain level...
whilst the man on moving train see's the 'other' man / stationary
@ a completly different time...
newton...32 feet per second times pie equals.......
einstein.....fussion...fission...
outward ex-plosion
inner ex-plosion........
Y don't U guys trash the slave// masters or prison system or
cigarette // fixers...or Jeannete Keno's security systems or bugs..or copywrite
infringements...
meaning....when entrusted
with said privledges
thou shalt knot be hummus... thou.. own branch..
CUT OFF THE BRANCH YEE SIT ON..AND YE CUTS OFF THE BALLS O' A ROSE
MKTG.RESEARCH SAMPLE//ASOP//BUT/HTTP.COM''HTMLDITTO//TUNNEL/
milenium space odyssy researce ipo/newbie..roger..ova n out
good nite sweet prince ...the jello is jinglin'
all for one and one for all....one earth...
go river raftin' roger
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 20:47:05 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Scrooge
Subject: Oh, Mr. Rapper you turn me on!
Message:
Me so horny
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 11:47:46 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Scrooge
Subject: Ahh, the wonders of childhood! (nt)
Message:
a
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:05:38 (GMT)
From: Elaine B.
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: Past topic to Hamzen (ot)
Message:
Hi Hamzen,
Was gone for awhile.
Went back and saw I'd missed a ques. from you - you wanted me to amplify something bec it was the way your 'ex' felt. I hope I got that right...back May 25.

I've decided it is just too hard to try to explain to people my experiences. I was talking to a dear friend about our talks on Grace and she just looked at me and said 'You know what a psychiatrist would say about your experience?' I said 'Yeah, that it was a psychotic episode.'

And that was to a friend in person where I was using my hands and eyes to communicate.
I mean I could get all poetic about my experiences but - you know - I'd suggest reading alot of high stuff,then praying to whomever for a great experience and then smoking some pot by yourself in a safe,undisturbed place and breathing and waiting with the hope of an exp.

But, if you're still interested ask me a direct question. I'll do my best and I'd love to answer you.
But with all the stuff happening with GMJ and lawyers I figured our topic would fall by the way side. It does happen to be my favorite.

It's like when you talk about negative or evil stuff - weird things happen...well,conversely,when you talk about Holy,Sacred stuff it makes you more susceptible. I love it.
I read ONLY inspiring stuff now - by whomever. Sylvia Browne is my lastest this month.

Your in the UK,no? Well, happy holiday weekend anyway.

Elaine B.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:18:38 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Elaine B.
Subject: Past topic to Hamzen (ot)
Message:
Dear Elaine,
Hi Elanine, hope you don't mind my comment but I want to say that I don't think your experiences were psychotic episodes. Not at all. I think that is ludicrus(sp) and an explination used by doctors that are to uptight to have ever experienced, or at least to ever acknowledge experiences they may have. I know MANY people who have some experiences like these, including myself and psychotic is not an explination for myself or any that I know we just flat out aren't! I may be a mess but I am not psychotic! This is another topic I can get fired up on, the whole medical profession.
I just hope you don't let that thought effect how you feel about having these wonderful experiences. To me they are the gifts in this life, they lift my spirits and help me hold up against the hard stuff. Even though we may see their source differently I think we both see them as wonderful.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 21:21:55 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Past topic to Hamzen (ot)
Message:
Hi Robyn,
Nope other people's opinions don't bother me much. Could you tell?:)
You're so sweet to show concern - I love it.

Having an experience others don't have
makes me think of the expert in Close Encounters - he wants so much to be taken by those aliens. Psychiatrists and their academic minds are silly to me.

If only they could have a 'cosmic' experience. Ever read Bucke's - 'Cosmic Consciousness' - I've given that book to so many people - I pick it up in the used stores all the time.

Gotta run,
Elaine B.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 09:47:55 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: READ THIS and bookmark that page
Message:
Ex-premies Links Page

No 'copyrights infringements' there !! See if the fu***ng Lard has some power on that one ...

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 15:06:48 (GMT)
From: toby
Email: toby4u@01019freenet.de
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: READ THIS and bookmark that page
Message:
do you know what has happened to Sir Dave's 'Truth about the Bastard Page' on geocities.com?
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:51:10 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: You are great!!!! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 11:11:02 (GMT)
From: Ralph
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: READ THIS and bookmark that page
Message:
That's good, Jean-Michel. The site The Truth about Maharaji now has a new and safe (redirection) URL which is

http://clix.to/maharajitruth

Even if the site is removed, once it goes online again somewhere and the redirection URL config is updated, the link will still work. So please change the link to the above for Rat free surfing. Thanks.

Ralph.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 09:42:24 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: back on line
Message:
I'm back on line. The proud owner of a pentium 75 once again. Hello to you all. Yes, I'm Keith of vayu aka vacol,etc.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 10:26:47 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Keith
Subject: back on line
Message:
Dear Keith,
Mirabi wrote to me on Tuesday and I just received it yesterday!!! I know I have missed her birthday so if you would tell her I am sorry about that I would appreciate it. :)
How the heck are you!? Where has your life taken you since you were here last?
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 22:47:55 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: back on line
Message:
Hello my dear Robyn,
I will indead pass on your birthday greetings to Mirabai. She has passed the computor on to me now. But I can always pass on messages to her.
What a year it has been. On so many fronts. So many levels.
In regards to Maharaji, I have completely rid myself of the premie conditioning , I feel. But still consider myself open to the more subtle and 'spiritual' dimensions of existence.
Living alone, having my own space has suited me so much. I never had my own space since my late teens. Always in a compromised relationship. Do you understand? It's as if I have begun a new phase of discovering myself. And I feel the same is true for Mirabai. We share the responsibility of rearing our son.
I have him a few days each week.
How are you? What significant changes have happened to you in this last year?
Anyway, now I'm back in cyber-circulation, we can chat again.
Bye for now, Keith
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 05:41:54 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Keith
Subject: back on line
Message:
Dear Keith,
'She has passed the computor on to me now.'
Yes and now she has a cd player. :)
I don't think you have ever emailed me and if you'd rather just write here that is fine but a lot has been happing, to much to write here and there is serious business going on here now too, don't want to clog the channels.
Funny but I have been living alone also, except for the animals, for the FIRST time in my life! I love it but am getting ready to crack out of my shell or I'm going to rot!

'But still consider myself open to the more subtle and spiritual' dimensions of existence.'
Well, of course! :)

Also Maribai sent me her address but I'd like to see it as it would be written line for line. All strung out like it was I don't know what goes on what line. It is different then addresses here. :)
If you'd like:
sundogs@hotmail.com

If not, no offense taken. :)
Love,
Robyn

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 06:27:57 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: back on line
Message:
Dear Robyn,
It would be a good idea to e-mail each other but I am needing to clean up my computor first. I am in the midst of changing from explorer to netscape. And I must decide whether to stay with Mirabai's server or go with another. I'll keep you informed.
Love, Keith
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 04:24:39 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Keith
Subject: back on line
Message:
Glad you are involved with the boy.
Keep interested in his interests.
But keep yourself somewhat private so he can have his imagination of you.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 06:31:18 (GMT)
From: Keith
Email: None
To: bb
Subject: back on line
Message:
Hi Bill,
Good advice. Keeping a balance between the needs of others and ones own needs for privacy can be such a challenge. At least for me. How are things?
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 05:55:56 (GMT)
From: bb
Email: None
To: Keith
Subject: back on line
Message:
Well, it's a beautiful life.
Stormy also.
I like to feel my breath but I object to the misperception of life which is the hall mark of the eastern guru theology.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 22:57:44 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Keith
Subject: back on line
Message:
Wotcher Keith,

Seems like yesterday (hmm, perhaps it was yesterday and my brain has slowed...)

Sorry to jump in here, but you just used the expression 'premie conditioning' which isn't something I would have imagined you saying last time you were here. Interesting. You used to say you were 'neither premie nor ex-premie'.

Where do you stand now? I think it might help if you stated it upfront, for your own sake - not least because of past hostilities that you ended up getting involved in. There are many here who still believe life has a spiritual dimension but consider 'Maharaji' a charlatan. But since 'Maharaji' is the focus of this forum, I for one would be interested in knowing where you stand.

Nigel
(Just had the kids the whole weekend. Been then man. Still there!)

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 08:03:18 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Exes ex-webmasters, please check these links
Message:
on my new page.

No copyrignts infringements, no defaming ... but you can still sue me if you like!

List of the shut down exes websites.

Roger's House Of Maharaji Drek , at http://www.oz.net/~drek/
The Great Worldwide Linkup , at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/8154/
The Truth about Maharaji , at http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Island/6049/
Not Maharaji Mixed Bag , at http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Chateau/7204/
Cult Watch Guru Maharaji , at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1710/

Anybody else complaining and whining?

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 18:49:19 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: hi JM good job - one thing I was gonna do
Message:
before you got it: (just an idea)
I'd like to see the sub-title under
I Object to Prempal Rarwat
I'd like to see Zelda's suggestion:
Former Boy God Asks Attorneys To Save Him

can't help it i just love it! :)

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 19:51:11 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: PS JM and Selene - Great Worldwide Linkup still on
Message:
Last time I checked, it was, anyway. Can't say what ANYONE would find to object to in this site - it is a GUESTBOOK!
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 22:48:51 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: What's its url? (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, May 29, 2000 at 15:12:08 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: You have it on your page!(nt)
Message:
tn
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 21:11:38 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: thanks Katie - JM can you fix this?
Message:
I don't have the original page. Working with someone from different time zones is funny!
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 21:59:56 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Time Zones
Message:
Selene, I'm guessing you and J-M have MAJOR time zone problems, unless you like to get up real early (NOT!) There are a couple of other errors that I saw, but nothing really important if this is just a draft version.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 23:10:06 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: apostrophes? cant even spell it! yeah. draft..
Message:
Then again, it's all kind of impermanent ...
That's why the email group is good. 'cept you are RIGHT! i DON'T
even get up early on work days, much less on 3 day weekends.
but it's all coming together.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 08:04:31 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: And I also, I need dates your sites got offline
Message:
Please post them here ....

JM

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 10:59:52 (GMT)
From: Sir David
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: My site had NO copyright infringements
Message:
My web site, Not Maharaji's Mixed Bag did not contain any copyright infringements. All it contained were links to ex-premie web sites and also a page talking about the children's charity, Save the Children. Evidently, Maharaji is more worried about links to ex-premie web sites than helping the disadvantaged children of the world. This shows up his character in sharp relief.

On the site, there was a picture of Maharaji sitting on a cart wearing a mala and Krishna crown. However, this picture was not infringing his copyright because it was a home snap taken by a spectator at the event and subsequently put online years later. It was not an Elan Vital photograph.

The fact that this site was taken off the web on 24th May 2000 is a scandal. It contained absolutely no Elan Vital copyright infringements.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 21:02:44 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Sir David
Subject: My site had NO copyright infringements
Message:
Go, Sir D., go!

You might have the clearest case of abuse of process and/or malicious prosecution or whatever the hell it is.

As a public figure his image can be taken by private citizens and displayed. What would happen to TV news, the press, and the Enquirer, and all that stuff if a public figure could halt the publication of photos taken by paparazzi (sp?) and/or private citizens?

Also, it is my understanding that copyrighted images of public figures used in parody ala doctoring is perfectly legal. At least in the U.S. it is.

If Maharaji doesn't want his picture shown then he should stop having his picture taken and he should stop giving them away via end of the year donation thank-you letters and he should stop selling them.

Hey, you want pictures and a parody image of Maharaji?

Agent Everglades' Free Pictures that probably belong to Divine Light Mission of India and some new ones, too.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 19:29:04 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Sir David
Subject: great!
Message:
Dear Sir Dave,

You are in a great position as you it will be easy to prove they had no legal grounds for what they did to you. I suspect they are going to owe you some bucks when it is all said and done.

Infuriating.

Susan

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 14:09:59 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Sir David
Subject: would you like a few letters to that effect ?
Message:
you can count on several people to produce letters for submittal. Are you interested in that?.
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:31:12 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Sir David
Subject: Then we'll sue EV and the rat ...... (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 13:14:41 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Sir David
Subject: Then Rawat's misrepresentation could cost him
Message:
Thought of applying for legal aid on this one, Dave?

'Any misrepresentation of material facts will subject the offending party to claims for damages and attorneys fees.'

And this could attract the interest of the press.

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Date: Sat, May 27, 2000 at 23:59:07 (GMT)
From: Sir David
Email: vpost3@hotmail.com
To: cq
Subject: The case of David v Elan Vital
Message:
Thank you for all of your above responses.

Well, I thought I'd retired from this business but I will take this one step at a time. First, I will email Geocities and ask them why they have taken my site down. If they did email me when they obliterated my site then they must have written to an old email address because I've not seen anything.

When they have told me why they've taken me off the net and supposing it is because Elan Vital have complained then I will set about making a complaint against Elan Vital. I'm not sure here of the best way to go. To whom shall I publicise my complaint (besides Elan Vital), that it might become noticed by the right people?

I perhaps should contact the British satirical mag, 'Private Eye' and tell them of my predicament. They seem eager to hear about anything to do with Maharaji. If I decide to do this then I may require a few paragraphs from the learned scholars here, to add to my own.

So watch this space.

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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 03:42:18 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Sir David
Subject: watching and copying for the record
Message:
Thanks Dave. Good to hear from you.
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Date: Sun, May 28, 2000 at 05:26:12 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Sir David
Subject: Sir David- Zelda thinking out loud
Message:
The first thing I would ask Goeocities is a copy of the communication from the Lawyers. If you ask nice they might send it to you.

You may have already posted what is happening so I may have missed it.

If you can get a copy, then ask Jim or Roger- but I would think you can ask them to detail the copyrighted material on your site.

If they cannot provide you with a list of offending matter- then Geccities should know.

If they do have alist for you then you can alter your (new) site.

This is me thinking it all through- so dont pay me no mind.

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