Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Thurs, Jul 06, 2000 at 22:00:23 (GMT)
From: Jun 25, 2000 To: Jul 04, 2000 Page: 3 Of: 5


Jim -:- Does she know herself? (from the ELK-files) -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 16:09:41 (GMT)
__ Ruphus -:- Does Jim know himself? (from the Forum) -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 06:29:41 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- I'll answer your q's IF u answer 1 first -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 14:53:19 (GMT)
__ __ Daneane -:- The interogation techniques?? -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:24:57 (GMT)
__ Daneane -:- Tell me about this pressure to propagate.(nt) -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 23:48:47 (GMT)

Jim -:- Grown Man Cries on Santa's Lap (ELK Newswire) -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 16:00:01 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Sounds like... -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:06:49 (GMT)
__ Hal -:- Grown Man Cries on Santa's Lap (ELK Newswire) -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:58:09 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- He did have a drink with me -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 14:57:03 (GMT)
__ JohnT -:- Nice dream - shame about the truth ... -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 08:22:22 (GMT)
__ cq -:- All he wants for Xmas is a mental enema ... (nt) -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 18:13:35 (GMT)

Tim Matheson -:- AH!!!! That Grace -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 11:07:07 (GMT)
__ Elaine -:- Exes should be very happy... -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 14:23:26 (GMT)
__ __ Jerry -:- Exes should be very happy... -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 19:01:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ Elaine -:- Well his site is real enough.... -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 20:59:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Elaine -:- And leads to some fun other links....NT -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 21:41:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Elaine, answered your post below... -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:52:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Got it,thanks --- ---NT -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 16:51:55 (GMT)
__ __ Tim Matheson -:- Thanks Elaine -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 15:36:12 (GMT)
__ Very, very, very -:- very, very funny Tim -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:07:21 (GMT)
__ __ Hal -:- fake posts -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 18:12:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ Ruphus -:- fake posts -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 08:22:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- fake posts -:- Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 19:53:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Hal -:- Same rules for all IMO nt -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:30:05 (GMT)
__ __ Tim Matheson -:- My journey back-By His Grace, of course -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:41:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ blood -:- hearing voices=schizophrenia -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:29:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jethro -:- My journey back-By His Grace, of course -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 13:35:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Tim Matheson -:- See 'MY STORY'in a thread below -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 13:49:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jethro -:- I saw it, but says nothing about -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 17:09:49 (GMT)
__ Tim Matheson -:- TECH help needed -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 11:12:29 (GMT)
__ __ John Wayne -:- Hey ! I reconnize you, -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 17:14:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ hal -:- Hey ! I reconnize you, -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 18:15:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- the must use it in state organizations! -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 23:03:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Tim Matheson -:- the must use it in state organizations! -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 05:44:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ John Wayne -:- the must use it in state organizations! -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 14:47:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- the must use it in state organizations! -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 18:59:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ John Wayne -:- the must use it in state organizations! -:- Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 11:17:25 (GMT)

Jim -:- Look what he's done to them (part ??) -- and to O -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 04:15:28 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Sex with wild birds -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:29:26 (GMT)
__ __ Robyn -:- Sex with wild birds -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 13:41:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- Sex with wild birds -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:10:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Sex with wild birds -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 14:47:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- Tell it to Leda, by Jove! (nt) -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 18:45:30 (GMT)
__ Jim asked: -:- 'Bring me just one person outside the cult, -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 10:52:01 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- No, not like that, coward -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 14:37:31 (GMT)
__ __ shp -:- 'Bring me just one person outside the cult, -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 13:17:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- But Sandy... -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:50:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ shp -:- But Anth... -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:10:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Mahatma Paedophile -:- Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 09:17:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ Tim Matheson -:- An invitation to shp -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 15:43:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ shp -:- beware geeks bearing gifts -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:16:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- It's called 'a challenge' you new-age puff ball! -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 14:44:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ shp -:- Reply to the old age puff ball (you know who u r) -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 21:00:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- yawn -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:06:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- stretch -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:02:13 (GMT)
__ How come... -:- ....you are so blunted Jim? -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 05:55:15 (GMT)
__ __ Hal -:- Give us a name or fuck off premie ji nt -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 13:01:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ Hal -:- sorry but go away just do'n't have the impact nt -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:04:04 (GMT)
__ Zelda -:- Absoutely Macabe that NT -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 04:29:13 (GMT)

Rob -:- Reply to O from down below -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 03:29:32 (GMT)
__ O -:- Part 1 -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:06:12 (GMT)
__ __ O -:- Part 2 -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:23:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ A.P. -:- Part 2 -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 12:54:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ O -:- Part 2 -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 22:24:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Mili -:- Part 2 -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:49:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Reading the web site -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 20:14:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ hal -:- A:P: what can I say- SUPERB!! Thanks. nt -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:12:38 (GMT)
__ __ Way -:- To O regarding Part 1 -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:20:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ Mili -:- To O regarding Part 1 -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 06:55:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- 'Judge him by the Knowledge' but why, Mili? -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 21:32:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re:'Judge him by the Knowledge' but why, Mili? -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 22:48:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ JohnT -:- ... and suffer the rotting vegetables! (nt) -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:59:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ Way -:- To O regarding Part 2 -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 23:03:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Mili -:- To O regarding Part 2 -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:19:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ O -:- To O regarding Part 2 -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 00:22:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Way -:- To O and Mili -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 14:43:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- Personality clash, no biggy -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:29:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Mili -:- Personality clash, no biggy -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 07:09:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- PS why don't you have a chat with Jim now? nt -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:34:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Why, you fucking jerk! O, you deserve the worst -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:25:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Mili -:- Why, you fucking jerk! O, you deserve the worst -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 07:04:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gErRy -:- In defence of Jim... -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 16:28:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ O -:- Why, you fucking jerk! O, you deserve the worst -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:35:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- A premie telling an ex to 'cool down' is like .... -:- Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 00:53:19 (GMT)
__ __ Rob (nt) -:- cq - why don't you talk to this guy, I'm over him. -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:18:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- Thanks for the offer, but he's not out of the pre -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 21:08:58 (GMT)
__ Jerry -:- Nicely stated, Rob -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 19:27:02 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- I've thought about that point too -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 21:22:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ Lotus Eater -:- I've thought about that point too -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:57:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ Way -:- Re:I've thought about that point too -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:08:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- God with physique??? - move over Charles Atlas! -:- Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 19:58:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Yeah, I'm with Way on this one -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:28:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- If claiming you're god is a crime ... -:- Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 19:59:20 (GMT)

Rob -:- FA - Is there a glitch? -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 03:27:36 (GMT)
__ Selene -:- try using a different privacy software -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 07:03:04 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- try using a different privacy software -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:28:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- more important than being a geek?????? -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:58:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Rob -:- more important than being a geek?????? -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:31:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- I answered you nt -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 02:54:40 (GMT)

larkin -:- some slight opera from Philbert O'Mulligan -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:35:10 (GMT)
__ cq -:- So give a sneer and that ain't all ... -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 18:56:53 (GMT)
__ __ larkin -:- Stay close to your cash... -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 20:25:00 (GMT)
__ __ JohnT -:- Zing! (nt) -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 20:02:10 (GMT)
__ Selene -:- the very model of the modern-mannered holy man -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 02:25:51 (GMT)
__ __ JohnT -:- Radswami goes Armani in this wellfed roly-poly man -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:43:55 (GMT)

slackandsteel -:- Strangers With Candy -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 20:46:19 (GMT)
__ Elaine -:- Strangers With Candy -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 21:03:40 (GMT)

Tim Matheson -:- For Lovers of Maharaji only -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 16:32:40 (GMT)
__ Know It All -:- Actually, Tim Matheson is.... -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 20:15:31 (GMT)
__ devotee -:- For Lovers of Maharaji only -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:51:30 (GMT)
__ Selene -:- well 'Tim' you have more time on your hands -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 21:20:26 (GMT)
__ Tim Matheson -:- My Story -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 20:16:03 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- Holy protestations! How's your prostate gland?(nt) -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 18:12:04 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- You should have joined them in bed Tim (nt) -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 09:10:58 (GMT)
__ hamzen -:- Jim, you're not fooling me for a second, but tres -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 18:06:21 (GMT)
__ __ Selene -:- very OfF ToPic to hamzen -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 18:33:26 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- Gotta run but no, that's not me -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 00:07:06 (GMT)
__ Elaine -:- This is a joke,right? -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 17:31:58 (GMT)
__ __ Tim Matheson -:- This is a joke,right?...NO -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 18:26:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ slackandsteel -:- This is Fabulous! (was This is no joke...) -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 20:37:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ Scott T. -:- This is a joke,right?...NO -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 18:36:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Nice one, Sir Dave - now own up! (nt) -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:41:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- On second thoughts, the Rev Hammond Smyth? -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 02:02:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Zelda -:- Selene -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 09:02:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- Zelda - could not see the moon last night -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 23:36:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Zelda -:- Selene-Curls! I am jealous nt -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 00:51:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- don't be. In the dryness they are awful yes OT -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:02:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ zelda -:- Ya gaaarooowwwsss! NT -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 02:51:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Zelda -:- 'Retro Knowledge'=good cash spinner! Congrats! NT -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 04:48:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- ugh!! well Girl Interuppted did turn out -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 06:02:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- On second thoughts, the Rev Hammond Smyth? -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 03:26:52 (GMT)
__ Alexis - A lover -:- For Lovers of Maharaji only -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 16:58:44 (GMT)
__ Douche -:- For Lovers of Maharaji only -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 16:52:38 (GMT)
__ __ Douche -:- For Lovers of Maharaji only -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 16:58:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ devotee -:- For Lovers of Maharaji only -:- Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:16:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Pretty good,SB -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:22:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ sb -:- Pretty good,SB: I know ;) LOVE nt -:- Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 07:48:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ Tim Matheson -:- Yes, this is for real -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 17:03:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Eddie -:- Yes, this is for real -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 17:14:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Scott T. -:- Yes, this is for real -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 18:32:45 (GMT)
__ Jethro -:- Have you advertised this on .......... -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 16:46:48 (GMT)
__ Otto Preminger -:- Are you Tim Matheson the actor? nt -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 16:46:46 (GMT)
__ __ Tim Matheson -:- Are you Tim Matheson the actor? nt-no -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 17:12:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ Eddie -:- Oops! -:- Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 17:17:11 (GMT)


Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 16:09:41 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Does she know herself? (from the ELK-files)
Message:
Ivete Belfort Mattos:

'Does he know you?'

From Sao Paolo, Brazil

I am always inviting friends to see a video. Now, I have several friends that want to receive Knowledge.

They do have their doubts, but these always seem to be answered with a new video.

However, there is one question that it is hard to answer. 'Does he know you?' my friends ask.

The answer to this question is actually in my heart. Socially, he does not know me and that does not feel important. But in the affairs of my true heart, he does know and understand me and this feels very important.

He is always teaching me something new, that I did not know before. He has given me insights that I never imagined were possible. He gave me the precious gift of Knowledge and this helps me every day. He is a source of inspiration, happiness and fulfillment because of this. And this is much, much more than some social introduction.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 06:29:41 (GMT)
From: Ruphus
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Does Jim know himself? (from the Forum)
Message:
Jim as a poem critics:
Quote:
'I really do want to crash this woman's party, wipe that goddamned Alice the Goon smile off her face (remember? 'I love Popeye! I love Popeye!'). This is a disgrace to humanity. So why should I care? Shit, maybe I shouldn't. So goddam this fucking internet that's brought these Movementarians into my life again.'

Tell us if you think of yourself as are sane or insane? Or just an asshole?

Tell us why you read ELK? Are you longing?

Tell us why you write such garbage?

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 14:53:19 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Ruphus
Subject: I'll answer your q's IF u answer 1 first
Message:
First things first, Ruphus:

Have you ever posted here before?

Under what name?

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:24:57 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Ruphus
Subject: The interogation techniques??
Message:
Ruphus said:

'Tell us if you think of yourself as are sane or insane? Or
just an asshole?

Tell us why you read ELK? Are you longing?

Tell us why you write such garbage?'

Well I certainly feel encouraged to share my warm and fuzzy, deep, meaningful, reflective, spiritual side.

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 23:48:47 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Tell me about this pressure to propagate.(nt)
Message:
be fruitless and mummify
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 16:00:01 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Grown Man Cries on Santa's Lap (ELK Newswire)
Message:
'What made it so wonderful?'

After the Alexandria event, I sent my daughter an email telling her how much I enjoyed it. She replied with the question: 'What made it so wonderful?' I liked what came out when I responded, so I decided to share it here:

Good question. What made it so wonderful? My first reaction was to change the question to 'Who made it so wonderful', but then I realized that even though Maharaji, just hanging out with us, being himself, and saying the things he says, that alone isn't what made it so wonderful.

I could have been sitting there grinding my teeth, unable to open up to what he was saying. What made it so wonderful all happened inside of me. Somehow by a magic I can't begin to comprehend, my heart started to burst open with love and gratitude. I was laughing and crying all at once, and when we practiced, afterwards I felt so still and so deep, more tranquil than I've ever felt before. Somehow he has a way of making things so clear and simple and easy. When I'm able to really
listen, really feel what he is saying, something inside just explodes with happiness. I know it must sound a little weird, but it wasn't. It was just so natural, just sitting there listening to someone who seems so kind, so gentle, so wise, so loving. All my life I wished I had a really good teacher, someone who could really help me.

With Maharaji, my wish came true.

Nick Ridout
Neptune, NJ, USA

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:06:49 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Sounds like...
Message:
...poor old Nick had a nervous breakdown. I suppose it beats getting screwed by a swan.

Anth the nervously broke ornithologist.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:58:09 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Grown Man Cries on Santa's Lap (ELK Newswire)
Message:
That line , ' just being himself, hanging out with us and saying the things he says' reminded me of a premie who recently said something similar about being with Raja Ji. The premie said ' ....it was so beautiful being with RJ. He was so much himself, you know. We just sat with him whilst he smoked a cigar and had a drink. he was so natural and just the same as us. It was just so incredible.......' WOWEE ain't that amazing , like the LORD's very own brother could behave like a normal human being and have a drink out on a pavement cafe with some premies! Astounding that this kind of 'stuff' is still prevalent among many premies. This occured at a fund raising meeting for those very special premies who contribute a considerable amount of money to the 'cause'. It's not surprising that RJ sat with those elite guys and had a tipple is it? Would you find him sitting around with the ordinary 'Joe Blow ' premie and having a drink? No fuckin' way Jose!
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 14:57:03 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: He did have a drink with me
Message:
But, to be honest, no cigar.

Mind you, I was a curiosity. Bet he regrets our little meeting, huh? The one thing I wish Rob had been legit about when he was posting as a premie was his 'close association' with Raja Ji. I really was looking forward to talking to him again. If anyone can get me his number, email or anything of the sort, I'd appreciate it.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 08:22:22 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Nice dream - shame about the truth ...
Message:
... of the cult of spiritual onanism
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 18:13:35 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: All he wants for Xmas is a mental enema ... (nt)
Message:
All he wants for Xmas is a mental enema ... (nt)
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 11:07:07 (GMT)
From: Tim Matheson
Email: None
To: Premies ONLY
Subject: AH!!!! That Grace
Message:
Haven't even had my club up for one day and I already have 2 new members. I want to make my club the most open, honest PRO-MAHARAJI site on the internet.

Come on you Lovers of Truth, join my club-together we can shake the world, follow His agya and spread this Knowledge--let's blow this popcorn stand and sing HIS praises...I beg you ...join me

http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ilovemaharaji

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 14:23:26 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: Exes should be very happy...
Message:
to get rid of the premies here. But,Tim,asking the exes to come back to the Lotus Feet ain't gonna happen.You may not have lurked long enough to know that.

Sir Dave posts every once in awhile with a link installed - that would be a great thing for premies that find there way here every once in awhile. I would imagine the exes would welcome that to steer premies over.

Glad you found a mission,Tim. :)

Elaine

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 19:01:07 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Exes should be very happy...
Message:
Sir Dave posts every once in awhile with a link installed...

Er, I'm not sure, but I'm willing to lay a few dollars down that Tim IS Sir Dave. I could be wrong, but I've got 2 dollars that says I'm not. Any takers?

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 20:59:24 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Well his site is real enough....
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 21:41:20 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: And leads to some fun other links....NT
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:52:43 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Elaine, answered your post below...
Message:
...even though it will shortly go inactive, I didn't want to start a new thread on this topic, and you'll see why!
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 16:51:55 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Got it,thanks --- ---NT
Message:
NT
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 15:36:12 (GMT)
From: Tim Matheson
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Thanks Elaine
Message:
By His Grace
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:07:21 (GMT)
From: Very, very, very
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: very, very funny Tim
Message:
May be premies should start to make fake posts.
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 18:12:02 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Very, very, very
Subject: fake posts
Message:
You know to me it seems that premies posts usually have something fake about them. Yours certainly do. It's really inconsiderate and unaware of you to continually post without giving a pseudonym or your real name. What are you afraid of ?
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 08:22:55 (GMT)
From: Ruphus
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: fake posts
Message:
So Hal, you think ex-premies fake posting and having more than one alias is Ok, but that when premies write, that in itself is a fake?
BTW the person in question might have his reasons to keep his identity unknown.
And why is Pauline Premie or Tim Matheson allowed to post with multiple or fake alias, when these posts just are inteded to deceive people? And why do not FA delete fake posts made by a fake maharaji, or fake members of his family?
At least it seems like the premies approach has some honesty and that they at least do not try to deceive anybody. Is being fake just the nature of ex-premies?
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Date: Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 19:53:47 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Ruphus
Subject: fake posts
Message:
So Hal, you think ex-premies fake posting and having more than one alias is Ok, but that when premies write, that in itself is a fake?

There is a big difference between the extra alias usage you find among exes than among premies. Second ex-premie aliases such as Pauline Premie, Larkin, Douche, Reverend Smythe, Minnesota Housewife etc., are well-defined characters whose real identies (mostly including full name) are well-known here, or are at least available with a minimum of detective work.

Premies like yourself who constantly adopt extra names to hide behind whilst attacking forum members who DO give their real names, just look pretty pathetic (IMO). Their use of the alias is usually to cause confusion and disruption.

I don't see premies like Mel Bourne ever being edited or deleted, for the simple reason they are willing to abide by at least the spirit of the guidelines. Premies who do get deleted or blocked seem to be going out of their way to get into trouble in order to make some kind of 'point'.

BTW the person in question might have his reasons to keep his identity unknown.

So what is your reason, 'Ruphus'?

And how many other aliases have you used in the past?

And why not just stick to the one alias? - You'd be no less anonymous, and people might respect you that little bit more...

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:30:05 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Ruphus
Subject: Same rules for all IMO nt
Message:
Eq
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:41:34 (GMT)
From: Tim Matheson
Email: None
To: Very, very, very
Subject: My journey back-By His Grace, of course
Message:
I keep getting the feeling that I'm not being taken seriously. So let me tell you how this came about, ok?

About 1 year ago, I was awoken(from my drunken slumber)by HIS Voice. HE said to accept where I'm at, don't be hard on myself and for now just devote myself to helping HIM to spread this precious, precious Knowledge on the internet. I didn't know how to do this untuil yesterday when I discovered Yahoo clubs. I had prayed and prayed, begged and begged for HIS guidance.

I had never believed in inner agya before but now I do. I assure you sir/maam that there is nothing funny about my efforts...although HIS lila and Divine jokes just crack me up.

You should consider coming back to HIS FEETS..the Grace is there for you if you just do it.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:29:50 (GMT)
From: blood
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: hearing voices=schizophrenia
Message:
Be careful following voices you hear after nights of drunken stupors or at anytime for that matter. The stuff that emerges from the depths of the subconscious can play tricks upon even the most sober. Particualarly be aware that guilt is a part of the programming into the cult and that accessing this layer of guilt is lubricated by attempting to emerge from too much to drink.

Any psychologist or psychiatrist will describe this phenomenon to you from the text books.

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 13:35:00 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: My journey back-By His Grace, of course
Message:
If what you say is true then post up your personal details here. That will give you more integrity with everyone here.
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 13:49:15 (GMT)
From: Tim Matheson
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: See 'MY STORY'in a thread below
Message:
asdf
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 17:09:49 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: I saw it, but says nothing about
Message:
who you are.
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 11:12:29 (GMT)
From: Tim Matheson
Email: None
To: Lovers of HIS LOTUS FEETS
Subject: TECH help needed
Message:
I need help in getting my club listed on the search engines as a PRO-Maharaji site. Any suggestions??

Thank you, LORD...you're grace is just toooooo much. Please, I beg you never let me leave your HOLY LOTUS FEETS again!

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 17:14:35 (GMT)
From: John Wayne
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: Hey ! I reconnize you,
Message:
you're Eddy Murphy aren't you ?
Go on, you're so funny !
Ouaaaarf
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 18:15:03 (GMT)
From: hal
Email: None
To: John Wayne
Subject: Hey ! I reconnize you,
Message:
Hey John,

I'm not happy with that toilet paper they named after you. It was rough , tough and didn't take no shit from nobody!

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 23:03:40 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: hal and Tim
Subject: the must use it in state organizations!
Message:
and Tim, *they* will find you! You will never be unnoticed. I just have a feeling about this. Your message is too strong. The world needs to hear it - never forget! When the student is
ready, the teacher will appear.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 05:44:19 (GMT)
From: Tim Matheson
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: the must use it in state organizations!
Message:
By George, she's got it!...Thank you, I was beginning to wonder if my message was not clear enough!
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 14:47:16 (GMT)
From: John Wayne
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: the must use it in state organizations!
Message:
I think i made a mystake. Is your site ironical ? If it's the case, excuse me. The fact is i have very few english vocabulary, so maybe i have not tout compris (understand).
Better i shut up, no ? ok
sorry for disturbing you, i'll be back soon, but first i go back to school to speak a good franglais.
So ironical or not ? just say yes or no (because i'm sure to understand this 2 words) yes yes really
vive la différence
:)
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 18:59:14 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: John Wayne
Subject: the must use it in state organizations!
Message:
Bonjour Monsieur Wayne,

Je pense que vous n'aurez aucune chance. L'acteur n'admettra pas qu'il joue un rôle. Pour puis il n'y aurait aucun jeu! Mais, je pense que vous constaterez que c'est ironie. Beaucoup de gens semblent connaître ' Tim ' dans la vraie vie ainsi elles savent
également que c'est une plaisanterie. Je ne pense pas qu'elles vous diront cependant!

Babelfish!

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Date: Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 11:17:25 (GMT)
From: John Wayne
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: the must use it in state organizations!
Message:
Thank you John T, maintenant je peux dormir tranquille.

a bientôt, maybe on the Forum fr

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 04:15:28 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Look what he's done to them (part ??) -- and to O
Message:
This isn't funny anymore. Read this shit from ELK. I really do want to crash this woman's party, wipe that goddamned Alice the Goon smile off her face (remember? 'I love Popeye! I love Popeye!'). This is a disgrace to humanity. So why should I care? Shit, maybe I shouldn't. So goddam this fucking internet that's brought these Movementarians into my life again.

And O? I offer you the same challenge I've extended all your fellow cult members, the one not a single one's dared taking me up on. You say we're the ones who sound unclear? Bring me just one person outside the cult, preferably one of your kids if you have any, and let them decide who sounds fucked up. Asshole.


A gift given

One day I went down by the river to walk and look for the heron. He is so beautiful to watch and be with. I love it when he flies, huge wings gliding across the water.
To my great surprise, there was a beautiful white swan there! Never before have I seen a swan by the river. I just started to cry, because I knew that my swan, hans, had come to me inside also. And there inside, as outside, was nothing I could do but enjoy it! I couldn't control it or manipulate it or even know if it would be there again tomorrow, if I would even be alive tomorrow. How delicate. But the feeling inside is such a gift, a gift given, that will one day fly away, that how can I not just be simple, grateful and enjoy being with it, feeling, embracing and cherishing.

Janice Wilson
Baldwinsville, NY, USA


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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:29:26 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Sex with wild birds
Message:
What a gem.

The title alone is classic.

Then she got me curious. How come a heron is so beautiful to be with? What kind of relationship does she have with this bird that stands on one leg in the mud all day?

Then the plot thickens. Along comes a swan that makes her cry. I know this is a family forum and all, but I wasn't sure if the swan raped, or if she consented.

Janice gives a whole new slant on ornithology.

Anth the Carrion Crow

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 13:41:51 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Sex with wild birds
Message:
Dear Anth,
Hey, I'm a bird! It should read, wild sex with birds! :)
Love,
Robyn the Robin
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:10:03 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Sex with wild birds
Message:
I love you!! You are so cute...

A big hug,

S

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 14:47:05 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Sex with wild birds
Message:
Dear SB,
Love you too! Thanks for the hug, needed it today.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 18:45:30 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Robyn, Anth et al
Subject: Tell it to Leda, by Jove! (nt)
Message:
Tell it to Leda, by Jove! (nt)
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 10:52:01 (GMT)
From: Jim asked:
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: 'Bring me just one person outside the cult,
Message:
preferably one of your kids if you have any, and let them decide who sounds fucked up.'

I did, my kid said 'Jim is definitely fucked up.'

Such a message was deleted twice.

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 14:37:31 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jim asked:
Subject: No, not like that, coward
Message:
Hey, faceless cult member, my idea was slightly different. Bring your kid here, let them identify themself as such (i.e. a premie's kid) and let us all talk a bit. No way in the world they'd be on side with you. Not unless they'd been kicked into the cult themselves. Never. And if your kid won't do, how about your work mates, even your boss? Guy next door? Your parents? Brother?

The very fact that Maharaji can't meet his critics says it all. The cult's entirely, absolutely indefensible. Only its members can't face that fact. Although, to be more accurate, many of them do. Like me and him and her and him and him and her and her ....

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 13:17:30 (GMT)
From: shp
Email: None
To: Jim asked:
Subject: 'Bring me just one person outside the cult,
Message:
Here are some of the the clues to Jim's M.O., having nothing to do with Maharaji, but rather with a need Jim has:

1) BRING ME...
2) ANSWER ME...
3) PROVE TO ME...
4) COW-TOW TO ME...
5) ETC ETC ETC TO ME...

Jim speaks consistently in the imperative, commanding format of grammer ALOT. The minute you buy into that, he is driving and you are the passenger. And if you don't, you are obviously obfuscating. I don't trust his driving. Jim is hooked on the POWER of controlling others. He probably picked it up at work, but he probably also was hell-on-wheels as a kid, too. Betcha.

He is also going through some sort of mid-life thing, as he constantly wants us to bring us his children and satisfy himself that his position is consistent with the younger generation's.
And that would be some sort of 'proof' to him of something.

Jim said 'Bring me just one person outside the cult'.
Let's break it down.
First, as I pointed out, Jim has a penchant for speaking in the imperative commanding grammer. This reveals much.
Second, he says to bring him someone 'outside the cult', so if you play his game, you have admitted that it's a cult, capice?

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:50:08 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: shp
Subject: But Sandy...
Message:
...it is a cult, whichever way you hack it.

Anth the speaking from experience

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:10:47 (GMT)
From: shp
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: But Anth...
Message:
Words like 'cult' are catch-all words for many groups, and those groups change over time. Today's cult is tomorrow's status quo in many cases. Such a word can be used to to try to destroy a group because of the word's negative connotations - by those against that group.

I prefer to talk about individual circumstances and individual problems and solutions, without slapping a label on the whole thing. What's up with the Jagdeo matter?

The word 'culture' also comes from the same root.

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Date: Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 09:17:29 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: shp
Subject: Mahatma Paedophile
Message:
Hi Sandy,

The Jagdeo matter is still fermenting quietly away, and I believe that the police are no longer the only people in the UK looking into the affair.

It's a time bomb quietly ticking away beneath the cult- collection of individuals or whatever.

I'm astonished they haven't handed him over yet. The longer they keep him tucked away, and refuse to acknowledge his crimes, the bigger the mess will be when they eventually have to deal with it.

Hope all is well with you and yours.

Anth the uncultured

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 15:43:07 (GMT)
From: Tim Matheson
Email: None
To: shp
Subject: An invitation to shp
Message:
You seem to have your head screwed on straight. Join our club http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ilovemaharaji

We can sing HIS praises there without being bugged. HE told me to invite you so please join.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:16:36 (GMT)
From: shp
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: beware geeks bearing gifts
Message:
Dear Tim,

Something about you doesn't ring true. Either you are a wacked out ex-premie goofing bigtime, or a wacked out premie complete with your private inside line to M. Either way, not interested.
Thanks anyway for asking.

No time for this.

shp

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 14:44:25 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: shp
Subject: It's called 'a challenge' you new-age puff ball!
Message:
Shp,

You can say whatever you want about me, the fact remains, none of you cult members have been able to do this. You all pretend, quite pathetically, that the world somehow endorses your opinions as reasonable. Why not? You're all such reasonable people. It's us former followers who've cut ourselves off from reality. But no one but premies (and a couple of very weird religious nuts who troll the net like ghosts) have ever taken what you guys say seriously. I mean, that's obvious, Shp. And it's clearly obvious in your case too, by the way.

So whatever, eh? You guys cheat in all your discourse and the last thing you'd ever want is an outside referee to shame you accordingly.

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 21:00:11 (GMT)
From: shp
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Reply to the old age puff ball (you know who u r)
Message:
JH said:
You can say whatever you want about me,

shp says:
I don't need your approval, permission or acknowledgement about what I can do with my freedom of speech. You intro stinks of bloated self-importance. The fact that you do not address any of the content of what I said about you is a compliment, because it's always harder to look at the truth about yourself instead of hacking away at everybody else, isn't it Jim?

You come near me, be ready to have the spotlight flipped 180 degrees on you as well.

JH:
the fact remains, none of you cult members have been able to do this.

shp:
I do not belong to a cult. As for being 'able' to deal with you,
I'd say it's more a question of willingness.

jh:
You all pretend, quite pathetically, that the world somehow
endorses your opinions as reasonable. Why not? You're all such reasonable people.

shp:
As for the 'you all', I cannot speak for anyone else, but as for me, what the freaking hell are you talking about? 'The world somehow endorses my opinions as reasonable'...? I don't seek the endorsement of 'the world', whatever that is.

jh:
It's us former followers who've cut ourselves off from reality.

shp:
Oh, I get it. You mean the opposite. How subtle and clever!

jh:
But no one but premies (and a couple of very weird religious nuts who troll the net like ghosts) have ever taken what you guys say seriously.

shp:
So it's a popularity contest by you and if the 'cool'(?) people aren't involved, it must be bogus. Tsk, tsk, tsk, a man of your age so into peer group pressure...how embarrassing it must be for you to be mentally incontinent.

jh:
I mean, that's obvious, Shp. And it's clearly obvious in your case too, by the way.

shp:
I tot I taw a puddy tat. I DID!!! I DID SEE A PUDDY TAT!!!

jh:
So whatever, eh? You guys cheat in all your discourse and the last thing you'd ever want is an outside referee to shame you accordingly.

shp:
It's the 'inside referee' you need to get in touch with, so the garbage that comes out of you doesn't get past your own lips and you shame yourself accordingly. I don't really care about how you relate to Maharaji, but why don't you try joining the human race as far as getting on here?

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:06:28 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: shp
Subject: yawn
Message:
You're a stupid clown, shp. Impossible to talk to in all your newage clown make-up. You DID say you wouldn't stick around if you weren't welcome. Obviously, you didn't mean it. Too bad.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:02:13 (GMT)
From: shp
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: stretch
Message:
jh said:
You're a stupid clown, shp. Impossible to talk to in all your newage clown make-up. You DID say you wouldn't stick around if you weren't welcome. Obviously, you didn't mean it. Too bad.

shp says:
I have to get a hobby. Just having enough time and inclination to reply to YOU tells me I have too much time on my hands. I am sooo damn tempted to trade insults with you, but that would be too easy and would bring me down to your level.

So the two buttons you have chosen to sit on for the duration are the 'clown' and the 'welcome' buttons. I hope you have thick pants on, or else you're going to have impressions of those words backwards on yer ass by the time you realize it's a waste of time. And you better be careful you don't take any group showers at any dyslexic gay clown conventions for awhile.

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 05:55:15 (GMT)
From: How come...
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: ....you are so blunted Jim?
Message:
What happened?
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 13:01:47 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: How come...
Subject: Give us a name or fuck off premie ji nt
Message:
upyours
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:04:04 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: sorry but go away just do'n't have the impact nt
Message:
a
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 04:29:13 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Absoutely Macabe that NT
Message:
Nt
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 03:29:32 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: O
Subject: Reply to O from down below
Message:
[There seems to have been some glitch when I posted it below, so here it is again]


Obviously there are many issues discussed here, and it would be encouraging to see you put in your own 5 cents worth in other threads dealing with different topics, as opposed to just having a go at the posters themselves.

I always write here in my own 'voice', it's my base style, as opposed to a variety of styles I have to use at work. If it comes across as 'ex-premie-ish', well I can't help that, it's how I write when I'm trying to achieve clarity.

My main personal beef with mr. rawat is that 25 years ago he led me to believe he was an incarnation of God, at a time when I was fervently searching for such a being. Maybe it was my age, maybe it was the era, maybe it was all the spiritual books I had been reading, who knows. The point is I was wide open to it and fell right in.

These days there is barely a mention of that 'aspect' of him. Now he is a 'teacher', a 'master' etc. The old movies with him in his Krisna outfit, on stages of flowers, with lines of people parading past kissing his feet in reverance are nowhere to be seen. History is being reinvented before our eyes and it stinks, frankly.

A close second is the whole farce of the ashrams. Young single premies were openly pressured into moving into these institutions. It was an attempt at imposing Hindu cultural mores on impressionable western youth and it went diabolically wrong.
People, including myself, gave up their worldly possessions, bank accounts, career paths and more to move into overcrowded houses and subject themselves to an unnatural lifestyle of celebacy, poverty and obediance. We did it because we thought we were serving the Living Lord of this Era and were supporting some Divine Plan for the planet. When they became burdensome, financially unstable and no longer suited Mr. Rawat's purpose, we were summarily thrown out. Ill prepared and without the background job skills and financial background normally enjoyed by people in their mid-twenties, many of us went through severe dificulties for many years afterwards. The closest we ever have come to an explanation and an apology was a post here recently by Michael Dettmers.

Lastly, for the time being at least, is the question of 'who's techniques are they anyway?' A major part of the 'hook' was the belief that the four techniques of knowledge were unique, and obtainable solely through him, the Living Lord. This we know now is an outrageous lie! They are yoga techniques widely used in India for centuries, and you can research this yourself if you follow the links given by Jean-Michel in a reply to me north of here. Here was 'the Knowledge of all Knowledges', and if that weren't enough, we were repeatedly told that even they wouldn't work without his 'grace', in other words without total acquiescence and obediance. Plainly put, this was all bogus information. He could have bundled any set of meditation techniques together and achieved the same results. Now look at it...this 'Knowledge which cannot be obtained from books' is available on CD-ROM! Whatever happened to the Divine Touch as the initiator put his finger on your forehead? It's been replaced with a mouse-click!

Well O, this is quite long-winded, but you did ask and I have tried to express it all in my own way. There are many other issues - his wealth, alleged child abuse by his instructors, possibly bogus lineage claims etc etc, most of which can be found by researching this and other websites.

Rob

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:06:12 (GMT)
From: O
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Part 1
Message:
You say you were brainwashed.I want to find out from you how you were brainwashed.Brainwashing techniques usually call for forced subjection using deprivation to weaken the victim with constant reenforcement of a set of beliefs.You probably think of nightly satsang as the brainwashing sesions.OK let's see.
Nobody forced you to attend,it was totally of your free choice so no forced subjection criteria.Was sleep,food,deprevation used?A big NO.Yes sometimes at programs you stayed up all night to get the stage done but that was usually an energizing experience and again was totally based on free choice.Yes there were all day long sessions at programs,again totally free choice,and there were the odd Sunday afternoon followed by a pot luck but what was it we subjected ourselves to?Well,it was Suzie talking about her kids,it was Billy talking about his dreams,it was Mary talking about her job.It was people talking about their good times,their bad times,their hopes their aspirations AND YES THEIR BELIEFS.
I don't know about you but when the bullshit flew I just got up left until the person airing their ideas sat down,and afterwards we'd talk about how boring and excruciating it was to listen to that guy.But remember Rob the reason we subjected ourselves to this was because something most of the time felt really, really good.While you guys are in the habit of revising history,please do not forget that.It satified something that was indisputable at the time,something that a memory doesn't do any justice to.
And remember,these people 'doing the brainwashing' were sincere nobody's like you and me with the odd initiator breezing through.Don't know about you Rob but I never bought Suzie's belief in flying saucers,reincarnation,or that she saw Maharaji at the back of the satsang hall.Did you?What belifs did you eat?That Bhole Ji was the incarnation of music?If you bought these beliefs your fellow premies were sharing then you deserve to wear the label of having been brainwashed.But my friend you did it to yourself because Suzie wasn't trying to brainwash you and neither was I.
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:23:33 (GMT)
From: O
Email: None
To: O
Subject: Part 2
Message:
Rob
Now that I've challenged the idea of a brainwashing campaign what about the question of your belief he was God.Again a little honesty would have worked miracles Rob.Did you know that to be true?He did certainly sing the praises of the Master and his relationship to God.But if you recall he constantly pleaded with us to check our concepts about it at the door.So what do you do with two seemingly opposite ideas?You don't eat it that's for sure but you don't reject it.You try and find out for yourself.Where do you think the line 'Who is Guru Maharaji' came from.Rememeber 'It's the question you must ask,The answer you must know'.Unfortunately a bunch of high profile premies jumped to a conclusion early on based on no real experience and it set the pattern.It was stifling and sickening for him too.It was something I believed myself for a time then I got smart and realized I didn't know.And it turned out it wasn't important to the experience of K so I suspended my opinion on the matter.Maybe he is and maybe he is not.Besides he gave me enough through the years to make that question meaningless.If he is, 'far out'.You folks are in a tizzy because you say he lied.I say he tried to direct attention to where it was meant to be,inside.Besides he always sounded to me like he left the door open.
Now to the question of ashrams.It was a joy for me to have the opportunity to live there and it was a joy for me to leave.I had a great time with interesting people doing exciting things.It was a choice I made freely and have no regrets what so ever.Some people thought they'd arrived and would be able to escape from 'the cruel world' and from themselves,all the while thinkingh themself a realized soul.You must remember people like that Rob.Hell maybe you were one of them.So for him NOT to close them down would have been cruel.Dettmers aluded to mistakes having been made there in the way they were closed.Hey,cut him some slack and get over it!That's all I want to say about that.
Regarding who's techniques are they.Murky stuff Rob.It's like trying to piece together what color eyes a dinosaur had.All I can say is it was passed down through a lineage to Maharaji.And as is typical in these matters there is always a dispute over who is the true one to take over so the murkiness should be no surprise to anyone.Look at the state of Islam.The question for me is what is the criteria for the true Master.I've said it before and I'll say it again,the true master is someone who can guide me to know myself in a way where all my questions are answered.That Maharaji has done,and he has done so using these disputed techniques.It is totally a subjective conclusion and therefore luckily not within the realm of human politics to determine.IE it can't be touched by the 'unclean' hand of man.On the other hand for an impressionable premie like yourself to hear there are others making claims to the same lineage,it can stir up doubts.He always said the only thing you'd have to go on is your experience.What,did you miss that brainwashing session Rob?
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 12:54:13 (GMT)
From: A.P.
Email: None
To: O
Subject: Part 2
Message:
I think the fact that M asked you to check your concepts at the door, and you still chose to believe all he has to say after, seeing all of the information shown on this website (or havn't you looked at the information here?) and you still choose to be a premie, says an awful lot about you?

Did you miss out on love as a child? Did you come from some kind of bad family situation? Was M/ashram the place you went to find a replacement for that family?

You can't possibly believe that M has anything to do with your experience while meditating. Believe me, you could have achieved the same result without him.

Why does he feel premies owe him something? (service) Because he taught them how to meditate?

On the brainwashing issue. I think the fact that you lived in an ashram and gave up sexual contact at his suggestion, (yes I know it was your choice) you gave up the money you made, (no wonder M has so many possesions, Do you have your own plane?)and you agreed to live as a servant to him. Obviously you were brainwashed. He even got you to kiss his feet.

You see while the big M was stripping you of your possesions and your self esteem, and your sense of individuality, he was also molding your brain to do what he wanted it to do. He wanted to make sure you were going to stick around a long time, and look you did. So do you still donate money to Maharaji's organization? How about your time?

I find it interesting that you think M gave you anything. What exactly did he give you? The techniques to meditate? (there are hundreds of techniques, you should try some sometime) Thats pretty funny because, after conversations with many premies about meditation, most of them think they suck at it. Why would they think that, isn't meditation obviously going to be a bit different for everyone? What the hell does M have to do with how well they meditate? Perhaps he did not give them enough satsang? Or maybe they did not do enough service at the last program? (better make a better attempt next time you get the opportunity to do service) So they seek him out more and more. Premies don't need Maharaji to have great inner experiences, in fact they are missing out by thinking that the only way they can go inside is by doing it the Maharaji way. Complete Horse Shit.

I think your comment 'The true master is someone who can guide me to know myself in a way where all my questions are answered'

How cool would it be if you could actually be your own master, make you own decisions about meditation techniques, donate money to a worthy cause perhaps instead of giving it to the scam artist to fund his g4 airplane etc.. How about donating your time/do service at a children's cancer hospital or maybe an old age home. You would be amazed how good it makes you feel. Well I will end here by saying this. Of course you chose your own path, of course you have made the choices you made that got you here. But you did it all with the aid of a Master. Nobody can forget their past or regret it, but we all can learn from it. You should take a good hard look at the MAN you are calling MASTER!

A.P.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 22:24:42 (GMT)
From: O
Email: None
To: A.P.
Subject: Part 2
Message:
You said:>>>I think the fact that M asked you to check your concepts at the door, and you still chose to believe all he has to say after, seeing all of the information shown on this website (or havn't you looked at the information here?) and you still choose to be a premie, says an awful lot about you?
Me>>>Yes, and what it says about me depends on who's doing the looking.Seems your perception of M is based on the scandelous contents of this website whereas mine includes a history of positive experiences.
The way I see it,what you are defining as information is a thing comprised of two factors,IE facts,and conclusions.Fact is M closed the ashram.Conclusion is he is a calous individual.Fact is Jagdeo has been accused of pedophelia and an instructor was informed.Conclusion is M looked the other way.
Conclusions are drawn from the facts by individuals with their own set of beliefs values,fears, etc.They are NOT facts themselves unles they are proven.They are substitutes for the facts.I draw conclusions every day based on facts.Some are right and some are wrong.The content of this website are a jumbled mix of facts and conclusions that are definitely open to interpretation.
One more thing,I don't believ all he has to say .I think I run whatever anyone says to me by my own common sense meter.It just so happens based on my perspective,most of what he says makes sense.Again that is based on my own beliefs,values,fears,and one more thing,my experience.

You said>>>On the brainwashing issue. I think the fact that you lived in an ashram and gave up sexual contact at his suggestion, (yes I know it was your choice) you gave up the money you made, (no wonder M has so many possesions, Do you have your own plane?)and you agreed to live as a servant to him. Obviously you were brainwashed.
Me>>>That is just downright ridiculous to say.I joined a discipline because I believed in it.There are many disciplines in this world,some spiritual,some for other reasons,that require elements of abstinence and sacrifice.Martial arts,sports,military,monastic orders,there are many.To say anyone who chooses a discipline requiring sacrifice is brainwashed,is just , what can I say,dumb.

You said>>>You see while the big M was stripping you of your possesions and your self esteem, and your sense of individuality, he was also molding your brain to do what he wanted it to do.
Me>>>I don't think anyone who knows me would ever say I have been stripped of self esteem and individuality?You arent projecting your own insecurities onto me are you?

You said:.>>>Premies don't need Maharaji to have great inner experiences, in fact they are missing out by thinking that the only way they can go inside is by doing it the Maharaji way. Complete Horse Shit.
Me>>>You are entitled to your opinion.However you don't know what kind of experience other premies are having,this is not a group thing.There is wide latitude for the term 'going inside' so we have no common reference points with which to say one has acheived it one way over another.For the record I disagree with you.

You said>>>How cool would it be if you could actually be your own master……
Me>>> How would that work?You going to do ask a question to yourself then get up and cross the room turn around and answer it?Hmmm,sounds a little like being a hermaphrodite to me.

You said>>>You should take a good hard look at the MAN you are calling MASTER!
Me>>>I do and I have for many years and I reached a different conclusion than you.You say he's a scam,that's your conclusion and certainly not mine.But let me ask you a retorical question,if there was a scam that the victims benefited from would it still be a scam?

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:49:21 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: A.P.
Subject: Part 2
Message:
'the information shown on this website ' ???

Gimme a break.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 20:14:24 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: Reading the web site
Message:
Mili,
Have you even read the web site lately? (Journeys, Breaking Free, DLM History, DLM/EV Papers, etc.) I am not talking about the forum, and I don't think A.P. was either.

It does seems like a lot of people read the forum and skip the web site.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 13:12:38 (GMT)
From: hal
Email: None
To: A.P.
Subject: A:P: what can I say- SUPERB!! Thanks. nt
Message:
sdf
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:20:23 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: O
Subject: To O regarding Part 1
Message:
O,

You have completely bypassed Rob's first point, about Rawat being an incarnation of God. The point wasn't about brainwashing, or satsang, or Billy's dreams, or Mary's job, or UFOs, or about Bhole Ji being an incarnation of music. It was about Prem Pal Singh Rawat being an incarnation of God. We were led to believe in this myth by the teachings of Shri Hans and Mr. Rawat. Please see my two quotes just below in this thread. There are many more quotes where those came from.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 06:55:26 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Way
Subject: To O regarding Part 1
Message:
And you have completely bypassed O's point that Maharaji himself was saying not to take him upon his word alone, but to judge him by the Knowledge. Meditate upon the Knowledge, and if it gives you peace - follow through. If not, walk.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 21:32:58 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: 'Judge him by the Knowledge' but why, Mili?
Message:
'Judge him by the Knowledge' you say. But why, Mili?

That means that if you like the K, then you'll have bought into liking him too?

See how easily a con-artist worms his way into your affections?

(and how convenient the carte-blanche for M to get away with ANYTHING, when you've pre-judged him on the basis of the dope he's giving away)

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 22:48:40 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Re:'Judge him by the Knowledge' but why, Mili?
Message:
Yes, cq, and this could very well be the most essential point for premies and ex-premies to scrutinize.

Does Mr. Rawat really deserve any of the credit for the good experiences of satsang, meditation, and the group gatherings? Or are these experiences inherent and natural, and totally independent of Mr. Rawat?

A recent poster at ELK, a man who attended the Alexandria program, wrote that he cried and laughed with joy in Rawat's presence, but now he was back at work and was afraid that he would lose that precious feeling.

Poor man! To be convinced that he must follow Mr. Rawat to stay in touch with the best part of himself! What a thief is this guru! What a con-artist, to use your word.

Premies - please examine this point above all others! Does Mr. Rawat deserve the credit that you give him? Must you rely on him for your heart's desire? Does your experience have anything to do with him? Or could you be ignoring the true source of your love? What if reality is greater than Maharaji's world? What if the creator is not confined to Mr. Rawat's cult? If you really, really find your true self, who will you thank?

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:59:23 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: ... and suffer the rotting vegetables! (nt)
Message:
... looks like you've got some reading to do!
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 23:03:52 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: To O regarding Part 2
Message:
O,

About the teachings that Mr. Rawat is the Satguru, the living incarnation of God, if you would like me to further refresh your memory with more direct quotes from Shri Hans and Mr. Rawat, I will do so. The claims to divinity are absolutely not the responsibility of any misguided premies or instructors. No way, man. You are dead wrong on this one.

About the ashram, you miss the point entirely again. The point is not whether you personally had a good time while you were there, or if you liked the people, etc. The point is that we were told this: 'The living Satguru is here. You must dedicate body, mind, speech, and all actions to the Satguru in humble service and total surrender. You must be celibate and give all your love to the living Satguru, join his ashram, and give all your money. In this way only will you achieve the eternal happiness that is the goal of human existence. You were there O, you know it wasn't just our fellow ashram buddies who told us these things.

About the four techniques and their history. Again you dance around the real objection. Of course the history is murky, like all history. The objection is that we were told a lie, and aspirants coming today are still being told this lie, namely that Rawat has a unique Knowledge to give people, and that 'without the Master, the Knowledge is nothing.' This quote is from a 1999 video that aspirants are still being shown. Why is the tongue, for instance, put in the back of the throat. It's called Kecheri Mudra, it's an ancient yoga technique which has a specific purpose, one that is entirely independent of Mr. Rawat and his cult, but which Mr. Rawat falsely represents as his own.

Your answers to Rob are purposely evasive and you obviously have no intention of doing anything other than spin-doctoring, as Rob said earlier, and that's why he has apparently given up this debate with you, in his post just below.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 09:19:11 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Way
Subject: To O regarding Part 2
Message:
You must be celibate and give all your love to the living Satguru, join his ashram, and give all your money. In this way only will you achieve the eternal happiness that is the goal of human existence.

Wrong. That's just your twist to the story, Way. Talk about spin-doctoring!

The way it works is, you can do all those things and NOT achieve eternal happiness. But if you do just one thing (that you conveniently 'forgot' to mention), and that is - practice the Knowledge, you CAN get in touch with that happiness. That's the most important point.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 00:22:35 (GMT)
From: O
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: To O regarding Part 2
Message:
Way
My answers were in no way purposly evasive.I don't have any other agenda but to express my truth,and I really have tried to answer respectful question in a sincere and honest way.
Look I agreed that Maharaji talked about the Master in divine terms.I am not denying that at all..Regarding premies jumping to conclusions I made the point that we were supposed to find out 'Who is Guru Maharaji'.That IMHO is not something someone tells someone else but it is something you discover through knowing the divine within.I don't think the premies who jumped to conclusions had reached that point in 1973,as a matter of fact I'm sure of it.I still can't say for sure today but if you asked me at certain times in my life as a premie I would surely have said yes.So I remain open to understanding more his relationship with Knowledge,which definitely connects you to the Divine.
I also said in one of my posts that at one point he directed us away from jumping on a 'he is God' bandwagon(something most of you exers did) and toward having an inner experience.This was when he publically downplayed the God factor.I think he saw that many people copped out of meditating because they had 'found God'.I know for me it forced me to have a real inne r experience.But as I said and recent quotes can atest to it,he left the door open as to who he is ,so IMO he did not renege on his earlier statements.It is still and I think always will be a question you must continue to ask if you care to know.Of course if you've lost all faith in him don't bother.
Way you seem a little out of touch so let me clarify it for you.Maharaji does offer a way to connect to an inner experience.That he has always said and that he says today.He offers four techniques.Yeah so their used by a multitude of other so-called masters,so what?The thing is he also says he has a unique ability to guide a person through the use of those techniques to the place he describes.I can atest that he can definitely do that.Whether it is unique or not I cannot say but based on other things I've tried it is unique.
Way,you reacted to my last post like a dog that's been hit too many times so please if you are seeing me being shifty or dishonest point it out instead of just recoiling.Because I am sincerely trying not to be.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 14:43:47 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: O
Subject: To O and Mili
Message:
O and Mili,

I am responding to both of you because I do see a real similarity in the approach to Knowledge that you two express here. I am not recoiling from what you have to say, and I do understand that you are speaking sincerely and consistently from your own point of view.

The main difference between current premies and ex-premies is a very basic difference of point of view: you premies accept the premise that Mr. Rawat has some responsibility in your own connection to your own inner higher self, (or whatever terminology you use). You judge Maharaji by what you experience yourself and accept that 'his' Knowledge and guidance is what produces that experience. Ex-premies reject this premise. I understand that Mr. Rawat has nothing whatsoever to do with my connection to my own soul. I will never ever know what sort of connection to the divine Mr. Rawat might enjoy, no matter how strong my own connection becomes. My connection is between me and God, period.

Mr. Rawat once truly believed that the guru is necessary to get people in touch with the divine within. And he clearly believed that the guru's Knowledge is the only thing that can bring people together, united in true peace. That's what he was taught and he said both of these things many times since he took over the guru status from his father. But both these beliefs are false. God's grace does not express itself indirectly through a human guru channel. Nor can any human guru bring people together in peace. The problem of who that human guru really might be will always bring discord, even among that guru's own students. It always happens, it is bound to happen, it is happening here. Every guru will develop a very limited-appeal cult around himself.

I understand clearly that what I enjoyed in my many years of the practice of satsang, service and meditation is no different in any way from what I now enjoy in my practice of meditation and the other activities of my life. I still pursue that beautiful feel of Holy Name, and it comes to me whenever I seek it, and many times when I'm not seeking it. It is mine. It is mine more than all the other things that are briefly mine. Because it is my own true self. It was mine before Mr. Rawat was born. It is not dependent upon the four techniques, living in the ashram, seeing Mr. Rawat's videos, or being in his presence in some hotel meeting room. Thank God that it does not depend on those things, because Mr. Rawat is far from me. He doesn't know me. He doesn't know Ivete. And the One who knows me inside is not him, as Ivete tries to tell her friends in Brazil.

We do need the true Knowledge. We do need to unite in peace. But we do not need the guru, because he will never give us these things, they are not his to give.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:29:25 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: O
Subject: Personality clash, no biggy
Message:
Hey O, I had to go calm down a bit there bud, I've had an intense year and you know, I felt like you were just having a go.

We can agree to disagree, I'm cool with that. If what you wrote here was really your experience and you are a happy clear premie, then good for you, enjoy.

I do think you are glossing over the issues just a tad, but hey, like I said, if that's how you want to see things, who am I eh? Yeah I know, arrogant bastard, but that's the way the good Lord made me;)

You have a nice day now.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 07:09:10 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Rob
Subject: Personality clash, no biggy
Message:
Glossing over the issues? No, Rob. I think O was just trying to clearly state things as they actually were, without the negative spin you and Way were trying to give them.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:34:21 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: O
Subject: PS why don't you have a chat with Jim now? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:25:50 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: O
Subject: Why, you fucking jerk! O, you deserve the worst
Message:
Way,you reacted to my last post like a dog that's been hit too many times so please if you are seeing me being shifty or dishonest point it out instead of just recoiling.Because I am sincerely trying not to be.

So I get back home and catch up on the page. I read the first couple of posts in this thread including Way's two posts. Both Rob and Way have done a faultless, impeccable job of laying out the simple facts and history. 'How clear', I thought. 'Who could ever find any excuse to reject this argument?' Then I read your garbage, O. And then I read your ridiculous closing remarks excerpted above.

You're a real asshole, O. You're stuck in this bizarre cargo cult and you deserve every moment of it. To think that you'd suggest that Way was anything but fair in his posts is outrageous. I hate you guys. You might have been bright, little flowers earlier in life but you've turned into briny scum by now. Truth means nothing to you and that's a very ugly thing to encounter.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 07:04:48 (GMT)
From: Mili
Email: mili@cheerful.com
To: Jim
Subject: Why, you fucking jerk! O, you deserve the worst
Message:
And what have you become, Jim?

A bitter, twisted, disgusting abomination of a man. Always blaming someone else for your own decisions. Grow up.

I never could understand how you can defend criminals in court, giving your best shot to convince juries that they're innocent and knowing at the same time that they're guilty as hell. You do it for the money, don't you?

As always, insults and swearing in frustration are the best arguments you can come up with.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 16:28:15 (GMT)
From: gErRy
Email: None
To: Mili
Subject: In defence of Jim...
Message:
Actually Mili, Jim is a fun fellow to hang out with, hate to have to tell ya, Mili. His band is cool and his lady friend is awesome.

The lawyer thing is getting a little tired, btw. Haven't you heard of the advocacy system of justice? You know, where everyone gets an attorney, regardless of guilt or innocence?

I'm not sure Jim makes a whole lot of money, but I hope so. If only to piss you off.

And swearing is fun, expressive, and colourful, you fucking goddam sonfabitchin bastard.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:35:02 (GMT)
From: O
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Why, you fucking jerk! O, you deserve the worst
Message:
Jim your assessment of what's fair on this topic is suspect.As for rejecting either's points,I offered what you obviously think is an opposing point of view.That in case you hadn't heard is what debate is all about.Like I said in my post I answered as fairly as I could.If that's not good enough for you,well that's your problem.And from where I'm sitting you got a real problem.
Try to stay cool Jim.
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Date: Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 00:53:19 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: O
Subject: A premie telling an ex to 'cool down' is like ....
Message:
a stripped screw telling an angry mechanic to 'cool down'. Mechanics, like anyone, expect things to work properly. Life's full of disappointments and one of them is seeing wonderfully designed things -- like screws -- turn out to be useless. The human brain is a wonderful 'like-designed' thing that's supposed to work up to certain specs. Certain minimal specs. Neither I nor any ex nor any person, really, when you come right down to it, can help the fact that we expect people to function with real intelligence. So is it really that surprising that we lose it from time to time talking to these creeps? Not in my opinion. Indeed, it'll be a sad day when we casually accept their nonsense which, thankfully, continues to offend our sensibilities.

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:18:14 (GMT)
From: Rob (nt)
Email: None
To: O
Subject: cq - why don't you talk to this guy, I'm over him.
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 21:08:58 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Rob (nt)
Subject: Thanks for the offer, but he's not out of the pre
Message:
Thanks for the invite, but he's not out of the preaching phase yet.

Let him get his message off his chest, then if/when he's (or is he a she?) ready for a bit of two-way dialogue - we'll see.

(I'll print out his posts, and give them a read over the next few days, see where s/he's coming from)

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 19:27:02 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Nicely stated, Rob
Message:
I was talking to a premie this morning about the 'good old days'. 'Remember', I said, 'when Maharaji was the greatest incarnation of God to ever walk the planet? Remember? What happenned to that?' He didn't have much to say about it, except that all Maharaji is today is a meditation teacher and, of course, it was all the premies doing that he was ever treated as anything else. You know what I think? I think in order to be a premie, you've got to be real good, REAL good, at being a bold-faced liar to yourself and everybody else.

Company of truth, my ass.

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 21:22:31 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: I've thought about that point too
Message:
You know Jerry, I have considered that very point many times. Did we as premies project our concepts onto him?

The fact is, it was most likely a bit of both. Certainly when I became involved the way he was treated and revered by premies was unquestionably based on the belief that he was the Son of God reincarnated. Who actually started that and when I can't say personally, others can I'm sure, but for me when I got on board the ball was already rolling.

I likened it to this: suppose you board a train and a guy comes along asking for the fare. Well, if he's wearing the uniform of a railroad official, has the right patter and everbody else is giving him their money, are you naiive to think he is a bona fide official? No, of course not. Then if later it transpires that he was a crook, could you fairly be accused of projecting your concept of a railroad official onto him? Again, no, he was a conman, a good one, and you got suckered.

Well this is the same thing on a grander scale. He fit the profile perfectly. A child savant from India arrives in post-60's London, surrounded by blissed-out worshipers and much commotion and talk of second comings. It was a case of 'if you are spiritually aware, you will recognise him'. For Mr. Rawat, it was simply a matter of keeping up appearances, of allowing people to glorify him and treat him as a deity. The odd phrase like 'guru maharaj ji has come with more power than ever before' and 'guru is greater than god' didn't hurt to build up the image either.

Perhaps it was partly our own fault in that we created a being most of us were sincerely seeking, but I believe culpability lies fairly and squarely on Rawat's shoulders for not only permitting it, but openly basking in it.

Let's face it, the average person would surely have just a twinge of guilt if 10,000 people gathered to sing songs about 'the Lord of the Universe' to them, eyes glazed over and arms waving high in unison. Wouldn't you say something? Follow that with those same people filing past to touch and kiss your feet, offer gifts of money, flowers etc, ask you to blow in their ear [what was that??] and sometimes swoon at the very sight of you. If you saw that people had such a major misconception about you, don't you think the onus would be on you to dispel those concepts? Yes it was all our fault, hmmmm.

If just one premie can come here and say, 'yes, that is how it was and I wish maharaji would explain it properly', I would think there is hope!


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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:57:02 (GMT)
From: Lotus Eater
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: I've thought about that point too
Message:
First of all, I wasn't thinking about finding the living lord, he is the one who told me he was, as well as the premies.

It really annoys me when I think about how he went on and on about how we could't drop these hindi concepts, at the same time as conducting a concerted campaign through events and videos about the nature of devotion, hindi style. That stupid story about the woman who decorated the path to her hut every day waiting for Ram, picking him berries and tasting them for sweetness, how she stands up to the ridicule of everyone else and then he comes and eats them. This, he says, is the potential of service. Oh, and let's twist the knife a bit: Of course, you realise, it is her that derives the benefit, not Ram.

When you believe in the squeaky hamster, it makes you feel a bit stupid for holding onto concepts and a beggar in your relationship with him. When you don't it's a bit of a giggle, until you remember you sat there and sat there and sat there, and other people are still sitting there!LE PS for some reason it seems really funny now, even while assessing the price I paid for sitting there!

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:08:20 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Re:I've thought about that point too
Message:
Who originated the claims about Mr. Rawat being the Incarnation of God? Who perpetrated those claims? These questions are quite easily answered. There is no mystery at all. The answer is: Shri Hans and Prem Pal Singh Rawat.

Shri Hans, at Prem Nagar ashram, June 1961, excerpts:

'God is both with form and without form. Divine Light, which is self-dependently existent in all beings is God without physique, whereas the Satguru of the time is God with physique. It must be clearly understood that only He who can bestow God-vision instantaneously within oneself is the Satguru of the time, and no-one else. In reality, he is God incarnate. He is existent as Divine Light in all beings, and realization of this creates absolute confidence in Satguru, without whose kindness and help it is never realized. It should therefore be the first endeavor of a human being to find the Satguru so that in the end this goal of human life can be achieved.

Prem Pal Singh Rawat, early 70's, excerpts:

'Guru Maharaji is the one who gives the True Name of God. No one else has this power. There is a small, dim curtain between ourselves and our Father. It is a very slim curtain and this curtain can only be raised by that person who is authorized to raise it. And that authorized person is one. This curtain can be raised by a Perfect Master, by a master who is perfect. It is the supreme Knowledge. It is top sacred! And it dwells within all of us, within every human being, but we are unable to know it without the help of a True Master.' -Prem Pal Singh Rawat

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Date: Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 19:58:07 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: God with physique??? - move over Charles Atlas!
Message:
God with physique??? - move over Charles Atlas!

Ol' slab butt Fatguru is here!

(BTW, whose 'Holy Family' did Rawatty belong to?

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:28:55 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Yeah, I'm with Way on this one
Message:
We believed he was god on his direct claims first and foremost. This was NOT a circumstantial case, even a strong one. This was direct evidence. If claiming you're god is a crime, Maharaji gets convicted by his own admissions.
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Date: Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 19:59:20 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: If claiming you're god is a crime ...
Message:
If claiming you're god is a crime ...

... tell it to ol' JC!

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 03:27:36 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: FA
Subject: FA - Is there a glitch?
Message:
For about the third time now, posts I have made come up blank, even after appearing in the 'edit' mode. Now I copy them into notepad as insurance before I post them, especially the long-winded ones. Just wondered if you were aware of the problem.

ps it seems they do turn up later on usually! Strange!

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 07:03:04 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: try using a different privacy software
Message:
Just a suggestion. I've been told some of them block the
edit boxes, treat them as graphics.
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:28:11 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: try using a different privacy software
Message:
Well the message gets thru eventually. Can't get my head around all that geek stuff, but then there are more important things I'm trying to understand, if you know what I mean...
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:58:44 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: more important than being a geek??????
Message:
HA! Do I ever understand. I'm looking for a new career.
Maybe my new research project will turn into something :) :)
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:31:12 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: more important than being a geek??????
Message:
You know what I meant, and FYI yes it did hurt and still does.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 02:54:40 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: I answered you nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:35:10 (GMT)
From: larkin
Email: larkin@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Everyone
Subject: some slight opera from Philbert O'Mulligan
Message:
No mystic nor ascetic, I, no pious, poor or lowly man
Radswami goes Armani in this well-fed, roly-poly man
And if my minions should default, I've millions to console me, man
I am the very model of the modern-mannered holy man...

As phoney as a pharaoh, let me don my silly hat fer you
More garlanded than Judy I will bare my belly fat fer you
Behold my tacky trinket stall piled high with new age tat fer you
I am the very model of a modern perfect satguru...

Much as I dig your gratitude I think I'd rather have the car
I used to like a Lear jet but the Gulfstream gets me twice as far
Attendants stand at every door to shine my waning charismar
I am one less-than-altruistic, atavistic avatar...

Ex-travellers may vilify in ridicule and parody
Yea - watch me stomp those websites out of all who would disparage me
This hamster's wheel keeps rolling while there's Ivette to encourage me
I am one very modern, money-minded mistra maragee...

So one more marble mansion please, with space to build a car lot in
A yacht wot's got the whole damn lot (a place to please a harlot in?)
And should donations start to wane I'll rope them in and snarl at 'em
I am the very model of a modern champagne charlatan...

They think that I'm omnipotent - ha-ha! - if only that were true
I wouldn't need these fawning gumps who skunk the halls of Malibu
Who want to buss my lotus ass (I really must do that for you?!!)
So wearisome the burden of the would-be modern satguru...

For piety, sobriety - they ain't not wot they used to be
A humble Himalyan cave quite frankly is no use to me
Just recognise I'm realised, just give it time - you too could be
I am the very model of a lifestyle you will surely see....

The scriptures say: 'just seek ye first...' the rest will surely come to you
Stop whingeing and complaining 'bout the the wicked things I've done to you
I always said 'Just walk away, if Knowledge ain't no fun for you...'
I never warned of rotting veg nor held a loaded gun to you.
(er.. did I???)

No mystic nor ascetic, I, no pious, poor or lowly man
Radswami goes Armani in this well-fed, roly-poly man
And if my minions should default, I've millions to console me, man
I am the very model of the modern-mannered holy man...


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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 18:56:53 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: larkin
Subject: So give a sneer and that ain't all ...
Message:
So give a sneer and that ain't all
for the fat-arsed guru of Elan Vital:


... who never played the big, big G ...

What never?

No never.

What never?

Well ... hardly ever ....

Hardly ever played the big, big G ...


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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 20:25:00 (GMT)
From: larkin
Email: larkin@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: cq
Subject: Stay close to your cash...
Message:
...and say you'll set 'em free,

And you could be the ruler of a cult like me!

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 20:02:10 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Zing! (nt)
Message:
So their defence is the impossibility of bad faith - inauthenticity. No wonder they're frightened of Randroids.
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 02:25:51 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: larkin
Subject: the very model of the modern-mannered holy man
Message:
As are his weirdos.
good one as always larkin it's great to see you here!
Thanks. I needed that.
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 12:43:55 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: larkin
Subject: Radswami goes Armani in this wellfed roly-poly man
Message:
Excellent! Magic! More!
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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 20:46:19 (GMT)
From: slackandsteel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Strangers With Candy
Message:
Anyone else a fan of the Comedy Channel's show 'Strangers with Candy'? It's a show about a woman who dropped out of high school, got into drugs and prostitution and all kinds of decadent lifestyle choices, and then re-enters high school in her late 40s with the teenage students who completely reject her. It's pretty twisted.

The last two shows have been about how Jerri (the main character) gets involved with a cult (and becomes 'Sycamore'). The gist of it is that her personality is so abrasive that the cult leader conspires to get her into the hands of the deprogrammers.

Jerri (played by Amy Sedaris) has a face that must be seen to be believed...

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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 21:03:40 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: slackandsteel
Subject: Strangers With Candy
Message:
Sounds great - like a John Waters movie -thanks.
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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 16:32:40 (GMT)
From: Tim Matheson
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: For Lovers of Maharaji only
Message:
Join my club- http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ilovemaharaji

We will be much better off having our own open discussion about Maharaji than trying to deal with this lot. They really are rotting vegetables. Let's go where we can have an open and honest conversation about how HE has changed our lives.

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 20:15:31 (GMT)
From: Know It All
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Actually, Tim Matheson is....
Message:
Rob. And in their recent off line emails, Rob has convinced Joey to return to premiedom as the head of Amtext. Rob, meanwhile, has been assigned to oversee the development of Amaroo, and to taste test all of Maharaji's dirty bath water before it is sent out to premies for their drinking pleasure.

Congratulations on your new jobs, lads!

Know It All

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:51:30 (GMT)
From: devotee
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: For Lovers of Maharaji only
Message:
Hi Tim!!

Thanks for inviting us to sing Arti: I can't wait. The energy will be there, the magic will be there, our Lord Maharaji will be there too, with his presence. Is time to get loud and help him spread 'HIS' knowledge. Is sll about devotion! So what that others don't understabd that we love to kiss our Lord's feet. He is God incarnated, he is magic, he is everything, because not a leaf moves without his will, so I take it, you coming here with your invitation is really 'HIM' talking to me, offering to show my devotion...Yes, I was always a little desobidiente: Let's do it! When is Arti?

How many darshans-kissing GMJ's feet) have you had? Did you kiss Maharaji's feet in Australia, when was it? Not long a go...Well, share some more about you. Thanks!! All is about devotion, service and meditation, all the rest is an illussion. I would live without electricity but not without Maharaji; he is the Living Lord. Boleishri Satgurudev Maharash kieveshet, how was it? I have been discconnected too!..

JSCA

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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 21:20:26 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: well 'Tim' you have more time on your hands
Message:
than I even imagined!
yikes!!
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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 20:16:03 (GMT)
From: Tim Matheson
Email: None
To: The Premies
Subject: My Story
Message:
In 1972, Mahatma Ji gave me this precious knowledge. I practiced it and lived a life of complete bliss until a terrible day in 1979 when I came home and found my wife in bed with two huge women. I freaked and blamed our Lord for this. Twenty years of drugs and alcohol followed. Then, one day I searched for MY LORD on the internet. I sent HIM an email but HE hasn't had a chance to get back to me yet. Then, I found www.ex-premie.org. Those are horrible people there but at least I found a few devoted premies there. I hope they join my club. I hope many followers of THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE do.

All I want to do is Service, Satsang and Meditation. I live on the HOLY NAME and the DIVINE NECTAR. I may have spaced out for a long time but HIS message is the same.

OH Lord, I bow down and prosterate at your HOLY LOTUS FEET. Please forgive me and take me back. Please send your premies to my club so I may enjoy that HOLY COMPANY again.

Forgive me!!

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 18:12:04 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: Holy protestations! How's your prostate gland?(nt)
Message:
Holy protestations! How's your prostate gland?(nt)
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 09:10:58 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: You should have joined them in bed Tim (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 18:06:21 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: Jim, you're not fooling me for a second, but tres
Message:
amusant (sp?).

And what will he do now, we know premies, we know what they'll say, it's all too amusing for words!

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 18:33:26 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: very OfF ToPic to hamzen
Message:
Finally went out on Amazon and did some reasearch on Bridgette Jones. thanks for the comparison to my writing. you inspired me.
Love,
S
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 00:07:06 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: Gotta run but no, that's not me
Message:
Swear to God. Honest. Check the ISP if'n you don
't believe me.
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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 17:31:58 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: This is a joke,right?
Message:
So, I typed in what you said and 0 found came up.

This is a joke -and I fell for it,right?
If this is for real -can you put a link?

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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 18:26:30 (GMT)
From: Tim Matheson
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: This is a joke,right?...NO
Message:
JOIN MY CLUB

it can be all our club..if you really love OUR LORD

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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 20:37:21 (GMT)
From: slackandsteel
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: This is Fabulous! (was This is no joke...)
Message:
This is hysterical!

Whoever did this has a GREAT sense of humor.

I think we ought to join the club and get into the spirit (we are one in the spirit, we are one in the Lord). A retro Guru Maharaji movement with all the Indian trappings, refusing to buy into the new improved 'Maharaji' and insisting on foot kissing and full praniming instead.

I love the line he has in his intro 'Let's get together in a chat room and sing Arti'. Priceless. Also, the bio is a side-splitter.

Way to go Tim!

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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 18:36:47 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: This is a joke,right?...NO
Message:
I don't. In fact, I like Howdy Doody a lot better. That's 'Mr.' Doody, to you.
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 01:41:17 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Scott T.
Subject: Nice one, Sir Dave - now own up! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 02:02:53 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Nigel
Subject: On second thoughts, the Rev Hammond Smyth?
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 09:02:25 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Selene
Message:
dont you start!
I was refering to the Tim site being 'retro' knowledge as compared to knowledge lite.

Posts must be out of sequence
(where the hell is the moon)

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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 23:36:34 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: Zelda - could not see the moon last night
Message:
And that was why I was so happy and silly! It rained. This is like having a gift show up unexpected in the mail or something.
My hair is curly!
Sorry about being irreverent about your post. It was funny.
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 00:51:49 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Selene-Curls! I am jealous nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:02:09 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: don't be. In the dryness they are awful yes OT
Message:
But when it finally gets humid they do look kinda cool.
For while it'll last. But don't ever ever envy curls.
no. Except for this time of year I spend up to 35 min. a day blowdrying my hair straight.
But hey this isn't really off topic. M did have nice hair when he didn't put the greasy kid stuff in it. yuck! remember that?
eeiiiwwwww!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 02:51:06 (GMT)
From: zelda
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Ya gaaarooowwwsss! NT
Message:
NT
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 04:48:37 (GMT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Tim
Subject: 'Retro Knowledge'=good cash spinner! Congrats! NT
Message:
NT
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 06:02:01 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: ugh!! well Girl Interuppted did turn out
Message:
to be good(???). but way heavy. eessh. I cried for the first time
in ages. do NOT know if I would reccommend it though I would watch it again.
guess that's good right? hey it makes about
as much sense as YOUR post so...
AND IT's RAINING IN THE DESERT
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 03:26:52 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: didn'tgettoseemyvideo
To: Nigel
Subject: On second thoughts, the Rev Hammond Smyth?
Message:
Rented 'Girl Interupted' thought I might like it. But NO...
anyway.. so I am in a mood.
Nigel I am losing my mind but my theories have run even more amok. I think we BOTH are correct. Or all three of us.
or four of us?
I need a new hobby. hey writing on the internet! yeah that'll
take care of it.
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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 16:58:44 (GMT)
From: Alexis - A lover
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: For Lovers of Maharaji only
Message:
Just took a look at your website.

It was just incedible to see you talking about kissing his holy feet, it's just been sooooo long since anyone has said anything about that. I am sure the Lord will send you lots of grace and I will join your club in a few days when I get back to my own computer.

jaisatchitanand dear Tim, you are really doing some real service, you should email Maharaji so he can see your website, maybe he'll even give a little satsang. Wow, that would put the net into satganga(the river of truth).

Just keep focusing on that love, that experience...that's all that matters.

Love from Alexis

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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 16:52:38 (GMT)
From: Douche
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: For Lovers of Maharaji only
Message:
This is a club for those interested in the Holy and Sacred Knowledge of Guru Maharaj Ji. He now prefers to be known as Maharaji. He lives in Malibu, CA. I wish he'd let me kiss HIS holy lotus feet again. PLEASE Join and help me sing HIS praises.

What was it Phineas T. Barnum said?

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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 16:58:14 (GMT)
From: Douche
Email: None
To: Tim
Subject: For Lovers of Maharaji only
Message:
I'm sorry, Tim, I thought you were being serious. I now see from your profile that you're a 49 year-old unemployed divorcee whose hobby is Chasing my beloved Lord around the world, hoping HE will let me kiss HIS HOLY LOTUS FEET! and whose favourite quote is Maharaji is greater than God. You're not for real are you? My apologies.
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Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 22:16:42 (GMT)
From: devotee
Email: None
To: Douche
Subject: For Lovers of Maharaji only
Message:
I'm for real. I was an ex until Tim posted here. That's the problem...maharaji took all away. We want arti and darshan, if possible, every day. He made us devotees and even that some of us try, he is God, after all, now is time to worship HIM!!! Is the premies fault! They have come here trying to convince us exes, well, they won. I surrender to the feet of the divine Lod Maharaji, the Superior Power in person. I tried to resist their satsang but DEVOTION WON!!I want magical thinking in my life. It makes me high, because HIS powers are so, so strong. Who else but God can GIVE ME that experience? The one I run behind for more than two decades. The one that separated me from my family and friends. Because he is GOD! Guru is greater than God because he shows you God, well, he never said what God he would show me, but, even if it's fake, I take it, because it comes from my beautiful Mahariahi...I must surrender my life again to the Supreme Maharaji because all the rest is illussion, including myself. Only God Maharaji is real, and my altar.

In my altar I surrender all my fears. I'm a coward, but hey, I have my altar, with his pictures of course. In the altar I become strong. Grace comes from his pictures. He makes me feel especial and loved, no matter that is all an illussion in my head. Everybody tells me I'm such a good person and I believe it, even that I know I'm a...Well. I have so many allucinations that I wont quit now, right? I had one experience once and I want it again. It was a gash of light that made me feel loved....Never again. Well, sometimes I say I'm loving and then, I send this and that somewhere, and it doesn't matter. I'll wake up tomorrow and it will be a new day. I can only love God, the rest? Screw everybody. Who cares? Oh, no!! I'm sounding like that woman, Elaine. Well, my altar is better than hers!

devotee growing every second a bit more, inwards, outside, I'm so, so, small.

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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 01:22:39 (GMT)
From: Elaine
Email: None
To: devotee
Subject: Pretty good,SB
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Jun 29, 2000 at 07:48:45 (GMT)
From: sb
Email: None
To: Elaine
Subject: Pretty good,SB: I know ;) LOVE nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 17:03:59 (GMT)
From: Tim Matheson
Email: None
To: Douche
Subject: Yes, this is for real
Message:
I had lost touch with Our Lord for many years. Now, with this computer, I can stay in touch and perform Service. I am back following agya. I love it....life is Gooooood!

Thanks, Lord!

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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 17:14:58 (GMT)
From: Eddie
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: Yes, this is for real
Message:
Tim Matheson, Tim Matheson, that rings a bell. Hey, aren't you the guy who starred in Leave It To Beaver? Well, blow me down! How's things Beav? And how's your mom, Mrs. Cleaver? I just hope she didn't live to see the day. Y'know what I mean? You are the guy who starred as Beaver, aren't you? I hope I'm not mistaken.

Eddie Haskell

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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 18:32:45 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Eddie
Subject: Yes, this is for real
Message:
Eddie:

'Hey, aren't you the guy who starred in Leave It To Beaver?'

That would be Jerry Mathers as 'The Beaver.'

--Scott

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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 16:46:48 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: Have you advertised this on ..........
Message:
the multiple EL forums or Maharaji's website?


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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 16:46:46 (GMT)
From: Otto Preminger
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: Are you Tim Matheson the actor? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 17:12:33 (GMT)
From: Tim Matheson
Email: None
To: Otto Preminger
Subject: Are you Tim Matheson the actor? nt-no
Message:
no
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Date: Tues, Jun 27, 2000 at 17:17:11 (GMT)
From: Eddie
Email: None
To: Tim Matheson
Subject: Oops!
Message:
Guess I should have read the whole thread before I posted up above. You sure you're not the Beaver?

Eddie Haskell

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