Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Sun, Nov 05, 2000 at 03:57:27 (GMT)
From: Oct 26, 2000 To: Nov 03, 2000 Page: 3 Of: 5


Salam -:- I am alive. -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 03:19:01 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- Mixing body fluids with premies -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 16:20:19 (GMT)
__ __ Salam -:- I thought maybe that guru thing -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 23:57:31 (GMT)

Found Christ -:- x premie for 20 years Premie for 8 years -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:29:37 (GMT)
__ a0aji -:- I got three Jesuses and a Ted Koppel -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 02:56:59 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- I didn't know he was lost. (nt) -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 13:16:12 (GMT)
__ __ found Christ -:- sorry, He found me!!!!!! -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 02:25:12 (GMT)
__ Rob -:- I'm putting my money on Satan -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 06:48:03 (GMT)
__ __ Gail -:- Is this the same Rob from two years ago -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 02:22:39 (GMT)
__ __ found Christ -:- Don't be too hasty -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 02:20:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ Scott T. -:- Imperfect Messiahs -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 00:45:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ 20 years ago -:- Imperfect Messiahs -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 02:20:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- So how come you followed the Maha? (nt) -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 19:41:26 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- Who with? Watch out for those bookies, Rob -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:36:22 (GMT)
__ bill -:- premie for 20+ years x for a 3 or so. -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:30:03 (GMT)
__ __ Found Christ -:- premie for 20+ years x for a 3 or so. -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 02:41:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- an un-Christian statement -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 06:31:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ 20 -:- ok. -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 13:27:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ G -:- burning in fire -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 17:24:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- an Irish toast -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 18:50:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ Scott T. -:- premie for 20+ years x for a 3 or so. -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 00:51:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ gerry -:- Jeez I dunno, Found Christ.... -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 03:29:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Edy 20 found -:- Jeez I dunno, Found Christ.... -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 18:57:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- A page from Jim's book... -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 20:11:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ Mickey the Pharisee -:- premie for 20+ years x for a 3 or so. -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 03:25:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ 20yearsI -:- premie for 20+ years x for a 3 or so. -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 02:42:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Mickey the Pharisee -:- premie for 20+ years x for a 3 or so. -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 19:37:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ G -:- 'quite sensative' -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 06:59:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Scott T. -:- Roman justice. -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 00:56:04 (GMT)
__ Coach -:- What was He wearing? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:38:49 (GMT)
__ __ found Christ -:- a bloody garment -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 02:31:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ Coach -:- Please... -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 18:28:03 (GMT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- What was He wearing? Come on Coach... -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:15:07 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- What's Satan? (nt) -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:33:17 (GMT)
__ __ G -:- He's this red guy -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:32:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ Scott T. -:- He's this red guy -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 01:02:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- He's this red guy -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 04:40:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ G -:- his appearance -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 04:55:58 (GMT)

Jim -:- One pathetic effort from one Andy Perl -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:51:25 (GMT)
__ cq -:- Has the Maha just bought Asda? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:40:30 (GMT)
__ bill -:- ha ha ha, boy is he wrong. -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:39:12 (GMT)
__ Steve Quint -:- It's A Sad Story, Jim -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:15:57 (GMT)
__ __ bill -:- It's A Sad Story, Jim -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:41:19 (GMT)
__ Djuro -:- One pathetic effort from one Andy Perl -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:55:35 (GMT)
__ __ hamzen -:- And don'tcha know he'd make a better job of it -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 11:20:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ DeProGram Anand Ji -:- Why M Can't Put The Sales Pitch Over The Top -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 11:25:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ Lotus Eater -:- Keeping up to date in premie speak is a constant -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 21:10:12 (GMT)

Djuro -:- Please, -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:49:06 (GMT)

la-ex -:- m's new trinket sales to go through the roof? -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:22:08 (GMT)
__ TED Farkel -:- m's new trinket sales--how bout this one? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 19:44:00 (GMT)
__ __ Susan -:- Ted, I dunno -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 19:53:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ TED -:- Ted, I dunno-check below for eisner post-it's TED -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:01:10 (GMT)
__ enquirer -:- m's new trinket sales -I nominate Jim for.... -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 14:37:18 (GMT)
__ __ Steve Quint -:- Recommended Products -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 14:51:42 (GMT)
__ janet -:- m's new trinket sales to go through the roof? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 10:36:56 (GMT)
__ Steve Quint -:- m's new trinket sales to go through the roof? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:02:46 (GMT)
__ a0aji -:- m's new trinket sales to go through the roof? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:09:29 (GMT)
__ __ Djuro -:- m's new trinket sales to go through the roof? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:13:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- enlighted -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:30:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Djuro -:- enlighted -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:50:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ G -:- You tell me -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:43:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Good question, G -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:27:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Good question, G -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 18:01:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- G, you are talking to an idiot -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 09:59:22 (GMT)
__ G -:- t-shirt caption -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:55:56 (GMT)
__ __ Djuro -:- t-shirt caption -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:00:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- that doesn't deserve a response but ... -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:28:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Djuro -:- that doesn't deserve a response but ... -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:54:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ G -:- huh? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 03:13:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Mickey the Pharisee -:- huh? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 03:27:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- ****STUPIDEST PREMIE RETORT OF THE MONTH**** -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:02:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Steve Quint -:- Who's the greatest of them all? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:06:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Haaa hahahhahahahahahah!!!! Make mine an XXXX (nt) -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:18:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Djuro -:- ****STUPIDEST PREMIE RETORT OF THE MONTH**** -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:10:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- Another reincarnated time-waster Jim, nt -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 06:32:56 (GMT)
__ Djuro -:- m's new trinket sales to go through the roof? -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:31:16 (GMT)
__ la-ex -:- any ideas to forward to EV for new trinkets? -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:28:47 (GMT)
__ __ Salam -:- Rawat condoms? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 04:47:01 (GMT)
__ __ bill -:- any ideas to forward to EV for new trinkets? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 04:26:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ a0aji -:- any ideas to forward to EV for new trinkets? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 05:01:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ me -:- lord lookalike inflatamate for the gopis-nt -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 13:38:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- How about those Felix the Cat clocks..... -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 17:55:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- try ebay ? (nt) -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:16:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Sure, but they're all on EV!! (nt) -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:36:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ bill -:- Forum Party on his birthday...nt -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 04:29:38 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- Extra-small Shri Hans condoms? (nt) -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:37:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ ham -:- Thought it was Extra-small prem pal condoms? (nt) -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 11:22:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Steven Quint -:- No More Accidents -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 13:17:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ hamzen -:- What about non-slip soap bars? (nt) -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 17:14:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ Djuro -:- Extra-small Shri Hans condoms? (nt) -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:40:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- That's not funny -- that's just dumb -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:52:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Djuro -:- That's not funny -- that's just dumb -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:57:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Now, that's funny! -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:39:42 (GMT)
__ __ Djuro -:- any ideas to forward to EV for new trinkets? -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:34:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ Steven Quint -:- A Special Forum For The Brain Damaged? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:10:17 (GMT)

Steve Quint -:- Shudder, shudder -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 19:28:43 (GMT)
__ Djuro -:- Shudder, shudder -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 22:36:28 (GMT)
__ Steve Quint -:- Shudder, shudder -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 21:51:53 (GMT)
__ __ Djuro -:- Shudder, shudder -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 22:57:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Shudder, shudder -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:38:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Djuro -:- Shudder, shudder -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:02:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Steve Quint -:- Shudder, shudder -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:00:23 (GMT)

Stonor -:- Sri Chinmoy (OT) -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 14:47:32 (GMT)
__ gerry -:- Sri Chinmoy (OT) -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 16:47:50 (GMT)
__ __ Stonor -:- Sri Chinmoy and great 'anti-cult' link! -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 06:00:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ gerry -:- Thanks and a bit of an apology (rationalization?) -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 16:51:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Another great link! - manipulative people (m!) -:- Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 03:00:20 (GMT)
__ Jethro -:- Some gossip re:Chimnoy (OT) -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 09:18:24 (GMT)
__ __ Happy -:- Some gossip re:Chimnoy (OT) -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 13:50:07 (GMT)
__ bill -:- wow-nt -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 21:15:16 (GMT)

Steven Quint -:- Don't Police My Peace -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 08:21:53 (GMT)
__ Eve -:- MF(ing) -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 17:29:10 (GMT)
__ __ Steve Quint -:- MF(ing) - Why The Dictionary Is Important -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 14:39:10 (GMT)
__ __ Steve Quint -:- MF(ing) -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 17:53:25 (GMT)
__ Stonor -:- Don't Police My Peace -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 15:01:00 (GMT)
__ Dv -:- Don't Police My Peace -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 13:24:47 (GMT)
__ __ Steven Quint -:- Don't Police My Peace -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 15:16:56 (GMT)
__ __ Steven Quint -:- Don't Police My Peace -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 14:02:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ DV -:- Don't Police My Peace -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 00:54:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ Steve Quint -:- Don't Police My Peace -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 18:09:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ Scott T. -:- OT posts, nudists, and Silent Movies (ot) -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 14:31:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Runamok -:- probably the Unholy Three (1930) nt -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 20:14:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Scott T. -:- probably the Unholy Three (1930) nt -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 15:14:20 (GMT)

Jim -:- My email to Joan Apter -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 21:09:11 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- Well Done, Jim and more on Joan Apter.... -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:35:44 (GMT)
__ JohnT -:- Your email to Joan Apter ... -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 09:41:45 (GMT)
__ Rob -:- The Joan Apter Story - Director's Cut -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 01:00:29 (GMT)
__ Steve Quint -:- My opionion on satsang -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:19:13 (GMT)
__ Selene -:- thank you for helping me with a memory -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 23:52:11 (GMT)
__ __ Scott T. -:- thank you for helping me with a memory -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 14:13:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- hahaha good one -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 17:38:38 (GMT)
__ __ la-ex -:- Great post,nice manner...think she'll respond? -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:28:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ bill -:- Great post,nice manner...think she'll respond? -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 01:16:56 (GMT)
__ Rick -:- You're a genius at this stuff (nt) -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 21:39:45 (GMT)
__ __ jaet -:- good until the 'pack of lies' part -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 22:09:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Well I said 'it seems', didn't I? (nt) -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 22:54:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Steven Quint -:- What the hell does 'hhhhhhh' mean? -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:22:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- That wasn't any secret language, Steve, this is -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 19:06:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- What the hell does 'hhhhhhh' mean? -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:29:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ blubber -:- It's short for 'hahahahahaha' -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 02:23:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Steven Quint -:- Get A Brain -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 04:33:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ janet -:- try it:type only in the subject line and see -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 11:22:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Steve Quint -:- try it:type only in the subject line and see -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 13:20:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- and do not take notice of blubber.........nt -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 11:49:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ blubber -:- Get Another hobby-nt-hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 20:14:03 (GMT)

TED Farkel -:- Mr. eDrek-your services are needed re:Frampton.... -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 19:42:38 (GMT)
__ a0aji -:- Mr. eDrek-your services are needed re:Frampton.... -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 14:48:01 (GMT)
__ Cynthia -:- Mr. eDrek-your services are needed re:Frampton.... -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 21:25:15 (GMT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Hmmmmm..'Blind Faith'...we didn't get the hint(nt) -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 21:28:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ janet -:- Hmmmmm..'Blind Faith'...we didn't get the hint -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 22:17:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Steve Q. -:- Hmmmmm..'Blind Faith'...we didn't get the hint -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:08:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- In FULL Beatles harmony: -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 02:08:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ a0aji -:- In FULL Beatles harmony: -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:11:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ JTF -:- When Lennon was killed..... -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 11:00:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- You sure it was Miami? -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 20:38:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ JTF -:- You sure it was Miami? -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 21:36:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- You sure it was Miami? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 17:14:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Steven Quint -:- Amazing Disgrace -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 04:35:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Come Down Off Your Thrown... -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 22:40:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ suchabanana -:- + leave your body alone, somebody holds the key(nt -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 02:37:20 (GMT)

TED Farkel -:- Mr. Dettmers,which Frampton tune was that? -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 19:36:08 (GMT)
__ Michael Dettmers -:- Mr. Dettmers,which Frampton tune was that? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 15:38:28 (GMT)
__ __ Joe -:- Where did Maharaji get his dope? (nt) -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 22:25:02 (GMT)
__ __ jondon -:- What did you seal the doobies -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:34:17 (GMT)
__ __ Susan -:- who directed Boogie Nights? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:31:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ michael eisner -:- who directed Boogie Nights?Possible stars... -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 19:57:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Susan -:- no, it has to be the '70s -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:08:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- no, it has to be the '70s -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:52:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- this doesn't strike me as a Disney flick -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:11:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- but! -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:29:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- I've heard of being 'taken for a ride', but ... -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 18:34:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- um...is that a joke? -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 19:12:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- um...is that a joke? -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 20:19:52 (GMT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Mr. Dettmers,which Frampton tune was that? -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 17:19:09 (GMT)


Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 03:19:01 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: I am alive.
Message:
So I made it half an hour late. Took me ages to get there.

Any way, I thought the place was nice and well presented. Two or three table with stuff on them (videos, tapes and cute little recycled hand made paper bags from Thailand, I had to have one of these)

Some overly polite and blissed out person came to see what was the commotion all about. I felt a bit embarrassed as I felt like a bulldozer inside the hall. So before the smoke filled the room I killed the engine and said where was my friend. It was bloody dark and I had to step on some feet. But hey, I forgot to say, as I entered the room I heard this screeching noise. It took a moment before it registered. I arrived in the middle of a money thing. He was saying something like this thing (the program) needed money for it to happen, and how he wished that they did not have to charge for it. He woofled about other things which I can not remember. Some very eerie song came on and I got the shits. Kept repeating the same rhythm while some very polished American female voice said some words, I am not sure if it was his poetry or one of his satsangs (is there a difference?).

As a production, the video was as synthetic as his dumb ass web site. I would say it is very successful in being introductory. Gee I am glad I was late, it took me ten minutes, before I wanted to ask where the toilet was. My friend (god bless her) said to me if I wanted to come out with her. Which I did before she managed to finish her last word. Hey there were 50 people in the room. Any way, while everyone started exchanging bliss cards, I went coffee hunting. I was served the coffee in this nice large glass cup. So I fished a newspaper lit a cigarette and waited until my friend came. She had someone with her that was there for the first time. I invited both for more coffee (coffee coffee coffee). I had a nice chat with the fellow. Anyway I ended up selling him a computer (shit). But then I said something that sounded really good. The fellow said I am still not convinced about your knowledge (speaking to my friend). She started say something, which sounded like a satsang, so I put my foot in the puddle and splashed mud on their faces. I said what I believed in. That everyone has the right to think the way he wanted. And that we need to respect each other’s believes and should not attempt to change that. Basically proseytizing
. Well that put a whole damper on the situation because the purpose of bringing a new person to m and k was to change what a person believes in.

This and that happened, some blissed out characters came to say hello and give me their blessing, I told them to get fucked too, but in a nice way. I did end up with two free tapes and I am proud to say that I managed to secure the bag that I wanted.

Does anyone think that maharaji looks a bit like a toad? I am not sure if you noticed at a close up how he shuts his oversize eyelids, exactly like a frog. Ribit, rabbit.

I was invited to go today also, but I do not think I’ll be going. I do not want to put on weight. So anyway I am looking forward to see my new premie friend on Thursday. Shish, she is coming to my place.

Rob, I am getting worried here. Do you think I should switch tactics and get laid? I really do want to exchange body fluids with a premie, I am pure now.

Oh, just before I go, a question to Black puffta Cat. Why do you want to know where I live? Now let me see, could you be an EV kind of person wanting to know where I went, so you can ring up and do some inquiries? No, I am to paranoid. Oh I get it, you want me chick. Well die you bastard, I am not telling you.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 16:20:19 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Mixing body fluids with premies
Message:
Very funny, Salam.

I'm not sure why you'd want to have sex with a cult member but I'm sure you could always liven it up a bit with a good Maharaji mask.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 23:57:31 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I thought maybe that guru thing
Message:
is like a virus and you could catch it. I am only thinking of safe sex. Not sure if condoms can stop it like.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:29:37 (GMT)
From: Found Christ
Email: skyline1949@yahoo.com
To: Everyone
Subject: x premie for 20 years Premie for 8 years
Message:
I'll be happy to answer questions. I was on the wrong track and was lucky enough to get off. Its a cult an it could have and tried to take my soul. Its very powerful and magical. Satan will come that way. It's also very subtle. Be careful dear hearts what and who you worship.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 02:56:59 (GMT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Found Christ
Subject: I got three Jesuses and a Ted Koppel
Message:
Anyone spot me a Roman Polansky?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 13:16:12 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Found Christ
Subject: I didn't know he was lost. (nt)
Message:
where did you find him?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 02:25:12 (GMT)
From: found Christ
Email: skyline1949@yahoo.com
To: AJW
Subject: sorry, He found me!!!!!!
Message:
o.k. He found me, is that better?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 06:48:03 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: randers112@hotmail.com
To: Found Christ
Subject: I'm putting my money on Satan
Message:
Just got through watching The Devil's Advocate. Great movie, very inspiring.

I've always thought Satan got a raw deal, he's more in touch with the needs and wants of mankind than God. As for Jesus, well he needs to get a life first, doesn't he?

NC

UD

You're wrong about the cult being powerful and magical, it's simply a collection of deluded individuals who bought the Rawat messianic crap and can't let go of it.

If it's power and magic you are after, I suggest you do some serious research into the works of the late, great, Aleister Crowley. He can put you in touch with the real Master.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 02:22:39 (GMT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Is this the same Rob from two years ago
Message:
who was going to sneak me into Montreal?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 02:20:20 (GMT)
From: found Christ
Email: skyline1949@yahoo.com
To: Rob
Subject: Don't be too hasty
Message:
You were obviously looking for something when you got into M. You were into him weren't you? There must be alot of anti-Christs running around if you think this Crowley guy is worse then M. I like your art gesture but I like cute pictures instead, like butterflies or angels or little doggies. I still believe life has a soft side, its just that people like M kind of make it hard for a person to believe much after his ideas of what peace and love is all about. Anyway, I survived. The scary part is that I tried to take my daughter with me at that time (she was 6 when I began that venture). But thank God (if I may?) she didn't fall for it. Do they still meditate with that T stick thing. There wasn't that many people when I first got into it; when I left it he had an airplane (jet). I donated $100 of money I didn't have for it. I lost a job once for putting a festival in Kissimmee ahead of it. The stories I could tell. I did experience some real psychic phenmoma, which I had a hard time denying that it was God given. Now I know better; that's why I say magical. I'll check in again tomorrow night. Sweet dreams. Life is o.k. Certain people aren't
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 00:45:32 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: found Christ
Subject: Imperfect Messiahs
Message:
There are a lot of inconsistencies in the New Testament accounts that bother me, but the most troubling is that story about the couple who misrepresented the *proportion* of their wealth that they had donated to the church, and were struck dead for 'lying to God,' as though God conducted an audit and suddenly figured out their deception. Talk about a story that just sounds too 'cult-like' to be believed.

Personally, I think that if there was a visitation of the Christ consciousness it came in the gradual 2000 year evolution from Roman autocracy to the modern democracy and open society. In other words, it's us. I can't figure out how that constitutes a religion though. The individal messiahs have been pretty disappointing when viewed very closely, and absent the mystique. Jesus doesn't appear to be much of an exception.

Anyway, you can believe if you like. Ultimately it's a matter of personal conviction and experience, but if you have a version of the story that's at odds with the historical record of the evolution of the gospels, and human nature, then you've got a lot of explaining to do if you want to convince anyone like myself. I think the reason messiahs are imperfect is that no single person can really represent the totality of human consciousness, potential and creativity. And I see no reason to worship an approximation since the original is right in front of my eyes, and worship is the wrong response anyway. Awe and respect are more like it, and feeling awe and respect toward something you and I are both a part of seems appropriately humble, reverential and empowered at the same time.

--Scott

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 02:20:52 (GMT)
From: 20 years ago
Email: None
To: Scott T.
Subject: Imperfect Messiahs
Message:
The bible is the inspired word of God. The main thing I want to address is that Jesus was not merely a messiah. He is the Son of God. Now a person believe this or they don't. I didn't always believe it, obviously (my devotion to M). But I believe the truth (the real truth) sets us free. It's not an intellectual thing. We can't get to God through intellect. We must examine the scriptures closely before getting into a debate. I can get you an answer to a particular scripture. I think the scripture you mentioned is just stating that we can't fool God. Regardless, everything is worth checking out and if my soul was at stake, I'd check it out from all available sources. I believe he died for my sins. Its good enough for me. Jesus was pure and when he was sacrificed it was a pure sacrifice - the only thing that would be acceptable to God for the sins of mankind.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 19:41:26 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: 20 years ago
Subject: So how come you followed the Maha? (nt)
Message:
fdsjlkfdskjfd
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:36:22 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Who with? Watch out for those bookies, Rob
Message:
Y'know, living life to the full is a great opportunity.

One decade it's 'Lord of the Universe', the next it's 'Lord of the ... '

my how time flies ...
.
.
.
Can't wait for 2010, by which time we all might be a step further toward independance from needing to believe in any supernatural agency.

Til then ...

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:30:03 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Found Christ
Subject: premie for 20+ years x for a 3 or so.
Message:
At this point, I cant imagine what in the world 'worship' means.

there is a question for you.

I was going to page Mickey the P. soon here because, well,
not yet.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 02:41:49 (GMT)
From: Found Christ
Email: skyline1949@yahoo.com
To: bill
Subject: premie for 20+ years x for a 3 or so.
Message:
Worship should only be applied to that which is Holy. By there fruits you shall know them. He thinks himself as God; he is very materialistic and as the capability of destroying people; so far that doesn't add up very well. Its very, very scary in fact; he should be arrested or maybe crucified.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 06:31:35 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Found Christ
Subject: an un-Christian statement
Message:

... Its very, very scary in fact; he should be arrested or maybe crucified.

To suggest that maybe he should be crucified contradicts what Jesus said. Remember: '... as we forgive those who trespass against us.', 'Thou shall not kill.', 'Love your enemy.', etc.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 13:27:55 (GMT)
From: 20
Email: None
To: G
Subject: ok.
Message:
o.k, I take this one back. I'm sure God has other plans like him burning in fire
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 17:24:53 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: 20
Subject: burning in fire
Message:

o.k, I take this one back. I'm sure God has other plans like him burning in fire

What evidence do you have that there actually is such a place? What's burning, coal? Where does the fuel come from?

That's quite a nasty God you believe in.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 18:50:50 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: 20
Subject: an Irish toast
Message:
Here's to Hell!
May the stay there be as fun as the way there!
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 00:51:32 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Found Christ
Subject: premie for 20+ years x for a 3 or so.
Message:
Wouldn't even bother with a trial, huh? I thought crucifixion was a Roman thing? Not worried about taking a step backward?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 03:29:12 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Found Christ
Subject: Jeez I dunno, Found Christ....
Message:
Its (sic) very, very scary in fact;(sic) he should be arrested or maybe(sic) crucified.

As much as I dislike goober, the death penalty might just be a little stiff.

You're not a fundamentalist by any chance, are you?

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 18:57:29 (GMT)
From: Edy 20 found
Email: skyline1949@yahoo.com
To: gerry
Subject: Jeez I dunno, Found Christ....
Message:
I'm a Cristian, that's all; Christ was cricified for nothing; this man deserves to be dismantled
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 20:11:02 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Edy 20 found
Subject: A page from Jim's book...
Message:

You're not a 'Cristian.' (sic) You're just some weirdo who's bounced from one cult into another.

What's your education level, by the way?

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 03:25:32 (GMT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: None
To: Found Christ
Subject: premie for 20+ years x for a 3 or so.
Message:
Look, no one should be crucified, and you really need to examine your motives here. As a fellow Christian, I want you to know that it will do you no good to come here and preach; people are already working though their disillusionment with M, and most here are quite aware of his shortcomings, but this statement about arrest and crucifixion is wrong, and dare I say, unchristian. Read through the site before you jump in on the discussions here. Once you understand what is going on, then you are most welcome to join in, but don't come here making such statements.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 02:42:44 (GMT)
From: 20yearsI
Email: None
To: Mickey the Christian
Subject: premie for 20+ years x for a 3 or so.
Message:
Pardon me but I started my own thread. People are quite sensative about crusifiction, I wonder why. I also wonder why you aren't spreading God's word, especially when they were as lost as you and now need to know the truth. God will take care of M. I am saying he is an anti christ and people need to be aware of that. You spread the word the way you want, and let me do the same.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 19:37:56 (GMT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: None
To: 20yearsI
Subject: premie for 20+ years x for a 3 or so.
Message:
You really have no idea whether I am spreading 'God's word' or not, do you? As far as anti-christ is concerned, talk of crucifying people and dropping them in hell fire and the other goofy things you have said here are not what Jesus was talking about, so that would actually make YOU anti-christ.
Look, we aren't here defending M; you need to read through the entire ex-premie.org site and then come here and talk.

What you are doing is hardly effective evangelization.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 06:59:15 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: 20yearsI
Subject: 'quite sensative'
Message:

People are quite sensative about crusifiction, I wonder why.

What's that supposed to mean? Whatever you meant, it's very strange. I wonder why you're not sensative about people being tortured to death.

I also wonder why you aren't spreading God's word, especially when they were as lost as you and now need to know the truth. ... You spread the word the way you want, and let me do the same.

Like by suggesting that some people should be tortured to death? A question, how do you know it's God's word you're spreading? Let me guess, your interpretation of the Bible is perfect, and everything in the Bible is true. Why? because God possessed the people who wrote it, edited it, translated it, and censored it. Even the contradictory statements are all true. Something like that? And where does it say in the Bible that some people should be crucified?

God will take care of M.

Are you talking about the concept of an eternal hell? Do you thinking a loving God would create imperfect creatures, then damn them to hell because of their imperfections?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 00:56:04 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: Roman justice.
Message:
Well said Michael. Not sure your nick is calculated to be very influential with a fundamentalist though.

--Scott

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:38:49 (GMT)
From: Coach
Email: None
To: Found Christ
Subject: What was He wearing?
Message:
tjvj
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 02:31:17 (GMT)
From: found Christ
Email: skyline1949@yahoo.com
To: Coach
Subject: a bloody garment
Message:
I am sorry your so disallusioned. See what he's done (M).
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 18:28:03 (GMT)
From: Coach
Email: None
To: found Christ
Subject: Please...
Message:
Go immediately to your nearest psychiatric unit. Explain to them you have just found the risen Christ wearing a 'bloody garment.'
They will take good care of you.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:15:07 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Coach
Subject: What was He wearing? Come on Coach...
Message:
he was wearing an Armani suit with a one pound solid gold Rolex on his wrist...then he flew off in his Gulfstream to meet up with his $7 million yacht. Which we all know, isn't in Newport right now.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:33:17 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Found Christ
Subject: What's Satan? (nt)
Message:
ggggggg
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:32:03 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: He's this red guy
Message:
He's red and he has horns and a tail. Sometimes when he's feeling dapper he'll wear a cape. I just saw him dancing with a nun last night. They were dancing the swing. I kid you not.

Found Christ, is that what you had in mind, or something else?

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 01:02:25 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: G
Subject: He's this red guy
Message:
G:

I thought this was the benevolent alien in 'Childhood's End?'

--Scott

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 04:40:16 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: G
Subject: He's this red guy
Message:
He is also a christian idea. Historically, Satan was part of the 'witches' religion and existed way back, the christian church (Roman that is ) decided at sometime that him and his worshippers made good fodder for fire.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 04:55:58 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: his appearance
Message:
His supposed appearance has varied considerably over the centuries, drawing upon various sources. Sounds like a good topic of a thread.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:51:25 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: One pathetic effort from one Andy Perl
Message:
The 'Perspectives' entries on EV's site are so weird. It looks like the premies have given a few spots to former PAMs to show how, even though premies no longer give public testimonials, there's no reason that a few, well-polished, reasonable and 'clear' premies couldn't say a few words without knocking the wheels off the cart.

One such premie is Andy Perl. For those who don't know him, Andy's a bit of a funny duck. Fairly tall, thin. If I remember, a super deep-voice, kind of soft-spoken monotone that I'm sure he cultivated for the cult. And a good, solid premie stare which, in some parts, is as good as a handshake.

Andy was a Canadian who rose up fairly high in the organization in and around the workshop period of '75 or 6. I hear he's in Florida now. In his 'Perspective' here, Andy does a very, very funny thing. First he decries his fellow cult members for their 'strange and muddled concepts'. His idea of a good premie is apparently one with a 'clear head' who's not interested in premie kitsche or 'strange and muddled concpets of Maharaji'. Yet this mythical person, who also, incidentally, has money, is naturally inquisitive. Thus, Andy, suggests, it's time to demystify Maharaji's identity. Funnny, then, that, in an apparent effort to do just that, he is able to say no more than that 'Maharaji is a Teacher, a Guide, and More' As if that says anything at all!

Here:

People tell wonderful stories about the impact of Knowledge in their lives. Two thing are very vivid in my memory of the days around my Knowledge session. The first is my recollection of my good friend Robbie telling me about Knowledge for the first time, the words he used, the timing of his phrases, his responses to my comments. The second is the incredible cascade of realizations that flooded my consciousness as I walked home from the Knowledge session. I went on to tell many, many people about Knowledge.
Today, I see people put off by the strange and muddled concepts of Maharaji we often generate. The interested people I know are generally successful and clear-headed. They are also inquisitive by nature and something inside them continues to search for the experience of Knowledge. However, they are not interested in joining a spiritual group, as promoted by souvenirs, logos, and language that implies a membership identity. Somehow the clubby atmosphere that prevails when we gather needs to be dissolved. Then more of us will trust the process and risk telling others about Knowledge.

I hope that a positive and clear message can be developed that enables new people to approach and experience Maharaji's introduction in a clean way. In any case, a clear atmosphere and presentation is needed that welcomes new people. This experience has been given to us to share with others. Perhaps Maharaji's public identity could be clarified. People naturally want to know 'who is he', and in the current situation, words like Master, Perfect Master, etc. are spoken awkwardly, with hidden meaning and mystery. Perhaps something more simple would help:

Maharaji is:

A: A Teacher - to those wanting to receive Knowledge

B: A Guide - to those who have received Knowledge

C: And More - since a relationship of gratitude and appreciation develops over time. This relationship is personal and private, between each person and Maharaji.

Maharaji is a Teacher, a Guide, and More.

Only spending a few decades in this stupid personality cult could explain how an otherwise sharp guy like Andy could say something so jaw-droppingly stupid. I mean, could he really, for even a nanosecond, think that this 'description' somehow clarifies anything?

Too much. Too fucking much.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:40:30 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Has the Maha just bought Asda?
Message:
You know, the supermarket chain?

As for the 'Master', well, he's '...everything you could want from a whore, and a little bit more ...'

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:39:12 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: ha ha ha, boy is he wrong.
Message:
Contrary to his guess, people ARE interested in idiotic religious crap.
It is just very telling that rawat cant pull in larger numbers when people will go for any nonsense at all.

He thinks it is the 'clubby' premies at fault (as does rawat)
as usual.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:15:57 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Jim
Subject: It's A Sad Story, Jim
Message:
It's not only stupid, Jim, it's severly brainwashed it seems.

It' amazing and sad how warped a human mind, so innately blessed with potential for joy and good deeds, can get after being exposed to the wrong medicine.

Hope you're well and enjoyed the wedding.

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:41:19 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Steve Quint
Subject: It's A Sad Story, Jim
Message:
Go have some Joy and do good deeds.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:55:35 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: One pathetic effort from one Andy Perl
Message:
You are more clever then M. You should be the Perfect Master
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 11:20:12 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: And don'tcha know he'd make a better job of it
Message:
The guy is incompetent, he had a completely gung-ho crowd in the west and blew it, anybody more organizationally incompetent and clueless, apart from his own fat wallet, it would be hard to imagine.

And you djuro show all the usual brainlessness and lack of humour.

That wonderful po-faced self-righteousness is something else, when premies can take the piss out of themselves, without waiting for approval from his royal majesty prem rawat the first, then you might get someone to listen.

If you're the last one, and there ain;t many of you left now, don't forget to switch out the lights, and wave goodbye at the docks as he sails off in his $7 million yacht.

And last but not least, why worry about us bunch of rotting vegetables, as though we could affect the lord of the universe, the living incarnation of god.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 11:25:14 (GMT)
From: DeProGram Anand Ji
Email: not given
To: everyone
Subject: Why M Can't Put The Sales Pitch Over The Top
Message:
1. In the early seventies people in the counter culture were very interested anything that smacked of eastern mysticism. To us it was exotic and very appealling because at the time society was so homogenous and drab and that the thought of having a Guru that was going to show us how to get high without drugs seemed very exciting. Also the Indian trapping were considered very hip in that era.

Fortunately we eventually realized that this drugless high was only a placebo and that the commitments we made to fatso were more imprisoning than liberating to us. The average person is not nearly as gullible as we were during that era.

2. Fatso himself has become so much more transparent than he was when his first came to this country. He used to pretend that he had a mission that included doing good works and establishing world peace. He does not even make a token effort to convince us that he cares for anything other than raiseing money and propagating his so-called Knowledge of God.

3. To many premies who had damaging inside infornmation on Fatso have gone public with it.

4. To many legitimate yoga and meditation teachers are availible to anyone that is interested in it's practice. Most of these teachers do not seek to exploit their students by developing a parasitic relationship with them.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 21:10:12 (GMT)
From: Lotus Eater
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: Keeping up to date in premie speak is a constant
Message:
effort. I remember back in the 70s sitting in the back seat of a car with an initiator who was back from a long tour, the two guys in the front were basically telling her what to say when we got to the hall.

AND NOW IT SEEMS THAT NOT ONLY IS 'PERFECT MASTER' OUT BUT ALSO 'THE MASTER', I find that very annoying, some of the best humour is generated by that title.

I shall have to start mailing my videos, replete with Master quotes out to forgetful premies soon!

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:49:06 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: Please,
Message:
don't get angry with me!
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:22:08 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: m's new trinket sales to go through the roof?
Message:
I just heard today that there will be some special videos in Nov. to commemorate the 100th birthday of m's father.

Also, a veritable smorgasbord of trinkets that m has said 'he wants all premies to at least see' in their communities.(he has designed some of them!)
Accordingly, most of the communities will be buying at least one trinket from each category to sell, or present for possible sale, to the suckers,er,premies....

Supposedly lots of different things from t-shirts, sweatshirts,hats,bracelets,mousepads,stationary,jackets,coffee cups,and a few different types of watches (one will go for $500!)
Also, commemorative plates for the wall, and commemorative coins!

I kid you not!

I burst out laughing when I heard about the shri hans coffee mug and the $500 watch, but my friend said it was true!

Not sure how many swans will be on each trinket, but save your money so you can stock up now on these one-of-a-kind pieces of important memorabilia....with the holidays approaching, what a great idea for gifts for the whole family!

Maybe we should purchase a coffee mug or something and present it to the best poster for the year....suggestions?

I guess finances are down...sure seems like a long ways from the 'I declare I will establish peace' days, or 'just watch how I will rule!' days.....I guess even ex-satgurus have to take of the bottom line......I guess yachts require upkeep as well....

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 19:44:00 (GMT)
From: TED Farkel
Email: None
To: everyone
Subject: m's new trinket sales--how bout this one?
Message:
For this new trinket sale, I recommend a plate that can hang on the wall (in my case, the transmission repair shop wall),with a picture of our lord tokin up with some of the ole time PAMS, while groovin to Frampton comes alive on his stereo system...

See,I've got this theory about some of you cantankerous old timers....

Maybe you're just jealous that YOU didn't get to toke up with the satguru and the PAMS....maybe you were stuck 'jumbling' in Buffalo,NY in the middle of winter for the local Divine Sales store,eatin brown rice and old vegetables,listenin to the same ole same ole every night and trying to act blissful, while the PAMS were flying kites with old MJ, shopping with RJ and tokin with the whole crew late at night...

See, I think that maybe you need to get in touch with the 'Inner PAM' within you. You never found it before...I'm thinkin that maybe one of these commemorative plates, plus a doobie or two, and a new digitally engineered rendition of Frampton's 'Can you feel it?' might be just the ticket for some of you guys...maybe for a new years party...

But that's just ole TED, down in Mobile, Alabama....
(Maybe I've been watching too much Oprah...
But maybe not...)

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 19:53:46 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: TED Farkel
Subject: Ted, I dunno
Message:
Am I jealous?

I just know that however much I wanted to be xrated, that it never would have happened. The same 'tsk, tsk, tsk' thing that Gerry despises in me was alive and well and even more abundant in my personality as a teen. That and incredible naivete and idealism.

Michael would have sat me down to x rate me, watched my jaw drop to the floor and my eyes pop out of my head, that combined with the nervous twitching that would have started in my leg while I started pulling my hair as I did when I was nervous...

I would have been back to cleaning the toilet and being shooed out of the res before he arrived.

( I did rise to that level of service you know )

Paul Thomas Anderson that is who directed Boogie Nights, and I want him to direct Darshan Days too

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:01:10 (GMT)
From: TED
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Ted, I dunno-check below for eisner post-it's TED
Message:
nt
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 14:37:18 (GMT)
From: enquirer
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: m's new trinket sales -I nominate Jim for....
Message:
I nominate Jim, for his outstanding work in digging up old PAMS from the past, and his brilliant interrogations, which have brought up so many new pieces of information....brilliant, and a valuable service to all, in helping piece the puzzle together after all these years....

Let's see....would you like the swan mousepad for those brilliant e-mails, the divine stationary with a sappy quote about staying inside, or the shri hans coffee mug to drink some java while you're reading janice wilson's latest wisdom?
On second thought, the coin or wall plate might be cute in your den...

Just kidding, Jim, keep up the great work!
(but I do think we would all take up a collection and spring for something if you really want it...)

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 14:51:42 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: enquirer and everyone
Subject: Recommended Products
Message:
Blindfolds, earplugs and barf bags should be issued for free at the door of the 'events'. The only items sold should be a good English dictionary and books on cults, deprogramming and self-help. All profits should go towards paying for therapy for those that have been to these 'events' in the past.

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 10:36:56 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: m's new trinket sales to go through the roof?
Message:
spaceballs comes to mind---'may the schwartz be with you! merchandising, merchandising, merchandising'...(doubly obnoxios to me because I AM a Schwartz! and if i had any say, i'd overturn the tables of the moneychangers in the temple foyer)
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:02:46 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: la-ex
Subject: m's new trinket sales to go through the roof?
Message:
What's coming next? Kentucky Fried Swan?

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:09:29 (GMT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: heh
Subject: m's new trinket sales to go through the roof?
Message:
I want a Shri Maharaj Ji coffee cup where he says to the disciple 'I will kick you beyond the three lights of men' -- and then the light in the devotee's forehead beams out when the mug is full of hot coffee (thermally activated)!

The flip side should have Sanford and the Chicken on it, like a cartoon of them, with Sanford showing the chicken the light technique.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:13:25 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: m's new trinket sales to go through the roof?
Message:
To understand enlightenment, you must be enlighted
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:30:58 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: enlighted
Message:
Are you claiming to be enlighted?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:50:21 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: G
Subject: enlighted
Message:
What it means to be enlightened?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 02:43:05 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: You tell me
Message:
You're the one who brought it up, you said

'To understand enlightenment, you must be enlighted'

I asked you if you are claiming to be enlighted. I think that is a reasonable question. Instead of answering, you ask me

'What it means to be enlightened?'

Is that supposed to be a zen koan?

So I'll ask you again, are you claiming to be enlightened? Also, what do you mean by enlightened? Remember, you used the term before I did. I don't know what you mean by it, so why are you asking me what you mean by it?

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:27:52 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: G
Subject: Good question, G
Message:
It's a good question to pose to premies, G, since they know so much about it (uh, huh). But when you ask them if they're 'enlighted' (good one, G, though I doubt his enlightened self got it), none of them ever seem to say 'yeah'! Strange, that.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 18:01:24 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Good question, G
Message:
It's like that old myth of 'realising' Knowledge (which was always a carrot for the donkey-brains to keep striving for).

The lure of enlightenment is often used as a snare by the less scrupulous peddlars of spiritual practises.

I've heard that the Zen approach is to stop striving for enlightenment, but only after you've made every effort to attain it!

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 09:59:22 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: G
Subject: G, you are talking to an idiot
Message:
I do not think he is interested in any intelligent conversation, just wasting time.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:55:56 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: t-shirt caption
Message:
He said he could show me God.

And all I got was this lousy t-shirt.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:00:09 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: G
Subject: t-shirt caption
Message:
But T-shirt was more important for you than God
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:28:07 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: that doesn't deserve a response but ...
Message:
Oh yes, I worship t-shirts. I owe my existence to t-shirts. I obsess about t-shirts. I ponder the nature of t-shirts. I live my life just to have more t-shirts. Why, I have several rooms of my house filled with t-shirts. I have a t-shirt on right now and it feels so good! I just love the soft cotton against my skin.

In the beginning was the T-Shirt. And you can get a manifestation of the T-Shirt and the Holy Coffee Mug only from Prem Rawat. You see, those trinkets are not just trinkets, they are Holy Trinkets because they have Holy Swans on them. Maybe He actually blessed them! Wow, the next time a drink coffee I could be drinking charnamrit!

Do you know there is a guy in Taiwan who says he's God? He sells expensive plastic flowers that he claims he blessed. What do you think of that?

No Djuro, I find this trinket sales stuff to be petty. I had a Christmas decoration with Rawat's coat-of-techniques emblem on it. I threw it out. I had some Elan Vital/Divine Light Mission t-shirts. I threw them out a long time ago.

Truth is not for sale.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:54:14 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: G
Subject: that doesn't deserve a response but ...
Message:
Why did you by things you don't like?
And the guy from Taiwan, did he show you the way to god?
Please, beleive what you feel.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 03:13:16 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: huh?
Message:

Why did you by things you don't like?

What kind of veiled message do you have lurking in that question? Sometimes people buy things thinking they want them, or they think they're supposed to buy them. Sometimes they might realise later that they don't need the junk nor want it, so they get rid of it. It seems that you are accusing me of changing. Well excuse me.

And the guy from Taiwan, did he show you the way to god?

I never met the guy from Taiwan, I just heard about him. So no, he did not show me the way to god. What is your disguised point this time? Are you claiming to be with god because of Rawat?

Please, beleive what you feel.

'Believe' is more properly used in relation to thoughts. I can believe a thought, but how do I believe a feeling? What are you referring to anyway? Come on, out with it, stop writing in code.

Consider this situation, supposed Jack is infatuated with Jill and thinks she's a perfect goddess. Should Jack simply 'believe' his infatuation? What if Jill couldn't give two shits about Jack? What if she barely knows he exists? What if she's really not a nice person at all but is superficially charming and likes to be a tease? Should Jack cling on to his infatuation, or would it be better for him to let it go?

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 03:27:22 (GMT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: None
To: G
Subject: huh?
Message:
No matter what, Jack should buy the Jill coffee mug and t-shirt.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:02:24 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: ****STUPIDEST PREMIE RETORT OF THE MONTH****
Message:
That was amazing, Djuro.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:06:57 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Jim
Subject: Who's the greatest of them all?
Message:
'T-shirt is greater than guru, because t-shirt can show you guru'.

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:18:04 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Steve Quint
Subject: Haaa hahahhahahahahahah!!!! Make mine an XXXX (nt)
Message:
A1 hee hee hee!
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:10:42 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: ****STUPIDEST PREMIE RETORT OF THE MONTH****
Message:
I remember you! You are stil the same.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 06:32:56 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Another reincarnated time-waster Jim, nt
Message:
nt
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:31:16 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: m's new trinket sales to go through the roof?
Message:
What it has to do with you? M love his master, you don't. And some of the premies have enough money to spend easily 500$. why not? With your money you by what you want.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:28:47 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: all
Subject: any ideas to forward to EV for new trinkets?
Message:
Forgot to mention in the first post...

Does anyone have possible ideas that we should forward to EV about particular types of trinkets that might be worth designing and marketing for sale at programs?

I like swan plates...
toy yachts for the kids to play with in the bathtub...
neck ties designed by m (like rush limbaugh)
Peter Frampton roach clip?

the possibilities are endless...

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 04:47:01 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: Rawat condoms?
Message:
hahahahahah
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 04:26:10 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: any ideas to forward to EV for new trinkets?
Message:
they should sell sticks just like the one shit hans used to beat premies with.

They should sell parts of his bones and clothes like the catholics do.
We could display then in amulets like the catholics do.

How about 'a parents guide to raiseing lords of the universe'
I have 4 boys here, how do I make 2 of them into lords?
And one to play bongos and one to do drugs.

And a real money maker would be a book detailing HOW you get your wife to call you 'master'.

THAT would sell. Especially to religious types.

love the t-shirt idea.
I think the bric a brak is more damaging than this site to the old premies.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 05:01:39 (GMT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: any ideas to forward to EV for new trinkets?
Message:
Arti-lyrics toilet paper

Shri Hans whoopie cushion

Teletubby doll with Krishna crown

'My Life is Your Play' logo on a toilet plunger

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 13:38:31 (GMT)
From: me
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: lord lookalike inflatamate for the gopis-nt
Message:
djdsf
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 17:55:15 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: How about those Felix the Cat clocks.....
Message:
where their eyes move back and forth....

One with goomraji's and the Shri in full krishna gear....

Eyes moving back and forth every second, because we all know...he knows when you are meditating, knows your every thought...ooops..that Santa, sorry.

The clocks could have swans, too, but just those eyes moving back and forth could send the tens of PWK video goers right out of the cult. Back and forth, tick, tick, tick...

I have a mug I bought a couple of years ago that says 'practice knowledge.' ....any takers? I paid $10 for it, so it must have increased in value by now:::))))))

Cynthia

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:16:44 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: try ebay ? (nt)
Message:
nt
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:36:03 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Sure, but they're all on EV!! (nt)
Message:
nt
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 04:29:38 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: Forum Party on his birthday...nt
Message:
dyfgekdy
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:37:20 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: Extra-small Shri Hans condoms? (nt)
Message:
dddd
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 11:22:37 (GMT)
From: ham
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Thought it was Extra-small prem pal condoms? (nt)
Message:
a
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 13:17:01 (GMT)
From: Steven Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: ham and everyone
Subject: No More Accidents
Message:
Also extra-strong Shri Hans condoms - No More Accidents.

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 17:14:50 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Steven Quint
Subject: What about non-slip soap bars? (nt)
Message:
a
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:40:24 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Extra-small Shri Hans condoms? (nt)
Message:
I use to put condoms over your head sometimes
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:52:51 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: That's not funny -- that's just dumb
Message:
Djuro,

What is your education level? Anything past grade five, let's say?

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:57:25 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: That's not funny -- that's just dumb
Message:
What was the educational level of your grandfather?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:39:42 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: Now, that's funny!
Message:
Stupid as hell, but funny as shit.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:34:09 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: any ideas to forward to EV for new trinkets?
Message:
Are you for sale? I'd pay 200$ for you
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:10:17 (GMT)
From: Steven Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Djuro and Everyonee
Subject: A Special Forum For The Brain Damaged?
Message:
There will be a lot more of this type coming soon, I'm afraid.

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 19:28:43 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Everyone
Subject: Shudder, shudder
Message:
From a certain pathetic website:

Sun 10/29 at 1pm PDT
Thu 11/2 at 6pm PDT

Introductory Broadcast
Recent events in Australia and North America produced footage of Maharaji addressing the topic of life. Excerpts from these events combined with historical selections from events in the 70's, 80's, and 90's are interwoven in this introductory broadcast. Invite your guests!

'Invite your guests!'?

Sounds like sadism of the worst kind. It's like someone knowing they are HIV positive and having unprotected sex with non-infected people. Shudder, shudder.

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 22:36:28 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Steve Quint
Subject: Shudder, shudder
Message:
Does it means that you were HIV positive?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 21:51:53 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Everyone
Subject: Shudder, shudder
Message:
Went to the event. Left a few seconds before the feed started. It was a good experience.

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 22:57:45 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Steve Quint
Subject: Shudder, shudder
Message:
Why did you go to the program?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:38:44 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Djuro
Subject: Shudder, shudder
Message:
Why did you post that dumb set of numbers?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 00:02:19 (GMT)
From: Djuro
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Shudder, shudder
Message:
That's how life is going:up-down
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 01:00:23 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Djuro
Subject: Shudder, shudder
Message:
I guess you sat through the whole feed. I had a feeling this is what it would do to a person's brain.

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 14:47:32 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Sri Chinmoy (OT)
Message:
These are a couple of 'reviews' of the September 'concert' of Sri Chinmoy in Montreal. Runamok, a few others and I discussed Chinmoy a long time ago here, and I thought some might find this interesting. I went to one of his 'free' concerts a few years ago, and I was APPALLED by the way he ABUSED the piano. I STILL get upset when I think about it. (Can you tell? ;-) I think this shows that people ARE becoming more aware of 'cults', and are growing less worried about calling them such, even in this age of multi-cultural tolerance.

First, A 'Brick Bat' from The Gazette, Montreal's English daily,

To organizers of this evening's Sri Chinmoy concert, for arrogance. It's not that they have been plastering posters advertising the concert: all over the downtown core in recent weeks it's that they've been plastering them over top of posters advertising other current cultural events, so much so that to look at some boardings around building sites you'd think the Sri Chinmoy concert was the onIy game in town. Posters for movies, exhibitions, concerts and even today's Walk for AIDS aren't being given the same chance to catch the public's eye because of the Sri Chinmoy people's aggressive tactics.

And, from a weekly 'alternative' paper, The Hour, Maria Simpson's review:

Sri Chinmoy: Master of Mind or Music

Eat lots of carbohydrates before you go: advised one sage Hour writer during a discussion of preventative brainwashing measures for my excursion to last Saturday's Concert of a Lifetime at the Moison Centre.

While I doubted the antimind-control capabilities of carbs, the threat was real. Sri Chinmoy, peace leader and record-breaking weightlifter, seems to have mesmerized a number of international- luminaries with his meditation-inducing melodies. In the press material he's seen fraternizing with the likes of MotherTeresa, Princess Diana, Pope John Paul II and Nelson Mandela, while Leonard Bernstein effused, 'You have written counterpoint like Bach.'

Although Chinmoy is a recognized leader for peace, some critics have ventured to call his following a cult. As a member, one must become celibate, even if married, eat a vegetarian diet and pay for the upkeep of the Sri Chinmoy meditation centres (the concert at the Molson Centre was paid for by members). Chinmoy and his student/followers are also fanatical about getting into The Guinness Book of World Records. One holds the record for the longest distance covered by pogo-stick and running a marathon while juggling, and had to be carried off the Oprah Winfrey Show for eating the world's hottest pepper. There are currently around 1,000 members in Canada; 25 reside in Montreal.

Loaded with bread and a trepidatious heart I warily made my way into the Molson Centre. The media was seated with the members of the Sri Chinmoy Centres, and the atmosphere was clearly devotional. The men, who were dressed all in white, sat separately from the women to prevent impure thoughts, and all sat blissfully upight with hands clasped in prayer. And then, the music started.

While Bernstein may have compared Chinmoy with Bach, his music made my blood run cold. Chinmoy boasts competence on over 70 instruments, but his noodling on traditional lndian instruments as well as synthesirets, the cello, flute and piano were childishly simple and achingly bad. While the program asked that the audience refrain from clapping, hooligans in the nosebleed section insisted on hooting and calling . after each number, causing the devotees to look visibly distressed, and Chinmoy, pissed off. l And just as I thought it couldn't get any worse, the concert took a bizarre turn. Clips of Chinmoy's miraculous weight lifting feats were played on the Jumbotron that featured the 70-year-old guru hoisting a small airplane filled With passengers and Carl Lewis on top of an eiephant. How does this promote world peace again? I left the Molson Centre speechless and more than slightly disturbed.

Although 17,000 People arrived at the concert, a small number stayed for the final ditties. Despite the catcalling and Chinmoy's perturbed expression, organizer Vidura Groulx commented- 'I think [the show] went well. Montreal is known to be exuberant, but Sri Chinmoy enjoyed it.

Maybe Groulx didn't eat enough bread.

Can you believe Bernstein compared Chinmoy with Bach?!! What did they pump into the air of the concert hall Bernstein heard him in?!! If Bernstein's still alive, I'm sure he regrets it.

And he certainly milked the celebrities' 'polite' comments all he could! I think this shows some of the potential drawbacks of being 'nice'.

Stonor

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 16:47:50 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Sri Chinmoy (OT)
Message:
Sri Chimnoy
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 06:00:04 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Sri Chinmoy and great 'anti-cult' link!
Message:
Good link Gerry, and for those who haven't found Rick Ross's site yet (linked to the Chinmoy), it's more than worth checking out. Here's what he has on mind control
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 16:51:40 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Thanks and a bit of an apology (rationalization?)
Message:
I especially liked the Dealing with manipulative people excerpt, since I am rather hyper-aware of my susceptibilty to such types and still feel vulnerable to them .

When I angrily exploded at you, I felt that my acceptance of your 'bullying' posts and my subsequent attempts to 'reform' had been exploited by you in order to make me conform with your idealized sense of how people should behave. It was reactionary on my part and I now see you were only trying to help. So I must apologize.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 03:00:20 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Another great link! - manipulative people (m!)
Message:
That is the best breakdown of the covert/overt forms of aggressive manipulation I've seen; everyone should read it. You might have noticed I seem to have become hyper-sensitive to any form of manipulation too! ;-) Although it seems to have kept me from getting hooked in a cult, I seem to get it from both types anyways - I guess because they're both out there! And I think there is a bit of both types in everyone - please let me know (gently) if I ever get off balance! ;-) Thanks for explaining, I really appreciate it.

I had another minor Chinmoy-related experience just before his concert, because someone had given a stack of tickets for the Chinmoy concert to the community co-ordinator of one of the centres where I work in Chinatown. I think I was almost shaking when I told her that I wasn't interested, but I couldn't think of a way to stop her from offering them to the students - she was already looking at me as though she couldn't understand my reaction at all. Maybe I will discuss it with her next time I see her (and bring those articles!)

(a novice anti-cult activist)

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 09:18:24 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Some gossip re:Chimnoy (OT)
Message:
This may ineterest you. I heard it many years ago and have no idea if they are true.....

Chimnoy's private secretary for some time was an early ex-premie whose name I can't remember but she was Milky Cole's first wife.

Chimnoy himself was once a disciple of hansji(prempal's father).

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 13:50:07 (GMT)
From: Happy
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Some gossip re:Chimnoy (OT)
Message:
Jethro,

probably just gossip.
Sri Chinmoy was brought up at Sri Aurobindo's ashram in
India.
However, there are certain scandals around him, too. Like claims about supernatural powers, at least one suicide, and his weightlifting claims are impossible. THere's a lot of stuff on the net about him, too.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 21:15:16 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: wow-nt
Message:
tykdkx
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 08:21:53 (GMT)
From: Steven Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Everyone
Subject: Don't Police My Peace
Message:
Why do I get dissed when I talk about hangovers or post lyrics to songs I find beautiful or relevant and people get away with posting about Shakespeare and Ralph Nader without problem simply by adding two letters 'ot' on the subject line?

Reading and posting to this site is stressful. Going over memories of 23 years of the most insane mind-fucking imaginable. Realizing you were fooled by a master con-artist moron. Do you really want to police my mind at this point?

I am going to proceed to post at will. I am not going to use the letters 'ot'. I consider it an insult to have to categorize my thoughts and decide that some things I choose to post are not relevant - why the heck would I be posting them if I considered them irrelevant in some way. No more mind-fucking please. This is not the place for mind-fucking. This is the place to heal mind-fucking.

Correct my English if you want to. If you're wrong I'll tell you. If you're right I'll thank you. But don't correct my mind. I'll do that myself.

If the mind-policing persists in an annoying way, I'll go away. I'm thinking of starting my own web-site at some point. If JohnT or others who know HTML or other forms of website design want to participate, you know my email address.

No more mind-fucking or mind-policing, please.

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 17:29:10 (GMT)
From: Eve
Email: etk@intergate.ca
To: Steven Quint
Subject: MF(ing)
Message:
i noticed you mentioning mind-fucking (mf) quite abit. in speaking to you about mf one evening at my place let me clarify from a woman's standpoint that the context i was using it in is completely ab-/mis-used here. what i was teaching you was how to seduce a woman, as her sexual organ is between her ears and by educating you what to say to a woman to draw her to you.

but ... as everyone has a nose, everyone has an opinion and you are entitled to use mf(ing) in whatever context you feel appropriate for your subject matter. i just thought my point about it was lost ...

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 14:39:10 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Eve
Subject: MF(ing) - Why The Dictionary Is Important
Message:
From The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language:
mind fuck.

I think that this phrase is important for a number of reasons.

Some quotes:

He reminded us that: 'I am following you around, that's what the Master does,' to keep us inspired; it is so comforting. Seeing him and being part of this experience of really living this life to the fullest is immeasurable. How can I measure the contentment and gratitude I feel? Just enjoy it. I sure did, despite the rain.

From his talk in Rome October 30, 2000.

You see, his active follower uses the word 'remind', which is obviously derived from the word 'mind. You know, I was reading a response to one of my messages where someone who should know better was ridiculing my frequent use of English dictionaries. Maybe some people still don't realize to what extent this 'guru' has robbed our minds of its knowledge of our native English language for his own evil purpose. Words are used left and right to suit his purposes, and since many or most of us once trusted him, we believed what he said many many times that the 'mind' will only confuse us, not help us. You want to make me very very angry right now? Say that to my face. I don't recommend it.

So the word 'remind' is used as if the only use for our minds and memory is to remember him and his bullshit.

Another one:

I am not talking to your mind... I have nothing to teach your mind and never will. Why bring a stranger between us? I am talking to your heart.

From Tokyo October 22, 2000

Let one heart understand what the other heart is saying. If you are looking for the kingdom of heaven, it is not to be found in the mind. The concept of heaven is created by the heart. The concept of hell is created by the mind. The concept of joy is created by the heart, sorrow by the mind. The concept of clarity by the heart, doubt by the mind. The answer is created by the heart. the question by the mind.

From the same talk in Tokyo

I think I've made my point and I get ill looking at this stuff, so I'll move on. If there were laws against brainwashing and deceiving innocent people, these quotes alone would convict him.

For all the doubters, using dictionaries prevents me from having to reinvent the wheel when talking about these crucial things. He has taken, or at least tried very hard to take away our ability to think clearly by robbing us of our language and, equally insidiously, our ability to communicate clearly with each other to figure out what happened. He has also acquired material wealth in the process and caused severe mental illness and suicide in innocent followers. This is brainwashing of the most insidious and evil kind.

As you can see from the definition of 'fuck', it can mean sexual intercourse or taking advantage of, betraying, cheating or victimization. For anybody who has been through his tutelage, and consider 23 years to be a long time to persist in this mental rape and torture - for some people it has been even longer - relerning English and figuring out what he has done through misuse of language, is essential to becoming healthy, sane, and a normal and useful human being.

I think that your intended meaning of 'mind-fuck' is seduce, particularly definition 3a 'To entice or beguile into a desired state or position'. This may be related to sexual intercourse, but is not in the dictionary, not a clear word, and has overtones of the aforementioned meaning of 'taking advantage of, betraying, cheating or victimizing a person's mind'.

I hope you see why I insist on people using clear English when talking to me. I am fairly well-educated and, because of experience with this bad teacher, hyper-sensitive to people using words to suit their own purposes instead of in generally accepted ways.

Thanks,

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 17:53:25 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Eve
Subject: MF(ing)
Message:
You're funny, Eve.

Unfortunately, 'mind-fucking' isn't in my Webster's and Encarta is not working at the moment but I've checked it before and I'm pretty sure it's not there either. If a word is not in a dictionary, it's a bit of a free-for-all, and that's why I've asked you to explain the term.

I use this term differently from the way you do, evidently. Don't you ever find people trying to confuse you? I think we saw an example yesterday around noon. I don't like it when people try to confuse me and I call them on it immediately. I'm allergic to it. 23 years in this 'cult' will do amazing things to your defense systems.

Thanks for posting,

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 15:01:00 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Steven Quint
Subject: Don't Police My Peace
Message:
Hi Steve,

Believe me, I can relate! And I just posted the Chinmoy thing as off topic, but to some extent it is on topic. I also find that some OTs are much better tolerated than others (American politics, for example), whether or not they are marked OT, not entirely sure why.

I think you got some good advice on the hangover question. I remember years ago, I found that one of those 1000 mg (?) of vitamin C that Redox(?) makes in fruit flavoured tablets that dissolve in a glass of water was really helpful too. They come in metal tubes at the pharmacy. OK, I know the crisis is over, but in case it happens again .... ;-)

I hear the weather was beautiful in BC yesterday. My friend was telling me last night that she was wearing sandals, and then I woke up this morning to the whiteness of our first snowfall!!! I will still be getting out to the garden soon - the ground isn't frozen yet!

Stonor

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 13:24:47 (GMT)
From: Dv
Email: None
To: Steven Quint
Subject: Don't Police My Peace
Message:
I guess you don't care about wasting peoples time. Sounds selfish to me. I open posts here expecting them to be relevant. How would you feel if Dettmers labeled a post 'Startling News!' and it turned out to be a discussion about hangovers. If I want to read about hangovers, I'll go to hangovers.com. OT gives me the option.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 15:16:56 (GMT)
From: Steven Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Dv
Subject: Don't Police My Peace
Message:
Please don't mention me and Dettmers in the same paragraph again.

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 14:02:11 (GMT)
From: Steven Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Dv and Everyone
Subject: Don't Police My Peace
Message:
What you say sounds good in theory, but in reality I find that interesting posts can be found anywhere on the board and that 'ot' often doesn't give me useful information. It might be keeping me away from messages on a string that would be interesting or useful to me.

My understanding is the the forum administrator checks messages and deletes those he finds offensive or very inappropriate. I think that's fine, and, while I might not always agree with him, I respect that he has a difficult job to do and that judgment is not alway easy to exercise.

My point is that in my opinion I, and probably others here as well, can benefit most from messages that are intelligent or witty regardless of what the content of that message is. Certainly the main reason for this forum is to discuss experiences and thoughts around the world of 'knowledge', but after hanging around here for four weeks I really don't think there's much new to discuss of a serious nature. I believe that at this point, humor is the best medicine for those suffering from 'the hangover of knowledge'.

I find this subject interesting and would be happy to continue the discussion.

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 00:54:19 (GMT)
From: DV
Email: None
To: Steven Quint
Subject: Don't Police My Peace
Message:
'What you say sounds good in theory, but in reality I find that interesting posts can be found anywhere on the board and that 'ot' often doesn't give me useful information. It might be keeping me away from messages on a string that would be interesting or useful to me.'

Well then read it anyway! No one's stopping you.

'I really don't think there's much new to discuss of a serious nature.'

Yes, that seems to be part of your problem. But don't worry, I don't read your posts anymore, therefore you won't see any futher comments from me.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 18:09:03 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Everyone
Subject: Don't Police My Peace
Message:
For your information, a definition of hangover.

What's irrelevant about hangovers?

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 14:31:08 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Steven Quint
Subject: OT posts, nudists, and Silent Movies (ot)
Message:
Steven:

This business of including 'ot' in the subject line is just a social convention. I had a friend once who insisted on wearing clothes when we visited a nudist retreat. She decided she felt 'a little funny' after awhile. If you don't differentiate between on and off topic posts then some people may decide that they don't want to bother reading either. To be frank, I'm not very interested in most of the discussion about Maharaji. I've read most of these thoughts, ideas, and facts many many times, so I find the 'ot' posts more provocative and interesting. If you don't label your 'ot' posts it'll make it harder for me to find them.

I understand that Lon Cheney did one talking picture, and it was not in the horror genre. For some reason I've become sort of a silent movie buff, and Cheney fascinates me. Would love to see that talkie movie some time, just to hear what the guy's voice sounds like. (I think it was called 'Three Prisoners' or something like that.) He probably sounds just like his son, Lon Cheney, Jr., who was by comparison a rather mediocre actor.

--Scott

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 20:14:50 (GMT)
From: Runamok
Email: djrayovac@aol.com
To: Scott T.
Subject: probably the Unholy Three (1930) nt
Message:
email only
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 15:14:20 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: probably the Unholy Three (1930) nt
Message:
Run:

Yup, that was it. Thanks.

--Scott

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 21:09:11 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: My email to Joan Apter
Message:
Dear Joan,

I'm the ex-premie who called you this past summer to discuss Maharaji. Do you remember? You were busy getting ready for a dinner party but were able to graciously give me about ten minutes of your time nonetheless. As I I explained, I called you because I thought your high profile in the cult, indeed your status as a 'Super Premie' if you will, made your opinion about Maharaji inherently interesting to someone like me who'd never been more than a rank and file ashram premie.

You seemed somewhat bemused by my call. It was as if there was nothing to discuss, you certainly had no regrets or issues to resolve. As for my 'ex-ness', your advice (unsolicited) was to leave the past behind and simply get on with my life. If I wanted to follow Maharaji, fine. If not, that was cool too. But to try to understand, discuss or analyze the whole phenomenon, forget it, you weren't interested. Instead, you urged me to avoid 'victim consciousness', something that's apparently never plagued you. After all, like I said, you had no regrets.

I have to say that you were more than civil on the phone. Really, it's not as if you even know me and you WERE busy, I'm sure. In that respect, I have no complaints.

What does bother me, though, is that you personally seem to have engaged in some of the very revisionism I was objecting to when we spoke. I have in mind your recent entry in 'Perspectives' section of Elan Vital's website:

When I talk about Maharaji and the gift of Knowledge that he gave me, I always use the analogy of my treasured pearl necklace, each pearl being a person who has brought huge value to my life. These are the teachers, mentors and inspirations who have helped me identify important areas of my life that were still unexplored. When I meet these people, something clicks. Maharaji is a rare Tahitian pearl on that necklace of great gifts in my life.
I met Maharaji at the end of 1969. I was a hippie wanderer, traveling overland to India. I had a keen awareness of 'something missing', but would not have been able to tell you what was missing. I was not searching for a spiritual master or a technique of meditation. It was not until I met Maharaji and heard him speak that I began to feel pieces of the puzzle fall into place. It all started when I heard him address his huge audience as 'dear seekers of truth.'

Maharaji spoke to the importance of having a practical connection to a part of myself that is connected to…… whatever I call that life-force that is keeping me alive. His message shocked me because it was so different. This was not an intellectual pursuit. This was not a lifestyle. This was not an external practice, like rosaries or mantras. This was an offer to learn the 'how to' of practicing an inner focus on a daily basis.

The other thing that fit me perfectly about Maharaji's message was that he was not just offering a 'how to' and then leaving me on my own. I definitely needed support to be able to shift from a purely external focus to a more balanced menu, which included internal nourishment. Maharaji helped me see things differently, and opened up new possibilities in my life. I loved spending time with him, my heart bursting with the joy of what I was discovering!

I wouldn't call myself a disciplined person. I am an emotional person; more comfortable following my heart than making an action plan to make my dreams come true. This is another reason a competent teacher is such a treasure in my life. He reminds me where the rubber meets the road. If I really want a life where I feel a connection to something that I can always count on, then it is up to me to organize my life accordingly.

I call the time I practice Knowledge my 'quiet time.' It's the necessary break-time in my life that is increasingly filled with places to go, people to see, and things to do. I feel sincerely fortunate that Maharaji has offered me a method to find that quiet place, one that works for me.

I wouldn't say it's easy to practice Knowledge. It's daunting to be aware of the motor mouth of the mind. But it is simple. Even I can do it. The rewards? Maybe just that little inch of separation between my worries and me, which makes a huge difference in my life!

Joan, with all due respect, this account of how you got involved with Maharaji and who he is to you flies in the face of your earlier such account in the book 'Who Is Guru Maharaj Ji?' In fact, Joan, this seems to be the very kind of revisionism I was complaining about.

For example, whereas you earlier wrote:

This is a testimony. But really, without exaggerating, it is a scripture, for I have been graced and the Living Lord has found me, and so my experiences with Guru Maharaj Ji are the eternal experiences written by every soul in the past and will be written by every soul in the future who meets the embodiment of truth, pure consciousness, and bliss, receives his Knowledge, and lives under his universal shelter.

today, Maharaji, you suggest, is just one of a series of 'teachers, mentors and inspirations who have helped me identify important areas of my life that were still unexplored.'

See the difference? See my problem?

Even more troubling, in my opinion, is the discrepancy between your accounts of what you were doing in India at the time, how you came to Maharaji in the first place and how he initially impressed you. On EV's site, you say that you weren't 'looking for a spiritual teacher or meditation technique'. However, in the book, you explain, in great detail, how completely obsessed you were, then, with spirituality:

I had been walking from ashram to ashram, weeping quite a lot, reading scriptures and mourning.

Indeed, you detail the excruciating, perhaps even life-threatening spiritual malaise you were suffering and your desparation to find some relief. Your story is nothing if not the story of a young woman preoccupied with spirituality and relentlessly searching for spiritual guidance. It sounds like you haven't looked at what you wrote for the book in quite a while. Perhaps it's worth another look when you get a chance. After all, they're your words, not mine.

The disparity that struck me the most, however, in the two stories is how you deal with coming upon Maharaji and how he first impressed you. What you wrote for EV:

It was not until I met Maharaji and heard him speak that I began to feel pieces of the puzzle fall into place. It all started when I heard him address his huge audience as 'dear seekers of truth.'

is entirely at odds with what's in the book. There, a series of different 'spiritual seekers' including one of Maharaji's own mahatmas, tell you about Maharaji over a course of many months. Your interest is piqued a little further with each encounter. Then, after suffering what sounds like a severe emotional breakdown, you finally get packed off to see Maharaji with a letter of introduction from his mahatma stating that you 'would die' if you didn't get Knowledge. Finally, you arrive and are such a basket-case that you can do more than huddle, frightened, on his front lawn watching everyone else prostrate at his feet.

The point is, Joan, like everything else in Maharaji's world, your account for EV seems to be no more than a whitewash, a pack of lies tailored to sidestep the true nature of this cult. Here's how you ended your entry for EV:

I wouldn't say it's easy to practice Knowledge. It's daunting to be aware of the motor mouth of the mind. But it is simple. Even I can do it. The rewards? Maybe just that little inch of separation between my worries and me, which makes a huge difference in my life!

And here's how you ended your entry for the book:

Guru Maharaj Ji is pure and perfect. We can experience this purity and this perfection only from the divine manifestation of the soul, the Perfect Master. When I understood that Knowledge was the way that I could be constantly connected to him, internally and externally, I begged for Knowledge. And he gave me that entrance into the kingdom of heaven.

See my problem, Joan? Think about it.

Anyway, I should let you know that you've been the subject of some discussion over on the ex-premie forum:

http://www.ex-premie.org/forum5/main.cgi

Many people there think that you, personally, should be accountable for the part you played in rallying the troops. I, for one, think that, while that may be true, the real issue for you must be one of honesty. Wouldn't you like to come clean with your past, etc. etc.?

Trial by fire, Joan. It's the only way.

I'd add more but I'm running late for a wedding!

Sincerely,

Jim Heller


Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:35:44 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Well Done, Jim and more on Joan Apter....
Message:
I got a copy of 'Who is Guru Maharaj Ji' for $2 on Ebay a couple of months ago, but it kind of makes me nauseous to read it, but thanks for that.

One thing I wanted to point out about Joan that we might add to the questions to her. I'll have to say, I didn't know Joan well at all, but in the interactions I had with her, I kind of liked her. I also liked it when she gave satsang because she was energetic and entertaining and most other satsang, especially Maharaji's, was boring to the point of being lethal and since we were supposed to 'never delay in attending satsang,' Joan at least helped me stay awake.

But, in addition to her major role as cult-cheerleader, it should be pointed out that Joan also openly encouraged premies to go into debt to give money to Maharaji and I think she considered this part of her job, although I don't think it's on her current resume.

When I worked at IHQ in 1979, I was given the job partly to look at cult businesses and try to help develop them, and this kind of morphed into Jim Hession coming to my office trying to get me to locate premies with money to give to the Boeing 707 plane project. This was a never-ending operation -- raising money.

Anyway, in the Elan Vital headquarter's files I found a memo written to Elan Vital headquarters by Joan Apter in about 1972. It was a report from Joan about her tour of the East Coast, Boston, New York and Philadelphia, the purpose of which was fundraising for Maharaji. In addition to telling premies to fork over whatever they had, including to sell belongings, Joan came up with the idea of telling the premies to take out personal loans and to donate that money. (If you can believe it, this was before the proliferation of credit cards so Joan told the premies how to go out and borrow money from banks and loan companies.)

In her report, Joan said she found out that a bank would give an unsecured loan to a person with a job of, I think, $500 or $1,000 and that it would take 1-2 days. At her fundraising pitches, she got committments from people to take out the loans, and then she hung around and collected the money. She raved in the memo about how successful the fundraising was.

I wonder how many of those loans defaulted, how much Joan raised, and how this also squares with Joan's new position, that 'knoaledge' isn't about anything other than an 'connection inside.'

Also, I wonder how Joan got the idea that knowledge isn't 'an external practice,' especially since I personally heard Joan on numerous occasions get up in front of thousands of people and cajole them to 'practice' meditation, satsang and service, which, according to Joan back then, was necessary to have the experience of knowledge.

My question to Joan would be: when did you and/or Maharaji, change your mind about this?

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 09:41:45 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: jtucker@dircon.co.uk
To: Jim
Subject: Your email to Joan Apter ...
Message:
... is posted on the web at
http://www.jtucker.dircon.co.uk/JoansPearl.html

Hope that's OK.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 01:00:29 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: The Joan Apter Story - Director's Cut
Message:
Even more troubling, in my opinion, is the discrepancy between your accounts of what you were doing in India at the time, how you came to Maharaji in the first place and how he initially impressed you. On EV's site, you say that you weren't 'looking for a spiritual teacher or meditation technique'. However, in the book, you explain, in great detail, how completely obsessed you were, then, with spirituality

Joan gives us yet another version in the 1996 broadsheet 'Divine Times - Special Edition'


My introduction to Maharaji was in a restaurant in Afghanistan, back in 1970, when Sandy Collier wrote his Dehradun, India address in my address book. Sandy and her companion Ron Geaves, were on their way overland back to London, after having met Maharaji and received the techniques of Knowledge. Of course, I just filed this impression away and continued my overland journey to India.

I was 22 years old. I had left America when I was 20 and set out on my odyssey which would, three years later, end me up in India, at the doorstep of Maharaji's home in Dehradun. There was tons of synchronicity in the story. Not only meeting Sandy and Ron, but during my travels in India I kept bumping into 'sages' who would tell me in their consultations with me that I would find what I was looking for in Dehradun.

Finally, my travels landed me in the lower Himalayan village of Bageshwar. I was on my way to Lake Mansorovar in Tibet, but the Chinese occupation stopped me in Bageshwar. There, in a temple one rainy day, a strange saddhu opened up his metal suitcase, pulled out a poster of Maharaji in shining crown and red velvet coat, and said I should go to Dehradun.

Well, I may be crazy, but I'm not dumb. This time I went, straight away. I landed on Maharaji's front porch with a letter of introduction the saddhu had given me (he turned out to be one of Maharaji's travelling instructors).

I waited for Maharaji to come home from St. Joseph's Academy, where he was attending 5th grade. He was 12 years old. I was extremely nervous, and wanted to run out the gate. Finally a car came screeching into the gravel driveway. Everyone who was standing around hit the dirt, so I figured it was Maharaji. A blue-jacketed figure went dashing in the door.

Soon, Maharaji appeared, having changed into his white kurta and pajama outfit I came to love so well. He sat down in front of me and asked, 'What do you want?' My answer was what seemed like an infinity of crying. While I wept, Maharaji listened. I really felt I was telling him my whole story in tears, and that he was listening. Finally, when I subsided, he said, 'Ok. Your room is up there. Take rest and we will talk more later.' And off he went back inside the residence.

So began my one month stay with Maharaji. In that time I had the chance to talk with Maharaji almost every day on the porch after he came back from school. I argued and argued. Maharaji loved and loved. Finally, I was melted, and began to feel optimism and hope re-enter my life.

It goes on, becoming mushier by the word, but do let me know if you want the rest.

What a fun little newspaper that is. Jim let me know if you want to borrow it and I'll mail it to you.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:19:13 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Jim
Subject: My opionion on satsang
Message:
I have to remember not to mix beer and ice cream again while an active reader of this site. Keep your stomach and mind healthy is the rule here.

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 23:52:11 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: thank you for helping me with a memory
Message:
Thank you Jim for that post.
I thought I'd add a story. In my long journey after the 70's to get a career I worked during school at the only vegetarian restaurant at the time, as a waitress. I was awful!!

If you think my typos are bad imagine me keeping all the subsitutions straight. 'we want the lemon snapper special but we want tofu instead of fish. And could we have; and I am on a blah blah restricted diet so can you...'

The point of this story is the owner
She was very sweet and young and did a great job. She stayed with me even though I could not find my way around a champagne/harp sunday brunch or a regular day for that matter.

One time she confided in me she wanted to fire me but she could not because I wasn't like most of the premies that worked for her.
she had made a trip to India. She traveled around all the places Joan A. mentioned and was also told to seek the Maharaji, the boy guru. And to stay in the company of his followers.
She was smart I guess because she never did go for it even though she did hire a lot of premies and put up with their constant absences to attend darshan of their lord, but she watched and did NOT become a premie.
I've always wondered what kept her away but I'll never know.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 14:13:45 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: thank you for helping me with a memory
Message:
Selene:

Re:

She traveled around all the places Joan A. mentioned and was also told to seek the Maharaji, the boy guru. And to stay in the company of his followers.
She was smart I guess because she never did go for it even though she did hire a lot of premies and put up with their constant absences to attend darshan of their lord, but she watched and did NOT become a premie.

versus:

There, in a temple one rainy day, a strange saddhu opened up his metal suitcase, pulled out a poster of Maharaji in shining crown and red velvet coat, and said I should go to Dehradun.

Well, I may be crazy, but I'm not dumb.

A stranger pulls out a promotional poster of someone you've never seen, and tells you to go somewhere you've never been, and you consider it 'not dumb' to blindly do what you're told. No wonder people believe in crop circles.

--Scott

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 17:38:38 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Scott T.
Subject: hahaha good one
Message:
but,,, you do not believe in crop circles? I'm shocked :)

The thing that really impressed me was she spent years around premies and kept her wits about her. I wish I had that kind of common sense back then.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:28:49 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Great post,nice manner...think she'll respond?
Message:
Jim-I think you worded that e-mail to Joan nicely; challenging, a bit confronting, but definitely in the spirit of principled discussion about important things in the past.

I hope she responds, and I hope she reads some of MD's recent posts.

However, if she ever chose to be open and answer questions like MD has been, I think there would be an avalanche of questions for Joan that would be VERY confronting for her, as she was always one of the main cheerleaders for the lord, and seems to be one of the current 'revisionists'....

It would be very, very confronting for her to examine her role in this whole mess, and she has generally shown no interest in getting too real, or caring anything about other people...

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 01:16:56 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: Great post,nice manner...think she'll respond?
Message:
It'll be tough enough for her to face the facts about her and him.
The issue of other premies (and now ex) and her will be easy in camparison.

Good work St James.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 21:39:45 (GMT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You're a genius at this stuff (nt)
Message:
nt
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 22:09:14 (GMT)
From: jaet
Email: None
To: jim
Subject: good until the 'pack of lies' part
Message:
ya gotta watch that loss of control, jim. it crosses the line from questioning to accusation.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 22:54:03 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: jaet
Subject: Well I said 'it seems', didn't I? (nt)
Message:
hhhhhhh
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:22:46 (GMT)
From: Steven Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Jim
Subject: What the hell does 'hhhhhhh' mean?
Message:
What does 'hhhhhhh' and all those other 'cute' letter repetions mean? I feel that I'm missing out on some secret language.

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 19:06:08 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Steven Quint
Subject: That wasn't any secret language, Steve, this is
Message:
Found the following at http://4chatroom.4anything.com/network-frame/0,1855,2282-39855,00.html

Hope they're useful for reference.

Me? I prefer English.

.
.
.

The following abbreviations are commonly used on server lists and in chat rooms:

AFAIK as far as I know
AFK away from keyboard
AKA Also Known As
ASAP as soon as possible
BBL be back later
BBS be back soon
BEG big evil grin
BF boy friend
BRB be right back
BTW by the way
BWL bursting with laughter
C&G chuckle and grin
CID crying in disgrace
CNP continue in next post
CSG chuckle snicker grin
CYA see ya
CYAL8R see ya later
DLTBBB don't let the bed bugs bite
EG evil grin
EMSG email message
FAQ Frequently Asked Questions
FUBAR F***ed Up Beyond All Repair
FWIW For What It's Worth
FYI for your information
GF girl friend
GFN gone for now
GMBO giggling my butt off
GMTA great minds think alike
GTSY glad to see you
H&K hug and kiss
HAGN have a good night
HAG1 have a good one
HHIS hanging head in shame
IC I see
IYKWIM If You Know What I Mean
IGP I gotta pee
IMO in my opinion
IMHO in my humble opinion
IRL in real life
IWALY I will always love you
JK just kidding
JMO just my opinion
JTLYK just to let you know
KIT keep in touch
KMA kiss my a$$
KMB kiss my butt
KOTC kiss on the cheek
KOTL kiss on the lips
L8R later
L8R G8R later gator
LHM Lord help me
LHU Lord help us
LMAO laughing my a$$ off
LMBO laughing my butt off
LMHO laughing my head off
LOL laughing out loud
LSHMBB laughing so hard my belly is bouncing
LSHMBH laughing so hard my belly hurts
LTNS long time no see
LTS laughing to self
LUWAMH love you with all my heart
LY love ya
NETUA Nobody ever tells us anything
NTA Non-Technical Acronym
OBTW Oh, by the way
OIC oh, I see
OK abbreviation of oll korrect (all correct)
OL old lady(wife, girlfriend)
OM old man(husband, boyfriend)
OTOH On The Other Hand
OTTOMH off the top of my head
PDS please don't shoot
PM private message
PMJI Pardon My Jumping In (Another way for PMFJI)
PMFJI pardon me for jumping in
PMP peed my pants
POAHF put on a happy face
POOF I have left the chat
PS Post Script
QSL reply
QSO conversation
QT cutie
RE Hi Again (same as re's)
ROFL rolling on floor laughing
ROFLAPMP ...and peed my pants
ROFLMAO ...my a$$ off
ROFLMAOAY ......at you
ROFLMAOWTIME .......with tears in my eyes
ROFLUTS ...unable to speak
ROTFL Roll on The Floor Laughing
RTF Read The FAQ
RTFM Read The F****** Manual
(The above is the original, it was later
modified to:
Read The Fine Manual)
RTSM read the stupid manual
SETE smiling ear to ear
SHID slaps head in disgust
SNAFU Situation Normal, All F***ed Up
SO significant other
SOHF Sense Of Humor Failure
SPAM Stupid Persons' AdvertiseMent
SWAK sealed with a kiss
SWL screaming with laghter
SYS see you soon
TA thanks again
TIA Thanks In Advance
TOY thinking of you
TPTB The Powers That Be
TTFN ta ta for now
TTYL talk to you later
TX Thanx
WB welcome back
WRT With Respect To
WTF What/Who The F***?
WTH what/who the heck?
WYSIWYG What You See Is What You Get
YBS you'll be sorry
YG young gentleman
YL young lady
YM young man
YMMV Your Mileage May Vary
YWIA You're welcome in advance
*G* giggle or grin
*H* hug
*K* kiss
*S* Sob
*W* wink

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:29:18 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Steven Quint
Subject: What the hell does 'hhhhhhh' mean?
Message:
When you write nt at the end of your post. It means no text. But you can not display the post with the the message being blank. So people put all sort of things in the message box to get over this. It's like having a hangup after mixing ice cream with beer.

I better get ready for my first encounter with blubber. Catch up with you latter.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 02:23:08 (GMT)
From: blubber
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: It's short for 'hahahahahaha'
Message:
sdthhwth
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 04:33:12 (GMT)
From: Steven Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: blubber
Subject: Get A Brain
Message:
Where's the dictionary for this shit, or are you guys just trying to mind-fuck. Don't you think we at ex-premie.org have had enough mind-fucking for a hundred lifetimes or so.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 11:22:51 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Steven Quint
Subject: try it:type only in the subject line and see
Message:
honestly steven...pay attention when we answer you! quit bitching and learn how things work. not everything is in the damned dictionary!

once again-- since you did'nt get it, the first time:

this forum has a code written for how it will accept posts. it expects something to be written in each empty box it provides you. if it does not find text in the boxes, it has been programmed to refuse to go to the next screen, until there is something put in each box provided. This was done so that you would not inadvertently overlook anything you meant to include. unfortunately, the code does not have a provision for a posting in which the writer gets all they want to say, to fit in the subject line, and therefore does not need to write in the text box. this is a no-text (NT) posting.when you go to send the posting to the board, the code checks your entry for omissions, mistakes and corrections, and upon finding a field blank, will stop the screen with a warning popup that tells you what it found in error. You know that it is not an error. you know that you have composed it the way you meant to. but the forum server is not that smart. it discovers that no text was entered in the box provided and will not go forward until it gets something in that field. so you hit a few random keys and shut it up. it doesnt care what they are. its happy as long as it finds anything there. the person writing may have something in mind or they may not. there is no mind fuck going on.this is simply the reality of dealing with the limits of the internet. listen, learn a few things, and put your dictonary away.

books only try to follow life. life does not follow any book

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 13:20:01 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: janet
Subject: try it:type only in the subject line and see
Message:
Try English lessons. I don't understand a word you're saying.

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 11:49:35 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: and do not take notice of blubber.........nt
Message:
nt
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 20:14:03 (GMT)
From: blubber
Email: None
To: Steven Quint
Subject: Get Another hobby-nt-hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Message:
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 19:42:38 (GMT)
From: TED Farkel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Mr. eDrek-your services are needed re:Frampton....
Message:
Dear Mr. eDrek-I don't want to take up much of your time either, as I realize you are doing important things too, although you are probably not quite as important as Mr. Dettmers...

But you seem to possess extraordinary computer skills, and because of that, here is my proposition to you, son...

If Mr. Dettmers can remember our lord's favorite Frampton tune, would you be so kind as to make us a little web page with mr.m perhaps tokin and groovin to ole Pete Frampton?

Since you can make one with pinnochio pullin his johnson while watching mr. m dance topless, I figured one with mr. m passin a doobie and diggin ole Pete Frampton would be cute, and add a little historical background to the site.

All the best,
TED Farkel
(searching for the old box of 70's albums right now...)

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 14:48:01 (GMT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: TED Farkel
Subject: Mr. eDrek-your services are needed re:Frampton....
Message:
Since you can make one with pinnochio pullin his johnson while watching mr. m dance topless, I figured one with mr. m passin a doobie..

!

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 21:25:15 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: TED Farkel
Subject: Mr. eDrek-your services are needed re:Frampton....
Message:
Dear Mr. Farkel,

When I was in the premie band in Hartford, CT, we were never allowed to choose our own songs. That was done by the community coordinator at the time, Steve Bottaro.

When we were looking at songs by Frampton, there was one that I can't remember the title of but it's lyrics included the lines...

...I want yooooooou..to show me the way...every day...

Can't remember much more, but we hooked onto that one, as well as other songs that were deemed appropriate to sing at satsang programs. One I distinctly remember was *In the Presence of the Lord* by Eric Clapton which he wrote for *Blind Faith*.

Best,
Cynthia

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 21:28:59 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: TED Farkel
Subject: Hmmmmm..'Blind Faith'...we didn't get the hint(nt)
Message:
ny
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 22:17:02 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Hmmmmm..'Blind Faith'...we didn't get the hint
Message:
while you're at it, how bout the lyrics to 'can't find my way home'...?


to wit:

“come down off your throne,
and leave your money home...
somebody must change


you are the reason
I've been waiting so long
etc...


it should be our theme song.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:08:03 (GMT)
From: Steve Q.
Email: sequint@home.com
To: janet
Subject: Hmmmmm..'Blind Faith'...we didn't get the hint
Message:
Another Winwood fan! I used to own practically every CD he put out, including the 'Blind Faith' live album.

What else do we have in common?

Steve

P.S. Did you ever see 'Benny & Joon'? The Joe Cocker version of 'Can't Find My Way Home' was awesome. That was a great quote. Thank you.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 02:08:47 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Steve Q.
Subject: In FULL Beatles harmony:
Message:
He's a real nowhere man
Living in his nowhere land
Making all his nowhere plans
For nobody

Doesn't have a point of view
Knows not where he's going to
Nowhere man's a bit like
You and me.

I adore the Beatles. I loved John Lennon. That's another thing goomraji took away from me. It was DAYS!!! before I heard of his death. I found out about it when I went to work and saw the cover of Time magazine. I got so confused...shocked...what? John Lennon was what??? I buried it and went to my desk.

What??? I was afraid I would be betraying goomraji by even reading the magazine!!!

But I did finally read it, and felt so sad, but no one really talked much about it at the ashram in terms of having a real loss. John Lennon was a favorite of mine, still is. He gave me a great dose of skepticism as well as love and bravery...along with so many greats to list...Steve Winwood, Clapton, Hendrix, Janis, Joni, Stones, David Crosby, the Who, too many to fit in this small space....so many great musicians I had the honor of hearing and seeing in my youth before goomraji.

Have fun,
Cynthia

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 23:11:55 (GMT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: In FULL Beatles harmony:
Message:
Yeah, I wasn't under such constraints. I was living on Prospect St. in Hartford (near The Spigot) by then, completely away from the premie scene. The night John Lenon was shot was a long one for me; I stayed in my room and watched the commentary on TV. I grieved with the nation. It was devastating:

They shot a musician.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 11:00:06 (GMT)
From: JTF
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: When Lennon was killed.....
Message:
we were at a cult event on Miami Beach.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 20:38:17 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: JTF
Subject: You sure it was Miami?
Message:
As I recall, we were definitely at a festival somewhere. I remember watching the news in the hotel room (the ashram didn't have a tv.) But where were we? Something east coast, that's for sure.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 21:36:42 (GMT)
From: JTF
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You sure it was Miami?
Message:
I'm pretty sure it was Miami. My memory gives me a picture of walking down Collins Ave. and seeing a tabloid headline of the killing.
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 17:14:57 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: JTF
Subject: You sure it was Miami?
Message:
Hi JTF,

I was in Gainesville ashram at the time of John Lennon's murder, so I think we would have been in Miami, too. Wasn't he shot around m's birthday in Dec. 1980? Maybe it was around that time, and you were still in Miami.

Best,
Cynthia

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 04:35:35 (GMT)
From: Steven Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Cynthia and Everyone
Subject: Amazing Disgrace
Message:
Isn't it amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing that there are no laws against this turd-man.

Steve

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 22:40:17 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Come Down Off Your Thrown...
Message:
Dear janet,

You've got that right. I forgot about that song. It fits perfectly...'leave your money home...sombody must change.'

I love it.

Thanks!

Cynthia

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 02:37:20 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: + leave your body alone, somebody holds the key(nt
Message:
nt
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 19:36:08 (GMT)
From: TED Farkel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Mr. Dettmers,which Frampton tune was that?
Message:
Dear Mr. Dettmers- I don't want to waste your time, as I know you are doing important things, but I just had one question for you from ole country boy TED.

When you and the other PAM'S were busy sharing a doobie with our lord, do you remember specifically WHICH Frampton tune our lord liked the best?

And is it true that he would bogart the joint?

Just wonderin,
TED Farkel
(I sure missed the exciting days.These video feeds are a little tame...)

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 15:38:28 (GMT)
From: Michael Dettmers
Email: dettmers@gylanix.com
To: TED Farkel
Subject: Mr. Dettmers,which Frampton tune was that?
Message:
TED

The album was 'Frampton Comes Alive'. I recall a cut with the lyrics 'Can you feel it?' but that's all I remember.

No, he didn't bogart the joint, but he never accepted a joint that had been toked on by anyone but Marolyn. Only certain people got to roll the doobies. It was a kind of sacred ritual with one cardinal rule - saliva must never be used to seal the joint.

Michael

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 22:25:02 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Michael Dettmers
Subject: Where did Maharaji get his dope? (nt)
Message:
nt
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:34:17 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: Michael Dettmers
Subject: What did you seal the doobies
Message:
with? Nectar?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 18:31:21 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Michael Dettmers
Subject: who directed Boogie Nights?
Message:
whoever did, he has to do the film of the guru story

This has been an ongoing theme here...but I just see this film so vividly when reading this post...

show the PAMs and the LOTU gathered in the Living Room tokin to Frampton Comes Alive...

then cut to Darhsan line the next day, or the Mala dance ( think of the Oscar for best costume design here)

please, we have to sell this idea...I have to see this film!

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 19:57:58 (GMT)
From: michael eisner
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: who directed Boogie Nights?Possible stars...
Message:
who would play m?
and the other major players?

I'm thinking:

m-danny devito
john miller-corbin benson
john hampton-tom berenger
ira woods-martin landau
joan apter-lucille ball
arthur brigahm-james spader
marolyn-michelle pfeifer
bill patterson-whoever played herman munson

any other ideas?

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:08:58 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: michael eisner
Subject: no, it has to be the '70s
Message:
for the production art value

Holi, the Mala, Darshan tunnels, token with the Lord at the res, security guys, bongos, guys in suits with big mustaches,

god the clothes would be fun

I want a scene of a Darshan tunnel, the greeters, fainting the fainting room, and then I want people counting the dough from the envelopes and Rawat going out to toke or whatever after. ( eat cheese?)

The actor for Rawat HAS to be a 13-16 year old fat little Indian kid. There is no other way to get the ludicrousness we need when he does the love scene with I say...Gwynyth Paltrow or Cameron Diaz. We want about a 25 year old,ethereal, blonde woman for Durga Ji.

Oh, please , some filmaker make this happen. It would be a work of ART!

And talk about pissing off the guru....or maybe it would help him? Things can't get much worse for him I hear.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:52:12 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: no, it has to be the '70s
Message:
I have 'Actual' experience with making his costumes!!!

Pay me enough, Mr. Eisner, and I'll be costume designer. Gold thread embroidered on krishna pants, making malas--the whole works.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:11:23 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Michael Eisner
Subject: this doesn't strike me as a Disney flick
Message:
but while we are at it could you get me an imagineering jacket?
Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:29:50 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Michael
Subject: but!
Message:
if Michael you do decide to Produce 'Darshan Dreams' maybe you could spin it of at Walt Disneyworld with 'Guru Cult: the EXPERIENCE'

I am not sure it would be an e ticket though. well, maybe..

The guests can queue through a Darshan tunnel, smell gardenia blossoms, walk on a soft carpet, and then 'kiss' the feet as someone whisks them away. The cast members can play all the essential roles, security ( I think that you could make a dress code exception and let them have mustaches for the theme )It works too because the line becomes part of the ride. Just as it was. Cool huh?

I think after the guest kisses the feet he should drop down a big tunnel, ( sort of like being John Malkovitch) and then get to be Michael Dettmers! Suddenly you are now in the Divine Living Room toking with the Lord! Peter Frampton is blasting. But your seat is really a roller coaster.....and next you are sent a the speed of light ( light!!!) through a giant roller coaster....along the way you see scary things Mahatmas, Joan Apter, David Smith, rotting vegetables...this part is like Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory's boat ride...or the scene in the Wizard of Oz where the house is spinning

Holi! yes, it is a WATER ride....the guest is then blasted with perfumed colored water to the theme 'Do Ya think I'm Sexy' after you go by the Animatronic guru with a water gun and get squirted

the finale will be ALA Splash Mountain as your SWAN car goes down a flume of colored water and you land softly on a big Lotus Flower!

Well, get back to me Michael. I think it would be quite a ride.

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 18:34:17 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: I've heard of being 'taken for a ride', but ...
Message:
that would take the biscuit.

You've got some great ideas there, Susan.

Would you believe the Maharishi is apparently building his own themepark in Canada? VedaLand he's calling it!

For info and/or curiosity go to http://www.vedaland.com/

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 19:12:23 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: um...is that a joke?
Message:
I can't tell. Oh my god I didn't think anyone would actually do such a thing...tell me that is a spoof.

Yes, I had fun dreaming up that ride!

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 20:19:52 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: um...is that a joke?
Message:
No joke, Susan, according to the following:

From http://www.indiaabroadonline.com/PublicAccess/ia-05052000/IndiaWorld/Vedal.html

.
.

Vedaland park project to go ahead near Niagara

By AJIT JAIN

TORONTO -- Internationally acclaimed Canadian magician Doug Henning's dream project, a $2.3 billion theme park based on Hindu spiritualism and magical
illusion near Niagara Falls, Ontario, is expected to take shape even though he himself has died.

Henning had hit upon the idea of the unique theme park -- to be called Maharishi Vedaland -- after becoming a follower of spiritual guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
more than a decade ago. The magician, 52, died of liver cancer in February.

'The project will go ahead. Doug designed the project and finished his work and the illusions he intended to put into it,' said Vedaland Canada's vice president Bob
Pepper. 'In his final hours he conveyed some final thoughts on how it would proceed and hoped we would proceed.'

The project was conceived and announced in 1992. Niagara Falls, Ont., Mayor Wayne Thomson, who enthusiastically supported the theme park proposal, said
after Henning's death that the project had not actually started yet. He said representatives of the theme park have kept in touch with city officials for planning and
zoning updates. 'They never called to say the project was dead, or to say they had stopped working on it,' Thomson was quoted as saying in reports.


.
.
.

http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/99/41/first-lowery.shtml is good too (and far more cynical).

Return to Index -:- Top of Index

Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 17:19:09 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Michael Dettmers
Subject: Mr. Dettmers,which Frampton tune was that?
Message:
Hello Michael,

Interesting that no saliva was to be used to roll a joint. But, premies would gush to have prassad (sp?) off of his plate!!

:)))

Thanks,
Cynthia

Return to Index -:- Top of Index