Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Sat, Dec 16, 2000 at 21:05:25 (GMT)
From: Nov 23, 2000 To: Dec 14, 2000 Page: 2 Of: 5


Buzz -:- brain lobes -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 07:26:44 (GMT)
__ Stonor -:- Looks like a wild and crazy site! Thanks Buzz (nt) -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 15:57:39 (GMT)

Sir David -:- Happy birthday Maharaji -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 00:32:28 (GMT)
__ a0aji -:- Nice post - love is all you need -nt- -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 09:12:14 (GMT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Hi aOaji, how are you? I miss you.....(nt) -:- Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 00:12:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ a0aji -:- Ha, I missed you when you were single! -nt- -:- Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 04:55:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- a0aji, you've made me blush...:)) (nt) -:- Tues, Dec 12, 2000 at 18:56:22 (GMT)
__ bill -:- Happy birthday Maharaji -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:00:55 (GMT)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Flax seeds and long necks -:- Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 10:26:06 (GMT)
__ __ Sammy -:- Happy birthday Maharaji -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:12:14 (GMT)
__ bill -:- fuck you rawat -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:43:49 (GMT)
__ __ Yes -:- fuck you rawat -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:51:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- Me me me -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:31:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Amean -:- M is a FUCKING bad virus -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:40:28 (GMT)
__ suchabanana -:- The toys and devotion did't heal loss of his dad -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:28:02 (GMT)
__ __ Gee -:- totally -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 16:02:48 (GMT)
__ __ Pat -:- The toys and devotion did't heal loss of his dad -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:43:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ such -:- Yes, agreed. Obviously - you don't understand (nt) -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 07:29:03 (GMT)
__ Tim G -:- Know Thyself -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:27:14 (GMT)
__ __ bill -:- accepting reality as it actually is. -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:51:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ Yes -:- accepting reality as it actually is. -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:54:05 (GMT)
__ __ Owl -:- Know Thyself -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:55:40 (GMT)
__ Owl -:- Happy birthday Maharaji -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:06:02 (GMT)
__ __ Tim G -:- Happy birthday Maharaji -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 11:13:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ Owl -:- Happy birthday Maharaji -:- Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 04:15:15 (GMT)
__ __ Sir David -:- Happy birthday Maharaji -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:36:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ Owl -:- Happy birthday Maharaji -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:20:44 (GMT)
__ __ Disculta -:- Happy birthday Maharaji -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:31:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ just curious -:- Disculta-what's MCS? (nt) -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:10:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Disculta-what's MCS? (nt) -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 04:15:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Disculta -:- Yes, plus Multiple Cultic Sensitivity too! nt. -:- Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 05:31:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Don't leave home without it! nt. -:- Tues, Dec 12, 2000 at 06:24:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Sure thing -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:48:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Sue -:- Sure thing -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:23:52 (GMT)

Cynthia -:- Ladies and Gents: Mr. Prempal Rawat! -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 23:36:14 (GMT)
__ cq -:- Ladies and Gents: Mr. Prempal Rawat! -:- Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 20:06:50 (GMT)
__ suchabanana -:- I pity him; compassion for everyone else. peace(nt -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 00:44:36 (GMT)
__ __ bill -:- I curse him. (nt -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:45:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- I curse him. -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 04:06:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Salam -:- I curse him. -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 14:35:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ such -:- Tugs-of-war: Pain/Anger + - Healing. PEACE NOW!(nt -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 07:39:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- To: suchabanana: Tugs-of-war -:- Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 00:11:13 (GMT)

kapiladev das -:- anyone experience a phychic attack from rawat? -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 12:29:52 (GMT)
__ JohnT -:- Er, no. But I've done my best... -:- Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 13:32:03 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- The truth at last. -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 09:34:55 (GMT)
__ __ ca -:- to Shri Anthyogeshwarsasgoodsmine ... -:- Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 20:12:22 (GMT)
__ toby -:- do you remember -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 18:49:52 (GMT)
__ Hal -:- Psychic protection kit - skepticism ! nt -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 17:40:13 (GMT)
__ Salam -:- I had an encounter with Rawat this week -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 13:08:17 (GMT)
__ __ Paul Nair -:- I had an encounter with Rawat this week -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 19:31:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Lighten Up Paul -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 11:03:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- I had an encounter with Rawat this week -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:10:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ Tim G -:- I had an encounter with Rawat this week -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 20:04:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ Lesley -:- To Paul Nair -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 19:52:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Tim G -:- To Paul Nair -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 20:08:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Disculta -:- Hey Timji -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:18:55 (GMT)

Jean-Michel -:- The Jagdeo Issue: now online on EPO!!! -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 08:44:29 (GMT)
__ janet -:- The Jagdeo Issue: now online on EPO!!! -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 11:46:13 (GMT)
__ __ Kelly -:- A review of the facts -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 13:01:22 (GMT)
__ Kelly -:- A Birthday gift to the 'Perfect Shyster' -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 00:09:53 (GMT)
__ Brian -:- The Jagdeo Issue: now online on EPO!!! -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 21:39:23 (GMT)
__ __ Cynthai -:- The Jagdeo Issue: now online on EPO!!! -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 22:58:18 (GMT)
__ goblin faced astrologer -:- The birthday stars are dark oh lord-nt -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 14:28:19 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- A lovely birthday present for Rawat. -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 08:52:29 (GMT)
__ __ A question for Anth -:- How often did Jagdeo stay at Wringford? (Nt) -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 11:42:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- How often did Jagdeo stay at Wringford? (Nt) -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 11:50:17 (GMT)

Gee -:- Don't despair - sort it out -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 23:30:34 (GMT)
__ Interfering -:- Don't despair - sort it out -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 08:37:22 (GMT)
__ __ Gee -:- Don't despair - sort it out -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 15:01:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ Curious George -:- Abuse from high-up -:- Tues, Dec 12, 2000 at 21:06:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ John -:- Don't despair - sort it out -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 00:25:13 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Hi Gee -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 08:11:24 (GMT)
__ __ Gee -:- Hi Gee -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 15:23:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- New Age Old Age -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 10:18:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Steve Quint -:- New Age Old Age -:- Tues, Dec 12, 2000 at 15:32:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Salam -:- New Age Old Age -:- Tues, Dec 12, 2000 at 15:16:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ Sore Ear -:- Hi Gee -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:59:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ la-ex -:- Hi Gee/a few questions for you... -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 16:37:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Gee -:- expanding on your query -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 15:43:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Gee, you overgeneralize, IMO -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 16:09:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Hal -:- What is remote viewing? nt -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 16:41:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- It's when... -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 10:42:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- What is remote viewing? nt -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 16:51:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Many thanks Stonora -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 17:19:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Here's another for you Hal, -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 17:27:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- I owe you cq -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 20:00:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- thanks Chris -- -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 17:36:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Your thoughts for today (well, it's nearly Xmas!) -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 18:28:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Your thoughts for today (well, it's nearly Xmas!) -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 19:52:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- A good dump is a wondrous thing ... -:- Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 18:30:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ ham -:- Your thoughts for today (well, it's nearly Xmas!) -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 20:00:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Hal -:- Oh Ham ! Nice to hear from you... -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 20:03:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ ham -:- Good man :) (nt) -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 20:12:43 (GMT)
__ Daneane -:- Promises, Promises -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 00:24:24 (GMT)
__ __ Gee -:- Reply to Promises, Promises -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 15:33:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ Bin Liner -:- Your Bhuddist response........ -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 00:14:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Daneane -:- Boatmen rock -:- Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 08:40:38 (GMT)
__ Tim G -:- Don't despair - sort it out -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 23:56:30 (GMT)
__ __ Disculta -:- Welcome Gee, and -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 03:19:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Great Post Disculta -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 09:01:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ Tonette -:- I wish you lived next door -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 04:58:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Bin Liner -:- A non issue for 15 years.......... -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:31:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Gee -:- I wish you lived next door -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 14:55:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ ulf -:- next door help(no grandiosity thanks!!!!!) nt. -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 18:00:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Did you do that fart? -:- I wish you lived next door -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:51:50 (GMT)

RT -:- SATsong: Hotel Kali Yuga.... Happy Holidays! -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 22:50:36 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- That was awesome!!!!!!! -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:11:28 (GMT)
__ Aussi Ji -:- SATsong: Hotel Kali Yuga.... Happy Holidays! -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 03:04:33 (GMT)
__ __ kapiladev das -:- SATsong: Hotel Kali Yuga.... Happy Holidays! -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 04:34:56 (GMT)
__ bazza -:- SATsong: Hotel Kali Yuga.... Happy Holidays! -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 02:11:36 (GMT)
__ bill -:- Glad you are feeling better RT! -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 00:33:39 (GMT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Hi bill:)) RT, you made my day -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:06:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ bill -:- You DO know RT Cynthia -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:34:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- You DO know RT Cynthia...bill, can you email me? -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 22:21:40 (GMT)
__ ulf -:- ex premie songs -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 23:06:51 (GMT)
__ __ janet -:- michael Bolton is an ex premie -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 06:14:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- janet: michael Bolton is an ex premie -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 22:32:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ bill -:- janet: michael Bolton is an ex premie -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:14:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- bill, I can picture her doing that so clearly:))nt -:- Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 00:20:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- and suchabanana's been in the biz for a while ... -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 17:21:35 (GMT)
__ __ Tim G -:- ex premie songs -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 00:02:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ RT -:- ex premie songs - A CD available in 2001? -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 16:33:54 (GMT)

Jerry -:- Mark Knopfler (ot) -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 18:46:45 (GMT)
__ Mark -:- hey! THANKS GUYS -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 22:30:31 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Dire Straits (ot) -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 08:13:27 (GMT)
__ brian -:- Mark Knopfler (ot) -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 19:47:02 (GMT)

Joe -:- Anyone seen Urbania? (OT) -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 18:23:13 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Phew.(OT) -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 11:56:40 (GMT)

Marianne -:- Hey Nigel! -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 18:11:12 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- Aussie, Aussie, Aussie...Oy! Oy! Oy! -:- Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 06:44:28 (GMT)
__ Cynthia -:- Hey Nigel! -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 22:43:15 (GMT)

jondon -:- The MacVitties -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 17:26:55 (GMT)

Oliver -:- It was twenty years ago today... -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 13:05:59 (GMT)
__ a0aji -:- And of course Henry The Horse is dancing the waltz -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 09:59:34 (GMT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- O...aOaji...I think you were a generation that... -:- Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 00:25:04 (GMT)
__ suchabanana -:- check out m. himself on Sgt. Pepper's album cover! -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 20:04:49 (GMT)
__ __ Jerry -:- Not quite, suchie -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 22:16:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- I could have sworn I posted something here ... -:- Tues, Dec 12, 2000 at 19:09:49 (GMT)
__ Jerry -:- Sergeant Pepper taught the band to play! -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 18:21:40 (GMT)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Ringo -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 20:59:19 (GMT)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Sergeant Pepper taught the band to play! -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 20:40:33 (GMT)
__ Joy -:- It was twenty years ago today... -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 17:04:50 (GMT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Joy, I was at that party in Miami -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:20:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ suchabanana -:- Turn off your mind, relax, and float downstream... -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 07:12:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jerry -:- Turn off your mind, relax, and float downstream... -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 22:34:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ such -:- If you click on that face, no URL link appears(nt) -:- Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 00:52:59 (GMT)
__ __ Tim G -:- It was twenty years ago today... -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 17:20:11 (GMT)
__ __ Disculta -:- It was twenty-nine years ago today... -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 17:18:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ Tim G -:- It was twenty-nine years ago today... -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 17:23:44 (GMT)

JTF -:- Anthony(Tony) Robbins-like rawat? -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 12:17:14 (GMT)
__ Happy -:- Anthony(Tony) Robbins-like rawat? -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 15:32:33 (GMT)
__ __ JTF -:- Thanks, Happy(nt) -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 07:38:21 (GMT)

kapiladev -:- ramat used his phychic powers on me -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 11:33:00 (GMT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Where the power really lies -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:30:06 (GMT)
__ Jethro -:- ramat used his phychic powers on me -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 16:24:23 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Questions for you kapildev -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 13:31:48 (GMT)
__ __ janet -:- i second these motions -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 06:26:14 (GMT)
__ __ kapiladev das -:- Questions for you kapildev -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 04:13:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- psychic powers and a satsang story -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 08:24:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ janet the bongo -:- i would tend to think the weight did not.. -:- Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 07:37:53 (GMT)
__ Tim G -:- ramat used his phychic powers on me -:- Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 12:38:16 (GMT)


Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 07:26:44 (GMT)
From: Buzz
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: brain lobes
Message:
http://www.h2net.net/p/nslade/
Not sure if this area has been discussed already.
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 15:57:39 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Buzz
Subject: Looks like a wild and crazy site! Thanks Buzz (nt)
Message:
Thanks Buzz.
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 00:32:28 (GMT)
From: Sir David
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Everyone
Subject: Happy birthday Maharaji
Message:
As I've stated here already, I really don't think that Rawat possesses any hidden powers other than what people have given him themselves. If a person has a bad experience, (as we all do from time to time) it is short sighted to blame this on a little Indian man called Mr Rawat, who knows nothing of our existence.

I've had some bad experiences. I've had a heart attack, I've nearly died several times and I've been beset by misfortune and tragedy at times in my life when I least could cope with it. But this is not unique to the human condition and many people the world over have really tough times.

If anyone is afraid or worried about so called psychic attack, it's useful to remember that the power of love is stronger than any evil power. If anyone believes in a spirit world or another dimension besides this one, then one is immediately protected from any evil forces by the power of love which is there for the asking.

A simple act of prayer, not necessarily in the formal sense, but just asking for help from some unknown force that you hope is there to help you - such a prayer or a request for help is very powerful indeed and no evil power can possibly touch you or dare come anywhere near you when you call upon the power of love to help you.

This said, I don't believe Maharaji is evil. Certainly I have encountered far more dangerous people in my life amongst the gangster population of South London. And even they are prone to be affected by this power of love which I've mentioned. As we all are.

The most hardened tough guy needs to be understood and appreciated. John Lennon said an amazing thing once, when asked by Sir David Frost about why he believed in peace and love when Adolf Hitler headed a movement based upon the exact opposite - where would your peace and love work in his case? David Frost asked John.

And John said, that if someone had been tellng Adolf Hitler that they loved him from the day he was born and for all of his life - he would have turned out to be a very different peron.

Maharaji has not experienced much real love. That is my humble assessment. And so his perception of things is distorted and paranoid. He cannot really open up and be honest with the many people who look to him for love and guidance. So it is a sad irony that he speaks about love and yet is starved of it himself.

But such things happen. In the currency of simple love and appreciation, there are no great teachers or people who have it made. We are all prone to the ups and downs, trials and tribulations of life. There are no millinaires in that currency. Even the most adored film stars can be sad and lonely people in their private lives. The people who appear to have it made have often confounded people by taking their own lives.

We people here, were brought together not by Maharaji but by our common desire to know a deeper meaning and purpose to our lives. Maharaji actually put walls up between people. But we are the people who wanted to tear down those barriers between us and our fellow humans. Often for me, when I was a premie, I felt the deepest love for my fellow 'people in the world' who I wanted to share my dream with.

I guess I still have that dream and it will never go away. It is part of me. And my dear friends, it is a part of us all here, whatever our current premie/ex-premie status. We all share a wonderful affinity.

.. Dave

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 09:12:14 (GMT)
From: a0aji
Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com
To: Sir David
Subject: Nice post - love is all you need -nt-
Message:
Love is all you need.. nt
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Date: Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 00:12:54 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: Hi aOaji, how are you? I miss you.....(nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 04:55:48 (GMT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Ha, I missed you when you were single! -nt-
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Dec 12, 2000 at 18:56:22 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: a0aji, you've made me blush...:)) (nt)
Message:
ny
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:00:55 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Sir David
Subject: Happy birthday Maharaji
Message:
May you live a long life SIR DAVID!
If you have heart issues, take essential oils!
DOyou get many?
DO You eat fish some times? Olives? Flax oil?
I will post a thread on the subject for you.

I hope You will not be put off at all by my birthday dumping in your thread here.
I did understand your points and know your writing very well.
Lord knows how many posts of yours I have read!
and enjoyed and agreed with and learned from.
Giraffe

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Date: Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 10:26:06 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: Flax seeds and long necks
Message:
Thanks Bill. The olive oil and fish oils I already have in plentiful supply but I'm glad you reminded me of the flax because I read somewhere that this is useful for people with CFS too.

I never guessed the giraffe was you!

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:12:14 (GMT)
From: Sammy
Email: sh@
To: bill
Subject: Happy birthday Maharaji
Message:
I do not care if he is put off at your dumping on M, who gives a shit?

He sounds as if he does indeed have Hart problems as well as Brain problems as well as other problems.

O' well who is perfect? Not that that ASS! Not M.!!

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:43:49 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Sir David
Subject: fuck you rawat
Message:
Narcissists come in some variation, our lords life was filled with love from day one. Since he was worshipped, as bal bhagwan ji's boys are today, their delusion of who they are runs them straight into the web of narcissism.

Playing god, taking open hearts and blasting them with drunken tirades, cruelly playing tricks on people that I could list but a number of people here know the stories I would mention so I dont want to type them, knowing you are not god and STILL leading people on to think that you are master of life and that there is not a god but the master, having choice yet choosing to
be greedy to the extreme, knowing better yet lying to suit your own ends, coldly turning from your own family for the rest of thier lives, CHOOSING to let your ego trip and narcissistic
power domination over others continue and lying about your
self and insisting that you are master of life to continue
having slaves, IS EVIL.

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:51:11 (GMT)
From: Yes
Email: 8
To: bill
Subject: fuck you rawat
Message:
I do not believe in the religious connotation of good and evil, but if you mean he is a real FUCKING SHIT HEAD, I agree.
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:31:22 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Yes
Subject: Me me me
Message:
Rawat you meathead. Fuck you too. I love hating you. Please come in my toilet.

Have a bad day you sucker.

Salam@rawat.sucks

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:40:28 (GMT)
From: Amean
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: M is a FUCKING bad virus
Message:
M is a Fucking Bad Virus!
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:28:02 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Sir David
Subject: The toys and devotion did't heal loss of his dad
Message:
Dave,

I like your sentiments here.

I personally still meditate.
I like a lot of the (ex)premies I've known in my life.
I pray to a higher power within.

Many of us gave m. our love, devotion, trust, and money. Meanwhile, he and his org (DLM/EVI) abused the gifts and the givers of the gifts.

Frankly, I think he has never gotten over the loss of his dad when he was young. He has tried to fill that vacuum of fatherly love. Like a lot of misguided kids today, unfortunately.

I'm actually a bit embarrassed for using some strong language in a recent post, but like others, I have also been through a lot of pain - due to my association with m. and to the corresponding costs to my personal and professional life. The breach of trust was/is hard to forgive - 'no cheat and deceit.'

But, perhaps he knows not what he does.

I pray that the energy of [God] will heal, guide, and protect us all. I really do.

Peace,

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 16:02:48 (GMT)
From: Gee
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: totally
Message:
Father transference is what gets people sucked in. An interesting projection from M on to them.
Four and a half million lost bunnies.
Pointis, you can do without a daddy once you hit your teens abut a lot of us got stuck there.
Devotion? grow up.
You're not suchabanana, you've spotted the chubby one.
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:43:15 (GMT)
From: Pat
Email: .
To: suchabanana
Subject: The toys and devotion did't heal loss of his dad
Message:
I do not understand your reference to a higher power?????

Also you talk about praying????? to what? or what? WHAT?

WHAT?

I have trouble with understanding my 3 year old also.

Maybe it is a language thing.

I pray or belive that I hope that that maybe if that I pray hard enough or belive the good way that is that that (lol), O never mind.

Or maybe you should!


Do you get the JOKE!??????????

Or the point.

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 07:29:03 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: Pat
Subject: Yes, agreed. Obviously - you don't understand (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:27:14 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: timgitti@indigo.ie
To: Sir David
Subject: Know Thyself
Message:
Beautiful and true Sir Dave
The world is the church, the people we meet the teachers and what goes down the teaching...anything less is divisive.So it comes back to that old chestnut 'know yourself'.
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:51:53 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Tim G
Subject: accepting reality as it actually is.
Message:
I can try to paint this life as this or that and make
assumptions about folks and behaviour.

The evidence does not support a view that harmony is attainable or in fact desirable.

All efforts at harmony reveal themselves to just be another style of fenceing that corrals the same humans and the exact same humnan nature issues.

Certainly some fences are nicer and are improvements over others.
Yet, to face human nature square on and to accept it and deal with it as it is without pretense is the more adult approach.

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:54:05 (GMT)
From: Yes
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: accepting reality as it actually is.
Message:
Yes--------Yes and YES!
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:55:40 (GMT)
From: Owl
Email: whatever@whatever.com
To: Tim G
Subject: Know Thyself
Message:
The World is not a church it is a World, your church connotation has religious mind setting belief hoping implications that are good for fairytales and we do not need any more fairytales instead of honest and clear thinking......

Teachers are as I see it those that share their gift of information and not those that put forth their religious beliefs and it is up to we the students to learn from accepting or rejecting this that is put forth as we live....

Know yourself....., not exactly, more like to be your self you need to decide for your self and be able to change if you so feel inclined to do so, so that for you you are happy and not in a hopeful pie in the sky ..... I hope I hope I believe I believe sort of life!

{be happy don’t worry}

:-}

[{{{I think there for I am.}}}]

You do not need to be a 'DIVISIVE PERSON' to be divisive in some situations.....

Divisive, is sometimes a proper way to be.

To be angry is some times a proper way to be, it does not make you an, 'ANGRY PERSON'.

{lol}

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:06:02 (GMT)
From: Owl
Email: not@whatever.com
To: Sir David
Subject: Happy birthday Maharaji
Message:
You said:

'Often for me, when I was a premie, I felt the deepest love for my fellow 'people in the world' who I wanted to share my dream with.

I guess I still have that dream and it will never go away. It is part of me. And my dear friends, it is a part of us all here, whatever our current premie/ex-premie status. We all share a wonderful affinity.

.. Dave'


Well........, WE the creatures of this planet all share an 'affinity' to live, eat, and be happy, BUT it is in the details of what is understood when one is saying I want happiness or I have a dream of love in the minds and hearts of all.

It is YOUR opinion that, 'it is a part of us all here, whatever our current premie/ex-premie status. We all share a wonderful affinity.'

It is NOT an accurate representation of Premies or Ex-Premies that they are of the same MIND-SET in the outlook that they each have for LOVE and HAPPYNESS for this planet..... IT IS DIFFERENT when you get down to the details...... YES the details those things that give TRUE MEANING to things........

love peace happiness........ As I see it..........

AFFINITY THAT!

{smile}

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 11:13:26 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: Timgitti@indigo.ie
To: Owl
Subject: Happy birthday Maharaji
Message:
Hi Owl..just to clarify: If we are talking 'spirituality/religion' then I hold that the World is the Church....otherwise just call it the world.Those we meet are the teachers if we are open and aware....remember the Chinese call criminals 'taechers by negative example'. And finally division is definately an important aspect of life....as is doubt and questioning. But I maintain that thought systems idaels and religions divide people..so a valid 'religion' must be completely inclusive. It comes down to,of course, no religion. NO GURU.
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Date: Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 04:15:15 (GMT)
From: Owl
Email: owl@seeinthedark
To: Tim G
Subject: Happy birthday Maharaji
Message:
You end by saying, -

- 'It comes down to, of course, no religion. NO GURU.'

My point is made!!! You concur with me.

NO RELIGION!!!!!!! NO GURU!!!!!!! NO M!!!!!!!

------- My point is made no Church no Religion no Guru! --------

Also you say, -

- 'But I maintain that thought systems idaels and religions divide people..so a valid 'religion' must be completely inclusive.'

And I say, it is an oxymoron to say religion and completely inclusive in the same context,.... it, a religion by its very definition is not completely inclusive. HELLOOooooooo

So let us go forward into the future with an ever more vigilant quest to be more aware, more conscious, more desiring of Love!!!!!!!

Love love love, but in as conscious a way as possible!!!


---------- Thank you, with the understanding that it is thee that is I.

It's an inside thing............ (lol)

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:36:14 (GMT)
From: Sir David
Email: None
To: Owl
Subject: Happy birthday Maharaji
Message:
I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make, Owl but I'd answer it by saying that a meditation practise or the following of a master is not the sole way to reach an understanding of one's life and the world as a whole.

Of course, you may not agree but you surely must realise that this world is a big place and life isn't tied down to one master and his meditation. There's a lot more happening in a lot of individual's lives. Without acknowledging this, you won't see where I'm coming from.

I prefer not to dwell on details when a group affinity is reckognised here. It's a shared group history. I never mentioned mind-set and neither do I seek to put people into boxes or create divisions. However, you seem determined to do this.

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:20:44 (GMT)
From: Owl
Email: getreal@yourself.com
To: Sir David
Subject: Happy birthday Maharaji
Message:
You say:
'I prefer not to dwell on details when a group affinity is reckognised here. It's a shared group history. I never mentioned mind-set and neither do I seek to put people into boxes or create divisions. However, you seem determined to do this.'

x-------------------------------------------------x

(___ lol .... YES I DO! ___)


And for you to play your word games to paint a picture of, {you are good I am not}, will not and does not hold up in the light of day.

This reminds me of those so called Mahatmas that said, do not dwell on the details, do not be divisive.

SIR! I will be as clear on the details as I choose to be and I respect others for also being of clear mind wanting to know the details of whatever they are dealing with and if it means that they are being divisive to the group that they are dealing with, well so be it...... Thank GOD, Thank them, for being this REAL!!!

{I think therefor I am}

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:31:03 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Owl
Subject: Happy birthday Maharaji
Message:
Well, I had already copied the same phrase, ready to paste in here, before reading the post above (which I didn't really quite understand).

So here goes:

'Often for me, when I was a premie, I felt the deepest love for my fellow 'people in the world' who I wanted to share my dream with.'

Yes, me too, and I have to say that my greatest suffering as a premie was when I tried to force my mind to accept that I was serving my fellow man when I was actually shopping in Beverly Hills for some particular item of clothing MJ 'needed' or whatever.

Leaving MJ allowed me to liberate my dream again and work in ways that I actually could tell helped people.

Hey, your lordship, I heard a rumor that you have MCS. Maybe we could chat a bit about it.

Love Disculta

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:10:35 (GMT)
From: just curious
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Disculta-what's MCS? (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 04:15:02 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: just curious
Subject: Disculta-what's MCS? (nt)
Message:
Did a search myself. Sounds like something a lot of ex-DECA 'service' people could be experiencing to varying degrees, as well as many others on this ex-paradise called Earth.

Multiple Chemical Sensitivity

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Date: Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 05:31:15 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Yes, plus Multiple Cultic Sensitivity too! nt.
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Dec 12, 2000 at 06:24:15 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Don't leave home without it! nt.
Message:
(your MCS card)
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:48:02 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Disculta
Subject: Sure thing
Message:
We sure could chat about it. Email me or we can communicate on The ANYTHING GOES Forum.

Thanks for your post. I'm off to bed now.

ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:23:52 (GMT)
From: Sue
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Sure thing
Message:
Said the Spider to the fly
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 23:36:14 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Ladies and Gents: Mr. Prempal Rawat!
Message:
Hi all,

This is a segment from the newsletter, 12/7. Near the quote below was a picture of gold coins!!! What a psycho manipulator:

From: Mar del Plata, June, 5, 1999:

Somebody could say: 'Well, you know, you have hate in you and you have love in you.' Ah, but wait a minute. Wait just a minute. Don't just put this package together and throw it out the window. Because maybe I understand what hate means and maybe I don't understand what hate means, but surely, if I have ever glimpsed love, then I must know that this is tremendous. This is
like somebody saying to you that, in a gold mine,there is gold, but there is also a lot of mud in theree. What would you do? You would say: 'Forget about the mud. There's gold in there!'

Yup, he's wantin' cash again and again, the poor, poverty stricken Maharaji, my heart just weeps. Keep those newsletters coming Maharaja, you transparent SOB (Super Opulent Brainwasher).

Guess what, the premies are the gold coins sparkly, too, and we're the mud. Good.


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Date: Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 20:06:50 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Ladies and Gents: Mr. Prempal Rawat!
Message:
... but Cynthia, even the snake-oil salesman has gotta make a living! (-as long as it's not at my expense).

Anyway, since when did snake-oil salepersons give a damn about the consequences of their poison?

Your impassioned feelings are (maybe not totally, but at least in part) healed by expressing them, Cythia. And much as the ...

fury

(that a good word for you?) ... as those feelings engender, don't forget that Maharaji has sworn on the Bible that he's going to bring peace to the world, ... so he can't be all bad, can he?

And look at all the love his premies feel ... well, anyone who gets people to love them must have something good, mustn't they?


.
.
.
.
.
forgive me for driving you to the point of catharsis, ...

but

that's how it feels, doesn't it?


Express, express, express.

(if you're in a safe enough situation to, that is).

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 00:44:36 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: I pity him; compassion for everyone else. peace(nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:45:19 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: I curse him. (nt
Message:
adfg
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 04:06:59 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: I curse him.
Message:
I hate him for making me love his lies. I want him to loose his wealth. Just that, alone, would be a minimal punishment compared to what he has done to us, and worse.

I want action about Jagdeo, the pedophile, who wounded so many innocent children! What about it Maharaji, ya got the guts? You fucking wimp.

happy birthday goomraji, you SOB.

Phew,,that felt good.

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 14:35:51 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: I curse him.
Message:
Cynthia me dear, cursing is no good,cause it means some old bastared spirit gonna come and eat his balls or somethin. Better kick his ass.

What about that survival course. Can you belive it. I mean here you are the lord of the universe being bitten by mosquitos and there is nothing you can do about. Wounder how long he'll last in the amazon and wether he gets anyone kissing his feet when a croc is up and about.

Just thinkin.

Salam

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 07:39:39 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Tugs-of-war: Pain/Anger + - Healing. PEACE NOW!(nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 00:11:13 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: such
Subject: To: suchabanana: Tugs-of-war
Message:
Hi,

I think it's quite all right to express the feelings I and others are feeling. It's not like we're always anry, and besides, isn't this the only place where such anger/angst or feelings of contempt can be expressed without ''tugs-of-war?''

No offense meant, such, but today I feel pissed off at Maharaji and here's where I express it.

Thanks for your cheering me on to feel peace, but, I'll get there at my own pace.

Be well,
Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 12:29:52 (GMT)
From: kapiladev das
Email: qwerty@pdai.com
To: Everyone
Subject: anyone experience a phychic attack from rawat?
Message:
has anyone else experienceda phychic attackfrom rawatwhich did harm physical harm to anyone.the cases i know of are as follows 1. a premie house keeper at a divine residence in london was show hell she became histarical .a premie at a premie house in santa barbarra collected money to buy rawat a morris minor car but refused to give it to him and was burnt up in a crash soon after .my own case where i was crushed to the floor for 3 days unable to move and my hair turned white .how did rawat punish people .give your experience.from a ex caretaker of the dulwich odeon in london .
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Date: Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 13:32:03 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: kapiladev das
Subject: Er, no. But I've done my best...
Message:
Hi Kapiladev,

Check out my poetical accusation of the fraudulent ninny. The way I see it, he can't even write a decent poem, let alone mount a psychic attack!

Luckily for Roger eDrek as well as myself, and countless others, Rawat has no power, except what you give him. Take back your power, and you will find you can attack him in the REAL world, with complete impunity. Just because he is a tissue of lies and misrepresentations he has no power. Any attempts he makes to preserve his position in the world now serve only to expose him as an empty con. So he runs from us and hides, pretending we don't exist. HA!

Were you in charge of the Odeon at Herne Hill (near Dulwich)? It's just down the road from where I live.

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 09:34:55 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: kapiladev das
Subject: The truth at last.
Message:
kapildev,

It's time to own up. It was my psychic powers that pinned you to the floor in the Palace of Peace- not Mr Rawats. I was testing you and you passed.

Now you can relax- I won't use them again on you- unless you continue to attribute them to that second rate yogi Rawat. He hasn't even got the power to tie his own shoe laces.

So give credit where credit is due and get on with your life.

Shri Anthyogeshwar

PS. As proof of my powers- I will make the sun rise at dawn tomorrow.

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Date: Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 20:12:22 (GMT)
From: ca
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: to Shri Anthyogeshwarsasgoodsmine ...
Message:
... how'd you DO that?
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 18:49:52 (GMT)
From: toby
Email: None
To: kapiladev das
Subject: do you remember
Message:
that m was always talking about the maharaji behind the physical
plan who was the 'real teacher', and he is just beeing the representative?.
Well to anybody who had an experience and who cannot satisfy himself with an 'oh its just a projection' explanation, he must
search on to find an answer.
Whatever the power is that stands behind him, if there is one, believe me,it belongs to the evil part of the spiritual worlds.
Worlds?
Yes , do you think that if this world ,as complicated as it is was created by transcendental powers, that the relationship between these beeings is not as least as complicated as ours?
It is all simple he said , dont think about it.
Because if you do, you may find out what m is really all about.

And Yes , i did need another spiritual experience to come away
from this.
To be able to distinguish the spirits.
Developing your thinking power , and to be able to think about things that don't have material content has been a helping hand.

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 17:40:13 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: kapiladev das
Subject: Psychic protection kit - skepticism ! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 13:08:17 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: kapiladev das
Subject: I had an encounter with Rawat this week
Message:
In fact the whole street did.

Well this is what happened.

Am not aware if you know about the toilet technique. It is simple really. You get a pictuure of Rawat and tie it with a little string and dangle it in the toilet. Everytime you go to the toilet whether sitting or standing he will be there for you, Anyway, last week the picture disappeared. I did not pay much attention and thought of getting another one. But then strange things started to happen. All the sewer in the neighborhood started overflowing in my backyared. That really got me worried. So I called the plumber which confiremed that the sewer was blocked. Then he called the water board. They came today and opened the main sewer, and guess what was blocking it, Rawat's picture. So there you go.

Salam@rawat.sucks

(No I am not online yet, only testing my system)

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 19:31:11 (GMT)
From: Paul Nair
Email: psnair@pd.jaring.my
To: Salam
Subject: I had an encounter with Rawat this week
Message:
I hope you Know what you are doing to our Master
Why do you have so much of hatred in your heart
Why don't you remember why you came to KNOWLEDGE in the first place

I wish you would reconcider what you are doing

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 11:03:54 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Paul Nair
Subject: Lighten Up Paul
Message:
Salam was joking...that's all. And he's a raving madman anyway.

Just thank our lucky stars he's behind bars in an institution for the rest of his life, where he can't get out and do any harm.

Anyway, Paul, you sound a bit mixed up about a couple of things.

Do you believe that Maharaji and the Creator are essentially one and the same thing?

Anth, under medication and 24 hour care.

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:10:20 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Paul Nair
Subject: I had an encounter with Rawat this week
Message:
What master?

you mean you have someone to do all the thinking for you?

what am I doing to him, I really like to know?

Have you tried hating someone before, or are you an ex-hippie that belives in love and peace and happiness?

I came to him thinking that he had answers. All I got is bullshit.

I am considering what I am doing. I want to erect a platform on top of his seat in Amaroo with a hole in the middle, so everyone can shit on him while he is haveing or darshan.

Anymore wishes for x-mas. And remember

Salam@rawat.sucks

p.s. are you going to sing some nice songs and kiss hiss feet for x-mas?

(am still not here)

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 20:04:22 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: timgitti@indigo
To: Paul Nair
Subject: I had an encounter with Rawat this week
Message:
Hi Paul...good to see that you are open enough to visit here. Yes, I'm sure it is distressing to read some of the things written about YOUR Master.We have been there too.He was our Master once. But it is surely an honest and human function to search out the facts about someone as important as your 'spiritual guide/teacher'. I was ten years in the cult with only unsubstantiated hearsay as to his credentials and an endless bombardment of eulogistic testament with which to make an honest assessment.
Plus of course the evidence of my own eyes and ears.Plus of course the mass reinforcement of a willing and expectant membership....we wanted a Lord. For a long time my intuition was saying this man is selfish,uncaring and arrogant but I was unprepared to listen and relegated it to the machinations of 'my Mind' or as is said now 'not listening to my heart'. But after a close encounter with the man at a conference at Wembley the dam burst. I have read so much evidence on this site ,especially from 2 people who were close to him for many years,in fact his right hand men, Mike Dettmers and Bob Mishler that I know I was right.
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 19:52:13 (GMT)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: Paul Nair
Subject: To Paul Nair
Message:
Dear Paul, you sound like you are getting into deep waters in your premie life. That cry from the heart, it has me a little concerned.

Please, think about it, Maharaji has no bloody idea that Salam has been pissing on his picture, and even if he did, it would have only come from reading this forum.

Maharaji eats, shits, farts, acts like an idiot, and sleeps, the same as everyone else. He doesn't have a clue what he's doing, same as everyone else, regardless of the patter he gives on stage.

When I started worrying about how Maharaji was feeling, and how we were all affecting him, I was the one that went mad, not him.

My take on the man is that he is in a serious state of denial. Everything that does not accord with his world vision is a threat to him, he gets very angry a lot and those of us who are still bonded with him can be scared by that.

Cut the apron strings, being frightened and in love is not healthy, it is an abusive state.

Good Luck, I wish you all the best, Lesley.

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 20:08:08 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: timgitti@indigo.ie
To: Lesley
Subject: To Paul Nair
Message:
Hi Paul..please read my post above and feel free to e-mail me if you wish. The very best to you.
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:18:55 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Tim G
Subject: Hey Timji
Message:
What happened at Wembley?

Do tell!

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 08:44:29 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: The Jagdeo Issue: now online on EPO!!!
Message:
For those who haven't understood much about the whole thing, here is

The Jagdeo Issue: The Cult Protects a Paedophile

These pages have been set up with the help of the victims, by the way .....

I thought we HAD TO DO THIS, as all the information about it was scattered all over the place, which made it pretty much unclear.

We're still waiting for a clear answer from Mr Rawat and Elan Vital. I doubt we'll get one, beside maybe new attemps to close the exes websites .....

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 11:46:13 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: The Jagdeo Issue: now online on EPO!!!
Message:
you need to include in this exposé the additional reports that went on the forum subsequent to EV's assertion that Jagdeo no longer has any part in EV. I believe it might have been Kelly or Barry who reported seeing Jagdeo at the most recent program in India Hans Jayanti centennial, where they described Jagdeo as living in complete providence, surrounded by young boys, waiting on him hand and foot. I beleive Kely provided us the phone number direct to that ashram for investigation's sake.These developments need to be included to expose EV's description of Jagdeo's 'banishment' for the patent lie that it is. Also the fact that Jagdeo was eyewitnessed as an honored guest at the program, seated up front near the Stage in the favored section reserved for people especially close to Maharaji, a reality which betrays the falsehood of EV's claim that such behavior would be abhorrent to them and that any such individual would be dealt with severely..
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 13:01:22 (GMT)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: A review of the facts
Message:
Janet, I just want to summarise the various posts I have placed on this forum, and to remind you, and everyone else, that, unfortunately, when I first posted I hadn't realised that it had been two whole years since I had last seen Jagdeo in the Delhi ashram. So my description of his lifestyle, I can only vouch for up to Nov 98.
I have since been told that he has moved, or been moved, on. Exactly where or when I do not know.
I can't remember exactly when I first heard of the allegations against him, but I do know that I was aware of them, though only in a general way, last time I was there. I certainly viewed him in a different light. I deduced that if I knew, then certainly the 'powers that be' must have known.
I can confirm that while at the ashram he lived a very comfortable life, and was waited on hand and foot by premies of all ages, including young men and some extremely young women. (This now worries me)
He was afforded all the respect and attention usually given to a mahatma, maybe a bit more as he lived in a special situation. I also saw ordinary premies touch his feet on at least two occasions.
He always sat up front with the other mahatmas at events. I don't know about last time , I wasn't there.
I just want to make sure there is no confusion about my contribution to this issue.
Love Kelly
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 00:09:53 (GMT)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: A Birthday gift to the 'Perfect Shyster'
Message:
Well done JM, this was much needed.

I hope it's true that this sexual molester is now 'enjoying' his ill health in a village in Bihar.

I also hope that he has lost all the status and authority that gave him the power to pursue his perverted pleasure.

I also hope that he now knows that his sins have found him out, and that he has plenty of time to reflect on this, and that he is tormented by it ...I hope, but I don't hold my breath.

But most of all I hope that there are no more innocent victims within his reach.

Why don't you gift wrap this latest addition to the website and send it off to the 'Perfect Shyster' of out time.

Much love
Kelly

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 21:39:23 (GMT)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: The Jagdeo Issue: now online on EPO!!!
Message:
Very nice job, JM. Thanks for the work that you put into it. And thanks to those who dared to speak up and bring this information to light.

Oh, yes... And damn Maharaji for pretending that he can't remember hearing of it having happened in the past, and damn him repeatedly for allowing it to continue.

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 22:58:18 (GMT)
From: Cynthai
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: The Jagdeo Issue: now online on EPO!!!
Message:
Hi Jean-Michel,

I thank you so much for all your hard work.

Thank you to Susan and Abi for your courage, be well.

Jean-Michel, I haven't forgotten to mail that piece to you, I've just been swamped with work--I'll mail it soon.

Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 14:28:19 (GMT)
From: goblin faced astrologer
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: The birthday stars are dark oh lord-nt
Message:
bcnx
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 08:52:29 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: A lovely birthday present for Rawat.
Message:
Brilliant work Jean-Michel.

And again, all respect to Susan and Abi.

I hope it ruins the Lard's birthday.

The chickens are coming home to roost.

Anth the nonce basher.

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 11:42:56 (GMT)
From: A question for Anth
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: How often did Jagdeo stay at Wringford? (Nt)
Message:
For how long time?
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 11:50:17 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: A question for Anth
Subject: How often did Jagdeo stay at Wringford? (Nt)
Message:
Hi,

I don't know. He showed up after I left.

Who are you and why do you want to know?

Anth

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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 23:30:34 (GMT)
From: Gee
Email: akasha@supanet.com
To: Everyone
Subject: Don't despair - sort it out
Message:
Have just found this site. Brilliant! It's clear that a lot of dissenters are angry, disappointed, feel ripped off, don't get what they expected out of knowledge. More than that, I have personal and reported experience that they have been victims of power, sexual and financial abuse at the hands of some of the alleged administrators of Maharaji's organisation. As soon as I figured out what was going on I did everything I could to mess up their heads at programmes as I am quite kickass when I have to be. Whenever they tried to mess me around I just invoked maharaji. It was funny to see them frozen - like the robot in Terminator trying to work out what orders to follow. They always gave in. One of the ' senior ' instructors once had the impertinenece to etell me I should give up therapy immediately as Maharaji solves all problems. sorry to be judgmental but, silly cow. She needed therapy big time.
The thing is, that if this has happened to you, it will be because you were vulnerable. You are probably stillnursing the same stuff too. Of course it is unacceptable to do any of the above list to another human being, especially in the name of peace and love. Remember, nothing has no upside, I think getting knowledge has been useful for some people. I don't like the money thing around Maharaji and never have, but, hey, if people are stupid enough to give it to him..............
The point is that it won't stop. If it isn't people in Elan Vital it will be some other cult. I am not an ex premmie but I am an ex having anything whatsoever to do with the insane people that run Elan Vital. I still practice from time to time and I do like it but I don't need anybody interfering in that. And I also know I could have got it elsewhere, by the way.
I am a counsellor and have worked with several premmies. I went through a lot in my own therapy about this subject and am always glad to help others. Anyway, good luck everyone with your process of Getting Real.
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 08:37:22 (GMT)
From: Interfering
Email: john@interfering.org
To: Gee
Subject: Don't despair - sort it out
Message:
[{{{I am INTERFERING, BOO!}}}]!

Get real? Getting real.....? No. I am what and who I am and you need to get REAL....... You are still in a fog with M.

M is whatever, you are you, and the one and only Master of yourself!

Wake-up and stay REAL>>>>>.............. {HELLO!}
--------------------------------------------------
You said..
'I think getting knowledge has been useful for some people.'
--------------------------------------------------

Well, maybe slapping some kids on the side of the head is useful for some of them, DUH!!!!, are you that stupid?

Putting on that Santa, Jesus, or the Tooth God is in this hokus pokus what ever with out any REAL.....{Double Blind Study} facts....... well it is not REAL.......

And shutting your eyes and getting some sleep has shown to be helpful for ones well being, but not shutting ones eyes and whatever for the purpose of trying to make one think they are now some sort of club member of the I know whats what better then those that do not do this.....

Wake up and be REAL, NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

{have a nice day}

Bla Bla Bla..............

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 15:01:51 (GMT)
From: Gee
Email: akasha@supanet,com
To: Interfering
Subject: Don't despair - sort it out
Message:
I was never in any fog about M - I just wanted Knowledge. I didn't like the trips and I think M could sort it out if he wanted to. You may not know this but recently in England someone very high in the organisation for as long as there has been an organisation has been seriously outed for some abuse. Things are moving. I don't think M is going to act so it is up to premmies to take responsibility for the stuff that happens in that case and some of them are.
Nothing on this planet is simple. People have various axes to grind and there is enormous anger - I felt it in your message.
For the record, I am not into surrender or foot (arse) kissing either but I still like Knowledge.
We want M to take responsibility but that's a projection: we are responsible for allowing M and his people to use and abuse us. I am glad people have stopped.
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Date: Tues, Dec 12, 2000 at 21:06:38 (GMT)
From: Curious George
Email: None
To: Gee
Subject: Abuse from high-up
Message:
You wouldn't be talking about Glen would you? I hear he's been demoted recently after being at the helm for eons.

C.G.

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 00:25:13 (GMT)
From: John
Email: john@interfering.org
To: Gee
Subject: Don't despair - sort it out
Message:
You say, 'For the record, I am not into surrender or foot (arse) kissing either but I still like Knowledge.'

Well, DUH......... KNOWLEDGE=/IS, The Devotion, and premie-Master relationship with and or to Sat Guru Maharaj Ji.

You can say you like to do the 'KNOWLEDGE', BUT do not call it 'KNOWLEDGE',,, CALL IT whatever you want but it is out of context of what is KNOWLEDGE as put forth by G.

You can call it 'meditation 3x', {3 parts not 4} and then there will be a clear delineation between the two.

***Unless You do not want to separate your self from M.***

Lets be 'REAL' clear!!!!!!

{have a nice day......lol)

Let the cord be cut.....................................

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 08:11:24 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Gee
Subject: Hi Gee
Message:
Hi there Gee,

You say above that you're not an Ex-premie. That made me curious as to what you are.

Do you still go and see Maharaji when he does a show?

Do you think he has special powers and that kind of stuff?

And- my final question for ten points- would you go through a darshan line and kiss the Lards feet?

Anth of the Inquisition.

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 15:23:49 (GMT)
From: Gee
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Hi Gee
Message:
Hey, Anth.
I am not an ex premmie in that I have Knowledge so always will have it. I am not a lover of M and never have been. It was because I knew from the start he wasn't perfect that I could tolerate the whole thing long enough to get Knowledge.
I probably couldhave got it elsehwere. Oh, and I don't think you need the techniques: they are just rituals for infantile people who need pegs to hang things on.
Have you read any Paul Brunton? In A Search in Secret India there is loads of stuff which is identical to knowledge but without the techniques.
No I don't go to programmes, not for three years because I just got pissed off with the 'security' and manipulation. I did some service and thought I was surrounded by some of the most angry, abusive, arrogant, pathetic, weak, users I have ever met and as I worked in the media for 20 years this was quite a feat on their behalf. I know a lot of stories from Ashram premmies, eg people being told to have sex with service premmies (and doing it, that's rape in my book), people having bad accidents on M's premises and M not being told, the person now permanently disabled etc etc. But when you stand back, is any of this any differnce to Bill Clinton's BJ obsession or life an an average English public school?
As for the feet, would I kiss them. Eeeurghh. I actually GOT knowlege from M himself in 1990, so I have been close. He doesn't make me feel faint and I don't see any purple auras. He's a clever bloke though. And we'd all like something this big to sell.
Darshan was something that happened at a atime when Elan Vital was still pegged to a lot of old Hindu Hokum. M dropped it as soon as he realised it was putting healthy Westerners off. Same as he drpped the Dhoti for Armani when he realised he couldn't get what he wanted out of Japanese businessmen. But of course, he did admit that.
Special powers? I got knowledge after all that hippie stuff finished. Noone, no instructor has ever suggested that to me.
I am puzzled about M's denial of da possible afterlife though. Any enlightenment on that one? Also, does anyone else suspect that The Matrix movie was written by a premmie? Or an exPremmie!
I'm into Remote Viewing (not the CIA sort of course) High Magic, Healing, Mediumship, the lot. Some of it I don't believe.
Here's what I think about magic powers (true story):
When I was an aspirant another aspirant came to me and said she had seen Sai Baba and he had made a little man appear in his hand.
I said: yeah, very impressive, but WHY?
I think that sums it up.
Sorry this is so long - its so great to talk to people who have got all this in balance.
Gee
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 10:18:14 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Gee
Subject: New Age Old Age
Message:
Hi Gee,

I don't think Maharaji has ever stopped believing he's the Perfect Master- like Jesus and Buddha. And neither have the premies around him.

He gave a darshan line in Amaroo three years ago, around the time you stopped going. His website also makes it clear that he sees himself in this role.

Do you think the followers of Maharaji are in any way different from say Moonies, Hare Krishnas, Children of God and other post 60s personality cults?

Do you believe that when you do the techniques you experience the pure life force within?

You sound like a bit of a new-ager. How old are you?

I hope you don't mind me asking all these questions- it's sort of what the forum is about in a way- but, because I can't see you in person, it can all seem a bit impersonal. There's lots of things I'd like to ask you about- but I don't want to come across like the Spanish Inquisition.


Anth the Old-Ager (51)

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Date: Tues, Dec 12, 2000 at 15:32:30 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: AJW
Subject: New Age Old Age
Message:
Are you saying that Jesus and Buddha were 'perfect masters' or are you saying that they believed they were 'perfect masters'.

Do you have evidence that they even existed, let alone what they believed? And what's the difference between a 'master' and a 'perfect master'?

Steve

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Date: Tues, Dec 12, 2000 at 15:16:55 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: New Age Old Age
Message:
Antt

Are you the big hanger at Area51?

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:59:42 (GMT)
From: Sore Ear
Email: None
To: Gee
Subject: Hi Gee
Message:
Bla Bla Bla!
.

Bla Bla Bla!
.

Bla Bla Bla!

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 16:37:00 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Gee
Subject: Hi Gee/a few questions for you...
Message:
Gee-nice posts...
I've got a few questions for you...

1-can you elaborate on 'sex with service premies'...

2-what did you mean by 'dhoti for armani' and 'japanese businessmen' comments...

3-are you into remote viewing? What is your experience with it? I have a read the book 'psychic warrior' by David Morehouse and was impressed with the possibilities of the RV phenomenon...

Thanks, and keep on posting,
La-ex

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 15:43:59 (GMT)
From: Gee
Email: akasha@supanet.com
To: la-ex
Subject: expanding on your query
Message:
Dear la-ex
Nice to be taken a bit seriously amid the spams.
I don't want to break confidentiality, but I have heard first hand (from victims and perpetrators) that people in what I call 'M madness' - esp. aspirants and peoplejust starting service have and are often subjected to sex abuse - by this I mean not sexual abuse but sex abuse: that is: you must have sex with me for maharaji/because I can get you service/closer to maharaji etc etc.
This happens in all organisations where there is power imbalance and people are vulnerable.
Remote Viewing: One of my most keen investigations. Try the net - just type in Remote Viewing. I am more interested in Robert Monroe (Monroe Institute, also aval. on web) soul rescue, visiting places on or off planet etc, not military stuff, yuk. I have been practising rv with my partner for a couple of years, it's brought mindblowing results. I don't give anyone money to teach it - you can find methods in books, the secret is to practise and experience.
On the dhoti thing: my information is that M, when not doing his knowlege thing, has other business interests - software for aviation guidance etc. hence the suit wearing. Also, if he wants to do his thing in the West, the Dhoti would be loved by hippies but would be off puttting for 'straight' people. This was a decision he made a long time ago. I don't understand why he has a Rolex etc.
Funny thing about India is this strange mix of extreme spiritual practice, interest, in the culture, but Indian people tend to be into barter, accountancy, running retail shops. they have an odd blend of spiritual sophistication and financial sophistication. I think M, a product of that continent, is merely displaying that cultural tendency. a bit extreme, I grant you.
People on this site seem really angry and hating of M. The big question is, given that someone that bright must know of the abuses that go on in his name, how much responsibility can we expect him to take for it? I am not into conspiracy theories - haven't take enough drugs to be that paranoid. I got knowledge and appreaciated M for a long time without having any bad things happen to me, except a bit of low level manipulation as an aspirant which I sussed out really fast. I honestly don't disrespect people's basic wisdom enough to think that millions of premmies are miserable and have bad experiences because M has to set this up to keep the rollercoaster rolling. I think it's THEIR STUFF. See, if you desperately want something (eg, getting close to Maharaji personally cause you haven't got a life) you will get abused. I have some experience as I live right near big concentrations of service premmies and one of M's residences. Of the twenty or thirty service premmies Ihave known who have reported bad stuff (like weeding for six hours in a thunderstorm and cleaning the toilet with a toothbrush) my response is, more fool you.
But if people ar4 doing bad stuff in his name - and they undboutedly are, and he sacks them all which he does from time to time, another lot of lunatics seem to take their place.
If he got people to admin etc for him who were not premmies, they would probably want Knowledge after a short while, it's the nature of the thing. As you can see by this ramble blah blah I am still 'in my head.' Thank God.
Keep posting too
Gee
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 16:09:02 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Gee
Subject: Gee, you overgeneralize, IMO
Message:
I suggest you check out 'Ghandi's Truth', by Erik Erikson to get a bit more historical/cultural context on Indian culture, and also to learn what a real master from within the same culture can be all about. In my experience, all cultures have 'good' and 'bad' aspects, the same spread of 'good' and 'bad' people. To a very large extent, m has turned his back on the positive aspects of his own culture. There is no excuse for anyone who claims to be a spiritual master to behave as m does.

Anna

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 16:41:38 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: What is remote viewing? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 10:42:06 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: It's when...
Message:
...you change channels with the remote control (or 'rod of Power' as our family calls it) rather than getting up and pressing the buttons on the TV.

I've been doing it for years and find it very advantageous. You don't have to disturb the can of beer, ash-tray and sandwich on your stomach to switch over to Jerry Springer at half time.

Anth- in touch with the modern world.

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 16:51:03 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: What is remote viewing? nt
Message:
Hi 'Hal,

I think there's someone at another forum who might be able to answer this question better, but here's a link to someone that person referred me to for some reason I still can't figure out:
REMOTE VIEWING? HEY, GUYS! WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? (Part 1)
Ingo Swann (8Dec95)

Hope all is well,

Anna

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 17:19:36 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Many thanks Stonora
Message:
I still can't figure out what that's all about but mainly because I just skimmed the info.

Thanks for those spiritual links further down too. I'm a bit short of time to check them out at present but I will soon.

I'm well thanks and no complaints - hope you are too

Best wishes
Hal/ Steve

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 17:27:18 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: Here's another for you Hal,
Message:
(from a slightly different slant:)

http://probablefuture.com/p37.htm

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 20:00:56 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: I owe you cq
Message:
Hi Chris,

I looked at my early posts courtesy of Sir dave's excellent search engine and found out that you were the person who really tipped the scales when I was considering leaving premiedom.

I said that i meditated because I wanted to find the centre of my being bla bla... and your reply was that you could understand wanting to go to the centre of being but why take the old Maha in there with you !

Great

Big thank you,
hal

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 17:36:42 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: thanks Chris --
Message:
I have to go and chop some wood right now, oh yes and we need some water too !

TTFN
Hal

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 18:28:43 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: Your thoughts for today (well, it's nearly Xmas!)
Message:
'One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time.'
--Andre Gide

'One's mind, once stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimensions.' -- Oliver Wendel
Holmes

'The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that
having problems is a problem.' - Theodore Rubin


'The important thing is not to stop questioning.' - Albert Einstein

'The real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes.' --
Marcel Proust

'I am happy because I want nothing from anyone.' -- Albert Einstein

'Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.' -- Mark Twain

'Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent.' -- Eleanor Roosevelt

'Man is most nearly himself when he achieves the seriousness of a child at play.' -- Heraclitus, Greek
philosopher (500 B.C.)

'Imagination is more important than knowledge.' -- Albert Einstein

'We do not write in order to be understood, we write in order to understand.' -- C. Day-Lewis

'Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense.' -- Mark Twain

'The hardest thing to learn in life is which bridge to cross and which to burn.' -- David Russell

'Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt, and dance like nobody is
watching.' -- Rob Brezany

'I'd like to live like a poor man with lots of money.' -- Pablo Picasso

'You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm.' -- Collette

'A professional writer is an amateur who didn't quit.' - Richard Bach

'Life is what's happening when you're busy making other plans.' -- John Lennon

'The snow goose need not bathe to make itself white; neither need you do anything but be yourself.' -
Lao-Tse

'There ain't much to being a ballplayer - if you're a ballplayer.' - Honus Wagner

'This day we sailed on.' -- Christopher Columbus

'Wotcha' - cq


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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 19:52:28 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Your thoughts for today (well, it's nearly Xmas!)
Message:
Well fuck me sideways ,

Bloody hell! I think therefore I am fucked. I think I need a shit now and I'm really gonna enjoy that.

taking a shit is one of the most enjoyable and profound experiences I've had. No Joke.

That and pissing under the stars tripping.

Excuse me please
Hal

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Date: Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 18:30:33 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: A good dump is a wondrous thing ...
Message:
... and pissing under the stars on acid I have experienced.

(I found out it's better when your back's to the wind).

Cheers,

Chris

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 20:00:50 (GMT)
From: ham
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: Your thoughts for today (well, it's nearly Xmas!)
Message:
No Joke.
That and pissing under the stars tripping.

Same for me except add

'With the sound systems pumping out all around you'

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 20:03:18 (GMT)
From: Hal
Email: None
To: ham
Subject: Oh Ham ! Nice to hear from you...
Message:
If anyone would understand that one it would be you. Yes the sounds were pumping indeed,

Heavenly,

Take it easy
Hal

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 20:12:43 (GMT)
From: ham
Email: None
To: Hal
Subject: Good man :) (nt)
Message:
a
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 00:24:24 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Gee
Subject: Promises, Promises
Message:
The ever elusive 'if you just do this'.

Maharaji didn't have the right 'this'.

Maybe Christianity didn't have the right 'this' either.

Maybe any spiritual seeking will lead you to some gate to pass through - some promise of peace on the other side.

Or maybe, just as in the case with big M, the real truth showed up when you realized he was a crock of shit; because ultimately, you made it real - both the illusion and dis-illusionment.

Must quote zen here:
'First mountains are mountains and rivers are rivers.
Then mountains are no longer mountains and rivers are no longer rivers.
Finally, mountains are mountains and rivers are rivers.'

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 15:33:53 (GMT)
From: Gee
Email: akasha@supanet,com
To: Daneane
Subject: Reply to Promises, Promises
Message:
Communications with words are really limited, arent they?
It isn't 'just do this....' at all. Its firstly, if you get involved in something that hurts you it's as much about you as the person doing the hurting. Secondly, I totally agree with everything you said; here's a Buddhist response: Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.
If you aren't chopping wood and carrying water then enlightenment won't help. If you stopped chopping wood and carrying water after enlightenment (a lot of people got paralysed after meeting M and getting knowledge, for sure,) then do something! And you did!
The problem with spiritual mediators ( M claiming to be one) is they tell you that the truth is inside but you can't get at it without them.
My old mum used to say that if vicars wore their trousers the same way as their collars there wouldn't be so many orphanages.
Don't you think M has 'issues'? One of them is grandiosity. The other is that he must rush round the world giving people Knowledge in order to make a living. It's just another personal concept, isn't it!
We are all searching for spiritual truth.
Currently mine goes something like this: Life's a beach... but I helped put the sewage on it.
Gee
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 00:14:20 (GMT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: Gee
Subject: Your Bhuddist response........
Message:

..........reminds me of the story of King William after the battle of the Boyne.

Being on the wrong side of the river when his forces won ,he rode down the banks to find a crossing place so he could join them.

Eventually he found a boatman to take him across.

The boatman said ' so who won'.

He replied 'what do you care , you'll still be a boatman'.

That I can understand.

I don't understand your wood chopping jive ,or rather the enlightenment part.

In fact I don't understand 'enlightenment ' & don't want to anymore.

I just want to live what remains loving , being loved ,& having the occasional good laugh.

I want to be a fucking boatman.

I don't understand either your bit about getting involved in hurtful situations.

Are you saying that if someone punches you on the nose you've always asked for it ?

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Date: Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 08:40:38 (GMT)
From: Daneane
Email: None
To: Bin Liner
Subject: Boatmen rock
Message:
Yeah, I didn't much get that hurt thing either.
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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 23:56:30 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: timgitti@indigo.ie
To: Gee
Subject: Don't despair - sort it out
Message:
Welcome Gee...You say you have a problem with the people who run Elan Vital but that sounds like you are absolving m from any responsibility for his organisation... that's always been the premies excuse for m's lack of insight/success in running the show.The buck stops with him. He is after all the Perfect Master or Master of Perfection.
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 03:19:46 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Tim G
Subject: Welcome Gee, and
Message:
I have to agree with Tim's point above. I too am a counsellor who has worked with lots and lots of premies, and exiting premies.

Haven't you worked with families where the father is alcoholic and everything gets blamed on the mother? Or families where everyone conspires to protect the really sick person at the center, and even takes on the blame or apparent responsibility for a lot of his/her dysfunctions in order to preserve the stability of the family system?

This is what a lot of us see in the whole 'it's not MJ it's the honchos' rap. If you read carefully the massive archives in this site, you will find innumerable examples of former honchos describing how they were directly abused by MJ to the point where they felt they had no choice in their behavior towards other people.

If you read Dettmers many posts, over time, there is a good example of a so-called ex-premie who was being 'reasonable' and maintaining some kind of decorum in his relationship with the whole thing. Then after a while, he seemed to wake up to the level of denial he was still carrying. Sometimes the healthiest thing is to call a spade a spade, and in all love (seriously) MJ's behavior has been so heinous and so directly deleterious to so many people's health and wellbeing that I don't see any place for still calling oneself a premie.

Unless you just mean 'lover' in the generic sense. And I am in no way saying don't meditate. A lot of the exes on this site and off it still meditate but are very clear about coming out and saying they are exes.

For myself, I was fine with being pretty detached from the whole thing and getting on with my life (spiritual and otherwise) for more than a decade. It has been an interesting recapitulation to come back and say 'no, that wasn't okay.' (as well as remembering some far-out stuff, for which I give credit to me and other sincere premies).

I posted here once before that it may be a bit like when young people enter the stage of their twenties, the last thing they often want to do is to look at anything about their childhoods, even if there was abuse or sever wounding. They are in a phase where they need 'escape velocity' to get their adult lives going with some grounding, so that they don't feel sucked into the vortex of still being kids. It's what you might call a developmental imperative. Then in their thirties, as you obviously must have noticed as a counsellor, they flock in to examine the unexamined, and 'regress to progress.'

A similar process seemed to happen with me and many other exiting premies. At first we just got on with our lives and re-established our mature egos in some kind of worldly life. Then, for many of us, the time came to examine some of this stuff.

Anyway, I really welcome you to our lively discussion and I hope that you get that I accept your position whatever it is, and just wanted to offer a slightly different slant.

Love Disculta

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 09:01:56 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Great Post Disculta
Message:
You sound like a rare, sane human being.

Thank you

Anth the common or garden nutcase.

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 04:58:15 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: I wish you lived next door
Message:
I wish you lived next door to me. I've been trying to figure out why I keep coming back to this site. When I first came here I was initially angry. I evolved to acceptance and now I'm just confused. Why do I keep reading/posting here? What's this have to do with my life? The cult has been a non issue for me for 15 plus years!!!!! So what if M is still duping people? So what if he just bought a 7 million dollar boat? So what if he is harboring a Mahatama who likes to molest children? So what?

I have my life which is pretty good, a career, a family, a husband who loves me, great kids, ect. ad nauseum. So what exactly is the issue here?

I too was in my twenties when I joined the cult. Actually I was 19. I am now 43.

M could do so much just with an apology and by making restitution to all the people he spiritually raped.

Fuck You Fat Boy! I hope you choke on your next meal.
Oh and M have a very Happy Birthday-NOT!

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 01:31:21 (GMT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: A non issue for 15 years..........
Message:
......is maybe why you keep coming back.

When something has been such an important & basic part of your life for a very long time , & turns out to be a crock of shit , & there's no one to talk to about it who really understands , then coming here can be a real flash sometimes.

One of the great things about the internet is its ability
to connect like minded people , otherwise its just an information service. Useful but boring.

There's never anything worth watching on the TV.

Here you can talk in a kind of a way with real people , & rant & rave without having to worry about getting shot : it's great entertainment , improves your typing skills & will hasten the day when Rawat , the betrayer of our youthful hopes ,(he's soooo good at it , the little fuck), will have to start trading down his jets rather than up.

I don't really know why I'm addicted to this site , but I' m already addicted to various other things , so what the hell.

Got to go now & look at the most recent postings , see if I can't find some loony to take a swipe at.

All the best

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 14:55:53 (GMT)
From: Gee
Email: akasha@supanet.com
To: Tonette
Subject: I wish you lived next door
Message:
Dear Tonette
I do live next door in the collective unconscious. Thankyou for your message. Why do youkeep going back to it after 15 years? Why do we stay hung up on anything? You have been hurt and you don't have anywhere to take your hurt, especially since the perpetrator doesn't know about you and becaus of the wall of security around M you can't complain.
But remember that you were vulnerable to M or anyone else who wanted to mistreat you. That's what you might want to look at I guess. I was so lucky, Tonette, because I never thought M was God, never thought and don't think he has all the answers and would not have done any sort of service that involved me giving up my personal freedom.
I am sorry you had a bad experience and I know you are not the only one.
Gee
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 18:00:11 (GMT)
From: ulf
Email: None
To: Gee
Subject: next door help(no grandiosity thanks!!!!!) nt.
Message:
ggggwww
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 03:51:50 (GMT)
From: Did you do that fart?
Email: None
To: Gee
Subject: I wish you lived next door
Message:
Why did you let out that fart?

What a smell!

Damm

What an evil.

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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 22:50:36 (GMT)
From: RT
Email: omm
To: Everyone
Subject: SATsong: Hotel Kali Yuga.... Happy Holidays!
Message:
Hotel Kali Yuga

Dedicated to all the DECA survivors
of Maha-rob-me's Air Forced.

+++++++++++++++++++
On a dark DECA runway
Cool wind in my hair,
Warm smell of jet fuel
Rising up through the air.
Up ahead on the tarmac
I saw a shimmering light
My heart grew heavy, divine sight grew dim
No more Serve-Us to-night!

There He stood in the hanger!
- I heard the Arti bell-
And I was feeling to myself that I must Pranam - or this could be hell!
Then they lit up The Candle
And they started to sway;
Then came voices from my deeper self
I thought I heard it say:

Welcome to the Hotel Kali Yuga
Such a longing place (such a lovely space)
-To Gaze on His face?
The Premies all swoon at the Hotel Kali Yuga
Any time of year (any time of year)
You can find them here.

His mind is SELF-ishly twisted
He got the Mercedes Benz - uh!
He got a lot of pretty costly toys,
Culled from ‘friends’.
How they danced in his courtyard
Brainwashed, they sweat
Some dance to re-member
Some dance to forget.

So, I called an Instructor
'Please pay for my time' and he said,
'We haven't had that thinking here since Puja ’89 '
And still my inner voice is pleading from far away -
Wakes you up in the middle of the night;
Better meditate!

You’ve come to the Hotel Kali Yuga
Such a divine place (such a holi space)
To Gaze on His face??
You wasted your time at the Hotel Kali Yuga
What a big surprise – when you realize - 20 years went 'Bye!'

Gold plates in the cockpit
The pink champagne is nice, and he said
‘We are all prisoners'- Kabir
( - Of Maharaji’s vice!)

Then in the Master's chambers
He took his sox off! Feast!
They kiss feet; with their Hin-dude minds,
Sole Food is their re-Lease!

Last year I remember I was
Posting on dot Org.
It helped me find my thinking self
For I Was A DLM ‘Borg’

Click here’ said the Web man,
'Truth? we’re programmed to receive!
You can check out any time you like-
Just Say Know! – AND LEAVE!!'

{go solo}

++++++++

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:11:28 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: RT
Subject: That was awesome!!!!!!!
Message:
I can never remember meeting too many dumb people in the cult.
Most everyone had some talent or the other and keene intelligence. Wonder why that is?
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 03:04:33 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: RT
Subject: SATsong: Hotel Kali Yuga.... Happy Holidays!
Message:
That was absolutely superb,what an amazing talent!
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 04:34:56 (GMT)
From: kapiladev das
Email: qwerty@pdai.com
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: SATsong: Hotel Kali Yuga.... Happy Holidays!
Message:
yea bro you can check out anytime you like (but you can never leave.)
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 02:11:36 (GMT)
From: bazza
Email: bshaw8@bellsouth.net
To: RT
Subject: SATsong: Hotel Kali Yuga.... Happy Holidays!
Message:
wow that was most excellent

have you written any others? anyone like to record them and I'll set them up to webstream. any musicians here - exBlue Aquarious maybe?

laughed my arse off

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 00:33:39 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: RT
Subject: Glad you are feeling better RT!
Message:
Had me worried.
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:06:01 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: Hi bill:)) RT, you made my day
Message:
I sang it all the way through.

I'm a DECA vet, too. I wonder if I know you. I was in the design room in the big complex, always with Swan, and running around a lot. I spent limited amounts of time at the hangar. I took care of gooomraji's suite of offices. I was also at the little warehouse in Hialeah.

Brilliant lyrics...bubbles of laughter from Vermont. Fun to sing it, too.

Thanks,
Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:34:37 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: You DO know RT Cynthia
Message:
He lived/lives in New Haven.
North Haven actually.
As a young woman looking over the crop of men in the holy community, there is no doubt you eyed RT.
He was not in the ashram.
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 22:21:40 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: You DO know RT Cynthia...bill, can you email me?
Message:
I'm not trying to be intrusive, but I eager to find exes, like you, bill, who I knew way back when. If it's okay with RT, of course.

sylviecyn@Yahoo.com

don't tell EV okay?

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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 23:06:51 (GMT)
From: ulf
Email: None
To: RT
Subject: ex premie songs
Message:
Perhaps it is time for some ex premie record ?

i wouldt love to get your version of this song.

Ulf

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 06:14:22 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: ulf
Subject: michael Bolton is an ex premie
Message:
or so it would seem. i stayed with him in his bare flat in new haven in 1978 when i was immensely pregnant and his marriage to maureen was dissolving. he was a full on devotee then, but word has it hes severed himself from the life since he got all famous an shit. therre would be a big name to record these songs....
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 22:32:41 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: janet: michael Bolton is an ex premie
Message:
Hi janet,

I knew Michael Bolton very briefly because I was the lead singer in the Hartford Community Premie Band, even started when I was an aspirant. I never sang with him, he had great focus on music back then. There was a m program (which I can't remember the date or place) when Michael sang, and he was announced in the low, we must be humble servants type voice: ''RCA National Recording Artist Michael Bolotin will now sing.'' Or some such.

I would tend to think that Bolton would shy away from an EPO cd, but who knows? bill, you know him enough to ask. He wouldn't remember me.

Cynthia

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 02:14:03 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: janet: michael Bolton is an ex premie
Message:
He would avoid it because it would highlight his involvment
and he has always shunned the memory.

Molly got a 5th row seat at a Conn Bolotin concert courtesy of his ex wife.
He was on stage mentioning all the different people in the audience that represented different eras of his life.
At one point he said 'did I forget anyone?' and Molly yelled
(and you know how loud she could be!)
PREMIES!!
and he staggered like an animal taking a bullet.

went over to the speakers and didnt say one more word to the audience!

When she told me the story, I thought that was halarious.

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Date: Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 00:20:41 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: bill, I can picture her doing that so clearly:))nt
Message:
ny
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 17:21:35 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: and suchabanana's been in the biz for a while ...
Message:
... and I used to engineer!

Hey, let's get it together. This 'Hotel Kali-Yuga' deserves to be ex-premie.org's national anthem (and we'll worry about the copyright later).

Any other musos out there?

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 00:02:07 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: timgitti@indigo.ie
To: ulf
Subject: ex premie songs
Message:
RT you must record this...it's brill
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 16:33:54 (GMT)
From: RT
Email: omm
To: Tim G
Subject: ex premie songs - A CD available in 2001?
Message:
Thanks all for the kudos. And Thanks to Real Player I was able to rhyme this, with headphones. Song downloaded from napster.

Other RT songs are in the house of Drek, along with Larkin.Any CD must include him!

Send me a song suggestion and I will do more, it's fun for me -as long as it a popular tune.

RT - who read MAD magazine lyrics as a kid.

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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 18:46:45 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Mark Knopfler (ot)
Message:
Anybody hear the new Mark Knopfler album, Sailing To Philadelphia? Really excellent. He's the former guitarist for Dire Straights. Yeah, I know, some of the stuff they recorded was pretty lethargic, but some of their stuff was pretty damned good, too. This solo effort by Knopfler is just as solid as anything they've ever done, from the opening song to the last. Just thought I'd recommend the album because it's that good. Guest appearances by James Taylor and Van Morrison are on it as well.
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 22:30:31 (GMT)
From: Mark
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: hey! THANKS GUYS
Message:
There I was thinking I wouldn't find a single good review , having looked everywhere, in just about every publication.

I'd given up hope and then I find this crazy web site. Bingo!

You've made my day!

Before long I might even sell a sixth copy!

Cheers,
Mark ( me mates call me tosser )

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 08:13:27 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Dire Straits (ot)
Message:
The most appropriatley named band of all time.

Anth the blank cassette.

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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 19:47:02 (GMT)
From: brian
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Mark Knopfler (ot)
Message:
Yes I did, and it is the first piece of music that I heard in years that made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. really excellent stuff. Thanks for the heads up call on this one, I highly recommend the CD as well
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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 18:23:13 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Anyone seen Urbania? (OT)
Message:
I saw this movie 'Urbania' last night and it's a remarkable film. I review said it is based on a stage play called 'Urban Folk Tales.' Anyhow, it's one of those movies in which you think you know what is going on, but then you aren't so sure. Plus, you find out a lot of people are connected in ways you didn't realize, and that some of the 'urban legends' have truth to them. I thought it was a great film -- perhaps a little disturbing, though. Anyone else see it?
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 11:56:40 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Phew.(OT)
Message:
I thought you were going to tell me the ending then Joe.

I'll watch out for it. Have you read The Poisonwood Bible? I just finished it. It's a knockout.

How's winter in 'Frisco?

Anth by the canal.

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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 18:11:12 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: MarianneDB@aol.com
To: Nigel
Subject: Hey Nigel!
Message:
How's the land Down Under? Have you met up with any exes yet? How are the secret plans for the trip to Amaroo going? Did you get that smart card yet?

Marianne

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Date: Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 06:44:28 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Marianne
Subject: Aussie, Aussie, Aussie...Oy! Oy! Oy!
Message:
Australia is unbelievable and the guru can go fuck himself. Seeya later...Luv Nige

(first logon - will contact various of you Oz exes soon)

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 22:43:15 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Hey Nigel!
Message:
Hey Nigel,

Just where on the fucking continent IS Amaroo??? :)))

Maybe our lord is sitting on his hunk 'o' land, in luxury, pouting about how to get more western premies to come back so he can get more prop-o-gation going.

We got you covered, too, Nigel, roam freely.

Not one blunt nor sharp metal object wielding premie will make it within 50 feet of you.

Your status report is expected at your earliest convenience. Jet lag?

Cynthia, Scorpio-1
(that's a code name)

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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 17:26:55 (GMT)
From: jondon
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: The MacVitties
Message:
There is a CD that contains music by the MacVitties, offered by one of Maharaji's fronts, Visions International. I went to school with the drummer, Matt Taylor, he was a wild man. He headed out to California, chilled out, got new agey, met this babe that was into Maharaha, and is now blissed out. I used to watch him play with a couple of friends. I knew he was somehow involved with the operation via the music industry. Ran into him once at an Event in Long Beach...glad to see he's attained enlightenment, I guess. Will try to connect with him and see what info. he may be willing to offer, about the backstage goings on. I'm sure it is all real beautiful, man. No hassles, just peace and love. He reminds me of the dude with the flower from the LOTU.
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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 13:05:59 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: It was twenty years ago today...
Message:
RIP John Lennon.
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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 09:59:34 (GMT)
From: a0aji
Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com
To: Mr Kite
Subject: And of course Henry The Horse is dancing the waltz
Message:
I can't think of anything I'd rather do less than to listen to Paul McCartney sing, anywhere, any time, after the Beatles broke up. Harrison was good in 'Traveling Wilburys'.

The Beatles were packaged and sold. I don't buy that they changed anything. The void had to be filled by something; multinational corporations chose the message to sponsor, not John Lennon.

It's very much like computers; first they were cute; then the money-makers saw their potential, and began developing them. Then there was the first wave of mass consumption. Then the soul of the machine was stripped out of it; all angles were smoothed; and Bondo was used to fix the serious holes remaining. Then it was ready to be annexed by Fisher Price Toys, a uniform pablum that even the gumless could swallow, if only through a stoma cut in the side of the head, somewhere near the pineal gland's refill hole.

I once went to Maharaji, and he said my pineal was a pint low, so he shot a syringe full of ground up bits of Peter Max posters and mother's milk in there.

O Bla Di Bla Da!

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Date: Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 00:25:04 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: O...aOaji...I think you were a generation that...
Message:
missed having an experience of the Beatles. I also have a sort of aversion to Paul. But one the whole, the Beatles were revolutionary.

Not everything they did was good, but some was great!!

Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 20:04:49 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Oliver
Subject: check out m. himself on Sgt. Pepper's album cover!
Message:
http://members.aol.com/jsweeney/pepper.htm

Ironically, the face of young boy-god Guru Maharaj ji is peering over George Harrison's left shoulder (Marlene Dietrich is the next person to the left of Harrison).

Harrison (something like this: Oh, when we were in India with the Maharishi, we heard about this boy guru who might be God. So, we thought we'd better include him, too.)

Peace,

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 22:16:48 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: Not quite, suchie
Message:
That's Bobby Breen, a singer, over Harrison's left shoulder. There might be a slight resemblance to a young Maharaji, but that's about it. Howerver, that is Shri Yukteswar Giri all the way up in the left hand corner of the album cover, Babaji is hanging out right next to Stan Laurel and right under Fred Astaire, Yogananda is buddying up to H.G. Wells with Bob Dylan looking on from above, Sri Lahiri Mahasaya is squeezed in between soccer player, Albert Stubbins and Lewis Carroll, and virtually unseen (though the cover claims he's there) is Ghandi to Carroll's left.

And the walrus was Paul. But that's another album cover.

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Date: Tues, Dec 12, 2000 at 19:09:49 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: I could have sworn I posted something here ...
Message:
Whassup, FA?
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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 18:21:40 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Oliver
Subject: Sergeant Pepper taught the band to play!
Message:
Yeah, that was sad, but I was never much of a Lennon fan to be honest. I like Ringo. And Harrison's My Sweet Lord is one of my all time favorites. But Ringo is tops.

I'd like to be
under a tree
in an octupuss's garden
in the shade.

Doesn't get much better than that.

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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 20:59:19 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Ringo
Message:
I think Ringo is the most under-appreciated Beatle. 'Octopusses' Garden is great, I agree and so is 'Sweet Sixteen' and 'A little help from my friends'.

I met Ringo in his house, way back. He's a most down-to-earth star who likes his family and familiar home comforts.

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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 20:40:33 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Jerry
Subject: Sergeant Pepper taught the band to play!
Message:
Ringo and Paul are the a-typical 'song and dance' men who would fit into any era. George has hippie type 'spiritual' leanings, (he shouted out 'Hari Krishna' repeatedly when he was attacked last year by a knife weilding maniac in his bedroom) and John is a one-off, never to be repeated.

I was sad, twenty years ago today. I awoke in my bedsit to the news of John's death and then went to work. In the evening I went to ashram applicants satsang (as I always did in that period, to try to get back into the Lord's house) and not a sole there mentioned the only thing on my mind that day. I wondered why these premies didn't feel anything about John's death.

I was pretty disgusted. I didn't know I was in a cult though.

.. Dave

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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 17:04:50 (GMT)
From: Joy
Email: joy52@earthlink.net
To: Oliver
Subject: It was twenty years ago today...
Message:
I remember where I was when I heard the news -- at a big sit-down dinner for the ashram residents in the Miami Beach Convention Center, attended by M up on his throne, with entertainment, silly skits etc. I think perhaps it was a birthday party for M? Was anybody else there at that? I don't remember much else about it, other than hearing this terrible news.
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:20:46 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Joy
Subject: Joy, I was at that party in Miami
Message:
I had been shipped up to the Gainesville ashram and we were invited.

I must have dissociated or something because I love John Lennon. I don't remember hearing about his death until after that bizzare party thing. Who has the nerve to give themself a big party, ($$$$), and sits on a stage above everyone while they perform like, well, cult members? Gooormraji.

And I got real pissed off because nobody said anything about the murder. Then all I focused on was that I just got a beautiful new blouse (which was rare in the ashram) and one of the sisters had the service of being a waitress, so she borrowed it, and ruined it by spilling salad dressing all over the front. I never got to wear it.

I definitely dissociated. I loved John. Rest his soul.

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 07:12:43 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Turn off your mind, relax, and float downstream...
Message:
such responded:
Cynthia,

When I was in high school, as each record came out, I learned the vocals and guitar and bass parts. Later, when I was a professional musician in NYC, Lennon produced my band (after the Beatles broke up).

I took his death very hard in 1980. Driving on tour through the deep snow, with '...and so this is Christmas...' on constant rotation on just about every radio station on the dial.

Especially during the Vietnam War years, it was also important to have some influential voices for peace. And it was the hippies, after all, that sponsored m. to come to the West (I heard some dope deals were allegedly involved, too, early on). We should also remember that it was the Beatles who introduced hundreds of millions of people in the world to elements of Indian music, fashions, and meditation in the mid-60s. From there came an openness to exposure to such things, for many young boomers. The concept of a satguru bringing a cosmic (almost psychedelic), peace on earth in the New Age Aquarian Millenium, combined with communal approaches to lifestyles, natural foods, folk-rock, and the possibility of experiencing the ultimate reality light-trip were also some of the baits that obviously played into such wistful pipe dreams.

Look at the photo collage artwork on the cover of the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album. Peering over George Harrison's shoulder is the young boy-god himself, Guru Maharaj ji! [Maybe someone should post an enlargement of a scan of that portion of the album cover! I don't have a copy of the record anymore.]

The Beatle thing, Woodstock nation, peace-love, equality, freedom, do your own thing, communes - we bought into a lot of that. I still subscribe to the spirit that was inspiring us upward and onward into peace, wisdom, light, love, and harmony.

'Turn off your mind relax and float downstream
It is not dying, it is not dying
That you may see the meaning of within...'

-- John Lennon, 1966

Bless you, John, wherever you are. Yeah - Imagine all the people living for today. You can say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. I'm hope someday you'll join us, and the world will be one...

Way Groovy! Right On!
Peace,

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 22:34:05 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: Turn off your mind, relax, and float downstream...
Message:
Look at the photo collage artwork on the cover of the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album. Peering over George Harrison's shoulder is the young boy-god himself, Guru Maharaj ji!

There's two guys over Harrison's left shoulder. One is Bobby Breen, who I originally thought you were talking about, and the other guy who I now think you're talking about (because he's 'peering') is sculptor, Horace Clifford Westermann, whoever that is. You only see a part of his face and, yeah, it does look sort of like Maharaji, especially the haircut, but it's not him, unless he was Horace in a previous lifetime.

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Date: Sun, Dec 10, 2000 at 00:52:59 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: If you click on that face, no URL link appears(nt)
Message:
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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 17:20:11 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: timgitti@indigo.net
To: Joy
Subject: It was twenty years ago today...
Message:
Hi Joy..I was staying with a premie friend in Calgary,Alberta. We went around to visit a friend of hers,an astrologer, and there we heard the sad news. One month later the astrologer Lady had died on a motorbike.Sic Transit Gloria Mundi.Or as they say here in West Cork 'it's dangerous to be alive'. John Lennon, musician,iconoclast,tripper, spiritual detective,celebrity, and honest adventurer......and riddled with the usual negative traits that go with the territory.RIP.
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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 17:18:53 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Joy
Subject: It was twenty-nine years ago today...
Message:
minus two months, that I received Knowledge.

For years I considered this my spiritual birthday.

I wish I had an exact day of exiting (1984ish) so I could celebrate a freedom birthday, but it just keeps getting better and better as I love more and more parts of myself back into feeling GOOOOD.

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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 17:23:44 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: timgitti@indigo.ie
To: Disculta
Subject: It was twenty-nine years ago today...
Message:
Right On,Disculta..Freedom Freedom. And disculted to boot.
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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 12:17:14 (GMT)
From: JTF
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Anthony(Tony) Robbins-like rawat?
Message:
Does anyone know much about this guy? He seems to be running a self-help, non-spiritual THING. He seems to be very popular and has many so-called famous people(including the Clintons)singing his praises and following his advice.

The only time I read anything of his, I read a lot of generalities about how one can improve their life and a suggestion that one could find the PRACTICAL SOLUTION by purchasing one or more of his programs or attending his seminar(where, of course, you can also purchase his programs)

Just another new-age guru????

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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 15:32:33 (GMT)
From: Happy
Email: None
To: JTF
Subject: Anthony(Tony) Robbins-like rawat?
Message:
I think Anthony Robbins started off as a serious sociologist in the 70s. I read some articles of his, as a matter of fact. He wrote mainly on the sociology on religion, and he was interested in cults.
Then, something happened, he turned new agey, flim-flam,flip-flap, and...
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 07:38:21 (GMT)
From: JTF
Email: None
To: Happy
Subject: Thanks, Happy(nt)
Message:
asdf
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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 11:33:00 (GMT)
From: kapiladev
Email: qwerty@pdai.com
To: Everyone
Subject: ramat used his phychic powers on me
Message:
after a arguement at a satsang in san francisco where the moderator screemed in my ear for 10 minites i cursed rawat and when i got home i was crushed to the floor for 3 days not being able to move nor drink could hardly breath .mahatmas tried to reach me to slit my throat but could not get into the appartment.after 3 days the invisible weight went away .i almost died of thirst.i wrote a chapter in the book who is guru maharaji im the ex hari krishna guy in the book .i worked at the dulwich odeon theater conversion and was a caretaker there in london .also stayed in premie houses in santa barbara and santa cruz.any old friends can email me.the guy used to have power i dont know if he still does or not .
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 05:30:06 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: kapiladev
Subject: Where the power really lies
Message:
Any power that Maharaji had is the power we gave him. It was our own power. He had no power of his own. Now, many people have taken that power back that they loaned him. It was always our power and it belongs to us.

The power of love is the strongest power. Nothing can match it and it will do no harm to anybody. In fact, it neutralises any evil power and overcomes it, completely.

.. Dave

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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 16:24:23 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: jed53@hotmail.com
To: kapiladev
Subject: ramat used his phychic powers on me
Message:
I lived in the flat above the palace of peace from late 1974 to early 1975.
I do remember the caretaker who was there then and his initials were KB. If you're him you can email me on the above address.My name then was Eddie Fisher. If you're not KB, you're welcome to email me amyway.

All the best Jethro

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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 13:31:48 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: kapiladev
Subject: Questions for you kapildev
Message:
kapiladev,

How do you know that your 3-day illness had anything to do with Rawat?

How do you know mahatmas were trying to slit your throat if you were alone in your flat, on your back for 3 days?

Did you get up to go to the toilet?

Did you eat or drink anything?

Anth the Cop

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 06:26:14 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: i second these motions
Message:
how do you plead?

janet the judge

may the schwartz be with me

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 04:13:46 (GMT)
From: kapiladev das
Email: qwerty@pdai.com
To: AJW
Subject: Questions for you kapildev
Message:
i could not move for 3 days.ajw it was no sickness as the weight struck in a instentand i was totally paralized for 3 days.but i could hear and see. i heard the mahatmas come to the door and identify themselves as mahatmas and they came around to the back of my house and looked in the window i may have been speaking with them telipathically.it was no illness but a crushing weight pressing me down so hard i could not expand my lungs .the stress was so great it turned my hair white over night.i was living across from the zen temple in the haight district of san francisco .surely rawat must have attacked otherws with his phychic powers .has anyone heard of other attacks ?
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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 08:24:29 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: kapiladev das
Subject: psychic powers and a satsang story
Message:
hi again kapildev,

Thank you for answering my questions.

Maharaji doesn't have any psychic powers- otherwise he would have used them against people like me who post on the forum. He's just a confused jerk.

What happened to you was nothing to do with him- except in your imagination.

Also kapildev, there is no such thing as telepathic communication between mahatmas. That is why God gave us mouths and ears and language.

Do you know the story of when Ramakrishna met a yogi by the river side? Ramakrishna called the boatman, but the yogi walked on the water. When they got to the other side the yogi said, 'I can walk on water. My powers are greater than yours.'
Ramakrishna asked him how long it took to learn the trick. He said forty years. Ramakrishna said, 'What a waste of forty years when for 25 paise you could have taken the boat'.

Maybe you had a stroke or something. Did you see a doctor about what happened?

How are you feeling about life nowadays kapiladev? Is everything going OK for you now you've left the Lard of the Universe?

Anth the Atma

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Date: Sat, Dec 09, 2000 at 07:37:53 (GMT)
From: janet the bongo
Email: None
To: kapiladev das
Subject: i would tend to think the weight did not..
Message:
from rawat, so much as from a huge portion of other consciousnesses. let me explain: i studied and experienced metaphysics for many years, first without the training, in the early years, with knowledge, and later on, with training. the meditation opened up eons of other realms of awareness for me, and i cross- confirmed what i experienced, by searching the literature, and in comparing notes with other people who were not premies.such entities as spirit guides, visitations from the 'dead' or disembodied or never-embodied are real. there are indeed realms and levels and dimensions, as real as this physical one, though of a finer denier than this one, and interpenetrating this dimension, the way water can soak into a cloth, and perfume can soak into the water and the cloth, both.if you were a krishna devotee before you were a maharaji devotee, then you had two realms of heavy mindwatch over you. above the physical plane, there are no secrets, and no borders. all feeling is shared and felt, all thought is heard and known, all sentiment is recognized everywhere. there is no need to travel or take time. no sooner do you conceive it, than you create it, and it IS. thought is the power. and everyone has it equally. thoughts are things.everything is a thought, first, and then gathers from each plane, as it comes into manifestation. and if it should decay or be destroyed in the lower planes, it can be manifested again, always, through thought first. nothing comes into existence without thought shaping it. but when many give their power to the same thought, the thought form grows in strength. that includes the 'so called dead' as well as the living. the gods of all the great traditions are real entities in those planes above the physical. i have interacted personally with a goodly number of them, and learned how real they are. the hindu pantheon, the nordic, the greek, the mayan, inca, aztec, they are all real beings, right now. The same for Buddha, Krishna, Rama, Jesus, Mary, the Angels 'God',--I have bidden to have time to converse with each of them, and each has come at once, to my request--and to my amazement, and humility.That weight you felt may not have been Rawat. People posting here on this forum have 'died and come back' and been taken up to that realm of light from which we all originate, and they have remarked how odd it was that there they saw angels, jesus, god, others they had known, who had died before them, who came to greet them, or to explain to them where they were--BUT NOWHERE WAS THERE ANY SIGN OF RAWAT, OF MAHARAJI, AND NO MENTION OF HIM. mighty telling. He's a nobody.Insignificant up there. no one knows him. He's no god. He's no deity. He is NOT greater than god. Maharaji had such a near death experience, himself, in chicago in 1973, bleeding internally from his ulcer attack while in the hospital. he awoke to tell that he left his body and was taken to a place where all the past perfect masters were, having satsang eternally, and that he didnt want to come back to the earth. but it was shown to him that he had to,because his purpose was to give knowledge to the world, and he wasnt done yet.at the time i heard this, we all inferred that he meant he was in the company of peers and that he too belonged there. but in reexaming this story it emerges that he may have gone there, but he was not necessarily a peer., not as you'd jump to think. when a friend has a horrible accident and 'dies on the table' for a time, and they come back with a similar account, are they saying that they are peers of jesus and the angels and god??well, from the ego, no. from the soul, yes. the baby isnt his father, but he's family and kin and included.and being family, we are watched and taught and loved, and indulged at some times, and at other times, we are severely curtailed and disciplined commensurate with what we do, and what understanding we show. my teen son may take a credit card out and run up a huge bill, and do it in all innocence and ignorance. when i find out, i might seem to react all out of proportion to what he thinks he was doing. i may have to ground him. i may have to make him get a job to pay the debt, if the deed can't be undone. I am not doing it out of hate. I am endeavoring to school him in how existence works. And i may need to stop him in his tracks, awhile, before he does any more harm he doesnt recognize yet.your 'flattening' may have been this. not by rawat, but by what i came to call The Guardians, who watch our acts and teach us as we go. if we are sincerely trying to understand our place in it all, and have bidden on doing it the 'devotional' way--i.e., as a chela, or a premie, then they accept our choice, and teach us accordingly. meaning, the way might be stricter, because we have made a conscious decision and said we want to do it that way, and we have read the scriptures, studied the greats, asked the deep questions, striven to be better consciously-- but we can still blunder deeply like a child , meaning well , but getting into big trouble in our ignorance, and they may need to ground us for our own good, for a time.It is more likely that your flattening was of this origin. i had a similar series of experiences in the early 90's, while volunteering to try to help a soul on the Other side, who came to me. I made some mistakes and i tried to do some things which were frowned on, and i was, myself, put in a kind of solitary like you were, while the big guys upstairs argued out my case. you could say i broke a law, while trying to get help, and do good-- and was arrested, held, tried and then sentenced for my attempt. i was released on probation and allowed to resume my life, but with limits put on it.you committed some sort of offense that could not be allowed, but it was not rawat who flattened you.
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Date: Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 12:38:16 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: timgitti@indigo.ie
To: kapiladev
Subject: ramat used his phychic powers on me
Message:
Hi Kapiladev-Ji..What a frightening experience and I don't doubt it for One moment.But I very much doubt if it was anything to do with Rawat.It was the immense power of self-projection.That power is responsible for a myriad of miracles visions powers etc.You were completely ripe for an experience like that after the endless brain washing..me too.
Don't even consider that Rawat has that 'power'..he is a poor deluded creature not unlike most of us.YOU do have the power yourself for creating the greatest miracle...sharing communion and love with your fellow human beings.
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