Bazza -:- Sir Dave, could you set up a poll? -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 17:29:58 (GMT)

__ sucha -:- RealPlayer;+configure options for Macs,ok?Merry(nt -:- Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 00:47:13 (GMT)

__ __ such -:- QuickTime Player;for Macs + PCs,ok? Merry Xmas (nt -:- Tues, Dec 26, 2000 at 19:20:00 (GMT)

__ Sir Dave -:- No need for a poll, I think -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 23:13:06 (GMT)

__ __ Bazza -:- I agree -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 00:49:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ janet of venice -:- you will have to email me your clips- -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:05:10 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Bazza -:- Its bigger than that -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:56:54 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ janet -:- error.I get stills only. gotta do more research -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:46:20 (GMT)

__ Jean-Michel -:- Isn't RealPlayer quite a standard now? -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 18:04:09 (GMT)

__ __ Bazza -:- Yes it is -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 19:00:17 (GMT)

__ __ hamzen -:- Quicktime is for macs and pc's as well -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 18:15:34 (GMT)

__ __ __ Bazza -:- People still buy Macs???:-[ nt -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 19:01:03 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Patrick -:- My Mac beats the crap out of your stupid PC Bazza! -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:16:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Bazza -:- Jeezuz did I start a war here? -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:29:58 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Let's just say you didn't exactly START it -:- Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 15:58:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ hamzen -:- Yeah, people with sense and taste do! (nt) -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 15:20:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ Stonor -:- Realplayer is for macs and pc's as well? -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 18:29:51 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ ham -:- You ought to get it -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 15:24:10 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Bazza -:- Hey they're free! (getting a bit OT) -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 19:06:04 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- This is NOT getting a bit OT! But ... -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 00:34:28 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ ham -:- From the man in a mac -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 15:18:02 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Mac sucks -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 10:31:28 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ such -:- Now, don't be PC about this! (nt -:- Tues, Dec 26, 2000 at 19:22:11 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- I see that you found us -:- Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 03:10:51 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ ham -:- Care to step outside salam -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 15:14:24 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- My Hero!!! :))) Whump 'm good ham! -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 16:49:36 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ ham -:- Yeah but you know what they say about -:- Tues, Dec 26, 2000 at 21:10:28 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- not without someone with me -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 16:41:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ ham -:- OOOOOhhhhh, into threesomes are we !!! -:- Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 14:35:16 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- I thought it was a foursomes -:- Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 15:44:33 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ ham -:- Agree with you on everything except 1 pt -:- Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 22:44:04 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Are you a chemist? -:- Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 23:05:26 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ ham -:- Not professionally !!! -:- Tues, Dec 26, 2000 at 12:59:03 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Not professionally !!! -:- Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 06:45:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Don't look at me! But I'll go with you to watch! -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 16:55:15 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- You traitor -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 17:18:02 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- And watch out for Bananas too! -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 17:22:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ Salam -:- Why don't you use the three formats? -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 18:24:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Bazza -:- Economy -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 18:58:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ hamzen -:- You in a band or summink Bazza? (nt) -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 15:27:02 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Bazza -:- You in a band or summink Bazza? -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 17:47:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Well -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:03:59 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- 'You're under my table.' what does that mean? (ot -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:20:59 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- No it is not -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 06:53:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Thanks for the translation, Salam -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 16:44:56 (GMT)

Salam -:- Anyone knows -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:17:43 (GMT)

__ Nigel -:- He's beyond the help of lawyers now... -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 15:14:15 (GMT)

__ __ Joe -:- Very true, Nigell, but.... -:- Tues, Dec 26, 2000 at 18:28:15 (GMT)

__ __ Lesley -:- He's beyond the help of lawyers now... -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 20:22:46 (GMT)

__ __ __ Helen -:- Marolyn, get out now -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 05:28:50 (GMT)

Skullcap -:- The divine herb OT but can help many -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 05:45:56 (GMT)

__ bill-You dont know how to -:- live yet if you think that stuff helps.-nt -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 17:23:39 (GMT)

__ Buzz -:- The divine herb OT but can help many -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 05:59:04 (GMT)

__ Nigel -:- The answer is '42' -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 05:52:31 (GMT)

__ __ Katie -:- to Nigel - can you e-mail me? (OT and NT :)!) -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 13:04:02 (GMT)

__ __ __ Nigel -:- Of course,, but can you email me first? -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 14:45:05 (GMT)

__ __ Divine -:- meaning good, just that -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 06:13:13 (GMT)

__ __ __ Nigel -:- Thanks, but still not with you... -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 06:21:36 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ janet -:- scullcap-well known medicine herb.sedative -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:09:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ SB -:- scullcap-information on BEST nervine discovered -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 14:59:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ bill -:- I thought it was the mind altering product. -nt -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 12:44:33 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- I thought it was..... -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:55:02 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- scullcap-information on BEST nervine discovered -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 22:26:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- scullcap-information on BEST nervine discovered -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 23:30:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- scullcap-well known medicine herb.sedative -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 11:15:37 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ bill -:- one success story here Helen, -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 12:42:26 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- bill can I have someone call Mary? -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 17:03:29 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ bill -:- bill can I have someone call Mary? -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:42:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Fibromyalgia started when I was a premie -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 15:08:19 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ bill -:- Fibromyalgia started when I was a premie -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:47:15 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Fibromyalgia started when I was a premie -:- Tues, Dec 26, 2000 at 15:22:11 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Steve Quint -:- Excellent Post - Thank You -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 16:12:57 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ bill -:- Excellent Post - Thank You -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:50:26 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Fibromyalgia Article as promised (DECA + but (ot) -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 00:51:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Fibromyalgia Article as promised (DECA + but (ot) -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 05:16:53 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Disculta -:- Some ideas on MCS, Fibro, CFS, pain... -:- Tues, Dec 26, 2000 at 20:10:03 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Some ideas on MCS, Fibro, CFS, pain... -:- Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 00:54:15 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Fibromyalgia Article as promised (DECA + but (ot) -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:10:31 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Fibromyalgia Article as promised (DECA + but (ot) -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:59:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- Pardon me, but here is a helpful link -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 16:37:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- Pardon me, but here is a helpful link -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 22:23:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Elaine -:- Pardon me, but here is a helpful link -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 21:34:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- Pardon me, but here is a helpful link -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 03:16:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonorji -:- Sureji, ... you have no ideaji how it happenedji! -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 03:24:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ sandyji -:- The explanation is thusly.... -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 03:31:49 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonorji -:- Congratulationsji!!! -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 03:53:13 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- You're right Elaine - some tech-glitch in shp's -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 22:59:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- the answer is 'within inside...' -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 21:53:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- I must have reached a new stage of consciousness. -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 03:18:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Helen -:- I must have reached a new stage of consciousness. -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 05:25:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Kelly -:- Another link for essiac -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 19:30:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Steve Quint -:- Hi There -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 16:52:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ shp -:- Steve, you said you're Jewish, here's THE song -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 18:44:47 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Buzz -:- Thanks, but still not with you... -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 06:35:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Ok, it makes sense now... -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 14:54:06 (GMT)

la-ex -:- meeting with lawywer from maharishi case...??'s -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 05:28:07 (GMT)

__ cq -:- here's a question for you/him: -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 18:18:22 (GMT)

__ Steve Quint -:- meeting with lawywer from maharishi case...??'s -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 13:27:57 (GMT)

__ janet -:- meeting with lawywer from maharishi case...??'s -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:19:18 (GMT)

__ __ DB -:- Don't say it: Do it. He is going to -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 04:38:02 (GMT)

__ __ Salam -:- Am in -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 17:13:52 (GMT)

__ __ __ Oliver -:- Price of Life? -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 19:18:17 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Salam -:- There you go -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 06:41:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Oliver -:- Re:There you go -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 11:00:15 (GMT)

__ __ Oliver -:- Pschiatric Hospitalizations -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 13:34:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ Steve Quint -:- Psychiatric Hospitalizations -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 13:37:29 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ janet -:- Psychiatric Hospitalizations -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:39:46 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Oliver -:- Thanks for the spell check Steve. (nt) -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 14:04:13 (GMT)

Cynthia -:- A Little Holiday Feminist Cheer....Enjoy.....!(OT) -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 04:29:55 (GMT)

__ such -:- Ok. Some think feminist humor is an oxymoron (ot -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 07:17:55 (GMT)

__ __ Stonor -:- Ok. I think '...ist' humour is an oxymoron (ot) -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:18:16 (GMT)

__ __ __ suchaboneanna-soulmates? -:- u 2? Bly rules! Bay--bee,I am a poet, at heart (nt -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:25:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Aaah cut it out such! Ya crashed my computer. -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:35:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ such -:- Iron John (ot -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 04:14:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Not much on Iron John here ... (ot? where am I?) -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 04:28:45 (GMT)

__ __ sucha -:- or a foxymoron (ot(nt -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:15:13 (GMT)

__ __ __ Stonora -:- This isn't in response to my post, right? (nt) -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:24:28 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ such -:- Anna, I m going 2 emale u, but b discrete (ot)nt -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:35:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ such -:- no.but we are doing it in almost realtime LOL (nt) -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:28:09 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- LOL! Stop it, such! (nt) -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:39:15 (GMT)

__ Buzz -:- A Little Holiday Feminist Cheer....Enjoy.....!(OT) -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 05:46:54 (GMT)

__ __ such -:- Rein it in, deer;but don't rein on our parade! (nt -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 07:23:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ janet -:- that's 'RAIN'-(...typical male mistake...)nt -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:23:36 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ suchie -:- )( {_ () \/ E U 2 ***** (nt -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 09:59:48 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ suchabananda -:- when all intelligence fails,just bash the males(nt -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:18:25 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Okay, okay....you know something? -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 18:30:58 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ such -:- Have a MERRY XMAS! PEACE + LOVE, da lil' swami (nt -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:31:46 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ such -:- r.e. message: You've got dingbats in your belfry -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 20:21:13 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- If I thought the joke would cause such angst... -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:37:29 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Buzz -:- If I thought the joke would cause such angst... -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 06:51:26 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ suchaBanana -:- + the banana split... (nt -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 09:46:31 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ suchabananer -:- Once had a frog in my throat,but didn't eat it (nt -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 04:19:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonora -:- love ya Cynthia ... -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:50:40 (GMT)

The Hampster -:- The pipeline -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 04:27:10 (GMT)

__ Marianne -:- Not a good idea -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 18:02:18 (GMT)

__ j of v -:- u want a directional mike.research surveillance.nt -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:28:12 (GMT)

la-ex -:- part time business for someone ... -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 01:38:26 (GMT)

__ janet -:- we have a few choice images already on the web.. -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:37:03 (GMT)

__ __ Salam -:- we have a few choice images already on the web.. -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 17:42:20 (GMT)

__ __ __ Bazza -:- we have a few choice images already on the web.. -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 19:08:21 (GMT)

__ __ la-ex -:- I agree..boobs would be killer t-shirt...nt -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 17:20:04 (GMT)

__ __ __ Bazza -:- I agree..boobs would be killer t-shirt...nt -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 17:26:31 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- I want a 'boobs t-shirt' !!! ... -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 04:10:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Oliver -:- T-shirts -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 19:42:19 (GMT)

__ Bazza -:- part time business for someone ... -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 02:38:47 (GMT)

__ __ Bazza -:- Fair Use link error -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 02:43:29 (GMT)

__ __ __ la-ex -:- bazza-does that mean we can show videos... -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 05:07:26 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Bazza -:- hmmm haaa mmmmph -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 05:33:53 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ janet -:- webtv can only use windows media player -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:40:10 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ bazza -:- I'll keep that in mind, thanx janet NT -:- Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 15:54:09 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Bazza - IT WORKED!!!! Amazing! Can you post the -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 18:28:11 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Bazza -:- Working on it. Happy Crimble nt -:- Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:05:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Great! Looking forward to Sant's demise from the -:- Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 15:53:14 (GMT)

Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 17:29:58 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Sir Dave, could you set up a poll? Message:

Dave, I'd like to get some idea of which video format would be best for compressing clips, in terms of the most popular among exes. Could you set up one of your polls with the three choices: Windows Media PLayer QuickTime for Windows RealPlayer Thanks Barry

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Date: Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 00:47:13 (GMT) From: sucha Email: None To: Bazza Subject: RealPlayer;+configure options for Macs,ok?Merry(nt Message:

nt

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Date: Tues, Dec 26, 2000 at 19:20:00 (GMT) From: such Email: None To: sucha Subject: QuickTime Player;for Macs + PCs,ok? Merry Xmas (nt Message:

nt

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 23:13:06 (GMT) From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Bazza Subject: No need for a poll, I think Message:

I tried your video file but it wouldn't play on my Real Player version 6. Oh boring - do I have to upgrade? Why can't they just keep things as they are? Dos version 3 was OK, wasn't it? I think Real Player is the only well used multimedia player which is compatable with both a PC and a Mac. I'd swear by Real Player and it's even worth upgrading it now and then. I found QuickTime to be slow and of course, Windows Media Player is fine but Macs don't have it. So I'd go for Real Player, if I were you. It's best for mp3 and mpeg files too.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 00:49:55 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: I agree Message:

By the time you've put the kettle on and made some toast, Real Player 8 will have downloaded and installed, so you may as well. I know what you mean about the incessant need for upgrades, seems like every time I buy some software there's a 'bigger better' version out. The new Windows Media Player 7 is quite cool though, nice big screen and a variety of skins. So I'll stick to Real Player. Saves waiting for the votes to be counted too, seeing as I live a stone's throw from the infamous West Palm Beach!

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:05:10 (GMT) From: janet of venice Email: Jai_Choix@webtv.net To: Bazza Subject: you will have to email me your clips- Message:

i have a sucky version of windows media player and its all but useless. i can, however, view 30 sec video clips off a vcr if they are sent to me in an email attachment. webtv email is like hotmail in what it can open and view, so what ever you go ahead and do for here on the site, remember to email me whatever is is in vcr 30 sec attachment so ican see it too.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:56:54 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: janet of venice Subject: Its bigger than that Message:

Besides its just a clip off LOTU, do you have the video? Amazon.com has it for about $30. I dont have the original AVI any more, just the rm, but even that is 680KB, might take a while. Email me if you want it.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:46:20 (GMT) From: janet Email: None To: bazza Subject: error.I get stills only. gotta do more research Message:

nt

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 18:04:09 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Bazza Subject: Isn't RealPlayer quite a standard now? Message:

for PC and Mac ?

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 19:00:17 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Yes it is Message:

and that is why I bought Real Producer for my own stuff, but below Janet mentioned that she can only use Windows Media on her webTV connection, so it made me think to ask for a consensus from everyone.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 18:15:34 (GMT) From: hamzen Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Quicktime is for macs and pc's as well Message:

Jean-Michel

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 19:01:03 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: hamzen Subject: People still buy Macs???:-[ nt Message:

nt

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:16:25 (GMT) From: Patrick Email: None To: Bazza Subject: My Mac beats the crap out of your stupid PC Bazza! Message:

Tee Hee! Happy Christmas! :-)

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:29:58 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: Patrick Subject: Jeezuz did I start a war here? Message:

The Mac must be a great machine because the Lord uses it, and only the best is good enough for him, right? Merry Crimble to you to:)

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Date: Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 15:58:05 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Bazza Subject: Let's just say you didn't exactly START it Message:

... but since I've got Mac at home and Windoze at work, and Quicktime is accesible by both, guess my vote!

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 15:20:00 (GMT) From: hamzen Email: None To: Bazza Subject: Yeah, people with sense and taste do! (nt) Message:

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 18:29:51 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: hamzen Subject: Realplayer is for macs and pc's as well? Message:

Hi hamzen, Merry Mithrasmas to you and all! I've been planning to get Realplayer because some sites I visit have sound files I could be listening to - they usually ask for Realplayer. I have Quicktime - but it doesn't seem to be of much use sometimes. Anna

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 15:24:10 (GMT) From: ham Email: None To: Stonor Subject: You ought to get it Message:

There's a great pirate site, well worth visiting, http://interface.pirate-radio.co.uk/ which needs it, and a merry humbug to you too :) HAving said that just buried another cat for me mum today, that's two this week. Life & death, life & death.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 19:06:04 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Hey they're free! (getting a bit OT) Message:

The basic players for all these are free. I just upgraded my Windows Media Player to version 7, just a 20 minute download that's all. For the clips I make in Real Producer, you do need Real Player 8 though, it wont work in RP7, but the basic player is free anyway so why not get it? The only deal is that as you install each player, it assumes you want IT to be the default player for ALL media file types, so if that's not what you want, you have to open up your fave player and reset it as default. Still no biggy. BTW the neat thing about RealProducer clips is that you can embed meta names in them, so that search bots and engines will find it.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 00:34:28 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Bazza Subject: This is NOT getting a bit OT! But ... Message:

This is NOT getting a bit OT! But your comment about people still buying Mac was! I bought a G4 this June. Thanks for the warning about the default - within the next week or so I will download Realplayer, but I'll probably want Realplayer as default for the reasons I mentioned to ham. Your last note about search engines is very interesting. Thanks for everything, but NEVER underestimate Mac. Anna

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 15:18:02 (GMT) From: ham Email: None To: Stonor Subject: From the man in a mac Message:

Don't forget you can easily set up more than one functional operating system.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 10:31:28 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Mac sucks Message:

It is for girlies :) (grin) ahhhhhhhhaoooch.

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Date: Tues, Dec 26, 2000 at 19:22:11 (GMT) From: such Email: None To: Salam Subject: Now, don't be PC about this! (nt Message:

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Date: Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 03:10:51 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: such Subject: I see that you found us Message:

And I was hopping you went on a holiday in this 'festive season'.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 15:14:24 (GMT) From: ham Email: None To: Salam Subject: Care to step outside salam Message:

Mind you if you mean by girlies, people with good aesthetic taste who know how much more user friendly macs are, or who use their macs for audio/dtp etc and don't like having their head fucked with, couldn't agree more! By the way I did respond, in the end, on your nirvana thread, but it was very late, you might have missed it! And don't forget radio 1 with gilles peterson, wed night/thurs morn's, 12-2 gmt, and fabio/grooverider 2-4am gmt, early sat morning, for top music, now available on the web via anything goes. If you're an old & boring musical taste hippy like most here gilles peterson is gorgeous. If you're really up for it check live london pirate radio at http://interface.pirate-radio.co.uk/ Luv ya too salam

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 16:49:36 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: ham Subject: My Hero!!! :))) Whump 'm good ham! Message:

Wasn't he coming on to you just last week?

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Date: Tues, Dec 26, 2000 at 21:10:28 (GMT) From: ham Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Yeah but you know what they say about Message:

relationships, testing boundaries etc to see whether it's worth it, think you're even rustier on this shit than me, what a couple of sad fuckers we are.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 16:41:45 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: ham Subject: not without someone with me Message:

Well who want to buy a plastic see though box except girlies. I never used a MAC, only form the ancient original Apple, in fact I still have an Apple II. Keeping it and thinking maybe in another ten or fifteen years it will be rare (when am older and grayer). Also a MAC can not be second sourced, so once you buy it you are shtuck with it. I prefere PC's because I can do anything I want with them. Ever heared of a MAC server running UNIX. Yet you can run Linex on a 386. Also for the price of a MAC, you can buy a whole PC with printer, scanner, moden and sony playsration. So why go for a MAC. Reason: must be a girlie. I did see your answer, and I copied it to my files, but the bloody computer crashed on me, also me and Robyn sat waiting for you, while you went to watch a boaring cricket game. So I had to make something out and assumed that Nirvan must have been abducted by aliens, that is why no one could find her. Also I do not know what the general senses will be if we start discussing it again, we might get kicked out of the forum. Maybe if we can find Robyn and pretend to be serious no one will notice. Wad u recon?

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Date: Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 14:35:16 (GMT) From: ham Email: ham@hamzen.freeserve.co.uk To: Salam Subject: OOOOOhhhhh, into threesomes are we !!! Message:

I'll take your word about pc's running running gary linekers, but most people use their computers for other reasons. Anyone who has used comparable machines both ways ends up buying a mac out of choice. Apple management just fucked up bigtime I guess. Actually re the nirvana thing, it would be me that would take the flak and I was game. Anyway I don't think it's a mystery once you get a glimpse of the drugs that can be activated by bio-feedback. When you think that any drug (apart from alcohol) that can alter mood can only work because we already have every single one of them already in our bodies, blah de blah Now if robyn's included in the threesome, I'm up for it! So what loud music you into, not the tiresome aussie rock band 80's stuff I hope!

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Date: Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 15:44:33 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: ham Subject: I thought it was a foursomes Message:

When it comes to music, am as thick as a door nob, not a clue. The only thing I listen to is the radio, like to blast it all the way up, while I go and sit in the backyard, let the neighbors worry about it. What surprise about the issue of Nirvan and Spiritual awakining is that no one has come forth and said with conviction that he has done it, well at least not recently. When you look at it, that is what m is trying to do. Yet from the hundreds of thousands of people that have take no-lije, I never heared anyone saying he/she has achived this goal. I like to see anyone, does not matter who it is laying it down as a,b and c. You know what I think? Nirvan is a figment of our imagination. An idealistic state of being perfect that can not be achived but serves as a magnet to make the monkey think. I think that the stories about drugs in our body are another cultic derivative started by Timothy whatshisname and influenced by Eastern tradition during the 70s. They all come into one basket, spirit,god,higher consious, self realization,alah,soul ga gagaga. This is the essence of religion, is to bring the monkey through a parallel line of evolution.(phsical and spiritual). Obviously it does not work, as religion has proved to fail at every step of the way. No, I think that such a thing is only a mirage that we love to belive in, because otherwise life has no meaning, which is what it is in the first place. We can lie about, find explanation and make execuses as much as we can, but the proof is in the pudding, we will never know. But I do belive in one thing but, I am human, and no one can take that away from me. So fuck you rawat and may an elephant sit on you.

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Date: Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 22:44:04 (GMT) From: ham Email: None To: Salam Subject: Agree with you on everything except 1 pt Message:

I think that the stories about drugs in our body are another cultic derivative started by Timothy whatshisname and influenced by Eastern tradition during the 70s. Very easily proven that, simple web search will suffice, but melatonin (by-product of the third eye) is very similar in structure to mescalin, serotonin, a key ingredient in EVERY nerve transaction that takes place is almost identical to ecstacy, DMT, the most powerful psychedelic ever, which makes acid look like water, is linked to serotonin in the body, and suspected that it is the KEY ingredient in NDE's, the list is endless, jesus we even have nicotine in our bodies!! Now you don't know me, but I can assure you I wouldn't make statements like that if they couldn't be backed up, no point to those aimless newage psycho mythology bullshit. Need evidence meself nowadays, especially when you consider the years of new age wasted theorising. The funny thing re nirvana, is that all the premies who come here give a much worse case for k trhan I could do in terms of their experience, so much so that occasionally I'm tempted to take on a renegade premie identity, problem of winding people up though who've been through too much already around m and k. By the way, I don't think k is the only route for bio-chemical feedback mechsanisms, nor do I think that only spiritual routes can do it, as anyone who has been in the 'zone' while doing sport can testify. Quite easily arguable that chemical balances are crucial to consciousness. Just altering one hormone, or whatever can seriously change experiences.

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Date: Mon, Dec 25, 2000 at 23:05:26 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: ham Subject: Are you a chemist? Message:

DMT, the most powerful psychedelic ever, which makes acid look like water, is linked to serotonin in the body, and suspected that it is the KEY ingredient in NDE's, the list is endless, Where did you get this from

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Date: Tues, Dec 26, 2000 at 12:59:03 (GMT) From: ham Email: None To: Salam Subject: Not professionally !!! Message:

But it's where I ended up when I realized THAT man was a complete fraud. Not only had I reAched a reall no no with him, but was also coming to the same conclusions as you re new age hope and explanations for the amazing experiences I'd had over the years. I was never in any doubt that there was a strong chemical component in those experiences, had done enough drugs before k, and could track experiential changes going on in my body, and could feel the changes kicking in in different areas of my body depending on what technique area I was focusing on, and differences in my attitude states as well. Started reading up and then also searching on the net about bio-feedback. Professionally also trained in systems theory/cybernetics, got there because of my search too, the whole nature of self organizing, self referencing systems, which humans are par excellence. Came to the conclusion that 'god/higher consciousness' type experiences where I felt connected were just second order stuff,ie that the loop connects back on itself and slips up another meta level, but that we don't have thw lingo to describe this kind of circular self-referencing, 'coming home' etc, so utilize old linear descriptions God etc. See Fritjof Capra 'The Web of Life' probably the closest to this view in popular language. Actually Capra was my initial way out from our shared programming through a number of books. The funny thing is that AI has been forced back to this circular/cybernetic view of consciousness because the linear model didn't work, and it was always very easy to show that was gonna be the case, but you know what it is with careers, funding etc Re dmt, I'll have to see if I've still got the refs, but if you do a search you'll find the stuff too. When I found out our bodies produced dmt naturally and that it was linked to spinal column/serotonin stuff it clicked becAuse what are the key experiewnces ofdmt, white light, loss of time and space, a feeling of timelessness, a feeling of universal love and communication with higher powers/being. Having now done ecstacy a few times, found my experiences were VERY similar to those I'd had for years meditating as well. Also don't forget, there was other research where a magnet was passed over the brain and even atheists had an experience of a divine presence, until the magnet was taken away. Similar stuff happens at extreme g force levels, white light etc. Also take car crashes, time slows down etc, gets trippy, sounds very dmt'ish to me. Makes a lot of sense evolutionarilly speaking that this would evolve. there's a strong melatonin/serotonin connection as well

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Date: Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 06:45:55 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: ham Subject: Not professionally !!! Message:

I wuz tinkin bot wat u say. wil leet u no after.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 16:55:15 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Salam Subject: Don't look at me! But I'll go with you to watch! Message:

I don't have see-through anything except windows (real ones that is). I have a G4, and I don't know what I can do with it, except what I need to do with it, because I am not Guru Nerdjii, I am only a humble chela-on-the-path.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 17:18:02 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: Stonor Subject: You traitor Message:

There you go, a girlie. I getting worried here, hope the other girls do not wake up to this. (Now let me see, I can hide under the table in case Cynthia, janet or someone else......)

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 17:22:35 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Salam Subject: And watch out for Bananas too! Message:

I think suchabanana uses a Mac! (maybe you should re-watch that Monty Python show where they teach you how to defend yourself from attacks involving dangerous weapons)

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 18:24:55 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: hamzen Subject: Why don't you use the three formats? Message:

I could never get QT to work on my machine. While Real player and Win Player are fine.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 18:58:39 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: Salam Subject: Economy Message:

I could use all three, in fact when I'm webstreaming from a gig we use all 3 formats, each at a choice of 3 connection speeds, which requires total of 9 compression units. But that takes and enormous amount of resource. It would be cheaper for me to buy a hundred LOTUs and send them out as freebies!! Hey you build a box that can do it all and we're onto something :)

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 15:27:02 (GMT) From: hamzen Email: None To: Bazza Subject: You in a band or summink Bazza? (nt) Message:

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 17:47:55 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: hamzen Subject: You in a band or summink Bazza? Message:

I've no musical talent to speak of, I can strum a few tunes on my guitar but Im not in a band. When I was in school I went through the usual singing tests, the teacher suggested I take up the trumpet. When I say gigs I mean my work as a videographer, which sometimes is shooting bands, sometimes news, commercials etc.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:03:59 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: Bazza Subject: Well Message:

You still have not answered my e-mail.So I do not know what you want. Until then, you're under my table.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:20:59 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Salam Subject: 'You're under my table.' what does that mean? (ot Message:

(and, 'Until then, ...) Sounds heavy, Salam.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 06:53:23 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: Stonor Subject: No it is not Message:

I have a big table, and I put most thing that I have under it. This way I know were everything is. When I lose something, I rumage through and find it. So Bazza belongs there until he tells me what he wants. ( Ever heared the term, put it on the backburnner)

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 16:44:56 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Salam Subject: Thanks for the translation, Salam Message:

I'll be looking forward to seeing a picture of that table, especially if Bazza is still under it! Do you put Tyson there sometimes too? I put things 'on' my table(s) - I lost my shoes on my desk once - maybe I should try putting things under my tables instead!

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:17:43 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Anyone knows Message:

What is the mood of blubber and EV at this festive time. You know, regarding the latest story by MD on the car accident? Lawyers go for holiday at this time. Bet ya Rawat is paying for overtime. Wait for the fund raising to arrive.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 15:14:15 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: Salam Subject: He's beyond the help of lawyers now... Message:

Lawyers can deal effectively with libel, but nobody is lying. I notice even the most vociferous apologists such as Danny and Turner do not question Michael Dettmers' veracity. Instead they question his moral standards, which - all things considered - is a pretty lame best effort. I think even Prem Rawat would have to admit that he used to call himself God but now his organisation denies it; that one of his hand-picked Mahatamas is a pedophile and he knowingly did nothing about it; that he drove his kids home whilst drunk in a fit of jealousy; that he killed a cyclist then left the scene leaving others to deal with the mess and - oh - that he has routinely used female devotees as prostitutes. You'd have to be a pretty sharp lawyer to build a libel case, I reckon. Happy christmas, hannukah, duwali, whatever, I think not...

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Date: Tues, Dec 26, 2000 at 18:28:15 (GMT) From: Joe Email: None To: Nigel Subject: Very true, Nigell, but.... Message:

But I wouldn't call the premie women whom Maharaji used for his own lust were really used as prostitutes. Prostitutes at least get paid.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 20:22:46 (GMT) From: Lesley Email: None To: Nigel Subject: He's beyond the help of lawyers now... Message:

I wonder if Marolyn or his children have made plans to cope if the MASTER comes tumbling down. He is under a lot of pressure, and if he tumbles, I would prefer him to go out with a medicated whimper than a blast that damages all the people around him.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 05:28:50 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Lesley Subject: Marolyn, get out now Message:

Good point Lesley. We know what he is made of, don't we? No saying what he might do to bring them all down with him. I think he's a dangerous person to be around because he has no conscience. Sub-human.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 05:45:56 (GMT) From: Skullcap Email: None To: Everyone Subject: The divine herb OT but can help many Message:

Natural antidepressant and claiming many more benefits? Anybody has something to say about it?

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 17:23:39 (GMT) From: bill-You dont know how to Email: None To: Skullcap Subject: live yet if you think that stuff helps.-nt Message:

dfgjd

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 05:59:04 (GMT) From: Buzz Email: None To: Skullcap Subject: The divine herb OT but can help many Message:

Smoked it a few times when the weed was in poor supply,mildly hypnotic I guess,St Johns wort seems to be an antidepressant with good abilities,maybe m should try some.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 05:52:31 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: Skullcap Subject: The answer is '42' Message:

Can you be more specific when phrasing a question? There are a million plants with medicinal properties, none of them, unfortunately, divine.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 13:04:02 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Nigel Subject: to Nigel - can you e-mail me? (OT and NT :)!) Message:

nt

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 14:45:05 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk To: Katie Subject: Of course,, but can you email me first? Message:

Same problem as with Marianne below. I can access my Uni inbox for new mail but don't have anybody's email addresses - but if you can mail me on the above address I'll reply, Katie.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 06:13:13 (GMT) From: Divine Email: None To: Nigel Subject: meaning good, just that Message:

I will post later what I know about Skullcap. I wanted to know other's points of view, if somebody has used it and how much it helped them. Is what I'm feeling psicological or the stuff is really good? Thanks

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 06:21:36 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: None To: Divine Subject: Thanks, but still not with you... Message:

Having once created a computer index of every recreational drug commonly used, together with it's popular or street name, I am still at a loss as to what skullcap might be. Are we talking mushrooms?

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:09:32 (GMT) From: janet Email: None To: Nigel Subject: scullcap-well known medicine herb.sedative Message:

i use it in combination with many other such herbs for especially shattering experiences like rape, robbery, massive fear, profound depression, emotional overwrought. got its name from the monks of the middle ages who used it to achieve states of rock-still meditation. its not a street drug. it makes you feel like there's a band around your scull when it starts to set in. you can take it in capsules of ground powder or steep it in boiled water as a tea. i combine mine with other sedatives like shavegrass(horsetail), damiana, gotu cola, valerian root,catnip...youre not supposed to take kava kava at the same time you take valerian, so i use that by itself--but, hell yeah. scullcap is well known to herbalists. maybe not to druggies but to healers it is.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 14:59:43 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: janet Subject: scullcap-information on BEST nervine discovered Message:

I take it in cupsules and noticed very good results from day one. Some herbalists state that in excess may cause liver toxity. Do you know anything about that? The bellow link includes lots of information about Scullcap. This is part of it: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is a Nervine? A nervine is a plant remedy that has a beneficial effect upon the nervous system in some way. This makes the word nervine another catch-all expression, and to study them properly it helps to differentiate them into a number of categories. It may be superfluous to point this out, but any successful treatment of nervous system problems with herbs must involve treating the whole body, heart and mind, not simply the signs of agitation and worry. Of course, the agitation can be reduced greatly, but the whole system must be strengthened in the face of the storm! The main subdivisions include: Nervine Tonic : Oats, St. John's Wort, Scullcap Nervine Relaxing : Scullcap, Valerian, Vervain Nervine Stimulating : Cola, Guarana Nervine Tonics Perhaps the most important contribution herbal medicine can make in the whole field of neurology is in strengthening and 'feeding' the nervous system. In cases of shock, stress or nervous debility, the nervine tonics strengthen and restore the tissues directly. On the other hand they can contribute to the healing of damaged nervous tissue, whether this is due to a pathological processor physical trauma. This invaluable group of remedies is best exemplified by Oats. Ginkgo is an important tonic for the nervous system, but appears to work via its vaso-dilating action on the blood vessels of the brain. This will increase oxygen availability to brain cells. Other nervine tonics that have, in addition, a relaxing effect include Scutellarialaterifolia, Verbena officinalis, Hypericum perforatum andStachys betonica. Of these relaxing nervine tonics, Scutellariais often the most effective, particularly for problems related to stress. Here is the main link: Skullcap

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 12:44:33 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: SB Subject: I thought it was the mind altering product. -nt Message:

dgadf

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:55:02 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: bill Subject: I thought it was..... Message:

I heard that some people smoke it; yes. I take it in a cupsule form and it has helped my nervous system and depression inmensely. It has many good properties but I am trying to find out if it has an effect on the liver so I can protect my liver with something else: It's working weel for me and want to continue taking it. Don't like medications much, their side-effects are bad for me. Hi Bill!! If you are the Bill I think you are. :) SB

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 22:26:35 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: SB Subject: scullcap-information on BEST nervine discovered Message:

Wow, thanks for that SB! Feliz Navidad

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 23:30:41 (GMT) From: SB Email: None To: Helen Subject: scullcap-information on BEST nervine discovered Message:

Thanks, and to you too, and your family. I'm planning in e-mailing you soon.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 11:15:37 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: janet Subject: scullcap-well known medicine herb.sedative Message:

Are you an herbalist? Even if not professionally, sounds like you have a lot of knowledge. Any suggestions for fibromyalgia?

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 12:42:26 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: Helen Subject: one success story here Helen, Message:

Hello Helen, My wife was plagued with fiber..... for a number of years. Quite bad actually. She is now just about completely out it that problem and the method was this, She started taking essential fatty acids. She started with a vitamin/mineral tab. She stopped most suger. She eats that 30/30/40 program, you know, the zone idea that you eat roughly that balance of fats, carbs and protiens at each meal. I cant say how much it has helped me that she got better. It must have been a decade that she was in that problem and it really left me with a much larger chore list. Now she is so much more active and it is great. NO more that pain and aches and sensitivity. You can talk to her if you want. 1-860-529-5268. Her name is Mary I thought the thread was about mind altering stuff.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 17:03:29 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: bill Subject: bill can I have someone call Mary? Message:

A friend in CA has FM and maybe it would help her to talk with Mary, and I need your OK.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:42:00 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: gerry Subject: bill can I have someone call Mary? Message:

This week she is taking off. She will be around here. Just keep the time difference in mind! Afternoon might be best. Hi Gerry!

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 15:08:19 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: bill Subject: Fibromyalgia started when I was a premie Message:

Very helpful, Bill. That is great that your wife is so much better. Yes, it is hard on spouses when someone has a chronic illness. I am relatively high functioning but still would like to deal better with this. I think there is an emotional/psychological component to it as well (which is born out in the research). That is the 'layer' I am working out now. I am not saying it is 'all in my head'--obviously not as I had a traumatic injury to my spine--but I think I put all my anxiety into the disease and dealt with the symptoms of the disease, rather than dealing with anxiety as an issue deserving of its own attention. In our culture it is more socially acceptable to say 'I have chronic pain physically' than to say 'I am in emotional distress' or 'I am depressed.' Certainly for me, it is very difficult to reveal these vulnerabilities. So much easier to soldier on being in tremendous physical pain than to admit to being in emotional pain. The premie thing was all about overriding the needs of my body and mind, that is when this fibromyalgia started out. Alot of premies and exes have these chronic fatigue and nervous system disorders I have noticed. Maybe that will be my next project--writing about this phenomena in cults!! Does your wife really want her phone number posted on the Internet? Just a question from one poet to another. Have a VERY happy Christmas and a fabulous new year! Love Helen

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:47:15 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: Helen Subject: Fibromyalgia started when I was a premie Message:

Hi Helen, I told her about you already. I trust the forum folks now that Mike Dettmers has calmed down the anti ex crowd. You know, lack of essential oils is medically known to cause depression. Not to say that life doesnt offer other reasons, but the same reasons are still here to find depressing, and my wife is no longer dragged down by them. She wont bs you about where she is at, feel free to call. Make her put me on too! My post might have left things out.

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Date: Tues, Dec 26, 2000 at 15:22:11 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: bill Subject: Fibromyalgia started when I was a premie Message:

It's great to hear that your wife is so much better. I also take the good kind of fat and find that it really helps. (Fish oil, primrose oil etc). If I don't call your wife it's only because I am racing around like a madwoman. Does she have email?

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 16:12:57 (GMT) From: Steve Quint Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com To: Helen Subject: Excellent Post - Thank You Message:

I received knowledge in August 77. In early 79 I started getting severe depression and fatigue and figured it was 'low blood sugar'. My physician was a premie and told me to take vitamins. In hindsight, it was the onset of very severe mental illness. Even a doctor was severly blinded by the premie trip. If you're reading this, Steve Ayre, I hope you've woken up. Maharaji Is A Very Unmasterful 'Master'. Steve

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:50:26 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: Steve Quint Subject: Excellent Post - Thank You Message:

Seems like it is not so severe as it was. That is good. You mostly seem very educated. Maybe you are not far from the 'normal' brand of nuts the rest of us are?

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 00:51:23 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Helen Subject: Fibromyalgia Article as promised (DECA + but (ot) Message:

Recovery from Fibromyalgia by Randy Gomm, BSc My experience with fibromyalgia began about 10 years ago. I was an active 36-year-old male employed as a firefighter for 11 years. I admit I was a bit of an adrenaline junkie. I enjoyed outdoor pursuits like white-water kayaking. I volunteered as a member of ski patrol and a mountain rescue team. My problems started with knee pain I believed had been caused by pushing my body too hard, but the usual rest and rehab did little to relieve my pain. Six months later, I also developed pain in my wrists, ankles, thumbs and tailbone. Any body part I overused would have acute pain the next day. I quickly learned that if I ignored the pain and carried on, my symptoms just got worse. I finally reached the stage where I could barely walk a city block or write in my journal. I knew I was in trouble when I couldn't hold onto a coffee mug or turn a doorknob with one hand because it caused such severe joint pain. Fortunately, I had supportive friends and family. At one point my resourceful and patient mother was even researching journals from university libraries on my behalf. She would read them to me over the phone as I~lay in bed with the receiver propped up against my ear. I wili be forever grateful to her. I don't know how I could have coped without all the support. Searching For Answers I underwent numerous lab tests and visits to several specialists. Since nothing showed up on these tests, one doctor even suggested that it must be 'all in my head.' I was fortunate enough to have a very kind doctor who knew me from the rescue team days and believed my symptoms were real. He referred me to another rheumatologist who ultimately diagnosed me with fibromyalgia. My diagnosis managed to satisfy the insurance company so I could collect long-term disability. Then about eight months after I had been off work, another firefighter in my four-man crew came down with similar symptoms of fatigue and muscle pain. He, too, was unable to work and the light-bulb came on: maybe we had been exposed to some toxins at work! I started to research the symptoms of toxic exposure and discovered that many were identical to those of fibromyalgia. In 1996, I attended a three-day conference during which many leading researchers in fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome revealed that most of their patienis had problems with detoxification. The toxic load of these patients was generally high, but if they worked at reducing it, their symptoms often improved dramaticallv. This explanation made sense to me. I had already met people who had fully recovered from fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome. They had all followed similar programs: improving their diets, reducing their stress levels, starting a gradual exercise program and doing some major detoxifying through herbs, supplements and sauna use. With this in mind, I began my climb from the bottom of the barrel! On The Road To Wellness Most people with fibromyalgia have a problem sleeping. I started out with a low-dose sleeping medication and then switched to St John's wort. I removed all the toxic cleaners from my home. I tried to minimize my exposure to perfumes and colognes (petroleum-based products) and new items that emitted gases. (Chances are, if a manufactured product has a strong odor, it's releasing chemicals.) I had the'silver' amalgams--which actually contain 50 per cent mercury-removed from my teeth by a dentist who specializes in the removal process. I went through a series of chelation treatments with DMPS to lower my body mercury levels. Any kind of sweating is helpful. It reduces toxic load while taking stress off the liver. I use a whole-body infrared sauna to sweat out toxins and heavy metals. Even though this kind of sauna has a comfortable temperature between 1110--130 F, users still sweat significantly. The infrared heat also penetrates the skin and causes significant pain relief. Research has shown that those with fibromyalgia have low tissue oxygen levels. Although an aerobic exercise program might be beneficial, for most people with fibromyalgia it would be too giant a step. One trick I learned is to very slowly increase the intensity and duration of any exercise. I walked faithfully at a rubberized track and increased my distance and speed over many months. I always followed with lots of gentle stretching. I tried numerous diets on my rollercoaster ride to recovery. I ate organically grown food and avoided anything processed. I made my diet more alkaline with fruit and vegetables and by adding sea vegetables to soups and stews. A small glass of apple cider vinegar sipped during a meal helped my indigestion. I eliminated all sugars so as not to feed the fungi and other critters that were thriving in my body. (Parasites and fungi produce endotoxins which add to the body's toxic load.) Stevia was a great sugar substitute, while kefir assisted in reestablishing my friendly bacteria. Last but not least, I also made sure to get my essential fatty acids. Vrooom, Vrooom! Grapeseed extract was very beneficial in reducing my pain levels. I took minerals daily, especially trace minerals and magnesium citrate. I am a great fan of S-Adenosylmethionine (SAM-e ) for improving liver function and reducing pain. I often rotated different herbs and suppIements to help my over-stressed liver. Fibromyalgia patients have problems with malabsorption, often because of intestinal dysbiosis, so they are idw in many vital nutrients. If you have fibromyalgia, don't make the mistake I did by introducing too many new things at once. If you react and your pain levels increase too much, you won't know the cause. Instead, start off with a small ddse and wait a few days before increasing. During my healing process, I was off work for eight years, but have been back working full-time for the past two years. Even though I'm not 100 per cent yet, I'm getting closer all the time. I refuse to buy the common perception that fibromyalgia is a life sentence. I truly believe one can fully recover. It's a iot of work but the rewards at the end of the journey make it well worth it. Randy Gomm resides in Vancouver, BC and is an independent researcher investigating various detoxification protocols. from Alive Magazine, October 2000. Merry Mithrasmas to you and all your family and friends, Helen! Love, Anna (will email this to you as well)

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 05:16:53 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Fibromyalgia Article as promised (DECA + but (ot) Message:

WOW--that was great. I read the whole thing. Wonderful. Thank you so much. I am taking part in a fibromyalgia study. (No drugs, it focusses on pain management), basically I will be getting--free--some excellent pain management therapy. I am psyched. I got some grape seed extract and I will let you know the results. next stop--elimating sugar and cutting down on coffee. Thanks for the encouragement and for taking the time. Merry Pagan Christmas to ya (I always say I celebrate pagan Christmas but I do love the religious choral music this time of year). Helen

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Date: Tues, Dec 26, 2000 at 20:10:03 (GMT) From: Disculta Email: None To: Helen Subject: Some ideas on MCS, Fibro, CFS, pain... Message:

I have fibromyalgia and cfs and mcs. Started when I was a premie (it's been 20 years!). The main reason I post and read here is because I am unravelling the ways the premie experience programmed certain health-depleting tendencies (which were already no doubt present in miasmic form)into my nervous system and body-brain. I take a whole bunch of stuff including adrenal annd thyroid hormones (prescription, in very low doses). I have had trenendous help from a device called the PAPIMI which is high-powered megnetic healing. The machine costs $40K but they are all over the world and you can get treated on one in many cities. www.papimi.org. I have only in the past couple of years realized the degree of problem which comes from the gut. I think glutamine helps. I had a reading with a medical intuitive from England on the phone who told me in absolute detail what was wrong with me from head to foot. It was quite amazing, especially since I've had a lot of pathetically bad medical psychic work in my long tour of illness. She knew details that my husband doesn't know. My M.D. referred me to her, and is running various treatment options by her. She is expensive ($250 for the diagnosis) but it seems to be paying off. I want to get a full-body infra-red sauna, like described in the article. I have a partial one, which I love to lie under. The problem I have is that the kinds of agressive cleansing that I might need tend to whack out my adrenals more than ever. I have to go slowly. Mainly, I am interested in completely recreating my body in love, and part of this is still a bit of archeological digging about the ways that 12 years as a super-devoted premie contributed to the patterns of illness I got into. There is a book, available from Allergy Research (do a web search) aabout MCS. It details a cleansing program using saunas and coffee enemas and rectal nutrients that several people I know have been brought back to life with. The book costs ten bucks I think, and gives you exact details. It takes a few weeks to complete the protocol. I couldn't get very far because of the adrenal thing, but I believe it has helped many people. I have a hard time exercising because of back pain, except in warm water. I have these foam weights I strap on to wrists, ankles and waist, and I just dance around in the pool. After about half an hour I feel fantastic, and it lasts, and I am getting muscles back. I just moved from the apartment where I had a pool, and I have ordered an above-ground kiddies' pool online which I am going to keep very warm, and work out in the yard of my house. The water will be ozonated, which is a health help in itself. Pain is a big issue for me. I can't take any drugs. I tried tiny crumbs of ssri's recently, and got very ill. The things that work also knock me out. I know MSM and bromelain help many. I am focusing on health, rather than illness. This has been a recent revelation. I found myself on the spot when I tried to imagine being completely healthy. There is a tape called Bodily Conditions from www.abraham-hicks.com which is incredibly inspiring re the unlimited possibilities. I highly recommend this tape. Warning: it's channelled, and challenging! I've found that it's easy to get cynical and disappointed and create a whole identity around my 'hopless condition' which becomes quite difficult for health to penetrate. The subtle victim stance meets some secondary needs, as someone mentioned above. This is all still unfolding for me, and I welcome this discussion, especially in regard to how our premie experience may have contributed and how we can help deprogram each other from these aspects of our cult experience. Love Disculta

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Date: Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 00:54:15 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: Disculta Subject: Some ideas on MCS, Fibro, CFS, pain... Message:

Thanks, Disculta.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:10:31 (GMT) From: Sir Dave Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com To: Stonor Subject: Fibromyalgia Article as promised (DECA + but (ot) Message:

Since I've got fibromyalgia, CFS and MCS I'll save this article. I've received zero help from the medical profession in Britain from all of this, maybe this could point me in the right direction. Thanks for posting it.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:59:18 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Fibromyalgia Article as promised (DECA + but (ot) Message:

It was for you too, Sir Dave, but I feel like anyone with one of these related illnesses must have all this stuff. Hope it can be of any use. And here's a little more from before: MSG and fibromyalgia 1 MSG and fibromyalgia 2

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 16:37:56 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: Helen Subject: Pardon me, but here is a helpful link Message:

Hi Helen, Check out this website: www.essiactea.com Early 20th century I think, a Canadian nurse named Rene Caisse discovered an old Ojibwa native American recipe that cures cancer and dissolves tumors, but in the good old USA these claims cannot be made before the FDA and the Pharmies get their claws into it. The Ojibwas lived up around Lake Superior as far back as 10,000 years ago and were regarded by the thousands of other tribal nations as the healers. I drink the Essiac tea and keep it around as a preventative measure. It is very earthy. Made from about four or five simple common herbs, the synergistic effect is from the ancient formula and percentages of each. I hope you check this site out and show it to anyone with cancer or tumors or anyone with a family history of same. It could save a life or two. Essiac tea can be bought or ordered in many health food stores in the USA. A Very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year! Sandy Hi Helen,I think your name is from the same origin as my wife Eileen's name. It has something to do with torches and lights.Check out this website: www.essiactea.comEarly 20th century I think, a Canadian nurse named Rene Caisse discovered an old Ojibwa native American recipe that cures cancer and dissolves tumors, but in the good old USA these claims cannot be made before the FDA and the Pharmies get their claws into it.Those are the real drug pushers and the real problem...pharmacaeafrom the Greek also has meanings relating to sorcery and other dark stuff in place of Nature as the healer and source of medicines. But I digress....The Ojibwas live up around Lake Superior as far back as 10,000 years ago and were regarded by the thousands of other tribal nations as the healers. I drink the Essiac tea and keep it around as a preventative measure. It is very earthy. Made from about four or five simple common herbs, the synergistic effect is from the ancient formula and percentages of each.I hope you check this site out and show it to anyone with cancer or tumors or anyone with a family history of same. It could save a life or two. Essiac tea can be bought or ordered in many health food stores in the USA. A Very Merry Christmas and a Happy and Healthy New Year!Sandy '>

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 22:23:45 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: shp Subject: Pardon me, but here is a helpful link Message:

Great, Sandy! Thank you so much! And Merry Christmas and a happy, healthy new year to you and you wife and kids.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 21:34:42 (GMT) From: Elaine Email: None To: shp Subject: Pardon me, but here is a helpful link Message:

How were you able to post outside those lines?

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 03:16:21 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: Elaine Subject: Pardon me, but here is a helpful link Message:

Elaine, I am not sure how it happened. But just prior to it happening, my son needed the computer, and I was not quite done with the post, so I copied it in .cgi format to my desktop and later recopied it to the Forum submit page. That's when it showed up. I have no idea how it happened. Sandy

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 03:24:45 (GMT) From: Stonorji Email: None To: shpji Subject: Sureji, ... you have no ideaji how it happenedji! Message:

You're not fooling anyone, gurusandinerdji! You know what you are doing and why! I am stiffling my laughter!! Annaji

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 03:31:49 (GMT) From: sandyji Email: None To: Stonorji Subject: The explanation is thusly.... Message:

I was most of the way done with composing that post. My son needed to use the 'puter right away, so I copied the submit page with my almost finished note to my own desktop in .cgi format. (I have no idea what .cgi format is, but that is how it showed up.) It looked like html or something. My son converted it to a text document which I later, after my son was done with the 'puter, copied from desktop back to the submit page on the post I wanted to respond to. Then I noticed how the message was both in the box and outside the box too. I'm out of the box! Sandy

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 03:53:13 (GMT) From: Stonorji Email: None To: sandyji Subject: Congratulationsji!!! Message:

Who'd a thunk you'd done it like you didji! FV: breaking all the rules perfectjily!

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 22:59:56 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Elaine Subject: You're right Elaine - some tech-glitch in shp's Message:

You're right Elaine - some tech-glitch in shp's post. If I don't get back to you sooner, Elaine, and anyone else, Merry Mithrasmas! Anna

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 21:53:25 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: Elaine Subject: the answer is 'within inside...' Message:

Ya dope...

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 03:18:35 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: gerry Subject: I must have reached a new stage of consciousness. Message:

I can write outside the lines!! Merry gerryness! Sandy

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 05:25:27 (GMT) From: Helen Email: None To: shp Subject: I must have reached a new stage of consciousness. Message:

It's a Christmas miracle!

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 19:30:45 (GMT) From: Kelly Email: None To: shp Subject: Another link for essiac Message:

Hi Sandy, I also take essiac from time to time as a general tonic but also as a preventative for cancer because there is so much of it in my family. People I have told and people they have told have been cured, some quite serious cases, some haven't, but definitely worth checking out. Sorry i haven't got round to figuring out how to post a direct link. It's www.essiac-info.org A good general information site about all aspects of essiac. Thanks for your post about video formats etc. I'm chasing it. love kelly

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 16:52:27 (GMT) From: Steve Quint Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com To: shp Subject: Hi There Message:

Hello Sandy. I'm a fellow Jew who just wants to wish you a Happy Chanukah. My closest friend happens to be an Ojibway from Lake Superior. All The Best in the coming year. Steve

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 18:44:47 (GMT) From: shp Email: None To: Steve Quint Subject: Steve, you said you're Jewish, here's THE song Message:

Hi Steve, Here is Adam Sandler's Hannukah Song, since you said you were Jewish...maybe someone at your dinner party will have a guitar and know how to play it. Time to take a break and have a little nachas, eh? Too much tzurus (trouble) without a little nachas (joy) is not good...so have fun. Sandy The Hanukkah Song by Adam Sandler Intro: This is a song, that uh, theres alot of Xmas songs out there, but not too many about Hanukkah, so I wrote a song for all those nice little Jewish kids who dont get to hear any Hanukkah songs--here we go... [A] Put on your [E] yalmulka, [D] here comes [E] Hanukkah Its [A] so much [E] fun-akkah to [D] celebrate [E]Hanukkah, [A]Hanukkah [E]is the [D] Festival of [E] Lights, [A] Instead of one day of [E] presents, we have [Bm] eight [D] crazy [E] nights. [A] When you feel like the only [E] kid in town with[D]out a Xmas [E]tree, [A] Heres a list of [E] people who are Jewish, [D] just like you and [E] me: [A] David Lee [E] Roth [D] lights the me[E]norrah, [A] So do James [E] Caan, Kirk Douglas, and the [D] late Dinah [E]Shore-ah [A] Guess who eats to[E]gether at the [D] Karnickey [E] Deli, [A] Bowzer from [E] Sha-na-na, and [D] Arthur Fonzer[E]relli. [A] Paul Newmans half [E] Jewish; [D] Goldie Hawns half [E] too, [A] Put them to[E]gether--what a [D] fine lookin [E] Jew! [Esus] [E] [D] You dont need Deck the Halls or Jingle Bell Rock [E] Cause you can spin the dreidl with Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock--both Jewish! [Esus] [A] Put on your [E] yalmulka, its [D] time for [E] Hanukkah, The [A] owner of the Seattle Super[E]sonic-ahs [D] celebrates [E] Hanukkah. [A] O.J. [E] Simpson--[D] not a [E] Jew! But [A] guess who [E]is...Hall of [D] Famer--Rod [E]Carew--(he converted!) [Bm] [A] We got Ann [E] Landers and her [D] sister Dear Ab[E]by, [A] Harrison Fords a [E] quarter Jewish--[D] not too [E] shabby! [A] Some people [E] think that [D] Ebeneezer [E] Scrooge is, Well, hes [A] not, but [E] guess who is: [D] All three [E] stooges. [Esus] [E] [D] So many Jews are in show biz-- [E] Tom Cruise isnąt, [tacit] but I heard his agent is. [Esus] [A] Tell your friend Ver[E]onica, its [D] time you celebrate [E] Hanukkah I [A] hope I get a har[E]monica, on this [D] lovely, lovely [E] Hanukkah. So [A] drink your gin-and-[E]tonic-ah, and [D]smoke your mara[E]juanic-ah, If you [A] really, really [E]wanna-kah, Have a [D] happy, happy, [E] happy, happy [A] Hanukkah. Adam Sandler Web space / cgi programming provided by SwebS

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 06:35:39 (GMT) From: Buzz Email: None To: Nigel Subject: Thanks, but still not with you... Message:

just a herb.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 14:54:06 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: None To: Buzz Subject: Ok, it makes sense now... Message:

I thought someone called 'Skullcap' was enquiring about the weed or some other chemical intoxicant not much favoured by regulatory authorities. Thanks for clarification (and Janet).

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 05:28:07 (GMT) From: la-ex Email: None To: Everyone Subject: meeting with lawywer from maharishi case...??'s Message:

through a number of coincidences, I have learned that I may be meeting with the lawyer who supposedly sued maharishi and the TM organization... I didn't know that maharishi died.Is this true? a friend told me that he died, and that a number of women came forward with wierd scandalous stories about the maharishi...they sued and won. I will probably be meeting with the lawyer who tried and won the case against maha and the TMer's... Does anyone have any questions that might be interesting or relevant to ask? If so, please post, and I will try to oblige...

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 18:18:22 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: la-ex Subject: here's a question for you/him: Message:

Is the Maha (raji, not rishi) culpable of neglecting to tell the IRS that EV should no longer be entitled to the tax-free status allowed to churches, seeing that he now claims his 'teachings' have nothing to do with religion? Good luck!

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 13:27:57 (GMT) From: Steve Quint Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com To: la-ex Subject: meeting with lawywer from maharishi case...??'s Message:

If you would care to email me I will respond, as I would rather discuss this offline. If you include a phone number I'll call you. Thanks. Steve

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:19:18 (GMT) From: janet Email: None To: la-ex Subject: meeting with lawywer from maharishi case...??'s Message:

another student of his recently sued for breach of contract when he paid thousands of dollars at maharishi university and failed to attain 'yogic flying' or complete peace of mind and 'reversal of the aging process'. the jury saw it his way, and he was awarded $150,000.00 dollars for the maharishi's failure to deliver. also--go to www.trancenet.org and read up on their in house horror. child neglect, molestation, abandonment, unconcern for the whereabouts of their children, systematic sexual degradation of the young students by the devotee brothers who were thought to be supervising and teaching them at their boarding schools, making the kids sleep on bare cement floors, bathe in cold water, perform fellatio on their teachers every night. ask if this person would like to represent us, and a class action suit brought by us, on behalf of all the devotees maharaji has ripped off--with esp reparations to the families of the suicides, molestations and psychiatric hospitalizations.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 04:38:02 (GMT) From: DB Email: None To: janet Subject: Don't say it: Do it. He is going to Message:

hide his assets and you'll get 0

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 17:13:52 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: janet Subject: Am in Message:

How much is for wanting to kill my self, thanks, A million, two, what is the price of life?

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 19:18:17 (GMT) From: Oliver Email: None To: Salam Subject: Price of Life? Message:

Hi Salam, Life is priceless, especially yours you crazy westie. How are you coping with the heat? Am thinking of coming out of the closet and writing my journey. Do you think that's a bit manic? Wonderful stories including that of lying on the floor in the back room at the William St Satsang venue, unable to move due to severe side effects which locked up my spine. No one came near me but someone was posted on the other side of the door to ensure no intersested suckers stumbled across me and gave me some assistance. Or the time blah, blah fucking blah. I need a scanner for a 'stick it up the Mental Health system' project I am involved in. Any of those ones that you destroyed trying to scan WIGM salvageable? If so, I'll make you an offer you can't refuse. Your right, Rawat sucks.

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 06:41:27 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: Oliver Subject: There you go Message:

I did not think you were so desperate. Now what can I say. Duhhh, I have a scanner, still brand new in the box, if you want to give me 110 Aussie do-llars you can have it. Do not knowwhat you doing in a closet, are you a cloth hanger? Writing a journey is like revealing yourself to the world, a very refreshing confrontation. Take it easy, it is x-mas time and toilet paper in demand (forgot to say, I already used the book, do you have another copy) Heared that Rawat has the major role in 'Deep Throat in Punjab', do not know could be rumers, but they needed a scene with a pilot and a jet. Salam

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 11:00:15 (GMT) From: Oliver Email: None To: Salam Subject: Re:There you go Message:

>I did not think you were so desperate. Now what can I say. >Duhhh, I have a scanner, still brand new in the >box, if you >want to give me 110 Aussie do-llars you can have it. It’s a deal. Hang on to it and, when the silly season is done with, we’ll do the business. That will give me a chance to hang around a few traffic lights with a plastic bucket and a big grin and raise the necessary. >Do not knowwhat you doing in a closet, are you a cloth hanger? No I am a white Anglo-Saxon Aussie matey and we are on the point of revolting. In fact, very revolting at times. >Writing a journey is like revealing yourself to the world, a >very refreshing confrontation. >Take it easy, it is x-mass time and toilet paper in demand (forgot to say, I already used the book, do you >have another >copy) I know, I do it all the time. Just have not done it here yet. No that was my only copy but I have an alcoholic/ bipolar/ADD/ fellow traveler acquaintance that loves second hand bookshops. He found that one for me and is currently looking for an out of print copy of Asimov’s ‘The end of the universe.’ You haven’t got a copy of that have you? Anyway, I’ll get him on the case; it’s just as easy to look for two books as it is for one. He’ll be stoked. Of course, if you are short of toilet paper you could use torn up bits of the Sydney Morning Herald. Bit rough but very absorbent. >Heared that Rawat has the major role in 'Deep Throat in >Punjab', do not know could be rumers, but they needed a scene >with a pilot and a jet. That’s news to me but then I don’t get around much anymore. Too busy trying to stay cool in this heat. How much can a koala bear? I’ll be in touch. ;)

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 13:34:21 (GMT) From: Oliver Email: None To: janet Subject: Pschiatric Hospitalizations Message:

I'll have to check the files but I had around 6-7 acute admissions during the 15 years I was in the cult. I'm prepared to settle for US$10,000 per admission and will donate 50% of anything received to EPO, so help me God.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 13:37:29 (GMT) From: Steve Quint Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com To: Oliver Subject: Psychiatric Hospitalizations Message:

I've had four for a total of five months and my life has been pretty much shattered. I think your valuation is cheap, but it's your business. Steve

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:39:46 (GMT) From: janet Email: None To: Steve Quint and oliver Subject: Psychiatric Hospitalizations Message:

my father shelled out 50 thou and spent 4500 of my inheritance to put me in for nine months in 1981. then i lost custody of my son from age three to age 19, and when he came back he had schizophrenia and mania. we're both lifers on disability now. i was headed for a PhD in Psychology when gmj derailed me. i'll have to figure it up.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 14:04:13 (GMT) From: Oliver Email: None To: Steve Quint Subject: Thanks for the spell check Steve. (nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 04:29:55 (GMT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Everyone Subject: A Little Holiday Feminist Cheer....Enjoy.....!(OT) Message:

Hi Everyone, a good friend (who lives a half mile away) emailed me this: According to the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, while both male and female reindeer grow antlers in the summer each year (the only members of the deer family, Cervidae, to have females do so); the male reindeer drop their antlers at the beginning of winter, usually late November to mid December. Female reindeer retain their antlers till after they give birth in the spring. Therefore, according to every historical rendition depicting Santa's reindeer, every single one of them, from Rudolph to Blitzen........had to be a girl! A woman! Should've known. Only women would be able to drag a fat man in a red velvet suit all around the world in one night, and not get lost! (At least not for too long):::))))<<<::))>>> <(santa) (Especially after he ''lost the crown jewels'') Sorry, guys, it's a joke (smirk)...

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 07:17:55 (GMT) From: such Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Ok. Some think feminist humor is an oxymoron (ot Message:

Hi Cynthia: As part of my professional work, I researched feminist articles, books, and materials for about 10 years. Gender Feminist 'humor' and jokes usually entail a sexist dig at the males of the species, or related stereotyping [misandroist]. Reversed, I think most feminists would not find the jokes humorous at all, but either objectionable or misogynist. e.g. flip-side of something YOu wrote: 'Should've known. Only men would be able to drag a fat lady in a red velvet suit all around the world in one night, and not get lost! (At least not for too long):::))))<<>> (Especially after she ''lost her 'genitalia')' 'smirk' Please read Dr. Somers' informative research, Princeton University. Also, the book, 'Who Stole Feminism?'; and the books of Dr. Warren Farrell (e.g. 'Why Men are the Way They Are'). In this case, however, I don't think anyone is offended. United we stand, divided we fall. Actually, I think the 'crown jewels' was a pretty good pun, in this instance. Peace,

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:18:16 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: such Subject: Ok. I think '...ist' humour is an oxymoron (ot) Message:

Hi such, I think any '...ist' humour is an oxymoron. I did a search on one (so far) of the individuals you mention above, Dr. Warren Farrell. Dr. Warren Farrell's Website Feminist discussion of Dr. Warren Farrell's work I enjoyed checking these out. When I was doing a philosophy course in my undergraduate degree, I wrote a paper on Simone de Beauvoir's 'Second Sex'. I found it biased, and raised the ire of my professor when I wrote that if women were so 'unbalanced', that men must likewise be equally 'un-balanced.' I am a big fan of Bly, so I found the 'feminist' equation of Farrell and Bly quite confusing. It undermined someone's argument. Thanks for the scoop. Anna

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:25:42 (GMT) From: suchaboneanna-soulmates? Email: None To: Stonor Subject: u 2? Bly rules! Bay--bee,I am a poet, at heart (nt Message:

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:35:55 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: suchaboneanna-soulmates? Subject: Aaah cut it out such! Ya crashed my computer. Message:

C'mon, talk straight, what do you like about Bly. Are you famiiar with Marion Woodman?

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 04:14:07 (GMT) From: such Email: None To: Stonor Subject: Iron John (ot Message:

What do I like about Robert Bly? For starters: the elegance, truths, and insight to be found within 'Iron John' - and how its soulful echoes resounded like ripples, bridging the gulf between me and my dad! Marion Woodman -- any relation to that tin guy w/ the ax in Oz? Sorry, i m so bad about names [except 'holy name', and yours, of course]. Peace and LOL,

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 04:28:45 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: such Subject: Not much on Iron John here ... (ot? where am I?) Message:

Was he that helpful? I gave 'Iron John' to my father over 10 years ago. We have, as I say, a good dialogue. But Bly, and similar ideas, is/are much bigger than that. Merry Mithrasmas, such! Anna

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:15:13 (GMT) From: sucha Email: None To: such Subject: or a foxymoron (ot(nt Message:

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:24:28 (GMT) From: Stonora Email: None To: sucha Subject: This isn't in response to my post, right? (nt) Message:

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:35:12 (GMT) From: such Email: None To: Stonora Subject: Anna, I m going 2 emale u, but b discrete (ot)nt Message:

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:28:09 (GMT) From: such Email: None To: Stonora Subject: no.but we are doing it in almost realtime LOL (nt) Message:

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:39:15 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: such Subject: LOL! Stop it, such! (nt) Message:

It's not like that at FV - this is a very difficult initiation happening here! Suffer, you fool; I won't post my email again! ;-)

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 05:46:54 (GMT) From: Buzz Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: A Little Holiday Feminist Cheer....Enjoy.....!(OT) Message:

Now now deer don't get carried away:)

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 07:23:12 (GMT) From: such Email: None To: Buzz Subject: Rein it in, deer;but don't rein on our parade! (nt Message:

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:23:36 (GMT) From: janet Email: None To: such Subject: that's 'RAIN'-(...typical male mistake...)nt Message:

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 09:59:48 (GMT) From: suchie Email: None To: janet Subject: )( {_ () \/ E U 2 ***** (nt Message:

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 01:18:25 (GMT) From: suchabananda Email: None To: janet Subject: when all intelligence fails,just bash the males(nt Message:

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 18:30:58 (GMT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: suchabananda Subject: Okay, okay....you know something? Message:

I had no intention of bashing males....a joke is a joke is a joke. I could send you to several sites where there are plenty of female dumb blonde jokes, which I laugh at, too. Ask my hubby, there is no, absolutely no ''male bashing'' in a serious sense, allowed in our home (I went through that phase several years ago and Tom taught me how offensive it is). I thought the joke about the reindeer was both informative and funny. But.... Never mind.... Everyone, I wish you all a very happy holiday season, and sorry if I offended anyone...not my intention. Foret about it, Love, Cynthia

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:31:46 (GMT) From: such Email: None To: Cynthia and Everyone Subject: Have a MERRY XMAS! PEACE + LOVE, da lil' swami (nt Message:

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 20:21:13 (GMT) From: such Email: None To: janet and Ms. Androists Subject: r.e. message: You've got dingbats in your belfry Message:

Janet, Pun was 2 deep for u. Lighten up!I know RAIN! How many 'gender feminists' does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Impossible, that's a non sequitur. They'll just stand around for hours arguing and blaming it on a male - Thomas Edison. You want Spelling? I'll give you Spelling. You know Aaron? You want RAIN? I'll give you RAIN! [Actually, you kind of remind me of 'RAINMAN'...] I see from your message that you've got dingbats in your belfry. Peace,

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:37:29 (GMT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: such Subject: If I thought the joke would cause such angst... Message:

I would have just sent it to my friends who like a good healthy, non-philisophical, non-analytical, well, umm..joke. I'm not about to read Bly for any reason, I think he's a jerk. How 'bout this one: Two lesbian frogs finish making love and one turns to the other and says 'It's true what they say, we do taste like chicken!' Lighten up, ladies.....and gents. Love, Cynthia

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 06:51:26 (GMT) From: Buzz Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: If I thought the joke would cause such angst... Message:

Whats the differance between a snow man and a snow woman? Snowballs:)

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 09:46:31 (GMT) From: suchaBanana Email: None To: Buzz Subject: + the banana split... (nt Message:

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 04:19:43 (GMT) From: suchabananer Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Once had a frog in my throat,but didn't eat it (nt Message:

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:50:40 (GMT) From: Stonora Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: love ya Cynthia ... Message:

It's been fun! Merry Mithrasmas to you! Love, Anna

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 04:27:10 (GMT) From: The Hampster Email: None To: Everyone Subject: The pipeline Message:

Wonder if we could get a parabolic reflector near enough the mansion to hear the conversations. There are ways to tap phones you know. Then ya'll could get it straight from the horses mouth. Maybe it's like illegal but the public or at least you need to know. Might be fun.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 18:02:18 (GMT) From: Marianne Email: None To: The Hampster Subject: Not a good idea Message:

No one should be doing anything illegal in order to get information about M or EV. Hampster, if you're a well meaning ex, this just is not a good idea. And if you're a premie, maybe the same person who made the Graciousness post, unplug your computer and meditate. Marianne

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:28:12 (GMT) From: j of v Email: None To: The Hampster Subject: u want a directional mike.research surveillance.nt Message:

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 01:38:26 (GMT) From: la-ex Email: None To: Everyone Subject: part time business for someone ... Message:

Just a thought- With so many creative people here, why don't we design something and sell it...we could compete with EV's shri hans coffee cups, swan watches, commemorative gold coins or wall plates, I'm sure... the proceeds could pay for this site,maybe we could even send a gift to lard (some type of wise ass t-shirt or something) for his birthday, an occasional gift for someone like Pat Halley... also...does anyone have any ideas about streaming video for this site? just a thought....

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:37:03 (GMT) From: janet Email: None To: la-ex Subject: we have a few choice images already on the web.. Message:

Roger's 'boobs' shot would make a great t-shirt. and the same for the famous fuck-you image. the toilet bowl parody shot of his website opening page is another.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 17:42:20 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: janet Subject: we have a few choice images already on the web.. Message:

Can we have them printed on toilet paper? Or will that mean we are getting shafted?

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 19:08:21 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: Salam Subject: we have a few choice images already on the web.. Message:

I think that comes under 'Fair Use'' Salam :-o

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 17:20:04 (GMT) From: la-ex Email: None To: janet Subject: I agree..boobs would be killer t-shirt...nt Message:

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 17:26:31 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: bshaw8@bellsouth.net To: la-ex Subject: I agree..boobs would be killer t-shirt...nt Message:

Where is that pic - I make just make one of those iron-on transfers! BTW any luck with the video clip? I need a consensus of opinion on format, maybe I'll stick up a post. barry

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 04:10:32 (GMT) From: Stonor Email: None To: Bazza Subject: I want a 'boobs t-shirt' !!! ... Message:

I want a 'boobs t-shirt' !!! But I can't promise to wear it in public.

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 19:42:19 (GMT) From: Oliver Email: None To: Bazza Subject: T-shirts Message:

I have a great t-shirt idea. When I can find time to have a sample made it will appear here first

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 02:38:47 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: la-ex Subject: part time business for someone ... Message:

also...does anyone have any ideas about streaming video for this site? What, you mean like this? A Pie To Die For Extract from 'Lord of the Universe' © Subtle Communications Inc., 1991, used in accordance with Fair Use of USC Copyright Act

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 02:43:29 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: Bazza Subject: Fair Use link error Message:

Correct link: USC Title 17 Copyright Act Fair Use provisions

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 05:07:26 (GMT) From: la-ex Email: None To: Bazza Subject: bazza-does that mean we can show videos... Message:

on this site? It seems to say that we can. I couldn't download the pie video, by the way...any suggestions? Isn't streaming video easier? m has one on his site...my understanding is that if it's small in size, it's pretty good quality and doesn't have to be downloaded...is this true? do you think it would be a good idea for this site? videos of m, videos of exes talking about things about m...?

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 05:33:53 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: bshaw8@bellsouth.net To: la-ex Subject: hmmm haaa mmmmph Message:

You'll need to email me for full details. This is just a teaser. The clip is in .rm format, you need a free player - Real Player 8 from www.real.com If you are running IE it will open up and stream (depending on how you set your clip buffer), if you are running Netscape you will have to download it and save it first, then open the Real Player and load it. M.'s site uses QuickTime. I dont have QuickTime Producer, just Real Producer which has better quality. The source for this was 8/16mm film dubbed to VHS then replicated and finally captured, so the quality is a bit grim. What exactly happened when you clicked on the link? If you want tech help you'll have to email me, as I'll need details of your system if there's a problem. If all else fails buy the video at amazon!! bazza

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 09:40:10 (GMT) From: janet Email: None To: Bazza Subject: webtv can only use windows media player Message:

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Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 15:54:09 (GMT) From: bazza Email: None To: janet Subject: I'll keep that in mind, thanx janet NT Message:

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 18:28:11 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: bazza Subject: Bazza - IT WORKED!!!! Amazing! Can you post the Message:

... ah say, can you post the scene from Houston Airport where the Maha says 'it's time for everybody to realise who is God' ? and the Mata-ji interview where a reporter asks her about the Mercedes? . . . Hey, best Xmas present yet! (admittedly, I haven't opened any others) Cool yule to you. Chris

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Date: Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 20:05:21 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: cq Subject: Working on it. Happy Crimble nt Message:

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Date: Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 15:53:14 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Bazza Subject: Great! Looking forward to Sant's demise from the Message:

cult credibility stakes... as opposed to Santa's!

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