Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 16:11:01 (GMT)
From: Dec 23, 2000 To: Jan 04, 2001 Page: 3 Of: 5


Sir Dave -:- See Haharaji do the Chicken Dance! -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 01:38:04 (GMT)
__ Steve Quint -:- See Haharaji do the Chicken Dance! -:- Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 01:46:49 (GMT)
__ Aussi Ji -:- What a classic -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 23:46:43 (GMT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- I almost spilled my tea on my PC's keyboard! -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 08:26:56 (GMT)
__ __ Disculta -:- Did you hear about the guy who got implants....? -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 19:07:12 (GMT)
__ __ Tim Matheson -:- Did OUR LORD have breast enlargement op.?(nt) -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 09:52:11 (GMT)
__ SynchronisticTransvestite -:- I'll take this knowledge,if I get him too! nt -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 05:53:15 (GMT)
__ TED Farkel -:- HOLY SMOKES,that'll play big in alabama LOLnt -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 05:51:15 (GMT)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- Check out the She-Male God Revue -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:31:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- .....And I am sooooooooo Grateful!!!!!!! -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 18:09:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ Gurulesque -:- Boom shakalakalaka Boom shakalakalaka Boom Boom nt -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:51:47 (GMT)
__ __ Ticket Shark -:- 500 USD for front row seats. (nt) -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:20:43 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- You are my mother ........ (nt) -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 02:17:26 (GMT)
__ __ Stonor -:- Anyone seen the 'Kids in the Hall's 'Chicken Lady' -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:02:42 (GMT)

JHB -:- Maharaji's children and the internet -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 23:05:46 (GMT)
__ Aussi Ji -:- Here Yee! -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 23:15:09 (GMT)

Suzanne -:- Little did we know it was that bad. -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 20:56:57 (GMT)
__ Aussi Ji -:- You can say that again! -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 23:09:22 (GMT)
__ Lesley -:- Little did we know it was that bad. -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 21:42:08 (GMT)
__ __ sucha -:- wondering if m. received Knowledge of any STDs (nt -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 00:55:26 (GMT)

Ian Johnson -:- Search -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:32:42 (GMT)
__ Bazza -:- I got a better one for you -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:43:13 (GMT)
__ Aussi Ji -:- What the fuck is it -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 23:32:05 (GMT)
__ __ IJ -:- What the fuck is it -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 00:12:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ Aussi Ji -:- What the fuck is it -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 02:34:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Oliver -:- Are you fair dinkum? -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 19:26:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Aussi Ji -:- I'm fair dinkum and having a ball -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 23:23:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ IJ -:- re What the fuck is it -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 12:31:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ AUSSI jI -:- re What the fuck is it -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 23:17:24 (GMT)
__ Gen. Manuel Suchabanana -:- da boat,I see da boat! Now I have Serenity,too (nt -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 20:34:59 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- Hey, this definitely deserves a permanent link! -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:37:34 (GMT)
__ __ Mickey de Panamá -:- Las Esclusas de Miraflores -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 20:27:32 (GMT)

Jim -:- EV's Newsletter Editorial : '2000 Retrospective' -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:28:57 (GMT)
__ JHB -:- Seriously - What is 'Auto Knowledge'??? (nt) -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 23:44:10 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- Absolute power + immortality? -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 19:29:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ Steve Quint -:- Auto Knowledge -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 22:58:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Bazza -:- Auto Knowledge -:- Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 00:06:26 (GMT)
__ __ Bazza -:- Seriously - What is 'Auto Knowledge'??? -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:34:35 (GMT)
__ __ Elan Vital -:- Seriously - What is 'Auto Knowledge'??? (nt) -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 23:51:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- Tell to the London cab-drivers! ... -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 15:13:46 (GMT)
__ JHB -:- I want Auto Knowledge!!! -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:49:36 (GMT)
__ __ IJ -:- I want Auto Knowledge!!! -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 20:49:30 (GMT)

JHB -:- Vacancies at Elan Vital -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 18:18:24 (GMT)
__ Oliver. -:- Post Knowledge Care Manager.......LOL!......nt -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:41:16 (GMT)
__ __ JTF -:- Post Knowledge Care Manager...Why it's needed -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 13:01:19 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- Independent Organizations? -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 18:24:47 (GMT)
__ __ JHB -:- What the gibberish means -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 18:50:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ Marianne -:- Vacancies -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 20:16:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ JHB -:- Weather Report (ot) -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 22:58:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Bazza -:- Latvia (ot) -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:07:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Bazza -:- Found it (Latvia) OT -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:49:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ JHB -:- Found it (Latvia) OT -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 22:36:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Bazza -:- The reason I thought it was a joke/OT -:- Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 00:30:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Bazza -:- Hang on John, we may be wrong/OT -:- Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 02:33:58 (GMT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Vacancies at Elan Vital -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 18:22:40 (GMT)
__ __ Joe -:- Vacancies at Elan Vital -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 18:26:34 (GMT)

Joe -:- Aren't M's Sexual Abuses really about Power? -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 18:07:32 (GMT)
__ Disculta -:- Blowing the whistle -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 00:55:40 (GMT)
__ suchabanana -:- Perhaps Marolyn was 'withholing sex'? (nt -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 00:40:36 (GMT)
__ Cynthia -:- Aren't M's Sexual Abuses really about Power? YES! -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 23:23:42 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- Cynthia -- with all due respect ................. -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 03:18:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Jim-- with all due respect back................. -:- Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 19:18:44 (GMT)
__ Bin Liner -:- Of course they're about Power , I agree -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 22:49:28 (GMT)
__ Jerry -:- Maybe, maybe not -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:51:08 (GMT)
__ __ Fuktbihymns -:- Are ya jellus we got laid by the lord!!! -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:44:38 (GMT)
__ __ Susan -:- insensitive I think -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 05:03:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jerry -:- I suppose you're right -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 14:28:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Susan -:- Thanks and I think you have a point with aftermath -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 18:10:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Doesn't it depend on the woman and all that? -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 21:08:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- I agree that what you are saying is possible -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 22:05:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Wait no longer, Ms. Lascivious Question, you! -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 22:39:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Susan -:- LOL -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 22:42:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ Disculta -:- insensitive I think -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:55:50 (GMT)
__ __ Lesley -:- You just have to be a man -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 21:30:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jerry -:- Oh, stop -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 01:21:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Lesley -:- Oh, stop.....uh uh -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 19:59:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Susan -:- the res people called them 'dad' and 'mom' -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 04:46:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Bazza -:- the res people called them 'dad' and 'mom' -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:14:08 (GMT)
__ __ Joe -:- Maybe, maybe not -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 20:31:59 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- Yeah, that's probably true too -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:57:26 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- Aren't M's Sexual Abuses really about Power? -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:24:09 (GMT)
__ __ Suchabanana -:- perhaps m. compensating,cause he no suchabanana(nt -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 00:46:10 (GMT)

alan -:- premie freshman -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 11:44:49 (GMT)
__ Disculta -:- premie freshman -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 18:38:07 (GMT)
__ Tim G -:- ex-premie freshman -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 20:56:01 (GMT)
__ __ Aussi Ji -:- best path now -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 02:29:00 (GMT)

Bidouc_fr -:- Happy new year to everyone... -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 10:55:55 (GMT)
__ Oliver -:- Re;) Happy new year to everyone... -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 13:59:00 (GMT)

Sir Dave -:- I'm not to be trusted -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 01:23:23 (GMT)
__ suchabandon -:- to crash your computer,click on the toilet link(nt -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 00:37:46 (GMT)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- to crash your computer,click on the toilet link(nt -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 01:25:31 (GMT)
__ Salam -:- You filthy beast -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 02:48:53 (GMT)
__ __ Oliver -:- I'm hungry (OT) -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 03:57:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- Don't know what lunch is -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 04:20:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Oliver -:- RE;- Don't know what lunch is. -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 14:06:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Oliver -:- Time to Break the Fast. -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 22:09:20 (GMT)
__ __ Marianne -:- Roger, copyright alert!!!! -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 03:31:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ Windflower -:- Roger, copyright alert!!!! -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 15:02:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Nah, an eye for an eye works -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 03:37:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Salam -:- That's my boys -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 03:50:28 (GMT)

Disculta -:- Maharaji's sex life -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 19:12:09 (GMT)
__ Marianne -:- Maharaji, Jagdeo - same abusive behavior -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 03:39:16 (GMT)
__ __ Stonor -:- Absolutely -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 04:19:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ Stonor -:- Headline:'Sect leader accused of preying on men' -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 04:32:21 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- The apparent lack of outrage -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 23:59:26 (GMT)
__ __ Disculta -:- The apparent lack of outrage -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 02:07:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ Joe -:- The apparent lack of outrage -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 02:28:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Disculta -:- The apparent lack of outrage -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 00:19:19 (GMT)
__ Susan -:- please read Michael Dettmers -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 20:09:00 (GMT)
__ __ Michael Dettmers -:- please read Michael Dettmers -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 11:46:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ Susan -:- thanks Michael (nt) -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 05:10:52 (GMT)
__ __ alan -:- please read Michael Dettmers -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 11:23:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ Susan -:- Hi Alan -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 05:10:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- paths and pathways -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 21:51:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- paths and pathways Thanks Selene :) -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:05:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- you are welcome -:- Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 00:15:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- You are a true survivor! -:- Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 02:54:07 (GMT)
__ __ Way -:- one more small question for Michael Dettmers -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 21:52:34 (GMT)
__ __ Way -:- best darshan story ever -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 20:58:14 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- Here is what Michael Dettmers said.,.... -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 19:49:32 (GMT)
__ __ bill -:- Here is what Michael Dettmers said.,.... -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 23:21:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Nope, not yet. (nt) -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 00:12:44 (GMT)
__ Way -:- Sir Dave's site... -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 19:34:53 (GMT)

Jerry -:- Kerpal and his dog -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 18:11:22 (GMT)
__ Scott T. -:- The Lord's brother and his dog? -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 05:25:47 (GMT)
__ JTF -:- Kerpal and his dog/Thanks.. -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 13:26:06 (GMT)

Jim -:- So I went to the Satellite Video Event last night -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 17:52:20 (GMT)
__ brian too -:- I think that we were so cool -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 08:43:33 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- A bit more -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 04:11:45 (GMT)
__ __ Susan -:- great post Jim -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 05:43:00 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- Nicols and May's 'Mother and Son' -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 04:26:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ bill -:- Good insights James.-nt -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:07:38 (GMT)
__ Steve Quint -:- So I went to the Satellite Video Event last night -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 01:06:07 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- So I went to the Satellite Video Event last night -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 22:13:50 (GMT)
__ __ bill -:- Thanks for the laugh Jimmie. nt -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 23:12:54 (GMT)
__ __ Monmot -:- Hooking for the Lord -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 22:30:20 (GMT)
__ SB -:- As sad as it gets, well, it can get even worse -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 21:30:02 (GMT)
__ __ Lesley -:- Pounding a nail in your head -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 21:52:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ SB -:- Pounding a nail in your head -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 01:43:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Lesley -:- The slaves are revolting -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 21:05:50 (GMT)
__ Way -:- Did you leave anything in the donations box? -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 19:24:37 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- No but I dropped my card in for the lunch draw -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 04:36:51 (GMT)
__ __ Steve Quint -:- Did you leave anything in the donations box? -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 19:41:16 (GMT)
__ Marianne -:- Words to Arti? -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 18:22:07 (GMT)
__ __ Joy -:- Words to Arti -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 18:51:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- Amazing, can not remember a word of it -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 01:21:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ Disculta -:- Warning, do not read Joy's post! -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 20:28:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Fear not! Cleanse yourself with Larkin's Arti -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 20:46:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Music Critic -:- Is the arti music online? I need it for...... -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 22:56:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Disculta -:- Phew! Thanks Drekko! nt -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 20:54:35 (GMT)
__ __ Selene -:- Words to Arti? -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 18:33:48 (GMT)
__ Steve Quint -:- I Finally Got To Meet The Great Jim -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 18:06:41 (GMT)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- I met Jim Heller, too. What a let down! -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 20:25:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ Steve Quint -:- I met Jim Heller, too. What a let down! -:- Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 01:11:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Tom's imagination -:- 250 lbs yes, though not so tall(nt) -:- Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 03:00:32 (GMT)

Way -:- The Daism Forum -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 16:57:55 (GMT)
__ Bazza -:- Link for the lazy -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 17:48:48 (GMT)
__ __ Way -:- FA -One good thing about how their forum works -:- Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 18:47:15 (GMT)


Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 01:38:04 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Everyone
Subject: See Haharaji do the Chicken Dance!
Message:
My daughter found this cute midi file on Yahooligans and since The Chicken Dance was a big hit here a few years back, I knew it would be just the job for the dancing Lord of the Universe.

Click here to see Maharaji do The Chicken Dance

I think you'll all agree that we now have perfect synchronisity of parody!

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Date: Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 01:46:49 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: Sir Dave
Subject: See Haharaji do the Chicken Dance!
Message:
The tune is 'Old Hiram's Goat'. Of course I found the lyrics. For those that don't know, each line to the main tune is repeated twice.

Steve

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 23:46:43 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: What a classic
Message:
G;Day Sir Dave,
I haven't laughed so much in a long time.
Cheers Aussi Ji.
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 08:26:56 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: I almost spilled my tea on my PC's keyboard!
Message:
Thanks for the laugh ...
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 19:07:12 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Did you hear about the guy who got implants....?
Message:
This is a real story. A man was bet $100K that he wouldn't get breast implants, and keep them for six months. He took his buddy on, and got the tits, but after six months, he didn't want to get rid of them. Why?

Because he was scoring double with the babes, who loved having tits to fondle as well as whatever other equipment he had. Or maybe they loved how in touch he was with his inner feminine. Anyway, it really is a true story!

There's a message in here somewhere regarding Rawat and the tits. I'll leave it to someone else to expore these depths.

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 09:52:11 (GMT)
From: Tim Matheson
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Did OUR LORD have breast enlargement op.?(nt)
Message:
asdf
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 05:53:15 (GMT)
From: SynchronisticTransvestite
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: I'll take this knowledge,if I get him too! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 05:51:15 (GMT)
From: TED Farkel
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: HOLY SMOKES,that'll play big in alabama LOLnt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:31:40 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: TED Farkel
Subject: Check out the She-Male God Revue
Message:
She-Male God and his Blonde Consort Revue
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 18:09:52 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek and Sir Dave
Subject: .....And I am sooooooooo Grateful!!!!!!!
Message:
Hi Roger and Sir Dave,

I feel honored, like you fulfilled a personal request, thank you, both of you.

It's hard to decide which I like better, but I must say those are knock-out tits. Could injure any PAMs get in the way of those...and the syncronicity of the dancing arms and swinging boobs!

Happy New Year Maharaji--hehehehehe...

Btw, Jim, your nt post below is sick, sick, sick::))))

Love to all (except you know who),
Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:51:47 (GMT)
From: Gurulesque
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Boom shakalakalaka Boom shakalakalaka Boom Boom nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:20:43 (GMT)
From: Ticket Shark
Email: connections@knowledge.com
To: TED Farkel
Subject: 500 USD for front row seats. (nt)
Message:
Original screenplay by Sir Dave AKA Forum God
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 02:17:26 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: You are my mother ........ (nt)
Message:
hhhhhhh
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:02:42 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Anyone
Subject: Anyone seen the 'Kids in the Hall's 'Chicken Lady'
Message:
Anyone seen the 'Kids in the Hall's' 'Chicken Lady' skit?
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 23:05:46 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Maharaji's children and the internet
Message:
It's just occurred to me that Maharaji's children are probably reading this forum. All children rebel, and children of rich parents have their own computers.

So, you children of the guy who claims to be God in human form, would you like to contribute to this debate?

John.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 23:15:09 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Here Yee!
Message:
That is some brainwashing to get through though.I second that.It would be great to hear from them.You never hear anything about the boys do you?,Maybe there not as sucked in as the girls perhaps?
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 20:56:57 (GMT)
From: Suzanne
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Little did we know it was that bad.
Message:
Boy, Maharaji isn't only a fraud, he's also an abuser of women for his own lust. What a degenerate. I am so glad to be rid of him.

I mentioned these things to a premie friend and it really made her stop and think. It seemed to kind of jolt her into questioning what she was doing. For the first time ever, we were able to talk about all this openly. I think she has had the same doubts I have had all along. I'm free, and I told her I hope she gets free, too.

Thanks to all of you. Thanks to Michael Dettmers for his candid courage. Thanks to freedom.

Have a great New Year, everyone.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 23:09:22 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Suzanne
Subject: You can say that again!
Message:
Hi Suzanne,I wish one of these unfortunate ladies would put a post on the forum.That would really help the cards topple.Then we could all get premie friends to take note.It is very diffiCULT to break through that conditioning isnt it? Aussi Ji
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 21:42:08 (GMT)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: Suzanne
Subject: Little did we know it was that bad.
Message:
It is extraordinary, isn't it, the way premies DON'T talk about knowledge or maharaji or their experience.

I understand why, though, because all you have to do is have a few honest conversations and then the cards start falling on the table.

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 00:55:26 (GMT)
From: sucha
Email: None
To: Lesley
Subject: wondering if m. received Knowledge of any STDs (nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:32:42 (GMT)
From: Ian Johnson
Email: Ins.Johnson@care4free.net
To: Everyone
Subject: Search
Message:
As a fully paid up X-prem (class of '73) I wish to dron on and on.
As the plastic cup of life is ejected out of the vending machine of existance and the hot coffee of experience poures down the trowsres of time I notice that some of the correspondents to this forum are still loking for some kind of spiritual forefillment. Try www.pancanal.com/eng/photo/camera-java.html.
I find it very relaxing, odd but there it is.
All this xprem stuff put me in mind of the seventies, off to watch Tinker tailor solider spy

Regards

IJ

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:43:13 (GMT)
From: Bazza
Email: None
To: Ian Johnson
Subject: I got a better one for you
Message:
Fort Lauderdale Beach

Check it tomorrow night - there could be a full moon (esp. for m.)

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 23:32:05 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Ian Johnson
Subject: What the fuck is it
Message:
I dont get it.please explain.
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 00:12:15 (GMT)
From: IJ
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: What the fuck is it
Message:
Its one of the locks on the Panamar Canal, you know 'sitting on the dock of the bay'

Regards

IJ

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 02:34:41 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: IJ
Subject: What the fuck is it
Message:
Hi Ij, Sorry I still dont get it You know we aussis are s-l-o-w talkers and all ,we are also a bit s-l-o-w to get some things

Regards Aussi Ji.

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 19:26:49 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: Are you fair dinkum?
Message:
I am embarrassed to call myself an Australian when reading some of your posts.
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.NLOL
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 23:23:34 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Oliver
Subject: I'm fair dinkum and having a ball
Message:
G,Day Oliver,Yes i am Fair dinkum(tongue in cheek)and having a ball .I like to have a joke and sometimes be serious.I hope I am not embarrassing you too much.Just think of bazza mckenzie.
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 12:31:22 (GMT)
From: IJ
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: re What the fuck is it
Message:
Hi Aussie Ji
In the never ending search for spiritual fullment, almost as intense as the search for a free ISP without constant traffic jams and a 386Sx server, the image of large freight ships, water and rain forest have a calming effect on me and bring on a feeling on deepish inner peace. Strange but true
Just thought it might be of use to others.

Regards

IJ

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 23:17:24 (GMT)
From: AUSSI jI
Email: None
To: IJ
Subject: re What the fuck is it
Message:
Ok I get it at last Aussi Ji.
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 20:34:59 (GMT)
From: Gen. Manuel Suchabanana
Email: None
To: Ian Johnson
Subject: da boat,I see da boat! Now I have Serenity,too (nt
Message:
www.pancanal.com/eng/photo/camera-java.html
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:37:34 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Ian Johnson
Subject: Hey, this definitely deserves a permanent link!
Message:
Thanks for the link, Ian. I'd like to see Maharaji's face when he sees this for the first time. Good work!

By the way, if you want a great newer movie, try 'Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon'. Saw it last night. Just a fantasy but so well done. Much like the site you've turned us on to, just different.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 20:27:32 (GMT)
From: Mickey de Panamá
Email: None
To: Jim y Ian
Subject: Las Esclusas de Miraflores
Message:
Hey, I live about two miles down the Canal from Miraflores, in Paraíso, near the Pedro Miquel locks. I wonder if I can do a jondon and put a 'Maharaji is a Fraud' sign where the camera will see it? There is a lot of security there, so it might be a little more difficult than showing up on morning news shows in los Estados Unidos.

Mickey '¡El Canal es Nuestros!' Pharisee

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:28:57 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: EV's Newsletter Editorial : '2000 Retrospective'
Message:
2000 Retrospective

Europe and the Pacific tell us what's been happening in their regions.

Occasionally the work of presenting Knowledge goes through a period of change, and 2000 was such a year. While Maharaji himself continued to accept invitations to speak around the world at his usual punishing rate, attending over ninety events, behind the scenes ways of working were being radically overhauled to meet the challenge of a new millennium. This week and next we are taking a whirlwind tour of the world's regions, to see how they reported on their activities during the millennial year. This week is the turn of Europe and the Pacific.

EUROPE

One of the most significant activities in Europe took place towards the end of the year, in the form of the first weekend propagation training, held in Rome at the end of October for 139 participants. During 2001 it is hoped that everyone in the region who wants it will have the opportunity to do the same training in their own country, creating a new dynamic in introducing others to the possibility of Knowledge.

While no Knowledge sessions happened in Europe during the year 2000, except for one small one in London in December, there are currently just over 1,600 aspirants in the region, and it is hoped that Auto Knowledge Sessions will begin early in the new year to enable many of them to receive Knowledge.

Just over 8,000 people from Europe had the opportunity to attend an event with Maharaji in Harrogate, Paris, Rome and Barcelona, at the end of September and beginning of October, with about 60% of attendees using the Smart Card to access the venues.

In France, October was designated 'Project 2000' month with 2000 introductory videos, 2000 introductory audios, 2000 brochures distributed, and introductory initiatives attended by 176 guests.

2000 was a quantum year for the development of 'tools' to help people learn about Knowledge, with a growth in websites, libraries, brochures, and information phone lines, some of which are now beginning to 'go live'. There has been a gradual transition towards the 'home viewing' of satellite events, with 866 homes now equipped to receive them, while they take place in a public hall in 104 cities across the region. 2000 also saw the first instructor visit to Moscow for four years, when Heike Schmeling held a participation meeting and a practice session for people with Knowledge and a 'preparing for Knowledge' meeting for 6 aspirants.

THE PACIFIC

In this region we have a wonderful diversity of cultures, religions, beliefs and lifestyles, and in each country a custom-made approach is required that takes into account the different languages, cultures, governmental regulations, and so on.

2000 has been a very special year because we were fortunate to have a number of events with Maharaji. In April there was an impromptu outdoor gathering at Amaroo, which 1,300 people attended at only two days' notice. Maharaji also a spoke at events in New Zealand (900 attendees), Malaysia (2,000 people, with 235 receiving Knowledge) and Japan (a beautifully intimate event for 500, with a Knowledge session for 28 people).

For us, 2000 was a 'foundation year', with three key goals - to increase the quality of events; to develop and strengthen the teams; and to support 'emerging' countries, and we can report good progress was made in all these areas. The third of these - supporting emerging countries - in particular saw a raw enthusiasm and excitement emerge as people started to work together addressing common issues and challenges and providing a network of support. 28 people, many representing Indonesia, Thailand and the Philippines, attended a meeting after the Kuala Lumpur event and agreed to bring all emerging Asian countries under one 'Emerging Countries Team'.

Another step forward came from a meeting of the 'global Chinese team' held in New Delhi on 9th November. Representatives from the USA, Singapore, Hong Kong,and Taiwan worked through an agenda covering translation for satellite broadcasts, production of materials, researching ways of presenting Knowledge to Chinese-speaking populations, and resources management.

Looking forward

There is a bubbling enthusiasm in Philippines where regular aspirant and introductory events are taking place. The instructor Pow Ming Wu tells us that for many years, propagation in the Philippines took place mainly within a family living in a compound in the middle of a rice field in an island south of Manila. This year in Kuala Lumpur, two aspirants received Knowledge and six of a total of sixteen local people with Knowledge saw Maharaji for the first time. In the last few months, a tremendous effort has been made to increase the availability of materials. Satellite broadcast videos are being shown regularly in two locations where video libraries are being rapidly expanded to cope with the increasing demand. In 2001, hopefully propagation will take a leap and teams will form to take care of the development. Maharaji has expressed an interest to come to the Philippines and an invitation is being prepared.

In Indonesia there are two Indonesian nationals with Knowledge and five 'regular' aspirants. A video circuit has been established and travels through Batam, Sumatra, Java and Bali. In Thailand, regular video events are happening in Bangkok, Phuket and Chang Mai in the north.

In Australia, many aspirants have been waiting for Knowledge for two years or more. Mail Order and courier libraries are well-established and plans for Auto Knowledge Sessions in major centers is now under way. A public event is being proposed for 2001. Most countries are now investigating possible 'un-encrypted' broadcast viewing options, and joint arrangements for direct access to satellite broadcasts are now in place between Australia and New Zealand.

Lastly, like many of you, we are eagerly waiting to hear if an Amaroo event will be confirmed for April 2001!

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 23:44:10 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Seriously - What is 'Auto Knowledge'??? (nt)
Message:
zzzzzzzzzz
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 19:29:26 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: crayggie@hotmail.com
To: JHB
Subject: Absolute power + immortality?
Message:
Auto-K is M revealing K on video. It could be M's Master-stroke: it allows him to run a cult from his own back room or yacht, reduces his 'workload' whilst still keeping absolute control of the propagation activities, ie. only he can reveal K, albeit from long distance. Together with satellite feeds which in turn become mail-order vids, he will, in time, have no need for any new product. He could effectively retire and leave his self-sustaining money machine to run itself. (There would not even be any need for a new Master after his demise since one video is no better or worse than any other and a premie can only watch so many videos in one lifetime.)
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 22:58:43 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: Nigel and Everyone
Subject: Auto Knowledge
Message:
I thought it cute at the time, but not now. M said earlier this year that the auto-knowledge DVD is very secure. If a person tries to enter the wrong password three times it will wipe out their hard drive.

This is what m's godlike justice system has come to. Pretty pathetic.

Steve

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Date: Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 00:06:26 (GMT)
From: Bazza
Email: None
To: Steve Quint
Subject: Auto Knowledge
Message:
That's not all. If you try to crack the DVD on your computer, it sends a secret data packet to EV Security HQ and your Smart Card database file is flagged. Next time you try to enter an event with your Card a high voltage Taser will trigger and paralyse you until the goon squad arrives.

Of course, I'm joking. To some extent.....

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:34:35 (GMT)
From: Bazza
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Seriously - What is 'Auto Knowledge'???
Message:
It is 'That Knowledge which cannot be obtained from a book' revealed via a DVD!
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 23:51:10 (GMT)
From: Elan Vital
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Seriously - What is 'Auto Knowledge'??? (nt)
Message:
Thank you for your question.

'Auto Knowledge' is a new, hightly synchronized and well-facilitated, swan-encrusted 2-door sedan, now available through Visions for only $22,999. Check it out at Visions, or email us at elanvital@wearenotacult/wereallyaren't.org

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 15:13:46 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Elan Vital
Subject: Tell to the London cab-drivers! ...
Message:
... who have to take 'The Knowledge' before they're licensed to drive a taxi.

(for CNN article titled 'London cabbies get 'The Knowledge' before they go on the road', click here)

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va-vroom ...

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:49:36 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I want Auto Knowledge!!!
Message:
EV said:-

While no Knowledge sessions happened in Europe during the year 2000, except for one small one in London in December, there are currently just over 1,600 aspirants in the region, and it is hoped that Auto Knowledge Sessions will begin early in the new year to enable many of them to receive Knowledge.

......

In Australia, many aspirants have been waiting for knowledge for two years or more. Mail Order and courier libraries are well-established and plans for Auto Knowledge Sessions in major centers is now under way.

I have a Chrysler Jeep and live in the Latvian Countryside. Improving my knowledge of autos would definitely help my independence.

John.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 20:49:30 (GMT)
From: IJ
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: I want Auto Knowledge!!!
Message:
Haynes beat M to auto knowlage in the 1960's.I myself have the knowlage on the Rover 3500 & Rover SD1. Especially interesting is the knowlage of thye Kent seris desil engine fitted to Mk3 Ford transit (1987-1993)
They don't do anything on the Merceedes 310 Bremen, any body be any help?

Regards

IJ

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 18:18:24 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Vacancies at Elan Vital
Message:
The attached is from a genuine letter from Elan Vital, UK. It's dated 9th October 2000, and it's inviting applications for various vacant positions in Elan Vital UK. Anyone interested in applying?

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Introductory and Follow up Manager:-

To ensure that ALL people in the UK have the opportunity to be introduced to M & K. (didn't this forum start those abbreviations???)

Preparing for Knowledge Manager:-

To develop the aspirant team as a resource ensuring anyone in the preparation process is fully informed (!) and supported.

Post Knowledge Care Manager:-

To ensure those who have attended a KS have the resources of practice sessions, access to instructors, access to appropriate follow-up materials and the opportunity to participate.

Participation Manager:-

To synchronise, facilitate and bring the area of Participation in the UK to higher standards.

Materials Manager:-

To ensure the availability of appropriate materials to support the Knowledge process.

IT Manager:-

To initiate any IT projects that become necessary and have an overall picture of all IT projects relating to EV, and knowledge of their current status.
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It seems to me that at that time just about every position in EV UK was vacant. Has everyone jumped ship?

John

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:41:16 (GMT)
From: Oliver.
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Post Knowledge Care Manager.......LOL!......nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 13:01:19 (GMT)
From: JTF
Email: None
To: Oliver.
Subject: Post Knowledge Care Manager...Why it's needed
Message:
This position requires someone who can explain to the newly tricked cult members-why they are not having the experience as promised and how great this experience is even though no one can talk about it.
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 18:24:47 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Independent Organizations?
Message:
I note that Elan Vital UK has its own website, but when it comes to FAQs, and responding to 'criticisms on the internet', they simply copy what Elan Vital US has written, such as it is. It's quite clear that the organizations do not operate independently, but are really controlled from the USA, probably under the direct supervision of Himself, and that's why everything they produce reads and sounds so odd. Like the following:

Participation Manager:-

To synchronise, facilitate and bring the area of Participation in the UK to higher standards.

What on earth does that gibberish mean?

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 18:50:30 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: What the gibberish means
Message:
It quite clearly means:-

'To ensure the maximum amount of money is extracted from the remaining premies before they find the ex-premie.org website.'

Obvious really:-)

But WHY so many vacancies????

John.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 20:16:56 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Vacancies
Message:
There are so many vacancies because no one wants to be on the hook when the anticipated lawsuits fly.

They're resigning from responsible positions in droves down in Malibu too.

Nice to see you, John. What's the weather like in Latvia these days? Rafael sends his regards as well.

Love, Marianne

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 22:58:46 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Weather Report (ot)
Message:
The snow here was very late, but thankfully came on the night of the 23rd, just in time for Christmas. On Christmas Eve I went for a walk and had the feeling I was walking inside a Christmas card. Today, I watched the news from England, where they have also had heavy snow - the snow and the temperature (-5) were the first items on the news. Here in Latvia (-10) it didn't get further than the weather report. I guess the lack of winter tyres or decent insulation in England makes it big news:-)

So when are you visiting Latvia?

John.

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:07:41 (GMT)
From: Bazza
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Latvia (ot)
Message:
Is Latvia really a place? I thought it was just a sort of Forum in-joke?

Bazza - me heads still buzzing from a live music shoot.

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:49:26 (GMT)
From: Bazza
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Found it (Latvia) OT
Message:
Looks nice! But Cold.

Latvian WebCam

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 22:36:18 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Bazza
Subject: Found it (Latvia) OT
Message:
No - it's not cold today - only minus 5.

Thanks for the Webcam - Riga's nice but the countryside is better:-)

The meetings we (exes) had in the Latvian club in London were very real, very enjoyable, and gave birth to the tradition of calling some exes meetings as Latvian meetings. It's amusing for me as a Latvia, but it's also appropriate as M has never been to Latvia, and I am confident never will, and there has to my knowledge never been any propagation attempt here.

John living in Maharaji free Latvia

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Date: Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 00:30:44 (GMT)
From: Bazza
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: The reason I thought it was a joke/OT
Message:
Is that 'EL LATVIAN' or 'LE LATVIAN' is an anagram for ELAN VITAL.

Duh! Geography was only one of many O-levels I never got at school.

I bet m's never heard of Latvia either, or cares.

Hopefully I'll make it to one of your ethnic knees-ups in London. Do they make good beer in Latvia, along the lines of Bavarian perhaps?

That camera in Riga is supposedly the only one on the web. I take it Riga is the capital city? What you can see does like nice, I was watching it during the daylight hours today.

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Date: Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 02:33:58 (GMT)
From: Bazza
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Hang on John, we may be wrong/OT
Message:
I bet m's never heard of Latvia either, or cares.

Check out the new post on Anything Goes.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 18:22:40 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Vacancies at Elan Vital
Message:
'To ensure that ALL people in the UK have the opportunity to be introduced to M & K.'

That's some job. It would be easier to change water into wine or feed the five thousand.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 18:26:34 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Vacancies at Elan Vital
Message:
'To ensure that ALL people in the UK have the opportunity to be introduced to M & K.'

M&K: are they referring to 'Mary and Kevin?'

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 18:07:32 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Aren't M's Sexual Abuses really about Power?
Message:
I think one of the key points Michael mentioned about Maharaji's sexual abuses, was that Maharaji began having sex with his women followers about the time he and Marolyn were having marriage problems. I don't know what those problems were, but from Maharaji's perspective, they most likely were perceived by him as Marolyn standing up to him, disagreeing with him, arguing or fighting with him, and let's face it, Maharaji was not used to that. He was used to people responding positively to his every whim and never crossing him, and so Marolyn's behavior was probably very confronting.

Plus, Michael said Maharaji was really freaked out about his marriage problems, because Mata Ji would have been able to say 'I told you so' and it would have looked really bad in India, and maybe in the West as well, if he broke up with Marolyn, or she with him.

And perhaps Marolyn was withholing sex, or maybe there was just too much friction between the two of them for that to happen.

Both those things would tend to lead to some self-doubt, something Maharaji probably had no idea how to deal with.

So, having sex with his followers, especially serially, with no ties or feelings of obligations, on his part whatsoever, might have been partly a response to that. Not only did he get to have sex with women, those women also probably continued to worship and adore him, before, during and after the sex. It must have made him feel quite powerful, a real man, a real Perfect Master.

Whatever it was, since he summarily dumped these women after having sex with them without the slightest concern about their well-being, it was clear he didn't really see them as human beings, just objects for him to get his, extremely bizarre, needs taken care of.

It also appears that perhaps his extramarital affairs, as well as his ongoing mistress, Monica Lewis, were ways of keeping the marriage together for external appearances. For example, I have been told by people in a position to know and whom I trust, that Maharaji's sexual affair with Monica Lewis actually began as a menage a tois (sp?) with Marolyn. At least this is believed by people who were around Maharaji.

I have a suggestion. Since I think every premie, and especially ever aspirant or potential aspirant, should know about this, and because I think it would have a profound impact on many, I was wondering if someone would be willing to write up a short summary of the disclosures about Maharaji's sexual abuses of his followers. We could put it on the net and anyone could print it off, and hand it out at satellite or video events in their area, especially during 'preparing for knowledge' sort of events.

We might have a separate sheet about Maharaji killing that cyclist in India and fleeing the scene, maybe one about Maharaji allowing Jagdeo to continue to prey on children, maybe one about Maharaji's drinking problem and drug habits as well. All the sheets ought to have this website listed as well.

In the least, it might require Maharaji to say something about it, or Elan Vital to do so. I would LOVE to see that, considering how inept they are at covering over for Maharaji.

What do think?

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 00:55:40 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Blowing the whistle
Message:
I had the same idea - a separate website with a succinct article about this and each of the other main abuses, and links to this one. And something easy to download and print up and hand to people in appropriate situations.

And maybe small ads saying 'Are you or were you a premie? Check out www.maharajithe scumbag.com'

Even though this stuff is most obviously good for current premies, it is probably the most valuable for the thousands and thousands of exes who never really had completion with Maharraji. They drifted away, but perhaps are still subconsciously blaming themselves for not succeeding as premies, or still hold a romantic view of MJ. I mean, there were thousands and thousands of us. There are very few current premies and relatively few who come here. Which leaves a lot of people in the no-zone who could really benefit from some facts which might validate what they felt in their gut, but thought they were crazy. That's what this is for me. A validation of my intuition that led me to leave when none of this was known.

Love Disculta

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 00:40:36 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Perhaps Marolyn was 'withholing sex'? (nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 23:23:42 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Aren't M's Sexual Abuses really about Power? YES!
Message:
Hi Joe, and everybody,

I liked what all of you said in your posts. I've had extensive training and experience working with rape victims and adult incest survivors. I've learned very much about the dynamics of a sexual offense.

Rape, incest, sexual abuse are all issues of power and control by the perpetrator. A father has ultimate power over his daughter or son; a priest has ultimate power (for true believers) over his parishioners, a rapist has total control over his victim because of the threat of the most invasive, life-altering experience, which is sexual assault. I must add here that state statutes vary about what constitutes a ''sexual assault,'' however, my personal definition of the same is that the victim is experiencing a life threatening attack: the most invasive possible, and the most life damaging when it occurs.

As far a Maharaji is concerned, I consider him at the very least, some kind of a sexual offender, depending upon the country, province, state he had these ''liasons.' A charlatan, fraud, a con-man who has young women, anyone, including males looking at him from the perspective of a devotee, parent, friend, and lover leads me to the conclusion that anyone who engaged with sexual encounters with him was raped. It appeared to be consensual, and of course was superficially, but when you boil it all down, Maharaji's tremendous charissma, power and control fully supercedes any young, brainwashed woman or man's ability to make a concensual choice. It's got to be rape because rape is always about power and control. Rape is not sex in any way, shape or form. If gopies are sexual slaves, then what are female premies? Or male?

At the rate revelations are coming out here about Maharaji, I would not doubt he at least experimented in same sex sex.

There may have been a woman who was a premie who completely knew what was going on and had consensual (shit I can't spell tonight) sex with Maharaji. But I doubt there were many premies. I bet he raped quite a few. The bastard.

I sounds and feels like the Jim Jones thing to me lately. All the information about hit and runs, absolutely immoral behavior, abuse of power, and complicity in crimes. The way Maharaji just felt free to pick and choose among his young ashram premies, to play with, to humiliate, to throw away as if they were trash. What a fucking bastard.

For shame Maharaji, Goooooooomraji,
Unhappy New Year to Maharaji!!!

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 03:18:34 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Cynthia -- with all due respect .................
Message:
I'm sorry but I think you're making the mistake of using just one crayon when you've got several to choose from. Comments like 'Rape is not sex in any way, shape or form' are really quite indefensible in broad daylight. As in most things, there's a spectrum of reasons and explanations that might apply. Rape can be nothing but a power play; alternatively, it can simply be a callous act of stolen sex, sex as the goal itself, the 'bottom line' as Jerry was talking about. My guess is that Maharaji USED his corrupt power over premies to seduce them but not to prove anything so much as to have an unconscionable 'good time'.
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Date: Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 19:18:44 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim-- with all due respect back.................
Message:
Hi Jim,

I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner. I've been working at a new job which has taken a lot of my energy.

Anyway, thanks for showing me where I have black and white thinking...I understand what you are saying here. There is a broad spectrum of sex offenses, so to call what M did to premie women rape may be extreme.

Then I wonder: is it too extreme to call it rape? As you pointed out Jim, the situation would vary, from woman to woman, yet the circumstances, with Maharaji's goal to control and have power over people, is some type of sexual offense. I'm sure it would vary criminally. I knew so many young women like myself would would have felt so lucky to be with him and the lila of it all would have precluded any concerns about Marolyn nor the kids.

It's very weird, to try to put myself back when all I wanted was to obey his agya, in the ashram, without question or doubt. I find it hard to believe I was ever in that situation sometimes.

Be well, Jim
Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 22:49:28 (GMT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Of course they're about Power , I agree
Message:
1 He's God : that's powerful.

2 He's rich : that's powerful.

3 He likes drink & drugs : that's weak.

4 He puts loyalty to his wife below his desire to fuck pretty girls : that's weak.

5 He did turn down his CEO's offer to be his pimp : that's careful.

Add those together , I reckon you've got a guy who's going to take the scam to the wire , come what may.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:51:08 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Maybe, maybe not
Message:
That's a good psychoanalysis of why M was/is fooling around, but I find it suspect, Joe. One, we don't know if M had already been messing around before he shared his concerns with Michael. For all we know, he was, and that's what caused the friction in his and Marolyn's marriage. Getting Michael's cooperation in getting him women might have just been the latest ploy in a long ongoing scheme for extramarital affairs that had been occuring long before Michael entered the picture. Who knows?

I think Maharaji probably realized his power to 'conquer' whatever women devotees he wanted since he reached puberty, and was probably getting laid regularly long before his marriage to Marolyn. I think extramarital affairs were something that had been going on since early in his marriage, and was something that Marolyn just learned to live with. That's just the kind of guy I think Maharaji is. I doubt he's ever been faithful to one woman.

In direct response to your question, I don't think Maharaji used women to make himself feel more powerful. I think he just used his power to get more women. That would be the evolutionary psychology way of looking at it. If getting laid is the bottom line, than you use what means you have at your disposal to achieve that end. You have to admit, Maharaji has got a means to end all means. 'Hey, baby, I bet you're wondering what it would be like to sleep with a man who's got all 64 powers. Well, I could show you if you'd really like to know.' I'll bet Marolyn was curious, and found out soon enough that he didn't have so many powers after all. But by then, M probably couldn't care.

He'd just find some other willing gopies who wanted to partake of his powers. And that's another thing. It's a two way street. I don't think these woman were just servicing the Lord. I think they thought they were probably the most desirable women in the universe if Maharaji had a hankering for them, and probably felt a surge of power themselves for having been selected. Whatever, the whole things perverted on both sides, the gopies' and Maharaji's

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:44:38 (GMT)
From: Fuktbihymns
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Are ya jellus we got laid by the lord!!!
Message:
It's the ultimeat hi!?
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 05:03:43 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: insensitive I think
Message:
He'd just find some other willing gopies who wanted to partake of his powers. And that's another thing. It's a two way street. I don't think these woman were just servicing the Lord. I think they thought they were probably the most desirable women in the universe if Maharaji had a hankering for them, and probably felt a surge of power themselves for having been selected. Whatever, the whole things perverted on both sides, the gopies' and Maharaji's

I completely disagree. This is NOT a two way street. It can't be unless the woman is a non premie, a very jaded on her way out premie, or even an ex premie.

If the woman bought the shit we were all fed about who He was than it just isn't at all as you describe it. Sure, they could go on some spiritual ego trip they wer chosen, but the only reason anyone would consent to this deal is because they BELIEVED in 'Him'.

If a male ashram premie is told it is the Lord's agya that he meet Maharaji at the Four Seaon's in the Presidential Suite at 11:00 pm, and isn't told why...he would go? At least all the ashram premies I knew would. I think too, even the males, the most heterosexual of them, that were in the Ashram, would have slept with Rawat if he asked them to. And even if they didn't, there would have been confusion, deep guilt, about the lack of 'trust' that they had if they refused, or freaked.

I do not think most premies, men or women, wanted to have sex with the Guru, but I think at least the ashram premies, at the heydey of the cult, would have done anything he asked. I think most would have commited suicide if he had asked. Many might have murdered if he asked. People regularly turned over trust funds and everything they owned to him. They really thought he was God. I do not think they had the capacity to say no to him, the women who were approached, unless they were already on their way out and this was the last drip.

Please give this some thought, because some of the women victimzied this way could be reading this, and I am sure that they need to hear that it was not their fault, and that yes, it was a horrible thing that he did to them. I for one think they deserve compassion, and no blame.

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 14:28:42 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: I suppose you're right
Message:
Susan,

I admit it. I don't feel any great compassion for the women who agreed to bed down with M. And maybe therein I err, and can't make as true an assessment of the matter as somebody with more compassion, such as yourself, can. I just think there's a limit to everything, to how much we'll take. It's not as if we didn't have doubts to begin with. You would think something like this would be the straw that broke the camel's back and set these women free. Somehow, I can't help but think they'd snap out of it when they picked up which way the wind was blowing. If you're right, apparently they didn't and thought they were being tested and just did as they were commanded. But, personally, I don't see them as that helpless.

My belief is that no matter how much we give ourselves to somebody, there's still a part of us that is sovereign territory that people would be wise to tread lightly on. It's that sense of sovereinty that ultimately sets us free from Maharaji. I hope it set these women free after their trysts with him. In a pathetic sort of way, it might have been their pathway to freedom if they were wise enough to see just how deluded they had become about the 'master'. In any event, you're right. Compassion is the better way, especially if these women are feeling dirty about themselves in the aftermath. It doesn't help to judge anyone harshly, and it's not my intent to belittle anybody.

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 18:10:16 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Thanks and I think you have a point with aftermath
Message:
it could be the final drip, or perhaps more like tidal wave, that snapped a person out of it.

I know when I was putting myself in the shoes of these women thinking about it I thought, nah, I would have just run like hell. But we just can't really look back and completely remember what it was like to believe in the guru crap. You have a great point too, there was never a time I didn't have doubts. But we were all taught those doubts were mind. And we all had situations in which the doubts became a 'test'. We all justified the obvious greed and materialism of Rawat, I know I heard about what Mishler was saying and dealt with that with the standard monmot bitter stuff. Someone who left recently who posts here said the best thing she realized the doubts she had all these years were 'her true self speaking'.

I would bet that some of the chosen women did leave the cult after a night of sex with the man they had once lined up to kiss his feet. But I think most people proccess things like this too slowly to let the doubts win that fast. I know that I have a few times been paralyzed when it dawns on me I am in a bad situation of some sort, and later wish I had listened to my gut and ran.

It actually might be Jagdeo that makes me empathize with these women. They were of age, at least I hope they were, but I do not think that because of the guru devotee relationship they had a fair chance to see this for what it was. Jagdeo, started all of his crap with kids by making them feel special, and chosen, more spiritual, better devotees, than those he didn't chose. This was incredibly seductive. Kids needing attention and love, whose premie parents did not sadly put the kids as #1 priority. I was a little different, I was older, 15, and I think more in a position to say no, so that is why I escaped with so little happening to me. With me, we were Bhole Shriing and satsanging and completely getting into the guru trip when he started grabbing us. In fact the grabbing really became like the 'Ki Jai' then he would put his hand where he wanted. With other kids, and I cannot be too specific here, it was worse, but basically, they were told to go along with worsening levels of abuse by being told it was 'their mind' that was preventing them from going on to the next level of abuse.

So I know that the devotee etho can be used terribly to sexually abuse a person. And it would be interesting if Michael knows if Rawat used things like this in having sex with these women. But even if he didn't, they were pretty condidtioned to make these excuses for him without prompting. Rawat surely saw himself as 'Krishna and the milkmaids' or some such crap.

Anyway, I think it would be easy to look at this like some famous rock star having sex with a groupie. But I do not think that was very likely the dynamic of what happened at all.

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 21:08:01 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Doesn't it depend on the woman and all that?
Message:
Frankly, I can imagine some circumstances that would leave me with much less sympathy for the woman than others. What about her concerns for Marolyn or the kids for example? What was the woman herself hoping to gain? Maybe she knew about Monica Lewis and wanted, like her, to get set up as a kept woman or something? All of these issues are relevant and I'd wnat to know something more regarding them before donating any money the shelter for Maharaji's former lovers.

And none of this, by the way, lets him off the hook in the slightest.

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 22:05:38 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I agree that what you are saying is possible
Message:
And I too am hoping Michael can give us more insight into this.

What makes me lean toward donating to the home for former lover's ( and frankly I would think his former toys would be more apt ) is that I do not think a woman who could think as clearly as you and Jerry are suggesting would WANT to boff the Lard. If she can be concerned about Marolyn, then she must be able to see herself as more aware of what is right for Marolyn and the kids than her Lord. And if she sees herself being a more noble person than the Lard, then well, why on Earth with would she want to sleep with such a short fat slimy little meglomaniac? The only way this guy is going to get attractive women is by playing the two cards he has, the God card and the money card. I suppose someone could love him for who he truly is deep down, but frankly he doesn't admit to being an ordinary flawed human so that is out.

I REALLY doubt there is a whole lot of Monica Lewis envy out there among people who don't think the is the MASTER. Why would you want to be the kept woman of this little guy? Only if you thought he was the Lord. Or, if I guess you felt it was the best deal you could get....but I do not think Rawat was going after women who were without the 'assets' to be with men who had more to offer them. Right?

Just think about it a little.

The only way someone would sleep with him is the God trip or for money. And Michael offered to get him someone who would do it for money, and Rawat turned him down. I think because having a woman think she is sleeping with God is likely a bit of a turn on and a good way to get what you want.

Jim, what would have happened, at the height of your devotion, if the Lord had wanted to have sex with you? Would you have done it? Considered it? Snapped out of cultdom immediately?

I am waiting for your answer!

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 22:39:27 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Wait no longer, Ms. Lascivious Question, you!
Message:
Jim, what would have happened, at the height of your devotion, if the Lord had wanted to have sex with you? Would you have done it? Considered it? Snapped out of cultdom immediately?

I am waiting for your answer!

(When Laurie sees this she'll think I lied about going out to the jail, but Laurie, hon', I siad I had to stop home to get my cell, didn't I? And what are you doing reading the forum now anyway?)

Susan,

I honestly think that I would have snapped out of the cult right there and then. Mind you, I'm only guessing. Fortunately, that's all I can do with that question. And all I'll ever have to.

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 22:42:24 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: LOL
Message:
I think you would have too....but I don't think everyone would have.

I would have started crying. Hopefully, that would have got me out of it.
I don't think I would have snapped that fast, but I might have flipped out to the extent he no longer found it desirable to sleep with me.

I am glad too, that I'll never have to know.

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:55:50 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: insensitive I think
Message:
Hear hear!
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 21:30:53 (GMT)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: You just have to be a man
Message:
To make those comments about the gopis.

The relationship between premie and master is not a sexual, procreational mating one, it is a father and child relationship.

Think of it like a nubile blond thirteen year old and her father.

Now you can get really angry with the fat fuck.

and while I am on the subject of the Master's sex life, my guess is that it is not good healthy sex, but more like a play on s & m. the master/slave relationship is a close mirror of the father/child relationship where the father is authoritarian and tyrannical.

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 01:21:16 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Lesley
Subject: Oh, stop
Message:
These woman were/are going to bed with Maharaji. I hardly think they looked upon him as a father figure that being the case. If they did, don't you think they'd be just a tad bit disgusted with the notion of going to bed with 'daddy' and decline the offer? I do. But thanks for the correct spelling of 'gopis'.
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 19:59:19 (GMT)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Oh, stop.....uh uh
Message:
Jerry, perverted is right, but I think you have to lay the blame for the perversion where it belongs.

We all paid a high yet subtle price for Maharaji's 'testosterone ride'. The silly fat fuck was stealing all the women, and you could say to them hey how come you're that dumb, or you could acknowledge that each one of us who believed in him contributed to the situation.

In the interests of enjoying my day, I won't go down this road, but try imagining some of the attitudes male pams would have to the poor girl. yech yech yech, deep breath.

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 04:46:03 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: the res people called them 'dad' and 'mom'
Message:
at least the ones I knew did in the late '70s.

It will be interesting to hear more from Michael on the subject. More interesting still if one of the 'chosen' women ever comes forward with more.

You are my mother, you are my father, you are my brother and you are my friend'....if someone was singing those words every night, and meaning them think of the mental devastation that would ensue after a night of being a sex toy of your father, mother, brother and friend.

But I would bet that few women who would agree to sleep with Rawat would arrive for the engagement thinking they were there to have a fling or a good time. If they were that deprogrammed they would say 'no' and sleep with someone more attractive ( like say his chaeffer?). Even though I just made a joke I do not think this was at all a laughing matter when one thinks of the feelings of the women called for this service. They almost certainly saw this as a spiritual thing, not a sexual thing.

What would I have thought if I were told Rawat wanted to meet me in his hotel in 1978? I would have thought it was proof of His Love for me, and that he had read my heart and my desire to be closer to him. If I had realized he wanted me there to have sex with him, I would have freaked. And I would have had sex with him anyway. Why? I would have seen it as a test, I would have seen my doubts as my mind, I would have seen his wanting to have sex as a desire to break my concepts, or maybe I would have seen it as an expression of His love for me. And if afterward, he pretended it never happened? I would have flipped out. I am certain that it would have been devastationg beyond belief. And what would my premie programming have told me? Lila, a test, I am in my mind. Who am I to expect more, to not be grateful to have just one night with my Lord. Those would have been the guilt trips I laid on myself. And sadly, I think, if other premies knew what happened, that is the 'satsang' they would give the victim too. That there was something wrong with her for not trusting 'Him' and that she is ungrateful that he planted His Holy Seed in her.

I can easily see how people might trivialize what these women went through, and just see it like picking up a guy at a bar. But it is nothing like that, it is abuse of the highest order. As devoted premies they had no ability to decline his offer, to decline it would be tantamount to saying you don't believe in him.

The more I think about this the worse I see it.

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 07:14:08 (GMT)
From: Bazza
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: the res people called them 'dad' and 'mom'
Message:
Susan, I know a lot of premies who still call maharaji 'dad' and marolyn 'mom'. Almost without exception they are highly-placed security personel, which I find interesting. And disturbing.
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 20:31:59 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Maybe, maybe not
Message:
I think if Maharaji had been fucking around prior to the marriage difficulties with Marolyn and prior to when he asked Michael to set him up with women, Michael and others on the staff would have known about it. Plus, if he had such good luck getting women and was used to it, he wouldn't have needed to have Michael do the procurement. Maybe he was, but I think we will never know.

I just thought it was interesting that when he was having marriage difficulties he then decided to turn to other women, and even have Michael get them for him.

I have always thought that Maharaji has done things in order to reinforce his image of himself. Like giving darshan and doing programs so that he can have people worship him and that makes him feel powerful again. Involvement with women who 'adore' him, might do much the same thing at a time when he was freaked that he was unable to keep his marriage together.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:57:26 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Yeah, that's probably true too
Message:
Being that these affairs were clandestine and Maharaji was already the Lord of the Universe to everyone he sees on a daily a basis, it's quite likely that he just lucked getting fucked a lot. Maybe it helps him sleep. People try all sorts of things ....
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:24:09 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Aren't M's Sexual Abuses really about Power?
Message:
It's a great idea. Ultimately, we could have our own summary report or article to give to people.

The other night, after we saw Steve at the Satellite Live Broadcast of a Pre-Recorded Video Event, we stayed with some musician friends. Turns out one of their roommates' mothers had just gone to India to see Sai Baba. Indeed, Amir himself had a picture of Sai Baba in his room. I guess his family had gotten into the cult a bit recently and he was dabbling a bit too.

Amir knew absolutely nothing about the controversy surrounding SB (not OUR SB, Sai Baba). And he was really quite open to learn what's what in that regard. He WANTED to hear.

So how convenient that I was able to find the Daily Telegraph article about the sexual abuse allegations for him to look over on his computer. Then there were the stills from the video that catches Baba Ji's sleight of hand in 'materializing' a gold necklace. But that article is powerful. It's succint, well-written and comprehensive. Something like that re Maharaji would be excellent.

And no one's better able to write it than you, Joe. Mind you, if you're not into it there are several others here I can think of who could do an excellent job too. Even some of the women could probably do an okay job at least. :) Of course, one possible approach, with obvious benefits but perhaps soem drawbacks as well, would be to have Mike himself author or co-author such an article. I'd volunteer but I'm going to be too busy chasing fresh powder. (Now that's a REAL joke.)

Of course

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 00:46:10 (GMT)
From: Suchabanana
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: perhaps m. compensating,cause he no suchabanana(nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 11:44:49 (GMT)
From: alan
Email: smithutodd@cwctv.net
To: Everyone
Subject: premie freshman
Message:
i first became involved with maharaj ji in the early seventies like i guess many of us. Now having left many years ago i have started again a spiritual quest for what i would have called the truth, many years ago. But today the best that would ask is something that worked for me whatever lable was placed on the path.

we were all of us that followed maharaj ji seekers other wise he would not have attracted us and we did experience SOMETHING even if the originator (maharaj ji) was false

i still have that longing which was once filled by DLM

If any body is in a similar situation perhaps we could share experiance and possibly grow

Ji Sats Shanang

alan

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 18:38:07 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: alan
Subject: premie freshman
Message:
Hi Alan,

Do you know about the other ex-premie forum, 'Recent Exes'? Actually most of us there are not recent, but the emphasis is on a lot of the other spiritual explorations that many of us have made since leaving the cult. It's a flame-free environment and you need a password. If you're interested you can e-mail recentexes@yahoo.com, and they'll ell you more about it.

I have had the most incredible spiritutal life SINCE leaving MJ about 17 years ago. I'd be more comfortable telling you about it over on the other forum.

Love Disculta

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 20:56:01 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: timgitti@indigo.ie
To: alan
Subject: ex-premie freshman
Message:
Krishnamurti once said 'Truth is a pathless land' and who am I to deny that. Well the answer is I am as good as any man to answer that. Each one of us is as well equipped to find Truth etc as the next man .No one can be an authority for another because it is your life and you are the one to read it .It seems to boil down to that old chest nut 'Know Thyself'.
I relate to what you said about wanting to find the Truth and that DLM once filled that gap however inadequately...but it is so easy to want to find a comfortable and permanent solution ....a belief or a method. For me I see strongly that there is no security ,psychologically, and if we invent or inherit one it has in it the exclusion of life that by it's nature is eternally fresh and renewed. To live each day as alert as possible and as fresh as possible is a good start and to watch those desires for Security/Contentment/Knowledge with the same intensity is good too.For too long we swept what was 'actually happening' for us under the carpet.
Feel free to e-mail me for further dicussion
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 02:29:00 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Tim G
Subject: best path now
Message:
G'Day,I find the best path now is the one that takes me down to the shithouse(dunny or thunderbox to us crude aussies)at the end of the garden(just being facetious of course.

Cheers Aussi Ji.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 10:55:55 (GMT)
From: Bidouc_fr
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Happy new year to everyone...
Message:
Premie or not premie, it's not an issue

Dominique ––from france

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 13:59:00 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: Hestilsukstho@Bfree.com
To: Bidouc_fr
Subject: Re;) Happy new year to everyone...
Message:
Hear, fucking here!!!
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 01:23:23 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: I'm not to be trusted
Message:
If people leave animated GIFs lying about, I'm gonna lift them and put them on my site.

Click here for the Lord of the dance

and see Maharaji as only his closest devotees see him. Have your speakers turned on to hear the background Midi music.

.. Dave

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 00:37:46 (GMT)
From: suchabandon
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: to crash your computer,click on the toilet link(nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 01:25:31 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: suchabandon
Subject: to crash your computer,click on the toilet link(nt
Message:
Looks like the person there before you didn't flush the toilet. It works OK with me on both browsers.
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 02:48:53 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: You filthy beast
Message:
May the warth of the lords' boobs fall on you
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 03:57:19 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: I'm hungry (OT)
Message:
Have you had lunch?
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 04:20:11 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Oliver
Subject: Don't know what lunch is
Message:
Is something I can throw at rawat?

p.s. run out of biscuts, so no lunch here, could be no dinner either, somekesare better.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 14:06:33 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: RE;- Don't know what lunch is.
Message:
It's something you do when your hungry between dawn and dusk.

Do it best at the restraunt in the middle of nowhere matey.

Gotta go. Angel, the princesses pussy cat is just about to steal my chicken wing. Too late!, she beat me too it. BITCH!!!

So get out from under my table Salam and e-mail me, so we can talk scanners. (ssshhhhh, don't tell rawat.)

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 22:09:20 (GMT)
From: Oliver
Email: None
To: Oliver
Subject: Time to Break the Fast.
Message:
After I don'y know how many interruptions to my rest lasr night, I am about to be served breakfast.

A major freak such as I must keep my pecker up!

Talk again tomorrow.

Oliver.
Ps.Newbies should also check out:-
http://www.hotboards.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=forumlite

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 03:31:05 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: MarianneDB@aol.com
To: eDrek
Subject: Roger, copyright alert!!!!
Message:
Roger: You had better take a look at what Sir Dave has posted. He or someone else has taken great liberties with your boob photo. As you know, I am not a civil attorney, but I think you need some legal advice to determine if there's some sort of copyright violation here. Maybe you want to give Robert Jacobs a call at Millbank Tweed in NYC. They seem to be well educated about these issues.

As always, if you want to discuss this further, email me. I'm outraged that someone has taken advantage of your original artwork! And I am sure that some people down in Malibu are also.

By the way, HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!

Marianne, Esq.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 15:02:02 (GMT)
From: Windflower
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Roger, copyright alert!!!!
Message:
Hi Marianne,

Actually, I think those boobs were chopped off one of Guru Mahahi's lovers during his S&M phase. In fact I think they might be Dolly Parton's who was rumoured to have been spotted once with Mahahahi in Malibu cuz she has a kinky fondness for men her height once in a blue moon!

Windflower.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 03:37:10 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Marianne
Subject: Nah, an eye for an eye works
Message:
He stole from me and I shall steal from him.

For that is the law.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 03:50:28 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: That's my boys
Message:
Just a small question. When did the boobs start moving? Could we get someone too suck on them?
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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 19:12:09 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Maharaji's sex life
Message:
Could somebody please repost the post from Dettmers where he describes Maharaji's request for premie women to have sex with.

I'm amazed that all the threads aren't about this. It seems just about the most damning of all the drip-worthy revelations. It's totally abusive, as someone noted below. It's not like he was in love with someone and wanted to make love with them. He was looking for PREMIE WOMEN TO HAVE SEX WITH - like objects! And these are beings who have entrusted their souls to him. If it's true, it should be put in the newspapers and printed out and given to all premies. I haven't read the actual post from Michael, and I couldn't pull it up because it's fallen out of the inactive index.

Could someone post it here please?

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 03:39:16 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Maharaji, Jagdeo - same abusive behavior
Message:
I finally made a big connection reading these posts. No wonder M ignored the reports about Jagdeo's sexual abuse. M was engaged in similar behavior himself. He didn't want to point the finger at Jagdeo when he was doing the same thing.

Doesn't that make sense?

Marianne

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 04:19:58 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Marianne and Disculta
Subject: Absolutely
Message:
And I've been thinking about how Elaine waxed spiritual about how m looked her in the eyes for a few minutes when she got a front row seat somehow. (Isn't synchronicity amazing?) It reminded me of the standard bar come-on. Why should Jagdeo's m's abuse of girls and young women be less significant than Sai Baba's abuse of boys and young men? My sister just gave me a long article that is hitting Canadian papers about Sai Baba. I think it's a good time to start really exposing m's REAL 'boobs'.

(And I could scan it if anyone is really interested, but to me the significant thing is that within a couple of months there have been very strong statements against Sri Chinmoy and Sai Baba in mainstream Canadian newspapers.)

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 04:32:21 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Marianne and Disculta
Subject: Headline:'Sect leader accused of preying on men'
Message:
The headline was 'Sect leader accused of preying on men'.
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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 23:59:26 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: The apparent lack of outrage
Message:
It's even worse. Maharaji didn't even proposition these women himself, he had someone else do it. He had his devotees arrange for him to have sex with other devotees. It was just too beneath him to do it himself, I mean, what if he was turned down. He is truly the lowest of the low. How on earth can people even stand to hear him speak, let alone revere him?

It is very appalling, but then, I had a hard time being appalled, since I have known about Maharaji's sexual liaisons with premie women for years. Michael just confirmed it. I didn't know about Monica Lewis being his mistress until I found this website, but I knew about his alcoholism and his sex with blond premie women.

Frankly, I think a lot of premies know about these things, as well as Jagdeo, as well as a number of other of Maharaji's transgressions. What I think is amazing is that I haven't seen ONE premie even attempt to defend Maharaji, nor to deny it. Sure, they, like Danny, have attacked the messenger, but not even the most facile attempt has been made to defend the former Lord of the Universe. Danny, for one, knows this stuff is all true, and so he can't.

I think a lot of premies either know, or strongly suspect, that Maharaji is a pretty scummy person. But much in the same way that abused children come to the defense of parents who are abusing them, since he is THEIR scummy person, and someone whom they consider essential to their identitities and survival, much as a child might see an abusive parent, they don't reject him.

It's sick, symbiotic relationship.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 02:07:26 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: The apparent lack of outrage
Message:
I never knew this latest piece. I knew that MJ had had some affairs, and I learned about Monica from these sites. But this thing of procuring AND THEN DUMPING premie women is really shocking to me, even after all this time. I am thinking of moments when, perhaps, I did, for a change, feel a smattering of MJ's attention flickering towards me, and interpreted it as loving. I was around him a bit, wanting some acknowledgement of course as I did whatever nothing-and-nobody activity. And now I am wondering if he ever, ever looked at me with eyes of love, or was just checking me out, beautiful blonde that I was (and am!).

It's surprising how outrageous this is to me. I have talked with so many people from other gurus, discussing the subject of guru abuse and one of the things I have always said is that, while Maharaji was a lousy meditation teacher and financially on the take, he didn't exhibit the really gross abuse of devotees that others did. I thought it was because he was either uxorously married or socially inept, but at least he didn't seem to me like a sexual predator.

The thing that is the most OUTRAGEOUS to me is that after fucking these women, he dumped them by cutting off contact. This is about the most cruel, dehumanizing, demeaning behavior imaginable. Actually, in many ways, I guess I already felt that he had fucked me and then cut off contact. He invited me in to this intimate Lord of the Universe, give your all and I'll take care of you party and then was unavailable to help me through the difficulties this created for me. And when I sent my 'Goodbye Ex-Lord letter' and didn't get a reply, like so many people on this website have described, I felt incredibly undervalued after giving so much of my life.

Anyway, just had to rant and this is the place...

Outraged

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 02:28:56 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: The apparent lack of outrage
Message:
Yeah, the dumping part is pretty outrageous, but I'm not surprised because Maharaji has never had to clean up his own messes, and certainly his development and maturity are so truncated that he is probably incapable of interpersonal relationships. God only knows what his relationship with Marolyn is all about. I shiver to imagine.

I never had any personal involvement with Maharaji. I never had any illusion that he was even aware I was alive, other than in the usual spiritual mumbo jumbo of Maharaji's grace, and Maharaji taking care of us, and all that nonsense. It was just a weird dream; more like a nightmare.

Diculta, I thought you knew someone personally whom Maharaji abused badly. Didn't Maharaji's actions with that person let you see what kind of a disgusting jerk Maharaji really is, and hence make his treatment of these women not all that surprising?

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 00:19:19 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: The apparent lack of outrage
Message:
Yes, but if you remember, that friend has GONE BACK to Maharaji! And she knew all the x-rated stuff - that's where I first heard about it.

He never SEXUALLY abused her as far as I knew. But the control he exercised over her mind 'I never want you to have ONE sexual thought' was obviously abusive, and also another command that he wasn't keeping.

Actually, the worst kind of scumbag I can imagine is a spiritual teacher who fucks his devotees and then ignores them. I cannot imagine a more emotionally psychotic-making behavior> For me, after all else I've heard, this is gold medal Olympic scumbaag contention.

Love Disculta

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 20:09:00 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: please read Michael Dettmers
Message:

Along with Disculta I too, the more I digest it, think this is one of the most disgusting things that has come to light. The women who Rawat 'chose' did not have the capacity to consent to have sex with him in a normal way.

Someone posted about why it was Rawat turned down your call girl suggestion. I think they hit it on the head. A call girl would see Rawat as a short fat awkward but filthy rich guy that is paying her to have sex with him. It likely was not a very exciting prospect for him, to have someone see him for what he really is the way a call girl would.

On the other hand, if he has sex with a premie woman, she thinks he is 'God'. She has to have sex with him if it is his agya and Lila. This could be a very big 'turn on' to him.

I also think it is abuse. I do not think that the guru procuring devotees to have sex with is just his business, or private, and I think it is spiritual abuse and abuse of power and privledge. He knew these women thought he was 'god' 'perfect master' 'lord of the universe'. How could they say no?

Jagdeo used his postion as a trusted Mahatma to abuse girls( and maybe boys ). He also used the tenets of our cult to get the girls to go along with what he wanted. He would twist it that if they did what he wanted it was part of some spiritual proccess. Because these were children it was much worse than Rawat.

But there is a similarity, because any woman that was called upon to have the service of servicing Rawat's sexual whims was being abused. Because you just can't consent to have sex with God without it being an incredible abuse. I would just bet too that part of his 'seduction' was to enmesh the perfect master crap with sex just like Jagdeo did with kids as part of the molestation.

Michael, if you would give us more details about how Rawat went about this I would like to know:

1) What did he tell you specifically when he asked you to let someone know she had been chosen?

2) What did you say to the women in question? 'Maharaji wants to have sex with you' 'meet Maharaji at 10:00 pm at the Presidential Suite of the Four Seasons'. Did the women know for sure what service was in store for them before they arrived in the room? Do you think they saw the encounter in a spiritual context? Was it his agya, his lila? Do you think any of them saw it as mere sexual opportunism on his part? What about when he dumped them afterward? What feelings did they express? What sort of anguish were they in? How did you console them ( the Lord works in mysterious ways?)

3) Are any of the women this happened to ex's? Current premies? Are you in touch? I would like to hear from them how they have dealt with this experience in the context of moving on with their lives. I would like to know just how much Rawat used the concepts of agya, mind, lila, etc in his what I consider to be abuse of them.

Thanks,

Susan

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 11:46:08 (GMT)
From: Michael Dettmers
Email: dettmers@gylanix.com
To: Susan
Subject: please read Michael Dettmers
Message:
Susan,

I am travelling to Atlanta today returning home tomorrow. I will respond to your question sometime this weekend.

Michael

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 05:10:52 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Michael Dettmers
Subject: thanks Michael (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 11:23:20 (GMT)
From: alan
Email: smithutodd@aol.com
To: Susan
Subject: please read Michael Dettmers
Message:
hi susan

i read you letter on the ex-premie site and i guess i am asking for you to fill me in as i had not heared any of this. I am not really up on the latest on maharaji, being many years since i was involved with DLM as it was then i am thinking about getting back into the flow but i now read all this negative info about somebody that i once held as well the same as yourself the perfect master .

I guess that i am more cynical but still i look for a path it is sad that i too was taken in when young if what you say is true

but where does that leave us? where is a pathway to self and knowledge

hope you find time to ansawer if not then may you find what we together with many others are looking for

love and perfect peace alan

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 05:10:17 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: alan
Subject: Hi Alan
Message:
keep reading the site and the blanks will fill in. I do not have any special wisdom about life other than to say I still believe it is a gift and a miracle. I do not however, think that Maharaj Ji has anything to do with it being a gift or a miracle. He just wants all the credit for pointing out what most people already know, and he wants your gratitude and your soul, and your life, as one of his many possessions. He is a creep and a fraud. But life, it is a miracle, I agree.
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 21:51:06 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: alan
Subject: paths and pathways
Message:
As I tend to do I am in crisis with work shit right now.
Someone gave me advice today that I liked. It may not be popular here or may, who knows? But what she said was,
Try to analyze if your choices are fear choices or growth choices.
I liked that.
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 06:05:35 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: paths and pathways Thanks Selene :)
Message:
Good one. I copied it.
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Date: Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 00:15:08 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: you are welcome
Message:
This is helping work through my decisions. Fear makes me want to stay in my secure little bubble. It is also not so off topic because I feel that leaving M was a growth choice and it was scary and hard but worth it.
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Date: Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 02:54:07 (GMT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: You are a true survivor!
Message:
Hi Selene,

Although I haven't been through what you have, I have been through other things which have put me through a similar process (different scale), and it hasn't been easy, but it has always gotten better after a while. It's quite strange the way you are in a kind of limbo or suspended animation, like a spell has been cast on you. Quite amazing what we can survive, isn't it?! I've learned that each time I make it through any kind of 'hell', I become a little stronger, and wiser. Yes, I know I can be an absolute idiot at times, but I'm still working on me! Thanks for helping me to understand better what you've all been through. I will never forget crashing at AG and having my first conversation with you and Forum God. (That Jim's-bitchiness-thing was definitely not ho hum either! ;) Can you believe that I don't know any Blue Rodeo Songs unless I know one and don't know it's Blue Rodeo?!)

I raise my virtual glass to you.

Cheers Selene!! You're a true survivor!!!

Big Happy New Year's Hugs!

Love,

Anna

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 21:52:34 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: one more small question for Michael Dettmers
Message:
A woman premie friend of mine who lived in San Diego in the 80's told me that she was approached by a PAM with news that Maharaji wanted to have more children but Marilyn was now too old. Do you know if that reasoning was ever put forth to women who were solicited? (p.s. my friend was blond and quite attractive). This could have been a good excuse for the sex, since it could have been presented as a way for the Master to bring some additional very blessed children into the world, or some such nonsense.
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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 20:58:14 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: best darshan story ever
Message:
Going to the Presidential Suite at the Four Season's Hotel (or some such) to meet the living Incarnation of God for sex. WOW!!! And all the details about the initial invitation, what clothes to wear, the first meeting glances, the conversation, the techniques (four or more) of love-making. No, no, it's too much.

Actually, Sir Dave's site has a second-hand account supposedly originating from one woman who spent a night of sex with Mr. Rawat. She said he was an lousy lover and it was the weirdest night of her life.

You're right, Disculta and Susan, this is a very very damning story, (and not in any puritanical way). Any premie who hears this story and continues to follow Maharaji definitely deserves what they get. Let'em. Who cares?

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 19:49:32 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Here is what Michael Dettmers said.,....
Message:
Quoted from Michael Dettmers.

Joe and several others have asked if the widespread belief that Maharaji has had numerous affairs with premies over the years is true.

Beginning in 1985, Maharaji began a series of affairs with women who were premies. His move in this direction was prompted by his marriage difficulties in 1984. Although he and Marolyn came to some understanding and resolution over their problems, I do not know if part of that resolution included an agreement that he would be free to engage in extramarital affairs. I know that, from Maharaji’s perspective, Marolyn was certainly not free to engage in extramarital affairs.

At that time, Maharaji and I were particularly close and he told me of his desire to experience other women. I was not shocked by his desire nor did I have a negative assessment about it. In fact, I thought that it might put him more in touch with his humanity which could only be a positive development as far as I was concerned. However, I strongly advised him not to get involved with premies. To me, this could potentially bring trouble for him and create difficulties for the women as well. Instead, I suggested that he engage the services of a professional escort, and I offered to make the arrangements for him. At first he seemed open to the idea but soon thereafter he decided against it.

He told me that there was a particular premie woman he had in mind, and he asked me to arrange that they meet, which I did. Soon, thereafter, he asked me to arrange a meeting with another woman. In the meantime, the first person was left high and dry wondering what was going on. He cut off communication with her and her only recourse was to contact me. I now found myself in the unpleasant circumstance of dealing with situations he created by his lust and careless disregard for the hurt and confusion it inflicted on his victims.

After three such incidents, I told him that his reckless behavior was backfiring, and that I did not have the time to take care of the negative consequences it produced. He responded by agreeing that I had more important things to handle for him than procuring women and that he would now take care of that task himself, meaning that he simply delegated the task to someone who was more amenable to it. He continued to have numerous affairs of which I am aware and it was not too long thereafter that he began a more serious affair with Monica Lewis that, according to my sources, continues to this day.

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 23:21:55 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Here is what Michael Dettmers said.,....
Message:
Hi Joe,

It just occured to me that I am not positive that I sent you a package. Did I?
I hope I didnt just get swamped and forget. I did send one to Jim. I have one ready for JM.
Did I?

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 00:12:44 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: Nope, not yet. (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 19:34:53 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Sir Dave's site...
Message:
...has Dettmer's posts saved for posterity, at The Truth About Maharaji. Go to the Sex and Scandal in Malibu section.
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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 18:11:22 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Kerpal and his dog
Message:
Click here if you want to hear some funny shit. I crack up everytime I hear this.
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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 05:25:47 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: The Lord's brother and his dog?
Message:
Kirpal Singh has a nasty temper, huh? Glad he doesn't live on my street. I've got a 'Dog Dazer.'
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 13:26:06 (GMT)
From: JTF
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Kerpal and his dog/Thanks..
Message:
..I enjoyed that. Reminds me of a scene I witnessed a few weeks ago at my local 7-11. I got to watch a very heated interaction between a drunken red neck customer and the turbin-heade worker behind the counter. Wish I could have taped it.
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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 17:52:20 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: So I went to the Satellite Video Event last night
Message:
Steve Quint and I had talked about meeting when Laurie and I came back through Van on our way home from Whistler. When we spoke yesterday morning, Steve suggested that we hook up at the hotel bar where the Wednesday night video events occurred. We could meet, have a drink and, if the spirit(s) moved us, check out the Lord of the Universe. It wouldn't cost anything (the Lord part) and, well, Steve was going anyway and it was on our way ...

Of course neither Steve nor I thought each other look as we'd expected. We all had a drink, said hi, talked a bit. The hotel the cult meets in now is a fiarly humble one in east Van. Must be a lot, lot cheaper than the downtown meeting rooms we used to rent bakc in the day. But no wonder; there was hardly anyone there. I counted 15, including Laurie and me. 15 lonely souls out to watch a live satellite broadcast of a videotape of one night at the Hans Jayanti festival in India last month. Maharaji spoke in Hindi with a nice female talkover in English.

As soon as we entered, I recognized one premie I hadn't seen in over 20 years sitting at the door. She didn't recognize me and I walked in and wnet over to sit down next to my old ashram brother, one-time Instructor, Stuart McDougall. There were just a few people scattered here and there. If it was a commercial release, I'd expect them to start showing something new the next night.

Perhaps our biggest mistake was buying into the satsang model: I talk and you listen. Really, what an ineffectual form of communication compared to something more interactive, something with some feedback, something that calls for some accountability on the speaker's part, something bizarre like a discussion or something. I know, I know. The whole trip was premised on the notion that we spiritual neophytes knew so little and what we did know was all tainted by the world, confused and wrong. And hell, even if it was RIGHT it was wrong because we probably were too 'attached' to it or something, too proud. Better consider yourself stupid, act dumb and play empty. Shut up, grasshopper, and listen. Yeah, right.

What I saw last night was a personality striptease. Maharaji has the floor for as long as he wants to do whatever he wants. He uses the time to mug this way and that, showing off little displays of faux virtues. Here's the master being strong and resolute. Here's the master being patient and long-suffering. And here he is being natural, compassionate and unaffected. He does some of these poses in mere seconds. They're brush strokes at times. Mere eyebrow shrugs suffice in a cult where the code is so universal and well-thumbed. Everyone knows Maharaji's shtick, so he can vamp on it as heavily or lightly as he wants. Everyone 'understands' when the only thing TO understand is that 'Maharaji is Maharaji' (whatever the fuck that REALLY means).

At one point, Stuart got up to go. I wanted to say hi even though Steve had already told me that Stuart had told him amonth or so ago that he had no interest in talking with someone as negative as me. 'Hi, Stuart.'

'Who's that?'

'It's me, Jim.'

'Oh, hi Jim' and he was off. Left early after whispering something to Sylvia at the door. But I'm not paranoid. I'm sure he didn't leave to avoid talking with me. Of course not.

Maharaji said very, very little of substance but a few things stick out:

One was that arti isn't just a song. We should really, really udnerstand the significance of the words we're singing. It's not a mantra, it's a real prayer to Guru Maharaj Ji. Yes, yes, I know. This completely flies in the face of the EV FAQs etc. but then this was India, don't forget. House rules and all.

Another thing he said was that it was important to find something in life that you can trust beyond reason. Should the sun come up on the wrong side of the world, no matter. You trust that one thing or person so much it wouldn't make a difference. And I'm thinking, 'why? Why in the world would you ever want to allow something to pry away your common sense and reason?' But then I'm fallen, I guess. We monmots do get into some pretty dark places at times.

Maharaji also told an absurdly useless story about some swans carring a tortoise out of forest fire by having it hang on to a stick with its mouth. The trick for the tortoise, of course, was to never say anything until he was safely put down. So they fly over some villages and eveyonje claps and waives at the tortoise. The tortoise begins to say thanks or something and ....

Now at this point Laurie and I are very discretely, very politely laughing our heads off. I mean no one knew or anything. But, yes, we were laughing.

Not as much, though, as when Maharaji came back out with his now quite-pudgy daughter and started leading the troops in some two-aprt Bajan. And there was David Anderson shamelessly hamming it up on the bass and Fuzzbee pulling off riffs for his multi-cultural uni-cult audience. Maharaji sings worse than some dogs I've heard. That was a first for me and hopefully a last. Please.

The lights went up and I looked around the room. Was that what's her name? Yes, it was! I said hi to a couple of people. After the initial bonhommies, I noticed that these people weren't used to striking up plain, ol' conversations inthese circumstances. Now I wasn't about to cause a scene, maybe because I didn't want to play into anyone's expectations, (maybe just because there wasn't a big enough audience!). But I was polite. I mentioned to one girl I knew from a million years ago that I was no longer a premie, that I thought we'd gotten involed very young and with a dearth of contextual information. Now I was older and wanted that information and, guess what? I was getting it. That there was a website, ex-premie.org, that acted as a clearing house for all sorts of facts that Maharaji would never want known. She firmly resisted with a somewhat forced smile and I demurred.

Forgive me for generalizing, but I noticed a decided sadness in these guys. Really. Back when we rented rooms in the Hotel Vancouver our cult was on the ascendency and we all felt and knew that. We were aprt of something big and that itself brought meaning and enthusiasm. What could it mean that the cult was meeting in cheap rooms like this that even still seemed too big and overblown? People feel these things. It's unavoidable. I felt sorry for them all.

There was a coldness to their interaction with each other that I'd kind of forgotten. You know, we reminisce and reminsice but I think at times we -- or I do, anyway -- forget how chilly we could be in this cult. Soem guy started talking with me and it was as if he had a simple service to do and he wasn't doing it and all he got was a bit of a 'hurry up' from his video tech cohort and, well, it was bleak.

You like going to these things, Steve? Help yourself. If I lived in Van I would probably go a bunch until I'd crossed paths with all the oldtimers I knew and felt that I'd said at least a little somethging to them all, just so they knew the website was here for them if they were ever interested.

One girl (hard to think of them as women, even though we're all so middle-aged now) told me that soon all the premies will be able to watch these broadcasts at home. I said that even though I no longer believe in Maharaji or Knowledge I had to say that at least in the old days we did get to do this shit together. It seemed so sterile now. (I know this somewhat contradicts me earlier observation that we were so often cold with each other, but coolness is at least something, better than nothing, I figure). She told me that a few weeks ago they had a '70's' party. All the premies came with their old medallions and buttons. They showed old videos. What a conversation starter that might ahve been but then this was the girl/woman who had resisted my earlier effort to pry the lid off adn the box remained closed.

Afterward, Laurie and I had a fast bite with Steve and a friend of his who was there as well. And that, as they say, was that.

Et I did pick up one souvenir, a print out on a meeting in early January, kind of a lunchbag brainstormer, to see how they could get propagation kick-started ......

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 08:43:33 (GMT)
From: brian too
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I think that we were so cool
Message:
to each other because as I recall there was this suspicious vibe amoungst us that no one was measuring up to the alledged bliss potential. We kept each other at arms length because we did not want to get found out. Keep the big smile pasted on ones face at all times and keep up appearances.

It is funny that you mentioned this, I had not given much thought to the strange little distance that we cultivated between us back then. This space seemed to get larger the higher up the Premie Food chain one was.

I had a very hard time being a good devotee back then, Today I do not feel quite so guilty about that

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 04:11:45 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: A bit more
Message:
Laurie's in the other room, still recuperating from our one day of snowboarding. She did better than me in that, quite honestly, I had a hell of a time getting back up after falling every ten seconds. Indeed, I plum gave up. But hell, YOU try it. You've got this board under your feet that's meant to move, not stand still, and that's what it does. It moves. Even reagular boarders can't stand still on the slope, they've got to sit down or unstrap. I wasn't in shape at all for this and, shit ....

Like, I was able to get the actual borading a bit, but I can't even think of trying it again until I get in much better shape. Laurie, on the other hand, was a ripper. That's what her kids called her anyway, 'Ripper'. 'Mom's a ripper!' But she was. She was able to get herself back up after falling and the rest, well, they say it takes a few days.

But she doesn't look like much of a ripper right now. Ha! You should see her.

So tonight, as part of my new fitness regimen, we're going to see the new, highly-acclaimed martial arts flick, 'Crouching Tiger, something-or-other'. That is, if I can wake the Ripper up and get her off the couch.

But why am I posting?

Just to say this: one thing came through clearer than anything else in Maharaji's discourse, juxtaposed against the confident, strong adventuring spirit of the kids I hung out with up at Whistler. Maharaji cultivated nothing but weakness, cowardice and infantilism in us. Many of us were immature and tentative about the world when we got caught. Well, Maharaji played on that and only made it worse. People who joined with stronger spirits were broken down or somehow co-opted so that they, too, eventually lost all courage and independence. I know this is basic, maybe trite, but it hit me quite strongly yesterday. Maharaji takes people from life and makes them mere voyeurs. Yes, there's a big 'spiritual' tradition that supports this but that's what it is nonetheless. It's babying in the extreme. Much like that classic Nichols and May routine about the jewish astronaut and his cloying mama who has him reduced to baby talk in their goodbye call before he blasts off. Sad, sad, sad.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 05:43:00 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: great post Jim
Message:
Just to say this: one thing came through clearer than anything else in Maharaji's discourse, juxtaposed against the confident, strong adventuring spirit of the kids I hung out with up at Whistler. Maharaji cultivated nothing but weakness, cowardice and infantilism in us

good stuff, interesting insights

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 04:26:50 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Nicols and May's 'Mother and Son'
Message:
This may be the link. Don't know, as it doesn't work on my computer for some reason, but it's worth a try if it's the same routine:

Mother and Son

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 19:07:38 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Good insights James.-nt
Message:
xdfh
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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 01:06:07 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: Jim
Subject: So I went to the Satellite Video Event last night
Message:
I just want to add that I concur with Jim's observations. Attendance was lower than expected. He made a total fool of himself (m, not Jim). He looked like he was squirming in his chair. And the singing - towards the end I actually heard some loud banging on the side wall of the room - I was expecting baying dogs any second.

The lord? The Indian audience looked infinitely happier than he did. Jim said it's because they don't know he's a fake and he does. Ignorance is bliss.

Steve

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 22:13:50 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: So I went to the Satellite Video Event last night
Message:
Jim,

Thanks for your observations. I don't know if I could have stomached being there.

I suggest you make every effort to attend the propogation meeting. I'm sure you would have a number of helpful suggestions.

I think selling the Elan Vital newsletter door-to-door, setting up a giant picture of Maharaji in the park and yelling that the Lord is here, and organizing another 'most significant event in human history' event are the most promising, don't you?

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 23:12:54 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Thanks for the laugh Jimmie. nt
Message:
fgh
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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 22:30:20 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Hooking for the Lord
Message:
A synchronized team of Holy Whores for the Lord could not only progagate Knowledge, but the species as well (now that's synchronization IMO). I suppose those darker-haired sacred prostitutes (men and women alike) could don blonde wigs so Maharaji would feel most comfortable with this tool of propagation.

Donnez-moi un big break. What a mess.

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 21:30:02 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: As sad as it gets, well, it can get even worse
Message:
Thanks for your post. Happy to see you here again. I missed your posts, really, while you were gone.

The description of your time at the Satellite Event reminds me once more of the luck we had leaving the cult, since I realize many are not going to make it out. Your post clearly express the sadness of the cult today, even taht you placed humor at times narrating it.

I left about a year a go and being that my memories are still fresh it makes my stomach sick. Strong emotions surfaced reading your post. I feel very resentful still. I am very angry at Rawat, and indirectly to his troop. I was one of the premies in charge of presenting such Satellite Events and I remember well what a sacrifice really taht ment, because how he'd put it so many times: What else can be more important than being there, listening to the Living Perfect Master? So much was given up, by me and the others 'participants'/servants to be there, 'religiously' every time. He kept us busy like hell... almost every week. So much work and so hard to accomodate responsibilities, family, etc. with the Living Lord asking you for help. To try to amiliorate the guilt for not attending when the events occurred with justifications why I couldn't do it in a particular ocassion was in vane, because then, in a phone conference I would be then reminded taht if I didn't put him/K first, I was LOST, not clear, as David Smith and others put it. You better be there was the hidden message. To me there was no choice. Imagine, 9-10 premies left in a community that used to be one of the largest ones. The Lord is here kept me going ,slaving for him and forced me psichologically to be there.

Oh yes, I am very resentful still. How much easier could have been for me if he told us the truth. I would have never participated on the Elan Vital scam for 5-6 years.

Rawat must be exposed as much as possible at this site and be reminded (HE READS THIS SITE, I BET) of how much pain and sadness he has inflicted upon 'his' premies and what a sad loser he is. We here can remind him of the pain he inflicts presently and taht it SHOULD stop. He doesn't want to give up the title, eh? Too bad.

I am aware of the statue of limitations Jim. I am going for the jugular. I will use my aggressive personality and resources to do what I can, personally, to expose him to the world if possible. Any ex-premie who left recently should do the same. It's up to us to do something, if we want to, of course.

I have to get up everyday and be reminded of how well he fhuqed up my life. It is not easy to enjoy life after exiting the cult, not easy. I am a recent ex, time will help, I hear. I hear others like you who apparently went on with their lives. Enjoy life? Possible, but the strenght are not there at times and that hurts because I know with absolute certainty that it is not solely my fault, but his irresponsability also. The brainwashing received is simply too powerful.

Thanks again for sharing with us what you saw.

Love,

SB

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 21:52:41 (GMT)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: Pounding a nail in your head
Message:
Remember how he used to go on about how teachers pounded a nail in your head and he took it out?

Well, when I finally questioned the heart/mind split, the nail he had pounded into my head came out.

As Anth said, sometime recently, brain healing seems to be on automatic just like body healing. When the deep dark hole carved into my psyche by the fucker aches, I think of it as an old wound that is healing.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 01:43:15 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Lesley
Subject: Pounding a nail in your head
Message:
I take your post as a tip. Right? :)

Believe me, I am trying very hard to heal because I DO realize considering what he took away from me, he got enough. Now needs to be my time. Such a circumstance that of some of us...

When I left it became obvious that all rawat said about being a slave was exactly the opposite: I was free when I crossed paths with him and became a slave of his false promises. Is time for him to free his left premies. They do not belong to him.

I feel like swering but I'm not going to do it tonight.

RAWAT SUCKS!!

Lesley, did you used other/s names here?

Chau

Thanks. SB

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 21:05:50 (GMT)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: SB
Subject: The slaves are revolting
Message:
It always makes me giggle, that phrase, childish, I know, but the double meaning of revolting makes me giggle!

Empathy, more than advice, but yes, thinking of it as an old wound that is healing makes it easier for me.

I agree with you, it is time to shake the palace walls. Just one ex makes such an impact.

All the best, Lesley, aka Lotus Eater.

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 19:24:37 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Did you leave anything in the donations box?
Message:
I remember Stuart. He put gardenia oil along the window sills of our ashram. He caught me laughing about it.

Our community in the 70's was always a warm, friendly one. The satsang meeting was always very pleasant and soothing. Maharaji doesn't really know how to run a cult or he would have strengthened community bonds instead of breaking them. Very powerful.

The cold atmosphere only started here when the video programs were held at impersonal, public locations and all the premies were actually instructed not to speak. Bad, bad move, guru. Don't you know premies love to hear themselves blabber on and on, just as much as you do?

That 70's party is very interesting. Who brought the charanumrit? Was it BYOB, bring you own barogon? I bet Maharaji misses the old days, but they're gone forever. The future looks drier and drier, unless Rawat really freaks out and starts up with the weapon-stockpiling option.

If you or Steve attend the promogation meeting, please let us know what ideas they come up with. I can't think of a single one!

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 04:36:51 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: No but I dropped my card in for the lunch draw
Message:
Interesting, Way. You're probably right. Maharaji's turned the thermostat down on these guys. Poor, poor premies.

I won't be going to that propagation meeting because I'm back in Victoria now. Besides, that kind of encounter would indeed get ugly. How could I help but be disruptive? I couldn't. Not in their eyes anyway.

I wonder if the 70's party included any mention of the five British Columbia premies (that I know of) who killed themselves in '74 and '5, or of Mahatma Tejeshwarand turning one of our two ashrams into his own private harem for a few months. Did they reminsice about our Lord of the Universe parades? What? What was their take, what was their spin? I truly would have loved to have been there for that one.

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 19:41:16 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: Way
Subject: Did you leave anything in the donations box?
Message:
I didn't see him put anything in the donations box but I was waiting for him a long time while he lingered in the room. I was about to call a deprogrammer.

Steve

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 18:22:07 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Words to Arti?
Message:
Jim: Congratulations on having gotten into the satellite event. Next time they'll have armed security to keep you out!

I am most impressed that M mentioned arti. Could someone please post the words in this thread, or a link to where it can be found? Those who are unfamiliar with its intensely devotional language are in for a real treat. Who said this guy no longer touts himself as the Lord of the Universe? Read the words to arti and figure it out for yourself.

I found a net site about EV events in Ireland, Jim. What do you think? They don't know me over there....

Happy New Year, and thanks for taking the plunge. I understand there's a coordinated effort for exes to attend as many video and live events as possible in 2001.

Marianne

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 18:51:51 (GMT)
From: Joy
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Words to Arti
Message:
Hi Marianne. The words to Arti can be found in the Nuts and Bolts section of this website. But here they are below, to refresh people's memory (I sung this every day for many years). I think it's outrageous that he STILL uses this ancient devotional song to portray himself as Lord of the Universe (in disguise).

Enjoy Ireland, you lucky dog! (P.S. Good post, Jim!)

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Guru Brahma, Guru Vishnu,
Guru Devo-Maheshwara,
Guru sakshat, Param Brahma
tas mai Shri Guru vai namaha.

Dhyana mulam guru murti,
Puja mulam guru paduka
Mantra mulam guru vakyam,
Moksha mulam guru kripa.

Meditation begins in the form of our master,
Adoration begins at the feet of our lord,
Concentration begins in the words of our master,
Liberation begins in the grace of our lord.

Jai Gurudev Maharaj Ji
Your glory fills the world
Protector of the weary and the weak
You bring the death of attachment
You bring the mind true detachment
Save us from the ocean deep
Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev

Creator, Preserver, Destroyer
Bow their heads and pray to You
All bow and pray to You
Scriptures sing Your glory
Heaveny hosts sing Your praises
Your virtues are ever true
Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev

Chanting, fasting, charity, austerity
never bring you knowledge of the soul
will never reveal your soul
without the grace of satguru
without the Knowledge of Satguru
rites and rituals never reach the goal
Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev

In the river of bondage to maya
All are swept out to sea
All are sinking in the depths of the sea
Guru's boat is the holy name
Guru's ship is the holy word
In seconds he has set us free
Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev

Anger, desire, attachments
Rob us of eternal life
Take away our heavenly life
Satguru gives us true Knowledge
Satguru is eternal Knowledge
The sword that kills our problem life
Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev

Religions harp their own glories
Call to follow their own path
Welcome me to follow their own way
The essence of all was revealed
The seed of all was revealed
I walk on the true way today
Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev

Nectar from Satguru's feet is
Holy and it cleans us of our sins
So sacred in cleaning us of sin
When he speaks, darkness flies away
When he speaks, darkness cannot stay
Doubts removed, new life then begins
Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev

Mine, thine, Heart, Time
Give them to the lotus feet of love
Give them to the lotus feet of the Lord
Give yourself to Satguru
Sacrifice yourself to Satguru
Be united with the blissful Truth
Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev

Bible, Gita, the Koran
Sing the glory of Your Name
They all sing the glory of Your Name
Angels sing Your great glory
Heavenly hosts sing Your praises
They find no end to Your fame
Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev

Desires have robbed me and left me
Trapped in the darkness of the night
Yes, they've trapped me in the darkness of the night
Guru gives holy Name and Light
Guru gives Holy Name and Sight
Cross the ocean by His Love and Light
Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev

Many past forms you have taken
Now we have come in your control
Again You have come to save the soul
In this time of darkness
To lead Your devotees from darkness
You have come as Hansa the pure soul
Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev

Come to the shelter of Guru's grace
Come with your heart and your soul
Bring Him your heart and your soul
Cross the worldly ocean
Cross it by your devotion
And attain the supreme goal
Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev

Jai Gurudev Maharaj Ji
Your glory fills the world
Protector of the weary and the weak
You bring the death of attachment
You bring the mind true detachment
Save us from the ocean deep
Jai Dev, Jai Satgurudev

Our Lord is the maker of all things created
He keeps them and brings them
all home to his word

Our Lord is the superior power in person
I bow down before such a wonderful Lord.

Twameva Mata, chaa pita twameva
Twameva bhandu chaa sukha twameva
Twamev vidya dravinam twameva
Twamev sarvam muma deva deva
Twamev sarvam muma deva deva
Twamev sarvum muma deva deva

You are my mother and you are my father
you are my brother and you are my friend
you are riches, you are wisdom
You are my all, my lord to me.
You are riches, You are wisdom
You are my all, my Lord to me.

Guru Maharaj Ji, my life is within You
From You I was born and to You now I go
Forever I'm Yours, my longing is endless
This heart of mine aches to be one with You
Forever I'm Yours, my longing is endless
This heart of mine aches to be one with You

Wherever I look, Your face is before me
Your golden Love melts all my troubles away
I give You my heart, for in You it will mellow
Maharaj Ji my Lord, my life is Your play
I give You my heart, for in You it will mellow
Maharaj Ji my Lord, my life is Your play

Oh wondrous Lord, my Guru Mahraj Ji
Your grace is a river which flows on and on
You fill my heart with Your Love overflowing
Let me come home find my rest at Your feet
You fill my heart with Your Love overflowing
Let me come home find my rest at Your feet

Twameva Mata, chaa pita twameva
Twameva bhandu chaa sukha twameva
Twamev vidya dravinam twameva
Twamev sarvam muma deva deva
Twamev sarvam muma deva deva
Twamev sarvum muma deva deva

Tasmey Shri, Guru Deva Deva
Guru Vishnu, Guru Deva

Oh my Guru Maharaji,
you are all powerfull,
there is nothing in this world you cannot do,
you can do everything,
kindly save me,
kindly protect me,
and thank you my Lord for everything.


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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 01:21:36 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Joy
Subject: Amazing, can not remember a word of it
Message:
and I sang it nearly every day for years.
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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 20:28:59 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Joy
Subject: Warning, do not read Joy's post!
Message:
I found myself in the kitchen making ghee candles with the ends of my used Q-tips!
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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 20:46:22 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Disculta
Subject: Fear not! Cleanse yourself with Larkin's Arti
Message:
Larkin's Arti
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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 22:56:38 (GMT)
From: Music Critic
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Is the arti music online? I need it for......
Message:

Our Lord to Dance to.....

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 20:54:35 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Phew! Thanks Drekko! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 18:33:48 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Words to Arti?
Message:
http://www.ex-premie.org/pages/arti.htm

Hi Marianne,
Enjoy Ireland. Personally I would think there would be much better things to do than attend one of those things, unless you need a reminder of why you left, which I doubt you do.
Jim's description of the premie interaction was a lot like I remember it a few years ago, only he was being kind I think.

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 18:06:41 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: Jim
Subject: I Finally Got To Meet The Great Jim
Message:
I like funerals too, Jim. Don't put down my eclectic tastes.

Steve

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 20:25:06 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Steve Quint
Subject: I met Jim Heller, too. What a let down!
Message:
You're expecting this mean, loudmouth 100% asshole and then there he is and he's rather pleasant and considerate and his girlfriend is a babe.

Although, his bodyguards are a bit intimidating.

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Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 01:11:19 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: I met Jim Heller, too. What a let down!
Message:
Don't say that. We should be keeping up the image of six-foot two 250 pound Big Jim.

Steve

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Date: Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 03:00:32 (GMT)
From: Tom's imagination
Email: None
To: Steve Quint
Subject: 250 lbs yes, though not so tall(nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 16:57:55 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: The Daism Forum
Message:
We have been mentioned on the Daism Forum, a chatline for ex-devotees of Adi Da (aka Da Free John, etc.) Somebody named Don posted a message just before Christmas that he has holiday guests, a couple who have been premies since 1971. They brought a recent video with them. I asked Don to tell those premies about the ex-premie website. He makes a fresh post just after Christmas. Somebody else jumps in with a colorful impression of Guru Maharaj Ji. If you're interested, just do a search for 'Daism Forum' and you'll find links to the forum.
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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 17:48:48 (GMT)
From: Bazza
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Link for the lazy
Message:
Daism Forum

Don't mention it.

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Date: Thurs, Dec 28, 2000 at 18:47:15 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Bazza
Subject: FA -One good thing about how their forum works
Message:
At the Daism forum, the responses to any original post are all lined up indented and in order, no matter when you make the response. And then the responses to the responses are likewise further indented and lined up under that response. Saves a lot of confusion that we get here where the chronology ends up very haphazard and it's sometimes hard to tell who is responding to what post. I do prefer the overall look of our forum, though.
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