Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 02:45:51 (GMT)
From: Mar 03, 2001 To: Mar 15, 2001 Page: 3 Of: 5


Larkin -:- When the roll is called up yonder... -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:03:23 (GMT)
__ Elan Vital -:- Unsynchronized Lyrics -:- Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 17:41:10 (GMT)
__ JohnT -:- Hurray for the Forum! -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 10:53:56 (GMT)
__ Francesca -:- Oh Lark! you are de Dr. Seuss of de forum! -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 06:50:24 (GMT)
__ Deputy Dog -:- When the roll is called up yonder... -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 06:30:07 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Deputy -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 06:38:52 (GMT)
__ Way -:- How about -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 23:07:37 (GMT)
__ __ Postie -:- Also -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 00:20:22 (GMT)
__ Bobby -:- When the roll is called up yonder... -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 21:45:27 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Good idea Bobby. Here's my pic. -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 05:01:33 (GMT)
__ __ pixels -:- Aint no address!..nt -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 03:34:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- hey cutie (bobby I mean) -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 06:01:28 (GMT)
__ Selene -:- eat your heart out hamster -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 21:14:35 (GMT)
__ Sandy -:- Let's not forget Larkin -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 14:13:15 (GMT)
__ __ JohnT -:- Name two, Sandy? -:- Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 14:02:58 (GMT)
__ Aussi Ji -:- I had no idea there were so many. -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:13:41 (GMT)
__ TED Farkel -:- would've been nice to mention the TRAC...... -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:08:40 (GMT)
__ __ larkin -:- would've been nice to mention the TRAC...... -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:20:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ TED Farkel -:- Thank you,much obliged.Mr. Larkin...nt. -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 21:23:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ suchabanana -:- did I miss something? that's ok,am ineffable fella -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 18:33:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ janet of venice -:- i hate to be lost--am i janet or Janet? -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 08:24:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Thelma -:- Don't get your tits in a tangle, jai choix -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 09:25:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ bill--It's 'petite' even -:- though she lives in Implantwood, Cal.....nt -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 13:46:31 (GMT)

Aussi Ji -:- Aspirant figures in Aus,and trouble in paradise -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:51:48 (GMT)
__ Cw -:- Aussie Ji - Had to be a Kiwi! -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:31:46 (GMT)
__ __ Selene -:- huh? -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 19:30:55 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- FA -- THE CAT'S PUKING AGAIN -- can u toss him? -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:52:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- FA -- I agree -- toss him, please -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 17:23:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ Cw -:- FA -- THE CAT'S PUKING AGAIN -- can u toss him? -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 14:42:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- FA -- THE CAT'S PUKING AGAIN -- can u toss him? -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 15:00:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ CW -:- THE CAT'S accurate AGAIN -- Jims tossing him? -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 02:33:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Connie -:- CW, it's posts exactly like yours that helped -:- Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 08:55:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- CW, it's posts exactly like yours that helped -:- Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:17:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Connie -:- CW, I don't get what your saying, pls explain nt -:- Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 13:54:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- That's just Cat's way of saying 'sorry' -:- Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 16:48:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Connie -:- Oh, thanks for clearing that up Jim, I -:- Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 23:38:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Oh give it up already! -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 03:19:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- FA, did CW post as XXX and a couple of other names -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 19:13:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- CW posted as Victoria Bitter- a beautiful sheboy. -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 02:44:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cw -:- CW posted as Victoria Bitter- a beautiful sheboy. -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 07:59:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- Lone Love Goddess -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 11:11:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cw -:- Lone Love Goddess -:- Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:19:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Thelma -:- Victoria, let us see the nice side of you -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 09:30:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Thelma -:- Your wit might be amusing if were not for -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 05:08:22 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- OOER. -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 11:28:34 (GMT)
__ __ janet -:- you see only what you want to see, Cw--look -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 08:52:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- maharaji himself was so bored -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 22:18:20 (GMT)
__ __ Aussi Ji -:- PS cw.I said they were aspirants. -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 08:45:59 (GMT)
__ __ Aussi Ji -:- Hey man! those are heavy duty comments -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 07:02:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ Thelma the Church Lady -:- Aussie Ji IS Catweasle who is XXX (Oh FA!!!!!!!!!) -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 09:16:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ salam -:- you are thinking too much, might blow a fuse. -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 13:57:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Aussi Ji -:- I am confused, -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 10:17:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Aussi Ji -:- Thelma,was that written with tongue -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 10:44:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Thelma wrote with tongue cheek, Aussie -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 19:09:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Aussi Ji -:- No wucken furries Pat. -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 21:36:57 (GMT)

Pat Conlon -:- Portland registration SNAFU -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:00:17 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- 'Plenty of room in the hall...' (chuckle) nt. -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:17:49 (GMT)
__ Postie -:- Always pushing the technology until it fails -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:26:45 (GMT)
__ __ Aussi Ji -:- Waiting in Miami?Shit yeah. -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:06:06 (GMT)
__ __ __ janet -:- it was waiting in sta monica that made me walk -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 09:30:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ ITMA -:- Thank you Janet -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 15:29:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Aussi Ji -:- Janet.It was worth it -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 10:25:56 (GMT)

Coach -:- EV Phone Home -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 00:28:51 (GMT)
__ Luke Pewk -:- Continuing Synchronization of Participation -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:41:37 (GMT)
__ __ Coach -:- Quite... -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:40:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ Luke Pewk -:- EV as synchronised as a herd of hippos on valium -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:53:23 (GMT)

jumbler -:- ediburgh -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 00:20:26 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- ediburgh -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:08:54 (GMT)
__ __ jumbler -:- no instant enlightenment -:- Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 23:03:04 (GMT)

Francesca -:- eDrek, Jim et al - Band on the Run story inaccurat -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 22:46:08 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- Yeah, figures -- oh well, that's how it goes -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:27:36 (GMT)
__ __ Francesca -:- Tire irons -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 05:21:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ michael donner -:- inaccurate -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 16:37:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Susan -:- interesting -:- Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 15:29:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Francesca Reitano -:- inaccurate -- thanks for posting! -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 18:27:35 (GMT)

la-ex -:- Forum Admin. did you get these? -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 21:15:56 (GMT)

Joe -:- More Tapes from ULF -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 19:45:09 (GMT)
__ Marianne -:- Transcribe the tapes -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 20:01:29 (GMT)

Aussi Ji -:- My song got buried.My Way(His Way) -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 04:59:54 (GMT)
__ Pat Conlon -:- Your song did get buried; glad you dug it up -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 07:24:57 (GMT)
__ Robyn -:- :) You go man! :) (nt) -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 05:44:42 (GMT)
__ __ Postie -:- Good one for the EPO Songbook, Aussi Ji -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 20:49:56 (GMT)

Disculta -:- Our alleged obsession with Maharaji -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 22:06:03 (GMT)
__ Francesca -:- Obsession with clearing up ... -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 06:50:50 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Obsession with a dream of peace and love -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 07:45:56 (GMT)
__ Helen -:- Our alleged obsession with Maharaji -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 22:17:11 (GMT)
__ __ Joy -:- Our alleged obsession with Maharaji -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 07:38:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Joy, you must have been writing this -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 07:50:42 (GMT)

Jean-Michel -:- I'll be in London Sat afternoon -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:25:28 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- Well I know exactly where I'm going... -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 20:08:03 (GMT)
__ Kelly -:- Listen guys, you won't have time for 'fun' -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 21:04:20 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- Meditation will make you go blind (nt) -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 20:30:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ Marianne -:- read yer email, nigel, you honorary scouser! nt -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 20:33:10 (GMT)
__ Marianne -:- What kind of fun do you have in mind? nt -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:53:19 (GMT)
__ JHB -:- So will I! -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:27:48 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- So will I.... -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:33:56 (GMT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- (In a whinny voice) I'm jealous! (NT) -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:17:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- (in a nit-picking voice) NO YOU'RE NOT! -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:49:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- cq: (in a groveling voice) YOU'RE RIGHT -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:12:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- 3 foot of snow? take me to your dealer ... (nt) -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:38:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- cq: (in a groveling voice) YOU'RE RIGHT -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:18:31 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- So will I.... -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 18:30:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ Robyn -:- So will I.... -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:20:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- don't knock it til you've tried it! (nt) -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:36:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Chris, did you get your forums mixed up? -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:51:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- Chris, did you get your forums mixed up? -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:14:40 (GMT)

Maharaji -:- Practising KnowledgeDear -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 16:54:46 (GMT)
__ Rudra -:- Practising KnowledgeDear -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 07:25:53 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Rudra, thanks -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 08:55:52 (GMT)
__ Swami Suchabanana -:- Witnesses say it was YOU on phone r.e.Halley 'hit' -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:06:33 (GMT)
__ Bin Liner -:- Is that really you ? if so fuck off nt -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 00:16:49 (GMT)
__ Adolf of Buenos Aires -:- Agree w/ Herr Rawat-nt -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 21:05:04 (GMT)
__ JohnT -:- J'accuse -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 19:56:29 (GMT)
__ janet in venice -:- you left ME, you spendaholic,sexist drunkard -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 07:09:48 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- I did not leave you. You left ME -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 08:15:58 (GMT)
__ Brian Smith -:- Business has dropped so has to pitch us again (nt) -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 23:24:17 (GMT)
__ Maharaji -:- Providing more understanding -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:56:33 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- thank you for that -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:35:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ Kelly -:- It's you cq and I claim my prize! nt -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 21:12:20 (GMT)
__ Durga Ji -:- I am breaking my silence...Dear Prem -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:43:14 (GMT)
__ Forum Admin -:- German IP Address -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:42:14 (GMT)
__ __ Jerry -:- Oh my Gawd! -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 00:26:42 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- Well there goes my theory...! nt -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:44:09 (GMT)
__ cq -:- 'To me there is nothing like an ex-premie' -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 18:43:04 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- This post not by Rawat but by a premie -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:10:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- Possibly - but how are you so sure? (nt) -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:16:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Also, no known premie IP matches his... -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:27:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Do you know all 5,000 premie IPs? NT -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:30:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- No - but just the regular shit-stirrers (nt) -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:42:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Possibly - but how are you so sure? -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:25:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Hmm..take your point - but... -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:41:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- I guess we'll never know 'Who is Guru Maharaj Ji' -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:45:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Disculta -:- I guess we'll never know 'Who is Guru Maharaj Ji' -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 21:50:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Kelly -:- Satchitanand is one of his favourite words for God -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 22:12:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Satchitanand is the dhyana yoga word for God -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 23:25:57 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- This could almost .................. (nt) -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:03:12 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- I thought the same...am still half-persuaded... -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:32:09 (GMT)
__ __ Jethro -:- Ye....maybe He became an ex.... NT -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:21:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ Postie -:- Not quite enough Mobius Strip logic -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 18:02:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ gErRy -:- Long time no see, kimosabe... -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 18:48:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Gregg -:- and a little bit too articulate for the Speaker NT -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 18:23:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Not so sure... -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 18:30:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- I've emailed them... -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 18:23:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Kelly -:- second thoughts, it's you Nigel and I claim my pri -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 22:21:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ kev -:- Letter to Maharaji???? -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 21:52:26 (GMT)

Jim -:- Good, honest communication (from the heart even!) -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 16:19:45 (GMT)
__ Francesca -:- How recent is this Jim? -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 21:19:00 (GMT)
__ __ Kelly -:- How recent is this ? Very, last week maybe nt -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 22:32:43 (GMT)

Know It All -:- Knowledge is Free -- NOT: beware Aussies -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 14:47:13 (GMT)
__ Aussi Ji -:- premies are becoming beggars ,literally! -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 04:04:19 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- premies are becoming...? -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 00:40:24 (GMT)
__ Pat Conlon -:- 26,000 dollars for the 3 Aussie aspirants? -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:28:26 (GMT)
__ __ Know It All -:- 26,000 dollars for you know who -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:46:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ Connie -:- 26,000 dollars ...... -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 00:46:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Aussi Ji -:- 26,000 dollars ...... -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 04:14:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ salam -:- beats the crap of having an ashram -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 13:50:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ salam -:- last time I heard it was 18,000 dollars -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 00:46:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Aussi Ji -:- Sorry mate.it is 26,000.I got in my mind. -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:46:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Know It All -:- The Aussie PWKs are not stupid, right? -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 19:54:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Cash Cows -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 01:42:36 (GMT)

salam -:- am getting paranoid -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 14:22:34 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Hoi salam. -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:59:11 (GMT)
__ __ salam -:- I thought you went on holiday. -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 00:13:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ sammmam -:- Yes -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 00:59:14 (GMT)
__ salam -:- some bad news for rawat -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 14:33:14 (GMT)

JTF -:- What Marolyn knew and when she knew it !! -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 12:46:14 (GMT)
__ Francesca -:- Whoa! Juju be! -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 01:23:16 (GMT)
__ __ JTF -:- Whoa! Juju be! -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 09:32:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ Francesca -:- Thanks, I'm not alone -- the family and friends .. -:- Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 07:24:55 (GMT)
__ __ D_Thomas -:- Whoa! Juju be! -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 21:46:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ Francesca -:- Thanks n/t -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 05:26:18 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Tammy Faye, Imelda Marcos and Durga Ji -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 02:16:45 (GMT)
__ Mel Bourne -:- What Marolyn knew and when she knew it !! -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 16:27:36 (GMT)
__ __ Aussi Ji -:- G,day mel bourne,I,m near-Syd Nee nt -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 04:21:22 (GMT)
__ __ JTF -:- Was Tammy Fay Baker an innocent victim? -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:45:25 (GMT)
__ __ Susan -:- I agree Mel -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:12:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- I agree Mel -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 11:37:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- Sorry - botched link -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:28:15 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- Hi Mel -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:10:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- Hi Mel -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:17:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Hi Mel -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:31:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- Hi Mel -:- Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:33:22 (GMT)
__ Steve Quint -:- My Reaction To This Pathetic Letter -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 14:00:14 (GMT)
__ __ Disculta -:- My Reaction To This Pathetic Letter -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 15:37:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ Steve Quint -:- My Reaction To This Pathetic Letter -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:04:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ janet -:- pat halley shoulda used a sledgehammer. -:- Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 08:10:00 (GMT)
__ JohnT -:- Tough choices? NOT! -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 13:40:43 (GMT)
__ __ JTF -:- Filth-good word for both-NT -:- Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 21:05:54 (GMT)


Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:03:23 (GMT)
From: Larkin
Email: larkin@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Everyone
Subject: When the roll is called up yonder...
Message:
Four years it’s been here this unquenchable forum
Still home to this vibrant and quarrelsome quorum
So a roll call of honour is timely and apt
If you’re name’s on this list then you’re probably trapped
In a desperate, albeit harmless addiction
That’s brought its fair share of both laughter and friction
To name all you bastards whose yen is to spout
Is a problem - I mean, who the fuck I've left out...?
But I guess there’s no choice but to start with Jim Heller
A somewhat direct and irascible fellah
Whose platinum logic and ironic sneer
Spread fear and revulsion (or mirth and good cheer..?)
Disculta’s delightful, Catweasel deranged
Loaf ji insightful, Tim G strangely strange
There’s hamzen the hippie (a fungi to be with)
And moldy the warpster is cool to take tea with
There’s Abi and Susan whose courage one day
Will see the lard’s scumbag locked safely away
Old Scot’s still the swot full of erudite knowledge
While Nigel writes essays and thinks he’s at college
Way, Gregg and G bring a spiritual slant
While Joe, don’t you know, is a communist plant
There’s CD whose weedy replies spark derision
And Sheepie still racked with profound indecision
While Danny and Turner still smooch the fat feet
The rearguard platoon of a cult in retreat
As Dettmers continues the Mishler tradition
Mel Bourne looks forlorn – must rethink his position
Poor Dep’s in the doghouse (his Master neglectful)
Has started to growl in a tone disrespectful
Gerry and gErRy our Jeckyll and Hyde
Smells a new theory, gets on for the ride ;)
There's Brian, God help him, and Katie, God bless her
And Pauline - my, my - how they'd like to undress her
Especially the good Reverend Hammond-Smyth
(Whose chastity vows are all part of the myth)
AJW won't trouble you - especially when stoned
Whose self-mocking sign-offs are ever well-honed
There was Bjorn (who's well gorn) and there's Bongo and Bazza
Bill Burke and Bin Liner and eDrek I hear has a
Weird fascination for gods with big tits...
(but here's not the place to discuss naughty bits)
There's Jerry and Joy, JHB, Jean-Michel
There's Janet and Jethro and Postie as well
There's Cynthia, Tonette, who else? - let me see...
Well, Helen, Francesca, Brian S. and V.P.
There's Charles S. and Connie and Charlie and Lee
And Kev, Kap and Kelly and fiery SB
There's LA and Stonor and JohnT the rhymer
(While never a premie is now an old-timer)
Marianne is a honey and Robyn endearing
Steve Q is quite funny and Mickey God-fearing
There's Anon and Conlon - that's Patrick and Patrick
Both working their magic (one more for a hat-trick?)
And forget not those stars of the far southern sea
Like Zelda and Sivan and Diz and TD
And bruces like Aussie, Salam, Pete and Bill
While Mili's just silly - the guy makes me ill.
And Cynthia, Carol... don't forget Bobby too
Or Redneck and janet, Selen and cq...
or monmot or Jez and there's Rick and Suzanne
It's way past my bed - done the best that I can..
So who’ve I forgotten? – there surely should be more..
Hey, tell me, just what the hell happened to Seymour?
Or Mike? Are you reading? Sir Dave – in retirement?
Your presence round here is a pressing requirement..
Hey Rob! Hey Miloochie! Big shit going down..
Come join the glad throng when the exes hit town
Coz they’re getting the hump up in fair Malibu
From falling subscriptions for wild amaroo
That bash in the bush for the floundering lord
While in kangaroo valley the Latvian horde
Will be draining the pump in bucolic release..
- poor prem pal rawat a sad ghost at the feast.

(BTW: Dear sadly forgotten significant forum person: If I accidentally left you out tell me and I'll add you a special personalised couplet...)


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Date: Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 17:41:10 (GMT)
From: Elan Vital
Email: None
To: Larkin
Subject: Unsynchronized Lyrics
Message:
Dear Larkin,

We at Elan Vital have taken note of your vicious, anonymous, and unsubstantiated comments on the internet, and again wish to protest the bile with which you attack Maharaji, Elan Vital and the message of Knowledge. Our lawyers at Milbank, Tweed, have also taken note of these comments.

But we at Elan Vital are most upset that Elan Vital was not included as a regular contributor to Forum V, a function Elan Vital performs out of the need to do participation because we are so fulfilled by that understanding of that gift which is that Knowledge.

Elan Vital also wanted to say that we are glad you are having such a good time wasting your lives in the darkest maya ever known in the history of creation, but we hope that one day you will realize the gift you have been given. Elan Vital is also studying ex-premies as a group to better understand how to avoid spreading diamonds before swine in the future.

Nevertheless, if anyone would like to return to doing participation, and the practice of Knowledge, Maharaji has said that is possible, by simply watching videos, purchased new from Visions, every hour of every day for the next 15 years, after which several demonstrations of fawning statements about Maharaji as 'the Master' must be observed by Instructors of Elan Vital.

For your convenience in paying the $43,926 (plus tax and shipping) required to secure the appropriate videos, please note that Elan Vital takes American Express, Visa, Mastercard, Discover, Diners Club, cashiers checks, US Dollars, and, as long as property evaluated by 'Smartvalue,' as subsidiary of Elan Vital, Visions also accepts stock, bonds, stock options, life insurance policies, trust funds, commercial paper, leasehold interests, real property, antiques, artwork, futures contracts, gold, silver, precious stones, Rolex watches, businesses, patents, and food stamps.

Please email us at Elanvital@wearenotacult/wereallyaren't.org, for more information.

In Synchronicity,

ELAN VITAL: NOW HARBORING FEWER PEDOPHILES THAN EVER BEFORE

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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 10:53:56 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Larkin
Subject: Hurray for the Forum!
Message:
Cheers for the Forum!
Cheers for Larkin!
Cheers for all good buddies!

Getting away from those feet of clay
  takes everything you've got.
Sharing the strain with your own good buddies,
  sure would help a lot.
Wouldn't you like to get away?
The time has come to go
Where nobody need know your name,
  yet they're always glad you came.
You wanna be where you can see,
  your troubles are all the same
You wanna be where everybody knows the game.
You wanna go where people know,
  people are all the same,
You wanna go where nobody need know you came.

Remember the tune?

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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 06:50:24 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Larkin
Subject: Oh Lark! you are de Dr. Seuss of de forum!
Message:
Laughing till I'm crying. This is the best medicine!
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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 06:30:07 (GMT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Larkin
Subject: When the roll is called up yonder...
Message:
Thanks Larkin,

Poor Dep’s in the doghouse (his Master neglectful)
Has started to growl in a tone disrespectful

There might be some truth to that, but I still value the experience of Knowledge and on some level I still thank Maharaji for showing it to me. Disrespectful? Not completely.

As I've have mentioned before, I consider myself a better man because of Knowledge, and I'd like to explain that tonight.

It has been my experience that the children of premies are exeptional children. Not just mine, just premie children in general.

Years ago I can recall walking and carrying my numerous daughters in a 'Snugli,' and singing Elvis songs as well as Arti, and meditating (or as they call it these days practicing) and feeling so much love for them, so much love that my heart could burst. I don't think that this would have happened without Knowledge. In fact, without Knowledge I would have probably ended up as one of those 'troubled loners' we've been hearing so much about lately.

What it all boils down to is that I strongly feel that I'm making this world a better place simply by being in it. The law of contrast is definitely working in my favour, but on some deep level I feel I'm making a positive contribution to this world by simply being in it and staying in a meditative/spiritual state. Not just for my kids but with the people I meet each day, at work, in the stores, on the street.

I feel that by being in meditation (yes, in THAT place that has been so ridiculed here) I am bringing positive energy into this world. And that makes it all worth while for me.

Knowledge may not promise you an easy life, but it does promise you a life worth living.

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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 06:38:52 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Deputy
Message:
Like you I value Knowledge and don't hate m. But I think you would be a loving man even without K. Look at Catweasle. He's also got K but he is so cold, cruel and mean-spirited. I have known a few naty premies. Each premie founde inside themselves what they wanted. You wanted love and found it. Me too and I also found it. But what about those who are just looking to be ''detached'' or ''realize'' something selfish. That's what they find too. You are the warm and wonderful man not Mr Rawat.
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 23:07:37 (GMT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Larkin
Subject: How about
Message:
Jondon and Daneane, who have joined our cause enthusiastically, having never been premies.

Where's Rob been? He never signed off, that I saw.

Your title reminds me that there has been one death here. I believe that Father Love, who posted a journey entry, has since died. I don't know his real name or circumstances, but somebody posted it.

Janice Wilson might deserve a mention. She is famous here, and probably doesn't even know it.

There are now three former PAM's named Michael. What ryhmes with Finch? pinch?

Yves is still quite active on the French Forum.

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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 00:20:22 (GMT)
From: Postie
Email: None
To: Larkin
Subject: Also
Message:
Hizzoner Mike Donner

Unflappable Mark Appleman

That overwhelma' Thelma - the Thunder Stealing Bitch

That icky sicky Dickie Pwickie

Without rebuke Luke Pewk

Sychronistically vital Elan Vital

Just the facts Blue Max

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 21:45:27 (GMT)
From: Bobby
Email: None
To: Larkin
Subject: When the roll is called up yonder...
Message:
Anybody interested in putting a picture of themselves up?

How about a picture taken in recent years, plus a picture taken from old premie days, like '70's or '80's.

If a few at least are interested, I'd be willing to put up a little website to handle that. Kind of like Sir David's 'world-wide linkup' for premies, current and ex.

How about it?

Here's a pic of me taken last year

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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 05:01:33 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Bobby
Subject: Good idea Bobby. Here's my pic.
Message:
Here's a pic of me.

Pat Conlon

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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 03:34:59 (GMT)
From: pixels
Email: None
To: Bobby
Subject: Aint no address!..nt
Message:
cfnmm
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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 06:01:28 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: bobby
Subject: hey cutie (bobby I mean)
Message:
Wanna ride around on my cage wheel? oh wait that hamsters.
I am not a hamster. not rich enough.

uh, wanna run around in my maze looking for feel good drugs?

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 21:14:35 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Larkin
Subject: eat your heart out hamster
Message:
ah, but who is 2 in one and who is not real at all?
Selen, hmmm. seems appropriate given my typos but hey wanna see what I look like after my laser last year?
Selene
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 14:13:15 (GMT)
From: Sandy
Email: None
To: Larkin
Subject: Let's not forget Larkin
Message:
Let's not forget Larkin
That witty old poet
Whose words cut like steel
I am one who should know it

His gift of the language
Is formidable sure
His visions will give you
One hell of a tour

Just one thing, ol' buddy
In lieu of precision
You said that I'm racked
With profound indecision

That's not the true story
If truth is your fare
I'm not undecided -
Just not in your lair

I'm certain that Knowledge
Is something substantial
Maharaji has more than
Just interests financial

I'm also quite sure
Much old baggage he's got
The toll for becoming
A quite human sot

I'm totally clear
That he's not what I thought
And his organizations
With problems are frought

I'm very decided
An angel he's not
I'm also convinced
That K's more than just snot.

I'm very decided
That Knowledge is key
And very decided
That I'm also free

Your poetic license
Has with it a clause
That you should take care
And to always take pause

To craft your words carefully
Taking your time
Not just as convenience
To get in a rhyme

A crow can perch idly
And caw at the moon
But tell me dear Larkin
Can you hum its tune?

Sandy

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Date: Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 14:02:58 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Sandy
Subject: Name two, Sandy?
Message:
Sandy:
Maharaji has more than
Just interests financial

Good to see you taking to verse, Sandy, but come on now! What is the Ratguru interested in, apart from himself and his filthy lucre?

He's less than you think, Sandy. The Good News is this means...

 


 


YOU are more than you think


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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:13:41 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Larkin
Subject: I had no idea there were so many.
Message:
G,day Larkin,
I read the list with baited holy breath,hoping I would not be left off the list.Cheers mate.

Aussi Ji(On the list bound for the universe of rotting vegies)

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:08:40 (GMT)
From: TED Farkel
Email: None
To: Larkin
Subject: would've been nice to mention the TRAC......
Message:
humbly, TED Farkel...

Nice rhyming there,son...

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:20:02 (GMT)
From: larkin
Email: None
To: TED Farkel
Subject: would've been nice to mention the TRAC......
Message:
Oh fuck, I fergit that ol' asshole Ted Farkel
Whose way with a plough makes a farm gal's eyes sparkle...
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 21:23:12 (GMT)
From: TED Farkel
Email: None
To: larkin
Subject: Thank you,much obliged.Mr. Larkin...nt.
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 18:33:22 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: larkin
Subject: did I miss something? that's ok,am ineffable fella
Message:
Hark, hark, the Lark:

Thanks for reminding, there still was an ego
-- like feeling left out, this mangy old beagle.

So, I just take baragon, go back to my cave,
and meditate some more, 'til this mind it behave.

I am just a poor yogi, no need for acclaim,
but for you would be nice, just 'Remember the Name.'

Peace and lentils,

da lil' swami

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 08:24:55 (GMT)
From: janet of venice
Email: None
To: larkin
Subject: i hate to be lost--am i janet or Janet?
Message:
one craves recognition, if one's here on the Planet
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 09:25:09 (GMT)
From: Thelma
Email: None
To: janet of venice
Subject: Don't get your tits in a tangle, jai choix
Message:
or is it petite choux fleur (sp)? He didn't even mention me. But isn't it a fine roll-call, full of wonderful names from every corner of the world? Aren't the exes the most interesting people?

Larkin, thanks lots for your lovely song.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 13:46:31 (GMT)
From: bill--It's 'petite' even
Email: None
To: Thelma
Subject: though she lives in Implantwood, Cal.....nt
Message:
uiolyr
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:51:48 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Aspirant figures in Aus,and trouble in paradise
Message:
G,Day All,

These are the latest Aspirant figures in Australia.There is a total of 329 interested people. Of these there are 162 who are regular video watchers.of these 162 there are 126 who have been attending for more than 5 months.There will be 100 Aspirants asking for knowledge before the Amaroo event.

But there is trouble in paradise.Apparently Aussies are not at all happy with (a) the high cost of the Amaroo event regisration,and (b) having to put their credit card details on the net and then sending them to Elan Vital headquarters in the states.As a result of these concerns and the fact that a lot of premies just cannot afford the registration(especially married couples etc)people are holding off paying.Elan Vital is now going to have another conference call to sort out this dilemma.

I would'nt be surprised if the whole thing isn't cancelled.I am sure any money that has already been received by Elan Vital will be refunded back to the premies.Can I hear the sound of laughter across the ex-premie universe?

Cheers Aussi Ji.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:31:46 (GMT)
From: Cw
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: Aussie Ji - Had to be a Kiwi!
Message:
You are very sure of your facts Aussie Ji.But perhaps you may be reading them very selectively. [veiled threat removed by FA]
As for your interpretation of what you have been told ,you apply plenty of license.
Only 329 interested people? Who are you kidding ? Where do you live?Out the back of nowhere? Perhaps that might be the number of aspirants?Total?
Let me put it to you plain. You dont speak for the majority of Aussies. Most of us are keen for Amaroo to happen.We are working on making it happen.If the numbers need fine tuning to get it right for our shithouse economy we'll do it- co-operatively. If things need changing, then we'll change them co-operatively.
Keep your negative bullshit.I notice you haven't spouted about what has been done out there in the last 8 months. So remember Aussie Ji you happen to live in a very small pond. [veiled threat removed by FA] You hired a function centre in OZ lately? Why the big deal about the KS figure. Did you tell em here that it is travelling all over OZ?Of course not.You like these wallys so much why not emmigrate- they'll sooon spit you out like yesterday's soup. Ask Oliver,Selene, Sandy,Runamok et al et al .
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 19:30:55 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Cw
Subject: huh?
Message:
ask me ? ask me nothing. I know nothing. Ask Jim he'll tell you so.
And quite frankly I do NOT, I repeat NOT NOT NOT give a shit about M right now.
He's on a decline and that is all that matters to me.
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:52:43 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Cw
Subject: FA -- THE CAT'S PUKING AGAIN -- can u toss him?
Message:
I read this as a pretty obvious effort to intimdate Aussie Ji. That's 'intimidate' as in threaten to kick his ass if his identity's ever known. Now of course that's just Catweasel being his typical idiotic self bvut still, Aussie Ji shouldn't have to put up with it.
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 17:23:37 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: FA -- I agree -- toss him, please
Message:
Attempts to intimidate should not be tolerated, not that this pathetic attempt worked.

Puking cat, fuck off. Your words betray you, they show that you are not in 'that peace, that love'.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 14:42:26 (GMT)
From: Cw
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: FA -- THE CAT'S PUKING AGAIN -- can u toss him?
Message:
No threat-just the truth. You have a problem with that Jimbo.
As for the rest of it, well it allspeaks for itself. Roll on April. I'm looking forward to a great time. If you dont like it ...simple...Fuck off...Or is that to obtuse for a brilliant mind like you ?
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 15:00:39 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Cw
Subject: FA -- THE CAT'S PUKING AGAIN -- can u toss him?
Message:
You should stick to sneering, Cat, because every time you try to explain something you come across as an idiot. To say 'no threat, just the truth' is to suggest that the two are mutually inconsistent somehow. No why would you say that? The fact is that you're trying to intimidate AJ, implying that he'd be foolhardy to risk detection as who he really is if he's in or around your cult community. That's a threat and should be enough to get you tossed out of here. I don't know why you keep coming back -- why the FA's keep letting you come back -- beside the obvious entertainment value an asshole like you provides.

What's really, really funny, though, is the idea of you having a 'great time' with the Lord of the Universe, all clapping and singing and everything. Especially in light of your surly, creep personality here. What? You drop all this and pretend to be a Happy Clapper when you go see your cult leader?

You're fucked up, dude. Ask your mother. She'll tell you, if she hsan't already.

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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 02:33:51 (GMT)
From: CW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: THE CAT'S accurate AGAIN -- Jims tossing him?
Message:
What was that you just punched in my face you aggressive neandrathal.Any-one can be a 'happy clapper' as you describe it.
(Me , I've never been one of your smiley North American stereotypes!)But Jim YOU were once, so FUCK IT ,anything is possible!
You have a very difficult time understanding the English language MR Testosterone. (Unless you have bent it to suit your own interpretation -more often than notthe case). My point to Aussie Ji was not a threat , it was stating the obvious and Mr/Ms Ji will understand the pertinence of it if they take the time to consider what it was I said , and does not get hung up with the hysterical responses.
You of all people should be well aware of the consequences of both misrepresentation and Misinformation based on malicious intent - oh , I forgot that's Civil ;You only do pedophiles.
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Date: Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 08:55:06 (GMT)
From: Connie
Email: None
To: CW
Subject: CW, it's posts exactly like yours that helped
Message:
me see it was nothing but a cult, based on control, belittling, intimidation and fear.

What you write, I recognize so well, IN MYSELF. Having heard and been a part of the same 'damage control' tactics for almost 28 years it is easy to see.

I don't understand your implication re AJ's statements, they are facts, not malicious or a misrepresentation.

Nor do I understand your repeated posts that everything here is just bitter, twisted, deluded, non substantiated gossip. When I first really read here, much of what I read was not new to me, having witnessed some of it myself.

With the factual posts of Michael Dettmers, and now Michael Donner, adding more credibility and information, how can this be thought of as just some bitter guy blowing his own trumpet? What rings loud from these posts is the almost non emotive writing style, which can potentially bring things into a much sharper focus.

When I first started reading here, I noticed that anytime something of a factual nature was brought up, numerous nasty posts from a few cult members would detract from the original thread. I wondered why this happened and felt such a sadness and shame that people who had knowledge would behave in such a way. Especially towards victims of real abuse.

When I read some of the posts, I was touched by these so called 'ex-premies' courage and humility, but not once did I see this in the 'premies' posts. What came across from them was such a callous, mean, cruel, arrogant attitude. With all that, what place for humility?

I had a picture in my head, of those premie posters typing and posting their patronizing, snarling abuse on FV, then going to a video event, smiling and being kind to the FEW new aspirants, being a shining example of knowledge at work in real life.

I know if at an event, any of the rank and file attending, do something illegal, eg stealing, the brief is to call the police and hand the matter over to them. Some of the allegations here are of a criminal nature, and I don't understand the seeming contradiction applied.

To me ALL human beings should be accountable for their actions. Just as they ALL equally deserve respect, until and if that respect is torn apart by SOMEONE'S OWN ACTIONS AND BEHAVIOUR.

I sincerely hope you read this in the spirit in which it is intended.

C

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Date: Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:17:40 (GMT)
From: CW
Email: None
To: Connie
Subject: CW, it's posts exactly like yours that helped
Message:
Hullo? What the.... Never ever read Enid Blyton ;you'll die of fright!
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Date: Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 13:54:07 (GMT)
From: Connie
Email: None
To: CW
Subject: CW, I don't get what your saying, pls explain nt
Message:
huh
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Date: Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 16:48:43 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Connie
Subject: That's just Cat's way of saying 'sorry'
Message:
He can't do any better. Your post couldn't have been clearer. That juxtaposition of someone acting like a creep as purr Cat here and then turning around and getting all sugary for cult newcomers is very, very rich. Good one. Too bad Cat wasn't up for a little converstaion this morning. Must be those damn hairballs!

If he had real ones this wouldn't happen.

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Date: Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 23:38:47 (GMT)
From: Connie
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Oh, thanks for clearing that up Jim, I
Message:
thought he might be referring to fictional works, you know

'The Famous Five', kids off on an adventure to right an injustice, or

'Noddy'. Was trying to work out weather he was referring to the toy world of Noddy, Big Ears, Mr Plod et al, and how that related to what I posted.

Or weather he was reaching out a brotherly hand, subtley helping me to see I was stupid.

Gee he doesn't need to do that, I have recently become very aware of my gullible stupidity for the last few decades!

C

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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 03:19:21 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: CW
Subject: Oh give it up already!
Message:
Come on, Cat, you were trying to intimidate AJ. Whether or not it's true that -- oh, shit, the FA removed it! I was going to quote your obvious, albeit veiled, threat.

Hey, Cat, I feel for you, bud. It must be hard, huh? But maybe this guru thing's just a big hassle anyway. Try another hobby, perhaps.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 19:13:04 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: FA, did CW post as XXX and a couple of other names
Message:
last month making cruel comments to Thelma? Please out the asshole and let him know multiple aliases are cowardly. Or better just block him. His Pewkie puke stinks.
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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 02:44:31 (GMT)
From: CW
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: CW posted as Victoria Bitter- a beautiful sheboy.
Message:
Look you sassy old fool,I'm not the least bit interested in you or your politics. To me you put a whole new perspective on 'Drama Queen' Victoria Bitter leaves you for dead. She's young attractive and in control. No snivelling and old lady tattle taling for her. Because she's still beautiful. With never more than 4.5% alchohol in her being.Go and drown in your pink Gin you sad old hag. Dusty Springfield would throw up in her grave if she saw you !! UGHHHHHHHHHHH
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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 07:59:16 (GMT)
From: Cw
Email: Victoria Bitter- Lone Love Goddess
To: CW
Subject: CW posted as Victoria Bitter- a beautiful sheboy.
Message:
You wish . Too old ;Too ugly;Too fuckin bad. Crawl back into your lonely bedsit and try and remember a time when you had some toning....
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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 11:11:26 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Cw
Subject: Lone Love Goddess
Message:
Cw: Victoria Bitter- Lone Love Goddess

So whadya saying bud? That you are a head wanker? A lonely, fooled and hurting chakra whacka?

HA!

JohnT
- never a premie

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Date: Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:19:46 (GMT)
From: cw
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Lone Love Goddess
Message:
Oh my, another kind sweet man......
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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 09:30:38 (GMT)
From: Thelma
Email: thunderstealing@hotmail.com
To: Cw
Subject: Victoria, let us see the nice side of you
Message:
You can't always be bitter or weasel-like. You'll shrivel up like an old prune. Your ''toned'' bod will be all wrinkled and liver-spotted from all the Oz sun, your face will look like Dorian Grey's at the end of the story and your heart will dry out and die.

So how about showing us your nice side for a change? Tell us who you really are deep down inside - in that special place that you call the heart. That place that Knowledge shows us which is so perfect it could almost be, yes, the word is TRUTH. How about speaking some TRUTH for a change and post under your real name.

You have got to be kidding everybody here especially Jim with your antics. You're probably a real pussycat in real life and are having a ball pulling Mr Hellers's leg and behaving like an obnoxious brat by abusing internet anonymity and the cover it affords for using ugly, repellent and deceitful words.

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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 05:08:22 (GMT)
From: Thelma
Email: None
To: CW
Subject: Your wit might be amusing if were not for
Message:
the underlying wounded nerdiness, fear-biter cruelty, irresponsible viciousness and understandable paranoia.
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 11:28:34 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Cw
Subject: OOER.
Message:
Hi there,

How's the family?

Cat', you've got to admit it, things are looking pretty grim for the cult nowadays. And there's more to come.

And as regards your funny comments about the spotlight coming on Aussie-Ji- what's that all about? Narrowing down his real identity- yes, he's obviously an ex- who knows a premie.

So, how's it looking Cat'? Is the cultfest going to be cancelled and nobody will get their money back?

That's going to do a lot to encourage people to register for the next one isn't it?

I guess it's all a big lila eh Cat? Either that or we're right and Captain Rawat is no more divine than Michael Jackson.

take it easy, say hello to everyone.

Your old pal Anth

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 08:52:06 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Cw
Subject: you see only what you want to see, Cw--look
Message:
at the bigger world. you are where i was a couple of years ago. your world and your range of contact is tiny! you are still hyping yourself, and all your surrounding friends are, too, trying to keep an illusion going that is never going to happen.
i was there at alexandra palace in 73. it was a dud. i marched down 5th avenue on father's day in new york city in a parade. it was a dud. i was at millennium in houston. it was a dud. i was there in denver for the wedding. for the premies, it was a dud. i was at IHQ. I was there for the birth of DUO. it was a dud. i was there for the workshops. it was a dud. i was in Miami. I went to DECA. it was a dud. there were blueprints for a spacecraft. it was a dud.

are you getting the drift, yet?

I have a friend who has been waiting for Knowledge since 1991. It will be ten years, this august. I took him to see Maharaji every year. He meditated alongside me. But he couldn't get off on the video events. you guessed it. it was a dud. when i tried to go, i couldnt get anything from it either. it was a dud.
i was present at the first global live satellite broadcast in pasadena. it was a dud.
and i was present at the first unveiling of the new DVD autoknowledge presentation in santa monica, last year. it was a dud.

how much of a dud was it?????
maharaji himself was so bored with it all, he left.

coincidentally, that day, so did I.
havent been back since.
FACE IT, Cw: THE WHOLE DEAL IS DEAD. BEYOND RESUSCITATION. MAHARAJI HIMSELF DOESNT EVEN CARE ANYMORE. HE'S LEFT A MACHINE TO TAKE HIS PLACE. UNDERSTAND?? HE'S LEFT THE BUILDING. HE VACATED THE CONTRACT.YOU CAN STOP WITH THE PADDLES AND THE CPR NOW. ITS BEEN FLATLINE, HALF PAST WHEN THE TIME OF DEATH SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED. SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS. AND WAKE UP. TAKE YOUR LIFE BACK AND START EXERCISING IT. IT'S GONNA WITHER AWAY FROM NEGLECT AND LACK OF USE, IF YOU DON'T. THIS ISNT A LIFE. IT'S A GROUP PRETENSE. IT'S A FALSE HOPE. ITS A FAKE FUTURE. IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. IT WAS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. WE JACKED OURSELVES UP AND HYPED OURSELVES ON MAKE-BELIEVE.
IT IS A D U D.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 22:18:20 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: maharaji himself was so bored
Message:
'and i was present at the first unveiling of the new DVD autoknowledge presentation in santa monica, last year. it was a dud.

how much of a dud was it?????
maharaji himself was so bored with it all, he left.'

Good wording.

Indeed he did leave, he wouldn't even stick around for the presentation. Maybe he wanted to do something more enjoyable to him than hanging out with his victims.

In the video itself, maharaji looked like he was suffering from a hangover and looked totally not into it. There was no light in his eyes, he looked lifeless. Almost all the video consisted of four still frames of him doing the techniques. Apparently he wouldn't or couldn't meditate himself for the length of time he was telling other people to meditate for. He sounded very authoritarian in the video. The main thing that he stressed, that he demanded, is that we shouldn't show anyone the techniques, because 'It's not yours to show (or give)', as if it belongs to him. Yea right. He didn't invent them, he doesn't hold any patent on them. It's like someone saying they own a hamstring stretch.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 08:45:59 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Cw
Subject: PS cw.I said they were aspirants.
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 07:02:13 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Cw
Subject: Hey man! those are heavy duty comments
Message:
G,day Cw,
Listen mate,if my identity does eventually get found out,So FUCKING WHAT?I have a good reason for keeping it at the moment and if it wasn't for that,I would'nt give a shit about revealing it at all.I don't have anyone to be afraid of anymore.Your heavy duty vibe is like water on a ducks back pal.
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 09:16:52 (GMT)
From: Thelma the Church Lady
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: Aussie Ji IS Catweasle who is XXX (Oh FA!!!!!!!!!)
Message:
Aussie Ji, you are so clever. I would never have thought of it. No premie could really be as nasty and threatening and paranoid and creepy as Catweasle. So I figured you invented him just as TED Farkel was invented by...I won't say.

Most of us know a Pewkie or two and we know that they are really basically nice warm people who really try to be loving and kind. So you went and invented a cold vicious frightened sado-masochistic fear-biter like Catweasle just to make us nice kind church ladies feel embarassed because you know that an ugly cruel Pewkie like Catweasle will make us squirm.

I must say that I do have conflicts about this because I know you are a snookie, Aussia Bai, and yet I suspect that Catweasle once masqueraded as XXX (was it FA?) who called me a hydra-headed monster and told me I was a sad fucking fag who ought to stick her head up her ass? And I know you wouldn't say anything as cruel as that.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 13:57:03 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Thelma the Church Lady
Subject: you are thinking too much, might blow a fuse.
Message:
Aussi ji is not CW.
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 10:17:38 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Thelma the Church Lady
Subject: I am confused,
Message:
G'day Thelma,
I am confused.I thought you were Pat Conlon?I am confused about your post.I do not understand your meaning.could you explain.Do you think I am masquerading as Cw?

Cheers from a very confused Aussi Ji

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 10:44:24 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Thelma
Subject: Thelma,was that written with tongue
Message:
in your......Cheek..The one on your face I mean?I read your post again a few times and thought maybe you were being facetious.

Cheers Aussi Ji(one personality only)

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 19:09:30 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: Thelma wrote with tongue cheek, Aussie
Message:
Sorry about that. I meant to email you and tell you was making a joke but it was late last night and I forgot. I know I was dripping with sarcasm at the time and had concerns that my joke would not be understood.
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 21:36:57 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: No wucken furries Pat.
Message:
G'day Pat,
no worries at all Pat me old mate.Us grandpa's are extremely understanding in our old age.

Cheers AJ

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:00:17 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Portland registration SNAFU
Message:
The Portland registration system is having technical difficulties.

Here is the story:

Web registration - The person who was designing the
web-based system had a major computer crash Sunday!
Another programmer has been working on it since then.
Hopefully it will be operational soon, but no estimate on when.

Phone registration - Also having technical difficulty. If you have not been able to register successfully, call the line
(877-270-5304) a little later. The system is working, but
sometimes is down.

There is plenty of room in the hall.

Seats will be assigned randomly at the hall on the 18th.

Thank you for your patience.

Sincerely,
Steve Rush
North American Communication Contact

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:17:49 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: 'Plenty of room in the hall...' (chuckle) nt.
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:26:45 (GMT)
From: Postie
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Always pushing the technology until it fails
Message:
Does anyone, hmmm actually everyone remember waiting for hours outside the Miami Beach Convention Center in the broiling sun because the 'hall wasn't ready'? And this isn't something just in the past. The last regional event I went to where Maharaji attended, I got stuck in a stairwell with many other attendees for 45 minutes after the doors were scheduled to open. And this was a PUBLIC event.

Does everyone recall receiving 'Exciting Program Information' in the mail AFTER you got home from a program?

How many have dialed the 'Elan Vital Registration Line' for 2 hours, 4 hours, 6 hours straight just to give them your 'registration fee' via credit card AFTER having filled out and faxed a 'Pre-Registration' form? (Once I had 3 phones going on speed re-dial for at least 4 hours just to get through.)

My point isn't how stupid I was for doing that. My point is, and pardon my yelling:

THESE PROGRAM LOGISTICS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SCREWED UP BECAUSE PEOPLE SERVING MAHARAJI ALWAYS TRY TO DO MORE THAN THEY ARE CAPABLE OF.

Instead of using a system and (pardon the expression) mastering that tried and true system, there is always a tendency to make it cooler, techier, sexier because they think that's what He wants. Or maybe He asks for it that way. In either case it's the Peter Principle in spades: 'Rise to Your Level of Incompetence'.

Can you say Anal Retentive?

Postie

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:06:06 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Postie
Subject: Waiting in Miami?Shit yeah.
Message:
G,day Postie,
I remember waiting in Miami,Copenhagen,Sydney ,Brisbane,but not Amaroo.They seem to have got it a bit more together by that stage.But I don't know how many times I waited for Guruguts to come out onto the stage.Sometimes it was for fucking hours and you had to listen to boring satsang about how 'we all have to really start practising this knowledge or we're all doomed ectBut I don't have to do that anymore.Thank Christ!

Cheers Aussi Ji

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 09:30:11 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: it was waiting in sta monica that made me walk
Message:
away for the last time. i got there at 8 am and there were no chairs or benches anywhere for blocks. only the service staff had chairs-scores of them-to sit on and run around from. we were kept waiting for hours and hours because 'the hall was't ready'. my back seized up. i was in agony. still no chair could be found for me because 'i wasnt on the list for special needs people'. i snuck into an empty cubicle and unfolded an unused chair i found there. an officious type hustled in and pulled it out from under me and sniped 'those are for the press' [ of which there were none and none were interested in coming].
i appeasingly promised to yeild up the chair on a moment's notice, should any press member appear and need the seat. I was in obvious pain. The suit gripped the chairback and tipped it forward to spill me out of my seat, folded up the chair and tucked it behind an empty table, and ordered me out of the cubicle.
At that point, i had not yet ex'ed. That turning point was still several hours to come. I was bewildered, astounded, insulted, offended, dazed and in pain...but still willing to try to be there.
Looking back, if that scene were to happen to me again today at the hands of EV, i would put that haughty snot's lights out at once, and render them into such a condition as to require that they miss the event and need a trip to the hospital, just as surely as they would have ejected me and had me arrested for acting on my wrath at such treatment.

i hope they suffocate under the weight of their own shitheadedness. every fuckup they make is just another drip...drip...drip..slowly repelling and destroying another individual's loyalty. may it increase astronomically. it hastens the end.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 15:29:03 (GMT)
From: ITMA
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Thank you Janet
Message:
It's all here.
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 10:25:56 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Janet.It was worth it
Message:
would'nt you say now.You're out and free to do whatever you damwell like.I will look back fondly at the things that made me finally take the plunge and leave.I reckon those things will stay fondly in my mind forever.

Cheers Aussi Ji

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 00:28:51 (GMT)
From: Coach
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: EV Phone Home
Message:
A veritable blizzard of announcements mask the fact that there's really about as much enthusiasm for Maharaji and knowledge as there is to be found amongst the crowd at a Notts Forest home game.
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Elan Vital UK Email Announcement - http://www.elanvital.org.uk

Dear List Member,

We hope you will enjoy reading the monthly update below compiled by the Elan Vital National team.
If you do not wish to receive these updates in future please email us at mailinglist@elanvital.org.uk. There is no need to unsubscribe.
We will continue to send you other mailings, such as event announcements.

All the best

UK Web Team


UK MONTHLY REPORT - FEBRUARY 2001 01.03.01

PROPAGATION

Updates:
- Two Knowledge Sessions (formerly known as Auto Knowledge Sessions) are scheduled for March
- The first Knowledge Introduction Training was held in London in
February. A second Knowledge Introduction Training will take place in Leeds on 3&4 March, with a proposal submitted for another in Southampton
on 31 March & 1 April.
- The instructor and propagation teams are actively working towards development of a UK Propagation strategy in conjunction with UK Area teams
- Raja Ji will be touring the UK in late March: Events are being finalised and it is hoped will include: Bristol, London, Midlands, Manchester.
- Hindi and Tamil events are being held for people with Knowledge and introductory events planned, with the support of Instructor Dayal Anand, who is currently touring.

New projects and initiatives:
- Discover for Yourself, a distance learning package for those coming to Knowledge, will be launched in the UK in March
- Phase 1 on an Interactive Information Line is scheduled to be launched in mid March This national telephone service will provide information as well as offering a facility to leave messages to deal with any enquiries
- A Post Knowledge Care team is now in place, with packs in preparation to hand to those receiving Knowledge at forthcoming Knowledge Sessions
- A Propagation Day is planned in London on 17.3 as a follow up to the recent Knowledge Introduction Training
- Propagation plan for Scotland to be discussed at a meeting on 10.3
- Disability Awareness Days are taking place around the country and are being well received
- Norma Wilshaw, as acting National Contact, is currently meeting with people with Knowledge and teams in the UK to listen to concerns or complaints about the organisation

Future plans:
- Special Post Knowledge Care events are planned which will give
information on events, materials and participation opportunities
- The Aspirant team is working towards the goal of local Knowledge sessions

EVENTS

- Venue research is being undertaken for a proposal for 3 UK events with M in the summer
- Three UK locations are broadcasting the Hindi satellite channel, two of which provide regular live translation into Hindi
- Three smaller Hindi communities have arranged informal in-house
broadcast events
- There has been an enthusiastic response to an initial effort to identify people to support the European Event Team to put on a Hindi Event

ORGANISATION, TEAMS AND SUPPORT SERVICES

Updates:
- The National Contact role is to be renamed National Propagation Contact to ensure that efforts focus on this all-important area. To encourage more applicants, this position is shortly to be advertised. Further applications for this role will be welcome. Meanwhile Norma Wilshaw continues as caretaker of the role
- The UK synch team is now operational and currently comprises the National Contact, Finance/Resources Contact, Propagation Support Contact, an Instructor, and Events Area representative. Their role is to ensure that a strategic propagation plan is in place for the country, to take a strategic overview of ctivities in the UK Areas, synchronise activity in the country, and to act as a communications channel with Europe and globally. Legal, PR and Participation (human resource) teams are also represented as support services. Once the new Areas are in place a representative from the team of Area Managers will be invited onto the UK sync team.
- The Participation team, together with other national team members, are commencing interviews for National Introductory Contact, seven UK Area Managers, IT Manager and Web-site Manager
- All roles are advertised widely and anyone with relevant skills is invited to apply
- The National Propagation Contact and Materials Manager roles are to be clarified and re-advertised shortly
- The Post Knowledge Care and Aspirant Manager roles will be re-advertised in due course. Meanwhile, these teams are functioning well regardless of the vacancies
- The UK Hindi/Tamil synch team has completed its own performance
evaluation for 2000 and will conduct a further self evaluation in March

New projects/initiatives:
- Representatives of the UK sync team will tour the UK in March/April in order to encourage people with Knowledge to take responsibility for propagation, and to ensure that all are behind the propagation plan for the UK, to communicate information on tools available to support propagation, encourage more home viewers for the broadcast and to inspire
new Areas to build teams,

Future plans:
- A small team are reviewing communications in the UK and will develop proposals for improvement through rationalisation and development of existing channels, plus establishment of necessary resources to manage this. As part of its remit the team will also look at ways to give information to home viewers and those who do not attend local events.
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yawn,

Coach


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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:41:37 (GMT)
From: Luke Pewk
Email: None
To: Coach
Subject: Continuing Synchronization of Participation
Message:
As Regional Propagation Nexus Team Contact for the Pacific Northwest, I have been authorized to announce the following exciting developments in the area of Synchronized Participation and Sterilized Propagation.

1) The new neutral, non-threatening, shrink-wrapped, sterile Propagation Package, ''Discover for Yourself,'' is being strategified as a distance learning package for those coming to Knowledge. Hopefully this will circumvent any need for anybody actually to say anything about Knowledge and therefore prevent any serious misunderstandings about what it actually is and also preclude any legal repercussions.

2) A Post Knowledge Care team is now in place, with ice-packs and smelling salts in preparation for those new PWKs who may find it difficult to understand why they had to watch videos for five months in order to be shown four techniques which may be strategically revealable in 5 minutes.

3) The synch team is now operational and currently comprises the National Contact HIgh Contact, the Finance/Resources Finagling Contact, Propagation Scrotal Support Contact, an Instructor, and Events Area diarrhea representative. Their role (operating in synchronization assures that the many are combined into one role) is to ensure that a strategic propaganda plan is in place for the country, to take a sarcastic I mean strategic overview of activities in the Areas, synchronise activity in the country, and to act as a communications channel globally. Scintillate, scintillate globule vivific. Fain would I know of the nature specific; loftily poised in the ether capacious, strongly resembling flatulence carbonaceous.

4) Legal, PR, (Spin Doctors, Revisionists) and Participation (human waste management resource) teams are also represented as scrotal and mammary gland support services.

Future plans:
- A small team are reviewing and re-inventing communications and will develop and otherwise obfuscate proposals for improvement through rationalisation, strategefication, synchronization and development of existing pornography and geography channels, plus establishment of necessary resources to manage, facilitate and otherwise complicate this. As part of its remit the team will also look at ways to give information to home viewers and those who do not attend local events and to see if we can get them to pay for something which they known they can get for nothing.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:40:19 (GMT)
From: Coach
Email: None
To: Luke Pewk
Subject: Quite...
Message:
Not too far off the mark. The ancient's had a phrase for EV's efforts. 'Pissing into the wind.' They're about as synchronised as a herd of hippos on valium.

I reckon we could settle this thing once and for all. The EPO Tag Wrestling Team versus The EV UK Synch Team. Who's up for the EPO?

Coach

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:53:23 (GMT)
From: Luke Pewk
Email: None
To: Coach
Subject: EV as synchronised as a herd of hippos on valium
Message:
I take exception to that remark. I do realize in the interests of honesty that most thoroughly modern Pewkies are actually reconstructed hippies on valium and prozac and zoloft and demerol and aromatherapy but at least we are doing something meaningful with our lives trying to help Maharaji spread himself all over the world.

I realize that you cynics think that means that we are trying to fatten him up enough so that his lotus bottom will cover all countries but let me assure that that is NOT what we mean.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 00:20:26 (GMT)
From: jumbler
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: ediburgh
Message:
i'm new to all this techie stuff so please excuse my lack of eitquette!
i thought i was the only one to crack up after leaving an ashram, but it seems like lots of premies freaked for a while after realising they'd been culted!
o.k so it wasn't nirvana on offer after all, but we made our own choices & all saw the light, or so we said. he lied but so did we, didn't we?
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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 02:08:54 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: jumbler
Subject: ediburgh
Message:
Wellcome, jumbler. We all know Mahariji lied, but I didn't lie to anyone. Did you? I reported His Truth to others as accepted on trust - I don't call that lying.

For me, lying must be deliberate. Tell us more about yourself, please.

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Date: Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 23:03:04 (GMT)
From: jumbler
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: no instant enlightenment
Message:
lies dam lies & satsang, sorry
i was in edinburgh ashram about '72 '73 went to Houston & all that stuff, & i really dedicated my life to m & DLM. lots of the time it was great but lots of the shit we went through, the way we were treated, in the ashram etc. was BAD.
in retrospect i think (i'm allowed to do that these days!) i was conned into believing the only way to find happiness was to give up my friends my possesions & fall at his feet. this was false then he& DLM new it, & it's false today.
sure meditation is a good thing, but m's way isn't the only way, & we should have have been taught balance & been encouraged to live in the world around us.
i'm o.k now but man i was damaged during that time.
ho hum it's a funny old world
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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 22:46:08 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: eDrek, Jim et al - Band on the Run story inaccurat
Message:
I just read some threads on eDrek's site re Bhole Ji's band during the Holy Family wars. There are also some parts of a Journey from the forum, written by someone who claims to have known some of the band members. I was in Bhole Ji's band during that entire period post-Millenium (until the band was no more).

I will preface my comments by saying that, after reading the inaccurate Journey posted on the forum about a year ago, I didn't join the Forum, thinking that everything people were saying on the Forum was probably a distorted crock. It was Dettmers, Joe (who I know) and Joy (who I know) who got me to start believing anything I read. And of course Pat Conlon, my dear friend, was already posting.

The Band story has pieces of truth in it but is so convoluted. It's as if someone took the facts and pasted them into all sorts of inappropriate places -- in other words, that's not the way it went at all. For example, we didn't move to different apartments in Venice and Santa Monica until after we lost Ranch Shangi-La. I think the landlord rented Shangri-la to us because he had to fix the place, and he was selling it as is. Before we left and the place was purchased by 'The Band' (i.e. Robbie Robertson et al.), there was raw sewage gurgling up through the ivy in the front yard. Very few of us had jobs because we were trying to practice music full time and land a recording contract, and DLM had cut us off (and seized our equipment). The core of our diet for a while was food that Henry Judevine got from the dumpsters behind a K-Mart where he worked. He eventually got cleaner and fresher produce (all throwouts from a supermarket) by telling them that he lived in Malibu and had horses. At least we didn't have to eat it after it had been thrown into a dumpster. When we didn't get signed by A & M Records, things got a little bleak as far as a possibility of an infusion of cash. We had to move into town and get jobs.

Before Ranch Shangri-la, when we lived in an apartment complex in Thousand Oaks, DLM did forcibly seize our equipment and tire irons were involved. However, I don't believe there were guns but the roadies who had to surrender under threat of violence would know for sure. I believe the two roadies who were there at the time were Kenny and Tom -- I can see their faces, but I can't remember their names.

The 'Band on the Run' part is total fiction -- it was only a few European band members that were on the run. DLM did some wacky stuff with foreign passports in order to maintain control of the premies who came into the US for DLM projects, such as the band. The majority of the Europeans in the band had been sent home, but a few defiant rebels remained with us. (They were great folks.) Of course once Knud, Polly, Kev and Paul defied DLM, it started some trouble with immigration and the lads and lass had to leave town for a few weeks. So it wasn't the whole band, by any stretch of the imagination. This happened while we were living at Ranch Shangri-la. We had a rehearsal studio there, and the Band turned it into a recording studio after we left.

Anyway, I think that accuracy is important, especially when stories are being related by people that weren't there, so that's my two cents. When I do my journey the Band period can be one piece of the tale.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:27:36 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Yeah, figures -- oh well, that's how it goes
Message:
It's bound to be this way as the story starts to fill in. Half-truths, intentional distortions, oversights and simple mistakes are bound to happen. Someone like CD or any other see-no-evil type would say 'See?!' and close the book. But this is all a process. That's why witnesses are important and the more the better.

I'm curious though about the tire irons. Who was wielding them?

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 05:21:33 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Tire irons
Message:
I believe I heard the DLM folks had tire irons. I do know they had the superior firepower (tongue in cheek)--our guys were outmanned and outmuscled. I think all our guys had was a heavy wrench. I wouldn't want to be on a witness stand over those details, because only the roadies/equipment guys were actually there. They were trying to guard the equipment. We may have been tipped off that DLM was going to try to seize it, because they felt they had bought it. We were munmuts, and they were taking back what was theirs from the hethens. What I AM clear on is that our equipment was seized by force, and the roadies tried to stand their ground, but they weren't stupid, and gave it up rather than have a nasty scene. It was scary and it was ugly, but I don't think there was more than a scuffle.

DLM then had two poor ashram premies practically live in a car for days, staking out our building. I can't remember what DLM was trying to accomplish. I forget whether their 'detectives' (Dean Ruiz and Jay Zemel) started showing up at mealtimes. (Later on I got to know Dean and Jay when I lived in the LA ashram and they were great guys -- yes, I went through all that and went back to the Lardo and moved in the ashram in 1978 or so.) I know Michael Paragon did come around for meals, because he was sent to give us satsang. We finally refused to feed Michael so he'd go away, even though I was on friendly terms with him. And go away he did.

I know that I did NOT hear the word gun.

Just like you say, the details do get sorted out with more witnesses. If some other band folks posted, I'm sure we'd get the details a little better sorted out. And it's true that the original posts on this were someone's scrambled memory of what a band member told them. And my memories are also a little scrambled, but a little more accurate because I was there for some of it, including Satpal giving satsang in our living room in Venice and at our rehearsal hall.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 16:37:43 (GMT)
From: michael donner
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: inaccurate
Message:
Hi first time posting here. As was suggested above by someone, I too have been hesitant to post because of the rumours that are stated as fact and the various inaccuracies that have been posted about me (for example) and other situations/people.

it concerns me some to join in a conversation with people i do not know, and a conversation that seems to run often on hearsay as fact posted by people using aliases, making it nearly impossible to determine the real from the fictious. so, for what its worth, these and other factors have been a turn off to me. Just information for anyone who cares.

I joined the headquaters in denver in 1973, was bob mishlers assistant, then the national coordinator, etc...in all those years I never saw a gun nor heard reference to one either with the wpc (world peace corp that was headed by raja ji) nor later with the personal 'security' around m and his family.

i was aware that the band blue aquarius was going thru tons of money that dlm gave weekly...given in part becasue m was still trying to win over bholie ji during the family feud. after the disasterous program in houston (astrodome) in nov. 1973 the debt of dlm was enormous and they (we) could no longer afford (never really could) to have such an expensive band on the budget. the instruments were partly corlaterized and giving them back to the place of purchase was determined to be part of the strategy to pay back some debt. m also figured that without instruments the band would fold faster thus pulling the rug out from under his brother bholi ji and reduce his credibility and following. This was part of m's strategy of dealing with Balbagwan ji and mata ji. the dlm treasurer and others in the office supported this as it overlapped with our desire to reduce our debt back then.

I cannot remember if the wpc ran the operation to keep track of the band and get the instruments back (quite possible that this was a chance for raja ji to demonstrate his loyalty to m) or if dlm ran the operation using the LA ashram folks. The names mentioned above are of course very familiar but I cannot remember if they were wpc ashram premies or 'regular' ashram premies.

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Date: Tues, Mar 13, 2001 at 15:29:20 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: michael donner
Subject: interesting
Message:
I heard the gun rumours too, glad to hear that was what they were.

One thing you point out was that even as a very young teenager Rawat was quite the power broker ( the manipulation for Bhole Ji ) I suppose if he was precocious he was mostly a gifted manipulator of other human beings. That is what I get anyway.

Interesting

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 18:27:35 (GMT)
From: Francesca Reitano
Email: None
To: michael donner
Subject: inaccurate -- thanks for posting!
Message:
Thanks for the details from your end, Michael. I posted my whole name, although you may not remember me.

Re the seizure of our equipment, I also never heard the word 'gun.' (For the record, I never heard it ever in relation to DLM/EV security measures.) I believed that the equipment was taken away so that we would fold, so you've confirmed that one. In either event, the mission felt they owned it because they had bought it. And of course, DLM didn't want to keep supporting the band.

I characterized the actual takeover of the equipment as a scuffle, because if one side has more guys, and you are just a bunch of premies, there's no use fighting. I'm not sure whether Raja Ji was involved. I also don't know what ashram Dean and Jay were in, although I certainly knew them when I came back to the fold and moved in the LA ashram (78-80). They were in a house of guys that was a paint crew.

The band was under heavy pressure and surveilance, and it was an extremely confusing time because Maharaji would not say anything about it directly. The one time he came to the Thousand Oaks apartment complex (after the equipment seizure) he gave us loving satsang and didn't say anything that would lead me to believe we should leave Bhole Ji. It wasn't until that 'It's Time to Decide' satsang given in Hindi with the translation by Charles Cameron (possibly a year later??) that I slowly gave up the band thing and eventually went back to the LA community. My sister and her husband had heard it at the LA satsang hall and knew what I (and my roomate) were going through. I was in bed with the flu and they told the people in charge that they must be able to borrow the tape for a day. They brought it straight to my room and played it for me. The other factor was Bhole Ji going back to India and obviously becoming part of the Satpal thing.

The family feud and the trips the band members went through were a time of great difficulty for many of the premies involved. Perhaps the reason I am recalling all this is that it is amazing to me that I was so low on self esteem or needed some sort of salvation that I would come back to a teacher or Master that did this sort of thing to people.

I do know that back in the Camp Joan Meier (Ventura county) when I first joined the band and the family feud began shortly thereafter, Quincy Jones came to see the band and marveled that anyone would be allowed to have such a large band. I was standing close by (because he had just come over to compliment the backup singers) when he told Bhole Ji that neither he nor Chuck Mangione could have large bands -- the record companies just wouldn't allow it. Bhole Ji did not heed the advice and hung onto his idea, although at some point most of the Europeans went back because DLM told them to. I remember thinking that if Quincy Jones and Mangione couldn't have large bands, we were cooked.

By the way Michael, you gave my husband Mark H. Knowledge (in the Bay area in the 70s). He has good memories of you because David Smith (the instructor he first tried to get K from) was so awful to him. He never bought the bhakti guru thing so he has not needed to 'process' on this forum.

Michael, thanks for your input. Keep posting.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 21:15:56 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Forum Admin. did you get these?
Message:
Just wondering if you caught the most recent posts from MD, in response to my questions, and also one from today,in answer to Quiet Man. It's under Joe's post'too important not to be brought up to top' or somethinng like that. It's getting near the bottom now.

Thanks.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 19:45:09 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: More Tapes from ULF
Message:
Ulf sent me another tape. After that Atlantic City tape I already listened to and reported on, I wasn't sure I could handle listening to it. Anyhow, the only way I could do it, so far, is to listen to it while driving in the car. This tape is from a coordinators conference in Florida, but I haven't figured out the date yet. I would say 1977 or 1978.

Anyhow, I'll put together some of the main quotes, but so far, it's more of the your-mind-is-the-devil-surrender-to-and-devote-to-Guru-Maharaj-Ji-have-satsang-all-the-time-premies-are-unfocused-and-can't-do-service-properly-I-am-the-incarnation-of-God-and-nothing-happens-except-by-my-grace-speil.

A couple of interesting statistics. At the time, in the 28 communities in North America, about 2,300 premies were said to be attending satsang in communities on an average night. (Again, I think this was in 1977), but that jumped to about 3,000 when an mahatma came to town. This seemed to upset Maharaji, who said people should go to satsang whether an Initiator was there or not, and that satang was the most important thing so that premies would have 'that understanding.'

He also mentioned how in Greece, some anti-guru group threatened the premies, and Michael Paragon, threatened to break his legs, and also destroyed pictures of Maharaji and magazines and other cult publications, including throwing them out the window. They also threatened to break the legs of any Initiator who came back to Greece. Maharaji talked about taking legal action, but it was clear he hadn't a clue what that was.

He was pretty disparaging about the commnities and how nothing was growing. Of course, he did his usual contradictory speil, blaming the unconscious and unfocused premies for the fact that his mission was languishing, but then claiming that nothing happened except by his grace. Did anyone ever point this contradiction out to Maharaji?

I won't be around for a few days, but will attempt to come up with some juicy quotes when I get the stomach to listen to the rest of the tape.

Thanks to Ulf and his library of tapes he saved.


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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 20:01:29 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: delores@gofree.indigo.ie
To: Joe
Subject: Transcribe the tapes
Message:
Joe: I have someone who can transcribe the tapes. We need to have that done for the site. Anyone who is willing to contribute to a fund to pay for the transcription should email me. It won't be cheap, but it will be done correctly and the person doing it will be paid what his/her labor is actually worth, unlike what happened to us.

Marianne

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 04:59:54 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: My song got buried.My Way(His Way)
Message:
My Way (His Way)

And now the end is near,
and so I face the final darshan,
My friends i'll say it clear,
I'll stay my case of which i'm uncertain,
I've lived a premies life that's full of shit,
I've travelled to each and every program,
and more,much more than this,I did it HIS way.

Regrets,I've had a few zillion,
But then again,too many to mention,
I did what I was cohersed to do,
and saw it through without exemption.
He planned each chartered course,
Each ridiculous step along the byway,
And more,much more than this,I did it HIS way.

Yes there were times,I'm sure you know,
When I bit off more meditation than I could chew,
But through it all when there was doubt,
I ate it up and spit it out,
I faced it all and stood tall,
And did it MY WAY!


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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 07:24:57 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: Your song did get buried; glad you dug it up
Message:
The first time you posted it I started reading it, got distracted and then forgot to finish it. Not bad for a grandpa. Don't bite off more meditation than you can chew. It's tastier in little delicious nibbles, one at a time, Aussie Bai.
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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 05:44:42 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: :) You go man! :) (nt)
Message:
aqiewh
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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 20:49:56 (GMT)
From: Postie
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: Good one for the EPO Songbook, Aussi Ji
Message:
With Larkin's songs hopefull safe in the archives, your song and the other fantastic songs posted here, an EPO Songbook can't be far off. Could sell them at Latvian Nights worldwide to raise money for the new EPO yacht - gotta have a moveable Latvian HQ, right?
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 22:06:03 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Our alleged obsession with Maharaji
Message:
In his alleged post below our alleged ex-Lord mentions our alleged obsession with him.

I've heard that a few times here, and I want to say something about it. What I am obsessed with––if anything––is the process of uncovering and unravelling a long process of cult-programming that I and others underwent. For well more than a decade I didn't think about MJ at all. I had much more interesting people to think about, and I still do. Once I realized he wasn't who he had claimed to be - and, hey, I bought it 100% - he just became a rather pathetic figure to me, although I don't like the way he manipulated and still manipulates people through fear and lies. And I enjoy the scandals and the upcoming come-uppance more than People magazine. Now I think of him as a kind of picture on the wall of this room where what is really happening isn't about him at all, but about US reclaiming our complete selves, enjoying our capacity to have a loving, intelligent, diverse community without a master at the top draining all our focus, in fact, enjoying life (dot aaaargh).

It's not about you, MaharajiDear

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 06:50:50 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Obsession with clearing up ...
Message:
the mystery of how we got wrapped up in that ball of string ... and some of us during our formative years. Obsessed with being free. What a crime, eh??

Leaving no room for doubt in our minds, yet the doubt and the discussion murmured like a stream still running under the ice, unheard, or barely heard.

Well said Disculta. It is about us, about human nature, about wanting to believe, to be taken care of, to go home. Being no one, going nowhere is a better gig. A lot less protection is needed when home is everywhere, and we are a part of everything.

Love,

F

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 07:45:56 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Obsession with a dream of peace and love
Message:
I was just thinking today that I came to Rev Rawat because of my dream of peace and love on earth and stuck with him for far longer than I should have thinking that if I put my faith and love there it would work out in the end.

Connie, said in a post below that she stuck with him until recently, as I did, because she still believed that he cared. Maybe I've just been a starry-eyed teenager until the age of 54.

I read Marolyn's letter twice despite having to break a taboo of mine about eaves-dropping. The second time I read it I was transported into her phenobarb induced dreaminess. When she stops taking the drugs her dream will be over too. But it's hard to get a divorce especially when you're a gopi.

Let's face it - the Rawat family circus was the greatest show on earth when it first arrived. It took a while to realize that it was run by a bunch of carnies out to make a buck off us marks.

He's got a fairly reliable product but, like most hucksters, he thinks he's better than his product and, like most conmen, he believes his own deceit.

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 22:17:11 (GMT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Our alleged obsession with Maharaji
Message:
That is so well said, m'dear!
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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 07:38:01 (GMT)
From: Joy
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: Our alleged obsession with Maharaji
Message:
Yes, Disculta, very well said indeed!

I'm also amazed at some of the changes reading this Forum regularly has put me through. Even after almost 20 years away from the cult, as Disculta has previously said, you think you're over it after all that time, but there are still little pockets of pain/confusion/anger that need dealing with and this sure is the place to do it.

I've often thought lately that I don't really want to give Maharaji that much of my waking thoughts any more, since I didn't think about him for many, many years either. But it IS about us, about reclaiming our true, whole selves. And if that means poking fun at the Goo-roo and discussing it all ad nauseum, so be it.

But I think, for me, the real fascination with the Forum, which was also what attracted me initially to M, is the people. So funny and clever and and hip and spiritual, you all are. It's the one really good thing to have come out of that cult involvement for me, really good interesting friends.

Lots of love to you all, and don't let anyone guilt trip you into thinking you shouldn't be here,
Joy

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 07:50:42 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Joy
Subject: Joy, you must have been writing this
Message:
while I was writing my post above. Thank you for putting into words what I left out of my post. The exes are absolutely captivating. Why? I think because they are all idealists who once had a dream. I think most of us still do have that dream eventhough it was hijacked by a huckster guru for a while.
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:25:28 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: I'll be in London Sat afternoon
Message:
If anybody wants to join me for some fun before our evening party ..... I'll be around 3pm at Waterloo, then at my hotel.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 20:08:03 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Well I know exactly where I'm going...
Message:
I've been promising myself for ages, and have never been there: The Natural History Museum.

It's a goldmine for neo-Darwinians and a must-see from what I've been told. So if anyone fancies clearing out a few chakras, dumping their Hindu creation myths and Radhosoami lineages or whatever, I'll be heading down there about three pm. If anyone wants to meet up my mobile number is: 07949 543506. Call me on Saturday or before then, if you like, even just for a chat.

See y'all Saturday...

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 21:04:20 (GMT)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Listen guys, you won't have time for 'fun'
Message:
To JM, Nigel, cq et all,
The serious business of the evening starts at 6 pm. prompt, and If you're thinking of bringing any 'female aspirants' back to the hotel, just bear in mind that Marianne and I will be in an adjacent room, probably meditating and we will not take too kindly to any unseemly disturbance, besides which, we might be envious, or even jealous. We will have a head start on you anyway, having been there since Latvian warm-up night, so we're just hoping we don't peak too early! Or is that peek?
I'm hoping that we will have at least three laptops ( No Nigel, not lap dancers) between us, so that when we go online at midnight GMT, you will all be able to get a flavour of the night...as it were...and join in with us in spirits (or your preferred choice of tipple)
The keynote speech will be Anth, reading from one of his earlier works, 'All God's Children' We are all looking forward to this with keen anticipation.
God help us all
Kelly
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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 20:30:08 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Kelly
Subject: Meditation will make you go blind (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 20:33:10 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: read yer email, nigel, you honorary scouser! nt
Message:
xxxx
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:53:19 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: What kind of fun do you have in mind? nt
Message:
xxx
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:27:48 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: brauns@apollo.lv
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: So will I!
Message:
Email me to arrange meeting place!

John the Latvian

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:33:56 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: So will I....
Message:
What's it to be, Soho or King's Cross?
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:17:22 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: (In a whinny voice) I'm jealous! (NT)
Message:
ny
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:49:28 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: (in a nit-picking voice) NO YOU'RE NOT!
Message:
- you mean you're envious.

(jeez, the number of times I've told people that jealousy isn't the same as envy ...)

Jealousy is all to do with not wanting people to share what YOU have.

Envy is wanting what others have.

Here endeth the lesson.

.
.
.
.
enjoy that envy, Cynthia!

;)

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:12:32 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: cq: (in a groveling voice) YOU'RE RIGHT
Message:
Oh cq,

I know well the difference between jealousy and envy. It's actually been one of my own pet peeves for decades!

Please accept my sincere apology for the error. Envy!

(In a whinny voice) I'm envious!

Have fun (pouting look on my face)
We got 3 feet of snow in the past 48 hours! Yes, that's feet, I shit you not!

A junk car we've been procrastinating to remove, a 1987 Subaru, (which my husband promised to remove to the junk yard whilst I was away in the most sophisticated states Connecticut and Rhode Island), sits in the driveway out back, invisible, we shall photograph it and name the picture ''Lost Subaru,'' which of course, is true in every sense. Maybe we'll just wait for a very cold day, spray water on it and enter it into the Winter Carnival Ice Sculpture contest....I'm babbling...

Sorry again for the jealous thing,

Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:38:52 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: 3 foot of snow? take me to your dealer ... (nt)
Message:
sssnnnn
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:18:31 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: cq: (in a groveling voice) YOU'RE RIGHT
Message:
Dear Cynthia,
Hahahahaha!!!! We, here in Pennsylvania, only got 30 inches!!! :)More snow on its way here Saturday too! How about you? Personally I can't wait till summer!!!! Nice to be south from someone! :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 18:30:23 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: planetqwerty@postmaster.co.uk
To: Nigel
Subject: So will I....
Message:
My trips down to the big smoke are pretty rare these days. But I do enjoy taking in the latest releases at the BFI Imax. I also enjoy getting laid, but Soho or King's Cross don't really appeal.

5-storey high screen, full 3-D, and the films last about 40 minutes each.

email me if you want to meet up.

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:20:53 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: So will I....
Message:
Dear Chris,
Going to Imax to watch a movie where you can feel like you're there, getting laid!!!? :) You want to know if Nig can meet you... :) hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Just teasing, you know. :)
Enjoy Saturday, maybe we'll talk on the phone.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:36:58 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: don't knock it til you've tried it! (nt)
Message:
heard the one about the goose and the packet of crisps?
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:51:22 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Chris, did you get your forums mixed up?
Message:
'I also enjoy getting laid,..'
'Email me if you want to meet up.'

You didn't put a message on 'Bondage UK Forum 19' saying you were going to bring along one of my old satsangs and read it out aloud did you?

See you on Saturday.

Anth a bit tied up at the moment.

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:14:40 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Chris, did you get your forums mixed up?
Message:
don't think so Anth, though the one you're referring to could be here

Enjoy!

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 16:54:46 (GMT)
From: Maharaji
Email: www.maharaji.org
To: Everyone
Subject: Practising KnowledgeDear
Message:
Dear Premies

To me there is nothing like an ex-premie. Everyone of you who
has been bestowed this Gift of Knowledge by either me or one of
my instructors is connected to this immortal Thread of Love that
has existed thru the ages. You as well as me are now part of that
same bond of Knowledge. It's like in this Eagles song 'Hotel
California' :' You may check out any time you like but you can
never leave'.
Your constant thoughts about me have become sort of like an ob-
session, and a person who is obsessed can never have the True
Experience of Knowledge, because there is the obsessed person
and their obsession,but that is duality and to have the experience of Knowledge means to be in unity, with oneself and
the whole cosmos; to be united forever and ever in that one true
consciousness of satchitanand .
How can you love if your love makes a distinction between one
thing and another, one person and another?Love is one, so if you
exempt any one person from that love, in your case if you exempt
me from that love, your love is not complete and you cannot have
that true experience of Knowledge which is Love.
No matter what you believe, I don't want your money, I just want
your love for and commitment to this Knowledge, so you may have
that experience of the Knowledge as great, as splendid, as power-
ful as I have.
It is my job to make sure that the joy of practising this Know-
ledge is made accessible to every human being. Period.
I hope your lives will gradually experience that stability that
Knowledge brings.
As concerns the rumors and revelations of my private life,I main-
tain that it is just that, my private life and it has nothing to
do with my job as a master that has in no way ever been affected
adversely. My objective will remain the same and that is to make
sure that the Knowledge will continue to be spread to every
being on the planet.
I wish you well and hope we all will see each other again in that
bliss and joywe all have experienced whe receiving the Knowledge.

My blessings to you all

Maharaji

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 07:25:53 (GMT)
From: Rudra
Email: None
To: Maharaji
Subject: Practising KnowledgeDear
Message:
Dear Maharaji,

I do thank you or rather your father for bringing the Knowledge teachings to the west. After twenty five years I finally reached realization of the Knowledge, complete with the fall of attention into the heart. My awakening cleared away any negativity that I had toward you and served to clarify my understanding of the spiritual awakening process. It is clear to me that your father had great hopes for you, the youngest, the most innocent of his children. I am sure that he trusted that with your mother's guidance you would truly be one of the great wisdom teachers of our time. I am sure he will call you to account for that misplaced trust. I am sure that, with a fathers love and compassion, he will forgive you for becoming drunk on western materialism. You have squandered his gift. I forgive you as well.

Spiritual awakening is a reality. Preserver in your hero's journey. Freedom is the reward.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 08:55:52 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Rudra
Subject: Rudra, thanks
Message:
That was a very gentlemanly post. Also, there was not a word of it that rang false. Thank you for speaking such clear truth.

I want to add something to it: I want to thank Prempal for showing me finally that there is no need for a guru and that we can get along fine without any sort of Master or hierarchy or structure and definitely we can get along without the heartless organization that he has created. We can get high with or without a little help from our friends. Truth and love are greater than guru.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 03:06:33 (GMT)
From: Swami Suchabanana
Email: None
To: Maharaji
Subject: Witnesses say it was YOU on phone r.e.Halley 'hit'
Message:
Dear Maharaji:

For starters, you never answered a single one of my heartfelt letters in 30 years, but you and DLM/EVI readily accepted and spent all the money. That money was intended for propagation, not gross materialist Masterbation. Many of us lived in poverty just to help you. Many of us sacrificed our lives, our families, our careers, and even our health -- following and believing in you. Many of us served you and the mission of spreading the knowledge for years, and put up with all kinds of asinine shit, in the process.

I told tons of people about knowledge; they got really excited. Then, most of them got turned off -- when they finally heard you. The premies didn't screw up - it was your own fault. How dare that you blamed your premies! You fed the concepts -- YOU take the blame!

According to several credible eyewitnesses, the last phone call to Richard Fletcher, before he and Fakiranand went to murder Pat Halley was with YOU. Was that your agya, too? MURDER?!!!!

I just got out of the cardiology [i.e. heart] ward of the hospital, hooked up to i.v. tubes, EKG electrodes, etc. -- for serious health problems partially engendered by the horrible shock last year and the terrible stress of dealing with all the revelations about you. But, I'm NOT going to let this kill me, too.

How can you sleep at night, let alone live with yourself???!!!

I do happen to be a spiritual person, and so I do forgive you [if this isn't actually just some poser imposter]. But I hold YOU accountable for the 'the cheat and deceit' you have perpetrated and the unspeakable harm you and your organization DLM/EVI have inflicted and perpetuated on the many of us who entrusted our souls, our hearts, and our lives to you.

Almighty Lord within is looking out for me now, but I pity you...

Sincerely,

da lil' swami

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 00:16:49 (GMT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: Maharaji
Subject: Is that really you ? if so fuck off nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 21:05:04 (GMT)
From: Adolf of Buenos Aires
Email: None
To: Maharaji
Subject: Agree w/ Herr Rawat-nt
Message:
aaaaa
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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 19:56:29 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Maharaji
Subject: J'accuse
Message:

J'accuse

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 07:09:48 (GMT)
From: janet in venice
Email: None
To: Maharaji
Subject: you left ME, you spendaholic,sexist drunkard
Message:
how many times did you sit up over us all and tell us 'if you don't like it, leave'?
You think WE'RE dense?? YOU are just as willfully blind to your own salvation and liberation.
you have had the key held out to you repeatedly, and you always back off and run. You claim you have a job, here, to remind us? We have a job too: It is our job to remind you that you're here on earth subject to the same laws we all are. We will confront you all your life, everywhere, until you face it or die, one of the two. And if you think WE're hard bargainers, wait till you see what awaits you on the OTHER side.

you can run but you cannot hide.
wake UP! you were used. you were set up. you're NOT what they told you you are. you're not what you told US you are! it's a lie. it's a DELUSION. and now it is becoming a crime.

all those expensive toys you have-who the hell said you could have them? give them all back. they are not yours. give back all the money you took from all those innocent people! you had no right to ask them for it in the first place or to take it! money is EARNED, not just demanded of others! when you demand it, and just take it from people, because you want what others have, that's known as ROBBERY. It's a crime, the world over.

when you siphon money privately for yourself off the top, from an enterprise owned and run by others' labors, that is supposed to pay them for their hard work, that's a crime known as embezzeling. when you lie, to hide money from the IRS and the UK charity commission, that's a crime known as tax fraud.

what are you, without your trappings? how long could you last in prison? in a mental hospital? with a terminal illness? how long could you keep up the pretenses? especially to yourself?

how long could you last without your alcohol? your nicotine? your supply of free money? without your supply of slave labor? have you ever had to do an honest day's work in your life?? I wish your helicopter or your jet would go down in a remote inhospitable , inaccessible wilderness, and force you to face life on its own raw, true terms. all your blubber would burn off. you'd go through withdrawal and get the alcohol and nicotine drained out of your system.all your idiotic concepts of yourself would burst. my hope is that you would live to come out of it a changed man. you would see your wife, your children, the premies, your entire way of living with different eyes, afterward.

maybe you would walk away. let it all go. tell them to sell it all off and give the money all back. make a public apology to the world, and even go home to prem nagar and apologize to your brothers for causing all this uproar. they might accept you. they also might not. if not, you would understand what you did to make it so.

you need to tell monica goodbye. set her free. what you are doing to her is cruel. she is not your wife. your wife is your wife. how can monica ever have what a woman expects and deserves? all she will ever be is 'the other woman'. she deserves a real husband, her own husband. you can't be that. you know you can't--and won't. she can't be a respected woman in her own right, unless you release her-- and let her go to the man who will marry her, and you honor what they have with each other, what they are to each other. How many abortions has she had, now? What the hell are you doing to her life??

if your father were here, he would be furious. he would cut a swath of destruction through your life. in fact, he may yet! you knew dammned well this is not what he sent you into the world to do!

i repeat: i did not leave you, maharaji. you left me. you left us all. you live in your own lie, and you drag your entourage along miserably behind you. have the courage to face the truth and let it all go.

that which we do not surrender willingly will be torn from us by force. run from this fact at your peril.

y'see--the problem with being known worldwide, is that there is no place you can go to hide.

except, maybe, Latvia.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 08:15:58 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: janet in venice
Subject: I did not leave you. You left ME
Message:
Where the hell do you get all that passion? (Yeah - 4xleo.)

I just posted under Disculta's thread (about our supposed obsession with Rev Rawat) that I hung on so long because of my dream of peace and love on earth. Sounds like you did too.

You said: ''...if your father were here, he would be furious. he would cut a swath of destruction through your life. in fact, he may yet! you knew dammned well this is not what he sent you into the world to do!''

Amen, Janet Bai.

I was thinking that, if his whole spchiel is that you have to worship a living master, then he is following his own religion because he sure does fancy himself, doesn't he. Maybe that's why guru-worship can never work. The guru will always end up worshipping himself as the living embodiment. It has to be run as a democracy.

You also said: ''I wish your helicopter or your jet would go down in a remote inhospitable , inaccessible wilderness, and force you to face life on its own raw, true terms. all your blubber would burn off. you'd go through withdrawal and get the alcohol and nicotine drained out of your system.all your idiotic concepts of yourself would burst. my hope is that you would live to come out of it a changed man. you would see your wife, your children, the premies, your entire way of living with different eyes, afterward.''

Did you ever hear him talking about that? I have a couple of times. It is definitely something that he has considered. I don't have the guts to wish it on him. I always hope less drastic things will wake people up to the truth.

But, like you said, ''Even Jesus had to die.''


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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 23:24:17 (GMT)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Maharaji
Subject: Business has dropped so has to pitch us again (nt)
Message:
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:56:33 (GMT)
From: Maharaji
Email: None
To: Ex-premies
Subject: Providing more understanding
Message:
Dear People with Knowledge:

You are so fortunate to have that gift of that knowledge, but it is up to you whether you want to eat of the mangoe, or the asparagus, or the eggplant, or the avocado (which is tasteless and has pits that are too fucking big). I have done my part to give you that gift. Now it is up to you, but I will work hard to try to remind you to taste of that supreme mangoe.

I have received emails on my website, and the statistics are impressive. 50% of the emails are thanking me, and 50% are comments. You can see a graph on my website for more information. But there are some emails that are, well, so confused. They do not have that understanding that this breath is such a gift, and how important the Master is.

Some person asked how I know that all you people have constant thoughts about me. My answer is that I read this Forum V constantly. Day and night, week after week, month after month, and I love it. Premies are so fucking boring, and at least you people are intersting.

But of course you constantly think about me. Everyone does. I know I always think about me, what else is there to do when I am walking the earth, or flying my Gulfstream, or sailing on my yacht? What other fucking, mind thing are you going to think about? Jets, watch collections, sex with that sexy blonde who I saw doing participation by scrubbing the residence driveway with a toothbrush? See, when I think about things like that I AM thinking about ME. So, I always think about me, and I know you always have constant thoughts about me too. Who wouldn't? You can never check out of the hotel.

Sat Ji Maharj

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:35:11 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Maharaji
Subject: thank you for that
Message:
Einstein, Picasso, and Maharaji At The Pearly Gates
.
.
.
Maharaji, Albert Einstein and Pablo Picasso have all died.

Due to a glitch in the mundane/celestial time-space continuum,
all three arrive at the Pearly Gates more or less simultaneously,
even though their deaths have taken place decades apart.

The first to present himself to Saint Peter is Einstein. Saint
Peter questions him. 'You look like Einstein, but you have NO
idea the lengths certain people will go to, to sneak into Heaven
under false pretenses. Can you prove who you really are?'

Einstein ponders for a few seconds and asks, 'Could I have a
blackboard and some chalk?' Saint Peter complies with a snap of
his fingers.

The blackboard and chalk instantly appear. Einstein proceeds to
describe with arcane mathematics and symbols his special theory
of relativity.

Saint Peter is suitably impressed. 'You really *are* Einstein!
Welcome to heaven!'

The next to arrive is Picasso. Once again Saint Peter asks for
his credentials. Picasso doesn't hesitate. 'Mind if I use that
blackboard and chalk?' Saint Peter says, 'Go ahead.'

Picasso erases Einstein's scribbles and proceeds to sketch out a
truly stunning mural. Bulls, satyrs, nude women: he captures
their essences with but a few strokes of the chalk.

Saint Peter claps. 'Surely you are the great artist you claim to
be! Come on in!'

The last to arrive is Maharaji. Saint Peter scratches his
head. 'Einstein and Picasso both managed to prove their identity.
How can you prove yours?'

Maharaji looks bewildered, 'Who are Einstein and Picasso?'

Saint Peter sighs, 'Come on in, Prem Pal'

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 21:12:20 (GMT)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: It's you cq and I claim my prize! nt
Message:
cu sat
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:43:14 (GMT)
From: Durga Ji
Email: None
To: Maharaji
Subject: I am breaking my silence...Dear Prem
Message:
Pranam Maharaji,

The devotee in me shines when you try to inspire even those who reject you and ridicule you! My Lord, please help me to forgive these warp minded, ex-premies who want to take EVERYTHING away from our soul-bonded, life in eternal bliss! How could you humble yourself, the Lord of the Universe, of all Creation, by even writing one word to them?

But you are beyond all judgement, my glorious Maharaji. You are beyond that mind, that maya, that illusion. You play lila with us (especially me and Monica). Snigger. We know what's going on don't we???

As your wife, Marolyn, I am devoted to your everthings. I cannot give up all you have provided me: your Grace, your Majesty, your Eternal Eove. Especially, my Sant Ji, that precious Knowledge, that snychronized ability you have to pleasure me with the fewest resources!

As your wife, Maharaji, Prem, please may I ask for a new closet? In your eternal modesty (financially, that is) you've deprived yourself of new clothes lately, but allowed me by your grace, to go on a buying binge on-line in the past six months and, well, honey::)) I have just run out of space! (Giggle)

May I kiss your toes? You know, the way you like it?

Oh Maharaji, I think I am going into one of those ''phases'' you call them, you know ''a frog'' a ''fugue?'' Now I feel different, suddenly, while I write this, my feelings are all mixed up, Maharaji, help me by your Grace because, now I am

tired of living with an absentee husband and father to my children. I am tired of your long-term and short-term affairs with blonde women. I am sick to death of your drinking from morning to night, no sex, and the sex I get is well, nevermind, you know your limitations!

I am tired, I am tired, I am tired of your constant lies, you cheat and deceitful thing.

How can you get up the nerve to come to the Ex-Premies site with a clear conscience? And before consulting me? After all the scamming you've done, don't you think we should synchronize what we say, because buddy, you start talking, I am too! Go and fuck anyone you want. I don't care anymore.

Oh! I'm am like, you know, it's kindof like a switching taking place! O forgive me my Krishna! I am sand, mud, shit at your feet. Please help me to live as your wife and devotee!

And stay out of this place. Would you please email me NOW!!!????

All my heartfelt devotion to you, my Maharaji,
Love
Durgaji/Marolyn

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:42:14 (GMT)
From: Forum Admin
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: German IP Address
Message:
In view of the public interest, this information has been revealed.

Forum Admin

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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 00:26:42 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Forum Admin
Subject: Oh my Gawd!
Message:
You mean this isn't the real McCoy? And I was just about to cry all over my keyboard telling Maharaji how sorry I was to ever doubt him, and that I was going to renew my dedication with more fervor than I'd ever summoned before, and how I was going to meditate for at least a week straight, and really make an effort to stay awake this time, and go to videos until it all FUCKING BORED ME TO TEARS!! But since it's not really him, I guess I won't.
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:44:09 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Forum Admin
Subject: Well there goes my theory...! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 18:43:04 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Maharaji
Subject: 'To me there is nothing like an ex-premie'
Message:
But there is such a creature as an ex-guru?

If that IS you Prem Pal Singh Rawat, in person (and not someone pretending to be you), then it's about time you woke up and smelt the rotting vegetables.

And the vegetables aren't non-practising premies, as you once suggested.

They're your own lies.

You pretend that you never claimed to be 'that superior power in person'? You lie.

You pretend that you have no responsibility for the consequences of the claims you made about yourself when you went under the title of 'Perfect Master' and 'Lord of the Universe'? You have responsibility.

You pretend that a 'master' is needed to practise 'knowledge'? Are you willing to put that to the test?

You may think you're doing people a favour by touting yourself as a 'master'. You are not. Dependency is not a healthy relationship at the best of times.

The knowledge would be spread far wider if you were to stop demanding people's gratitude, and step down from your ivory tower.

Let the knowledge speak for itself. And let those that would learn from it spread it themselves.

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:10:40 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: This post not by Rawat but by a premie
Message:
cq you said: ''Let the knowledge speak for itself. And let those that would learn from it spread it themselves.''

Spoken like a sensible man. The above post is by a premie who also has seen that knowledge is more important than the socalled Master.

For many years I bought into the Master game because I felt that he was needed to spread k to the whole world. I now think it is time for those people who enjoy knowledge to spread it themselves.

Mr Rawat has gotten enough mileage out of his game and long ago actually become an obstacle to spreading the message of love.

So if there are any premies reading this, I urge you to begin teaching knowledge by yourself. The only role of the Master is to enrich himself. There is no need for him whatsoever.

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:16:29 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.uk
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Possibly - but how are you so sure? (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:27:37 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Nigel
Subject: Also, no known premie IP matches his...
Message:
(Sorry FA's - I just used my still-available admin privileges to check.)
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:30:08 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Do you know all 5,000 premie IPs? NT
Message:
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:42:37 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: No - but just the regular shit-stirrers (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:25:09 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Possibly - but how are you so sure?
Message:
There is an air of modesty and a general lack of pomposity and no harping on ''my Master'' and the ''mercy of the Master'' bullshit.
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:41:27 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Hmm..take your point - but...
Message:
...would any premie dare to impersonate Maharaji and risk His displeasure?

I think it's significant that M (real or fake) seems to pick up on two issues only: his private life and the question of whether he wants our money. These would surely be the two main things that would filter back to Maharaji if he never read the site but occasionally asked his web-watchers 'So what are these ex-premies saying about me..?'

The message is adequately simplistic to be the man himself - as if his reassurances on both counts might silence the critics and bring them back to the fold. The failure to grasp the full effects of his own past claims and actions on people's lives might simply illustrate the man's arrogance. So I still think it could be M - a premie capable of doing such a good spoof would probably also try harder and be a bit more sophisticated, I think.

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:45:28 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: I guess we'll never know 'Who is Guru Maharaj Ji'
Message:
It sounds like the stuff that a lot of the industrial strength church ladies spew nowadays.
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 21:50:31 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: I guess we'll never know 'Who is Guru Maharaj Ji'
Message:
I just can't imagine him using the phrase 'cosmos' or even 'satchitanand.' Sounds a little dated, even for when I left 17 years ago

It is a bit odd, though, because it's close to seeming real, and if a premie did it, I'm sure he would fear MJ's wrath.

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 22:12:40 (GMT)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Satchitanand is one of his favourite words for God
Message:
Hi Dis,
It's true, he really does say just that, and I last heard him say it ..last Sept. It always got to me...like how can that be a word for God? He'd go on to explain that it meant ..truth, consciousness and bliss....God??? He's said it a lot in recent years, and it always threw me. but I filed it away with all his other contradictions, non sequiters, total gaffes etc. BUT ,that is definitely not him speaking in this thread...I think it's cq. I'm not sure though, but I am sure that Elan Vital is definitely..Joe!

Love Kelly

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 23:25:57 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Kelly
Subject: Satchitanand is the dhyana yoga word for God
Message:
But Rev Rawat would not use the word cosmos - too ''spiritual.'' I think it is a real premie who knows that Rev Rawat's wrath cannot come down on him because there is no way to discover who he really is and I think he thinks he is doing service by giving us satsang and I think he may also be another fence-sitter.

A lot of premies nowadays use the word ''Master'' as if they are trying to convince themselves. I know I did for a while until it began to stick in my throat. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

Hey, Kelly, don't out the satirists.

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:03:12 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Maharaji
Subject: This could almost .................. (nt)
Message:
fffffff
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:32:09 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Jim
Subject: I thought the same...am still half-persuaded...
Message:
...but Maharaji stopped using the word 'premie' fifteen years ago (unless he just resurrected it to contrast with 'ex-premie' for the present context).

As for the rest - highly convincing. May I suggest that whoever posted this identify themselves PDQ. It's either a brilliant spoof or a genuine message from the Malibu hills, and I think we should be told before others more gullible than I accept it at face value (ulp..!)

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:21:20 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Ye....maybe He became an ex.... NT
Message:
what is there to say?
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 18:02:20 (GMT)
From: Postie
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: Not quite enough Mobius Strip logic
Message:
And not a single aeronautical reference.

Postie - doing Number 3 just in case

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 18:48:04 (GMT)
From: gErRy
Email: None
To: My pal, prem
Subject: Long time no see, kimosabe...
Message:
Now are we speakin' here to the Filament or the Speaker, here Mr Ji sir, great king, sir, or my pal prem?

I would guess 'Filament' because this post is as bright as a thousand fireflies at midnight in Mauritinittus. But fess up goobie, you did a little dickie dunkin' with Monica, now din't ya? Yeah maybe I'd like to have a little knowledge of that experience, maybe not though, Patty'd kill me.

Hey tell ya hwut, let's get together and party down sometime, preferably at your place. Send the G4 to Seattle and you can pick me an' Patty up at LAX in your helio.

Then maybe at the end of March when Patty has a week off we could all fly the G4 to Rhode Island and take the boat out for a cruise to the Bahamas. You up fer it, prem, pal?

PS Patty's showin hints about maybe somethin' special in the late night hours so bring your speedo mister master !!!

gErRy--doing number two because nature beckons...

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 18:23:36 (GMT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Postie
Subject: and a little bit too articulate for the Speaker NT
Message:
x
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 18:30:56 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Gregg
Subject: Not so sure...
Message:
It looks to me like the work of someone who is not well-versed in using the written word. The weird capitalisation, poor paragraphing and spacing suggest as much, and the flow of words is distinctly conversational, albeit rambling - exactly how I would imagine a message from the Humpster. A difficult thing to simulate.
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 18:23:11 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Postie
Subject: I've emailed them...
Message:
But not really expecting a speedy reply.
>
Dear Maharaji.org,

I should be grateful if you could spare a minute to clear up a query for me. Somebody purporting to be Maharaji himself has posted a message on the ex-premie.org discussion forum. The style seems remarkably appropriate and convincing. Since it would neither be in Maharaji's interests nor those of his former followers if a 'spoof' letter were to be interpreted as coming from Maharaji, could you possibly clear up the matter for everybody's benefit? Thanks.

Yours, in anticipation of a simple 'Yea' or 'Nay' answer,
Nigel Longhurst

(The message is reproduced below.)

>>>>>

Dear Premies
To me there is nothing like an ex-premie. Everyone of you who
has been bestowed this Gift of Knowledge by either me or one of
my instructors is connected to this immortal Thread of Love that
has existed thru the ages. You as well as me are now part of that
same bond of Knowledge. It's like in this Eagles song 'Hotel
California' :' You may check out any time you like but you can
never leave'.
Your constant thoughts about me have become sort of like an ob-
session, and a person who is obsessed can never have the True
Experience of Knowledge, because there is the obsessed person
and their obsession,but that is duality and to have the experience of Knowledge means to be in unity, with oneself and
the whole cosmos; to be united forever and ever in that one true
consciousness of satchitanand .
How can you love if your love makes a distinction between one
thing and another, one person and another?Love is one, so if you
exempt any one person from that love, in your case if you exempt
me from that love, your love is not complete and you cannot have
that true experience of Knowledge which is Love.
No matter what you believe, I don't want your money, I just want
your love for and commitment to this Knowledge, so you may have
that experience of the Knowledge as great, as splendid, as power-
ful as I have.
It is my job to make sure that the joy of practising this Know-
ledge is made accessible to every human being. Period.
I hope your lives will gradually experience that stability that
Knowledge brings.
As concerns the rumors and revelations of my private life,I main-
tain that it is just that, my private life and it has nothing to
do with my job as a master that has in no way ever been affected
adversely. My objective will remain the same and that is to make
sure that the Knowledge will continue to be spread to every
being on the planet.
I wish you well and hope we all will see each other again in that
bliss and joywe all have experienced whe receiving the Knowledge.

My blessings to you all

Maharaji

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 22:21:07 (GMT)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: second thoughts, it's you Nigel and I claim my pri
Message:
ze. sorry about no nt, no room!
Kelly
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 21:52:26 (GMT)
From: kev
Email: None
To: Maharaji
Subject: Letter to Maharaji????
Message:
Below is a copy of a letter I have sent to that email address.

Dear Maharaji,

Why have you waited so long do to speak to us? And on this site as well!!! when you have lots of devoted premies who would, I am sure just wet themselves with joy if they were receive just one emial from you O'holy-one. But even though they write and send you emails to you all the time; when I was a premie I did not ever hear of you ever once writing too or sending any email to anyone.

So the big question is, why send one to us?

Is it because there are now a lot more ex-premies than there are premies? And as you look out the windows of your ivory towers you can see as each day goes by your devotees are slowly disappearing in to thin air before your very eyes.
So by writing to us is this a sign that you are getting scared (I hope so then maybe you can feel a bit of how we felt) that one day (soon I hope) you will wake up and find that nobody loves you any more and you are just an unimportant little man who once thought he was God.
O dear Maharaji what a shame.
Welcome to the real world Maharaji.

Kev.

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 16:19:45 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Good, honest communication (from the heart even!)
Message:
The latest featured, honey-coated sugar plum from ELK. Formula? Put on a convention centre hostess smile, grab a word and make it pun. Any word, any pun but something, please, that immediately relates to one of these game terms: love, gratitude, synchronization, journey or master. That about covers it, word-wise.

Then, say something about the 'outside' world. Something, anything, does'nt really matter what. You're only saying it in passing anyway. You should properly take a trivial situation or observation and immediately extrapolate that somehow apply to the above-mentioned concepts, the more forced the relation, the better. It just shows how preoccupied you are with the 'real' issues in life. Things like love, gratitude, synchronization, journey or master. Whatever else you do, remember to force a smile while you type. It actually comes through somehow and makes you seem dependably frozen in cult-approved emotions, permanently fixed in the narrow-band of thinking and expression premies can expect of one another.

Someone say 'Truman Show'? :

Two journeys

A personal account from Jo Robinson

Two journeys. One involving planes, (no trains) and automobiles, the other one concerned with my attention, understanding and focus. From the snowy winter of the north of England, to the warm spring of Thessalonica, was a tiring, if uneventful journey.

My luggage wasn't lost, and the taxi driver didn't understand English, but knew where the hotel was. Arriving at the bay, the water sparkled brightly, dark blue in the sunlight, turning to silvery azure at night. A noisy, bustling city, Thessalonica was proud of its cuisine (which was excellent), and its Byzantine heritage
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The second journey began in the modern facilities of the Helexpo International Conference Centre. On arrival we were given a brochure, outlining the times the sessions began, and showing maps of the hall, cafe facilities, and an exhibition area, containing materials and information. The brochure also explained that there would be a gift pack on each chair, containing a gift both to you and, hopefully, from you. An introductory video and audio cassette, a bookmark with internet addresses, and a brochure outlining varied introductory materials available were placed in a bag for each person, the idea being that you could, in turn, give your gift to someone new, so that they could have the opportunity to hear Maharaji's message, and know how to respond to it if they wanted to. A simple and lovely idea.
This one day felt like a very condensed three- day event, so much was provided. Starting with a practice session, the day's events began to unfold from that personal and real place, not concerned with crowds and groups, but only the individual's needs for personal growth and fulfilment.

The second session was open to people preparing to receive knowledge too, and started with some new, radically different kinds of videos. A group of four, the topics covered were- The Master, Listening to the Master, Participation, Talking about Knowledge. These were beautifully introduced by members of Maharaji's family, and instead of footage from events, consisted of Maharaji talking directly to the camera about each topic. Interspersed between the videos was some video footage of heartfelt letters written to Maharaji, and simply read out over gentle background music. Already there was a lot to digest, and Maharaji was still to come and speak.

After a short break, he was there in person, joking about where all the Greek gods had gone- possibly to apartments in Athens, as it was cold and lonely up on Mount Olympus. He told us how he comes to remind us, because there is so much to remind us of. He talked about the preciousness of life, how the presence of death is also a reminder, like a parking meter, ticking away.

He likened us to fish out of water, admiring the net, the boat, and even the knife facing us, forgetful of the heaven available now. He talked of the pain of confusion, and the joy of clarity.

I can't summarise it all. Watch the broadcast, borrow the video. Maharaji said so much; I can't wait to go home and listen to it all again, to try to take it in, and keep learning from him.

This is one journey that I hope never ends. Now to contend with that taxi driver again...

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 21:19:00 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: How recent is this Jim?
Message:
This is rich. I hear over and over again how the formula has changed and we old 70s and 80s folks are living in the past. Waaak! Denial. Denial. Denial.

I quote from above:
some new, radically different kinds of videos. A group of four, the topics covered were- The Master, Listening to the Master, Participation, Talking about Knowledge. These were beautifully introduced by members of Maharaji's family, and instead of footage from events, consisted of Maharaji talking directly to the camera about each topic. Interspersed between the videos was some video footage of heartfelt letters written to Maharaji, and simply read out over gentle background music.

Oh puke! This from a man who thinks breathing is radical. Apparently his students think the same old rehashed juju w/new age premie soundtrack is radical. Somehow, this MASTER thing has shown up for years, and yet we are expected to believe, continually told that we are out of it and the Lord and Master was yesterday's news. The counterparts to a Master are generally that you are some sort of subservient being. Especially when it is master with a captial 'M.'

And then we have, from the poor pathetic subjects to the Master dept., aka as 'oh Lord, I am sh*t on your shoe':

He likened us to fish out of water, admiring the net, the boat, and even the knife facing us, forgetful of the heaven available now. He talked of the pain of confusion, and the joy of clarity.

Thanks Jim!

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 22:32:43 (GMT)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: How recent is this ? Very, last week maybe nt
Message:
Greecy
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 14:47:13 (GMT)
From: Know It All
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Knowledge is Free -- NOT: beware Aussies
Message:
The new DVD knowlege sessions are about to be unveiled in Australia. Getting knowledge is apparently free for the aspirants, but the Aussie PWKs must come up with $26,000 in order to get the DVDs for the actual knowledge sessions, which are to be held in 3 different places.

This is on top of the outrageous fees for attending the Amaroo conference.

Question: Will the Aussies have any money left at all by the end of April?

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 04:04:19 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Know It All
Subject: premies are becoming beggars ,literally!
Message:
G,day KIA, As you rightly say the 26,000 is on top of everything else.I have heard in the little community I once belonged , that some of the premies are not going to Amaroo because they simply cannot afford it.Even a couple of rich premies I know are refusing to go,mainly in protest to the high costs involved.This small community has been asked to put in $400 as their contribution.That will go down like a lead balloon.One of these rich premies has asked me for the website for the ex premie site..Hip Hip

Cheers Aussi Ji

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 00:40:24 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: premies are becoming...?
Message:
I heard from a trustworthy source that in South America female premies, in order to get to festivals, have in the recent past taken to prostitution to raise funds for the trip. I'll say no more for now, since it isn't my story. (And K is for prostitutes too, right? - just so long as they find that place inside).
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:28:26 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Know It All
Subject: 26,000 dollars for the 3 Aussie aspirants?
Message:
They must be the most expensive aspirants ever. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure there are only three aspirants in OZ.
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:46:54 (GMT)
From: Know It All
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: 26,000 dollars for you know who
Message:
That's where the money goes in the end, isn't it? This is just the price for Australia. Yes, knowledge is free, but then, as Anth says, in order to stay involved, you have to mortgage your house. This is getting more transparent by the day.

Does anyone know how many Aussie aspirants there are?


KIA

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 00:46:09 (GMT)
From: Connie
Email: None
To: Know It All
Subject: 26,000 dollars ......
Message:
My take on this would be that the total amount would be broken down:

A standard fee for screening the dvd auto knowledge video (Aussie Ji said it was $18,000, was that Australian or US?). That would probably be sent to Visions.

If the $18,000 was Australian further costs to make up the $26,000 could be:

Costs, airfares and accommodation, for those approved to conduct these. Maybe Belkis and Charanand &/or other instructors/technical people? These may be approved local instuctors, I don't really know.

Hiring of halls and equipment.

The sad thing is that once again, the same old pwks are being asked yet again, to give more. March/April is certainly a time, er sorry, opportunity to give!

Have most pwks got access to unlimited funds and disposable income?

C

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 04:14:31 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Connie
Subject: 26,000 dollars ......
Message:
G,day Connie,
Sorry it was an error,it was 26,000 and as far as I know that is Aussie dollars.This is to cover everything from airfares from the US and accomodation and food,hiring of halls etc.The powers that be will probably say in the near future that they need more.See my reply to KIA for more info.

Cherrs Aussi Ji.PS this is to be kept secret from the aspirants of course.They are not to know what awaits them financially after they receive 'the gift'

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 13:50:44 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: beats the crap of having an ashram
Message:
So it is like, if you want it, you gonna have to pay for it?

Is this crack pot team staying in five stars hotels eating gourmeat chicken and drinking port wine. Fuck this shit.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 00:46:05 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Know It All
Subject: last time I heard it was 18,000 dollars
Message:
that is what Aussiji said. Me premie friend is coming to visit me next week, will see if I can find out how many asprins (oops) there are.
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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 03:46:23 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Sorry mate.it is 26,000.I got in my mind.
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 19:54:19 (GMT)
From: Know It All
Email: None
To: Aussi Ji
Subject: The Aussie PWKs are not stupid, right?
Message:
I've been impressed with the contributions of the Aussie exes here. How can the Aussie premies/PWKs possibly justify these ridiculous demands for money all at the same time from the Master? Does He think that you will all give blindly and unquestioningly to him? All I can say is that the Aussies must be the biggest cash cow of all if he is hitting you up like this.

KIA

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 01:42:36 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Know It All
Subject: Cash Cows
Message:
OK, I've been sharpening my pencil and it seems The Filament is a bit of a dim bulb, relatively speaking. We all know how fecking boring The Speaker really is, and he gets $45 a head for his little peep show on Sunday evening. About three hours of the all the 'inspiration' one can stand. Now the hall holds roughly 2500 androids. At $45/droid, that's a tidy $112,500 for his efforts. Not bad, you say.

But compare the Filament to Tony Robbins who gets $900 per droid. Granted, Tony keeps 'em for three nights and two days, but rakes in $2,250,000. Moooo

Makes goober look like small peanuts, so to speak...

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 14:22:34 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: am getting paranoid
Message:
from the Amaroo 2001:

The Pavilion

The Pavilion with its shops, cafes and restaurants lies at the hub of the conference centre - between the campgrounds, the conference hall and the Amphitheatre. Cappuccino and sweets........

Is this a secret message for me or something? I want Greek cookies, or am going to have to get them myself. sheesh

amaroo registration

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 19:59:11 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Hoi salam.
Message:
Howya doin' me old Mujahadeen?

I checked up on that magazine article we were talking about. It looks like the magazine is going to be out on the streets in April.

In the words of one ex-premie, 'It will destroy Elan Vital in this country.'

So that's about four weeks time.

Anth can't wait either.

EV Monitors. Please ask Sandy to give us back our blender. I thought you were supposed to pass these messages on.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 00:13:39 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: I thought you went on holiday.
Message:
But I guess you cann't wait hey?

By the way, how old is your blender, and what is its the relation
with Sandy?

Am been thinking of repenting, really, serious. I want to go back to me ol'lil guru. Actually I e-mailed EV for information on smartcards, you know. Am really really serious. Shtuck kind of person. You bad people on f5 has ruined my head (or what was left of it).

I mean between you, Jim, gerry and few others I have become a real infidal. So there you go. I want my guru back, now ye eer me EV, I am repenting, please tell me what to do. I swear I want say bad things on the mahaa, will even remove rawatSucks site, just please tell me how to do it? please please please. I will pay double if you want(as long as I get a front seat). Now you listining you moroons. You tell that fat ugly spoilt ex indian guru mother of yours what I want. GOT ME YOU BOOFHEADS, sheesh. Lost me temper there. Waaaaaaaaaa.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 00:59:14 (GMT)
From: sammmam
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Yes
Message:
Am trying to be anonymous and not associate my self with you guys.

Was closing shop, but just got an e-mail from EV (can you belive that) giving me a 45 dollar discount for smart card registration. Oh thank you lord, great stuff, I CAN SEE THE LIGHT coming, oh yes, thank you maharaji, am a comin, hallilujah (or whatever). Am static. Oh yeah.

See you later, don't drink too much.

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 14:33:14 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: some bad news for rawat
Message:
this is from an e-mail I just recieved of a premie that had no-lije for 30 ears and lives in Europe.

It seems like things don't flow towards going to Australia. No more space in planes, also it involves a lot of monies and energy

Sorry rawatji, next life time perhaps, oh forgot, you gonna be a pig next time, got to wait longer. pork pork pork.

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 12:46:14 (GMT)
From: JTF
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: What Marolyn knew and when she knew it !!
Message:
From the information gathered this week concerning Marolyn (aka Durga Ji, aka Mom)concerning the fact that she had her extra-marital fling prior to the former Lord of the Universe aka her husband,one can make a good case that as of her fling in 1984 she knew that M was certainly not anyone special. Would you cheat on the living Lord?

So everything she has said since that point can be called into question regarding her integrity.

I find the following to be very interesting. Given that it was written by her c. 1995 and quite possibly indicates her willingness to cover-up cult problems in order to maintain her wealth.

Check it out

http://www.oz.net/~drek/best/never_mind_letter_from_marolyn.html

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 01:23:16 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: JTF
Subject: Whoa! Juju be!
Message:
I can't believe anyone can stare down the face of death and still believe this crap! I am truly gobsmacked. But I guess during wars there are kamikaze pilots that go down in flamess believing in their countries, etc., and that some folks just won't drop it.

We are staring down the barrel of a death in my immediate family due to a terminal illness.

I can tell you that crocks of sh*t are flying out my windows.

I do believe that inside of Marolyn is one extremely sweet, extremely confused individual. Many of us feel that M is truly twisted by having been told he's god/creator/source of breath and death since he was a child. I believe Marolyn has been twisted in the same vice. Wife of god. If the premies can overlook all his faults, I'm sure she can, in a more powerful immediate way. And of course she can still have an affair with a premie and continue the self-deception. It's all a lila. Her affair, his drinking, yada yada.

JUJU BE! JAIL SWASTIKA WAND!

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 09:32:35 (GMT)
From: JTF
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Whoa! Juju be!
Message:
Hi Francesca,

It was the death of one of my parents that began my journey away from the cult. I noticed that K had no practical value at such a sad time. I guess I just filled it away and then a couple of years later, it came back as I viewed the premie scene in Miami.
That event there, celebrating 25 years of pig boy in the west, was what really triggered it for me. Somehow, I became an observer, and admitted to myself that K really wasn't happening for me or for anyone else....I looked at behavior rather than words. It was just like going to the 25 year high school/college reunion and seeing that the changes/evolution we had gone thru were really just superficial.

I hope you are not alone facing your family crisis. Take care .

JTF

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Date: Sat, Mar 10, 2001 at 07:24:55 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: JTF
Subject: Thanks, I'm not alone -- the family and friends ..
Message:
... are circling the wagons.

But the terminal illness of a parent is certainly making a lot of stuff fall away that has to do with the practice of Tibetan Buddhism. The essentials of meditation are there, but a lot of the ideas and dogma are meaningless. I find living in the moment to be the most honest and comforting thing I can do.

Right now the teachings of Thich Nath Hanh make a lot of sense to me --- anything simple really, where the proof is in the doing rather than a lot of philosophy and elaborate ritual.

Thanks for caring.

--f

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 21:46:31 (GMT)
From: D_Thomas
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Whoa! Juju be!
Message:
Francesca,

I know we don't always agree, but it looks like you may be going through some tough times. My father-in-law died of cancer this fall. I know it can be hard, especially if there is a lot of personal care involved. So, I'm wishing you a bunch of inner strength.

Take care.

David

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 05:26:18 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: D_Thomas
Subject: Thanks n/t
Message:
thanks
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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 02:16:45 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Tammy Faye, Imelda Marcos and Durga Ji
Message:
Marolyn has been compared with Tammy Faye Bakker and Imelda Marcos probably quite accurately but neither Tammy nor Imelda were married to the LOTU as is Durga (and as we were in a way too.) But I see Marolyn as just a premie, just as deceived as we were.

I am sure that she has been both Imelda and Tammy at some time. She may have been as arrogant as Imelda - before she was struck down with the aneurysm - having affair(s) with hunky chauffeurs, dripping with diamonds, as nouveau riche as they come, snapping fingers at servants, spending too much of our money etc.

Maybe she has even seen the world through ''The Eyes of Tammy Faye'' (the name of an excellent documentary about Tammy.) Maybe she also saw that Rev Rawat was a conman but kept on playing the game for fear of losing her wealth and status.

The analogy with Tammy fails insofar as Tammy (not her husband Jim) was actually the real ''inspiration'' behind PTL with her winning ways (winning for trailer trash Christians that is) cheerful singing and a message that Jesus is love and joy.

Unlike Rev Jerry Falwell (who destroyed PTL) Tammy reached out to gays with AIDS as early as 1984 and never preached condemnation or was judgemental. Admittedly she began to see the error of her husband's ways but did not out him.

Unlike the Rev Rawat the figures involved where not as scandalous. In the ten years that the Bakkers ran PTL they brought in $158,000,000 and pocketed $3,000,000 which put Jim Bakker in jail for a number of years.

But mostly what I see in Marolyn's letter is that she is a very sick woman, suffering also from the effects of the anti-convulsant drugs (either phenytoin or phenobarb both of which tend to zombify a person.) She is trying to write to a friend and trying to think about that friend's problems but is drugged up and frightened and keeps reverting to her own problems like a sick child.

All the devotion to Master BS sounds like the protestations of a frightened brainwashed superstitious premie. Methinks the lady doth protest too much. Like many modern Pewkies (PWKs) she seems to think that by telling herself over and over that she needs a Master that it might come true.

Once the kids are all grown up she may divorce him but it won't be easy. Some of us just believe in being loyal even when the object of our loyalty deceives us. I hope the alimony soothes her regrets for giving him the best years of her life and that she realizes that she can start over even if she is over fifty.

She may have once played Imelda or Tammy but deep down inside she was Sita or Radha, a real brainwashed gopi. I wish you well Marolyn.

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 16:27:36 (GMT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: JTF
Subject: What Marolyn knew and when she knew it !!
Message:
Hey guys

I think you are being unnecessarily harsh on Marolyn regarding this letter.

Despite the 'cult' turn of phrase, I get a clear impression of someone has been extremely frightened by her ordeal and the realisation of her mortality, and who is trying to cope with her medication. I think her reluctance to become involved in whatever issue her correspondent has landed on her quite understandable under the circumstances, and far from trying to preserve her 'wealth' or whatever else you suggest, is probably more preoccupied with preserving her life, which she obviously thinks is very fragile.

Let's be fair....

Mel

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 04:21:22 (GMT)
From: Aussi Ji
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: G,day mel bourne,I,m near-Syd Nee nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 20:45:25 (GMT)
From: JTF
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Was Tammy Fay Baker an innocent victim?
Message:
I doubt it.

As far as Marolyn's letter, we'll never know for sure but the fact that she asks for this reply to be kept secret(not once but twice)makes me suspicious of her motive.

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:12:18 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: I agree Mel
Message:
I am really curious where you stand on the rest of it of course....

but I agree on the Marolyn issue. I think she is a human being in a very bizarre circumstance, and at the time she wrote that she was recovering from a very scary life threatening ( and I think intellectually perhaps a bit threatening as well ) illness. I feel a lot of sadness when I read this letter. I think it would be damn scary to be married to Rawat...no matter whether you think he is God or a fraud...it would be scary as hell if you shared kids with the guy.

I in NO way am excusing the issues she is sidestepping and excusing in the letter concerning the doctor. I think it is not excusable. But I still feel very sorry for Marolyn reading the letter.

But Mel....how are you? Where are you at with all of this these days?

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 11:37:57 (GMT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: I agree Mel
Message:
Hi Susan

But Mel....how are you? Where are you at with all of this these days?

I'm very well thank you.

If you want to know where I stand these days, you can read all about it in a thread on the 'Anything Goes forum' entitled 'I have to laugh' (Gerry) dated 23rd Feb. I had a brief exchange with Marianne, Gerry and Way.

You know, of course, where I stand with the Jagdeo business

Take care

Mel

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:28:15 (GMT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Sorry - botched link
Message:
Try this.
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:10:45 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Hi Mel
Message:
Mel,

I could almost go along with you IF there was any indication that Marolyn once -- even once -- put herself on the line as a human being for honesty in all this. I could grant her a lot of slack if the only issue was why she didn't do so just then. Yes, her recuperation must have been dificult, perhaps painful, confusing and even scary. Yes to all that.

But before?

After?

Like for YEARS before and YEARS after?

There really is a point where Imelda Marcos-syndrome kicks in, I would think. Would have been fun to have been a fly-on-the-wall, I'm sure.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:17:00 (GMT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Hi Mel
Message:
Hi Jim

You're sounding decidedly civil these days !! But to answer your question....

But before?
The same reasons as we all were unable to address the issues 'before'. You know them well!

After?
For the same reason as Turner, CD, Mili, Sandy and myself (and others) have difficulty adjusting our perceptions, except (probably) enormously magnified. Remember, Marolyn has far more invested in this than us, it is literally her whole life, her family, her children her whole emotional being. At least some of us have a clear demarcation between 'Maharaji's world' and our personal lives, but she doesn't. So how difficult can it be for her?

I think your comments questioning her 'honesty' are misleading, you imply that she is reprehensibly dishonest, with a deliberate intent even. My view is that she is so swamped that she can't even comprehend an alternative to her situation. If a person can't see something, they can't be considered 'dishonest' for failing to grasp it's existance, can they? In fact they maybe incredibly honest be expressing what they do see, even if that doesn't acknowledge your perceptions.

Jim, I think you are inclined to project your own rules on to others regarding 'honesty'. If people don't see things the way you see them, then they're 'dishonest'. You may be right sometimes, but it seems that you really fail to grasp the fact that people can see the same things quite differently and can come to different conclusions given the same 'evidence'. This this does not make them dishonest or lacking in intergrity, it makes them different. Fortunately, there is no magical formula for homogeneousness, no matter how well the logic is argued.

Mel

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:31:27 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Hi Mel
Message:
Mel,

Once I heard that Marolyn used to fuck around on Maharaji, I could no longer extend her any benefit of the doubt. How could she have still respected, let alone worshipped, him at that point? Is it possible? Sure. Plausible? No.

But that's just my opinion, of course. Maybe you can imagine Marolyn honestly carrying on as the wife of the Lord of the Universe while fucking her chauffer. I can't. The hypocrisy in the cirucmstances I do call grossly dishonest. Projecting? Maybe.

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Date: Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:33:22 (GMT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Hi Mel
Message:
Point taken, Jim
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 14:00:14 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: JTF
Subject: My Reaction To This Pathetic Letter
Message:
Right off the bat Marolyn reminds me of a 1960's generation version of a very famous Marolyn, Marolyn Monroe.

She seems like the perfect representative of her husband's perverted version of the religion of 'perfect love'.

It is extremely pathetic and anger-provoking at the same time. Marolyn aka Durga Ji is apparently just as good an actress as the other Marolyn as well and the physical beauty is another parallel.

Notice how she represses all emotion and blame except for the most extreme cases where her anger is expressed. But of course, never towards her most sublime husband.

In summation, reading something like this leaves me in a state of apoplexy and shock. A teacher sitting on a stage and teaching people, including his own wife, that all problems are their own fault and that 'the breath' is the answer. Divide and conquer. He even blamed her for her aneurism in a public speech which I had the misfortune to hear.

Steve

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 15:37:24 (GMT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Steve Quint
Subject: My Reaction To This Pathetic Letter
Message:
Steve,

Could you give a closer description of what he said about her aneurism?

Thanks

Disculta

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 17:04:21 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: Disculta
Subject: My Reaction To This Pathetic Letter
Message:
He said something very close to the following:

I told Marolyn that neither I nor the kids like what happened to her and that she shouldn't do it again.

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Date: Thurs, Mar 08, 2001 at 08:10:00 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Steve Quint
Subject: pat halley shoulda used a sledgehammer.
Message:
that does it. that fuckin does it.
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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 13:40:43 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: JTF
Subject: Tough choices? NOT!
Message:
Hmmm, let's see.

Mrs Rawat thinks her farting, shitting, adulterous drunkard of a lying husband is Perfect.

OR she likes a millionaire lifestyle and will lie and cheat to hang on to it.

Hmmmmm. It's a tough call alright.

My guess: I think she has about as much respect for humanity as her partner. Are they not both filth?

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Date: Wed, Mar 07, 2001 at 21:05:54 (GMT)
From: JTF
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Filth-good word for both-NT
Message:
asdf
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