Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 03:56:40 (GMT)
From: Mar 16, 2001 To: Mar 20, 2001 Page: 5 Of: 5


Moll of Mole -:- Trouble in the ranks -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:40:15 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Fiddling while Scamaroo Burns. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:01:58 (GMT)
__ __ Malibu Barbie -:- Like bongos like at the Rock and stuff. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 15:56:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- 40 Bongos is better than a turtle and some flies. -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 13:51:31 (GMT)
__ __ Malibu Barbie -:- Like bongos like at the Rock and stuff. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 15:56:04 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- snapper turtle and swarm of flies -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:43:41 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- This is rich -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:14:46 (GMT)
__ Susan -:- thanks MofM keep them coming! (nt) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:34:33 (GMT)
__ Connie -:- Nothing new, round and round -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:32:42 (GMT)
__ __ Lesley -:- Hi Connie -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:27:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ Connie -:- Hi Lesley -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 21:33:45 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Trouble in Paradise -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:56:12 (GMT)
__ Pat Conlon -:- Trouble in the ranks thanks Moll -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:07:08 (GMT)
__ Richard -:- Agree la-ex - two thumbs up! thanx moll /nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:05:33 (GMT)
__ la-ex -:- Thanks Mole,this one's well worth reading..nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:01:13 (GMT)

E.Strobes -:- Cainer joins 'Daily Mirror.'(nt) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:18:02 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Maybe the Express will -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:20:11 (GMT)
__ __ E.Strobes -:- Never... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 13:44:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Is Rosie the dopehead still the editor there? (nt) -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 13:53:17 (GMT)

Francesca -:- Michael Donner -- re bearers of bad news -- -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:12:41 (GMT)
__ donner -:- Michael Donner -- re bearers of bad news -- -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:24:10 (GMT)
__ __ scott cronin -:- Michael Donner -- re bearers of bad news -- -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:57:54 (GMT)

Marianne -:- Thanks to all posters, esp. newbies -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:14:28 (GMT)
__ Mercedes -:- newby -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:24:00 (GMT)
__ __ salam -:- newby -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:23:26 (GMT)

Scott -:- stepping back -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 21:28:23 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Welcome to the Madhouse. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:04:41 (GMT)
__ Forum Admin -:- Confusion about Scotts -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:58:17 (GMT)
__ Susan -:- Hi Scott and welcome(nt) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:32:22 (GMT)
__ Tony Walker (Aussi Ji) -:- Welcome ol' son ,from down under. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:35:13 (GMT)
__ Selene -:- roller coaster -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:14:29 (GMT)
__ __ scott -:- roller coaster -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:40:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- oops I confused you with another Scott -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:44:35 (GMT)
__ Pat Conlon -:- Hi Scott, welcome -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:08:52 (GMT)
__ Robyn -:- stepping back -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 21:55:41 (GMT)
__ __ Tony Walker (Aussi Ji) -:- G'day gorgeous. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:40:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ Robyn -:- G'day gorgeous. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:56:00 (GMT)
__ Richard -:- Welcome Scott ! -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 21:42:43 (GMT)
__ __ Mercedes -:- Welcome Scott ! -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:29:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ moldy warp -:- Love the pop idea, and welcome to you nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:01:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cerise -:- Love the pop idea, and welcome to you nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:58:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ scott -:- Love the pop idea, and welcome to you nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:14:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Johny -:- right, this sounds like an AA gathering!! -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:12:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Scott -:- right, this sounds like an AA gathering!! -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:24:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie H. -:- Thanks, Scott, for saying that -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 21:08:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Connie -:- Well said Scott...........cheers nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:27:59 (GMT)

cq -:- Buddhist statues ... and a lot more (not OT, IMO) -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:43:06 (GMT)
__ Jethro -:- Yes just like the Black stone in Mecca -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:55:40 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- re Black stone in Mecca - I was surprised to learn -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:47:38 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- And the Blarney Stone in Eire NT -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:46:59 (GMT)
__ __ suchabanana -:- I have this, like, collection of idols, too... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:37:38 (GMT)
__ Francesca -:- Great post! n/t -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:50:50 (GMT)

Rev John Hammond-Smyth -:- The Dead Sea Scroll -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 18:42:25 (GMT)
__ Katie H. -:- Thanks for the laugh! Much needed! -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 21:00:23 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Amen Rev'. I once was blind, but I see. NT -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:49:31 (GMT)
__ Pat Conlon -:- Am ''overcome with clarity and gratitude,'' Rev NT -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:17:07 (GMT)
__ Susan -:- Amen Rev (nt) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:31:33 (GMT)
__ Tony Walker (Aussi Ji) -:- Mate,That is pretty F###ING good! nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:47:24 (GMT)
__ donner -:- The Dead Sea Scroll -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:50:13 (GMT)
__ Michael Dettmers -:- Another classic!!! I'm glad you're back (nt) -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 21:06:41 (GMT)
__ Rev John Hammond-Smyth -:- The Dead Sea Scroll - corrected version -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 21:00:13 (GMT)
__ __ Richard -:- 'he that synchroniseth unto us' - hilarious /nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:19:01 (GMT)
__ __ la-ex -:- Brilliant! Even prems have to smile a bit...nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:56:35 (GMT)
__ __ such -:- Shelley sells sea scrolls scrawled on sea strolls -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:22:05 (GMT)
__ Suchabanana -:- Dead Sea Scrawls, Prem bawls...furked tongues (mt -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:36:49 (GMT)
__ Monmot -:- The Dead Sea Scrolls Shewn.....Brilliant, Rev...nt -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:43:15 (GMT)
__ Joy -:- Love It! -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:40:23 (GMT)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Love It! -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:10:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ Joy -:- Love It! -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:05:06 (GMT)
__ Dermot -:- Haha !! nt -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 18:57:06 (GMT)

Nigel -:- Latvian night photos! -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 18:39:15 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Publish and be Damned. -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 14:00:56 (GMT)
__ JHB -:- Latvian night photos! -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:20:15 (GMT)
__ Steve Quint -:- My Contribution To The Cause -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:14:41 (GMT)
__ __ JHB -:- Aldaris Beer (OT) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:25:15 (GMT)
__ Tim G -:- Latvian night photos! -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 23:50:20 (GMT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- OK for me !! (nt) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 08:30:27 (GMT)
__ Jethro -:- Go ahead and thanks nt -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:58:13 (GMT)
__ cq -:- mug-shots aboundeth -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:20:14 (GMT)
__ Robyn -:- Latvian night photos! -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:04:13 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- (or email me to let me know...nt) -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 18:46:07 (GMT)

La-ex -:- Questions for 'Salty Mike'....(Donner)... -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 18:31:00 (GMT)
__ donner -:- Questions for 'Salty Mike'....(Donner)... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:21:18 (GMT)
__ __ donner -:- Questions for 'Salty Mike'....(Donner)... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:11:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Donner, very kind of you -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:38:47 (GMT)

GetSmart -:- You may want to see this -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 17:51:54 (GMT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Sorry about this -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:17:27 (GMT)
__ __ Richard -:- Sir Dave it's done n/t -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:28:25 (GMT)
__ Joy (Jwa) -:- Walkin Down the Line -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:49:10 (GMT)
__ __ Babs -:- Lookin' Smart, Joy -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:57:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ Joy -:- Lookin' Smart, Babs -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:11:40 (GMT)
__ Francesca -:- Here's charlie, Pat and Thelma -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:31:05 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Here's the missing link of Pat and Thelma -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:27:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ Pauline Premie -:- Those glasses are very synchronized. (nt) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:31:56 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- pic of five new ex-premies. -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:02:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- I can tell by the lack of light in your eyes (nt) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:57:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- lack of light in eyes -removed the filament NT -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:05:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Isn't that FORT FUNSTON???? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:27:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Isn't that FORT FUNSTON???? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:48:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Yep -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:53:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Yep -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:43:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Isn't that FORT FUNSTON? Yes. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:40:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Well, you looked great -- you all do (nt). -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:43:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ Francesca -:- sometimes you need to reload those geocieties -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 23:23:59 (GMT)
__ Francesca -:- You're missing mine and Pat's and Thelma's! -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:23:55 (GMT)
__ __ Marianne -:- Frannie! -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:05:35 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- tell us more.. -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:21:44 (GMT)
__ __ Richard -:- Just Walk! and GetSmart -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:38:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Will you make one for me? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:30:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ Francesca -:- Once you go to the links I gave you -- -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:06:03 (GMT)
__ __ nigel -:- You can use this one if you like... -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:31:07 (GMT)
__ Babs -:- Then and now pix -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 18:19:13 (GMT)
__ __ Tony Walker (Aussi Ji) -:- Nice photos Babs.Tell me.. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:57:18 (GMT)
__ __ Richard -:- Then and now pix - fantastic -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:36:25 (GMT)
__ __ Francesca -:- You look familiar to me too! -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:36:00 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Then and now pix -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:28:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Then and now pix - 28 years ago -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 21:22:53 (GMT)

Brian -:- Harboring a Paedophile -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:45:48 (GMT)
__ Susan -:- thanks Brian and JM (nt) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:30:39 (GMT)
__ Abi -:- Harboring a Paedophile -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:56:47 (GMT)
__ __ Joe -:- Excellent Brian, thanks. (nt) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:12:38 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- This is Great Stuff Brian. -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:54:47 (GMT)
__ __ salam -:- This is Great Stuff Brian. -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 17:12:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ Marianne -:- Excellent work -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 17:40:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Suzanne -:- Excellent work -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 23:28:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Marianne, do you remember the Catholic -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:31:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Marianne, do you remember the Catholic -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:12:59 (GMT)

to EV and REV Hammond -:- Sythe-Ides of March -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:37:43 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- Very funny -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:47:39 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- Hey! -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:57:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ Richard -:- Hey! AJW - want a GetSmart card -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:00:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ kev -:- You can have my smart card if you want. -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:25:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- It's a deal kev. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:23:52 (GMT)

Sita Ram -:- Thank you EPO -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 14:00:04 (GMT)
__ bill -:- The truth is, he 'loves' neither!....nt -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 07:53:39 (GMT)
__ friend -:- Thank you EPO (ot) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:35:01 (GMT)
__ Brian -:- You're very welcome -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 21:48:44 (GMT)
__ Michael Dettmers -:- Thank you EPO -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:45:29 (GMT)
__ G -:- then why ... -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 18:08:27 (GMT)
__ Jethro -:- Yes you are right. Since I stopped following the -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:38:55 (GMT)
__ Dodge Ram -:- Sita.................Sita........get in here.... -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:34:45 (GMT)
__ Cynthia -:- Sita: M's Pop? -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:09:20 (GMT)
__ la-ex -:- Run that one by me again, Sita ? -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:43:22 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- And that is why... -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:27:40 (GMT)
__ __ Connie -:- Anth, U crack me up sometimes ha ha nt -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:32:38 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- By that 'reasoning' ......... -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:11:24 (GMT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Nice try but have you seen this? -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 14:59:46 (GMT)
__ __ Richard -:- Apparently Shri Hans knew about Public Relations -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:13:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- The Teflon Guru - NOT -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:26:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ donner -:- The Teflon Guru - NOT -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:28:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Donner - a pwickie is -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:56:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ donner -:- Donner - a pwickie is -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:25:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Oh my, obviously we do use EPO cult lingo here /nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:04:06 (GMT)

AJW -:- In the Caves of the Cult. -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 12:29:31 (GMT)
__ Voyeur -:- In the Caves of the Cult. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:20:59 (GMT)
__ __ Brian -:- That was premie.com -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:05:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ Richard -:- Coyne has more coin than Linda G ... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 21:13:37 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- Thanks Voyeur. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:01:13 (GMT)
__ __ Richard -:- Voyeur, a question -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:44:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ Voyeur -:- Voyeur, a question -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:05:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Katie H. -:- Thanks, Voyeur - fascinating story -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:30:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Voyeur -:- Thanks, Voyeur - fascinating story -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 03:18:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- That was Harlan Ray Cooley's site -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 06:30:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Richard -:- M afraid of the web, thanks very interesting /nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:13:44 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- AGYA??? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:42:52 (GMT)
__ __ Marianne -:- Yes, AGYA to stay off F5 -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:24:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- And yet he claims he doesn't care what they do... -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 01:33:51 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- Well, if Sita Ram's got it right above ......... -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:14:52 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- LOL. See you downstairs mate. (nt) -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:29:21 (GMT)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Happened to me too! Why? -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:11:18 (GMT)
__ __ Bryn -:- 'You cant touch me, I'm a premie' -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:56:44 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- Why? Maytbe Agya J-M. -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:39:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Reprogramming exes -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:19:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Pat? Emails reminders to be 'grateful'? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:12:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Jean-Michel - Emails reminders to be 'grateful'? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:23:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Pat, deleted email may still be in the 'trash' -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:39:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Pat, deleted email may still be in the 'trash' -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:51:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Have a look in your garbage -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:43:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Jean-Michel, two days ago -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:54:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Babs -:- Too late -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:39:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Babs, we have developed anti-bodies to guru juju -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:58:58 (GMT)

Brian Smith -:- You know my name , here is my face -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 11:09:48 (GMT)
__ Brian Smith -:- I messed up the link/Sorry please try again -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 11:35:22 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- You look a bit spaced out Brian -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 11:29:01 (GMT)
__ __ Brian Smith -:- Thanks anth,Help!I am spaced out when it comes to -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 11:54:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Brian, if you -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 12:27:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Brian, Anth - see directions for making links -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:13:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Brian Smith -:- Thank you Pat,very helpful, I will try again later -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:02:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Richard -:- You went to Tahiti - cool -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:46:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Brian Smith -:- Hey Richard postie, Please email me -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 17:01:05 (GMT)

Mistress Thelma -:- Good morning -click here to get your spanking -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 10:13:43 (GMT)
__ salam -:- Good morning -click here to get your spanking -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 13:10:50 (GMT)
__ __ Thelma -:- Salam I am flattered -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:50:10 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- Mistress Thelma... -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 11:30:50 (GMT)
__ __ Katie Darling -:- You need a filament nt -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 11:32:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jethro -:- Hey!!! I was gonna say that nt -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 17:34:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ Dickie Pwickie -:- That's NOT what He means by #2! -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:16:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Thanks, that felt sooooo good! NT -:- Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:24:00 (GMT)


Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:40:15 (GMT)
From: Moll of Mole
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Trouble in the ranks
Message:
Trouble in the ranks
Hi,
I have been told by my mole (I am his moll, god I miss you “B” when are you coming home?) who works full time at Amaroo that there is trouble in the ranks. The local premies in Australia are up in arm about many things. Following is an excerpt from the local contacts box on first class. Enjoy

From First Class
Hi folks,

On another topic altogether, yes propagation, the main reason we are here . Gotta keep remembering that.

The National Propagation Plan submissions by all teams is due this Sunday 18th. I am actaually the 'returning officer' for all teams plans in Australia, and will, along with Kaye and Penny , have the job of collating all these plans.
So far, this team has not discussed any plans.

Perhaps in debating about structure, team functioning, representation etc, we actually HAVE been addressing something which surely must impact on propagation, ie the INTERNAL and EXTERNAL IMAGE of EV.

This in MY main reason for being so 'finicky' about how we do things. It all impacts on M's work.

Anyone agree? am I barking up the wrong tree.? I'm happy to listen to feedback on this.

Do we as a team have any specific inputs which may not be considered by other teams? I was thinking that perhaps as we seem to be seen by other teams as driving the National review, then perhaps we could come up with a few ideas on how the structure and nature of EV effects propagation.

As LC's we probably are the most likely people to know the wide range of attitudes and opinions held by people living in our centres, and as such represent an important grassroots barometer to EV

Those who have time (yeh right!) might like to comment on the following, heard and observed around the traps. I place them here NOT MY VIEWS, but as a rep. of a community. There seems to be a high proportion of people here who were once very active but no longer are. Propagation is hardly successful if people don't continue to practice once getting some exposure to the vaguaries of the organisation.

a) the biggest obstacle to propagation is some premies, and aspects of EV itself?
b) you need to be wealthy to practice Knowledge these days.?
c) EV is becoming more and more like an American mutilevel marketing company?
d) M is great but I can't stand EV?
e) I don't want to get involved in service because I'm sick of all the bullshit?
f) EV has become so paranoid about information being on the expremie website that even active premies are regarded with suspicion and often kept in dark when they should be informed.?

Are these people being listened to? or are they simply dismissed as 'being in their minds'. What can we do, as LCs, to help create an organisation with less internal and external PR problems?

xbruce

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:01:58 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Moll of Mole
Subject: Fiddling while Scamaroo Burns.
Message:
Thanks Moll of Mole,

All the indicators are that Amaroo is going to be a massive flop. The number of registrations has been abysmall. I imagine, if the programme goes ahead and they don't take the money and run, that the honchos will suddenly get a sick feeling in their stomachs when they realise that, out of the 600 or so premies who have shown up, most of them will be allocated to do service somewhere, and when Captain Rawat waddles onto the stage to remind everyone that if they stop breathing they'll die, he'll be talking to the backs of 40 security guys, protecting him from a snapper turtle and swarm of flies.

So, I guess, at the last minute, they'll probably open the door for free and let the bongoes in.

If I were a toe kisser, I'd show up on the day, offer them $5.00, block my ears to the sales pitch and save myself a few thousand dollars.

Anth, the party's over. It's time to call it a day.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 15:56:04 (GMT)
From: Malibu Barbie
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Like bongos like at the Rock and stuff.
Message:
Well, like yahaah! I mean, like they could let the bongos in, which would be like SOOO grooos, but like, how many bongos can there be in like the middle of noplaceville in Ozland? Like, there are literally hoards of bongos in Florida, and places like that, and like Canada and stuff. Like only 48 like people live in like Ozland? How, like, can they fill that like ampitheater if like the bongos are like in Miami and stuff?

Anth, there is a train leaving for like, the REAL WORLD evey hour!

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 13:51:31 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Malibu Barbie
Subject: 40 Bongos is better than a turtle and some flies.
Message:
It's all about bums on seats Barbie.

The Captain doesn't like it when there are not many people there for him to tell how important it is to keep breathing.

I love your name. Are you a 300 kilo, tattooed bricklayer who lives in South London?

take care,

anth who is fat and once wrote on his hand with a felt tip pen.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 15:56:04 (GMT)
From: Malibu Barbie
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Like bongos like at the Rock and stuff.
Message:
Well, like yahaah! I mean, like they could let the bongos in, which would be like SOOO grooos, but like, how many bongos can there be in like the middle of noplaceville in Ozland? Like, there are literally hoards of bongos in Florida, and places like that, and like Canada and stuff. Like only 48 like people live in like Ozland? How, like, can they fill that like ampitheater if like the bongos are like in Miami and stuff?

Anth, there is a train leaving for like, the REAL WORLD evey hour!

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:43:41 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: snapper turtle and swarm of flies
Message:
beautiful rhythm there bard. Also a good description of the Maharaja and his Malibu Mob.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:14:46 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Moll of Mole
Subject: This is rich
Message:
EV has become so paranoid about information being on the expremie website that even active premies are regarded with suspicion and often kept in dark when they should be informed.?

Paranoia, paranoia, paranoia. Did anyone mention this is a typical characteristic of a cult? But I have to chuckle that EV is so freaked about us. It's so funny.

If I was a premie, I would have to be thinking: What IS it that is so goddamed secret that they would freak if it became public knowledge? I mean, what is it about something that is supposed to be open, and about love, and peace, and THAT PLACE, that you have to be paranoid that it might be exposed? What IS the big deal?

At least in the old days, when we publicly declared that Maharaji was God and come to save the world, we didn't have to be paranoid and secretive. At least we were open. At least we didn't have computerized ID cards, and 'member-only' events, and secret, ultra-protected lines of communication. At least we didn't lie in our public pronouncements. We might have been crazed cult members, but at least we didn't act like some kind of extremely incompetent KGB.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:34:33 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Moll of Mole
Subject: thanks MofM keep them coming! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:32:42 (GMT)
From: Connie
Email: None
To: Moll of Mole
Subject: Nothing new, round and round
Message:
This type of talk is nothing new, just formatted into the current jargon. Been hearing the same stuff for years and years and years ad infinitum, just out of the different mouths of those who rise up to take over from the last defeated ones.

What is new (or maybe this is just a replay too?) is that they are really scared, many loyal followers are NOT HAPPY and VERY DISTRESSED and wondering what the hell is going on.

The team thing perhaps is a triangle (ah yes, surely evolution, remember that other triangle). What m wanted it to be - control and shut up device, what those 'in the know' understand it as - indoctrination, patronization and weeding out 'bad seeds', and what the 'simple' pwk think it should be - everyone has an equal voice, this will finally get things moving. Hah what an ironic situation. Somethings got to give eventually. After all, people are only human.

So sad.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:27:01 (GMT)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: Connie
Subject: Hi Connie
Message:
When I read something like that it resonates with me. What is new? what is new is that 'xbruce' is finally walking himself out of the cult he is in. As you say, doomed to be defeated, he nonetheless looks close to winning a real victory for himself!

All the best, Lesley

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 21:33:45 (GMT)
From: Connie
Email: None
To: Lesley
Subject: Hi Lesley
Message:
Glad to hear it and all power to him I say.

Take care

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:56:12 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Connie
Subject: Trouble in Paradise
Message:
You said: ''The team thing perhaps is a triangle (ah yes, surely evolution, remember that other triangle). What m wanted it to be - control and shut up device, what those 'in the know' understand it as - indoctrination, patronization and weeding out 'bad seeds', and what the 'simple' pwk think it should be - everyone has an equal voice, this will finally get things moving. Hah what an ironic situation. Somethings got to give eventually. After all, people are only human.''

The team thing is what got me back into it thinking naively that it would be run democratically in a civilized way. It took me a year to figure out that M has the same idea about committees as Lenin. ''Committees are to shut up the trouble-makers and make them think that they are doing something. It is also a way of postponing decisions.''

Like glasnost and perestroika in USSR and ''dialogue'' in apartheid South Africa, the new ''team'' consciousness was a two-edged sword and it has opened a can of worms and the worms are saying I want out.

PS Sorry about the mixed metaphors. Never use a sword to open a can of worms.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:07:08 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Moll of Mole
Subject: Trouble in the ranks thanks Moll
Message:
You could see this coming a year ago.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:05:33 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Moll of Mole
Subject: Agree la-ex - two thumbs up! thanx moll /nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:01:13 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Moll of Mole
Subject: Thanks Mole,this one's well worth reading..nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:18:02 (GMT)
From: E.Strobes
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Cainer joins 'Daily Mirror.'(nt)
Message:
eye
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:20:11 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: E.Strobes
Subject: Maybe the Express will
Message:
run the 'Guru. Cult. Paedophile.' Story after all.

Anth from hackwatch.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 13:44:55 (GMT)
From: E.Strobes
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Never...
Message:
...thought of that. Bon point.

E.Strobes

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 13:53:17 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: E.Strobes
Subject: Is Rosie the dopehead still the editor there? (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:12:41 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Michael Donner
Subject: Michael Donner -- re bearers of bad news --
Message:
Your posts have helped explain the horribly disjointed experience I went through as a relatively new premie during the post-Millenium Bhole Ji's band, family feud phase. I'm not saying I didn't bring an incredible messed up young woman (myself) to the table in all this, but M's manipulative and self-serving behavior certainly didn't help matters.

As I've expressed in several posts, we got extremely mixed messages. We were told repeatedly by premies that were sent as messengers, or indirectly through premies that did service at the res, that M was extremely displeased and that we should leave Bhole Ji.

Yet when he came to one of the apartments we rented in an apartment complex in Thousand Oaks where we were living, and I and many of us thought that we were finally going to get an answer straight from the horse's mouth, an answer we could trust, he played the coy, loving Satguru, being very sweet, soaking up and eliciting the love and devotion. Beaming, etc. Not a word about displeasure with the band, or our staying with his brother, Bhole Ji.

I sat at his feet and 'blissed out,' and I thought the DLM folks must have been crazy. Seizing our equipment. Following us around. Now I see that this is one of the patterns you spoke of. Someone else to be the messenger, the good cop-bad cop thing. Often a scapegoat, but not him if he could help it. He was too hooked on the devotion, on his role. The candyman.

(To be fair, ol' Saddle-pal, Mata Ji and Bhole Ji weren't exactly a straight shooters in all of this, either.)

Whether he meant to or not, he sure messed over my mind. He was not at all qualified to be a Master or teacher of anyone. And I really don't believe anything has changed except that maybe he is now merely an innocuous motivational speaker getting paid millions and living like a king for spouting his drivel about breath -- to some. Although I think for many who were there through the Lord of the Universe days, Arti, 'Peace and Bliss is Saguru,' there will always be more than a subliminal message in those slo mo vids of his shining face.

Yes he can't erase his past, and the trail of damage he's done. And I believe the taint of the conceit of who he really believes himself to be (obviously someone very special, to accept the rich life that he has). As the saying goes, 'you can run, but you can't hide.'

The one thing I can say is that I'm probably better off than he is so I should feel a bit more sorry for him. I came to him with substance abuse problems, and by practicing K, and going to satsang, removed them even before I received K. He's got substance abuse problems. I probably also meditate more than he does, but that's no great shakes, because if what I hear is correct, that wouldn't take much meditation to accomplish.

I used to say to people that if M was proven to be a fraud, my meditation experiences were real. Even though I don't practice the K style any more, I still have to say that I have a lot of great friends, my husband, and a daily meditation habit that was started in 1973. I'm not sure he gets any credit for that, but I don't want to be a sore 'looser.'

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:24:10 (GMT)
From: donner
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Michael Donner -- re bearers of bad news --
Message:
a very good example of his usual divide and conquer style...discredit and trash those trying their best to help him.

many of my best friends,including partner/wife Marsha are from my dlm days. the power of doing so much togehter was very binding.
in retrospect, it feels to me that most of what we learned and have carried forword into our current lives (my current life) was
is due, not to m personally, rather his message/ideal we heard and lots of it in spite of him...overcoming him and being willing to hold on to the true love that i discovered while there..for me that is jeff, teddy, joe, dic, michael, gary, don, etc etc.etc. loving and nuturing myself, empowering myself. all in spite of his best efforts to try to get me to leave, ignore, refect, all but him.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:57:54 (GMT)
From: scott cronin
Email: None
To: donner
Subject: Michael Donner -- re bearers of bad news --
Message:
Micheal:ditto/bravo re: the valuable friendships forged as a result of M.involvement. I'm in the process of examining motives and outcomes and will look forward to your insights. I've been pretty lame and remiss in maintaining my liasons and intimacies eg. Gary O./Neese, Peter Dettmers, better w/Teddy. Anyway. thankyou for the reminder of integrity as it applies to loved ones and valued cohorts and being true to ones instincts. You do have good salt in your veins, keep your sodium content intact and give my love to Marsha, my old friend from Eugene,Or.regards,Scott Cronin
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:14:28 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: delores@gofree.indigo.ie
To: Everyone
Subject: Thanks to all posters, esp. newbies
Message:
In the last year, I've made repeated posts asking premie lurkers, and especially present and former PAMS to post here. I've asked them to do that because I believe that the reports of new people, and especically the former PAMS, have the power to change to course of lives that perhaps should have been directed to other, more meaningful pursuits. I made these pleas because I was a first hand witness to how those around Jim Jones misled those in Peoples Temple to believe Jones was divine, and encouraged his followers to go to Guyana and there end their lives.

I thank the recent peon premies (I was one too) who have posted, and have chimed in to bear witness how thier lives were affected by involvement in the cult. Your stories resonate with most of us, as most of us had no access to the Lord of the Universe.

I also thank the 3 Mikes, and others at the top, who have torn the myths away from the supposed Satguru. You are in the best position to inform and educate people about the choices they have made in following Captain Rawat. While our Journeys are powerful informational sources, your direct experiences help people to see the truth about his behavior. Thank you for having the courage to speak out.

Marianne

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:24:00 (GMT)
From: Mercedes
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: newby
Message:
thanks Marianne, I am really new, I walked after Oxnard in January. This website has been and continues to be of great help to me. I am not alone it is not easy to get away from the programming in our heads. I am blessed because I have a wonderful therapist who has worked with me without critizising my involvement with m and ev. Finally she can really support me in exiting. it is damn hard.
So Thank you All. I am glad you are here.
Mercedes
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:23:26 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Mercedes
Subject: newby
Message:
I have not been following on what has been happening lately on f5, but it looks like their are a lot of new people posting. Anyone can update me on who is who? (I know it's a difficult thing to ask)
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 21:28:23 (GMT)
From: Scott
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: stepping back
Message:
hello all: This has been a roller coaster of an internal process. Feeling my own arc from curious-lurker-voyeur to pissed off premie (pop) then deeply saddened and disappointed, then a flurry of memories and images that constitute my relationship with m. and back again starting from the top.I must admit that until MVD posted it was fairly easy for me to question the validity of most of what was put on F5.Not that the experiences or sources were dubious, more that the picture painted of PWK didn't describe me or my wife or the PWK's i associate with or my own experience of M.But, like Erika I've tried to remain sensitive to signs of unfairness and disrespect in the treatment of others and have tried not to be a passive observer when witnessing others falling victim to others insensitivities.Needless, to say, the accounts of M.'s treatment of others have raised my back hairs The presence of Micheal&Micheal on this site has another degree of emotional connection for me besides their 'in the room' credibility.Dettmers, your brother Peter and I were very close friends at Deca as you may know. Donner, as may know, I was Garys best man and E & I were/are..? dearly close to Gary/Neese and fam.so there is a resonence I can't deny. Anyway, I just wanted to make a statement of presence rather than remain a rubber-necker on this freeway. Scott
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:04:41 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Scott
Subject: Welcome to the Madhouse.
Message:
Freedom in action. Doncha just love it.

Anth who was only sane for three days- then they put the electric needles in.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:58:17 (GMT)
From: Forum Admin
Email: None
To: Scott
Subject: Confusion about Scotts
Message:
Scott,

We already have a Scott who's been posting here as Scott for some years. Could you choose a different name please? Maybe add an initial (needn't be real, or of course if you want to give your full name you are welcome - but don't feel pressure to do so!!).

Forum Admin

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:32:22 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Scott
Subject: Hi Scott and welcome(nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:35:13 (GMT)
From: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Email: None
To: Scott
Subject: Welcome ol' son ,from down under.
Message:
G'day Scott,
Mate,it only gets better from this point on.After you get past the initial roller coaster shit ride it is plain sailing past that point.Yippee!Freedom is soooo nice.

Cheers mate,
Tony.

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:14:29 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Scott
Subject: roller coaster
Message:
I know how it goes. But I'm wondering, did you leave M before the 90's ? Only ask because at that point the behavior was somehow more obvious, at least in the PAMmies and other premies. So although I feel badly for some of the nicer people still stuck in it, I haven't questioned the idea of M himself being fake for a long time.
Anyway enjoy the ride.
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:40:34 (GMT)
From: scott
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: roller coaster
Message:
selene: Let me clarify.I am a premie now. So I guess the answer to your question is: As of 3/16/01 at 5:50pm est i am a premie and today Maharaji is my teacher.And yes, it is a roller coast and I've never been a big fan of amusing park rides, literal or figuritive. thanks for the heart felt support.
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:44:35 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: scott
Subject: oops I confused you with another Scott
Message:
Who just left forum or is taking a break, something. Anyway my support is sincere.
Best wishes Scott.
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:08:52 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: pdconlon@yahoo.com
To: Scott
Subject: Hi Scott, welcome
Message:
I'm looking forward to hearing more from you.
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 21:55:41 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Scott
Subject: stepping back
Message:
Dear Scott,
Welcome even though it seems to come with great sadness you have made a huge step. I wish you, your wife and those you love that are in the cult or in the process of exiting, good luck and much compassion and understanding.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:40:56 (GMT)
From: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: G'day gorgeous.
Message:
G'day Robyn,
You are so nice to newbies Robyn.I remember you greeting me in a similar way when i first posted.Keep up the kindness,you are very adept at it.
Cheers from your aussi mate, Tony.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:56:00 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Subject: G'day gorgeous.
Message:
Dear Tony,
Thank you so much. :) Lordy, there are so many new folks posting I am afraid I can't keep up! Not that I'm complaining mind you! I'm thrilled!
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 21:42:43 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Scott
Subject: Welcome Scott !
Message:
Your rubber necker time here was well spent it seems as mine was. Credibility-wise the recent months have seen more than can read some days. The playful spirit still abounds as well.

Welcome.

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:29:43 (GMT)
From: Mercedes
Email: None
To: Scott
Subject: Welcome Scott !
Message:
Hi Scott, welcome. It is a difficult step to take and you may wonder whether it was the right step. I say it is definitely. Keep on coming and talking about it. I find tremendous support here and in other places like therapy and group. Anyway you are not alone as they say.
Mercedes
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:01:57 (GMT)
From: moldy warp
Email: None
To: Scott
Subject: Love the pop idea, and welcome to you nt
Message:
X
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:58:58 (GMT)
From: cerise
Email: None
To: moldy warp
Subject: Love the pop idea, and welcome to you nt
Message:
Talk about SAD! The last few posts confirm the AA mentality prvailing here.
Don't forget folks - you're not allowed another drop!!
Yea, I'll bet you won't. Let's just wait and see eh?
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:14:39 (GMT)
From: scott
Email: None
To: cerise
Subject: Love the pop idea, and welcome to you nt
Message:
Cerises; Your response was somewhat cryptic, maybe i'm thick, please clarify and expand on what you meant by 'Yea, I'll bet you won't. let's just wait and see'... Thankyou in advantage for your further articulation. S.C.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:12:22 (GMT)
From: Johny
Email: None
To: cerise
Subject: right, this sounds like an AA gathering!!
Message:
spot on Cerise, the 'emotional support' syrup is quite sickening. Did theses people REALLY have K once? I doubt that. Still it's as entertaining as Jerry Springer at least!
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:24:00 (GMT)
From: Scott
Email: None
To: Johny
Subject: right, this sounds like an AA gathering!!
Message:
.... thankyou, for those of you who have experienced the benefit of the 12 step process or have had a family member who has escaped addiction via AA, you may look at the comparison/association with less sarcasm than is being expressed.And for those of you who view it as saccharin and smarmy, well let's raise a toast to all that is cornball...S.C.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 21:08:40 (GMT)
From: Katie H.
Email: None
To: Scott
Subject: Thanks, Scott, for saying that
Message:
AA saved my mother's life - literally. And AA meetings are not all sweetness and light - there is confrontation going on too. Some people have a very hard time attending AA because of the level of truth they are forced to face. (That said, AA isn't for everyone.)

I appreciated your first post above, as well. I know there are many people who have NOT had a bad experience with M or K (and a lot of them will come onto the forum and say it.) The fact remains that even though these people may not have had a bad experience, other people did (and do), and I think it's important to recognize this - and to recognize what it says about Maharaji as a 'leader' or 'teacher'.

Take care -
Katie H.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:27:59 (GMT)
From: Connie
Email: None
To: Scott
Subject: Well said Scott...........cheers nt
Message:
grrr
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:43:06 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Buddhist statues ... and a lot more (not OT, IMO)
Message:
Now that the joke's well and truly spoiled ... you were right, Jim, sometimes a joke doesn't come across as it was intended.

But, no praise, no blame, as they say ... and why don't we take a wider look at the background of this whole issue? (and before you say 'because...', take a rain-check on that emotion if you will, and read on):


A Zen Buddhist story goes:

While staying at a shrine, master Tan-hsia was feeling cold, so he took a wooden statue of the Buddha off the altar and threw it into the fire.

The keeper of the shrine was dismayed and angry. In response, the master began looking among the ashes.
'What are you doing?' inquired the keeper of the Shrine.

'Looking for holy relics in the ashes,' replied the master.

'You won't find them in the ashes of a wooden statue,' said the Keeper.

'If that is so,' the master concluded, 'can I have another of couple of Buddhas for the fire to keep me warm?'

.
.
.

So Buddhists (those of the Zen persuasion anyway) recognise that the worship of images is, in and of itself, no indicator of true spirituality.

But let me tell you this true story.

A friend of mine has, on her mantlepiece, a wooden statue, about 10 inches tall, of the Virgin Mary. It was carved by an inmate of one the many Nazi concentration camps that existed during the second world war (I forget which particular camp, but could find out if necessary). I'm not sure it goes without saying, but the fact is that Hitler's victims were not always Jewish.

Anyway, one night I'm looking at this hideous piece of wood (I say hideous, because that's how it looked - I guess carving implements weren't too easy to come by in the camp, and the person who created it was in no way a professional sculptor). And I think of all the horror and terror that surrounded its carving. And I think of the story about the wooden Buddha.

What to do? I could throw this reminder of the inhumanity that humanity is so regularly capable of into the fire. And maybe think of myself as being one crazy, confrontative, Zen-diggin dude. But in so doing, what would I be destroying?

That piece of wood meant something to its creator. Something valid. Precious too? Undoubtedly.

That statue is more than just a graven image. It tells a whole story about what the human race is capable of.

It's part of our genetic history.

Fortunately, it still stands on my friend's mantlepiece. To tell us something about who we all are, and what we're all capable of.

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:55:40 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Yes just like the Black stone in Mecca
Message:
is holy for Muslims.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:47:38 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: re Black stone in Mecca - I was surprised to learn
Message:
that the Black Stone - or Ka'aba - isn't just a solid block.

from http://www.raisudeen.homepage.com/kaba.htm :

Dr. Muzammil Siddiqi is the president of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). He had the opportunity to go inside the Kaba in October
1998. In an interview with Sound Vision, he described the following features:

-there are two pillars inside (others report 3 pillars)

-there is a table on the side to put items like perfume

-there are two lantern-type lamps hanging from the ceiling

-the space can accommodate about 50 people

-there are no electric lights inside

-the walls and floors are of marble

-there are no windows inside

-there is only one door

-the upper inside walls of the Kaba were covered with some kind of curtain with the Kalima written on it

I know next to nothing about what it's meant to represent though. Where's Salam when you need him?

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:46:59 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: And the Blarney Stone in Eire NT
Message:
k
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:37:38 (GMT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: I have this, like, collection of idols, too...
Message:
When I moved, this guy says, 'where do you want me to put your idols?' They were garden statues of Buddha and Confucius.

idolatry is in the mind of the be wholer...

Peace and lentils,

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:50:50 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Great post! n/t
Message:
n/t
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 18:42:25 (GMT)
From: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Email: pulpit@church.com
To: Everyone
Subject: The Dead Sea Scroll
Message:
And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto his church of Elan Vital and sayeth - 'Write an scripture unto my teams so that they might know how best to worship me.' And the team leaders and scribes of Elan Vital were overcome with clarity and gratitude for they were bored stiff and had been falling asleep in their meditations.

'Now we can shew the Lord that we are his instruments' they said 'And now we can impress those heathens in the land of Ex-prem and shew them that our Lord is the one true God who we do not worship or follow.' And so they set about their divine and holy task of writing the scripture.

And it was after much labouring that they had almost finished the scripture and it was shewn to Glen of Whittaker and he saw that it was good.

And Glen sayeth 'Verily we destroyeth all traces of the old cult that didst come from India with the Mahatmas and other infidels. For now we are a modern organisation with propogation developement strategy who showeth the way to clarity, and he that synchroniseth unto us shall forever be in the light.' And Glen thought this sounded good so he writeth more and more and he blisseth out in his service to the Lord.

And it came to pass that when the Ides of March didst cometh, Glen putteth down his pen and sayeth, 'O Lord above who dwelleth in Malibu, surely thou art pleased with thine humble servant now for I laboureth day and night in thine divine service.'

And behold, the Lord didst give a sign unto Glen that his great work was finished for he phoneth Glen and ordereth another container load of Cognac.

And it came to pass that Glen went forth unto the children of Prem and showeth them the divine scripture. And the children of Prem all fell upon their knees as one team and sayeth, 'Great art thou O Glen of Whittaker, great is thine understanding and remit that thou canst write this pack of materials unto thine team leaders thereof. Verily, thy Post Knowledge Care team hath been blessed by our Lord, and thy synchronised ushers hath been shewn the way to perfermance developement therein.'

'Behold, thy proposals for improvement through rationalisation and development of existing channels hath brought forth the grace of our Lord into our midst. Thy information on events, materials and participation opportunities hath opened mine eyes to the glory of the Lord.'

And lo, the team leaders of Prem all spake in tongues to communicate information on tools available to support propagation. And no man knoweth what they say.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 21:00:23 (GMT)
From: Katie H.
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Thanks for the laugh! Much needed!
Message:
Brian and I were rolling on the floor as we read it simultaneously! I also 'outed' you to him - he didn't know. Sir David, you're brilliant. Looking forward to more sermons.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:49:31 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Amen Rev'. I once was blind, but I see. NT
Message:
see
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:17:07 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Am ''overcome with clarity and gratitude,'' Rev NT
Message:
j
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:31:33 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Amen Rev (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:47:24 (GMT)
From: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Mate,That is pretty F###ING good! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:50:13 (GMT)
From: donner
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: The Dead Sea Scroll
Message:
excellent
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 21:06:41 (GMT)
From: Michael Dettmers
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Another classic!!! I'm glad you're back (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 21:00:13 (GMT)
From: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: The Dead Sea Scroll - corrected version
Message:
In the interests of clarity, I've corrected some of the mistakes in the Old English for our scribe, Roger of Drek. The correct full version is below:

And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto his church of Elan Vital and sayeth - 'Write an scripture unto my teams that they might know how best to worship me.' And the team leaders and scribes of Elan Vital were overcome with clarity and gratitude for they were bored stiff and had been falling asleep in their meditations.

'Now we can shew the Lord that we are his instruments' they said 'And now we can impress those heathens in the land of Ex-prem and shew them that our Lord is the one true God who we do not worship or follow.' And so they set about their divine and holy task of writing the scripture.

And it was after much labouring that they had almost finished the scripture and it was shewn to Glen of Whittaker and he saw that it was good.

And Glen sayeth 'Verily we destroyeth all traces of the old cult that didst come from India with the Mahatmas and other infidels. For now we are a modern organisation with propogation developement strategy who showeth the way to clarity, and he that synchroniseth unto us shall forever be in the light.' And Glen thought this sounded good so he writeth more and more and he blisseth out in his service to the Lord.

And it came to pass that when the Ides of March didst cometh, Glen putteth down his pen and sayeth, 'O Lord above who dwelleth in Malibu, surely thou art pleased with thy humble servant now for I laboureth day and night in thy divine service.'

And behold, the Lord didst give a sign unto Glen that his great work was finished for he phoneth Glen and ordereth another container load of Cognac.

And it came to pass that Glen went forth unto the children of Prem and showeth them the divine scripture. And the children of Prem all fell upon their knees as one team and sayeth, 'Great art thou O Glen of Whittaker, great is thy understanding and remit that thou canst write this pack of materials unto thy team leaders thereof. Verily, thy Post Knowledge Care team hath been blessed by our Lord, and thy synchronised ushers hath been shewn the way to perfermance developement therein.'

'Behold, thy proposals for improvement through rationalisation and development of existing channels hath brought forth the grace of our Lord into our midst. Thy information on events, materials and participation opportunities hath opened mine eyes to the glory of the Lord.'

And lo, the team leaders of Prem all spake in tongues to communicate information on tools available to support propagation. And no man knoweth what they say.


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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:19:01 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: 'he that synchroniseth unto us' - hilarious /nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:56:35 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Brilliant! Even prems have to smile a bit...nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:22:05 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Shelley sells sea scrolls scrawled on sea strolls
Message:
good on you, Rev mate
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:36:49 (GMT)
From: Suchabanana
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Dead Sea Scrawls, Prem bawls...furked tongues (mt
Message:
mt
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:43:15 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: The Dead Sea Scrolls Shewn.....Brilliant, Rev...nt
Message:
mm
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:40:23 (GMT)
From: Joy
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Love It!
Message:
That's great, Rev.

Glad to see you back in form!
Love,
Joy

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:10:03 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Joy
Subject: Love It!
Message:
Joy, it really isn't fair, you know. I mean you don't even need to be a satirist to take the Mickey out of Elan Vital - they seem to write their own satire. Talk about feeding me the lines!

Man, it's too easy. I reckon they must have an ex-premie plant up there in the Elan Vital offices, writing all this stuff.

And one more thing Joy. Did you have to use a twenty year old photograph of yourself on your get-smart card. Like when was that photo taken? 1970s I bet.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:05:06 (GMT)
From: Joy
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Love It!
Message:
Sorry to disappoint you, Dave, that photo was taken in 1999, at the wedding of some [ex]premie friends, Jean & Jon Lippett, down in Somerset. I'm often told I don't look my age (though that seems to be changing rapidly as middle age sets in), and had observed that in a number of other premies also (Sharon Stokke, someone you don't know but Joe does) springs to mind. I had heard that it was a by-product of meditation, but my hunch is just genes, since my sister also looks quite young.
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 18:57:06 (GMT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Rev John Hammond-Smyth
Subject: Haha !! nt
Message:
xx
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 18:39:15 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Everyone
Subject: Latvian night photos!
Message:
I have some GREAT pictures of the big night. If you were at last weekend's Latvian bash (or have a vague recollection that you might have been there) I have at least one picture of you. However, several people present requested their photos should not appear on the web, and so to play safe I won't be posting anything until I have checked with everyone by email first.

It would save me a lot of time if anyone who:

(a) doesn't mind their image going on-line, or
(b) doesn't mind their image being forwarded to other exes via email, or
(c) would like me to send them some pictures...

...could let me know on this thread, giving email if I don't have it already.
Thanks

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 14:00:56 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Publish and be Damned.
Message:
Hi Nigel,

Obviously I'd prefer none of the pictures which show me involved in illegal activities being published until after my death.

I don't think you can see my face in the one with the goat, so that's no problem.

Otherwise, 'Publish and be Damned'.

Anth, you'll have to talk to my agent.

ps. Did you get any pics of the spies?

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:20:15 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Latvian night photos!
Message:
Nigel,

You can post all photos of me except the one of me practising the 7th technique while snorting Latvian Balzams in Kelly and Marainne's bedroom.

John.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:14:41 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: Nigel
Subject: My Contribution To The Cause
Message:
Sorry I couldn't be there but here are three contenders for EPO logo.

Please scroll down a couple of screens.

Steve

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:25:15 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Steve Quint
Subject: Aldaris Beer (OT)
Message:
Steve,

Did you know I was the sole importer of Aldaris beer to the UK for three years until I moved to Latvia last year? The beers are still available from Baltic Agencies of Felixstowe (contact Martin@balticagencies.co.uk) (Blatant advertisement)

John who drinks other Latvian beers now.

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 23:50:20 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: timgitti@indigo.ie
To: Nigel
Subject: Latvian night photos!
Message:
Hi Nigel, is that yourself as we say over here
Publish and be damned say I, no problem.
Easy for me to say as I was rigorously sober but very much alert and enjoyed meeting you all...it smacked of a school reunion not that I've been to one.
Someone HAS to write the book and I volunteer Anth or yourself.
Sometimes in reverie I see my pinstripe suit caked in vomit and dried in the Indian sun after an over-refreshment of Mataji's Prasad...nothing that a trip to the Divine Dry Cleaners couldn't cure.
Were we all taken to the cleaners?
Now I see clearly that all paths religions systems goals and ideals have to be given the old heave-ho before even starting to see where we are. Socrates wasn't such a dumbo after all when he stumbled on 'Know Thyself'...and not someone else's
Love to all, Tim
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 08:30:27 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: jmkahn@club-internet.fr
To: Tim G
Subject: OK for me !! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:58:13 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Go ahead and thanks nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:20:14 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: mug-shots aboundeth
Message:
yo!

include me in ...

and here's one of me (and an aquaintance) for all Forum readers/contributors/lurkers ... or whatever.

Hey Nige - what did I miss at Latvian nite? (leaving at around midnite, as I did, - with both shoes firmly on, BTW)

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:04:13 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Latvian night photos!
Message:
Dear Nig,
I THINK I was there but not sure I'd show up in any photos. If I do please send. You have my email. :)
Love,
Robyn the spirit entity
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 18:46:07 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Nigel
Subject: (or email me to let me know...nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 18:31:00 (GMT)
From: La-ex
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Questions for 'Salty Mike'....(Donner)...
Message:
Hi Mike-

Maybe we can call you 'Salty Mike', so we don't get you confused with the other guy, 'Cerebral Mike'...

Thanks for taking the questions.
Some of these have been asked of Mike Dettmers, but I think it is valuable to continue to ask them of others, to see if their experiences were the same, or if they have anything else to add...
Here's a few for starters...

1)Drinking:
Did you say that Maharaji was drinking EVERY DAY, from 1972 on?
Was he drinking regularly from the age of about 14 or 15 on?
Did you see him drinking at the Millenium Festival, as Sophia Collier reported in Soul Rush?

When you say he has a drinking problem, can you be specific?
(The reason I ask this is because a 'drinking problem' means many different things to many people. If you state specifically what you saw, I think it helps so much more for people to get an accurate picture of M in his personal life.)

I have the same questions about drug use.
How much?
What drugs?
How often? (recreational, or habitual, in your opinion)
Any outrageous party stories?

Did any of the PAMS ever talk about how strange and hypocritical M's off stage behavior seemed, in contrast to his stern,and at times 'fire and brimstone' presence on stage?
Was it hard to go out into the communities and present the 'staight, SS&M premie' approach, when you knew that life at the Rez was far different?

Ashram premies, for the most part, would have been appalled to learn of these things at that time. Was it hard to keep the secret?(not judging you, just wondering how I could have done it...guess it was AGYA, and kind of clandestine fun in a way..)

2)Affairs:
Was Maharaji having affairs since 1977, as Mark has suggested?
Are you comfortable commenting on the procurement of women for M, as Mike Dettmers has?
When. How many, how were they treated afterwards?
Have any of them spoken up? Or been given special treats, to NOT speak?
Were you ever in touch with Claudia after the break up?
Was it true that she wanted to write a book called 'From Riches to Rags'?

3)Hit and Run in India:
Can you confirm and or elaborate more on this issue?
Was it ever talked about further?
Did M ever talk to you about it?

4)Jagdeo:
Do you have anything to add to the Jagdeo/sexual abuse accusations?

5)Maharaji's moral sense:
Did you, or anyone ever talk to Maharaji about his seeming lack of ethics and hypocritical actions?
I heard that someone at the residence questioned M about this and that M responded 'I'm not here to follow your middle class morality trip'.(Kind of like when he told the wood shop teacher he wasn't here to 'chop wood'....)
Does that sound about right?
The sense I am getting is that when someone was around Maharaji, they just followed orders and tried not to think too much about ethics.Morality was just doing what the 'boss' wanted...he has his own special code...(or lack of one)....

6)Did anyone ever tell Maharaji off?
Do you know of anyone who ever really just levelled him? Really just confronted him about all of his bullshit?
Mike Dettmers is the only one I ever heard of, but I'm wondering if anyone ever really got in his face, and told him he was full of shit, and that he was a hypocrite.(I respect Mike Dettmers for his actions...just wondering if you or anyone else ever did anything similar..)

7)Special Powers/Miracles:
Although we were told of M's supposed spiritual powers,we certainly never saw any. Did you ever witness any?

For instance, there used to be this story about someone (I think it was John Miller) who was driving M around the hills of Malibu. M said: drive off the cliff, and he did. They drove off the cliff in Malibu, and landed in an alleyway in NYC.(M said he could turn the universe around for a premie if he only believed) Ever hear that one? Did you ever witness anything resembling miraculous or spiritual powers around him?
Did he ever talk about them?

8)Your personal friendship with Maharaji:
I know this is personal, but anything you might share about any of your personal interactions with him, would be helpful.
Good, bad or ugly....

9)The Future:
Where do you think this thing is going?
In your opinion, what do you think is the best thing that could happen right now, or in the near future?
You suggested in 1987, in your letter, that maybe everybody could get together and talk.
M obviously isn't big on this.
Do you think he will ever really open up and put all the cards on the table?
I know that sounds idealistic, but I think at this point, the dam is ready to burst, and honesty may become the only policy left for him to salvage the sinking ship.
Would you suggest something, or agree to become part of something between exes and M?
Where do you see him going from here? Just curious...

10)M's personal power/appeal:
In retrospect, and with your personal experiences with him, how would you describe his abilities or talents?
Some people look at him like a god, others as a complete fraud, who came here as the figurehead of a hindu cult.

Even after the family split, he did continue to 'cast a spell' for years over many smart, talented and well intentioned people.
How would you describe that?
Were we all so needy for some sort of spiritual authority in our lives?
Was the experience so powerful?
Group dynamics, group highs?
We were all still tripping, after all those years doing drugs?

I'm just curious for your opinion.
I've got mine,as we all do, but people who were around him in his private life definitely have something unique to share.

It's for that reason I'm asking these questions.
Thanks for reading them.
Anything you can add helps many people in many ways.

Thanks, La-ex
Have a nice weekend...

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:21:18 (GMT)
From: donner
Email: None
To: La-ex
Subject: Questions for 'Salty Mike'....(Donner)...
Message:
hi la ex sat. am and beginning to work on your 20 questions...big later
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:11:27 (GMT)
From: donner
Email: None
To: la ex
Subject: Questions for 'Salty Mike'....(Donner)...
Message:
yes, some or most of what you have asked has been addressed by dettmers and myself to some extend earlier...preface to say that i concur completely with dettmers' accounts, their accuracy and the tone of his replies.

1. drinking? my personal experience is that m has been drinking since i began in denver in 1973...told then by bob mishler that he was drinking daily...that is daily...since he arrived in america.
i know that it was daily...that his daily routine was created around his evening drinking...usually always began about 5pm...minimum 4 or 5 very large shots (probably 2-3 oz per drink) each evening, before dinner...usually later in evening about 9pm
interesting by the way that he never or extremely rarely if ever eat with his children. they were feed earlier.
so he drank cognac every evening til dinner, sometimes after dinner.
often he would drink more, never less.

2. at the millenium program? yes, in houston at the residence he drank daily. i never saw him in all the years drink at any program until after he spoke...then always after. michael Dettmers might know otherwise and i would believe him.
i never experienced m give 'satsang' while drunk or drinking.
dettmers talked about his personality change with more then the usual drink and i certainly witnessed that often enough.
the scene was comical/pathetic (in retrospect). alvaro or john miller would bring a crystal glass out to the dinning room, m at the end of the table, perhaps a couple people sitting against the walls of the dinning room...sometimes 5 or 6. the glass would be on a smallish tray with the glass covered (all the way from the kitchen to the dining room). the serving premie would have the other hand over the heart...the glass placed on the table in front of m and the server bowing with eyes closed....backing out of the room. i witnesed this ritual countless times.

2. drinking problem? you be the judge...my experience was that his whole schedule was set up...covertly around his drinking time.

3. drug use? i witnesed m smoking pot beginning 1973 (my witnessing began then). how often...not sure really, lots more then i saw i know for sure. most likely often weekly during most of the time i was around (1984...then i left and got married, returned as part time instructor til 87 and saw little during those years except it was the same when i was around sometimes as an x-rated premie til 1987).
i personally doubt that m ever tried acid or stronger then hash drugs. not his style to be that out of control. anyways, i have no personal knowledge of anything except pot and hashish nor did i ever hear of more between 1973-87.
hashish was added to a yogart drink at holi festivals, at all holi festivals, india, n. america, spain etc. part of the indian tradition as i was told. very strong. somethimes just pot was ground up with the drink...both were referred to as bong i think.
i never saw m give satsang while stoned.
most often my experience with m and pot was (always) at the residence, late in the evening, maybe 20 x-rated staff around the living room...m would start a large joint, maybe two...to his own lips making it of course more special to us!) he would have as much as he wanted and then pass it to marolyn (usually) and from there to the rest of us til it was gone.
he would play music for awhile and go upstairs to bedroom after 30-60 minutes. we would mill araound and begin to clean up the house and kitchen til quite late on most of those occasions.
for me, this was maybe 2-3 times a month. i found it generally part of what was so boring. Dettmers expressed somewhere on epo that he enjoyed the music...more then me i guess...i prefer to engage with those around me when smoking, laugh and connect with others...none of that ever happened...silence, some whispering perhaps, fairly loud music, some folks sleeping from fatigue until m said goodnite.
( i really liked the community aspect of the k/service experience and that was not the vib around the residence...all single pointed focus of course...very boring)

4. did PAMs ever talk about how strange and hypocritical...?
never with me or to my knowledge. this was the last group of people that i nor anyone would speak with honestly, share any concerns with etc. i had my own network of others who i would speak with about my doubts and concerns...many still my friends and most who left around the same time ...
this is interesting perhaps as it points to the fear or at minimum the lack of ease that existed around m. mostly everyone was 'happy to be there' and would do nothing if possible to risk losing tha place at his feet. everyone knew there was a mile long line of others wanting to be there in our place. so we were all individuals in our own closed systems walking round never really connecting with each other. reminds me of lots of painful feeling of how isolated i felt during...especially...1980-84...bored to.
god, what took me so long to make the break?

5. was it hard to keep the x-rated secrets? yes and no. there were those who i did speak with about it, close friends (which i remember m trying to break me from). i guess having a few that i could speak to was enough to 'take the edge off' the potential conflicts.
plus, clearly m used the x-rated status as a means of coopting us into increased loyalty....playing on that part of us (me) that liked to be special...probably power related also....at least i noticed how others felt more powerful once inside the circle, so it must have been something in me too.

6. was m having affairs since 1977 as mark a. suggested? i really don't know, but it seems like if he were i might have known about it and did not. monica lewis came on the scene in what? 1982? and seemed to be the first to me...or whatever that was about. honestly not even sure personally about that affair and what it was really about.

7/ did i procure women for m? i arranged to have a premie woman at decca to be standing in the 'right place at the right time' at m's request...to 'check he out'. he had me arrange on follow up to that 'darshan' with a meeting at the residence with her, daytime and in the dining room, meeting lasted 15 minutes, not sexual then...and i 'saw' m with her twice after that ..and not sure what or how far that went.

the only other situation was speaking with one resident premie who had sex with m and was devastated afterwards when m would not communicate with her, avoided her etc. the sexual experience was not very satisfying for her...and worse was the avoidence afterwards.

the other names that mark mentioned i do not know about nor have i heard about...grace m i personally doubt, but...
one point here to understand clearly...there were lots of women who would have loved to have sex with m. who shared their fantasies with him via letters, conversations, actions, innuendo etc. he had no shortage of willing companions...but when the power is so imbalanced, even willing takes on significance. of course, all the hindu stories of masters and mistresses go way back and told and retold.

8. have any of those women spoken up? i guess not really.
re: claudia...no, i never spoke with claudia after her break up with raja ji...never heard of the book...i know she was very angry and blamed both m and raja ji for fooling around etc. surely there were threats (felt or implied)during the settlement. i know of no other 'settlements'

9. hit and run i was not aware of that story but believe dettmers about it. sounds like the m that i knew, sounds like the willingness of prouty and others around m that i remember.

10. jagdeo...strangely i never heard of this trip. since reading this forum i have been told of another situation on the east coast in the 70's. i do not feel at liberty to discuss this but will continue to encourage those involved to speak out. i very reliable story to add to the mix.
as i have mentioned elsewhere, m always had the back door channels that he would use...usually the residence staff or those few like randy prouty who were in and out and conduits of info and tasks..leaving those of us on the more 'official side' in the dark. his style of secrecy and divide and conquer.

11/ challenging m? calling him on his immorality? no, i never did except once to wonder (cautiously) about his responsibility towards the instructors he was letting go of so callously. there was a presumption that he was above any standards of course...doubts of that = mind= disloyalty=grounds to be put outside the circle etc.
his general response to the gentle questioning of his dismissal of the instructors , most of whom thought it was for life literally as was the agreement...was (paraphase) 'i made them instructors i can unmake them, that is what their surrender is all about'.

12. did i witness any mircles? no, never. i did see lots of wonderful, talented people working hard together...often inspite of m's disorganization and secrcy and blaming, do great things together. lots of that seemed miraculous to me then and now.
re; the miller story of driving off a cliff, i do vaguly remember that story and never believed it...miller was quite the story teller.

13. my personal relationship with m? cannot really say that i had a personal relationship with him...certainly not the kind that was warm, friendly, conversational, sharing mutual stories, questions, doubts. in retrospect, the feelings that he care about me were based upon the cosmology at the time...all that he did for me...like keep me hanging around endless in a waiting mode because i was the active type...he did for my own good out of his love for me. that he had some special, personal plan for my life to help me become a 'better person' (read better devotee). this is the mantra i chanted most of the time that both provided a context to explain all the uncomfotable feeling i was having as well as provide a foundational understanding of some personal relationship.
did i ever feel i could speak openly with him? no never.
did i ever see anyon else speak openly or honestly with him, no never. i believe michael dettmers (small question about what happened after that one time with michael and m left the room without saying anything...how long before michael left his service and bow did m change towards michael after that??)

14. what about the future...what is the best thing that could happen now? something between the ex s and m?
at this point i have zero interest in trying to arrange anything with m and us or others. i have no reason to believe that he will or could change and become a serious world leader using his charisma or something to affect change. his credibility is completely shot, and unsalvageable in my small opinion. i have too many things in my life that i enjoy and am doing to on a smaller local scale to be at all interested. my co housing community here, raising my daughter, on the board of the local waldorf school, learning about myself via my close relationships etc.
ironically and in some very strange way apparently there are those still working thru that part of themselves that is a devotee and it often takes a guru to have that. so long as there are devotees, there will be those willing to be gurus.
our most important work is to grow that devotee up within ourselves into more wholeness and personal power and self love.
i can't imagine what m will do. certainly he could leave it all and retire as he has often threatened to do...unless he is stillhooked on the 'love' and adoration of others...probably.
honestly, i care very little what will happen, except to be willing to reach out and spend some time with those who might benefit from someone on the outside who has been there.

bye for now...what do you think la ex.?

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:38:47 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: donner
Subject: Donner, very kind of you
Message:
to take so much time and trouble to write such detailed answers. Thank you. I can see clearly now what I always suspected.
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 17:51:54 (GMT)
From: GetSmart
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: You may want to see this
Message:
Here are all of the GetSmart cards we at GetSmart have on file. We've also been ignoring our other work and creating a new logo. T-shirts anyone?

GetSmart Now!

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:17:27 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: GetSmart
Subject: Sorry about this
Message:
Sorry to be a spoilsport but could you take my card off the list. It's not that I don't think it's a good idea because I do but my picture of me and my daughter and name is on a specific ex-premie site and I didn't ask for it to be put there.

Thanks,

David Simpkiss.

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:28:25 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Sir Dave it's done n/t
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:49:10 (GMT)
From: Joy (Jwa)
Email: None
To: GetSmart
Subject: Walkin Down the Line
Message:
Thanks for my GetSmart card Postie!! I feel so official now.

I'm embarassed to admit this, but my premie 'nickname' of Jwa came about because of Mahatma Jagdeo. He couldn't get his Indian accent around the 'oy' sound and the result was Jwa, which kind of stuck amongst my friends.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:57:57 (GMT)
From: Babs
Email: ralphie@ralphiescafe.com
To: Joy (Jwa)
Subject: Lookin' Smart, Joy
Message:
...and I think I remember you now! Didn't you work with Janice and Kim in the typesetting room at IHQ pre-Millennium? I was the demanding bitch who was always propping you guys up in your seats at 3 a.m. to make just one more change to meet just one more deadline. I'm so sorry. I kiss your virtual lotus toes. Please forgive me. Glad you survived. Love, Babs
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:11:40 (GMT)
From: Joy
Email: None
To: Babs
Subject: Lookin' Smart, Babs
Message:
Yes, that was me in the typesetting room. Post-Janice, though, it was me and Bertha for many years. And I think you were about out of there right as I was beginning, so I do remember you just a little bit. But I'm sure we know many people in common, not the least of them Postie (Richard). And I do remember those late-night deadlines, that was a 24/7 service, to be sure, as most were.

Been digging your posts,
Love,
Joy

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:31:05 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: GetSmart
Subject: Here's charlie, Pat and Thelma
Message:
charlie is a looser

Pat and the Thunderstealer

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:27:11 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Here's the missing link of Pat and Thelma
Message:
The other site was too full so I had to move it here.

Thelma and Pat Got Smart

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:31:56 (GMT)
From: Pauline Premie
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Those glasses are very synchronized. (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:02:55 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: pic of five new ex-premies.
Message:
Oops that link doesn't work, Francesca. Here's another. I'll look and see why that link does't work. Meantime here's a pic of five new ex-premies.

Five Ex-premies

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:57:03 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: I can tell by the lack of light in your eyes (nt)
Message:
ggggg
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:05:59 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: lack of light in eyes -removed the filament NT
Message:
j
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:27:54 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Isn't that FORT FUNSTON????
Message:
Also known as 'DOG HEAVEN' in San Francisco. I go there twice every weekend, just about. By the way, did you see a loose, and big, Dalmatian (named 'Nigel) running around when you were there?
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:48:43 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Isn't that FORT FUNSTON????
Message:
Hey, I've been to Fort Funston twice myself! It was great, I am use to going to places of natural beauty with no other people and I went on Thanksgiving day so there were 1000's of dogs and millions of people but it was still beautiful. Actually we walked way down the beach and did find something close to privacy something you San Fransiscan's must only dream about. :)
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:53:16 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Yep
Message:
Did you have a dog with you? It's almost required. How are you Robyn?
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:43:50 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Yep
Message:
Dear Joe,
Yes, we had Jessica's roomates' dog. I could have loved it even without one though. The most amazing thing was not seeing one dog fight or spat even!
I am good actually Joe, thanks for asking. I have a second interview for a job in my field, 30 min from where I'm staying. Was just about to move to North Carolina where I have family, I would like the climate there much more and thought it may be good to be nearer my parents as they are getting older but knowing people here and having a job in my field means a lot to me.
Looks like I'll be missing another Latvian night and to add salt to my wounds it is going to be held on my birthday! Maybe next year.
Hope you are well dear.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:40:49 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Isn't that FORT FUNSTON? Yes.
Message:
We took the five Spice girls for a walk there when Fran and Mark came to visit. It was cold and windy. I had just had surgery and was feeling weak and shaky.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:43:48 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Well, you looked great -- you all do (nt).
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 23:23:59 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: sometimes you need to reload those geocieties
Message:
pictures. My guess is that the server times out if it doesn't load the picture fast enough. Sometimes you get the 'broken link' symbol. Then hit refresh and it comes up. Strange. Oh well. Free servers.
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:23:55 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: GetSmart
Subject: You're missing mine and Pat's and Thelma's!
Message:
Here's mine:
Get smart

Scroll down for Pat and Thelma's or I'll post them later.

Francesca

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:05:35 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: delores@gofree.indigo.ie
To: Francesca
Subject: Frannie!
Message:
Geez Frannie, you look so familiar! I think our paths must have crossed along the way somewhere.

How are you?

Marianne

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:21:44 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: GetSmart
Subject: tell us more..
Message:
Where do we send for a t-shirt? Do you want a picture?
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:38:59 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: post@rmi.net
To: Nigel
Subject: Just Walk! and GetSmart
Message:
Well OK. GetSmart is me (thanks Babs) so I'm not so smart after all.

As far as photos, Bobby offered to put up a Now and Then page so I don't want to duplicate those efforts (thanks Bobby). I'll stick with the GetSmart card idea - maybe create one of our own so Millbank, etc doesn't run up the bill. So yes, email me a recent photo plus alias, id#, etc and I'll try to put cards together for everyone.

More on the Just Walk! campaign:

I've been having fun with the GetSmart cards and had a brainstorm today to create a more pro-active logo. Something everyone can relate to. As most of us have heard first hand or from a recent ex, Maharaji's latest comment on any dissent is 'Just walk!' said very emphatically as a boss would say 'it's my way or the highway'. So I figure, if a premie has been 'waiting the word of the master' all these years, wait no longer - you've got agya now.

'Just Walk!' - Maharaji

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:30:55 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Will you make one for me?
Message:
I can send you a picture later when I get home. Okay?
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:06:03 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Once you go to the links I gave you --
Message:
you can just right click on the photos and download. No need to send.

Let me know if you want it sent anyway.

--f

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:31:07 (GMT)
From: nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Nigel
Subject: You can use this one if you like...
Message:
Yours truly!

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 18:19:13 (GMT)
From: Babs
Email: ralphie@ralphiescafe.com
To: GetSmart
Subject: Then and now pix
Message:
Dear Richard/Postie/GetSmart,

I want an EPO SmartCard too! Can you make me one please?

Here's a link to a classic photo of Babs the Blissful, chanting and processing through the streets of Delhi, surrounded by sullen British WPCers and incredulous native Hindus. This photo helps me remember that we create our own reality.

The second photo is the one I want on my smart card. It was taken in the driveway of the Houston ashram, right before I drove away in the car I bought with the paycheck I kept. Smartest thing I ever did.

Nowadays I mostly look like an old hippie. Just starting to go grey.
my pics

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:57:18 (GMT)
From: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Email: parisw@ozemail.com.au
To: Babs
Subject: Nice photos Babs.Tell me..
Message:
G'day Babs,
In the photo at Houston were you doing nectar technique?It looks a bit like it.You're a pretty lady.

Cheers Tony. a good judge of a good lookin' sheila (aussie for lady)

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:36:25 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Babs
Subject: Then and now pix - fantastic
Message:
Still the fire breathing babe Babs.

I recall be surrounded by a group of locals during one of those 'processions'. They were all smiles and 'tell me about your guru'. After I Balyogeshwared them a bit, one guy steps forward and with foaming mouth spat out - 'you're guru is a son-of-a-bitch!' Ah, such lila!

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:36:00 (GMT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Babs
Subject: You look familiar to me too!
Message:
Hope you got to see my smart card:
got smart
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:28:38 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Babs
Subject: Then and now pix
Message:
I must a find a ''THEN'' pic. It's blowing my mind. I know all of you. You look just like I thought you would - beautiful!
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 21:22:53 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: all
Subject: Then and now pix - 28 years ago
Message:
Before and After
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:45:48 (GMT)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: Everyone
Subject: Harboring a Paedophile
Message:
The homepage has recently been updated. Maharaji's failure to deal with the Jagdeo issue has caused it to become the 'top story' on the site. It will remain there until both Rawat and Elan Vital admit full responsibility for ignoring that child abuse was happening and cooperate fully with authorities to ensure that it is not happening now. They must also make full use of their Synchronized Publicity Machine to look for and provide counseling to Jagdeo's victims worldwide.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:30:39 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: thanks Brian and JM (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:56:47 (GMT)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Harboring a Paedophile
Message:
Brain,

this is fantastic. Thanks. Just hope they don't try to silence and pacify.

Abi

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:12:38 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Abi
Subject: Excellent Brian, thanks. (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:54:47 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: This is Great Stuff Brian.
Message:
The cult have been refusing to deal with this matter for years.

It refuses to go away and causes many premies to take a look at what they're really involved in.

Thanks for all the work that you and Jean-Michel do behind the scenes to keep our favorite website blossoming. It's not only Ex-premies who are looking at it nowadays.

Anth the Extended Play

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 17:12:53 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: This is Great Stuff Brian.
Message:
I was hoping that the front page gets updated (one day), good work. You leaving the table borders=1? Ooops wrong forum, sorry.

Hello Anth, see you Anth.

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 17:40:45 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Excellent work
Message:
Brian: Thank you for making Jagdeo the centerpiece of EPO. Those in the highest echelons of the cult are wringing their hands over this issue as we speak, conjuring up new excuses for why they have failed to offer compensation to Jagdeo's victims. People will be held accountable in one way or another.

Marianne

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 23:28:04 (GMT)
From: Suzanne
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Excellent work
Message:
Great work, guys.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 03:31:56 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Marianne, do you remember the Catholic
Message:
Church child molestation case last year? About 20 men sued the RC church for being molested by a priest when they were kids. Is there no statute of limitations on pedophilia? Can EV be sued the same way that the Catholic church was sued?

They had to cough up millions. The guys went after the church rather than the priest because of the deep pockets I guess. Well, EV has deep pockets full of my money. I would prefer Abi and Susan to have it. Is this worth pursuing?

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:12:59 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Marianne, do you remember the Catholic
Message:
Yes, I remember these lawsuits against the Catholic Church. Can't talk about the other stuff at all.

Love, Marianne

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:37:43 (GMT)
From: to EV and REV Hammond
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Sythe-Ides of March
Message:
we are in deep need for a recent forum synopsis as the turnover in the posts is fast and furious. Can anyone get their hands on EV's weekly summary of our activities? Or has the Reverend written anything lately? I can't keep up! Someone below pointed out it is the ides of March, I know Rev would be interested, and EV is just paranoid enough that they would have to have a report ready for the 15th.
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:47:39 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: to EV and REV Hammond
Subject: Very funny
Message:
I like that. Maybe we can all subscribe to EV's clipping service. Half of us have smart cards now after all.
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:57:13 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Hey!
Message:
How come everyone's got a Smart Card except me?

(Can I use a phone card instead?)

Anth the joker.

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 22:00:31 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: post@rmi.net
To: AJW
Subject: Hey! AJW - want a GetSmart card
Message:
Email me a photo and it's yours. Postie owes you big time.

Richard

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:25:43 (GMT)
From: kev
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: You can have my smart card if you want.
Message:
I won't be using it any more. I'll swap you the phone card for it.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:23:52 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: anthginn@yahoo.com
To: kev
Subject: It's a deal kev.
Message:
email me, and I'll send you my address.

In return you'll get a Dutch phone card with 4 guilders left on it, and I'll throw in a free photocopy of one of my old satsangs, (by his grace).

They read one out loud at the last Latvian night in London. I got stomach cramps.

anth who used to swap comics

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 14:00:04 (GMT)
From: Sita Ram
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Thank you EPO
Message:
I just wanna remind you of what the late Shri Maharaji, M's pop,
once said: ' I love my enemies and critics more than my devotees
because they help me spread the Knowledge much more than my
devotees'....in this sense, great job, guys!!!!
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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 07:53:39 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Sita Ram
Subject: The truth is, he 'loves' neither!....nt
Message:
dlfgjlak
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:35:01 (GMT)
From: friend
Email: None
To: Sita Ram
Subject: Thank you EPO (ot)
Message:
where you in La Tierra? I think I know you.
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 21:48:44 (GMT)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: Sita Ram
Subject: You're very welcome
Message:
Unfortunately EPO never did anything to help Sri Hans. But it will continue to help his youngest and richest son more than he could ever dare dream possible.

JSCA

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 20:45:29 (GMT)
From: Michael Dettmers
Email: dettmers@gylanix.com
To: Sita Ram
Subject: Thank you EPO
Message:
Sita,

In case you've forgotten, the enemy Shri Maharaji was referring to was called the Aria Samaji (sp.), a well-established anti-guru organization in India.

The enemies Maharaji faces on the EPO are far more dangerous, for we are calling his character, his ethics, and his greed into question. In this age of the internet, with a democratically minded populace, his con-game is being exposed and will assuredly be destroyed.

Michael

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 18:08:27 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Sita Ram
Subject: then why ...
Message:
Then why did Prem Rawat (aka 'Maharaji') have his lawyers shut down several sites critical of him? Why did he talk negatively about the web in an attempt to keep pwikies (formerly known as 'premies') from seeing this site and others critical of him?

If that quote were true, he would pay for this site and offer a premium server for it to run on. He would let the pwikies know the URL for this site and encourage them to read it. But that's not happening, is it?

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:38:55 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Sita Ram
Subject: Yes you are right. Since I stopped following the
Message:
paedophile protector, I see light everywhere, hear celestial sounds all the time, have become one with Shabd Brahm, PakNam, Satnam and drink intoxicating nectar (and ambrosia when it is solid) all the time.

Have you made the final step or you just a wannabe ex?


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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:34:45 (GMT)
From: Dodge Ram
Email: None
To: Sita Ram
Subject: Sita.................Sita........get in here....
Message:
If you don't get in here now, I'm gonna put you up on blocks, ground you forever and then see where that'll getcha. I told you to quit picking on your superiors...you don't have a clue what you're getting yourself into with these folks.

I'm going to have to get TED Farkel in here to give you a talking to and set you right. Maybe a week at the TRAC Center...a little varmint stew, a few swings of the hub cap arti tray, feeding the hogs out back at night, picking up local road kill, and maybe, just maybe, a couple of foamies on Ladies' Night will set you on the straight and narrow, like the stripe down a skunk's back. You don't watch out, I'm gonna arrange a marriage between you and that straight-as-a-ruler David Smith next time his tour bus comes through Shaft.

Either way, TED or David Smith, one of them 100% devotees will fix you. I told you, Sita, get in here.....

Dodge Ram
Sita's Pop (Goes the Weasel)

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:09:20 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Sita Ram
Subject: Sita: M's Pop?
Message:
Is that the official hindu word for dad, father?

Anyway, thanks for the backdoor compliments, EPO loves to hear from premies defending M.

I agree with you. Why, M's already invited me for a ride on his ship (I meant yacht), after that, we're going out for dinner and drinks after a few tokes (and you know he gets the good stuff)!

When M called me personally last week, he told me he wasn't offended at all by Forum 5. He ACTUALLY TOLD ME he loves us more than any premies on earth just because we're sassy.

And, some of us are blondes, don't you know.

And IT IS DIVINE, absolutely divine dear!

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:43:22 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Sita Ram
Subject: Run that one by me again, Sita ?
Message:
Sita-

Let's get that straight.
Maharaji loves the exes here more than his premies?(actually that's not too hard to do these days. If he loved the premies he wouldn't set them up the way he is doing right now, by not telling them about his pecadillos which are exploding in their face as they try to propagate his K, and then get hit with the knowledge of his scandals from the aspirants who are not afraid of looking at them on the EPO site....the premies are afraid of looking at EPO, because he's told them not to look at EPO...I'm good at run on sentences)

According to your reasoning, M must like the EPO site, right? Helping with good ole propagation, right?
I think he tried getting it off the internet,didn't he?

Maybe it was a mistake....lets petition him to endorse EPO, and maybe throw a little cash behind it to really insure that propagation takes off, and that Love really starts flowing...

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:27:40 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Sita Ram
Subject: And that is why...
Message:
...all true lovers of truth should come and join us. For we are those truly doing his work. Yeah for it is written above.

Amen. Hallejulila.

Anth surrendering more and more each day, it's like, I really feel, you know, it's like, really, you can't really explain it in words can you? I think it's something to do with being alive is better than being dead, more and more each day, it's just so beautiful, it's like, really you know, breathing is really good, because, you know like, it keeps you being alive. more and more each day.

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:32:38 (GMT)
From: Connie
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Anth, U crack me up sometimes ha ha nt
Message:
kkkkk
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:11:24 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Sita Ram
Subject: By that 'reasoning' .........
Message:
That'd be like Hitler in his last days, peeking out of his underground bunker and shaking his fist at the overhead allied bombers, thanking them for getting the word out. Funny, this whacky juju logic.
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 14:59:46 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Sita Ram
Subject: Nice try but have you seen this?
Message:
My guess is that Maharaji doesn't love us. Take a look at the

And It Is Divine Picture Gallery

It's been updated with the latest pics.

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:13:09 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: all
Subject: Apparently Shri Hans knew about Public Relations
Message:
The old political PR maxim is: 'I don't care what you say about me as long as you spell my name right.'

I'm fairly certain, that's what SH was talking about, but that was word of mouth publicity among rural villagers. I don't think that applies here.

Maharaji does have some of that Clintonesque ability to bathe in the spotlight no matter whether it is in a TV studio or hearing room. And like Clinton, M appears to simply ignore anyone who is not devoted to him. While Clinton was asking his inquisitors to tell him what 'IS IS', M was busily denying he ever willingly portrayed himself as anything other than a teacher. As Dettmers has testified (er posted) here, after telling M what he really thought, M just got up and walked away.

He simply will not allow any dissenting opinion to enter in. So the Dettmers, Donners and Mischlers of his life, after attempting sincerely to help him further his personal and 'career' goals, were summarily rejected, ridiculed and they left. Being within the EV political spin cycle, we thought they blew it or freaked out or maybe we never really thought about it much until we hear the stories now.

I remember when the late Bob Mischler left in 1976, I think it was, I asked someone I had worked with in graphics who was leaving also, 'what happened, why are you leaving'. His answer was 'you don't want to know, it's just food for your mind'. And he was right. I didn't want to know but I do now. So I say to all premies reading here - YOU DO WANT TO KNOW. IT'S FOOD FOR YOUR MIND.

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:26:25 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: The Teflon Guru - NOT
Message:
Actually I think it is sites like Maharaji.org and the industrial strength church ladies secrecy, coldness and self-centeredness that is doing more to propagate EPO than the other way around.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:28:13 (GMT)
From: donner
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: The Teflon Guru - NOT
Message:
pat,help me here please what is a pwikie mentioned above? formerly premie?? i don't get it and have seen this reference before and still...? thanks anyone i guess
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:56:45 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: donner
Subject: Donner - a pwickie is
Message:
It's the nickname Richard invented for PWK. The new modern premie is no longer called that but is designated a PWK (person with Knowledge) as part of the revisionism and ridding the new non-cult church of Hinduism. MY nickname for PWK is pewkie but it's unkinder.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:25:39 (GMT)
From: donner
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Donner - a pwickie is
Message:
thanks...i didn't catch this so i asked again somewhere in these threads...thanks
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:04:06 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: all
Subject: Oh my, obviously we do use EPO cult lingo here /nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 12:29:31 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: In the Caves of the Cult.
Message:
Hi,

When I was talking to one of my old pals on Saturday, he told me that when soon after he posted on the forum, he was taken out for dinner by two premies he knew in his town. They proceeded to have a “little chat” with him. They didn’t threaten him or anything, but they told him he should think carefully about what he was doing.

This reminded me of what happened after I first posted. I received a long letter from my old friend Glen Whittaker, going at great lengths to dissuade me from the path I’d chosen. He also had a chat with me at some point, I don’t’ remember if it was on the phone or in person, where he said something like, “If I got involved on the forum, Jim would make mincemeat of me and destroy me.” (This was nearly 3 years ago. You’d already built up quite a rep’ Jim.)

My friend also received a phone call (this is three or four months ago) saying that it was Maharaji’s “agya” that he shouldn’t go on the forum.

I’m starting to see a pattern here, and wondered if any of the folk who have started posting recently had received any similar overtures, had any “chats” or been told of recent “agya”.

Isn’t incredible that, in spite of this squeaky clean, flowers and waterfalls, “God, no we never said anything about that” image they are trying to project. Inside the caves of the cult, Agya still rules the day.

(Maybe my pal who told the story can correct my inaccuracies. {That’s why he posted on the forum in the first place, corrected inaccurate things I was saying about him.)

Anth who usually misses by about six miles.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:20:59 (GMT)
From: Voyeur
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: In the Caves of the Cult.
Message:
I posted a message on an early premie run website expressing 'love for Maharaji' in late 97 and, a few weeks later received a phone call from Linda Gross. I spoke to her for over an hour saying why I had done so and why I thought it was so good to be able to come into contact again with people whom I had gone through so much with. After this she begged, I repeat begged me to write to maharaji about all this. She also suggested meeting her at the Long Beach program.
After the call I felt very uneasy. How had she found my phone number, why was she calling me, a nonentity premie since 1972 first in the UK and latterly in the US, (where although I had attended a few programs I was virtually unknown, except that I had gone to some community video events in a North Eastern state). This really put me off because it was as if big brother had called.
I went to a 'knowledge review' in Atlantic City and found the whole thing strange. I became agnostic about Maharaji after that event and later found myself reading this site which I found confirmed every rumour that I had heard in the past 30 years.
But I still don't trust these people and use the pseudonym that I have posted under a few times in the last year. Not that it matters as I was always on the periphery putting college, job, family, pleasure first and therefore considered 'in my mind'.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:05:48 (GMT)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: Voyeur
Subject: That was premie.com
Message:
I posted there in 1997 under an old BBS email account that I had. There is a page on the site relating the conversation I had when David Coyne called me. Here's the link to that page, Calling All Premies.

www.premie.com/org went offline for a while after pressure from EV. It went back online after Rawat did a 180 degree turn and allowed enjoyinglife.org online, followed by a glut of EV sites.

Hey! How come I didn't rate a call from Linda Gross?!!? I'm miffed big-time... I might even put up a website...

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 21:13:37 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Coyne has more coin than Linda G ...
Message:
... so really he's more 'important' to M, Brian. Feel better?
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:01:13 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Voyeur
Subject: Thanks Voyeur.
Message:
It's a really wierd approach. The cult tries hard to stop people leaving, but can't see that the real reason they leave is because they realise they are in a cult. It's a real big blind spot. Even if you tell them they can't see it.

If only they were honest with themselves, about what they're involved with. Premies are almost becoming schizophrenic nowadays. They don't know what to believe any more.

If he's the Lord, why are they forbidden to mention it?

Is it God or is it Snot?

My big questions in life nowadays are, 'Which T-shirt should I wear today? Tea or coffee? Where are my socks? etc'

Anth the devolving.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:44:42 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Voyeur
Subject: Voyeur, a question
Message:
Welcome by the way.

Did you post your message about love for M on a premie site or ex-premie site. It sounds like Linda was upset (on behalf of M) that you had said ANYTHING publicly about him. Is this true? And what reason did she give for writing to M?

Thanks for clearing this up

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:05:02 (GMT)
From: Voyeur
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Voyeur, a question
Message:
It was a site run by premies which seemed to be in favor of him and seemed to be wanting to put old premie contacts in touch with each other. It was in fact, in favor as I am recalling that they reluctantly shut down at the request of Elan Vital. (sorry I don't remember the name it was run by some premies in Florida, Tampa or Orlando, I think.)
Linda was upset that I had written anything as Maharaji was against anything being said or written about him on the internet. During the conversation it was clear that he didn't understand the internet but only saw it as a threat, which was why she begged me to write to him about the 'beneficial effect of recalling our experiences all those years ago and why we became premies' as an example of how the internet could be of benefit to him. I have often thought that he was quite right, the internet was a big threat to him and he wanted to do everything he could to prevent what has now taken place. But like Canute and the waves, destiny is unstoppable.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:30:10 (GMT)
From: Katie H.
Email: None
To: Voyeur
Subject: Thanks, Voyeur - fascinating story
Message:
I remember that site (premie.com or premie.org) well - Brian's posted the link to his experiences with it above. I am amazed at the story about the phone call though! Glad it was a 'drip' for you.

Take care,
Katie

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 03:18:54 (GMT)
From: Voyeur
Email: None
To: Katie H.
Subject: Thanks, Voyeur - fascinating story
Message:
Not half as amazed as i was!
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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 06:30:35 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Voyeur
Subject: That was Harlan Ray Cooley's site
Message:
And yes, David Coyne was contacting everyone who posted there and telling them to stop. I called Coyne who was quite a nice guy on the phone. He thought I was ....(big premie drum roll) DA DAH!, 'Sincere' and offered to try to get Maharaji to talk with me. Honestly, that's what he said. He naively thought he could open a door or so.

Alas, he tried only to tell me that that just wasn't on right now. Oh well.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:13:44 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Voyeur
Subject: M afraid of the web, thanks very interesting /nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:42:52 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: AGYA???
Message:
Did they really say Maharaji gave him AGYA?

But was it 'inner agya' or just regular agya?

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:24:44 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Yes, AGYA to stay off F5
Message:
This particular person was told that Captain Rawat had given him/her agya to stay off the forum. How do you like that, Joe? The guy thinks he has the right to control when and how premies communicate with people. Doesn't that just take the cake?

Marianne

PS Isn't agya one of those 'outdated Hindu concepts'?

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 01:33:51 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: And yet he claims he doesn't care what they do...
Message:
And yet he claims he doesn't care what they do in their private lives. Yea, sure.
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:14:52 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Well, if Sita Ram's got it right above .........
Message:
If Sita Ram is right then I'd suggest that your friends friends were no friends of the guru's who, as per Sita Ram, must be secretly loving the attention.

(And I WILL make mincemeat out of you if you keep up that muslim shit. Allah is great, my ass!)

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:29:21 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: LOL. See you downstairs mate. (nt)
Message:
another lie
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:11:18 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Happened to me too! Why?
Message:
Same scenario happened to me in 1997 and Dominique Lin (also a French ex) a few months back.

I got a few phone calls from premies and 'friends' whom I had never talked to for years, enquiring about what I was into ... Had lunch with Marc Levitte for the same reason and same patronizing. I asked him why he was so much concerned about my private life, still thinking EV and Rawat had nothing to do with premies private lives (as they so loudly claim).

Not talking about my premie friends (and Dominique's) who got phone calls to persuade them NOT to talk or give any information to us anymore.

I talked about it with a French EV premie I had dinner with 2 weeks ago. The guy was embarrassed ...

Quite a strange behavior for a group saying they're not a cult. I wonder how they would justify this. Jean-Paul Biberian (EV troubleshooter for France)? Any clue?

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:56:44 (GMT)
From: Bryn
Email: bryndaviesesq@hotmail
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: 'You cant touch me, I'm a premie'
Message:
It's the 'Knowlege' that makes you feel unassailable, as the cocky little post above indicates. (Sita Ram)
I have seen some very strange behaviour from premies when they realise that Bryn has slipped from the path. It goes very deep in them.They quickly make all sorts of veilling and concealing gestures. Basically they are afraid of the work they are going to have to do to clear up-and thats fair enough. I am glad I am surrounded by 'mild' premie people up-close, because the looks in the eyes that I have seen say 'desparate',or 'emergency!'. For some, more expressive people I think their next reaction would be 'Act against it' or 'Destroy,destroy!'. Good old English manners dictates that all this is never physicalised.(And so we die of bowel cancer instead)
The four techniques are a decadent Eastern mystical system.(oh yes they are). It is a shame that most of us know nothing about esoteric systems. I didn't know I had a 'world view', so I didn't realise when Maharaji switched it for another. If we were a little more esoterically educated, we would perhaps be less inclined to lay down our lives and die in a ditch, for the first groovy cosmic package that tickles our fancy.
Love Bryn
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:39:22 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Why? Maytbe Agya J-M.
Message:
They've obviously got a policy about FV.

What surprised me was that they told our friend, it was 'Agya' that he shouldn't look at the forum.

Now where did this rusty old Hindu concept come from?

They're saying they're not a cult, sending round a couple of trusted goons, and talking about 'agya'. I wonder if the K-lite premies have even heard of 'Agya'.

Il etait tres agreable a passer qu'eque temps avec toi au weekend Jean-Michel. A bientot.

Anthgya

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:19:39 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Reprogramming exes
Message:
Visits from an instructor and daily emails reminding me to be grateful.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:12:16 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: jmkahn@club-internet.fr
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Pat? Emails reminders to be 'grateful'?
Message:
Would you post them here, or forward them to me by email? That would be interesting to see ...
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:23:49 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Jean-Michel - Emails reminders to be 'grateful'?
Message:
So far I have deleted them in disgust but will keep future ones.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:39:18 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Pat, deleted email may still be in the 'trash'
Message:
Try opening your 'trash' or 'deleted' folder in the email program you are using. They may still be there.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:51:59 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Pat, deleted email may still be in the 'trash'
Message:
Those were the folders that I emptied because hotmail was full. Onlone email really trashes them.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:43:37 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Have a look in your garbage
Message:
maybe you can retrieve some of them?
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:54:20 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Jean-Michel, two days ago
Message:
I was told my email had exceeded its memory and I threw away all trash but will keep them from now on.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:39:13 (GMT)
From: Babs
Email: ralphie@ralphiescafe.com
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Too late
Message:
We survived the vaccination. Now we're immune.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 00:58:58 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Babs
Subject: Babs, we have developed anti-bodies to guru juju
Message:
I can't believe how beautiful you are in your pics. I tell old-time premies were the creme de la creme.
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 11:09:48 (GMT)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: You know my name , here is my face
Message:
in the spirit of coming out in the open as so many others have done here recently I want to show support by going the extra step and posting my mugshot as well.

I received K back in 72 when I was 24, Paula in 84 when she was 21.

We are both very happy to be Exes's today

here we are

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 11:35:22 (GMT)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: I messed up the link/Sorry please try again
Message:
I can't get it to work the other way please bear with me, cut and paste this, I hope it works. I can't seem to figure out how to properly copy a link

http://www.noni.com/test/card/sent.asp?cid=2401&rem=bgsmith@teleport.com

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 11:29:01 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: You look a bit spaced out Brian
Message:
or maybe you just went over the edge.

Anth who can't insert a hyperlink either (believe me I've tried).

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 11:54:03 (GMT)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Thanks anth,Help!I am spaced out when it comes to
Message:
anything other than the basic functions on the computer. And yes, to make matters worse I have read the forum help pages several times and still can't get it.

Brian, feeling rather inept when it comes to hyperlinks, graphics and anything fancy

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 12:27:08 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: Brian, if you
Message:
post a new thread, with the link or whatever, the FA can then delete this whole thread.

Anth who was an FA once.

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 19:13:57 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: AJW and Brian
Subject: Brian, Anth - see directions for making links
Message:
that I posted to Katie Darling. It takes a non-geek to teach a non-geek.

To Make a Link

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:02:24 (GMT)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Thank you Pat,very helpful, I will try again later
Message:
n
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:46:54 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: You went to Tahiti - cool
Message:
Hey Brian, thanks for putting your photo online. I guess next we'll all get WebCams. By the way, you sometimes spell your screen name Brain which is most appropriate.

Richard - Post Postie

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 17:01:05 (GMT)
From: Brian Smith
Email: bgsmith@teleport.com
To: Richard
Subject: Hey Richard postie, Please email me
Message:
if you are coming to Portland, contact me and lets hook up, you can stay at our house while you are here if you like.
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 10:13:43 (GMT)
From: Mistress Thelma
Email: thunderstealing@hotmail.com
To: Everyone
Subject: Good morning -click here to get your spanking
Message:
Glad I got this monkey off my back. The Master
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 13:10:50 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Mistress Thelma
Subject: Good morning -click here to get your spanking
Message:
very funny.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:50:10 (GMT)
From: Thelma
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Salam I am flattered
Message:
I knew you would get a kick out of it.
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 11:30:50 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Mistress Thelma
Subject: Mistress Thelma...
Message:
...it seems like I have a 'Bad Gateway.' what does this mean.

Anth the innocent with tears of laughter on his face.

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 11:32:30 (GMT)
From: Katie Darling
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: You need a filament nt
Message:
hahahah
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 17:34:30 (GMT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Katie Darling
Subject: Hey!!! I was gonna say that nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 15:16:56 (GMT)
From: Dickie Pwickie
Email: None
To: Thelma
Subject: That's NOT what He means by #2!
Message:
Your gonna fry for this Thelma. This is NOT synchronistic gratitude and NOT the way to propagate. You'll have to beg on your knees to even fold the white table cloths, much less smooth them. David Smith will be in town soon and says he wants a private meeting with you. He'll straighten (poor choice of words) you out.

Dick the Pwick

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Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 16:24:00 (GMT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Mistress Thelma
Subject: Thanks, that felt sooooo good! NT
Message:
nt
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