Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 03:56:40 (GMT)
From: Mar 16, 2001 To: Mar 20, 2001 Page: 4 Of: 5


La-ex -:- Margaret Singer #2(part#1is in Somel thread below) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:32:28 (GMT)
__ Lesley -:- Margaret Singer #2(part#1is in Somel thread below) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:57:31 (GMT)
__ __ janet -:- this is exactly waht they did to me in the hospita -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 12:00:40 (GMT)

Steve Quint -:- Happy St. Patrick's Day -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:53:50 (GMT)
__ Paddy O'Furniture -:- Happy St. Patrick's Day and don't forget our own -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:53:25 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- St Patrick was English. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:10:01 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Fitz-Anthony Conlon -:- Top of the morinin' to ye. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:14:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Top of the morinin' to ye. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:28:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- I see a cottage in the mist with smoke -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:34:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Tim G -:- Hi Pat. That's my house -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:10:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- I'm green with envy Tim NT -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:27:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Happy St. Pat's lads -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:07:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Such O'Bannan -:- Happy St. Pat's lads and lasses. May St. Brigit... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 21:13:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ janet -:- turning -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 12:12:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ such -:- luv u, 2.'Surely some revelation is at hand'...(mt -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 21:30:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Happy St. Pat's at Molly Malone's -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:30:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ davie O'm -:- Top of the mornin fm O'Detroit -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:57:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Top of the mornin fm O-Forksville Twp :) -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 05:20:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie H. -:- David M - Hello! -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:16:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- gloomy swedes? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:42:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- I'm just talking about my family (completely OT) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:50:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Hey there david too -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:29:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- The Scots were Irish once. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:14:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- As a kid.... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:21:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- food security? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:04:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- yup Selene, gotta be careful..tofu or semtex? nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:09:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- tofu or semtex? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:50:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- tofu or semtex? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:58:23 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ EV Spin Doctor -:- Thanks For The Info -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 15:57:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- Thanks For The Info -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:26:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Dermot... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:40:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- Marianne.. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:59:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Yes 'n Brits owned Ireland once too -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:19:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Yes 'n Brits owned Ireland once too -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:15:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Mainly Republican propaganda. (ot) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:49:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- Mainly Republican propaganda. (ot) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:04:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Respect Dermot. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:15:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mercedes -:- Love Afro Celt Sound Sistem (nt) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:40:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Tim G -:- Love Afro Celt Sound System..me too -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:21:43 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mercedes -:- Afro Celt Sound System and more -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 00:58:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Hi Tim -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:33:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- I agree Anth... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:45:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mercedes -:- Americans... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:44:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Americans... -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 13:31:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- Americans... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:01:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Thelma -:- As an African-American lesbian of Irish descent -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:45:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- haha Thelma, you mongrel bitch rebel heart ! -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:57:40 (GMT)

Richard -:- New GetSmart card prototype -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:30:58 (GMT)
__ Richard -:- GetSmart now available in these colors -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 15:47:49 (GMT)
__ __ Joe -:- Brilliant, Richard -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 23:17:06 (GMT)
__ __ Mercedes -:- GetSmart now available in these colors -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:34:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ Richard -:- GetSmart now available in these colors -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:41:17 (GMT)
__ Marianne -:- New GetSmart card prototype -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:13:58 (GMT)
__ Babs -:- You are the WhizKid.LOL.nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 07:52:42 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Out and proud. My pix on the way -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:02:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ Mercedes -:- Out and proud. My pix on the way -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:29:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Out and proud and talk to me anytime you want -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:24:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Richard -:- Mercedes - fear zone -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:44:48 (GMT)

Cerise -:- What happened to my new thread? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:21:00 (GMT)
__ hacker -:- machine c? -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 02:18:23 (GMT)
__ __ salam -:- good points -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 06:19:25 (GMT)
__ salam -:- and stick his xml up his nose -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:58:05 (GMT)
__ Salam -:- Well all I can say is -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:36:30 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Well all you can do, Salam, is send him a virus -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:39:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ salam -:- Well all you can do, Salam, is send him a virus -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:07:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Thelma -:- Excuse me Salam but I am the only premie implant -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:10:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- implant? hahaha so cute -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:58:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ salam -:- A MUSHROOM -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 06:06:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ sb -:- ot -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:22:47 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- Hi ot -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:39:42 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SB -:- Hi ot -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:46:10 (GMT)
__ Mercedes -:- What happened to my new thread? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:18:30 (GMT)
__ __ Abi -:- Well said Mercedes nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 13:11:29 (GMT)
__ Tony Walker (Aussi Ji) -:- Sounds like you've got a kangaroo loose in the top -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 08:51:26 (GMT)
__ Pat Conlon -:- FA, This post contains threat, should be reported -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 07:29:19 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- I agree... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 08:53:03 (GMT)
__ Abi -:- What happened to my new thread? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 07:17:57 (GMT)
__ dumb dumb me (Cerise) -:- PROFUSE APOLOGIES ADMIN STAFF -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:33:49 (GMT)
__ __ Selene -:- oh shut up -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:53:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ salam -:- oh shut up -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 08:19:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- hi salam -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 18:02:43 (GMT)
__ __ Salam -:- PROFUSE APOLOGIES me too, so now -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:49:02 (GMT)
__ __ AJW -:- Make your mind up Cerise. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:07:14 (GMT)
__ __ janet of venice -:- i opened a chat room in talkcity last week -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:32:24 (GMT)
__ __ Babs -:- sorry to hear about your red facwe -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 08:03:52 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Cerise you need therapy -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:42:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ Cerise -:- You're probably right Pat -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 07:01:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Are you drunk, Cerise? Go to AA! NT -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 07:30:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Many regular posters occasionally show up drunk -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:58:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Many regular posters occasionally show up drunk -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:25:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Not at all Robyn -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 13:36:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Occassional posters regularly show up drunk NT -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:22:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Anth and Pat and Mick occasionally show up drunk -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:05:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ janet -:- you were drunk for your first post here and -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:35:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- so rub my nose in it won't you? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:03:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- so rub my nose in it won't you? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:29:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- How do you swallow the joints Pat? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:08:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- That gave me my first guffaw of the day, Anth -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:04:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Sunday morning chuckles. -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 13:45:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Sunday morning chuckles. -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 13:51:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Hi Robyn. -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 14:06:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ salam -:- easy -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:24:16 (GMT)

cerise -:- What happened to my new thread? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:20:18 (GMT)
__ moldy warp -:- Now that's not very compassionate, is it? -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 01:45:09 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Now that's not very compassionate, is it? -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 10:52:10 (GMT)
__ janet -:- hohum same o same o. nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:39:02 (GMT)
__ __ Selene -:- newbie yeah and with all that expertise! -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:49:04 (GMT)

Pat Conlon -:- Tony, Connie what is it about marsupial PWKs? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:11:50 (GMT)
__ Catweasel -:- Here are Two Shovels;Now take your Pick!! -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 01:48:57 (GMT)
__ __ Jim ;[ -:- Now who in the world's gonna believe that, Cat? -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 05:54:11 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Catweasle, you're a pommy not an Aussie -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 05:31:43 (GMT)
__ Lesley -:- Aussies call a spade a shovel -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:49:46 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Lesley I was taking a dig at two particular roos -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 21:24:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ Lesley -:- Just found your post to me in the inactive -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 22:03:02 (GMT)
__ __ Katie H. -:- Aussies call a spade a shovel -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:56:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ Lesley -:- Aussies call a spade a shovel -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 21:31:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Terminal niceness -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 23:10:03 (GMT)
__ Tony Walker (Aussi Ji) -:- No,I haven't taken offence -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:05:42 (GMT)
__ Cerise -:- Tony, Connie what is it about marsupial PWKs? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:36:39 (GMT)
__ Connie -:- Don't know, FA and Pat -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:26:16 (GMT)
__ __ Katie H. -:- Australian exes are the greatest! -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:10:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ Connie -:- Thanks, Katie, it was -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 22:04:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Katie H. -:- Connie, I really appreciate your honesty -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 23:00:38 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Connie, I emailed you -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:38:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ Connie -:- Sorry Pat -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 08:59:40 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Connie, I hope you think I thought it was you!!! -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:30:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ donner -:- Connie, I hope you think I thought it was you!!! -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:06:16 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Luke Pewk -:- Donner, you are being brainwashed -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:06:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Connie, Tony I trust the both of you implicitly -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:31:45 (GMT)

some1 -:- 'International Conference Management' -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:42:05 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- This stinks. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:21:19 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- Questions -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:07:48 (GMT)
__ __ some1 -:- Answers -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:31:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Save the letter some1, it could be very important. -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:42:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ G -:- Elan Vital is Divine Light Mission renamed -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:25:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ JHB -:- EV is not DLM in the UK.... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 23:00:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ G -:- I forgot, there's a world outside the US (nt) -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 00:40:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- not being able to shake Jagdeo off -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:50:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Thanks -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:43:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ some1 -:- expenses -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 03:14:04 (GMT)
__ Moll of Mole -:- 'International Conference Management' -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:52:26 (GMT)
__ __ La-ex -:- Margaret Singer on cults,growth and fundraising... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:15:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ Michael Dettmers -:- Margaret Singer on cults,growth and fundraising... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:19:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Wow, that hit home... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:35:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Thanks, La-ex -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:21:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Richard -:- Excellent, La-ex - the potential energy wasted -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:06:09 (GMT)
__ __ some1 -:- USA -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:06:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ Marianne -:- The fundraising letter -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:36:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Joe, I guess, the EV satirist wrote it -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:14:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ janet -:- no, more likely amaroo failed, so find a new way -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:54:08 (GMT)

Abi -:- John Sheridan - are you lurking? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:47:53 (GMT)
__ AJW -:- John Sheridan - are you lurking? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:37:53 (GMT)
__ __ Abi -:- John Sheridan - are you lurking? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 13:09:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ Katie Darling (Baier) -:- Jill, are you there too? Remember me? nt -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 03:05:19 (GMT)

Tony Walker (Aussi Ji) -:- What is going on ? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:35:58 (GMT)
__ Susan -:- It is like one of those movies...... -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 15:58:57 (GMT)
__ __ la-ex -:- one of those movies.Brother sun,sister moon? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:30:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ Susan -:- brother sun sister moon -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:03:29 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Susan -:- Oh yes and In like Flint -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:06:46 (GMT)
__ Brian Smith -:- What is going on ? Its our declaration of -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:22:22 (GMT)
__ __ Richard -:- Ex's, to your keyboards! The Revolution is now! -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:24:47 (GMT)
__ __ Tony Walker (Aussi Ji) -:- Here yee! Briam.nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:54:51 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- What is going on Brian? You're up late -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:37:57 (GMT)
__ Pat Conlon -:- What is going on ? Centerfolds next? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:38:53 (GMT)
__ __ Tony Walker (Aussi Ji) -:- Over 'ere we use double barrel shotguns for -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:10:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- If that's Aussie humor no wonder you don't -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:10:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Tony Walker (Aussi Ji) -:- Sorry Pat.I have a very warped -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:04:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Tony Walker (Aussi Ji) -:- PS.I do get your jokes..nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:07:27 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Good because I have that ostrich sense of humor -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:19:01 (GMT)
__ __ Joe -:- Pat, can you make me a Smart Card? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:42:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Smart Card? Richard got you first NT -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:35:52 (GMT)
__ __ __ Richard -:- Joe, send me your pic and I'll do it /nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:50:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Thanks/nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:22:30 (GMT)

cerise -:- you lot sound like a sad AA gathering -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:26:23 (GMT)
__ SB -:- you need few -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:21:50 (GMT)
__ Susan -:- but you just added another 'drip' (nt) -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:33:31 (GMT)
__ Pat Conlon -:- FA has this poster used other aliases before? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:34:21 (GMT)
__ __ Forum Admin -:- FA has this poster used other aliases before? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:16:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- FA, thanks NT -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:27:48 (GMT)
__ __ Pat Conlon -:- FA has this poster used other aliases before? -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:36:43 (GMT)

Moll of Mole -:- Trouble with money -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:50:51 (GMT)
__ Richard -:- Moll please - save the threads -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:00:34 (GMT)
__ __ Katie H -:- It's not number of threads - it's number of posts -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:23:18 (GMT)
__ __ gerry -:- Many kudos and gushing compliments to Moll o' Mole -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:16:58 (GMT)
__ __ Moll of Mole -:- Thanks, understand. Message to FA -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:39:50 (GMT)
__ __ __ Susan -:- question MOM -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:49:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Moll of Mole -:- question MOM -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:56:40 (GMT)
__ __ Richard -:- But keep posting more if you have it /nt -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:32:45 (GMT)

Moll of Mole -:- Trouble with the name -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:48:01 (GMT)
__ Moldy Warp (the Mole) -:- OT Are we related ?nt -:- Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 01:38:52 (GMT)

Moll of Mole -:- Trouble in the organization -:- Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:44:43 (GMT)


Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:32:28 (GMT)
From: La-ex
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Margaret Singer #2(part#1is in Somel thread below)
Message:
Here is more from Margaret singer; this time she speaks on the process of brainwashing used in new religious movements.

She and others have delineated a three-stage model of radical resocialization by which an old identity is stripped away and a new one is created.

(this gets a little lengthy and 'clinical' at times, so I have taken the liberty of editing parts that seem repetitive or too dry)


'These stages are characterized as 'unfreezing', 'changing', and 'refreezing'. Other terms have been used for these stages, like 'stimuli control', 'response control', and 'normative control'. (other models have also been used that do not explicity emloy a three-stage process, but this essay refers to the three-stage process)

'In the first stage or phase,the 'unfreezing', the victims of brainwashing are subjected to various incapacitating conditions, either physical, psychological or social, designed to induce a nearly complete cognitive, emotional, and social breakdown.
The two primary means used are various forms of either sensory deprivation or sensory overload.'

'Successful behavioral change programs are designed to upset you to the point that your self-confidence is undermined. This makes you more open to suggestion and also more dependent on the environment for cues about 'right thinking' and 'right conduct'. Your resistance to new ideas lessens when you feel yourself teetering on the edge with massive anxiety about the right choices in life on the one side, and the group ideas that offer the way out of this distress on the other side.'


'In the second stage or phrase of brainwashing, the 'changing', this openness to suggestion is used to impose a new identity-a new set of thoughts, feelings, and behaviours. Those being brainwashed are systematically and ever more intensely introduced to new daily routines, espectations, group activities, and rewards and punishments.
Carefully monitoring and controlling all activity and social interaction, the brainwashers try to fashion a new environment with which those being brainwashed will identify out of their extreme need for predictable order and meaning in their lives.'

'The third and final stage or phase, the 'refreezing', attempts to consolidate and reinforce those changes by rapidly and thoroughly immersing the subjects in a new, stable, and supportive social environment, suffused with ritualized activities.
Working together and hard on a new set of group tasks will generate new bonds of loyalty, as well as new conceptions of happiness, purpose, and self-worth.
It is assumed that by the repeated and relentless control and manipulation of the external behaviour of the subjects of brainwashing (their words and deeds), these people can be reconditioned to continue to censor and refashion themselves.
Ideally, the change effected would be permanent, short of another round of counter-brainwashing(like the 'deprogramming' attempted by the anti-cultists).'

WOW!

More to come in Part #3: The 12 basic claims of brainwashing...

And Part#4: The net result of cult involvement(This is Mind boggling and chilling, in its accuracy...)

(These three stages are quite accurate, in describing both the 'aspirant process' and 'moving into the ashram', and also the format of many of the large 3 day programs in the 1970's, with the 'unfreezing','changing' and 'refreezing' stages(one for each day)...
Think about it...

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:57:31 (GMT)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: La-ex
Subject: Margaret Singer #2(part#1is in Somel thread below)
Message:
God, it is chilling, I am impressed though, that someone has been able to write so clearly about the process in such a generic (is that the right word?, I mean non specific to a particular cult or experience) way.

Thanks for posting these, I look forward to the next parts, with a certain trepidation I confess...
All the best, Lesley

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 12:00:40 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Lesley
Subject: this is exactly waht they did to me in the hospita
Message:
damn. i knew what they were doing, too, the fuckers. i fought them the whole way. they use this system in mentaql hospitals.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:53:50 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: the_avenger55@hotmail.com
To: Everyone
Subject: Happy St. Patrick's Day
Message:
Go néirí leat. (guh nie-ree lat) Best of Luck

I can't find 'Happy St. Patrick's Day' in Irish so this will have to do. It's amazing what you can learn on the internet.

With all the activity here maybe we'll have to change our name to ex-premie pwk.org.

Le meas. (leh mass) With respect

Steve

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:53:25 (GMT)
From: Paddy O'Furniture
Email: None
To: Steve Quint
Subject: Happy St. Patrick's Day and don't forget our own
Message:
EPO Leprechaun Micky O'Donner.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:10:01 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Steve Quint
Subject: St Patrick was English.
Message:
Hi Steve,

Did you know that St Patrick was English?

There's one theory, with evidence, that claims he came from Battersea.

Have a good one Steve, I'll raise a pint o stout t'ye tanate.

Anth Ginn (50% Bushmills Malt)

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:14:39 (GMT)
From: Pat Fitz-Anthony Conlon
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Top of the morinin' to ye.
Message:
Today I will go to mass for my saint's day. We'll have it at Molly Malone's Irish pub on Lincoln Way.

Patricius, steadfast and noble.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:28:14 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Pat Fitz-Anthony Conlon
Subject: Top of the morinin' to ye.
Message:
Hi there Pat,

And a wonderful Paddy's day to you too.

Have you ever been to Ireland? It is a truly wonderful place Pat', and the people are second to none.

You and I would be most at home there. We could wear kilts, and finally get all our personalities together in the same place, at the same time.

So that's a pint for you and a pint for Steve...

Irishman goes into pub in London every Friday night at 9 oclock and orders three pints of Guinness. Every week he does the same thing, drinks them and leaves.

The barman asks him what the story is. The guy has two brothers, the same time every week, wherever in the world they are, they go into a pub and have a pint together- one for each brother.

One week the guy comes in and orders two pints. The barman is concerned, 'I hope it's not bad news? Has one of your brothers died?'

The guy says, 'No, I've given up drinking.'

Sloncha Pat'

Anth Ginn

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:34:03 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: I see a cottage in the mist with smoke
Message:
trickling from the chimney, lots of green grass, singing and dancing. No I've never been there except via Hollywood and of course i'm in love with Hollywood's Ireland.

Maybe a cottage in Ireland to retire to one day.

Dreaming with my eyes open. Off to bed.

PS Did you see that you signed your psot to Cerise as Cerise? I alerted the FA to see if he/she can change it.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:10:22 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: \
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Hi Pat. That's my house
Message:
And the smoke's coming out of my ears. Well, sometimes.
The begorrah begosh version only exists in the celluloid realm and the minds of certain Americans but I suppose it's quite a fun fantasy world. The reality is getting more homogenised every day but there are still pockets of raw untamed nature and people with a twinkle in their eye as if they might have seen a few of the little folk (even if it was at the bottom of a pint of Guinness)
Happy St Patrick's to all exes and lurkers.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:27:26 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Tim G
Subject: I'm green with envy Tim NT
Message:
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:07:00 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Pat and Anth
Subject: Happy St. Pat's lads
Message:
There's no St. Pat's parades in Ireland today due to foot and mouth disease. But there's celebratin' to be done, none the less. And there's no kilt wearing here Anth! You know better than that!

How are ye? Molly Malone's on Lincoln, Pat? Why I've been there a time or two.

Did ye see in MOM's post how the Aussie premies are fretting over the information that makes its way to the forum? I love that that actual discussion found its way here. Much hand wringing going on. Anth, what do you think the EV Latvian Night spies reported? Probably that lovely satsang you read from days gone by.

Love, Marianne Delores Bernadette Burke Bachers

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 21:13:01 (GMT)
From: Such O'Bannan
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Happy St. Pat's lads and lasses. May St. Brigit...
Message:
herself hoist a pint 'o cream stout to ye all...

'Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the center cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is 'loosed' upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is 'loosed', and everywhere
The ceremony of Innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.'

'Greater glory in the sun,
An evening chill upon the air,
Bid imagination run
Much on the Great Questioner;
What He can question, what if questioned I
Can with a fitting confidence reply.'

-- William Butler Yeats

Peace and Lent...

Such O'Bannan

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 12:12:00 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Such O'Bannan
Subject: turning
Message:
oh YES!!! THIS IS MY ALL TIME FAVORITE!! THANK YOU FOR QUOTING IT!! I LOVE THIS!!
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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 21:30:51 (GMT)
From: such
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: luv u, 2.'Surely some revelation is at hand'...(mt
Message:
mt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:30:37 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Happy St. Pat's at Molly Malone's
Message:
Actually I have to work today but even the Chinese are Irish in San Francisco on St Pat's day so I'll have to wear my green tie with the golden harp and uncover my leprechaun ears.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:57:39 (GMT)
From: davie O'm
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Top of the mornin fm O'Detroit
Message:
Hey Lassie...The snow is flying here in O'Detroit.... A Lovely 4 inches fresh today...went to the Parade last sunday 100,000 Irishmen walking down Mich ave...
...Its just like dublin here today...hahahah...Have a green day
Peace...david m
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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 05:20:09 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: davie O'm
Subject: Top of the mornin fm O-Forksville Twp :)
Message:
Dear David,
Hi! Nice to see you here! I'll be emailing soon, I hope, you are on my list! Hope it was a good day.
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:16:47 (GMT)
From: Katie H.
Email: mishkat@tigerriver.com
To: davie O'm
Subject: David M - Hello!
Message:
Long time no see! Happy to hear from you - and hope you are doing well. Brian and I are in Virginia now - not sure if you know about that.

Take care of yourself and have fun celebrating St. Patrick's Day!
Love from
Katie H

P.S. As Marianne knows, I'm 100% NOT Irish - gloomy Swede/pragmatic Swiss-German here...

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:42:16 (GMT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Katie H.
Subject: gloomy swedes?
Message:
nah they are a great race. well maybe you have a point.....they have a high suicide rate .....or did have.

Weird how the part of USA they moved to ( minnesota ? or generally in that area?) was like a mirror image of sweden .....cold ....lots of lakes etc.......

why didnt they go somewhere warm like california or florida hahaha

Dermot

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:50:25 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: I'm just talking about my family (completely OT)
Message:
No insult meant to anyone from Sweden who reads this or the above message! I do think people of Swedish descent tend to be very serious (also very intelligent, despite the stereotype) and can be prone to depression and alcoholism. But that's the people I know personally, of course.

Minnesota is right - North Dakota, too. (Have you ever seen how many bars they have in Minnesota?) Actually, most of the Swedish part of my family is from Connecticut - a few are from Minnesota. And a lot of them ended up retiring to Southern California.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:29:44 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: delores@gofree.indigo.ie
To: david m
Subject: Hey there david too
Message:
Thanks for the weather report. I hope you're not out riding your bike around in that stuff.

I have been thinking of you and hope you are well. Kick some snow sludge out from under your tires for me!!!!!!

Love, Marianne

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:14:39 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: The Scots were Irish once.
Message:
Hi Marianne,

The Scots invaded 'Scotland' sometime around the 5th 6th Centuries, from Ulster. The king of Ulster was also the king of Western 'Scotland'. The Eastern part was rules by the Picts- who were there before the Celtic Scots.

Anyway, what I'm getting round to, is that they do wear kilts in Ireland. They play pipes too, but only under the arm. You need your mouth free for drinking, talking and singing.

I wish someone had pointed out the spys to me. I would have brought them a drink (and put the bill on your room of course.)

Take care Marianne. I think a visit to the Irish pub will be in order today.

Anth who hasn't got a kilt but occasionaly wears a dress.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:21:47 (GMT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: As a kid....
Message:
I was convinced I'd end up as a martyr for dear old Ireland in some IRA cell unit fighting the Brits .....how come the nearest I got to military action was DLM security ??

.....and food security at that !!

Happy Paddy's y'all

Dermot Peadar Patrick Mullan.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:04:09 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: food security?
Message:
Well I do remember having to wait in a line for ever to get the kids a tofu sandwich so I guess things could have gotten a little shaky :)
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:09:03 (GMT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: yup Selene, gotta be careful..tofu or semtex? nt
Message:
xx
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:50:40 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: tofu or semtex?
Message:
Don't really know. My kids wouldn't eat any of that stuff except the yoghurt and the Dr. Bronner's cheese thingies. Remember those? I'll bet you had to put extra guards around those. They were good. Comparatively speaking anyway.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:58:23 (GMT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: tofu or semtex?
Message:
Well a semtex burger would have probably blown them up to Kingdom come so They prob didn't have one of them ....I remeber once being seriously told NOT to let any of the service premies PRE- programme anywhere near the fridge .

I'm proud to report that I ignored military orders on many an occasion.

Lieutenant Dermot

Divine food Regiment

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 15:57:52 (GMT)
From: EV Spin Doctor
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: Thanks For The Info
Message:
Thank you for sharing. We can now claim that we saved young people not only from the drug culture but from martyrdom as well.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:26:48 (GMT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: EV Spin Doctor
Subject: Thanks For The Info
Message:
or maybe I saved myself from martyrdom, the drug culture and most important of all EV.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:40:18 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: delores@gofree.indigo.ie
To: Dermot
Subject: Dermot...
Message:
Are you in Ireland? I thought I saw a post saying you were, but maybe I'm wrong. If you don't want to say here, you can email me. I'm in Cork for a few months, but live in San Francisco.

Food security? Did you help Sir Dave guard The Big Cheese?

Marianne

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:59:28 (GMT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Marianne..
Message:
No I'm over here in the 'ould enemy ' camp haha.

My last stint of Divine food security was in Malaga I think....

I moved on from that to guarding a totally empty field in Lingfield.......and was eventually promoted to a top position of guarding ' nothing in particular' but remebering Holy name more intensely than evr before.

Drat !! never got to kill any bongos though .....and they called it seurity hmph !!

No havent been over to Erin for yonks....I'm what Irish buddies and relatives call a' plastic paddy' ie first generation English with Irish ma and da etc. Used to go every year for 2 months till I was in late teens then my devotion was lost a little due to LSD intake of a hgh order.

I'm claiming my Irish passport soon though because I cant stand being a 'subject' of the Queen any more haaa ..

I was probably more devoted to the Irish cause than a lot of Irish folks ( tho we had friends in the south ) because we were catholics from Armagh in the north ......so the injustice and discrimination was blatant....

ah were off to Dublin in the green , in the green ,,,without bayonets flashing in the sun ......were off to join the IRA to the echo of a thompson gun......

as I often think .......what a long strange trip it's been !!

How's Cork ......can you understand them that far south ? Cork lingo is one on its own aint it?

Cheers Dermot

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:19:43 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Yes 'n Brits owned Ireland once too
Message:
But there's no fecking kilt wearing here today!

As for the spies, Kelly and I almost did buy them drinks as they were practically sitting in our laps at the bar, paying such close attention to the discussion we were having.

Did Dot have fun? Will we see you for LN SF?

My time here is almost gone. Boo hoo.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:15:50 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Yes 'n Brits owned Ireland once too
Message:
Dear Marianne,
Hey what happened! So sorry I missed you so many times when you called! :( If you email your phone number I'll call you, I need to know what country also. :)
Love ya,
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:49:04 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Mainly Republican propaganda. (ot)
Message:
Hi Marianne,

The Republicans talk about '800 years of British misrule' in Ireland.

When you dig around and find out what they mean, it's the so called 'Invasion of the Normans', where, because a war was going badly with a neighboring King, an Irish King formed an alliance with a Norman Lord called Strongbow, who had an army of Norman knights, Dutch mercenaries, and Welsh archers. To avoid war with Strongbows army, the other Irish kings invited Henry II to become king of Ireland too (He was French by the way.)

So, the French king, Henry, who couldn't speak English and only ever spent 7 months in the country, along with Welsh archers, Dutch Mercernaries, and Norman knights, at the invitation of the Irish kings, constitutes the start of 'British misrule.' The British, at the time, were also being misruled by the Normans, who had beat their previous German king Harald.

It's not as simple as it seems.

Anth the Anglo-Celtic-Norman-we all came from Africa anyway.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:04:37 (GMT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Mainly Republican propaganda. (ot)
Message:
Yup Anth we all know what's in the history books ......but do you know how cruel that misrule was ? pretty god damned awful at times ........if the English were overtaken byt the Germans for 2 weeks in the second world war .....you wouldnt hear the end of it from the English for about the next thousand years ......

So give the republican propaganda some slack ......they've earned the right.

Dermot

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:15:28 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: Respect Dermot.
Message:
It's just that the miserable English animals who were fucking over the Irish for a few centuries, were also fucking over most of the people living in England at the same time.

I hate it when Americans see English Aristocrats, or upper class, on their TV and then pronounce, 'The British think they are so superior.'

We know this. For centuries, the aristocracy treated most people as livestock, occasionally cannon-fodder, and more recently, factory slaves. They have been acting superior over here since the bloody Ice Age. Americans don't need to tell us about it.

Of course, we've got our little Englander, nazi, housing estate scumbags too, but they really are a minority.

So, Dermot, my personal opinion is that Britain and Ireland should be reunited, and the government should be in Dublin.

Anth the Afro Celt Sound System.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:40:57 (GMT)
From: Mercedes
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Love Afro Celt Sound Sistem (nt)
Message:
n
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:21:43 (GMT)
From: Tim G
Email: timgitti@indigo.ie
To: Mercedes
Subject: Love Afro Celt Sound System..me too
Message:
Hi Mercedes
Especially the 2nd album. A new more acoustic one is just about complete and will be quite a change I believe. Am friends with Iarla O'Lionaird who sings with them and has 2 FABULOUS albums of his own. Check out his 1st solo album 'Seven Steps To Mercy' on REALWORLD CDRW67 7243 8 44647 2 1 . I rate it as the best contemporary Irish album. Produced by Michael Brook.
Love
Tim
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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 00:58:00 (GMT)
From: Mercedes
Email: None
To: Tim G
Subject: Afro Celt Sound System and more
Message:
Thanks Tim I will try to get that CD.
Mercedes
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:33:56 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Tim G
Subject: Hi Tim
Message:
We didn't get a chance to talk much last Saturday. I think a trip to the West is in order. I'll call you and we can talk dates. What do you think?

Marianne

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:45:28 (GMT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: I agree Anth...
Message:
The Aristos treated the Welsh, english , Scots and Irish like shit. What gets me though is that the common( for want of a beter word, no offence implied) men & women of Wales, Scotland and Ireland are much more aware of this than the English counterpart. Maybe because they were actually different countries as opposed to regions of England. Yet I concede......the English have produced some of the greatest radical thinkers and general commendable weirdos ( !) in the worlds history.....

Without English radicalism the USA would'nt even exist.....

From Watt tyler to thomas Payne from Blake to .....well take your pick .....so many great ( non-aristocratic) English people...

As for the Americans .....have they got a clue? Well I think they vaguely know that Mexico is some place down south and Canada is some place up north ( or is it the other way round? ! ) as for the rest of the world ? well ......there's America really, isn't there ?? .....I mean GOD created America ( hmmm maybe he created Israel too ) but he just left the rest of the world to evolution.

Dermot..

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:44:48 (GMT)
From: Mercedes
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: Americans...
Message:
As for the Americans .....have they got a clue? Well I think they
vaguely know that Mexico is some place down south and Canada is
some place up north ( or is it the other way round? ! ) as for the rest
of the world ? well ......there's America really, isn't there ?? .....I
mean GOD created America ( hmmm maybe he created Israel too )
but he just left the rest of the world to evolution.


I totally agree with you Dermont, Americans have no clue. Anyway thanks for the history lessons.
Mercedes

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 13:31:55 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Mercedes
Subject: Americans...
Message:
Hi Mercedes,

I read that in a survey of American graduates, 65% of them could find Europe on a blank map of the world, and 35% of them couldn't find the USA.

I've thought about this for a while, and come to the conclusion- that's probably a higher percentage than you'd get from most other countries.

Anth, not long since living in a tree in Africa.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:01:42 (GMT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Mercedes
Subject: Americans...
Message:
Of course I was GENERALIZING somewhat .....there are loads of great yanks here , there and everywhere..

especially here !!

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:45:53 (GMT)
From: Thelma
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: As an African-American lesbian of Irish descent
Message:
as well as French, Dutch and yeggh English and Hottentot and Lithuanian Jewish blood I take exception to all your generalizations. Us bastards will rule the world one day.

The British invented concentration camps during the Boer War. The Empire could not defeat my ragtag Boer ancestors who waged guerilla war so they rounded up the women and children and put them in camps and then burned all the farms to the ground in a scorched earth policy. 120,000 Boers died in those camps.

Happy St Pat's Day and long live all rebels!

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:57:40 (GMT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Thelma
Subject: haha Thelma, you mongrel bitch rebel heart !
Message:
Yeah and who was there glorifying in all the Boer suffering......the great Winston S Churchill ...that fat old alcoholic reactionary empire loving fart of world renown...

......if yer Irish come into the parlour.....

Hey were gettin getting really nasty and political today hahahaha

....ah well ......one world one love lets get together and feel alright hahaha

hooray to everyone in the world (cept the english upper class aristos)

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:30:58 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: post@rmi.net
To: Everyone
Subject: New GetSmart card prototype
Message:
OK, folks. Our R&D department here at GetSmart has been working overtime to bring you the very latest in totally unsynchronized GetSmart card design. We'd really like to replace the EV Smart Card (tm) and mmmm put it behind us.

Here's the deal.

#1. Check out the prototype. New Card Prototype Is Here

#2. Let me know by email if you want your own card to be arranged tastefully on a web page. If so, tell me name you want on it, country, favorite number or letter combination (I used my knowledge date).

#3. I have saved most of the recent photos posted or you can email me another one.

#4. Scanner or tech questions, suggestions, comments of amazement = email me. I don't want to clog the forum with this so use email. Too much good stuff now.

It's obvious the photo thing (as opposed to the alias thing) is very popular so I hope this is fun for all. Bobby has said he will be doing a Then / Now page so contact him about that.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 15:47:49 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: post@rmi.net
To: Richard
Subject: GetSmart now available in these colors
Message:
I forgot to mention, if you decide to order your GetSmart card, they are available in these colors:

Malibu Blues (shown on prototype), Miami Hot Pink, Kissimmee Tangerine, Swiss Bank Account Green, and Holi Rainbow Swirl. Please specify your choice.

International GetSmart Coordinator

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 23:17:06 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Brilliant, Richard
Message:
Make mine Malibu blue.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:34:49 (GMT)
From: Mercedes
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: GetSmart now available in these colors
Message:
Richar you have too much time on your hands. Thanks for the laughs.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:41:17 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Mercedes
Subject: GetSmart now available in these colors
Message:
I'm sooooo busted! Got to work today because I played all week.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:13:58 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: New GetSmart card prototype
Message:
Can mine say that I am the Satanic Priestess of EPO? Hilarious, Richard.

By the way, I loved your moniker 'Postie'. It had such a warm, fuzzy feeling to it. Glad you're out and about now though.

Marianne

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 07:52:42 (GMT)
From: Babs
Email: ralphie@ralphiescafe.com
To: Richard
Subject: You are the WhizKid.LOL.nt
Message:
LOL
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:02:57 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Babs
Subject: Out and proud. My pix on the way
Message:
I just want to thank all of you guys who posted your pics. They are worth more than a thousand words in that they show that we are free of fear and quite out and proud - or is that too faggy.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:29:48 (GMT)
From: Mercedes
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Out and proud. My pix on the way
Message:
I think the 'out and proud' is okay, loved it. I will be sending my pix soon, still in the fear zone for now.
Mercedes
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:24:56 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: pdconlon@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes
Subject: Out and proud and talk to me anytime you want
Message:
Been there Mercedes. I hope you have strong allies in real life behind the scenes. If you need me I'm here.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:44:48 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Mercedes
Subject: Mercedes - fear zone
Message:
At least you are aware of the fear zone. Until I started posting under my name, I didn't realize how much energy was stored up in me as fear. And I haven't been 'plugged in' since 1988! Thanks for your honesty.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:21:00 (GMT)
From: Cerise
Email: we have too many
To: Forum Admin
Subject: What happened to my new thread?
Message:
Ok, so this is supposed to be a democratic forum operating under the standard usds, webmaster's coc codes etc? Why then, pray tell, have my last three postings disappeared? They contained none of the required language or insults to result in a removal of post. I was referring to the similarity of AA to some of the posts here, that's all.
Of course, I'm sure you appreciate that you can't stop anyone anyway, particularly people with computer experience who can log on to this simple forum format in any time they want - also screw the thing up no end if we felt so inclined (I am an xml programmer (we used to be called 'hackers' until corporations paid us shitloads to do the dirty work FOR them instead of against. I've coded in every language since basic and machine c in the early 80's)

So I hope my next posts remain where I put them or your site will experience some interesting javascript inversions and cgi 'differentials'. Like I said, I'll do it for fun as well as annoyance, just remember, some of us have 50 or more computer sites to post from, guess your admin needs to be kept busy eh?

BTW, I've watched the EPO 'progress' from cruddy bulletin board format in April 97 till now. Believe me it's still incredibly crude for a current international webzone. Do you offer work? I'll consult for $375 pr hr.
C

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 02:18:23 (GMT)
From: hacker
Email: None
To: Cerise
Subject: machine c?
Message:
'I am an xml programmer (we used to be called 'hackers' until corporations paid us shitloads to do the dirty work FOR them instead of against. I've coded in every language since basic and machine c in the early 80's)
So I hope my next posts remain where I put them or your site will experience some interesting javascript inversions and cgi 'differentials'.'

It's XML, not xml. Can you tell me why XML is called XML?

Not all programmers were/are considered hackers. XML programmers didn't even exist until recently. There's a difference between hackers and crackers.

It's humanly impossible to have coded in every language since the early 80's. Besides, Basic was invented in 1964 by John Kemeny and Tom Kurtz.

'machine c'? What's that? There's machine code and C, but I've never heard of 'machine c'.

'javascript inversions'? 'cgi differentials'? What's an 'international webzone'? Let's here about it, I'm all ears.

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 06:19:25 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: hacker
Subject: good points
Message:
But the point is. It's taken this idiot so long to get here. 20 years or something, now that is long.

Anyway Doesn't matter what he says, people will post here even if they have to write on paper and scan it to make a point. I don't think anyone give a fart about this character.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:58:05 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Cerise
Subject: and stick his xml up his nose
Message:
boofhead.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:36:30 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Cerise
Subject: Well all I can say is
Message:

FUCK OFF

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:39:42 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Well all you can do, Salam, is send him a virus
Message:
Just kidding but he does have two email addresses.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:07:08 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Well all you can do, Salam, is send him a virus
Message:
The top post should have been a reply to yours, now how did it get up there? am starting to lean towards this fellow.

Do you think he is an implant?

I have noticed that whenever things start heating up against the maha, suddenly we get premies coming out of the bushes posting and threatening, like our esteemed MR Cherise. But they have all turned into ashes.

XML he says. Oh no, BRIAN, ye eer that now. you stop sleepin and say somethin.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:10:18 (GMT)
From: Thelma
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Excuse me Salam but I am the only premie implant
Message:
I paid plenty for my new silicone tits. Just kidding. I never know when you understand my jokes or not.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:58:16 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: implant? hahaha so cute
Message:
Sorry Salam that's cute. Is an implant a form of Bil Gates plant? I hear Bill wants to force an XML standard.

Or is that implant as in the kind M seems to have gotten for those boob pics?

Selene - being clubby and chummy

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 06:06:28 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: A MUSHROOM
Message:
you boofheads.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:22:47 (GMT)
From: sb
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: ot
Message:
hi sweetheart!!

Happy green day!

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:39:42 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: sb
Subject: Hi ot
Message:
The Irish in me is wanting to go for a drive and look at the only wild flowers we will have this year. Probably a bad day to drive around though, I hear our city was founded by some of my Irish ilk.
It's beautiful here today. Wish you were here. I hope all is OK.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:46:10 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Hi ot
Message:
All is fine, thanks.

I'll call you one of these days, soon. I miss laughing with you. :) I am not at home.

The weather here? Snowed again! yuck!

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:18:30 (GMT)
From: Mercedes
Email: None
To: Cerise
Subject: What happened to my new thread?
Message:
Cerise I guess you have forgotten how traumatic it is to exit a cult. I am new and I am really sorry to read you take offense when people express pain or the need for support. As for the similarity with AA I have no idea but you must have some experience to be expressing an opinion.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 13:11:29 (GMT)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: Mercedes
Subject: Well said Mercedes nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 08:51:26 (GMT)
From: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Email: None
To: Cerise
Subject: Sounds like you've got a kangaroo loose in the top
Message:
paddock.You don't need to threaten us Cerise,we are a nice bunch of people.We really are.

Cheers Tony.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 07:29:19 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Cerise
Subject: FA, This post contains threat, should be reported
Message:
to Cerise's ISP. Thank you.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 08:53:03 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: I agree...
Message:
Cerise's 'apology' notwithstanding the following says it all:

. Like I said, I'll do it for fun as well as annoyance, just remember, some of us have 50 or more computer sites to post from, guess your admin needs to be kept busy eh?

A threat's a threat and this one is not remotely ambiguous.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 07:17:57 (GMT)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: Cerise
Subject: What happened to my new thread?
Message:
Cerise,

I hope you appreciate that for me and many others this space is about healing. Don't threaten to mess with it.

And please drop the macho hacker thing...

Abi

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:33:49 (GMT)
From: dumb dumb me (Cerise)
Email: None
To: dumb dumb (me, Cerise)
Subject: PROFUSE APOLOGIES ADMIN STAFF
Message:
I'd like to formally apologise to the forum admin. It seems the inactive and active index engines operate sometimes at cross purposes thus rendering recent posts invisible. When I posted my recent ranting, rude and threatening message I saw the old ones stright away and my facwe reddened somewhat. Now perhaps I'll shut up and keep reading the sensible and intelligent posts that this forum has many of. Please try though, to minimise the clubby angst ridden feelgood stuff, it really belittles the importance of some of the wisdom and intelligence being offered. Perhaps a separte chat room could be opened for those in need of a therapy session or non sensical rave?
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:53:16 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: dumb dumb me (Cerise)
Subject: oh shut up
Message:
god the worst thing for me - snooty computing boasts AND editorial critique on my only 2 days away from geeks (though mine are much nicer)
12 stepper are ye now? If not get a little something for the ole chip on your shoulder now would ya?
The clubbiness comes and goes and there's lots of new people bonding here right now. It's nice to see and the real content always gets through. If you have so many people to talk to one the net then why not do that until this place meets your standards?

selene - first cup of coffee

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 08:19:22 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: oh shut up
Message:
is this cup of coffee tie up with the one below, am only counting how many you had.

This character is sure not popular, yes?

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 18:02:43 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: hi salam
Message:
2 cups a day is my limit. I get too wired otherwise.
Not wired like this character though, I am not smart enough.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:49:02 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: dumb dumb me (Cerise)
Subject: PROFUSE APOLOGIES me too, so now
Message:
So now you can really

Fuck OFF

sheesh, can't center it, never mind, hope you got the message. Would you like me to send you a Salami special?

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:07:14 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: dumb dumb me (Cerise)
Subject: Make your mind up Cerise.
Message:
You come here raving that someone has been messing with your posts, threatening to pour Java custard over our forum, then the next minute you want the FA to 'to minimise the clubby angst ridden feelgood stuff' on the forum.

So what it it cerise, censorship or freedom?

And you'd like us to open a chat room too.

Well, thanks for all your advice.

Now, about this cult...

Anth I'll make a note of all your suggestions and pass them to the board.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:32:24 (GMT)
From: janet of venice
Email: None
To: dumb dumb me (Cerise)
Subject: i opened a chat room in talkcity last week
Message:
the room name is EPOF5. its always there but on;ly when someone goes there.

cherise (means 'cherry' in french) i have a beter idea--turn your considerable skills onto maharaji's site and all the nauseating EV, VI and enjoyinglife sites. like putting our best stuff over on their sites by surprise. roger;s mammaries, the altered( and not altared) 3rd finger smile....dettmers account of the bicycle hit and run in india...

you get the idea.
i mean, i wouldnt be the least bit troubled if that were to happen. would any of you mind if it did??.....

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 08:03:52 (GMT)
From: Babs
Email: ralphie@ralphierscafe.com
To: Cerise
Subject: sorry to hear about your red facwe
Message:
too much red wine, maybe? me, too. nighty-night!
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:42:12 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: dumb dumb me (Cerise)
Subject: Cerise you need therapy
Message:
First you post threatening messages and then you apologise. That is typical behavior of ALCOHOLIC ABUSERS like Rawat. You have a lot of work to do to prove your sincerity here. However if you are typical of that type of abuser you will simply play games of fake repentance followed by more abuse.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 07:01:22 (GMT)
From: Cerise
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: You're probably right Pat
Message:
You're right Pat, I have no smartarse rejoinder to that.
Guess I'll just watch for awhile until I have something of relevence to offer.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 07:30:45 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Cerise
Subject: Are you drunk, Cerise? Go to AA! NT
Message:
k
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:58:57 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Many regular posters occasionally show up drunk
Message:
and worse. If everyone who did that went to AA, there'd be less hits here than on Enjoyingsnot.com

At least young cerise had the good manners to apologise for her initial hasty outburst.

Come on Pat, it's your saint's day. Show mercy on the poor soul.

Anth, (ignore anything posted tonight, 'If you're Irish, come into the parlour, there's a welcome here for you. If your name is Timothy or Pat', as long as you come from Ireland there's a welcome on the mat.' So I guess that lets you in Pat'.)

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:25:12 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Many regular posters occasionally show up drunk
Message:
Dear Anth,
I don't drink for the most part, a slight buzz on a special occassion because I am diabetic but I DO show up 'and worse', I guess. :)
Love,
Robyn it isn't really worse, is it? :)
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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 13:36:03 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Not at all Robyn
Message:
cough cough cough cough
where are my shoes?
cough cough cough
what's my name?
cough cough
now I came in here for something but I can't remember what
cough
anth
cough
secret pal of ricola jane
spit
cough
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:22:33 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Occassional posters regularly show up drunk NT
Message:
k
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:05:49 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Anth and Pat and Mick occasionally show up drunk
Message:
I thought I was showing mercy. That was my sober Dutch side. Wait till he sees my drunken Irish side.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:35:14 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: you were drunk for your first post here and
Message:
you didnt go to AA...mae.
i say, lets find out what the girl wants. why is she here? where does she stand on the issues?
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:03:58 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: so rub my nose in it won't you?
Message:
I never drink more than two glasses of wine and two joints. I'm a cheap drunk. This one sounds a bit like two others who posted here drunk as skunks and belligerent. Can't stand a hostile drunk.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:29:38 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: so rub my nose in it won't you?
Message:
Dear Pat,
Years ago when I was drinking I saw a bartender that had been working the night before. She had little brusies all over her cheeks. I asked what happened and she said I kept pinching her cheecks! Is that passive/agressive hostile? :) Lordy I use to preform! I drank vodka and water or Yukon Jack and water and god to I sometimes miss it. :)
Love,
Robyn the Italian with a half Irish daughter
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:08:08 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: How do you swallow the joints Pat?
Message:
How do you swallow the joints Pat? Don't they get stuck in your throat.

Anth, about to light up a glass of Bordeaux.

PS. That reminds me of Dave Johns, a late friend, who about 30 years ago was lighting a joint when a policeman appeared at our living room window. Dave immediately swallowed the whole burning joint in front of the cops eyes, then smiled. Yeah man. They were the days. Stay away from the towers. Watch out for the brown acid. Fuck, we were so spaced out some jerk could have come along in a papier mache crown, told us he was Lord Krishna, and we would have believed him.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:04:18 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: That gave me my first guffaw of the day, Anth
Message:
Yep, I was seeing so many things on acid flashbacks that when the little Hindu from Hardwar showed up I thought he was St Patrick and decided to party with him but he really turned out to be the biggest fucking Nazi of them all.

Seek help, Uberfuhrer Rawat.

PS I love your Captain Rawat thing but I have a hunch so does he so I'm boycotting it. Prefer Rev Rawat since I am so allergic to god-vendors, preachers and priests. It's the worst thing I can call him in my world-view. ''Men of God'' are the pond scum in the lake of life.

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 13:45:51 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Sunday morning chuckles.
Message:
Hi Pat,

You set Dot and I chuckling this morning- afternoon.

Whenever I think of 'Captain Rawat', I see him all dressed up in his Captain suit, pretending he's an airline pilot, but not quite getting the hang of it. Like when he did he ridiculous slide shows- where he knew you put up graphs and talked about them, but that was as far as it went. It's all image and front.

That's why I find the image such a laugh. Sure he can fly his plane. Big deal. It's the pretence that he's someone else that cracks me up. Like as if he got dressed up as a cop, and went around pretending he really was one.

Instead he's a has-been guru in rapid decline, with insatiable material tastes, and no respect whatsoever for his fellow human beings. Plus the poor sod thinks he's created the Universe.

Ah well, such is the vast tapestry of life.

Anth the smart bard

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 13:51:22 (GMT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Sunday morning chuckles.
Message:
Dear Anth,
Well, of course! An airplane captin, I've been picturing him as a pirate! :) Talk about chuckles! Eye patch, wooden leg, colorful garb, bandana, earing! Hahahahahahaha! Doesn't make any logic sense but hell it is lots funnier don't you think?! :)
Love,
Robyn who knows who CAPTIN Hook is
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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 14:06:33 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Hi Robyn.
Message:
Okay, the image is funnier. I admit it.

But the image I have, he really believes in it. It's like he plays dressing up- like those accountants who get dressed up in khaki and drive around in military vehicles at the weekend. He makes everyone call him Captain Rawat- and while he's dressed like that, he doesn't want anyone to know he moonlights as Lord of the Universe.

It reminds me of those dictators that give themselves loads of medals.

I think there's even a script in there somewhere.

Take care

ricola jane's boyfriend.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:24:16 (GMT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: easy
Message:
he swallowed them, then drank the wine, see.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:20:18 (GMT)
From: cerise
Email: None
To: Forum Admin
Subject: What happened to my new thread?
Message:
Ok, so this is supposed to be a democratic forum operating under the standard usds, webmaster's coc codes etc? Why then, pray tell, have my last three postings disappeared? They contained none of the required language or insults to result in a removal of post. I was reffering to the similarity of AA to some of the posts here.
Of course, I'm sure you appreciate that you can't stop anyone anyway, particularly people with computer experience who can log on to this simple forum format in any time they want - also screw the thing up no end if we felt so inclined (I am an xml programmer and coder of every language since basic and machine c)

I hope my next posts remain where I put them or your site will experience some interesting javascript inversions and cgi 'differentials'.
C

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 01:45:09 (GMT)
From: moldy warp
Email: None
To: cerise
Subject: Now that's not very compassionate, is it?
Message:
Sounds a bit threatening to me. Not very nice. And definitely not on for a follower of a 'Teacher' who supposedly espouses some sort of doctrine about love and inner joy and satisfaction etc. You don't sound too satisfied to me.
Peace and love from Moldy
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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 10:52:10 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: moldy warp
Subject: Now that's not very compassionate, is it?
Message:
Love? Inner joy? Satisfaction? You're kidding, Moldy. Those things come from having a clear conscience not some weird amoral, quasi-spiritual neo-Hindu religion. Give the guy a break. His handicap is too big.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:39:02 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: cerise
Subject: hohum same o same o. nt
Message:
some people just repeat themselves...never think of anything new to say. must be newbies on the internet...ya think?

;->

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:49:04 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: newbie yeah and with all that expertise!
Message:
XML programmer, 'hacker' the holy grail of computing labels, and he/she can't find her way around the forum. It must be the forums fault of course.

grrrr../ ok second cup of coffee should kick in, i'll be nice.
Oh it's St. Pat's day. Maybe Cerise and me can go on over to an AA meeting. sheesh. I think I'll have an Irish coffee. sorry cerise.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:11:50 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Tony, Connie what is it about marsupial PWKs?
Message:
Like Catweasle and Cerise. They are really nasty. I do not know any pewkies in USA, UK or South Africa who are so vicious. The ones I know may not be perfect but at least they are courteous and often warm and loving. Every time an anonymous marsupial pewkie troll posts here their words are dripping with venom and spite.

I do realize that they may be emulating their master who is a vicious, immoral, lying, two-faced cheat but look at the nice premies we have like Erika. I thought perhaps it was that amoral, deceitful, esoteric, secret, arcane Krishna-ism that they believe in that made them like this but it really only seems to be Aussie pewkies who are so bitter and twisted.

Perhaps they feel, like their master, that they are above being held accountable to the standards of decent human neighborliness and common decency.

Please enlighten me before I start being prejudiced against Aussies. Up till now I have met only terrific Aussies and find them unpretentious and straightforward not creepy and sneaky and sly like the marsupial pewkie trolls who visit FV.

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 01:48:57 (GMT)
From: Catweasel
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Here are Two Shovels;Now take your Pick!!
Message:
Lets have a good look at this. Firstly I am an Australian. When permitted to I have always posted as Catweasel. My prescence here predates yours by several years and Forums.
Put simply ,people such as Jim ,Nigel ,Jerry et al, et al have attacked and insulted me from day one. Put me in the pigeon hole you so aptly describe.So what do you want me to do ? - smile whilst these thugs smash me around the head on a constant basis?Get real;there is no authority on correctness here. Or is there?
As others have said Aussies approach things differently-no bullshit, up front
If you dont like what I have to say , join the club...Dont read it.But if you take the time to find out ,I have had some very reasonable conversations with a range of people both here and over at AG . So Patrick , this is how I confuse Irishmen.
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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 05:54:11 (GMT)
From: Jim ;[
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Now who in the world's gonna believe that, Cat?
Message:
Put simply ,people such as Jim ,Nigel ,Jerry et al, et al have attacked and insulted me from day one

I don't care if you get the Angel Maroni himself to put this on a tablet, Cat, no one in the world could possbily take you seriously.

But, Cat, I can help. I am here to help. Reach out, Cat. We can talk.

Jim
The Premie's Friend

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 05:31:43 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: pdconlon@yahoo.com
To: Catweasel
Subject: Catweasle, you're a pommy not an Aussie
Message:
Didn't you emigrate from UK? Makes you a pom, mate, and you killed my bloody ancestors. Just kidding. If I were into buying into historical racial prejudices, that's what I would say but I don't.

If I bought into established relationships here on FV I would start calling you names but I won't. Sure I've teased and needled you here and there but you are not MY enemy. And you've said terribly rude things about Thelma, Victoria, sweetie darling - but I took them in jest.

I have actually been curious about you and have been hoping to have a chat with you but your historical record here seems to have cornered you into make cryptic remarks, running little ambushes against Jim and waging guerrilla warfare against your other buddies here.

I'm new so why not give me the benefit of the doubt and I will assume that you too are sincere. If you feel that you can't let your guard down and talk man to man or self-made woman to self-made woman, then email me.

And, BTW I love Aussies. As I said to Lesley earlier I blame the Aussies who were staying at the Fountainbleu Hotel in July 77 for making me come to the US.

The Aussies and the South Africans all had to stay for two weeks to get cheap airfares so we had a whale of a time after Guru Puja and I thought to myself I'm moving to USA. Well, I came back the next year. No Aussies. No fun. But nowhere's perfect. Least of all FV.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:49:46 (GMT)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Aussies call a spade a shovel
Message:
Australians aren't taught the industrial strength 'niceness' that Erica typifies. Sorry to drip with a bit of venom, but I think that post of yours was a bit mean! Regards, Lesley
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 21:24:44 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Lesley
Subject: Lesley I was taking a dig at two particular roos
Message:
Pussyweasle and Cerise. It was meant as a joke at their expense. I blame Aussies for moving to USA. I came to Miami guru puja 77 and the hotel was full of roos and I fell in love with them. I moved to USA in 78 thinking it would be the same but no roos and I was miserable as hell. I love Aussies. Prefer spades to fake niceness.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 22:03:02 (GMT)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Just found your post to me in the inactive
Message:
Thanks for missing me! I needed to step back for a bit. I was getting into a bit of an emotional tangle over the forum, feeling a bit confused too.

Went to Sydney, and then 'me, my family and friends be praised' took possession of a beautiful new kiln and we have done two firings, very very happy with the kiln and the results! Love lesley

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:56:15 (GMT)
From: Katie H.
Email: None
To: Lesley
Subject: Aussies call a spade a shovel
Message:
Hi Lesley -
Australians aren't taught the industrial strength 'niceness' that Erica typifies.

Australians are VERY lucky, then! I'm not referring to Erica personally, but that supposed 'niceness' has ruined a lot of lives here in North America. I am both a recovering victim and a recovering perpetrator of said 'niceness'. My life would have been very different if I had been encouraged to call a spade a shovel, as you put it.

Take care - good to 'see' you.
Katie

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 21:31:13 (GMT)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: Katie H.
Subject: Aussies call a spade a shovel
Message:
Dear katie, Great to hear from you, and thanks for posting that. I first became aware of it when I stayed with a premie couple in santa monica in the seventies. I confess I really enjoyed it, particularly the way they said my name with a lovely soft 's', really pretty sound. What you said sorta confirmed what I felt, that though it was so commendable, that it was causing stresses because it wasn't somehow freeflowing, too much of a construct.

I got my own brand from growing up in post war britain. I remember when I was about ten, my mother (I have a really lovely mum) telling me that she thought I would make a good social worker. No wonder Maharaji with his no responsibility campaign was attractive! Love Lesley

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 23:10:03 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Lesley
Subject: Terminal niceness
Message:
Hi Lesley -
I definitely remember the added pressure that being a premie put on my learned injunctions to be 'nice' all the time. ('If you can't say anything nice about someone, don't say anything at all.' and so forth). I was an angry and rebellious child who told the truth as I saw it and was almost smothered into submission by people telling me that anger was WRONG, and that what I saw as the truth wasn't 'nice' to talk about. (My mother never told ME I would make a good social worker :)!) Of course, being involved with M just exacerbated that problem. It was EXTREMELY stressful and stifling not to be allowed to show anger or to tell the truth, no matter how bitchy one might sound.

Love,
Katie H.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:05:42 (GMT)
From: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: No,I haven't taken offence
Message:
one iota.I didn't know Connie was an Aussie.Yeah,most aussies are laid back and esay to get along with(except for Catweasel) of course,
It seems that k takes the aussie out of them and leaves them as bitter(victorian bitter) twisted dried up drongos.lol.
All this talk of Victorian bitter is making me thirsty.
I feel as dry as a dead dingo's donga on a dry desert day.
Cheers Tony.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:36:39 (GMT)
From: Cerise
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Tony, Connie what is it about marsupial PWKs?
Message:
hey Conlon,
you're saying a lot more about yourself here than anyone else.
I'm not an Aussie btw...
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:26:16 (GMT)
From: Connie
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Don't know, FA and Pat
Message:
Dear Pat

I know who I am, and know why I post here. I will stand firm, because I want to see my own deconstructing process through.

To appease your mistrust of me that I feel you have, FA can confirm I am not any of these posters.

I am requesting this as I have no time or space for these dramas, they are not why I am here. Once FA confirms this, could you please respect my space and effort.

FA could you please do this?

To answer your question, I don't know. I've experienced nice and horrible all over the world. I don't think it is limited to Australia.

Maybe Amaroo gives people an added fervour, it can get pretty nasty. But I've heard premies/pwk are hurting all over the world.

Thanks

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:10:12 (GMT)
From: Katie H.
Email: None
To: Connie
Subject: Australian exes are the greatest!
Message:
Hi Connie -
I hope you and Pat cleared up the misunderstanding. I didn't get the feeling at all that he was implying that you or anyone other Aussie ex here was posing as Cherise. I don't think anyone else here would think that for a minute. Your posts are most sincere, and very welcome here, and I think your honesty about what you are going through and have gone through is probably helping many other people as well.

I don't know if this is something you need to hear, but I just wanted you to know that the interactions I've had with ex-premies from Australia (TD/Kirstie, Diz, Lesley, Jude, Bill from Perth, Salam, Peter Howie, Aussie Ji, and you, of course - plus others who I am sure I am leaving out!) have been wonderful. Brian and I recently had the privelege of meeting TD/Kirstie in person here in the US, which was great. We just wish she lived closer to us - or vice versa. We only hope that we can come to Oz some day and meet as many of you as we can. BTW, it was so exciting when the first ex-premie from Oz posted on this forum a long time ago - really made the place feel international...

I should also say that I don't agree with Pat Conlon about Aussie PWK's. Mel Bourne is one of the most reasonable premies I've spoken to on and off the forum, and although we disagree about M, I value his integrity and the work he does in the 'Real World'. I don't even think Catweasel is that bad - he will talk honestly if people talk to him straight up, although he does like to yank people's chains. And there have been, as you said, nice and nasty people from all over the world posting here.

Take care -
Love from Katie H.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 22:04:02 (GMT)
From: Connie
Email: None
To: Katie H.
Subject: Thanks, Katie, it was
Message:
more about things in me.

What a trip.

Each time the fear and paranoia surface and overtake me I am surprised.

Others I have spoken to have gone through similar things, I know it's part of the process of exiting, but I just don't like it.

Ho hum.

Touched me that you thought of me.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 23:00:38 (GMT)
From: Katie H.
Email: None
To: Connie
Subject: Connie, I really appreciate your honesty
Message:
And as I said above, I am sure it helps a lot of other people who may just be lurking around here.

Fear and paranoia and unreasonable secrecy seem to be an integral part of M's organization now. I read Moll's posts above (or below) and can't believe how scared EV is of this site and forum. I mean, we're just talking about things like revealing details of conversations about events at Amaroo - what's to be scared of?

Anyway, I'm sure you don't like those feelings - I can relate. I have gone through a couple of paranoid episodes since posting on this forum (it can be very contagious!) and they are not fun.

Take care of yourself - glad you are here.
Love from Katie H.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:38:58 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Connie
Subject: Connie, I emailed you
Message:
I had not looked at my email before doing this post. I love you lots.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 08:59:40 (GMT)
From: Connie
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Sorry Pat
Message:
I just had this horrible paranoid emotional response when I read what you wrote....it just overtook me. How strange. Just when I thought I was safe, ha. I'm much calmer now. I've been having these eruptions and plateaus since I left.

Who says I haven't been in a cult?

I think it is an ingrained fear of 'going against the party line' kind of thing vs the fight to be free.

Again my apologies.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:30:05 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Connie
Subject: Connie, I hope you think I thought it was you!!!
Message:
For god's sake Connie nothing was further from my thoughts. I posted this to try and flush the shit out. Have you seen what Cerise has posted above? I hope Tony realizes that I was being jokey.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:06:16 (GMT)
From: donner
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Connie, I hope you think I thought it was you!!!
Message:
please tell me what a pewkie is thanks
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:06:25 (GMT)
From: Luke Pewk
Email: None
To: donner
Subject: Donner, you are being brainwashed
Message:
into thinking like an EPO cult member to use terms of derogation and villification about people who are sincerely trying to spread the Master's message all over the world. Please reconsider you association with these scum ex-premies.

Just kidding - Pat Conlon

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:31:45 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Connie, Tony I trust the both of you implicitly
Message:
Just in case another of my tongue in cheek posts gets misunderstood. It's probably Pussy weasle/Victoria Bitter again.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:42:05 (GMT)
From: some1
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: 'International Conference Management'
Message:
From a pledge form, 'xxx Group' means the name of my local Elan Vital Group:

Please complete the information requested below in order to authorize the xxx Group and its processing agent, International Conference Management, to charge the pledged amount each month during the pledge period to your credit card account. The pledged funds will be used to support the general activities of the xxx Group. The authorized amount will appear on your credit card statements as charged by 'International Conference Management.' No receipt will be generated for the charges. Your only record will be the line item on your monthly card statement. Pledge period should not exceed 12 months or the expiration date of the credit card. Questions regarding pledges and credit card transactions should be directed to the xxx Group. Please print neatly.

Name:_____ etc.

I hereby authorize ... I understand that the funds will be used to support the general activities of the xxx Group and are nonrefundable. ...

I wonder:

Why would my local Group need a 'processing agent'. What is a 'processing agent' and why would it be called 'International Conference Management'. Local programs are not international and are not conferences. What do they mean by 'general activities'? Why no receipt? Why only the line item? Who is 'International Conference Management'? They don't say. Why?

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:21:19 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: some1
Subject: This stinks.
Message:
This is so typical of the dodgy fund raising practices of the cult.

I wonder why, if they want people to support local events, they don't simply set up a bank account at the local bank, and put the money in there. Everyone could see the balance and what happened to their money.

But no, it goes to some dodgy, 'Conference Management Group'. You don't get a receipt. The only sign is a monthly withdrawal on your credit card statement. Yeah, that sounds all above board to me.

Do you have the bank account details of the ICM group some1.

Thanks for publishing this. When you lay all the pieces to the puzzle out on a table, a pattern begins to form.

Anth the missing stink

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:07:48 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: some1
Subject: Questions
Message:
Thanks for printing that form. I have a few questions:

1. What is an 'Elan Vital Group' and how does that differ from Elan Vital itself? Is that what used to be a 'community?'

2. Has anyone explained what 'International Conference Management' is?

3. Under what context did you get that form? Is it a donation form? What, exactly, are you donating to?

4. How does anything happen in that organization with such incoherent, assinine communication? It's like Elan Vital is a characature of itself; was this a joke?

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:31:32 (GMT)
From: some1
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Answers
Message:
By 'Elan Vital Group' I meant what used to be a 'community', the term 'Elan Vital Group' is not really used. The 'communities' are organized a separate (from Elan Vital) legal entities, many ending with the word 'Group'.

Noone has explained to me what 'International Conference Management' is. Maybe some PWKs have been told, I don't know.

I got this form in the mail along with a newsletter. In the newsletter they discussed expenses and asked for financial support to cover expenses and referred to the pledge form. The newsletter did not even mention 'International Conference Management'.

I don't think this was intended as a joke.

By the way, the 'Aspirant Team' is now the 'Knowledge Information Team' and now also does introductory programs ('coordination of introductory activities') and 'supports' PWKs.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:42:15 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: anthginn@yahoo.com
To: some1
Subject: Save the letter some1, it could be very important.
Message:
Hi again some1,

Could you save the the letter. It could be important. A few years ago Elan Vital tried to break all connection with Divine Light Mission. One of the cults responses to an investigation was to tell the Sunday Express something like, 'Elan Vital has no connection with Divine Light Mission. Mahatma Jagdeo (cult paedophile) worked for Divine Light Mission, not us. And if you suggest there is a connection, we'll sue you.'

Now fortunately, a famous Latvian had kept a letter from EV asking him to change his bankers order payment from DLM to EV. It didn't mention the two organisations on the same piece of paper, but when you checked the account number, there it was. This small piece of paper, and a bank statement, proved that the cult were lying. (The full consequences of them not being able to shake Jagdeo off have not yet been realised.)

Anyway, the fact that things are not mentioned on this letter is as significant as the stuff that is, so if you don't mind, I'd love you to donate it to the Latvian European archives in Paris.

If you're up for it, email me, and I'll let you have an address to mail it to.

Thanks,

Anth the Mail-order Mujahadeen

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:25:13 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Elan Vital is Divine Light Mission renamed
Message:
'Now fortunately, a famous Latvian had kept a letter from EV asking him to change his bankers order payment from DLM to EV. It didn't mention the two organisations on the same piece of paper, but when you checked the account number, there it was. This small piece of paper, and a bank statement, proved that the cult were lying.'

There's other proof that EV = DLM: IRS records and corporate records.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 23:00:12 (GMT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: G
Subject: EV is not DLM in the UK....
Message:
....well not legally anyway. They are two different charities with different trustees, which is why my letter from EV asking me to change a standing order to DLM was so important in proving that EV was a successer organisation to DLM. Of course, the fact that they are exactly the same orgs in the US and Australia just shows how fucking stupid Glen Whitaker was when he threatened the Guardian newspaper.

John the glad to be home.

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 00:40:55 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: I forgot, there's a world outside the US (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:50:28 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: not being able to shake Jagdeo off
Message:
You said: ''The full consequences of them not being able to shake Jagdeo off have not yet been realised.''

Precisely. The Catholic church has been successfully sued several times here for the pedophiliac behavior of its priests for cases going back 20 and 30 years. The priests pockets were not as deep as the boy-fiddling priests' pockets. It cost Holy Mother Church millions but of course they have many more millions than EV and could survive it.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:43:57 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: some1
Subject: Thanks
Message:
Can you print anything from the newsletter about the 'expenses' and why they wanted donations?
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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 03:14:04 (GMT)
From: some1
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: expenses
Message:
The main expenses they mentioned were the hotel, lending library tapes, and visits. They wanted donations to cover the expenses, but I thought that the admission donations and donations given when borrowing tapes were supposed to cover the hotel rental and the tapes. I think they actually do. They don't give a breakdown of expenses or how much the other donations cover.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:52:26 (GMT)
From: Moll of Mole
Email: None
To: some1
Subject: 'International Conference Management'
Message:
some1

can you say which country this is from. I will ask 'B', see if he knows.

MOM

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:15:07 (GMT)
From: La-ex
Email: None
To: Moll of Mole
Subject: Margaret Singer on cults,growth and fundraising...
Message:
A quote from Margaret Singer's 'Cults in Our Midst: The Hidden Menace in our Everyday Lives.' 1995.

'Cults basically have only two purposes:recruiting new members and fundraising. Established religions and altruistic movements may also recruit and raise funds. Their sole purpose, however, is not simply to grow larger and wealthier; such groups have as goals bettering the lives of their members or humankind in general, either in this world or in a world to come. A cult may claim to make social contributions, but in actuality these remain mere claims or gestures. In the end, all work and all funds, even token gestures of altruism, serve the cult.'

'Of course, the cults place a near total emphasis on growth,to enhance the wealth, pleasure, and power of the cult leaders.'

'Cults seem to have no end to their peculiar practices. Cult leaders sseem to have no end to their unconscionable behaviours and their capacity to abuse their followers.'

'The casualties of mind control include not only the millions of cult members themselves, their children, and their friends and loved ones, but also our society as well. Our nation is being robbed of our greatest resource: bright, idealistic,ambitious people who are capable of making an enormous contribution to mankind. Imagine what cult members could accomplish if they were all set free to develop their God-given talents and abilities! What if they channeled their energies into problem solving, rather than trying to undermine America's freedoms with some warped totalitarian vision?'

Does any of this ring true?

More to come tomorrow...

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:19:18 (GMT)
From: Michael Dettmers
Email: dettmers@gylanix.com
To: La-ex
Subject: Margaret Singer on cults,growth and fundraising...
Message:
La-ex,

This topic deserves a thread of it's own. Please re-post this section when you add more tomorrow.

Good work and thanks,

Michael

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:35:11 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: La-ex
Subject: Wow, that hit home...
Message:
Our nation is being robbed of our greatest resource: bright, idealistic,ambitious people who are capable of making an enormous contribution to mankind. Imagine what cult members could accomplish if they were all set free to develop their God-given talents and abilities! What if they channeled their energies into problem solving, rather than trying to undermine America's freedoms with some warped totalitarian vision?'

This is the real tragedy of it all. For me, I realize that I wasted a good period of my life doing something essentially worthless, because I believed in Maharaji.

And so many premies were so energetic and talented. And now I'm seeing how intelligent and talented they are as ex-premies as well. But it's still a terrible waste.

You wrote some posts recently about the dilemma now, in trying to take idealism and put it into reality, after the cult. That is probably the biggest issue in my life. It's s constant source of discussion, debate and evaluation for me.

Like you said, after I got out of the cult, I had to try to catch up with a lot of things -- Career, education, relationships, family, friends, all the things that had been destroyed in the cult.

I feel like that is finally coming together for me, and I've really enjoyed being involved with things like my local community radio stations, like GLAAD, like Global Exchange, and stuff like that, but I will always regret and I lost my 20s to the cult.

By the way, my boyfriend gives new meaning to the word 'green' (as in environmentalist). So, I just bought one of those electric hybrid cars. Has anyone had any experience with them? 60 miles to the gallon, two engines, cool. The Sierra Club is going to love me now.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:21:11 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: La-ex
Subject: Thanks, La-ex
Message:
I can't wait for the next installment. This is perfect:

''Of course, the cults place a near total emphasis on growth,to enhance the wealth, pleasure, and power of the cult leaders.''

Have you read the whole book yet? Does she name cults? Like EV?


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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:06:09 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: LA-ex
Subject: Excellent, La-ex - the potential energy wasted
Message:
The potential energy that was channeled to help M save the world was OURS. When I began writing my journey I got in touch with that power and then felt the sadness of not having the potential realized. When I started to post as Postie here, I began to feel a re-empowerment, and when I 'came out' earlier this week, I was / am overwhelmed at the renewal. I'm thinking something profound is happening here (OK I'll be mythological) - like the Phoenix rising from the ashes.

Yes, I agree, this deserves its own thread.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:06:07 (GMT)
From: some1
Email: None
To: Moll of Mole
Subject: USA
Message:
USA
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:36:22 (GMT)
From: Marianne
Email: delores@gofree.indigo.ie
To: some1
Subject: The fundraising letter
Message:
Some1: I would dearly love to see a copy of the newsletter and fundraising pitch. Could you email me about this?

Marianne

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:14:38 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: some1
Subject: Joe, I guess, the EV satirist wrote it
Message:
but it is interesting because I would like to show a copy to an accountant that I know who specializes in not for profits. I think it is probably completely illegal. So what else's new?
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:54:08 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: no, more likely amaroo failed, so find a new way
Message:
to extort money, to fill the year's projections. how is this any different from ' maharaji's world tour' or the active membership program, ad nauseum?

i dont think this is satirical at all. i think its plan B in panic when the amaroo numbers didnt appear.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:47:53 (GMT)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: John Sheridan - are you lurking?
Message:
Dear John,
are you?

My father has my e-mail. You know Anth. I'd like to hear from you.

Abi

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:37:53 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Abi
Subject: John Sheridan - are you lurking?
Message:
Hi Abi,

Tim stayed with John and Jill for a while when he was down under. He showed up penniless on their doorstep and they sorted him out, fed him, put him up, and John helped him get a job in Brisbane I think. They were great. Sarah stayed with us in London a few years ago for a short while.

Dot and I hope to go down and visit them in the not too distant future.

I think it would be really funny if Catweazle turned out to be John, as has been suggested. Knowing the difficulty John has in being quiet for more than six seconds, and the thickness of his skin, not to mention his one-pointed fanaticism (a quality I always admire in people), I wouldn't be surprised.

[Anyway, if you are lurking John- Hi, and I hope all is well with you and the family. Dot and I hope to come and take revenge on you soon. By the way, are you still into that Yoga-meditating stuff you did on the one-legged coffeetable, in a little tent, when you stayed with us in London?]

Anth, one shoe off and one shoe on, hey diddle dumpling, etc

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 13:09:24 (GMT)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: John Sheridan - are you lurking?
Message:
Hi Anth,
you know I really like John and Jill a lot. It was great spending the 2000 New Year with them in Brisbane. They're both very warm, decent and witty. We laughed our heads off that night. They gave Dylan some wonderful Winnie the Pooh lego and were just very sweet altogether.

I don't really think he is the Cat though for the reasons I told you about. [But John, are you???] But I do feel he is out there. HELLOW JOHN! News of EPO is spreading in the Brisbane/Amaroo community and he's obsessed with the net so it follows that he's lurking.

REMEMBER US JOHN?

abi

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 03:05:19 (GMT)
From: Katie Darling (Baier)
Email: None
To: Abi
Subject: Jill, are you there too? Remember me? nt
Message:
Not
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:35:58 (GMT)
From: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: What is going on ?
Message:
G'day all,

I cannot believe tha sudden overwhelming influence this site is having on premies and expremies alike.It is like the lemings all rushing to the edge at once.Excuse the analogy,I don't mean we are suiciding,rather we are leaping to a better,freer life.Pat put it rather well when he said he had lost 'the monkey on his back'.I feel just like this.The guilt has gone away.I never want to experience that in my life ever again.
Life is becoming a nice experience again,rather than having a head full of crap.I can't imagine why I didn't go insane trying to remember holy name constantly.I really gave it untold effort for so many years.That so called fight with your mind is NUTS,it is something that is not possible to do.I defy anyone to tell me they can do it for more than five minutes in one go.
Anyway it is lovely to hear so many new people coming onto this site.I hope you all find the freedom that is real and not reliant on a whole heap of concepts and conditioning.
Funny how we have gone from a lot of anonymous posters to now seeing photos of exes..What is next CENTREFOLDS!
I love you all.
Tony Walker(formerly Aussi Ji)

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 15:58:57 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Subject: It is like one of those movies......
Message:
Where a principle is at stake, and a group of good people are held in fear by an oppressive leader. It is the united we stand divided we fall...except gurus and other authoritarian leaders count on dividing us ( thanks Salt and Cerebral for all the great examples of this )

We are in a room, and one brave soul stands up for the truth, alone, afraid no one else will....and then after that scary moment of waiting to be joined, another stands, then another, and then more, and soon, almost all in the room stand for the truth.

I was asking my hubby for examples of films like this: Norma Rae, On the Waterfront, the Story of the Emporer's New Clothes....maybe one of our resident film buffs could help Joe? Monmot?

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 17:30:08 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: one of those movies.Brother sun,sister moon?
Message:
Wasn't that one of the'officially sanctioned' movies that premies could safely watch, and not be considered too 'spaced out'?

Wasn't there a scene in which the young man goes into the Kings bedroom in the castle, and starts throwing out all of the Kings(or Emporers) Clothes, to the poor, starving mases below?

Wouldn't you just love to 'storm the castle' in Malibu, and throw all of M's clothes and toys out to the poor, starving masses in Malibu?
(there are poor people in his neighborhood, I believe,...he did buy that 'delapidated' house a number of years ago in that 'low rent' district...

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:03:29 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: brother sun sister moon
Message:
yes, this was in the first couple years I was in the cult....Friday movie night. I recall it with fondness actually.

Lets see...Harold and Maude, Brother Sun Sister Moon, Walkabout, there was some Western too....

I remember seriously trying to convince Randy Prouty that Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory was a satsang movie! Remember, I was only 13....and I still love that movie!

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:06:46 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Oh yes and In like Flint
Message:
Somehow I decided THAT was a satsang movie and was lobbying for that too.....

Maybe I should have just aimed for Elmer Gantry?

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:22:22 (GMT)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Subject: What is going on ? Its our declaration of
Message:
Independence. The fear is subsiding, people are boldly proclaiming their rightful freedom and taking an open stand for the truth about the cult and the conman.

We are gathering and gaining power and we will soon have that sick irresponsible pathetic insecure little man either on the run or cornered. As a matter of fact this is what is happenning even as we speak, the groundswell of discord that we are creating towards M and exposing his fraudulent methods are growing and are attracting the attention of outside forces as well.

It won't be long before the media gets involved and they will have a field day. The fact that there are so many of us now openly on the record is what gives the credibility and accountable sources for such an event to have a huge impact.

This subject gets very sensitive and an open forum is not the place to discuss these issues but I predict the future holds some interesting challenges for King Rat and his Rat Pack

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 16:24:47 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: Ex's, to your keyboards! The Revolution is now!
Message:
I would stand up and sing the theme to Les Miserables if I could remember it.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:54:51 (GMT)
From: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: Here yee! Briam.nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:37:57 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: What is going on Brian? You're up late
Message:
and I'm just off to bed. It is a renaissance of truth. It sets us free and gets us high everytime. Fresh clean air to breath instead of secrecy, lies, conspiracies and deceit. Cheers.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:38:53 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Subject: What is going on ? Centerfolds next?
Message:
Wait until you see the centerfold of Thelma that I am doing for Anth.

PS I see another creeping marsupial troll has arrived.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 09:10:28 (GMT)
From: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Over 'ere we use double barrel shotguns for
Message:
creeping marsupials.It blows big fucken' holes in the little bastards..Only jokin' of course

Cheers Tony.Hey hold still while i blow your fucken' head off.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:10:49 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Subject: If that's Aussie humor no wonder you don't
Message:
get my jokes and I don't get yours. What does this mean?
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:04:08 (GMT)
From: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Sorry Pat.I have a very warped
Message:
sense of humour.I wasn't talking about blowing your head off,I was talking about shooting marsupials(like kangaroos ect.Over here it is called roo shootin'I don't partake in this horrible sport of course.I don't mean that I would like to shoot catweasel either.But,then again,maybe.....No,I better not,he mig
ht come around to our way of thinking one day.

Cheers Pat.It was good to see your photo,I know who I am typing to now.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 12:07:27 (GMT)
From: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Email: None
To: Pat
Subject: PS.I do get your jokes..nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 19:19:01 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Tony Walker (Aussi Ji)
Subject: Good because I have that ostrich sense of humor
Message:
that we specialize in in South Africa where you stand upside down with your head in the sand and talk through your arse. I guess we're both from down under and see things upside own.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:42:49 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: Pat, can you make me a Smart Card?
Message:
I can send you a photo. Right now, I'm feeling very left out without one. :)
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:35:52 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Smart Card? Richard got you first NT
Message:
k
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:50:11 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: post@rmi.net
To: Joe
Subject: Joe, send me your pic and I'll do it /nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:22:30 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Thanks/nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:26:23 (GMT)
From: cerise
Email: yahoo.hq.@yahoo.com
To: no-one
Subject: you lot sound like a sad AA gathering
Message:
Talk about SAD!
Those posts ('welcoming' Scott to the psyche ward) confirm the AA mentality prevailing here.
Don't forget folks - you're not allowed another drop!!
Yea, I'll bet you won't. Let's just wait and see eh?
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:21:50 (GMT)
From: SB
Email: None
To: cerise
Subject: you need few
Message:
because darling, I can see you from here well.

Freedom ROCKS!

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:33:31 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: cerise
Subject: but you just added another 'drip' (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:34:21 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: cerise
Subject: FA has this poster used other aliases before?
Message:
Or is just that all these trolls only use the same word over and over - SAD? Is this the troll who posted as XX and called me a sad fuck when I was being my most bubbly?

Cerise, darling, you must be one sad fucker if you see the enjoyment of the people here as SAD. I guess you see exactly what is in yourself.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:16:45 (GMT)
From: Forum Admin
Email: None
To: Pat Conlon
Subject: FA has this poster used other aliases before?
Message:
Cerise replied to him/herself in a thread down below using the name 'Johny'.

He/she is using an Australian ISP, co-incidentally the same one Catweasel generally uses, although from a different computer (Mac).

We'll keep an eye on this one for a while.

FA

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 06:27:48 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: Forum Admin
Subject: FA, thanks NT
Message:
j
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 04:36:43 (GMT)
From: Pat Conlon
Email: None
To: FA
Subject: FA has this poster used other aliases before?
Message:
Previous email address given in earlier post indicates another sneaking marsupial - cerise2@one.net.au
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:50:51 (GMT)
From: Moll of Mole
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Trouble with money
Message:
Trouble with money

Hi
You are invited to a meeting with M and the major donors in Portland, there was one in Greece and I hear that there is one planned in the Pacific. The money must be low, the major boners do not normally get that sort of treatment.

Moll of Mole

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:00:34 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Moll of Mole
Subject: Moll please - save the threads
Message:
Only so many threads can be up at a time. If you are not sure how it works, you can post a REPLY to your own post then all these tidbits will be in one thread. Otherwise a lot of other unread threads will go inactive. Thanks.
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 20:23:18 (GMT)
From: Katie H
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: It's not number of threads - it's number of posts
Message:
This was supposed to be nt, but I didn't have room, so I'll elaborate - there can be 500 posts in the inactive at one time before they roll inactive. Of course, a long thread will roll over all at once.
TC -
Katie
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 18:16:58 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Many kudos and gushing compliments to Moll o' Mole
Message:
Now this is my kind of woman! Not the insipid, white bread kind that other folks is spreadin their jam on...

I like these posts from the war front and value them far above some apologist pablum people are lapping up these days. Keep up the good work and please! more if you got 'em.

P.S. Dig the name too.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:39:50 (GMT)
From: Moll of Mole
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Thanks, understand. Message to FA
Message:
FA please feel free to delete small threads and I will re post in a few days or if you can place them under 'Trouble in the ranks'.

MOM

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:49:09 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Moll of Mole
Subject: question MOM
Message:
I know First Class is rumored to be EV's supposedly super secure super sacred super secret intranet but could you tell us yourself how it works?

I love the fact you are posting some 'first class' stuff, must drive them nuts.

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 05:56:40 (GMT)
From: Moll of Mole
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: question MOM
Message:
Susan,
I dont know much about it as 'B' just sends me stuff from time to time. It is a closed system and you have to have the software and and passwords etc. From what he says there are a lot of premies on the system and you have to be on it if you want to be involved.

MOM

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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:32:45 (GMT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: But keep posting more if you have it /nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:48:01 (GMT)
From: Moll of Mole
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Trouble with the name
Message:
Trouble with the name

Hi

My mole tells me that the mighty m is talking about changing the name of Knowledge to some thing else. It is hot gossip with the church ladies, all whom are wetting there knickers at the thought of such an event. “B” sent me copies of the first class messages on it, I really could not believe sane people loose sight of reality so easily. Don’t stay there too long “B”. I want your body!

Moll of Mole

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Date: Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 01:38:52 (GMT)
From: Moldy Warp (the Mole)
Email: None
To: Moll of Mole
Subject: OT Are we related ?nt
Message:
X
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Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 01:44:43 (GMT)
From: Moll of Mole
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Trouble in the organization
Message:
Trouble in the organization

Hi

It would seem that our bumbling prince has been trying to
Change the organization for decades. Most recently with the EST type training’s for the inner sanctum and the unsynchronized . How ever a two legged bird knows that to change an organization first you have to change your self, and I don’t think that is going to happen with his lordship. History tells us so. What happened in 72 will happen in 82,92 and 2002. Which is not much. For someone who was asked by his master to spread this knowledge to the world, it’s a pretty poor effort really.

Moll of Mole

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