Nige -:- Warning - some more latvians in the flesh... -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 21:58:16 (GMT)

__ bill -:- what fun, drinking + looking at the photos..nt -:- Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 00:46:54 (GMT)

__ Nige -:- And here's a couple more... -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 15:48:31 (GMT)

__ AJW -:- LOL -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 07:41:14 (GMT)

__ __ Marianne -:- LOL -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 09:07:53 (GMT)

__ __ __ AJW -:- Not me Marianne. -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 09:50:12 (GMT)

__ moldy warp -:- Nige-You still there? nt -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 22:12:50 (GMT)

__ __ Nigel -:- yup - loggin off in a min..(nt) -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 22:28:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ moldy warp -:- nige - ditto - wanna phone chat? -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 22:29:13 (GMT)

NorthWestie -:- M 'accepts' invitation to speak in Taiwan -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:58:05 (GMT)

__ Cynthia -:- Broadcast Schedules? -:- Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 14:49:10 (GMT)

__ Mercedes -:- 5000 expected at amaroo I don't think so. nt -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 02:25:11 (GMT)

__ __ AJW -:- It depends how they're counted Mercedes -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:01:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ cq -:- Important message for mankind ... -:- Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 19:58:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ AJW -:- LOL :) NT -:- Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:44:54 (GMT)

__ __ Marianne -:- 5000 expected at amaroo -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 09:37:14 (GMT)

Jim -:- Sunday Funnies (ELK Droppings) -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 18:31:11 (GMT)

__ Bryn -:- It's worse than we imagined...! -:- Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 00:11:51 (GMT)

__ AJW -:- Poor old Stojan -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:23:47 (GMT)

__ TED Farkel -:- Janice-where do ya get them kites from m? nt -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 01:28:11 (GMT)

__ Nigel -:- Well they're all in pain, that's for sure... -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 00:25:59 (GMT)

__ Bin Liner -:- 'Oh , he probably wants something'.... -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:29:19 (GMT)

__ Mercedes -:- Sunday Funnies (ELK Droppings) -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 19:35:38 (GMT)

__ __ Lesley -:- Yeah, I'm still angry too -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 22:44:48 (GMT)

__ __ __ Nigel -:- ha-ha. Duckfarmers etc -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 22:23:36 (GMT)

__ __ __ Selene -:- haha Lesley you are great -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 23:48:22 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Lesley -:- This lil duck is now off the menu -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 20:14:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ moldy warp -:- Selene -' from a former duck meat' - very funny nt -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 00:09:14 (GMT)

__ Moldy warp -:- Answers and Van the Man -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 18:55:23 (GMT)

__ JHB -:- Sunday Funnies (ELK Droppings) -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 18:53:33 (GMT)

__ __ Moldy Warp -:- JHBsnap-posted same answers as you at same time nt -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 18:59:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ JHB -:- JHBsnap-posted same answers as you at same time nt -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 19:16:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ moldy warp -:- JHBsnap-posted same answers as you at same time nt -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 19:38:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Disculta Darling -:- Loved the line: 'What a fun master' ! nt -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:03:21 (GMT)

bill -:- A Dettmers post about to sail into inactive. -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 04:20:40 (GMT)

__ Jerry -:- A Dettmers post about to sail into inactive. -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 16:29:54 (GMT)

__ __ Cynthia -:- Hasn't Maharaji already neglected his kids? -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:30:00 (GMT)

__ AJW -:- Captain Rawat the Decisive. -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 08:36:00 (GMT)

__ __ Cynthia -:- Capt. Rawat, the Master of Lazy... -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 16:22:48 (GMT)

__ __ __ AJW -:- You're too soft on him Cynthia. -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 07:48:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ Mercedes -:- You are totally right!! NT -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 19:21:36 (GMT)

Jean-Michel -:- Upcoming EV events for UK/Europe -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 23:05:01 (GMT)

__ Jean-Michel -:- What's this new 'interview' business ?. -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 21:48:12 (GMT)

__ __ Marianne -:- What's this new 'interview' business ?. -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 09:12:42 (GMT)

__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- yes to all three -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:04:17 (GMT)

__ __ Connie -:- What's this new 'interview' business ?. -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 00:05:44 (GMT)

__ __ __ Robert Setton -:- What's this new 'interview' business ?. -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 15:33:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Connie -:- does that mean....... -:- Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 00:15:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Big Brother and the divine clones -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 01:06:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Connie -:- Big Brother and the divine clones -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 06:26:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Pat C -:- You took the words right out of my mouth -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 07:47:47 (GMT)

__ Sir Dave -:- Shrinking cult -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 06:07:19 (GMT)

__ __ Tony(Aussi Ji) -:- Hey Sir Dave..What ever became of the palace -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 07:13:24 (GMT)

__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Hey Sir Dave..What ever became of the palace -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 12:25:23 (GMT)

__ Court jester -:- abbreviated version of the REAL report -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:54:58 (GMT)

__ Selene -:- who writes this stuff? -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 23:57:46 (GMT)

__ __ Moldy warp -:- who writes this stuff? - a mind-less person nt -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:24:08 (GMT)

Nigel -:- 'As busy as any' reply to R.Sefton (TD's thread) -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 23:04:56 (GMT)

__ Robert Setton -:- As busy as any busy person? -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 17:01:48 (GMT)

__ __ JHB -:- Tabloid Intellect v. Self Worth -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 21:45:37 (GMT)

__ Selene -:- what did Robert really tell us anyway? -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:06:43 (GMT)

__ __ Pat Conlon -:- Must say that his description of Abi's dad seemed -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 04:42:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ Selene -:- you aren't paranoid -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:13:30 (GMT)

__ __ __ Bazza -:- So who is this guy anyway? -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 05:20:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Robert Setton -:- So who is this guy anyway? -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 16:18:51 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Bazza -:- You must be new here -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 18:40:29 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Robet Setton -:- yes indeed -:- Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 17:42:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ JHB -:- Good question Robert, care to answer?? -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 21:41:50 (GMT)

__ Roy -:- your clarification is spot on Nigel- thanks/ nt -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:57:51 (GMT)

__ moldy warp -:- Nige - you still up ?? nt -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 00:34:39 (GMT)

__ __ jumbler -:- stand up -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:05:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- There are no intruders on a forum, Jumbler -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:42:00 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ moldy warp -:- Pat - re - the pen is mightier than the sword -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 18:37:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Tony(Aussi Ji) -:- Hey Pat -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 12:22:02 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Hey Tony, Indians are starting to get on-line -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 17:38:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ moldy warp -:- stand up -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:18:47 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Selene -:- did he stand up ? -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:32:07 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ moldy warp -:- did he stand up ? -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 13:45:58 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- did he stand up ? -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 06:22:36 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ moldy warp -:- Naturist ex-premie wing - -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 13:50:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- love the fur coat idea -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:12:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ moldy warp -:- It'd have to be fake fur -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:51:49 (GMT)

__ __ Nige -:- Nige - you still up ?? - YES (nt / ot) -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 00:58:24 (GMT)

__ __ __ moldy warp -:- Nige - me up to -will plug in phone nt OT -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:00:00 (GMT)

Tim Matheson -:- Doin' the Amaroo Kangaroo -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 12:59:37 (GMT)

__ Brian -:- We'll see you there -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 15:41:11 (GMT)

__ __ Nigel -:- Fuelling EV's paranoia... -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 16:49:40 (GMT)

__ __ __ Babs -:- Sabotage -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 23:56:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Selene -:- yeah I concede -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 00:04:22 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Congrats - My first EVER forum v 'LOL!' - read -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 00:02:52 (GMT)

Peter -:- where does evil lie -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 08:04:49 (GMT)

__ cq -:- as the old saying goes: 'The darkest place is -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 15:55:55 (GMT)

__ Connie -:- Children of the Lie (not really ot) -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 15:33:41 (GMT)

__ __ Katie H. -:- Children of the Lie (not really ot) -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 15:44:11 (GMT)

__ __ __ Katie Darling -:- Children of the Lie (not really ot) -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 18:50:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Connie -:- Katie D - unaware, uncaring and indifferent -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 13:35:38 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Katie H. -:- Children of the Lie (not really ot) -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:47:11 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Katie Darling -:- Re our brain fog -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:07:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Katie H -:- Re our brain fog -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:20:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie Darling -:- To the other Katie -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:28:15 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Connie -:- To both Katies -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 05:46:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie H -:- Connie - expressing thoughts and feelings -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 11:58:55 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Lesley -:- Nice analogy -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 21:43:31 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Babs -:- To both Katies -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:37:23 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie H. -:- Thanks, Babs -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:41:16 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Babs -:- Red hair? -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:47:48 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie H. -:- LOL, Babs (ot) -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:54:30 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie H. -:- Oops got the red hair,and we need a Moon Lodge! nt -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:45:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Babs -:- The moon isn't full until tomorrow -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:50:48 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie H. -:- I thought tonight? -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:59:19 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie H. -:- To the other Katie - in real time (mostly OT) -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:34:50 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie Darling -:- Real time -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 07:35:50 (GMT)

__ janet the wiseass -:- every chance it gets, I'd say..... -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 09:14:51 (GMT)

__ AJW -:- where does evil lie -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 09:01:48 (GMT)

__ __ Peter -:- where does evil lie -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 09:53:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ AJW -:- Going in reverse. -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 10:18:00 (GMT)

__ Tony(Aussi Ji) -:- where does evil lie -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 08:17:15 (GMT)

__ __ Selene -:- it was timing Tony -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 18:08:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Yes, Selene, thanks... -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 18:40:51 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Selene -:- yeah not Ringo :) -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:55:16 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Katie H. -:- How about Bob Dylan? (snicker) -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:04:51 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- I liked B.Dylan's songs ot -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:13:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie H -:- Forgot my ot earlier - sorry (ot) -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:22:11 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- yeah story of my life (ot) -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:33:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie H. -:- yeah story of my life (ot) -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:37:32 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- ok last post I promise -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:46:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie H. -:- ok last post I promise -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:57:46 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- ok next to last (ot) -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 04:02:16 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Tony(Aussi Ji) -:- Yes, Selene, thanks... -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 20:57:16 (GMT)

__ __ Cynthia -:- where does evil lie? -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 14:06:05 (GMT)

__ __ AJW -:- Political Correctness. -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 09:08:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ Katie Darling -:- Political Correctness yes, I agree. -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 19:42:56 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Selene -:- Political Correctness agree to some extent ot -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 21:43:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- They put wires in my brain. -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 08:14:36 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- They should put wires in my brain. -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:09:59 (GMT)

jumbler -:- the inner circle -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 00:49:32 (GMT)

__ Paddy -:- Taffy, if you're Welsh I may know you. -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 08:17:38 (GMT)

__ Curious George -:- Taffy rings a bell -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 03:54:01 (GMT)

__ moldy warp -:- the inner circle -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 01:11:19 (GMT)

__ __ jumbler -:- motorcycle meditation -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 12:53:39 (GMT)

__ __ __ Tony(Aussi Ji) -:- I was a Ducati freak. -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 21:17:36 (GMT)

__ __ __ cq -:- remember a certain white piano from Divine Sales? -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 14:32:24 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ jumbler -:- remember a certain white piano from Divine Sales? -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 00:20:05 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Ex premie provo wing -:- mr. jumbler -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 16:55:50 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ JHB -:- Hey, I heard about the wall! -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 19:13:06 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Babs -:- Ralphie always says, -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:31:34 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Katie Darling -:- Jumbling-schmumbling/did you wear a sandwich board -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 17:15:10 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Babs -:- Does anybody remember Celia, -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:43:15 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ moldy warp -:- Babs - I love this sentence of yours -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 13:59:13 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Tony(Aussi Ji) -:- Jumbling-schmumbling/did you wear a sandwich board -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 23:06:43 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Brian Smith -:- Sandwich board, the one I wore once took the cake -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 07:52:10 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie H -:- This is too funny! -:- Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 12:02:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Bin Liner -:- Your bus story made me laugh ...... -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 00:47:41 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Tony(Aussi Ji) -:- Another classic was.... .... -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 07:28:21 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie H. -:- Still cringing...... -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:00:38 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ janet -:- oh hey--how about this for being out there? -:- Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 07:32:46 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Katie D, I just loved this awkward sentence of you -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 18:10:44 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Katie Darling -:- 'Busted'...LOL... FA help! -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 19:48:27 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- My worst ego-moment? well it's obvious, isn't it? -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 17:37:10 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Katie Darling -:- My worst ego-moment? well it's obvious, isn't it? -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 19:51:54 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Pat Conlon -:- Chris, were you in the Edinburgh ashram in 73? -:- Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 18:16:30 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Chris, were you in the Edinburgh ashram in 73? -:- Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 17:54:37 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Chris, yes, I knew Jenny -:- Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 18:44:40 (GMT)

Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 21:58:16 (GMT) From: Nige Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Everyone Subject: Warning - some more latvians in the flesh... Message:

I have rescaled the original three so they should be easier to open. (Jethro and Barbara…,Hamzen, JHB and Jethro ) And for your further visual delectation, feast your peepers on a few more of the usual suspects: ’An Irishman goes into a bar…’ quips Timmi G. Which Anth, apparently finds somewhat amusing Nigel says I’d rather have a bottle in front of me… than a frontal lobotomy. Sorry it’s a bit distant, but here’s the only snipped snap I have of cq. And some group shots, the first a bit grainy: (L-R): Tim, Dot and Anth await a special guest… (L-R): A suave-looking Jean Michel, a less than suave-looking Nigel (after the frontal lobotomy), our special guest, then JHB and Tim G Possibly more gooduns to follow, depending on the consent of exes involved…

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Date: Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 00:46:54 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: Nige Subject: what fun, drinking + looking at the photos..nt Message:

asftgsa

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 15:48:31 (GMT) From: Nige Email: None To: Nige Subject: And here's a couple more... Message:

Lee and Charlie

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 07:41:14 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Nige Subject: LOL Message:

Who's the fat bloke in the big party hat in the last picture? I must have missed him. (Or did Patrick get dressed up after I left?) Anth the early morning chuckle.

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 09:07:53 (GMT) From: Marianne Email: None To: AJW Subject: LOL Message:

That was you, Anth. Dot was leading the rest of us in a rousing rendition of 'Lord of the Universe'.

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 09:50:12 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Not me Marianne. Message:

My crown is made of real gold and has real jewels on it. The last person who tried it on sneezed and broke his neck. It's not easy pretending you're the Lord of the Universe. King Anth 1st of Utrecht.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 22:12:50 (GMT) From: moldy warp Email: None To: Nige Subject: Nige-You still there? nt Message:

x

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 22:28:08 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: None To: moldy warp Subject: yup - loggin off in a min..(nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 22:29:13 (GMT) From: moldy warp Email: None To: Nigel Subject: nige - ditto - wanna phone chat? Message:

x

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:58:05 (GMT) From: NorthWestie Email: None To: Everyone Subject: M 'accepts' invitation to speak in Taiwan Message:

EVENT IN TAIWAN MAY 1 AND 2 --------------------------- Maharaji has accepted an invitation to speak at the following events in Kaohsiung, Taiwan on 1st & 2nd May 2001: - Tuesday, May 1st. An event for people who have received the techniques of Knowledge. - Wednesday, May 2nd. A participation event for people who have received the techniques of Knowledge and people preparing to receive Knowledge. This is not an introductory event. Information on the venue, seating reservations, hotel accommodation and translation will be made available at local events and on the Elan Vital websites at http://events.elanvital.org. 500 seats are available for overseas guests and pre-registration is essential. AMAROO BROADCAST SCHEDULE ------------------------- 5,000 people are anticipated to attend a 4-day international event in an outdoor conference center located in a beautiful setting in Amaroo, Australia April 24-27. Beginning just afterwards, each day's event from Amaroo will be broadcast to a worldwide audience. The first event will be shown on Sunday, April 29 at 1:00 PM. The first three Sundays in May will feature broadcasts of the second, third and fourth days’ events from Amaroo. BROADCASTS EASILY ACCESSIBLE ---------------------------- In addition to being shown at the Johnson Controls Building, broadcasts are also available to home viewers. If you know of anyone who subscribes to DISH Network, all you will need to do is give them the time and channel number of the program, and they can access the broadcasts. That's it. There is no need to call Visions to view the broadcast. Just simply tune in. The broadcasts are generally on Channel 9602 and occasionally on 9601. Consult the DISH on-screen programming guide. Broadcast schedules are also posted on the Visions website at www.visionsinternational.org These broadcasts are made possible through the sponsorship program and by special contributions. Sponsorship is available to anyone who wishes to support the work of providing broadcasts and materials conveying Maharaji’s message to people all around the world. For information, please call the toll free sponsorship line at 1-888-610-0500. Your support is greatly appreciated.

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Date: Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 14:49:10 (GMT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: NorthWestie Subject: Broadcast Schedules? Message:

Does this mean they no longer do live feeds? Quite clever, don't ya think? Edit, edit, clip, clip.....

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 02:25:11 (GMT) From: Mercedes Email: None To: NorthWestie Subject: 5000 expected at amaroo I don't think so. nt Message:

no

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:01:45 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Mercedes Subject: It depends how they're counted Mercedes Message:

At cult events, the number of attendees is usually the number of clicks on the turnstile. In a three day event, it is assumed that each person only attends one day. The cynical would say that the figures are inflated by triple counting, but of course, they don't understand, it's all an illusion anyway. If anybody from the forum does attend the event, maybe they could do a snap headcount during one of the sessions when the Captain tells all the premies life is better if you keep breathing. Anth, still breathing. Yes, he's right you know. Breathing is better than not breathing. Give him his due.

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Date: Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 19:58:12 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: AJW Subject: Important message for mankind ... Message:

'Yes, he's right you know. Breathing is better than not breathing. Give him his due.' . . . This could be a valuable message for the whole human race, Anth (and for the animals too, except they're supposed to be too dumb to need telling). ;) (PS, shouldn't he try the opposite, before giving his opinion?).

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Date: Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:44:54 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: cq Subject: LOL :) NT Message:

CHORTLE CHORTLE

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 09:37:14 (GMT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Mercedes Subject: 5000 expected at amaroo Message:

5000 expected, and 15 are actually going to arrive.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 18:31:11 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Sunday Funnies (ELK Droppings) Message:

1) Stojan Svet: Perfect Knowledge From Postojna, Slovenia Standing between the question 'What is this man talking about'? and the feeling that is today touching my heart, is my master and his Knowledge. And although I'm here writing these words with my own feelings, if I don't practice these techniques, I can be very easily one of those, who asks that same perennial question again. It has always been thus and if it wasn't so this Knowledge simply wouldn't be perfect. Stojan Svet ****** 2)Magdeline Sodberberg: I watched the rebroadcast of the Portland event From Eureka, California When I think of all the things that have happened over the last 21 years>>>it opens the floodgates of tears. Mostly of joy and gratitude. Every step along the way when I faltered, when I rebelled , when I got hurt and bruised, Maharaji has reminded me: 'It can only get better.' He's always been right. I have learnt of so many people lost in this cold,distant world full of jaded and hurt people. No help has yet come to them and I might have been one of them. **** 3)Janice Wilson:Kite flying From Baldwinsville, New York I am learning to fly the kite of my joy in the sky of my heart. It is a tricky, delicate, process at times. And requires a lot of learning, humility, patience. But he encourages me: that I have a lifetime to learn in. I'm learning to bring in the help I need the clarity, the love, the kindness, and let go of fear, doubt, judgement, complaining, things I don't need. It feels so good to be flying high within this joy of life. That everyday I want to go up on the hill and look for the wind of grace I need. So that I can feel the excitement of being alive, and celebrate. What a fun master, giving out these kites of joy to all who sincerely want to join in the fun. Thank you Maharaji, you help make everyday a great day to be alive, inspite of problems I may encounter, I can still enjoy the gift of life itself. **** 4)Ivete Belfort Mattos: My kid From Sao Paolo, Brazil I look at my son. I ask him for a kiss. With his shining green eyes, he comes and kisses me. I look at him thinking, how beautiful he is. I hold him. . Then, I start to think: 'Oh he probably wants something.' I look him and wait. He quietly smiles at me. Now at the moment I focus on his pure heart: he just wanted love and care. When I daily embrace the practice of Knowledge I have the same feeling: I have pure love and care. ***************************************************************** Questions: 1) Which one of these people is the most fucked up? 2) Which one's closest to breaking free of the trap?

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Date: Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 00:11:51 (GMT) From: Bryn Email: bryndaviesesq@hotmail.com To: Jim Subject: It's worse than we imagined...! Message:

..These people have become POETS! Being premies is just an episode for them. A secondary infection. There's hope for them in as much as they'd dump Rawat overnight if he ever brought them into conflict with their own narcicissism. (no chance) But as for being a POET, as far as I know there is no known cure. They should be sentenced to twenty five years as PWKs-they deserve it. love Bryn

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:23:47 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Jim Subject: Poor old Stojan Message:

Poor old Stojan, still doesn't know what the Captain is talking about. Poor old Magdeline, 'well after 21 years, it can only get better.' She's right there, I don't think it can get any worse. Poor old Janice. She still believes in Maharaji's Grace. Maybe a cult is the safest place for her. Poor old Ivete, trying to tie up the real love she has in her life (her love for her child), with Captain Rawat's imaginary love. Poor old Anth trying to stay at work when he wants to run out and get some lunch.

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 01:28:11 (GMT) From: TED Farkel Email: None To: Jim Subject: Janice-where do ya get them kites from m? nt Message:

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 00:25:59 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Jim Subject: Well they're all in pain, that's for sure... Message:

(1)Stojan is worried he's stuck in that 'no progress' loop: And although I'm here writing these words with my own feelings, if I don't practice these techniques, I can be very easily one of those, who asks that same perennial question again. (2) And doesn't Magdeline sound somewhat unconvincing when she writes: it opens the floodgates of tears. Mostly of joy and gratitude. Every step along the way when I faltered, when I rebelled , when I got hurt and bruised, Maharaji has reminded me: 'It can only get better.' ? So conscious of pain and the need for things to get better. Sad. (3) And even for Janice (bless 'er), flying that paper dragon of ecstasy can be a grim, uphill struggle: I am learning to fly the kite of my joy in the sky of my heart. It is a tricky, delicate, process at times. And requires a lot of learning, humility, patience. (4) Ivette's is a real puzzler: I look at my son. I ask him for a kiss. With his shining green eyes, he comes and kisses me. I look at him thinking, how beautiful he is. I hold him. . Then, I start to think: 'Oh he probably wants something.' I look him and wait. He quietly smiles at me. Now at the moment I focus on his pure heart: he just wanted love and care. When I daily embrace the practice of Knowledge I have the same feeling: I have pure love and care. It's as if she was not wanting to mention K at all, don't you think? She knows what she really loves and is confused by her split loyalties, I reckon - the former (for her son) being natural and easy, the latter being a theoretical position as reflected in the one-liner tip of the cap to round off.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:29:19 (GMT) From: Bin Liner Email: None To: Jim Subject: 'Oh , he probably wants something'.... Message:

.... yeah Dad , like a Mercedes Benz . Answ. Q 1 Got to be No. 4 , he's got the whole thing back to front . In Rawatworld the kids give the Dad the the pelf .

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 19:35:38 (GMT) From: Mercedes Email: None To: Jim Subject: Sunday Funnies (ELK Droppings) Message:

Well thinking that your son probably wants something is pretty fucked up to me so 2 and 3 are pretty close. 1 is questioning. What makes me mad is how gratitud is missplaced, how thinking that that feeling comes from practicing k or m. That feeling is inherent to human beings and all he has done is appropriat it as his very own. In reality what has he done in this world? NOTHING. He has done nothing to improve anyone else's situation but his very own. grrrrrrrrr....I am still angry.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 22:44:48 (GMT) From: Lesley Email: None To: Mercedes Subject: Yeah, I'm still angry too Message:

When I read poor old Janice's latest effort, I got a mental image of the fat rat sitting on his throne and doing NOTHING to disabuse her of her emotional attachment and worshipful attitude to him. If he actually did deign to talk to her, he would probably tell her she was fucked up over him, had some 'emotional problem' over him, but he doesn't read that poem, ring her up and tell her so, explain to her what's happening to her, help her understand herself, does he now! So, for janice, a little story straight from the discovery channel on the tv: 'Indonesian Duckfarmers' When the farmer has a clutch of duck eggs, he hatches them together, allowing them to imprint onto him as their mother. Now the flock, who also imprint on eachother, will stay together and follow the farmer wherever he goes. It looks kinda cute, and he doesn't need to pen them up, but let's face it, why does the farmer pervert the duck's innate imprinting process? Does he love those ducks like their own mother, care about their wellbeing, or does he love the duckmeat?

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 22:23:36 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: None To: Lesley Subject: ha-ha. Duckfarmers etc Message:

or 'fuck dharmas', perhaps?

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 23:48:22 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Lesley Subject: haha Lesley you are great Message:

from a former duck meat. Liked what you said about anger in the post above about pity for M.

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 20:14:23 (GMT) From: Lesley Email: None To: Selene Subject: This lil duck is now off the menu Message:

Thanks, Selene. xox Lesley

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 00:09:14 (GMT) From: moldy warp Email: None To: Selene Subject: Selene -' from a former duck meat' - very funny nt Message:

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 18:55:23 (GMT) From: Moldy warp Email: None To: Jim Subject: Answers and Van the Man Message:

1) Which one of these people is the most fucked up? - Hard to choose between them. Possibly- Magdeline Sodberberg: I watched the rebroadcast of the Portland event 2) Which one's closest to breaking free of the trap?- Stojan Svet: Perfect Knowledge - sounds like he has too active a mind for his own good. The immortal words of Van Morrison spring to mind: 'I'm in the here and now and I'm meditating Still I'm sufferin' - but that's my problem - Enlightenment - don't know what it is'(!!)

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 18:53:33 (GMT) From: JHB Email: None To: Jim Subject: Sunday Funnies (ELK Droppings) Message:

1) 2. 2) 1. Am I right? John.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 18:59:05 (GMT) From: Moldy Warp Email: None To: JHB Subject: JHBsnap-posted same answers as you at same time nt Message:

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 19:16:56 (GMT) From: JHB Email: None To: Moldy Warp Subject: JHBsnap-posted same answers as you at same time nt Message:

Synchronicity! No, my logic was that the first guy already had his mind asking him 'what the hell is this fat Indian guy talking about', so can't be too long there. The second contributor sounded like Turner, although the third was close. John.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 19:38:45 (GMT) From: moldy warp Email: None To: JHB Subject: JHBsnap-posted same answers as you at same time nt Message:

Yeh the third has 'problems' and wants to climb the hill to, I presume, rise above them in kite-flying primordial bliss. Well, having been there and bought the t-shirt , I'd say its a recipe for disaster! BTW - you're brave mentioning 'synchronicity' on Jim's thread. I nearly did that myself then thought I wouldn't! Love Moldy

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:03:21 (GMT) From: Disculta Darling Email: None To: moldy warp Subject: Loved the line: 'What a fun master' ! nt Message:

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 04:20:40 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: Everyone Subject: A Dettmers post about to sail into inactive. Message:

Excuse my view that all things Dettmers and Donner are important and not to be missed. Joe and Michael Dettmers responded to someone who posted this next comment in response to Abi's situation where rawat is too busy to deal with her and her father..... 'He can be very difficult and annoying and knowallish but all in all he's a pretty cool guy most times and that's a conservative view. I've never seen him as God or the Perfect one when in my presence, only in imagination when he's far away, spiritual fantasy romance I call it. One thing I've noticed whenever I've been remotely near to the action though, and it is a significant thing, that is whether we like it or not, he is an unbelievably busy man and busy men are incredibly frustrating to pin down, on any matter at all. I have been flattened many times, humiliated, angered because to me I am the most important being in the universe and he better notice. I have been offended by what I've seen as his 'arrogant aloofness' and then been told what he has to get done in the next half hour...and bowed my head in shame. But I know if it was my kid...gggrrrrrr Joe: Time flies when you are drunk and stoned, and in those states you just can't seem to get anything done. It's a real problem. Maharaji is just as busy as a beaver. He runs his little legs off trying to save the world. What time does he have to deal with pedophiles in his employ? Flying his glider, sailing his yacht and collecting watches are lots more important and very time consuming. Having sex with his mistress probably takes a couple minutes a day too. With Viagra, it probably takes even more time. Investing his millions also takes time. Hey, he's only human you know! I mean, he only has SO MANY servants. They can't do everything. He has to go to the bathroom by himself, you know. Why, in that 'delapidated' house he lives in, up there in Malibu, I'm sure he is constantly having to deal with roof leaks, and the rising damp. There ARE only so many hours in the day. Mike Dettmers said that Joe's post answered it well, but added the comment below and mentioned it might be a little OT. I've been pondering your question and I remembered the following management lessons: Lesson Number One ***************** A crow was sitting on a tree, doing nothing all day. A small rabbit saw the crow, and asked him, 'Can I also sit like you and do nothing all day long?' The crow answered: 'Sure, why not.' So, the rabbit sat on the ground below the crow, and rested. All of a sudden, a fox appeared, jumped on the rabbit and ate it. Management Lesson: To be sitting and doing nothing, you must be sitting very, very high up. Lesson Number Two ***************** A turkey was chatting with a bull. 'I would love to be able to get to the top of that tree,' sighed the turkey, 'but I haven't got the energy. 'Well, why don't you nibble on some of my droppings?' replied the bull. 'They're packed with nutrients.' The turkey pecked at a lump of dung and found that it actually gave him enough strength to reach the first branch of the tree. The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second branch. Finally after a fortnight, there he was proudly perched at the top of the tree. Soon he was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot the turkey out of the tree. Management Lesson: Bullshit might get you to the top, but it won't keep you there. Lesson Number Three ******************* A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold, the bird froze and fell to the ground in a large field. While it was lying there, a cow came by and dropped some dung on it. As the frozen bird lay there in the pile of cow dung, it began to realize how warm it was. The dung was actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and soon began to sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to investigate. Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile of cow dung, and promptly dug him out and ate him! Management Lessons: 1) Not everyone who drops shit on you is your enemy. 2) Not everyone who gets you out of shit is your friend. 3) And when you're in deep shit, keep your mouth shut!

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 16:29:54 (GMT) From: Jerry Email: None To: bill Subject: A Dettmers post about to sail into inactive. Message:

That last remark 'but I know if it was my kid...gggrrr' belies where this person's head is at, and maybe a hint to where Maharaji's is too. I'd like to ask this person how busy Maharaji would be, doing other things, if he knew it was his kid! Do you think he might drop what he was doing and give this matter his highest priority, or do you think he'd be too busy with more important matters, to which his kids would 'bow their heads in shame' for thinking they were more important? Just another premie showing how fucked up he is, and where HIS priorities lie. Protect the master at all cost.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:30:00 (GMT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Jerry Subject: Hasn't Maharaji already neglected his kids? Message:

Hi Jerry, What you said was terrific. It got me to thinking. I wonder if Maharaji would run to his daughters' and sons' rescue if something happened to them. Maharaji's been the most imperfect father figure one could imagine, IMO. Absentee father...alcoholic and prone to temper tantrums...a father who is worshipped???...completely self-absorbed...a womaniser in the worst way...all I can think of right now. Jerry, when you said: Do you think he might drop what he was doing and give this matter his highest priority, or do you think he'd be too busy with more important matters, to which his kids would 'bow their heads in shame' for thinking they were more important? My jaw dropped when I read it, because I wonder if he would sweep his kids' difficulties under the rug, just like the rest of his problems, especially if he's still boozing a lot. I know premies wonder A LOT about the boys...before I left the cult folks talked about ''what about the boys?'' often. Kids can be shielded and protected from some things, but they feel a lot of what's going on with their parents. The more I think about it, that family is royally fucked up. I am sooo glad to be away from them....YUCK!!! What a mess! Love, Cynthia

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 08:36:00 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: bill Subject: Captain Rawat the Decisive. Message:

Hi bill, I've only been doing the occasional low pass over the forum lately, and will have to pillage the archive, if I can get back that far. The forum seems more like a daily newspaper nowadays, where the lines between 'Readers Letters' and 'News' has dissolved. I love it. Anyway, in my brief encounters with the Captain, (I wasn't 'X-rated') he came across as someone who avoided responsibility and used other people to do his firing. He also had a long chat with me about using computers in the classroom, and, once I'd taken my divine light sunglasses off (totally opaque with a little standing order attached), he came across as a complete bullshitter, trying to give the impression he knew stuff he didn't, and could make things happen that were impossible pipe dreams. He really appeared completely out of touch with most features of normal life. He may well be heading towards being a New Age Howard Hughes, without so much dosh. Anth the newage profit.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 16:22:48 (GMT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Bill Subject: Capt. Rawat, the Master of Lazy... Message:

Hi Bill, Thanks for bringing these posts up. What I've noticed, up close and from afar, is that rawat is the laziest person I've ever encountered. He may be busy telling premies what to do, but he ain't doin' it himself! A busy man my ass! He does make it appear as if he's busy, but he's just sitting around giving orders and collecting the benefits of whatever premies do for him or give him. Hence, his fat ass, otherwise known as ''secretary's spread.'' I'd like to put him on his own laundry duty, the clean up crew (not as a honcho) after an ''event,'' make him live in a tent on the Amaroo site, and get his ass in line for the food like everyone else...stuff like that. He needs some old-fashioned learnin' in the working class sense! Busy! What a joke! I get tired of hearing how brilliant he is, too. He just has a way of attracting very talented people and he takes the credit for their work. Am I wrong? Love, Cynthia

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 07:48:06 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: You're too soft on him Cynthia. Message:

He should go and get a proper job like everyone else, and stop living on handouts. Anth the objective.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 19:21:36 (GMT) From: Mercedes Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: You are totally right!! NT Message:

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 23:05:01 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Upcoming EV events for UK/Europe Message:

From: 'Elan Vital UK Email Announcement' To: 'List Member' <******@******> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 9:23 PM Subject: Update for Uk March 2001 Elan Vital UK Email Announcement - http://www.elanvital.org.uk UK MONTHLY REPORT - MARCH 2001 2.4.01 1. ISSUES RELATED TO PROPAGATION Progress, updates and accomplishments made - 124 people received Knowledge in the UK on 24/25th March, including 6 people from overseas (one hot foot from the Portland event!) - Rajaji spoke at 5 events in the UK (Bristol, Manchester, Leicester, Coventry and London). Total attendance 1,432. Information about the new 'Discover for Yourself' package was also communicated at these events. - Propagation and Participation Tour visited 5 locations (Manchester, Leeds, Southampton, Swansea, and Exeter). About 300 people came to these events with the result that UK Area action plans for propagation are now moving forward. The Reigate P&P day will take place on 7 April - A 'Knowledge Introduction Training' was held in Leeds on 3/4 March. A letter inviting people to express interest in attending future events has been circulated. - Propagation Day held in London as follow up to Knowledge Introduction Training. - Propagation plan for Scotland in hand following a meeting on 10.3. - A nation-wide postal circuit video library system has been set up for people with Knowledge. Run on a local level, this system will allow those who do not attend local events to keep in touch with current material. Videos are passed on after 3 days Update on new projects/initiatives that are being started - Further Knowledge Sessions are planned for later this year - Interactive Information Line launch is behind schedule, but hope to put in launched during April - Future plans: what we think to start in the future - Local communities are considering ways of bringing Knowledge Introductory training to their communities on a more affordable basis - They are also considering different approaches to Introductory events, including more informal 'open days' 2. ISSUES RELATED TO EVENTS - Proposal submitted for events in the UK and the rest of Europe for May and June - Announcement expected within the next 14 days - European event team are operational and personnel are being contacted to support the events 3. ISSUES RELATED TO ORGANISATION, TEAMS AND SUPPORT SERVICES - UK Area Managers have been interviewed and are being appointed - Interviews continue for various national positions - Details of appointments will be communicated in the next update - UK National Propagation Contact interviews taking place shortly - UK Communications team have concluded their review of communications needs (internal and external). Proposals are with Sync team for initial feedback and will soon be circulated more widely - H&S team have finalised content of safety training programme. Other teams being consulted and dates being planned. ______________________________ To unsubscribe, write to evuk.mailinglist-unsubscribe@listbot.com

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 21:48:12 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: What's this new 'interview' business ?. Message:

in EV's procedures ?

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 09:12:42 (GMT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: What's this new 'interview' business ?. Message:

First question: Do you ever read the EPO forum or web site? Second question: Have you ever posted there? Third question: Do you know any ex-premies who are active on the EPO site? If yes to any of the above, interviewee is invited to withdraw application for position.

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 10:04:17 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Marianne Subject: yes to all three Message:

but who's going to conduct the interview ? You ????

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 00:05:44 (GMT) From: Connie Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: What's this new 'interview' business ?. Message:

Hi J-M Interviewing is part of this team format process everyone has adopted with utmost fanaticism. This way of operating happened in an instant, from one moment to the next. I found it very unsettling. If you are interested in applying for a position, you send your resume to the advertised address. If you make it onto a 'short list', ( having a short list is dependant upon the responsibility of position involved), you can be interviewed by a panel, sometimes this panel consists of people you've known and worked with for decades. It's really funny. I've heard of cases where the panel sits on one side of a table and the interviewee sits on the other, they all know each other, but still ask these stupid questions, like tell us about yourself and what you can bring to this team. As a 'team', the panel is then supposed to pick the best person for the job, taking into account their skills and experience, oh and their 'passion'. There is supposed to be no leaders or bosses, but IMO this is not the case. Sometimes team consensus does win out, but a lot of times, the same old people in positions of power get what they want, enforcing their view on the team, which the team then agrees too. They are supposed to follow equal opportunity procedures, be professional blah blah, it's like a slap stick comedy, but sadly, with people out of their depth sometimes. If they can't find someone appropriate, or no one applies, they will then start contacting people thought of as suitable, asking them to apply for the job. IMO it is a way to weed out people who won't put up and shut up. It is no longer a case of if you don't like it walk, more, if we don't like you, we will make you walk. Except for the advertised position and general information, of course it's all confidential. Planning how to openly propagate knowledge and the joy it brings to the whole world is a secret, serious affair apparently, the reasoning for this sure escapes me! This way of operating was one of my major drips, I found it very disturbing. It would be sooo funny, if it wasn't so tragic in the effect that operating like this can potentially have on people. Nuts I say.

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 15:33:56 (GMT) From: Robert Setton Email: None To: Connie Subject: What's this new 'interview' business ?. Message:

That is a very perceptive summary, and funny too if it wasn't so true. It's not just being interviwed by 'friends' for a position that is odd Connie. Imagine, if you will, being faced in an interview situation by someone you know and have always thought of as a complete jerk! Sitting there being eyeballed/interrogated about what you're going to contribute and why. In my instance, the 'interview' was about joining a team even though I had absolutely no idea what I would be doing within that team. So I couldn't in truth answer any questions at all, what I would 'bring' to digging a ditch would vary considerably to my skills at being MC in a program. The confrontation is definitely a weeding out process, I'm not sure who or what but I had a suspicion it was an attempt to eliminate anyone who had their own ideas about anything. Either that or it was a very silly and shallow power trip for those involved. Very odd, compared with the simple and natural enthusiasm of the early propagation days, and as you say, now a serious affair apparently.

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Date: Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 00:15:21 (GMT) From: Connie Email: None To: Robert Setton Subject: does that mean....... Message:

that you are an orator who doesn't mind getting his hands dirty or a ditch digger with the gift of the gab? There could be a place for someone with skills like those. The team will get back to you. Re m being a busy man..... I know I have heard him say many times he is busy. He said it, so I took it as fact. Since leaving I have been trying to look at all the things I believed about him, and to seperate what I had been told to what I actually knew. The only thing I know is that travelling can be exhausting. I have experienced this firsthand. His and my situations are vastly different, so maybe this is not an accurate comparison. I never flew on a private plane, was waited on hand and foot, and wherever I went had heaps of people anticipating beforehand what I would need and when I got there ready to jump at and fulfill my every request. I see his 'business' consists of flying around sometimes, playing with the computer, coming up with grandoise, impossible ideas that others try their hardest to implement or going from one adoring situation to another. Except maybe when there is the inconvenient collision with the 'world', eg., getting off the plane or the pilot upgrades he undergoes to fly a better plane that he has talked about. If lifestyles of the rich and famous are busy, then yes, maybe he is busy.

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 01:06:18 (GMT) From: Pat Conlon Email: None To: Connie Subject: Big Brother and the divine clones Message:

Connie you said this was a major drip for you. This ''team'' crap really was when the dam burst for me. It gave me the creeps. It felt like joining the communist party. But when I looked back afterwards I realized the outward trappings had changed but something similar had always been going on. Someone just emailed me and said the further he gets away from the cult the more he wonders how the hell he got into it in the first place. I have to agree.

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 06:26:14 (GMT) From: Connie Email: None To: Pat Conlon Subject: Big Brother and the divine clones Message:

Hi Pat Agree with you that the foundation is still the same, regardless of the way it is functioning now. We've talked about this before here. This functioning is seen as evolvement (haven't we come a long way type of thing). I'm almost bemused to see the final product of this so called evolution. In my spare time, I've created several different scenerios in my head! Did you notice there was nothing about an individual's evolvement? Nobody was interested in a person's growth or insights, except for one liners that everyone could nod to, like, 'it feels really beautiful', 'I'm really enjoying myself', 'I feel so grateful for this opportunity' or the big one 'I've been to a training'. Getting the job done in the right documentated way was what was paramount, usually in the most complicated, tedious manner possible. I mean for God's sake, as an example, who really cares what colour the table cloths are or how to fold them? It's not something high up on my list of priorities. But it was taken sooo seriously. If you saw something like that on Monty Python, you'd roll around laughing, especially when they reached the sombre team consensus about said table cloths. IMO when keeping intelligent people occupied like that, two things can happen, either they will wither and part of them dies, or they'll explode. Another way of looking at it, is the table cloths assume a spiritual dimension and importance, and that is why everyone is behaving in the peculiar way they are. Who knows? I certainly couldn't relate to it.

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 07:47:47 (GMT) From: Pat C Email: None To: Connie Subject: You took the words right out of my mouth Message:

The only people who could possibly be happy in that sterile environment are people who think painting their toenails and gossipping around the water-cooler at work is fun. It's corporate mind-crushing bureaucracy. It's over in the west, Connie, except for people who have never read Kafka.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 06:07:19 (GMT) From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Shrinking cult Message:

'Rajaji spoke at 5 events in the UK (Bristol, Manchester, Leicester, Coventry and London). Total attendance 1,432.' That's bad, very bad. That means that an average of only 286 people came to see Raja Ji at any one time. Time was when he would have packed out a hall to overflowing. Only 1,432 active members in the UK! After all these years. That wouldn't even half fill the old 'Palace of Peace'.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 07:13:24 (GMT) From: Tony(Aussi Ji) Email: parisw@ozemail.com.au To: Sir Dave Subject: Hey Sir Dave..What ever became of the palace Message:

of peace.I went there in '74 and was blown away by all those paintings of past masters,and having 700 odd premies there for satsang.Was this an exagerated number,or is my memory correct.I was on my way to Copenhagen to Guru Puja. Cheers Tony.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 12:25:23 (GMT) From: Sir Dave Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com To: Tony(Aussi Ji) Subject: Hey Sir Dave..What ever became of the palace Message:

It could hold much more than 700 with the upstairs as well. Like all the other DLM property that had been aquired by donations, it was sold to the the ignorant 'people of the world' at the best price. It is now a wharehouse of some sort. I regularly drive past it on the way to Camberwell.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:54:58 (GMT) From: Court jester Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: abbreviated version of the REAL report Message:

From: 'Elan Vital UK Email Announcement' To: 'List Member' <******@******> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 9:23 PM Subject: Update for Uk March 2001 Elan Vital UK Email Announcement - http://www.elanvital.org.uk UK MONTHLY REPORT - MARCH 2001 2.4.01 1. ISSUES RELATED TO PROPAGATION Progress, updates and accomplishments made - 124 people received Knowledge in the UK on 24/25th March. So far, there have been only 99 cases reported of PKSD (Post Knowledge Session Depression) - Rajaji spoke at 5 events in the UK (Bristol, Manchester, Leicester, Coventry and London). He blinked a total of 1,432 times. - Interactive Information Line lunch is behind schedule, but hopefully will be ready for dinner. - Future plans: what we think to start in the future, as soon as we learn how to think. Please stay tuned. - Local communities are considering ways of bringing Knowledge Introductory training to their communities on a more affordable basis - They are also considering different approaches to Introductory events, including more informal 'open days', where we will only have seven roll calls per day for participants instead of the present number of eighteen roll calls. 2. ISSUES RELATED TO EVENTS - Proposal submitted for events in the UK and the rest of Europe for May and June - Announcement expected within the next 14 days - European event team are dysfunctional and personnel are being contacted to support their genitalia 3. ISSUES RELATED TO ORGANISATION, TEAMS AND SUPPORT SERVICES - UK Area Managers have been interviewed and are being annointed. -Interviews continue for various national positions including the missionary position, the doggie style position, and the Maharaji-Monica position. - Details of annointments will be communicated in the next update (and on and on it goes... g'nite folks :)

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 23:57:46 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: who writes this stuff? Message:

I'll bet their propagation plans are now moving forward. Sounds like things are a bit slow as is. Wonder what their version of an Interactive Information Line is? To me interactive means synchronous communication. I suppose if it's a closed 'line' it's safe for them. They probably mean a conference call hee hee. Anyone want to interpret this one for me? Future plans: what we think to start in the future

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:24:08 (GMT) From: Moldy warp Email: None To: Selene Subject: who writes this stuff? - a mind-less person nt Message:

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 23:04:56 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Everyone Subject: 'As busy as any' reply to R.Sefton (TD's thread) Message:

(TD's excellent post about M's alleged being a busy person is sinking fast towards the inactive and will probably go under tonight. Robert has just replied - so to keep the discussion alive I am responding up here...) Hi Robert, I think you were missing the point entirely when you wrote: TD You asked me what busy men do I know? What a question! I know many busy people socially and I work in publishing, the entire building buzzes from dawn to dusk, including two floors of huge offset printing machines. There are too many busy men and women there to mention and, of course, we all get strung out and short tempered occasionally. Fair enough – you know what busy people look and act like. Don’t we all? But TD’s post was actually about comparative degrees of busyness and where M would fit among Mandela, Bill Gates, et al. And mostly how could he justify ignoring the presence of a paedophile in his ranks - and show so little concern for the general well-being of his chosen few thousand... Remembering the (comparitively) little I have seen of Maharaji, yes he was most definitely as busy as anyone else I've seen. Ok, so were you a EV-recruited business consultant on a time-and-motion study of M’s work rate? Or maybe sitting at the next desk as the fat one scurried between fax, phone and photocopier? Did he too ‘buzz from dawn till dusk’ like those workers you know in publishing? Unless you choose to explain, I guess we will never know the context or validity of your assertion. And everyone knows how to LOOK busy, for God’s sake. I do it too, to fend off irritating students until later (so I can spend a bit more time getting some trolls banned from forum ;). But to speak as you do, I assume you know how much time M spends in relaxation, cruising in his yacht etc…? If you do, please tell. If you don’t, then your evaluation is pretty worthless in the context of finding a few spare moments to purge a child molester from your outfit, which is, presumably, our present concern. But he has this ability to switch off and act like he doesn't have a care in the world. (I mean, wow!) Because he has sufficient wealth to (a) switch off whenever the f**k he likes, and (b) not have a care in the world, perhaps..? Pass over the donkey-work to others? Think, brother. I have found that to be rare and I think it can be confusing for people looking on. [Your words, not mine.] I was confused by his ability to change so fast. I also believe that being busy in a large secure work environment (in one place) is markedly different than constantly changing location within a very tight schedule. Are you suggesting somebody else, other than M draws up his schedule? If so, who and why? You’re talking as if there were a timescale for bringing K to the world. (Ok, I know it used to be ‘in my lifetime’, but not even Marge pretends that one any more. K isn’t even ‘for everyone’ these days, is it?). The only other rush I can imagine would be to rake in maximum retirement earnings before the bubble bursts in the Downpour of The Unholy Blame. If M has a tight schedule, it is because he chooses one. The fortunate among us can choose to be busy. I suggest the busy folk you compare Marge with actually need to be busy – hence their difficulty switching to mellow-yellow mode at will. Prembo can retire whenever he likes, and probably will when the donations dwindle and press attention mounts. Keep watching brother. It will surely be interesting. However, as I told Katie, I acknowledge that none of what I've said diminishes the responsibilty to address the outstanding issues mentioned here. Which makes me wonder why you said it in the first place. Gates and Murdoch are interesting, merely because of their staggering wealth and power. I've heard Murdoch is extremely charming and Gates rather inept at person to person communication. As far as Tom Cruise or Nelson Mandela are concerned, I would suggest that they also are very much in the business of self promotion, one considerably more weighty and useful than the other! [semi-off-topic para] Your suggestion that Cruise and Mandela are in a similar self-promotion game simply stinks (IMO). Put Cruise and fatso in the one wet paper bag, if you must, but not Mandela, at least until Prem Rawat has devoted a lifetime - with maybe the odd 27-year jail term - in furthering the rights of the disposessed. (And sailing round Robbin Island in a 107 ft. yacht and nose full of cocaine wouldn’t qualify here, Prem – in case you’re getting ideas for your next PR trip.) Although Maharaji promotes the role of the master in his talks, I have not seen the slightest desire to ingratiate himself with all and sundry in his personal life. Polite but shy is my call there. Robert, Robert (sigh) – the point is, he’s made it with his DEVOTEES. When you have x thousand sad toe-kissers with disposable incomes, a few dozen of whom might even shag you at the drop of a mala, who on earth would you need to ingratiate yourself with? Why learn any social skills at all, if the socail necessity is not there? Maharaji rules Maharaji's World - which is a bit like Disneyland - real life is irritation best avoided. As for ‘polite’ – all that says is you’ve seen him acting polite, just like you've seen him acting busy and playing God. So what haven’t you seen? Care to find out? This site is a good place to start. Enjoy…

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 17:01:48 (GMT) From: Robert Setton Email: None To: Nigel Subject: As busy as any busy person? Message:

As far as Tom Cruise or Nelson Mandela are concerned, I would suggest that they also are very much in the business of self promotion, one considerably more weighty and useful than the other! Nigel, the above paragraph makes the difference between Nelson M and R Cruise quite clear. I believe the rest of my post was also, quite clearly, just my opinion. As you say, you have written your opinion. I have no argument with that in fact it was quite amusing. I've lost intererst in what I have or haven't seen about M's personal life. It used to be my biggest interest, now it is of little relevence, except to my tabloid intellect. I think counter-balance is healthy for all conversations. If someone said 'M is so sweet and warm and sensitive to my every need' I would probably reply 'Yes, but that sure isn't what I'...bla bla I tend to thrive on mediocrity hence my job dealing with absolute shyte week after week. regards, Robert

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 21:45:37 (GMT) From: JHB Email: None To: Robert Setton Subject: Tabloid Intellect v. Self Worth Message:

Robert, Your reference to your sense of intellectual curiosity as 'tabloid intellect' is another example of something that has been discussed many times on this site, that is the separation of ourselves and our minds encouraged by Maharaji. This leads to callous attitudes to other people, flippancy in personal relationships, and losing touch with the things we really want. Read Helen's theory of Mind/Body Stress above for a good description of the process, although I don't agree that physical harm is necessarily a result of the process. John.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:06:43 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Nigel Subject: what did Robert really tell us anyway? Message:

He mentioned being up close to M and seeing him in action. This is supposed to make what he says more important. So ok there's the lead in. and then what does he say? describes Abi's dad ??? very odd. Then he tells us that being close to M showed him that M was a busy man who was somehow able to turn it all off at a moment. As if any of us couldn't do that with M's bag of tricks. oh sorry tools. uh lessons? And so what anyway? Is it an excuse for M mismanaging his cult? And more to the point Robert didn't really say anything about M that was fact-based on his being a consultant or whatever he said he was to googooji. I want to say for what it's worth that I admire ex's who never knew M or were never in up close and personal and yet still had the guts and brains to get the hell out just based on seeing what was up from a distance.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 04:42:12 (GMT) From: Pat Conlon Email: None To: Selene Subject: Must say that his description of Abi's dad seemed Message:

forced or inappropriate or out of place. I can't describe exactly what I mean but it sure seemed odd to me - like there was some hidden motive for mentioning it. But of course I'm just FV's token paranoid fag always seeing bogeymen who aren't there, so.....

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:13:30 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Pat Conlon Subject: you aren't paranoid Message:

I know you know that, just felt like saying it See my post to AJW below. Well I have to get outside at least once this weekend - ssshhhh don't tell em where i'm going!

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 05:20:27 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: Pat Conlon Subject: So who is this guy anyway? Message:

Robert Setton or Sefton or whatever...anyone vouch for him? Meaning is that a real name or a clever pseudonym made to sound real? Yeah I'm with you Pat - that bit about Abi's dad reeks of the 'I know who you are' routine we've heard so many times. Perfected of course by Catweasel.

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 16:18:51 (GMT) From: Robert Setton Email: None To: Bazza and Pat Subject: So who is this guy anyway? Message:

Of course I was saying 'I know who you are' about him. You obviously don't know the man. If you did you would understand why I would enthusiastically offer my public support of him. Who's side are you guys on? If you can't even read my name correctly you may be getting VDU bugeye.

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 18:40:29 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: Robert Setton Subject: You must be new here Message:

Otherwise you would be hip to the number of premies we've had posting with made-up names. Sure I can read your name, Robert, that doesn't mean to say it's your real name. If you want some credibility, why not volunteer a little about yourself, like your history with m & K, where you live, who you know other than Abi's dad - the usual preamble to introducing yourself. As for your support of Abi's dad, well that's nice. How about your support of and making excuses for Maharaji? If it came down to the wire, who's side would YOU be on?

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Date: Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 17:42:35 (GMT) From: Robet Setton Email: None To: Bazza and JHB Subject: yes indeed Message:

I posted to you at the top of the list list because I presume this thread will be inactive by tommorrow. regards, Robert

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 21:41:50 (GMT) From: JHB Email: None To: Robert Subject: Good question Robert, care to answer?? Message:

Bazza enquired of Robert:- As for your support of Abi's dad, well that's nice. How about your support of and making excuses for Maharaji? If it came down to the wire, who's side would YOU be on? Please answer the question Robert. I know you believe you're sincere, but deep-rooted attitudes of yours are being challenged here. So, what would it require for you to turn your back on your master? John.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:57:51 (GMT) From: Roy Email: z To: Nigel Subject: your clarification is spot on Nigel- thanks/ nt Message:

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 00:34:39 (GMT) From: moldy warp Email: None To: Nigel Subject: Nige - you still up ?? nt Message:

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:05:05 (GMT) From: jumbler Email: None To: moldy warp Subject: stand up Message:

pardon my intrusion just practicing my new found accessing skills! (correct spelling may follow later) don't you all want to get out there and stop the little sod? is direct action against him a no no?

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:42:00 (GMT) From: Pat Conlon Email: None To: jumbler Subject: There are no intruders on a forum, Jumbler Message:

We're all chatting with each other and there are no private conversations. As for stopping the ''little sod,'' well I think this website (chock full of all the nasty details of the little sod's shennanigans as well as historical Hindu stuff which blows him out of the water) and this forum are doing a damn fine job. Anybody in the west who goes to get K nowadays and has a computer (nearly all the youngsters) will type Maharaji into a search engine and find this site. Kaput - no more western aspirants. Having lived among the Indian premies, I'm also setting myself the task of debunking Rev Rawat with them too. But many Indian youngsters speak English and will soon be on-line and looking up what their moms' and dads' urug is up to. I hope you join in the fun of demystifying the little spiritual snake-oil salesman too. What did you mean in your post below when you said: ''I noticed no one took up the subject of the ex-premie provo wing. Did I say something wrong?'' Did you mean, ''...is direct action against him a no no?'' For me, it's a no-no, but I wish Abbie Hoffman were still alive to pull a few yippie stunts on the urug. (See ''Steal This Movie'' to remind yourself what iconoclasts we were 30 years ago.) For me, the pen is still mightier than the sword.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 18:37:39 (GMT) From: moldy warp Email: None To: Pat Conlon Subject: Pat - re - the pen is mightier than the sword Message:

Yeh - I agree. But what about direct action without swords or any other nasty things??? Demos, publicity stunts etc (see posts lower down in this threead about 'stand up')

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 12:22:02 (GMT) From: Tony(Aussi Ji) Email: parisw@ozemail.com.au To: Pat Conlon Subject: Hey Pat Message:

G,day Pat, How are they hangin' and how's it swingin' ol' matey.I saw something on tele last year that surprised me.It said that there are quite a lot of Indians on computers.Do you know if this is correct? Cheers Tony.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 17:38:18 (GMT) From: PatC Email: None To: Tony(Aussi Ji) Subject: Hey Tony, Indians are starting to get on-line Message:

Here in the Bay Area most of the Indians are in the computer industry. In India the middle-class is going on-line in increasing numbers. I don't know figures but it's probably significant given the size of the population. And everything is swinging just fine, Thanks. And I hope the same for you, grandpa.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:18:47 (GMT) From: moldy warp Email: None To: jumbler Subject: stand up Message:

Intrusion pardoned - nothing wrong with non-violent direct action IMO. Me brother in law has been naked on top of Monsanto building (GM food lot) and on front page of Guardian newspaper. Should i get some tips from him - he's an expremie too!

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:32:07 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: moldy warp Subject: did he stand up ? Message:

Nekked on the buiding top? By all means get some tips. Sounds like a good plan and could be fun too.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 13:45:58 (GMT) From: moldy warp Email: None To: Selene Subject: did he stand up ? Message:

Oh - yes - he stood up! With his partner, who also stood up . They also did a very neat direct action protest a few years back at a service at Coventry cathedral in praise of the car. They posed as ushers and got a friend in a fur coat (and nothing else) up to the front, at which point said friend removed coat! All harmless - but gets lots of media attention- would be a lot of fun to do this sort of thing (though not sure about being naked in public personally!) and would potentially raise Rawat's media profile!!

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 06:22:36 (GMT) From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Selene Subject: did he stand up ? Message:

How about a Naturist ex-premie wing. We could then hand out leaflets outside up-coming events in the nude.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 13:50:12 (GMT) From: moldy warp Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Naturist ex-premie wing - Message:

With a few strategically placed lotus petals. Or the fur coat trick (with cameras ready) INSIDE events (see my reply to Selene) Better get me a smart card!

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:12:06 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: moldy warp Subject: love the fur coat idea Message:

But the animal activists would be upset. That is a funny thought though !! We could come up with some good ones I'm sure, like the eco terrorists that were around for a while.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:51:49 (GMT) From: moldy warp Email: None To: Selene Subject: It'd have to be fake fur Message:

for a fake guru - hahaha (as Dermot always says). Yeh I'll definitely get tips from brother in law. Lots of protest seems to involve nakedness- he knows a guy who goes naked in London on behalf of liberating the body. In a way it would be funnier to fake premiedom and be caught on camera as 'guru-worshipper protesting against the tyranny of clothing'. Or - there's always tunneling or sending in a Trojan horse!

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 00:58:24 (GMT) From: Nige Email: None To: moldy warp Subject: Nige - you still up ?? - YES (nt / ot) Message:

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 01:00:00 (GMT) From: moldy warp Email: None To: Nige Subject: Nige - me up to -will plug in phone nt OT Message:

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 12:59:37 (GMT) From: Tim Matheson Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Doin' the Amaroo Kangaroo Message:

Hi All, Don't mean to make you guys jealous but I'm just letting you know I'm about to hop on over to Australia to be with Our LORD MAHARAJI. I go with only an open heart and a 2 expectations. They are: 1) Kiss LORD MAHARAJI'S HOLY LOTUS FEETS 2) Find one of LORD MAHARAJI'S cigarette butts(by HIS GRACE, of course)to auction on Ebay-one of his roaches would change my life! 3) Let OUR LORD MAHARAJI know we are not ashamed of HIS BEHAVIOR, either in the past or the present I'll report back later... Yours in HIS BLISS, Tim

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 15:41:11 (GMT) From: Brian Email: brian@ex-premie.org To: Tim Matheson Subject: We'll see you there Message:

Katie and I will be coming on a later flight. See you at the rendezvous location. Everything is ready :)

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 16:49:40 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: None To: Brian Subject: Fuelling EV's paranoia... Message:

I can just see them up in the marble mansion now, trying to figure out what, if anything, undercover exes might be planning for the big day. They realise there's not a lot they can do if a skywriting plane were to proclaim M's glory above the site, or if local news media were to take an unhealthy interest in proceedings. But they could probably protect M from feeling too bad in such circumstances by keeping him well supplied with recreational provisions. But what about the vocal challenges from the floor while the video cameras are running - or the stink-bombs? And when they see posts like Tim's and now yours, Brian, their first thought will be: 'at least they're obviously joking', but then they'll think on and realise if something WERE going to be going down in Amaroo, wouldn't the conspirators do exactly that: ie. make jokey public allusions to their so-called plans, but as a diversion from their REAL plans. And, as they say, isn't there many a true word spoken in jest? The Intelligence division of the Peace Corps must be working overtime right now.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 23:56:56 (GMT) From: Babs Email: ralphie@ralphiescafe.com To: Nigel Subject: Sabotage Message:

I still think the best suggestion for the banner behind the aircraft was 'Marry Me Monica.'

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 00:04:22 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Babs Subject: yeah I concede Message:

But they should follow it with my happy hour invite to celebrate.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 00:02:52 (GMT) From: Nigel Email: None To: Babs Subject: Congrats - My first EVER forum v 'LOL!' - read Message:

JUST DO IT!!!!

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 08:04:49 (GMT) From: Peter Email: Peter.Barrett@btinternet.com To: Everyone Subject: where does evil lie Message:

Since posting my message about the alleged rape of a mentally retarded child living close to the ashram at Spencer Place, Leeds, and which according to my contact was possibly carried out by two ashram premies. I have been talking with other ex-premies who were around at the same time, although without disclosing other details I hold regarding this disturbing issue. Nevertheless, each had there own piece of information/knowledge/fear that only adds to this evil story. I suppose we should not be surprised! Although like one of the responders to my previous posting remarked, I am both suprised and shocked!! But if any of you have read Dr Scot Peck's book 'Children of the Lie, then I suppose it was only time before such issues would surface within the history of DL(and maybe the present in EV). Since evil lives where it can best serve its needs, amongst the vunerable! And often in positions whereby they can abuse their authority, like in recent cases of teachers, social workers, priests and perhaps initiators! What is worse though, if anything can be worse than tearing away the innocence of a child. Is when others cover up, or ignore the evil being perpetrated around them, any evil! It is a long time since I left DL, I have no regrets, no guilt, or other baggage to carry regarding my time spent within DL. But I think that we all can learn from how blinded we were, lost in the hazy daze of our spiritual quest, or in my own case after too much LSD. But as the buddhists say 'Little drops of evil soon fill a pot' I head the warning of the forum administrator about disclosure, but would still like to hear from others who might hold pieces of this sordid jig saw. One final note to the 'aussie' who saw fit to joke about child rape. You might think of psychiatric help!! Peter.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 15:55:55 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Peter Subject: as the old saying goes: 'The darkest place is Message:

' ... under the candlestick'. Sit in a room with only one candle lit and you'll see it's true for yourself. But there's more to it than that, of course. If these ashram premies were indeed guilty of such a crime, then steps have to be taken to bring them to justice. Was it under the pretence of 'spreading the Knowledge' that they ensnared their victim? If so, then that brings the accountability of DLM/EV/Maharaji into the equation, just as Jagdeo's offenses implicate the Maha. Are the two ashram premies you mention still involved with Maharaji? That's a question he should be asking himself right now.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 15:33:41 (GMT) From: Connie Email: None To: Peter Subject: Children of the Lie (not really ot) Message:

Hi Peter Both your threads had an impact on me. I read Scott Peck's 'Children of the Lie' years ago, that also had an impact on me. IMO the word 'evil' can have different interpretations. What struck me (and if I remember correctly) was after his book 'The Road Less Travelled' which was more buddhist orientated, he did a complete swing to Christianity. His interpretation of evil had a very literal Christian meaning. Exorcism was what he advocated. He reached this conclusion due to two factors. First, he worked for the state department and was involved in the debriefing of US soldiers responsible for a massacre of civilains in a village in the Vietnam war. I think he talked about a force he termed a 'collective evil', and the loss of an individual to discriminate right from wrong when taken over by this group force. When in this state, as a group, individuals are capable of doing acts they would not do otherwise. Secondly, he worked with juvenile offenders, as a pyschiatrist. His assessment was that many times the youths behaviour was a last minute cry for help, before they did something drastic, due to the evil inherent in the parents/guardians, and the impact of that evil upon the adolescents in their care. Included in the book were many case histories. Christian exorcism of the source of the evil was what he stated as the only cure. The one that stood out for me was the boy who received the same shotgun his brother had killed himself with as a birthday present from his parents. Though the book had an impact on me, I thought his example of group think and action relevant, his case histories disturbing and compelling, I did not agree with his use and meaning of the word evil, or his cure. I would term these things evil, but not in the same way as Peck.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 15:44:11 (GMT) From: Katie H. Email: None To: Connie Subject: Children of the Lie (not really ot) Message:

Thanks, Connie - VERY well expressed, and I agree (although I certainly couldn't put my thoughts into words the way you can). I felt the same way about the book. He did raise and define the problem, but I also did not agree with his use and meaning of the word evil. I am still not sure if someone can be absolutely evil, as Peck described. And the part about exorcism, to me, was very off the wall. But I think the book is worth reading (although it is very disturbing).

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 18:50:41 (GMT) From: Katie Darling Email: None To: Katie H. Subject: Children of the Lie (not really ot) Message:

Also read this book years ago. Connie, you said it! Brilliantly put, I agree with you and Katie and I'm not sure I should say another word, as, like Joy way below, I have brain fog. Well, let me try. Please excuse this post if it is foggy. I've been thinking about all this this week, because last weekend I went to the Anand ashram for a retreat with a girlfriend. She wanted to get away from kids and meditate, and I wanted to be with her. I knew that it was the place where Kriyanand had been sued for sexual abuse before I went, but I thought he had been expelled, like Amrit Desai from Kripalu. I spent the weekend lying under a tree reading Autobiography of a Yogi again, after 30 years, which was a blast BTW. And then, being a bit bored, I went to their Sunday services. I was shocked to hear the people leading the service (a couple, the new leaders of the community) talking about Kriyanand as their guru, and they actually called him 'a model of ideal humanity' or some such phrase. I was very close to disrupting the service, but I didn't want to disrupt my life as I was leaving later and wanted to relax and enjoy my lunch and life and I didn't have the juice for it. When I got back I went immediately to look the whole thing up on the web, and found their website. (http://www.anandainfo.com/index.html)The stuff he did was so shocking, including a rape, and about 30 women involved, over the years. Firsthand accounts, and 7 women in a lawsuit, which to this point, has cost the women more than him, despite his admission of some of it, and lots of evidence. Anyway, the worst part was the whole way that he has responded to the accusations. Defensive and feeling wronged, and totally UNAWARE and lacking in empathy about anyone's experience that he has affected (and some women describe how their lives have been ruined - it's very gut-wrenching to read). Very reminiscent of Rawat. They have a whole thing on their website about Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I e-mailed them supportively and told them I had just been there, and that the leaders were still calling him a model man. They were really glad of the support. They are worried about new people being pulled in (like our concern with aspirants). I invited them to our website, and they came and posted a bit below, and are going to have a link to EPO because ithey said they found it very supportive to the abused few who left and are still in shock that the community continues as usual. So I've been thinking about personality disorders. Some people theorize that we all have traces of a few of the standard disorders - especially borderline and narcissistic. (Jeez, I just looked in the DSM-IV and I've got them all!). Borderlines and narcissists tend to bond with each other, so maybe on a homeopathic level, we were all a bit borderline, in our bonding with Guru Narcissaraji. But - re evil - some people seem to embody these disorders to the point where there doesn't seem to be much else there. Insurance companies won't pay for some of these disorders, because they are deemed virtually 'incurable.' I found this phenomenon confusing when I was working with people. On the one hand, I idealistically felt quite certain that these people were expressions of the same soul-stuff as I and the trees and the cell-phones. But they seemed inexorably committed to a life-path that seemed like a kind of trance in which they were the only real people present. Other people were there to fulfill needs. And often this would be covered up by some kind of clever identity structure that seemed to be 'good' (like a swami preaching celibacy)or a 'wronged victim' - meanwhile laying a path of carnage in their wake. Yes, it was always related to some wounding, blah blah blah. But the defense structure then becomes so clever that it's a perpetrator in itself. Very difficult to bust. I trust that the busting does occur, and the being eventually gets reorganized, if only by death, or many deaths. It reminds me of the comment someone made on this site once, that MJ is a true atheist. In the meantime, I do think it's good to learn a bit about these strange phenomena for protection of ourselves and others. I mean, who knew? Hope this made some sense, love Foggy Darling

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 13:35:38 (GMT) From: Connie Email: None To: Katie Darling Subject: Katie D - unaware, uncaring and indifferent Message:

of the impact on others. I think these are very powerful, and it is those qualities that cause, as you said, 'carnage in their wake'. I laughed when I read what you said about the DSM-1V criteria. There might be something in your idea that at a homeopathic level premies are borderline and the guru narcissitic. Do you think that's what that old spiritual reference to the 'mirror' really meant?

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:47:11 (GMT) From: Katie H. Email: None To: Katie Darling Subject: Children of the Lie (not really ot) Message:

Hi Katie - I'm also suffering from brain fog on and off (I hate it), but found your post very clear. First, thanks for contacting the Kriyanand people - it is always good news to hear that another group of 'ex' people was helped by this site. Brian got an e-mail from some former followers of Lazaris (sp?) - you probably know who he is - a channeller, and they really liked the ex-premie.org site too & wanted to use it as a model. It's amazing how much the 'ex' people from other cults can relate to our experiences, and vice versa. About borderline and narcissistic disorders, you wrote: But they seemed inexorably committed to a life-path that seemed like a kind of trance in which they were the only real people present. and In the meantime, I do think it's good to learn a bit about these strange phenomena for protection of ourselves and others. I mean, who knew? I agree! - but I also don't think either type of behavior is that uncommon, although it may be unusual to meet someone who exemplifies the personality type. I guess I've always been aware that such people existed because my dad was a bit like that. I have learned to avoid (politely, if possible) people who manifest even a little of either kind of behavior, because they are often bottomless pits and will suck all the energy out of you. I was unconciously sensitized to this because of some things that happened to me when I was growing up (you can just feel the energy drain, IMHO), but also, unfortunately drawn to try and 'help' people like this. Now that I'm conscious of it, it's easy for me to walk away as soon as I realize what is going on. I have exactly the same problems with people who are stuck in covert hostility - they are TOXIC, imho. Like they say in AlAnon 'You didn't cause it, and you can't cure it.' Well, I hope this made sense - I don't feel that I've been communicating very clearly lately :). Love, Katie

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:07:08 (GMT) From: Katie Darling Email: None To: Katie H. Subject: Re our brain fog Message:

Mine is a sudden onset brain fog due to aaaarrrrgh - CHANGING! How about yours? Your post seemed very clear and I agree completely. Funny how one gets drawn to 'help' the ones that suck one the most (because of old family memories). Love to you Katie from Katie

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:20:05 (GMT) From: Katie H Email: None To: Katie Darling Subject: Re our brain fog Message:

I think I'm in the same situation (don't know yet though, but sheesh - I'm gonna be 45 in a month!). It could just be 'overwhelm' - which causes the same problem for me. Anyway, I hear it gets better after a few years (big help, I know!), and it is nice to know that other people go through it too, and that it's not premature senility :). Love to you too - Katie

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:28:15 (GMT) From: Katie Darling Email: None To: Katie H Subject: To the other Katie Message:

Hey, that was quick, you're right there! I'm 50 this year. I've all of a sudden plunged into a total change. Quite intense. Thanks for your reply above about Anand. love to you and Brian the other other Katie

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 05:46:06 (GMT) From: Connie Email: None To: Katie Darling Subject: To both Katies Message:

Thanks for your kind comments. I can relate to brain fog. We seem to be around the same age, give or take a few years. When posting here, I find it confronting to my own brain fog. When I press the submit button, I have this moment of uncertainty about the clarity of the post and its reception. When I read comments like yours, I breathe a sigh of relief that at least one person saw some clarity in it. I think this has something to do with standing by myself and trying to use my own thought processes for the first time in years. Expressing my own ideas, not influenced by the safe party line that was subtley embedded in my psyche. In one way I feel like a new born little pony, all wobbly legs, adapting and trying to stand up straight in this new world, sometimes exciting, sometimes overwhelming, that I find myself in. Big hug to you both.

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 11:58:55 (GMT) From: Katie H Email: None To: Connie Subject: Connie - expressing thoughts and feelings Message:

Hi Connie - I don't see your posts as manifesting brain fog at all - they are always very clear and on target. Now MY posts...well, enough said about that:)! I've done a lot of technical writing, and that is not hard for me, but what the forum is teaching me to do is formulate my personal thoughts and feelings in words and express them clearly. I find it much harder to express subjective experiences in words. Writing here (and also writing personal e-mails) has helped a lot with that. Take care (and big hug to you too!) Katie

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 21:43:31 (GMT) From: Lesley Email: None To: Connie Subject: Nice analogy Message:

I feel like a frisky pony at this stage, with a pressing need to learn how to control my legs, unfortunately the only way to learn this seems to be just to kick them thar legs around and learn the hard way! xox Lesley

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:37:23 (GMT) From: Babs Email: ralphie@ralphiescafe.com To: Katie Darling Subject: To both Katies Message:

I've been eavesdropping on your conversation. 'Best of Forum' material. BTW, Labrys, yes. Red hair, no. Hope you are both well.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:41:16 (GMT) From: Katie H. Email: None To: Babs Subject: Thanks, Babs Message:

Both of us are therapy-oriented (not sure if Katie D. would put it that way), and some people here aren't interested much - but I am. Red hair?

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:47:48 (GMT) From: Babs Email: ralphie@ralphiescafe.com To: Katie H. Subject: Red hair? Message:

Katie D knew a red-headed Babs at IHQ. I'm mousy brown. But I do love the color. Married two redheads in the hopes of having redheaded children until I found out that red hair skips a generation. Stopped marrying for hair color. Third marriage is working. I thought Katie D. was the therapist...

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:54:30 (GMT) From: Katie H. Email: None To: Babs Subject: LOL, Babs (ot) Message:

Still laughing about marrying for hair color, although I guess there are worse criteria! Katie D. IS the therapist - I've experienced a lot of it from the other side :) (although not with Katie D. herself, unfortunately, as we have a lot in common!). I work as a soil scientist - long story which basically concerns my need to do something to help other beings! TC, Katie H.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:45:18 (GMT) From: Katie H. Email: None To: Babs Subject: Oops got the red hair,and we need a Moon Lodge! nt Message:

nt

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:50:48 (GMT) From: Babs Email: ralphie@ralphiescafe.com To: Katie H. Subject: The moon isn't full until tomorrow Message:

...is it?

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:59:19 (GMT) From: Katie H. Email: None To: Babs Subject: I thought tonight? Message:

But my 'Cat Lovers Against the Bomb' calendar isn't really exact about when. This place tends to hop when the moon is full.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:34:50 (GMT) From: Katie H. Email: None To: Katie Darling Subject: To the other Katie - in real time (mostly OT) Message:

Brian's 50 this year too (although he will not like me putting this information into the public eye :)!) My mom says life is much easier after 50 - guess we'll see... I must admit that getting older has given me much more perspective and I don't get so bugged about small things. Re changing - have you read Christiane Northrup? Really good information and help, IMHO. It was very kind of you to contact the Anand people - Brian was happy to hear about it too. Every little bit helps! Love you - Katie

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 07:35:50 (GMT) From: Katie Darling Email: None To: Katie H. Subject: Real time Message:

Ah yes, real time, that would be 12:32 am when I have thrown off the covers and leaped in heated, sizzling splendor from the arms of my beloved to sit and cool off in the Forum on this moonlit night. There is a shaft of greenish moonlight on my head right now! Just because she's a soil scientist, Babs, don't be fooled! Katie H. is an eartherapist. She is EMPATHIC with that dirt, and is healing the earth by communicating with it from a sane place. Re: red hair: wait a minute, my mother and sister have red hair. Is my mother really my grandmother?

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 09:14:51 (GMT) From: janet the wiseass Email: None To: Peter Subject: every chance it gets, I'd say..... Message:

sorry. riveted to your thread, actually. couldn't resist the retort in the headline.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 09:01:48 (GMT) From: AJW Email: anthginn@yahoo.com To: Peter Subject: where does evil lie Message:

Peter, I didn't read your first post, but if you have information about a child rape you should report it to the Police, even if it happened a long time ago. You should do this for several reasons. The rapists may still be doing the same thing. You will feel better because you have done the right thing. It may help the victim, even after many years, to know that someone has aknowledged a serious wrong has been done to them when they were most vulnerable. And who knows, it may even do the rapist some good to be forced to come to terms with their crime. I don't think opening a public discussion, here on the forum, on the matter is perhaps the best way to proceed. It's certainly not the place to make serious accusations without any evidence. From what you say, somebody told you that someone else had done it. This isn't real evidence. I think it's called 'hearsay'. And, indeed, if there is any evidence, like I said, you should go to the cops. Email me if you want to discuss this offline Peter. Anth, who has been to the cops himself.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 09:53:12 (GMT) From: Peter Email: None To: AJW Subject: where does evil lie Message:

Dear Anth Of course your right. I intend to go to the police, but at this moment I am in discussin with the informant to see if the victim would be willing to come forward. I only heard this story the other night and was in shock that I quite possibly knew the perpetrator/s. I think I put the story out on the forum hoping that others might know something. Since making such allegations is a very serious matter. Already others have contacted me, and in each case adding something to the jig saw of disturbing events. However, it will be up to the victim, and whom I'm informed still suffers from his childhood ordeal. Your advice was appreciated. Peter.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 10:18:00 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Peter Subject: Going in reverse. Message:

Hi Peter, I seem to live life the wrong way round. I just read your post below, which puts your post at the top of this thread into context. The added credibility makes your story more disturbing. I'll email you. Anth Ginn

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 08:17:15 (GMT) From: Tony(Aussi Ji) Email: parisw@ozemail.com.au To: Peter Subject: where does evil lie Message:

G,day Peter, I wondered if anyone would take offense at my post.It isn't difficult in this age of political correctness to offend.If you read exactly what I said you will see that I wasn't making a joke aimed at victims of sexual abuse at all.If it was taken that way,then that is your problem.Has your sense of humour been surgically removed. Tony.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 18:08:21 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Tony(Aussi Ji) Subject: it was timing Tony Message:

People are really sensitive about that subject right now, and i can understand why. If it helps, one of my sons told me the same thing once, he had a crush on one of my female friends. He was 16 she was 30. We don't all agree here but I wouldn't let it get to you and I thank you for not saying it's because you are aussie :)

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 18:40:51 (GMT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Selene Subject: Yes, Selene, thanks... Message:

Selene and Tony, I've been thinking about this. I don't think it's abnormal for a teen of any gender to fantasize about older women/men. Not at all...I think it's normal (if it's not obsessive). What would be unhealthy would be for the adult to be fantasizing about the teen. I remember as a teenager having crushes on older men, movie stars, John, Paul, George, (not Ringo), etc., but just fantasies. Selene said it well...it was the timing. And truth be told, I can become oversensitive, as well. Tony, I'm sorry about the ''don't pout'' remark. Be well, Cynthia

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:55:16 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: yeah not Ringo :) Message:

I remember my Jm Morrisson thing. but hey, I liked John Lennon back then too so don't judge me too harshly about The Doors. We can still blame it on the moon. Thanks for speaking up and being sincere about this. It helps me see the different sides.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:04:51 (GMT) From: Katie H. Email: None To: Selene Subject: How about Bob Dylan? (snicker) Message:

I actually used to have dreams about him when I was a teenager - believe it or not. He was kinda cute back then. I liked what Cynthia said about it being OK for teens to fantasize about adults too - because I believe that's true. (But NOT Jim Morrison for me - sorry Selene. A lot of girls at the univ. still worship him though!)

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:13:01 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Katie H. Subject: I liked B.Dylan's songs ot Message:

a LOT. but uh... no I was not thinking much of him otherwise. well you were wise I suppose, not to be into the Morrisson mindset. A lot of good it did me! I still listen to their greatest hits tape in the car sometimes. (didn't ever buy the CD).

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:22:11 (GMT) From: Katie H Email: None To: Selene Subject: Forgot my ot earlier - sorry (ot) Message:

I only like L.A. Woman & mostly because of the blatant Jerry Garcia rip-off of the instrumental part. Jim Morrison always seemed to need someone to take care of him - NOT appealing to me.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:33:12 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Katie H Subject: yeah story of my life (ot) Message:

ick. oh well. ick again. Not much more to say :) LA Woman was my fave. I didn't realize it was a rip off. Always listened to the Dead when my friends wanted to, wasn't that aware. I'm one of those people who missed the dead head thing. I'm ashamed to say, didn't know a thing about them except I liked the non vocal stuff they played for hours on end at some club I used to go to. I was born 10 years too early. I really think so that it was a mistake I mean my mom was 42 and i was NOT planned for. I'll stop now, can you tell I am having AG withdrawals but not really.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:37:32 (GMT) From: Katie H. Email: None To: Selene Subject: yeah story of my life (ot) Message:

I would go to AG if I were you - but understand why you don't want to. I didn't get into the Dead until I was an ex-premie - at the time I thought I was real old (I was 21 - snicker). I never liked the long jams, but still love to listen - but I have to use headphones to do it :). Love, Katie

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:46:14 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Katie H. Subject: ok last post I promise Message:

I'm surprised you would tell me to go to AG Katie. I realized something that I should have realized a year or so ago. Could have saved myself some bad hassles. That is, that I am too fragile and impressionable to post on a forum where anything goes. Not aure why but the creeps chase me. cerise/easykeel bless his wicked black heart showed me that last week and that is that. End of story. It takes me forever but once I learn I do tend to stay with it. I mean, I may pop in and of course I will lurk - who doesn't? but you know the adage, fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me? Well edit the shame on me part to say fool me like 18 times and I finally got it.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:57:46 (GMT) From: Katie H. Email: None To: Selene Subject: ok last post I promise Message:

I guess I would like you to be there, that is why I said that - and I really wasn't thinking. Also, I would stick up for you :). But I do understand (and especially about the harassment, and the 'anything goes', including fake names and so forth). It's just hard to see you and eb separated :). The creeps chase you because you are honest and vulnerable. Not bad qualities, IMHO. Love, Katie

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 04:02:16 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Katie H. Subject: ok next to last (ot) Message:

Is the moon yes? I am touched by your post. Thank you so much it helps to have a reason for why I get their crap. I'm seeing eb in real life soon. She wants me to take her back to see my wild friends, she is so bad!! but I think I can talk her into something else :) goodnight Katie.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 20:57:16 (GMT) From: Tony(Aussi Ji) Email: parisw@ozemail.com.au To: Cynthia Subject: Yes, Selene, thanks... Message:

G'day Cynth, Thank you.I think an apology is in order. Cheers Tony.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 14:06:05 (GMT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Tony(Aussi Ji) Subject: where does evil lie? Message:

Tony, Please read my post to you under your joke. It's not a PC at all. Anth explained it very well in both threads. Now don't pout, you just made a mistake. Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 09:08:21 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Tony(Aussi Ji) Subject: Political Correctness. Message:

Hi Tony, Before 'Political Correctness' was turned into a term of abuse by the right wing press, I always thought it was common sense not to discriminate against your fellow human beings on grounds of race, sex, sexual orentation or anything else that may make you appear a little different from the herd. Maybe someone who doesn't laugh at a racist joke isn't showing a lack of a sense of humour. Maybe they're showing a little sensitivity. Anth the loony lesbian with a lisp and a limp (ask me 'limp what?' and I'll thump you.)

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 19:42:56 (GMT) From: Katie Darling Email: None To: AJW Subject: Political Correctness yes, I agree. Message:

Gawd, Anth, I couldn't agree more. So many terms have been used as terms of abuse (with no basis except for gullible people's easy shameability) when there is no humane argument against what is being decried, so it has to be sniped at or name-called. Or just subtly made to seem uncool or maginalized in the local status quo. The attack on political correctness is a great example of this. I mean, do we really want to go back to nigger and fag and spastic and inequality to broads - I mean, women? Oh yes, and 'touchy-feely' - I mean.. let's go back to the days when touching and feeling were taboo! I could go on but then again I could stop right here. Katie the new age touchy feely politically correct feminist idealist thinking of adopting your sign-off mode if you don't mind Darling

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 21:43:14 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: Katie Darling Subject: Political Correctness agree to some extent ot Message:

but it can be overboard, working in a university I see this. It gets sometimes like the feeling of walking on eggshells, not sure which label of the year to use etc. I feel inept, like a country bumpkin at times and it's frustrating when I mean well. I attend the Diversity seminars from time to time and yes it IS heartbreaking to hear the stories of the horrible things that some people have endured. I certainly don't want to go back to the 'keep em barefoot and pregneant' dark ages either!! And I never tell people where I live now that I grew up in Massachusettes, after the 3rd or so remark about 'the liberal state' 'the welfare state' blah blah. I suppose AJW said it best, common sense is the gest guide. Wanna tell that to my neighbors AJW? I certanly don't dare!

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 08:14:36 (GMT) From: AJW Email: None To: Selene Subject: They put wires in my brain. Message:

Hi Selene, When I'm in the States I walk around thinking that if half these people knew what was going on in my head they'd add a bullet to the train of thoughts in my cortex. Some people say they mellow with age. The opposite seems to be happening to me. Anth, just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean nobody's following me.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 20:09:59 (GMT) From: Selene Email: None To: AJW Subject: They should put wires in my brain. Message:

paranoia - your sign off says it all. The word has become overused jargon from the sixties when people would get high and talk about being paranoid. A person would have to be braindead to not see ill intent in some of the more loving anonymous premie(?) posts here but I wouldn't say that's paranoia unless it's all the time and one fears and suspects everyone here. But I can understand why coming to the states would do that to you : I have mellowed out but I suspect that is due to medcation the more conservative approach to wires.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 00:49:32 (GMT) From: jumbler Email: None To: Everyone Subject: the inner circle Message:

whoo hoo & hoo in at last thanks to all who welcomed me in to the forum hope to get to know you soon i was so amazed to find this site having been an ashram premie for a long time in the late 70's (sothampton & edinburgh) i left i felt a huge amount of guilt when i left i had left the 'lotus feet' for the pleasures of the world also that i had really denied the my true feelings when i was in dlm i loved the people i was with in those days, we were really seeking truth i think we all did what we did with the best of intentions, & i still hold to those principles today man did i suffer, but i'm o.k now methinks it's time to give the satguru some serious shtick for all his devious shit, if only for all those years collecting jumble in the rain! ta ta p.s you may have known me as taffy then

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 08:17:38 (GMT) From: Paddy Email: None To: jumbler Subject: Taffy, if you're Welsh I may know you. Message:

So, what's your name, and what's wrong with your 'Shift' key? Paddy the Shifty Anth

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 03:54:01 (GMT) From: Curious George Email: None To: jumbler Subject: Taffy rings a bell Message:

Dear Taffy, What's your proper name? I was at the Edinburgh Ashram in the 70's too. Think I might know you. C.G.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 01:11:19 (GMT) From: moldy warp Email: None To: jumbler Subject: the inner circle Message:

Hello Jumbler. your name -taffy - sounds kinda familiar. where you in edinburgh in 78 ?- I got k there in June 78. I was 7 months pregnant and spent 3 nights on this very wierd (are there any other sort?) camp bed that had a knack of folding up unannounced. i remember the premies made us cream crackers with paste on in the break in the K session - I was so out of my head that I could not recognise wot on earth was on the crackers (or so I interpreted things at the time -in retrospect it was probably relief at getting wot I thought was 'the truth' at last after the increasing desperation of the long wait)I'm glad you're Ok now and look forward to more posts from you Love Moldy

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 12:53:39 (GMT) From: jumbler Email: None To: moldy warp Subject: motorcycle meditation Message:

cool name! i'm not sure if i'd run back to wales by '78. a certain george blodwell was the ashram secretary, or whatever they were called, at the time i split. i used to work in the divine sales (ho ho) shop on leith walk & the others were busy building the pilrig st ashram. we all chugged around in a bloody old blue van driven by gentle pete. wierd times but not as strange as yours sounds good to talk to some survivors & know that ex's are warning others of the dangers anyone want to start the ex-premie provisional wing? (just joking mostly) ta ta i'm off for a blast on my bike, any more ex-pemie motorcyclists out there i wonder ? now that would be a laff an ex-premie bike club!!!

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 21:17:36 (GMT) From: Tony(Aussi Ji) Email: parisw@ozemail.com.au To: jumbler Subject: I was a Ducati freak. Message:

G'day JUmbler, I had to stop riding as I was taking to many chances.As you know on a Duke there are 2 speeds ...flat out and stopped. Motorcycling is a terminal disease,it stays in your blood for life.I can hear a duke coming a mile away and my heart stirs and I think...maybe I should get another bike...but no I would want to go flat out again and risk life and limb Enjoy your ride mate. Cheers Tony. An ex honda,Yamaha,suzuki,kawasaki,ducati and Bmw rider.I did once ride a Honda stepthrough but that experience is best forgotten.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 14:32:24 (GMT) From: cq Email: quartus@postmaster.co.uk To: jumbler Subject: remember a certain white piano from Divine Sales? Message:

... heh, heh. If you were there pre-1975, then I'm sure I'd know you. cq is me - Chris, the one-time ashram treasurer. Bet there's a few old memories of the good (and the bad) times knocking around my brain that need airing. Do you remember any of these folk: Angus?, Leslie?, Ricky?, Nick?, Big Chris (I was little Chris), Zana, Alan (the demon-DIY-guy, who once knocked down a supporting wall in the ashram, causing everyone to have to abandon the place for months end). Oh, and the white piano?, well, if you don't remember, I'll tell you about it another time. Feel free to email me (above) if you like, Cheers, Chris

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 00:20:05 (GMT) From: jumbler Email: None To: cq Subject: remember a certain white piano from Divine Sales? Message:

hi man oh yeah, alan was this weird older guy, not like most premies at the time, he said he knew stuff about buildings & so on, he reckoned we could knock down this cellar wall to make a kitchen or something. turned out to be holding the whole house up. big problems with the council! i remember when george decided to buy the place & we went to look at it, the place used to be a club with gaming tables and stuff and we all just said 'yeah cool we can make it into an ashram' the place next door was the edinburgh transport social club, oh we fitted right in! zana and mary were the house mothers when i was there, i loved them like sisters oh and there was mother earth resaurant and the market, angus was the sec before george and on one memorable occasion we dumped him in a bath of cold water white suit and all leslie was a house mother too with the biggest smile i've ever seen i'd come in to the ashram after jumbling and she'd just laugh at me like i was her lost child, that i was! hey, notice nobody picked up on the provo wing of ex-premie, did i say somethimg wrong?

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 16:55:50 (GMT) From: Ex premie provo wing Email: None To: jumbler Subject: mr. jumbler Message:

shhhhh..... No one knows we are out here.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 19:13:06 (GMT) From: JHB Email: None To: cq Subject: Hey, I heard about the wall! Message:

As I heard it, the Edinburg ashram premies wanted to enlarge the cellar, and so demolished a wall, which turned out (big surprise - a wall in the cellar) to be a structural wall and the whole house started falling down. Is that how it was? John the ultra careful about demolishing walls ever since hearing that story so some good did come from following the Guru. No cult is useless, it can always serve as a bad example.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:31:34 (GMT) From: Babs Email: ralphie@ralphiescafe.com To: JHB Subject: Ralphie always says, Message:

'99% of all learning is learning not to do that, again.'

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 17:15:10 (GMT) From: Katie Darling Email: None To: cq Subject: Jumbling-schmumbling/did you wear a sandwich board Message:

Jumbling was tough and smelly and moldy work (no wonder you got moldy, warp!). But, hey, for real devotion, did any of you walk the streets wearing a big, wooden, two-sided sandwich board announcing the arrival on the planet of the Lord, or some such message? Those were bra-less times, and boy, those things were heavy! And my old friends were there laughing at me on the Brighton boardwalk (1972). I musta been in some altered state! And we used to sing devotional songs in the various little squares in Brighton. One time I was singing 'My Lord' to the tune of Otis Redding's song 'My Girl.' Someone in the scathing 'audience' said, 'Blimey, that's the most sexless thing I've ever heard!' And I was 19 and a babe (even though I was ballooning by the hour on ashram food and sexlessness). What was I thinking (or not!)? This must have been the ultimate bad ego day of my life, I think. And what was yours? love Katie Darling (now thin)

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 02:43:15 (GMT) From: Babs Email: ralphie@ralphiescafe.com To: Katie Darling Subject: Does anybody remember Celia, Message:

the housemother of the ashram in Clapham Common in 1972? The brothers who lived there used to support themselves by building baragons in the basement. Celia was a love, very kind to me when I was very confused, and she even served tea to my parents when they came to visit. I'd love to know what happened to her.

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 13:59:13 (GMT) From: moldy warp Email: None To: Babs Subject: Babs - I love this sentence of yours Message:

'The brothers who lived there used to support themselves by building baragons in the basement.' Sounds painful!

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 23:06:43 (GMT) From: Tony(Aussi Ji) Email: parisw@ozemail.com.au To: Katie Darling Subject: Jumbling-schmumbling/did you wear a sandwich board Message:

G'day Katie, I used to do jumbling in Sydney in the early seventies.I still remember knocking on doors and saying 'got any jumble for a charity.We will take anything from a hatpin to an elephant' I then progressed to handing out leaflets outside a main Sydney railway station.That was probably the most memorable ego sleying day of my life,totally paranoid that someone outside of DLM would recognise me. When I went to Guru Puja in Copenhagen in '74 I had to do the same and say something like 'take',I think,but that was ok because noone knew me there. Once In London a few of us premies were on a double decker bus and there were children of god on the bus as well.So the premies in unison started to sing some fucking devorional song to the whole bus. There should be a nobel prize for such feats endured by premies in the name of devotion.Maybe..'the poor, pathetic,brainwashed, saps award'.

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 07:52:10 (GMT) From: Brian Smith Email: None To: Tony(Aussi Ji) Subject: Sandwich board, the one I wore once took the cake Message:

I had grown disallusioned with life in a premie house at the time of this funny little attempt at finding comic relief involving a sandwich board. It was as I look back at it now, a hilarious way of protesting and releasing what had turned into a very stressful and uptight living situation. For those of you who have endured the experience of ashram, premie house life and the ensuing politics you can relate. You know the drill, the relentless house meetings where the same unresolved issues are endlessly debated, the sexual tension, the missplaced anger at seeing your money and resourses diminished, the annoying personal habits of others that you are forced to endure daily, the unrealistic expectations of having to be blissed out at all times etc, etc. I split from the premie house circa late 76, my Irish Premie Best Buddy and I decided to move out, we were sort of seen as rouge's by the other premie's in the house anyway and we were. One day we got roaring drunk (there nothing quite like the Irish to drink with) and on a defiant dare I drew up this sandwich board and stood out on NW 23rd where all of the street people and panhanders worked the crowds. I had a tin cup for collecting alms and I was wearing nothing more than a bathing suit, thong sandals and sun glasses in the dead of winter. [I actually made enough to buy another bottle of cheap swill] It stated in big bold letters on both sides, 'DON'T FUCK WITH GOD' True story, I stood out there and then my Buddy (he had on a oversized divine sales tuxedo suit, shades, fedora and tennis shoes) walked up and down the avenue to the amazement of passerby's. We attracted a lot of stares, and some strange comments and barely escaped questioning by the cops. Then there was the matter of the rumor of the prank to deal with, even though we freely admitted it to the house father, by then we did not care what happened via consequence at his discretion, We had both decided to move out on our own anyway and it was more or less a personal statement on my behalf that I was fed up with that phase of my life. Besides that, we did not get identified as DLM citizens anyway so we did no damage the community at large, it sure was fun though we both laughed uncontollably as did many others who got the joke as well.. I was always a tad rebellious and a bit of a hell raiser and this little stunt was the one of the final straws in the hat of my departure from the far too restricted lifestyle and expectations of the inner circle premie community. I went into the fringe for a couple of years and resurfaced as a respectable householder until my final exit recently. I guess I was ahead of my time back then, I hadn't thought of this little episode until you triggered my memory with the sandwich board question Tony. Brian who had to ultimatly quit drinking because he was prone to much crazy behavior whilst inebriated

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Date: Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 12:02:01 (GMT) From: Katie H Email: None To: Brian Smith Subject: This is too funny! Message:

Brian, I cannot IMAGINE you doing that - from what I know of you after reading your posts on here. But what a great story! You were indeed ahead of your time :). Love, Katie

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 00:47:41 (GMT) From: Bin Liner Email: None To: Tony(Aussi Ji) Subject: Your bus story made me laugh ...... Message:

....imagine the poor stoical bastards who had to put up with that , going about their daily business & finding themselves serenaded by a bunch of loonies . & still some people try & claim that the English are intolerant. My own cringe moment came when I handed out a leaflet to a hippie on a busy Saturday afternoon & he told me to fuck off . For one brief second of liberation I wanted to kick him in the balls & actually looked around , but there were too many people about . After that I went into the woodwork , but still carried on believing . The things we did .

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 07:28:21 (GMT) From: Tony(Aussi Ji) Email: parisw@ozemail.com.au To: Bin Liner Subject: Another classic was.... .... Message:

4 or 5 of us premies used to hail a cab to go to satsang in Sydney.One of us would sit in the front with the driver and the rest in the back.It was a twenty minute drive.Then we would do our act.One of the premies in the back would say to the one in the front..So you see a divine light in your head do you? Oh yes I do.this would go on for a few minutes and then we would say to the driver.So what do you think about this driver?.This would then start off our satsang to the driver.Pretty sneaky wasn't it?We used to get some taxi drivers actually come and check it out. I am cringing just thinking about it.. Cheers Tony.Apologies to Sydney taxi drivers in early 70's

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 03:00:38 (GMT) From: Katie H. Email: None To: Bin Liner Subject: Still cringing...... Message:

when I remember passing out leaflets, or asking shopowners to put up M posters in their windows (it got a lot easier when we had those pretty 'Sunny Kingdom' posters). I remember things like that bus story, Tony (although I never did anything like that - but knew people who would do it at the drop of a hat). I also remember being completely embarassed by the stupid clothes (long skirts and dresses) that I felt that I HAD to wear everywhere. Thank god there are very few pictures of me from back then. I was very shy back then anyway - giving satsang at the ashram was a nightmare for me, although I felt that I had to do it once in a while (still cringe remembering that too...) I suppose I'm lucky that I didn't withdraw completely after making a fool of myself so many times in public. Anyway, yeah, still cringing...

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Date: Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 07:32:46 (GMT) From: janet Email: None To: Katie H. Subject: oh hey--how about this for being out there? Message:

I went into new york city within a month after receiving K, and my most 'out there' acts as a premie occurred in midtown manhattan in the throngs of all-business fagedaboudit newyorkers slicing their way to success on fifth avenue between Grand Central and Times Square. Try standing out there in goofy white earthshoes, funny clothes you picked off the rack at divine sales (my favorite that season--a men's french cuffed business shirt with an extremely high collar, worn with a gathered paisley dirndl skirt I sewed, myself, out of a drape i pulled from a basket at the new york storefront, run by sheldon jaffe and bobby manrodt at the time. ahhh- haute couteur on the catwalk. they loved us, dahling!) planting yourself smack in the way of hordes of impatient newyorkers and leafletting for the goomer in the face of and endless stream of negativity. i dont think I've ever worked so hard at staying On Holy Name and transcending the Maya. If you perfected it, you got high and entered a second realm where you no longer heard or saw them as they wanted you to take them. If I wore earplugs out there, I started seeing into their souls and 'reading' what they were 'really' saying, and that scared them deeply. Then there were the new york subways. comparable to your songfest on the double decker bus with the children of God, we opened a restaurant on said block of fifth avenue to show the world what life could be if everybody had Knowledge, and we rode the subways in for an hour in the morning from our premie houses out in Queens. Picture all these suspicious, grouchy, determinedly harsh newyorkers, hiding behind their papers or their books, trying ferociously not to make eye contact or acknowledge us, and us, in our goofy premie clothes and floaty angeleic smiles, breaking into endless choruses of 'the lord of the Universe' or 'who is Guru Maharaj Ji?' as we wove our ways thru the train, going from car to car, serenading those poor, hardbitten souls on their captive journey into the city. No question about it--the voices were lovely. our vibes were overpowering. It was especially funny to see people pick up newspapers left on the seats and hold them upside down before them as a fake shield, as if they were reading them and ignoring us. On more than one occasion one gentle brother or sister would lean over to the person and quietly, helpfully whisper 'you're reading it upside down' and crinkle their nose cutely and wink, and then straighten and go on singing with our band of angels. sometimes we brought a guitar, but we really didnt need one. we all knew the harmonies by heart. when we finally ran out of songs or breath, we'd all lapse into Holy Name and put everyone in the car to sleep until we hit the first stops in the city. when we reached our stop, we'd yell a gay farewell to these captive strangers who'd been at the mercy of our unasked for concert, as we bounded out into the dark tunnels of the subway like children, romping at play. Sometimes we would pick out the hardest case in the train and focus on 'melting' them by ride's end. I seem to recall one or even two of our crowd (one male, one female) astonishing some grey flannel grump by bookending him (or her) seconds before disembarcation and planting sincere kisses on each of the person's stunned cheeks, and dashing lightly off the train, a second later when the doors opened!

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 18:10:44 (GMT) From: Pat Conlon Email: None To: Katie Darling Subject: Katie D, I just loved this awkward sentence of you Message:

You said: ''Those were bra-less times, and boy, those things were heavy!'' I had to read it twice before I figured out it was the sandwich boards which were heavy and not your bazooms.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 19:48:27 (GMT) From: Katie Darling Email: None To: Pat Conlon Subject: 'Busted'...LOL... FA help! Message:

I've always wanted to say LOL and now I actually am laughing out loud. Oh darn, FA can you change it for me?

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 17:37:10 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Katie Darling Subject: My worst ego-moment? well it's obvious, isn't it? Message:

... it was watching you in that sandwich-board singing 'my lord'. I thought to myself, 'jeez, is this really the way to get people turned onto M?' (but seriously - I think I may have been there. Let me guess, it was on the promenade at Brighton, and for some reason one of the London ashrams I was in at the time (the printing ashram perhaps?) had decided to send all its premies off to the seaside, ostensibly as a day out, but surrepticiously to get some propagation out of us). I think I remember you (and, to a lesser extent, you'll be glad to know, the sandwich board). You were the one all the Brighton ashram brothers had the hots for. No? Oh, yes, and you had a penchant for split skirts at the time. Or wasn't that you, Katie? ;)

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 19:51:54 (GMT) From: Katie Darling Email: None To: cq Subject: My worst ego-moment? well it's obvious, isn't it? Message:

Nope. No split skirts. Just the usual sexless bags from Divine Sales. And hair held back. Nobody had the hots for me, not even you Chris, although I secretly fancied you (were you the one with the thong?). They did before I gave my life to Lardy. And they do now (I'm 50 this year). But that was a sad, sexless entry into adulthood for me.

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Date: Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 18:16:30 (GMT) From: Pat Conlon Email: None To: cq Subject: Chris, were you in the Edinburgh ashram in 73? Message:

I was living in the Glasgow ashram and Glen Whittaker took us all over to Edinburgh to help the brothers move into the new ashram which I think was on Leith Walk. God I was so depressed in those days I was practically invisible. It was in summer I think. It was pre-Blodwell days. He was still in Manchester then.

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Date: Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 17:54:37 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Pat Conlon Subject: Chris, were you in the Edinburgh ashram in 73? Message:

'73 - let me see ... I think that's when I was still at the printing ashram in London. The Edinburgh ashram off Leith Walk (Pilrig Street) had just been bought, but wasn't ready for living in. George Blodwell was already secretary when I was moved there (just before the Hansa Graphic printing works was wound up). If you were in the Glasgow ashram, did you know the (one-time) secretary, Jenny? Through a complete coincidence we became next-door neighbours to each other in 1989! (having both left the Maha years before).

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Date: Tues, Apr 10, 2001 at 18:44:40 (GMT) From: PatC Email: None To: cq Subject: Chris, yes, I knew Jenny Message:

I can't believe she left. She was soooo devoted but I sure am glad she got out. She was the only sane person in Glasgow. Glen W was mellow in those days but definitely peculiar. Well, I should talk. I was nuts.

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