Ex-Premie Forum 6 Archive
From: Jul 13, 2001 To: Jul 20, 2001 Page: 5 of: 5


Forum God +) -:- Thunderbirds are GO! -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 15:24:51 (EDT)
__ JHB -:- Re: Thunderbirds are GO! -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 15:43:34 (EDT)
__ __ AJW -:- Re: Thunderbirds are GO! -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 16:32:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ eDrek -:- And I got pics of those tattoos -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 16:39:25 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- Meditation to Medication in 5 Easy Steps -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 16:51:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- drekis (ot) -:- Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 04:39:29 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ JHB -:- Hey - I failed ecstatically! -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 16:46:13 (EDT)
__ __ SF/Selene -:- thanks to both of you -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 16:02:54 (EDT)

PatC -:- My new email address -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 14:06:12 (EDT)
__ PatC -:- PS re my email -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 16:35:21 (EDT)
__ __ Anthia Tessalation. -:- Re: PS re your email -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 16:44:21 (EDT)

Richard -:- 14 Objections -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 13:06:52 (EDT)
__ Amsterdam -:- Re: 14 Objections -:- Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 18:29:22 (EDT)
__ __ Richard -:- Re: 14 Objections -:- Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 00:39:38 (EDT)
__ __ __ Amsterdam -:- Re: 14 Objections -:- Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 07:44:00 (EDT)

Crabby Bull }( -:- FA -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 06:46:18 (EDT)
__ Mr D -:- Re: FA -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 06:52:28 (EDT)

David W -:- Der Fuerer's orderz -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 06:36:25 (EDT)
__ Richard -:- Protecting M -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 11:16:13 (EDT)
__ __ DW -:- No not that -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 13:10:03 (EDT)
__ __ __ Richard -:- Re: No not that -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 13:15:19 (EDT)
__ JohnT -:- I do rude! -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 09:21:19 (EDT)
__ Forum God +) -:- Re: Der Fuerer's orderz -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 06:50:18 (EDT)

PatC -:- About the link embedded in the poster's name -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 04:57:50 (EDT)
__ Mr D -:- Re: About the link embedded in the poster's name -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 05:57:47 (EDT)
__ PatC -:- PS Sir Dave - nice new intro! -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 05:13:39 (EDT)

Francesca -:- How do you use the darn heads -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:04:39 (BST)
__ Psssssstt -:- You can get all the codes ... -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 23:27:11 (BST)
__ __ And ..... -:- Look at the top of FV ... -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 23:30:19 (BST)
__ Francesca :C) -:- Well it worked in the post! -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:05:43 (BST)
__ __ Forum God +) -:- Re: Well it worked in the post! -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 21:36:21 (EDT)
__ __ MrT -:- :C) Whacha say? -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:25:28 (BST)

Selene -:- I like the searh messages feature -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:23:02 (BST)
__ saucy -:- So here you are -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 06:48:15 (EDT)
__ __ SF -:- Ive missed you too -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 13:17:01 (EDT)
__ Disculta -:- Re:Are we just rehearsing? -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 23:56:52 (EDT)
__ __ JHB -:- Awaiting the word of the master -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 14:42:42 (EDT)
__ __ PatC -:- When is the curtain really going to rise? -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 04:35:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ Disculta -:- Re: When is the curtain really going to rise? -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 11:00:30 (EDT)
__ __ __ David Whitla -:- Credible and consistent as ever Pat C -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 04:58:14 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ PatC -:- Holy kangaroo! -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 05:26:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ DW -:- Holy jumping kangaroos! -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 06:31:48 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Hi, DavidW -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 13:32:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ David W -:- The grand Dame? -:- Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 00:01:34 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Now, listen, Possum -:- Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 01:59:49 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ MrT -:- is something special ... ? -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 09:16:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ JohnT -:- It's useless CW -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 05:16:55 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Morning, John. I'm off to bed. -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 05:31:54 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- sunday's always on my mind -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 10:38:03 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: sunday's always on my mind -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 17:43:22 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- tell me why I don't like mondays -:- Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 04:48:12 (EDT)
__ Mr D -:- Your wish is my command [nt] -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:45:55 (EDT)
__ __ SF -:- Re: Your wish is my command -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 22:33:10 (EDT)
__ MrT -:- Sat'-Gossip Forum -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:21:08 (BST)
__ __ Selene -:- yup Louella covered the bases -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:23:07 (BST)
__ __ __ MrT -:- Re: yup Louella covered the bases -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:28:29 (BST)
__ __ __ __ SF -:- I'm so confused -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:31:46 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ MrT -:- Is it cos you keeps changing your name? -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:44:10 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ SF -:- oh got it! -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 21:00:42 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ MrT -:- You's a vampire? -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 21:34:50 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SF -:- not only that but -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 21:50:21 (BST)
__ PatC -:- And the black eye peas -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:29:43 (BST)
__ __ SF -:- it won't stop the creeps -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:46:09 (BST)
__ __ __ OR -:- they may be space aliens -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:00:07 (BST)

PatC -:- Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 19:54:38 (BST)
__ michael donner -:- Re: Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls -:- Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 02:50:31 (EDT)
__ David Andersen -:- Re: Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 18:44:15 (EDT)
__ __ Richard -:- Welcome David A. -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 23:34:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ David Andersen -:- Re: Welcome David A. -:- Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 00:38:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Richard -:- Re: Welcome David A. -:- Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 11:09:59 (EDT)
__ __ suchabanana -:- onymous premie trolls -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 23:18:30 (EDT)
__ __ __ David Andersen -:- Re: onymous premie trolls -:- Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 00:42:48 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ michael donner -:- Re: onymous premie trolls -:- Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 13:14:35 (EDT)
__ __ Deborah -:- A few questions about your above post -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 20:14:05 (EDT)
__ __ __ David Andersen -:- Re: A few questions about your above post -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 21:08:45 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Your response was candid and dignified -:- Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 14:14:43 (EDT)
__ __ PatC -:- I was talking about anonymous premie trolls -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 19:06:43 (EDT)
__ __ __ David W -:- Splendid post -:- Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 00:32:28 (EDT)
__ Catweasel -:- Re: Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 13:02:31 (BST)
__ __ PatC -:- Re: Forum Six - the new Love Club -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 04:49:08 (EDT)
__ __ __ Catweasel -:- Re: Forum Six - the new Love Club -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 10:57:49 (EDT)
__ __ Francesca -:- Thanks for that one, Cat -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:51:16 (BST)
__ __ __ David Andersen -:- Hello Francesca -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 19:02:44 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Francesca -:- Re: Hello David -:- Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 16:43:24 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ David A. -:- Re: Hello David -:- Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:42:09 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Francesca -:- Sorry you didn't like my analogy -:- Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 12:56:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ DA -:- Re: Sorry you didn't like my analogy -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 06:38:22 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Francesca (OT) -:- Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 16:22:13 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Francesca -:- Richard aka postie (OT) -:- Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 17:50:26 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Jim Sander -:- David A.,you did a mean mahatma impersonation -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 20:15:56 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ David Andersen -:- Re: David A.,you did a mean mahatma impersonation -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 21:17:27 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim Sander -:- Re: David A.,you did a mean mahatma impersonation -:- Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 18:32:00 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ David Andersen -:- Re: David A.,you did a mean mahatma impersonation -:- Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:47:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim Sander -:- Re: David A.,you did a mean mahatma impersonation -:- Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 19:48:04 (EDT)
__ __ JohnT -:- Re: Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 13:21:59 (BST)
__ __ __ MrT -:- Re: Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 14:27:04 (BST)
__ Mel Bourne -:- Re: Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 02:31:31 (BST)
__ __ Mel Bourne -:- Pat, I've read your response on AG, (nt) -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 10:48:26 (BST)
__ __ __ JohnT -:- Link -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 23:12:33 (BST)
__ Sir Dave -:- Re: Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 21:04:15 (BST)
__ __ Francesca -:- Your observations about meditation -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:00:29 (BST)
__ DavidJ -:- Why do you think Israel/Palestine is so messed up? -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 21:02:27 (BST)
__ __ PatC -:- Like Sir Dave, I have no respect for censorship -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 18:37:41 (BST)

Sir Dave -:- Do we have to call it Forum 6? -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 14:10:06 (EDT)
__ Mr D -:- Re: Do we have to call it Forum 6? -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 14:24:15 (EDT)
__ __ SF -:- Re: Do we have to call it Forum 6?? -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 22:27:24 (BST)
__ __ __ Ms. Weasel Teets -:- Re: Do we have to call it Forum 6? -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 22:31:37 (BST)
__ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Please answer this question all -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 12:46:32 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ SF -:- Re: Please answer this question all -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 18:36:42 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: Please answer this question all -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 15:26:49 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Keep it as similar to FV as possible -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 18:47:18 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ SF -:- oh duh -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 18:38:16 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ MrT -:- Re: Please answer this question all -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 13:52:46 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- Re: Please answer this question all -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 13:53:50 (BST)

Selene -:- here we go -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 13:52:15 (EDT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Re: here we go -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 14:15:57 (EDT)
__ __ Louella Parsnip -:- There is now also the ''Sat-Gossip'' Forum... -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 20:45:53 (BST)
__ __ __ MrT -:- Yow! BABES!! That's it! -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 21:00:46 (BST)
__ __ __ __ Louella Parsnip -:- Oopsy! Thanks... -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 09:35:05 (BST)
__ __ MrT -:- Re: here we go -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 20:39:19 (BST)

Obergruphenfuhrer -:- So, whats the rules? -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 21:18:40 (BST)
__ Sir Dave -:- Re: So, whats the rules?? -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 21:27:38 (BST)
__ __ SF -:- Re: So, whats the rules? -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 22:22:56 (BST)
__ __ __ SF -:- or maybe it doesn't matter -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 22:29:38 (BST)
__ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: or maybe it doesn't matter -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 22:39:29 (BST)
__ __ Obergruppenfuhrer -:- ACH! -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 21:31:45 (BST)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: ACH! -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 21:44:11 (BST)
__ __ __ __ SF -:- Re: ACH! -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 22:25:36 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ Mr D -:- Re: ACH! -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 09:22:33 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Mr D -:- Oh! It's happening now [nt] -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 09:23:22 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- It's happening now -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:48:42 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SF -:- Re: It's happening now -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:50:41 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mr D -:- What I think Selene -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 00:01:50 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mr D -:- No message here [nt] -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 23:59:09 (BST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SF -:- Re: No message here -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:17:00 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SF -:- Re: No message here -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:18:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mr D -:- My reply -:- Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 00:00:03 (BST)

Gordon Showcase -:- Password protect removed -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 09:08:39 (BST)

Simon Satsang -:- You bastard hateful ex-premies -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 01:01:42 (BST)
__ Hmmmm -:- Re: You bastard hateful ex-premies -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 03:46:49 (BST)
__ SF -:- and oh yeah -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 01:08:10 (BST)
__ __ and -:- Re: and oh yeah -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 01:09:14 (BST)
__ __ __ SD -:- Re: and oh yeah -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 03:30:40 (BST)
__ __ __ __ Mr D -:- New time -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:11:50 (EDT)

Sir Dave -:- What's this? -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 14:21:43 (EDT)
__ Mr D -:- Now I know [nt] -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 14:22:43 (EDT)

Forum Duck -:- This is a test -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 13:09:06 (EDT)
__ DavidJ -:- I wonder if the heads work here ;) -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 13:46:01 (EDT)
__ Cap'n Dave -:- Re: This is a test -:- Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 13:40:03 (EDT)
__ __ Mr D -:- Most recent posts move thread up top [nt] -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 09:24:10 (BST)
__ __ __ Mr D -:- Or do they? -:- Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 09:24:56 (BST)


Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 15:24:51 (EDT)
From: Forum God +)
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Thunderbirds are GO!
Message:
This forum is now the official ex-premie forum. There's just a few additions to make on the site but it's now open to the public.

All change for Forum 6. See, that didn't hurt, did it.

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 15:43:34 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Forum God +)
Subject: Re: Thunderbirds are GO!
Message:
Thanks Sir Dave. With the retirement of forum 5, I will be retiring from forum administration. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all those who have supported me while I have been doing this job, and also all those who have criticised me. The open expression of these forum has always been stimulating and challenging:-)

John Brauns - retired forum administrator

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 16:32:50 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: Thunderbirds are GO!
Message:
Yup, Thanks John.

Having sat in the deckchair for a while, I know it ain't so comfy. Unless Sir Daves' arse is numb, I'm sure he'll get the same tramlines across his rear end that we did.

Anth the you should see my tattoos.

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 16:39:25 (EDT)
From: eDrek
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: And I got pics of those tattoos
Message:
Me and my pictures!

Well, here we all are again. And JHB, you now join the esteemed ranks of all the other FAs who have come before you and who have failed miserably and all went completely insane.

The longest reigning FA is the and only Sir Dave.

And why shouldn't we trust him to do the best job ever? After all, even the Lord of the Universe trusted Sir Dave enough to guard his very own cheese. It doesn't get any better than that!
[ The Cheese ]

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 16:51:23 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: eDrek
Subject: Meditation to Medication in 5 Easy Steps
Message:
Hi Roger,

I was worried for a minute. I thought you were going to put up that photo of me you took in SF harbour, climbing over the Police notice. Hope all is well in the Kingdom of George. Star Wars are Go.

I must say I'm happy to see a gateway to the House of eDrek on Sir Dave's Links page. (I've got a link from my poetry site too.) Do you think the sensi-anarcho-syndicalists will be a big force on the new forum.

How are your plans for a European tour going?

I think I've dropped out again.

Where's my cocoa?

Anth from meditation to medication in five easy steps.

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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 04:39:29 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: drekis (ot)
Message:
PS Roger,

A quote from the ultimate British History Book, 'The Isles' by Norman Davies, page 239.

'As naval architecture evolved and improved the tub-like 'knorr' which was used for trade, was joined by the long, elegant 'dreki' or 'dragon ship', the warship of the fjords. With masts of pine and planks of oak, equipped with both oars and with sail, with keel and side rudder, the 'dreki' knew no rival on the northern seas.'

Anth the big thick book.

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 16:46:13 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: eDrek
Subject: Hey - I failed ecstatically!
Message:
Brilliant link, Roger. Sir Big Cheese is obviously the right man for the job!

John the ex-FA who doesn't do miserable even when people are questioning the size of my penis and telling my to fuck off;-)

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 16:02:54 (EDT)
From: SF/Selene
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: thanks to both of you
Message:
For all your efforts. When I have something to say about the foofoo I'll post. It's hard for me to stay on topic because I am at a stage when I don't much care about M, other than I'd like to see him get a new life and apologize and leave people alone. What a boofhead.
And I'll help out Dave, just email me or post how or when or if you need help.
JHB I wouldn't know if I criticized you or not since the FAs were anon and inconsistent with each other. Hope that is over! Enjoy your new freedom.
ps whoever the other Selena C is over on Livzz Grate is it isn't me.
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 14:06:12 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: My new email address
Message:
Please note my new email address. I am having problems with my old yahoo account and can't answer any emails sent there at present.
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 16:35:21 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: PS re my email
Message:
Until I can get my old yahoo account to work again I do not have my address book. Yes, I know I was dumb not to save addresses on my computer. Anyway this is for those who want to keep in touch by email as I will not be checking in here too often as I am too busy. I've pretty much said all I needed to say to detoxify myself of Maharajism and I don't have the time or inclination to argue with or try to convince premies. Bye.
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 16:44:21 (EDT)
From: Anthia Tessalation.
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: PS re your email
Message:
Who the hell do you think wants to write to an over the hill, clapped out old queen like yourself anyway? God, I'd rather spend the night with a Sooty glove puppet.

Get back to your soya-chimp-burgers or whatever it is you eat.

Anthia, the young, willing and beautiful.

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 13:06:52 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: post@rmi.net
To: All
Subject: 14 Objections
Message:
How about a thread that actually has something to do with M & K? I realize Sir David of Cheddar is peddling as fast as he can but, given time, I hope this forum settles into meaningful dialogue.

Since there appear to be some currently practicing premies here, I was wondering what you think of the 14 objections. This is not an original essay of mine but I think the content is decidedly important to discuss. With so many people posting under aliases and multiple aliases it's hard to tell who's who but, are there any premies with the courage to address any one of these points?

Richard Rogers who is not afraid to use his real name or email address
[ 14 Objections ]

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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 18:29:22 (EDT)
From: Amsterdam
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: 14 Objections
Message:
Hi Richard:
Another bloke addressed the 14 objections at Lifes good. At least I think he made sense. His point is that the perspective is pretty biased (and some statements are actually lies)
Bottom line is allways important in any case.
Thus two things come to my mind:
First: In any relationship there is a question about acceptance. Because no human being is perfect and innate in his or hers nature is a tendency to make mistakes. Thus in any relationship, one has to choose if the good sides of another person has a bigger value than the more negative things. Acceptance and understanding are the key words here.
Second: The bottom line is pretty simple. The questions are: Do I believe this is good for me? Do I really enjoy listening to M or really enjoy my experiences practising Knowledge?

If the answer is 'no'; the normal thing to do is: 'just leave it'. If a 'yes' answer, stick to it.

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Date: Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 00:39:38 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Amsterdam
Subject: Re: 14 Objections
Message:
Hi Amsterdam,

It sounds like I can sum up your ethics as follows: 'It's my experience and if it feels OK to me, then it doesn't matter what M did or said.' Pardon my if I oversimplified this but that's what I read from your reply. Is there more to your relationship with M than that?

And what specific lies are in the 14 Objections?

I will check out the LG answer to the 14 Objections. So far no one has even adressed them much less answer them other than to say they are unsubstatiated lies.

Richard (I am NOT Richard II by the way)

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Date: Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 07:44:00 (EDT)
From: Amsterdam
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: 14 Objections
Message:
Hi Richard
It is more like this: I have been married for 25 years. I cheated on my wife once, she cheated on me. She has made some big mistakes. I have made some big mistakes. One might say that our characters are not flawless.
Anyway; I still love her. (even more than I did when we had to marry) She still loves me. (At least she tells me so)
I think loving is about accepting.
Re 14 objections: I think 'Karl Dickens' wrote but I think it is in inactive (dont know if they have a archive). M. Detmmers and a couple of ex-premies replied.
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 06:46:18 (EDT)
From: Crabby Bull }(
Email: None
To: All
Subject: FA
Message:
Can you show the day of the week in front of the date please. Tata.
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 06:52:28 (EDT)
From: Mr D
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Crabby Bull }(
Subject: Re: FA
Message:
You mean you don't know what day of the week it is? Hmm, too much high living.

Yes, I can do that.

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 06:36:25 (EDT)
From: David W
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Der Fuerer's orderz
Message:
Sir Knight of the Sixth Table,

I just read the Forum manifesto above.

My humble request...
Is it alright if we prems attempt to protect M if someone says very rude things about him?

yours hopefully,
David

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 11:16:13 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: David W
Subject: Protecting M
Message:
David W,
I don't know you but since this seemed to be the only thread with anything about M or K in it, I thought I would respond. Why would M need your protection? What does he need to hide?

Richard

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 13:10:03 (EDT)
From: DW
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: No not that
Message:
Nothing to 'protect' as you say Richard. My request was lightly based upon the possibility that someone might be vedy vedy vedy rude, if you know what I mean, past the bungie cord stretch of even the most open minded pwk. In which case one may feel compelled to say 'that's was a bit below the belt old chap' or something like that. You know, just following the common courtesy of knowing that some jokes or criticisms may be a little rank considering the audience. Having said that, I may have unwittingly set in motion a landslide of crude and rude snipes at M. One can only hope not.
D
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 13:15:19 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: DW
Subject: Re: No not that
Message:
Thanks for that clarification and for using an actual name.
RR
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 09:21:19 (EDT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: David W
Subject: I do rude!
Message:

J'accuse!


[ J'accuse! ]
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 06:50:18 (EDT)
From: Forum God +)
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: David W
Subject: Re: Der Fuerer's orderz
Message:
Of course you can. But please act like grown ups and everyone will get along fine.
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 04:57:50 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: pdconlon@yahoo.com
To: All
Subject: About the link embedded in the poster's name
Message:
The poster's name is a link currently to nowhere but appears to be like the links in yahoo clubs to member profiles. Is there a facility for posting mebers profiles on hotboards? If so can I put mine up. I won't submit a nude pic - yet.
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 05:57:47 (EDT)
From: Mr D
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: About the link embedded in the poster's name
Message:
Thanks for pointing that out. I'll have to see what it means.
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 05:13:39 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: PS Sir Dave - nice new intro!
Message:
Of course I can't promise that Thlema won't put a nude pic on her profile.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:04:39 (BST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: All
Subject: How do you use the darn heads
Message:
I've tried a lot of times and I'm not sure what goes.

The clown, for example, was supposed to be
:C) But is that a small 'c' or large 'C', and do I need the equal sign?


I've done it wrong so many times I'm afraid I'll start annyong people. I have figured out how to make paragraphs in my posts however, by doing the html thing -- '<' then 'p' then '>'


It was driving me crazy before that because my posts were starting to look like donner's or janet's (sorry guys if you're reading this).


bests, f

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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 23:27:11 (BST)
From: Psssssstt
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: You can get all the codes ...
Message:
at AG, but they won't work there anymore!

}) :) :( ()) :| -) ;) ~) :p :O b) 8) :D :C) +) }( :'( :_ |D =)

And here they work in the text too, it seems.

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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 23:30:19 (BST)
From: And .....
Email: None
To: Psssssstt
Subject: Look at the top of FV ...
Message:
for the html.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:05:43 (BST)
From: Francesca :C)
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Well it worked in the post!
Message:
Hope not to annoy with these experiments.

f

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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 21:36:21 (EDT)
From: Forum God +)
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Francesca :C)
Subject: Re: Well it worked in the post!
Message:
Don't worry. This place isn't officially up and running yet. It's still in the testing phase.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:25:28 (BST)
From: MrT
Email: None
To: Francesca :C)
Subject: :C) Whacha say?
Message:
I sees the smiley face only in the main list. Is this the symbols
:C)
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:23:02 (BST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: All
Subject: I like the searh messages feature
Message:
On the Louella Parsnip site.
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 06:48:15 (EDT)
From: saucy
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: So here you are
Message:
Been looking all over the place for you.
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 13:17:01 (EDT)
From: SF
Email: None
To: saucy
Subject: Ive missed you too
Message:
Can't keep up with you was afraid you had run off with Marolyn.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 23:56:52 (EDT)
From: Disculta
Email: Darlingwave@aol.com
To: Selene
Subject: Re:Are we just rehearsing?
Message:
This is hysterical. When is the curtain really going to rise? For some reason this thread made me spill my bowl of cereal.
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 14:42:42 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Awaiting the word of the master
Message:
Just waiting for Sir Dave to say yes!

John the about to retire from FAing:-)

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 04:35:20 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: pdconlon@yahoo.com
To: Disculta
Subject: When is the curtain really going to rise?
Message:
The curtain has already risen and the spotlight is on you.

I'm hoping that this gives me a chance to start afresh and be positive and proactive instead of negative and reactive. This life really is a miracle and I do feel very lucky. I can't spend the rest of my life denigrating Rev Rawat. He is after all such a very ordinary man.

I'm really returning to my old hippie roots. I don't give a damn whether there is a god or not as I'm too busy having fun - part of the fun is sometimes wondering if there is one. I love the old saying: ''God's in his heaven and all's well on earth.''

There are also bigger fish to fry than Maharajism. I still bristle at the barbarity of the Vietnam War and apartheid, Kent State or Soweto and the fact that the government still officialy kills human beings in the US and there are still wars. Maharajism sidetracked me and sapped me my revolutionary energy.

I don't want an ugly revolution. I mean the psychedelic revolution. You know - when life was still hilarious. Welcome, Disculta to the absolutely fabulous new love club - Forum Six! Thelma has already bought new ear-rings.

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 11:00:30 (EDT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: When is the curtain really going to rise?
Message:
Okay Patman . Love Club. Sounds good. I'm basically a (substance-free) hippy anyway.

See you later (going outa town for a week).

love Katie Darling

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 04:58:14 (EDT)
From: David Whitla
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Credible and consistent as ever Pat C
Message:
'I can't spend the rest of my life denigrating Rev Rawat.'

immediately followed by...

'He is after all such a very ordinary man.'

And you wonder why people don't take you seriously...

The Vietnam war? Kent State?

What sad State are you in?

David

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 05:26:11 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: pdconlon@yahoo.com
To: David Whitla
Subject: Holy kangaroo!
Message:
Welcome David. Don't pick a fight with me please. This is the new Love Club where we respect each other and revere life.

So - we can argue like civilized people about why you don't see Rev Rawat as a ordinary man and I do - but the other stuff - no I won't argue with you about that because all that stuff is about a world that does not revere life.

You deliberately put a twist on what I said. You know as well as I do what I was getting at unless you are much younger than me and did not live through being put in jail for protesting such horror when the world was obviously an eden.

All of the problems that you and I have had in the past need to be put behind us. I am so grateful to you for posting under your real name. I feel so proud of you and hope that we can let bygones be bygones. Life is too short for me to have hang-ups. Shake?

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 06:31:48 (EDT)
From: DW
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Holy jumping kangaroos!
Message:
You got me in with your charm again. ahhhhhrrrr!

I just can't win.

Yea, Vietnam and Kent State Royally sucked and horrified but I have to admit I was selfishly gobbling up lsd and smoking endless chillums at the time.

stay well P,
David

P.S. Is it alright if I keep posting on FV and AG as MK? I think it would save confusion that's all.

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 13:32:58 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: DW
Subject: Hi, DavidW
Message:
Everybody needs at least one alter-ego (such as my inner bitch Thelma)as long as you don't get too Edna Everidge for me (as I told Cat.) Now, as a Brit, please tell me straight out what you think of Barry Humphries - unless you think you might be lynched in Oz.
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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 00:01:34 (EDT)
From: David W
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: The grand Dame?
Message:
Interesting question Pat. During the 80's I and most of this country thought Dame Edna was the funniest thing around and we beamed with pride when she took on Holywood and got a TV show in London, we thought she could do no wrong. I frantically taped all her Saturday evening shows for years. That was the catch because looking back now one can see they were actually very often quite awful with lots of tension between her and the guests and many repeated lines by her dameship. Her movie was also a mistake and captured the cliche rather than the spontaneity. Frankly she ran completely out of steam mid eighties but most of us, too blinded by our devotion failed to noti...hang on! This is beginning to sound like someone el..
oh NO Patrick! you've got me all bent and twisted out of shape, I'm beginning to sound like I've seen the light at the end of the darshan tunnel NO NO!!!! help holybreathholynaneholynameholymaneholyname

Ahh, safe at last. Boy that was close, you cunning fox drawing me out like that! geez, the things you crafty exes will do to add to the fold.
But yes, it's temendously invigorating dressing up and assuming a completely 'different' character, which is, in fact, merely another previously untapped part of our own multi faceted personality. I imagine Thelma and the Dame would get on famously!

Anyway, Barry Humphries still enjoys huge adulation here for his varied talents. My favorite is his other character Sir Les Paterson, this vile dribbling spitting burping farting political slob who gives crudity and abuse a whole new horizon - marvellous stuff!

I miss FV and the colours, the format, the type the spacing, everything. Hotboards seems like a cheap copy. Hope I get used to it. Sir Dave and JHB sound like an exclellent combo.
David

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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 01:59:49 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: David W
Subject: Now, listen, Possum
Message:
Well, you chameleon you, as much as I feel I could really get to enjoy you, I have to say goodbye. I mean I took a fancy to you right from the start when you made your appearance in Marolyn drag and even Selena has a certain flair. What rubbed me the wrong way is that I sensed someone whom I could quite enjoy but was frustrated because all I could see was the hand-puppet.

You say you are a writer. Well, me too. I decided to be one when I was fourteen and faced with a choice between being a pianist or a poet. I picked the latter because a pencil is cheaper and more portable than a piano.

Yes, Sir Les Paterson suits Hamphries' rather nasty subconscious mind muchbetter than the Dame's but she is definitely not as good as South Africa's Evita Bezuidenhout/Pieter Dirkie Uys. But unfortunately he does half his schtick in Afrikaans.

Feel free to email me if you get bored here while I am away.

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 09:16:28 (EDT)
From: MrT
Email: None
To: DW
Subject: is something special ... ?
Message:
They's not your initials. They's the lady friend of the wicked K called marolyn kintyre. Heh, boy, what you thinking? She too fit for you! Whassup with yous own handle anyways?
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 05:16:55 (EDT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: David Whitla
Subject: It's useless CW
Message:

USELESS!


[ Useless! ]
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 05:31:54 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Morning, John. I'm off to bed.
Message:
Tomorrow is Friday for me and I'm tempted to stay up late but...

Have a wonderful sabbath day. Did you get my email? It bounced back yesterday. Welcome to the Love Club, you old Quaker.

Pat, the old fogey armchair yogi.

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 10:38:03 (EDT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: sunday's always on my mind
Message:
Morning Pat,

They were taking the email server at work down on Friday, I'll check my home mail, though I'll have to reboot into Linux to do that. Things have been settling down OK, with one or two after-shocks. Oh! and someone using the handle MK has shown up on Forum V wanting to pick a fight with Deborah. Extensive casualties as a result of narcolepsy, I'm afraid.

Damned silly arse should should have tried something new.

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 17:43:22 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Re: sunday's always on my mind
Message:
Hi JohnT, don't know how many MK's but that one is definitely a loose cannon. Thanks for your support. How do you like the new forum?
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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 04:48:12 (EDT)
From: JohnT
Email: jtucker@charitynet.org
To: Deborah
Subject: tell me why I don't like mondays
Message:
HI Debs,

It's been a pleasure to meet you. I admire your passionate rationality. Not everyone feels the same way, and for me it is highly refreshing to meet up with a person who seems to feel as I do when confronted with duplicity and deception. Hey, I know it's just part of being human, and I'm certainly no Mr Spock, but all the same...

At least one of the persons using the handle 'MK' is ahem, unwell. I strongly feel that anonymice who shape change and shift identities (maybe expropriating existing handles) to sow confusion and discord are merely mirages attempting to use our good will against us. Such shapeshifting reptillians should be treated according to their own lights unless and until they evolve into sincere and rational beings. They crave attention for their delusory reality in order to sustain it. Best to ignore them, or treat them as maya.

My work email address is above. This is John Tucker signing off from work on Monday morning (sigh!), Kent, England.

May the sun long shine on you.


JohnT
- never a premie


PS How's Silvia? Don't the terrible triplets have some unfinished business? Heh!
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:45:55 (EDT)
From: Mr D
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Selene
Subject: Your wish is my command [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 22:33:10 (EDT)
From: SF
Email: None
To: Mr D
Subject: Re: Your wish is my command
Message:
Thanks Mr. D
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:21:08 (BST)
From: MrT
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Sat'-Gossip Forum
Message:
Kewl intro on that Sat'-Gossip Forum, heh.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:23:07 (BST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: MrT
Subject: yup Louella covered the bases
Message:
Hey why is my name on your forum???????
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:28:29 (BST)
From: MrT
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Re: yup Louella covered the bases
Message:
You saying I have a forum? Cool! You like TV?
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:31:46 (BST)
From: SF
Email: None
To: MrT
Subject: I'm so confused
Message:
You are someone else I think now.
If it wasn't 104 and miserable outside I'd get a life. TV hmm..
could watch a crappy Sat. matinee and sit in front of the fan and eat chocolates.
I'll be lumbering out sometime around the end of October. Til then you may be stuck with me.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:44:10 (BST)
From: MrT
Email: None
To: SF
Subject: Is it cos you keeps changing your name?
Message:
I'm MrsT's husband, John. Whassup, 'cept for what you just said?
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 21:00:42 (BST)
From: SF
Email: None
To: MrT
Subject: oh got it!
Message:
SF emerged on her own. Something about parachutes.
I just looked at all the channels (don'thave cable) and found only one that wasn't golf or some boring tennis thing (sorry to what's her face) and it's a cheesy movie on the Warner Bros.
I forgot to get my SmartCard validated.
Other than that nothing is happening, i refuse to go out anywhere until dark.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 21:34:50 (BST)
From: MrT
Email: None
To: SF
Subject: You's a vampire?
Message:
I forgot to get my SmartCard validated.
Other than that nothing is happening, i refuse to go out anywhere until dark.

do vampires need parachutes? I got me some skunk, heh! Class A ganja. Ras!

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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 21:50:21 (BST)
From: SF
Email: None
To: MrT
Subject: not only that but
Message:
This cheese movie, is called Prime Cut
with Lee Marvin, Sissy Spacek, is so bad it great!!

commercials over.

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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:29:43 (BST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: And the black eye peas
Message:
You can turn on the eye peas so everyone can see them and hack your computer while you're on-line. So glad Sir Dave is so laid back. Now Louella on the other hand might still turn into a fascist.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:46:09 (BST)
From: SF
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: it won't stop the creeps
Message:
They know how to wear masks, and most likely need to because they are ugly and can't communicate, or in other cases have been burnt bad.
I sympathize with the latter but the others can fuck themselves. am sick of them being protected but I do think posting someone's home address and phone is waaaay much. OK who cares anyway I should give it up for lent.
Can't believe I read that about the I-Beam. I had a friend who I visited every chance I got and we always went there. And a few other places that had great live music, weird stuff, new music. Here it's all blues and country AND western.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:00:07 (BST)
From: OR
Email: None
To: SF
Subject: they may be space aliens
Message:
Who are your neighbors?
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 19:54:38 (BST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls
Message:
When Sir Dave offered to host F6, I was thrilled and offered help and money (the money offer still stands and many others have said the same) but I had to withdraw my offer of help as I saw that he didn't need any because he intends to do as little as possible in true libertarian fashion and which I applaud. He definitely has my moral support but does not need me interfering in his business. Mostly I want to avoid any semblance of ''synchronization'' or officialdom. But Dave knows that I support him wholeheartedly in his approach to F6.

Why was I thrilled? Because I had been visiting AG and LG and seen that there could be an open unauthoritarian environment for a forum. If EPO stepped in and attempted to influence AG as it did FV saucy, Ophelia, Heidi and all those grinning heads would cry foul! If EV attempted to step in and control LG I think Chris and Carlos would protest but all the premie anonymice would disappear suddenly.

But something else has happened at LG: exes and premies are talking. This made me feel very excited at first as I thought that it may the beginning of the ''Love Club'' under the benign guidance of Sir Dave and Chris. Today I received a chilling reply to a post that I made to one of the premie anonymice which suddenly made me realize that Jim really does need a break if he has been doing this for 6 years. I've only been doing it for a couple of months and already I'm feeling hopeless.

Expremies are supposed to be the Hate Club yet I've met most of you personally if only briefly and know you fairly well. Some of us have even lived our lives out here for everyone to see. Most of you post under your own names and those who don't have told me who they are by email. Jim even posted his address and phone number. Put my name in a search engine and you can find out were I spend 14 hours a day. We love, trust and respect each other. I also trust most of my fellow human beings not to be crooks. I know I'm optimistic but truly evil people are few and far between. Most human beings are perfectly decent, not perfect but definitely decent.

Contrast this with the premies who post here and over on AG and LG. Except for Chris Dickey and Carlos Harden, they are all anonymous. Only Chris and Carlos have had the courtesy to email me. No one even posts their email addresses. Most of us do. What are these anonymous premies (including the brave CG - hah) afraid of? What are they ashamed of? Who or what are they hiding from? Why are they so paranoid?

Katie and Bill and a number of others have called for a moratorium on premie baiting. I am beginning to agree. I feel as if I am dealing with some deeply disturbed human beings. Some people (including Saint Jim) tried over and over to save scorpions and were bitten again and again. I'm not a saint and tend to stomp on anything that bites me. But I am beginning to see that their bites are impotent and urge everyone (especially Deborah) not to treat premies as enemies but as frightened, wounded and lost souls almost crippled and unable to stand on their own two feet and so desperate and lacking in optimism that they have to cling to a Master.

I know it's awfully hard work to try to imagine who the human being is behind the anoymous cyber stocking over their face and to sympathise but please try. Yeah right, which is why I am definitely not going to walk down the road Jim walked. I don't have the patience. Sorry premie anonymice you're playing a silly hide and seek game of delusion and you will always be treated as illusions.

The post that got me thinking such pessimistic thoughts about anonymous premies today said something about ''that feeling'' and didn't I remember it. Well that premie picked on the wrong ex. I know 25 of the exes here and I think they will all tell you that I know all about ''that feeling'' and so do they and so do most people in the world which is why I trust most people. That feeling is the feeling of being glad to be alive and wanting to use that feeling to add more love and joy to this world not take away from it by posting paranoid, smarmy, creepy little digs at exes.

Apart from the 12 premies whom I count among my closest friends, the only two premies for whom I have the time of day on line are Chris and Carlos. The anonymous spiders are fair game and I am hoping that the FAs of F6 will not hesitate to publish everything that they know about these anonymice. With F6 being separate from EPO there will no longer be any conflict of interest leading to silencing and banning dissent. Those of us who are not anonymous need be to be able to use everything on the net at our disposal to find out who is maligning us.

By the way, if you think the premie forum. Lifes Great, is the Love Club, take another look and see how the nasty little biting spiders sting. No it's not the exes Hate Club vs the premies Love Club. It is more like the Sane, Out and Proud Club vs the Paranoid and Ashamed Club of anonymous premies. So let's be as kind as we can. If I find that I don't have the patience, I'll retire for good. But I do not have any sympathy for avowed disrupters posting anonymous and annoying rubbish.

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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 02:50:31 (EDT)
From: michael donner
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls
Message:
hi pat c i couldn't agree more with all that you have said here including going easy on baiting and judging and shouting...also your call for real names for all.
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 18:44:15 (EDT)
From: David Andersen
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls
Message:
Hi, PatC
---
--
I've been a longtime observer of all the forums, and you have inspired me to post to you as me. I truly appreciate your point of view, and your complex personality, and your honesty. We definitely disagree about Mr. Rawat, but that in no way diminshes my ability to be attracted to you and your words
---
-and to be disgusted by the words and attitudes of ANYONE, premie or ex, who foments hatred. This is not a war; the battle is inside every human being. We share a common history, even if we differ wildly over the remembrance and interpretation of it. I will honor and support your right to feel how you feel and say what you say; I ask that you return the favor, and be as open as you can to the possibility that my life w/ K and M has as much validity as yours.

Your statement below deeply disappoints me:
'But I am beginning to see that their bites are impotent and urge everyone (especially Deborah)not to treat premies as enemies but as frightened, wounded and lost souls almost crippled and unable to stand on their own two feet and so desperate and lacking in optimism that they have to cling to a Master.'

Come on, Pat. I take umbrage at this kind of judgement. Replace the word premies with the phrase ex-premies and check out how you'd take it if I said this about you. You have literally no idea what my internal experience is, and it shows tremendous disrespect for you to speculate on it in this fashion. I appreciate not being perceived as your enemy(which I am not,)but am hurt by being percieved as weak, desperate, crippled, unable to stand on my own two feet, etc. etc.
I'm a great friend, a great dad, a successful musician and craftsman, and a generally happy, solid guy. I have both a master/student and a personal relationship with M, and love them both. I'm not rich, I wasn't ever a honcho; I've never paid for a seat at an event in my life; have always been treated with respect and affection by Maharaji and his family, all of whom are friends of mine, and are lovely,solid intelligent, deep human beings. I am who I am, and love my life. I love Knowledge, as you've said you do. So much of what I've read on the EPO site is offensive to me, and directly contradicts my own personal experience, so please understand that when I say something to you, it's coming from my own life, and not some fear-based concept, or programmed response. Thanks for listening. If you sent me a picture, I bet I'd recognize your face.......Thanks for listening. DA

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 23:34:07 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: David Andersen
Subject: Welcome David A.
Message:
Welcome David and thanks for posting with your real name. In fact, your name caught my eye because of the wonderful music you have performed over the years. I am curious why you have been lurking (reading and not posting) for so long if you are satisfied with M&K. I also lurked here for quite some time and told myself it was National Enquirer type fascination or Premie Pornography. I was drawn to discussions on the forums because, even though I had quit practicing K several years before, there were still many unresolved issues. For myself, just writing about my experiences has been extremely rewarding.

Richard

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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 00:38:11 (EDT)
From: David Andersen
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: Welcome David A.
Message:
Hi Richard
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--thanks for the compliment; playing music at events has been my pleasure for a long time.

Great question. I have been observing here (lurking is kinda perjorative) for a while, and have been confronted and propelled into some amazing experiences by what I've read. It has confirmed the fact for me that my passion for Knowledge, and my love for Mr. Rawat, is simple, and true for me, and not based on a bunch of Hindu concepts, not based on other peoples' ideas. I have had the chance to spend quite a bit of time with M over the past 15 years, in many different private and public situations, and my perceptions of him,and his behavior, via my direct experience, are a radical departure from most of what has been said here. My reactions when I first started to come here were extremely emotional
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-like someone had attacked a family member, a child
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and then, gradually, I started to see that the attackers were people just like me, and that the seed of everything nasty I saw and judged in other people was in me as well. And the blame and anger and warlike stance kinda faded. My brother wrote an article for the New Yorker, which was never published (regretfully, IMO) that very intelligently and creatively looked at M and EV, and the EPO, and attempted to suss whether M and EV were, in fact, a cult or not. His opinion was no; his further opinion was that many of the posters on the EPO site had psychological issues that prevented them from letting go of old hurts and moving on.

There have been a ton of mistakes made by people who thought they were serving M by treating other people like shit; there have been a ton of spiritual concepts jettisoned in 30 years; M, above all, is a human being, and to somehow freeze him in the space he was when he was 15, or 20, like a bug in amber, denies him his essential humanity: the right to grow, and change, and fail, and succeed.
Should he apologize to people for the pain they experienced? Maybe. That's up to him. Would I apologize to people, if I was in his position, for my own growth and change? I just don't know.
But the fact that he does or does not does not alter my love or respect for him. I've been around a lot of addicts and alcoholics in my life, and Maharaji is neither. He's a great dad. He's an incredibly funny and kind man. He treats those who serve him personally with tremendous respect. What can I tell you? This is my direct personal experience, based on last month, not 20 years ago.

I loved M before I knew him personally, and I love him now. I absolutely support your right to see things a completely different way, and do not see you as flawed for doing so. I would hope you would extend me the same courtesy. That's the crux, actually, of why the forum is ultimately exes' own worst enemy: the denial of an essential, bedrock validity to the lives of the people who practice K and love M.

People aren't stupid. They eventually feel who's coming from where, and make their own informed decisions.

I think you'll start to see a much richer dialogue now between exes and premies, and many more sites put up by pwks with their own story to tell, completely independent of EV. And I say bring it fucking on.

Richard: why did you stop practicing K? Did you ever feel joy when practicing? Did you ever feel love, real love, for M? Truly curious.

Talk to you soon
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DA

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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 11:09:59 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: David Andersen
Subject: Re: Welcome David A.
Message:
David,

You asked Richard: why did you stop practicing K? Did you ever feel joy when practicing? Did you ever feel love, real love, for M? Truly curious.

Good questions that I don't recall being asked of me on the forum before. I received K in 1972, went Montrose Guru Puja and India Hans Jayanti that year. Moved into the ashram in Tallahassee in 1973 and was brought to Denver that year to design collateral for Millenium 73 in Houston. (BTW: below you commented to Salam that when GMJ saw the propane blue flame throne he shit. Actually, according to Bob Mishler, He reached for the bottle and got hammered. But I digress.) I helped designed the pubs (Divine Times, Aind It Is Divine and Élan Vital) until 1979. Did lots of service both direct and indirect in Miami. I stopped practicing K in about 1986 after practicing daily since 1972. During a K review in Greenleaf, FL. review M said essentially 'You know, you don't have to practice K.' He probably meant it as a cute remark but it shot through me like a spear in my solar plexus. It occurred to me that I had been practing K religiously and not really enjoying it or the programs with M. I had been doing quite a lot of personal growth work and cathartic psychological / physical work that resulted in me having more aliveness and self confidence. At that point, M's clever remark seemed arrogant at best and he inadvertantly deprogrammed me on the spot. I was ready for a reason to reclaim my life and the truth struck home. I quit practicing K within a week and stopped for 7 years.

Flash forward to a K review in Vancouver, BC in about 1993. Curiosity drew me to that event and I found the energy at the event quite calm and I enjoyed seeing K in a new light w/o all the old baggage. The whole Master thing bothered me but still I practiced for a bit but never really got back into it. I went to Long Beach a few times and enjoyed seeing old friends and emersing myself in the nostalgia of a community I once loved. But quite frankly, I had a very difficult time with M's display of arrogance and the obvious worship that went on. I thought those days had past. M said that was all in the past but every video, every song, every trinket in the Divine Mall and especially the way M presented himself screamed 'Be Devoted To Me.' So I realized that M&K were no longer a path/experience/whatever that I wanted to follow.

Yes I felt joy when practicing K. Yes I felt deep, surrendered love for M and for Prem Pal Singh Rawat for that matter. Once I woke up to the reality that the source of love and pain was within me and that M was primarily interested in self aggrandizement and self enrichment, it was time to move on and 'enjoy my life'. I am not embittered or feel that I was ripped off. I took my devotion to GMJ seriously and benefitted as far as it went. I grew up.

That's the crux, actually, of why the forum is ultimately exes' own worst enemy: the denial of an essential, bedrock validity to the lives of the people who practice K and love M.
Well that is certainly a glib pronouncement considering you are one of only a small handfull of premies to even tell their story and maybe one of two to use their real name. Erika (your sister?) was the other if memory serves me well. A richer dialogue would be welcome for me as well since my primary purpose on the forums has been to discover more about how I came to believe in M&K and why he continues to foster dependence and devotion among his followers.

One last comment David. You describe a relationship with M and his family that many PWK's would die for. I know I would have when my world revolved around M's every syllabel. But you must realize that you are quite unique in that experience and, for whatever M's reasons, he has chosen to only show you his genteel side.

Richard

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 23:18:30 (EDT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: David Andersen
Subject: onymous premie trolls
Message:
David,

how's the music hangin'? are you my old sleeping bag millenial mate from LA, bass section of Divine Choir, Peace Plant, one of da phlegmie white soul bros?

Peace and lentils,

da lil' swami

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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 00:42:48 (EDT)
From: David Andersen
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: Re: onymous premie trolls
Message:
You bet your lily white lil' ass, homeboy. Millenium
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what a trip and a half.....the big blue flame chair. What the FUCK were they thinking about? I bet Maharaji SHIT when he saw that thing....
Who are you? My memory is certainly geezified, by age and THC
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but give me a forking hint.

xoxoxoxDA

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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 13:14:35 (EDT)
From: michael donner
Email: None
To: David Andersen
Subject: Re: onymous premie trolls
Message:
hi david...you asked 'what were they thinking' when they created that blue flame chair and that m probably shit when he saw it. are you kidding me...m knew about the chair..he was in control then as he is now on all the details of how he is/was presented to the public. it has never been a case of 'what were they thinking' the question is what was he thinking...what is he thinking now.
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 20:14:05 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: David Andersen
Subject: A few questions about your above post
Message:
Hi David Anderson,

Gee, your name is familiar but I just can't place it right now.

I'd like to confirm that PatC was in fact talking about fearful premie trolls, however, I don't agree with the adjectives regarding premies in general because current premies are willingly and happily and ambitiously with Maharaji. Some of the ones, here, well tell me what you think about their statements.

Since you admitted that you have been reading through the pages I would like to ask you to respond the specifics about the allegations against M & K, not your feelings. Because of course, many many premies including myself were exceptionally happy as a premie. I was happy as a premie who faded away and eventually found myself not knowing any of my premie pals or having seen PremPal.

What pisses me off, and I speak for myself, is the extent of the scandulous behaviour involved with M over the years as well as the fact that he purports to allocate this Knowledge. He's apparnetly not the MASTER of his own life let alone anyone elses.

Questions for you,

Do you think the PAM's are lying about the X-rating?

Do you think PAM's are lying about other incidents?

Do you think M took sexual advantage of premie women?

Do you think M is using the multi-millions for the benefit of humanity or just him and his financially spoiled family?

Do you believe that M is and/or always has been the Perfect Master, if yes, what does that mean? If no, what does this mean for you?

If you didn't believe any of the stories and still don't, then how do you think you'd feel if you believed them?

Because of the sicko incident that has recently occurred some people are under the impression that I am against premies. Just to let you know, that's a ludicruous remark. I came to this sight accidently while searching for premies and I still want to connect with past friends whether or not they are around M & K. Some of exes have proven to have some pretty sick behaviour themselves, disguising themselves as premies so they could rant like lunatics after one of the premies posed a phyical threatening post.

So please don't take that comment personally.

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 21:08:45 (EDT)
From: David Andersen
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Re: A few questions about your above post
Message:
Hi Deborah
---
--Thank you for your respectful post; here are some replies.

Do you think the PAM's are lying about the X-rating?
--I have no idea; I wasn't there then; I have spent quite a bit of time with Maharaji in the last 15 years, and I've never experienced anything like it. No one has ever talked to me about it, M included, or any of his family, or any 'honcho' types.

Do you think PAM's are lying about other incidents?
--I have no idea; I do feel that both Dettmers and Donner, who I knew superficially, have certain axes to grind, and certain skeletons to hide, but I don't know either of them well enough to determine whether they are telling the truth. If they were, I'd be deeply concerned about M, because he's a person I love, as a man and a teacher, and I'd want to help and support him to face any psychological challenges he might have. Which brings me to an important truth, for me: Knowledge does NOT solve one's psychological problems; it's a different world, and a different realm.

Do you think M took sexual advantage of premie women?
--I don't know. As far as I know, no one has come forward with first-person details, so at this point, to me, it's hearsay. What a man or a woman chooses to do in the context of their own private lives is none of my concern. My ideas of what a Master 'should' act like have long ago been put aside, and I have an active distaste for the 'church-ladies,' premie or ex, who moralize on these forums.

Do you think M is using the multi-millions for the benefit of humanity or
just him and his financially spoiled family?

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This is a loaded question, and shows your bias. How do you know his family is 'financially spoiled?' How Maharaji, or anyone else, chooses to spend his/her money is, again, their business, and not mine. I know for a fact that one of the key ex issues, the speculation that M has become rich off donations by PWKs, is untrue, and under the legal parameters that have been in place for at least 20 years, impossible. Many people, including me, have given personal gifts of money to M over the years, and many people have given him pieces of their businesses, which have turned out to have great value. I have been 'active' for 28 years, and have NEVER, and I use that word consciously, been hustled for money, or made to feel inadequate for not funding a project or donating to EV regularly.

Do you believe that M is and/or always has been the Perfect Master, if yes,
what does that mean? If no, what does this mean for you?
--great question. I have always felt intense love for Maharaji, ad always felt that he was my teacher
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& master, in the craft sense: one who has mastered his chosen realm, that of revealing and communicating about Knowledge. In the early days, I thought he was 'the Superior Power in person.' Eventually(late 70's, early 80's) I realized I had no basis for that belief based on my own experience, and that I had 'bought' the concepts of others. I have no idea 'who Maharaji is,'
in terms of Lord or Savior or Divine Being. I know this: I love him; I've had peak experiences in his presence, feelings of tremendous beauty and joy; I've had a lot of wacky ideas about him that have melted away over the years; I was afraid of him until those ideas melted away, and now I'm not. It's my opinion that he has a special relationship to Knowledge and the techniques of access
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and that I'm inspired and motivated when I hear him speak, and am with him.
I know he's intelligent, and kind
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I've never seen him treat another human being with anything except respect and affection, even when he's teasing them sharply
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and hilariously funny, and has a passionate love for his students. So, yes, he's my master.

If you didn't believe any of the stories and still don't, then how do you
think you'd feel if you believed them?
I'd probably feel a bunch of different things
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mainly concern for someone I love; I'd want to help him in any way I could to get help for his problems.

Hope this helps.....DA

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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 14:14:43 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: David Andersen
Subject: Your response was candid and dignified
Message:
David, now that someone mentioned you were a musician, I think I have you placed. Miami? You played on stage for M? Friends with Fuzzbee? Lothar and Ricardo? I also lived in Miami, on Alton Rd around the corner from M. We've attended many of the same parties.

My roommate Lynne, and down the street neigbour, Bill, coordinated a yacht party that cruised the biscayne bay and passed M's house. It was a full moon in Pisces and the theme was to dress in blue and green.

Anyhow back to my questions and your responses.

In regards to the question:
Do you think the PAM's are lying about the X-rating?

I respected your answer that you just didn't know. Having spent many years in close proximity to him, your response carries weight. However, seeing M and the family and living with them or coordinating their private affairs are different. Perhaps the MD's could clarify this for us. Let's move on.

in response to:
Do you think PAM's are lying about other incidents?
Again, you responded honestly that you didn't know. But you don't need to justify Knowledge not solving psychological problems because I NEVER assumed that. Remember I WAS a premie too. I lived in Miami where every bongo, transient and gopie (like me) co-existed. What a melting pot that place was for premies. Yeesh!

in response to:
Do you think M took sexual advantage of premie women? You answered as if we were talking about Clinton. I don't put M in the same category of regular folk because of his Perfect Master influence. Premies took vows, littered their homes with pictures of him (with no other art to speak of) Premie women were and are perhaps still are devotees. Unlike Monica Lewinsky (chilling similarity in name to a particular premie), they had no other motivation than to serve him. This breaks my heart. M was apparently messing around in the early 80's, and I remember how premie felt about M.

in response to:
Do you think M is using the multi-millions for the benefit of humanity or just him and his financially spoiled family?
You're right, my bias was showing. Of course, how normal spend their money is none of my business and I don;t make it my business. I don't worry how Bill Gates spends his money, but M's prosperity came off the backs of thousands of premies. But I know/knew premies who supported him $$$$$ generously. He didn't arrive in the West with too many rupies. The businesses that he owns now may be supportive but how his fortune was amassed cannot be denied. I do agree, that EV did not hussle every one for money and that you would have not been made to feel bad. I willingly supported M myself. I threw parties and charged premies to come and any proceeds left over went to him. I was rewarded with a front row seat (dead centre) for the chump change left over from the boat party. ($300ish).

in response to:
Do you believe that M is and/or always has been the Perfect Master, if yes, what does that mean? If no, what does this mean for you?
Again you responded honestly on a lot of levels. You say It's my opinion that he has a special relationship to Knowledge and the techniques of access--Thank you for your genuine admission.

Your rationality is a very admirable quality. Hopefully the prem-trolls can learn something from you.

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 19:06:43 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: David Andersen
Subject: I was talking about anonymous premie trolls
Message:
who are ashamed to use their own names or enter into into discussions on anything more than a sniper level. I certainly did not mean you or any other decent person. My apologies for offending you. Anyway, I am retiring.
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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 00:32:28 (EDT)
From: David W
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Splendid post
Message:
I much enjoyed your answers and am continually amazed at the similarity of expression amongst us pwk, if you hadn't signed your post I could have put it down to about four different pwks who post to these forums and only a word or two would be different between them. I'd be quite interested to see what Ms Rose comes back with now, if anything. I fear you'll draw a blank because the only honest reply to your post is 'yes, you're absolutely right!'
Tell me D, what was your alias up until now? In any event, there suddenly seems to be a plethora of David's on the scene!
cheers, yet another
David
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 13:02:31 (BST)
From: Catweasel
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls
Message:
You are overreacting Pat. Read it again. I specifically mentioned when you are in his presence. Now you may think I was referring to everyday cheerfulness. I wasn't. Read it again. Then let's let it rest.
You talk like you have enemies chasing you around cyberspace. You dont . I do. But to me they are just experiencing some turbulence.
The problem seems to me that there is too much spleen involved. It's negative and serves absolutely no purpose.
To me it's like this. There is an open door. You want to go in;go in. You want to stay out, stay out.
There is a strange assumption that everyone who posts anonymously is a spaced out drugged up loser living on welfare. In my case, nothing could be further from the truth. Because I post doesn't give you an instant right to full knowledge of my geaneology, my income bracket and my rank and file in any organisation ;EV included. Mel is right. If you just relax about the medium some people will tell you far more about themselves this way.
I have no truck with religiosity , or beaucracy that does not serve a useful purpose. I agree with you on that. But it is changing and quickly.There is no real need to be part of a group thing unless you actually want that. And with technology there is just less need for it. I think what Dave said is very true. I dont need to PROVE to the world that Special K has improved my life. Only myself.And the measure is whether I enjoy it. If someone wants to know about me and why I am able to enjoy my life, I MIGHT tell them if I thought they would be interested.
Now they can learn about it without coming into contact with anyone. They can receive it and still get on with their life without further contact if thats what they want.Things change.

Got any 'hot' new recipes? I like to cook

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 04:49:08 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: pdconlon@yahoo.com
To: Catweasel
Subject: Re: Forum Six - the new Love Club
Message:
Pussy, I was just watching the biography of Phyllis Diller (one of Thelma's idol's) which was introduced by Dame Edna Everidge (the Aussie femaile impersonator Barry Humphries for those yanks who don't know) and suddenly I understood Victoria Bitter. Yes, Pussy, the Aussie sense of humor is very sarcastic and I had failed to take that into account when I first tripped over one of your droppings.

I can't stand Edna or you when you get sarcastic. I'm allergic to sarcasm. It brirngs out sarcastic antibodies in me and makes feel nasty. Thelma used to be a nasty bitch. Some of my old Thelma jokes would have you chuckling in an evil way. But I saw the error of my ways many years ago. My sarcasm was bitter and cynical and did not do me any good.

I inherited you with a lot of historical baggage on FV. Let's make a fresh start. But don't ask me for recipes. You can buy my cookbook like everyone else when it comes out next year. But I will discuss darshan with you and why it stopped working for me and still seems to work for you.

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 10:57:49 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: Forum Six - the new Love Club
Message:
Oh so you dont like sarcasm Pat.I myself hardly understand it.The intersting thing about Victoria is her high sugar content. Just goes to show if you want to be bitter, it matters little about your makeup. I'm feeling a bit bastardish at the moment . Where's that succulent little Canuck Deborah? I think I want to introduce her to a bit of Poddy calf action.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:51:16 (BST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Thanks for that one, Cat
Message:
I used to not read your posts, but since we had that semi-civil exchange on Anything Goes a while back I sometimes do. That was a good one.

My two cents is I don't care so much about anonymity as I care about a little less animosity. But I have to make the move towards less animosity myself before I can accuse others of lashing out. Anonymity can be used to be more nasty to others, hiding behind the shield of anonymity, or it can be used for its polar opposite, as you pointed out -- to be more open than one could be using the total disclosure method. I take everything said on bulletin boards with a large grain of skepticism anyway.

And I always have the choice to either avoid those who are lashing out or at least, avoid responding and adding to the row.

As far as one's own experience, it is all we have to go on. The times in my life that I've had problems relying on it is when I've mixed up my own perception with what I was told by other people, including my parish priests and nuns as a child, Maharaji, instructors, other well-meaning people, other not-so-well meaning people, Tibetan Buddhist lamas, or anyone else who tried to tell me what my experience 'was,' who put labels on it that then got mixed up with my own perception. The pure experience itself, without attribution, without labels, always speaks for itself without words.

cheers, Francesca

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 19:02:44 (EDT)
From: David Andersen
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Hello Francesca
Message:
Hi Francesca
---
-I remember you from the bad(good? wacky?concept-laden?) old days at Millenium....you had a great set of pipes, mama....

How eloquent and beautiful you are here:

'As far as one's own experience, it is all we have to go on. The times in my life that I've had problems relying on it is when I've mixed up my own perception with what I was told by other people, including my parish priests and nuns as a child, Maharaji, instructors, other well-meaning people, other not-so-well meaning people, Tibetan Buddhist lamas, or anyone else who tried to tell me what my experience 'was,' who put labels on it that then got mixed up with my own perception. The pure experience itself, without attribution, without labels, always speaks for itself without words[.]'

This is the essence, for me, of a healthy life, and what I've ALWAYS perceived as the message of M. That that message has gotten blurred, mutated, and fucked with over the years, there is no doubt. That M has made mistakes, has had failures, has grown and changed over the years
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-no doubt. That egregious errors in judgement and action have been made by generally well-meaning people saddled with severe psychological problems, in the name of and the 'service' of M
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no doubt. People have been hurt, and hurt badly, and I'm deeply regretful for that, but I can't throw out the baby with the bathwater: I love K, and I love M, and I want to help him in giving other people a chance to receive the techniques of Knowledge. It's really as simple as that. You, by your posts, seem to be a good heart, a sweet woman, someone I'd enjoy knowing
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certainly not my enemy.

Good to finally 'talk' with you
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-I've been watching these forums for a long time
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-and NOT in any official capacity, I might add
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you paranoid little turkeys
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-- :--)

Take care, my dear......DA

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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 16:43:24 (EDT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: David Andersen
Subject: Re: Hello David
Message:
Hello David,

You have a great set of pipes yourself, my dear, and I enjoyed your musical adventures (as well as your sister Erica's) during my years with M & K!

I am not going to rebut some of your views of M here, because Pat Wilson said it quite eloquently above, and I agree whole heartedly with Pat's description of what was, at that time the agya and direction. One only had to listen to M's satsangs to see what the message was, up until I left in the mid-1980s. And as far as Donner's comments, he was there. M wanted our devotion, our dedication, our lives. And he got mine, for a while.

The revisionism looks a lot clearer to someone who did not get it in incremental doses. If something moves 1/4 inch a day, no one notices it too much but the person who comes by several years later and says 'whoa!' I only wish it could be laid out on the table and dealt with honestly instead of rationlizing it away. But that is not my choice to make. Kind of like M having a huge lizard's tail and the back of the coat opens up, and some people, including M, keep saying, 'tail, what tail?' His words speak for themselves. He is lucky that those awful ashram meetings in Kissimmee were never transcribed or recorded. However, even some of my friends that are still premies are quite well aware that the tune has changed over the hears.

I do believe that no matter what our differences of opinion, relying on our own experience absent seeing it as anything but the experience and/or grace of life and death itself, independent of gurus and teachers, is the common ground. The techniques of K are but one of many doors or devices to get down to pure and free experience. So we can certainly share in our enjoyment of that.

with love, Francesca :C)

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Date: Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:42:09 (EDT)
From: David A.
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Re: Hello David
Message:
Hey girl
---
--As someone else so eloquently put it, what you see as revisionist history, I see as natural human growth and change. There was a period in the early '80's where I was pretty far removed from K and M on a daily, weekly, or monthly basis
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I always felt love & respect for him, and always felt whatever the techniques of K lead you to, to some degree
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but I had a new love, who came with 2 more kids, and a new business, and was living quite a distance from the 'active community'
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and I had a chance to really question a lot of the religious ideas that were extant in me, and discard them:
Who is M? I have no fucking idea; all I know is that I feel real love for him, I'm attracted to his events and his words. Are most Hindu rituals relevant to my life, comfortable to me? No. Is M a human being? Yes. Can he grow, and change, and fail, and succeed, just like anyone else? Yup. Does a man of thirty see things differently than a kid of sixteen? No question. Can I accept M as he is, without trying to change him or withdrawing my love when he 'fucks up,' does or says something I don't agree with? Yes.

Stuff changes. I've changed radically in just the last three years.
I refuse to freeze Maharaji at age 16-18-20-22, like a bug in amber.
He's a hero to me for having the courage to change shit up.

Your lizard tail analogy is distasteful, and over the top; please be nice....we can disagree without insults, I feel sure.

OK then......See ya sometime......doin' any singin' these days? xoDA

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Date: Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 12:56:11 (EDT)
From: Francesca
Email: notinherent@yahoo.com
To: David A.
Subject: Sorry you didn't like my analogy
Message:
You have to understand that I don't approve of Maharaji at all, and sometimes what I say about him is going to be repugnant to you, so I'll try and tone it down the best I can, within reason. And I'm glad you could just come out and say it to me straight.

And I'm glad that you acknowledge the revisionism. I wish that Maharaji would come clean about the whole thing. But it's the game he's played since the beginning -- having other people do the organizational work under his direction, at least from the top, lay down whatever trips there are (the video libraries and how they are shown in the communities, the teaching seminars on how to present K are current examples), and if it doesn't play in Peoria, he can say that it was those misguided DLM/DUO/EV organizational hacks.

And the premies come up with some great reasonings for why they can forgive the past, and I can certainly accept that but M has never really come forward.

I appreciate what you have expressed above, because you do acknowledge the revisionism yourself, and, being true to yourself, you accept it and feel comfortable with. All the truly damaging personal revelations about M only came to my attention way after I'd already lost respect and interest in him as a teacher. So I don't like them, but they are not, in themselves, why either I or my husband left. I have less and less friends that are premies -- either because they are not interested in being friends with people who left (the periferal friends), or because so many of them have left over the years, themselves. True friends don't need to have the same core beliefs to get along with each other and cultivate a friendship.

But you must admit it was not just 'Hindu rituals' that the past was about. I won't repeat what we've already gone over, but M has never acknowledged the heavy, surrender your life, devotional message he had in the past, nor apologized for what he did to people who suffered because of that. I suppose those people have left anyway, and the new ones might get scared off.

M says K is not a religion or a church, and yet EV has maintained an IRS tax exemption as a church since the 70s, and represents itself to the State of Colorado in their corporate papers as an organization with a religious mission. They have amended the papers over the years, but never has the religious mission been removed from it. If EV did, it would lose that particular type of tax-exempt status. (All incorporations in other US states piggyback off the Colorado filings.)

I moved on quite a long time ago, so I don't have any fresh wounds, but I don't approve of him, or the way he operates. And if you like him, that's OK too. So does one of our closest friends, and we don't harangue each other about it, because there's no use. He at least considers himself a free spirit and doesn't have much to do with the local community.

As far as music, I took a sabbatical, but started up again, mostly guitar songs, dusting off the piano and playing it a little bit. (It was covered with stuffed animals and greeting cards :) I don't take the accordions out too much yet. No MP3s, maybe eventually. What about you?

love, Francesca

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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 06:38:22 (EDT)
From: DA
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Re: Sorry you didn't like my analogy
Message:
Hey, girl
---
saying I acknowledge revisionism is a twist on what I actually said, which, sadly, goes on a lot of the time here. I said what YOU perceive as revisionist history, I perceive as natural and human and organic growth and change. Just to dot the I's and cross the T's.

I have to go to sleep now. The EV people have just given me a shot of something really strong. What are these restraints for? I'm OK, really, please.....no....no.....

Kind of silly....forgive my moment of irony, but you get the point; I'm always speaking for myself here, no one else, and not from fear.
An unexamined life is boring as a motherfucker.

But I do have to go to sleep......xoDA

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Date: Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 16:22:13 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Francesca (OT)
Message:
When you mentioned accordians I flashed on a now disbanded group of NW feisty women called Ranch Romance. Sort of rocky swingy cowpokey music with outrageous accordian riffs. If you are interested I could make you a CD.

Great post by the way.

Richard who loves to be called Postie by Frannie

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Date: Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 17:50:26 (EDT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Richard aka postie (OT)
Message:
Sounds great! There was another wierd group of Accordion women called Das Furlines. They were friends of my sister's ex-boyfriend in NY City. I think they played polka punk looking like trashy women.

It was a style thing. Ranch Romance actually played real music -- they even used to come here but I never saw them. I'll let ya know.

love, Francesca

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 20:15:56 (EDT)
From: Jim Sander
Email: None
To: David Andersen
Subject: David A.,you did a mean mahatma impersonation
Message:
Hi David-

I stayed in a house with you in Miami during the summer of 1981, I believe, as I was working at DECA for awhile.
(You're the big guy with a ponytail, musician, and did a mean mahatma 'schtick', right?)

I just wanted to thank you for posting under your real name, and sensibly too.

Perhaps more premies could post in similar ways, and some real dialog might happen.

I have been greatly disappointed by maharaji's 'other side', which I have heard from too many first hand reports to not believe.
Coupled with his 'revisionist history' and other attitudes and actions I have seen him take, I find it impossible to respect or follow the man. I really don't believe a lot of what he says or does.
The thought of getting anyone else into this, I find repulsive.
And the fact that he never addresses any of this stuff in an honest and sensible way,I find very revealing.

However, I do respect you for posting honestly and with your own name.
I even found an old cassette tape with some of your songs on it, which I used to play all the time in my car.

Best wishes,
Jim Sander

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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 21:17:27 (EDT)
From: David Andersen
Email: None
To: Jim Sander
Subject: Re: David A.,you did a mean mahatma impersonation
Message:
Hi Jim
---
It was 1980, probably, because I left Miami in January '81.
thanks for your respect.

May I ask You a couplke questions?
1) did you ever feel love for M?
2) do you still practice K?
3) What, exactly, is the 'other side' you have so much distaste for?
4) what are the 'actions and attitudes' you have PERSONALLY witnessed that have caused your loss of respect?

Thanks.....DA

PS....yes, I have a good command of a fake Indian dialect. :--)

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Date: Mon, Jul 16, 2001 at 18:32:00 (EDT)
From: Jim Sander
Email: None
To: David Andersen
Subject: Re: David A.,you did a mean mahatma impersonation
Message:
Hey David-
I'll give you a reply in a day or so, under a new post.
I understand your questions, and will give you my take on it all.
Also, you can read my letters to the Chapel Hill,NC community and EV/Maharaji on the EPO site-they tell a lot about what my concerns are,why they should be addressed, and why maharaji's actions are hurting himself, his family,his work, and the lives of premies and people connected to them.

Thanks for responding.
I'll get back in a day or so.

Jim Sander

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Date: Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 04:47:20 (EDT)
From: David Andersen
Email: None
To: Jim Sander
Subject: Re: David A.,you did a mean mahatma impersonation
Message:
Hey Jim
---
-I've read all your letters, and I'm still willing to talk to you; how big of me... :--)

We do come from extremely different places, but perhaps we can learn something from each other....DA

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Date: Tues, Jul 17, 2001 at 19:48:04 (EDT)
From: Jim Sander
Email: None
To: David Andersen
Subject: Re: David A.,you did a mean mahatma impersonation
Message:
Hey Dave-thanks for letting me know about the letters that you read, as they say a lot of what I would probably start out saying to you on the forum.
The point of them is mainly about:Ethics-M's, EV's, premies etc.
I'm obviously not trying to argue 'experiences of K' here, as that is a road that leads nowhere, in my opinion.

I'll start a new post today or tomorrow-I'll answer your questions, and give you a few of my own for your consideration.

Respectfully,
Jim Sander

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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 13:21:59 (BST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Re: Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls
Message:
Of course there are grounds for anonymity. Free countries have laws that recognise the right to anonymously pampheteer, for example. I for one think the engineers working on Freenet, are doing a great job. I'm sure there's plenty of folk in China will appreciate their efforts.

What we are talking about here is the right to defend ourselves against anonymous cyberstalkers or forum disruptors, that's all. Why should we suffer such abuses when the stalkers and wreckers are so easily controlled by the threat of exposure?
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 14:27:04 (BST)
From: MrT
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Re: Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls
Message:
Of course there are grounds for anonymity. Free countries have laws that recognise the right to anonymously pampheteer, for example. I for one think the engineers working on Freenet, are doing a great job. I'm sure there's plenty of folk in China will appreciate their efforts.

What we are talking about here is the right to defend ourselves against anonymous cyberstalkers or forum disruptors, that's all. Why should we suffer such abuses when the stalkers and wreckers are so easily controlled by the threat of exposure?


---

True! And the right to use everything we know about the net, and to share it freely with the brethren and sistren to nail hate-site campaigners. Yuh hear me Mr Glasser, lawyer man?

HA!

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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 02:31:31 (BST)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: mbvictoria@hotmail.com
To: PatC
Subject: Re: Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls
Message:
Hi Pat

I see some inconsistency in your view of having total freedom of expression on the internet (which, barring threats etc, I agree with) and your dissing of 'anonymice' posters. Surely anonymous posting is also a valid expression of the freedom you promote?

Let me explain my reasons for posting anonymously.

1. There are certain people from my premie past who would like to catch up with me who I really have no wish to have contact. If I was to publish my name it would make it easy for them and may have extremely negative repurcussions for me.

2. I find anonymity gives me wider scope to explore my varying thoughts and feelings regarding Maharaji and express them on line. If I was to post under my own name I would feel extremely restricted in what I could say or explore. It's like setting up a proxy and using it to say or think things that I may not usually entertain, so I regard it a valid medium for my own growth without causing me unnecessary interference in my 'real' life.

Now you have your rather dogmatic expressed views for requiring people to demonstrate their integrity by posting in their own names and there is obviously some merit to your argument, but just because someone posts anonymously does mean that you should assume that they lack integrity or honesty.

I've been posting for quite a while on the ex forum, and believe that most people who have read my posts have seen a consistency and a reasonable picture of my character (maybe even seen some gradual changes!). Certainly I do not agree with changing aliases or posing as another poster.

So I disagree with your association of anonymity with lack of integrity argued in your post above.

Mel

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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 10:48:26 (BST)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Pat, I've read your response on AG, (nt)
Message:
No response needed here

Mel

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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 23:12:33 (BST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Link
Message:
Mel, you are not an anonymous troll
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 21:04:15 (BST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls
Message:
Thanks for the offer of money. I'll be putting online exactly how much it's costing and how much people send so they'll see the accounts.

As you may know, I meditate. Not every day but when I feel an urge to do it. Meditation is a gentle thing which can bring me a feeling of relaxation in my mind and body. My experience of it is so far removed from what premies post on LG that I realise they're onto a different trip altogether.

As we know, Hindus are known to exaggerate wildly and that is what has become of Maharaji and his 'knowledge'. Wild exaggeration of just a simple everyday occurence that anyone can practise if they want. This crazy exaggeration and attempt to build a religion out of a bit of meditation (personally I use the word ''relaxation'') has turned people into inhuman and extreme people. Just my observation.

Still experimenting with different fonts. Please bear with me. There's a few bugs on this forum which need to be sorted. The threads should move to the top when new posts are added.

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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 20:00:29 (BST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Your observations about meditation
Message:
... were succinct and absolutely brilliant. When I was deeply engrossed in the whole Holy Family thing, a friend of mine used to call a lot of the wild claims about meditation 'Hindu folklore.' At the time I thought it quite sacreligious, negative and a bit shocking, but it has stuck with me. That statement has rung true over the years -- more true than the wild claims. Put in a modern context, they are what I call 'old age.' Sort of traditionally accepted things that would be considered 'new age' in another context.


I now know a lot of 'Buddhist folklore' as well. (Many of the high level Tibetan Buddhist teachings were pretty much 'channeled' by people who saw visions that others couldn't.) The Catholics have a lot too, as I learned by a brief immersion into the deep tenets of that faith when a family member, who was a devout Catholic, passed on.


love, f

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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 21:02:27 (BST)
From: DavidJ
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Why do you think Israel/Palestine is so messed up?
Message:
Because the whole polical situation is controlled by the radical elements of both sides. The majority of people in that region want to have peace, want to work something out so they are not killing each other.

But the radicals on the Palestinian religious right as well as the Israeli religious right are committing acts of terrorism. The purpose of terrorism is not to destroy the other side, but to so polarize the situation so that there is no middle ground, so that everyone sees things in black and white, us versus them.

I couldn't find the post that you talk about, but E-mail me or I'll E-mail you. Apparently you have fallen victim to one or two extremist premies on LG, who do not represent the majority of premies there. Can we censor them without interfering with their right to free-expression? It's a tough issue. And you have and will have the same issue on the ex-premie forums. so it cuts both ways.

By the way if EV attempted to stiffle my expression at LG, I would protest.

David

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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 18:37:41 (BST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: DavidJ
Subject: Like Sir Dave, I have no respect for censorship
Message:
I have my say about anonymous trolls. They have their say and then sensible folks look at both arguments and make up their minds which one is saner. As I said to Mel on AG I do not regard him (or you, DavidJ) as TROLLS. I read all your posts because they don't waste my time. Trolls waste my time.

I don't even mind Catweasel all that much except I do sometimes wonder what he's going on about when he says he gets such a frisson when in Rev Rawat's presence. So what, Pussy. It wears off. I'm into meditation or practice or whatever you want to call it. The effort that I make there NEVER wears off.


But as JohnT said our biggest beef is that we have no redress against malicious anonymice who attack us or libel us. Actually I don't bother about that much as I have been criticised ever since I first changed my own diapers because my mom did a lousy job.

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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 14:10:06 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Do we have to call it Forum 6?
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 14:24:15 (EDT)
From: Mr D
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: Do we have to call it Forum 6?
Message:
Where do I put that.
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 22:27:24 (BST)
From: SF
Email: None
To: Mr D
Subject: Re: Do we have to call it Forum 6??
Message:
Put What? I don't think we have to call it forum 6.
Can't think of a name that would please all.
ex-premie forum
would that work ?
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 22:31:37 (BST)
From: Ms. Weasel Teets
Email: None
To: SF
Subject: Re: Do we have to call it Forum 6?
Message:
the editor works.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 12:46:32 (BST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Ms. Weasel Teets
Subject: Please answer this question all
Message:
At the moment I've got the forum configured so that a new post in any thread pushes that thread to the top. Do you want this or not?
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 18:36:42 (BST)
From: SF
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: Please answer this question all
Message:
I don't know what you mean. Let's see if I do after I post
yawn sleepy who is making coffee?
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 15:26:49 (BST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: Please answer this question all
Message:
Ok I've disabled that function now but say if you want it.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 18:47:18 (BST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Keep it as similar to FV as possible
Message:
at least at first in order to accomodate those of us who are so dumb we didn't even understand your question. Maybe I just need my second cup of morning tea.

Expremie Forum is fine or Expremie Forum Mark V1 or Expremie Forumx6?

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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 18:38:16 (BST)
From: SF
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: oh duh
Message:
Definitely need that coffee.
Guess I'll never know but it sounded strange.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 13:52:46 (BST)
From: MrT
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: Please answer this question all
Message:
So if I post here, this thread Do we have to call it Forum 6? which was second from the top (behind Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls); this thread will at the top now?

Could be confusing. Gis' them tasty new flags (like your admin one)? They's well useful.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 13:53:50 (BST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: MrT
Subject: Re: Please answer this question all
Message:
So if I post here, this thread Do we have to call it Forum 6? which was second from the top (behind Forum Six and anonymous premie trolls); this thread will at the top now?

Could be confusing. Gis' them tasty new flags (like your admin one)? They's well useful.


---

So it would seem, MrT.

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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 13:52:15 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: All
Subject: here we go
Message:
there once was a forum on EPO...
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 14:15:57 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Re: here we go
Message:
Will this move up top?
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 20:45:53 (BST)
From: Louella Parsnip
Email: Louella_parsnip@yahoo.com
To: Sir Dave
Subject: There is now also the ''Sat-Gossip'' Forum...
Message:
This new forum is great too, the more outlets for free expression the better. Both premies and exes can have any forums they like, if they exercise their free speech.

- Louella Parsnip, who has learned that ''You too can be a Forum God...''.

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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 21:00:46 (BST)
From: MrT
Email: None
To: Louella Parsnip
Subject: Yow! BABES!! That's it!
Message:
shame about (some of) the punctuation:


PAM's (spot on plural there!)

reserve's

know's

Jehovah's

Hari-Krishna's

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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 09:35:05 (BST)
From: Louella Parsnip
Email: None
To: MrT
Subject: Oopsy! Thanks...
Message:
Eye new eye spelled it rite, be cause may spelling chequer told me sew.
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 20:39:19 (BST)
From: MrT
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: here we go
Message:
Will this move up top?


---

What, if I post below?

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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 21:18:40 (BST)
From: Obergruphenfuhrer
Email: None
To: All
Subject: So, whats the rules?
Message:
IP addresses are saved and dished out to hateful EX's?
Anonymity is respectedd only if you are trashing Maharaji or if Deb likes your answer?
Flaming: Allowed? Not allowed?

Ve demandedn ze rules.

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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 21:27:38 (BST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Obergruphenfuhrer
Subject: Re: So, whats the rules??
Message:
The rules are; Only the FA has IPs and they are kept to himself. I have no interest whatsoever in ''getting at'' premies. They can post here and flaming is allowed. The only thing which isn't is spam, of course.

People must learn to make their own decisions. I am not a nanny. If they act like jackasses then other people will treat them as such. This is cyberland.

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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 22:22:56 (BST)
From: SF
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: So, whats the rules?
Message:
I just hope you are the one getting the IP's because I trust you.
The more I think about the last weeks and even the last however long it's been since FA's were 'anonymous' (to some) the more I get really pissed off people I didn't know were FAs and had access to eye peas.
We should at least know who is running things. rant rant blah blah I may be pissed about something no one else cares about so ignore this is you want same as I am ignoring the vigilant fight for Jim who I am quite sure can fight his own battles. eeesshhhhhhhhhh
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 22:29:38 (BST)
From: SF
Email: None
To: SF
Subject: or maybe it doesn't matter
Message:
I can't think! Can't decide on anything don't know what I am doing my program I'm working on is busted for no reason it worked last week.
I hate relying on other people some dork probably changed the database. am just typing so you have posts to play with really I don't care about eye peas anymore they are hard to digest.
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 22:39:29 (BST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: SF
Subject: Re: or maybe it doesn't matter
Message:
Boil them for a few minutes first in salted water.
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 21:31:45 (BST)
From: Obergruppenfuhrer
Email: deborahsucks@jimland.com
To: Sir Dave
Subject: ACH!
Message:
So benden over here und giffen me und big kiss. Like und real man, ze vay U like it....

Whatcha gonna do when Deborah comes over here with the flaming everyone about Jim business she's started up again at F5? How many is a spam? 3? 10? Is it bigger than a breadbox?

Whats a threat? Do you have to be in the same continent? Same county? Same room?

No rules...hmmm, a lot of folk (both side of the esteemed aisle) gonna put you to the test, mein little herring...

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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 21:44:11 (BST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Obergruppenfuhrer
Subject: Re: ACH!
Message:
What you have to understand is that I don't care. I really don't. Plus, I can switch policy at any time I like if I feel like it. You'll see.
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 22:25:36 (BST)
From: SF
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: ACH!
Message:
I hear you Dave. I am going to develop my own blocking software in my head :)
so how are things going? any glitches? what is this stuff written in anyway do you know. don't tell me here.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 09:22:33 (BST)
From: Mr D
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: SF
Subject: Re: ACH!
Message:
I don't know, not being a programmer. There is a glitch in that most recently added to threads should be moving up to the top but it's not happening.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 09:23:22 (BST)
From: Mr D
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Mr D
Subject: Oh! It's happening now [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:48:42 (BST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Mr D
Subject: It's happening now
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:50:41 (BST)
From: SF
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Re: It's happening now
Message:
Hey my msg. didn't post. I have seen this on AG, when there is a blank quoted message box the Your Reply box won't post.
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 00:01:50 (BST)
From: Mr D
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: SF
Subject: What I think Selene
Message:
I think you wrote your message in the wrong box. You may have written it in the Quoted Message box.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 23:59:09 (BST)
From: Mr D
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: SF
Subject: No message here [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:17:00 (EDT)
From: SF
Email: None
To: Mr D
Subject: Re: No message here
Message:
reply. I think you may be on to somevink here.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:18:02 (EDT)
From: SF
Email: None
To: SF
Subject: Re: No message here
Message:
ok you vere right.
I is thinkin I bees dumb.
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Date: Sun, Jul 15, 2001 at 00:00:03 (BST)
From: Mr D
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Mr D
Subject: My reply
Message:
This is my reply and will it appear?
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 09:08:39 (BST)
From: Gordon Showcase
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: Password protect removed
Message:
For now.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 01:01:42 (BST)
From: Simon Satsang
Email: None
To: All
Subject: You bastard hateful ex-premies
Message:
You are so full of fuckin' hate, you bastard ex-premies. You are all smelly, hateful creeps who never surrendered to the LORD OF FUCKIN' LOVE you bastards!!!

I hope you rot in Hell in your fuckin' hate club you dickless, spineless fuckin' morons. You never had that feeling because you're all shitty toads who are less than human and all you can do is hate, hate, hate you useless wastes of space.

You're all pathetic and I'm glad I'm not HATEFUL like you and know THAT love you fuckin' bastard cunts.

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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 03:46:49 (BST)
From: Hmmmm
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Simon Satsang
Subject: Re: You bastard hateful ex-premies
Message:
ljjjjjjjjjjjjjj
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 01:08:10 (BST)
From: SF
Email: None
To: Simon Satsang
Subject: and oh yeah
Message:
dont' forget you are all fucking assholes. Except me and whoever I like.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 01:09:14 (BST)
From: and
Email: None
To: SF
Subject: Re: and oh yeah
Message:
whover agrees with me or whoever agrees with whoever I like. They are ok too. otherwise, assholes all.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 03:30:40 (BST)
From: SD
Email: None
To: and
Subject: Re: and oh yeah
Message:
test.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 19:11:50 (EDT)
From: Mr D
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: SD
Subject: New time
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 14:21:43 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: All
Subject: What's this?
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 14:22:43 (EDT)
From: Mr D
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Now I know [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 13:09:06 (EDT)
From: Forum Duck
Email: None
To: All
Subject: This is a test
Message:
I wandered lonely as a cloud that floats on high o'er vales and hills, when all at once I saw a crowd, a host of golden daffodils.
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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 13:46:01 (EDT)
From: DavidJ
Email: None
To: Forum Duck
Subject: I wonder if the heads work here ;)
Message:
I wandered lonely as a cloud that floats on high o'er vales and hills, when all at once I saw a crowd, a host of golden daffodils.


---

But maybe it's not a deluxe forum?

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Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 13:40:03 (EDT)
From: Cap'n Dave
Email: None
To: Forum Duck
Subject: Re: This is a test
Message:
Not a bad font. Not bad at all. I wonder how others will like it.
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 09:24:10 (BST)
From: Mr D
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Cap'n Dave
Subject: Most recent posts move thread up top [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 09:24:56 (BST)
From: Mr D
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Mr D
Subject: Or do they?
Message:
I dunno.



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