Ex-Premie Forum 6 Archive
From: Jul 14, 2001 To: Jul 23, 2001 Page: 3 of: 5


Passing Through -:- M devotees destroy planet -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 23:40:13 (EDT)
__ MrT -:- Is David Whitla innit? -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 03:57:57 (EDT)
__ __ David Whitla -:- sorry to disappoint you -:- Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 11:21:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ MrT -:- no apologies needed -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 05:07:23 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- Sorry PT, know this for fact -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 15:17:45 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- Missed the point Deborah -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:48:44 (EDT)
__ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: You MISSED the point Deborah -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 19:00:21 (EDT)
__ Joe -:- PT is specious -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 10:25:32 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- Easy Joe -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:20:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ Joey -:- You're right PT -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 12:34:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: You're right PT -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 19:38:49 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- Nazis and Germans -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 05:37:21 (EDT)
__ __ Voyeur -:- Re: Nazis and Germans -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 11:29:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Yeah, but you take my point don't you. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 05:48:27 (EDT)
__ __ mayo -:- Lets keep the Holocaust out of this -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 07:45:16 (EDT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- What are you talking about Mayo? -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 05:51:09 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- Nazis, Germans and Anth -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:23:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Maharaji, Drug-Money, Nazis and Anth -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 05:56:05 (EDT)
__ __ __ Steve -:- Re: Nazis, Germans and Anth -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 04:45:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Drug money supports Maharaji -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 03:57:57 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Get this... -:- Textbook money supports Maharaji! -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 17:08:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: Above post is stupidity -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 19:58:36 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Urgent!! -:- Maharaji supported by kimono raffles! -:- Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 06:52:56 (EDT)
__ __ Joe -:- Re: Nazis and Germans -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 13:50:49 (EDT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Our leader. -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 17:15:16 (EDT)
__ __ NaziJew -:- Re: Nazis and Germans -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 11:42:49 (EDT)
__ __ gerry -:- Organized facism -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 10:59:08 (EDT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Re: M devotees destroy planet -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 04:05:45 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- Sir Dave to the rescue -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:25:44 (EDT)
__ Steve Mulley -:- Drug Money -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:53:38 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- Drug Money and Steve -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:28:36 (EDT)
__ __ __ Steve -:- Sorry mate you lost me there nt -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 06:11:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: Sorry mate PT is lost, forgot where he was -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 20:09:31 (EDT)
__ __ Abi -:- bleh! -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 05:57:35 (EDT)
__ __ __ Passing Through -:- Blah, blah, blah Abi -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:45:12 (EDT)
__ suchabanana -:- Did Drug deals support early m. mission?! -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:19:10 (EDT)
__ __ Passing Through -:- Re: Did Drug deals support early m. mission?! -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:29:47 (EDT)
__ __ __ Maharaj ji fathered -:- my 1/2 Alien love child! -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 15:39:26 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Passing Through -:- Attack of the killer tomatoes -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:31:10 (EDT)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- Great post, PT. Proved everyone wrong -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 04:51:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Passing Through -:- Poor post, Nigel -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:39:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Why? -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 07:50:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Hey, PT - you replied to the guy above... -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 19:20:46 (EDT)
__ bill -:- How about -m jousts with windmills-? [nt] -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 23:45:48 (EDT)

Abi -:- Dear Elan Vital -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 22:40:30 (EDT)
__ Nigel -:- Keep telling them, Abi. The world is watching.. -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 02:57:08 (EDT)
__ __ gerry -:- Censorship on Forum 5 -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 11:29:55 (EDT)
__ __ __ Abi -:- Re: Censorship on Forum 5 -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:41:25 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- Re: Censorship on Forum 5 -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 13:01:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Abi -:- Re: Censorship on Forum 5 -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 13:11:10 (EDT)
__ __ Abi -:- Thanks Nigel -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 05:52:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- Nothing to excuse (ot) -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 14:53:09 (EDT)
__ Abi -:- PS -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 23:04:25 (EDT)
__ __ Nigel -:- What a good Q: who DOES run EV? -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 14:59:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ cq -:- Re: What a good Q: who DOES run EV? -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 07:52:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ la-ex -:- Isn't it possible to find out who runs EV? nt -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 11:42:18 (EDT)
__ __ suchabanana -:- who runs EV? you-know-who! -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 23:51:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ Abi -:- posting -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:14:52 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Hey there -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:24:42 (EDT)

gerry -:- Kah-Boom Ba! -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 18:54:26 (EDT)

Francesca :C) -:- Traditional Family Property org or cult? -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 17:33:51 (EDT)
__ such -:- Oh,that's just dumb rich SS + WPC reincarnates [nt] -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 20:10:46 (EDT)

Joy -:- Hot Idea for an Enterprising Entrepreneur -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 17:15:09 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- Re: Hot Idea for an Enterprising Entrepreneur -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 21:20:05 (EDT)
__ Francesca :) -:- Hello Joy -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 17:36:46 (EDT)
__ __ Disculta -:- As the whirled turns -:- Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 17:30:15 (EDT)
__ __ Richard -:- Here's an example of how it might work -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 18:02:54 (EDT)

Announcing -:- A new ex forum for people who don't.. -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 13:46:53 (EDT)
__ Nige -:- Hey, relax, Way ...:) -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 14:02:55 (EDT)
__ __ Way -:- Re: Hey, relax, Way ...:) -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 14:30:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- Re: Hey, relax, Way ...:) -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 16:09:10 (EDT)

Silvia -:- I swear in the Holy Bible that I will -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 10:44:17 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- Fuckin BEST OF FORUM**** -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 16:14:51 (EDT)
__ __ Silvia -:- Re: Fuckin BEST OF FORUM**** -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 18:07:53 (EDT)
__ SF (selene) -:- premies will say -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 14:36:39 (EDT)
__ __ Silvia -:- Re: premies will say -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 18:34:01 (EDT)

Nigel -:- Who said premies were clones...? -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 10:02:22 (EDT)
__ bill -:- Re: Who said premies were clones...? -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 00:32:06 (EDT)

PatC -:- Without the Master you cannot come home -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 04:05:30 (EDT)
__ Silvia -:- Good post PatC! (nt) -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 23:18:04 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- Re: Without the Master -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 20:15:47 (EDT)
__ __ Deputy Dog -:- A few questions for Anth. -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 08:53:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Re: A few answers for Dep' -:- Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 06:03:18 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- PatC, way to go!.......... [nt] -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 16:21:43 (EDT)
__ Gina (Home Girl) -:- Beautiful story, Pat, & point well made [nt] -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 16:18:27 (EDT)
__ la-ex -:- Pat,a perfect example of why EPO is so good... -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 13:22:00 (EDT)
__ Way -:- Pat - a suggestion -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 12:57:48 (EDT)
__ Richard -:- Re: Without the Master you cannot come home -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 12:56:32 (EDT)
__ __ gerry -:- Re: Without the Master you cannot come home -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 21:20:53 (EDT)
__ __ __ Richard -:- Oh my - splitting hairs -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 23:46:37 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- Words mean things-no offense -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:08:12 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Reply OT -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 13:21:00 (EDT)
__ Mercedes -:- Re: Without the Master you cannot come home -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:22:33 (EDT)
__ John Keats -:- all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 04:43:37 (EDT)

Ian Dury -:- Please don't miss this -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 01:12:38 (EDT)
__ suchabanana -:- thanks.Now,next shift at LG,someone, please?! haha -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 02:14:49 (EDT)

suchabanana -:- angels: take a wing-man to LG -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 00:22:32 (EDT)
__ Gina -:- Roger that, Such, bogies @ all o'clock's! -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 19:15:43 (EDT)

David -:- This is as it is -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 19:52:17 (EDT)
__ bill -:- 'a bit'? You mean a royal lot! [nt] -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 21:44:59 (EDT)
__ PatC -:- Re: This is as it is - and it is okay -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 19:57:08 (EDT)
__ __ Nigel -:- Pat - as I see it banning a troll... -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 21:31:29 (EDT)
__ __ __ Jennifer -:- Nightmare Legacy -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 15:08:54 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- Re: Nightmare Legacy -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 15:15:18 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Francesca :C) -:- I have no children, and my dogs ... -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 15:53:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ Richard -:- True Nigel -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 13:09:47 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Jennifer -:- This Forum reminds me of the TV show 'Survivor' -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 14:47:13 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- Hi Jennifer -:- Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 15:13:24 (EDT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- you were the best FA Nige -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 22:10:48 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- You say that to all the FAs -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:08:15 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ SF -:- yes you do -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:17:30 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ gErRy -:- Gave it to Roger? Roger??? -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:28:18 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Actually, Anth was the best FA... -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:36:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SF -:- it was really more like R and R -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:31:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Funny you should say that... -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 22:51:14 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ SF -:- calling 'our' bluff -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:05:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Re: calling 'our' bluff -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:18:55 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SF -:- this email bounced nige -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:38:03 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- I am not surprised..dyslexic fingers.. -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:46:59 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SF -:- did I say r)ob oh I mean Blob -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:21:24 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SF -:- this editor made me do it -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:25:49 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- go for it Selene and Nige -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:13:19 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Sorry, I can't do it... -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:24:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- And my suggested guidelines -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:27:42 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Louella Parsnip -:- Sounds good to me... -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 14:07:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Ok, how about... (response to CW below) -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 13:05:12 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Forget it-Too many rules -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:10:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SF -:- yeah no more new ex's -:- Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:19:41 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Francesca :C) -:- Very on topic Selene -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 14:46:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SF -:- easy answer -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 15:03:15 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- b) -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 04:13:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Re: b) PS: Before forewarned! -:- Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 04:15:42 (EDT)


Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 23:40:13 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: All
Subject: M devotees destroy planet
Message:
Have you seen the 'new' posting on 'The Truth About Maharaji', that 'Drug Money Finances Maharaji'.
Can I suggest 'Maharaji supports Nazis' on the basis that he likes German cars.
And 'Maharaji devotees destroy planet' on the basis that PwK use presticides.
And 'World poverty caused by Maharaji' on the basis that if he had discovered unlimited food and water the poor would be better off.
You guys aren't tryiing.
PT
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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 03:57:57 (EDT)
From: MrT
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Is David Whitla innit?
Message:
You is not passing through at all. You is stuck here till I and I free your head.

Funny, eh?

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Date: Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 11:21:11 (EDT)
From: David Whitla
Email: None
To: MrT
Subject: sorry to disappoint you
Message:
But no it isn't me. I know you miss me and the little identity crisis game you like playing. But I'm not playing anymore. Marolyn K is holidaying in the Bahamas and SC is about to leave on a tour (music) to pay off the mortgage. Anyhow, I can assure you I wouldn't engage in any argument about M's finances on any forum anywhere. Not my area of expertise. You may realise MrT (whoever the hell you are) that such a discussion is completely futile. Talk to the IRS if you want to get serious, that's what I say. If PT thinks he's got anywhere wasting his time in this thread then he's obviously new here and needs to suck in the vacuousness of the air a little more to realise there are other things to do.
If you read my posts on LG you'll have noticed that I announced the cessation of my engaging people on F6 anymore. (Unless I'm clearing up other people's identity misapprehensions that is).
I find it's very comfortable over there on LG and I'd like to thank whoever (on FV) provided the link to it because until a short time ago I didn't know about it. What happens, rather conveniently, is that the 'exes' who do wish to engage in intelligent dialogue with pwk, they go over there and we get on with it. You gotta admit, the pickings on this page are getting mighty slim with the girls club almost taking over.
Adieu, and don't let all them gold chains round your neck weigh you down Mr T!
David
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 05:07:23 (EDT)
From: MrT
Email: None
To: David Whitla
Subject: no apologies needed
Message:
is another shape shifting anonymous premie troll then? Is OK. I is glad you's over yous identity crisis game.

Is you sayin' you is one man now, and with one handle?

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 15:17:45 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Sorry PT, know this for fact
Message:
Yup, I do.

Can't say these same guys are around today and still premies. But I personally knew premies who were involved in drugs and arms smuggling on levels of the US gov't and foreign governments. Ex-CIA agents, ex-military personel, and then-current members of the Reagan/Bush administration. Not too mention members of the Cartel.

One of these premie buddies offered to buy my front row seat at a program. But I said NO. He laughed and offered hundreds of anyways because he knew I was probably broke. This guy was one of the neatest premies I knew, he was actually responsible for uttering one of the most defying comments that made we want to receive knowledge.

So there!

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:48:44 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Missed the point Deborah
Message:
Just because some PwK were in the CIA doesn't mean 'M supported by CIA' is fair and reasonable.
Unless you're going to list the occupations of every PwK that supports M.
And we know you won't do that because it spoils a good story.
PT
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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 19:00:21 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: You MISSED the point Deborah
Message:
I didn't say that the Premies were in the CIA. And I also didn't say that the CIA supported Maha BigHead

I was using specifics, rather than just saying 'I know'. The details of the drug involvement happen to be provable.

THESE premies contributed large $$$$$ to M. Giving $$$$$ to the BigHead was and is considered support. M supported them w/good seats.

Did M know of the money whereabouts? Maybe not. I don't know.

Why would he allow some devotional followers to risk their lives in Int'l Drug smuggling into bringing him to the WEST.

That was pretty smug of him. He did know about THAT drug deal.

You may prefer to ask yourself,

'Did M choose NOT to know where monies came from?'

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 10:25:32 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: PT is specious
Message:
PT shows us another example of the ridiculous 'defense' premies run to use to defend their Lord while trying to lambast anyone who says anything negative about him.

Okay, PT, what a ringing defense. One person says that drug money supports Maharaji and your defense is that Maharaji is NOT a drug dealer. Great. Very intelligent and funny.

Why not address the actual substance of what gets said here. Maybe Maharaji isn't a Nazi or a drug dealer, but he IS a filthy rich liar, who has a sordid personal life, including taking advantage of his devotees sexually, and who won't even admit he once claimed to be the incarnation of god.

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:20:07 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Easy Joe
Message:
Just because you believe 'M is a filthy rich liar, who has a sordid personal life, including taking advantage of his devotees sexually, and who won't even admit he once claimed to be the incarnation of god' doesn't excuse dishonesty.
Or does it?
PT
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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 12:34:20 (EDT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: You're right PT
Message:
Just because you believe 'M is a filthy rich liar, who has a sordid personal life, including taking advantage of his devotees sexually, and who won't even admit he once claimed to be the incarnation of god' doesn't excuse dishonesty.
Or does it?
PT


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You're right PT. There's absolutely No excuse for Maharaji's dishonesty.

Thank you for stating this in such clear terms.

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 19:38:49 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: Re: You're right PT
Message:
Wow, did you think he intended on being so profound.

Just because you believe 'M is a filthy rich liar, who has a sordid personal life, including taking advantage of his devotees sexually, and who won't even admit he once claimed to be the incarnation of god' doesn't excuse dishonesty.

Or does it?

Amazing, truly amazing and insightly reflection. Couldn't have asked it better myself.

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 05:37:21 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Nazis and Germans
Message:
Hey PT,

Not all Germans are, or were Nazis. If I was German I'd find your remarks offensive. Most of the 6,000,000 holacost victims were German.

When Hitler came to power he was only supported by 20% of Berliners.

The Global Centre of organised fascism seems to the USA.

Anth the European

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 11:29:46 (EDT)
From: Voyeur
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: Nazis and Germans
Message:
AJW your post needs correction: most of the 6,000,000 holocaust victims were not German. Try reading Ian Kershaw's book 'Hitler: Nemesis' and you will clearly see the problem from the German point of view. They were overrunning countries which vastly added to their 'Jewish problem'. These people were not German.
That book also contains some chilling similarities to our own experiences with GMJ. Most disturbing to me is the concept widely prevalent in the Nazi regime of 'working towards the Fuhrer'. You knew what he wanted, he didn't have to tell you, he could never be directly implicated in such decisions as setting up the gas chambers.....but you knew what he wanted. 'Working towards Maharaj Ji' was a phrase used at one time I believe.
Sends chills down my spine to think where this all could have gone.
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 05:48:27 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Voyeur
Subject: Yeah, but you take my point don't you.
Message:
It's racist to brand all Germans as Nazis, and very naive to think that there aren't people like that everywhere.

Do you have any figures about where the victims came from? I'll never get hold of the book you mentioned.

Anth too much to read already.

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 07:45:16 (EDT)
From: mayo
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Lets keep the Holocaust out of this
Message:
With respect to anyone who tries to invoke the Holocaust in support of their arguements. Please don't, it was an event that stands alone and it is not appropriate to use it to bolster arguements about any other matter.

Yours twitchily,

mayo

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 05:51:09 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: mayo
Subject: What are you talking about Mayo?
Message:
With respect to anyone who tries to invoke the Holocaust in support of their arguements. Please don't, it was an event that stands alone and it is not appropriate to use it to bolster arguements about any other matter.

Yours twitchily,

mayo


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Why don't you want anyone to discuss the Holocost?

Do you think all books on the subject should be burned too?

Anth the historian.

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:23:21 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Nazis, Germans and Anth
Message:
Since, not all PwK are drug dealers, your argument agrees with mine.
That claiming 'Drug money supports M' is offensive and not just to PwK but anyone who values logic and honesty.
PT
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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 05:56:05 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Maharaji, Drug-Money, Nazis and Anth
Message:
Hi PT

I didn't quite get the tie-up between the title and contents of your post.

Are you suggesting I'm a Nazi who supports a religious cult with money I've made from dealing drugs?

(Who let the cat out of the bag?)

Feldwebel Anth the Brainwashed Drug Pusher.

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 04:45:58 (EDT)
From: Steve
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: Nazis, Germans and Anth
Message:
No one claims that all pwk's are dealers. How ridiculous. Go ask Milky Cole if any of this is true. I personally don't think that M had the slightest knowledge ( pun intended ) of any of the shady deals. But then again he did claim to be merged with the all knowing omnipresent thing so he would have known in that case. Anyway PT you are a fringe premie and you guys were never in on what was really going on.

Baah ! Baah !

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 03:57:57 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Drug money supports Maharaji
Message:
is not illogical or dishonest if money from drug dealing goes to Maharaji. It is a completely accurate statement.
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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 17:08:58 (EDT)
From: Get this...
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Textbook money supports Maharaji!
Message:
Algebra! Social Studies! French 2! Biology!

Oh my, the horror!!

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 19:58:36 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Get this...
Subject: Re: Above post is stupidity
Message:
Gee, this is a typical reaction to unexpected responses. Just because you didn't know, you think it didn't exist. Now that you know, you try and reduce it to absurdity.

The questioner should have done his or her homework .

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Date: Sun, Jul 22, 2001 at 06:52:56 (EDT)
From: Urgent!!
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Maharaji supported by kimono raffles!
Message:
Many are pure silk!
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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 13:50:49 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: Nazis and Germans
Message:
Actually, Anth, more Polish Jews were exterminated than German Jews in the Holacaust, but then there were many more of them in the first place.

And as for the German people, well, Golhagen has a book out called 'Hitlers Willing Executioners' that is pretty convincing that ordinary Germans, Nazi and not, went quite along with, and actively supported, the extermination of the Jews.

I agree re the USA being the center of Fascism. And it appears to be getting worse all the time. But the UK doesn't help. Seeing Blair practically get on his knees and lick the shoes of our autrocious, unelected, and completely unqualified President, including failing to give the slightest contrary indication on global warming and star wars, was a real downer.

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 17:15:16 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Our leader.
Message:
Actually, Anth, more Polish Jews were exterminated than German Jews in the Holacaust, but then there were many more of them in the first place.

And as for the German people, well, Golhagen has a book out called 'Hitlers Willing Executioners' that is pretty convincing that ordinary Germans, Nazi and not, went quite along with, and actively supported, the extermination of the Jews.

I agree re the USA being the center of Fascism. And it appears to be getting worse all the time. But the UK doesn't help. Seeing Blair practically get on his knees and lick the shoes of our autrocious, unelected, and completely unqualified President, including failing to give the slightest contrary indication on global warming and star wars, was a real downer.


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Hi Joe,

I think many Poles were complicit in sending their countrymen to the camps, and the strong Anti-Semitic feelings of the German Nazis were shared by lots of Europeans outside Germany. In Croatia, they exterminated every-single Jew in the country- something even the Germans didn't manage.

Also, the political activists in Germany in the 30s, who did try to stand up to the Nazis, were rounded up and sent to the camps along with the Jews, Jehovas Witnesses, Freemasons, the physically and mentally handicapped, Communists, Socialists, Trade-Union activists etc. If you took a stand, and didn't toe the party line, you were liable to end up in the camps yourself.

As regards Blair, he's an insincere, arse licking, publicity grabbing, manipulative, bullshit merchant, scumbag. His relationship to Bush, is like that of a Soviet Satellite leader in the days of Communism. He's to Bush, as Caecescu or Honiker was to Gorbachov.

He does what he's told. His policies don't seem to be different from those of Thatcher.

Anth the lily-livered-liberal-subersive-commie-anarchist-bastard.

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 11:42:49 (EDT)
From: NaziJew
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: Nazis and Germans
Message:
Achtung, baby.
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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 10:59:08 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Organized facism
Message:
The Global Centre of organised fascism seems to the USA.

Yes, it does seem this way. I've always thought that the UK was ultimately calling the shots. I really doesn't matter, they seem joined at the hip.

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 04:05:45 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: Passing Through
Subject: Re: M devotees destroy planet
Message:
Thanks for reminding me about a post I've saved to my hard disk for future inclusion into the site. It's about the dumping of dangerous chemicals (from DECA project) into some Florida wetlands by a premie which killed all life in the water and provoked a local enquiry into who had caused this ecological disaster.

Unfortunately the local people never found the culprit.

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:25:44 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Sir Dave to the rescue
Message:
Why not 'Maharaji kills Florida'
PT
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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:53:38 (EDT)
From: Steve Mulley
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Drug Money
Message:
I know for sure that drug money has and still does support Maha. I was involved with the premies who imported ecstasy , acid and hash .

Cocaine deals in the US financed much of M's wealth in the early eighties.

The premies involved in dealing made some very hefty donations and you'll see them in the front few rows at programs.

However I wouldn't claim that M had any knowledge of where the money comes from. I don't think he's put out any communications saying that he'd rather not take donations obtained by dealing drugs though.

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:28:36 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Steve Mulley
Subject: Drug Money and Steve
Message:
Be careful Steve.
Some concerned parents could start up an anti Steve site saying- Steve's silence allowed drug network to flourish.
Or would that be dishonest?
PT
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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 06:11:11 (EDT)
From: Steve
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Sorry mate you lost me there nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 20:09:31 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Steve
Subject: Re: Sorry mate PT is lost, forgot where he was
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 05:57:35 (EDT)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: Steve Mulley
Subject: bleh!
Message:
Can it get any worse! I just get continually shocked by this.

Abi

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:45:12 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Abi
Subject: Blah, blah, blah Abi
Message:
Can what get any worse?
Ex-premies desire to blame M for what people with Knowledge do?
Just because this site offers unlimited oportunities for spite doesn't mean that honesty and logic should be victims.
Perhaps you should take a break if objecting to bullshit shocks you.
PT
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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:19:10 (EDT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Did Drug deals support early m. mission?!
Message:
Actually, way back in the early 1970s, I heard from people I was hanging around then that were the first Western premies - like folks around Gary Girard, a guy named Milky, Saph, and some others r.e. some of the Westerners went back from India and did various drug deals to finance m. and the early mission in the West.

Later, m. would send DLM p.r. people to solicit awards from cities prior to his appearance there at events [e.g. Detroit, 1973, which backfired]. Ironically, while accepting awards for supposedly rehabilitating hippies from drugs, m. was doing drugs himself and abusing alcohol even as a teenager.

go figure!

Peace and lentils,

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 03:29:47 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: Re: Did Drug deals support early m. mission?!
Message:
All rumours are true.
That's why we like them.
I heard that 100s of thousands of people have received Knowledge and enjoy it.
Go figure.
PT
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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 15:39:26 (EDT)
From: Maharaj ji fathered
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: my 1/2 Alien love child!
Message:
and Michael Dettmers introduced us!
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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:31:10 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Maharaj ji fathered
Subject: Attack of the killer tomatoes
Message:
At last!
The miissing link between M and the Bermuda Triangle.
PT
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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 04:51:11 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Great post, PT. Proved everyone wrong
Message:
A couple of exes here obviously trust their sources enough to use their own names when repeating the 'rumours'. How about you when refuting them so eloquently?

'Thousands enjoy K' - that's a powerful argument.
BTW: Would it bother you if M WAS financed by drug money? I suspect not..

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 00:39:20 (EDT)
From: Passing Through
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Poor post, Nigel
Message:
Am I missing something?
I object to the claim 'M supported by drug money' and you conclude that I would be happy for M to be totally funded by drug money.
Yeah Nigel that sounds logical to me.
PT
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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 07:50:07 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: Why?
Message:
Yes you are missing something. (A detached objectivity, perhaps...)

The final line was just an observation/question. The substance of the post - such as it was - was the irrelevance of 'thousands enjoy K' to the question raised about drug money.

Many more thousands received K and quit, than currently practise. So what?

Premies have been objecting to unsubstantiated claims here for years (eg. that Jagdeo is a paedophile / Maharaji uses volunteer pimps to gain sexual favours from female devotees etc.). When those claims later become substantiated by so many witnesses they can no longer be ignored, premies change tack from 'not true' to 'maybe true, but irrelevant to my experience', or similar. (Which makes me wonder why they even bother to enter the discussion. They have clearly nothing to add, by way of correction or confirmation.)

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 19:20:46 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Nigel
Subject: Hey, PT - you replied to the guy above...
Message:
I thought for a minute we had a dialogue thingy going. Y'konw, when you said 'poor post, Nigel..'. Ok, not a promising start, maybe, or when I said (insincerely) 'great post PT'. Yeah - no common turf perhaps - but 'from such little acorns...'? Talk to me, you bastard, before my hate club membership expires.
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 23:45:48 (EDT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Passing Through
Subject: How about -m jousts with windmills-? [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 22:40:30 (EDT)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Dear Elan Vital
Message:
EV:
I have to stress again that I find it unconscionable that Dr Pascotto contacts my father. LEAVE HIM ALONE. Tell your psychologists AND your lawyers to leave my father alone. If you wish to say something, do so here in this public forum or contact me through the appropriate chanels.

You can push his buttons all you like but remember that I think for myself. I am no-longer a member of your cult and your mind games have a limited effect on me. You put me through hell before, during and after Amaroo and I am not going back there again.

I am not going to kiss your feet.

So Valerio, either gather the courage to contact me directly or not, but leave my father alone. And the same applies to your lawyers.

Is that FRANK enough for you?

Abi

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 02:57:08 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Abi
Subject: Keep telling them, Abi. The world is watching..
Message:
..the cult's handling of this. Which appears to be as shabby as ever...

Just found this post from Anth in 'Best of Forum'.
Best,
Nige
[ 'They knew for years' ]

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 11:29:55 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Censorship on Forum 5
Message:
..the cult's handling of this. Which appears to be as shabby as ever...

Just found this post from Anth in 'Best of Forum'.
Best,
Nige


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It really looks silly now. On the page Nigel linked, there is a serious discussion of Jagdeo's crimes. Apparently, an anonymous premie is getting people upset with his defense of Jadeo and people are calling him a 'pedophile apologist' and 'Bjorn.' But you can't read what this premie wrote. It's been deleted!

I'm really glad those days are over.

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:41:25 (EDT)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: Censorship on Forum 5
Message:
Did the dread B really say that! Bleh! But yes, I agree with you.
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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 13:01:07 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Abi
Subject: Re: Censorship on Forum 5
Message:
Hi Abi,

Not sure what you mean, as I haven't directly quoted what anyone wrote in that thread. As far as I can tell, someone people thought Bjorn was apparently attempting to present some sort of defense for Jagdeo or Maharaji. But I can't be sure as the posts from this person are missing.

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 13:11:10 (EDT)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: Censorship on Forum 5
Message:
Hi gerry,
I guess what I meant was 'did he really defend Jagdeo?'. But really, I think I should drop the B thing.

It's dropped.

Abi

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 05:52:23 (EDT)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Thanks Nigel
Message:
Thanks Nigel.

As Morrissey would say 'what difference does it make' (to them?). And they would say 'these things take time'. But 'how soon is now?'

Excuse The Smiths attack. Got to stay sane somehow. Difficult.

Abi

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 14:53:09 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Abi
Subject: Nothing to excuse (ot)
Message:
'How soon is now' is one of my all-time faves..
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 23:04:25 (EDT)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: Abi
Subject: PS
Message:
Who runs Elan Vital? It wouldn't be Maharaji would it?
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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 14:59:07 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Abi
Subject: What a good Q: who DOES run EV?
Message:
It isn't Maharaji, since he is just some guest motivational speaker who ocassionally gets invited (if he's lucky) to address some of their meetings.

Say there were some legal matter where the issue of 'corporate responsibilty' were invoked (we have that term in the UK - don't know about elsewhere) - where would the buck stop? Whose head would roll?

(speaking hypothetically and metaphorically, of course)

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 07:52:02 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Re: What a good Q: who DOES run EV?
Message:
Elan Vital says, on its own website: 'A feature of this organization (Elan Vital) in the US and elsewhere, is that it does not have a membership'

No membership? Not even of its Board of Directors? Well, we know that it HAS a Board of Directors and that Marcia Leitner is a member of that board.

So what's with the claim to having 'no members'???

There can't be too many organisations that would spout such non-sensical disclaimers and hope to retain their credibility!

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 11:42:18 (EDT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Isn't it possible to find out who runs EV? nt
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 23:51:28 (EDT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Abi
Subject: who runs EV? you-know-who!
Message:
Abi,

if a cult psychologist [dat's a real oxymoron, for ya] contacted your family, then m's cult is just trying to manipulate you guys and milk your family for any info or anything said that they might use to then distort and undermine the victims' accounts of Jagdeo's crimes against children.

Also, I am seeing that most of the premies posting at LG would rather smear those of us oldtimers who bear witness, instead of opening their plugged up ears to listen carefully. They called me a liar the last 2 days -- for mentioning my old housemates Marolyn and Nouri in a post. At least the exes don't all band together like jackals to lie and defame people speaking the truth.

Peace and lentils,

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:14:52 (EDT)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: posting
Message:
Dear Such,
more power to your arm for speaking about those old Lord of the Universe days.

As for EV and me ..they can interview my son if they want. He'll tell them they are very smelly and farty and to stop being such nasty boys. It is an opinion shared by my entire family.

Abi

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 01:24:42 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Abi
Subject: Hey there
Message:
Read your email, Abi.

Marianne

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 18:54:26 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Kah-Boom Ba!
Message:
Here's a repost from Lifes Great by our very own swami suchabanana. Take it away, swamiji!

Check EV bs revisionist FAQs and ask yerself: 'have I been used today?'

Fact: this lil' ol' swami does not accept money for revealing the truth [and never has], not Rolls Royces, Ferraris, nor extra-marital blonde devotee nookie action, multiple mansions, Rolexes, jet planes, yachts, Presidential and Royal hotel suites, devotee servant/slaves, million dollar recording studio for a total musical ignoramus, 'bigshot' gurupie status, honcho front-row seats at guru personality worship events, or anything else material or as a perquisite.

Let's look at those 3 criteria again, mangled tangle (wango tango, the pseudonym of the person to whom the post was directed--ed):

1. centralized control by a charismatic leader - Ok, who are the other speakers who may speak freely and unscripted at the cult events, who is the central personality on the Big Brother vids, who keeps reinforcing the concept of the need for a master, the need to obey and follow the one master, never leave room for doubt in your mind about him or the cult, the pre-eminence of the master over the techniques, the format for every event, the control of the message, what to say to your friends and new people -- i.e. how to be a mindless cloned zombie? Who else is on equal footing with miragey in the cult? who really controls all the assets of Seva? who tells the people at EV what to do, even though he is not officially the president or CEO? Who has exclusive use [as the owner] of a yacht he does not legally own? Who told premies not to do drugs or alcohol, but made close associates promise secrecy [x-rating] about his own indulgences -- the fearless leader, nay, the 'imperfect master' - weaving one tangled web after another of public and private cheat and deceit. Who really controls the message, the medium, the money, the spotlight, and manipulates the minds of trusting people?

2. an us-versus-them mentality that isolates: how many pwks have not experienced this cult mindset, to some extent? or the we know something, you don't mindset, or they're a cult, but we're not mindset, or the media is just out to get m. mindset, or the hateful ex-premies must be in their minds mindset,etc.?

3. a lack of tolerance for dissent: see, as soon as pwks post here with criticism of miragey, some of the resident premie.hate hyenas attack the honest and well-meaning pwk critics. Hey, you can have meditation [if you like (or just forget it)] AND dump the false and greedy guru/master empowerment trip as utter baloney and as irrelevant and deceitful spiritual baggage. Frankly, I urged some tolerance from all at epo for premies; yet, I'm met here with bs attacks from ignorant people who think credibility is measured in: p.c. cultspeak and cultthink, or how many millions one has - born-again capitalists, or whether someone was a gurupie social climber or a cult celeb who fathered a premie daughter out of wedlock [like Mike N.] and shirked his duty as a real father the whole time lil' Jenny was growing up - in order to selfishly pursue the material illusion of glittery fame and wealth. An objective observer might view that as a pathetic waste of human potential and lives!

So, that's the kind of spirituality people here learned from miragey's tangled web and his example - what a mangled tangle, indeed! They've learned selfishness, gluttony, materialist addiction, codependencdy to m., moral irresponsibility, legal irresponsibility, to ignore glaring m. and cult abuses, hypocrisy, misuse of donations, and stick their thumbs in their ears and their heads in the sand when it comes to the truth of the cult and the actual unedited history. 'meaningful dialogue'? haha yeah, right! some of these pwks have forgotten how to use their brains -- too much brainwashing, too much surrendering and buying into an imperfect flawed kindergarten master. m. used to say: 'you are accepting this knowledge, you are not accepting me.' But, the fact is, you don't receive knowledge w/o at least going through the motions of buying into his whole master and tech monopoly scam. This knowledge is free, right? so, stop sending any donations to EV [the money will just be misused or wasted, anyway] and especially those personal checks to miragey the manipulator's post office box. At my knowledge session, the instructor said repeatedly: 'if you have millions, give millions.' Even after breaking off contact from the cult psychos who were harassing my family, I still got pleas for money, money, money... to support what? m's presidential suites, luxury planes, luxury cars, servants, fatty food, and perverse cult megalomania -- which is an abomination to genuine spirituality and to the traditions of ascetics and down-to-earth teachers who have not parlayed twisted superstitious yoga into selfish riches and temporal power for themselves -- on the backs of poor devotees.

'credibility'? No one, NO one, here has shown me any, so far. Instead, I see the vacuous muddled minds, inflated egos, and selfish hearts of the fallen deluded devotees of a fallen greedy rugu...

the truth hurts, rotten veges... a mangled tangle.

I've got nothing against premies, except those who lie for and defend miragey's and EVI's 'cheat and deceit'. I'm a pwk, too, after all, and was a loyal deluded, dedicated premie, too, for almost 30 years -- at great sacrifice to my career, my family, and my lifestyle. satsang, service, and meditation was actually a way of life for many of us who weren't 'bigshots'. too bad miragey was a fake guru and a fraud as a respectable human being -- a demented, insatiable, addicted, imperfect master who didn't even meditate himself or follow his own rules or guidelines for living...

If one compares the history, trappings, and workings of the Rajneesh cult, the Sai Baba cult, and the miragey cult, the parallels and similarities are overwhelming...

but, let's save that for another tea-time.

Peace and lentils,

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 17:33:51 (EDT)
From: Francesca :C)
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Traditional Family Property org or cult?
Message:
A lunchtime tale of cultdom:

Whooie. Forgot about M-b-Jesus.

I was down on the mall and there were these guys with light brown suits, and red scarfy things tossed over their upper chests and shoulders. They had leaflets and were trying to engage passers-by, but I ducked into the store as one of them descended upon a funky person on a park bench. They were in the part of downtown where the street preachers take turns yelling at people during lunch hour, but I was taking a late lunch.

As I left the store and walked by the square near the big Catholic cathedral, the brown suiters were now gathered in a military-like stance and formation, with two standard-bearers up at the front holding aloft red heraldic flags that said 'Traditional Family Property.' There was one with a text of some sort, leading some sort of low mumbo jumbo chant.

As I passed them and was about 1/2 block away, they ended the mumble with a group cheer,

'Traditional family property!
Traditional family property!
Traditional family property!
USA! USA! USA!'

All I could find on the web was that they were listed everwhere along with the Family Values Coalition and such as supporter's for Ashcroft's nomination for US Attorney general.

Yi! Anybody know about these guys. Makes you glad some people have gnaw ledge.

bests, f

Francesca

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 20:10:46 (EDT)
From: such
Email: None
To: Francesca :C)
Subject: Oh,that's just dumb rich SS + WPC reincarnates [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 17:15:09 (EDT)
From: Joy
Email: joyfenwick@onetel.net.uk
To: All
Subject: Hot Idea for an Enterprising Entrepreneur
Message:
I sent the following comment to Richard via e-mail and he urged me to post it on the new Forum since he thought everyone was a bit shell-shocked from all the recent upsets. I was only kidding, but it might not be a bad idea for someone who needed to make a little extra cash (I'm still only kidding, really).

'There should be a weekly publication on the internet, sort of like Soap
Opera Digest, detailing the ups and downs, latest romances and fights on the
Forum. Hey, that's not a bad idea, is it? Someone who's a regular lurker
(like yourself) could post a weekly bulletin and charge for the service, so
people who are too busy to spend much time on it could still keep up with
the action! $10 a month and you get a week by week synopsis! Larkin's
latest songs,* best of* posts, hot gossip, etc.'

Well, any takers? I'd subscribe!

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 21:20:05 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Joy
Subject: Re: Hot Idea for an Enterprising Entrepreneur
Message:
This is a good start. How about a newsletter.

It will tell you where the 'Hot Picins' are located.
It will summarize the week or month's events.
It will give you the latest dish
It will feature Best of Forum
It will give http:// addresses and why you may want to see them

Regarding M.
It will give tips for helping M decide to retire
It will give you M's artineray of events
It will quote M's latest not-worth-traveling-around-the-world-for anymore diatribe

Any suggestions?

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 17:36:46 (EDT)
From: Francesca :)
Email: None
To: Joy
Subject: Hello Joy
Message:
I was wondering whether I'd get an e-mail to you before you took the plunge back into the Forum. Not much to say but hello, and in some ways you didn't miss anything except a few brilliant turns of phrase on a subject that is always being discussed, debated and deconstructed here!

much love, Francesca

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Date: Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 17:30:15 (EDT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Francesca :)
Subject: As the whirled turns
Message:
Hi Joy and all,
I remember when Maharaji's World (he called it that) was the most fascinating, ultimate soap of all. I guess once an addict...
RE is fun these days BTW Joy.
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 18:02:54 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Francesca :)
Subject: Here's an example of how it might work
Message:
Joy,
Following is an actual and unedited email (honestly) from a mutual friend of ours. After a chat about some of the revelations on FV, I sent them a link to the *Best Of* section JM put together on EPO. The person is like many 'post premies' - was into M&K but not enough now to go to a video. Don't know about what is known now. This was their reaction.
Richard

Well....................2 hours later, I MUST stop! Fascinating!!!!!!
Disgusting!!!!!!!Amazing!!!!!!
I knew it!!!!!!!!!! I CAN'T stop reading, have to eat, have to pee, have to
have caffine........CAN'T stop........

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 13:46:53 (EDT)
From: Announcing
Email: None
To: All
Subject: A new ex forum for people who don't..
Message:
..like too many guidelines.
[ An Alternative Ex-premie Forum ]
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 14:02:55 (EDT)
From: Nige
Email: None
To: Announcing
Subject: Hey, relax, Way ...:)
Message:
It was just response to CW's complaint about 'too many rules' in the thread below... (it will be off-line before bedtime)

Hmm, maybe you are relaxed already, but just in case it gave the wrong impression, I have now softened the language, somewhat.

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 14:30:23 (EDT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Nige
Subject: Re: Hey, relax, Way ...:)
Message:
You mean I don't get to be banned for life?
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 16:09:10 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Re: Hey, relax, Way ...:)
Message:
Sorry, pal, rules is rules...!
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 10:44:17 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: All
Subject: I swear in the Holy Bible that I will
Message:
ESTABLISH PEACE ON EARTH: I won't but I want millions.

I sad it because it sounds good and I was broke, and I liked toys and couldn't get them. So what? I'm a materialistic greedy guru, so, I will made everybody who come to me, gradually, as 'small' as possible, I will keep them needy of me and I will get all the fame, power and money I want.

I'm an Indian guru. I know few tricks, my father taught me how to keep all interested and afraid of rotten vegetables. First I offer something that 'they cannot find ANy place else', then I confused them enough that they hang around and but all my trinkets and crappy videos full of good sounding nonsense and I'll get all I want and need.

I can hire prostitutes when I want sex: I'm an insecure person and have no clue how to seduce a woman. I'm so ugly that if I was a regular person women would run from me. But hey, now I'm rich and can find the best prostitutes around. Love? What is that? Sex, lies and rock and roll is what I'm about. I'm the cool guru, who doesn't give even one un-calculated step. I have atroop of liars who can make all look good even when my lies are obvious; they are MY worshipers.

THE ONE WITH THE MOST TOYS WINS!

I NEVER GREW UP AND I DON'T HAVE TO: My wishes are orders. I have anough stupid people around me to TAKE ME 'THERE', TO THE OTHER SIDE$$$$. I have no fears. People are like ants and every opportunity I have I make fun of them. They are NOTHING. Compassion? hahahaha... Stupid word created.

I AM THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE OF DARKNESS. I will live forever. I am GOD, a dark, opressor GOD and I wake up every morning worshiping the IMAGE of the one whot allowed me to become so, so powerful and rich. I can hire the best troop of lawyers. I am set....I am ....

SHUT THE FUCK UP MAHARAJI!

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 16:14:51 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: Fuckin BEST OF FORUM****
Message:
You bust me UPPPPP!
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 18:07:53 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Re: Fuckin BEST OF FORUM****
Message:
I supposse you mean you got a laugh. I'm glad. What is there to do? cry? Pleeeeeease premies, give us a brake... there are no rotten vegetables, JUST A ROTTEN TEACHER.

It makes me sick to think that premies want to see us, the ones who want REAL freedom as hateful beings,m when in reality, the one who hates them the most is the one who jailed them, LOOOOOOOONG a go, the one who steals their chance for real freedom and happiness... and they settle for a fake happiness, full of frustrations and self-hate. Yes, self hate, because how otherwise can the premidon trip be justified if not as self-repression, self-hate?

Whatever represses you stops you from being who you CAN be and if you are not allowed to be human, is the one lying to you 'loving you'? No fricking way.

What happens is the fricking guru doesn't give them a break. He keeps having ENOUGH fricking stupid brainwashing blablabla empty program as I said, to keep everybody busy. If he stops for a while talking people MAY beging to think for thememselves and he knows that is bad for bussiness.

How many people have received K? Not many. Hardly any new people and the old ones are leaving every minute. Does he cares about the damage he has done to people minds, souls? No. I'm sure his sick mind has many, many ways to justify his wrongdoing, after all, what other choice he has? Work in Mc Donalds? Would he be an artist painting 'those' flowers? A Pilot? hahahaha... he doesn't pilot the plane, he just sit there, the pompous ass.

Oh yes, we are mad, but to talk about it is healthy FOR MY MIND! I'm reafirming he is fake and I am real. I am a human being, accepting ALL my parts. He is just for one: $$$$ baby!

The fricking guru is all for the bussiness and any person who thinks the opposite, any person that came to believe he has ANY power over them, any person who thinks he is some God or Lord of any kind needs immediate psychological help.

Is like being an addict: You know taht drugs make your life unmanagable but you continue craving and wanting the drug. Life with guru sucks, but he convinces you so good that there is nothing better that you are not even able to doubt... You have fell for the biggest lie of all, you have become trapped. And if you leave, specially after decades of brainwashing life can become a little difficult because as Selene said yesterday on the phone, we had no adult life free of his BS, so now we must re-learn how to live, but hey, I wouldn't ever come back to be a feet kisser, no way. Life is real today and the possibilities are endless. With guru, an end street is all you have.

I'll write soon. I'm just taking a brake of my responsibilities.

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 14:36:39 (EDT)
From: SF (selene)
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: premies will say
Message:
Al that was 15 years ago. Which is somehow supposed to make it ok. Don't ask me why. they have an interesting way of rationalizing, sort of like the abused wife who says
'He doesn't hit me often. It was my fault for provoking him'.
ughhhhh (Hi Silvia)
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 18:34:01 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: SF (selene)
Subject: Re: premies will say
Message:
Hi Selene,

Is dry and hot here as I remember it was when I visit Arizona. Aughhhh...

Al that was 15 years ago.

That what guru mariachi tells them, now is now... How easy he want to patch all his bs! Well, is not like that for us ex-premies.

Words have power and what he said to be real real then and kept bragging about it for decades is true today and I find him to be a liar.

If premies have no morals and no problem in being supporters of such a low being is up to them. Their stupid decission.

He lied to us, period. End of the argument. If a person realizes that he lied how can one stay and support him at all? Screw him and his idiotic breath monopolizing. God he is not. Just a greedy, rich wanna be: He got some serious bucks but he can't buy class. He is a low life as he always was. Fricking liar! Adulterer. Prostitute user. Idolater of false images, false little god like his non-swan dead father, food 'hugger' (read too fat=eats too much LOL)power starving controlling, annal retentive, drunk.

Me, a hater? Hey, I just have the guts to speak what I think. Not too many can, pussie cats, weakies, etc., etc....

I rather be a human being than a wanna be fake 'saint'. I have more chance of finding life truth than the one who affirms he already found it: They found a dead end street. Is a ego trip. Now they are wishing death to see what is like... what guru mariachi promised about it. pathetic.

He is so fake that he changes his stories daily and premies respect him, and premies have the guts to tell us we are missing the point? No way.

MAHARAJI SUCKS!

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 10:02:22 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: All
Subject: Who said premies were clones...?
Message:

[ You should see the RAEL THING.. ]
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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 00:32:06 (EDT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Re: Who said premies were clones...?
Message:
Nigel, in your travels, you may find the news section of
sightings.com to contain some articles the may interest you.
The site was linked to the forum one day and I now go there
weekly to see what articles interest me.
They do like the silly notion of ET visitors, but I ignore that stuff and go for whatever articles I like.
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 04:05:30 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: Without the Master you cannot come home
Message:
Rev Rawat said that last week in Mainz. This is extremely silly and manipulative and annoying at best and, at worst, dangerous and irresponsible. Perhaps I should have titled this message, ''Confessions of a breatharian,'' because I am going to fess up to something: I really enjoy breathing. It's because I enjoy breathing so much that I have to criticise Rev Rawat.


I grew up in a noisy household. The kitchen door was always open and all the kids in the village gathered there. My parents were loud and had alarming fights with lots of shouting and pots and pans flying. And Grannie Flossie was always pounding away at the piano and singing ''A Bird in a Gilded Cage.''


When I was seven we went to visit Flossie's cousin Gladys who lived in the city. My father left to go drinking with his pals while Flossie and my mom drank tea with Gladys in her parlour. Gladys was a spinster and I was a boy so I was not allowed into her parlour but had to have my tea in the dining room by myself.


I sat there at the dark shiny mahogany table and was fascinated by the highly polished parquet floor. It smelled and gleamed as if it had just been polished. A vase of pink carnations stood in the middle of the table. Their scent also caught my attention. I could hear the tinkle of teaspoons and hushed conversation of the three women wafting down the passage from the parlour. The afternoon seabreeze sprang up from the Indian Ocean and blew the white lace curtains inward. I had never known such cleanliness (mom was a slob) or sweetness in my life before.


Then I noticed something else that I had usually only experienced when in the wilderness away from people. It was quiet; so silent that I could hear the tick-tock of the grandfather clock in the passage. Then I heard the sound of my breath. It seemed to come and go as the lace curtains blew in and out and each breath was perfumed with carnations and floor polish. To this day those smells bring on waves of nostalgia.


Was it 1967 that ''Sgt. Pepper'' first came out? Whenever - I was about 19, lying on the floor of a penthouse overlooking the Indian ocean when I first heard it. The owner of the penthouse was a former circus trapeze artist who had recently opened the first gay club ever in the history of South Africa. I was his bartender and had been invited to a party in his penthouse high above Durban's beachfront Golden Mile. The livingroom was filled with an assortment of elegant queens and surfer beachbums.


Pipes of Durban Poison (dagga or cannabis) circulated non-stop. It was the third time that I had smoked it and this time it worked. The Beatles wove their spell and I had my first psychedelic experience. My imagination flowed like ''Fantasia'' to the music. Effortlessly I ''saw'' the music and even ''smelled'' it. The beauty! Each breath was so miraculous that tears rolled down my cheeks. Later I would think of that night and realize that I understood what Keats meant when he said that beauty is truth and truth is beauty.


Many psychedelic trips and four years later I gave up drugs and started to meditate. The first technique that I did was called ''tranquil breath.'' I heard about the kid guru going to Glastonbury and thought he was a cheap show-off and self-promoting conman. My friends all got his ''Knowledge'' and went to India. If you can't lick 'em, join 'em and I did. When I was told that the breath was the Holy Name of God I immediately was hooked. I understood what that meant.


I may not use the same words to describe it anymore. That is after all a very Hindu way of looking at it. Too religious and constricting which is probably why Rev Rawat has stopped referring to it as such. But calling the breath the ''Holy Name'' really is only poetry - poetry written by a primitive pres-scientific pre-agnostic people. But no matter what, the breath is still something worth writing poetry about. That is at least one thing Rev Rawat has got right - except of course his poetry is so inane.


So why do I still think he's a ''cheap show-off and self-promoting conman?'' Because he is such an inane poet? Partly - but mostly because he is such a bad yoga teacher and has promoted his own glories over those of sanity, common sense and respect for the mystery of life. He has enriched himself by degrading a simple message of reverence for the unexplained miracle of the breath with superstition and the ugly retro-feudalism of gurujism. And that's my main beef against Rawat. How dare he say at Mainz last week that ''you cannot came home except with the help of the Master?'' He will suffer untold eternal agonies for saying that.

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 23:18:04 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Good post PatC! (nt)
Message:
aha
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 20:15:47 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: Without the Master
Message:
Hi Pat,

So I guess that means, when we die and get to the gates of heaven, St Peter will look in his book and say, 'Sorry guys. You cancelled your monthly donation to Captain Rawat, took his picture from the wall and took responsibility for your own lives again. It's down to Hell for you, where you'll have to fuck Margaret Thatcher four times a day and watch home decoration TV in the intervals.

Anth the freshly painted Tory.

Anth the celebate rakshasa.

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 08:53:20 (EDT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: A few questions for Anth.
Message:
1. Do I dare disturb the universe?

2. How should I begin to spit out all the butt ends of my days and ways? And how should I presume?

3. Would it have been worth while, to have bitten off the matter with a smile, to have squeezed the universe into a ball to roll it toward some overwhelming question?

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Date: Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 06:03:18 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Re: A few answers for Dep'
Message:
1. Do I dare disturb the universe?

2. How should I begin to spit out all the butt ends of my days and ways? And how should I presume?

3. Would it have been worth while, to have bitten off the matter with a smile, to have squeezed the universe into a ball to roll it toward some overwhelming question?


---

Hi Dep',

Here's my take on your questions.

1. It doesn't matter, if you wake it up, it won't know where the noise came from. This is because, when it turns around to see the source of the irritation, you, being part of the Universe, will turn with it. So it will never see you. (God sees it, but he doesn't give a fuck, and won't do anything. As you can see by the Captains unrestrained shenanigans, the Creators hands are tied.)

2. Don't worry about the butt ends Dep'. They will be disolved quickly in time.

3. I think this is a very constructive, positive idea. I've never tried it myself, but let me know how you get on.

Boat drinks.

Anth the tiny ball of doesn't matter.

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 16:21:43 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: PatC, way to go!.......... [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 16:18:27 (EDT)
From: Gina (Home Girl)
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Beautiful story, Pat, & point well made [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 13:22:00 (EDT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Pat,a perfect example of why EPO is so good...
Message:
It is so fascinating to me to have a forum where Reverend Rawat's sermons can be actually looked at and dissected, rather than swallowed whole.
It is so illuminating, especially when you see the many ideas, beliefs and concepts that the right reverend espouses,while at the same time he also says that he has no beliefs to promote.

I am not talking about endlessly dissecting his sermons to try and nitpick them to death to find the discrepancies.
This can be done with anyone, if one wants to prove them to be hypocritical.

But it is so interesting to really look at some of this stuff.
I think maybe we should gather a list of the reverends recent discourses in the last few years and weed out some of the many beliefs he is promoting, while claiming to not promote them.

Wouldn't it be interesting to ask m or one his instructors about some of these, such as:

1-No one in the history of the world has ever saved themselves without the master.
(Q-what does he mean by saved? Is he THE master? Is every person on planet Earth right now NOT saved, unless they are a premie?
And when shri hans was alive, was every person on planet Earth also lost, unless they were a premie of his?
And worst of all, how about those ex-premies?
Where are they going?
They were saved, but 95% of them decided to get Un-saved for some strange reason.)

2)Everyone leaves this world empty handed, but I can give you something that won't leave you empty handed (at death).
(Q-Could the reverend explain SPECIFICALLY what he means? What is he saying that he is giving? Immortality through a DVD on an I-Mac computer?)

3)Krishna says: remember me at death, and you will come to me.
(Q-Is the reverend telling his present day premies to remember Krishna at their time of death? If so, is he really recommending Hinduism now to the premies?
Since that is highly unlikely, isn't he perhaps saying to the premies (in a secretive sort of way that only they will 'get') that he is the present day Krishna, and that premies should remember reverend rawat at their time of death?

4)Your immortality is inside of you.
(Q-since he is teaching you how to 'go inside', isn't he promising immortality here?
Once again, he can show you how to achieve or experience immortality.
And once again, how is that done, specifically?
Is it the DVD on the I-mac, the knowledge session video in the TV at the community hall, or the secret password protected web site where aspirants can go to get the 4 techniques?
Or does it occurr when the new premie finally sees maharaji at a live program?
Holy breath? (seems to be making a comeback in out of the way places like amaroo these days)

Maybe we should start collecting some of these recent quotes and post them somewhere on the site.
They certainly would pose interesting issues for aspirants to explore, premies to try and explain, instructors to dodge, and the right reverend rawat to weasle out of....

La-ex

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 12:57:48 (EDT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Pat - a suggestion
Message:
Pat,

You might consider writing your memoirs for publication. If you do, try to keep the Rawat stuff to one or two chapters. The dining room scene was lovely and thought-provoking. More of those kind of small but significant moments would be good. But I know that your life has had some major drama in it as well, and with a little Thelma thrown in, you could really have a book.

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 12:56:32 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: Without the Master you cannot come home
Message:
Well PatC, I must say you totally suprise me. I checked in thinking it would be great to see one of your lectures on Maharajism and here you've done one better. You've described what I would call your own personal cosmology. Carnations and floor polish. I could practically smell that and hear the clock ticking. Very poetic, my good man.

Thanks for sharing part of yourself. I believe it is so important to recall the person who was filled with wonder and awe when he/her first heard of the Sat Guru. It is precisely that sweetness and beauty and truth and beauty and love and truth that I need to recall in order to continue reclaiming my true self. Thanks for the encouragement.

I think I'll run out and get some carnations and floor polish and reach nirvana - oops that's your cosmology. Let's see, mine is around here somewhere.

Richard

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 21:20:53 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: Without the Master you cannot come home
Message:
You've described what I would call your own personal cosmology.

Pat did nothing of the sort. Cosmologyis the study of the physical universe considered as a totality of phenomena in time and space.

I believe it is so important to recall the person who was filled with wonder and awe when he/her first heard of the Sat Guru.

You're confusing a natural youthful exuberance for life with guru worship. What you fancy as 'your cosmology' is nothing but guru worship, bhakti yoga. If that's what you like, fine, enjoy. But don't mistake it for a 'cosmology.'

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 23:46:37 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Oh my - splitting hairs
Message:
I think you totally missed my point which was offered in good spirit. Change 'personal cosmology' to 'personal story'. Feel better now?

When I said 'awe and wonder' I was referring to my state of mind before I heard of GMJ. In other words, I brought that awe and wonder and transferred it to worshiping GMJ - not the other way around. I also said It is precisely that sweetness and beauty and truth and beauty and love and truth that I need to recall in order to continue reclaiming my true self. That was what I was about before I heard of GMJ and K. And in my own experience, it is possible to revisit those states of being. Of course M, at some debatable point, coopted those qualities and claimed he was their source but it is who we were before that interests me. Yes we were young and naive but there was more to it than that.

That's my story and I'm sticking with it.

Richard

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:08:12 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: gkl1@techline.com.
To: Richard
Subject: Words mean things-no offense
Message:
Maybe 'world view' would convey your meaning better.

I think I catch your drift, though. I recall that innocence and awe as you described. And Rawat's co-opting of those feelings was probably a pretty common experience for pwks. I remember feeling like I'd 'blown it' after I dropped out of the cult. For years there was this lingering, niggling, nasty little festering feeling. I don't suppose I'd really rooted it out until I found ex-premie.org in 97 or 98.

Is this the Richard in the PAC NW? This is Gerry Lyng. I live in McCleary, Washington.

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 13:21:00 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Reply OT
Message:
Yes, I'm the Richard formerly known as Postie living on Vashon Island. Aren't you Gerry formerly known as gErRy? I hope you'll be coming to the big International Ex-Premie Hate Club Ex-Travaganza in the Tacoma Dome next month. Only $850 admission with your GetSmart Card plus $1500 for a cot at the Salvation Army and $950 for 6 meals specially prepared by Jim H. See you there.
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:22:33 (EDT)
From: Mercedes
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: Without the Master you cannot come home
Message:
because he is such a bad yoga teacher and has promoted his own glories over those of sanity, common sense and respect for the mystery of life. He has enriched himself by degrading a simple message of reverence for the unexplained miracle of the breath with superstition and the ugly retro-feudalism of gurujism. And that's my main beef against Rawat. How dare he say at Mainz last week that ''you cannot came home except with the help of the Master?'' He will suffer untold eternal agonies for saying that.


---

Thank you Pat, love the way you put it. I quoted the last part of your post. I couldn't agree more.
Love,
Mercedes

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 04:43:37 (EDT)
From: John Keats
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: all ye know on earth, and all ye need to know
Message:
From Ode on a Grecian Urn

When old age shall this generation waste,
Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe
Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou say’st,
Beauty is truth, truth beauty,”—that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.

Posted by
JohnT
- never a premie

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 01:12:38 (EDT)
From: Ian Dury
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Please don't miss this
Message:
Over on Life's Great, suchabanana has an amazing series of posts under the thread '4 holi pwk meditation mantras'.

Really incredible, suchabanana!

EV Monitors- WARNING! If you read the above-mentioned posts, you will probably end up leaving the cult!

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 02:14:49 (EDT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Ian Dury
Subject: thanks.Now,next shift at LG,someone, please?! haha
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 00:22:32 (EDT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: All
Subject: angels: take a wing-man to LG
Message:
I think occasional ex-prem partying and sharing da maha truthful cult information even with da predictable lobotomized flamer premies at LG is important, in the process of ongoing premie and aspirant truth outreach and the divine rescue mission of da betrayed trusting souls...

r.e. da cult: da lucky ones left before bowing and surrendering their lives before m's photo, and some got kn and just took off on their own, w/o any deeper cult involvement. also, the come-latelys missed the doodoo heavy heavyduty maha googoo cult shit.

circa 90's was setting up all the empty cult chairs each week at videos, putting away the empty chairs...

Note: angels going to LG: take a wing-man. they got some MIGs [misguided missile idiot gurupies]

if premies [er, pc is pwk, folks, what's a premie - a premature baby, or what?] wanna come here, let 'em -- exes can surely more than hold their own with truth and grace and wit and style. and it's a blessed sight to see exes and affected premie families get together to party and share truth and wisdom over at Life's Great, too, in spite of some lobotomized flaming premies.hate.htm. hahahehehoho

You know, the more exes and questioning premies and aspirants at LG and here, the merrier. Let's have some real consciousness raising. Who's afraid of da big bad wolf?

I encourage all exes and concerned premie relative families to check in here regularly and to also visit Life's Great forum and weigh in there with your insightful observations, concerns, and experiences.

Peace and lentils,

Peace and lentils,

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 19:15:43 (EDT)
From: Gina
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: Roger that, Such, bogies @ all o'clock's!
Message:
I'm not one of the angels, but I just came back from my first venture over to LG where I've just finished reading your entire thread. Wow. I gotta say I hear your point, encouraging participation at LG, loud and clear. Not sure this is for a trash-talkin forum rookie, though, at least not without a helmet and a flak jacket...tough crowd!

Looked like about 24 hours? I hope you got some good sleep after! Much thanks to you and anyone else who steps across that line and just tells the truth and hangs on through the barrage.

Respect and Love,
Gina....... who is such a forum rookie that when I previewed this message and it wasn't divided into the paragraphs I thought I'd written, I never could figure it out, sorry...and yet, there you go...reason enough that you might not want the likes of me over on LG trying to post in a serious debate, eh?! Geez, here I mustered the courage to come back to the forum and can't get the hang of the new thang. Or maybe just can't hang!

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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 19:52:17 (EDT)
From: David
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: This is as it is
Message:
I notice below that I've been asked to block someone. I should say that I'm not prepared to run a heavily moderated forum and if you want a heavily moderated forum, someone else must come forward who is acceptable to people and take over this forum.

This isn't a negative post. What I'm saying is that I am too busy with my own life to worry about posts here from premies who people don't like. I realise some people will find that unacceptable and will want a 'proper' forum admin who will protect people from posters who you don't like or want here.

It all depends on what one's philosophy is regarding the internet. Mine is that online forums are impossible to control and 'make safe'. I believe that the more one tries to stifle dissenting or distasteful opinions, the more one narrows oneself down to a little club of like-minded people.

I prefer a broader and more risky approach. I prefer the opinions to come, as they are from the people who read the forum or webpage and I prefer no safety net because without a safety net, a new dimension is reached in understanding all of the varying and conflicting opinions.

Also, without a safety net, more impassioned feelings are voiced.

I'm not interested in arguing my way of thinking to you and I've made no secret of it before. This forum will continue as it is, which is pretty much uncensored until people themselves are prepared to either take over, lock stock and barrel with a more moderated forum or start their own moderated forum which can supercede this one as the main ex-premie forum.

This is not a problem. At least I have given people a breathing space to stop and reflect on what it is they want from a place such as this.

In short, this place stays as it is now, virtually uncensored with no blocks on premies or people who some people find distasteful and stay it will until someone or some people come up with something better and more acceptable to the whole.

At such time, I will bow out gracefully without any bad feeling but pleased that I at least have added my bit to the saga of the forums and history of the online premies and ex-premies.

David Simpkiss.

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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 21:44:59 (EDT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: David
Subject: 'a bit'? You mean a royal lot! [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 19:57:08 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: David
Subject: Re: This is as it is - and it is okay
Message:
Actually when I agreed with Anth about banning the troll I was simply stating my outrage and that is all I really wanted to express. Like you I beleive the net is impossible to control. Perhaps I will express my outrage differently next time.
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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 21:31:29 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: PatC
Subject: Pat - as I see it banning a troll...
Message:
Banning a troll is no worse than, say, asking an unwelcome guest to leave your houseparty (or restaurant ? ;))

Nothing to do with freedom of speech or human rights or whatever. They can set up a cool Troll Page or prasadam restaurant elsewhere and deny your human rights in return (mega - ouch!)

Disruptive behaviour (like the internet itself) may be impossible to control but you can nevertheless limit its impact on your common-interest group - which, after all, is all we are. No big deal. An ex-loosers club.

When I was FA on forum V a while back, I deleted volumes of unreadable gibberish spam posts before most readers even noticed they were there. Without a measure of control (preferably with the consent of site users) and clearly specified posting guidelines Forum 6 will swiftly become dysfunctional. For sure.

Am I volunteering for the job? Gawd - I am not sure anyone would trust my integrity any more. But if I did it, I could not be anonymous - anonymity in high places only fuels paranoia, and we have seen more than enough of that lately. There is no shame in hosting a discussion site on the web or in saying Prem Rawat is not God (I am certain that 99.99999% of the human race might even agree with said sentiment..)

Guidelines and a modicum of control are essential. Thanks for setting this up, Sir D, and ensuring continuity, and thanks for spelling out your own postion here, re. adminning. Fair play to you. The rest of us better sort this out pronto if we want a useable forum to leave to our grandchildren...

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 15:08:54 (EDT)
From: Jennifer
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Nightmare Legacy
Message:
Nigel,
God, I HOPE our grandchildren won't be here. What a nightmare thought THAT is... Jennifer
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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 15:15:18 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Jennifer
Subject: Re: Nightmare Legacy
Message:
I know mine won't be. My children don't even have any interest in gurus. yippeeeee!!!
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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 15:53:28 (EDT)
From: Francesca :C)
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: I have no children, and my dogs ...
Message:
... can't read. Yippee!

love, f

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 13:09:47 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: True Nigel
Message:
Without a measure of control (preferably with the consent of site users) and clearly specified posting guidelines Forum 6 will swiftly become dysfunctional. For sure.

I agree. With all the talk about freedom of expression and 'we were under M's authoritarian rule and don't want that here', the point is lost that without a few enforceable guidelines, F6 becomes another Anything Goes. AG serves a purpose but I would prefer F6 to be a bit more focused than that.

Thanks Sir David of Cheddar and a huge thanks to all the past perfect, imperfect, pluperfect and future perfect FA's!!!

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 14:47:13 (EDT)
From: Jennifer
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: This Forum reminds me of the TV show 'Survivor'
Message:
I would also like to thank everyone who ever served as FA of this crazy place. It's a lot of work and I, for one, never offered to do it and would never want to. Special thanks to Brian and Katie--you guys worked your asses off on the forums and the ex-premie site. I don't know exactly what happened here lately, but I do know that you guys worked really hard and devoted a lot of your time to helping people here and on EPO, so thanks.

Good luck, Sir David! I hope you don't get voted off of the Island--heh! heh! :)

Sincerely, Jennifer

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Date: Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 15:13:24 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Jennifer
Subject: Hi Jennifer
Message:
Some have been insinuating what happened was simply an 'authority figure' issue, etc.
But it was a lot more complex, and I know I personally have no anger at Katie or Brian and I think we have all worked it out Better a surivor episode once in a while than a stifled censored website where people can't talk freely.
Hope you are well.
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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 22:10:48 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: you were the best FA Nige
Message:
and I don't like the idea of anonymous Fas after the last mess on F5.
But that is me. And I have heard all the arguments as to why they should be anon, ho hum -Whatever!!
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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:08:15 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: You say that to all the FAs
Message:
Now selene, I'm really hurt. I thought I was your favorite FA of all time. Guess those emails didn't mean a thing.

DO I HAVE TO POST THE EVIDENCE???


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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:17:30 (EDT)
From: SF
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: yes you do
Message:
Anyway I was in the loony bin during your stint or was it in between when you gave it to Roger?
I know nothing.
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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:28:18 (EDT)
From: gErRy
Email: None
To: SF
Subject: Gave it to Roger? Roger???
Message:
Anyway I was in the loony bin during your stint or was it in between when you gave it to Roger?
I know nothing.


---

I was going to post the EVIDENCE but I just took a nap and I had this dream were this ex-ex-premie came and killlled my family. Not me or Patty or Bocephus or Uncle Spunkle but everyone else. It was terrifying.

And that's why I'm not going to present the EVIDENCE.

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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:36:39 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: Actually, Anth was the best FA...
Message:
Like me, he prefers to do sweet FA most of the time.

Hi Anth - did I wake you up?

Stuff going down here...

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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:31:58 (EDT)
From: SF
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: it was really more like R and R
Message:
Really.
And that patch, it had to be surgically removed I could not help it .
I'm nice and good and sweet now.
Surely you are not afraid of me? Or is it Roger you fear?
M did a number doncha think?
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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 22:51:14 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Funny you should say that...
Message:
..but I am biased (and there was usually a couple of us on duty during my tenure so it was probably the other one whose jackboots you really enjoyed ;)

Not to mention I have just surrendered the reins to more worthy causes... Shit, do I have to? It will take at least two or three of us taking turns to make it work. I really don't have the time to do it full-time. Wanna be an admin assistant, Selene - anyone? Gotta think about this and allow others to volunteer or give me the thumbs down. New blood would probably be better.

But kind of you say what you said. Thanks.

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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:05:58 (EDT)
From: SF
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: calling 'our' bluff
Message:
Sure I'll do it. Email me details. b)
I like that (B)ob head, I named it
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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:18:55 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.yhk
To: SF
Subject: Re: calling 'our' bluff
Message:
I wasn't fishing for praise or calling your bluff, Selene. I am attracted to doing it again - provided proper guidelines are established etc. At the same time, I am very aware of the time commitment involved to do it properly. Do I have your email?

How did you do that blob head thing?

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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:38:03 (EDT)
From: SF
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: this email bounced nige
Message:
solly are you sure you posted it ok? I tried uk w/o h still bounced.
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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:46:59 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: SF
Subject: I am not surprised..dyslexic fingers..
Message:
..this time of night. Try correct address above b)
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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:21:24 (EDT)
From: SF
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: did I say r)ob oh I mean Blob
Message:
I mean Bob
it's a right paren and a b
b paren but if you put a left paren in front of it all it kinda looks like he has a bit of hair left on his po little ole ead, or else he just got hit by a baseball bat or somefin.
I'll email
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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:25:49 (EDT)
From: SF
Email: None
To: SF
Subject: this editor made me do it
Message:
wanted to make a new head. nevermind.
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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:13:19 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: SF
Subject: go for it Selene and Nige
Message:
I could not stand the anonymity of FAing. But I do think oldtimers are best as they are more trusted. Yes, I agree with certain limitations but don't feel that I can ask Dave to do something that I would not - spend too much time worrying about the forum.
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:24:23 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: PatC
Subject: Sorry, I can't do it...
Message:
I have just been told my teaching workload is to increase by 30% this coming year. Spending less time here is no longer optional. I will have to spend a LOT less time here.

But for anyone willing to get involved, may I suggest the following structure and guidelines:

- A team of at least 3, preferably 4 admins sharing equal status. First four volunteers get the job (at Sir D’s discretion. Obviously premies do not qualify)

- Set up a rota with each duty admin working one week in four per month.

-Anonymity for FA’s optional.

-Duty admin makes the big decisions about blocks and bans.

-Non-duty admins are also on-duty whenever they happen to be online, but only for minor decisions regarding the editing or removal of guideline-breeching posts.

-When an admin quits, invite volunteers and have a free vote among the other three admins (or how about a free vote open to people who have posted Journeys on the main EPO site – set up a committee of same and do it by email ..? – a bit more like democracy, perhaps?)

- Anonymous Fa’s could call themselves FA1, FA2, FA3 and FA4 if they liked. It might help newbies understand why the FA’s style keeps changing.

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:27:42 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Nigel
Subject: And my suggested guidelines
Message:
The ID Rule: One name or alias per poster. Temporary joke aliases permissible provided the context makes it clear no deception is intended.

The Gloved Fist Rule: Anonymity is fine and will be respected. However, anonymous posters flaming named individuals in a manner the FAs consider intimidating may be asked to negotiate their future participation with the admins.

The Djuro Rule: Excessive disruptive posts from people clearly not intending to take part in on-topic discussions may be given the choke-collar, ie. something like three posts per day, or 1000 words – whichever is the greater. (and maximum one thread post per day?)

The Absolute and Totally No Exceptions Rule: No threats.

The Stop Wasting Our Time With Your Hobbies Rule: Off-topic posts should be marked ‘OT’

The Outing Rule: no revealing of personal details of forum participants without their consent. No revealing of personal addresses or home telephone numbers of any member of homo sapiens. (Primates are fair game)

The Linking rule: linking to sites which breech the Outing Rule is probably impossible to control, given the permanent link to Anything Goes, but FA’s may remove posts relating to forum participants so exposed, at the victim’s request.

The Warmonger Rule: No OT threads whose only purpose is to flame or personally attack another forum participant. (‘Attack’ here does not mean the same as ‘challenge’ – which is fine - but a challenge should not be OT.)

The Kindly Take It Elsewhere Rule: Threads which the FAs deem to be satsang only (rather than genuine discussion about M or K) may be removed on humanitarian grounds.

The For God’s Sake Show a Bit of Sensitivity Rule: asking known victims of Jagdeo explicit questions relating to their sexual abuse, or otherwise obsessing about same, will not be tolerated.

The Fuck Off And Die Rule, Paragraph 17a, subclause (iii): anyone who pisses off the admins once too often is out on their ear without further discussion.

** all rules to be applied without bias towards premies or exes **

Best,
Nige (who has probably broken a fair few of these in his time, but is currently working on ‘How to be a Fascist’)

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 14:07:23 (EDT)
From: Louella Parsnip
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Sounds good to me...
Message:
... Not unsimilar to my own guidelines:

You may be kind and feed the feral cats on the back porch or in the barn, but don't let them into the house where they will bring in fleas, scratch the furniture or spray on the carpet. If they've been ''fixed'' and de-fleaed, that's different. But they still need to me domesticated and housebroken to enjoy the comforts of living in a house, without spoiling it for other house dwellers.

Let varmits and critters be varmits and critters, but don't let them into the hen-house. Keep a proper House Cat to keep mice and rats out of the kitchen and the pantry.

Some might call that facism, but I call it common sense. I don't enjoy mouse turds in my food, or animal feces on the carpet.

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 13:05:12 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Ok, how about... (response to CW below)
Message:
1. The All Posts Will Be Deleted Just To Be On The Safe Side Rule: All posts will be deleted just to be on the safe side.

2. The Bugger Off The Lot Of You Rule: Persons disregarding Rule (1) will be blocked for life (FA's included).

** The above rules will apply equally to premies and ex-premies **

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 11:10:11 (EDT)
From: CW
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Forget it-Too many rules
Message:
Who cares?
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Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 23:19:41 (EDT)
From: SF
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: yeah no more new ex's
Message:
doing FA stuff.
enufs enuf.
so let's keep it on topic - how bout that Worcester Mass cancellation huh?

I'm a brat.

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 14:46:23 (EDT)
From: Francesca :C)
Email: None
To: SF
Subject: Very on topic Selene
Message:
Selene,

Right on about recent exes as FA's and I haven't really focused on the Worcester cancellation, but yes, very interesting.

I like your kind of brattiness. It's playful and not mean! And you know, the premies that can't handle what we are saying are always telling us to lighten up. What are they going to do about you girl? You are already lightened up, and sassy.

love, f

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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 15:03:15 (EDT)
From: SF
Email: None
To: Francesca :C)
Subject: easy answer
Message:
They accuse me of being stupid , a relic who can't code for shit, a dumbfuck who is aging rapidly along with acquiring a fat ass ... hmmm can't remember the rest, must be that IQ thing. As I told someone here who is new and has received more than her fair share of hate from Glasser, and the more virulent ones from LG, they go after the ones that catch attention, make a strong voice, and OR give out factual information on the cult.
I'm glad you agree about the recent ex / FA thing.
Thanks :)
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 04:13:20 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: SF
Subject: b)
Message:
Totally OT and NS (non sequitur): I'm just experimenting. It seems that in the new thread I just started doing a b) caused one of those head thingies to appear so I'm seeing if it happens again.
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Date: Thurs, Jul 19, 2001 at 04:15:42 (EDT)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: b) PS: Before forewarned!
Message:
Typing a ''b'' followed by a right bracket causes a head to appear. I wrote ''mom was a slob'' in parentheses and got (mom was a slob)
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