Ex-Premie Forum 6 Archive
From: Jul 14, 2001 To: Aug 22, 2001 Page: 2 of: 5


gerry -:- I won't be posting much for a while -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:35:23 (EDT)
__ Hadijah -:- Re: I won't be posting much for a while -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:42:04 (EDT)
__ Silvia -:- YOUR WISHES ARE ORDERS TO ME -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:45:21 (EDT)
__ __ Selene -:- ha ha having gerry's number -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:58:13 (EDT)
__ __ __ Silvia -:- don't you have mediaone? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:03:49 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Selene -:- no don't you have mediaone -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:24:57 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Question : what does this M quote *mean* -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:57:29 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Silvia -:- I'll tell you -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:28:53 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Freedom's Just Another Word... -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:25:06 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- my interpretation -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:14:55 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- your interpretation rocks, Selene! :) -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:44:04 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- it was inspired grrrr -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:29:06 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Silvia -:- Good one hahahahhaa -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:35:32 (EDT)

Sir Dave -:- If I hear from stopcyberstalkers -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:40:57 (EDT)
__ Pat:C) -:- Another innocent third party damaged -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:16:00 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- The cyberstalkiers need to be stopped -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:15:28 (EDT)
__ Selene -:- did you try the addresses -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:34:44 (EDT)
__ Joe -:- You have to take a stand, Dave -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:07:18 (EDT)
__ Roger eDrek -:- Your leaving will be a major loss! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:07:13 (EDT)
__ hamzen -:- Before you do that Sir D -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:44:19 (EDT)
__ __ Silvia -:- Worse for HIM, that is -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:59:32 (EDT)
__ __ __ hammy -:- Luv ya you old punk you :) -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:13:05 (EDT)
__ Silvia -:- Why Sir David, WHY? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:21:31 (EDT)
__ RichMandrake -:- Please Stand Up to these Cowards... -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:14:06 (EDT)

hamzen -:- Hate v Hate -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:03:34 (EDT)
__ Carl -:- Slightly OT: What is the Scientologist angle? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:27:34 (EDT)
__ __ Rick -:- Re: Slightly OT: What is the Scientologist angle? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:41:00 (EDT)
__ __ __ Carl -:- Thanks for quick reply. -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:56:33 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Scientology -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:17:13 (EDT)
__ Rick -:- Re: Hate v Hate -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:46:51 (EDT)
__ __ Joe -:- Coming from insecurity and frustration -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:38:25 (EDT)
__ __ __ Rick -:- Re: Coming from insecurity and frustration -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:19:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Re: Coming from insecurity and frustration -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:45:22 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Rick -:- Re: Coming from insecurity and frustration -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:27:40 (EDT)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Joe, You hit the nail on the head! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:54:32 (EDT)
__ __ hamzen -:- Obviously the kn and grace didn't work for therm -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:41:03 (EDT)
__ __ __ Rick -:- web site -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:09:22 (EDT)
__ Bjørn E -:- A question -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:40:37 (EDT)
__ __ hamzen -:- Duh Bjorn -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:34:25 (EDT)
__ __ __ Bjørn E -:- Duh Hamzen -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:00:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Silvia -:- You are disturbed dude -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:42:53 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Dermot -:- FUCK OFF BJORN back to your fucking cult [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:32:31 (EDT)
__ Joey -:- Re: Hate v Hate -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:12:03 (EDT)

Silvia -:- maharaji about 'The Thief' -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 09:56:49 (EDT)

JHB -:- Some much needed humour -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 09:08:57 (EDT)

JHB -:- Does anyone know Pam Miles? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:41:55 (EDT)
__ Bjørn E -:- Just a question John -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:55:36 (EDT)
__ Francesca ~) -:- MORE PRESSURE to get .. -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:19:28 (EDT)
__ __ Jim -:- This calls for Brian and Katie! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:26:33 (EDT)
__ Joe -:- Completely agree with Jim and Way -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:50:25 (EDT)
__ __ Silvia -:- And EV needs to add -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:35:29 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- Demand information! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:45:48 (EDT)
__ __ Jim -:- Oh yeah, how could I forget? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:51:55 (EDT)
__ Way -:- Interesting request -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:10:48 (EDT)
__ __ Silvia -:- JM is in the US -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:42:18 (EDT)
__ __ Way -:- p.s. -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:15:35 (EDT)
__ Silvia -:- Pam Miles? maharaji's umbrella -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 10:04:13 (EDT)
__ salam -:- Re: Does anyone know Pam Miles? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:52:59 (EDT)

Annie -:- Too Messy For Me -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:39:59 (EDT)
__ Deborah -:- Re: Too Messy For Me -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:18:50 (EDT)
__ Dermot -:- Good luck Annie -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:03:19 (EDT)
__ Selene -:- on announcing leaving -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:51:58 (EDT)
__ hamzen -:- Just a few comments Annie -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:59:25 (EDT)
__ __ Annie -:- Re: Just a few comments Annie -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:15:12 (EDT)
__ __ __ annie -:- no really I'm gone [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:16:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Silvia -:- Re: no really I'm gone -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:11:21 (EDT)
__ Joe -:- Yes, life is messy sometimes -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:26:13 (EDT)
__ Rick -:- question -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:22:36 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- You're a fool -- or a ringer -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:28:39 (EDT)
__ __ annie -:- Re: You're a fool -- or a ringer -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:25:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Like I said, get lost -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:34:29 (EDT)
__ __ __ Joey -:- Re: You're a fool -- or a ringer -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:39:42 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ annie -:- Re: You're a fool -- or a ringer -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:11:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Joey -:- bye bye Annie :) (nt) -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:22:16 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ annie -:- Yeah whatever! I'm off!! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:00:46 (EDT)
__ __ Joey -:- Mazel Tov! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:39:41 (EDT)
__ Cynthia -:- Fine, Then Go...Sincerely -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:06:46 (EDT)
__ __ annie -:- Re: Fine, Then Go...Sincerely -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:36:35 (EDT)
__ Silvia -:- GO AWAY -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 10:07:05 (EDT)
__ __ annie -:- OOOh you're so nice!!! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 10:24:54 (EDT)
__ __ __ Silvia -:- Nasty' Should I praise -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:30:56 (EDT)
__ salam -:- Re: Too Messy For Me -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 09:01:35 (EDT)
__ __ Joey -:- Re: Too RICH For Me -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:36:32 (EDT)
__ __ Annie -:- Re: Too Messy For Me -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 09:40:06 (EDT)
__ __ __ Steve -:- You're right Annie -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:50:29 (EDT)
__ __ __ salam -:- Re: Too Messy For Me -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 10:09:48 (EDT)

Sir Dave -:- I am forced to comply with their wishes -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:38:10 (EDT)
__ Tto -:- You got the wrong email -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 10:53:24 (EDT)
__ Joey -:- Re: I am forced to comply with their wishes -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:53:29 (EDT)
__ don puerco -:- Re: I am forced to comply with their wishes -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:21:08 (EDT)
__ Patrick Wilson -:- Re: I am forced to comply with their wishes -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 06:31:59 (EDT)
__ __ Mr. Mind -:- Another possible solution -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 06:53:11 (EDT)
__ Sir Dave -:- The email bounced back -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:52:09 (EDT)
__ __ salam -:- Re: The email bounced back -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:31:30 (EDT)
__ __ __ salam -:- and -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:47:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ JHB -:- Russia not in EU!!! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 09:20:25 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ salam -:- Re: Russia not in EU!!! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 09:35:19 (EDT)
__ __ Carl -:- The 'alleged stalkers' are being stalked. -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 07:30:16 (EDT)
__ __ __ Patrick Wilson -:- Re: The 'alleged stalkers' are being stalked. -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 07:34:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- thanks for that, Patrick -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:50:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Carl -:- Are you emails getting through? [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 07:38:38 (EDT)
__ __ Patrick Wilson -:- Re: The email bounced back -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 07:10:44 (EDT)
__ __ For the Children -:- Re: The email bounced back -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 07:09:22 (EDT)
__ __ __ don puerco -:- Re: The email bounced back -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 07:52:31 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Silvia -:- I see your joy, you rotten -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:49:52 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ don puerco -:- Re: I see your joy, you rotten -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:39:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ don puerco -:- Re: I see your joy, you rotten -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:28:34 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- What an idiot you are! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:36:24 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ don puerco -:- Re: What an idiot you are! -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:35:27 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ don puerco -:- Re: What an idiot you are! -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:34:19 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ don puerco -:- Re: What an idiot you are! -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:26:33 (EDT)

Tim Matheson -:- OUR LORD MAHARAJI says NO MORE -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:10:15 (EDT)

Salam -:- Anti-Terrorisim and EV -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 00:15:48 (EDT)
__ such -:- what you wrote about Palestinian plight = truth [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:02:24 (EDT)
__ Silvia -:- Pss -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 04:51:41 (EDT)
__ __ salam -:- Re: Pss -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:51:05 (EDT)
__ gerry -:- Salam: the Stink Bomb Terrorist -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 01:05:41 (EDT)
__ __ salam -:- Re: Salam: the Stink Bomb Terrorist -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 01:08:00 (EDT)
__ __ __ Marianne -:- Read your email, Salam -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 01:16:03 (EDT)
__ __ __ gerry -:- Re: Salam: the Stink Bomb Terrorist -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 01:15:38 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ salam -:- Re: Salam: the Stink Bomb Terrorist -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 03:48:21 (EDT)

Mickey the Pharisee -:- I am shocked. -:- Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 23:39:31 (EDT)
__ Pat:C) -:- thanks for the laugh, Mickey [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:55:42 (EDT)
__ Roger eDrek -:- I suppose I could add your expose to my page -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:42:34 (EDT)
__ gerry -:- nice one Mick -:- Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 23:51:32 (EDT)
__ __ Mickey the Pharisee -:- No wonder, Gerry -:- Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 23:57:31 (EDT)
__ __ __ salam -:- Re: No wonder, Gerry -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 00:07:47 (EDT)

Jim -:- Just talked with Dettmers about this -:- Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 23:31:51 (EDT)
__ la-ex -:- Re: talk with MD/unbelievable isn't it? about this -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 00:36:45 (EDT)
__ __ R2 -:- Just one thing LAX -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:15:16 (EDT)
__ __ __ Way -:- Time will tell, R2 -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:05:06 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ R2 -:- Still bogus and unfounded -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:18:55 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Way -:- we're discussing the possibilities -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:35:52 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ R2 -:- More of the 'what'd I do wrong' excuse -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:59:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Way -:- Re: More of the 'what'd I do wrong' excuse -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:36:35 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ R2 -:- Listen Way -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:52:49 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ la-ex -:- Hey R2,chill...we're all after the same thing -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:12:35 (EDT)

Barry -:- Jim! Bangs at it again! -:- Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 22:21:25 (EDT)


Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:35:23 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: gkl1@techline.com
To: All
Subject: I won't be posting much for a while
Message:
I'm too busy creating my new anti-Maharaji website and getting together press releases for the media and pictures and quotes for a package mailings to Rawat's neighbors. Everything is being vetted through a lawyer and will be clean and above board with my name used as the source.

Anyone who would like to help please e-mail me.

Anyone associated with Maharaji and his organization can also email me. They will find me quite cordial and reasonable.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:42:04 (EDT)
From: Hadijah
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: I won't be posting much for a while
Message:
I still have two slide shows from Orlando ... complete with crowns, krishna outfits etc. etc. if you want them.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:45:21 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: YOUR WISHES ARE ORDERS TO ME
Message:
hEY,

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE?

Does Selene has your number?

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:58:13 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: ha ha having gerry's number
Message:
Now didn't you know, he is hard to profile ? :) (just a joke)
No I don't have his number or email but hey ger why not email me and I can email silvia or whatever.
I don't have either one of your latest emails, I don't think.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:03:49 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: don't you have mediaone?
Message:
They better don't put my picture there. You know me.

'THEY' ALL HIDE IN A LITTLE P.O.BOX NUMBER, the cowards. But I can find the Government agencies just fine. I know who is going to laugh last and is not grobber.

Did go rest somewhere? I need few days in the out somewhere. I wish you were closer! :)

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:24:57 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: no don't you have mediaone
Message:
And I go on periodic purges of email usually when I can't find something. Yes I filter and put things in folders etc when I am not busy but after a while it's like the top of my dresser - don't ask!

I went to the mountains. I always forget how beautiful they are, only a 3 and a half hour drive and it's blue spruce, aspen trees, lakes.
I feel like a new person. If they had an airport I think I'd go every weekend during the summer!

I'll call soon and then we can check on your email.
And yeah, they are in for it if they piss you off. But do it in letter writing, your thoughts when you put them down that way are VERY effective, from what you have shown me.
I've got more to say - we'll talk 'live' soon.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:57:29 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Question : what does this M quote *mean*
Message:
'I see that people who call themselves free are totally entrapped, encased in their ideas of what this life is all about. Losing every precious moment as this breath comes, as this possibility slips by...'

'Freedom is not an idea. Freedom is a feeling, and it emanates from within. That's real freedom. Real, real, real, real freedom.'

As pointed out in my bio at the CAC site, my chihuahua sized brain has a tough time wrapping around these words from the Enigmatic One. I know, I know, what I lack in intellect I make up for in sheer hate and volume, not to mention 'ferocity,' but this is simple question. A humble question:

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GOOBERDYGOOK SUPPOSED TO MEAN???

Can anyone tell me? Come on. I'm desperate (snicker)

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:28:53 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: disgustedsilvia@hotmail.com
To: gerry
Subject: I'll tell you
Message:
NOTHING!!

Is a make believe world where whatever gurushit said sounds like something when in reality it takes one more and more NOWHERE>

what a piece of shit!

I want to talk on the phone with you. Here is my address.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:25:06 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Freedom's Just Another Word...
Message:
...for nothin' left to lose...''

Who the fuck knows? I came back today after a brief R&R time and yet another backlash has occurred, this time more evil, more rotten than I ever thought possible.

So, (cough, puke) I went through my ''lila'' box of x-rated materials which I never destroyed even though the LORD ALMIGHTLY commanded me to, and I started to read the bullshit, the nonsense, ignorant bullshit that has puked out of that fucking rawat's mouth for over 30 years.

I don't know what the fuck he's saying:

OTHER THAN THE FACT HE THINKS HE IS THE LORD, JESUS CHRIST, KRISHNA, RAMA, CREATOR, PRESERVER, DESTROYER, JET PLANE EXPERT, WHO GIVES everything TO HIS DEVOTEES IF THEY GIVE HIM EVERYTHING IN RETURN.

I've very insulted they didn't include my name on their hate site. You know why? I have secrets, Gerry. Secrets about that absolute, everloving, eternal Guru Maharaj Ji.

I know stuff that Maharaji did that was illegal at DECA, at serious theft of intellectual property by Maharaji's command from Boeing in Seattle.

I want to discuss this with a few people. But....I am soooooooo scared....my knees are rattling, my heart is palpitating and I can't seem to catch my breath...Only people who have something to hide strike back!

Lots and lots and lots of money....that's what that quote means.

Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:14:55 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: my interpretation
Message:
Don't worry be happy don't think and don't examine and question that most beautiful gift which I have given you even if you don't know what it is don't worry or think, you will understand with each breath you take you will feel it's power it's beauty and this is all you need in this life. If they lock you up, if they take away your videos, your pens and papers and your ability to talk to anyone, you are still free because you can breathe. It's so simple.
And it's all inside you it's yours and by the way I am having another
event at soandso and you will be receiving info on how much it costs and the beauty is you can then be with other people who don't need you or me or anyone either and you can smile at each other about that.

================of course you could==============
do what the marqee de sade did, write with blood and sheets and other types of body materials.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:44:04 (EDT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: your interpretation rocks, Selene! :)
Message:
Love it! Really good stuff!:):)

...always appreciated, especially on a day like today.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:29:06 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: it was inspired grrrr
Message:
thanks Joey. see ya on the latest v.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:35:32 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Good one hahahahhaa
Message:
funny! Right on too.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:40:57 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: If I hear from stopcyberstalkers
Message:
I have emailed stopcyberstalkers again at the correct email address and if I hear from them that they have removed my page from their site immediately, together with the photo of me and my daughter and our address and telephone number - then I will also immediately remove all of my sites which are criticising Maharaji, that is: The Truth About Maharaji and Lord Haharaji's Domain and I will also resign from being the FA here and at Anything Goes and disappear from ex-premie cyberspace forever.

I am willing to do that and will indeed do that.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:16:00 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Another innocent third party damaged
Message:
Sir Dave, like the Patrick Conlon who was mistaken for me and who was never a premie, you have legal rights to seek redress for damage to your daughter in publishing her home address and phone number. I think you should consult a lawyer and think about confronting Rawat personally with his irresponsible endangerment of an innocent child.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:15:28 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: The cyberstalkiers need to be stopped
Message:
NOT you.

This is BLACKMAIL, ENDANGERMENT TO A MINOR, LIBEL, AND CYBERSTALKING causing endangerment to anyone listed. Don't lose sight of that!

I emailed you.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:34:44 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: did you try the addresses
Message:
NI and I suggested? check email.
I support you in whatever decision you make.
Being a parent puts a whole new perspective on things.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:07:18 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: You have to take a stand, Dave
Message:
I know you must feel really violated that your daughter's picture is being used by some very immoral and unethical people, but the person who is doing it will only be encouraged to do it to you and more people if he gets what he wants by scaring you into no standing up for your, and your daughter's, rights.

I think we have to assume that Elan Vital is behind that website, actively encouraging it, unless they do something to try to change what's on there.

I really agree what John should make a LINK to that website from this one, with a commentary about this is what cult members will stoop to to try to keep people from talking about the former Lord of the Universe in ways that are less than flattering.

It sure show how terrified they are of us. Who would have thought that premies and Elan Vital would believe that ex-premies have the power, just by making posts on the interenet to so damage the all-powerful, living Perfect Master. It's just amazing.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:07:13 (EDT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Your leaving will be a major loss!
Message:
Oh, Sir Dave, say it ain't so!

How evil they are striking such a low blow and forcing our brightest and best fighters for truth, justice and the American way (ok, the Anglo way) into submission and resignation. A great loss, indeed!

We need to get in touch with the Electronic Frontier Foundation to get to the bottom of this and put a quick end to this. This is libelous crap and it is not protected speech. Remember the EFF helped me keep House of Maharaji Drek online after their bogus attack on me. My site was protected by free speech because Maharaji is a public figure. You, Sir Dave, I'm sorry to say, are not a public figure.
[ Electronic Frontier Foundation ]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:44:19 (EDT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Before you do that Sir D
Message:
hopefully you'll give us at least 24 hours notice to sort stuff out.

Do have some sympathy with your reaction, always felt it would come down to those kinds of tactics when the desperation set in, in a couple of years it could get worse..

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:59:32 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: Worse for HIM, that is
Message:
Hi Ham!

Look, the bottom line is that they attack because they are losing, and good; it shows in the numbers. EV has to beg premies to assist to programs just to fill the space, as they did few years, three, a go in Montreal, Canada.

Are we afraid to fight? We have rights! We were violated by the MASTER, didn't we? He lied to us so, so good.

No mercy! In the name of truth,

silvia

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:13:05 (EDT)
From: hammy
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: Luv ya you old punk you :)
Message:
Hopeless bunch aren't they, have theybstirred up a hornets nest now, serves 'em right.

Big Boy must be well pissed off, if the SF gay rights crowd get going he's in for some BIG shit.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:21:31 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Why Sir David, WHY?
Message:
Do you really want to do that? Do we have to always, forever kiss the guru's ass? He lied to us. He deceived us to the end and now,directly or indirectly he is doing it again?

Why do you want to leave the internet? Please, don't.

Have anyone e-mailed EV forwarding that page? Have you talk with the other exes who appear there?

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:14:06 (EDT)
From: RichMandrake
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Please Stand Up to these Cowards...
Message:
David...I am Greatly Distressed that you are allowing these cyber thugs to intimidate you....the Truth about Maharaji Site..is a GREAT help and Reference to me...It is only recently that I found out about Maharaji/Rawats offstage Shanaigans...It is very new to me..and my old conditioning is very strong..Your Site..THE TRUTH ABOUT MAHARAJI..is the most concise and clear reference on the net about Mr. Rawats exploits as described by People who were around him..with no obvious motivation to lie....In my attempt to deprogram my Mind from Maharaji's Web..It is something I refer back to ...in moments of weakness...and I am concerned that its absence will be a disservice to me..and others like me...

The Cyberstalker(ironically it is he who is the stalker.) who is pursuing you and other exes.. is cowardly in his attacks on you and others...and cowards always run...when faced with the Truth...I would strongly suggest to you to take a deep breath...and analyse the REAL threat..to you and your family...which is very very small...
It has been stated on this forum that the CyberStalker site is illegal..and as such would most likely be taken down by its ISP..if confronted with its illegality...I would ask you to pursue that avenue..before you destroy such a valuable asset as your TRUTH ABOUT MAHARAJI WEBSITE...

Thank you for listening, Dave...Good Luck to you...and I hope you decide to stand up to these Cyber Cowards...RichMandrake..

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:03:34 (EDT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Hate v Hate
Message:
One of the interesting side issues around this dodgy CAC site is that they are using the very hate tactics they supposedly abhor.

Interesting reading the premie reactions over on Lifes Great too, generally supportive of the CAC site or avoiding of the issue.

First off the only justification for that site that they could argue, is that anything done to protect gm is fair, because he is above everything.
It's the only justification.
The same ole lila shit which supposedly is no-longer there, not even in the background. What a joke.
Why else post phone numbers & photographs, cover up gm's role in all of this, mix in a couple of genuine cyber-stalkers. It's so Scientology.

When it comes down to it, and considering we haven't seen one reasonable argument against the material on the ex-premie site, it's about pomposity so exposed that it will distort anyway, then say 'that's what you're doing', and hide behind that.
Unbelievable really, the brainlessness of it, but there's premie pride in THE, sorry master, or is it just teacher now, or has he already denied he ever said that already.

But lastly, what has happened to that old chestnut about darkness being an absence, when light steps in it disappears because it isn't an actual thing.
As though we could have any effect here upon such purety.

Don't these people have any faith in maharaji?

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:27:34 (EDT)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: Slightly OT: What is the Scientologist angle?
Message:
Several people recently have referred to some action initiated by Scientologists against their former adherents. I'm just curious about what that action was. Anyone? A quick sentence or two summary is fine.

Pernicious cult behaviour of whatever kind is very instructive as a cautionary, a warning. It is good to review the tactics others have tried.

Thanks,
Carl

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:41:00 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Carl
Subject: Re: Slightly OT: What is the Scientologist angle?
Message:
The Church of Scientology is famous for defaming its critics, particularly former members. They use slander, libel, frivilous lawsuits, intimidation, threats, anything and everything to silence their critics.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:56:33 (EDT)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Thanks for quick reply.
Message:
The Scientologist are also a very scary outfit, with tentacles that reach into political corridors of power in the USA, so I've heard.

'Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom' or something like that. So many groups want to get rich by minding everyone else's mind.

Be well,
Carl

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:17:13 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Carl
Subject: Scientology
Message:
Scientology doesn't even pretend to be anything other than ruthless with people who attack them. They have expensive lawyers, and tons of money. But, there are people on the anti-Scientology side who are also well-financed, and a very large number of ex-Scientology people who think the organization needs to be exposed.

But let's not over-react. That CAC site is laughable. Scientology would never be so stupid to do something that made them look so awful. Premies and Elan Vital aren't playing even on the same continent, let alone the same ballpark.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:46:51 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: Re: Hate v Hate
Message:
It's possible that whoever made this web site thinks that maharaji has been treated unfairly by ex-premies, and that it's fair to treat the ex-premies unfairly. It's sort of pathetic, though, because however little interest there is in maharaji, in this world, there's even less interest in ex-premies. Even more pathetic is how little interest this web site is capable of generating, by portraying ex-premies as generic stalkers and abusers.

When people feel as powerless as premies do to protect maharaji, they strike out to cause damage. It's a last ditch effort to get a little satisfaction.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:38:25 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Coming from insecurity and frustration
Message:
Clearly, if Maharaji didn't want that website to be happening, it wouldn't be. So, one has to assume that Maharaji is feeling quite a bit of anger and frustration about his former followers these days.

I wonder when it hit? I bet when he was forced to go through a customs search in France on the tarmac before he could enter the country. Maharaji isn't used to being humiliated like that and always complained about authorities who don't recognize who he is. I think this is one of ther reasons he won't travel with common mortals, and why he has an encampment in the outback of Australia, where he can be safe and away from people who don't worship him.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:19:21 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Coming from insecurity and frustration
Message:
I think it's probable maharaji does know about it but it's also possible he doesn't. It's not beyond a guy like him to lock himself in a room and not allow visitors. If no one can talk to him, they couldn't inform him.

It's also possible that EV can't identify the author of the website. A loyal cult member might be careful to make sure maharaji and EV couldn't know who created the site. That way, maharaji can't be held liable or responsible. It would just be a case of premies being good soldiers.

But if maharaji does know about the site, he's a scum-sucking bottom-feeder. Never mind... he's one anyway.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:45:22 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Re: Coming from insecurity and frustration
Message:
Even if Maharaji wasn't involved in getting that thing started he does know about it now, or it would be extremely negilgent if he doesn't know. And he and Elan Vital, even if they don't know who the author is, could easily make a public statement disavowing its content and saying they don't approve.

Of course if they don't, silence is tacit complicity.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:27:40 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Coming from insecurity and frustration
Message:
Good point. I can get with that.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:54:32 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Joe, You hit the nail on the head!
Message:
Hi Joe,

This stinky mess is awful, isn't it? When Maharaji was confronted at customs in France my first thought was 'oh man, he must be REALLY, REALLY, REALLY PISSED! Maharaji defers to NO ONE!

It was after that incident that Pia's and Glasser's sites went up.

Yet, thinking further back, when M put his own website online, must first thought then was that he never intended to use it, but wanted HIS site to come up first when anyone did a search with his name on it. Prior to that, I believe EPO came up.

He is such a coward. Unbelievable, how I spent so much time on him!

Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:41:03 (EDT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Obviously the kn and grace didn't work for therm
Message:
Sad isn't really to see the whole pompous bubble deflated so easily that they have no shame left in making themselves look vicious, photo's/phone no's etc, outright lies and fabricated quotes mixed in, and rather, well hateful really.

Since we are full of hate and they are full of hate, k comes out of it looking looking as bad as mr bigboy hisself, roll on phase 2 I sAy.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:09:22 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: web site
Message:
I think it was the intention of the web site creator for most readers to not be aware who created it. It certainly wasn't designed for premies or exes. It probably was designed for people against stalking or abuse, or people who have experienced it (or their loved ones). The exes listed there aren't being accused of dissing maharaji because the author knows no one really cares (other than premies). He's trying to create an audience of the general public to hate the exes for something he believes they have done... harrass maharaji.

The author doesn't have any shame in being vicious because he believes the exes were vicious first. And he doesn't think anyone but exes will know who authored the site. There are no footprints on that site that would identify maharaji to an unassociated visitor.

The only people who will know how dirty the PWK are, are people visiting this site. And the evidence against maharaji is already so daunting it can't really be improved on.

So, in the end, this stopcyberstalking web site has no effect other than just pissing off the exes. Other than that, I think it's ineffective.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:40:37 (EDT)
From: Bjørn E
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: A question
Message:
This web site, which i have not read entirely, is it not also about other people than ex-premies. To me it looks like there are a few other creeps there.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:34:25 (EDT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Bjørn E
Subject: Duh Bjorn
Message:
No more than 2/3 others, we too could put up stuff about combat 18, neo-nazis, demagogues etc and do some fake tie in, like being disempowering, abusive etc etc.

Who are these ex-premies cyber stalking, just mr xxxx, (much worse than a castlemain).

But what about my other points Bjorn?

Over on Lifes Great you didn't seem so anti the CAC site.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:00:39 (EDT)
From: Bjørn E
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: Duh Hamzen
Message:
I am not really interested in the whole thing other than it is interesting that some people take up a problem of our time. Cyberstalking is a problem because there are som mentally disturbed people that can make a lot of harm to other persons.

The exes, I think they deserve it. They have been harrassing people for a long time, and now they can taste their own medicin. It looks like those guys have done a huge job. It is also interesting to see the reactions of the 'victims' from being proud, to indignation, double morality and 'row, row, row your boat'. Seems like they have been taking qoutes from what the 'victims' have posted themselves, and put it into a context, so it is pretty pathetic to attack it.

I am totally indifferent to it, but it is not my style.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:42:53 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Bjørn E
Subject: You are disturbed dude
Message:
Are you going to compare telling the truth to posting pictures of children and telling people to call the FBI if they are seeing?

You need a brain man, I always knew that.

DhuuuuIDIOTIC moronic arguments do not carry truth, but its natural weight: FOR MY FRUITS YOU WILL RECOGNIZE ME.

If that is love I rather hate maharaji, the deceiver.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:32:31 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Bjørn E
Subject: FUCK OFF BJORN back to your fucking cult [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:12:03 (EDT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: Re: Hate v Hate
Message:
Don't these people have any faith in maharaji?
Ham, oddly enough I think they do. Total faith.
It's just that m has so little faith in himself or what he has to offer, that he's willing to allow his premies to be led in this pathetic and perverse direction.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 09:56:49 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: disgustedsilvia@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: maharaji about 'The Thief'
Message:
Prem Pal Rawat, A.K.A. Maharaji, Maharaj Ji, THE MASTER, The Lord of The Universe, God Encarnated, Supreme Power in Person talks in one of his videos about the 'thief'. He refers to our ego as the thief, wich he intends with his indoctrination to destroy, to transform his disciples in mere robots, to used them to enlarge even further his personal assets and to spoil his poor own children buying them expensive cars, support mistress, etc.

His children, who grew up to be crewed up mentally as their father, apperently have serious psychological problems themselves, for obvious reasons: Who can be GOD's encarnated children and grow normally?. As in the case of Prem Lata, who assisted to NA meetings according to her personal then friend, Erik, my son's half brother, she went to NA unable to stay away from drugs on her own. She is involved in the Graphic Art department of Visions, as to justify her incredible high salary, paid by the poor devotees programmed to give all to their LORD, to surrender to him, but whom cannot even afford to go to a doctor as in the case of Kray Crispell. Many of his devotees killed themeselves, thanks to theIR 'SAVIOR'. many have attempted suicide, due to the craziness inculcated by THE MASTER. MANY COULD NEVER STOP USING DRUGS, USING THEM TO lessen the emotional pain of following such a crazy guru. Many have been alcoholics for over 27 years, exact time they have been devotees of maharaji.

Maharaji Lord drives some people insane, and sadistically, he enjoys it, calling his irresponsible acts, LILAS: Games with the living lord. Called in our real world: Mental abuse.

Maharaji has a well know drinking problem and he also smoked (maybe still does) Marlboro red, according to one of her close devotees, whose major pleassure in life is to kiss maharaji's feet, literally. There you have it: GOD smokes.

The thief, the real thief, masks himself as savior of humanity, bringing his devotees to psychological decay. He is an egomaniac, ilussive wanna be GOD, who without remorse, and by lack of brains is attacking our freedom of speech and making fun of our experiencies having left the cult.

He know his ass is on fire and has initiated a campaign against us which needs our response.

If you would like to go to California with me to speak to the Attorney General and Prosecutor Attorney in person, to request an investigation and complete audit about his dirty organization write to me.

'The game has just began.'

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 09:08:57 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Some much needed humour
Message:
Check this out:-)
[ How Maharaji really makes his money! ]
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:41:55 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: jhb@ex-premie.org
To: All
Subject: Does anyone know Pam Miles?
Message:
She has written to me as EPO Webmaster asking me to remove the allegations regarding EV and Maharaji harboring a paedophile. She describes herself as the EV Public Relations Representative.

I am taking advice on further action, but it would be nice to know something about this woman.

John.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:55:36 (EDT)
From: Bjørn E
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Just a question John
Message:
I have no idea about the law in the US. But in Norway if an publisher or editor print libelous and slanderous information about another person, it is a potential sentence for 3 to 6 months in jail. If such case is taken to court by public prosecutors, the burden of proof that the statement is correct is at the hands of the accused, not the person who is libelled. In general the same laws are the same for both internet and 'normal life'

Do you know the laws in Latvia, UK or US?

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:19:28 (EDT)
From: Francesca ~)
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: MORE PRESSURE to get ..
Message:
... truthful information about Maharaji off the Net. Maybe you should talk with Drek and see what Electronic Frontier Foundation did for his site. They can't make you to take information off the Web that is commentary about a public figure, anymore than they can tell a newspaper not to write a story. Even Charles Glasser knows that.

First we have Pia and Charles Glasser site, which led (indirectly) to the blowup of FV. Then we have the Cyberstalkers site putting up their information after they cyberstalked exes. This is all a calculated Holy War to get all opposition to Maharaji offline. I would say e-mail several people who could help you rather than discussing your strategies on this Forum.

Bests, Francesca

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:26:33 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Francesca ~)
Subject: This calls for Brian and Katie!
Message:
Perhaps if only Brian and Katie contacted Boris and the CAC crew they could work something out .......

... sorry, couldn't resist.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:50:25 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Completely agree with Jim and Way
Message:
John,

You are in possession of credible evidence, and so is Elan Vital, that EV knew about Jagdeo years ago when it was reported by Susan to Randy Prouty and Judy Osborne, and when Abi's father reported it to Charanand. The only evidence to refute that is that Randy and Judy say they 'don't remember.' So, it's completely legitimate that you would compile all that testimony on the website about Jagdeo, and EV can respond on its website as well. And you would be completely responsbile to ask for all documentation and evidence to the contrary from Elan Vital before stifling the free speech rights of, especially, Abi and Susan.

And just as an aside, perhaps you could ask Pam Miles why she hasn't responded to my and other requests to remove lies that are on the Elan Vital website, including that Maharaji never claimed to be God, and that the ashrams were for the purpose of fighting the 'drug culture,' just as a start. Perhaps you could make that 'request' to Pam Miles as well.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:35:29 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: And EV needs to add
Message:
that if we didn't kiss HIS feet we were not true devotees and that we were going to rot in hell if we stopped practicing. It should be in his site.,

No, we ex-premies have so, so much on him. Why back off?

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:45:48 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Demand information!
Message:
Ask her for everything. Ask her for a copy of the alleged lawsuit against Jagdeo. Ask her for their 'litigation strategy'. How were they planning to advance this case or take it to trial even without any witnesses? Ask her who she reports to, and for further organizational access. Ask her on what basis EV felt it appropriate to undermine whatever negotiations its lawyer was having with Abi's lawyer by blasting her and her alleged demands in a 'press release'. Ask her where exactly EV disseminated these so-called press releases.

Ask her how we should know that Susan's claim re Prouty and Osborne is untrue? Ask her if it isn't untrue, how Maharaji can deny that he did indeed harbour Jagdeo going back to the early seventies? Ask her, if that's the case, when EV STOPPED harbouring him? Ask her if Maharaji has ever looked her in the eye personally and said that he had no idea that Jagdeo was sexually deviant before Abi and Susan's report.

Ask her why Maharaji should have any credibilty in any event, given his blatant denials about his own past vis-a-vis the EV FAQs and his own website, etc.

Ask her about the many other mahatmas who Maharaji knew were committed sexual assaults and seductions who were privately chastised, if at all, and then put back out on tour as 'saints' only to reoffend, sometimes much more seriously (e.g. Trebinanand).

That's a start anyway.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:51:55 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Oh yeah, how could I forget?
Message:
Ask her what, if anything, EV has done to effect service of their alleged lawsuit on Jagdeo!

Ask her for the names of the last people he had contact with. Names, addresses, numbers. Ask her for his background info, as in family connections, possible places where he might have 'disappeared' to.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:10:48 (EDT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Interesting request
Message:
JHB,

I don't know Pam.

But she has an interesting request, and an interesting first name.

I would remind her that we know for a fact that Abi's father told Charanand about the paedophile in 1985, and yet the paedophile was allowed to continue representing Maharaji, with access to more premie children. I doubt very seriously that Pam needs any reminder about how high-up in EV was Charanand's position at that time and how his position continues today.

I think that there could be a rewrite of the 14 objections letter in regard to Jagdeo. As it stands now, that objection says that two of Rawat's close associates informed him about Jagdeo and that Rawat did nothing to stop him. Those 'two close associates' refer to Judy and Randy. We could add a mention about Judy and Randy's plea of forgetfulness. We could also add the more newly discovered fact about Charanand being informed directly by a victim's father. And then we could say that altough we consider it highly likely that Rawat was in fact informed on several occasions, that the current EV management has requested that we remove this objection from our site.

We would not remove the objection, but have it updated to acknowledge 'their request for removal that we received in August 2001.'

Does Pam offer any specific denials to you, John?

Does Pam request that any of the other 14 objections be removed? If not, it is interesting that they make no request to remove any of the sex, drugs, and rock and roll references, or anything about the hit and run accident, etc.

Please let me know, John, if you want me to rewrite the 14 objections letter in regard to Jagdeo as I outlined above. I would then post the revised objection here and if you approve, I would request that JM make the change.

Thanks.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:42:18 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: JM is in the US
Message:
visiting family members. He called me Saturday and said he'll be away for about a week.

I wonder how he will react to the whole stun. Hilarious, really.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:15:35 (EDT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: p.s.
Message:
You might also inform Pam about the new CAC website and ask her if EV condones that site.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 10:04:13 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Pam Miles? maharaji's umbrella
Message:
maharaji can hide, or try, all he wants, but WE have proof that 'THE SPEAKER is behind all the wishes and actions of EV.

Are you going to believe that HE really didn't harbour Jagdeo? He did. The laws of our societies do not apply to 'THEM'? I don't think so, we don't think so.

Who is she? An accomplice as all the PAMS are. Accomplices asking for money to propagate when in reality, all the cash that I saw with my own eyes dissappear at Long Beach events in a fat briefcase, CASH, and from other DONATION boxes at other 'programmes' went to his pockets. Laundered? Yes. A COMPLETE AUDIT CAN PROVE THAT.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:52:59 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: Does anyone know Pam Miles?
Message:
Don't know her, but she sounds like having birds flying in her head. Poor girl, I don't envey her but?
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:39:59 (EDT)
From: Annie
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Too Messy For Me
Message:
This place just get's sadder. I DON'T TRUST ANY OF YOU PEOPLE. Or any of 'M's cronies, or just anyone I don't personally know.
There are things on that cyberstalkers site about those involved that I really don't like, hey I don't know if are they are all true or not ( very aware that alot of it probably isn't).
Anyway I want nothing more to do with this place against Mr. Rawat.
So -long all of you people. From now on I will learn to deal with this shit on my own and with those closest to me whom I know I can trust.
Now why should I feel fear at saying this, I wish I'd never got involved, I've certainly learnt a valuable lesson......my partner did try to warn me about getting involved with people via the net!
He also tried to get me to question 'M' he was sure right about that stuff, maybe he's just not as naive as me....I'm off to rapidly grow-up, wise-up and have fun with my children, whom I seem to have put in second place to all this!
Annie
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:18:50 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Annie
Subject: Re: Too Messy For Me
Message:
Perhaps you don't realize that Trust is a two-way street. What have you contributed to this site to deserve anyone's trust. NOTHING.

You obviusly have tried to play the game on your terms. That's not what the game is about. You have an opportunity to see what the game is about, why are you attacking the attacked? SUSPICIOUS

Well look at what the EV-il empire built up while people were playing nice. Pretty ugly isn't it? This is not our doing, it is the game of certain premies over at LG. Not us. THEM.

GET IT!

Have you not noticed that we support each other in a healthy way, not a synchronized put-your-fingers-over-your-eyes way.

What you don't understand is that most of the ugly posts are from the psychopremies, maybe that is why you are confused.

I suspect that YOU are trying to do the confusing. I really do.

You insulted A0aoji the other day when he asked a very civil question. You insulted people the first day you got here. You insulted people today.

WHY THE HEADLINES Annie? Why didn't you just go? More fun to make a Thread that everyone can see. Well, we'll respond and sort the WHOLE thing out for the viewing audience.

Don't worry your pretty little head over that, now.

We wouldn't we be here if Maha hadn't been such an EV-il fuck in the first place.

You see, we juxtapose the truth over the spins. That is why we are here. To counter-balance the oppostion. SEE how that works. \

Have a good life :) Don't take any wooden nickels

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:03:19 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Annie
Subject: Good luck Annie
Message:
and good wishes. I'm glad some people feel the need to bring Maharaji and his cult to book but I can see it's not everyones cup of tea even if you've left Maharaji behind.

Do what you feel you must do .....and if you're ignoring your kids ..DON'T :) Some peolpe (not all though) did enough of that stuff in the cult !!

Anyway....pop in once in a while if you ever feel like it.....if not , have a good life !

Cheers

Dermot

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:51:58 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Annie
Subject: on announcing leaving
Message:
Hi Annie
I agree, life is messy!! That's why people get involved in things like cults, to find a nice neat answer to file it all away into.

If you need time to work out your own stuff that is what you should do! Even a decent therapist would say that. The idea is not to encourage dependency.

Just a few things:
Don't let your announcement of leaving keep you from returning if you change your mind or even want to once in a while.
I don't agree that when someone says they are leaving this forum it's for the purpose of attracting attention. It may be true in rare cases but still I disagree with that being the norm. This place has made me very emotional at times and I've spontaneously written some posts that made me cringe later. And, I've announced quitting at least twice that I remember, most likely more.
The net is a hard medium for communication when emotions are charged.

As for the trust issue, well, I've learned it is very wise NOT to trust anyone until you have gotten to know them. I have often been surprised how different people are on line than in person, or even on the phone. But you can still gather information in order to make your own decisions and there will always be new information coming along.

As for the stuff said on that other site, whoever did that took a lot of time to gather a lot of posts and then basically shuffled the deck and chose the ones he/she wanted, some totally out of context. That's nuts, it couldn't happen in a real conversation and the person who wrote that knows this potential for misunderstanding and is using it.

I didn't get a chance to read an of your posts, was on vacation I think. Best of luck to you.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:59:25 (EDT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Annie
Subject: Just a few comments Annie
Message:
Have you been in contact with recent exes, they might be worth trying. Supposedly a less aggressive environment for people feeling vulnerable, especially in the early days away.

I accept how it is for you, but this place is not just a halfway house between being a premie, and being a not-premie with similar beliefs (although there's room for those too). A lot of the people here, have a lot of anger about the disempowering effects of gm, what do you expect them to do?
Keep it to themselves?

That 'niceness' we cultivated as premies is what gm feeds off of, how else could he have spun such a poor version of lila and got away with it for so long to a few people, without that naivete. But that niceness is also a good way of avoiding our shadow sides and living in dreamland, when it';s been there for years it needs thorugh defumigating like fleas in the depth of an old armchair. There is no way of making flea death polite, nice and friendly.

If you change your mind, don't be too embarrassed about returning, we've all done those 'this is the last time I visit this place speech', no big deal.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:15:12 (EDT)
From: Annie
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: Re: Just a few comments Annie
Message:
sorry didn't mean it to be a big speech thing .I honestly am not very into it, just would like to go now and forget about the whole thing.
Get my priorities right with my family cause I've been quite unbearable lately, too stuck into this place, and after what's just kicked-off I'm happy to leave well-alone. Thats all.
Thanks to all that have been quite understanding, and for sharing your experiences, I have learned alot from them. I hope that there is success in bringing the truth about 'M' to light and hope it is done in the calmest way possible, as that would have more chance of a good result.
See ya!.......Annie.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:16:50 (EDT)
From: annie
Email: None
To: Annie
Subject: no really I'm gone [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:11:21 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: annie
Subject: Re: no really I'm gone
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:26:13 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Annie
Subject: Yes, life is messy sometimes
Message:
Facts and the truth and questioning why we believe what we do is confronting sometimes, and uncomfortable, but it's what makes life great.

Who said that an unexamined life isn't worth living?

It's just easier sometimes to recoil from dealing the deep-seated, and ill-founded beliefs. But I think sometimes what we don't see is that those beliefs keep us stuck, and unable to grow. That's what happens to premies in my opinion, which I can only say because it happened to me.

It wasn't until I looked at the somewhat unpleasant fact that Maharaji wasn't at all what he proclaimed himselt to be, what others proclaimed him to be, and what I believed he was, that I got unstuck. Do what you feel you have to do, and if you don't think you have been always treated curteously, sorry for that, but don't give up and go back into a shell, Annie. Please don't do that.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:22:36 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Annie
Subject: question
Message:
What's the quickest and most effective way to get attention if you're:

1. a spouse or significant other
2. someone's child
3. an associate at a job
4. an employee
5. in a club or organization

Answer: Say you're leaving...

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:28:39 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Annie
Subject: You're a fool -- or a ringer
Message:
You're either a fool or putting us on. In either event, get lost.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:25:21 (EDT)
From: annie
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: You're a fool -- or a ringer
Message:
You're either a fool or putting us on. In either event, get lost.


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What's so foolish about not wanting to be involved in such a mess, I'm no activist never wanted to be, fine for you if that's what you choose, but cause I'm not, that doesn't make me a lesser individual or a fool. Also I am not putting you on, I am still finding this whole thing very hard to deal with at times.
Maybe it was too much that I said I don't trust any of you, but at the end of the day ....how can I? I don't know you, any of you I'm walking blind through this and can only go with my gut feeling.....that very same feeling that got me out of the'M' thing in the first place, and just now with all this stuff blowing up, that feeling is telling me it's not good it's not supportive it's even destructive. No matter if it is just scandal, (i'm sure most of it is.....the cyberstalkers stuff.) Whatever I just don't feel It's what I want to be involved in.
I have from some people had some very good info and advice, but there is still just too much hardcore stuff going on, I don't need it and I'm sure there are many others here reading that feel this way too, especially any like me who are only just out!
I'm not the hardest person on the planet and much does affect me, some of you people are just too harsh! Call me what you like but I don't have to be this way and that does not make me weak!!
Obviously I know I don't have to come here, but I chose to and many others like me will come too, but because of the kind of thing that goes on here they will be quickly put-off. This doesn't really do much for what you are trying to acheive, I've heard it already from people that have looked...there's just too much hatred/scandal etc.
It becomes hard to believe!!
There's not enough humanity.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:34:29 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: annie
Subject: Like I said, get lost
Message:
You've got the premie disease of rank superficiality. There is nothing I hate more in people. Nothing. You can go straight to hell for all I care. I hear it's peaceful there, by the way, and everyone trusts everyone.

This site is the result of a number of people standing up for the truth and confronting a fraudulent cult leader and any of his followers who choose to defend him. If you're legit at all about who you say you are, then this site and those of of who've contributed to it over the years have helped you immeasurably. We set the ball in motion that you're benefitting from. So what? So a bunch of stupid-ass cult members make some stupid-ass attempt to discredit us and you're disgusted by the whole thing? Like I said, fuck you. You're a selfish, myopic ingrate. Get lost.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:39:42 (EDT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: annie
Subject: Re: You're a fool -- or a ringer
Message:
Obviously I know I don't have to come here, but I chose to and many others like me will come too, but because of the kind of thing that goes on here they will be quickly put-off. This doesn't really do much for what you are trying to acheive, I've heard it already from people that have looked...there's just too much hatred/scandal etc.
It becomes hard to believe!!

And that's exactly what the cult is trying to achieve in their pathetic cloning of scientology tactics. Distort the debate in such a manner that it all 'becomes hard to believe.'

But right now Annie or whoever you are, I'm still having a hard time believing YOU, no matter how much dancing or prancing you do on this page.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:11:46 (EDT)
From: annie
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: Re: You're a fool -- or a ringer
Message:
well we are understanding one thing......
Regular people like me do not stand a chance here!!
You have to be a die-hard to see this place through......frankly I've better things to do with my life.......far more rewarding.
So take your 'I HATE MAHARAJI ' campaign and go shove it along with your remarks........ 'JOEY' 'Dancing and prancing???' HU!
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:22:16 (EDT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: annie
Subject: bye bye Annie :) (nt)
Message:
huhg
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:00:46 (EDT)
From: annie
Email: None
To: Joey
Subject: Yeah whatever! I'm off!!
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:39:41 (EDT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Mazel Tov!
Message:
You're either a fool or putting us on. In either event, get lost.


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I actually agree with you!

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:06:46 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Annie
Subject: Fine, Then Go...Sincerely
Message:
I've never talked to you here but I have to point one thing out and that is I cringe when people speak in ''absolutes.''

By that, I mean when someone says: ''Everybody always says...,'' or ''People can never change...,'' or ''I don't trust any of you people.''

Absolutes. If you're afraid, fine, then go. In doing so you are accomplishing exactly what Maharaji and his pack of slimeballs want you to do. Of course, if you're taking time away from your family to be here, that's a good choice.

However, this place isn't for all people. Individuals here are not all tied together in a group.

So go, good luck in working the whole becoming an ex thing.

It's no big deal.

Best,
Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 12:36:35 (EDT)
From: annie
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: Fine, Then Go...Sincerely
Message:
I've never talked to you here but I have to point one thing out and that is I cringe when people speak in ''absolutes.''

I realise that my comment was not the best and yes not everyone here is the same.
But as I said in a post just now to Jim, I'm walking blind to this and all I can really rely on is the same gut feeling that got me out of the 'M' thing, that feeling is now telling me to get out of this place, that's all.
I'm not doing what 'M' and his slimeballs want me to do, I'm doing what I want to do, I'll never be suckered back into his thing, I'm not saying you people are wrong, I'm just saying I don't like how some of you operate and I don't like the spin-offs from this operation.
Now I feel what's the point in saying all this I'm expendable after all am i not? Who actually gives a shit anyway!!

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 10:07:05 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Annie
Subject: GO AWAY
Message:
WEAK CULT MEMBER: Some of our family members are in danger, you, robotic wanna be nothing.

Get a brain and then take some logic classes. It seems you have reach a flat wabe. Who are you, anyway? I gave my complete name here, as many did. You, ANNIE. HAHAHAHAHAHA

JSCA

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 10:24:54 (EDT)
From: annie
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: OOOh you're so nice!!!
Message:
WEAK CULT MEMBER: Some of our family members are in danger, you, robotic wanna be nothing.

Get a brain and then take some logic classes. It seems you have reach a flat wabe. Who are you, anyway? I gave my complete name here, as many did. You, ANNIE. HAHAHAHAHAHA

JSCA


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Hmmmmm that's very supportive silvia!!!
I suppose you are just exposing the true name of the game here......
Get nasty or piss off!!
Well I'll leave you to your nastyness of course as I am certainly in no need of being part of it. It's soul destroying.
As for being a weak cult-member....Oh how wrong you are.....And how easily others like me will be put off after reading the trash that you just spewed-out.
you are crazy!!!
(the reason i'm still here is that I reconed I may need to defend myself......and hey what do you know!!)

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:30:56 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: annie
Subject: Nasty' Should I praise
Message:
the one who 'jailed' me for 26 years with his deceiving scare tactics, dressed up as 'rotten vegetables promise'?

Give me a big brake. I am human and today I welcome the many healthy emotions which kept my body sick during all those years. I'm helthier than ever, really.

Life is a combination of ALL and to want to live protected in a 'all sweet, pink world' makes a person become something very strange. I rather experience all, even healthy anger expressing, as if to say: You fat guru did not have my permission to violate my soul. YOU BASTARD!

See? It is easy, healthy, natural as my breath coming in and out. Do you know he curses? Oh, my, I am sure you do not know a lot of what goes on behind the 'courtains'. Is all a show, you know? Not real honey. Not real.

LIFE IS ALL!

Good luck to you! Sincerely. No offense.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 09:01:35 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Annie
Subject: Re: Too Messy For Me
Message:
will you stop talking yourself out of it. you got to be blind not to see what is going on. Well let me explain it to you.

EV wants to shut us up because they don't want us to say all the things that we know about maharaji. the exes don't live in a dream world where maharaji resids and evrything is honcky doory. when you wake up to yourself you want to tell everyone to avoid getting close or near any brainwashing organization which EV is part of. EV is losing big times, people don't belive them anymore, propagation is nearly stalled and the coffers are running dry. By shuting us down they will have a free hand to do what the want. Now if you want to go and cry go and do it, no one is stoping you, but you can also grow some balls, stand on your own legs and claim to yourself and everyone else that YOU ARE FREE, otherwise your wasting your time pssy footing.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:36:32 (EDT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Re: Too RICH For Me
Message:
EV is losing big times, people don't belive them anymore, propagation is nearly stalled and the coffers are running dry.

Salam,

It's always been the position of m's accomplices that the 'coffers are dry.' That way they maintain a psychological pressure on premies to keep up their donations.

Fact of the matter is that here in Canada where accountability measures for organizations such as Ev are among the most stringent in the world, EV has TRIPPLED it's financial take from premies since 95 to just under $1 million in 2000. (Of course, IMO, EV plays around with anonymous cash donations and I suspect the figure to be higher than reported.)

It's interesting that in Europe money can be moved around more easily from country to country. I believe that's why EV in the UK has shown decreasing financial figures, and I'm quite sure that the cult would like all the premies to believe that the UK situation (as reported in John T's site) is typical and that they're indeed strapped for cash.
For all we know the decreasing financial figures for the UK may therefore be just a ploy of the cult.

Of course with EV being so secretive about their financial situation, and the way m can spend money like shit going through a goose, who knows what their precise financial situation is these days?

But I have no doubt that they've been sucking up money from premies like never before, to protect their goober under attack from those 'drug crazed and hate mongering exes.'

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 09:40:06 (EDT)
From: Annie
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Re: Too Messy For Me
Message:
will you stop talking yourself out of it. you got to be blind not to see what is going on. Well let me explain it to you.

EV wants to shut us up because they don't want us to say all the things that we know about maharaji. the exes don't live in a dream world where maharaji resids and evrything is honcky doory. when you wake up to yourself you want to tell everyone to avoid getting close or near any brainwashing organization which EV is part of. EV is losing big times, people don't belive them anymore, propagation is nearly stalled and the coffers are running dry. By shuting us down they will have a free hand to do what the want. Now if you want to go and cry go and do it, no one is stoping you, but you can also grow some balls, stand on your own legs and claim to yourself and everyone else that YOU ARE FREE, otherwise your wasting your time pssy footing.


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Thought it might be interesting waiting for any replys.
Well Salam, I do see what's going on to a certain degree, but that doesn't change the fact that I DON'T KNOW YOU PEOPLE AND THERE IS NO WAY I HAVE TO TRUST ANY OF YOU.
Cry???!! Who say's I'm crying, what kind of a tactic is that supposed to be anyway?
As for growing balls......well I'm quite happy remaining the woman that I am!
As for claiming that I am free....I know I am!! and will display this to those concerned in a way which I feel fit, so as not to put them down for being into 'M' etc. cause I will always remember.....I was there once!!!
'pssy footing'!! No Salam .....you are so not with it, maybe you should wise-up!!

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:50:29 (EDT)
From: Steve
Email: None
To: Annie
Subject: You're right Annie
Message:
I felt exactly the same as you at one time. It was the begimming of the new millenium when I found this ste and broke away from Maha after 28 yrs of varying degrees of involvement. I won't reiterate everything you've said but my feelings were pretty much identical to yours. I backed off from the forum because it was too harsh for my sensitive state at that time.

It's not a bad idea for you too sit back a while and let the dust settle. I joined the forum called recent exes which isn't so political and more aligned with a recent exiters need to discuss some of their questions and confusions.

Recent exes is password protected and personal attacks are not part of the deal there. You're right that you don't know who can be trusted on these public forums but there are some great people who post here and also the tone of this forum changes frequently. Tune in now and then for there will be posts that you can relate to. Jim, Joey and jerry were very hard on me when I expressed how I felt at that time .

Don't worry too much freedom creeps up on you slowly and then it explodes . I'm grateful for this forum and all I went through in leaving for now there's a clarity I'd never felt before.

Best wishes
Steve

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 10:09:48 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Annie
Subject: Re: Too Messy For Me
Message:
Very nice, I like to be told off by someone like you. Well that was supposed to be pussy footing, sheesh, typo sucks.

Hey no one is asking you to trust anyone. As for what you want to do, go and do it the way you like it.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:38:10 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: I am forced to comply with their wishes
Message:
I have posted an email stopccyberstalkers.org. (It bounced. Not a valid email address) They have got me over a barrel. I am being blackmailed by their illegal actions. I am forced to comply with their wishes in order to have the page with my daughter's pic with our address and phone number on removed. This is blackmail and intimidation but since my children are at risk and involved, I have no choice but to comply with their demands. This is a very nasty and sick cult, the cult of Maharaji and premies. I will have to retire completely from this for the sake of my own children.

Email to info@stopccyberstalkers.org

You have proven that you have no consideration for children by putting a pic of me and my daughter on your site next to our address and phone number. You are endangering innocent children by publishing this information. God knows how many paedophiles might see that page.

Will you please respond to this email. What are you blackmailing me to do with this criminal action of yours? What exactly do you want and under what terms will you remove the page completely so that there is no threat to my children?

I am prepared to remove all online material about Maharaji so long as you immediately remove the offending page with my daughter's pic and address on. My children are more important than Maharaji or any stupid battle between premies and ex-premies. So you have me under your blackmailing spell. I am forced to carry out your wishes. What exactly is it you want from me?

David Simpkiss.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 10:53:24 (EDT)
From: Tto
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: You got the wrong email
Message:
The email is info@stopcyberstalkers.org
[ This is the correctt email ]
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:53:29 (EDT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: I am forced to comply with their wishes
Message:
This is a very nasty and sick cult, the cult of Maharaji and premies. I will have to retire completely from this for the sake of my own children.

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Dave,

That decision has to be yours, but it would represent a victory for the cult.

I agree with the views expressed by Patrick W in this thread and hope that you won't make any hasty decisions. The material that you've put online is superb.

Are you sure that the only reason you're considering withdrawing your site and your efforts is because of this CAC bullshit? Or is it possible that you still have Mary McGraw playing on your nerves?

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:21:08 (EDT)
From: don puerco
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: I am forced to comply with their wishes
Message:
i agree that the pic of your daughter should be taken off the web,
but the paranoia that you produce here should also be taken out..
it is produced by your MIND....
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 06:31:59 (EDT)
From: Patrick Wilson
Email: patrick@patrickwilson.com
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: I am forced to comply with their wishes
Message:
I agree, and have always vociferously maintained, that it is extremely unethical to publish the addresses or phone numbers of people against their will. That this website goes as far as publishing pictures is of course even more unethical.

As regards how threatened anyone should feel who has their details published in this way I am not so sure.
I agree that the website is basically blackmailing you to 'cease and desist' in a manner which I find despicable. However I also feel that it is highly unlikely that anyone could possibly take it seriously given the obvious bias that prevails there towards attacking people who singularly oppose the mysterious XXXX.

I am not sure how I would react to having my family pictures highjacked for such use. I think maybe I would simply ignore it since there is no guarantee that , even if one does fulfill their blackmail terms, there is no guarantee that they will remove their articles.

The emotional reaction would be to say 'Yes, I'll do anything - where do I drop the money'.
I think that I would actually need to investigate if there is any legal recourse to this first.

What defines their site as being sinister and criminal is that , although they liberally publish these accusations, there seems to be no means of contacting them - no phone number or address . I wouldthink that this police would take this case very seriously actually.

One possible recourse is to contact the powers that be at Elan Vital and point out that if they don't themselves hunt down and encourage those responsible ( who clearly MUST be premies) to remove this site then they will surely have some extremely bad publicity coming their way as an organisation. The last thing XXXXX needs is to be associated with a clandestine organisation like this who are attempting to exert a kind of vigilante , blackmail campaign on people who oppose them. It's kind of amateurish the way the dress the whole thing up to look 'Legal' and 'respectable' - borrowing from various articles and having a picture of a legal looking establishment etc. Of course this is very transparent and makes them look even more sinister.

Like I said, I wouldn't worry too much, over-react or anything.

I would also suggest that some of the people and organisations that they link to may not be so imoressed with being associated and used to bolster and legitamise the cause of this so-called stopccyberstalkers.org - with their clearly biased agenda and their apparent unnaccountablity.

No, very few people will mistake this as being a credible site I think.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 06:53:11 (EDT)
From: Mr. Mind
Email: None
To: Patrick Wilson
Subject: Another possible solution
Message:
Sir Dave,

I recognize that bringing your daughter into this makes it very real to you. I don't know what I'd do if my family was threatened.

Understanding that I'm not on the list, I suggest that if they don't remove your daughter's picture, you might want to consider placing a link to their site at the top of this page. This will let everyone know what's going on and give them the opportunity to place a link to this site..let everyone see the contrast for themselves...

Again, I recognize this is easy for me to suggest

Take Care of you and yours,

Mr. Mind

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:52:09 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: The email bounced back
Message:
The email address, info@stopccyberstalkers.org does not appear to be a valid email addres and my email to them was returned undelivered. So I will have to try to contact them via this forum.

Will you, the authors of stopccyberstalkers.org please respond to my genuine intention to comply with your requests so that the pic of my daughter and our address and telephone number are removed.

David Simpkiss.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:31:30 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: The email bounced back
Message:
will you stop being a woss. Have you sent their isp an e-mail,

Kontchalovski@johndoes.org

or the domain registrar

domain-registrar@register.com

please get in touch with your local goverment copyright organization. you can find them on the Internet. they are setup for this issue in mind only. Your case is : if you are the legal owner of the the photo then they have to ask you permission to publish it. If they don't then the must remove it or suffer the consequences of legal action meaning that their website will be off the air. This applies to everyone who has a photo on their site. their are lawyers that do nothing but deal with internet issues and you should contact one of then asap. Make sure that that you downlod the page with the images.

some useful url:

http://www.loc.gov/copyright/
http://www.loc.gov/copyright/reports/studies/dmca/dmca_study.html
http://www.cla.co.uk/
http://www.solicitors-online.com/
http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_19880048_en_1.htm
http://www.intellectual-property.gov.uk/std/faq/question4.htm

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:47:07 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: and
Message:
don't forget that russia is part of the EU and thus they have to comply with EU law.

know what you are doing and don't given in to those mongrols

http://www.intellect.vsu.ru/en/law/index_e.htm

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 09:20:25 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Russia not in EU!!!
Message:
And they haven't even applied to join! But of course, that part of Russia to the west of the Ural mountains is part of the continent of Europe.

John

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 09:35:19 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: Russia not in EU!!!
Message:
when it comes to Intellectual Property, the russian like to see themselves as the good boys,

http://www.eblida.org/hypermail/ecup-list/0828.html

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 07:30:16 (EDT)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: The 'alleged stalkers' are being stalked.
Message:
Legal authorities should be brought in to investigate something as nasty-serious as CAC's stalking, harrassment and libel of you and the other exes. The question is, who and how? The principals are spread all over the globe: GB, Oz, Russia, USA, France . . .

If it weren't for the posting of personal addresses & phones, this crock of CAC would be yet another ludicrous and ineffectual 'tool of divine service', doomed to wither away as everything else, because it doesn't generate income. As it is now, it engages in the very stalking it claims to want to prevent.

CACa does stink indeed. What legal recourse is there?

Carl

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 07:34:28 (EDT)
From: Patrick Wilson
Email: patrick@patrickwilson.com
To: Carl
Subject: Re: The 'alleged stalkers' are being stalked.
Message:
I sent them this:

This is just to voice my strong ethical objection that you have chosen to publish the addresses of those whom you demonise and further to say that it is despicable of you to include pictures which include their children.

I would question the legality of your actions in this respect and certainly would add that if you think you are doing Maharaji any favours you are greatly mistaken. I have spoken this morning with a friend of Maharaji's who agreed that you are doing everyone concerned a disservice.

I strongly suggest that you remove these people's adresses and pictures of their families. Your stance is threatening in a most sinister way and the fact you appear to be more or less unaccountable yourselves (as named individuals responsible for your accusations) only reinforces your total lack of credibility.

Patrick Wilson

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:50:11 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Patrick Wilson
Subject: thanks for that, Patrick
Message:
Our namesake, the other Patrick Conlon (an innocent non-premie mistaken for me and smeared with homophobia) who owns the Pilsner Inn, will be doing more than writing letters.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 07:38:38 (EDT)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: Patrick Wilson
Subject: Are you emails getting through? [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 07:10:44 (EDT)
From: Patrick Wilson
Email: patrick@patrickwilson.com
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: The email bounced back
Message:
For what it's worth, I just called Glen who had no idea of the existence of that site. We agreed that relatively few people will be reading it, let alone takingh it remotely seriously, and that it is of course bad for all concerned - including Maharaji.

Glen is not so involved with Elan Vital these days I think. He said that it was likely that if EV were aware of this site that they were probably already doing what they could to track down those responsible and have it removed. That was his opinion.
I obviously referred Glen to cyberstalkers.org in the hopes that he may look into it and tell EV. I think he may well do this now.
personally I hope EV will tackle this vigilante group.

If they put up a defamatory article about me I would most certainly go after them through the police. As a matter of fact I would like to see them try. I have absolutely nothing to hide and am not embarrassed or ashamed of anything I have said. However I'm sure they could spin something about whoever they please, no matter how innocuous if they wished.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 07:09:22 (EDT)
From: For the Children
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: The email bounced back
Message:
David,

Take the c after stopccyberstalkers.org out of the e-mail address.

info@stopcyberstalkers.org should work

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 07:52:31 (EDT)
From: don puerco
Email: None
To: For the Children
Subject: Re: The email bounced back
Message:
the address info@stopcyberstalkers.org DOES in fact work and these
guys are obviously NO premies since they have several other stalkers
on their list displayed. interestingly enough there is also one p.d.
conlon on the list who once had hanuman banned for alleged stalking!!oh irony of ironies, how would shakespeare grin his best grin...
besides it is really sickening to learn that sir dave simpskiss
besides working for EPO has also his own pornographic website on the
net which discredits him absolutely..read the post on jim heller, very
enlightening indeed, and this guy wants to pose as the godfather of
all concened people, my god what a bunch of stinking rotten crooks, so you guys are finally being officially fucked and that not by the hated premies but by some quite sane and concerned people...
jai sat chit anand
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:49:52 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: don puerco
Subject: I see your joy, you rotten
Message:
insane cult member! Who is fucked? The best is yet to come, sweetie. Whatch it all evolve. Is going to be fun, lots of fun!

Kisser of stinking toe. You dog. Your master got you good: You lost all common sense and morals and you seem so proud of it. Good luck.

Do you know he hired prostitutes?

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:39:11 (EDT)
From: don puerco
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: Re: I see your joy, you rotten
Message:
how sweet you are, darling ...how do you know m hired prostitutes?
just because someone said so ? or were you one of 'em ??
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:28:34 (EDT)
From: don puerco
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: Re: I see your joy, you rotten
Message:
how sweet you are, darling, how do you know m hired prostitutes,
just because someone said so ? or were you one of 'em ???
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 11:36:24 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: don puerco
Subject: What an idiot you are!
Message:
What a joke you are! I really do think we should go password protected for the simple reason that I do want to keep posting but I'm sick of brain-dead fools like you. Do you really think that your fellow cult members didn't put this site together? Now, scratch your dumbass head for a second and try to figure out how they did that even WITH a couple of outsiders on their list. Can you figure that out? No? Ha hahahahahah!
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:35:27 (EDT)
From: don puerco
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: What an idiot you are!
Message:
you guys started this bullshit game , now it backlashes, simple truth
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:34:19 (EDT)
From: don puerco
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: What an idiot you are!
Message:
you guys started this bullshit game , now it backlashes, simple truth
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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 05:26:33 (EDT)
From: don puerco
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: What an idiot you are!
Message:
you guys started this bullshit game , now it backlashes, simple truth
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:10:15 (EDT)
From: Tim Matheson
Email: None
To: All
Subject: OUR LORD MAHARAJI says NO MORE
Message:
OUR LORD MAHARAJI told me in a darshan dream about his direction to set up the cyberstalkers' site. Brilliant move, LORD. 'When YOUR FEET move, the earth shakes'.

Some have suggested it's a Scientologist strategy you are copying but we know you are the one who gave it to them as a trial run. BRILLIANT!

Some have suggested it's not right to link by suggestion your enemies with known cyberstalkers but we know that in order to Spread YOUR HOLY KNOWLEDGE thruout the world, the end does justify the means. BRILLIANT!

Some have called YOU a COWARD but we, YOUR true devotee, know that this is just the beginning and soon YOU will manifest YOURSELF as the greatest incarnation of the LIVING LORD, like YOU promised.

PRANAM, my BRILLIANT LORD

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 00:15:48 (EDT)
From: Salam
Email: it_is_soau@yahoo.com.au
To: All
Subject: Anti-Terrorisim and EV
Message:
You won't belive this, but the police investigation that was carried out on behalf of EV-Australia was in regard to me making threats to assasinate blubber.

Now that will be a shame won't it? what about all the fun that everyone is having, am sure you guess won't be impressed, will you?

HHhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaahahahahahahaha
ahahahahahah hahahahahahahahaha.

If anyone is interested in the details e-mail me.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 05:02:24 (EDT)
From: such
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: what you wrote about Palestinian plight = truth [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 04:51:41 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Pss
Message:
would you e-mail me? Last time I wrote my mail was returned. Do you continue losing yoru passwords? LOL
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 08:51:05 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: salam_au@iprimus.com.au
To: Silvia
Subject: Re: Pss
Message:
something close to that. I had so many e-mails today am full for a week. But hey how about you e-mail [with a long sentence this time]
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 01:05:41 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: gkl1@techline.com
To: Salam
Subject: Salam: the Stink Bomb Terrorist
Message:
that link is busted. email bounced. send me details. over and out.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 01:08:00 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: salam_au@iprimus.com.au
To: gerry
Subject: Re: Salam: the Stink Bomb Terrorist
Message:
there you go, but don't tell EV, ok?

Hey am disconnecting for a while, I had too much fun for a day.

hahahahahahah shit this is funny.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 01:16:03 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Read your email, Salam
Message:
Read it and reply.

Marianne

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 01:15:38 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Re: Salam: the Stink Bomb Terrorist
Message:
Well Salam, if they came to your house to question you it probably was not that much fun. No I can't imagine it would be. Of course your being from the middle east *justifies* their treatment of you.

So come on, why not tell us all what happened. It might just be your best defense against these thugs.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 03:48:21 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: Salam: the Stink Bomb Terrorist
Message:
slowly slowly catch monkey. I will,but am really exhusted at present, plus am waiting for some feedback. Sorry to let you down, but look at the bright side of it, all the excitement and the anticipation of waiting.
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Date: Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 23:39:31 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: None
To: All
Subject: I am shocked.
Message:
Well, I am shocked, SHOCKED I TELL YOU, to learn that people with whom I have actually conducted e-mail correspondences with are Perverts, Pornographers, Homosexual Restaurant Managers, and affiliate with Communists, FRENCH COMMUNISTS at that!!!!!
Those kinda commies are the worst, because, not only are they commies, but they are SNOOTY COMMIES (sorry JM)!!!!!!!!!!

I am also hurt, just like Joe, that I have not been included on the list of terrible, *****hating
cyberstalkers. I know, I haven’t really contributed much lately outside of the occasional joke or swipe at Sanford Pass, but, dang, I held my own back in the old days (really Granpa?)! Sheesh, Shroomananda use to have totally incoherent responses to my posts. So I have decided to write my own cyberstalker profile, to save Glasser or Wango Tango or Catweasel or whomever the trouble.

The Rev. Michael Dresbach aka Mickey the Pharisee.
The ‘Reverend’ Dresbach lives in the backward Central American Republic of Panama, where he spends his day oppressing simple Panamanians with his Anglican Theology.
Living next to the Panama Canal (which was stolen from the United States and is now run by Communist Chinese), he espouses the Communist inspired “Liberation Theology” and “Theology of Hope,” telling people that they should work to bring about the Reign of God, a world without poverty, racism, homophobia, illness, and anything else which separates people, instead of encouraging free-market capitalism and the sending of money to Visions International and ********. He was actually heard outside of Fort Clayton hollering “Get lost, you Imperialist pigs!” as the United States Troops left Panama on December 31, 1999. He is also known to preside over gatherings where he encourages people to eat the body and drink the blood of a Past Perfect Master (although he denies that this carpenter was a Perfect Master).

He has actually tried to persuade people to stop sending money to ***** and has even gone as far as to say that those who practice the meditation called ******** are “mistaking a physiological response to stimuli as spirituality.” He immediately attacks anyone quoting the Bible and tells them they have taken it out of context and are “proof-texting.” He is an academic elitist who flaunts his knowledge of Hellenistic Greek against humble, Bible-quoting students of ********.

Help us stop this evil, wicked Episcopal priest, or at least help us tattle to his bishop.

Some of Mickey the Pharisee’s posts:

Jesus did not teach “this Knowledge.”

You Gnostic moron, Jesus did not teach “this Knowledge.”

It does not say “the Kingdom of Heaven is within you,” it says, “The Kingdom of Heaven is in your midst,” you eyeball-squeezing, hyperventilating, snot-drinking idiot!!!”

Puhleeze!!!, Sandy, Jesus did not teach “this Knowledge.”

Puhleeze!!! Janet!

Jesus did not teach “this Knowledge.”

No way, Jesus did not teach “this Knowledge.”

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:55:42 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: thanks for the laugh, Mickey [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 13:42:34 (EDT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: I suppose I could add your expose to my page
Message:
in fact for a small fee I could create my own scandal sheet at the House of Drek for all the loosers like Mickey and myself who didn't make it to the big time at CyberStalkers.
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Date: Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 23:51:32 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: nice one Mick
Message:
LOL I still owe you some skivvies. However, I've had a few holes in my own undies lately and hope to get back to you in time for Navidad.
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Date: Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 23:57:31 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: No wonder, Gerry
Message:
Sheesh Gerry, no wonder with you sitting around the house in your underwear sending out your less-intelligent missives and hate stuff while your girl friend slaves to pay your bills!!!! And I'm sure the cats are not working either, so she has to support them, too!

Where do they get this crap???

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 00:07:47 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Mickey the Pharisee
Subject: Re: No wonder, Gerry
Message:
hey, they have probably reported you to the FBI, CIA, NSA..etc etc. you may be implicated into terrorist activities and assasinations with the Mujahidien Group. you be carfull now. Security is a bit tight.

EV, you are a bunch of pussies that can't spend a night without pissing you're underpants.

[gee that came out good]

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Date: Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 23:31:51 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Just talked with Dettmers about this
Message:
Mike's got computer problems. He's busy trying to reinstall his operating system but hopes to be back up in a day or so. I read him his CAC entry and, well, I'll let him comment for himself in the next few days.

One thing, though ... when I read him the part about how he's 'hallucinatory paranoid' about 'xxxx' killing the guy in the car accident, he just couldn't believe it. I mean like coudln't believe it!

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 00:36:45 (EDT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: talk with MD/unbelievable isn't it? about this
Message:
Jim-

I just finished reading the cac site.

What I can't understand is how m could let a site like that go up....I'm assuming that he has seen it and given it the thumbs up....that is the most bizarre bunch of crap....how can he really think that people will believe any of that, especially people who knew MD and others for years?

I think this will only spur new rounds of site pages on epo similar to the ones when m tried to shut down the ex sites....it all makes him look so unbeleivably stupid, paranoid and insecure....

I think more people will speak out, more stories, more drips and cracks in the dam....

No wonder he's pushing devotion so heavy now.....

Must be tough being the perfect master these days...

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 14:15:16 (EDT)
From: R2
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: Just one thing LAX
Message:
On what basis do say M condones or gives a thumbs up to the CAC site? If you know this for sure then please provide details. If not then please shut the fuck up.

Respectfully
Richard

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:05:06 (EDT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: R2
Subject: Time will tell, R2
Message:
R2,

A question for you, Richard: Would you ever presume to put up a website yourself, dedicated to supporting Maharaji in some way, and not get it approved by EV beforehand?

I am assuming that you will say no to the above question. If you are a premie who knows even a little about what Rawat expects from his students, you would NEVER presume to do that without his direct permission, or his indirect permission through Elan Vital. What does that say about the premies who are responsible for CAC? (1)They are acting without permission and therefore taking liberties that they shouldn't be taking, or (2) they are acting with some sort of sanction and pre-approval just as Pia did, and just as Charles did.

We do know that Rawat has given his ok in a general sense for premies to counteract the Internet presence of EPO, by creating counter-websites, but any proposed sites surely must be approved, don't you agree?

Time will tell if CAC is allowed to stay up. If it stays, we will be able to presume a sanction from Rawat.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:18:55 (EDT)
From: R2
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Still bogus and unfounded
Message:
You addded 2+2 and came up with 22 Way. As I implied to la-ex, unless you know something is true DON'T SAY IT IS! The credibility of your site and efforts have always been suspect because you guys don't follow this one pronciple.
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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:35:52 (EDT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: R2
Subject: we're discussing the possibilities
Message:
La-ex did not say that he knew for sure. Reread his post. He said that he was assuming that the CAC site was approved. I tried to explain to you why someone would assume that. But la-ex might be wrong. We don't know for sure yet.

I think EPO has a good record about distinquishing between what we know for sure and what is just opinion and personal perspective. La-ex was speaking his personal opinion. You can disagree but you have no right to tell him to shut up.

You seem actually incapable of talking to us. All you ever do is counterattack. Don't you ever take off your premie glasses? Maybe this episode with the CAC site will be a big enough 'drip' for you to start thinking with your whole mind, instead of just your premie mind.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:59:39 (EDT)
From: R2
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: More of the 'what'd I do wrong' excuse
Message:
Hey Way, reality check. YOU reread la-ex’s post. He and others have clearly concluded that M is responsible. Proof is in the new batch of vitriol you guys are already stirring up to send his way. As for me attacking you guys, what do you expect when I get bullshit posts from you like the one you just sent me.

Oh BTW, I don’t think I have a pair of “premie glasses” on. I know this is hard for you to accept but I try not to have glasses of any color on. I don’t always succeed but that’s what I strive for. How ‘bout you Way, wearing any designer glasses yourself?

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:36:35 (EDT)
From: Way
Email: None
To: R2
Subject: Re: More of the 'what'd I do wrong' excuse
Message:
Oh come on.

If Maharaji isn't responsible, then he SHOULD be. He shouldn't allow his premies to be representing him on the internet and making the kind of stupid mistakes they are making on the CAC site. They have confused Pat Conlon with another Pat Conlon (see his posts above). Printing degrogatory comments about some totally unconnected person is downright stupid. Maharaji should be totally ashamed of that site.

Look, Richard, there is no way to defend the CAC site. Most premies will outright condemn it on first sight. A few premies on Lifes Great have come out and totally condemned it, using their real names. You, however, are afraid to use your real name and afraid to say what you think about that site until you know if Maharaji condones it or not. You are a coward, with premie glasses on. Nothing could be more obvious. You're not even a premie, in my opinion, you're just a pwik.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:52:49 (EDT)
From: R2
Email: None
To: Way
Subject: Listen Way
Message:
Way

I’m anonymous for a very good reason. Can you imagine what that reason is? Because ex-premies cannot be trusted. PERIOD! Not all ex-premies but enough of them, have exhibited a totally callous regard for the personal security and confidentiality of anybody who supports Maharaji. So why should I come out condemning these same premies getting back what they have put out to others? Really Way, get off your fucking moral high ground and wake up. And frankly I don’t give a damn what happens to sleaze-balls like Jim Heller. They WILL get what’s coming to them, just as we all will. If I take it upon myself to create enemies, I can only expect to be visited by my enemies in some way shape or fashion. Right?

So stop calling me down because I don’t get on your bandwagon. I don’t respect you, I don’t respect what you are doing, and I don’t give a flying fuck what you think of me. ‘kay?

Richard

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:12:35 (EDT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: R2
Subject: Hey R2,chill...we're all after the same thing
Message:
Dear R2-

I'm going to respond to you in a civil manner, and would encourage you to do the same.

Actually, my post was not addressed to you, but to Jim Heller.
I was 'wondering aloud' about the cac site, in response to his post about MD learning about the obvious defamation of his character on the cac site.
I'm sure you would have to agree that the description they gave of MD was a bunch of crap, wouldn't you?

What I was saying to Jim was actually that I couldn't believe that maharaji would ever allow anything that bizarre to represent him, which it obviously does.
I was assuming that he had knowledge of it.
Of course, he would not publicly endorse it, but my belief is that if he knew of it, and didn't make an immediate public rejection of that site, that he would be going along with it.

We all know that no premie in good standing would EVER try and represent maharaji in any way, without his complete approval, right?

So there seems to be only aobut 2 options here:

1)This is a renegade premie site, which maharaji obviously would not endorse in any way.
If so, he should immediately say so, and I say this so that he can protect himself as well.
If he doesn't disavow himself from it,it will look like this is something he is endorsing.
I don't think he wants this image of him and his organization projected to the world.

2)It is endorsed by maharaji, quietly, behind the scenes, without any direct connection to him.
I don't think he wants this assumption to be made about him either.

So either way, it's not looking to good for him, is it?

And that's the reason I was saying that I couldn't believe that he would either:
1-allow it to operate by renegade premies, or
2-quietly endorse it, as that would look bad for him as well.

I was assuming that maharaji is an intelligent man who wants to pursue his business.
I was incredulous that he would either go along with it, or not disavow himself from it.
This advice was for him, for his own good.

What I think we ALL want is the plain, simple truth.
YES, there are exaggerated stories from both sides, but the simple fact is that maharaji could end all this in one second, by simply addressing these issues and getting all of this behind him.

By avoidance of these issues, he is simply making things worse for himself, his family, those who serve him, and thousands of loyal people around the world who are putting on programs about him, hoping to propagate knowledge.

R2, don't we all want the same thing?
The TRUTH.
I would recommend to all premies that they simply ask their Lord and Master to sit in front of a camera and tell everyone the truth.
It would help us all.

And yes, I do think he is pushing devotion heavily these days, because it must be tough being him.

And no, I don't need to 'shut the fuck up', as you suggested.
I think your style does not give a very nice impression of yourself, your master, or the organization he uses to do his work.

Sincerely,
La-ex

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Date: Mon, Aug 20, 2001 at 22:21:25 (EDT)
From: Barry
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Jim! Bangs at it again!
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What do you want me to do?
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