Ex-Premie Forum 6 Archive: Page 1 of 5

Ex-Premie Forum 6 Archive
From: Jul 14, 2001	To: Aug 22, 2001	Page: 1 of: 5

janet -:- save and copy everything b4 tomorrow -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:41:39 (EDT)

__ Silvia -:- terrorists they are! -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:30:22 (EDT)

suchabanana -:- fascist fear tactics vs. legitimacy -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:14:58 (EDT)

Salam -:- Thank you Sir Dave -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:59:37 (EDT)

Pat:C) -:- LINK TO FORUM SEVEN!!!!!!!!!! -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:01:55 (EDT)

__ a0aji -:- That's a lot of exclamation marks [nt] -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:17:12 (EDT)

Pat:C) -:- Who authored CAC? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:46:26 (EDT)

__ CW -:- Not me -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 04:25:11 (EDT)

__ Peter Howie -:- Re: Who authored CAC? -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:32:50 (EDT)

salam -:- Elan Vital as a Racist organization -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:57:20 (EDT)

__ Pat:C) -:- Thank you Salam -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:54:14 (EDT)

__ __ Jethro -:- Yes Pat, Salam is not racist -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:53:17 (EDT)

__ Silvia -:- HAMMER SCENE -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:15:54 (EDT)

__ __ anon -:- Haters! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:58:08 (EDT)

__ __ __ when I have the time -:- I'll write better -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:15:49 (EDT)

Salam -:- JHB -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:43:30 (EDT)

__ salam -:- Re: JHB -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:42:19 (EDT)

__ __ JHB -:- Re: JHB -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:48:35 (EDT)

__ __ __ salam -:- wad u mean -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:10:27 (EDT)

__ a0aji -:- Re: JHB -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:39:13 (EDT)

__ Peter Howie -:- Re: JHB -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:04:02 (EDT)

__ __ salam -:- Re: JHB -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:28:48 (EDT)

Sir Dave -:- This forum closes tomorrow -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:05:09 (EDT)

__ Sandy -:- What the....??! -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:09:42 (EDT)

__ __ Jim -:- Praise the Lord and grab the ammunition! [nt] -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:14:56 (EDT)

__ Peter Howie -:- Re: This forum closes tomorrow -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:56:39 (EDT)

__ __ Peter Howie -:- A little addition -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:00:13 (EDT)

__ Roger eDrek -:- Fuck you Maharaji and your sick minions -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:16:31 (EDT)

__ __ Roger eDrek -:- One more thing, Maharaji -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:19:36 (EDT)

Little Mo -:- Zenon vs the Church of Scientology -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:10:40 (EDT)

__ silvia -:- I like this part: Great for premies. -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:35:27 (EDT)

Jim -:- Does anyone want to download LG? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:56:24 (EDT)

Jim -:- IS ANYONE ELSE BLOCKED FROM LG? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:28:37 (EDT)

__ Deborah -:- Yup! My IP is blocked? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:34:09 (EDT)

Jim -:- My letter to CAC's ISP -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:36:56 (EDT)

__ Barry -:- Jim! Hey man... -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:44:27 (EDT)

__ Jim -:- One got through, two bounced -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:14:50 (EDT)

__ __ Selene -:- write to register.com -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:04:32 (EDT)

__ Little Mo -:- Re: My letter to CAC's ISP -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:11:40 (EDT)

__ Deborah -:- I'm proud of you -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:57:18 (EDT)

__ Jim -:- Hey, it bounced -- anyone with the ISP address? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:52:23 (EDT)

__ __ Rick -:- Great letter -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:06:02 (EDT)

__ __ __ Jim -:- Too late! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:09:10 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Joey -:- Re: NEVER Too late! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:18:07 (EDT)

__ __ JHB -:- CAC and their ISP's addresses -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:05:06 (EDT)

__ __ __ Little Mo -:- Re: CAC and their ISP's addresses -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:18:32 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Thanks, just copied all [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:26:12 (EDT)

__ Richard -:- Excellent -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:41:17 (EDT)

Joe -:- A place to start -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:21:57 (EDT)

__ Deborah -:- Link Doesn't work -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:27:33 (EDT)

__ __ JHB -:- Correct link -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:32:01 (EDT)

__ __ __ Joe -:- Thanks nt -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:54:33 (EDT)

__ Joe -:- And also, -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:23:32 (EDT)

Richard -:- Have you complained to the registrar? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:02:16 (EDT)

__ Selene -:- yes and others should -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:46:13 (EDT)

__ Richard -:- PS: To EV monitors and CAC miscreants -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:28:26 (EDT)

__ Joey -:- Re: Have you complained to the registrar? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:23:33 (EDT)

Pedro -:- Please can we come in ? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:35:50 (EDT)

__ Pedro -:- Above post to LG -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:37:39 (EDT)

Silvia -:- Just to stirr the pot -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:14:01 (EDT)

Selene -:- IMPORTANT please read -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:58:36 (EDT)

__ Roger eDrek -:- damn, Truth About Maharaji site is gone -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:07:03 (EDT)

__ Selene to everyone -:- just got email -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:44:56 (EDT)

__ __ Pat:C) -:- Re: just got email - just finished -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:49:13 (EDT)

__ __ __ Selene -:- I agree the more the better -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:50:32 (EDT)

__ Pat:C) -:- Re: IMPORTANT please read -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:36:58 (EDT)

__ silvia -:- Re: IMPORTANT please read -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:11:57 (EDT)

__ __ hamzen -:- Lets not duplicate everyone, eh -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:20:28 (EDT)

__ __ Selene -:- ze whole enchilada -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:20:00 (EDT)

__ __ __ hamzen -:- Is it just that site that needs copying? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:23:29 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Selene -:- weaving dreams -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:35:02 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ ham -:- I have access to -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:01:41 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- I posted above in this thread -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:09:54 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ hamzen -:- Why not start an AG yourself, it's really easy -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:17:13 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- read your email -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:33:59 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ hamsen -:- Nice one, top one, sorted -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:23:41 (EDT)

Bob (o) -:- see ya all @forum7 -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:44:54 (EDT)

__ Pat:C) -:- Re: see ya all @forum7 -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:56:23 (EDT)

__ __ Deborah -:- Re: see ya all @forum7 -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:40:02 (EDT)

__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- a group effort -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:09:49 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Re: a group effort -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:19:55 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ salam -:- Re: a group effort -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:24:48 (EDT)

gerry -:- Link To New Ex-Premie Forum -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:31:35 (EDT)

__ Pat:C) -:- Well done, Gerry! Thanks - NT [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:37:10 (EDT)

Joe -:- Please don't pver react -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:27:33 (EDT)

__ Pat:C) -:- Exactly, Joe -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:40:56 (EDT)

__ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Exactly, Joe -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:06:39 (EDT)

__ __ __ Silvia -:- USA -:- Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:27:20 (EDT)

Sir Dave -:- CAC's response to my email & the end -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:13:14 (EDT)

__ a0aji -:- AYB -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:40:52 (EDT)

__ __ a0aji -:- Re: AYB -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:42:35 (EDT)

__ Bin Liner -:- FUCK THEM Dave -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:43:56 (EDT)

__ Richard -:- Archiving your work -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:35:42 (EDT)

__ Francesca :C) -:- Hope that means LIFES GREAT -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:30:13 (EDT)

__ __ Francesca -:- Shouldn't have said that -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:23:10 (EDT)

__ Deborah -:- Re: CAC's response to my email & the end -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:47:38 (EDT)

__ suchabanana -:- r.e. da infamous CACa Lardus -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:27:11 (EDT)

__ __ such -:- No, I'm Spartacus... -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:28:19 (EDT)

__ Silvia -:- Bring it on, I say -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:18:51 (EDT)

__ Joe -:- Dave, Question -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:14:20 (EDT)

__ __ Sir Dave -:- Re: Dave, Question -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:37:22 (EDT)

__ __ __ Joe -:- Dave, you are over-reacting -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:40:43 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ a0aji -:- Re: Dave, you are over-reacting -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:46:46 (EDT)

__ __ __ Dermot -:- Dave ..address from phone? or company director? [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:13:37 (EDT)

__ __ __ WHY -:- Re: Dave, Question -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:10:08 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Sorry -:- silvia above nt -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:13:09 (EDT)

__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Dear Sir Dave.... -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:48:02 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Yes, it is Blackmail -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:55:53 (EDT)

__ Joe -:- CAC: Arrogant Bullies -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:08:51 (EDT)

__ __ Silvia -:- IT SHOWS THE CULT MENTALITY -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:21:57 (EDT)

__ Chuck S. -:- Re: CAC's response to my email & the end -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:58:18 (EDT)

__ Dermot -:- Good luck Sir Dave ! [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:57:31 (EDT)

__ Mr. Mind -:- Thank you, Dave -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:46:39 (EDT)

__ Roger eDrek -:- Fuck this shit! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:32:58 (EDT)

__ __ Deborah -:- Right on! [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:01:43 (EDT)

__ __ gerry -:- This will do for tomorrow -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:50:40 (EDT)

__ __ __ Dermot -:- Quick work Gerry ! [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:53:24 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ gerry -:- Prophecy Fulfilled !!! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:15:25 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- Yeah Gerry we live in wondrous times ! [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:19:34 (EDT)

__ __ yup me2 -:- Re: Fuck this shit! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:35:19 (EDT)

__ __ __ Zelda -:- Re: Fuck this shit! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:23:15 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ silvia -:- Fuck that NT -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:33:20 (EDT)

Pat:C) -:- CAC in deep doodoo: damages non-premie -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:05:00 (EDT)

__ Ben Lurking -:- Re: CAC in deep doodoo: damages non-premie -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:23:54 (EDT)

__ __ Silvia -:- lets contact the news -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:22:27 (EDT)

__ Joe -:- Way to go Patrick... -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:05:13 (EDT)

__ __ Pat:C) -:- Thanks Joe, Iwill cc GLAAD -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:12:13 (EDT)

__ __ __ Dermot -:- But are they traceable Pat? -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:24:58 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Rawat is traceable and -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:34:18 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Yeah, but it reflects on Maharaji -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:34:12 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Sorry, got garbled -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:40:57 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- Yeah Pat, Joe...true enough ,, [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:54:11 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- However Pat /Joe !!! NT -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:10:11 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- wait until the gay orgs see -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:46:21 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Absolutely - Rawat is mentioned by name -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:44:54 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pink letter day for Rawat ! -:- Pink letter day for Rawat ! -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:49:55 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- Above post mixed up..but you get drift ! [nt] -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:54:55 (EDT)

~Silvia~ -:- 'Teach Me Devotion' -:- Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:31:19 (EDT)

Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:41:39 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: All
Subject: save and copy everything b4 tomorrow
Message:

in light of sir dave's intent to take down this board, i ask that everyone download, archive, save and copy everything that was posted here in its short history, b4 the board disappears. it can be resureccted and recomposed elsewhere for reference afterwards.
I am still fighting my removal from my ISP. the more i learn here, the more I become convinced that my TOS cancellation friday is connected to CAC.
for those of you who read my posting about my friend who OD'd on venice beach sunday night--he came through in ICU with a near death experience and a complete recovery. he did indeed die, and returned to tell about it.
don't drink any GNB-laced charnamrit. stick to the sealed and guaranteed H20 and carry your own wherever you go.
I bookmarked forum 7. see you there.
Jim, I ccp'd your letter to show my ISP, for evidence. do I have your permission and release to have them read it, so they can begin to understand what kind of war we are now in?
redouble your resolve, my peers.
no negotiations with terrorists.
period.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 08:30:22 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: terrorists they are!
Message:

Hi janet
Sorry about yoru ISP. It may be related, very well, to the assholes!
don't drink any GNB-laced charnamrit. stick to the sealed and guaranteed H20 and carry your own wherever you go.
What do you mean by this?
You have my e-mail address, right?
Love,
silvia

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 06:14:58 (EDT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: All
Subject: fascist fear tactics vs. legitimacy
Message:

Dear Sisters and Brothers:
Remember when miragey used to diss the internet all the time? Then he apparently instructed premies not to go to ex-premie.org Then elan vital staffers began telling premies to call it ex-premie.hate . Then Prempal recently made reference at an event to a 'war'. Now, voila!
Let's look at this spiraling recent pattern:
1) I just checked some search engines, and I counted at least 33 official or otherwise sanctioned elan vital and miragey international websites, a number of which are recent additions to the internet;
2) using both litigation and covert means, cult agents have simultaneously been trying to completely silence any public criticism of miragey [a controversial public figure] whatsoever worldwide;
3) cult members have spammed and hacked ex-premie websites/forums;
4) some cult members have urged others to commit violence against ex-premie critics of miragey, including taking a 'baseball bat' to them;
5) using a remote web base in Russia (curiously), anonymous miragey cult members are now using implicit/explicit blackmail to shut down or silence miragey critics;
6) cult members are revealing and publishing private email addresses, home phones, addresses, and other personal data of miragey's critics on the internet [including photos of their small children], as well as threatening to escalate these activities, thereby deliberately exposing the guru's critics and their families to foreseeable and imminent harm from deranged cult fanatics, especially in light of violence committed in the past by fanatical and otherwise deluded miragey cult members [including a murder in Florida committed by a devotee claiming to hear voices, a vicious assault by a devotee with a weapon on an aspirant, and in at least one case homicidal vengeance incited by miragey's own family and his instructors -- e.g. the 1973 assassination attempt on reporter Pat Halley];
6) cult agent provacateurs infiltrated and stole private confidential information regarding posters at ex-premie websites, and they are now in illegal possession of [and may have shared] that information;
7) some cult members are presently waging a hateful blackmail scare campaign, using Red-baiting, homophobic, and right-wing Zionist political stances, as well as targeting the critics' families and places of employment.
This pattern has stepped up markedly ever since miragey began allegedly making references about an internet 'war' [as reported by posters who attended some events during the past few months]. Additionally, Pat Conlon has reported that he was tipped off by a cult insider that an internet vendetta was in the works.
It is my opinion that the cult is employing these patently fascist tactics as part of a concerted strategy to on one hand saturate the internet with pro-miragey propaganda, while instilling fear and stifling any valid criticisms or testimonies regarding miragey and his operatives -- that would inevitably expose his cult and its operations to serious public and governmental scrutiny.
This situation raises both ethical and legal issues, as well as certain personal safety concerns. Blackmail is a criminal offense in most countries, internet theft and dissemination of private or confidential information is also a crime, incitement to commit bodily harm is also a crime, and medieval guru-based fascism is not consistent with fundamental principles of democracy and freedom -- nor bona fide spirituality. Rather, these examples only serve to underline the validity of the many testimonials and criticisms about the guru and his personality cult [a registered church, btw], which has enriched him and his family materially substantially at the expense of thousands of his trusting and adoring believers.
For the record, I personally do Not regard 'premies' as my enemies. On the contrary, many of my closest friends for almost 30 years have been or still are premies, and I considered myself a true-blue devotee of miragey until I read enough documentation and testimonials on the internet at ex-premie.org last year to convince me to question and research as much in-depth information as possible about the finances, history, and insider accounts surrounding miragey, his claims, and his organization and its abuses. Combined with my own extensive experiences as a person who was involved for many years and did service in the organization in various capacities, I had to face the painful reality that I had been spiritually seduced into being a member of a feudalistic dictatorial cult whose leadership is responsible for a pattern of numerous abuses inflicted upon its own members.
I firmly subscribe to the view that the best course for cult critics and adherents is the protocol of civil dialogue, based on issues, facts, and testimomy, not based on fear or blackmail. If I have ever been impassioned in my own criticism of miragey, it is only because I sacrificed so much of my life, including material comfort, a career and my child, out of a misguided dedication to him in the past -- based on his repeated pronouncements during the 1970s of messianic divinity [which he never renounced] mixed with some simple yogic meditation techniques.
We have a protected legitimate right to voice our informed viewpoints regarding a public figure like miragey who has proclaimed himself to be a Master and who has thrust himself on the world stage as a messianic charismatic leader, accumulating vast wealth and a cult of thousands of devotees in the process.
In conclusion, the current fascist campaign of fear being waged against miragey's most ardent critics is absolutely contrary to the philosophy of the very peace he purports, although consistent with some past cult activities, cult-think, and the cult's denigration of dissenters - including miragey's own mother and older brothers.
In fact, miragey's own brother Satpal [aka Bal Bhagwan ji] has stated:
'History tells us that great massacres have taken place under the name of holy crusades, and that the great churches have not remained as churches but have become political tools for the exercise of power and wealth. To sum up, there is no evil which has not befallen us in the name of religion. Jesus, Our Master, gave us the commandment to 'love our neighbors as we love ourselves.' ... How would Jesus feel today, to see his children piling up the same wealth which he told them to distribute to the poor?' [source: Who is Guru Maharaj ji? Divine Light Mission/Bantam Books]
* * *
As from a blazing fire sparks of like substance fly forth a thousandfold, so from the Imperishable, beings manifold are produced, and return thither also. -- The Upanishads
Peace and lentils,
da lil' swami

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:59:37 (EDT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Thank you Sir Dave
Message:

For all the work and effort that you have put during the years in maintaining and keeping Anything goes, this forum and The Truth about Maharaji.
There is no credit given to EV as this is only another black mark in their history of blackmail and intimidation.
At least you got what you felt is the best for you, and we hope to see you on the net, Oh and if you see professor Hinze bean or the Forum Duck, please tell him that I have found my true home, they can come here when the feel like it
http://pub29.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=2463394014
Salam

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:01:55 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: All
Subject: LINK TO FORUM SEVEN!!!!!!!!!!
Message:

For anyone just popping in for the first time in a few days - forum six closes tomorrow. Forum Seven is now jumping!
[ FORUM SEVEN ]

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 09:17:12 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: That's a lot of exclamation marks [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:46:26 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: Who authored CAC?
Message:

Thanks Sir Dave, good luck, farewell. I completely understand your decision. I too remember Pat Halley. It is a chance we all take but we do not have to expose our kids to the danger posed by these religious fanatics and lunatics.
Has anyone checked to see if the Boris who has a personal website is the same as the Boris who is named as the site designer? I'm sure Boris is a common name in Russia, I don't know for sure but I feel that Boris may even be fictional.
My premie friend who warned me last week about the net Jihad did not know who would be conducting it or even what their tactics would be. She is not part of the group of gungho premie honchos who are waging the net jihad but heard about it from one of their mutual connections. Apparently CAC's creators had a good laugh and think that their jihad is a great joke. This is why they did not bother with the truth or facts. Well, life is a joke to these jokers who believe it is all an illusion anyway, maya. Lila, the game has just begun.
SC/David Whitla said on LG that my warning about the jihad was nonsense because I really was not friends with instructors and did not smoke drugs with them or socialize with them as he does and therefore I did not know what I was talking about. Well, what I was talking about happened and the fact is that my friendship with this informant goes back 30 years, and yes I have smoked drugs with her and even had an affair with her. A friendship that close and long is built on complete trust and respect. If she finds out who is behind CAC she will tell me as she is disgusted by their scientology-type tactics.<{>
Of course she refuses to believe that Rawat condoned the wording of CAC and thinks it happened more along the lines of Becket's murder by Henry ll. I agree with that and think that Rawat, like Henry, will sacrifice the jihad wagers as soon as it appears their tactics have backfired on him.
But just because I don't know who did it is does not mean that I am not speculating. I bet $500 that a certain designer of another defamatory anti-ex site is involved. Like Whittaker Chambers and Roy Cohn, he seems to be trying to ingratiate himself with the good old boys' club. (For those not familiar with Chambers and Cohn - they were two closeted gay men who conspired with McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover to smear liberals in the fifties with labels of ''communist'' and ''homosexual.'' Interestingly both Hoover and McCarthy never married and there were numerous whispers that they were both closet cases.)
I also am quite intrigued by some of the quotes used to smear me not only because of their use of anti-gay prejudice but because of CAC's choice of the people I supposedly stalked. I have written much more scathing stuff than anything quoted on CAC but these quotes were used. Why were these particular quotes used? Do these people have axes to grind because of something I said about them? I've said much worse about others.
CAC says: Conlon acknowledges a history of drug abuse:
''It was a fancy place in Laurel Canyon where we consumed large quantities of pot and cocaine...... I'll show you how. You bring the hash. I'll boil the milk and spices '.....the word is 'bhang' meaning hashish ........ stirred into hot spicy milk. Yogis use it to 'open their hearts' and get into feeling instead of just thinking. Yummy. It's illegal? Damn I didn't know that ..... You mean I am a criminal? Thank you counsellor for your cautionary advice.''
This is a hodge-podge of several posts that I made. The first sentence referred to drug-taking in the home of George Blodwell in Los Angeles in 79/80. The subsequent sentences are from another thread where several of us were talking about Rawat's drug-taking and the fact that he forced western premies to drink hashish Bhang.
Another quote referring to Blodwell is used: ''XX (Blodwell's first wife's sister) turned against xxxxxx (Maharaji) in 1980.'' (It is on record in the archives that Blodwell's second wife has said that she will kill for Rawat.) Rawat once said to Blodwell (in a response to one of George's unceasing wisecracks) in a premie honcho meeting in London: ''Don't you know when to stop joking? You just made one joke too many.'' It's on tape. I have it somewhere.
I am quoted as saying: ''You'll rue the day you ever made an enemy out of me.'' This was said to Catweasel whom I had tried unsuccessfully to befriend. CW recently could not resist boasting with his usual inimitable little boy macho manner that he was soon going to return under another guise and wreak havoc on us using his IT skills. Hmmm?
I guess David Smith and Belkis Shah also have axes to grind because I am quoted as saying: ''With the likes of her and Herr Schmidtz running the cult who needs kool-aid?'' I meant of course that they would bore you to death or drive you to suicide with their inhuman robotic cult concepts.
I am quoted as saying about Marolyn Rawat: ''''xxxxxx (Marolyn) has been compared with Tammy Faye Bakker and Imelda Marcos...'' This actually was one of the tamest things that I have said about her. The other stuff may have been too close to the truth to bear repeating. My instructor friend did warn me that some women were involved in the net Jihad.
When I first started posting I was attacked by Bazza/Barry Shaw (who has since returned to the cult armed with lots of information gleaned from his stint as FA of FV) because I was anonymous. My reply to Bazza is quoted: ''Were you one of those bullies who walked around doing security xxxxxx (Ed. - interesting that they x'ed out the word service) dressed in secondhand suits from thrift shops looking like little jumped up hitlers or bus conductors? It's a wonder you didn't say; 'We haf vays of making you talk!' Go fuck yourself, your jerk. And don't ever try to bully me again.''
Bazza had threatened me because I was not forthcoming about the details of the suicide of an aspirant. I did not want to mention the name of the city because it would identify me (I was posting under an alias because I was new to the expremie forum and was still afraid of the cult.) The suicide of this aspirant was the event which finally drove me out of the cult.
(In December last year an aspirant in SF - who was very unhappy and was beginning to suspect that M was a conman - asked his aspirant co-ordinator why it took five months of watching videos of Rawat before he could get Knowledge. He wanted to know why he could not be helped right away if the Master could help him as he had stated in many videos. The deceased aspirant felt that he was being brainwashed into a cult and not ''being saved by the Master'' as promised by Rawat's videos. The aspirant co-ordinator and the local community co-ordinator told the dead kid that he was impatient because he was so young (22) and to have faith in Maharaji. The boy killed himself the next day. His aspirant co-ordinator at the time now posts regularly and anonymously on LG and was as insouciant about this suicide as his master was about the cyclist he killed. His excuse for the boy's death was that the kid was already screwed up. Excuse me - why do people turn to saviours if not to be saved? If we didn't think we needed help we would never have turned to the Master in the first place.)
Perhaps the ordinary premies do have a real beef with me and I do apologize to them for any discomfort I may have caused them but longtime cult members who are also part of the premie elite, such as David Smith, and Marolyn Rawat are fair game. Criticizing longterm premie spokesmen, EV officials and the wife of a public figure whose lavish lifestyle I supported for 28 years is fair game. To me donations and taxes entitle one to criticise the recipients of that money. Politicians and leaders of religious movements who live off other peoples' money are fair game for public discussion. It is also fair game to criticise anyone who in turn stoops to deceit and malice to defend these people to whom I have given tens of thousands of hard-earned dollars.
PS The only other thing I should refute is this: Conlon alleges ties with the IRA. ''Think IRA style cell structure. I'm close to all this. Virtual networking using secure tunnelling protocols, media encryption with decryption requiring more than one local keyholder plus a central key.''
This quote is actually from someone else and I do remember the thread in which it occurred. However I did not follow it closely because I was not interested. Once again CAC has confused me with one of the other four Patrick Conlons who live in SF. One of them does happen to be born in Eire and does openly support the IRA, a position which is not uncommon in SF. But who cares? CAC was published not for mass consumption but only to frighten exes so why should facts stand in the way?
I should probably also add that the porn site alleged to be mine is not. My site lampoons such unimaginative rubbish as that. Mine is a spoof of net smut and the dreadful stuff that looks more like open-heart surgery than sex. But, who cares about facts? It was all really just a terrific joke at the expremies' expense perpetrated by a bunch of silly infantile solipsists - carbon copies of their amoral, superficial and irresponsible ''master.''

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 04:25:11 (EDT)
From: CW
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Not me
Message:

I have been away. None of this has anything to do with me.Looks like the other perspective in the mirror to me Pat.
Cheers
The Cat

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:32:50 (EDT)
From: Peter Howie
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: Who authored CAC?
Message:

Good response PatC.
My suspicians go along your lines as well because there is a marked absense of a certain feline on this sight at the moment. It would be a classic opportunity for him.
It is also a dead giveaway the depth to which CW would read the stuff here. I mean he would respond to some comment hidden at the 50th posting of some other abstruse(I hope thats the right spelling)point. I was getting very suspicious of the level of his involvement. And then I went and looked at LG and noticed his responses there in a similar manner. He must have read nearly every single post. Somewhat long the lines of an obsessed person - swirls of unrequited love leading to obsession. I've experienced it directed against me in the past and it is not pleasant.
Your responses seem both delightfully candid and well grounded. I guess this is the side of the net that can be downright anti-social, anti-community and anti-human. A bit like right-wing christion groups doing their thing on TV to sway public opinion.
Of course from the point of view of the perpetrators of the CAC site we are all fair game and the more regular posters are begging for it. This would be the type of madness that the followers of Jim Jones used to justify holding the children while giving the drugs and shooting people who left the compound. JJ and the other loony fringe need and require people who will see the world through a distorted lens and they clearly have it here. MJ needs these people to procure drugs for him and women for him abd to cover his trails.
Anyway I hope to hear/see you on another forum in the not too distant future.
Cheers.
Peter Howie.
ps I loved your story some time back about the famous person in your restaurant.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:57:20 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Elan Vital as a Racist organization
Message:

I am not surprised to find that Cyberstalkers web site came online at the same time that a police investigation was carried out into my alleged involvement into an organized group of terrorist with the intent of causing bodly harm Guru Maharaji.
When I stand back and look at the total picture I can see that I make an easy target for EV and their puppets to pick on.
Firstly, my name is Middle Eastern,
Secondly, I come from the Middle East; thus I am a very likely candidate to be a terrorists.
That being the case I am also being portrait as anti-Semitic and so am inclined to lean towards anti-Israeli sentiments and therefore co-operating with Palestinian activist. This is the act of a shit-stirrer that is doing more damage to the world by raising hatred and setting ethnic groups against each other. I have known many Jews in my life and contrary to what the shit-stirrer claims I have never treated them with disrespect neither did they. In fact many of the Jews that I knew have invited me into their home and treated me as if I was one of their family.
The precautions of what the shit-stirrer is doing are many folds and can lead to dire consequences. I can vouch for that, because once you've seen it, you'll be hunted by it forever.
This is the message that I am getting from EV.
But where does all this come from?
Well the way I look at it is simple, whoever is writing this stuff is a stereoscopic blind racists that is pushing all the wrong buttons to appear smart and gather support. Considering the sensitive situation in the Middle East, one can see where this is leading. Whoever is the idiot that is behind the Cyberstalker web site knows this and is cashing on it. This is the same fascist tactic that Nazi Germany used against the Jews.
In my life I have tried to avoid confrontations such as these, but the stupidity of EV is nothing but overwhelming. I've lived half of my life being threatened by regimes that have no respect for life and were people got treated as cattle. I have refused to give in and am proud to say that I have come a long way to being a human being. EV is trying to push me back into the cage that I came out from and there is no way in hell that is going to happen. Am not a political activist and I will never be one, yet this is exactly what EV smear campaign is trying to portray me as, but maybe that is not true. In the country that I came from I tried to propagate knowledge. I only stopped for fear of my life when friends advised me that certain agencies were getting interested in what I was doing.
I condemn the behavior of the writer of Cyberstalker as racist and most dangerous and as such I have made copies of the offending posts and will be taking the allegations to:
The Australian Anti-discrimination Board,
the Australian Ombudsman,
The Department of Ethnic Affairs,
the Department of Consumer Affairs and the
Australian Copyright Agency to resolve the issue.
I don't tolerate racism nor discrimination against anybody or myself neither I will allow anyone to accuse me as being such.
EV and their puppets are weaving lies against my person because there is no doubt that they are afraid of being exposed to what they really are by exes and me. Their constant lies, denial and refusal to face the truth is a thorn in their side and will the cause of their downfall as has been demonstrated over and over.
EV's backup of such tactics of racism and intimidation in this affair is obvious for anyone to see as they have not taken any action or given advice to the writers of the alleged website to desist from making such racists remarks and lies.
It is well known to all followers of Guru Maharaji, that no website is lunched on the Internet without prior confirmation from EV and I have the evidence to prove it.
And Maharaji, at one point I would have given my life for you. Now I feel sorry for you to have scummed to such a level, if there is a god I hope he will forgive you.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:54:14 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Thank you Salam
Message:

thanks for taking the time to write such a well-written and serious post which is spot on. Perhaps premies are not racist or homophobic but the cult is using anti-Arab prejudice and anti-gay prejudice to attack.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:53:17 (EDT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Yes Pat, Salam is not racist
Message:

I agree with you Pat. As a(pro-Israeli) Jew, I have never thought of Salam as an anti-Semite.
Regards Jethro

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:15:54 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: HAMMER SCENE
Message:

If a mahatma can harm a person with a hammer I can believe that their fanaticism can carry all sort of actions, however, I think Sir Dave should have fought the HATERS bastards.
Sorry to hear you were bothered. Is all okay?

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:58:08 (EDT)
From: anon
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: Haters!
Message:

'I don't like spinach, and I'm glad I don't, because if I liked it I'd
eat it, and I just hate it.'
-- Clarence Darrow
%
'Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and
finds himself no wiser than before,' Bokonon tells us. 'He is full of
murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by
their ignorance the hard way.'
-- Kurt Vonnegut, 'Cat's Cradle'
%
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
%
Bees are very busy souls
They have no time for birth controls
And that is why in times like these
There are so many Sons of Bees.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:15:49 (EDT)
From: when I have the time
Email: None
To: anon
Subject: I'll write better
Message:

and is not going to be for some time. Sorry to upset you. LOL

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:43:30 (EDT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: All
Subject: JHB
Message:

seeing that this forum is closing, have you archived the latest post. I think there are fairly important things that need to be saved.
I heared about f7, is that true. Is there a url. If there isn't then I have this place to use until something else comes up,
The Panel
I made this thinking that there will be a debate between us and them, I can change the name if neccessary.
Any ideas.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:42:19 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Re: JHB
Message:

please remove my juorney entry from ex-premie.org.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:48:35 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Re: JHB
Message:

Salam,
Please email your request to webmaster@ex-premie.org (otherwise anyone could post such requests here pretending to be exes).
Thanks,
John.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 03:10:27 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: wad u mean
Message:

u don't belive me? I am listed in the hall of shame.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:39:13 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com
To: Salam
Subject: Re: JHB
Message:

[ Forum 7 ]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:04:02 (EDT)
From: Peter Howie
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Re: JHB
Message:

Thanks as I can checkwith this site to see what the next step becomes.
Cheers
Peter

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:28:48 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Peter Howie
Subject: Re: JHB
Message:

for some reason the forum is not accepting new messages, i've written to Bravenet for help. however if all is stuck I will post an update on
IT IS SO

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:05:09 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: This forum closes tomorrow
Message:

I've already deleted my two anti Maharaji sites, The truth about Maharaji and Lord Haharaji's Domain. Tomorrow I'll be closing down The ANYTHING GOES forum and then finally, Forum 6 at around midday EDT.
Then I will leave ex-premie cyberspace forever. This is nothing to do with anyone here - I have already given my reasons. Any posts from me that are seen by my blackmailers will have the potential to cause my family trouble.
I am not happy about things. I rue the day I ever got involved with such an evil cult as Maharaji's. That is the last word you will read from me about this. Thank you for your support and kind words of encouragement but now,
These proceedings are closed.

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:09:42 (EDT)
From: Sandy
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: What the....??!
Message:

Sir Dave,
I have been gone for a bit and have come back to find posts like yours that refer to some sort of blackmail...I just got an e-mail from jai choix telling me that she has been virtually shut down and out of her own e-mail and ability to navigate the web....I plan to read back into the threads to see if I can tell where this all started. Keep the faith and know and trust in the real Power which is stronger than all the rest and connected to the Most High. More power to you.
Sandy

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 02:14:56 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Sandy
Subject: Praise the Lord and grab the ammunition! [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:56:39 (EDT)
From: Peter Howie
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: This forum closes tomorrow
Message:

Thanks for all your hard work.
Yeah it is a real gut twister when others get involved. I remember being about to post a very personal email at one of the forums and then I thought of CW and others and decided that while it would create a more intimate relationship with others on the forum it could also be used to gut me in the future if somone was a totally ruthless bastard. So I didn't post it.
You'll find yourself with a lot more time on your hands - which can also be great - that is unless you are pursuing the cybermob with both hands.
I wish you well on into the future and that the cult becomes a faded memory.
Cheers
Peter Howie
Brisbane, Australia

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:00:13 (EDT)
From: Peter Howie
Email: None
To: Peter Howie
Subject: A little addition
Message:

I remember a TV show a few years ago based on conversations with one of the mafia bosses who had gone to the FBI. Anyway he was talking about how funny he thought the view of the mafia was - so romantic - about not involving families and it being all macho bullshit. He said they went for kids, relatives, wives, mothers, fathers - they utilised anything to get their way including each other. This cybermob sort of takes the gloves off the romantic side of the premie world.
Cheers
Peter

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:16:31 (EDT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Fuck you Maharaji and your sick minions
Message:

You've won this round by a most despicable act of blackmail. Oh, sure, you didn't have anything to do with it, right! But, you're full on behind it and favor it and will not discourage it.
Hey, Maharaji? Do you remember when you and your high priced New York City lawyers (Bob Jacobs) tried to shut down House of Maharaji Drek. Well, I fought you and I won.
But, who can fight this dirty shit? You fucker! You and all the rats that are clinging to your scuttled ship that ain't going nowhere but down, asshole.
Hey Maharaji feast your eyes on this, motherfucker, cause I'm still here. And the trust fund you didn't get out of me to buy a sports car will pay for that site to stay up for 100 years after I'm dead and gone.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:19:36 (EDT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: One more thing, Maharaji
Message:

You really turn me on, Maharaji!

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:10:40 (EDT)
From: Little Mo
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Zenon vs the Church of Scientology
Message:

Searching Usenet shows zenon.net to be a fairly naughty ISP which receives it's fair share of complaints re: spam, etc. Maybe, no more than your average Russian ISP.
Coincidently, ZENON PANOUSSIS is a Dutchman who has been taking on the Church of Scientology for some time having published some of Ron's secret papers on the wires. He was treated in much the same way by CoS as CAC is doing now. They put up an official looking site, ZENON PANOUSSIS, in an attempt to discredit him. A pro-Zenon site is here - Zenon vs the Church of Scientology. The similarities are uncanny.
Little Mo

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:35:27 (EDT)
From: silvia
Email: None
To: Little Mo
Subject: I like this part: Great for premies.
Message:

ON CONTROL AND LYING
____________________
THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can
write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you
can control anybody is to lie to them. When you find an individual
is lying to you, you know that the individual is trying to control
you. One way or another this individual is trying to control
you. That is the mechanism of control. This individual is lying to
you because he is trying to control you - because if they give you
enough misinformation they will pull you down the tone scale so that
they can control you. Conversely, if you see an impulse on the part
of a human being to control you, you know very well that that human
being is lying to you. Not 'is going to', but 'is' lying to you.
[last sentence is underlined in original]
Check these facts, you will find they are always true. That person
who is trying to control you is lying to you. He's got to tell you
lies in order to continue control, because the second you start
telling anybody close to the truth, you start releasing him and
he gets tougher and tougher to control. So, you can't control
somebody without telling them a bunch of lies. You will find that
very often Command has this as its greatest weakness. It will try to
control instead of leading. The next thing you know, it is lying to
the [illegible]. Lie, lie, lie, and it gets worse and worse, and all
of a sudden the thing blows up. Well, religion has done this.
[Following sentence is underlined] Organised religion
tries to control, so therefore must be lying. [end underline]
After a while it figures out (even itself) that it is lying, and then
it starts down tone scale further and further, and all of a sudden
people get down along this spring-like bottom (heresy) and say,
'Are we going into apathy and die, or are we going to revolt?'
and they revolt, because you can only lie to people so long.
Unfortunately there is always a new cycle of lying.
L. Ron Hubbard
Technique 88

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:56:24 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Does anyone want to download LG?
Message:

Might be a good idea to capture all the posts on LG before it's vanquished. Most likely the CAC guys are all there posting aaway and if we ever find out who's who, those posts might be valuable.
Me, I'm blocked.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:28:37 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: IS ANYONE ELSE BLOCKED FROM LG?
Message:

CD's blocked me. Anyone else?

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:34:09 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Yup! My IP is blocked?
Message:

I was just going to ask you. I posted at Anything goes.
Jim, I'll give you a call.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:36:56 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: My letter to CAC's ISP
Message:

Dear sir:
I'm writing to complaing about a website hosted, I believe, on oyur server or a server that is somehow part of your internet domain. The site is called 'Citizens Against Cyberstalking' ('CAC') . The URL is:
http://www.stopcyberstalkers.org
My name is Jim Heller and I am listed on the site as a 'cyberstalker'. I can advise you that I strongly believe that the contents of the page concerning myself (as well as others, which I'll address below) are grossly inaccurate and clearly defamatory. I insist, therefore, that you do somethig immediately, in particular, removing all references to me (and others as I'll explain) and providing me with the names, addresses and other contact information of the people responsible for this website so that I may pursue further action as necessary.
By way of background, I am a criminal lawyer in Victoria, British Columbia. I am also a former member of a religious cult, Elan Vital. Elan Vital, once Divine Light Mission, consists of followers of the hindu spiritual guru, Maharaji (earlier known as Guru Maharaj Ji). Maharaji once claimed to be the 'Lord of the Universe'. As such, he demanded an extremely high level of sacrifice and dedication in his followers. For example, I spent eight years living in his monastic order on the premise that he was indeed who he claimed to be. I was able to extricate myself eventually but the psychological, physical and financial costs I suffered were significant.
Others, unfortuantely, were less fortunate. For one thing, many spent even longer -- decades, in some cases -- in the cult. Worse, others still suffered real psychological breakdowns. There were a number of suicides and it now comes to light that there was rampant sexual abuse that was, at minimum, covered up by the cult and Maharaji. Meanwhile, it turns out, Maharaji himself just got richer and richer. Sad to say but not an untypical history of a cult leader charlatan.
In any event, there is now a sizeable 'ex-premie' (i.e. ex-follower) on-line presence, dedicated to telling the truth about the cult and its leader and confronting him, challenging him, essentially, with the truth of his depraved and hypocritical history and lifestyle. The main site for this on-line community is:
http://www.ex-premie.org/
It's taken a lot of work by a lot of dedicated people to begin to piece together the real picture. It turns out, as often happens in these situations, that Maharaji lead and continues to lead a secret life fully at odds with his public persona. This has been one of the themes the ex-premies have explored an publicized in hopes of pressuring him to stand accountable for how he exploited us all in various ways over the years. To date, however, Maharaji has, most cowardly, stonewalled his critics and left it to others to attempt to defend him. As you might expect, his cult members have tried to do so by attacking us, the former followers. The latest, and most egregious, chapter in their campaign is the CAC site.
CAC has compiled a list of 'The Worst Alleged Cyberstalkers'. Interestingly, eight of the eleven names mentioned are all ex-premies. The other three appear to be 'ringers', if you will, people who may indeed have raised some legitimate concern in some parts regarding possibly stalking activities but who seem to have made the list so as to create a bit of a smokescreen regarding the real targets of this site, the ex-premie community.
For myself, I can tell you in no uncertain terms that the material there about me is fully actionable. First, to characterize me as a 'stalker' of any kind is libelous. Maharaji is indeed a public figure. 28 years ago he hosted a grandiose event at the Houston Astrodome which he proclaimed the 'Most Significant Event in the History of Mankind' and to which he invited almost every major press organ in the western world. Indeed, he announced that he was in fact inaugurating a 'Thousand Years of Peace' for the world at that time, although, in truth, his 'mission' began to fall apart soon thereafter and is now a faint, miserable shell of its former, albeit fraudulent, self. My point, though, is that Maharaji is indeed a public figure who continues to tour the globe demanding unquestioning fealty from his followers (not to mention money). As such, he is subject to fair, vigorous criticism and commentary. If you'll examine the ex-premie site, you'll see that that is exactly the thrust and focus of its materials. My own contributions to the site and the discussions therein all fall in this category.
Much that is written about me on the CAC, however, violates my privacy and defames me in my professional capacity as a lawyer. There are several quotes attributed to me which, in the first place, hardly constitue 'stalking' by any stretch of the imagination and which, besides, are false and malicious. Even quotes of mine which may, in fact, be true are so out of context as to be laughable. Indeed, the site is, in some respects, laughable. The problem, however, is that I'm not just laughing.
For example, the site impugns my integrity and my professional ethics with respect to a recent trial I conducted. I can assure you that the offensive commentary there, implying that I somehow condoned or minimized some pretty ugly facts, is blatant libel. If you don't believe me, ask your lawyers. There's a famous case in Canada, in fact, in which the current leader of the federal opposition party made similar remarks about an opponent (who was also a criminal lawyer) and was forced to settle a defamation suit for hundreds of thousands of dollars. In my view, this attempt at character assassination, particularly in the context of branding me as a 'cyberstalker' will not be seen favourably by any court of law.
The site alleges a number of other things about me which are sheer fabrications or so far out of context. I won't explain them all at this point because, in my view, the entire reference to me is seriously offensive and must be removed. There is no place for some partial correction.
Then there are the others. I can assure you that, like in my case, the other ex-premies cited as 'cyberstalkers' are first, nothing of the kind and, second, egregiously misrepresented by the cult members responsifle for this mischief. Specifically, Salam Al-Ahmar, Michael Dettmers, Kevin Ketzner, Patrick Conlon, David Simpkiss, Jean-Michel Kahn and Gerry Lyng, are not the crazy, deranged, dangerous drug-addicts and worse described by the anonymous hosts of this ugly site. Hardly.
To make mattes worse, as I mentioned above, the site is guilty of some serious privacy invasions. Perhaps the most despicable is the publishing of home addresses, email addresses and phone numbers of these private individuals. David Simpkiss, in particular, I know is outraged by the posting of not just his own picture but that of his young daughter. Mr. Simpkiss is so concerned about this blatant and unlawful intimidation that he has desparately, in my opinion, offered to cancel the various web sites he hosts concerning Maharaji if only the CAC people would remove him (and his daughter's picture) from their site. Indeed, the CAC crew, always unnamed, have responded to his coerced offer as follows:
Mr. Simpkiss:
We at CAC have received your offer.
If you take the steps that you have outlined in your message and cease your cyberstalking activities, including:
- shutting down The Truth About Maharaji, Lord Maharaji's Domain AND
- shutting down all the public forums that you own at hotboard.com
- not transfering the websites and forums to any others
we will immediately remove from our web site your entire profile, the photo, and the metatags.
The public forums under your control are a gathering point for people to misuse the internet and to invade people's rights. If these people wish to assume the responsibility of doing so, they should do so from their own accord, not at your expense.
Send us an email indicating your complaince before noon, GMT, August 23 and we will immediately remove from our web site your entire profile, the photo, and the metatags.
Otherwise CAC activities will intensify.
CAC
If you haven't seen it before, trust me, this is classic cult intimidation. Because the cult can't dispute the information Mr. Simpkiss and others have publicized about them, they eventually turn to blackmail. If, in fact, the cult had any fair grievance with any of the materials published by me or any of the other alleged 'cyberstalkers' would not the best recourse have been to contact our own ISP's or even take legal action? Certainly it would. However, since the cult has no real argument and is simply trying to desparately conceal the truth from the public and its membership, it resorts to such vile, cowardly acts as hosting a website such as CAC.
In summary, then, I am asking that you deal with this problem with immediate dispatch. I'm sure that if you review the materials, you'll see how outlandish the CAC materials are, at least with respect to the ex-premies subject to this blatant attempt at character assassination.
I look forward to your prompt reply and advise you further that I will forward copies of this letter to relevant authorities as I see necessary.
Sincerely,
Jim Heller

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 01:44:27 (EDT)
From: Barry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim! Hey man...
Message:

you should send those fuckers at CAC a better picture! say that one where your horns are popping out of your head! Ha haha ha! Great letter Jim!

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:14:50 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: One got through, two bounced
Message:

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Your message has been received by the message processing system
of the 'Zenon N.S.P.' Company.
Please do not reply to this message. This is only a generated
confirmation, showing that we have received your Abuse report
and are working on it. Since the volume of email doesn't allow
us to reply personally to each report, this may be the only
response you will receive. Each Abuse report will be investigated
and appropriate action against the offender of the our policies
http://www.zenon.net/services.en/0014.html will be taken.
Additional information regarding spam can be found on
http://www.zenon.net/support.en/0376.html
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Zenon N.S.P Technical Support
support@zenon.net
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However, domain-registrar@register.com failed
As did weaklyj@pipeline.com
Got any other addresses?

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:04:32 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: write to register.com
Message:

abuse@register.com
Maybe between the 2 addresses someone will listen if enough people write.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:11:40 (EDT)
From: Little Mo
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: My letter to CAC's ISP
Message:

Jim
The email address on the CAC message to Dave was - kontchalovski@johndoes.org
johndoes.org is a internet free speech group.
You might want to send them another email as they are acting as agents for CAC communications.
Little Mo

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:57:18 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I'm proud of you
Message:

Nothing more to say, you said it all.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:52:23 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Hey, it bounced -- anyone with the ISP address?
Message:

Please?

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:06:02 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Great letter
Message:

Great letter, Jim. Perhaps correct the typos and spelling before forwarding, but excellent writing. I have a feeling this site may not be hosted by an ISP.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:09:10 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Too late!
Message:

It's gone, typos and all. Sent to all places JHB gave me plus cyber angels. It's far from a great letter but then I'm not charging myself $250 for a great letter, now am I? :)

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:18:07 (EDT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: NEVER Too late!
Message:

It's gone, typos and all. Sent to all places JHB gave me plus cyber angels. It's far from a great letter but then I'm not charging myself $250 for a great letter, now am I? :)

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Here I go disagreeing with you again! It IS a GREAT letter, Jim, and deserves to be enshrined IMO somewhere as a standing response to this CACafied cult's deep plunge into utter slime...(typos corrected, though :))

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:05:06 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: CAC and their ISP's addresses
Message:

CAC's correct address appears to be:-
info@stopcyberstalkers.org
The ISP abuse address is abuse@zenon.net
Other addresses for the ISP are:-
noc@zenon.net
postmaster@zenon.net
Good luck Jim!
John.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:18:32 (EDT)
From: Little Mo
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: CAC and their ISP's addresses
Message:

Routing and peering issues: noc@zenon.net
SPAM issues: abuse@zenon.net
Network security issues: security@zenon.net
Mail and News issues: postmaster@zenon.net
Customer support: support@zenon.net
General information: info@zenon.net

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:26:12 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Little Mo
Subject: Thanks, just copied all [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:41:17 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Excellent
Message:

Jim,
Good move. You could also send a copy to the listed 'registrant' which is register.com in New York. Phone is 212 7989200.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:21:57 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: All
Subject: A place to start
Message:

The 'Citizens Against Cyberstaking' bogus website attacks a number of innocent people and spreads lies about them, mostly through the use of information taken out of context, ridiculous character assassination, and just plain dumb claims.
All this done under the coward's cloak of anonymity. Hypocrisy in the extreme. So aware of the bogus and ridiculous nature of the claims that the author has to remain anonymous/ and won't even put his name, location or anything biographical on the site. Anyone with an ounce of sense would give zero credibility to a website that is obviously just phantom bullshit.
One of the things on the site which it uses to try to gain some credibility is a link to 'cyberangel' which is a website on which you can report people who are harrassing you on the internet. I would strongly suggest that anyone who has been attacked by that anonymous website, go there, click on to cyberangel, and report that website for doing the very thing it is accusing you of.
Actually, you can reach cyberangel, which seems to be a legitimate operation at:
www.cyberangel.org
Hit the '911' button and report CAC.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:27:33 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Link Doesn't work
Message:

Hi Joe,
I just tried to the link and it has the following message:
Hier entsteht eine neue Internetpr�senz !
Maybe it is not authentic, why would they link to an official site.
Why would we trust THEM. This is getting uglier by the hour.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:32:01 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Correct link
Message:

Joe left the 's' off
[ Cyber Angels ]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:54:33 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Thanks nt
Message:

nt

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:23:32 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: And also,
Message:

Mention to cyberangel that CAC is using a link to their website, and ask that they demand CAC drop the link.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:02:16 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Have you complained to the registrar?
Message:

Register.Com is listed as the registrar for the CAC website. If you were maligned on that site, send a complaint email to abuse@register.com. That will alert them to any potential legal action which they will not welcome. This is precisely how J-M's original site was shut down before - by someone complaining to the host. You could also complain to abuse@zenon.net but as they are in Russia, I wouldn't expect miracles.
I am royally pissed at these pranksters who, IMHO, are not EV or M operatives but bored, sophomoric and ignorant zealots. A life form somewhere between pond scum and graffiti taggers. Rats thinking they are saving the Titanic on its way down.
Register.com is in NY at 212 7989200.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:46:13 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: yes and others should
Message:

got an auto response am waiting.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:28:26 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: PS: To EV monitors and CAC miscreants
Message:

Personally I don't think EV instigated the CAC site. But whoever created the elaborately untruthful website, it's result is the same cyberstalking it accuses those people of. You should be aware that it only further damages M's reputation and credibility amongst the few remaining Western devotees he has and they are his financial backbone. The it-aint-so.org site, which was created with good intentions, has resulted in many PWK's wanting to know more about the allegations around M&K. Some of those former participants have now either cancelled their automatic donations or left altogether. Without western dollars coming in M will have no interest in the US, Oz or Europe. If you are not involved with this hoax, you should be very concerned. The pointing finger results in three more fingers pointing back at you and M whether you dreamed up the site or not. As this bizarre attempt to discredit a group of concerned former followers backfires, you EV folk may want to consider spiffing up your resum�s. �lan Vital will inevitably be made to take the fall for this latest in a serious of fiascos. M has never done otherwise than assign blame to his own loyal organization.
However this shakes out, more people will know more than you ever imagined about M, K and EV.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:23:33 (EDT)
From: Joey
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: Have you complained to the registrar?
Message:

I am royally pissed at these pranksters who, IMHO, are not EV or M operatives...
And with all due respect Richard, IMHO, that's exactly what they ARE.
Remember, 'not a leaf moves...'

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:35:50 (EDT)
From: Pedro
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Please can we come in ?
Message:

Those nasty CACA people are gonna make all the ex premies homeless for a while through blackmail.
So I hope you don't mind if we come on over here and use this forum for a while ? Just 'til we find some new accomodation ? You don't mind ? Shucks thanks ! Hey ex premie dudes come on over here , these guys'll put us up for a few nights !

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:37:39 (EDT)
From: Pedro
Email: None
To: Pedro
Subject: Above post to LG
Message:

Jus' gonna post this over at life's great for a con man.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:14:01 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Just to stirr the pot
Message:

There are many ways to get addresses and phone numbers. Lets fight them. Is their wrongdoing.
Jim?

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:58:36 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: All
Subject: IMPORTANT please read
Message:

Can someone please save the contents of the
The Truth About Maharaji site
ASAP and before this site goes away?
gracias.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:07:03 (EDT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: damn, Truth About Maharaji site is gone
Message:

this sucks!
I can just imagine Fatso Maharaji sitting around sipping a cognac having a little satisfied grin on his drunken stuporous face.
Fuck you, pal! The last laugh will be ours. You cannot prevail, dickhead.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:44:56 (EDT)
From: Selene to everyone
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: just got email
Message:

Someone has done it but it needs checking. A duplicate wouldn't hurt of course but it sounds like all is well.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:49:13 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Selene to everyone
Subject: Re: just got email - just finished
Message:

Can't have enough copies and I'll save it to CD in case my hard drive crashes.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:50:32 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: I agree the more the better
Message:

I'm a backup fanatic, learned the hard way.
Thanks Pat!

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:36:58 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT please read
Message:

I'm halfway through but there's a lot and I have to pick up my dog from the vet after his surgery. I hope someone else is also doing it.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:11:57 (EDT)
From: silvia
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT please read
Message:

each link????

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:20:28 (EDT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: silvia
Subject: Lets not duplicate everyone, eh
Message:

If anyone starts saving, and I have started,
yeah each link Sylvia!!, there's service for ya!!
can they post before starting, don't mind doing this but not if loads of us are.
I'll be back in half an hour to see if any duplication etc etc

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:20:00 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: silvia
Subject: ze whole enchilada
Message:

all contents please. Mistress Selene is a harsh task mistress b)
Now, I can't prove this but someone working with me told me Office2000 MS Word can do this, links and all. He may be right !!
Perhaps we have found a use for b)ill after all.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:23:29 (EDT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Is it just that site that needs copying?
Message:

All the text is in the html yeah?
Don't mind doing it manually,
especially with the image of such a harsh task mistress standing over me

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:35:02 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: weaving dreams
Message:

I could show you tricks huh? Some shortcuts along ze vay.
As I told you (didn't you listen you bad boy?) MS Office2000 lets you do a save as on the main page, save as entire htm or sometink.
Ah but you have that Mac contraption so I am hopelessly lost.
I do know in Dreamweaver on Mac there is a way to mirror a site, keep all links intact, but I ain't got no dreamweaver.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:01:41 (EDT)
From: ham
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: I have access to
Message:

dw'r, but but I'd need the password to access over ftp, wouldn't take a minute.
If a Bill Gates aficionado turns up soon fine, otherwise I'll do it manually yeah.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:09:54 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: ham
Subject: I posted above in this thread
Message:

and PatC did. It's been copied but hey why not copy it again?
Sorry I won't have to whip you into shape though.
(am preparing for the end of AG :(

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:17:13 (EDT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Why not start an AG yourself, it's really easy
Message:

to set up and get going, c'mon, you could do it in your sleep, and it don't cost a penny if you don't mind a Harry Potter Billboard at the top.
Willdo a copy, since it looks like only Pat has, just hate duplication and time wasting, reminds me of workin for SServices,!
Will get crackin now.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:33:59 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: read your email
Message:

That's an order

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:23:41 (EDT)
From: hamsen
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Nice one, top one, sorted
Message:

As they say.
OOooooohhhh, you could make mincemeat of me easy.
All copied bar the last link on the last page re Child Abuse in GM's org, no page exists etc, think I got everything else
Will check e-mail when I can get in there, supposedly neither hotmail or yahoo exist either, got to be me server no?
Anyway that took 3 hours, so I'm off, probably literally too!

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:44:54 (EDT)
From: Bob (o)
Email: None
To: All
Subject: see ya all @forum7
Message:

Tracing the agya is IMHO the best way to go: just like pia the kaka site should become more 'synchronized' within the week.
(that is: unless it is a very rogue site OR if it is already completely orchestrated by direct agya beforehand...)

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:56:23 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Bob (o)
Subject: Re: see ya all @forum7
Message:

My premie informant told me to expect CAC last week but did not know the name of the site. I may be a poofter but I am not a sissie. See you on F7.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:40:02 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: see ya all @forum7
Message:

So this is not just the work of the lone ranger(s)?

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:09:49 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: a group effort
Message:

So this is not just the work of the lone ranger(s)?

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This is what I was warned about last week and it is done by a group of elite premies. I will write another post about this later.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:19:55 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: a group effort
Message:

If it is done by a group of elite premies, I suspect they are all about to be sued in their individual and corporate capacities.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 21:24:48 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: salam_au@iprimus.com.au
To: Marianne
Subject: Re: a group effort
Message:

PatC,
plase e-mail me when you have the infor ready, I don't want to miss the post
Salam

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:31:35 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Link To New Ex-Premie Forum
Message:

[ Forum 7 ]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:37:10 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Well done, Gerry! Thanks - NT [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:27:33 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Please don't pver react
Message:

I just wanted to say, that I don't think that new website is a big deal. It's so sleazy, so stupid, and so lacking in anything that even makes sense, it would be laughed at by anyone but a true die-hard cult member, like whoever put it together.
Look, people can put about anything on the internet. That's just the way it is, and to be the object of an attack is a bad feeling, but to recoil from it and split, is certainly not the way to deal with it.
Look, is Maharaji or premies disagree with anything ex-premies say, they are free to come here and correct any misstatements. But, the don't. Why?
They can contact the people who maintain the EPO website, but I can tell you that they had never done that either. Not, premies, not Pia Grunbaum, not Charles Glasser Jr, not Elan Vital, not Maharaji. None. If there is some kind of misinformation that ex-premies are saying, well, there is a way to correct that, but that doesn't happen. Why?
Well, the answer is that Maharaji is a terrible coward when it comes to the truth. He isn't the least bit interested in the truth, or in integrity, or in other people. He is only interested in money and being worshipped. It wasn't until what ex-premies were saying started to threaten his income and the level of adoration from premies that Maharaji did anything to address this, and then, it wasn't to correspond, engage, or explain, it was to play dirty, because that's what he does.
It's all pretty clear isn't it? And it's clear to everyone. For all to see. I think when immoral cowards like Maharaji feel pushed into a corner, they fight dirty. And they use others to do it for them, so fearful of it themselves.
But, if CAC or Maharaji or Elan Vital thinks this open discussion by his ex followers and exposing all the stuff Maharaji and his cult have done is going away, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn they might be interested in buying. That's hysterical.
If one forum goes down, two more will be there the next day. Do they seriously think this is going to stop? Get real. Or maybe, pray. Or try to surrender more, or remember holy name.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:40:56 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Exactly, Joe
Message:

CAC is so obviously silly and dishonest that no one except other cult fanatics will take it seriously. Oh, and of course any innocent third parties who have been damaged will be taking their case directly to Rawat since his name is mentioned on the site.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:06:39 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: Exactly, Joe
Message:

This is both serious and comical at the same time.
It is obsurd for Maharaji or that site will stop me from posting on the forum. Granted, I am not here a lot, but I'm not going away, either. Where ever the expremies meet, I will be there to tell the truth and to protect my rights as an American to speak freely about a public figure.
If Maharaji wants to start a law suit against me, well then, bring it on. But I have little to lose. I am saying this because I know of illegalities that occurred during the DECA project.
SUE ME MAHARAJI! YOU ASSHOLE!
Maybe we all should list our grievances and abuses individually and see what kind of suit we can come up with for damages. Abridgement of the right to free expression?
Not to mention being in that evil cult!
Forget this shit! I'm not scared! I WANT YOU TO SUE ME MAHARAJI! EV MONITORS, YOUR HEAR THAT? SUE ME ASSHOLES!

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Date: Wed, Aug 22, 2001 at 07:27:20 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: USA
Message:

It is comical but is not fair, or right to terrorize people.
You live in the USA, right? You have my e-mail address I believe. Write to me, would you?
TRUE: MAHARAJI IS AN ASSHOLE!

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:13:14 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: CAC's response to my email & the end
Message:

CAC has responded to my email where I have asked them to remove my page from their site with the pic of my daughter and our street address and phone number. This is their response:

From : kontchalovski@johndoes.org
To : sirdavid12@hotmail.com
Date : Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:55:29 GMT
Mr. Simpkiss:
We at CAC have received your offer.
If you take the steps that you have outlined in your message and cease your cyberstalking activities, including:
- shutting down The Truth About Maharaji, Lord Maharaji's Domain AND
- shutting down all the public forums that you own at hotboard.com
- not transfering the websites and forums to any others
we will immediately remove from our web site your entire profile, the photo, and the metatags.
The public forums under your control are a gathering point for people to misuse the internet and to invade people's rights. If these people wish to assume the responsibility of doing so, they should do so from their own accord, not at your expense.
Send us an email indicating your complaince before noon, GMT, August 23 and we will immediately remove from our web site your entire profile, the photo, and the metatags.
Otherwise CAC activities will intensify.
CAC
I will be complying with all of their wishes. Unless you yourself have been blackmailed with your own children (I have three) put at some unknown risk, you cannot understand why I have done this.
This Forum 6 will have to close and be deleted tomorrow. The Anything Goes Forum will also be deleted tomorrow. All of my websites will be deleted tonight. I cannot and will never put any of my children at the remotest risk because of Maharaji's cult.
My first duty is to my children. I am sorry for all the inconvenience caused.
David Simpkiss.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:40:52 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com
To: Sir Dave
Subject: AYB
Message:

CAC has responded to my email where I have asked them to remove my page from their site with the pic of my daughter and our street address and phone number. This is their response:

From : kontchalovski@johndoes.org
To : sirdavid12@hotmail.com
Date : Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:55:29 GMT
Mr. Simpkiss:
We at CAC have received your offer.
If you take the steps that you have outlined in your message and cease your cyberstalking activities, including:
- shutting down The Truth About Maharaji, Lord Maharaji's Domain AND
- shutting down all the public forums that you own at hotboard.com
- not transfering the websites and forums to any others
we will immediately remove from our web site your entire profile, the photo, and the metatags.
The public forums under your control are a gathering point for people to misuse the internet and to invade people's rights. If these people wish to assume the responsibility of doing so, they should do so from their own accord, not at your expense.
Send us an email indicating your complaince before noon, GMT, August 23 and we will immediately remove from our web site your entire profile, the photo, and the metatags.
Otherwise CAC activities will intensify.
CAC
I will be complying with all of their wishes. Unless you yourself have been blackmailed with your own children (I have three) put at some unknown risk, you cannot understand why I have done this.
This Forum 6 will have to close and be deleted tomorrow. The Anything Goes Forum will also be deleted tomorrow. All of my websites will be deleted tonight. I cannot and will never put any of my children at the remotest risk because of Maharaji's cult.
My first duty is to my children. I am sorry for all the inconvenience caused.
David Simpkiss.

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All Your Base Are Belong To Us

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:42:35 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: Re: AYB
Message:

Just in case you guys are paranoid -- the above is my commentary on the mentality of the CAC attempt at blackmail.
-a0aji

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 20:43:56 (EDT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: FUCK THEM Dave
Message:

..but I do understand your concerns for your children. My own are happily playing on a Devon beach from which I have just returned after a long weekend only to find all this shit.
Thanks for all your efforts in exposing the lying charlatan Prem Pal Singh Rawat aka Guru Maharaj Ji, & the grotesque discrepancies between the public Saviour of Mankind & the private scumbag.
From a brief skim of what's been going on I'd say these lowlifes need to be stopped.
If you ever hear, even a whisper, on the grapevine that they intend harm to the persons of ex premies or especially their children, I'd appreciate a call. I'm in the phone book & I think you probably know the area. I'll know what to do.
All the Best: Pat Dorrity

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:35:42 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Archiving your work
Message:

David,
I'm so sorry you must do this. This religious fanaticism is the sign of desparately insecure people - rats trying to save the Titanic.
I would be willing to download and archive the contents of your sites for future use if you wish. Just let me know.
Richard

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:30:13 (EDT)
From: Francesca :C)
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Hope that means LIFES GREAT
Message:

... is going down too. I assume it is. Bests to you. No need to sweat it. Gerry has picked up the Forum torch.
LOVE,
Frnacesca

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:23:10 (EDT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Francesca :C)
Subject: Shouldn't have said that
Message:

There's good people at LG too, who are about peace and not hate, amongst the sneering hateful swine.
Francesca

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:47:38 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: CAC's response to my email & the end
Message:

Sir Dave,
The fact that they responded is proof that this is BLACKMAIL and that is an extreme offense. I'm these evil people threatened your daughter's safety. EV-il fucks that they are. We have names.
CAC has no idea what a dangerous can of worms they have opened.
Please stay in touch, email me a.s.a.p.
I have legal advice for you.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:27:11 (EDT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: r.e. da infamous CACa Lardus
Message:

Oh yeah: 'it's a war', m. reportedly said recently. Guess somewhere along the line der Lard himself and summa der fuhrer's premies forgot about da '1,000 years of peace' -- da lion and da lamb will live together in da promised land.
Da Russian Boris connection -- legally, a very convenient gulag outpost. Hey, talk about cyberstalking!!! Brilliant Minds at work in participation and synchronicity!
kudos, miragey! Praise da Lord incarnate fer showing da true colors of da 'big dog' Cerberus, who guards the proverbial gates of Hell.
'Where the Devil can't go he sends his grandmother.'
-- German proverb
'The Devil often transforms himself into an angel to tempt men, some for their instruction and some for their ruin.'
-- Saint Augustine
'The devil is free to remain good, but there is no good in him.'
-- Saint Thomas Aquinas
'God seeks comrades and claims love, the Devil seeks slaves and claims obedience.'
-- Tagore
Blessings to all da brothers and sisters!
Peace and lentils,

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:28:19 (EDT)
From: such
Email: None
To: suchabanana
Subject: No, I'm Spartacus...
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:18:51 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Bring it on, I say
Message:

Who in the fuck do they think they are, muertos de hambre.
Yesterday a premie said to me: 'I'm okay. I'm just dying to have darshan.' My response was. Oh you, cult member. Kissing feet, eh? That is what life is about. That is how far the guru take you, to yearn for him. Do you have anything else going on your life?
I know he doesn't. I mean. Needy people. Maharaji is their drug and they cannot conceive life without him.
SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THEIR PICTURE!
PLEASE DAVID, DON'T DO IT.
Follow Dreks advice.
Love to you,
silvia

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:14:20 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Dave, Question
Message:

How did they get your street address and phone number? I mean is it something that is available anyway? If so, does it really matter that much? The allegation that you are a 'cyberstalker' is so ludicrous and so ridiculous that no one would ever believe anything on that site. Should you maybe think about it some before giving in to those creeps? If they are 'successful' with you, it will only encourage them to continue their immoral and illegal attacks on others.
Dave, have you talked to a lawyer?

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:37:22 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Dave, Question
Message:

That is what has worried me; how they got that address. I have never given it out on the internet. I think they may have used a private detective.
Whatever, they have it in for me. I must now withraw and leave ex-premiedom completely. Talking to a lawyer would do no good. The damage has already been done. I have to exit the ex-premie scene. Disappear, vanish and be forgotten.
Thanks for all of your kind and supportive words here, you Joe and everyone else. We all know the score. We know what's happening.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:40:43 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Dave, you are over-reacting
Message:

Dave, you can get an address and phone number on a simple search through Yahoo or another people-search engine. It's not big deal. Dave, they did not hire a private detective. The picture they got because you posted it. The address they got through a simple search on the internet. Period. You aren't going to be harmed, Dave, please at least give this a few days to think about, before you react out of fear. They want you to be afraid and there is no reason to be. Neither yourself or your daughter is in danger. That site is a sick joke and nobody will believe it.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 22:46:46 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Dave, you are over-reacting
Message:

Dave, you can get an address and phone number on a simple search through Yahoo or another people-search engine. It's not big deal. Dave, they did not hire a private detective. The picture they got because you posted it. The address they got through a simple search on the internet. Period. You aren't going to be harmed, Dave, please at least give this a few days to think about, before you react out of fear. They want you to be afraid and there is no reason to be. Neither yourself or your daughter is in danger. That site is a sick joke and nobody will believe it.

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Good thoughts.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:13:37 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Dave ..address from phone? or company director? [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:10:08 (EDT)
From: WHY
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: Dave, Question
Message:

Why Sir dave.
Please,
if you can email me. Stay in touch

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:13:09 (EDT)
From: Sorry
Email: None
To: WHY
Subject: silvia above nt
Message:

nt

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:48:02 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Dear Sir Dave....
Message:

That is what has worried me; how they got that address. I have never given it out on the internet. I think they may have used a private detective.
Whatever, they have it in for me. I must now withraw and leave ex-premiedom completely. Talking to a lawyer would do no good. The damage has already been done. I have to exit the ex-premie scene. Disappear, vanish and be forgotten.
Thanks for all of your kind and supportive words here, you Joe and everyone else. We all know the score. We know what's happening.

---
The safety and security of you and your family always come first.
The thing I don't understand is how can someone named 'doe' dictate to you what you must do or not do?
I'm know you ''get it'' and your personal concerns are most important; think about all the waste of time and loss this so-called ''compliance'' will have cost you.
Aside from this insidious new move by this truly evil troll (Maharaji) and my objection to it, I am in a different life situation and would not have so much to lose (no kids, no money).
Thank you so much for everything, Sir Dave. You have truly earned that title and you are a wonderful and forgiving person. This last tactic on the part of the Maharajism cult is unforgivable.
To publish your personal information and a picture of your daughter? That is beyond the pale and has to be illegal--isn't this blackmail?
Be well (under the circumstances) and keep in touch on the next Forum if you can. You are a kind, courageous, and strong man.
Much Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:55:53 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: stars@uvic.ca
To: Cynthia
Subject: Yes, it is Blackmail
Message:

Please email me Cynthia.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:08:51 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: CAC: Arrogant Bullies
Message:

I can't believe the arrogant and nasty tone of that email. What kind of a jerk is running that site?
David, I understand your position, but giving in the blackmail only makes things worse. I think pressure will be brought to bear in other quarters to get your daughter's picture removed. This whole thing is blowing up in Maharaji's face big time. If the neanderthal who is running CAC thinks he isn't hurting Maharaji a whole lot more than he's helping, he is even more stupid than the CAC website would suggest.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:21:57 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: IT SHOWS THE CULT MENTALITY
Message:

I agree Joe. They trying; doesn't mean we have to buy their crap. Look at the names they use for the ex-premies and the adjectives. Is disgusting and extra abusive. At least we tell the truth. Our truth.
We had to kiss his feet to be REAL devotees.
They? Dreaming, poor souls...

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:58:18 (EDT)
From: Chuck S.
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: CAC's response to my email & the end
Message:

I'm so sorry to hear this Sir Dave, but I understand completly. Those kids must come first. It IS blackmail, but not suprising. These folks are no better than Scientoligists or Moonies.
Until something else is sorted out for a new forum, Chez Louella is available for friendly folks who are not blackmailing bastards.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:57:31 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Good luck Sir Dave ! [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:46:39 (EDT)
From: Mr. Mind
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Thank you, Dave
Message:

It is the only possible response to the situation. I will miss your perspective on the subject of the Maharaji.
Best wishes,
Mr. Mind

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:32:58 (EDT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Fuck this shit!
Message:

I'm calling EFF right fucking now!

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 19:01:43 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Right on! [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:50:40 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: This will do for tomorrow
Message:

be the first to post on Ex-Premie Forum v7

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:53:24 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Quick work Gerry ! [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:15:25 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: Prophecy Fulfilled !!!
Message:

Has this not come to pass???
[ Forum 7 ]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:19:34 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Yeah Gerry we live in wondrous times ! [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:35:19 (EDT)
From: yup me2
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Re: Fuck this shit!
Message:

I'm writing to someone also.
Sorry EV monotoners - lurkers - monitors - cyberstalkers but I am NOT saying who I'm writing to.
===============================
may your evil ugly toenails crack down the middle and grow fungus. ooooooooo mean threat better write me up -
Selene

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:23:15 (EDT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: yup me2
Subject: Re: Fuck this shit!
Message:

There but for the grace of god go I Dave.
good luck and I agree dont take chances with it. We can always work out another forum.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:33:20 (EDT)
From: silvia
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: Fuck that NT
Message:

yeap

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 16:05:00 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: CAC in deep doodoo: damages non-premie
Message:

Hi guys, I've been itching to make this post but we added another computer to our network yesterday and of course everything went wrong. So I've been off-line till now.
Yesterday Joe asked me if I managed the Pilsner Inn which is mentioned in CAC's attempted smear of me. No, I don't. The Patrick Conlon who owns the Pilsner is a different person who has never had anything to do with the cult and never was a premie or expremie.
I did not answer Joe yesterday because I wanted to make sure that the owner of the Pilsner Inn and his attorney saw the site before I pointed out the error and CAC removed any reference to him immediately which they will when they realize that they are damaging an innocent third party who has nothing to do with the cult. Now I must point this out publicly in order to spare him any further harassment by the cult and damage to his business which may result from being linked with the CAC smear of me.
CAC says: Conlon also manages the Pilsner Inn, (Ed - here CAC publishes a private phone number and home address of an innocent third party) which is listed in the Guide to Gay San Francisco: ''Over the past year the Pilsner Inn has become tremendously popular with the 20-30-?ish beer-thirsty queer. The Pilsner is friendly - cruisey...no need to hide in a dark corner and leap on your prey...pour some of your pitcher into his/her glass and start talking. Lots of pool, dart and pinball junkies of every sexuality hang out here.''
San Francisco, being a very Irish town, has a page of Conlons, a common Irish name, in the phone book. Four of those Conlons are Patricks, also a common Irish name. One of them owns the Pilsner Inn. I happen to know him well as we are both in the hospitality industry and are both gay. He is a bit older than me and a very honest, warm and gentle man who does not deserve to have his private phone number and home address put on a site which anonymously accuses people of stalking women and hints that the accused are also guilty of child molestation and other assorted crimes.
The cult members who designed CAC must have assumed, since I am openly gay, as is the owner of the Pilsner, that we are one and the same person. I am grateful for CAC's arrogant stupidity because this is grounds for the owner of the Pilsner to pursue a civil case against them. So it turns out, as I thought, that Rawat and his defenders really are their own worst enemies.
The site should have been examined by Rawat's lawyers first before being put on line even if only to do fact checking because the site mentions Maharaji (''For several years, a few persons, working together, have tried to damage the personal and professional lives of many persons interested in Maharaji's teachings.'') and it's main purpose is to defame anyone critical of Maharaji. Maharaji himself will be held to be the instigator and planner of this attack and may also be liable. It is too late for CAC's designer to escape this consequence by removing the damaging reference because the site has already been seen by too many people and the legal wheels have already started turning.
Because the owner of the Pilsner Inn is a famous and well-loved figure in the San Francisco gay community and bcause of the anti-gay insinuations contained in CAC's smear, the gay anti-defamation organizations in San Francisco may also be interested in pursuing legal remedies and supporting him with their sizable political and financial clout. The cult made a big mistake to invoke anti-gay prejudices as a smear tactic. No one should underestimate the gay community's sensitivity on this matter or its power to seek redress from its defamers.
I will not bother to correct the other lies, distortions and extracontextual quotations (all of which are on record in the FV archives) as I think the site is more damaging to Rawat as it stands - just as the revisionist lies on his own website (maharaji.org) are. And anyone who does not know me is not interested in the cult/CAC's lies but those who do know me will see it for what it is - a desperate and dishonest attempt to silence Rawat's critics.
However the cult should not have used expressions of anti-gay prejudice such as: ''(Conlon) claims to have homosexual liaisons with men;'' ''Conlon...seems to take particular delight in expressing the more bizarre fields of personal preferences;'' ''Conlon acknowledges a deluded lifestyle;'' ''Someone gave me a wig and a dress and I got up in drag for the second time in my life.'' All of these comments are designed to play on anti-gay prejudice and smear me with the supposedly hideous label of ''gay.'' The owner of the Pilsner Inn and I are openly and proudly gay and find this sort of stuff amusing but it is also extremely damaging to the cult.
Thanks CAC, you have made my day. The more lies cult members tell the better for those of us who want to speak the truth. The cult should have stuck to the facts and refuted critics of Rawat legally and rationally. Instead they have resorted to lies and twisting of facts. This only emphasizes their total disrespect for the truth, their arrogant belief that they are above the law and their solipsistic irresponsibility bordering on insanity.
cc The Attorney at Law for the Pilsner Inn and it's owner
cc The Attorney at Law for CUAV (a local gay anti-defamation organization)
cc The Attorney at Law for the Human Rights Commission (the national gay anti-defamation organization)

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:23:54 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: CAC in deep doodoo: damages non-premie
Message:

This irrational behavior by premies should make us all wonder how far away we are from having words escalate to physical attacks. I should think given the proven history of premies against people who disgree with m should be brought to lite in this case (Detroit - hammer hashing of the pie thrower). If I owned that inn I would fear for my life given past reckless behavior by premies and rerpesenatives of DLM (now EV). Maybe we are close to the point where renewed violence from premies against those that disagree can not be to far off.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 23:22:27 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: lets contact the news
Message:

it is plain fanaticism and is getting very weird. let pick a good media and all of us can write. Noice is needed.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:05:13 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Way to go Patrick...
Message:

Actually, the organization to reach is GLAAD (Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation), probably the local chapter in San Francisco. I agree that the CAC website is homophobic on top of everything else that's rotten about it, but that isn't surprising, hearing how homophobic Maharaji is himself, according to the comments that he made, according to Dettmers and Dennis Murphy, Maharaji's former cook.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:12:13 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Thanks Joe, Iwill cc GLAAD
Message:

The other Patrick is much more into gay politics than I am and is a big donor to CUAV and HRC and holds many positions of power inside gay organizations.
Too funny, that Rawat's homophobia will be his downfall.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:24:58 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: But are they traceable Pat?
Message:

Boris could be an elaborate fictitios hoax ,I reckon Australia is the centre of the action.....yhey could even be conning the web host they are using. They are too cowardly to risk anyone actually sussing out who they are.
I reckon there is at least one way but then again they'd have to ultimately come out in the open .....which I doubt they'd do.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:34:18 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: Rawat is traceable and
Message:

the gay organizations will go after him as he is in California where what has been done in his name is regarded as a ''hate crime.''

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:34:12 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: Yeah, but it reflects on Maharaji
Message:

That's the key. The website makes Maharaji look even worse than he already does. It makes him look vindictive. Here is this multi-millionaire, arrogant former guru, who the are predisposed to press hate and make fun of anyway, using surrogates to make homophobic attacks on people who have the audacity not to like him, and to say it publicly. That's where the pressure comes from.
What CAC does reflects directly on Maharaji. If he wants to, he could make it known that he wants those people to cut it out, because it's getting in the press, the anti-homophobia groups are getting involved, and Maharaji's name is all over it.
On the other hand, if Maharaji is behind it completely, he will bear the consequences. Perhaps he doesn't care. We shall see.
But Maharaji is the 'master' of whoever but that site up, and everyone knows that if he didn't want it there it would be GONE.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:40:57 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Sorry, got garbled
Message:

That should say:
Here is this multi-millionaire guru whom the press are predisposed to hate and make fun of anyway, using surrogates to make homophobic attacks on people who have the audacity not to like him and say it publicly.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:54:11 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Yeah Pat, Joe...true enough ,, [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:10:11 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: However Pat /Joe !!! NT
Message:

When the site becomes a liability EV will publically denounce whilst also denoucing EPO......it'll LOOK tacky but the lawyers will ensure no liability falls on 'the speaker' !!!!!!
But if it becomes a big gay issue over there then just the publicity will be a great laugh !!!!!

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:46:21 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: wait until the gay orgs see
Message:

all the records of Rawat's homophobia - well-documented stuff and it's a mindbending CULT which is anathema to freedom loving gays.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 17:44:54 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Absolutely - Rawat is mentioned by name
Message:

and will be confronted by anti-defamation gay organizations for using homophobia to smear people.

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:49:55 (EDT)
From: Pink letter day for Rawat !
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Pink letter day for Rawat !
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 18:54:55 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: Above post mixed up..but you get drift ! [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Aug 21, 2001 at 15:31:19 (EDT)
From: ~Silvia~
Email: None
To: All
Subject: 'Teach Me Devotion'
Message:

The lyrics of the famous songs we used to sing to the Living Perfecter Master, God encarnated.
'Teach Me Devotion'
Our Father has come to lead us along
the path of Perfection
he has come to make us understand why we're alive
he is PURE and his love is deeper than the oceans
he is taking CONTROL
and he's making us all ONE
And we are asking PLEASE, please teach me DEVOTION
Oh Maharaji please, show me, I'm ready to start
I can see that your LOVE is deeper than the oceans
Come and take CONTROL and make us all ONE
OUR FATHER has come to lead us along
the path of Perfection
he has come to make us understand why we're alive
he is PURE and his love is deeper than the oceans
he is taking CONTROL
and he's making us all ONE
And we are asking PLEASE, please teach me DEVOTION
Oh Maharaji please, show me, I'm ready to start
I can see that your LOVE is deeper than the oceans
Come and take CONTROL and make us all ONE
I'm asking, please, please teach me DEVOTION....
Come and take CONTROL and make us all ONE
Come and take CONTROL and make us all ONE
He is taking CONTROL and making us all ONE.
'HERE IS HERE'
He is come again, he is here
The only ONE that I'd really love all these years
He is come to take me home
And I'm going with them this time, HE is here.
I can't believe is really YOU
You really come, is really truth
I can't believe you love me like you do
After all I've done to YOU
So now you see me on my WORSE
Ashamed I never put YOU first
I feel my heart will burst in two
With all the love I feel for YOU
You'd forgiven all my foolish pride
Is no judgement, no need to hide
Everything is opening up INSIDE
He is come again, he is here
The only ONE that I'd really love all these years
He is come to take me HOME
And I'm going with them this time, HE is here.
I don't know why I went away
I know I never ment to stay
Times when I was lost I used to pray
You'll find me someday
I acted brave and unconcerned
Pretending like my back was turned
Through it all I'd never learned to hide
The YEARNING deep inside
So now YOU are here, my dearest oldest friend
LOVERS now the way is always been
I feel like I'm coming home again.
He is come again, he is here
The only ONE that I'd really love all these years
He is come to take me HOME
And I'm going with them this time, HE is here.
Oh yeah, is such a blessing to be a premie. I remember how happy I REALLY was with the yearning. We were peeled like an onion. Stripped off of our dreams;he invaded each inch of us and took it all alright. We couldn't THINK about nothing else but HIM. Abuser! Surrender. Be devoted to me he asked. How far did he take us? Nowhere, but down.
No premies. It ain't SO.

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