Ex-Premie Forum 7 Archive
From: Aug 23, 2001 To: Aug 27, 2001 Page: 5 of: 5


BTDT -:- Maharaji's temper -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:27:56 (EDT)
__ Jethro -:- M's temper:from destroyed archives -:- Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 08:04:30 (EDT)
__ __ Jim -:- What do you mean, it was deleted? -:- Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 14:37:42 (EDT)
__ nonrumi -:- In Deca -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 21:05:21 (EDT)
__ __ btdt -:- Re: In Deca -:- Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 00:33:45 (EDT)
__ Joe -:- I had only one encounter -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:51:48 (EDT)
__ __ a0aji -:- ::I had no ambition:: -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:12:12 (EDT)

Something about -:- Boris -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:18:18 (EDT)
__ Salam -:- Re: Boris -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:56:31 (EDT)
__ Julian -:- The Mob -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:31:37 (EDT)
__ __ Irish man -:- Re: The Mob -:- Sun, Aug 26, 2001 at 03:28:34 (EDT)
__ __ Bin Liner -:- Are you the Julian I knew in Turin? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 20:32:19 (EDT)
__ __ __ Julian -:- Re: Are you the Julian I knew in Turin? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 21:59:09 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Bin Liner -:- What's this could be shit? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 22:44:39 (EDT)
__ __ salsa -:- Re: The Mob -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:41:06 (EDT)
__ __ __ Guido Ji -:- Hey You Talkin to ME? (nt) -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:49:31 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ disalsa -:- YEAP nt -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:06:59 (EDT)

cq -:- Guess who needs more volunteers? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:34:14 (EDT)
__ such -:- perhaps I could host at my parish -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:38:42 (EDT)
__ Selene -:- and writers perhaps??? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:08:18 (EDT)
__ __ a0aji -:- ::bring it on:: -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:25:12 (EDT)
__ __ __ Selene -:- oooo scary stuff -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:08:37 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ a0aji -:- Re: oooo scary stuff -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 15:39:18 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Selene -:- mostly jsp pages -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 15:58:03 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ a0aji -:- Re: mostly jsp pages -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:28:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ a0aji -:- Re: ::my war face:: -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:42:04 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- What a cutie.... -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:33:42 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ a0aji -:- ::mail sent:: -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 15:53:38 (EDT)
__ __ Selene -:- ps forgot to add -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:45:37 (EDT)
__ silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER -:- Do you mean SLAVES? NT -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:52:09 (EDT)
__ __ cq -:- No, Sylvia, that's why there are vacancies. -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:10:40 (EDT)
__ __ __ silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER -:- I'm getting it -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:27:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- Good on yer, Sylvia! -:- Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 09:14:58 (EDT)

From LG -:- Bjørn E post -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:24:09 (EDT)
__ cq -:- Bjorn has chosen to stop posting here -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:57:46 (EDT)
__ Oh him -:- Isn't Bjørn the paedophile -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:52:23 (EDT)
__ __ salam -:- Re: Isn't Bjørn the paedophile -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:59:06 (EDT)
__ __ __ salsa -:- Re: Isn't Bjørn the paedophile -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:29:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ salam -:- Re: Isn't Bjørn the paedophile -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:45:09 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Bjørn isn't a pedophile -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:13:25 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ salam -:- Re: Bjørn isn't a pedophile -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:57:47 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry the powerless -:- Bjørn isn't a pedophile -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:10:53 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ salam -:- Man, that hurts. -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:34:11 (EDT)

JHB -:- Gerry - Email me re archiving!!!! -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 07:11:29 (EDT)
__ salam -:- jhb -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:34:58 (EDT)

Pat:C) -:- Joe, I apologize to David Smith too -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:54:43 (EDT)
__ a0aji -:- This is improvisational theatre, anyway -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:15:32 (EDT)

Loaf -:- LOTU -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:40:03 (EDT)
__ Pat:C) -:- We don't have new guard houses and security -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:08:45 (EDT)
__ __ Loaf -:- Re: We don't have new guard houses and security -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:17:01 (EDT)
__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Are you sliced white bread, Loaf? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:35:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Silvia -:- No sissies here, right! -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 07:49:19 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Sliced White Loafie -:- Pat, Small Potatoes is what I suspected [nt] -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 05:27:15 (EDT)

salam -:- The Truth About fatso -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:02:05 (EDT)
__ JHB -:- Re: The Truth About fatso -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:36:46 (EDT)
__ __ salam -:- yep -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:00:27 (EDT)
__ Pat:C) the Fat Fag -:- You are being fattist, Salam -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:15:00 (EDT)
__ __ Pat:C) -:- PS your forum has been down all day -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:30:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ salam -:- your computer doen not work -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:33:04 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Chuck S. -:- Oops, will try again... -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 20:29:37 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Chuck S. -:- Darn, here is the link again...... -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 20:36:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Chuck S. -:- We tried it on three different computers... -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:59:49 (EDT)

ELIZABETH -:- crapanyone? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:06:19 (EDT)
__ a0aji -:- ::no thank you -- I'm full:: [nt] -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:32:10 (EDT)

btdt -:- Marolyn/Durga Ji -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:06:00 (EDT)
__ a0aji -:- : : : G o o d T h r e a d : : : -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:56:47 (EDT)
__ such -:- both -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:30:12 (EDT)
__ sILVIA, AFRAID OF RAWAT'S POWER -:- Marolyn/Durga Ji is a public figure -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 07:56:55 (EDT)
__ __ uSE WIND POWER THEN OR FUEL CELLS -:- Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji is a public figure -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:36:51 (EDT)
__ __ btdt -:- Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji is a public figure -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:35:21 (EDT)
__ a0aji -:- Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:07:29 (EDT)
__ __ btdt -:- Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:45:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ a0aji -:- :: thank you btdt :: [nt] -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:40:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ A premie told me with all that grace -:- it would make anyone a better parent -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:43:38 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ a0aji -:- :: you got that right :: [nt] -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:46:47 (EDT)
__ salam -:- Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:48:39 (EDT)
__ __ Pat:C) -:- Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji - fear -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:22:55 (EDT)
__ __ __ btdt -:- Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji - fear -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:41:33 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji - fear -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:57:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ a0aji -:- :: Advent of Durgringo Ji :: -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:52:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ btdt -:- Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji - fear -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 15:15:58 (EDT)

Rich -:- The ONLY Focus....Maha/Rawat and HIS Behaviors -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:06:53 (EDT)
__ Richard -:- Damn, Rich... -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:31:53 (EDT)
__ Joe -:- Re: The ONLY Focus....Maha/Rawat and HIS Behaviors -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:08:20 (EDT)
__ Jim Sander -:- Rich, I agree 100% with you.. -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:21:02 (EDT)
__ __ RichMandrake -:- Thanks Jim... -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:40:26 (EDT)
__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Nicely spoken, Rich -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:49:43 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Jesus Christ, Pat! -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:21:15 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ a0aji -:- :: I need a fill :: -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 18:21:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Re: Jesus Christ, Jim! -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 15:00:09 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ a0aji -:- : : W A N T E D : : [nt] -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 18:22:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- ***NEW CAC THEORY**** -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 15:17:35 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Re: ***NEW CAC THEORY**** -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 15:26:35 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Joe -:- Patrick? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:14:09 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Re: I don't discourage it, Joe -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:23:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ salam -:- hey Patsee -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:09:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ salam -:- bull })}) -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:10:43 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Cow! b) -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:39:40 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ a0aji -:- As Gilmore said so well: -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:16:33 (EDT)

Roger eDrek -:- armed and extremely dangerous -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:52:47 (EDT)
(ex)tremely safe -:- Re: armed and extremely dangerous -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 19:28:17 (EDT)
__ Roger eDrek -:- Ah, but what else is there? -:- Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 13:49:43 (EDT)
__ a0aji -:- ::that experience -- that girl : coincidence? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 19:41:43 (EDT)
__ __ That Girl -:- My Soul's Liberation -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 20:36:08 (EDT)
__ silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER -:- Re: armed and extremely dangerous -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:02:42 (EDT)
__ SC -:- That is totally brilliant writing... -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 05:30:30 (EDT)
__ Roger AK eDrek -:- Thanks, check out the Chronicles of the Red Nighty -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:34:22 (EDT)
__ __ SC -:- It's funny but I got the opposite -:- Sun, Aug 26, 2001 at 01:34:11 (EDT)
__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- SC read Red Nightie ages ago -:- Sun, Aug 26, 2001 at 04:25:32 (EDT)
__ __ salam -:- Oh hello SC -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:44:13 (EDT)
__ __ __ SC -:- Hi Salam -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:33:00 (EDT)
__ Zelda -:- Re: armed and extremely dangerous -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:10:58 (EDT)

Marianne -:- Hey Salam! -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:37:33 (EDT)
__ [Blank] -:- Re: Hey Salam! -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:56:12 (EDT)
__ __ Stonor -:- LOL!!! -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:18:31 (EDT)
__ __ __ silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER -:- Re: LOL!!! -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:05:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ saucy -:- Re: LOL!!! -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:24:43 (EDT)

Carl -:- I just had this vision for a satire site; -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:24:21 (EDT)
__ such -:- we got a sat-ire site [nt] -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:29:37 (EDT)
__ __ Carl -:- Righto! Feelin' IRE-ish, aren't we? Satfully [nt] -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:41:12 (EDT)

premlita -:- What is going on? -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:40:31 (EDT)
__ afraid of M darkness -:- Re: What is going on? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:58:34 (EDT)
__ Cedron -:- Re: What is going on?? -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:38:53 (EDT)
__ __ salam -:- Re: What is going on? -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:40:59 (EDT)
__ __ __ Cedron -:- Yes -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:33:03 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ salam -:- what language is that -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:57:51 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Cedron -:- Re: what language is that -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:46:38 (EDT)
__ Zelda -:- Re: What is going on? -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:30:53 (EDT)
__ a0aji -:- Re: What is going on? -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:53:02 (EDT)
__ __ Would you prefer Prem-Latte -:- I think it means -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:41:33 (EDT)
__ __ Salam -:- Re: What is going on? -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:20:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ })})})})}) -:- Look everyone, a caca is here -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:29:37 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ a0aji -:- {{{{{{ moo [nt] -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:31:04 (EDT)
__ __ Look who's talking handles! -:- you ouiji tosser -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:19:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ Steve -:- Hi Wango -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:08:57 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ a0aji -:- Life's Grate: where the runoff goes.. -:- Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:21:31 (EDT)
__ __ __ })})})})})})})})})}) -:- })})})})})})})})})})})})})})})) -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:30:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ [Blank] -:- Re: you ouiji tosser -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:28:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ a0aji -:- to sir with love -:- Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:38:08 (EDT)


Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:27:56 (EDT)
From: BTDT
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Maharaji's temper
Message:
I've read the journeys about Maharaji getting mad about service projects not being up to his 'standards'. Does anyone have any information concerning his temper outbursts that were not a result of a specific project? Does he just get furious out of the blue? So how come he could get so mad about an airplane seat buckle and not Jagdeo?
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Date: Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 08:04:30 (EDT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: BTDT
Subject: M's temper:from destroyed archives
Message:
In the early 90s I visited Australia where I stayed with a premie couple. One of which who had been an initiator(instructor?) in the late 80s.She told me that when she was in Penang(circa 1988) for an initiator training course with m.
Anyway, m had some gripe with someone who didn't agree with him about something, so he made all the instructor-candidates line up and shout 'fuck you' together, As far as I understood, the whole thing was videod by m and sent to that person.

The last time I put up this story I put in the name of the person who told me(who incidentally told me that she refused to participate in the video). It appears that that post has been deleted so I won't repeat the name(no pun intended). It should be noted that that story has never been denied. There were at least 30 people there. Where are they now????..convenient memory lapse maybe

bye for now

Jethro

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Date: Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 14:37:42 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jethro
Subject: What do you mean, it was deleted?
Message:
Jethro,

That's not the kind of info that ever should be deleted here. Please feel free to say who told you this. It's the only way these stories carry any weight, when we, at least, do all we can to flesh them out. This is actually a really important story in many respects. It's so bizarre compared to the normal m routine we're all aware of. If anything, I wonder, are you still in touch with this couple? Have you ever thought of asking the former instructor to post her own first-hand account? This isn't trivial. It says far too much to be trivial.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 21:05:21 (EDT)
From: nonrumi
Email: None
To: BTDT
Subject: In Deca
Message:
Somebody I know worked in Deca, Miami's old slave shop fixing and remodeling planes, to give money to the then 'god' maharaji. He said that Lord used to be really pissed off many times and that most premies felt scared every time 'he' came to visit because every time he would find fault on something. He was sure always to belittle someone. Lilas my ass in wheels.
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Date: Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 00:33:45 (EDT)
From: btdt
Email: None
To: nonrumi
Subject: Re: In Deca
Message:
thanks. this stuff is really amazing when all the pieces come together.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:51:48 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: BTDT
Subject: I had only one encounter
Message:
I was never 'x-rated' and I have never even been to 'the residence' in Malibu, and only marginally at 'the residence' in Miami Beach, and not while Maharaji was there. I'm sure others who were, can tell you stories about that, both Dettmers and Donner, for example. Since they were 'x-rated' Maharaji might have felt he could let more hang out then.

But I saw an event that really freaked me out about Maharaji in 1979 or 1980 in Miami. I won't repeat all the details, because I've told it a couple of times already, but it had to do with the stage for one of the big Hans Jayanti festivals in Kissimmee. He hated the stage, (they had built a mock up so he could comment) and the 'residence' they were building for him up there, but he just continually humiliated and brow-beat the premies who were doing it and refused to say what it was he didn't like. He didn't like it and he just seemed to get more furious that the premies couldn't read his mind and do what he wanted without him having to tell them.

To see the cowering fear among those premies, who believed he was God or close to us, and who blamed themselves for being unable to serve the living incarnation of God was very frightening. I watched this from the sidelines and it made me sick to my stomach. The 'master-devotee' relationship is inherently sick, dehumanizing, and as we know from hearing about Maharaji's other behaviors, open to rampant abuse of human beings.

I recall some of those premies giving satsang later, which in retrospect sounded a lot like rationalization. They speculated on what Maharaji was trying to 'teach them' what they 'needed to learn', how they needed to 'pray for the grace to surrender,' and how all they wanted to do was be 'used up' by Maharaji and disapear as a seperate, individual being.

It kind of makes me sick just to remember that.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:12:12 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: ::I had no ambition::
Message:
I was never 'x-rated' and I have never even been to 'the residence' in Malibu, and only marginally at 'the residence' in Miami Beach, and not while Maharaji was there. I'm sure others who were, can tell you stories about that, both Dettmers and Donner, for example. Since they were 'x-rated' Maharaji might have felt he could let more hang out then.

But I saw an event that really freaked me out about Maharaji in 1979 or 1980 in Miami. I won't repeat all the details, because I've told it a couple of times already, but it had to do with the stage for one of the big Hans Jayanti festivals in Kissimmee. He hated the stage, (they had built a mock up so he could comment) and the 'residence' they were building for him up there, but he just continually humiliated and brow-beat the premies who were doing it and refused to say what it was he didn't like. He didn't like it and he just seemed to get more furious that the premies couldn't read his mind and do what he wanted without him having to tell them.

To see the cowering fear among those premies, who believed he was God or close to us, and who blamed themselves for being unable to serve the living incarnation of God was very frightening. I watched this from the sidelines and it made me sick to my stomach. The 'master-devotee' relationship is inherently sick, dehumanizing, and as we know from hearing about Maharaji's other behaviors, open to rampant abuse of human beings.

I recall some of those premies giving satsang later, which in retrospect sounded a lot like rationalization. They speculated on what Maharaji was trying to 'teach them' what they 'needed to learn', how they needed to 'pray for the grace to surrender,' and how all they wanted to do was be 'used up' by Maharaji and disapear as a seperate, individual being.

It kind of makes me sick just to remember that.


---

Yeah. I didn't have much ambition, so the services I did rarely
gained me any notice by anybody. I'd do security at night, for
example. Nothing ever happened on my watch. If it wasn't for
the darshan line, I'd have never had much sense of Maharaji, other
than what he does when on stage.

Now that I think about it, I know most theatrical actors much more
intimately than I ever knew Maharaji, since I'm not afraid to speak
with them after the show is over. I never once wrote to Maharaji;
I'd heard him quoted as saying 'that letter has no heart in it' or
somesuch; I didn't want my letter being put to any test of heart --
because it seemed to me the 'heart' theory was being applied to
people whom *I* thought had plenty of *heart*.

I'm sure, for a microsecond, I thought 'what an asshole that
Maharaji is.'

Way to go, Chris' brain! You're pretty smart! I'm sorry I didn't
listen to you -- you were always loyal; always looking out for me.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:18:18 (EDT)
From: Something about
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Boris
Message:
I am curious..

Since the cac site author is supposedly Boris,has anyone written ev and asked them Specifically if they have any contact with him, or know him in any way?

And will they join with epo in denouncing his thinly veiled campaign to threaten critics of maharaji?

Will they tell him to remove the anti-ex posts?

Do they see how much this is hurting m/ev if they don't?
Does ev categorically deny that anyone associated with maharaji has been working with Boris 'behind the scenes'.
This would be good to get in writing, in case further revelations indicate they did.

Also, would Boris be so kind as to list a few 'cyberstalkers' from the premie community who continuously harass epo contributors?

And would Boris include a bio on maharaji himself?
When you think about the way that m operates, and the deceptions he has engaged in, isn't he misusing the internet to fraudulently take in people?
When you think about how the cac can distort things about a person, imagine what that mentality could do on a guy with a past like maharaji?

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:56:31 (EDT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Something about
Subject: Re: Boris
Message:
Elan Vital claims that they have no knowledge of Who the CAC Group is. Charles Glasser claims the same. In an interesting post below, JHB had also pointed this out. Unfortunatly, as long as there is no evidence linking EV and CG to CAC, I am adopting the same approach.

It maybe that CAC is a run away train. Ev attitude about the whole affair is that of someone being beaten. Am sure they can know who are the people behind CAC if they want. But I guess forums do not enrich people's experience of knowledge.

Does Maharaji knows. He has to. He is a god, no?

rawarsucks

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:31:37 (EDT)
From: Julian
Email: None
To: Something about
Subject: The Mob
Message:
The mob always has 2 faces. Threaten, blackmail, harrass, knee-cap, pimp, drug & arms run and extort but when asked about it they will condemn such practices publically and vehemently.

Look at IRA/Sinn Fein for another good example.

Elan Vital is the friendly public face of the mob just like Sinn Fein is the friendly face of the IRA. The godfather always remains set apart and unaccountable. This is how mobs work.

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Date: Sun, Aug 26, 2001 at 03:28:34 (EDT)
From: Irish man
Email: None
To: Julian
Subject: Re: The Mob
Message:
I strongly object to your comparison of Maharaji, the mob and Irish republicans. I would suggest you look at your very own Queen as the polite face of a tyrannical race that has committed genocide against the Irish people. The sooner you get out of Ireland the better
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 20:32:19 (EDT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: Julian
Subject: Are you the Julian I knew in Turin?
Message:
Pat Dorrity
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 21:59:09 (EDT)
From: Julian
Email: None
To: Bin Liner
Subject: Re: Are you the Julian I knew in Turin?
Message:
Could be but let's not discuss it here. Have you an email address?
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 22:44:39 (EDT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: Julian
Subject: What's this could be shit?
Message:
patrick@dorrityp.freeserve.co.uk
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:41:06 (EDT)
From: salsa
Email: None
To: Julian
Subject: Re: The Mob
Message:
you got it right!
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:49:31 (EDT)
From: Guido Ji
Email: None
To: salsa
Subject: Hey You Talkin to ME? (nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:06:59 (EDT)
From: disalsa
Email: None
To: Guido Ji
Subject: YEAP nt
Message:
nt write
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:34:14 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Guess who needs more volunteers?
Message:

35 vacancies
now up for grabs on the Marie Celeste ... ooops, sorry, at Elan Vital UK:

current vacancies: Last updated on 15:08:01

Midlands Area Roles
current vacancies include: Area Communications Contact, Area
Introductory Contact, Area Aspirant Contact, Area Post Knowledge
Support Contact, Area Materials Contact, Area Participation Contact,
view roles...

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current vacancies include: Area Communications Contact, Area
Introductory Contact, Area Aspirant Contact, Area Post Knowledge
Support Contact, Area Materials Contact, Area Participation Contact,
[ Page Link ]

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:38:42 (EDT)
From: such
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: perhaps I could host at my parish
Message:
not - hehehe
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:08:18 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: and writers perhaps???
Message:
Hey Roger you could apply you just got an endorsement from a VERY talented writer. No really, I did like your story. Too bad so much of it is true b) :) (joke, I hope)

HA HA I love it. Vacancies in service tothe Lord of the Universe.
How organized and structured god is these days.

Am not around much and it's not only because I think CAC has reaffirmed my convictions about the HATE and repressed growth so many premies carry around and spout out at the wrong people.
But it is the beginning of the year and all the teachers (real teachers) and students (ditto) who were playing all summer suddenly have found me and are in a panic. I'm very busy.
And whenit all settles down in my life I am not sure what I'll be doing around here. But one thing for certain, I am in agreement with Deborah, I won't be showing my cards.

All these armed and dangerous people !! How funny having a gun is the norm where I live. I'm quite good. So my bio could read...

Along with many visits to ER to remove ......... from ........
this person is also mentally unstable and armed.

rawatsucks.
Time for coffee!

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:25:12 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: chris@hafey.com
To: Selene
Subject: ::bring it on::
Message:
Hey Roger you could apply you just got an endorsement from a VERY talented writer. No really, I did like your story. Too bad so much of it is true b) :) (joke, I hope)

HA HA I love it. Vacancies in service tothe Lord of the Universe.
How organized and structured god is these days.

Am not around much and it's not only because I think CAC has reaffirmed my convictions about the HATE and repressed growth so many premies carry around and spout out at the wrong people.
But it is the beginning of the year and all the teachers (real teachers) and students (ditto) who were playing all summer suddenly have found me and are in a panic. I'm very busy.
And whenit all settles down in my life I am not sure what I'll be doing around here. But one thing for certain, I am in agreement with Deborah, I won't be showing my cards.

All these armed and dangerous people !! How funny having a gun is the norm where I live. I'm quite good. So my bio could read...

Along with many visits to ER to remove ......... from ........
this person is also mentally unstable and armed.

rawatsucks.
Time for coffee!


---

See, I want them to show up at my doorstep. ;) I'd love nothing
better. I have a lot of unresolved anger, and I'm combative to
begin with.

You know I have not seen a premie (friend or foe), face to face,
since I first viewed this site? Not one, not once.

Bring it on.

I repeat my challenge to CAC: profile me. See if I care! If I am
very lucky, I'll get a book deal or a movie out of it.

Chris Hafey, Torrington CT USA (phone number is in the book)
[ My Web Site ]

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:08:37 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: oooo scary stuff
Message:
NO I like your pic. You look Irish heee.
I could see you in a movie. All of this and all of our characters are great writing material. Wish I had time to just create and write.
Something about writing code takes it out of me.
Interesting, that. About your not seeing any premies. I haven't either. Not since January of 1998!! Except once crossing a busy intersection one was crossing the other way and gooned one of 'those' smiles at me and we both kept walking.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 15:39:18 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Re: oooo scary stuff
Message:
NO I like your pic. You look Irish heee.
I could see you in a movie. All of this and all of our characters are great writing material. Wish I had time to just create and write.
Something about writing code takes it out of me.
Interesting, that. About your not seeing any premies. I haven't either. Not since January of 1998!! Except once crossing a busy intersection one was crossing the other way and gooned one of 'those' smiles at me and we both kept walking.


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Shh! I'm playing the TOUGH GUY now (puffs out chest).

I am Irish, and Polish. I think some Czech, too.

What are you coding, Selene? I'm writing in Forth (www.forth.org)
lately.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 15:58:03 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: mostly jsp pages
Message:
With xml-rpc calls - and lots of help :)
If you are Irish, Polish. and some Czech my bet is you ARE tough.
I knew lots of people with some sort of that combo back east.
OK off to dogsit. hmmm wonder if that could be misconstrued?
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:28:46 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Re: mostly jsp pages
Message:
With xml-rpc calls - and lots of help :)
If you are Irish, Polish. and some Czech my bet is you ARE tough.
I knew lots of people with some sort of that combo back east.
OK off to dogsit. hmmm wonder if that could be misconstrued?


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My father was tough. Nobody's ever tested *me* yet, to see if I am. ;)

Being 6'2' gives a man a great opportunity to practice pacifism
in action (if not speech, heh).

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:42:04 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: Re: ::my war face::
Message:
See, I want them to show up at my doorstep. ;) I'd love nothing
better. I have a lot of unresolved anger, and I'm combative to
begin with.

You know I have not seen a premie (friend or foe), face to face,
since I first viewed this site? Not one, not once.

Bring it on.

I repeat my challenge to CAC: profile me. See if I care! If I am
very lucky, I'll get a book deal or a movie out of it.

Chris Hafey, Torrington CT USA (phone number is in the book)


---

My war face. Bring it on.
[ Graphic Link ]

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:33:42 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: What a cutie....
Message:
Hi Chris,

I just emailed you to register. Hey, you haven't changed a bit, err, well, maybe a little bit. You are a naughty boy indeed.

Torrington? I have friends in Torrington, Morris, and Litchfield. How'd you make to to Torrington, of all places?

Next time I go to Conn. to see my family, it's right on my way. Let's get together. I don't know when that will be, because I'm quite busy these days, but I'd love to see you and gossip about the old premie crowd!

Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 15:53:38 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: ::mail sent::
Message:
Hi Chris,

I just emailed you to register. Hey, you haven't changed a bit, err, well, maybe a little bit. You are a naughty boy indeed.

Torrington? I have friends in Torrington, Morris, and Litchfield. How'd you make to to Torrington, of all places?

Next time I go to Conn. to see my family, it's right on my way. Let's get together. I don't know when that will be, because I'm quite busy these days, but I'd love to see you and gossip about the old premie crowd!

Love,
Cynthia


---

Sure, that sounds great, Cynthia.

My brother's here; I've grown close to him and his family,
especially after my hernia (Dec 1999) surgery; I stayed with
them for three weeks and suddenly realized I had a family. ;)
Eventually, I moved here, to be close by.

I quit smoking (again!) quite recently; I have maybe seven or
eight good years of quit (cumulative); the rest I was smoking.
I'm pleased that pic is no longer accurate, but I'd be a fool
to say it couldn't be, again. Every time I quit, it gets easier
to quit, and the quit seems more effective than the last time.
On the other hand, something about starting up as often as I
have has also broken the illusion of staying quit forever, which
is sad and tragic.
Lessons learned.
I'm glad you're here, Cynthia. You always seemed kind, to me.

Love,
Chris

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:45:37 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: ps forgot to add
Message:
A big THANK YOU to all the people who saved the contents of The Truth About Maharaji. (no need to answer this)
ok
see ya
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:52:09 (EDT)
From: silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Do you mean SLAVES? NT
Message:
n
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:10:40 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER
Subject: No, Sylvia, that's why there are vacancies.
Message:
No, Sylvia, that's why there are vacancies. Slaves can't leave, even if they want to.

But look on the bright side - at least some premies are finding the courage to re-evaluate.

Maybe we can assist in that process. After all, every single one of us exes was once a premie, weren't we? And walking away wasn't exactly easy for many of us. I think the more we can empathise with those premies who are 'on the borderline' of making such a major change in their lives, the better the communications will be between us all.

Balance is the key.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:27:23 (EDT)
From: silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: I'm getting it
Message:
I'm, really.

I don't attack premies as I did, if you have noticed.

The insultive ones can have my understanding too. Fanaticism is a 'disease' too.

Thanks cq.

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Date: Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 09:14:58 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER
Subject: Good on yer, Sylvia!
Message:
Sylvia, if you're afraid of Maharaji's power ... just imagine what he feels about ours!

He's tried to re-write his history, to burn the books, to deny that his claim of being 'the Lord' which was the cause of so many of us giving everything we had to him and his supposed 'mission'. Many, many premies have wasted so many years of their lives because of his claims. Claims which he now pretends never even to have made. Our anger is perfectly understandable. Trouble is, we can get sidetracked into dumping the anger onto current premies, who aren't really to blame for what Rawat has done. They are as much victims of Rawat's designs as us. In fact more so - 'cos they're still trapped in his co-dependency trip. At least we got away.

Fortunately (as you very well know), not all the books and videos were burned. That's the real power that ex-premie.org has.

What kind of 'master' is so ashamed of his past that he tries to destroy all the evidence of what he once said? Not one to be trusted, IMO.

The power that we, and all the premies who remember the 'early days' have, is to present his history to the new aspirants. He doesn't seem to like that.

I wonder why?

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:24:09 (EDT)
From: From LG
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Bjørn E post
Message:
Posted: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 07:59:38 (EDT)
Original: NA
Posted by: Bjørn E Recipient: All
Email Address: Not Provided
Browser Type: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98)
Message Count: 4 visits (4 today, 4 this week, 4 this month, 4 this year)

Subject: One difference between exes and
Message:

'other people' seems to appear.

For years exes has been harrissing, entering the private sphere, libelled and written all bad thing about 'other people'. No one of the exes raised a voice, that this was not Ok.

Now some exes has gotten their own medicine in the face by the cac site.

So all the 'other people' (and the exes) say a 'no, no' to such sites. Even EV who has been the exes target for years says a 'no, no.'

So the conclusion is I think 'other people' and EV show some integrity.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:57:46 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: From LG
Subject: Bjorn has chosen to stop posting here
Message:
Bjorn has chosen to stop posting here, (link) so maybe it'd be best to post any feedback to him over on LG, where at least he has a chance to attempt to defend his viewpoint.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:52:23 (EDT)
From: Oh him
Email: None
To: From LG
Subject: Isn't Bjørn the paedophile
Message:
why you post his crap here?
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:59:06 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Oh him
Subject: Re: Isn't Bjørn the paedophile
Message:
because bj is one of the CAC Group. They are trying to justify their action to the world as having been on the recieving end of the stick.

EXes I love all. If this was a political party, we would have won the presidency.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:29:20 (EDT)
From: salsa
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Re: Isn't Bjørn the paedophile
Message:
BJ was a while back telling us on F7 that 'something' may happen if we continue trashing mariachiji. I remember that clearly, because I saw it as a warning. Yes. I think he is in it.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:45:09 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: salsa
Subject: Re: Isn't Bjørn the paedophile
Message:
what sort are u? The salsa.

This whole afair could be the creation of a crazed maniac. It is even very likely that the owner lives in a country close to Russia, has links there through business contacts. He could by trying to fool us by putting a picyute that locks like that Ameican shit house. No sir. The people that worked on Pia's site have moved to CAC. Notice the split coulmn. What am pissed of about is that they have copied the exact method that I used to crticise Pia's site.

Yep, some scandanavians are involved into this.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:13:25 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Bjørn isn't a pedophile
Message:
That was a mistake.

He is from Norway. I doubt he has anything to do with CAC, but that's just my personal opinion.

Since he's not posting here, if you want to engage him go to Lifes Grate.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:57:47 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: Bjørn isn't a pedophile
Message:
I did not say he was. All I know is that he doesn't have the best childhoods. And, if I want to talk about him here I will and if I want to go there I will too, so what you gonna do about it ha, common shtick em up now }).
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:10:53 (EDT)
From: gerry the powerless
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Bjørn isn't a pedophile
Message:
I did not say he was. All I know is that he doesn't have the best childhoods. And, if I want to talk about him here I will and if I want to go there I will too, so what you gonna do about it ha, common shtick em up now }).


---

No, I can't do anything about it. Except for maybe this:
[ Graphic Link ]

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:34:11 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: gerry the powerless
Subject: Man, that hurts.
Message:
you bastard. Who is the FA here? Please ban gerry.sheesh
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 07:11:29 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: jhb@ex-premie.org
To: All
Subject: Gerry - Email me re archiving!!!!
Message:
:-)
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:34:58 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: salam_au@iprimus.com.au
To: JHB
Subject: jhb
Message:
do you need a spanish translator, if you do e-mail me and tell me what u want to translate. Please don't say you want everything translated :)
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:54:43 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: All
Subject: Joe, I apologize to David Smith too
Message:
It's late but I must write this to you now because I have a heavy week ahead of me building up to Labor Day and then I'm taking a week off. I don't know when I'll get another opportunity.

I answered your post about anger kind of superficially while having a tea break at work so I'll add a bit to that. I think by now you must know that I value your judgement a lot. That's why I am writing this.

When I first arrived on FV I was extremely angry about the suicide of an aspirant here in SF. I expressed that but I also did the fag thing and that is I hid a lot of my hurt with campy jokes. I know you'll understand what I'm talking about. Like many despised people, the Jews, cockneys, Irish etc we often deal with our pain with humor. But eventually the laughter took over. It was exhilirating to be free of Maharajism and so there was Thelma etc and gossip about premies I had known - vicious gossip which you chided me for several times.

Yes, I also expressed anger and a lot of other emotions. I did that in a very self-indulgent way. I was purging myself of Maharajism. But eventually the campiness took over and I made a fool of myself and gossiped. So, I apologise to all the people referred to on my CAC profile: David Smith, Belkis Shah, Marolyn Rawat and George Blodwell for saying some pretty irresponsible stuff about them.

Reading what I had said about premies on CAC was a very sobering experience. I feel that only I really deserve to be on that site because I said some nasty stuff about premies. The others listed there (except maybe Jim whom I am convinced is really a New York Jew pretending to live in Canada - he's too blunt and outspoken for a tame Canuck) simply said nasty things about Rawat and don't deserve to be there because they are entitled to say that Rawat really is the only one who can straighten out this mess by addressing the fact that he created it whether by omission or commission.

Reading that stuff that I said made me realize that I was in danger of slipping into the same ugliness that drove me out of the cult in the first place. I've had bad reviews before and been upset for days but then gone back and read them and used the criticism as advice to make my business better. CAC did that for me. It showed me that my love for life and a belief in caring for others and that beauty and kindness are the most important things in life and are the things that brought me to Maharajism and are what I still want and largely have.

Watching the fog swirl past the streetlamps tonight on the way home from work made me feel very lucky to live in such a beautiful city as San Francisco. Another perfect day in paradise by the bay. (But I'm not going to live in a fool's paradise. I am fully aware of the veiled threat in Mr Glasser's emails: if I don't comply then he will include CAC on his site. I really am not completely foolish - but neither do I care one way or the other if he does.)

The other thing that CAC has done for me: it shocked me to see my name there alongside some very illustrious names. It made me realize that I can't just indulge myself in group therapy online and vent my emotions and have fun (well not all the time) and that some weight has been added to my name and I have a new responsibility. I know you would not mind being on CAC anymore than I do (hardly anyone will see it anyway) and am sorry that your name is not there along side mine because I really trust and respect you.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:15:32 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: chris@hafey.com
To: Pat:C)
Subject: This is improvisational theatre, anyway
Message:
It's late but I must write this to you now because I have a heavy week ahead of me building up to Labor Day and then I'm taking a week off. I don't know when I'll get another opportunity.

I answered your post about anger kind of superficially while having a tea break at work so I'll add a bit to that. I think by now you must know that I value your judgement a lot. That's why I am writing this.

When I first arrived on FV I was extremely angry about the suicide of an aspirant here in SF. I expressed that but I also did the fag thing and that is I hid a lot of my hurt with campy jokes. I know you'll understand what I'm talking about. Like many despised people, the Jews, cockneys, Irish etc we often deal with our pain with humor. But eventually the laughter took over. It was exhilirating to be free of Maharajism and so there was Thelma etc and gossip about premies I had known - vicious gossip which you chided me for several times.

Yes, I also expressed anger and a lot of other emotions. I did that in a very self-indulgent way. I was purging myself of Maharajism. But eventually the campiness took over and I made a fool of myself and gossiped. So, I apologise to all the people referred to on my CAC profile: David Smith, Belkis Shah, Marolyn Rawat and George Blodwell for saying some pretty irresponsible stuff about them.

Reading what I had said about premies on CAC was a very sobering experience. I feel that only I really deserve to be on that site because I said some nasty stuff about premies. The others listed there (except maybe Jim whom I am convinced is really a New York Jew pretending to live in Canada - he's too blunt and outspoken for a tame Canuck) simply said nasty things about Rawat and don't deserve to be there because they are entitled to say that Rawat really is the only one who can straighten out this mess by addressing the fact that he created it whether by omission or commission.

Reading that stuff that I said made me realize that I was in danger of slipping into the same ugliness that drove me out of the cult in the first place. I've had bad reviews before and been upset for days but then gone back and read them and used the criticism as advice to make my business better. CAC did that for me. It showed me that my love for life and a belief in caring for others and that beauty and kindness are the most important things in life and are the things that brought me to Maharajism and are what I still want and largely have.

Watching the fog swirl past the streetlamps tonight on the way home from work made me feel very lucky to live in such a beautiful city as San Francisco. Another perfect day in paradise by the bay. (But I'm not going to live in a fool's paradise. I am fully aware of the veiled threat in Mr Glasser's emails: if I don't comply then he will include CAC on his site. I really am not completely foolish - but neither do I care one way or the other if he does.)

The other thing that CAC has done for me: it shocked me to see my name there alongside some very illustrious names. It made me realize that I can't just indulge myself in group therapy online and vent my emotions and have fun (well not all the time) and that some weight has been added to my name and I have a new responsibility. I know you would not mind being on CAC anymore than I do (hardly anyone will see it anyway) and am sorry that your name is not there along side mine because I really trust and respect you.


---

I don't think overly-apologizing is really on-target, either. We
all say crap here because the form suggests it. That *is* the cost
of anonymity. As the pop saying goes, 'they just don't get it.'

I am dead sure this cannot change until the anonymous requirement
is dropped in favor of using accountable names (not necessarily
real names, but /permanent/ ones and with (yes) passwords.

Each byline here is a name brand. The big hurdle for most folk
used to be (maybe still is) owning their old identity when the
inevitable happens: they f*ck up but good, and
do it all naked on the front lawn.

I've done my share -- trust me on that one. I still do it. The
*form* demands it! You don't want to do it, you either cop an
attitude (nothing wrong with that, but it is an artifice) or you
find another place to dwell. This anonymous stuph always degrades
to what we have right now: circus.

My opinion only, of course.

a0aji (Chris Hafey, Torrington, CT USA)
[ My Website ]

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:40:03 (EDT)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: All
Subject: LOTU
Message:
I wrote a huge rambling post here.. but by the end of it I had become unclear about what I was saying. I was aware of how it might 'look' - both to the exes (for some of whom it might have been too reconciliatory) and for the CAC merchants (for some of whom it might have been too reconciliatory. Therefore I have removed it cos my feelings are all mixed up.

Loaf

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:08:45 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: We don't have new guard houses and security
Message:
I forget how many hundreds of thousands of dollars were recently spent on a guard house, new gates and a state of the art security sytem at Master Rawat's palace. Yes, the perception of his worldy power compared with our lowliness by his devotees was not thought out very clearly.

I just loved the rest of you post. I do think of Rawat much as the story of the local Indian gentleman who was recently convicted of all sorts of crimes here in the Bay Area. In the US he was a criminal but in his hometown in India he had banners erected to him saying that he was god.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:17:01 (EDT)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: We don't have new guard houses and security
Message:
Pat.. i am glad you liked it. As i wrote it I got more scared of the implications i was seeing, and not wanting to peddle alarm, I decided to take it down. I dont even have a copy of it on me puter,,, but it means a lot to me that you liked it.

Its odd feeling slightly nervous of attack from big brother

Thanks :)

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:35:02 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: Are you sliced white bread, Loaf?
Message:
No! You've got more substance than that. Get Big Brother in proportion. He is really very small potatoes in this big world which of course is why we can't get any government authorities or mainstream media interested in him.

So, we might be theater lovers but we aren't sissies!

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 07:49:19 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: No sissies here, right!
Message:
I just got up, dozed out still. I don't get what you are talking about well but I get something.

We were lied to for over twenty years and now EV wants appologozies. All members of EV are acompplices in the RAWAT thing and screw them all. Devotion or no devotion. That they need a master or not. That there is freedom of believeing in whatever god you chose or not. THE REALITY IS WE DISCOVER THE GUY IS FAKE AND HE HURT MANY, MANY PEOPLE AND NOW, I SAID THIS ALSO, again. Maharaji is not the only responsible person here, but each member of EV and no ex-premies should be talking to this type of liars, full of ignorance and greed. These liars made a lot of damage to all of us. Took many years of our lives away and what is left of our lives will be affected also. Can one totally recover if the damage done is in the subconscient mind? Can a person be like before? How can I, others ever be the same person?

EV is attacking because they are afraid. Of whom? Of their LORD, who must be as pissed as he can be, blaming all in everyone, never himself, of course.

You have to appologize as you did above?

You are a nice person, I can tell, but in my opiion, you didn't have to do that. David Smith is a fanatic person who a look can set him in motion and I don't like the fact that his two underware are transparent.

HE laughed at us, maharaji made fun of us and he is ultimately evil TO ME! Show off ass master. I mad and I have tons of things to do today, fighting other idiotic people similar to the bunch.

May the UNIVERSE have mercy in all the deceivers of the world, because revenge or no revenge, I have rights and I will defend them and fight to unmask them.

All my life I put the other cheek but when they mess around with my family, I am capable of going for the yugular and I'm getting stronger everyday. I'll do it. I felt before I had no energy or sense of direction, having found GOD was a liar but now is now. Who is EV to blackmail people? Who do they think they are?

We'll see. The best is yet to come. If I was 'them', I'll pack up because some of us don't have to take it anymore. We don't and we will not.

I got carried away and I will post this, anyway, because it is how I feel, sincerely.

We don't have to be sissies. THEY ARE WRONG, NOT US!

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 05:27:15 (EDT)
From: Sliced White Loafie
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Pat, Small Potatoes is what I suspected [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:02:05 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: salam_au@iprimus.com.au
To: All
Subject: The Truth About fatso
Message:
Before This site went into memory lane I managed to download it. I have few Megs of information on my hard drive which I want to mirror, i.e. ftp it to someone else in case my hard drive crashes. I also want to reformat the info in a diffrent was, I think the way Sir Dave put it sucks :) [sorry]. So there you go, what goes down must come up or is it the other way? To all interested parties you know my e-mail. Help is needed. [cacas: don't bother to contact me please, ta].

p.s. does anyone know how Sir Dave is, I am a bit worried about him, he has these moment of black mood as some can remember when he tried to close AG few months ago. I hope he is o.k. SD, if you are about and don't want to be on this forum, put on your halloween custome and come to

here

I miss you, you pommy bastared.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:36:46 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Re: The Truth About fatso
Message:
Salam,

I don't know how Sir Dave is, and I also hope he's fine. But this threat to shut down AG? You're not refering to the one he made on April 1st are you? If so, it's no evidence of a dark mood, just a healthy sense of humour:-)

John.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:00:27 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: yep
Message:
well we the Ageers took it seriously. Though he changed his mind, but he did send everyone to hell for 2 weeks.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:15:00 (EDT)
From: Pat:C) the Fat Fag
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: You are being fattist, Salam
Message:
Yes, I miss Sir Dave too and wish him only the very best that life has to offer and much love and good thoughts.

Email me if you want to ftp something to me but I also saved the Truth about the Chubster, oops, Master.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:30:39 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Pat:C) the Fat Fag
Subject: PS your forum has been down all day
Message:
Tried several times and just now. Until it's up - it's duckhunting season at Anything Goes Too
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:33:04 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: your computer doen not work
Message:
you really need to re-format your hard drive, sheesh.

Hey that cheeting changing the name of your forum like that. Where is the girl with the hat. Bring her back or I steal you carrots.

Nothing wrong with me place,

http://pub29.bravenet.com/forum/show.php?usernum=2463394014&cpv=1

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 20:29:37 (EDT)
From: Chuck S.
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Oops, will try again...
Message:
We've tried it on a couple of different computers, salam, but it's very slow, your forum doesn't load, it times out.
The Lady with the hat is still around. She wanted the new forum to be called 'Louella's Laissez-Faire Lounge', but I said no, because she'd probably want to sit on the piano and sing, not a pretty site. ;)
If you want the name 'Anything Goes' for your forum, you can have it, I don't mind calling my forum something else. The more forums the better. I just wanted to be sure there was some place where exes can go to talk about off-topic fun stuff.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 20:36:21 (EDT)
From: Chuck S.
Email: None
To: Chuck S.
Subject: Darn, here is the link again......
Message:
We've tried it on a couple of different computers, salam, but it's very slow, your forum doesn't load, it times out.
The Lady with the hat is still around. She wanted the new forum to be called 'Louella's Laissez-Faire Lounge', but I said no, because she'd probably want to sit on the piano and sing, not a pretty site. ;)
If you want the name 'Anything Goes' for your forum, you can have it, I don't mind calling my forum something else. The more forums the better. I just wanted to be sure there was some place where exes can go to talk about off-topic fun stuff.


---

I seem to be having a 'bad HTML' day.

The Lady in the hat

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:59:49 (EDT)
From: Chuck S.
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: We tried it on three different computers...
Message:
... and on each one, it times-out before it can load the page of your new forum. At least last night and this morning.Louella, the lady with the hat, is still around.
She wanted to call my forum 'Louella's Laissez-Faire Lounge', but I said no, because she would want to sit on the piano and sing, and I wouldn't inflict that on anyone.

I'm not attached to the 'Anything Goes' name if you want to use it for your forum. I just wanted to make sure there was at least one ex-premie forum available for off-topic discussion and fun. If there are two such formums, so much the better. But I won't insist on using the AG name, if it suits your forum better.
[ Louella Parsnip ]

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:06:19 (EDT)
From: ELIZABETH
Email: None
To: All
Subject: crapanyone?
Message:
please tell me you are nice guy jim heller
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:32:10 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: ELIZABETH
Subject: ::no thank you -- I'm full:: [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:06:00 (EDT)
From: btdt
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Marolyn/Durga Ji
Message:
Is she not a public figure like Tammy Faye Baker?
She was on stage quite a lot and published satsangs of hers appeared quite often in Divine Times and the magazine. Or is she as much a victim as the rest of us?
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:56:47 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: btdt
Subject: : : : G o o d T h r e a d : : :
Message:
Great thread!
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:30:12 (EDT)
From: such
Email: None
To: btdt
Subject: both
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 07:56:55 (EDT)
From: sILVIA, AFRAID OF RAWAT'S POWER
Email: None
To: btdt
Subject: Marolyn/Durga Ji is a public figure
Message:
She was our MOTHER,jesus christ!
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:36:51 (EDT)
From: uSE WIND POWER THEN OR FUEL CELLS
Email: a0aji@cult_cakes_contest.org
To: sILVIA, AFRAID OF RAWAT'S POWER
Subject: Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji is a public figure
Message:
She was our MOTHER,jesus christ!


---

For a little while, then she left us with Wicked Uncle Ernie -- who diddled about.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:35:21 (EDT)
From: btdt
Email: None
To: sILVIA, AFRAID OF RAWAT'S POWER
Subject: Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji is a public figure
Message:
Yes, you are correct. She was portrayed to be 'mother'. I remember very well the Holi in Miami when she was pregnant with Dya. She was quite beautiful and had a new air of maternal aura. One of the biggie initiators came to our town shortly after that and said he didn't know how it was possible but Maharaji had transformed Marolyn into our 'mother'. From then on it was the style to refer to her as 'mom'. I could never do that.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:07:29 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com
To: btdt
Subject: Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji
Message:
I think she's a little of both; or rather, was.

It wasn't her direct prerogative to see through the divinity issue
(or else it was entirely so! hmmm.) Well, at any rate, as I said
once or twice before, I bet there was a moment when Prem *tried*
to walk on water, and was genuinely puzzled that this 'Jesus' could
not do (did not have the Super Power!) what the earlier Jesus could
do. I bet when he fell through the surface of the water, it dawned
on him he was a fraud. The so-called Fraud Mirage .. Gee.

[disappointment]

I was hoping M. Dettmers would have better insight on this aspect, or
someone similarly privileged would. I don't think we're ever going
to get the straight story, unless Prem checks into an insane asylum
and writes an honest memoir.

After nursing him through a certain number of ulcers, she could have
realized the truth about her husband. But maybe she was kept, in a
way that she didn't really have a normal wifely contact with her
husband, or any semblance of it. Royal courts [excuse me] can be
funny that way, I'd guess. A lot of distance between 'family'
members that defies common-sense logic, because they're anything
but .. common!
The default (for me) is to see her as someone listed in The Problem:

'We either become Gurus, or marry one, or both -- or find another
compulsive personality -- such as a cult leader -- to feed our sick
abandonment needs.'

I don't think that means what she did isn't actionable. I think it
important to remember that one of the things a Premie told him or
herself was 'If there were something drastically wrong, Durga Ji
would tell us and get her kids away from it, at any cost' and so
we measured the sanity of staying in the cult against her personal
sanity state, for having done so.
Just as the hopeful child of an alcoholic parent does, we as premies
hope our 'mother' will 'protect' us from the 'alcoholic' here.

But she never does. Hell, she almost never gets out of the bad
marriage. She accepts her role silently, and probably thinks she
deserves what she got, based on events that happened before she
met the man she was to marry.
Marolyn, of all people, should have known better, and should have
warned people! What were the odds of her doing so?

Just my cracked-pot analysis. Please .. no wagering. For Entertainment Value Only.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:45:50 (EDT)
From: btdt
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji
Message:
I'm continually amazed at the level of intelligence on this forum. There are many bright people, such as yourself. I guess being in Marolyn's shoes was not the enviable thing that it appeared all these years. I always remember feeling so inadequate as a new parent compared to her. A premie told me that of course, with all that grace, it would make anyone a better parent. The standard was so high.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:40:28 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: btdt
Subject: :: thank you btdt :: [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:43:38 (EDT)
From: A premie told me with all that grace
Email: None
To: btdt
Subject: it would make anyone a better parent
Message:
I do not know about Grace, but the Rawat's certainly had the money to pour into those kids, much of it from premies who were parents themselves, their own children with less to pay for Wadi's horseback lessons and Daya's voice lessons.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:46:47 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: A premie told me with all that grace
Subject: :: you got that right :: [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:48:39 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: btdt
Subject: Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji
Message:
make your own decision:


........ last fall, I think. Rawat was out of town, during Hans Jayanti in India, it seems. Since he was out of town, Marolyn, and some friends all went to paint the town red. It seems they had a high time!

But, the odd thing was the implication that they could only go have fun like that, going out, if Rawat didn't know. Or at least wasn't there to make trouble about it.....

Statement made by a a close associate of you know who.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:22:55 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji - fear
Message:
aOaji's spchiel was good too. But I think you may be onto something. Many of us feared being Judas Iscariot and rotting like a van of veggies. I definitely give Marolyn the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure she has thought that she had seen through him but then backed off because one ''must not doubt the purity of the Master.'' Fear of damnation made her quell her doubts.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 11:41:33 (EDT)
From: btdt
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji - fear
Message:
Thanks. I appreciate your patience in answering my questions. So many things sort oozing out after thirty years of living with M and k.
I just didn't understand what constitutes a person falling in the public figure domain. I guess what princess Diana said could apply here as well about feeling like being the world's highest paid prostitute. Or does Marolyn know something the rest of us don't.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:57:23 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: btdt
Subject: Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji - fear
Message:
Hi all,

The way I see Marolyn/Durga Ji now is that she is trapped in the situation of being married to someone who is a cult leader. Sure, she benefits from the $$, but, I sincerely believe that a part of her dilemma is that she has children and is married to a megalomaniac who has probably threatened her, brainwashed her into thinking he IS ALL POWERFUL when he isn't.

I'm sure she likes the lifestyle, yet the dynamics of living with a violent and bilergerant (SP?) drunk is very difficult. The statistics gathered about battered women (battered emotionally and physically) is that it takes on average 10 times for them to leave.

In this unique situation, I can't imagine what she thinks, feels or wants to do about her life. My speculation is that she probably can't stand the urug. Speculation only. Money doesn't bring happiness, nor does being married to the ''Lord of the Universe.''

She was duped from the beginning. Wasn't she an ashram premie when they started dating?

On the other hand, she is an adult, and is responsible for her own behavior and to subject her children to the atmosphere in that house, which I can imagine, would be actionable by Social Services, that is, if they weren't so rich.

That's how life is in America. The poor and working class women must escape with nothing in order to be safe. Is there anywhere she could go with 4 kids (some adults now) from that maniac? I don't know.

If she were sincere, I'd take her in, but her standard of living would drop drastically!

My 2cents,
Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 16:52:39 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: :: Advent of Durgringo Ji ::
Message:
If she were sincere, I'd take her in, but her standard of living would drop drastically!

---

Yeah but if the vortex were reversed suddenly and she sucked you
back into the cult, we'd have to endure you sitting on Durga Ji's
right side, with one of those giant Carmen Miranda fruit-laden
turbans on your head, like on opening night at the Copacabana. ;)

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 15:15:58 (EDT)
From: btdt
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: Marolyn/Durga Ji - fear
Message:
She probably doesn't even realize how many people care about her independntly of M. She seems like a very right person with a degree. She is extremely marketable. There's life out there if she honestly wanted it. So she stays because she does honestly believe he is what he now disclaims, or likes the lifestyle too much or keeps it together for the kids, even though they are grown. Can you imagine what it would be like for her to face all this being a scam? That would take courage.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:06:53 (EDT)
From: Rich
Email: None
To: All
Subject: The ONLY Focus....Maha/Rawat and HIS Behaviors
Message:
Hi Everyone..I am relatively new to this forum...having just wandered upon EPO about a month ago...I have been a premie and a financial supporter of Maha/Rawats Mission for 28years...and I have been appalled ..by the Corrobrated ...Credible and Consistent Reports by ex-premies who have been around M. The Realization of what M is REALLY like as apposed to his Stage Performance/Proclamations...has Stunned Saddened and Disillusioned Me..

Having said that...I am also saddened by the verbal abuse and venom that many on this forum have thrown at each other and even M...

I am very Pleased to read Pat's apology (seemingly heartfelt) to Mr. Glasser..and his recognition of Mr. Glasser's Humanity..even if we disagree about Maha/Rawat and His affairs..

The Revelations about Maha/Rawat on EPO and this Forum have been Incredibly Valuable and Important to Me..and Im sure many other (now) Ex-premies...Yet their Impact and credibility is lessened when we sink to the level of personal attacks and vitriol.
Although the Recent Attacks by CAC are disgusting, to my perception, they mirror in spirit, some of the attacks and comments made all too frequently here.

I understand the therapeutic effect of being able to vent one's anger about the betrayal and lies that have been perpetrated on many of us by Maha/Rawat. I have/do express that also. I appreciate that expressed here within reason...But when it becomes unreasonable..and when it spreads to people who still follow Maha/Rawat, then not only does it cloud matters more....but it detracts from what I believe to be the Power and Purpose we have here.

Id like to suggest the highest use of the Website and Forums exposing Maha/Rawat might be the following:

1..To Find Out, Share and Propagate (love that word) the TRUTH about Maha/Rawat and Knowledge.
2. To heal ourselves from the effects of following Maha/Rawat and the beliefs he gave us.
3. To free Current PWK from the Bonds of Conceptual Slavery that Maha/Rawat still Perpetuates.
3. To Alert potential new premies to the Realities of Maha/Rawat and Knowledge.
3 By making the Revelations about Maha/Rawat
REAL behaviors public: To Force Maharaji to either deal with these revelations publicly, or retire to a relatively impotent position, Not harming or drawing financial support from people who become deluded by his claims.

It is becoming increasing clear that We have been victims of a Cult leader. We Have been betrayed. Many of us gave up careers, families and potential families, money, time and sweat to the Support of Mr. Rawat, his lifestyle and HIS Goals...Now we find out weve been had .Anger is an Understandable reaction. But to get Stuck in Anger is to maintain a position of Victimhood.
When we attack each other we divert attention from the REAL focus which is Maha/Rawats Deceits. When we attack those who do not yet 'see the Light' about Maha/Rawat, we simply polarize them in their position and make it easier for them to discount us, ignor, rationalize and deny the Truth about Maha/Rawat.

We Have the TRUTH on our side (how ironic). The more we are thoughtful, considerate, and Real, The more Powerful we are and the More Powerful is our Message: THat Maharaji is an Alcholic, Abusive, Womanizer. He is a Man who clearly Claimed to be the Superior Power in Person..and now denies it. He is a flawed human who uses a system of silence and denial amongst those who 'follow' him to keep himself in a position of power, authority and wealth....at the expensive of many sincere people who were/are still being misled by him.

We have truth on our side. And The More Civil, Real and Human we are the more we serve as Credible Contrast to the Man whose actions have betrayed us and others...Thanks for Listening....Sincerely, RichMandrake

Having Said that

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:31:53 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Rich
Subject: Damn, Rich...
Message:
... how did you get so smart so fast. Only a month or so out, huh? It's taken me a couple of years to come as far. Congratulations are in order. Your post is succinct and well intended. I wholeheartedly agree re: staying with a purpose. I have very carefully avoided engaging drive-by premies and even the ones who showed up on our doorstep and never left. We are all human beings who were once true believers. Therefore I have compassion for all of us whether ex, pwk or fencesitter while at the same time carefully avoiding pointless sandbox squabbles. As others have said, we are all individuals and it does take a village to raze a cult.

Welcome and thanks for raising the bar.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:08:20 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Rich
Subject: Re: The ONLY Focus....Maha/Rawat and HIS Behaviors
Message:
I agree with you too, Rich, but a lot of the negative stuff expressed on this forum is expressed by premies. True, ex-premies will often bicker with them, but as an open forum, there isn't really any way to control what gets said, who tries to disrupt and all the rest.

The website is full of valuable information and it's being added to all the time. The forum is more like a moving cocktail party. It just depends on who's in the room as to what the vibe is. But the forum has been incredibly valuable to people and it has been the means of compiling so much of the information that is on the EPO website.

Yes, we were in a cult, and now we're out of it. Admitting you were in a cult isn't easy. It's much easier to just kind of pretend it wasn't that, even if you really aren't into Maharaji anymore. There are lots of people in that space. But you have to admit it to yourself before you can really break free.

But there is no way around the increasingly evident fact that many people still in the cult will do just about anything to hold on to their childish beliefs. It's not rational, that's for sure.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:21:02 (EDT)
From: Jim Sander
Email: None
To: Rich
Subject: Rich, I agree 100% with you..
Message:
Hey Rich-

I couldn't agree more with you.

I also have had a similar journey as you, with many revelations coming in the last year or so.

Thanks for the posts.

JS

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:40:26 (EDT)
From: RichMandrake
Email: None
To: Jim Sander
Subject: Thanks Jim...
Message:
Thank You, Jim..

The Posts I've Read by you have been extremely helpful...I contacted you through my AOL address a few weeks ago and will contact you again soon....Thanks Again...RichMandrake

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 00:49:43 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: RichMandrake
Subject: Nicely spoken, Rich
Message:
I'm one of those who mouthed off a bit too much when I first came here nearly 8 months ago after 28 years of thinking Rev Rawat was a good man. When I found out that he is actually a cynical and amoral person I became very angry and lashed out. Well, you see that I got that thrown back in my face by CAC. It has taught me to be much more circumspect than heretofore. But don't be disappointed if everyone does not agree with you. We've had this discussion before and we really are a very ''unsynchronized'' bunch of folk for which I am grateful. Thanks for you thoughtful message.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:21:15 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Jesus Christ, Pat!
Message:
You really do have this unbridled love for the confessional, don't you? Too bad. Sometimes, Pat, the imbalance can come in the form of giving away too much by way of apology. Let's be accurate, shall we? The premies are very, very often outrageously disingenuous, etc. in their exchanges with us. Any who engage them naturally and justifiably get pretty damn 'expressive' at times. The only way that people like Rich or Jim Sanders can avoid same is by avoiding tlaking with the premies altogether. Okay, I admit, we're certainly not all alike, we don't all have the same temperments, tolerance levels, breaking points, whatever. I'm definitely no Joe Whalen and Joe Whalen's definitely no Way and Way, even Way, is definitely no Katie. But I don't think that I could ever say that my, Joe's or Way's default level of patience is right. Takes all kinds.

Yes, I've seen you overreact. Only a couple of times, though, and they were both with respect to me. :) Honestly. So it does seem a bit much to see you just jumping into the warm bath of general self-criticism when you've rally nothing to criticize. Charles Glasser tanuted us visciously, immorally and with a vengeance. He violated the rules of the forum by spamming us and by posting under a number of names to confuse and undermine the forum itself. That's why it was so weird to see Katie and Brian cave in to him so undeservedly.

Pat, you are indeed a principled, wonderful human being. My opinion, anyway. You don't like conflict unresolved, rather you enjoy the spirit of resolution. Believe it or not, so do I. But, in the words of Mahatma Rajewshar (paraphrased), no resolution without solution and no solution without the eradication of pollution.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 18:21:17 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: :: I need a fill ::
Message:
That's why it was so weird to see Katie and Brian cave in to him so undeservedly.

---

Summary of this episode, please?

Tnx de WA1TNR

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 15:00:09 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Jesus Christ, Jim!
Message:
First I get an earful from Chuck and now from you. Yes, you are both right. I guess it comes from living in a catholic monastery for two years. I sometimes still suffer from the delusion that I'm a saint.

The thing is when I'm wrong I fess up because the next time I am right and really lash out at someone who has wronged me (and I have a vicious righteous temper which I have never really revealed here) it carries more weight.

You know that I value your judgement and trust and respect you. Man, do you have any idea how thrilled I am to have my name beside yours on the list of most wanted and hated exes?

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 18:22:50 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: : : W A N T E D : : [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 15:17:35 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: ***NEW CAC THEORY****
Message:
Man, do you have any idea how thrilled I am to have my name beside yours on the list of most wanted and hated exes?

Call off the dogs, everyone. We've got our man.

Patrick, how could you???

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 15:26:35 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: ***NEW CAC THEORY****
Message:
Okay, you got me but actually it was that thunderstealing bitch, Thelma, who did it while I was meditating oblivious to all.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:14:09 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Patrick?
Message:
What is this self-flagelation I see? Pat, you have every right to be angry. You were ripped off on a very, very deep level. You should be angry; it's real and it's how you heal. You are the victim, Pat. You don't deserve what those spineless cowards on CAC did, and you didn't cause it.

And, moreover, ever since this forum started 4 years ago, there has been a continuous stream of new ex-premies -- people who were just getting out of the Maharaji cult. And almost every one of them went through a stage of expressing anger. That's part of the function of this forum and I think we should in no way discourage that.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 01:23:07 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: I don't discourage it, Joe
Message:
That's why I said to Rich not to expect everyone to agree. But I've been through my loudmouth phase and am now reborn as the cool, cutting, concise hater of snakes and gurus. Actually, I may even change my mind one morning when I wake up singing arti and thinking what the fuck, that bastard filled my head with crap.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:09:50 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: hey Patsee
Message:
am a bit confused here. Are there to PatCs on the forum. I ask because am trying to figure out who PatC) is. Or is that you playing niggy bugger [don't ask what's that] and a boofhead trying to get your ugly :c)face up. With your ugly face, you should be PatC :c)[ugly face] not Pat :C)[ugly face]. do you get my meaning. An Alah knows better.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:10:43 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: bull })})
Message:
I don't belive you. For how long?
if ya waant 2 say something, say it. Like that

CACAS SUCK, OK!

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:39:40 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Cow! b)
Message:
Stop distracting me Salam. I'm supposed to be serious now. ;)
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 02:16:33 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: As Gilmore said so well:
Message:
The Internet interprets censorship as damage, and routes around it.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:52:47 (EDT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: All
Subject: armed and extremely dangerous
Message:
Leason should be considered possibly armed, and extremely dangerous. If you or your organization are harassed by Jeff Leason, please immediately file a 911 Cyberangels and report the incident to the police. In case of a death threat, contact the FBI.

Fuck yeah!

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

It has been a dream of mine since I was five years old to read those exact words about myself in the Post Office, but to see them coming off of a rogue ISP in Moscow, Russia is beyond a boyish dream come true and I'm covered head to toe with goosebumps and shaking uncontrollably with glee. Nor can I stop this maniac laughing or my hiccups. And I'm chewing my tongue into bloody shreds. My only hope now is for some Russian mafia dudes to hunt me down and whack me with a good old 22 caliber silenced with a pop can double thump to my big pumpkin. Yeah, then my life will be complete without regret or remorse. Who could ever ask for more? Well, I could, I guess, but no longer because I have seen the light.

Maharaji, I love you. I've been so very wrong about you. You are my Lord and Saviour. You are my all. You are my fucking all, as a matter of fact. Yes, I've been extremely deluded and fooled by all of these angry hateful ex-premies.

From now on I'm going to re-dedicate myself and my efforts will be to glorify the Living Perfect Master of our time. The House of Maharaji Drek will become the House of Maharaji where gratitude and love will be the only words written there.

Ok, you foulmouthed hatemongers, I'm out of this hate site and headed for a new life, a new way. God almighty, am I ever happy, happy, happy! And you could feel this happiness and joy again if you would just open your hearts. Go ahead! Open your hearts to Maharaji and he will set you free - set you free from your pain and anger. So-hung, so-hung. Can ya feel it? I sure do. And I'm grateful, oh so grateful.

Maharaji, may I be your Rumi? I will wait and wait and wait. I will write and write and write your glory.

And I have time now for you now, my Lord. Yes, I have all the time in the world now.All the time in the world to love and worship you, Maharaji.

You see, this afternoon they fired me from my job and I'm free of these petty worldly concerns.

No more putting of me ahead of you, my Lord. No more worrying about my career. No more worrying about retirement. No more worries about health, wealth, and family. Nope, that's all gone now. Oh, that magic feeling, no where to go. No more me to worry about.

At work they came to my cube and they said that I might be dangerous and a security risk. I don't know where they got that idea. You see, I'm really quite docile, especially after I've had some ECT (electro convulsive therapy) and a dose of Chlorpromazine. I wouldn't hurt anyone. At least I don't think I would.

With what little money I have I have bought a plane ticket so that I can be close to you. All I ask of you Maharaji is when you drive past in your Benz and see me in the Trancas Market parking lot in full pranam is to just honk and maybe wave. Just let me know that you know. Yes, Lord, I know that I am just a dirty old oil spot with some seagull feathers stuck to it and I am not worthy of your notice, but I have nothing and I want nothing in this world. There is nothing in this world for me.

In my knowledge session I was asked to give you, Maharaji, my mind. I gave it to you then and now I give it to you again. Please Maharaji, take my crazy mind.

Ah, my brothers and sisters! I feel so much better now. Can't you feel it? Can you feel the love? You know the drill. It's so easy. And it's still there. All you have to do is give satsang like I have here and the two rivers will once again flow and Maharaji will come across the Universe and make you whole like I am now. Yes, I've returned home, back to the Master.

Epilogue: The above was PURE Fiction, not to be confused with any persons living or dead or deranged or in some other state of meditative or medicated repose. Ain't nobody crazy here, no sir-eee! I'm just doing mighty fine. This Knowledge and all of them nice people never did nothing crazy to me or nobody else. No, no, no. Pain and confusion comes from the mind. Them Mahatmas and everybody else always treated me mighty fine. Everything is happy and safe in Maharaji's world. Nope, no crazy bongos on Maharaji's ship. Me, I'm ok. I'm just keeping to myself all nice and quiet up here in the attic. I'll be a good boy. I won't be bad no more. I learnt me my lesson.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 19:28:17 (EDT)
From: (ex)tremely safe
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Re: armed and extremely dangerous
Message:
So you've come to your senses, have you? Gotten out of the shark-infested waters of your crazy, rotton-vegetable-filled mind and come back to the holy lotus feet for comfort and safety from the big, bad world? Isn't life beautiful? Betcha can't wait for the next viddy and a chance to immerse yourself in that experience.

True Love Waits
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Date: Sat, Aug 25, 2001 at 13:49:43 (EDT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: (ex)tremely safe
Subject: Ah, but what else is there?
Message:
But to wait to be in that experience once again.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 19:41:43 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: (ex)tremely safe
Subject: ::that experience -- that girl : coincidence?
Message:
So you've come to your senses, have you? Gotten out of the shark-infested waters of your crazy, rotton-vegetable-filled mind and come back to the holy lotus feet for comfort and safety from the big, bad world? Isn't life beautiful? Betcha can't wait for the next viddy and a chance to immerse yourself in that experience.

True Love Waits


---

Summon Marlo Thomas.

[Um, she's not involved, Sir.]

Summon her anyway. She's a beautiful brunette.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 20:36:08 (EDT)
From: That Girl
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: My Soul's Liberation
Message:
First I burned my bra; then I burned my baragon.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:02:42 (EDT)
From: silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Re: armed and extremely dangerous
Message:
Did you really got fired?
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 05:30:30 (EDT)
From: SC
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: That is totally brilliant writing...
Message:
I'm serious Roger (and write comedy sketches for a TV production house, amongst other stuff).

That is a magic script!

Regardless of what the 'message' of your post is. I was in total fits, even the epilogue is bloody funny, right to the end. In the face of the heat put on you I think it's also very courageous writing. And it's the best reminder to anyone on these forums that, above all, this life is meant to be FUN!

Thanks Roger, that was a genuine pleasure, I only wish you meant some of it!
stay well,
SC

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:34:22 (EDT)
From: Roger AK eDrek
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: Thanks, check out the Chronicles of the Red Nighty
Message:
Thank you so much. I enjoyed writing that. Eventually I will have to add more to the Chronicles of the Red Nighty (aka CORN) where I might have written one chapter and the rest was written by some really talented writers.

Yes, I'm having so much more fun now that I've finally stopped beating my head against Maharaji's wall trying to make myself small and humble enough for what purposes I don't really know. Seemed that is what he wanted from us.

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Date: Sun, Aug 26, 2001 at 01:34:11 (EDT)
From: SC
Email: None
To: Roger AK eDrek
Subject: It's funny but I got the opposite
Message:
vibe and always thought he was encouraging me to be my loud outspoken muso/writer self! The cult sure takes the confidence out of you though, and as you say ...For What? I was a wimp for years. I don't buy any of that sacrosant humility trip that becomes more stupifying every step closer to the action one gets. The action usually being a frantic scrabble to get the best 'service' to look important or the best vantage point to get close to M. I was glad to discover that he hates that shit as much as I do.
I've always been a cowboy and apparently he hates cowboys but he doesn't seem to hate me cos we've always got on well on a personal level. I just don't get it. Sure dig K though, I have a doobie puff, settle back, wait for Mr Magoo to stop ranting so loud and just fall into the pool.

Hey, what work is it that you do? I'm alarmed to think that it's genuinely threatened by the CAC site. Surely not. No agency would turn what is essentially comedy writing into a 'real' threat.
Maybe they would. No matter what, I would say you have a future in script writing for absolutely certain. Hey, if no-one hires you, write a bloody film script! I'm half way through one. You never know how far a good one can go...

The red nighty stuff is also very clever, I read it ages ago and thought, shit, that's good. Of course I was mortally offended at its content, he he. I suggest you do a pilot for a TV comedy show, there's some good writing on US TV lately, they're really opening out the boundaries for good writers these days.

stay well,
SC

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Date: Sun, Aug 26, 2001 at 04:25:32 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: SC read Red Nightie ages ago
Message:
How many ages ago, SC? How long have you been reading expremies and how many aliases have you had?
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:44:13 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: Oh hello SC
Message:
Howisitgoin?

Glad u like what Rog is saying. Real fun this place is can be. dont' you recon [why am talking like Yoda?]

Cheers,

Salam

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 10:33:00 (EDT)
From: SC
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Hi Salam
Message:
Yea, you like fun as well.

Good onya mate!!!!

(love your bull heads)

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 04:10:58 (EDT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Re: armed and extremely dangerous
Message:
oh maynard, its allright.
jees , you didnt really lose your job did you?? what a ridiculous 5th grade thing to write about you. Sounds like they got it from some crime mag.
I'll make you a rubarb flan!
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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:37:33 (EDT)
From: Marianne
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Hey Salam!
Message:
Read your email!

Marianne

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:56:12 (EDT)
From: [Blank]
Email: salam_au@iprimus.com.au
To: Marianne
Subject: Re: Hey Salam!
Message:
I did, I've been doing that for the last 72 hours, it's all looking hazzy blue now. I can not see you but, try again. sheesh, I hope am not being spoofed.
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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:18:31 (EDT)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: [Blank]
Subject: LOL!!!
Message:
Salam, 'read' and 'read' are the same spelling, but different pronunciation in present/imperative and past, and I think that's funny, because Marianne said she read your email, and you thought that she was telling you to read yours. :)

Okay, back to peach jam ... the big one.

And hi gErRy eNd aRniE!

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:05:07 (EDT)
From: silvia, afraid of maharaji's POWER
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Re: LOL!!!
Message:
send a jar: Is my favorite! LOL

I envy you, non-nothing, free person.... ;)

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:24:43 (EDT)
From: saucy
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Re: LOL!!!
Message:
hey look who is here, where have you been? I was getting worried them peaches attacked you. As for the English, you are in a tight corner here, you watch out now, you now how I hate English :)

Love you, don't forget to come to thge other forum, it's free sausaged today.

MarieAnne: got you at last. Will do.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:24:21 (EDT)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: All
Subject: I just had this vision for a satire site;
Message:
'Citizens Against CyberTalking'.

Apparently that's what they're after: Stop talking!

The satire site could feature famous 'loudmouths' who had the unforgivable audacity to question or speak out against a twisted status quo -- I dunno, maybe Nelson Mandela, George Carlin, Karen Silkwood, Spartacus, Jesus, M.L. King, Patrick Henry, that guy - whatshisname - whistle-blower against the tobacco industry. There are, and have been, a lot of courageous and/or clear thinking people.

Afraid I don't have web design skills. Anyway, just a thought experiment!

In the immortal words of Ben Stern, 'Shut up! Sit down!' (sorry, reference to US radio comedian's (father's) routine.)

Best,
Carl

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:29:37 (EDT)
From: such
Email: None
To: Carl
Subject: we got a sat-ire site [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:41:12 (EDT)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: such
Subject: Righto! Feelin' IRE-ish, aren't we? Satfully [nt]
Message:
YOWza!
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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:40:31 (EDT)
From: premlita
Email: None
To: All
Subject: What is going on?
Message:
Hi, I'm new to this forum. I just heard last night that the former premies are being blackmailed, what is going on?

Is this some kind of joke? It doesn't look like it to me.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 08:58:34 (EDT)
From: afraid of M darkness
Email: None
To: premlita
Subject: Re: What is going on?
Message:
yes P, is true. The LORD is getting ugly with us.

Rememeber when he used to scared us about the anger of 'GOD'? This 'GOD' is mean and determined to do his job, no matter what. He is a Sagitarious. a very determined individual and ready to battle.

No, I don't buy the Bible as some premies do, as one of my premie friends do. Lordy is wrong and evil, not good. Surrender or else is no freedom or loving. I hate rotten vegetables; he can eat them himself now. He created them.

Sorry for dissapointing you saying your LORD is fake.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:38:53 (EDT)
From: Cedron
Email: None
To: premlita
Subject: Re: What is going on??
Message:
It is no joke
The soldier said
There's bodies strewn
Upon the field.
The crime that's black
Has claimed it's prize,
Against such deeds
One cannot shield.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 09:40:59 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Cedron
Subject: Re: What is going on?
Message:
who are you?

I know fuck all about poetry, but this is good. did you write it?

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:33:03 (EDT)
From: Cedron
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Yes
Message:
My name means 'Dark One'
From the brook that passes
Through the holy places.
Your land of birth
Where you were raised
Is near, within a thousand paces.
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 13:57:51 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Cedron
Subject: what language is that
Message:
you are a bit mysterious, aren't you?
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 14:46:38 (EDT)
From: Cedron
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Re: what language is that
Message:
I wend my way through holy places
And there no door against me shuts.
Past wilderness and Mount of Olives
To reach the Valley of the Nuts.
[ Brook of Cedron ]
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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 22:30:53 (EDT)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: premlita
Subject: Re: What is going on?
Message:
above doesnt like your handle but that reads harsh to me.

Whether you are Premlata with a typo-or not- read a ye shall find.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 21:53:02 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: premlita
Subject: Re: What is going on?
Message:
There's a web site that is publishing nonsense about several of
the participants of this forum, under the guise of somebody named
Boris, in Russia. They've also published their targets' various
personal demographics, contact information, employment information,
and other personal mentions.

You may comb this forum for the libelous website under the term,
CAC, or 'caca' which is, of course, a play on words.

I don't like your handle.

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 12:41:33 (EDT)
From: Would you prefer Prem-Latte
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: I think it means
Message:
'I Love Latte' in Sanskrit.

Which is also an Indian sitcom,

Raji: 'Latte, I'm AUM'....

Latte: 'RaJi, I just want to be in your show, WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA'

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:20:07 (EDT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: Re: What is going on?
Message:
Agree, handle sucks. No need to get real people's name involved.

As for the rest, it's really a long story. A thriller. An on going affair and no one has the time to explain, but if insist, this is the short version,

Eln Vtal a a secret organization that is run by an obscure cult headed by someone calling himself Maharachi, is having an all out assult on innocent people that like to express their opinion after being suppressed for many years. As you know, cultish organization do not like to be talked back to, so the above mentioned cultish organization is trying to shut down anyweb site on the web that is critcal of them. Through questionable means a some members of this cultish organization have formed a group calling themselves CAC. They have used slander, defamation, threats and blackmail again the innocent talkative people. they have already shut down two website, threatened another and forced a fourth to remove certain information regarding someone called Jagdeo, which was a holly man with loose pants and working for Maharachi. The cultish organization mentioned above denies any knowledge of what is going on.

Of course no one belives that, not even the people that said it. So this is where we are.

I hope that brought you up to date on things, for further details, I don't know what to say, it's rather complicated. But you may ant to check here from time to time

it IS so is here to stay

p.s. typos are on the house

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:29:37 (EDT)
From: })})})})})
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Look everyone, a caca is here
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:31:04 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: })})})})})
Subject: {{{{{{ moo [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:19:07 (EDT)
From: Look who's talking handles!
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: you ouiji tosser
Message:
fuckin unbelievable hypocrite
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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:08:57 (EDT)
From: Steve
Email: None
To: Look who's talking handles!
Subject: Hi Wango
Message:
You really still overdo this trolling and multiple alias thing don't you. Is this jihad of your's affecting your practice sessions ? Or maybe you are hearing Maha's dulcit tones in your head , telling you to go destroy the 'hate club' twisted , sick , drug addict ex premie slime balls ?

Life's Great !

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Date: Fri, Aug 24, 2001 at 03:21:31 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Steve
Subject: Life's Grate: where the runoff goes..
Message:
Life's Grate: where the runoff goes into the sewer

You really still overdo this trolling and multiple alias thing don't you. Is this jihad of your's affecting your practice sessions ? Or maybe you are hearing Maha's dulcit tones in your head , telling you to go destroy the 'hate club' twisted , sick , drug addict ex premie slime balls ?

Life's Great !


---

Well I had one of those troll dolls when i was a kid. A little
rubber guy with bug-eyes and very long hair. They had a name
for them; they predated Beanie Babies by perhaps 20 years!

I had some Rat Fink paraphernalia as well. By luck, I went to
Daytona Beach, FL and found a shop that specialized in Rat Fink
apparel! I think they must've invented it; I should have asked
while I was there.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:30:28 (EDT)
From: })})})})})})})})})})
Email: None
To:

Subject: })})})})})})})})})})})})})})}))
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:28:07 (EDT)
From: [Blank]
Email: None
To:

Subject: Re: you ouiji tosser
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Aug 23, 2001 at 23:38:08 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To:

Subject: to sir with love
Message:



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