Ex-Premie Forum 7 Archive
From: Sep 13, 2001 To: Sep 17, 2001 Page: 4 of: 5


this may very well turn into -:- WW III -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:47:34 (EDT)
__ Silvia -:- Just prepare -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 14:47:04 (EDT)
__ a0aji -:- ::war of the worlds:: -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 12:00:39 (EDT)
__ __ Sir Dave -:- Nuclear & chemical weapons -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 15:07:15 (EDT)
__ __ __ Rick -:- Re: Nuclear & chemical weapons -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 16:56:56 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- TWA 800 downed by a missle -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 19:37:54 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Rick -:- Re: TWA 800 downed by a missle -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 19:55:47 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- believe it, buddy... -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 20:32:36 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Rick -:- Re: believe it, buddy... -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 22:23:40 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Nuclear & chemical weapons -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 17:10:22 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Rick -:- Re: Nuclear & chemical weapons -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 18:54:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: Nuclear & chemical weapons -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 21:46:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Rick -:- Re: Nuclear & chemical weapons -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 22:28:24 (EDT)
__ __ __ Silvia -:- chemical trails -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 15:59:35 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- Re: chemical trails -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 16:10:56 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Silvia -:- THANKS!!! -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 19:46:18 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Re: THANKS!!! -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 19:54:08 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Silvia -:- yeah -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 16:40:16 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Very Curious Indeed... -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 17:04:14 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Silvia -:- pass it on -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 19:49:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Whatever it is we have the right to know -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 21:05:15 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SILVIA -:- Re: Whatever it is we have the right to know -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 16:48:05 (EDT)

Rick -:- Osama Bin Laden (OT) -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:27:40 (EDT)
__ Jerry -:- Northern Alliance -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 01:24:31 (EDT)
__ __ Rick -:- Re: Northern Alliance -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 11:00:05 (EDT)
__ __ __ Jerry -:- Re: Northern Alliance -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 11:13:34 (EDT)
__ cq -:- That's one head of the Hydra then -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:11:57 (EDT)
__ __ cq -:- Re: That's one head - text didn't show up -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:19:03 (EDT)
__ __ __ Rick -:- Re: That's one head - text didn't show up -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 12:04:31 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- There'd be civil war in Pakistan first (nt) -:- Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 04:06:17 (EDT)
__ Cynthia -:- Rick, see my post below...(OT) -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:35:19 (EDT)
__ __ Rick -:- Re: Rick, see my post below...(OT) -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:43:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Rick....(OT) -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:50:35 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Rick -:- Re: Rick....(OT) -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 12:02:37 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Rick....(OT) -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 14:38:52 (EDT)

Cynthia -:- Why is the board posting today as 9/15? -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:25:59 (EDT)
__ cq -:- er, perhaps because it's September 15th? -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:51:49 (EDT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Geezum Crow...:) -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:56:00 (EDT)
__ __ __ janet -:- i have it too cyn -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 23:44:54 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: i have it too cyn -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 15:41:08 (EDT)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- P.S. Thanks for the ''back-date'' :) [nt] -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:59:00 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- Thanks for the giggle :) -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:22:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Not insensitive at all, cq... -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:27:04 (EDT)

__ An Observer -:- A-men -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 15:48:53 (EDT)
__ Katie -:- I feel sorry for you -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 15:39:04 (EDT)
__ __ don p. -:- Re: I feel sorry for you -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 05:56:52 (EDT)
__ __ __ Katie -:- You don't know me -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 13:18:25 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ don pee -:- Re: You don't know me -:- Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 06:42:53 (EDT)
__ Mickey the Pharisee -:- Re: sept 11, 2001 and sant ji -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:49:39 (EDT)
__ guru Salamji -:- Re: sept 11, 2001 and sant ji -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:14:19 (EDT)
__ __ Guru David Singh -:- Re: sept 11, 2001 and sant ji -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 14:10:58 (EDT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Thank you, Salam...:) [nt] -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:28:09 (EDT)
__ Cynthia -:- Are you serious? If so... -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:47:35 (EDT)
__ __ don p. -:- Re: Are you serious? If so... -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 05:53:24 (EDT)
__ __ Dirk -:- FORUM ADMINISTRATOR: Please Block This Guy.. -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 12:51:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ block and send any info you have to -:- the authorities -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 13:11:55 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- Let's let it stand -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 15:29:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Dirk -:- This has NOTHING to Do with RAWAT -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 16:52:56 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Gerry I wish you had moved Porky's post to -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 19:18:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ don p. -:- Re: Gerry I wish you had moved Porky's post to -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 05:22:14 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Then leave! -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:22:34 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ don pee -:- Re: Then leave! -:- Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 06:54:38 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- I never saw it [nt] -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 20:22:40 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Gerry, on LG you said that -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 15:08:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- pat can you give me an idea what -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 15:26:34 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Pat, I got it now -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 15:34:54 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Yes, Gerry -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 16:29:26 (EDT)

__ __ [Blank] -:- wow -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:00:21 (EDT)
__ Here's an idea -:- Go Fuck your Mother Again and go away -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 08:05:58 (EDT)
__ __ a0aji -:- :: Mom always liked you best :: [nt] -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:58:23 (EDT)

Sir Dave -:- A family at war -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 06:07:21 (EDT)
__ Scott T. -:- Thanks Dave -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 08:24:33 (EDT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Thanks Dave -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:15:02 (EDT)
__ __ __ Reference -:- Re: Thanks Dave -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 13:49:51 (EDT)
__ __ cq -:- The Hydra's head -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 08:50:56 (EDT)

Joe -:- Interesting Insurance Tidbits re WTC (OT) -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 20:31:16 (EDT)
__ Jerry -:- Insured against terrorism -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:04:50 (EDT)
__ __ Joe -:- He said the LEASE is insured -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 22:36:10 (EDT)
__ __ cq -:- against terrorism - not war? -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:20:42 (EDT)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- So will the Reinsurers... -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:56:41 (EDT)
__ Francesca -:- The insurance company bailout? (OT) -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 00:34:44 (EDT)
__ __ Pat:C) -:- Re: The insurance company bailout? (OT) -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 04:04:35 (EDT)
__ __ __ Mr. Silverstein, the WTC -:- leaseholder, wants to rebuild... -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 04:37:34 (EDT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Bush is Saying Yes to $ Requests -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 02:17:44 (EDT)

John Brauns -:- Today -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 18:07:27 (EDT)
__ Katie -:- Love to you, John -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 15:29:29 (EDT)
__ __ JHB -:- Thanks everyone -:- Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 02:55:06 (EDT)
__ SC -:- NOT time for casting stones -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 01:16:27 (EDT)
__ __ Scott T. -:- Whoever you are... -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 08:28:23 (EDT)
__ __ YOYO -:- $%##@@& YOUR stones -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 07:58:09 (EDT)
__ __ AJW -:- 'Meditation transcends feelings' -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 04:19:38 (EDT)
__ __ __ Silvia -:- Right on AJW -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 07:54:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Re: 'Meditation transcends feelings' -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 04:26:19 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- Day of mourning here too Pat. -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 05:05:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ yelnaws -:- Re: Day of mourning here too Pat. -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 14:50:13 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- TO Yelnaws.... -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 14:59:19 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- He's a troll ~) [nt] -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 16:37:29 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Hi Deborah... -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 17:35:01 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: Hi Cynthia... -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 18:08:56 (EDT)
__ __ Cynthia -:- And what has Maharaji said... -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 02:23:41 (EDT)
__ Richard -:- Thanks for your honesty John -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 21:16:26 (EDT)
__ __ Selene -:- Thanks from me also -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 02:45:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Right On, Selene... -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:41:48 (EDT)
__ Jerry -:- Re: Today -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 19:52:48 (EDT)
__ CD -:- Re: Today -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 18:34:33 (EDT)
__ __ Rick -:- Re: Today -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 20:12:34 (EDT)
__ __ &nbsp#$% -:- and this is so compassionate -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 20:54:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ Rick -:- Re: and this is so compassionate -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 22:03:56 (EDT)
__ __ __ CD -:- Re: Today -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 20:48:05 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Rick -:- Re: Today -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 21:51:03 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ CD -:- Re: Today -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 17:01:36 (EDT)
__ __ __ CD -:- Re: Today -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 20:29:44 (EDT)
__ Joe -:- Knowledge and Maharaji as "Comfort" -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 18:25:14 (EDT)
__ __ Scott T. -:- Re: Knowledge and Maharaji as -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 21:00:34 (EDT)

Francesca -:- More on FBI and Carnivore -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 16:49:39 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- Government suveillance -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 04:29:06 (EDT)
__ Chuck S. -:- More on Carnivore... -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 17:15:49 (EDT)
__ __ Francesca -:- Whoa, nellie!! [nt] -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 18:25:52 (EDT)
__ michael donner -:- Re: More on FBI and Carnivore -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 17:13:12 (EDT)
__ __ gerry -:- Re: More on FBI and Carnivore -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 18:41:16 (EDT)
__ __ __ michael donner -:- Re: More on FBI and Carnivore -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 22:48:57 (EDT)
__ __ __ PatD -:- Try this one -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 19:32:44 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ michael donner -:- Re: Try this one -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 22:50:47 (EDT)

salam -:- on a different note -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 13:01:44 (EDT)
__ Pat:C) -:- Also on a different note -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 15:33:02 (EDT)
__ __ Pat:C) -:- PS Marisa Berenson was in DLM mag -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 17:05:47 (EDT)
__ Selene -:- weren't they the registrar before? -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 13:50:54 (EDT)
__ __ salam -:- Yeah, who doesn't. -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 14:54:30 (EDT)
__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Terror put CAC in proportion -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 04:20:13 (EDT)

cq -:- Strike a light! -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 12:52:21 (EDT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Have a banana -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 13:27:33 (EDT)
__ __ cq -:- Is this the exploding type of banana? -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 15:41:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- An end to all shirts -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 16:09:35 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- Re: But don't forget the toilet paper :) (nt) -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 16:36:34 (EDT)
__ __ Carl -:- Privacies further reduced, intelligence gathering -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 14:03:18 (EDT)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Looks like I blew it -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 16:13:05 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Silvia -:- Hi SD! -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 18:33:56 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Thanks & some important info -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 23:07:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Silvia -:- I don't know -:- Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 07:23:57 (EDT)

Cynthia -:- Candle Lighting-Please Participate... -:- Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 12:23:15 (EDT)


Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:47:34 (EDT)
From: this may very well turn into
Email: None
To: All
Subject: WW III
Message:
It's appearing that the nation's of the world are going to be forced to take sides. Seems very much like WW I w/high tech

U.S. seems to be attempting to identify friend and foe with plans on cutting off communications and perhaps occupying all the identified nations.

There will be more tragic events here in the U.S. as well. It is impossible for all potential targets to be protected. Cells are here in place ready to strike.

All will suffer. Sorry for doomesday scenario but I think we (the whole world of individuals)need to ready ourselves for this possibility. The drums of war are pounding everywhere.

I want to scream HELP but who do you scream to??

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 14:47:04 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: this may very well turn into
Subject: Just prepare
Message:
help yourself. I think it wouldn't be crazy to gather food supply, water, etc. and if possible have a plan to leave big cities.

Robyn, where are u? :)

I agree, it seems war is in the air. I hope we are wrong.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 12:00:39 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: this may very well turn into
Subject: ::war of the worlds::
Message:
And then someone who's byline is part of the subject said:

It's appearing that the nation's of the world are going to be
forced to take sides. Seems very much like WW I w/high tech

U.S. seems to be attempting to identify friend and foe with
plans on cutting off communications and perhaps occupying all
the identified nations.

There will be more tragic events here in the U.S. as well. It
is impossible for all potential targets to be protected.
Cells are here in place ready to strike.

All will suffer. Sorry for doomesday scenario but I think we
(the whole world of individuals)need to ready ourselves for
this possibility. The drums of war are pounding everywhere.

I want to scream HELP but who do you scream to?

---

The UFO's could come out of hiding, too. This is just the
sort of thing they've been waiting for.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 15:07:15 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: a0aji
Subject: Nuclear & chemical weapons
Message:
Nuclear weapons are hard to make and the terrorist cells that operate in the West won't have the technology to make them. An ICBM which can lob a warhead into space and then down into another continent are very expensive and beyond most terrorists means. Even Saddam Hussain hasn't got those.

Chemical weapons on the other hand are easier to make but their range is limited to a few miles. The ones that were used in Japan by that cult recently were a good indication of the type of terrorist weapon that may be used. Even though they were used on an underground train network, they did not cause too many fatalities and most people just got ill.

Terrorists have other means of terror at their disposal. Derailing trains is an easy thing to accomplish. Exploding bridges or tunnels is another. The airliner that came down as it flew out of America a few years ago was brought down by a terrorist ground to air missile and such missiles are shoulder held and not too difficult to aquire.

Since the danger is that terrorists could get hold of real weapons of mass destruction like nuclear warheads and ICBMs, there has to be a war against them. But terrorists do not have the technology that America and Europe has and mass destruction is very unlikely.

The death of 20,000 plus people this week was accomplished by a few razor blades and the ruthless cutting of airline stewardesses' throats to instill fear into airline crew and passengers. It was hardly hi-tech and an indication that the terrorists in America have determination but only limited means at their disposal.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 16:56:56 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: Nuclear & chemical weapons
Message:
Nuclear weapons are hard to make and the terrorist cells that operate in the West won't have
the technology to make them

Sir Dave,
How do you know this? Have you been kanoodling with these guys again?

The airliner that came down as it flew
out of America a few years ago was brought down by a terrorist ground to air missile and
such missiles are shoulder held and not too difficult to aquire.

Er, Dave... what plane was brought down by a missle? Where'd you get this info?

The death of 20,000 plus people this week...

It won't be more than 6,000, according all estimates in the American media.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 19:37:54 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: TWA 800 downed by a missle
Message:
Yup, it's true. Probably 'friendly fire' though, not terrorism. It was an 'oops.' Military exercise.

There is tons of forensic and eye witness testimony to verify this fact. But don't expect to hear it from the news fakers on NBC, CNN, etc.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 19:55:47 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: TWA 800 downed by a missle
Message:
There is absolutely no way to determine that TWA 800 was downed by a missle. I think you're probably believing news sources as non-credible as NBC; just less conventional. For instance, where are you getting info on the WTC incident, and it what ways is it different than than NBC, CNN, etc?
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 20:32:36 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: believe it, buddy...
Message:
There is absolutely no way to determine that TWA 800 was downed by a missle

Rick, how can you say this? Did you miss the full page ad in USA Today placed by the employees of TWA and others who demanded a reopening of the investigation? A full page ad that declared they believed, based on the evidence, that the flight was shot down by a missle.

I have read one book and viewed a video about this as well as years of reading about it on the internet. Do you want the name of the book? It's really tough to take you all the way there from ground zero and I can only sugeest you check it out for yourself.

One thing I have to say to everyone and this criticism was kindly pointed out by someone here-I forget who-that I often make these 'leaps' without presenting the background and my proof or research.. This is a valid criticism and I can only say that I dislike backtracking and am a bit impatient as well as kinda lazy. A bad combination, but I will sincerely discuss a lot of this with anyone off line.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 22:23:40 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: believe it, buddy...
Message:
I'll try to check out the U.S.A Today full page ad on the Internet. It must be there somewhere. I'm skeptical because your theory is supported by the 'reverse speech' stuff (that's always suspect).
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 17:10:22 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Re: Nuclear & chemical weapons
Message:
I don't know how the NYC folks are getting their figures. If, on a given day, 50,000 could be in both of the towers, then how could it be 6,000 dead?

Surely, 10 to 15 thousand didn't get out, did they? The buildings collapsed so quickly after the hits. I think they have no way to estimate at this time.

I know what the media has been saying, I'm just wondering what's true.

Plus, I think that it is easy to make or steal a small nuke. Bin Laden, and those around him are apparently highly educated and obviously have connections.

Gotta go...I can't sit here all day, and it's georgous out today.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 18:54:50 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: Nuclear & chemical weapons
Message:
I think the 50,000 figure is the total number of people who worked in the two buildings. That would include a night shift and graveyard shift, people who called in sick, personal days, vacation, out on sales calls, etc. Take into account that the planes struck somewhere around the 70th or 80th floors, allowing a warning to those on lower floors who were motivated to leave, and it's concievable to end up with around 5,000. Also, remember that the first bomb struck before 9am, so a lot people who work the day shift weren't even there yet.

I can't think of any reason the media would underestimate the figure. If anything, you'd think they'd exaggerate to generate support for a war. They deserve some credit for not showing the footage of people jumping out of windows. That would have made the support for a war even more zealous.

Your story was funny about your husband thinking they'd air the story of the flood on the small island.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 21:46:28 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Re: Nuclear & chemical weapons
Message:
Rick,
I live 5 hrs from NYC and saw news footage of people, lots, jumping out of windows. That first day they left in every curse word and they were deleted in the days that followed so maybe seeing the people jumping, horrifying to see, was something that was just seen in the live or close to it footage in the first day when everthing was pretty raw.
Robyn
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 22:28:24 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Robyn
Subject: Re: Nuclear & chemical weapons
Message:
Sounds possible. On the west coast, there was only one brief shot of someone mid-flight after jumping. There was one repeated shot of people clutching the building at the windows but not yet jumping. I know the networks and big cable news channels have policies to omit very disturbing scenes.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 15:59:35 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: chemical trails
Message:
Hi SD,

Have you observed chemical trails in your skies as we do here in the US?

Today particularly(I live by a military base) my sky above looks so, so messy, but when in the past people contacted the gov. continuosly denied any plane was flying at that time... They are unmarked planes.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 16:10:56 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: Re: chemical trails
Message:
Yes, the obvious spraying has begin again here in the Pacific Northwest.

It was a nice couple of days without these noxious chemicals being sprayed into the atmosphere until the entire sky is occluded.

One observation I made was that the few commercial airliners I could see left absolutely no contrails, while the 'supersoakers' created a whole localized weather system of nasty greasy clouds, sundogs, and an ugly halo around the sun.

There is little doubt that these are not ordinary contrails and this is a massive operation which is being hidden from the citizens, for unknown (to us) reasons.

Many serious and qualified scientists are attempting to examine this phenomena and they are being stonewalled at the highest levels by the government.
[ Chemtrails, what and why? ]

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 19:46:18 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: THANKS!!!
Message:
Good site!

I have taken hundreds of photos by my home since last year, October.

What in the hell is it?

Yeah, I noticed how THAT trail does not dissipate as comercial planes but stays there for hours. nasty.

thanks again. If you have more of the same e-mail me please.

Silvia

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 19:54:08 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: Re: THANKS!!!
Message:
Hi Silvia,

I've been studying and observing this phenomena for about two years. I have taken several digital photos, but rarely saved them because the same shit happens day after day, almost.

I've been a sky observer all my life, I always look up and take stock of the conditions and it's just been the last three years or so that this chemtrail problem has reared its ugly face.

I hope you don't mind my blocking this yelneaws person and you can handle him yourself, I am confident.

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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 16:40:16 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: yeah
Message:
It fascinates me too and to many of myy cyber friends.

I have taken many digital photos ans saved them, oyu are right; now is evryday stuff...
I just chatted (?) with Yealnaws for about an hour....she/he is confused and desolated taht the premies, all she knew for so many years have abandoned her/him, now taht she feels confused and sick...

She/he will be alright.

I sent many good links to Mind Control sites. This person is in trouble in the sense taht has lost hope of ever feeling good again, and that her/his mind is lost forever. be kind.

We never know...

Love you grumppy!:)

silvia

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 17:04:14 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Very Curious Indeed...
Message:
I never heard of this before! BUT, in a small town north of here which is a regular commercial airline route to Burlington Int'l Airport, has an unsually high number of cancer victims.

Apparently, these folks have been told it's because the aircraft are ''dumping'' fuel before landing.

I happened to learn about this one day last year when I stopped at a yard sale in that town. The woman's husband has cancer. Everybody they know seems to have cancer.

They've tried to do something about this so-called fuel dumping, but to no avail. Respiratory illnesses have increased here too. Just about everyone I know, including me, have developed allegies which are affecting our respiratory systems.

A few years ago, the Plattsburg Airforce Base in NY was closed down--during a period when the military was cutting down bases. Up to that point, we always saw jets flying above, but I never have seen any ''white, unmarked planes,'', hmmm. maybe I did see them. Don't know.

Also, we get acid rain in Vermont from the midwest, along with many other chemicals which supposedly are emitted from industry pipestacks that travel to us on the jetstream.

This is very wierd. I never heard about this before.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 19:49:28 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: pass it on
Message:
Print some photos and show yoru neighbours. Whatever it is we have the right to know. Take pictures if you can. When I have some free time I would like to make a website and send links to many GOV.agencies asking for answers.

Take care.

sivia

PS: A troll may be....:)

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 21:05:15 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: Whatever it is we have the right to know
Message:
Absolutely right, Silvia. I'm so glad you said this, because that's my belief as well. Who knows, maybe chemtrails are for our benefit. But we should talk about this in a free society, above board. This continous chant of 'national security' as an excuse to not talk about things, just doesn't wash any more. We want the truth.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 16:48:05 (EDT)
From: SILVIA
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: Whatever it is we have the right to know
Message:
IF WE 'CAN'T' know it must not be good. ;)
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:27:40 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Osama Bin Laden (OT)
Message:
The U.S. government says they're sure Osama Bin Laden is responsible for the WTC bombings. Dubya Bush held a press conference this morning and said 'these people have declared war on us' and said we are going to take military action.

Last night, Chris Matthews (CNBC's Hardball) interviewed Yossef Bodansky, author of 'Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War on America', and the member of a congressional committee on terrorism.

Bodansky said Bin Laden is hidden in a remote valley in Afghanistan, in a bunker three stories below ground level. He has 10,000 well-trained soldiers (besides a sophisticated support system with many thousands), and it's absolutely impossible to find him. There is no way the Taliban government of Afghanistan will help the U.S. locate him.

Bodansky spends most of his time studying Bin Laden and he said there's no way we're getting our hands on him. He explained Bin Laden's beef with the United States as a combination of his rage over the U.S. defiling of Saudi Arabian soil during the Gulf War, and Israel's actions against the Palestinians.

Benjamin Netanyahu was interviewed on Geraldo Rivera's show, and said that Bin Laden's group wants to turn back the clock a thousand years; that the fundamentalist Islamic movement sees the values of Western civilization as Satan and is intent on completely destroying it. Netanyahu thinks the next attack on the U.S. will involve nuclear weapons. Other 'experts' think it might also involve biological weapons.

From everything I've heard, it sounds like we're not going to get Bin Laden. It just isn't going to happen, even if we bombed the shit out of Afghanistan. And regardless of what the U.S. does, there are still dozens of terrorist 'cells' buried in American society that plan to carry out more terrorist attacks.

Not a good situation.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot this. CNN reports the U.S. government will start selling "War Bonds".

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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 01:24:31 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Northern Alliance
Message:
Maybe WE can't get him, but what if we were to start working with Afghanistan's Northern Alliance, get some of those guys to infiltrate bin Ladien's camp? You know, shake hands and make deals with the devil, so to speak, as Mel likes to rightly accuse us of doing everytime he pops up. We're probably going to have to do a lot of that before this 'war' is over, if it's ever going to end.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 11:00:05 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Re: Northern Alliance
Message:
Yeah, isn't the Northern Alliance the group whose leader was curiosly assasinated the day before the WTC incident?

I think you're right we'll be able to do something towards fighting terrorism, but will we be able to do enough to stop our entire way of life from being changed? I doubt it.

What has visited Israel, the Balkans, and Africa will now visit the U.S. in an even worse way. Our chance to cause terrorism a real blow is gone. It would have had to happen before they knew we were really gearing up. Now they're completely prepared to respond to our massive efforts. The element of surprise is gone.

The only thing I can think of that would radically change terrorism is for the western countries to join together and destroy Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Syria and Sudan. It would be terribly wrong and it isn't going to happen, but other than that, I don't see how terrorism is going to stop.

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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 11:13:34 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Re: Northern Alliance
Message:
Yeah, I'm concerned the way Bush is so sure of himself that we can 'beat' terrorism. It's kind of arrogant, I think, when you consider that the rest of the world has been trying to for several decades now. I wonder what they think of Bush's proud boasts. Probably that they're typically American. But maybe if we climb on board and really pour the massive resources at our disposal into an international effort, maybe it can be done. Keep your fingers crossed.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:11:57 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: That's one head of the Hydra then
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:19:03 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Re: That's one head - text didn't show up
Message:
The foreign ministry of Afghanistan's ruling Taliban said this morning that it would consider forming an invasion force to attack any neighboring country that aided the United States in the use of military force against Afghanistan.

Which puts Pakistan in a difficult position.

The following is from the South Asia Analysis Group's report 'MUSHARRAF AND TERRORISM', and includes excerpts from the US State Department's annual report on Patterns of Global Terrorism during 2000 released by Gen. Colin Powell, US Secretary of State, on April 30,2001.

'Throughout 2000 the Taliban continued to host Usama Bin Ladin despite UN sanctions and international pressure to hand him over to stand trial in the United States or a third country. In a serious and ongoing dialogue with the Taliban, the United States repeatedly made clear to the Taliban that it would be held responsible for any terrorist attacks undertaken by Bin Ladin while he is in its territory.

... 'The United States remains concerned about reports of continued Pakistani support for the Taliban's military
operations in Afghanistan. Credible reporting indicates that Pakistan is providing the Taliban with material,
fuel, funding, technical assistance, and military advisers. Pakistan has not prevented large numbers of
Pakistani nationals from moving into Afghanistan to fight for the Taliban. Islamabad also failed to take
effective steps to curb the activities of certain madrassas, or religious schools, that serve as recruiting grounds
for terrorism. Pakistan publicly and privately said it intends to comply fully with UNSCR 1333, which
imposes an arms embargo on the Taliban.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 12:04:31 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Re: That's one head - text didn't show up
Message:
From what I know about this (which isn't much), I figure Pakistan would crush Afghanistan in about a week, if they tried to invade.
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Date: Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 04:06:17 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: There'd be civil war in Pakistan first (nt)
Message:
There'd be civil war in Pakistan first (nt)
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:35:19 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Rick, see my post below...(OT)
Message:
which is under Sir Dave's thread, 'thanks dave'

I think we in for a difficult winter and I'm not talking about snow or cold weather.

Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:43:39 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: Rick, see my post below...(OT)
Message:
Hi Cynthia,
I also saw the interview with Judith Miller. It was good. I do think it's confusing to debate the point about fudamentalism because that is the 'cause' driving the terrorists. They want the world to follow the rules of Islam, as interpreted by the fundamentalists. So it's convenient to identify the terrorists as fundamentalists. The fundamentalists support the terrorists and rejoice in the destruction caused by terrorism.

Yeah, it could be long 'winter'.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:50:35 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Rick....(OT)
Message:
I forgot to ask...how are you?

Well, I hope, under the circumstances :)

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 12:02:37 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: Rick....(OT)
Message:
Other than being disturbed by the images, I'm okay. I live on the west coast and don't know anyone involved. Unfortunately, my world doesn't end at my front door, and I realize that true tragedy isn't that far away. I hope things work out okay.

I know from your posts that this has hit you hard and I hope you're feeling better.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 14:38:52 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Re: Rick....(OT)
Message:
Yeah, I'm fine, except my husband left a voice message on Friday, saying ''don't worry, we're okay.''

He's down on North Captiva helping a friend of ours move off the island and up to here in Vermont. They got hit very hard by a tropical storm and our friend's house and yard was knee deep in water. They are safe. Our friend had already packed stuff which was destroyed on the first floor.

They are keeping good humour--but our friend said, fuck it, lets pack it up and head north. I was a bit alarmed until he called back. He assumed there would be some tv coverage, but I said no honey, a flood on a small island in the Gulf of Mexico is not news this week...

It's difficult and expensive to move off that island because it's an exclusive ''shee shee shaa shaa'' place. Our friend is a working class guy, a brilliant wood carver and furniture maker, so it's too bad a lot of his equipment was damaged by sea water.

Such is life...they'll be back soon...I'm just happy they are alive and well....

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:25:59 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Why is the board posting today as 9/15?
Message:
Just curious, it's Sept. 16th, right? Or am I so confused I can't read a calendar? :)
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:51:49 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: er, perhaps because it's September 15th?
Message:
sorry, Cynth, but you gotta laugh.

What made you so sure it was the 16th? Do tell.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:56:00 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Geezum Crow...:)
Message:
When I woke up this morning I thought it was Sunday. I'm laughing at myself because I went to bed knowing it was Friday night.

I have a dissociative disorder which causes me to 'lose time.' I guess in this case I gained it LOLOL!

I needed a laugh, have it on me...

Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 23:44:54 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: i have it too cyn
Message:
it makes life interesting. i lose and gain days all the time.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 15:41:08 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Re: i have it too cyn
Message:
Hi janet,

Finally, someone who believes me! Hope you are well.

I've got to go for now, hug a tree or something...

Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:59:00 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: P.S. Thanks for the ''back-date'' :) [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:22:28 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Thanks for the giggle :)
Message:
Thanks for the giggle, but sorry to hear about your dissociative disorder. Hope I wasn't insensitive.
:)
Chris
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:27:04 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Not insensitive at all, cq...
Message:
Laughing at myself is healthy....and I really believed it was Sunday...
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 15:48:53 (EDT)
From: An Observer
Email: None
To: don p.
Subject: A-men
Message:
Yes ..... very well put .... let he who is without sin cast the first stone ......
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 15:39:04 (EDT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: don p.
Subject: I feel sorry for you
Message:
If you really believe that the deaths of thousands of people, including many muslims and many poor people trying to make a living (and whose grieving families are now searching for them) means that:

.it was a spritual experience.. it felt
so good, beyond my wildest dreams, finally those
arrogant bastards who try to dominate this world
with their fucking money, this us imperalist-
zionist connection has been wounded.

You are thinking in abstractions, and perhaps that is your way of coping - but it is making you inhuman. Are you a muslim? Do you even KNOW any muslims ? It sure doesn't sound like it. My muslim friends are grieving too - because they are human beings. So are my premie friends.

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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 05:56:52 (EDT)
From: don p.
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Re: I feel sorry for you
Message:
sorry, but this hate has been generated by all the hateful actions
of the u.s. troops around the world...you are blind to anyone elses
suffering except your own...
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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 13:18:25 (EDT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: don p.
Subject: You don't know me
Message:
And you have no right to say 'I am blind to anyone else's suffering but my own', because you don't have a clue what I think and feel, obviously. I would suggest that you think about how that statement applies to you.
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Date: Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 06:42:53 (EDT)
From: don pee
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Re: You don't know me
Message:
sorry katie, in these days i'm getting carried away, when i said YOU
i meant the overall u.s. attitude of those 90% who call for revenge,
i did not mean katie who. i think you are a very discernful person.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:49:39 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee
Email: None
To: don p.
Subject: Re: sept 11, 2001 and sant ji
Message:
You are one messed-up person if you think that the murder of thousands of people is 'on the spiritual level the hand of God.' You obviously have no sense of spirituality at all. Perhaps too many years mistaking the sounds of your thumbs creaking in your ears as music and falling alseep under your blanket and calling that meditation has made you spiritually and morally bankrupt.

Don't forget, the majority of the people in the East are not Muslim, and as a person living in the Developing World, I know that most people do not agree with your disturbed world view.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:14:19 (EDT)
From: guru Salamji
Email: None
To: don p.
Subject: Re: sept 11, 2001 and sant ji
Message:
what is bloody special about what santji said. Here something for you:

There will be high things that will be low, and there will be low thing that will be high.

And another one

The future may hold good Fortune,

or better still,

man that has dick in a cookie jar needs to get laid.

fuck your wisdom.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 14:10:58 (EDT)
From: Guru David Singh
Email: None
To: guru Salamji
Subject: Re: sept 11, 2001 and sant ji
Message:
He who crosses river without a bridge shall get wet.

The sun rises every morning but sets in the evening.

The man who shuts finger in door has no peace.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:28:09 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: guru Salamji
Subject: Thank you, Salam...:) [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 10:47:35 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: don p.
Subject: Are you serious? If so...
Message:
my reply to you is BULLSHIT!

Maharaji has no more wisdom than a rock (rocks have more wisdom). And your post was filled with hateful remarks.

I don't think you understand anything about human nature to be able to attack Americans with a broad brush. Most of us just live our daily lives without harming anyone.

Go back and think this over...are you serious?

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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 05:53:24 (EDT)
From: don p.
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: Are you serious? If so...
Message:
i was NOT attacking americans, i was attacking their adminstration,
but it seems that 90% support that texan cocksucker and don't under
stand it was their government who was responsible for this BACKLASH
to their foreign policy in the middle east and everywhere...with
what right do the u.s. have military bases in saudi arabia,morocco,
the philippines, japan, germany, the u.k.and i don't know where else.
where was your reaction about all the people killed by u.s. troops
around the world???that's what pisses me off and alotta other people
too that are not as peaceful as me..and can't i state my opinion
without getting ripped apart by the dogs ?????i thought this is a
free forum..i could have shut up and kept my thoughts to myself
like many others who are afraid of u.s. retaliation...and assholes
like dirk and pat c. prove i was right, they are calling for a ban
and the fbi, those miserable crooks....freedom of speech and freedom
from u.s. terrorism is what i demand....and my muslim friends as well
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 12:51:21 (EDT)
From: Dirk
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: FORUM ADMINISTRATOR: Please Block This Guy..
Message:
Please read the above Post by 'don p.' He is obviously a Sick Bastard...and there is No need to Have his VERY Sick Commentary on this Forum. Thank You for Your Service.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 13:11:55 (EDT)
From: block and send any info you have to
Email: None
To: Dirk
Subject: the authorities
Message:
relating to the people jumping for joy in the streets....
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 15:29:21 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: block and send any info you have to
Subject: Let's let it stand
Message:
As a monument to Rawatism.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 16:52:56 (EDT)
From: Dirk
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: This has NOTHING to Do with RAWAT
Message:
That kind of Blatant Hatred and Evil has Nothing to Do with Maharaji or Rawat. It says nothing about M only about him. I request you block this person..simply because he adds NOTHING and Detracts from our Humanity here. He can find another forum to spout his vitriol. And Im hoping CARNIVORE is Watching
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 19:18:58 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Dirk
Subject: Gerry I wish you had moved Porky's post to
Message:
Lifes (sic) Great so the premies could see his true colors. I hope you sent a copy to the FBI.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 05:22:14 (EDT)
From: don p.
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: Gerry I wish you had moved Porky's post to
Message:
so you too, my son brutus, i thought we were amongst ourselves on this
forum, but no, bloody informers and denouncers, crying for the pig
establishment, well seems like cunts like jerry rubin are the average
in this place, so the muslims will have to do the job coz there aren't
any people with guts in the u.s....god bless the una bomber..!!!!
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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 12:22:34 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: don p.
Subject: Then leave!
Message:
So, you advocate violence after all. You bless the unibomer?

You call people with a political viewpoint that you don't share 'cunts?'' How nice of you, very peaceful thinking, also, IMO. That word is very offensive to me and most men and women I know. My husband, and all my male friends, (and I have a lot of male friends) won't even use that word, because it makes them feel dirty.

I'm about to go all caps on you, but, frankly, you're not worth the effort.

Just leave, go to a forum that suits your political ideology.

Cynthia

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Date: Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 06:54:38 (EDT)
From: don pee
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: Then leave!
Message:
god is not peaceful, he drowned a rotten world in the great deluge,
didn't he? when the god of the old testament was dissatisfied with
his chosen people he asked for action. 40,000 souls were slaughtered
in one night and then he was satisfied. read your bible.muslims still
think in that category, they don't worship a sweet jesus type god,
this is what dubya should be aware of...
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 20:22:40 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: I never saw it [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 15:08:20 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Gerry, on LG you said that
Message:
you did not delete Porky's post but it is gone. Did Hotboards delete it? SC is now requesting that it be reposted on LG. I hope Porky reposts it there.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 15:26:34 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: pat can you give me an idea what
Message:
was in the post? The general sense of it? I've deleted some stuff lately but I don't recall targeting this guy's stuff. Perhaps it was in a thread which ws deleted.

It's tough to keep up with all this and with all the demands I get to delete this and delete that and to block this and that person.

I'm just muddling through this without much enthusiam anymore, I'm afraid. There are probably going to be some changes again soon. I'm really getting tired of this and as I said earlier, I was winding down my involvement here when the CAC attack revitalized my and other's opposition to Rawat. Somehow that seems like months ago.

Was it Proky's post where he has the spiritual orgasm over this mass murder? Yeah, I hope I did delete that one.

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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 15:34:54 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Pat, I got it now
Message:
It was the first post in this thread where Porky did his blood lust dance in the street, presumably 'Remembering the Word' and praising the perfect master of our time Slimebag RawRat.
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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 16:29:26 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Yes, Gerry
Message:
I hope he reposts it on LG as requested by David/SC. But he probably did not keep it. What a pity.

If you need help just ask. I'm tired of the political stuff right now as I have had my say.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 11:00:21 (EDT)
From: [Blank]
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: wow
Message:
the word d j u r o is banned. I was right, it was him.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 08:05:58 (EDT)
From: Here's an idea
Email: None
To: ****
Subject: Go Fuck your Mother Again and go away
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:58:23 (EDT)
From: a0aji
Email: None
To: Here's an idea
Subject: :: Mom always liked you best :: [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 06:07:21 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: All
Subject: A family at war
Message:
Bin Lada's brother is the proprietor of a hamburger joint called ''The Hard Rock Cafe'' in Beiruit.

Bin Lada himself is known to have crying tamtrums where he throws himself onto his bed and cries, banging his pillows with his fists. He did this when the Muhajadin wouldn't murder BBC journalist, John Simpson back in 1989, when he was covering the war in Afganistan.

It's widely expected that the Taliban won't put up a fight, despite their fierce rhetoric. It's also been supposed that the reason why Pakistan quickly complied with the USA's wishes to have bases there is because they were in danger of losing their nuclear status if they opposed the Americans.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 08:24:33 (EDT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Thanks Dave
Message:
Wish there were some reports on this aspect of the great cult leader (which we all know to be true characterization of cult leaders in general) instead of this drumbeat about how fucking invinceable he's supposed to be. As for his brother, what is his status? We know that the siblings of mass murderers are not necessarily implicated, and may even in vehement opposition, to their family members' activities. Is UBL's brother a 'fellow traveler' that we might, perhaps, kill with kindness?

--Scott (the diabolical) T.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:15:02 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Scott T.
Subject: Re: Thanks Dave
Message:
I saw on NBC an interview of Judith Miller, a New York Times journalist who has extensive knowledge about Bin Ladlen and writes exclusively about all of the Middle Eastern terrorists. She is very informed and smart about this issue, which, in all honesty, I've never really paid much attention to because it's so convoluted to me.

She said (and I never knew this!) that Bin Laden inherited $300,000 MILLION when his father died. My false impression of him was that Laden was a poor guy who was just nuts. Having a temper trantrum isn't crazy, either. It's more like a rich kid not getting his way.

Miller said that he is not crazy at all and that's an incorrect assumption. In fact, fanatical is the correct word to use. She said that Bin Laden doesn't allow anyone who is psychologically unstable into the fold because they are a security risk as such. Miller also said that it is incorrect to refer to them as fundamentalists, because fundamentalist really means ''to be practicing the basics of religion, and most people of that faith who are fundamentalists are not terrorists. Miller also discussed they are always and only men. She also discussed the mistreatment and oppression of women in the culture. I already knew that as a student of feminist and womanism. But I learned a lot from listening to that one interview.

Judith Miller was quite interesting to listen to. She recently published a book about the terrorists groups titled Germs. Her major concerns (she said fears) now are that Bin Laden has been experimenting with biological and chemical materials. Also trying to get nuclear materials. Miller expressed that she is very, very, concerned about this aspect of terrorism, in light of the events this week.

I spent some time channel hopping because I don't keep the coverage on for more than an hour at a time, it's so intense. Yesterday the Congress passed a resolution giving Bush full power to use any weapons in our arsenal. That includes nukes. It's chilling. One show I watched had retired (high level) military men discussing the viability dropping nukes on certain countries like Afhganistan. We can't bomb them into the stone age because they are already there. His description was to drop one strategic nuclear bomb and let the area glow for 250,000 years.

Not a good time for humans, folks....I am quite frightened about all this.

Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 13:49:51 (EDT)
From: Reference
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: Thanks Dave
Message:
Here is a Judith Miller interview on PBS. (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/interviews/miller.html)
[ Judith Miller Interview ]
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 08:50:56 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Scott T.
Subject: The Hydra's head
Message:
Hi Scott

I was going to post the following as a new thread, but under your post seems a better place. (Glad to see you're still posting, BTW).

Well, here's my tuppence-ha'pence worth this morning, and feel free to disagree, if you think I'm way out of line:

It's essential that the perpetrators of Tuesday's attacks be found and brought to justice for their crimes, and to that end America will have the co-operation of most of the world.

But war????

How on earth is America going to wage a war on an enemy that is spread throughout the countries of the world? And if global terrorism itself is the enemy, and Bush 'will make no distinction' between the terrorists and the countries that 'harbour' them - then what kind of prospect is that for the rest of the world? To threaten war is to spread fear - terror even - amongst the world's population, and Bush's over-reaction, however popular at home, is not the action of a responsible politician.

Bring the terrorists to justice. But don't kill more innocent civilians whose only 'crime' would be that they live in the same country as the terrorist groups.

You may or may not share my views on this, but please do read the following msnbc.com/news article about Bin Laden, which quotes Thomas Gouttierre, described as a 'veteran bin Laden watcher at UNO’s Center for Afghanistan Studies'. He has some insights into the situation that we'd all benefit from hearing:

QUOTE
Al Qaeda is now the most
capable force among known Islamic terrorist groups. Most
others are riven by internal conflicts or else have been heavily
infiltrated. Indeed, the group provides much of the military
muscle now being deployed by Afghanistan’s Taliban leaders
in their ceaseless civil war against the opposition forces in the
northern part of the country.

But to say that bin Laden is in some sense the sponsor of
the attacks isn’t to say he ordered them. “He probably didn’t
know what was going to happen on Tuesday,” says
Gouttierre. “He’s clever. The organization is clever, and the
more decentralized the organization is, the more effective it
can be. If you don’t have communications streaming back to
the center, you’re less vulnerable to discovery.”
It’s in the nature of a terrorist group organized into cells
that one cell doesn’t know much if anything about what other
cells are doing. In the case of Al Qaeda, it’s clear that while
bin Laden arranges financing for the group, sets out training
methods and supplies an overall ideological framework, the
terrorists are often on their own once training is over and
they’ve been conveyed out of the camps in Afghanistan or
Sudan. Gouttierre calls this “guerilla terrorism” because of the
high degree of operational freedom the agents enjoy: “If you
make the people involved not dependent on what happens to
anyone else, the risk of failure is diminished considerably.”
In fact, he says, the system creates “a kind of friendly
competition among cells.” There is similarity among them, but
that’s because “the objectives are the same, the training is the
same and therefore the methods are the same.”

For this reason,
Gouttierre is skeptical
about talk of attacking
bin Laden directly. For
one thing, he says,
“removing bin Laden
from the scene would
have no effect on the
group ... It’s all
designed so that if 10 people die, it’ll probably grow, not
diminish.” Many of its members are overseas
already—probably more than 50 left in the United States
alone, he thinks, with hundreds or even thousands in other
countries—and therefore self-directed. For another, such talk
is simply “anthropomorphizing the threat” and missing the
point that Al Qaeda is far more than one man. But doesn’t
the group depend on his reported charisma? “The issues have
made him charismatic,” says Gouttierre, “and we’ve made
him charismatic. Even those who abhor what he does
begrudgingly admire the way he frustrates the big power.”
Then there’s the problem of how some military force
would even find bin Laden. Gouttierre suspects that bin
Laden is no longer at any of the known camps, but is in hiding
in the mountainous border region between Afghanistan and
Pakistan. Moreover, the Taliban would inevitably find it
difficult to turn him over. There’s the civil war, in which “the
fighting forces under Osama bin Laden are far more
formidable than those the Talibs can muster at any given
point.” And then there’s a political reality: the Taliban “are
concerned that unless they maintain [bin Laden’s] extremist
stance, they’ll lose the support of extremist Arabs.”
On the other hand, the Taliban are well aware that
Western forces could hold them responsible as accessories,
in effect, and bring devastation to a country that has suffered
nothing but misery for nearly three decades. In short, says
Gouttierre, “If I were a Talib right now, I’d be thinking I’m
between the devil and the deep blue sea. They might be trying
to play for time. The Pakistanis may try to influence them, but
they’re in a quandary, too. There are a lot of people there
who also look to bin Laden.” Still, the best hope for a
resolution appears to involve Pakistan, Gouttierre says. If the
Pakistani military were dispatched to seize bin Laden, they
would at least find it easy to operate in Afghanistan, simply
through greater familiarity with the terrain and greater
experience with local conditions. “They could get into
Afghanistan easily.” And they could probably get out—at
least more easily than the United States could.

END

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 20:31:16 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Interesting Insurance Tidbits re WTC (OT)
Message:
It turns out that only ONE of the WTC buildings was insured. The owner, the Port Authority of New York, believed that the likelihood of both buildings collapsing or otherwise being destroyed was so remote, that it didn't make any sense to insure both. So, the Port Authority will only get about $2 billion of the $4.5 in building values insured. Bummer.

Second is the issue of the President calling this 'an act of war.' By that simple statement, it might invalidate many life insurance policies, and even some property policies with war exclusions, which are very common. Of course, this will probably end up being another chapter in the lawyers' relief act, with those issues litigated for many years, because "war" is not defined in most policies.

Who said it's only the lawyers who profit in these kinds of situations?

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:04:50 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Insured against terrorism
Message:
NEW YORK (CNNfn) - The developer who led the group that purchased the World Trade Center's 99-year lease in July 1999 for $3.2 billion from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, said he is committed to help rebuilding the center, according to a published report Friday.

New York-based Larry Silverstein told the Wall Street Journal, 'It would be the tragedy of tragedies not to rebuild this part of New York.' Silverstein said any rebuilding plans will wait until the grieving process is over. He also said four of his employees remain missing.

Although Silverstein said he is ready to rebuild, he did say he is not committed to creating exact replicas of the towers, acknowledging tenants may be reluctant to relocate in such prominent buildings, according to the paper.

Once all of the missing are accounted for, Silverstein told the newspaper, he will concentrate on the insurance, lease and legal issues resulting from the attack. 'It's going to take huge amounts of time to deal with the magnitude of the paper issues,' he said, adding that the 99-year lease is insured against terrorism.

'The city is not dead and can't be allowed to die,' Silverstein told the Journal. 'We owe [rebuilding] to our children and to our grandchildren.'

Does he mean that that only one tower at a time can be insured against a terrorist attack? Sounds like a strange insurance policy.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 22:36:10 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: He said the LEASE is insured
Message:
Only the lease was insured, which the developer owns. The buildings themselves were only insured for half their value.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:20:42 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: against terrorism - not war?
Message:
Re. insurance and the twin towers.

This article explains why:

(from http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4255794,00.html

Only one of $5bn towers was insured - for $1.5bn

Special report: Terrorism in the US

Patrick Collinson
Guardian

Thursday September 13, 2001

Insurance on the World Trade Centre's twin towers will pay out
for the loss of only one tower because experts believed that the
collapse of both towers simultaneously was too far-fetched to be
worth insuring, it emerged yesterday.

The Port Authority of New York, owners of the towers, are likely
to receive an insurance payout of $1.5bn, far below the
$5bn-plus value put on the towers before their collapse and only
a fraction above their $1.2bn construction cost in the early
1970s.

A spokesman for the US Insurance Information Institute said:
'The possibility of the loss of both structures was seen as so
remote that cover was not taken out on those lines. The $1.5bn
of coverage was purchased on the basis of a probable rather
than a possible maximum loss.'

Estimates of the total cost of the terror attack on the US
yesterday spiralled to $30bn, amid growing fears that Lloyds of
London will be crippled by huge payouts.

The losses dwarf the previous record of $16bn paid out after
Hurricane Andrew in 1992 and will be the biggest insurance
catastrophe in history. Lloyd's is expected to be worst hit
because its aviation syndicates insure around 35% of the world's
planes.

Around 2,800 wealthy private individuals still make up around
30% of the Lloyd's of London market. Despite reforms, many
Lloyd's 'names' still have unlimited liability which will leave them
bankrupt if claims spiral.

Yesterday Lloyd's was unable to identify the underlying scale of
its losses, but promised it will issue early estimates today.

Until the events of this week, insurers regarded a collision of two
planes over a major city as the worst conceivable 'realistic
disaster scenario.' But economist Tim Congdon, of Lombard
Street Research, said: 'Yesterday's tragedy is far worse than
any conceivable 'realistic disaster scenario' considered by
insurance companies. The loss will have a devastating effect on
some US insurance companies ... and Lloyd's will of course
also take a bad hit.'

The third largest underwriter at Lloyd's, Amlin plc, yesterday
postponed the publication of its half-year results in the light of
the tragedy, sparking a 30% slide in its share price. Other
quoted Lloyd's underwriters, including Hiscox and Brit
Insurance, also fell heavily.

Munich Re, the world's biggest reinsurer, was the first to pencil
in figures for the scale of losses. It put its initial estimate of
liabilities at nearly $1bn and said that payouts will severely hurt
profits.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:56:41 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: So will the Reinsurers...
Message:
A long time ago I worked for the Hartford Group in the home office in the Property Division, close to front row excutives.

They didn't insure 'casualty' that was another dept. Our dept. insured against large property, builders insurance, Electronics, and was called the Inland Marine Dept., meaning in a nutshell, on land, not water.

The folks I worked with were directors for the many regional offices who underwrote big properties. It was there that I learned about reinsurance, which in is insurance for the insurer so any major losses were backed up. Insurance for the insurance for the insurance... This week's loss is something no one could have calulated and the reinsurance companies are going to take a bit hit on the losses in NYC too. So many buildings are unstable in the area, so it's going to spiral in terms of dollars.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 00:34:44 (EDT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: The insurance company bailout? (OT)
Message:
Joe,

I hadn't thought of that. I pity the poor families who have lost a relative, and that will be trying to collect on a life insurance policy. It is a blow to lose a husband or wife, father or mother. If they find out that their financial security is also gone it is another blow. But the insurance companies are probably going to be looking for any way they can not to take a major loss here. Bummer.

Francesca

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 04:04:35 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Re: The insurance company bailout? (OT)
Message:
Million dollar life insurances policies are not uncommon for savvy money-makers like many of the workers in WTC.

5,000 multiplied by $1,000,000 is a lot of cabbage. Most life insurances policies are voided by war.

Mr Steinberg of LA who recently leased the WTC for 5 billion dollars may not get his money back either.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 04:37:34 (EDT)
From: Mr. Silverstein, the WTC
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: leaseholder, wants to rebuild...
Message:
Here is the article from MSN.
[ WTC Leaseholder Determined to Rebuild ]
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 02:17:44 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Bush is Saying Yes to $ Requests
Message:
I heard today that $20 billion dollars will be made available by the US gov. to companies which will be affected by the attack.

The money will to to airlines who will otherwise go out of business, businesses which need money to rebuild.

I don't know how I feel about this yet.

Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 18:07:27 (EDT)
From: John Brauns
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Today
Message:
Today I feel sick. Until today I was in shock, probably I still am, but today I feel sick in my stomach with pain for the dead. I couldn't concentrate during my Latvian language lesson.

Someone earlier urged us all to meditate, implying that this would help. I would like to ask this person if he or she has any evidence whatsoever that this is true. It seems to me that all human progress has resulted from people talking with each other. Maharaji has never taught this.

Maharaji is totally irrelevant at a time like this.

John.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 15:29:29 (EDT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: John Brauns
Subject: Love to you, John
Message:
I really appreciated your post. I have written about my feelings elsewhere on the forum, but one of the things that has made me feel better is listening to people from other countries who see this as a human, rather than as an abstract or political issue. Thank you so much for that.

I agree that Maharaji is irrelevant (and note to the premies posting - I didn't say he was bad, just irrelevant.) If people can find comfort through meditation, than I can't fault that - but I cannot.

Life is short - and one thing this has shown me is that part of being human is feeling ALL the feelings of life - even the bad ones.

Anyway, lots of love to you, John - you are a good man.

Katie

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Date: Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 02:55:06 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Thanks everyone
Message:
My feelings changed yesterday afternoon. I found myself feeling OK again. I'm still sad, and definitely worried about the future now that Bush has adopted a casual clothing policy, but something happened yesterday, and I feel I got through something.

But how will Bush fight terrorists? The British government has been fighting terrorism for over 30 years in Northern Ireland and the only progress has been made when they started talking. There the terrorists were confined to a small geographical area and it was still impossible to root them all out. America's enemies are scattered around the planet. How in hell is Bush going to win this war with violence? BTW, both groups of terrorists had something in common - rich financial backers.

John.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 01:16:27 (EDT)
From: SC
Email: None
To: John Brauns
Subject: NOT time for casting stones
Message:
Ok, so you're having a hard time emotionally. Many are at this time.

But to give Maharaji a slap in the face because you can't deal with it....

Well does it make you feel better to lash out like that?

If it does, then you are baking the very same cake that you claim to be abhorring the taste of.

Our personal emotional state is no-one's responsibility but our own. No, meditation won't erase feelings. It completely trancends them. There is only one true feeling. Love, God, Truth, whatever - and we have to find it for ourselves. There is comfort in community, yes, but in the presence of the Almighty we stand alone. Then ALL confusion and pain ceases. Why is that so hard to believe?

Is there some kind of honour in becoming an emotional wreck in the name of truth, love, peace and freedom? That is the ultimate in self centred personal delusion.

It is also the spark which ignited the fire on 11/9/01.

But who benefits from communal fear and shared misery? I don't see anyone or anything.

There are many who would say that, right now, M's message, inspiration and Knowledge have never been more clearly and obviously valuable. If you deny that reality....no hope.

Just another opinion...

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 08:28:23 (EDT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: Whoever you are...
Message:
you fail to understand that we view, with a good deal of legitimacy, Maharaji as the iddy biddy doll-like version of Bin Laden. They are both megalomaniacal cult leaders seeking to expand their sphere of influence by injecting the numbing toxin of messiahnic religion directly into the brains of their followers. Period.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 07:58:09 (EDT)
From: YOYO
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: $%##@@& YOUR stones
Message:
^&%%(*%##@ your logic.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 04:19:38 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: 'Meditation transcends feelings'
Message:
You say 'meditation transcends feelings', this is unhealthy bullshit. Nothing transcends the feelings of a human being. We are our feelings. Your theory about meditation transcending feelings is a tool of dehumanisation that lets you turn your back on reality, lock the door, poke yourself in the eyes and believe everythings OK because Captain Rawat is controlling the universe.

Presumably SC, if the relatives of the victims of the attack could meditate, they would transcend their feelings of grief eh?

Fuck off.

Anth the feeling

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 07:54:58 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Right on AJW
Message:
I was writing about his moronic post and took a break. I read your post: I couldn't have said it better.

Escapism leads to killing the capacity to be human. Premiland is unhealty, unrealistic and irresponsible.

The funny thing is 'they' love the things of the world, they want to live in our societies, using the roads, resources, etc. but have no intention of fitting in, being part of it.

Plug the video bro...

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 04:26:19 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: 'Meditation transcends feelings'
Message:
But is also ''the only true feeling'' according the illustrious theologian, SC. I mean I know what he's trying to say but it really is BS (Belief System.)

You're up early for a Sat am. Once again ships passing in the night. I'm off to bed. Good morning and good night.

It really was day of mourning here today. I feel drained from the tears that have been shed today.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 05:05:39 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Day of mourning here too Pat.
Message:
But is also ''the only true feeling'' according the illustrious theologian, SC. I mean I know what he's trying to say but it really is BS (Belief System.)

You're up early for a Sat am. Once again ships passing in the night. I'm off to bed. Good morning and good night.

It really was day of mourning here today. I feel drained from the tears that have been shed today.


---

It was a day of mourning here too Pat.

It's impossible to watch the TV without crying at the moment.

It will take time, but things will heal. The heroes of the hour are the ordinary men and women, who are risking their lives to search for survivors and clear the devastation.

The mayor of New York seems to have been a real hero in a time of crisis too.

Anth another day and I'm thankful to be alive.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 14:50:13 (EDT)
From: yelnaws
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: Day of mourning here too Pat.
Message:
Hi ajw can u tell me what has gone wrong with Gm, is he the anti christ or what.
If we think of the good days why is this happening.
To me this seems to be what is happening
In the bible it says someone would come and show great signs, and show great wonders, but it would be only to decieve.
Can you offer some advice as to what to do after all the years wasted. and all your hopes and beliefs in human kind smashed.
can you ever believe in anyone again.............y
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 14:59:19 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: yelnaws
Subject: TO Yelnaws....
Message:
You need to read about it. I've posted the link to the Ex-Premie.Org.

Start reading, there is an immense amount of information.

If you do that, you won't have to keep whinning. If you are a troll, piss off. Either way, click the link and read you are starting to become very annoying.

Cynthia
[ Start Here ]

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 16:37:29 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: He's a troll ~) [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 17:35:01 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Hi Deborah...
Message:
My thoughts exactly. How are you? I'm doing fine. Gotta go for now, back later.

Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 18:08:56 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: Hi Cynthia...
Message:
I'm trying to keep it together. Hard to deal with the reality that life is changed. How much and for how long is the only question.

Trying to follow the news. I went to the Grad lounge yesterday where they have a big screen and saw some clips. The same clip of Bush w/arm around fireman kept playing and playing. I wish they would put other material on the air until Bush does something different.

Too bad they don't take the time to educate the public. I know everyone needs the healing and feel goodness, I understand that, but the American people need to understand why it happened as well.

It's so good to come onto the forum, I really felt that I learned a lot in the past few days. Thank goodness the internet is working.

No patience for trolls. I have a hard time with the apparent parallel of the premie Jihad and their little Maha shri bin Laden. Do you think that this has struck home w/him. Do you think that Maha has any remorse for his own cyberstalking & blackmailing, retaliation? Do you the fanatical premies who participated have any remorse for their own religiously inspired Jihad? I wonder. The whole thing sucks. It was one thing when it was just our little premie world, it's clearly another thing, for this to be happening on a global scale w/bombs,etc.

And it hurts everybody. Not just America. A lot of support here in Canada for Americans. Canadians are sporting US flags on their vehicles and being very supportive. Just to let you know.

Bye for now, take care of yourself

Deborah

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 02:23:41 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: And what has Maharaji said...
Message:
...to the premies about this tragedy? Nothing.

I was thinking about this yesterday and checked his website, and the EV site to see if there was one word mentioned about this.

Nothing. No SC, he's no peacemaker or peacegiver. He plain old doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself. He's probably pissed off because he can't fly his Gulfstream V.

And Maharaji should be concerned about HIS responsibilty to the premies who he has brainwashed into believing that are above and beyond the affairs of the 'world.'

No I see this as his new opportunity to gather emotionally weak people into his own demented ''world'' so he can build himself a real big underground shelter in case the nukes start flying....and they might.

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 21:16:26 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: John Brauns
Subject: Thanks for your honesty John
Message:
The feelings and confusion that majority feel now can not be changed by another act of violence. I am frankly terrified of the prospects of global warfare. After stumbling around for a few days, my wife and I hosted a gathering at noon today. We invite friends and neighbors and 10 showed up. We sat in a circle, lit candles and told the truth about how we were feeling. The responses ranged from stark terror to pessimism to optimism to patriotism. It was profoudly powerful and healing to know we are not alone in these confused feelings. Meditation will not erase these feelings. I believe one must confront the feelings and help carry the 'ashes' that has rained down upon us all. After an hour of people sharing experiances, poetry and even a letter from HH Dalai Lama to Pres. Bush, we rang some bells and held hands as we prayed/meditated for a few minutes. Profound and powerful.

Again, community is so powerful and something I had forgotten in this horrendously greedy country I live in. I do not feel guilty about my lifestyle nor do I think we need to bomb a people into the stoneage to maintain our unsustainable way of life.

Thanks again John for telling us the truth about your feelings.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 02:45:58 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Thanks from me also
Message:
Your post is much appreciated (and obviously hit some nerves )
Can't imagine why. The day I start believing that it is wrong or 'unproductive' to grieve is the day I will have been swept up in a cult or gotten the wrong dosage of mind numbing meds :)
Take care.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 09:41:48 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Right On, Selene...
Message:
What you said about grieving is so true. It's the inability of people to allow themselves to feel is what makes this world so horribly devoid of being human.

Many men have a problem with expressing their feelings and women are criticized for having too many. We're out of balance, IMO.

I was relieved to see grown men in NYC weeping. It's as natural as laughing. We are taught in our culture not to express our feelings and that is so off the charts wrong. Crying doesn't diminish men, rather, it makes men more human. I saw a company owner on tv (sorry, so many have been interviewed I can't remember the company, but it's the one that deals with treasury bonds. He lost his company on Tuesday. During that interview all he did was cry. He said all of the survivors of his employees who died will be taken care of. He described how, after being awake all night long, his employees in UK and I think Chicago, will be up and ready to run, so that the stock market can open.

He was grieving. If humans don't express their feelings of grief, which includes many stages: denial, anger, bargaining, acceptance and the deep soulful weeping that comes with the loss of a loved one. There aren't many sounds like grieving for a loved one. As I watched the people lining up to give DNA samples, like hair from their combs, blood from their children, or siblings, they walked down the sidewalks weeping and wailing. That is the true experience of us humans.

Maharaji always DENIED us that.

Thanks again, Selene, you're so smart,
Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 19:52:48 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: John Brauns
Subject: Re: Today
Message:
We just had a candlelight vigil. It was a sharing of the human spirit, as if the warmth of it was in every candle reaching out to every other. I'll take that over isolating yourself, within yourself, by meditating any day. People need to get together in times like this, not alienate themselves from one another.

Unfortunately, after the vigil, the assholes have now taken to the streets, having their say by beeping their horns, lighting off fireworks. As if they really give a shit.

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 18:34:33 (EDT)
From: CD
Email: None
To: John Brauns
Subject: Re: Today
Message:
>It seems to me that all human progress has resulted from people talking with each other.

That is not all there is to it. Talking gets facts, information and hypothesis on the table. Often the greatest synthesis of that information comes during moments of quiet reflection. In fact some people even have specific methods of retiring to silent locations to wait for those special insights to emerge. If you study the literature investigating where great ideas comes from you may be suprised. Oh yeah, sometimes it happens in the shower or on the ...
Also consider the value of moments of silence and inspirational songs which happened today.

Best wishes,
CD

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 20:12:34 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: Re: Today
Message:
CD,
You're a wooden, and unemotional peckerhead.

Talking gets facts, information and hypothesis on the table.

You're not married, right? Because if you were married, your wife would smack your fat little head.

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 20:54:39 (EDT)
From: &nbsp#$%
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: and this is so compassionate
Message:
Want to tell us about your marriage?
How is this post supposed to contribute any value?
Is picking on CD some type of brownie point? Oh would that be
cub scouts?
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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 22:03:56 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To:  #$%
Subject: Re: and this is so compassionate
Message:
You want to know about my marriage but don't want to identify yourself?

How is this post supposed to contribute any value?

Do I really need to explain this? Okay... JHB started this thread objecting to someone's suggestion that meditation would help the upset over the WTC bombings. He pointed out that all human progress has resulted from talking.

CD responded by making the outrageous statement that talking gets facts, information and hypotheses on the table. That may be true in a laboratory or academic setting, but in the context of the murder of 5,000 innocent people, it's absolutely disgusting. It shows the harmful effect of maharaji's teachings which espouse exactly this kind of stupidity.

CD has an enormous layer of dissociation and cult-think keeping him deluded by maharaji, and was desperately begging for someone to tear him a new anus.

And you, whoever you are, are hiding from something by not identifying yourself.

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 20:48:05 (EDT)
From: CD
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Re: Today
Message:
>You're a wooden, and unemotional peckerhead.

Oh Prick,

On second thought, you are an ignorant slut and apparently also an incompetent asshole. Good enough for you?

I cry my own tears when I see the tragedy on the TV.

Don't think I have emotion, think again or until as long as it takes you to figure something out!

CD

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 21:51:03 (EDT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: Re: Today
Message:
I know you have emotion, but you don't express it. Talking with people is a way of feeling warmth, not just formulating theorums.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 17:01:36 (EDT)
From: CD
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Re: Today
Message:
>Talking with people is a way of feeling warmth, not just formulating theorums

Yes, I agree!

CD

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 20:29:44 (EDT)
From: CD
Email: None
To: Rick
Subject: Re: Today
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 18:25:14 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: John Brauns
Subject: Knowledge and Maharaji as "Comfort"
Message:
Me too, John. I've had a hard time concentrating, this week, but I felt a lot better when I found out my friend Julie is okay.

Maharaji and 'knowledge are a means of distracting yourself from things that aren't always pleasant, or at least they can be, and you will hear lots of premies so thankful that knowledge got them through difficult times.

It's comforting to have a belief in something unchanging and eternal. It doesn't matter that it's neither, as long as one believes it is. The problem is that it's merely a distraction, which wouldn't be so bad in and of itself, but it brings with it a whole belief system, which is full of superstitions, narrow-mindedness, and an incredible waste of time.

I know as a premie knowledge never did a thing to protect me from what goes on in my life, but I did at times find the belief system comforting. I would say to myself:

'It's okay that things have gone bad, because the world is an illusion anyway, and can never bring me happiness, just like Maharaji said. He is so right. I'm glad I have the opportunity to go inside and experience the one, eternal, truth that can never be destroyed. And I'm grateful to Maharaji for that.'

Then, when everything was wonderful, I thanked Maharaji for that, too. He is in a win/win situation in cultthink. Any religion, believed in, would do the very same thing.

The mere distraction or comfort provided in times of stress, if that's all it was, wouldn't be so bad. The problem is that it brings with it all kinds of superstition, separation from others and yourself, and is harmful to self-esteem. Plus, if you take it farther and start 'giving' in the form of partitication, money, time, etc., it can be an incredible waste of time, but quite enriching to Maharaji.

Plus, as a premie, I even found the comfort provided extremely fleeting, to the extent it existed at all.

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 21:00:34 (EDT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Knowledge and Maharaji as
Message:
Joe:

It is not so much comfort as numbness, which it turns out is not much of a blessing if feeling doesn't come back pretty soon. The difference between pain relief and paralysis.

--Scott

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 16:49:39 (EDT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: All
Subject: More on FBI and Carnivore
Message:
Folks,

For those who care about your freedoms, this issue is not going away anytime soon. The FBI/Carnivore issue has been bubbling in the background for at least a year or more. At times like this, it's an easy sell.

Francesca

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Text of the Hatch-Feinstein 'Combating Terrorism Act of 2001':
http://www.politechbot.com/docs/cta.091401.html

Muddled debate over the amendment:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/s091301.html

-Declan

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http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46852,00.html

Senate OKs FBI Net Spying
By Declan McCullagh (declan@wired.com)
12:55 p.m. Sep. 14, 2001 PDT

WASHINGTON -- FBI agents soon may be able to spy on Internet users
legally without a court order.

On Thursday evening, two days after the worst terrorist attack in U.S.
history, the Senate approved the 'Combating Terrorism Act of 2001,'
which enhances police wiretap powers and permits monitoring in more
situations.

The measure, proposed by Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and Dianne Feinstein
(D-California), says any U.S. attorney or state attorney general can
order the installation of the FBI's Carnivore surveillance system.
Previously, there were stiffer restrictions on Carnivore and other
Internet surveillance techniques.

Its bipartisan sponsors argue that such laws are necessary to thwart
terrorism. 'It is essential that we give our law enforcement
authorities every possible tool to search out and bring to justice
those individuals who have brought such indiscriminate death into our
backyard,' Hatch said during the debate on the Senate floor.

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 04:29:06 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Government suveillance
Message:
A law has been passed already in the UK, allowing the British government access to mail servers to monitor anybody's emails.

Apparently, to read the email they need a court order, but they can see the titles and who sent them, plus they can find out who you sent your emails to.

They can also force you to hand over any encryption keys for stuff you may have encoded. Failure to hand anything over can result in 2 years in a British prison.

Britain is also the most advanced country in the world for surveillance by camera in public. Most towns and cities have all the main streets and thoroughfares under 24 hour camera surveillance. There are literally thousands of them in every town.

Anth monitored 24 hours a day (but you probably think that's wise don't you?)

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 17:15:49 (EDT)
From: Chuck S.
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: More on Carnivore...
Message:
Here is a link on Carnivore at C-Net.
[ Carnivore ]
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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 18:25:52 (EDT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Chuck S.
Subject: Whoa, nellie!! [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 17:13:12 (EDT)
From: michael donner
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Re: More on FBI and Carnivore
Message:
please everyone, please read the book entitled 'the fourth turning' writtne by two amaerican social scientists. so perfect. as we turn into the next season of winter. a very important read.
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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 18:41:16 (EDT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: michael donner
Subject: Re: More on FBI and Carnivore
Message:
Sounds interesting Mike, I've requested it from my local library. This is a 'predictive' book based on 80-100 cycles in social history.
[ "The Fourth Turning" Amazon reviews ]
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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 22:48:57 (EDT)
From: michael donner
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: More on FBI and Carnivore
Message:
not so much a predictive book rather a readable study of the last 500-600 yrs of anglo american social life seen via cycles of 80 (+) yrs divided into about 20 yrs 4 seasons each with their own feeling and geneerational characteristics...and yes..last chapter speculates re the triggers that will turn the seasons from autumn to winter...due between 2000-2004 according to the authors...as i read that book...and i gave copies ot 20 friends about 3 yrs. ago...it was so good and real and powerful because they hit my life and the story of my generation right on the head...i am 54 now.
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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 19:32:44 (EDT)
From: PatD
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Try this one
Message:
Reflections on a Ravaged Century : Robert Conquest

Can't say I agree with everything he says but enough to think about, especially as we have all been propelled into big picture mode.
[ ]

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 22:50:47 (EDT)
From: michael donner
Email: None
To: PatD
Subject: Re: Try this one
Message:
and a title that just flashed today...'clash of civilizations' by huntington (sp?)...
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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 13:01:44 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: All
Subject: on a different note
Message:
and except for the name, cyber cacas have removed all evidence to their content.

The new cyber cacas

I wonder what register.com will think of them?

[I thought I said I was going]

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 15:33:02 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Also on a different note
Message:
WT attack - the premie connection

Berry Berenson (sister of film star Marissa Berenson a premie at one time) the widow of Tony Perkins was killed in the plane that smashed into the first WT tower. She was returning to LA to see her son, Elvis, a musician do his first big public performance.

Tony died of AIDS 9 years ago on Sept 12th.

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 17:05:47 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: PS Marisa Berenson was in DLM mag
Message:
Soemtime in 75 or 76 she was featured along with other illustrious premies like the inner tennis ball guy in a DLM mag singing the praises of the urug.
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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 13:50:54 (EDT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: weren't they the registrar before?
Message:
But this is someting different?
Hey don't go, ignore that comment about you from
Voyeur (whoever that is). It's simply not true and you have contributed a lot of good things here.
Who doesn't get grumpy here sometimes?
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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 14:54:30 (EDT)
From: salam
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: Yeah, who doesn't.
Message:
As you would have noticed, cyber cacas are a bunch of shit stirers morons that do nothing creative other than clog the Internet with their garbadge. As you may also know, guru Maharaji direct cyber cacas. So to give them something to do he got them to design this shit site.
And as you have mentioned, register.com don't give a shit what they do as long as there are shit heads cacas around. Anyone can call them and ask to be a wholesaler for domain names, in other word, the little short fat ass guru is expanding his horizones, as I predicted a long time ago, he may also be planning a little venture into becoming an isp.
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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 04:20:13 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: salam
Subject: Terror put CAC in proportion
Message:
Two weeks ago I had high blood pressure because of being attacked by CACroaches. Suddenly I don't. Now I've got high blood pressure because of being attacked by other types of roaches. Deadly ones.

I guess that means that my HT is my worst enemy. And I won't have a heart transplant because the only one I trusted to do that died on Tues.

Christiaan Barnard did the first heart transplant ever in the whole world in 1968 in Groote Schuur in South Africa. He died on Tues and was buried in South Africa yesterday.

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 12:52:21 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Strike a light!
Message:
CALL FOR A GLOBAL FESTIVAL FOR SEPTEMBER 17, 2001

(If this message speaks to you, please use the internet and media to distribute it worldwide. This proposal is inspired by the One through the voices of all those who wish to stand behind it.)
:
There is a calendar encoded in stone within the Great Pyramid of Giza, which has accurately predicted significant historical events, including the birth of Jesus Christ, and the global wars of this century. This began in 3999 BC, and ends on September 17, 2001. According to this calendar there are three things we might expect at this time of ending. It is a time for a shift in earth's relationship with the sun. It is time to complete and balance planetary karmic cycles. And it is time for a global spiritual initiation. (see Moira Timms, Beyond Prophecies and Predictions)

From http://www.netspace.net.au/~newdawn/40b.htm

'When the master Jesus spoke of forgiving your enemy he spoke not of condoning their actions but of recognizing that you and he both were shadow and light together, and that forgiveness provided you both an opportunity to practice a divine alchemy, unifying both shadow and light in the experience of Oneness. He also counselled us to 'love your neighbour as yourself'.

The test for awakened humanity is this. Can you extend the hand of forgiveness and love in this expanded sense to your brothers and sisters in ignorance and darkness, a forgiveness that arises from compassion, a forgiveness that embraces your neighbour, yourself, the dark lords, the power mongers, the satanic forces, the military mind, the secret governments, the illuminate, the 'reptilians', 'greys', 'anarchy', or whatever your own version of the 'enemy' happens to be?'

More at http://www.greatdreams.com/Shift_2001.htm

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 13:27:33 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Have a banana
Message:
Nobody has ever predicted a world event. Sorry, I'm wrong. It was predicted that the world would end in 1999. I should say that nobody has ever made an accurate prediction of any world event.

I remember too that America got the world all heated up about the Y2K bug. Anyway, I will make one prediction - Terrorism is the new war of the twenty first century. It's here to stay, for a long time.

Now that nation versus nation wars are obsolete and known to be counterproductive, things have evolved into a new and frightening scenario. War will now be a hidden, secret and surprising thing. We won't know where it will strike next and it will be very hard to fight back against it.

International terrorism. This is the new war. Welcome to the twenty first century.
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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 15:41:28 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Is this the exploding type of banana?
Message:
Good to see you flouting your recent self-imposed silence, Dave.
Dialogue will always be essential in working conflicts out, as and when appropriate. Don't you think?

No one has ever made an accurate prediction of a world event you say? I hope that stands us all in good stead, considering the plethora of ominous predictions that abound these days. But nonetheless, some human traits are decidedly predictable.

And as for the Y2K bug? Well, it was predicted, and had it not been for the sizeable sums spent addressing that problem, there WOULD have been considerable repercussions. If you don't believe me, ask my brother. He's been employed in the computer industry since the late 1960's, and was one of the many personnel employed to address the Y2K problem. If it hadn't been predicted, there would have been one hell of a mess to sort out 18 months ago.

Talking of predictions, it's a pity that the last Tuesday's consequences of the US and UK's bombing of Iraq (presuming that to be the primary cause of the terrorists' attack) couldn't have been predicted. Why wasn't it? Some might say that it was inevitable.

Attempting to predict the future (however inaccurately) is part of big business these days, Dave, and trying to pre-empt one's enemies' moves has always been part and parcel of military strategy since the days of Troy. Pooh-poohing all predictions because of the failure of some of them won't prevent people from doing it, especially when it's their future at stake. And if they truly care about the future of their society, they'll want their predictions to be believable and accurate. No doubt Cassandra would attest to that.

As for the link I posted above, well, I've no particular axe to grind about the Great Pyramid prophecy. Just a timely reminder, I think, that though these kind of prophecies have been public for many years, we'll be all the wiser knowing that, come Tuesday 18 September, we'll be in a better position to judge the validity (or lack of it) of such prophecies.

For all we know, the perpetrators of the recent appaling atrocities in America have also known about these predictions, and could easily have used them in furthering their own agendas.

Time will tell.

Hope to talk to you again - after next Monday too!

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 16:09:35 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: An end to all shirts
Message:
On the web site you linked to it said, ''Charles Berlitz in his best-selling 1981 book Doomsday 1999 AD wrote that studies of the Great Pyramid show that September 17, 2001 is a terminal date for the world.''

Oh well, no need to buy a new shirt then.

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 16:36:34 (EDT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: But don't forget the toilet paper :) (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 14:03:18 (EDT)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Privacies further reduced, intelligence gathering
Message:
and processing stepped up by several orders of magnitude, and all the stealth and eavesdropping and mastermind cyberwarfare you could shake a stick at, too, I'll bet.

The new currency will be secret information, and a new class system will evolve based on the acquiring and selective tranmission of critical information. Actually, it's happenening now.

Certain science fiction ain't fiction no mo'.

Like the guy said, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean people aren't really out to get you!

God, I hope I'm joking.

Carl

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 16:13:05 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Carl
Subject: Looks like I blew it
Message:
Oh shit. And I gave up my esteemed posotion of webmaster here. I could have been one of the upper classes.
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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 18:33:56 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Hi SD!
Message:
Nice to 'see' you.

I hope all is okay in your life.

love,

silvia

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 23:07:39 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: Thanks & some important info
Message:
Surviving, thanks Silvia. Here's the results of an important poll that I saw on the Sky News web site:

Question: Is Tony Blair a smarmy git?

Yes - 65.47%

No - 34.52%

I dunno if you know what a smarmy git is in the US but Blair's one.
[ Sky News ]

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Date: Sat, Sep 15, 2001 at 07:23:57 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: I don't know
Message:
I couldn't find the poll but by checking the definition of 'smarmy git' in the dictionary I agree totally. Blair is one: He is fake as a wooden teeth, as most politician he goes as the wind blows.

We PEOPLE are governed by idiots, so are the results. Always danger at the door... Are we doomed to destroy ourselves???

I envy jungle people's simplicity.

About you surviving, same here, in peace though, finally. M's ghost is fading as you guys, girls told me it would.

I wish you good SD and I'm glad you are posting. CACa was/is nothing....

silvia

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Date: Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 12:23:15 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Candle Lighting-Please Participate...
Message:
My sister emailed this to me this morning, she received it from the Director of The Connecticut Commission of the Arts, for which my sister works as an artist and teacher for people of all walks of life. I'm putting politics aside today to send condolences from my heart to the victims and to all of us all who have witnessed this tragedy.

Subject: RE: Candle Lighting-Please participate

Friday Night at 7:00 p.m. step out your door, stop your car, or step out of your establishment and light a candle. We will show the world that Americans are strong and united together against terrorism. Please pass this to everyone on your e-mail list. We need to reach everyone across the
United States quickly.

The message: WE STAND UNITED - WE WILL NOT TOLERATE TERRORISM.

We need press to cover this-- we need the world to see.

I won't be posting today...I need to be silent in my prayers and thoughts.

I am adding that I feel this gesture includes and requests all people from around the world partaicipate

Love and peace to all,
Cynthia

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