Ex-Premie Forum 7 Archive
From: Oct 31, 2001 To: Nov 07, 2001 Page: 4 of: 5


Pat:C) -:- Report from LG for the personae non grata -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 19:48:29 (EST)
__ Pat:C) -:- Re: ReportMore for the personae non grata -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 15:39:43 (EST)
__ __ Pat:C) -:- And more for the personae non grata -:- Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 03:47:34 (EST)
__ Katie -:- 'Us' versus 'Them' thinking -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 10:05:14 (EST)
__ __ Deborah -:- Re: 'Us' versus 'Them' thinking -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 16:13:03 (EST)
__ __ __ Katie -:- Some people think *I* am an asshole, Deb -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 17:25:03 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: Some exes think *I* am an asshole, Deb -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 18:22:27 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Deborah is -:- loving & articulate -:- Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 00:47:16 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- The above Deborah post is SC again.... -:- Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 20:32:00 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SC -:- IT IS NOT you loathsome..... -:- Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 03:00:07 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Aren't you a charming man -:- Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 17:15:46 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- loving & articulate Deborah -:- Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 03:20:39 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ SC -:- You are a liar Deborah Rose -:- Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 04:29:10 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- In all fairness, SC -:- Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 08:37:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SC -:- No not OK at all Katie -:- Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:16:01 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Re: No not OK at all Katie -:- Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 18:08:50 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SC -:- You gat it Katie! -:- Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:25:45 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ JHB -:- This makes no sense -:- Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 14:29:43 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SC -:- You don't remember right John -:- Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:34:51 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- I honestly said I hate you, Weasel, and Maha -:- Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 16:18:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Anais Nin -:- and you, David? -:- Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 07:51:52 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Yes, SC, we all have more pressing business.... -:- Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 04:55:20 (EST)
__ __ Pat:C) -:- I should not repost stuff from LG? -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 14:17:31 (EST)
__ __ __ Katie -:- It's just because they're so #$%&@ obnoxious! -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 17:21:13 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- I love it when you talk dirty, Katie -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 20:03:44 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- I still don't get it -:- Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 08:21:58 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Okay, I apologise -:- Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 14:16:05 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Thanks, Pat -:- Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 08:31:12 (EST)
__ Francesca ~) -:- BAN SC AND CW!!! -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 00:59:36 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Re: BAN SC AND CW!!! -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 11:11:20 (EST)
__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- But, Cynthia... -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 13:55:16 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Yes Pat....()) -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 14:14:01 (EST)
__ __ SC -:- Pull yourself together woman -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 01:30:26 (EST)
__ __ __ JohnT -:- SC is all in pieces -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 03:17:03 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: SC is all in pieces -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 16:09:26 (EST)
__ __ __ __ SC -:- 14 - 7 - No -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 08:59:04 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- David squirms -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 11:32:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ SC -:- Are you blind as well as stupid? -:- Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 04:10:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- Talk straight you deceitful person -:- Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 08:33:01 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SC -:- No Problemo -:- Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 10:31:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! [nt] -:- Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 04:36:36 (EST)
__ __ __ Francesca -:- There is no hate involved -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 01:58:14 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: There is no hate involved -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 02:28:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ GGG -:- One tries, but fails . . . -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 05:45:39 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- GGG = Go Girl Go -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 15:42:21 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ GGG -:- Nasty men will not survive. . . -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 16:30:53 (EST)
__ __ Vicki -:- Re: BAN SC AND CW!!! -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 01:13:10 (EST)
__ Vicki -:- Re: Report from LG for the personae non grata -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 00:37:14 (EST)
__ Zelda -:- the sickness of it !!! -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 20:04:03 (EST)
__ __ CW -:- Re: the sickness of it !!! -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 21:29:52 (EST)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- I have to say it !!! -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 11:21:56 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim -:- CW and SC -- a coupla' wild and crazies -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 23:53:00 (EST)
__ __ Deborah -:- You said it Zeld [nt] -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 20:29:37 (EST)
__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Zelda, Vicki, Deb, Fran -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 03:48:10 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: Zelda, Vicki, Deb, Fran -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 15:59:42 (EST)
__ __ __ __ SC -:- Here you go again Pat (sigh) -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 09:19:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- Very droll, Dave -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 11:21:03 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Make things worse for cult -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 13:40:22 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ SC -:- Pat wants answers!! -:- Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 05:01:40 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Thanks, David -:- Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 05:06:49 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ SC -:- No no -:- Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 10:52:25 (EST)

Jim -:- No, this isn't a cult (part 536) (JHB?) -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 18:02:09 (EST)

Jim -:- What snobs! -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 17:11:13 (EST)
__ Dear Jim -:- Re: What snobs! -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 18:00:05 (EST)
__ __ Nigel -:- Re: What snobs! -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 19:38:12 (EST)

Jim -:- Thanks,JHB, for updating the 'Best of'e -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 16:54:05 (EST)
__ JHB -:- Yeah..... -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 19:37:26 (EST)

Jim -:- Oh no! Go back, sis, go back! -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 14:48:07 (EST)
__ Nigel -:- Actually it hardly matters.. -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 17:35:48 (EST)
__ gerry -:- I vote ringer [nt] -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 15:30:05 (EST)

AJW -:- My Life as a Rotting Vegetable. -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 05:57:19 (EST)
__ Vicki -:- Re: My Life as a Rotting Vegetable. -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 01:00:28 (EST)
__ __ gerry -:- Very trippy, Vicky, te he [nt] -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 21:44:45 (EST)
__ SC -:- Too complicated Anth -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 00:23:01 (EST)
__ __ AJW -:- A question SC. -:- Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:54:43 (EST)
__ __ JohnT -:- Really simple, SC -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 04:16:38 (EST)
__ Gregg -:- Rotting Vegetable? COMPOST!! -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 22:21:43 (EST)
__ Jimola -:- Re: My Life as a Rotting Vegetable. -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 16:43:02 (EST)
__ __ AJWia -:- Jimola, is this a U-turn? -:- Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:58:31 (EST)
__ __ magiclara -:- Jimola -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 18:32:27 (EST)
__ Pat:C) -:- Life as a Rotting Tropical Fruit -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 15:29:22 (EST)
__ __ AJW -:- Yes Pat. -:- Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:48:04 (EST)
__ magiclara -:- Re: My Life as a Rotting Vegetable. -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 12:00:15 (EST)
__ Disculta -:- Hee hee, and er... -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 11:44:07 (EST)
__ Suedoula -:- Re: My Life as a Rotting Vegetable. -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 10:30:33 (EST)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Me rotting frog busy updating BOF -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:29:53 (EST)
__ __ AJW -:- Merci beaucoup monsier. (pdt) -:- Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 16:16:35 (EST)
__ loaf -:- Re: My Life as a Rotting Vegetable. -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:21:54 (EST)
__ __ AJW -:- All Roads lead to the Chip Shop.. -:- Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:43:48 (EST)
__ __ GGG -:- Re: My Life as a Rotting Vegetable. -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 13:04:36 (EST)
__ __ __ Loaf -:- ..erm hello ? [nt] -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 11:34:18 (EST)
__ __ Loaf -:- PS about the pics... -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:30:34 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim -:- And to think you almost got to be an FA! -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 16:45:52 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim -:- And to think you almost got to be an FA! -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 16:45:51 (EST)
__ __ __ magiclara -:- Hi Loaf -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 08:13:37 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Loaf -:- oooh.. it doesnt ?? [nt] -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 08:50:28 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ magiclara -:- Re: oooh.. it doesnt ?? -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 10:46:36 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Loaf -:- I meant oooh my email doesnt work ?! OT [nt] -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 11:28:33 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ magiclara -:- Gotyer mail thanks. Have replied NT -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 13:36:57 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ magiclara -:- Re: I meant oooh my email doesnt work ?! OT -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 11:56:01 (EST)

JHB -:- I've finally made it -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 17:15:16 (EST)
__ Roger eDrek & barney -:- JHB: The few and the proud and -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 00:22:14 (EST)
__ Deputy Dog -:- Sorry guv, were right out of parrots [nt] -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 21:01:57 (EST)
__ such -:- uh, you hafta take a number -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 20:01:01 (EST)
__ Selene -:- congrats JHB nt -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 19:07:21 (EST)
__ Nigel -:- You forgot to say (OT)! -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 18:25:47 (EST)
__ Katie -:- John, you Latvian recluse! -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 17:49:07 (EST)
__ __ JHB -:- Stop libelling me! -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 18:04:07 (EST)
__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- JHB the librarian -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 19:37:10 (EST)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- LOL (nt) -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:09:11 (EST)
__ __ __ __ CW -:- Re: JHB the librarian -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 04:22:10 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Cat, did you check with your monitor. -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:15:05 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Blind Melon Catweasel -:- Dont lay no boogie Woogie -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 09:14:39 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Do I have this right, Cat? -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 16:23:19 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Re: Do I have this right, Cat? -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 17:11:07 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Oh you're so funny! -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 17:16:42 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Reprise -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 17:43:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Re: Reprise -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 19:54:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Long John Baldry -:- Re: Dont lay no boogie Woogie -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 16:22:10 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Re: Dont lay no boogie Woogie -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 17:13:50 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ king of rot 'n' troll -:- Re: Dont lay no boogie Woogie -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 22:31:20 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Yes, and it made me angry -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 19:50:16 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Thanks Pat -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 19:41:44 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Katie and Deb -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 20:04:33 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Re: Katie and Deb -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 04:19:13 (EST)
__ __ __ Katie -:- Hey - stop there! -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 18:24:48 (EST)
__ Stonor -:- Re: I've finally made it -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 17:48:03 (EST)
__ __ JohnT -:- Thanks, Stonor -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 02:53:00 (EST)
__ __ __ Stonor -:- Thanks, JohnT -:- Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 17:48:59 (EST)
__ __ JHB -:- You deserve one as well [nt] -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 18:00:42 (EST)
__ __ __ Stonor -:- You're doing a great job, John ... -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 21:19:52 (EST)
__ __ Katie -:- You get the 'non-anything' certificate :) -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 17:50:33 (EST)
__ __ __ Stonor -:- Thanks Katie, but ... -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 21:22:14 (EST)
__ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: You get the 'non-anything' certificate :) -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 19:19:02 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Stonor -:- I still can't 'see' any Barry's stuff ... -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 21:30:25 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: I still can't 'see' any Barry's stuff ... -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 21:42:21 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Stonor -:- Yes, fascinating, isn't it? -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 21:55:50 (EST)

Jean-Michel -:- Best of Forum section updated -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 13:23:08 (EST)
__ **** -:- Jeanan-michel -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 16:08:41 (EST)
__ __ AJW -:- Am I missing something here? -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:07:39 (EST)
__ Jim -:- Re: Best of Forum section updated -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 13:29:39 (EST)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- That's lats fat's last -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 15:36:48 (EST)
__ __ JHB -:- Credit to J-M not me/Lats Drip -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 14:48:41 (EST)
__ __ hamzen -:- You've obviously never had any latvian beer (nt) -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 14:09:14 (EST)
__ __ __ AJW -:- He has and you were there. -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:01:15 (EST)
__ __ __ __ hamzen -:- Err anth I was speaking to jim -:- Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:12:57 (EST)
__ __ __ such -:- Kabeer drunk to last drip; case of Rumitism [nt] -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 15:31:09 (EST)

Jim -:- The LAST Throwup topic on PCT -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 12:06:09 (EST)
__ Pat:C) -:- Beautiful satsang, Jim -:- Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 13:53:22 (EST)


Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 19:48:29 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Report from LG for the personae non grata
Message:
BTW, CD has finally changed the name of LG to Life is Great.

Over on LIG, SC reposted the Mitch Ditkoff story of the dirty joke and then added:

''...no Jim heller, there's no smartarse rejoinder to your absurd suggestion that this article implies Mitch is 'stuck' in a belief system. Anyone, and I mean anyone, with half a brain can see it proves exactly the opposite.''

Bjorne then oohs and aahs over SC's post (Brian Smith gets into an argument with him - nice one Brian - you'll probably be the next CAC victim) before asking SC:

''I notice sometimes people at F7 discuss me or what I have posted. (Makes me feel a bit important). If anyone is so wasting their time anyway to read the stuff at F7 (where I luckily have been denied access), could they inform me about what is happening?

Bjørn the curious and paranoid.''

SC replies:

''Actually I was thinking of doing it anyway but CD doesn't like crossover posts and I respect that. I'll see what I can find and post it to you FC. Don't hold you breath for anything worthwhile, interesting or relevant though. All they seem to do is try and paint you as this sick weirdo (talk about self projection) so believe me brother, you are much better off being banned and forgetting all about them! I guarantee I'll be banned shortly.

''In the meantime you'll be delighted to hear that Catweasel and I have been taking a lot of hits for you and youknowho which of course, is why we are there. Mostly it's the same old barbs about cultweasels and not facing the Jagdeo issue squarly, Insulting innocent victims and their wolverines etc etc.

''I agree, of the consistent forum chatters, Jim is the most interesting and eloquent, but yes, he slips occasionally into a very odd space where he throws absurd little emotional fits into the air hoping we'll grab them and get all huffy and puffy like they get.
I don't think that they remember what it's like to be able to COMPLETLY get away from all the mental emotional mess and dive into a sweet pool of clarity and bliss - on a daily basis.

''Sadly, they think the words 'clarity and bliss' are just nice little ideas and fantasies. I guess for some, that's all they ever were.

''Oh well, we must try to love - but don't ever forget the big stick!

''stay well B
SC

''SC - struggling from wounds on the frontline but carrying valiantly on with the fight and hoping for a nice shiny medal at the end of it all.''

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 15:39:43 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: ReportMore for the personae non grata
Message:
Bjorn says: ''It is my opservation that nothing irritates exes more than when someone says something that is nice. IMO it looks like there is a fear that after all, they made the wrong direction in their lives.''

SC responds: ''That is my experience exactly. It's no good sharing honest heartfelt stuff with a distrustful cynical mind. It's a Mirror.

''One of the reasons Cat and SC are so effective behind enemy lines is that we are successful in installing the notion that they have indeed walked out on the party of a lifetime, their lifetime.''

Once again it talks about itself in the third person. Is that a sign of dissociative disorder?

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Date: Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 03:47:34 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: And more for the personae non grata
Message:
SC says: ''Yes you're right bjorn, they have put themsleves in a very risky situation regarding content of messages. That is very good though because there are three international law enforcement agencies watching them on a fairly regular basis. One false move mis-step or extravagant mouthing off by one of the unstable ones - and they're done like a dinner.

''Isn't it utterly hilarious though that for so long they criticised any kind of pwk fundraising to support events and here they are asking for 'donations' to keep the ship afloat that basically costs bugger all. I mean....!!!

''Mili's right though, it's endgame for me there too - not interested.''

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 10:05:14 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: 'Us' versus 'Them' thinking
Message:
I dislike generalizations very much, so this post raises my hackles. I much prefer the post Isabella once made on Life's Great, which went something like 'there are assholes on both sides and there are good people on both sides.' Far closer to the truth, IMHO.

It's interesting that a few premies seem to NEED to believe that ALL ex-premies are full of hate, wasting their lives, and unhappy - Anthony's post below was a funny example of this. The nicest thing these certain premies seem to be able to say about an ex-premie is 'they are confused.'

BTW, Pat, I hope you don't take offense, but I'm not sure it's productive to bring these posts over there - they seem to belong on 'Life Is Great', CD's intention for that forum notwithstanding.

Katie the confused :( :)

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 16:13:03 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Re: 'Us' versus 'Them' thinking
Message:
Katie,

posts go back and forth all the time. This is not a good thread to bringing up new could haves or should haves.

What good does it do here to mention the good and bad folks here too thing. I think your comment was inappropriate.

Email about this post if you want, I'm not trying to start a fight.

But I don't understand your comments.

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 17:25:03 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Some people think *I* am an asshole, Deb
Message:
And that is all I meant. Sorry if I didn't appear to be a 'team player!' The point is that we aren't all supposed to "love" each other - thank god. I don't think all ex-premies are wonderful, and that all premies are horrible. Certain premies who think the reverse have been demonstrating that on LG - and I don't like that kind of black and white thinking - on either side
Take care,
Katie
( the asshole - snicker)
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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 18:22:27 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Re: Some exes think *I* am an asshole, Deb
Message:
Hi Katie,

I don't everything is Black and White either. But this is a forum for exes and Roupell's gag control tactics are not welcome here.

Getting banned at LG was the best thing that happened to me. I don't belong there. I don't want to convert premies who are adamant about kissing LARD's feet. It was just a pattern that was going on here at the time.

This is not about hating premies, I don't hate premies. I hate MAHA. But I do hate Roupell and the slimy weasel, whether or not that is Roupell's alter ego or not. Bjorn doesnt't belong here, either. They are only here to cause dissention and then point their finger at it as if it is generated from us.

Nobody with a functional brain can see that we hateful. We may argue with each other but there is no little if no hate amongst us. We are thinking people with valid thoughts and those thoughts conflict sometimes.

This thread is about the validity of Roupell and Catweasel. They are causing the heated and inflamatory posts.

The exes don't get me inflamed, I don't get ruffled by personality differences.

p.s. I don't think you're an asshole, if that's any consolation.

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Date: Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 00:47:16 (EST)
From: Deborah is
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: loving & articulate
Message:
Deborah says here, 'This is not about hating premies, I don't hate premies.'
I suppose that would explain this quote, which was sent to a group of premies:
'You guys are not in control of yourselves. You don't even have
selves. You don't have brains. YOu don't have guts. You have no
confidence. You don't have patience. You OBVIOUSLY have NO Bliss.
You don't INNER PEACE. You don't have a Clue, period. You don't have ANYTHING.'

Deborah is tolerant of other ethnic persuasions: To Carlos...
'You come off very unsophisticated. Do you pack groceries for Safeway. Illegal alien? Perhaps just a busboy at local restaurant? Is that your YOB?'

Deborah plays well with the other exes. 'The exes don't get me inflamed, I don't get ruffled by personality differences. '
That would explain these verbatim quotes:
'I am sick of you pussies affriad to fight these Rawat rats. You're
all a bunch of dickless wimps. They ruined your lifes. Idiots! Am I
the only one strong enough to fight them?

FUCK OFF ALL OF YOU'

on another occasion, demonstrating her harmony with the domain of doubt, she said, rather poetically:
'Where the fuck do you come off with that attitude.
You can't control Jim, you can't control his behaviour. Oh you mean the behaviour of insulting you on a fuckin cyber cultbashing forum.

Fuck you shitheads, how fuckin selfish of your ego!!!!!!!
You compare Jim who STARTED THIS FORUM WITHOUT YOU AND YOUR PATHETIC GUILE-LESS PENIS-DEFLATED help. He did this without you, what fuckin part of that don't you understand. Did you guys get hold of some bad charnarnamrit? Get a clue. Where are you. come on...it's spelled:
E-X-(underscore)P-R-E-M-I-E.org. WHAT DOES THAT SPELL?'

Of course with Deb, it's not about hate. That would explain her message to the former webmaster of the ex-premies:
'Has your penis grown back! YOU had no right (well, actually you did have a right and a very little penis shrinking incentive) to send that
email condemming one of our own while the fuckin Glasser dickless wannabe attorney hides behind his rimmend glasses holding his dick in his hand while getting you to turn the house onto itself.'

Nah, Deb doesn't hate anyone other than, 'I hate MAHA'
Of course, that's not based on anything that actually happened between her and Maharaji or anything he said to her. Of course not. She'll tell you her experiences were good and lots of fun. She read Dettmers and that was it for her. Well, we all know how much Michael Dettmers has inspired and nourished us over the years and we remember how anxiously we awaited for his mellifluous words of wisdom. Anyone that crucial in our lives must be worth throwing lots of other stuff out for. Never mind that he totally changed his tune. He did it with a calm, factual voice (both times) and that must mean something. You can bet that he's telling you the whole story, too!

Deborah chose wisely. And she hates no one. Oh, except.......

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Date: Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 20:32:00 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Deborah is
Subject: The above Deborah post is SC again....
Message:
What a loser. you are NOT part of the 'US' here, capiche? YOU never were. You have been a multi-alias abusive intruder trying endlessly to discredit 'US'.

You are just trying, embarassingly on your part, to reinvent yourself. Everyone knows your game.

And you didn't display the continous posts where I said THESE PEOPLE HERE are not the premies I knew. MY comment to premies were based on the multiple sick and whacko personalities you acquired in which YOU, and it gets sicker here folks, cowardly responded to each other.

Fuckin sick shit brother. You had SC/MK carrying on a whole thread. And it was you confirming and supporting your sick commentary to your fuckin self. You are a sick FUCK. OKAY Roupell.

And did you conveniently forget to mention that my post to CArlos was based on Catweasels post to Carlos and his threat about bludgeoning Jim a baseball bat. Forget that one, Rouplell?
When Carlos explained it was Catweasel's doing and not his, and I had a chance to see that he was sincere, we never fought again.

You should KNOW better than to play this game with me.

Furthermore, I have received emails from lurkers who are PREMIES. They were and will always be my friends.

You are a wicked representation of a premie.

You trashed every post that an ex-premie posted by screaming like an incoherent lunatic just to get a rise out of them. Now, you include yourself with the 'us' of this forum.

YOUR REVISIONISM DOESN'T WORK. WE'RE NOT STUPID NOR ARE WE GOING TO LET YOU GET AWAY WITH YOUR GAME.

Sorry to disappoint your audience, you narcissitic fool. And everyone women on this forum has expressed disgust for your brutal mysogony and vicious comments to a women raped as a child by JAGDEO.

SHAME on fuckin You

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Date: Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 03:00:07 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: IT IS NOT you loathsome.....
Message:
Ask gerry you stupid aggressive falsely accusing liar woman

But hey, IF I had kept your posts instead of putting them where they belong then...?

But look lady (ahem) you left such a swath of filth that many people would have kept a file on you. I had one but recently deleted it cos I'm leaving the internet forums. So I would unhumbly suggest you STOP trying to deny the fact that you are the chatroom's number one poster of DESPICABLE VILE INSULTING MADNESS and fucking wake up to yourself.

You bug me again and I'll make a phone call, get your file and then we'll see how nasty little cerise was compared with little sweetie Deborah Rose.

How do you beat the men off gorgeous?

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Date: Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 17:15:46 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: Aren't you a charming man
Message:
May your daughters and female descendants all be blessed with men like you in their life.

What type of shit is this?

You bug me again and I'll make a phone call, get your file and then we'll see how nasty little
cerise was compared with little sweetie Deborah Rose.

You obviously take too much drugs. Your delirium is getting out of hand. My file? One phone call?

You're a sicko, plain and simple.

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Date: Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 03:20:39 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Deborah is
Subject: loving & articulate Deborah
Message:
Yes, SC, isn't she great. Pity you haven't got sense of humor or a passionate sense of truth and honesty and haven't got the balls to post under your real name.
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Date: Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 04:29:10 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: You are a liar Deborah Rose
Message:
Would you like to see some examples of your vile hate filled posts of a few months ago? Would you like to see the posts exes (yes, including Katie) sent to you telling you to shut the fuck up?

Yes?

No?

Proud that you hate me and Cat because we are not afraid to throw your hate filled lying twisted vomit right back into your face. The posters on this forum who pretend you have not been the most rabid lunatic poster on either forum...well Deborah Rose, they are kidding you for your own protection. Sorry lass but that's how it is. You seem to forget that you fruit loops aren't the only one to save posts.

Capiche yet?

Anyway loveguts, I'm gone, you can breath again.
...no more SC to challenge profound wisdom like this..

... 'Nobody with a functional brain can see that we hateful.'

'We are thinking people with valid thoughts and those thoughts conflict sometimes. '

'The exes don't get me inflamed, I don't get ruffled by personality differences.'

Oh god it's deep deep stuff you got going here gal

Anyway I think you may have some more pressing business to attend to?

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Date: Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 08:37:59 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: In all fairness, SC
Message:
Deborah did apologize for many of her more inflamed posts - including the one to Carlos - OK?

BTW, you are telegraphing your involvement with the latest CAC-like web site like crazy - including your crack about John Brauns' private life the other day. Is this deliberate?

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Date: Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:16:01 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: No not OK at all Katie
Message:
But....Thanks to the person who posted the ' Deborah is loving and articulate' message above I do not have to discuss that awful woman anymore.
Whoever you are - cool as.

No Katie I am not telegraphing my involvement with any CAC-like website like crazy. I told bjorn on LG that the sites were up. So? Where do you go fishing for this crap? Tomorrow I'll be seen saying I'm playing lead guitar on Michael Jackson's new song.
Yea, I wish.
The crack about Brauns was based on a picture someone posted of the (Now extinct?) Latvian club and has nothing to do with CAC. It was a rude, untimely and totally unnecessary comment. I think the moon must have been in cerise that night.
I wised up after seeing a pic of a gross couple in a pub (on one of those cac profiles) and realised that JHB is one of the lookers of the club.
Sorry for the mistake John!

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Date: Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 18:08:50 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: Re: No not OK at all Katie
Message:
Umm - I guess if the moon is in Cerise, don't bother writing back (I don't deal well with 15-year-old girls with a major Electra complex.)

But - since you said the nasty things about John just before the CAC list came out, and since you asked Deborah if she had more PRESSING matters to attend to - can't you see how that makes you look complicit?

But maybe you just want to look like you know more than you do?

Katie
the bitch

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Date: Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:25:45 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: You gat it Katie!
Message:
Being a writer of some merit I have developed certain proclivities, and yes, you're right, one of them is to APPEAR to know much more than I in fact do. I also create the impression that I am doing much more than I in fact am. Indeed, I just wrote to Jimbo and gave the subtle impression that I have some sort of power over him (yea right!)
Any outside observer might indeed assume I have connections with the CIA ,IPG. EV or some other such organisation. As it is I'm just a naughty musician/writer who uses the computer as a break from a recording console and vica versa.

No harm intended and indeed, no harm done.

Except of course, to overgrown egos and psychologically disturbed nutcases!

When I passed on your insult to cerise she replied...

:)

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Date: Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 14:29:43 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: This makes no sense
Message:
If I remember right, you said you knew three things about me. I replied giving you far more info than you knew. Now what is it you knew about me when you made that comment? And what does 'lookers' mean in your post, and who were you calling 'gross'?

John.

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Date: Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 02:34:51 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: You don't remember right John
Message:
so start again.

and you'll have to take my post as is, or move on

sorry it didn't come with translation into Latvian

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Date: Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 16:18:47 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: I honestly said I hate you, Weasel, and Maha
Message:
Hardly counts. And Katie are like this (my fingers are crossed).

Katie and I communicate frequently via email. And my flames were to premies and MAHASHITFORFUCKINGBRAINS. So, doesn't count. Don't matter to the exes, really doesn't. TRY HARDER -- You suck at debunking.

So, where's the lies. Silly billy.

Sorry bud, any and ALL misunderstandings have been resolved.

Okay???????????????????

Take your pet weasel and go home. Bye bye,

Don't let the cyber door hit you on the way out.

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Date: Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 07:51:52 (EST)
From: Anais Nin
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: and you, David?
Message:
I suppose you do not consider yourself a liar, despite your nasty multiple deceits?

Your most despicable stunts have not been just the savage attacks on women recovering from the abuses inflicted by Your Master's Cult. No, it is the way that you exploited people's kindness towards the vulnerable. In public and in private you have posed as vulnerable women to spread your poison. That is too low, David, too low. I doubt you will ever find your way back to a normal self-respect and authenticity.

You lack the credibility and consistency to be considered a liar. Is a work of fiction a lie, does a babbling brook know anything of truth?

Goodbye, and Good Luck with reclaiming your self from the leaching clutches of the parasitical Rawat.

Anais Nin
- never a premie

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Date: Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 04:55:20 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: Yes, SC, we all have more pressing business....
Message:
....to attend to - ironing that smirk right off your face.
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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 14:17:31 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: I should not repost stuff from LG?
Message:
You said: ''BTW, Pat, I hope you don't take offense, but I'm not sure it's productive to bring these posts over there - they seem to belong on 'Life Is Great', CD's intention for that forum notwithstanding.

Katie the confused.''

Dear Katie, I hope you do take offense at what I am saying. Please don't give me any advice. I don't trust or respect it as you know. The only confusion you have is that you are not being one-faced. I bring posts from LG over to F7 because two exes (who are definitely not two-faced) cannot read them. To that end I repost this:

Over on LG SC says: ''This week I received three emails from people (two overseas) who have started listening to M again and practicing K sincerely. They said it was due to us sharing a 'more consistent' energy than they find on F7.

''Cat and I got honourable mention for consistently exposing the weakness and anger that lies just beneath the surface of their 'I'm so happy to be cult free' delusion.

''A very satisfying feeling - knowing one can make a difference.
However, as we speak the fearful amongst them are plotting to throw us out. Doesn't matter because the job is done, there are no new exes and 90% of the premies who read and posted there no longer bother with it. Real life is so much more rewarding than garnering meagre social and spiritual nourishment from a chatroom.

''Today Patrick posted our thread from here and added his own harmless waffle. When they rely on us for entertainment you know their ship is sinking!!

''Last night I played my newly recorded classical piece to Kim, Geoff, Vic and Carol. Afterwards there was enthusiastic applause and I was thrilled. We partied on and K and G played us some of their new songs (Fantastic!) then we all jammed on old beatles and Dylan tunes. What a night. There's nothing like the 'in the flesh' company of people one truly loves and respects.''

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 17:21:13 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: It's just because they're so #$%&@ obnoxious!
Message:
Sorry - if y'all want to read them, then by all means go ahead.

BTW, it wasn't "advice" - it was my opinon - and I hope I clearly stated it as such. And I do take offense at your implication that I am "two-faced" - fuck you, Pat.

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 20:03:44 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: I love it when you talk dirty, Katie
Message:
I prefer being told to fuck off than for people to be nice to me all the time.

Yes, like you, I also prefer to be liked rather than hated but that isn't possible. Taking a principled stand often leads to being hated by some.

Anyway now is not the time for us to be fighting unless you absolutely insist. Personally I prefer fighting with them, the CACroaches and SCatweasels, although I know you don't like the us and them thingy.

It was your chumming up to the anonymous MK on LG after the F5 debacle that made me think that you were two-faced. THEM is not regular premies like Carlos and DavidJ but the cult agents provocateurs like MK/SC. Big difference. Truce?

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Date: Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 08:21:58 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: I still don't get it
Message:
At the time, I thought MK was a real person - my mistake on that one. But you seem to like SC (well, some of the time), so what's the diff?

Anyway, it doesn't matter...but I don't like being called two-faced, as you can probably gather :).

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Date: Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 14:16:05 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Okay, I apologise
Message:
I should have done that straight off instead of making a smart-alecky come back. You annoyed me when you told me not to repost LG stuff. It sounded patronizing so I had a go at you. Completely unfair.

My apologies are sincere. If anything, I think you suffer from the same weakness as me: you want to be liked by everyone and prefer things to be kept friendly and civil and I had no right to say what I did.

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Date: Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 08:31:12 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Thanks, Pat
Message:
I really didn't TELL you not to post LG stuff, although it may have sounded that way. I just had a bad reaction to the post you posted :(.

Re wanting to be liked by everyone - I agree that we both have tendencies in that direction. However, this forum has helped me rid myself of a lot of those tendencies (to say the least!).

Anyway, I appreciate the apology, and I do understand.

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 00:59:36 (EST)
From: Francesca ~)
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: BAN SC AND CW!!!
Message:
Gerry and all,

Why, why, why oh why do we have to put up with these people? Who else would like them banned? Let's have a vote.

--f

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 11:11:20 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Francesca ~)
Subject: Re: BAN SC AND CW!!!
Message:
Francesca, and everyone who agrees with banning SC and CW.

I AGREE! Ban them. They have outdone themselves in gameplaying and insults. Neither has anything of importance to discuss here.

BAN THESE GHOULS!

Cynthia, casing my official vote

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 13:55:16 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: But, Cynthia...
Message:
.....don't you think their obvious paranoia and pathological lying is such a wonderful counterpoint to the expremies' posts?

Any wavering premie reading them in juxtaposition to the exes' posts is going to know immediately who is sane and who is in a mind-fucking cult.

They're doing us a great service and their master a great disservice. In fact sometimes I think they are fictional satirical creations of an ex to discredit the cult. ;)

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 14:14:01 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Yes Pat....())
Message:
I agree completely;)

Of course, paranoid pathological liars are my favorite kind of person!

Especially when they get nasty and mean())())

())())())())
Cynthia

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 01:30:26 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: Francesca ~)
Subject: Pull yourself together woman
Message:
You are projecting your vicious hate energy onto folks who have done you no harm at all.

Think about it

and weep for your soul.

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 03:17:03 (EST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: SC is all in pieces
Message:
I asked this earlier, but you ignored the question, so I'll try again.

How many fake personas have you used here? How many times have you pretended to be someone else (by using a different name; pretending to have a different history; representing yourself as another person entirely to the sad fraud you have become?)

I'm also interested to to know... have you ever corresponded with an ex under one of your assumed pseudo-personas?

I think you lost your core sense of self long ago and can excuse in your own mind all your deceptions, including your presemt slimey two-faced posturing. But how you can ever expect anyone else to believe anything you say?

It seems you have been such a pseud for so long, there is nothing real in you anynore, and no-one who knows you can ever give you any credibilitiy.

Perhaps because you lack the courage and honesty to look at what has happened to you at the hands of Rawat and his cult, you have become as false as the empty illusion that you worship.

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 16:09:26 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Re: SC is all in pieces
Message:
JohnT, I can't believe the post he left to you down there telling you to how-to make love to your wife. Does this guy know you?

What a fuckin creep. There is no room for this shit.

We have a right to flame Maha. He is a cult leader prick --

SC does not have control on what we say. If I want to scream Maha is a Sexist Pig. It is none of his business. He can go jerk off the folks at LG who think he is mahvellous. We know better.

Bret it pisses him off we don't see him the same way. But then, they are desperate people defending a cult leader.

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 08:59:04 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: 14 - 7 - No
Message:
?

You just keep thinking John, a real feeling would knock you over.

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 11:32:47 (EST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: David squirms
Message:
I keep asking this, but you keep ignoring the question.

How many fake personas have you used here? How many times have you pretended to be someone else (by using a different name; pretending to have a different history; representing yourself as another person entirely to the sad fraud you have become?)

Have you ever corresponded with an ex under one of your assumed pseudo-personas?

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Date: Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 04:10:35 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Are you blind as well as stupid?
Message:
For the second time>>>>

14 - 7 - NO

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Date: Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 08:33:01 (EST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: Talk straight you deceitful person
Message:
David,

You really don't have to be THAT offensive, you know. Your Master would not like you showing yourself (and HEEM) up like that. Remember THAT trancendent effulgent bliss; take a few deep breaths; pause to feel THAT gratitude towards the fraudulent Captain Prempal Rawat of Malibu; dash off a few cheques to show you truly appreciate all He has done for a lowlife such as yourself; and generally chill, OK?

So what are you saying, exactly? Come on, spell it out, it might have to stand up in court, and no Court would expect me to be so easily fooled by a known liar and pretender as you are!

Because you have used pretense and deceit as a matter of routine, you really can't expect a chap to leave you ANY wiggle room at all, now, can you?

Spit it out, lad.

How many times was it again that you have pretended to be someone else here? And how many times in private emails to ex-premies?

Oh! And why should I believe a known fantasist like yourself anyway?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Date: Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 10:31:35 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: No Problemo
Message:
FUCK OFF OUT OF MY FACE
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Date: Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 04:36:36 (EST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 01:58:14 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: There is no hate involved
Message:
Quit chanting your party line. There is no hate involved. You don't belong here and have ulterior motives, which is clear from your comments people have posted from Life is Great.

I am not saying you have done me any harm. It is not so dramatic as all that. You don't belong in the discussions that go on here, and you are disruptive. Even the title of your post 'pull yourself together woman' is sexist. You have stooped pretty low in your comments to Cynthia, Deborah and Selene.

Based on the vitriol you spew here and on LG, if anyone should "weep for their soul," I'd nominate YOU.

It's my vote that you and CW be banned. I am just one vote. We'll see what happens here. This is certainly one of the few posts of yours I will ever respond to.

--f

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 02:28:12 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Re: There is no hate involved
Message:
Of course their is no Hate involved. That's Roupell's rubber-band tactic of deflecting whatever we say. He is disruptive, rude, mean, condescending, mysogonistic, hypocritical, illogical, spin doctoring. Not that any regular person here is fooled.

But he thinks if he says it, people will sympathize. But when he replies, he's like the Emperor's New Clothes. He's naked baby. We see what's not there.

Do you think he's disappointing those EV freaks watching him play.
Can't afford to lose to a couple of girls.

His tactics are so transparent and UNnecessary and UNwelcomed.

Gerry, please. This is my official vote.

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 05:45:39 (EST)
From: GGG
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: One tries, but fails . . .
Message:
. . . to speak to these guys in a rational, logical way but it never changes anything. I would hazard a guess that they have never done anything to address their personal issues and 30 years of baggage are being trailed everywhere, personal baggage, baggage that m told he would get rid of. Thus we have people that believe they have the Holy Grail, and cant and refuse to see that they were and are still being duped. They're only comeback is mean and nasty because they have no leg to stand on, thye have never addressed their own issues of bitterness, powerlessness, abuse. Thus they have to defend their ludicrous position from whatever posture fits in with the EV 'mindspeak.'

Feel compassion that they are so unhealed (sorry to use a new age word there Jim, I know how it offends you!)but also feel disgusted as it is a waste of time trying to make these guys see anything that is reasonable. Putting up with their abuse just makes them more abusive. The mindset is set, in concrete if you ask me. Unfortunately what I believe is happening here is that we are trying to discuss a matter of personal integrity with people who have given up any idea of integrity, traded it in for some experience or other of what they call 'clarity and bliss,' if this inanity narrowminded abuse is clarity and bliss, then god help the human race.

They've twisted everything to fit their script, and I'm fed up of listening to their sick script. If it was discursive but we know it is not . . .

GGG having a good time without listening to any gurus but myself!

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 15:42:21 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: GGG
Subject: GGG = Go Girl Go
Message:
Hi gggg,

Thanks for your support and sound input. It's not the cult membership or RAWAT apologetic shit. It's his abuse to the Exes, especially the women. And he revises garbage that he put out yesterday.

Down below, I responded to a vulgar Racist joke about Jews and ovens that Rawat said to amuse his disciples. He screamed bloody murder, yet I was responding to Rawat. I didn't just come out of the blue with my comment.

But BigHead can do NO wrong. It was wrong of me to insult Maha. See?

This is grown fuckin man who considers himself cool, loving and charismatic.

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 16:30:53 (EST)
From: GGG
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Nasty men will not survive. . .
Message:
thanks deborah for your input, yes it gives me the creeps that they are so abusive, for the hell of it, they just seem to have the worst of that cavalier attitude which I believe the maha and his organisation promoted. Disrespect is de rigeur, making a mockery of everything, maha has proved time and time again that he just loves to diss everything that this world has ever had to offer, from vitamin pills to Old masters. These 'deevoted' loonies have no sense of what's going on, whatever you say they absolutely take it any which way they want and say whatever their latest hysterical form of abuse they've just learnt is. They are as I said, sick sad people that really ought to get some therapy, because no one in their right minds (or is it that they haven't got minds now which causes the problems) would dream of treating other human beings with the contempt and disrespect which these grown men do. Its all grownup playground stuff if you ask me but really nasty. Nastier even to think that we were pushed around by the likes of these creeps for years and years unknowingly.

What they don't get is that we are a lot happier without the lard and that we have got a life maybe it annoys them as they haven't.

Also dare I say it again, since when did anyone not have the right to believe what they wanted to?

GGG feeling empowered and very happy to have escaped from the grips of the rugu

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 01:13:10 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Francesca ~)
Subject: Re: BAN SC AND CW!!!
Message:
I'll second that. I notice when something of importance is brought up on the forum, this person appears and derails the topic into the gutter. The more he/she is responded to, the more obnoxious they become, pushing people's buttons. This person hits below the belt, is never fair and does nothing but incite riot. Perhaps it's service?
Oooops, participation?
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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 00:37:14 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: Report from LG for the personae non grata
Message:
Okay, since I wasn't here for all this, I'm reading the updates on best of EPO, and came across the Erika postings of March. She said she was going to grill pams forcefully about m's behavior, and she also drafted a letter to him. Then she ends up with a joint venture web site that is totally onesided propaganda, and only postings that they like are allowed and any questioning is regarded as unfair allegations? Did I miss something here, or have they joined The Blues Brothers and are on a mission from God?
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 20:04:03 (EST)
From: Zelda
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: the sickness of it !!!
Message:
this is repulsive:''SC - struggling from wounds on the frontline but carrying valiantly on with the fight and hoping for a nice shiny medal at the end of it all.''

who ever heard of fighting a fight while holding a hope for a medal???

that sentence in ittself shows a motivation of the most twisted kind

that means that when he engages in discussion ti fueled by his desire for glory or recognition.
yuck
it also means merely engaging them in discussion adds to their own sense of hero as they see themselves in the eyes of their peers.
sick sick stuff

that self adulation is not kosher according to guidlines of devotion to guru
---
by anybodys definition !!

Z

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 21:29:52 (EST)
From: CW
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: Re: the sickness of it !!!
Message:
It mean's in typical Aussie fashion , he does not take himself seriously.You want to try it some time...........
BTW , I actually don't know the guy personally. But I have heard he is irrepressible and irreverant.
Oh ! Golly gee whiz! So am I!! Deborah is right! We must be the same person. A cultural stereotype like that just can't be an accident!
Sheesh! She is one smart chick. I wonder ,is this her own theory? Did she work it all out by herself? Or did you help Pat?Come on-share a little on that incredible sluething! You Masterminds ! God I'm impressed!
Hey -- Fucking amazing!
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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 11:21:56 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: CW
Subject: I have to say it !!!
Message:
You are such an asshole. I mean I've met nicer assholes than you--you are particularly stinky and mean. Go away, shoo, shoo...

...don't bother to answer me, I want you banned,

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 23:53:00 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: CW
Subject: CW and SC -- a coupla' wild and crazies
Message:
BTW , I actually don't know the guy personally. But I have heard he is irrepressible and irreverant.
Oh ! Golly gee whiz! So am I!!

Oh yeah, you guys are so damned WILD!! Maybe you two should go cruise for chicks together or something. After arti, of course. I bet you even have your own way pranamming, huh Cat? A little flick of the hair, a little flourish?

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 20:29:37 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Zelda
Subject: You said it Zeld [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 03:48:10 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: Deborah
Subject: Zelda, Vicki, Deb, Fran
Message:
I personally love a movie with a really nasty villain in it but the villain MUST always be brought to justice otherwise it annoys me. Especially if that villain has made sneering comments about fags.

In this case the villain has made really sneering comments about and to the women on this forum. Even when the villain has worn drag (a la cerise, marolyn, selena crumpet et al) it has been in a sneering way. This villain is seriously misogynistic. Where is Mrs Bobbit when you need her?

Instead of banning this person - I've got a better idea. Email me and I'll tell you.

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 15:59:42 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: Zelda, Vicki, Deb, Fran
Message:
Check email dude. Have a nice Sunday :)
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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 09:19:47 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Here you go again Pat (sigh)
Message:
back to Desperation Row tactics...

using veiled threats in an attempt to create a climate of fear and aprehension.

Aahh, I can almost smell the integrity from here!!

Have you ever considered the unbearable possibility that

IT WON'T WORK

You big bearded beffuddled belligerent buffoon!

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 11:21:03 (EST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: Very droll, Dave
Message:
using veiled threats in an attempt to create a climate of fear and aprehension.

That's your style, alright, Roupell. Remember the things you've said and done while thinking you were safe behind your mask?

PatC is most welcome here, it seems to me, but you are not. What can it mean? Perhaps you should consider that your shabby slurs are making things worse for you and your cult.

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 13:40:22 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Make things worse for cult
Message:
I am sorry, John, that you have to put up with especially nasty insults from SC/CW. I hope that you understand why they attack you.

It's because they know that you have never experienced the guru-juju and are a sane and civilized human being. It really galls them that someone who has never gotten K can be so rational, calm and and UN-needy. Deep down they wonder why.

Why should someone who has never had K be so sensible and peaceful when they suffer so much mental disease and have to constantly struggle to be happy by practicing K and thinking about M?

It must really hurt them and eat away at their faith. Obviously contented people who were never premies must really cause their ''doubt-makers'' to squirm.

But you take their insults with equanimity because you know that they are not sane or happy. Thank you for being here.

I also would like answers to the questions you posed to SC: ""How many fake personas have you used here? How many times have you pretended to be someone else (by using a different name; pretending to have a different history; representing yourself as another person entirely to the sad fraud you have become?)

""Have you ever corresponded with an ex under one of your assumed pseudo-personas?""

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Date: Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 05:01:40 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Pat wants answers!!
Message:
WELL I BETTER FUCKING WELL JUMP TO IT!!

For the THIRD TIME

14 - 7 - No

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Date: Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 05:06:49 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: Thanks, David
Message:
14 aliases and 7 people whom you emailed under those aliases? Now, before you leave, could you please say what those aliases were, what dates you used them on and who were the people whom you emailed under false pretences.
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Date: Mon, Nov 05, 2001 at 10:52:25 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: No no
Message:
Twinkle Twinkle Little Star

you know the rest

just for the akashic record you understand

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 18:02:09 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: No, this isn't a cult (part 536) (JHB?)
Message:
'DUO will be the backbone. We must start operating on the same systems throughout the world. This is the perfect time to start. Everything must be stabilized. I want it to be perfect. This organization was started by Shri Maharaji Ji and this is a service I am doing for Him. It must be perfect. We must get to the point where we are one million minds, but only one idea. All decisions will be made by Guru Maharaj Ji and orders will be given to each country so that all we have to do is follow them'

-- Guru Maharaj Ji

(Divine Times 1974)

By the way, I've just found the ugliest picture of Maharaji dressed as a pilot standing outside his jet. You might want this for EPO, John. If I can get Laurie to scan it, I'll send it to you.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 17:11:13 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: What snobs!
Message:
I just took another look at PCT's latest blurb on ELK:

Please consider this - thanks and update

We'd like to thank everyone for their kind words on our new website www.PleaseConsiderThis.com. . We appreciate all the support, and hope that the site will prove both useful and enjoyable.

Our intended audience for the site is 'innocent bystanders' - people who are interested in Maharaji and Knowledge and may have encountered various negative allegations on 'anti-Maharaji' websites or elsewhere. We're offering these people a positive, thoughtful, honest (and funny, if possible) alternative.

We've tried hard to make this a quality site with quality writing, drawing both on our hearts and our minds. Article submissions are welcome, but you should familiarize yourself with the site and its approach before submitting.

If you like what you read on our site, you may be interested in signing up for our mailing list so you can be notified when new articles are posted.

Warmly,
David Andersen
Erika Andersen
Mitch Ditkoff
Bob Johnson

How arrogant and self-important these guys are! Whenever someone refers to their own 'quality' writing, watch out. When they talk about their own humour, same. My oh my.

What's really funny about this, though, is the trepidation these 'quality' folk have about accepting submissions from just any ol' Janice, Ivette or Stojan (or whatever his name is). Why else would they make a point of saying that their articles are drawn from both their hearts AND minds? Why else would they want people to familiarize themselves first with the site if not to get the ELK folk to try to come across as kewl as they are?

This is a cult. I just know it.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 18:00:05 (EST)
From: Dear Jim
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: What snobs!
Message:
<< How arrogant and self-important these guys are! Whenever someone refers to their own 'quality' writing, watch out. When they talk about their own humour, same. My oh my. >>

Dear Jim,
I think you are making an ass out of yourself, no offense.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 19:38:12 (EST)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Dear Jim
Subject: Re: What snobs!
Message:
<< How arrogant and self-important these guys are! Whenever someone refers to their own 'quality' writing, watch out. When they talk about their own humour, same. My oh my. >>

Dear Jim,
I think you are making an ass out of yourself, no offense.


---

While you are failing to identify or explain yourself. I guess that way there's no risk of making an ass out of your precious premie eggshell self. (As to 'no offense' - how could anyone take offense at a brain-dead tortoise?)

Do I smell ****'s no-doubt quality critical analysis here?

Got something to say, pal, then spell it out. You could even use sentences and paragraphs if you like. It's known as communication among those that do it and don't hide behind silly monicas. (no pun intended)

Otherwise go forth and pranam. Or maybe stick around and entertain us some more. Your impotent insults are harmless to everyone bar your cult leader.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 16:54:05 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Thanks,JHB, for updating the 'Best of'e
Message:
John,

I think you deserve some further recognition for updating the 'Best of' pages so well. Great work!

By the way, do you have any idea when JM's going to finish some of the stuff he promised, hell, like I don't know when? A long time ago, anyway? What's with that guy?

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 19:37:26 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Yeah.....
Message:
Yeah, he probably doesn't put enough hours into service, spacing out all the time. Not like me, living life, spending time with friends, my mother, girlfriend, entertaining guests, caring for my horses, land, forest, reading the forum, learning HTML, watching football, films, reading, eating, drinking, shopping, shitting, washing, standing and staring, sleeping, and I still have time to do the EPO webmaster job, archives, journeys, white pages, off-forum emails, and updating the site pages (although I'm also a bit behind with a few sections). Not sure I could handle it all if I was a lawyer as well though:-)

Seriously, you're right, but EPO is still there, premies are still becoming exes, EV still haven't found any factual errors on EPO, EPO is number one in several search engines, and in the top ten in all but one, and Life continues to be Great:-)

John the gets there eventually.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 14:48:07 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Oh no! Go back, sis, go back!
Message:
This is a letter from an early issue (May 1973) of And It Is Divine, the Divine Light Mission magazine we were sure would takeover all other news periodicals:

Dear Editor:

I have been active for some time in movement politics and especially, until lately, women's rights, so when I picked up a copy of your April issue, I read the article 'Women' first off. The different views of the women interviewed are very interesting, especially in juxtaposition this way -- a technique I haven't seen before. It si good to see a variety of views and backgrounds, and to hear woment speak for themselves on a personal level. Still, there seemed a basic fallacy running through most of the women's stories. I am not satisfied with any of the methods mentioned as direct means for women -- and men -- to get to and express that human quality that will unite us. Consciousness raising groups, legislative lobbying, marriage, career, celibacy; none of these seem to come to the point quickly enough to suit me.

This has been my frustration generally with 'movement' consciousness; it is not so revolutionary to really break from the straight methods of ideology, of media indoctrination, of group identity, to something NEW, like personally contacting the essence of humanity. But I am faced with the problem of how?? There is this feeling, reenforced by the popular spirituality that is growing, that there is an experience that takes any type of person with whatever identity trips (whie, black, male, female, left, right) straight away to the center of his or her being. They then see that it is universal and peaceful and lovign and all the rest ... and since it is within, they don't ahve to cling to any particular indentity trip. We express what we are experiencing, so if we are experiencing slavery, frustration and drudgery, we can't possibly practically spread liberation and fulfillment.

Anyway, I've got it all figured out that what we need to get together is what could be, finally, an actual liberation movement on a social level, but I am still stuck with not knowing how to get to this place. That's when my mind really got blown by Rennie Davis's interview at the other end of the issue. I heard him suggest on an interview on KSAN the other day: if this stuff about Guru Maharaji Ji is even possibly true, it's worht checking out; just a trial. A lot of this still has me mystified, but as long as I'm looking, this looks as good as anything to investigate. Maybe we can know what liberation is.

Sincerely,

Linda Fitzgerald
San Francisco

Funny, eh? Funny and touching all the same. All that idealism. We were definitely going to change the world it was just a matter of how. And those cliches! That jargon!

Anyway, one thing I wonder is, does anyone -- does anyone -- ever know this 'sister'? Was she a ringer or a real 'non-premie' sniffing at the bait? DID she ever really learn what liberation is?

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 17:35:48 (EST)
From: Nigel
Email: nige@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Jim
Subject: Actually it hardly matters..
Message:
..whether she was a premie or interested outsider. Given the rest of her post and the cultural climate, there would have been precious little difference between the two. That whole late-hippie/save-the- world-via-universal-love dream permeated both those within and without Margie's God bubble. Looking back, it is hard to remember the time - years before Jim Jones or any of the darker cult tendencies - when pretty well all people of an alternative/radical tendency would show an unhealthy respect for anybody with an approximately counter-cultural ideology. Everybody found the 'path' that was right for them, right? Although not Krishas ourselves, we could respect their sincerity, their vegetarianism, their non-confomity (if not those bloody haircuts). Donovan in white robes doing pranam on his album sleeve or John McLaughlin walking in a happy trance alongside Sri Whatthefuckshisstupidname on 'Love, Devotion and Surrender'. Chick Corea, The Increds and Stanley Clarke all Scientologists...

Gurus were cool, basically. Admittedly, M was a bit of an oddball: so tacky, greasy-haired, squeaky-voiced, acned lover of ice-cream and horror movies. Not to mention his already conspicuous delight in expensive toys. But in those eight years between first hearing about the boy-God and getting involved myself, he still looked like a more worthwhile force for good in the world than, say, my parent's church or a career in the army.

In a way, paradoxicaly, it was Humpty's very non-guru-like uncoolness which made him more believable: if he can be like that - so unlike the popular conception of unworldly eastern mystic - and still have all these seemingly intelligent, credible and happy followers, he has to be the real thing, surely?

I can see why this Linda woman, in the innocence of those times, might indeed be a disillusioned outsider with a genuine interest in self-discovery via 'Knowledge'. Many of us here could have written that letter at some point in our pre-cult lives.

Nige the thank Christ for punk rock..

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 15:30:05 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I vote ringer [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 05:57:19 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: All
Subject: My Life as a Rotting Vegetable.
Message:
According to the cult, I am in serious decline.

“Well, slap away old chappy but I (and the board) have a keen interest In you. Particularly how over the last year you have been posting messages that suggest that Anth the funny easy goer is slowly descending into Anth the frantic and Anth the spiteful.

It's a very interesting decline, we must consult Glen of Whittaker about it. You are clearly suffering a defficiency in love and joy when we are supposed to believe that exiting an evil cult is an exhilarating experience of newly found freedom. Growing evidence suggests otherwise.

SC - Still jealous of Anth cavorting about in classrooms with the Lord Of the Universe and kids.”

Since I left the cult, according to SC, I’m descending into a frantic, spiteful decline, suffering a deficiency in love and joy.

I met an old and dear premie pal at a birthday part earlier this year. He’s one of my “friends” who has avoided me since I left the cult. He was extremely uncomfortable talking to me, almost embarrassed, quite formal and unfriendly. He left my company as soon as he could. I found out afterwards that he’d told the pal whose party it was, I seemed “negative, down, unhappy, and generally fucked up.” (During out conversation I was careful to be polite and not mention Captain Rawat and his dwindling cult.)

Some local premie friends (who are real friends) went to Amaroo this year and met a few UK honchos, who know me very well, on the site down under. The honchos knew I was a neighbor and friend of these premies and they asked how I was. My premie pal told them Dot and I were both well and happy, and enjoying life. The premies were then subject to interrogation along the lines, “But we heard he was completely freaked out. That he’s in a bad way…etc. Are you sure?”.

My premie pals assured them I am in fine fettle, but my old honcho pals had a hard time accepting it. The premies were questioned in a way that suggested they must be mistaken. Surely I must be freaked out by now.

Lot’s of premies want, and expect us to be “freaked out” because we’ve left the cult, and “cut ourselves off from the source of Truth” etc. After all, if Captain Rawat is the Lord come again, like Jesus, surely turning your back on him will cause suffering and pain right? It’s a hypothetical question. He ain’t the Lord come again, and there’s only relief when you leave his cult.

This iron clad theory is apparent in SC’s post, above. Although SC hasn’t seen me for years, if ever, she is still able to make pronouncements on the deficiency of love I have in my life. (I wonder what the people I love think about this, my wife, children, brother, mother, friends etc).

If you’re a believer, and you stop believing, those who still believe have to construct a mythology to explain why someone would leave the Perfect Master and the Ultimate Experience of Love Peace and Joy, and what happens when they do. Out of the mythology comes the theory that, “Practice and you are in Bliss. Therefore, stop practising and your life becomes an empty, sad affair without love.” This theory blinds premies to what really happens when you leave the cult.

Life improves instantly. This is why nobody ever goes back. It’s something you feel inside. It’s an experience. You have to have it for yourself to understand it.

Of course, the Captain doesn’t see it like this either, which is why he has subtly distilled fear into premies over the years, about what will happen if you stop worshipping him. At Tuscon he said, “You will fall, and break into a thousand pieces, and never be able to be put back together”. “Stop practising and “knowledge” becomes a pile of rotting vegetables inside you.” That’s a barrowload of bullshit. Life improves when you escape from your mental prison.

Another thing I’ve noticed, is that the most fanatical, doubtless, “inspiring” premies, are those who have a full-time position within the cult. These are also the friends that have dropped me quickest of all.

Devotion to the cause and the Captain seems directly proportional to the amount of cult dosh, going into your bank account to pay your rent. When the full-time service disappears, the mindless, ignorant, fanaticism seems to go with it.

Premies really live in a strange, mad, little world.

Anth the rotting vegetable, broken into a thousand pieces, never to be repaired. Ah well, you can’t win ‘em all.

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 01:00:28 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: My Life as a Rotting Vegetable.
Message:
I had a very strange dream last night. One of those that remains vividly clear in the light of day. I was at the home of a dear, long time Indian premie friend. She was in her pajamas and sickly. She didn't want to cook anything. I asked if it was possible to make a vegetable seem like meat. She is possibly the most fantastic Gujarati cook on the face of the planet, so this was entirely out of character for her. The next thing I know, I'm out of her house. I just left without saying goodbye. And I'm standing on some sort of vista realizing this. I look out and wonder if I will ever understand what this human life is supposed to understand, and experience knowledge again, in some form.

The whole world changes for me in that instant and becomes magnificant in a way I've never ever seen before. It's an incredible instant of the cosmic cosmos revealing itself. And what I realize is, it's better and beyond anything that was presented before.

So rotting vegetables? I don't think so. And Anth, I can't tell you the times your postings have made me think, have uncovered a confusion and just plain made me throw back my head howling with laughter. I can't say any honcho on a conference call ever did that for me. Infact, they were the biggest waste of time and money and did nothing but spread confusion across the united states time and time again. I know, because I'd go to programs and hear people grumbling about them.

Ya know, I took my kids out of the local elementary school that was an extension of the Country Club neighborhood I lived in, quite by mistake, and homeschooled them, when I couldn't tolerate their politics and dysfunction any longer. Since the homeschool program was through the school district, I attended the school board meetings.
Much to my surprise, I was the subject of the night. No one could believe I would dare remove my children from the most coveted elementary school in town. It shook them to the core and made them so angry. They had to rearrange their pecking order. Funny how people's identities are dependent upon pecking orders.

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 21:44:45 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Very trippy, Vicky, te he [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 00:23:01 (EST)
From: SC
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Too complicated Anth
Message:
And as usual SC is misquoted.

I didn't say 'since Anth left the cult' I said 'over the last year'.

For fucksake, how are all the aspirant/premie lurkers reading this going to take people seriously when this sort of thing happens CONSTANTLY.

Life is simple Anth, my post was pretty simple.

All SC said was this..Last year (and the year before) your posts were really funny, clever, witty and all that good stuff.
This year they seem to have aquired a more cynical aggressive tone. I asume that is directly connected to your level of joy. It's only a lighthearted assumtion, not a desecration of your proud ex cult status!

I don't doubt for a moment that you're a great guy with a full and happy life. I hope that is the case and you're right, the career premies do live in a strange, mad, little world. Some of them are unbearable judgemental arrogant narrow minded idiotic fucks and you guys are right to express your distaste.

SC - who will probably be thrown out of the cult for being rude about core members.

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Date: Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:54:43 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: A question SC.
Message:
Hi SC,

I've a question for you. Do you think it's possible to be happier and more content with life and yourself, when you stop following Rawat, than when following. Ie, stopping 'practising' could actually improve life.

Do you think this is possible SC?

By the way SC, nobody ever gets thrown out of the cult. They just slip to the bottom of the career ladder.

Anthony Cleanpants

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 04:16:38 (EST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: SC
Subject: Really simple, SC
Message:
SC: For fucksake, how are all the aspirant/premie lurkers reading this going to take people seriously when this sort of thing happens CONSTANTLY.

You mean your pretences to be all sorts of different people? SC, you are well stuffed. Like the fraudulent Mili, your own lies have destroyed your credibility completely.

And like him, your only way back is to 'fess up and account for your past idiotic posturings. Listen up, bud, here's a little hint. Gaze into a mirror and repeat to yourself I had accepted delusion into my heart and become utterly false.

Good Luck on finding your way back to being real.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 22:21:43 (EST)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Rotting Vegetable? COMPOST!!
Message:
Yeah, baby. Freedom is freedom, and tastes divine.

What more to say? Bondage to beliefs is bondage. If believing makes you happy...well, what is happiness? And what is the price of this 'happiness?'

What about the others...your friends, your family, your world of human companions?

Liberation is a beautiful word.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 16:43:02 (EST)
From: Jimola
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: My Life as a Rotting Vegetable.
Message:
Why is it I feel like I'm a bit part in an Anne Rice novel? Disculta? Suedoula? Magiclara? Eve feel this way?

Anth,

One of the main reasons I haven't killed myself over the last few years is that I don't want to give Maharaji and his cult the satisfaction. Lord knows I'm hanging on by a thread ....

Hm, that's not too funny. What if I ever .... naw, forget it.

OkAAAAAAAAay ....

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Date: Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:58:31 (EST)
From: AJWia
Email: None
To: Jimola
Subject: Jimola, is this a U-turn?
Message:
I thought you asked Pat and I to keep quiet about your 'other identity' because you hadn't got over that little episode at Amaroo, when you went through darshan in drag.

Is it OK to talk about it now Jim (ola)?

Lady Anthia the butch.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 18:32:27 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: Jimola
Subject: Jimola
Message:
Who is Ann Rice? What are her novels about? Why do our names make you feel like you are in her novel? I think Jimola really suits you having seen your picture in a marvellous outfit.
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 15:29:22 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Life as a Rotting Tropical Fruit
Message:
You said it all, Anth.

Too funny how the old Maharajism stories apply now more than ever. The frog stuck in the well of cult-think versus us frogs who live in the big world with everyone else.

Yes, getting uncultivated really is like tasting a mango. You can't know what it's like to be free of cult-think until you get out of it.

Being in a cult really is like being in prison even if the cult is only a ''cult between the ears.'' But I know I will not succeed in making any premie understand this. They really have to try eating the mango.

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Date: Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:48:04 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Yes Pat.
Message:
Hi Pat,

...and it's wierd how, although it's supposed to be the Eternal Truth, we were scared to question it- as if we secretly knew it would disappear when we did. If it was real, it would stand up to any amount of examination.

Anth the mango milkshake.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 12:00:15 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: My Life as a Rotting Vegetable.
Message:
Hi Anth
I enjoyed your post. I feel much better in myself not having the spectre of rawat hanging over me. I am glad to know it is a load of nonesense even if that makes me feel somewhat foolish to have ever believed it. Never mind eh?
Love Magiclara
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 11:44:07 (EST)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Hee hee, and er...
Message:
That's hysterical Anth! I do remember my own discomfort when people would leave the cult. I even seem to remember trying to think that they were fooling themselves into thinking they were doing great!

And even if they weren't, so what? You said 'Life improves instantly. This is why nobody ever goes back.' Well... not for everyone, as Loaf also says below. But so what if it doesn't? At least it's more authentic and one is becoming more whole. Sometimes it's a slightly rough transition. There seem to be quite a few new exes who are saying it is a bit bumpy.

There's a great line in the movie Postcards from the Edge, where Meryl Streep has been a coke addict and has gone sober. She is talking to one of her old friends, and he says, 'You look worse, and yet better.' She is no longer in a doped-out bypass mode, so she is noticing some... er... feelings. So she sort of looks worse. But that is better, because she is aware of more parts of herself.

My most challenging experience with leaving the cult in 1984 was not so much about the external leaving -- although I did experience some of the 'social problems' you describe. It was the 'cult between my ears' that I had to deal with, specifically the results of having denied my real feelings and thinking process and actual gut knowing for so long that they had become like tyrannical old hags. The tyrannical old hags were really powerful women who were branded as witches, and when banished to the outside of the village, would come in at night to terrify the inhabitants.

But other than that, things are marvellous, life is great, people are terrific, since leaving. I can still feel the relief of taking back dominion over my own insides.

love Katie Darling

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 10:30:33 (EST)
From: Suedoula
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: My Life as a Rotting Vegetable.
Message:
>>If you’re a believer, and you stop believing, those who still believe have to construct a mythology to explain why someone would leave the Perfect Master and the Ultimate Experience of Love Peace and Joy, and what happens when they do. Out of the mythology comes the theory that, “Practice and you are in Bliss. Therefore, stop practising and your life becomes an empty, sad affair without love.” This theory blinds premies to what really happens when you leave the cult. <<

This is so true, Anth. I can remember feeling that way when people I knew left the cult. I also remember in my moments of trying to hang on while I was slowly slipping away, the look of condescension and pity on the faces of the still believing when I expressed my (gasp!) doubts out loud. Your post made me think of that glazed over expression that appeared on the faces of the pwks when confronted with one of their own who could dare to question their 'reality.'

When I left I didn't look back. In fact it wasn't until recently when I found you all and this forum that I took the time to question and think and process much of the old garbage. I had the oddest realization. I met my husband indirectly thru a friend of mine who had lived with me in the Ashram. She invited me to a party given by some of her coworkers and my soon to be husband was there. My friend and I continued to spend time together but more and more she made excuses of having other obligations and our friendship dwindled to almost nothing. My husband and I moved from New York to Connecticut and one day I called my friend and invited her out for a fall weekend in the country. I knew she wanted no part of me when she told me she couldn't come because she had 'way too much laundry to do.' Silly me, I attributed the loss of her friendship to the fact that I had married her boss. It took me til now to realize that she couldn't deal with me as a non-believer.

Best to all,
Susan (who does realize that she has admitted to all just how dense she can be and who dreamt about going to see Erika and getting the 'look.')

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:29:53 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Me rotting frog busy updating BOF
Message:
Lots of updates on that page. Still a couple of pages to upload, but you'll already have plenty of excellent reading for your week-end.
[ Best of Forum page ]
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Date: Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 16:16:35 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Merci beaucoup monsier. (pdt)
Message:
pas de texte (C'est le way je tell 'em)
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:21:54 (EST)
From: loaf
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: My Life as a Rotting Vegetable.
Message:
hello Anth....

I just want to say something to all the people who are having a hard time of it out there.. for whom it might NOT be easy... and for whom the transition from white to black is a bit too cutting.

I found myself ostracised too... but for different reasons. When I did start to exit, i was having a minor breakdown.. there was no instant betterness.. just a lot of fear and uncertainty and self doubt and pain.

I was fighting with myself for quite a while over the whole Knowledge thing.. a lot of the pressure and tension of denial had been wreaking havoc subconciously for a while.. and when things like that start coming to the surface.. well for me it was painful and embarrassing.

WHAT FINALLY put the nail in the coffin of my involvement with Elan Vital (although not maha for a while still) was the fact that the Church ladies could not cope with me having a bad time. There was no kindness, no sympathy, no understanding... but like sheep they fled from my pain as if it was a threat to them.

I was ever so slightly persona non grata because I had let my mask slip.

A cardinal sin in a society where appearance is ALL.

It took me a couple of years to start to come to terms with what had happened.. please people, if you are having a bad time with all this.. if you are lonely and scared and vulnerable and hyper-sensitive like i was... take heart from my story.. cos it does get better.

When I had recovered from some of the anti-maharaji reactions which are perfectly healthy in anyone exiting from the influence of a strong parental figure.. I found that what I was left with was a big bag of old laundry.. some of it 18 yrs old, but the joy and treasure I have found in sorting it all out has been priceless... not because it is valuable or impressive, but simply because it re-integrated me with ME, IN THE LIGHT OF KNOWLEDGE.

By that, I mean that the influence and attraction of enlightenment, festivals, darshan, Knowledge and BLISS have become part of ME.. as much as my childhood toys.. and I am not going to deny the good times which I felt around M. He certainly had a huge and a dis-orientating effect on my life.. but now I am gradually orienting again, taking the reins back.. and i would urge you all not to dismiss anything that you want to keep hold of.

I still have favourite photos of M in my study... not because of him, but because i think they are groovy and I still like having him around.

Psychologically worrying ? Sure. But whose business is it but mine ? And when i change my mind... they will head for the bin like all the other rubbish . They are a statement of independance against premiedom and ex-premiedom alike.

I will take this process at my own pace... lets take control and own and savour the process every step of the way.

I think when its time to move on, you will know.

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Date: Tues, Nov 06, 2001 at 11:43:48 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: loaf
Subject: All Roads lead to the Chip Shop..
Message:
thanks loaf,

We all do it in our own way and our own time.

Hooray for freedom.

anth the gently down the stream.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 13:04:36 (EST)
From: GGG
Email: None
To: loaf
Subject: Re: My Life as a Rotting Vegetable.
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 11:34:18 (EST)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: GGG
Subject: ..erm hello ? [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:30:34 (EST)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: loaf
Subject: PS about the pics...
Message:
I read back what i had written.. and I was scared that you might all throw your shoes at me... so i am going to try and explain my way out of a hole..

I know that is also because i have grown accustomed to having a picture of a human to glance towards... but I dont look at any of them more than TWICE a MONTH.

I am Cutting back. I used to be a 40 a day man.

The other ameliorating factor, your honour, is that they would leave a space on my wall... and there are ONLY Three of them now. In my hey day I would take that many away with me on holiday.

I have also tried listening to Charnanand and the Holy Jesters less on my walkman. For a while it was the only tape I would ever listen to.. now i am well sorted with Whitney spears and all sorts of Yoof music.

In my final defence i should like to state that I havnt watched anything but porn videos for the past few weeks... and short fat blokes do nothing for me now.. garlanded or not.

Not bad after 20 years of advanced Darshan fever eh !

loaf

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 16:45:52 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: And to think you almost got to be an FA!
Message:
Don't worry about the pics, Loaf. There are many levels of membership in the ex-premie cult. Takes a little time to work your way down, though.
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 16:45:51 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: And to think you almost got to be an FA!
Message:
Don't worry about the pics, Loaf. There are many levels of membership in the ex-premie cult. Takes a little time to work your way down, though.
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 08:13:37 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: Hi Loaf
Message:
Hi Loaf
Do you think you could e mail me please. Your e mail address doesn't work.
Love Magiclara
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 08:50:28 (EST)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: magiclara
Subject: oooh.. it doesnt ?? [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 10:46:36 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: Re: oooh.. it doesnt ??
Message:
Doesn't what Loaf? I forgot to put the e mail address if that is what you mean it's magiclara@hotmail.com Hope to hear from you.
Love magiclara
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 11:28:33 (EST)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: magiclara
Subject: I meant oooh my email doesnt work ?! OT [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 13:36:57 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: Gotyer mail thanks. Have replied NT
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 11:56:01 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: Re: I meant oooh my email doesnt work ?! OT
Message:
Hi Loaf
One of the exes from down south is coming up for a visit and was hoping to meet you and n and m but it is all short notice and I am not sure if n and m are around or busy. Maybe you could let me have your e mail address (the one I have doesn't work) and I could try mailing you or if you fancy it we could make arrangments at RE. Just a thought.
Love magiclara
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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 17:15:16 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: All
Subject: I've finally made it
Message:
A long time ago I remember complaining on F4 or 5 that other posters here got serious abuse from premies but I never did. I felt like an outsider. I didn't belong.

Well, now I feel good. I'm being seriously verbally abused over on LG, so I know I'm now a bona fide member of the EPO cult.

When do I get my certificate?

John the abused.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 00:22:14 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek & barney
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: JHB: The few and the proud and
Message:
slightly insane for sticking around to take more and more. But, weren't we well trained as devotees of the living Lardball?
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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 21:01:57 (EST)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Sorry guv, were right out of parrots [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 20:01:01 (EST)
From: such
Email: bananas@doormats.com/mies
To: JHB
Subject: uh, you hafta take a number
Message:
and stand in the abused line now - maybe. har har har

btw, you might wanna take da phlegmie 'kick me' sign offa yer back, too. what are dey pwacticing over dere, anyway?! ['cause it sure ain't 'knowledge.']

i thought marji was supposed 2 b sucha fodder to us all... but jest look at all dose rotten phlegmie vegetables. 'ooh, dat smell...'

P+L,

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 19:07:21 (EST)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: congrats JHB nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 18:25:47 (EST)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: JHB
Subject: You forgot to say (OT)!
Message:
Senor FA, please,

Things are getting out of hand around here. First Catweasel, now this so-called Latvian bloke with a paranoia about 'LG' coming after him. Never mind ****, you might as well uncensor Gerry. It'll be flying saucers next ;)

Can you tell me where we're headin'? (Lincoln County Road or Armageddon... de, dum, de dum...)

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 17:49:07 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: John, you Latvian recluse!
Message:
With the questionable personal life - as hinted at by SC... (sheesh, SC - John is pretty squeaky clean - as compared to me, anyway - and my life is pretty normal by today's standards!).

Seriously, John, I find it rather pathetic that people need to hint that working a farm in Latvia is somehow scandalous - and that being webmaster of ex-premie.org equals being the promulgator of defamatory lies. What would they do with something REALLY scandalous?!

Love,
Katie

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 18:04:07 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Stop libelling me!
Message:
Katie,

Your accusation that I work a farm suggests I'm actually earning money from my 100 acres. May I just make it perfectly clear that I have not received a single santim, cent, penny from my land, hence the need for a job. Farmer indeed.....

John the failed farmer before he even got started

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 19:37:10 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: JHB the librarian
Message:
Jim and Deb can't read LG so I brought this over so they can understand what you and Katie are talking about.

SC: ''Do you guys know what John Braun looks like, where he lives and what he spends most of his days doing?

Well, you know the last one. A librarian for the internet's smallest library!!

The other two I aspects of his personal life will not pursue out of compassion for the man. But you can rest assured...the big picture one gets of this fellow leads to only one conclusion...

...one sad lonely waste of a human life!!

That's why I don't even bother with him.''

Actually I always wondered why you were not attacked by CAC. Well, now I know - they can't be bothered with you. ;)

Let's face it, John, you absolutely deserve what you are getting on LG. You never stop needling them and are so godammed persistent. You're driving all five of it's posters (CD, CW, SC, Mili and Bjorne) nuts.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:09:11 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: LOL (nt)
Message:
no tea, plenty of Horlicks
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 04:22:10 (EST)
From: CW
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: JHB the librarian
Message:
Actually I dont have a problem with John> I find him quite reasonable and courteous. For the record...
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:15:05 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: CW
Subject: Cat, did you check with your monitor.
Message:
Cat, did you check with your monitor if it was OK to post on this topic.

I know you' sometimes need guidance with things like this. (You told me you, 'were asked' not to post on to topic of Jagdeo's whereabouts.)

So, who pulls your chain Cat? Or do you get paid for it?

Anth, laughing all the way into the sunset.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 09:14:39 (EST)
From: Blind Melon Catweasel
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Dont lay no boogie Woogie
Message:
Anth
I was referring to the Federal Police. Capiche? Now make up your mind -either I am the monitor or your just an ole windbag! I'm really quite amused by the deep level of total paranoia exhibited here,actually it's pretty sad.
It's like sitting in a room full of schizoid paranoics on Acid and someone , usually you or Pat says 'Look over there;IT'S THE BOOGIE MAN'
You damn tootin it is!! - and 12 bar blues all the way to Bourbon St is the way I'm travelling.
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 16:23:19 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Blind Melon Catweasel
Subject: Do I have this right, Cat?
Message:
Cat,

Are you saying that the Australian Federal Police have told you not to tell anyone where Jagdeo is?

First, how is it you know? That's the first question.

But second, are you actually saying that you know something that even EV doesn't know? Remember, the people that are trying to find Jagdeo to serve him with this supposed lawsuit they were bragging about?

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 17:11:07 (EST)
From: CW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Do I have this right, Cat?
Message:
I am saying you seem to have regained your ability to read the English language. That's my last word on it. Finito . Goodbye Counseller. Get back to your real job . You have a verifiable history of protecting Pedophiles, murderers and rapists from prosecution.
Too much Grandstanding from you here on this one. What EV chooses to do or has in train is none of MY business.
I refuse to be any further part of your ill-founded and very unfortunate Publicity campaign on this issue, a campaign which is of absolutely no value to the victims and one that will ultimately cause real damage to them.
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 17:16:42 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: CW
Subject: Oh you're so funny!
Message:
Cat,

You're really too much. A bit of a self-caricature thing you've got going on there, huh? Surely!

Listen, EV claims they don't know where Jagdeo is. You claim that you've got info but that the Aussie Fed's asked you to shut up about it. Are you saying that you're withholding even THAT info from EV? Now why would you do that? And why should anyone believe you?

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 17:43:35 (EST)
From: CW
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Reprise
Message:
Last word I said. You have to understand Jim. I actually do not care what you think. Cheers.
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 19:54:12 (EST)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: CW
Subject: Re: Reprise
Message:
So why open your mouth in the first place if you don't want your obviously delicate-yet-significant role and insider knowledge in this matter 'grandstanded' amongst the people you trust the least?

You make no sense, Cat - your various claims don't fit either with each other, nor with what others already know and EV claims not to know - and your squirming here looks like a desperate damage-limitation thing. I can see why you want everyone to shut up about it now, and it has nothing to do with sensitivity for Jagdeo's victims. It's embarrassment, pure and simple. Maybe you should have shut up before you started...

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 16:22:10 (EST)
From: Long John Baldry
Email: None
To: Blind Melon Catweasel
Subject: Re: Dont lay no boogie Woogie
Message:
Anth
I was referring to the Federal Police. Capiche? Now make up your mind -either I am the monitor or your just an ole windbag! I'm really quite amused by the deep level of total paranoia exhibited here,actually it's pretty sad.
It's like sitting in a room full of schizoid paranoics on Acid and someone , usually you or Pat says 'Look over there;IT'S THE BOOGIE MAN'
You damn tootin it is!! - and 12 bar blues all the way to Bourbon St is the way I'm travelling.


---

Actually Bourbon Street is the home of Dixieland (jazz). Not to say you can't boogie there but you sure are just whistlin' Dixie you old windbag.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 17:13:50 (EST)
From: CW
Email: None
To: Long John Baldry
Subject: Re: Dont lay no boogie Woogie
Message:
Seeing whether you were awake.Try a little of the drop up on Chicago's southside.
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 22:31:20 (EST)
From: king of rot 'n' troll
Email: None
To: CW
Subject: Re: Dont lay no boogie Woogie
Message:
You see your honour I was proceeding in a easterly direction from the precinct and I happened upon this rather dishevelled fellow playing a kind of boodgie woodgie music .......... cat don't wipe yer whiskers on the backside of the king of bait 'n switch
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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 19:50:16 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Yes, and it made me angry
Message:
John LOOKS a lot like one of my best friends, who incidentally is from a small dairy farm in the U.S. (except my friend does not have glasses).

John 'spends his days' working on a 100 A farm. I don't consider this a 'sad lonely waste of a human life'. Neither do the other agronomists I work with.

Someone on Lifes Great has obviously got an urban bias - or some other kinda bias.

Glad I didn't get profiled on CAC! I can just imagine the "sad waste of a human life" I would be....

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 19:41:44 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Thanks Pat
Message:
Gee their back to their CAC games. What a lovely bunch of running scared cultists. THe stupidity is insurmountable. Yeah, yeah, JOE, I know they aren't REALLY stupid. ;)
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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 20:04:33 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Katie and Deb
Message:
Katie, there's that old saying that you see your own faults in others. Have you noticed how often both Cacweasel and SC call people sad fucks?

Deb, they are stupid. Shrewdy and conniving maybe but not smart. Like rawat and most stupid people, they think everyone is stupider than them.

But of course we are dumb to them. We don't KNOW what they know - the knowledge of all knowledges. Yeah right - like I was never a premie and one of those who really meditated not just pretended to. I know all right and it ain't what it's sold as.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 04:19:13 (EST)
From: CW
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: Katie and Deb
Message:
Trash, Pat, Trash... I dont see people that way.Half the time its couched in answering the Tirade of abuse emmanating from here.
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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 18:24:48 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Hey - stop there!
Message:
I know a LOT of farmers who don't make a cent off of their farms (it's a common malady in the U.S. these days...) My advice to everyone who thinks it might be romantic or cool to have a small farm is NO!

But I don't think I'm libelling you, am I? You do work, don't you?

:)
Katie

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 17:48:03 (EST)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: I've finally made it
Message:
I got serious abuse from a premie as a non-anything, even before I posted at FV (and after as well, from both 'sides' at the same time), and I never got a certificate ... why should you? ;)
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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 02:53:00 (EST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Thanks, Stonor
Message:
I got serious abuse from a premie as a non-anything, even before I posted at FV (and after as well, from both 'sides' at the same time), and I never got a certificate ... why should you? ;)


---

That's right,

I remember when I first turned up here you were attracting some serious heat for your lack of ahem knowledge. I have to say I kept my head down about never having been a premie as a result! Not that I lied, but I was discrete -- I emailed a couple of exes to let them know; dropped hints about not really having much right to be here; and only explicity 'came out' way down in the threads.

They really went for you back then, didn't they? I feel you kind of took heat that would have come my way, otherwise, so many thanks.

Lately, for some reason the heat has gone out of the charge. It just doesn't seem to matter so much any more. Perhaps because, well, it really does look as if knowledge just doesn't make a difference.

Not with Rawat behind it. He really is quite useless!

JohnT
- never a premie

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Date: Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 17:48:59 (EST)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Thanks, JohnT
Message:
It makes me very happy that we've finally begun to understand each other a little bit. I replied to one of your posts at AG a while ago, but I think you missed it. And thanks to Deborah for recently here, although not to me specifically, explaining where you are coming from. Nothing makes me happier than misunderstandings being straightened out! Thank you for your post.

Love,

Anna

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 18:00:42 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: You deserve one as well [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 21:19:52 (EST)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: You're doing a great job, John ...
Message:
As I've said a number of times, I don't know where some exes get the patience. I can't 'talk' with premies anymore, if you can call it that! ;)

I admire you efforts and patience as you try to help others to escape from the Marshmallow Kid's cult, as well as your work in maintaining EPO. (I also really admire your hard work at your day job, even if it's not turning a huge profit - in fact, all the better! ;)

Wishing you all the best!

Anna

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 17:50:33 (EST)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: You get the 'non-anything' certificate :)
Message:
From me, at least - whatever that's worth...

It's really hard to post as a non-anything - something I hope people keep in mind here.

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 21:22:14 (EST)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Thanks Katie, but ...
Message:
it's kind of become a moot point over time. But what an education I got, from everyone, and on so many different levels!

Love,

Anna

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 19:19:02 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Re: You get the 'non-anything' certificate :)
Message:
Hi Katie, Hii Stonor

Barry seems to be doing a good job. Did you see his cartoons.

Clarity clear as a bell and funny to boot.

Take care, I'll be sending you an email soon.

So Stonor, do you think the premies are actually condoning the status of non-premies. Interesting dilemma, I'd say.

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 21:30:25 (EST)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: I still can't 'see' any Barry's stuff ...
Message:
No matter what I try.

Deb, I really don't understand what you're asking me at the bottom ... clue me in ... please! ;)

Wait a minute ... no, I think ... I first posted to Deputy Dog (long story), and he tried to get me to try 'k'. Talk about passive-aggressive, but I wasn't familiar with the term at that time. It's in the archives, end of Feb. 2000. That was after a couple of months of the same with Mili via email, until he became overt-aggressive. All the premies I've talked with except Elaine tried to get me to join the cult, and that was the only reason they sometimes 'talked' with me. Although some (all except Elaine and Sandy) got really angry with me sooner or later, Mike Fronk was always really rude. It's a long story, but I hope I sort of answered your question.

And please let me know when you finally meet Helen! I haven't seen her in about 8? years!

Love,

Anna

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 21:42:21 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Stonor
Subject: Re: I still can't 'see' any Barry's stuff ...
Message:
Hi Anna,

Deb, I really don't understand what you're asking me at the bottom ... clue me in ... please! ;)

Okay, I'll 'splain.

I's interesting that the posts that premies give to JohnT also say the same kind of remark. Ironically, the premies don't relate to us as well, but although they are self-imposed enemies and Hate us (not all) they still resort to that line. It's like the need to identify. The premies shouldn't get mad at you for not wanting you hear about K. But you threaten their reality by not allowing yourself to be convinced. They claim they are sooooo happy. Well, why do they need other premies. Because as more people come aboard, the more it confirms their reality that there is something real or worthwhile.

Now, exes are premies who KNOW better. We KNOW Maha is a fraud and that K-techniques are a Hindu parlour trick. But at least we had it? See? So, it debases you to NOT to have ever rec'd it at all. THe exes just squandered the divine gift. You were never hip enough or blessed.

So, in their minds, (pun intended) you are even worse than us.

Weird, eh?

Yes, I'm going go visit Helen on Tuesday or Wednesday. Once we establish contact, I'm sure we'll visit often. So, i'll keep you abreast of our conversations. No Problem there.

Hope that helps. Reg: Barry's cartoons. You need to ask the Mac people or borrow someone's computer. They really are quite funny. Or, I could you like to send them to you as an attachment.

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 21:55:50 (EST)
From: Stonor
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Yes, fascinating, isn't it?
Message:
Not that that's what I understood! ;) But I think I'd say 'pathetic' or 'cultic' rather than weird! I often challenged their beliefs but, as you said, I hadn't even ever received 'k', so I really had no clue at all, right? ;) Lots of other stuff, but it was quite a while ago, thankfully! :)

Wrt Helen ... I'M JEALOUS!!! She's great, really! I'm sure you'll enjoy your meeting. And there really is no need to let me know all that you talk about ... if my conversations with her are any indication, I know it will be far-flung and the angels will be in the details! ()))

Hope the 'Homer' went well, and I will never forget the baby carriage going down all those steps, will you?

Love,

Anna

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 13:23:08 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Best of Forum section updated
Message:
Including Pam's memoirs etc.

still a lot to catch up .....
[ PWKs attacks over the Internet ]

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 16:08:41 (EST)
From: ****
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Jeanan-michel
Message:
Let's make a new ashram. Maybe La-ex would like it again.
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:07:39 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: ****
Subject: Am I missing something here?
Message:
Let's make a new ashram. Maybe La-ex would like it again.


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Is this an 'in joke', or just an ordinary joke but you forgot to type the punchline.

I counted the syllables and it's not Haiku.

Who are you and what the fuck are you on about?

Anth, let's go to Skegness, maybe **** will do some retrospective origami.

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 13:29:39 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Re: Best of Forum section updated
Message:
Good work, John. Thanks.

But what's a 'lats drip'?

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 15:36:48 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: That's lats fat's last
Message:
I'm sure there are plenty of typos everywhere .......
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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 14:48:41 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Credit to J-M not me/Lats Drip
Message:
Jim,

Jean-Michel updates the Best Of so please thank him instead.

I too was amused by the 'lats drip' type as the Lats is the national currency of Latvia, and I must confess they do keeping dripping through my hands, to the extent that I'm seriously thinking about getting a job:-(

John.

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 14:09:14 (EST)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You've obviously never had any latvian beer (nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:01:15 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: He has and you were there.
Message:
John has had lots of Latvian beer Ham. In fact you were there. Unfortunately you were laying on the floor with your eyes shut most of the time. You did roll over once and... well, lets not put people off their lunch.

I think Jethro carried you home that night.

Anth the Zelta Head.

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Date: Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 06:12:57 (EST)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Err anth I was speaking to jim
Message:
and if I missed the fact that jim was there that night, then I have got a problem!

You knobblehead!

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 15:31:09 (EST)
From: such
Email: banana@4whatalesthee.com/mie
To: hamzen
Subject: Kabeer drunk to last drip; case of Rumitism [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 12:06:09 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: The LAST Throwup topic on PCT
Message:
I didn't notice this before but here is the last (and first) 'Speakup' topic from PleaseConsiderThis.com. Only three answers, all lame:

What negative allegations being made about Maharaji and Knowledge do you most disagree with and why?

Any and all of the allegations. We are all human beings and we all make mistakes. Maharaji does a remarkable job in reminding me to be aware of the essence of this life and rekindling the passion for this awareness. He suits me just fine, and I am grateful to have him around.

Bella Houser

Non-answer, Bella. If this were a contest your entry would be disqualified. Next?


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The allegation that Knowledge doesn't work. I first heard about Maharaji and Knowledge in October 1972 and received the techniques three days later. The following day I left the city and did not talk to another person about Maharaji and Knowledge for three months. I was on my own. No brainwashing, no pressure, no contact. After practising the techniques a few times I became intrigued with the experience they revealed and the feeling that developed. So I practised more. 29 years later I'm still intrigued and still enjoying the feeling that develops.

Derek Harper

Is this Catweasel? Am I supposed to know that? Anyway, stupid straw man argument. No one says that 'Knowledge' isn't as good a meditation style as any to relax a bit. But to really 'work' Knowledge would have to be able to lead someone to God realization. Beyond the karmic cycle of life-and-death. To liberation. Put another way, Knowledge was supposed to be an antidote to the mind and the pathway to a mythical state of consciousness of 'satchitanand' where one simultaneously enjoys perfect truth -- you finally understand it all, perfect consciousness -- transcending your own individual ego, you're merged with the infinite divine consciousness within all things, animate, inanimate, everything, and bliss -- perfect, unassailable happiness. Indeed, we were told that some people, Maharaji and his Holy Family for instance, were already enjoying Knowledge at that profound level. Hell, even the great saints, or Mahatmas, who followed him, people like Gurucharanand, Jagdeo, Trebinanand, Padarthanand, Parlokanand, Adharanand, Tejeshwaranand and many others were living proof that Knowledge 'worked'. Of course that was all a lie.


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That this is a 'cult'. People looking for a cult will be acutely disappointed, as there is a scarcity of 'rules' in his teachings. Maharaji himself frequently invites those who hear him speak to eat what they want, wear what they want, get married or not, practice any religion (or no religion), practice Knowledge or not as they want, etc. The only exhortation from him is to enjoy our lives. The freedom to choose is mine.

Carol Ryan

Another straw man, not to mention inaccurate, argument. First, it doesn't matter that you can eat what you want. Second, Maharaji does indeed 'exhort' his followers to do much, much more than enjoy life. If that's all he was saying, he'd just say it once and be done with it. He'd be no more significant than a Christmas card. But he says a lot more. He exhorts his followers to continue to follow him, first and foremost. Everything else is in the details.

So this is it? For years premies have been complaining about all the inaccurate and unfair negative allegations against Maharaji but then, when invited to actually discuss them in their own protected environment, this is all they can come up with??

Pathetic, isn't it?

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Date: Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 13:53:22 (EST)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Beautiful satsang, Jim
Message:
Your description of what Knowledge was originally sold as:

No one says that 'Knowledge' isn't as good a meditation style as any to relax a bit. But to really 'work' Knowledge would have to be able to lead someone to God realization. Beyond the karmic cycle of life-and-death. To liberation. Put another way, Knowledge was supposed to be an antidote to the mind and the pathway to a mythical state of consciousness of 'satchitanand' where one simultaneously enjoys perfect truth -- you finally understand it all, perfect consciousness -- transcending your own individual ego, you're merged with the infinite divine consciousness within all things, animate, inanimate, everything, and bliss -- perfect, unassailable happiness. Indeed, we were told that some people, Maharaji and his Holy Family for instance, were already enjoying Knowledge at that profound level. Hell, even the great saints, or Mahatmas, who followed him, people like Gurucharanand, Jagdeo, Trebinanand, Padarthanand, Parlokanand, Adharanand, Tejeshwaranand and many others were living proof that Knowledge 'worked'. Of course that was all a lie.

Of course nowadays it's only ''a possibilty'' or ''the closest you will come to immortality'' or some other equally fatuous gibberish.

Interesting that a notorious drunkard should object to the allegation that Knowledge does not work because it does for him. Oh, of course, it's because he is simply emulating his master. Maybe booze is the sixth technique, right after the tongue in cheek one.

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