Ex-Premie Forum 7 Archive
From: Jan 23, 2002 To: Jan 27, 2002 Page: 5 of: 5


gerry -:- the demise of the lil swami -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:19:47 (EST)
__ anon -:- please read the epilogue [nt] -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 13:11:50 (EST)
__ __ uk soldier -:- Re: please read the epilogue -:- Sat, Jan 26, 2002 at 04:20:09 (EST)
__ Tonette -:- Well, that takes the cake -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 09:32:34 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Well, I guess I needed to cry, but... -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 09:46:03 (EST)
__ __ __ Tonette -:- No, you didn't need that Cynthia -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 10:51:43 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: No, you didn't need that Cynthia -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 11:59:39 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Tonette...about that poetry contest... -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:18:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Stop the press -- here's a REAL contender! -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 21:02:01 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia--all I can say is: -:- OH MY GAWD())())()) [nt] -:- Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 10:24:27 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- I know jan buchalter -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 21:37:01 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- Well, I voted and John voted for Redneck -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:29:37 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Well, blow me over with a feather! [nt] -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 16:41:53 (EST)
__ Vicki -:- Phew! -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:46:21 (EST)
__ anon -:- see retirement party post [nt] -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:56:45 (EST)
__ salam -:- Re: the demise of the lil swami -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 17:08:30 (EST)
__ PatD -:- Re: the demise of the lil swami -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 16:12:07 (EST)
__ Moley -:- Re: the demise of the lil swami -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:37:42 (EST)
__ PatC -:- Bad boy, suchabanana -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:24:35 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- It wasn't obvious to me... -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:53:23 (EST)
__ __ __ Livia -:- Re: It wasn't obvious to me... -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 16:31:17 (EST)
__ __ __ __ JohnT -:- He made MrsT cry! -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 16:48:55 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ PatC: LOL, JohnT, ...it did seem -:- a little odd that a chap should die on line -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 17:10:42 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- Swami's last words from Beyond... -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 18:58:24 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ LOLoaf -:- I did actually laugh out loud gerry :) [nt] -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:15:03 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Nigel -:- Listen MB... (such) -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 20:42:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Worse than that, I actually cried -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 20:58:09 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ magiclara -:- I cried too. -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:15:24 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- There was nothing ambiguous about it -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:43:44 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Jim...OT -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 16:23:51 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ PatD -:- Re: Jim...OT -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 20:03:38 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ magiclara -:- Re: There was nothing ambiguous about it -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 13:03:36 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: I cried too. -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:22:09 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- Suchabanana's hoax -:- Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 04:57:02 (EST)

Francesca -:- Thought for the day :~) -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:52:33 (EST)
__ magiclara -:- Re: Thought for the day :~) -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:24:35 (EST)
__ PatD -:- Re: Thought for the day :~) -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:14:48 (EST)
__ __ Bai Ji -:- They don't spoil a Couple?Please explain.(nt) -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 07:12:40 (EST)
__ __ __ PatD -:- Re: They don't spoil a Couple?Please explain.(nt) -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:32:57 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Bai Ji -:- Ahh!..Thanks Pat D for the explanation.(nt) -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 20:24:49 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Francesca :~) -:- Thanks, LOVE that saying -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 14:20:31 (EST)
__ __ janet -:- as they say over her: -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 20:47:30 (EST)
__ __ __ Francesca -:- Bollixshwar, the czar of car -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:11:36 (EST)

magiclara -:- How watching a video of rawat made me feel. -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:48:58 (EST)
__ Kelly -:- Get well soon Mags -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:27:40 (EST)
__ __ Jethro -:- Re: Get well soon Mags -:- Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 01:31:18 (EST)
__ __ magiclara -:- Hi Kelly -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:48:26 (EST)
__ __ __ Kelly -:- watch out for Nigel -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 15:42:30 (EST)
__ Joe -:- I know the feeling -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 18:00:35 (EST)
__ __ magiclara -:- bone idle -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 18:58:25 (EST)
__ __ __ PatC -:- bone idle - like trying to fold gravy? -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:34:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ magiclara -:- Re: bone idle - like trying to fold gravy? -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:53:40 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Loaf -:- I love you maggs :) [nt] -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:30:37 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ magiclara -:- Thank you very glad Loaf .nt -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:00:10 (EST)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Brit Comedy Night On PBS (OT) -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:20:21 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Vicki -:- Are You Being Served?? -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 09:55:30 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- The 'cheese police'??? Blimey ... -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 14:48:31 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Vicki -:- Re: The 'cheese police'??? Blimey ... -:- Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 01:12:10 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Where'd my text go? have we got mice? -:- Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 07:15:00 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Vicki -:- But it was stilton -:- Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 01:06:37 (EST)
__ __ __ __ janet -:- 'are you being served'!!!! yeah! -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 20:58:45 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Vicki -:- Re: 'are you being served'!!!! yeah! -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 10:08:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ magiclara -:- Re: Brit Comedy Night On PBS (OT) -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:33:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Re: Brit Comedy Night On PBS (OT) -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 23:21:55 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Bai Ji -:- Re: Brit Comedy Night On PBS (OT) -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 07:30:29 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Loaf -:- Six feet under is brill ! -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:20:32 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Queer as Folk? -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 11:59:37 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- Re: Queer as Folk? -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:57:25 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- American Queer as Folk?? -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 13:48:34 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- Re: American Queer as Folk????? -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 14:17:39 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- Was called 'This life', I think [nt] -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 16:14:09 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- I don't think that's been on here -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 18:07:58 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Loaf -:- Six feet under is brill ! -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:20:24 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Loaf -:- I didnt post it twice... honestly !! :o -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:32:08 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ 123 -:- Re: I didnt post it twice... honestly !! :o -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 19:18:33 (EST)
__ Kev -:- Re: How watching a video of rawat made me feel. -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 16:29:19 (EST)
__ Moley -:- Re: How watching a video of rawat made me feel. -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:16:20 (EST)
__ __ magiclara -:- There has been an improvement -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:45:01 (EST)
__ __ __ Moley -:- Re: There has been an improvement -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 16:31:46 (EST)
__ PatC -:- Thanks for your report, Mags -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:11:03 (EST)
__ __ magiclara -:- Thanks Pat -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:56:27 (EST)

Angela -:- Dear God, hold me together here -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:48:10 (EST)
__ Cynthia -:- I know who you posted as.... -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:16:05 (EST)
__ Tonette -:- You're in a fix, allright -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 10:42:14 (EST)
__ Vicki -:- Re: Dear God, hold me together here -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 23:54:01 (EST)
__ AJW -:- Proof is not enough Angela. -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 22:17:50 (EST)
__ Deborah -:- See the movie, 'The Inner Circle' -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:00:06 (EST)
__ Steve Mueller -:- Re: Dear God, hold me together here -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 16:15:00 (EST)
__ __ Angela -:- Re: Dear God, hold me together here -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 17:50:15 (EST)
__ Richard -:- Re: Dear God, hold me together here -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:15:38 (EST)
__ __ JHB -:- Richard, Please Email me -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 18:57:10 (EST)
__ __ __ Richard -:- Tried, but it bounced back -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 11:51:03 (EST)
__ Moley -:- Re: Dear God, hold me together here -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:12:17 (EST)
__ __ Kelly -:- Calling Nottingham bunny! -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:52:18 (EST)
__ __ __ Nottingham Bunny -:- John Macgegor -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 18:02:12 (EST)

magiclara -:- -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:47:18 (EST)

zoloft -:- Flying lessons -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:37:31 (EST)
__ Deborah -:- Ha ha ha ha ha, shit this made me laugh -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 22:42:48 (EST)
__ __ Lesley -:- me too, very funny, welcome nt -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:46:34 (EST)
__ JHB -:- Brilliant, Zoloft! -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:06:17 (EST)

gerry -:- Oh Horse Whappy, Sucha -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:16:00 (EST)
__ anon -:- see Retirement Party post below [nt] -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:54:10 (EST)
__ __ anon -:- then read: the epilogue, please [nt] -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 13:15:03 (EST)
__ Marshall -:- Clarification is called for here. -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:22:30 (EST)
__ Mirror -:- Re: Oh Horse Whappy, Sucha -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:11:10 (EST)
__ Moley -:- Jesus Gerry - wots goin on? -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:23:05 (EST)
__ __ Tonette -:- Me too! OMG! Have a drink too Moley. -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:30:30 (EST)
__ __ __ Moley -:- Re: Me too! OMG! Have a drink too Moley. -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:45:00 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- I'm with you, Moley and Tonette... -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 13:59:54 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Moley -:- Love to you too Cynth -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:15:31 (EST)
__ __ __ gerry -:- I'm responding on the Forum... -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:43:37 (EST)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- Re: I'm responding on the Forum... -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:59:25 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Suicide -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 22:31:30 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- LOLOL Anth...thanks [nt] -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 09:48:25 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Suicide -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 22:31:30 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- His name? Suchabanana Split? (nt) -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 13:16:58 (EST)

Swami Suchabanana -:- To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat: -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:44:50 (EST)
__ Kelly -:- Goodnight sweet swami, -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:04:58 (EST)
__ Abi -:- sweet Such... -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:52:46 (EST)
__ Dermot -:- Re: To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat: -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 17:04:40 (EST)
__ Bai Ji -:- Swamiji,,What do you mean? -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 16:44:47 (EST)
__ Carl -:- Gee, Such, this is sudden sad news -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:32:03 (EST)
__ Susan -:- suchabanana -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:31:53 (EST)
__ Gregg -:- the speed of light -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:15:28 (EST)
__ Chris -:- Re: To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat: -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 13:29:11 (EST)
__ Joe -:- Choosing to be optimistic -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 13:22:18 (EST)
__ housemum -:- I love you, Such. (nt) -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 13:18:00 (EST)
__ Maria -:- Such I never knew you, but . . . -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 13:00:25 (EST)
__ Cynthia -:- Dear Suchabanana... -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:37:17 (EST)
__ Ulf -:- Re: To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat: -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:12:56 (EST)
__ wolfie -:- Re: To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat: -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:55:48 (EST)
__ Jim -:- God, Such! -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:53:29 (EST)
__ magiclara -:- Re: To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat: -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:51:29 (EST)
__ Loaf -:- Oh Suchie.. I didnt even know u were ill :( -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:40:56 (EST)
__ Pullaver -:- To Such a Great Soul -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:15:54 (EST)
__ __ Richard -:- Say it ain't so Swami Ji -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:40:34 (EST)
__ __ __ Deborah -:- Maharajese: From the beg-ig-ning [nt] -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 22:56:10 (EST)
__ __ __ Moley -:- Such - I'm gonna save your post -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:57:08 (EST)
__ bill -:- Re: To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat: -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 10:42:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ bill, more hobbit than troll -:- I like all your posts Tonette [nt] -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:25:13 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- You have one over on me then..... -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:23:58 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ bill -:- Re: You have one over on me then..... -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:58:42 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- OMG! Don't you dare. -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:39:38 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Tonette... -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 16:38:41 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ bill -:- I was referring to my posts [nt] -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:51:11 (EST)
__ JohnT -:- Death, be not proud -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 09:02:17 (EST)
__ the unknown soldier -:- Re: To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat: -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 05:28:25 (EST)
__ __ Brian Smith -:- We shall gather at the forum -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 09:27:14 (EST)
__ Tonette -:- I'm really going to miss you. -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 05:09:42 (EST)
__ __ Vicki -:- you bring tears. -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 08:48:29 (EST)
__ __ __ Joy -:- Dear Such (my all-time favorite anon moniker) -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:08:50 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Anandaji -:- Peace and lentils -:- Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 13:00:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ channeling... suchabanana: -:- Thanks for the retirement party! -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:07:30 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ PatD -:- Supercilious Motherfucker eat shit !!! [nt] -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 19:41:04 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- Slightly displeased Pat D? :) -:- Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 21:24:09 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Epilogue: -:- Dedicated to all those who -:- Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 13:07:09 (EST)


Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:19:47 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: All
Subject: the demise of the lil swami
Message:
For all you who voted for the figurative 'death' of a 'pen name' win a Quewpie doll and the rest of us can breath a collective sigh of relief.

The man behind the Swami Suchabanana is indeed taking a Forum Sabbatical to deal with pressing worldly matters.

The rumors of his demise are greatly exaggerated, even though he started the rumors himself...

gerry--only slightly pissed and greatly relieved

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 13:11:50 (EST)
From: anon
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: please read the epilogue [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Sat, Jan 26, 2002 at 04:20:09 (EST)
From: uk soldier
Email: None
To: anon
Subject: Re: please read the epilogue
Message:
a rotten teacher for sure !!!!!
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 09:32:34 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Well, that takes the cake
Message:
What a cruel and juvenile joke Such played on me/us.

I gathered from reading his very long, emotional and 'sincere' post that he was diagnosed with some sort of condition that was going to lead, in the not too distant future, to his death. He talked about making ammends, not too much time left, and the sands of the hourglass running out. I figured that meant Such had to get his 'worldly' affairs in order. I know that if I was dying I would be tying up loose ends.

I don't find Such's joke funny at all. In fact it was cruel. To play with my mind and HEART in that way is juvenile at best but mostly cruel. What a dirty trick! Maybe he did learn something from the Master that he needs to unlearn.

To make a fool of me, to put the joke on me via my concern and affection is not at all funny.

I want an apology, but judging from his 'retirement post' down below I'm not likely to get one. In fact, Such thinks it's kind of funny.
I've never met him, but he impresses me as the sort of person that would put a tack on your chair, watch you sit on it and get some real jollies from your injury.

It takes alot of energy, time and thought to read and post on this forum. I don't need any ex messing with my head and heart in the manner that Such did. God knows, I've had enough of that for a million lifetimes, courtesy of Maharaji and his minions. My trust and my opinion of the forum is down many notches because of this stunt.

What a jerk!

Tonette

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 09:46:03 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Well, I guess I needed to cry, but...
Message:
...I don't consider us ''just'' a bunch of characters here.

Some of us do post with our real names, have given out personal information...

O well...another lesson in how I cannot control others b)

I was kind of cruel, I thought he was close to death, regardless of the ''P.S.'' or worse, possibly suicidal.

Based on the responses, I don't think it was funny at all.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 10:51:43 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: No, you didn't need that Cynthia
Message:
You didn't need to cry, just like I didn't. Not over that nonsense.

It was cruel and very incoherant on Such's part. We aren't a bunch of lackeys, here on a joy ride, playing a game in cyberspace.

And you Cynthia, one of the most kind and loving people posting on the forum, deserve better!

The lesson I take from this little stunt is not one I would of chosen to learn. Beware and don't be too quick to trust people here. I'm wondering about Angela's thread below. Am I to invest myself in what might be essentially just spam? Is that healthy? Definately not a good choice, at the very least.

Ah well, I'll get over it but I have yet to laugh about it.

Love,
Tonette

ps you won the bad poet contest!

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 11:59:39 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Re: No, you didn't need that Cynthia
Message:
Thanks Tonette,

I needed that. You are so special to me. Hey, I've got your phone number--may I call you some time?

I won't post my number on the forum--I'm not that brave. Email me anytime, Tonette, I think you are one of the best here...sylviecyn@yahoo.com

Much love,
Cynthia

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:18:35 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Tonette...about that poetry contest...
Message:
Where does it say that I won?

I don't really care, but I couldn't find any voting booths:)

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 21:02:01 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Stop the press -- here's a REAL contender!
Message:
From ELK:

snowflakes

Thank-you for this joy. Thank-you for this freedom. Unrestricted,liberated.
Into an understanding that encompasses. Awareness has broken through
All the levels of limitation. A child needs to breathe in the light of this glory.
A simple story, tiniest flakes of snow land into our grounds, leaving clues.

Of how the smallest lightest and most silent speck can cause such an overall blanketed effect.
What an example of the most vulnerable, at a moments notice knowing it can melt,
Having the courage to forge ahead, and so many carried by the winds, they proclaim
For this short time, witness the magic, see us sparkle, go ahead sculpt, sled, ski, pelt

Your brethren in joyous abandon. See us deck your trees with beauty, your lakes
With a glossy reflective glare, see us elicit laughter from your children, smiles
Brought in communal appreciation for all that we have wrought. It is no mistake
That we have been made so fluffy, so sparkly, so unique. For endless miles

Our littlest effort can stop your maddening rush, so you can look at the wonder.
Knowing once again all is in perfect order. So for an instant our headlong rush,
Comes to remind, so you can have some fun, enjoy the sun and sky and us,
Your temporary friendly measure that arrives at your doorstep in such a quiet hush.

Jan Buchalter
New York

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Date: Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 10:24:27 (EST)
From: Cynthia--all I can say is:
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: OH MY GAWD())())()) [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 21:37:01 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I know jan buchalter
Message:
Gee, Disculta said she saw her and she looked a lot less devoted than her gopi bongo days. Jan donated pretty hefty and was never treated with respect from the honchos. Funny thing is, Maha's parables, if you listened and followed them faithfully, turned you into a bongo.

So Maha caused this behaviour, and than kept you as far away from him as possible. What a fuck-head.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:29:37 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Well, I voted and John voted for Redneck
Message:
But John got confused in that he quoted a stanza of my poem to redneck. Credited my words, my most beautiful, heart felt luded out and lewd(make no mistake) poetry (still laughing?) to redneck.
So John's vote is invalid. I voted and the ballots are in. You won!
So, going to submit your poem to life's great? If you have the time and inclination, I think you should, just for a lark.

You are welcome to call me. Vermont is on EST just like me. Or I'll call you. Send your number to my email. netguest42@yahoo.com
My phone is 301-229-8650, I'm not the easiest person to get ahold of, sorry. I'm on a weird schedule, DSL still isn't installed and I live with a teenager.

Isn't this exciting? I need some affection from the forum after a post like Such's.

Warmly,
Tonette

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 16:41:53 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Well, blow me over with a feather! [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:46:21 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Phew!
Message:
What a great relief! Well one thing's for sure, we all know how much we love the Suchabanana Man.

I for one am having quite enough dying of terminal illnesses around me to last a lifetime. I'm just glad
you are well, cheeky buggar that you are.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:56:45 (EST)
From: anon
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: see retirement party post [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 17:08:30 (EST)
From: salam
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: the demise of the lil swami
Message:
that what you get when you listen to crap.

Yeah yeah I know, I said I was going to post here anymore, how many times was that 30, no 40...........?B)

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 16:12:07 (EST)
From: PatD
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: the demise of the lil swami
Message:
you mean he hasn't been given months to live? that was certainly the impressrion I got 20mins ago switching on & reading . This is shit, I enjoy his posts but the bottom line here is trustr that people are telling the truth about themxelves , otherwise we might as well get the crystal balls out . Nice piece of emotional manipulation bananaskin. SHIT.
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:37:42 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: the demise of the lil swami
Message:
Jesus Christ Almighty. I've just read this after posting above. Still - at the very least - Such has done me a favour, by reminding me (however inadvertently!) of the transient nature of life on Earth ( as if there was any other :) ).

Moley, intending to suck every last drop out of the fruit of the tree
of knowledge (with a small 'k' needless to say!).

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:24:35 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Bad boy, suchabanana
Message:
Well, duh. It was obvious that the lil swami was just being dramatic - again but he still is very naughty because not everyone has his email and can check with him.

Anyway, such, I hope you don't drop all your penpals too just because you're taking a break form the forum.

Lots of love to you.

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:53:23 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: It wasn't obvious to me...
Message:
Very naughty such...no peas and lentils for a week!
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 16:31:17 (EST)
From: Livia
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: It wasn't obvious to me...
Message:
Don't know if I dare say this after all the drama, but when I read Such's long goodbye it never occurred for me for a moment that he had ben given weeks/months to live!! Must be something to do with English irony or something, I don't know. Then I read all the heartrending responses and thought 'Oh shit! Must have missed something here!' and started feeling really sad, cos he had seemed such a lovely, warmhearted, preceptive guy. Anyway, phew! Panic over! If you're reading this, Such, have a great sabbatical - you will be much missed.

With love, Livia XXX

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 16:48:55 (EST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Livia
Subject: He made MrsT cry!
Message:
I printed his mahasamadhi off for her. First she knew of him, just the writing did it for her.

In retrospect, it did seem a little odd that a chap should die on line, still typing. And then manage a postscript.

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 17:10:42 (EST)
From: PatC: LOL, JohnT, ...it did seem
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: a little odd that a chap should die on line
Message:
........still typing. And then manage a postscript.

Maybe such read too much Shakespeare or saw one too many operas.

Like Manon Lescaut dying in the deserts of Louisiana; ''Non voglio morire,'' (I don't want to die.) She sings that for 15 minutes, then dies and then rises from the dead for one more scream: ''Non voglio morir'.''

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 18:58:24 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: PatC: LOL, JohnT, ...it did seem
Subject: Swami's last words from Beyond...
Message:
Psychic Telegram - from Dharamsalad.lentils:

'Please -- Don't worry; be happy! The news of my demise is greatly exaggerated. Old soldiers never die -- they just fade off into the sunset... hohoho

But really, Thanks [and sorry] to anybody who might have actually been concerned, however. C'mon, awweddy, I am a character, after all, fer crying out lard! Yeah, I just cried watching this movie, too. But those actors are still around afterwards to get their checks and Oscars. Look, I'm just going to take my baragon and go into da cave, and go bleepin' full tilt boogie for a few yugas... 'cause sometimes dat's what I like -- and need to do. [really, ...Gabe has another big job for me...ssshhhh..]

So, if lil swami ever does kick the bucket, another shall appear in my place on the internet in a different form, God willing -- you'll see. But you shall know that person by - a real name.

Thank you, dear friends.

Peace and lentils, XXXOOO such

[fadeout...].

Director: 'ok, now, we cut to da credits...' [dat's a wrap, dudes!]

Producer: God

Director: Gabriel

starring: a cast of thousands

shot on location in: India, Malibu, United Kingdom

grip: gerry lyng

lighting: Jean-Michel Kahn

best boy: John Brauns

Copyright 2002 Metro-Golden-Bananas'

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:15:03 (EST)
From: LOLoaf
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: I did actually laugh out loud gerry :) [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 20:42:47 (EST)
From: Nigel
Email: nige@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: gerry
Subject: Listen MB... (such)
Message:
Listen 'MB', come back right now and apologise up front. To everyone - and to Prempal Rawat, if necessary. You total fucking asshole. Do it in public...

Powerful post ruined by insensitivity to truth itself and the feelings of people who would care about you if you, in turn, cared enough about them not to get them so emotionally engaged that they're finding their best way of saying goodbye - shedding tears and all. You even had Jim wishing you happiness and mung beans... Jeez.

Grow up or see a medic.

Peace, of course, but spare us the fucking lentlis...

Nige the happy omnivore

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 20:58:09 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Worse than that, I actually cried
Message:
Truth is, Nige, I choked on this one. What bothers me most is what effect this might have on future, legit disclosures like this. Oh weLLLlll...
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:15:24 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I cried too.
Message:
Admittedly I was in a vunerable state when I read it. I was suffering with a virus and depression. I had also just watched hours of Rawat videos and was shaken up by them. Nevertheless I was upset by what he wrote. It seemed he was saying he was putting his affairs together in preparation for death. Someone close to me is doing exactly that at the moment. The post seemed very heartfelt. It is very easy on the internet to misunderstand people because of the lack of body language and tone of voice. I think it is cruel to do this.
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:43:44 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: magiclara
Subject: There was nothing ambiguous about it
Message:
It is very easy on the internet to misunderstand people because of the lack of body language and tone of voice.

Such very clearly said that he's 'been told' that he's got to get ready die ('mahasamadi', 'the big exit which we all must make one day')

Couldn't have been clearer.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 16:23:51 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim...OT
Message:
Hi Jim,

I want to thank you for recommending the Poisonwood Bible by Barbara Kingsolver.

I just finished it. What a gifted writer she is. And the story, well, you know. I learned a lot from it.

Thanks again,
Cynth

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 20:03:38 (EST)
From: PatD
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: Jim...OT
Message:
Hi Cynthia , if it's book recommending time, I'd recommend to you Philip Pullman's 'His Dark Materials ' trilogy. He hasn't been very well known until yesterday, when he won a big literary prize here in England. Read before they start burning his books on Alabama bonfires.
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 13:03:36 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: There was nothing ambiguous about it
Message:
Sorry Jim. It is me that comes across as ambiguous. I agree with you that Such's post was announcing his death. What I meant to say was, We already have to contend with the problems of internet communication, such as the lack of body language and tone of voice. It is therefore even more cruel to introduce another difficulty by writing a post proclaiming his death, when he actually means the death of a persona.
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:22:09 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: magiclara
Subject: Re: I cried too.
Message:
I cried hard and long. A close friend of my family in Connecticut just was diagnosed with stage 3 ovarian cancer. She had a total hysterectomy last week and is in for the chemotherapy ride for her life.

What Such did was downright cruel. :(

Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 04:57:02 (EST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Suchabanana's hoax
Message:
Such's hoax is being discussed in a thread on the Sat Chit-Chat forum'

It would put Gerry in a potentially awkard position if we continued to discuss a forum participant's behaviour here, as it contrary to the guidelines at the top of the page ... This is a moderated forum which means there is a definite topic, which is Maharaji and his cult, NOT the participants on this forum and their behavior.

See you there!

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:52:33 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Thought for the day :~)
Message:
'The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.'
(Herbert Spencer)

The ultimate result of shielding people from the trials and tribulations of life and taking them into 'Maharaji's world,' is to fill Maharaji's world full of people who are [fill in the blanks].

Think of how you were when you were in the blanks. It's the thought for the day.

It is nice to know that every person living can experience love, that every person living can experience peace, can experience fulfillment, and they don't need a Master in order to find their way. They aren't lost. They may meet others and share information, insights and perceptions that will be a catalyst for their own growth. It's part of the human experience.

Can you imagine! I responded to the message, 'you're lost and need a Master' with 'oh yes, this is the truth I've been waiting for.' The truth of total self-doubt! The truth of total co-dependence. The truth of ridiculous lies. The truth of making a meditation mountain out of a meditation molehill? What does anyone meditate ON? Something that's there all the time. Does someone necessarily need a 'Master' to sit still, quiet their mind and find it. Hardly.

Love,

Francesca

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:24:35 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Re: Thought for the day :~)
Message:
Hi Fran

The ultimate result of shielding people from the trials and tribulations of life and taking them into 'Maharaji's world,' is to fill Maharaji's world full of people who are [fill in the blanks].

....filled with notions of superiority towards people without knowledge, whilst sporting an inferiority complex in their relationship with the master....

Love Mags

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:14:48 (EST)
From: PatD
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: Re: Thought for the day :~)
Message:
The ultimate result of shielding people from the trials and tribulations of life and taking them into 'Maharaji's world,' is to fill Maharaji's world full of people who are [fill in the blanks].

In a bubble.I'm almost sure he said this in the early '90's at some programme I attended, but I can't really remember now.

It's nice being in a bubble,floating downstream hand in hand with God the father,not having to worry too much about crawling too close to the fire. Knowing that ultimately all is for the best. I'm not knocking that,I hope it's true,but what is also true is that hundreds of millions of people who have never heard of Rawat also believe or hope the same through the teachings of their religions.

Maybe that's a foolish take on life,I don't know. Thing is all the major religions have lots of adherents who do things to help their fellow man. Our religion was based on helping ourselves to get high & Bollixshwar to get into millionaires row.

As they say in Lancashire; they don't spoil a couple.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 07:12:40 (EST)
From: Bai Ji
Email: None
To: PatD
Subject: They don't spoil a Couple?Please explain.(nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:32:57 (EST)
From: PatD
Email: None
To: Bai Ji
Subject: Re: They don't spoil a Couple?Please explain.(nt)
Message:
The phrase refers to the fact that 2 oddballs who are married to each other is better than 2 oddballs married to 2 normals,'cos that way only 2 people get freaked not 4.

Sorry if it was a bit oblique. What I was getting at is the fact that we share some of the responsibilty for our own involvement with Rawat. The exact proportion is up to the individual's conscience.

All the best: Pat Dorrity

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 20:24:49 (EST)
From: Bai Ji
Email: None
To: PatD
Subject: Ahh!..Thanks Pat D for the explanation.(nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 14:20:31 (EST)
From: Francesca :~)
Email: None
To: PatD
Subject: Thanks, LOVE that saying
Message:
I don't mind when you Brits or other non-Yanks give us your sayings. They are usually great ones!

I agree about the shared responsibility. Important to balance that. Too much on him; one is a victim. Too much on self; one is guilty, guilty, guilty. And the proportions in the recipe are up to the cook.

bests,

--f

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 20:47:30 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: PatD
Subject: as they say over her:
Message:
they deserve one another.
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:11:36 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Bollixshwar, the czar of car
Message:
not to mention pasha of plane.

Thanks you guys, for filling in the blanks. I enjoyed reading your comments, and I agree PatD, about the church of selfishness. Some bubbles are less harmful than others!

bests,

F

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:48:58 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: All
Subject: How watching a video of rawat made me feel.
Message:
I have been given a copy of the Atlanta training video, Passages some Indian stuff and the 30th anniversary event in Nottingham. The ex who gave it to me asked me to write a report for the forum so I will attempt to do this. I am laid up with a virus at the moment and am also feeling down. (I get recurring depression anxiety etc.) In the light of being stuck in the house I watched the whole thing as soon as it came. Probably a mistake. I should have stuck to the original plan of watching it with some exes and gin and tonic. I thought I was past being affected by rawat but it made me feel extremely angry.
Others have reported on the content of the training video so I won’t give a blow by blow account. I haven’t the stomach for it anyway. Suffice to say he was pompous, self-satisfied, condescending, abusive and readily apportioning blame for the failure of propagation to everyone but himself. I thought it was telling that the event was in a large room and the whole floor is empty. People were pinned up against the wall on three sides of the hall a long way from rawat with this huge empty space in the middle. I have never seen a set up like it. It is almost like there was the important person and everyone is peripheral and mustn’t go near him. It must have felt very strange sitting against the wall far away from M in a room of that size. Most people had to twist their necks to see him when they all could have just been seated in front of him facing straight on. The people looked as though the smiles on their faces were the lid on a scream. One thing about watching this video for me was that I realized that when I had seen M and felt blissed out by his words, a part of me was never comfortable with that. Watching this video I was completely comfortable and had total clarity about my feelings. It is all garbage and his attitude is very unsatisfactory.
Passages has been cut down from what I remember and it seemed to end abruptly. I am not sure if some has gone off the end. This was sickly sweet and I was surprised to hear charanand talking about m as the living master and saying that the master is with you always. I thought this was a bit near the god in the bod idea, but I suppose it is ok for him to say it as he was a mahatma, and of course it was them who misled everyone in the first place. The western sycophants were falling over themselves to take the blame for all the Indian concepts etc. It was glaringly obvious that it was a personality cult. They did slip up here and there like being astonished that m stood at the end of the queue for the bathroom in the ashram like everyone else, and was quickly put at the front when anyone realized. Some fella said that he did not think that anyone could have had a better life than he had because he had m and k. The implication being that most of the world is lesser in some way. I had watched this video at Nottingham, whilst briefly being sucked back into the cult and thought it was wonderful. Bear in mind I had spent two days listening to the most hideous drivel from whadamar and the tedious DVD k review. Whilst in my brainnumbed state I thought this video was marvelous and full of great insight. It was in fact a load of revisionist sycophantic bilge. Having said that footage of m in his youth made me see how we were sucked into this. He was quite cute and playful and charismatic. He is so different now but the brainwashing has been done.
The video of the 30th anniversary in Nottingham astonished me. I was there in the flesh at this event and find it difficult to believe that this was the talk which sucked me back in and that I thought was marvelous. Looking at it now I was horrified that I could ever fall for that bilge. It showed me very clearly how the cult mindset works and how deeply I was programmed even though I had been away since the 70’s. I only saw him again in recent years because he came to Manchester, which wasn’t far to travel. I had been saved from more indoctrination because of him only coming to the south of England. I was fortunately a bad premie and couldn’t be bothered to travel far to see him. I couldn’t be bothered to listen to the Nottingham video, but made the effort for the sake of reporting back. He is just so ignorant about people’s feelings. As others have said he was particularly condescending when talking about questions people had asked him. When he talks about someone asking him what happens when we die he says in a petulant voice,
“ I don’t know” Well that is not what he said before, which I think is on EPO where he goes into great detail about what happens after death. He also arrogantly says that k is unique and no one else can offer it. His ego is remarkable. There is lot’s more stuff that could be dissected but I haven’t the stomach for it.
I felt angry. appalled, shaky and sick to my stomach to think that I was ever part of this. This surprised me as I thought I was beyond being affected by this pillock. It scared me a bit as well. I hope I won't always still be affected by the creep. This stuff needs to be watched even though it is hideous. One thing it has definitely made me realize is that I will never go to see him again. I was thinking that, as I have a smart card I might go as a mole as others have done. I now know that I could not do it.
Mags
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:27:40 (EST)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: magiclara
Subject: Get well soon Mags
Message:
Oh boy,it really did make you sick! I'm sorry about that, but thanks for such a graphic gut-felt report.
The most incredible thing about Passages for me, was that after all that explaining of how it was in the early days with all the Indian trappings, white saris, and the God thing...all gone now of course..after all that, they play Arti in the background, slowly getting louder towards the end. Are they taking the piss or what?
Take good care of yourself
Kelly
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Date: Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 01:31:18 (EST)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Kelly
Subject: Re: Get well soon Mags
Message:
'Are they taking the piss or what?'

No, in their 'premie minds', they sedate common logic. It's easy to sedate common logic by just rememebering that 'it is all illusion', thus they feel justified in their collusion of silence with prempal.

I think a lot of us(exs) wrongly assume that every premie was once a 'sincere seeker of Truth'. The apparent contradictions, as shown in Passages, is just an 'extention of mind', just as 'sex is mind'(as Anne Johnson, once told us that m said that').

If these premies really believed in what they were doing, they would openly discuss things with us manmuts and the rest of the human race.

love Jethro

PS Do you know what happened to Jerry Ravetz,has he exited?

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:48:26 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: Kelly
Subject: Hi Kelly
Message:
It isn't your fault it made me ill. I am very glad I watched it. It was cathartic and has cured me of the last bit of sympathy I had for Rawat. I felt sorry for the fact that he was set up for it all as a child. That is as maybe but at some point we have to take responsibility for our actions despite what we may have suffered in childhood. Besides that far worse things happen to children than being worshipped and adored. I didn't notice the Arti. I will listen out for it when I watch it with the rest of the Liverpool crew. This definitly needs to be viewed in good company. I have sent you a snail mail and an e mail.
Bests Mags
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 15:42:30 (EST)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: magiclara
Subject: watch out for Nigel
Message:
Hi mags,
got your e-mail,. thanks.
I hope the Liverpool crew can find a way to enjoy the screening. I'm sure they will, as Moley said (did she?) there's strength in numbers!
Kelly
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 18:00:35 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: magiclara
Subject: I know the feeling
Message:
Isn't it amazing? That Atlanta Training vid might be the death knell for M. A terrible mistake, as it reveals some of his true nature which he has taken such great pains to hide from most premies. For me, it was like watching a 60-minute car accident.

I know the yucky feeling you mentioned, and I think it's fear and self-hatred, really. It brought back the memories of feeling that so often as a premie, always worried that Maharaji might be displeased, but knowing I had no idea what the hell he wanted, but thinking if I tried harder, and was more surrendered, was a "better" devotee, I would know. What a humiliating place to be in!

Like Kev said, in the Atlanta video he bitches endlessly about how propagation is supposed to be done right, but giving absolutely no direction as to what that is. It was Kafkaesque, set up so the premie is always wrong and Mahararji never is, and thus, for those who don't run away screaming, making the premies even less trusting of their own feelings and ever more desperately glued to the lotus feet. Maharaji should be horse-whipped and then locked up for a long time for abusing people like that.

I love your line about smiles being lids on screams. Those smiles did look a bit 'forced' and I did notice a few people squirming, too.

Also, I love the term "bone idle" which isn't used in the states. That always makes me laugh.

Joe
Who sometimes watches "Keeping Up Appearances" just to hear Daisey describe her husband Onslow as "bone idle" in the most endearing way.

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 18:58:25 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: bone idle
Message:
Hi Joe
I know what you mean about premies not trusting their own feelings and being more tied to m as a result. I know premies who firmly believe that m knows what they are thinking. They claim that he cares about them and is looking out for them. This is despite the fact that they have never actually met him. They have also written to him lots of times and never got a response. However they still maintain that he is looking after them. Challenging them about this is like trying to fold gravy. I suspect they wouldn't even talk to me now that I have declared myself officially an ex. They were always suspicious of me because I was a bad premie, and often put forward the idea that m and k might not be the only way.
I didn't know you got keeping up appearances in the U.S. Isn't it marvellous? Onslow, well the actor who plays him, comes from Liverpool. He was in Coronation street, my all time favorite programme. Do you get that over there?
Mags
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:34:59 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: magiclara
Subject: bone idle - like trying to fold gravy?
Message:
Of course I know the phrase ''bone idle'' but I think Daisy says it with a secret smile thinking about Onslow's other bone.

But ''folding gravy'' must be Scouse. That's good.

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:53:40 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: bone idle - like trying to fold gravy?
Message:
It isn't scouse. I am an immigrant from the Lancashire hills. It is 'lanky twang' which is spoken in them parts. There is also 'knitting fog' plaiting sawdust' and 'nailing jelly t wall'which all mean the same thing.
Love Mags
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:30:37 (EST)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: magiclara
Subject: I love you maggs :) [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:00:10 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: Thank you very glad Loaf .nt
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:20:21 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: magiclara
Subject: Brit Comedy Night On PBS (OT)
Message:
The 'public' television network in the states, at least some of the stations carry some of the British comedies.

In San Francisco, 'British Comedy Night' is Saturday, from about 6:00 - 8:00 PM on KQED. "Keeping Up Appearances" and 'As Time Goes By' with Judy Dench are among the shows. Those two shows are great, because Hyacinth Bucket can be really over the top and exhausting almost too slap stick after awhile, but then it's followed by the oh so civilized and humerous Judy Dench. It makes me want to sit bone idle on a Saturday night and just watch.

BTW-- does Judy Dench EVER stop working? I swear she is in every other movie that comes out, sometimes several simultaneously, and she also has a TV show. When does she have time to go to the loo?

Is Coronation Street still on? That must be the longest running show in history. It was on when I went to school at in England in 1972!

I don't think we get Coronation Street, but we do get Eastenders and have gotten it for years.

Mind you, the commercial networks in the USA think their own crappy programming is so great they would never consider running a British series, but PBS will do it. They are too busy thinking up stupid sitcoms and doing "reality TV" which I have never watched, and don't ever intend to.

I used to love that old show about the Department Store -- 'Keeping Up Appearances?' In the Castro district, they had a contest for drag queens as Mrs. Slocum.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 09:55:30 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Are You Being Served??
Message:
Mrs Slocum with her rainbow hair!

How's 'bout 'Chef'? We are always using the expression in my house, "the cheese police" after that episode. It's a brilliant comedy.

But my all time favorites tie: All Creatures Great and Small with Manor Born. Audrey Forbes Hamilton is my role model!

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 14:48:31 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: The 'cheese police'??? Blimey ...
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 01:12:10 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Re: The 'cheese police'??? Blimey ...
Message:
But it was real,unpasturized British Stilton!
[ Cheese Police ]
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Date: Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 07:15:00 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Where'd my text go? have we got mice?
Message:
sorry 'bout that, but last night I was sure I'd posted some text to go with that post.

Anyway - Lenny Henry to one side for a mo, what I *had* said was - you better ask Sir Dave about cheese police. Believe it or not, he actually WAS required to guard a fridge with only one piece of cheese in for ... guess who? Yup, that grinning Cheshire MahaCat himself!

Full story is somewhere in the archives. I'll see if I can dig it out (... steady)

Chowsa bella.

Chris

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Date: Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 01:06:37 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: But it was stilton
Message:
!
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 20:58:45 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: 'are you being served'!!!! yeah!
Message:
we used to watch that on some obscure UHF station when i lived in denver!!! i wish i had taped it.
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 10:08:12 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Re: 'are you being served'!!!! yeah!
Message:
Crikey Janet, it's on nearly every night here. My husband has some catelogue where you can order just about every British series ever made. I'll post it when he gets home. For the life of me, I can't find it.

Amazon has Are you being served? on video for $14.95 which contain three episodes per tape? Rather ironic, huh? As in asking about being served after all those years of doing the serving!!! http://www.fye.com/catalog/moviesProduct.jhtml?itemId=359960
[ Are You Being Served? ]

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:33:47 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Brit Comedy Night On PBS (OT)
Message:
That is appalling that you get eastenders and not corrie. I have watched it since the first episode in 1960. Now I watch the old ones on sky TV as well as the new ones on ITV. The programme with Mrs Slocum was 'Are you being served' I would have loved to see those drag queens dressed as Mrs S I love drag queens. I went to the mardi gras in the gay village in Manchester last year. There were a lot of men done up as Crewela from 101 dalmations but sadly no Mrs Slocum's.
Do you get the Royale family that is a good one and Father Ted is another classic. Anyway it is nice to have a chat about trivia after the day I've had.
Bye for now Mags
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 23:21:55 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: magiclara
Subject: Re: Brit Comedy Night On PBS (OT)
Message:
Of course you are right, it's 'Are You Being Served.' That was a funny show, but the episodes they showed in the States seemed very dated, like 15 or more years old.

There is some good American television. Personally, I think Seinfeld was brilliant and Frasier also has good writing. They both ran for many years, I think Frasier is 10 or more years running. Then we have the 'gay' sitcom, 'Will and Grace' which is so tame it's revolting, although it gets good ratings.

Actually, it's cable that's doing the really good stuff, especially HBO. They don't have to worry about advertisers and ratings, and so they have gotten very innovative with The Sopranos, Six Feet Under, Oz, and Sex in the City.

The whole drag thing used to freak me out, but now I find it very funny. I'll have to check what other shows we get from across the pond.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 07:30:29 (EST)
From: Bai Ji
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Brit Comedy Night On PBS (OT)
Message:
Tonight to celebrate my 'Breaking of Renunciate Vows' i viewed

'Frasier'US
'Smack the pony'GB
'Happiness'GB
'Vicar of Dibley' GB
oh! and 'Human Remains' UK...Very unwell indeed...
and now I am completely 'Fucked Up' and happy.

Scousers Rule!!!!
Love Bai Ji

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:20:32 (EST)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Six feet under is brill !
Message:
We havnt seen it in the uk yet (not on BBC or ITV/C4/5 anyway) but I saw it in the States in the summer..

Great quirky dark humoUr... I want to see it again :)

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 11:59:37 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: Queer as Folk?
Message:
Yes Six Feet Under is great, and it just won the Golden Globe award the other night. Isn't there a UK version of HBO?

Is 'Queer as Folk' still on Channel 4? I saw the first season of the UK version on video, and the American version is in its second season on Showtime. The first season was great, but the second season doesn't seem to be as good. Of course, that's on cable, while in the UK it ran on broadcast television. I don't think that will ever happen in the US.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:57:25 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Queer as Folk?
Message:
Yeah, I liked 'Queer as folk'.......no it aint on anymore. Just the two series (seasons?)I think.

What's the US version like? You mean US actors/production or just US screening of the UK version? Is it toned down in any way?

Cheers

Dermot

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 13:48:34 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: American Queer as Folk??
Message:
When I saw the British version, I was shocked that it was on regular television, because of the explicit gay sex and the nudity.

Yes, the American version is American actors, although I heard it is shot in Toronto. The British version was placed in Manchester, and keeping in the working class vibe, the American version is placed in Pittsburgh, but you would think Pittsburgh was San Francisco, for the large, vibrant gay community they show in the series.

The first season tracked roughly the same story as the British version, and, if anything, it is even more explicit, but it's on cable and not on regular television, so they can get away with it. The story was changed in a few ways to make it somewhat 'happier' which is what they think American audiences want. Some changes:

The adorable kid, Justin was 17 in the US version, 15 in the British. The lesbian couple has a much, much bigger role in the story, the accountant guy who overdosed into a coma does not die, and there are a few other changes.

Now, into the second season, they are into completely new territory, although based on the first two episodes of the new season, which just started this month, the writing could use some work. I'm still amazed it's on TV, though, even cable.

I heard that other than gay men, women are the largest audience, and they are making their boyfriends watch the show, who are also kind of getting hooked on it, or so I have read. I guess that's a good sign.

The only downside is the show makes me feel old, because the characters are freaking out they are turning 30! Hell, I was still a celibate in the ashram at 30!

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 14:17:39 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: American Queer as Folk?????
Message:
Thanks Joe for the explanations.

Ha, freaking out because they turned 30! The gay scene......or the club scene I guess...can be quite ageist.

Did you ever see a British series called ......hmmm the title 's slipped my memory. About a bunch of late 20's/30's lawyers sharing accommodation in London. Some very good non-cardboard cut out gay characters/scenes but also good straight character scenes too. Once you got into it , it really was good stuff.Came out about 2 or 3 years ago......now what was it called????? AGGHHH ...think, think.......you know believe it or not I think it was called 'life's great' !!!! but probably wasn't.....probably like when somethings on the tip of your tongue and you think it begins with 'm' ,say, but it turns out to be another letter.

Cheers
Dermot

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 16:14:09 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: Was called 'This life', I think [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 18:07:58 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: I don't think that's been on here
Message:
But I'm not really that much of a TV-watcher, so I'm not sure.

There is a top-10 show in the states called 'Will and Grace' which is the 'gay show.' It's funny, sometimes, but lots of criticism that Will never has a romantic life, although that has changed some, I have read. Basically, I think NBC is covering itself by having Will live with a woman 'Grace' and so the plots are often not that different from married-couple sitcoms.

Also, a few years ago there was the famous Ellen Degeneress 'coming out' in her series and she has a new one in which she is a lesbian, but, again, that isn't much a part of the stories, or so I am told.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:20:24 (EST)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Six feet under is brill !
Message:
We havnt seen it in the uk yet (not on BBC or ITV/C4/5 anyway) but I saw it in the States in the summer..

Great quirky dark humoUr... I want to see it again :)

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:32:08 (EST)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: I didnt post it twice... honestly !! :o
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 19:18:33 (EST)
From: 123
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: Re: I didnt post it twice... honestly !! :o
Message:
:o :: :; :~ :- :+ :=
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 16:29:19 (EST)
From: Kev
Email: kevin@kcornell.fsnet.co.uk
To: magiclara
Subject: Re: How watching a video of rawat made me feel.
Message:
Hi Mags,

I too have been sent that vid, sent too me via our good friend Karen. Watched the first half of it today i.e. the Atlanta training video and Passages. What struck me most about the Atlanta training video was just how much lack of respect M showed for his audience. It was like watching a pissed off headmaster telling off the whole school at assembly. At the end of the video you still had no understanding of how he wanted people to do his propagation for him. And I think this was his intention, because that way when things still don’t work on propagation front he can still sit back and not take the reasonability (as usual) and say “see you guys have screwed it up again”.

Like you I have one of those horrible smart cards and like you I would never ever use it again not even if I was paid to do so. I have far more better thing to do with my life than to spend a night watching and hearing an over grown pissed off school boy.

Love Kev.

PS did not realise you are a UK exes, email me if you feel like it.

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:16:20 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: moldy_warp@hotmail.com
To: magiclara
Subject: Re: How watching a video of rawat made me feel.
Message:
So sorry you are feeling a bit freaked. Can I come and watch it with you? (There's safety in numbers - or so they say!)

Lots of love ********xxxx

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:45:01 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: Moley
Subject: There has been an improvement
Message:
Thanks Moley
I feel better now I have ranted about it. Yes we should watch it together with gin. I am not fit for human consumtion at the moment but will hopefully recover soon.
Love Mags
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 16:31:46 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: None
To: magiclara
Subject: Re: There has been an improvement
Message:
Gin - good idea! Well - bugger me - I'm not fit for human consumption either - ask Nige! (who has the tolerance of a saint) - menopause or some equally hideous hormones. Ring me poppet ( 2813493) when you feel up to consumimg humans.

xxxxxMoles

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:11:03 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: magiclara
Subject: Thanks for your report, Mags
Message:
I was quite surprised really by what a great writer you are as I have not seen that side to you before. I'm sorry you were so upset by it but hopefully it will clean some more Maharajism poison out of your system.

Lots of love to you,

P

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:56:27 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Thanks Pat
Message:
Thanks for the compliment. I always got teachers writing on my school reports 'Has the ability but doesn't make the effort' My default setting is basically bone idle, but I will try to do better. I am feeling a bit better now I have ranted about it. I mean I have still got the virus and still feel a bit down but have purged the feelings that I got from watching the vids. I am glad I watched them. Thank heavens this forum and all the wonderful people who post on it is here.
Love Mags
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:48:10 (EST)
From: Angela
Email: springfever_1@yahoo.com
To: All
Subject: Dear God, hold me together here
Message:
Folks, I've posted here before, but this is the first time with my real name. And I am scared to death! Feeling like the heavens might fall on me or the nether world open up and swallow me! I'm not an ex, never had knowledge. My dear husband received knowledge 30 years ago. We've been married only since last April. He knows most of my feelings about the creature who calls himself Maharaji. Probaly not the depth of the revulsion and hatred I feel, but maybe a good idea. Rawat has enslaved this brilliant man for 30 years and I am sick of living with a third party in this marriage. Nothing I say to my husband phases him. He only wants to know if I can ''prove'' the terrible things I say about his ''master''. ''Can I prove he is having an affair with Monica?'', ''Have I been in maharaji's bedroom?'' and similiar things. No, obviously, I can't. (And a more revolting thought than being in rawat's bedroom, I truly can't come up with!) I can prove very few of the things I believe in. I can only learn what I can about them and then make my decision. I am asking you all for your help. The only thing that might make my husband look at his ''master'' with opened eyes is unkindness or cruelty to others. I'm only slightly hopeful because his eyes are truly closed when it comes to rawat and his doings. I've read here of rawat's shooting at the rabbits in Amaroo, but I need to know who actually saw him do that. Did they post it anywhere? Is that person here and if so, would you please e-mail me the details. I've read of his cruelty to many people around him, but don't remember details and specifics. Please, if anyone here has accounts or details you know of first hand, will you e-mail them to me at the address I've given. My husband thinks rawat is a wonderful, caring, loving person who really loves him more than anybody else
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me included, I fear. Cruelty and unkindness are things my husband cannot abide. Personally, I think rawat's cruelty is evident. Affairs with other women are unkind in the extreme, both to the women and to his wife. But, that is not good enough for I have no proof! Maybe I am asking for more than it is possible to get. But, again, if anybody has information to help me, I would be very grateful for it. Thanks to all of you.
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:16:05 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Angela
Subject: I know who you posted as....
Message:
Timmi, right?

I don't have any advice. A 30 year premie believes m to be GOD.

Just keep your money intact. Be patient.

Best wishes to you,
Cynthia

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 10:42:14 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Angela
Subject: You're in a fix, allright
Message:
Dear Angela,

I wish I had more time to write back to you but I just don't.

There are many people here in the same boat as you, many people here who have been there (me).

I encourage you to read some of the archives to better understand that there is, in actuality, nothing to be afraid of by posting here. Why is it that you are afraid? And what name did you use before? That might better help me to understand who you are, not geographically, but why you have this paranoia.

Since you have read here and posted, then you must of caught some of the threads and responses that deal specifically with your situation. Your relationship with a premie is not unique. Although I do find it interesting that as a newlywed you are having this difficulty. Your topic, in fact, has come up alot lately and you will only have to go back a few weeks to find many pertinent responses that would apply to you.

I would ask you to try and have your husband have a look-see at EPO and other sites for himself. As far as proof, well, unless he sees it with his own eyes, maybe he will never want to face this most awful truth; Maharaji doesn't care about him, and after 30 years probably doesn't even know the first thing about you beloved.

But your sensibilities and observations may not hold any light to the 30 years of brain/hog washing your husband has embraced.

And if you want a peaceful marriage and a long one, and you say you do love him, patience at this moment may very well be a real virtue.

Good Luck,
This too will pass,
Just don't let him buy your retirement home in Amaroo
And curtail or absolutely refuse to let him send any of YOUR funds as a couple to the Maharaja. After all, it's your money too. That you do have a say in!

Tonette

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 23:54:01 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Angela
Subject: Re: Dear God, hold me together here
Message:
Read Michael Donner's posting about being kicked where Maharaji had no business kicking. Was it MacGregor who heard M say how he would like to divide the premie females at Amaroo according to their 'chest's' (didn't quite use that word but I abhor the word he did use), ie. good one's to the left, bad one's to the right.
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 22:17:50 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Angela
Subject: Proof is not enough Angela.
Message:
Hi Angela,

I'll throw my 2 Eurocents in here. I don't think proof will be strong enough to get your old man out of the cult.

So what that Rawat's had lots of affairs and sexually abused his devotees? He's the Lord and he's above right and wrong. Who are we to judge him?

Has he read any of the stuff on EPO? If not, maybe you could print some stuff out, for example, Michael Dettmers posts. Ask him if he's heard of Michael. Ask him what he thinks of what Michael wrote.

You could also bring up the Jagdeo business, and ask him what kind of guru would protect somebody like that.

Ask him if he remebers the 'Peace Bomb' satsang, which was reprinted for years after 1971. In this talk, Rawat claimed he would establish Peace on Earth, and the lion would lay down with the lamb, and there would be no more 'bullet guns'. Ask him what happened.

But maybe you'll just have to learn to live with it. Look on it like you married someone who was heavily religious. It's probably easier to be tolerant than it is to deprogramme him.

If you have a joint bank account, tell him you don't want any of your money going to Rawat or the cult until you're clear about what's going on, and at the moment you're not. Because your husband says one thing and you read other stuff on the Internet by ex-premies which contradict it.

Anth, who doesn't feel like he's said anything constructive but it's the best he can do at this time of night.

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:00:06 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: stars@uvic.ca
To: Angela
Subject: See the movie, 'The Inner Circle'
Message:
It's a beautiful film. I'll email you later and tell why I think it might be a good idea.

Take good care of yourself for awhile. Get out of the house. Ask him to set up meditation times so you can do other things that interest you during that time slot. You're too close to it right now, I suggest leaving room for your ideas to form. Think about what you want to do.

Email me anytime.

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 16:15:00 (EST)
From: Steve Mueller
Email: None
To: Angela
Subject: Re: Dear God, hold me together here
Message:
Congrats to you Angela for having such courage! I've found being non-anonymous (er, would that be like: nymous ?) has accelerated my healing tremendously. Being a male, I wasn't in M's bedroom but, if you will check out my post above, you will see the devastating effect he had in OUR bedroom. Make sure your husband reads my post. Maybe, just maybe it could prove to be a significant drip for him. Best of luck and happiness to you.
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 17:50:15 (EST)
From: Angela
Email: springfever_1@yahoo.com
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Re: Dear God, hold me together here
Message:
Steve, I did read it and it made me feel such pain, for many reasons. For your wife. I think I can imagine how she felt and still feels. For you, for I know you thought you were doing what was ''right for you'', and oh, wow, is that an expression I am learning to hate! And for myself, as I can so easily see that happening to me. I hope not, but I'm not so foolish as to try and put myself between rawat and my husband. Not yet, anyway. By that, I don't mean that your wife was foolish, quite the opposite. I think she was exactly right to ask you for what she needed. Somehow, what is ''right for others'' is never a priority. Only what is right for the premie. Rather I mean that for me to ask my husband to forego rawat for me at this point would be foolish. I do konw that rarely, almost never, will I ask my husband for my needs. The risk is too great. To be turned down would devastate me. I'm not ready for that yet. Thank you for the post above. I am going to save it and maybe print it out. Good luck, Steve.

P.S. ''non-anonymous'' = ''nymous''? Don't know, but I like it!

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:15:38 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Angela
Subject: Re: Dear God, hold me together here
Message:
Angela,

The first time I posted under my real name, I was hyperventalating and had sweaty palms for a week. I chalk it up to residual fear from years of programming and my own denial. You have nothing to fear.

I've put a link to the Best of Forum pages (temporary address as EPO is being relocated). There are some very revealing posts about M's behavior from those who witnessed it firsthand. I hope that gives you some useful information. As you must know by now, none of the facts matter to those who are truly enchanted with M. As you say, it's all about 'my experience'. Best of luck.

Richard
[ Best of Forum ]

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 18:57:10 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Richard, Please Email me
Message:
Richard,

I've changed the link in your post to one of the new mirror sites. Could you please email me about this.

Thanks,

John.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 11:51:03 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: richard@rogers-graphics.com
To: JHB
Subject: Tried, but it bounced back
Message:
Tried jhb@ex-premie.org but it bounced. Email me at the above.
R
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:12:17 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: moldy_warp@hotmail.com,
To: Angela
Subject: Re: Dear God, hold me together here
Message:
Angela - My heart goes out to you. Do please email me, if you feel to. I am an ex - and was married to a premie for very many years. I hope I can be of some use to you.

Love to you
Moley

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:52:18 (EST)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: Moley
Subject: Calling Nottingham bunny!
Message:
Hi Angela,
Nottingham mole (not our Moley) was also very angry about the rabbit shooting report and immediately became Nottingham bunny. I can't remember who it was that reported it, it was in a thread about the foul mood MaGoo was in at Amaroo '97. He'd trodden in cow shit! the press had managed to get in, a premies son on acid had found his way to the goo's private chalet etc... I think so anyway, or was it John Macgegor, now I'm not so sure. The bunny will know.
Congratulations on your coming out, it is scary isn't it?
With love
Karen
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 18:02:12 (EST)
From: Nottingham Bunny
Email: None
To: Kelly
Subject: John Macgegor
Message:
Hi Karen and Anjela,

Yes, it was John Macgegor who reported on the alleged Bunny shooting. I have tried to find his reply to my personal email regarding this (without result so far in my inefficient AOL filing cabinet). From memory, John said that he did not witness actual shooting but that MJ did go out with a gun and the intention of shooting rabbits at Amaroo. I can't remember what they had done to displease him but something had irritated him and sparked his action.

Regards,

Nottingham Bunny

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:47:18 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: All
Subject:
Message:
I have been given a copy of the Atlanta training video, Passages some Indian stuff and the 30th anniversary event in Nottingham. The ex who gave it to me asked me to write a report for the forum so I will attempt to do this. I am laid up with a virus at the moment and am also feeling down. (I get recurring depression anxiety etc.) In the light of being stuck in the house I watched the whole thing as soon as it came. Probably a mistake. I should have stuck to the original plan of watching it with some exes and gin and tonic. I thought I was past being affected by rawat but it made me feel extremely angry.
Others have reported on the content of the training video so I won’t give a blow by blow account. I haven’t the stomach for it anyway. Suffice to say he was pompous, self-satisfied, condescending, abusive and readily apportioning blame for the failure of propagation to everyone but himself. I thought it was telling that the event was in a large room and the whole floor is empty. People were pinned up against the wall on three sides of the hall a long way from rawat with this huge empty space in the middle. I have never seen a set up like it. It is almost like there was the important person and everyone is peripheral and mustn’t go near him. It must have felt very strange sitting against the wall far away from M in a room of that size. Most people had to twist their necks to see him when they all could have just been seated in front of him facing straight on. The people looked as though the smiles on their faces were the lid on a scream. One thing about watching this video for me was that I realized that when I had seen M and felt blissed out by his words, a part of me was never comfortable with that. Watching this video I was completely comfortable and had total clarity about my feelings. It is all garbage and his attitude is very unsatisfactory.
Passages has been cut down from what I remember and it seemed to end abruptly. I am not sure if some has gone off the end. This was sickly sweet and I was surprised to hear charanand talking about m as the living master and saying that the master is with you always. I thought this was a bit near the god in the bod idea, but I suppose it is ok for him to say it as he was a mahatma, and of course it was them who misled everyone in the first place. The western sycophants were falling over themselves to take the blame for all the Indian concepts etc. It was glaringly obvious that it was a personality cult. They did slip up here and there like being astonished that m stood at the end of the queue for the bathroom in the ashram like everyone else, and was quickly put at the front when anyone realized. Some fella said that he did not think that anyone could have had a better life than he had because he had m and k. The implication being that most of the world is lesser in some way. I had watched this video at Nottingham, whilst briefly being sucked back into the cult and thought it was wonderful. Bear in mind I had spent two days listening to the most hideous drivel from whadamar and the tedious DVD k review. Whilst in my brainnumbed state I thought this video was marvelous and full of great insight. It was in fact a load of revisionist sycophantic bilge. Having said that footage of m in his youth made me see how we were sucked into this. He was quite cute and playful and charismatic. He is so different now but the brainwashing has been done.
The video of the 30th anniversary in Nottingham astonished me. I was there in the flesh at this event and find it difficult to believe that this was the talk which sucked me back in and that I thought was marvelous. Looking at it now I was horrified that I could ever fall for that bilge. It showed me very clearly how the cult mindset works and how deeply I was programmed even though I had been away since the 70’s. I only saw him again in recent years because he came to Manchester, which wasn’t far to travel. I had been saved from more indoctrination because of him only coming to the south of England. I was fortunately a bad premie and couldn’t be bothered to travel far to see him. I couldn’t be bothered to listen to the Nottingham video, but made the effort for the sake of reporting back. He is just so ignorant about people’s feelings. As others have said he was particularly condescending when talking about questions people had asked him. When he talks about someone asking him what happens when we die he says in a petulant voice,
“ I don’t know” Well that is not what he said before, which I think is on EPO where he goes into great detail about what happens after death. He also arrogantly says that k is unique and no one else can offer it. His ego is remarkable. There is lot’s more stuff that could be dissected but I haven’t the stomach for it.
I felt angry. appalled, shaky and sick to my stomach to think that I was ever part of this. This surprised me as I thought I was beyond being affected by this pillock. It scared me a bit as well. I hope I won't always still be affected by the creep. This stuff needs to be watched even though it is hideous. One thing it has definitely made me realize is that I will never go to see him again. I was thinking that, as I have a smart card I might go as a mole as others have done. I now know that I could not do it.
Mags
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:37:31 (EST)
From: zoloft
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Flying lessons
Message:
Flying lessons
First program. First chance to see Maharj Ji. I was sitting beside a hotel pool in Orlando waiting for the inspiration to join the darshan line that stretched quite a distance from the hotel to the site..
Hours passed until it and by then there was no more line. I ran upstairs to change, ran out the lobby, ran down the empty street, picking up speed as I neared the large empty field with large tents peppered about. People were shouting that Maharaj Ji was about to stop darshan. Gasping for air and pouring sweat, I spotted 2 people running behind each other at full speed towards a tent. The line!!! I ran behind them. Into a food tent. Should have known.Damn South American premies beelining for the leftover tofu burghers.
I rushed out and caught a glimpse of some huge pink wooden structure. Maharaj Ji.!!! I ran across the field, with people screaming that he was leaving. I put everything I had into getting to the pink wall, rushed around a corner and just then someone placed their hands in the small of my back and helped me forward. I went airborne. I had flown thousands of miles to see him and now I was flying across where he was, catching a fleeting nanosecond of bleurred toes and some thing orange, probably flowers. I crash-landed on my face in the sand about 10 feet past where he was sitting. The skin on my nose was shredded off and I began to bleed profusely down both cheeks.
I got up and stumbled into a vast enclosed area where hundreds of people where dancing in circles, singing and laughing. To this day I remember thinking ' F.. Holy Breath. What I really need are some stitches !!'
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 22:42:48 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: zoloft
Subject: Ha ha ha ha ha, shit this made me laugh
Message:
Is this your first post?
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:46:34 (EST)
From: Lesley
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: me too, very funny, welcome nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:06:17 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: zoloft
Subject: Brilliant, Zoloft!
Message:
Are you new here? If so, welcome!

John.

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:16:00 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Oh Horse Whappy, Sucha
Message:
Mr. Bananaman,

At the risk of raising your ire I am posting this missive to chastise you and lighten the burden of our fellow forum inhabitants.

First off, unless you very, very recently got some bad news, you ain't dyin'. We all have our little health crosses to bear by the time we reach this age. Most of us continue on for at least a couple more decades. I expect you will, too.

Secondly at the risk of total excommunication, I think you suffer from a bipolar condition. I'm not sayin' yer crazy--yer brilliant--but there's a lack of balance I'm seeing here and you are scaring the hell out of a lot of people.

Thirdly, it almost looks, from my viewpoint, that you are contemplating hurrying yourself into the light. Not nice, Swamiji. Hie thee to a good MD and get some medical intervention. There is good help out there in the form of meds and counseling that can smooth things out.

Lastly, perhaps you are very ill, something you haven't told me, and I think in that case you owe me an explanation with explicit details.

gerry--in a stern mood not to be trifled with.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:54:10 (EST)
From: anon
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: see Retirement Party post below [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 13:15:03 (EST)
From: anon
Email: None
To: anon
Subject: then read: the epilogue, please [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:22:30 (EST)
From: Marshall
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Clarification is called for here.
Message:
I thought very similar thoughts when I read suchabananas post last night. It sounded like veiled suicide threats to me, but then I thought maybe it's a newly discovered terminal illness.
Then again there is always the chance it's just an odd way of announcing retirement from the x-forum.
Overall, I'm confused about what is exactly going on, and
I agree that the proper thing to do is clarify this situation.
Right, Suchabanana?
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:11:10 (EST)
From: Mirror
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: Oh Horse Whappy, Sucha
Message:
Hey. I thought it was just the Swami dying! (You know, the forum persona?) I didn't understand it as any terminal illness of the actual person?

But then, I know nothing...

Swami Such's posts are great, too bad they're going to die.

Mirror

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:23:05 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Jesus Gerry - wots goin on?
Message:
I'm chain smoking meself into an early grave here! Sorry, probably not the best moment to mention graves.

Love
Moley

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:30:30 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Moley
Subject: Me too! OMG! Have a drink too Moley.
Message:
You got to be kidding Gerry!
Man, that is a dirty trick if it is true on Such's part.
I don't believe this! Say, 'it's ain't so'
Gerry, Such's post was so sincere and well, whatever. Maybe you should find out for sure before you start a thread like this.
I'm with Moley and I'm going to up it one, time for a glass of wine.
Gerry, you should be sure before you say what you just did.

Fondly,
Tonette

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:45:00 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Re: Me too! OMG! Have a drink too Moley.
Message:
Yep Tonette - I'll be joining you soon!!! Very wierd stuff sometimes - disembodied words. First of all I thought Such meant he was just leaving the forum, then I twigged. But if Such doesn't mean what he said literally, well he sure does mean SOMETHING by it.
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 13:59:54 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Moley
Subject: I'm with you, Moley and Tonette...
Message:
Me nerves are frayed to bits and pieces--what's flippin' going on?

I just ran out of smokes and gotta run out for more. I'll have that drink when I return.

Love to you both,
Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:15:31 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Love to you too Cynth
Message:
Spent some time crying. Such is special to me , as everyone here is (cliched as that sounds!). Haven't posted much lately - and when I do today - Christ, I don't know wot the hell is going on.

xx

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:43:37 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: I'm responding on the Forum...
Message:
...because Suchabanana posted so publicly on the forum. My first impulse was to email or call, but I saw the massive outpouring of concern and love here. The love part is fine and I feel the same way. It's the concern, worry and grieving set in place by his post which has me hopping on one foot.

I have insight into this matter to which y'all are not privy. Trust me on this one.

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:59:25 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: I'm responding on the Forum...
Message:
I HOPE it's not Such telling us he's got some sort of deadly illness that's just about to come to term. And I certainly hope he's not thinking of topping hisself. He bloody well better not be.

More likely he's just quitting the Forum in dramatic (though somewhat inconsiderate and tasteless) style.

I kept getting flashes of that 'Monty Python and Holy Grail' scene - the 'bring out yer dead' one (see pic. above).

(you know, - when the dead plague victims are being dragged out onto a cart for burial. One punter tries to chuck his old father-in-law on, but the bodycollector notices he's not dead yet. 'he will be in a minute' went the line …)
[ Graphic Link ]

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 22:31:30 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Suicide
Message:
Hi Chris,

An Ice-Cream Man committed suicide near us the other day. He was found in his car with his head covered in chocolate syrup, nuts, cherries, and hundreds and thousands.

He'd topped himself.

Anth the 99

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 09:48:25 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: LOLOL Anth...thanks [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 22:31:30 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Suicide
Message:
Hi Chris,

An Ice-Cream Man committed suicide near us the other day. He was found in his car with his head covered in chocolate syrup, nuts, cherries, and hundreds and thousands.

He'd topped himself.

Anth the 99

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 13:16:58 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: His name? Suchabanana Split? (nt)
Message:
His name? Suchabanana Split?
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:44:50 (EST)
From: Swami Suchabanana
Email: None
To: All
Subject: To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat:
Message:
To All My Dear Sisters and Brothers,

The time has come for one very silly old swami's mahasamadhi.

I stayed here for a purpose, for the sake of others -- who are all - just like you and me.

But now, I'm told, I need to start preparing myself for that big EXit -- which we all must make someday. hahaha

And I do wish to be prepared, and settle those things which still need to be completed.

So, if you all don't mind, I'd like to just say a few simple sincere things:

First, to Mr. Mind Maharaji - hehehe - you lil concept-maker, you Massa heart-breaker, a prisoner yourself - but that, I'm sorry, you can not see:

Thousands upon thousands of us sincere, guileless human beings came to you and trusted you with our open hearts, and some of us even surrendered big chunks of our lives -- and sacrificed our homes, our families, our health, and/or our careers.

When we had precious little, virtually nothing material, nor energy left to give -- in this entire universe -- we still dedicated it to you.

We brought countless others to what we misguidedly thought was your 'shelter.' Do you remember? YOU didn't do it. Your devotees did this all hard and menial work.

And some of us sacrificed a virtual tithing, when our own families could have been better fed or clothed or sheltered.

Do you know the voices and nightmares we have heard and seen? Of crying children, raped girls, broken families, a man wearing a metal plate (in place of part of his skull), and tender hearts everywhere broken into little pieces. For the sake of spreading Peace? Really? REALLY?

These are not the visions of 'dogs' or 'creatures', Mister - but JUST like you, Prem Rawat (and your entire family, too) - the cries of most precious and blessed Human Beings.

And what did you do, man? You fed at the trough of the altar of these human hearts -- and sucked and bled them dry. Yes, now THAT's what makes 'EX-premies!!'

When people were 'surrendering the reins of their lives,' and trusting you -- what did you do then? You BETRAYED Us!

Look at everything in this world that you foolishly play with. Who paid the terrible price for these frivolous toys - which will one day turn to dust - just like you?! Do I even Need to answer that question?! ok, well, it was your premies [aka pwks] -- and all these ex-premies HERE. Yes, indeed!

But, you are a prisoner of your own delusional upbringing and inculcated concepts, too, and now of your very own making and design, Prempal Singh Rawat. And my sister Marilyn from that Ingraham St. premie house, and your kids, and mistress, too.

And your infamous PAM honchos, of course, too -- those few who haven't already left you, that is.

And what will be your excuse, one day, when the white-robed figures of light with their backs turned, question You?

And remember your mantra: 'No cheat, no deceit?!' Did you truthfully, in your own life, practice what you preached -- to all of us who have ever been your devotees?!

What kind of a teacher is that -- who has Not even mastered his or her own lesson plans?!

Oh, or was it just 'lila,' or taking us beyond our concepts? But What about basic concepts of human Decency and Honour -- and Truthfulness?!

Yet, there was the promise of revelation and fulfillment that was repeated -- 'what you are seeking is within you.' Hey, so why did we ever come to - or feel a need for someone like you? Indeed, was it for this simple instruction of 4 yoga techniques that, as you have admitted, can be found in lots of books? But you added strings -- all attached to worshipping yourself and putting other human beings beneath you. Using people like objects - for your very own pleasures, too.

Was there ever some magical connection and superstitious transmission at the time of initiation? Hey, if you can receive Knowledge now from an electric CD player or a video cassette recorder -- then, I guess that's your Real GURU! hahaha Or, is it the electric utility company? hahahahahaha!

No, it is the individual's Own sincerity, effort, humility and openness that provides the awareness of any experience within, of one's very own universal life energy -- the secret silent space where any devotion truly belongs.

Speaking of one's own universal life energy -- who can claim ownership, mister? Not you. If you show a baby the sun outside, does that make you the owner of the sun, too? If you know something worthwhile and pass it along -- you are merely a custodian, a messenger, and sometimes even a teacher.

But a teacher should always be a good role model -- and practice what the teacher is preaching to others. Walk that walk - for it is said that talk is cheap!

No, most sadly, you have failed us.

But, we have all fallen short, yes -- and We All have sinned, too. But there are some among us who are consciously trying, each day, to do better in our lives - in each small way. And we truly ask forgiveness from those whom we have ever hurt or offended, and we likewise forgive, too. [here on the forum, also. I too am sorry, dear friends. I hope you will not judge me harshly - now, or when I am gone.]

But where are Your apologies, sir - to all the wounded hearts, of those whom you betrayed?

When did you first begin to practice that cheat and deceit? Or, are you so deluded?

At every moment, there are choices to be made. Right and wrong, effort or sloth, constructive or destructive, altruistic or selfish, harmful or harmless, etc. But What choices - oh, so-called master - did you yourself make? Our role model of 'perfection?'

If all these many testimonial reports are true: Harboring and aiding would-be assassins, lying and fleeing from vehicular manslaughter, defiling your conjugal bed, and embracing a selfish conceit and gross addiction to materialism that often showed little concern for the plight of others - your own devotees.

Yes, I have sinned, too. And I was, and am, most deeply ashamed - in the face of my own inner Light. I have wept bitter tears for my own mistakes and transgressions.

By when will you - Ever? And when will you face the truth? At that last moment -- or later? I can not judge -- for as you once personally told me (as a teenager) - don't judge each other - for we are all brothers a and sisters. But also - don't judge yourself - for you are somebody, too.

No, rather let us all AWAKE now - each and every one. And let us find solace in the shelter of genuine human compassion, kindness, and understanding - regardless of any other beliefs or philosophies.

Now, who has sent me to deliver this message, Mr. Prempal? Well - the spirits of the True swamis -- and the same power which enlightened the guru of your very own guru, too.

But I am just a filthy, lowly person. And I have my own accounts to balance on these scales, as well.

I pray for forgiveness and understanding, myself. And with however many breaths I still have left -- I shall endeavor to make peace, and make amends.

But I do keep stumbling, and sometimes even fall down. And then, it becomes an effort sometimes to wipe the dust and dirt off this cloth dhoti - and to stand on one's own two feet -- which we must do, time and time again!

And I pray: that I may never lose my way again - in this world, or if there is any world to come!

So, dear brothers and sisters, it is almost my time to leave. Please, my lil stupid ego would hope you all would think kindly. But to those I have chastised [even you Maharaji), or ever gotten into a famous ladu-slinging session - I only thought to do it for instruction [and, yes, sometimes digressed, reacting like a fool (for I am most fallible and human, too).

I have often been a fool, yes -- when looking in the mirror of truth in life. I see my mirror - not just within - but in those mirrors of others' faces, and in their eyes.

But I hope we have been truly learning something here -- that will better and benefit everybody concerned, or so affected.

Please, let us help each other -- with empathy. Verily, evil is the absence of empathy -- for those other created beings, and for this very creation, which is Not of Our making.

Believe and follow the paths of your own true selves, as you will, and as you yourself have chosen. For your path will surely be a little different from others - and nobody else is going to walk in your shoes. But let us try and respect each other. For our spirits, our entities, are all the same and equal in the glimmer of the eyes of infinity. We can not therefore honestly place ourselves above. or below. the same created beings as ourselves -- except in kindness or humility. For we can each learn something new from each other -- as we have all been doing here. It's true.

And whenever we come to a fork on our paths, my advice (from worn-out sandal-tested treads and road experience) is: do Not take the easy, low road. Take the High Road!! It leads to one's own personal redemption - without bitterness or regret or bad karma [hehe], in the end.

[I should have been a preacher -- haha -- like my grandfather in heaven, bless him. But I have fallen short, and now must use this time well -- and settle these worldly affairs, and make amends, and do my own anonymous secret devotions.]

Was this life worth it? I sure hope so. It has been - for me, now, at long last - at long last, finally!

...ok then, da lil banana watch says the grains of time are slowly expiring, for me here:

Blessed are the peacemakers. And Blessed are those who are pure of heart, and mind, and body. Bless all those who suffer. Please fill our hearts with that true nectar -- of loving kindness and compassion - for each other.

I LOVE YOU ALL

I LOVE YOU ALL

Peace and lentils,

da lil swami

[aka an imperfect devotee, and a rotten teacher, too. hahaha]

P.S. And if we should ever meet again, I hope to do much better next time - although I was often hoping for a final release this lifetime - or sometime soon [hoho]. But, how can I find my comfort in any supposed heaven -- when I can still hear the cries of other human beings who are suffering?! Such is my nature.

btw, If the Spirit of Such should ever hover near here again, I hope you won't mind my silly or stupid company. For I love dearly this fellowship - this company of Truth!!!

...into the Light of understanding, into the Light of truth, into the Light of ultimate peace - free - free at last! Thank God, Almighty! Thank GOD, ALMIGHTY! FREE, AT LAST!!!

my LOL [= Lots of Love!]...

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:04:58 (EST)
From: Kelly
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: Goodnight sweet swami,
Message:
and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest'.

I'm sorry I'm a bit late for the retirement party, I just hope you can still hear me from the beyond, or are you beyond the beyond?

I'm gonna miss you lil swami, I've so much enjoyed your humour and humanity, and indeed your wisdom. You are a very wise fool! You have played quite a part here in awakening me and many others from the blissful ignorance of premiedom. It was a great part and you played it well. I'd like everyone to join me in a standing ovation.

( sounds of scraping of chairs and shuffling of feet) Hurrah! Bravo!
Encore!

Prostrations at da smelly feet, sob, for da last time,
Toejamanand

PS I look forward to your next incarnation, how will we know you?

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 19:52:46 (EST)
From: Abi
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: sweet Such...
Message:
Dear Bananaman,

hope you are OK. A bit confused by your post but found much of it very moving and true. Maybe something bad has just happened in your life. Hope you are healing.

Compassion.

Abi

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 17:04:40 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: Re: To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat:
Message:
Take Care and Take it easy Such. You've produced some brillaint and insightful posts in your time and have really and truly helped a lot of people as a result.

Sure will be missed .....but whatever you have to face, I'm sure you'll face it wisely.

Cheers Such

Dermot

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 16:44:47 (EST)
From: Bai Ji
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: Swamiji,,What do you mean?
Message:
Are you physically ill or are you leaving the Forum for a while?
Your post moved me to tears and its only 6.30 am.
Your insights have helped me so much in the short time i have been reading here. I will feel your absence greatly.

If you are ill, then you have so much love and support here i know.
It seems many of us have been physically used up to the point of exhaustion, Mentally, Emotionally and Spiritually by the pursuit of bhakti at m's feet.

I have been fighting recent feelings of having cancer lately, i am so depressed and tired.
This needs to be checked by practical tests and i need to start taking care of myself as for the last 30 years, i always put myself at the end of the Importance list.
Maybe for you it is the same, I don't know....I hope I'm not being rude or presumptuous by responding like this.

It is strange feeling care and concern for someone I don't even know except through their expression of writing here.

Yes..this is the Company of Truth, brave,scared,fallible little human beings, who long to rise to our noblest fulfilment. Even though we were led astray, that longing prevails.

Dear SuchabananaSwamiJi.
Please be OK
May Peas & Lentils and all things Leguminous be on you.
Your sister Bai Ji XXXX

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:32:03 (EST)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: Gee, Such, this is sudden sad news
Message:
Along with untold other lurkers I gained insight and delight from your irreverent wit. You surely helped put the perspective and humor back into an otherwise troubling -- and for many, an anguishing -- extrication from the psychic clutches of culthood.

But call me slow, a question remains: Are you actually, physically, imminently dying, as Pia did recently? Or have you merely tired of the whole forum reading and posting routine under the 'Swami' persona? Either way, you will be missed, big time. You've made a huge difference in the understanding of many people, judging by the interactions over these several years.

I hope you are well, or will get well in the best and fastest way possible.

Carl

P.S.: Great post, as always. I'll be saving it for sure.

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:31:53 (EST)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: suchabanana
Message:
I read this and worry you are dying or going to hurt yourself. Maybe your meaning meant to be clear but it isn't.

A lot of what you wrote was very touching and important.

But could you do a kindness to those of us who worry about anonymous souls on the net and clarify exactly what kind of exit you are making. It could reassure some of us net friends if it isn't as bad as it sounds.

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 14:15:28 (EST)
From: Gregg
Email: binduesque@yahoo.com
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: the speed of light
Message:
Thank you for all you've said on this forum over the two or three years I've been hanging out here. Your voice is your own voice; but I've heard the voice of others through yours - the voice of those who've always been with us to remind us about awareness and compassion.

I do regret that I never got a chance to hear your music or play some tunes with you. But such is life, Such, as you know...fleeting and beautiful.

Gregg

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 13:29:11 (EST)
From: Chris
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: Re: To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat:
Message:
Peace and lentils, I'm another who'll miss your great posts. I wanted to reply to your recent post re how gurus only dish out more concepts, which is right on, and to cheer you on in the concept-fighting war, so I'm saying it now!

And your wonderful post from December reminding me to be kind to myself always and to indulge all the little pleasures I can from life whenever I can, because as you know, life sure is short!

Cheers to you, da lil swami :)

Chris Concept Catcher & Capsizer

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 13:22:18 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: Choosing to be optimistic
Message:
Hey Such, being an optimistic person, I'm assuming you are leaving the Forum for awhile, or maybe even permanently, but that you will still be around being the creative person you are. Your brilliant mind and ability to turn a phrase will be missed. [I have to say, the only thing I didn't like was your mimicking of black slave lingo, but that might just be my bleeding-heart liberal sensitivities. Liberals are supposed to worry and moan about that stuff, you know.:)]

But before you go into other endeavors, hopefully something on the creative side that will use your talents, why don't you tell us who you are? I have wondered about that.

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 13:18:00 (EST)
From: housemum
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: I love you, Such. (nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 13:00:25 (EST)
From: Maria
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: Such I never knew you, but . . .
Message:
your words and wisdom were the greatest, I love you too sweet dear brother
hugs and love
Maria
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:37:17 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: Dear Suchabanana...
Message:
To say I am so sorry are empty words but it's how I feel. Of all the good men I've met on this cyber-ride, you have imparted so much wisdom and strength, humor and insight. I thank you for that.

We've even fought and made up, a sign of true brother and sister. I will miss you very much. I hope you're not too afraid, Such. I hope you don't have to suffer to much pain.

Aw, Such, this news has flattened me, but I know you wouldn't want that. So I cry my tears for you, I send my prayers up for your beautiful soul.

Goodbye, Sweet Swami Suchabanana, peas and lentils, too
Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:12:56 (EST)
From: Ulf
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: Re: To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat:
Message:
Dear such
Reading your post ,i feel so sorry , i cannot say much .
But i would , want you to know, that you have my deepest respect

you are my true brother.

I am sorry that i once was giving you some hard words

It was all a part of my own deprogramming ,, see ?

And this time , for sure, i would love to invite you , to go fishing with me

Regards and love Ulf

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:55:48 (EST)
From: wolfie
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: Re: To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat:
Message:
Hi Swami,

is it a joke or is it blue and true? If it's a joke I would like to have you as a friend and if it is a fact I will remember you when it's time for me to go and many times when I sing my song.

your brother eating lentils.................wolfie.....love you

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:53:29 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: God, Such!
Message:
Are you really that ill? God, man, I'm so sorry. You and I sparked a bit when you first started posting but, over time, I grew to respect you so much. I was so much hoping to meet you in the flesh one day, maybe even play a little music. Such, please, if you're feeling up to it, I'd at least like to talk to you sometime. At your pleasure, of course. If you feel like it. If you want, you could send me your number:

jimheller@shaw.ca

Mine's (250) 360-1040 ... I call forward to the office during the day and take it off at night. Please, if you do call and have to leave a message, just tell the receptionist it's Suchabanana. That'll work. :)

Love and respect, Peas and lentils,

Jim

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:51:29 (EST)
From: magiclara
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: Re: To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat:
Message:
Hi Such
Your post made me cry. It is sad but really lovely. I am so sorry to hear your news. Your posts have made me laugh and cheered me up when I felt weighed down by the exiting process.
Love Mags
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:40:56 (EST)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: Oh Suchie.. I didnt even know u were ill :(
Message:
I am so sorry

and so happy to have met you here

Love and light

A sad Loafie
xxx

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:15:54 (EST)
From: Pullaver
Email: pullaver@yahoo.ca
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: To Such a Great Soul
Message:
Dear Such,

You have consistently amazed me and touched me with your great wit, humour and heart over the past eight months that I have been 'witnessing' here at the forum. It's obvious that you are a man of many talents and gifts, not the least of which, is your elegant, poignant writing skills. Your relentless, creative missives skewering, parodying, and revealing the cheat and deceit of the man behind the perfect master curtain will continue to educate and illumninate. I will lobby JHB to create a spot on EPO where your posts will live on to inspire and warn others in perpetuity. Please e-mail me at the above address.

Much love and affection, Pullaver

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:40:34 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Pullaver
Subject: Say it ain't so Swami Ji
Message:
What an amazing post, Such. I am stunned to say the least. At first I hoped you were doing a theater piece a la comedian Andy Kaufman who faked his demise as a publicity stunt. I can tell from the intensity of your post that it is for real. This and your other recent posts carry an insistant urgency that cannot be ignored. I agree with Pullaver that your posts need their own spot on EPO. From the big-ning, you have told it like it is with so much passion and humor. You have proven without a doubt that when the king can't laugh at himself to preserve his own humanity and save his kingdom, the court jester must show everyone how to laugh at the king. Your writing and forum personna are unique in all the world.

Love you,
Richard

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 22:56:10 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Maharajese: From the beg-ig-ning [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:57:08 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: moldy_warp@hotmail.com
To: Richard
Subject: Such - I'm gonna save your post
Message:
forever. I LOVE YOU TOO.

I agree totally with Richard and Pullaver.

I don't know what else to say... words an' all - kinda inadequate. Not really taken it in.
I'll remember forever your recipes (got some on my PC), and your peace and lentils, and, most of all, YOU.
Email me if you like.I would like. But, no worries, if you don't. Goodbye, for now, dear Such,

All my love
Moley

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 10:42:59 (EST)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: Re: To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat:
Message:
Are you going to move to the sat chit chat forum that is linked above?

Your typing fingers are going to drag you back to the keyboard and you might as well let us continue to read your evil rants.
bytheway,thatwasquiteapostsuchie.

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:25:13 (EST)
From: bill, more hobbit than troll
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: I like all your posts Tonette [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:23:58 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: bill, more hobbit than troll
Subject: You have one over on me then.....
Message:
About half of the time, when I re-read my posts, I think, 'How in the hell could you write that?' So you have one better on me Bill in that you like my posts and you are perhaps being too kind. Some of my posts are rambling, emotional outbursts, IMO.
Anyway, thanks for forgiving me for my snafu. I guess I'm feeling a little protective of Such.
Take care, Fondly, Tonette
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 15:58:42 (EST)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Re: You have one over on me then.....
Message:
Hey Tonette, you only have to go to the early forum archives to see
loads of delerious posts that were never as clear and honest as
any of your possibly 'rambling, emotional outbursts' as you said.

Your posts are always genuine and that makes them very readable.
We all should avoid rereading our posts much, the author is the hardest critic quite often!

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:39:38 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: OMG! Don't you dare.
Message:
Please don't read any of my earlier posts. I had no idea about forum etiquette, no regard to the people here. Well, Pat C said it most eloquently, something to the effect of 'falling flat on my face.'

But I do laugh about it now. I had no idea that the forum could elicit a response much like a plumber snaking out the toilet bowl.

If I could hack the archives, I'd delete the evidence.

You're very kind.

Fondly,
Tonette

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 16:38:41 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Tonette...
Message:
Hi again,

Bill and I go way back. He was a premie in the same community when I got sucked in. His humor is wonderful and his eyes are beautiful. He is a rare gem here, even though he doesn't post as often as I'd like him to.

I just wish he'd f**king email me once in a while!

Hint, hint....Bill....sylviecyn@yahoo.com

Busy Bill....

Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:51:11 (EST)
From: bill
Email: None
To: bill
Subject: I was referring to my posts [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 09:02:17 (EST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: Death, be not proud
Message:
This is one of John Donne's (1572 - 1631) Holy Sonnets. Never have the words Soonest with thee our best men do go hit me so hard. I'm sorry Such.


    Death, be not proud, though some have called thee
    Mighty and dreadful, for thou art not so;
    For those whom thou think'st thou dost overthrow,
    Die not, poor Death, nor yet canst thou kill me.

    From rest and sleep, which but thy pictures be,
    Much pleasure; then from thee much more must flow,
    And soonest our best men with thee do go,
    Rest of their bones, and soul's delivery.

    Thou art slave to fate, chance, kings, and desperate men,
    And dost with poison, war, and sickness dwell;
    And poppy or charms can make us sleep as well
    And better than thy stroke; why swell'st thou then?

    One short sleep past, we wake eternally,
    And death shall be no more; Death, thou shalt die.

Posted by JohnT
- never a premie

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 05:28:25 (EST)
From: the unknown soldier
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: Re: To Everyone, incl. Prempal Rawat:
Message:
may god bless you and if ya meet brother jimi up there ask him to
play purple haze once again for all of us...
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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 09:27:14 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: the unknown soldier
Subject: We shall gather at the forum
Message:
Thanks for the nice touch Swami such. If you still find yourself in your body in the near future stop in and impart some Swamizm's on us from time to time.

Seriously, that was a fine piece of writing you left us with. Got me to thinking, what was it all for, all these years of involvemnet with the guru. Sit with a handful of meditation techniques for x amount of years and then die, so what does that accomplish.

According to the exualted ruler I am not really worthy of realizing the gift. I really do not deserve the experience and I couldn't possibly understand or ever realize it anyway stupid me. The big guy is the only one who is supposed to know what is going on the rest of us will remain forever clueless so don't even bother to ask questions.

So really then, what is in it this thing for me????? I guess that leaves me spending my entire life gawking at the guru, wondering how in the hell did he get to be so enlightened, hoping that at the end of it all when I depart this earth he is finally going to show up out of the ethers and personally deliver me to the promised land.

That is provided I meet the necessary criteria for being a good devotee, consistently had good seats at the festivals, in other words I sent in ample monies over the years, performed enough selfless service, watched enough video's etc, etc

Sounds like a religion to me, a big old heavy concept, another belief system, just a whole new batch of blather and bullshit.

Now what was that thing m used to say about surrendering concepts, beliefs, and no need for a new religions?

What a sorry joke M turned out to be, his and the self righteous cult members general position on this is that it would all work perfectly if one simply shuts up, never asks questions, never doubts the master, if something feels or looks flaky, its an illusion, a lila, rewrite, revise, justify, do what ever it takes to keep the myth going. It is so sick, sick, sick

Get the equivelant of a spiritual lobotomy, I get so disgusted thinking about the time I spent in la la land believing the fantasy.

When I was a little boy for a time I believed in Santa Claus, I used to stand in the Santa darshan line, you know the drill.

Then I grew up

the yeah right!

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 05:09:42 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Swami Suchabanana
Subject: I'm really going to miss you.
Message:
We never met but I feel as if I know you. You have no ammends to make to me but should take note of how you touched my mind and heart with many of your posts, in a most beautiful way. How many times you made me laugh and now cry. I got more out of reading what you have to say than I ever did listening to Maharaji.

I will think of you when I come to this forum and send you a hello.

You may not be here on Earth to witness the final curtain call for Maharaji but rest assured, there will always be ex's here to help guide and help premies exit. I think someday the cult will end too.

If there's anything I can do for you please call me. 301-229-8650

Love,
Tonette

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 08:48:29 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: you bring tears.
Message:
to my heart that fall from my eyes. How can I ever, ever thank you for being here in my darkest of all hours, when I landed on this forum after reading EPO?
In those early days, when my world and being fell into a million pieces, you in your kindness, helped picked me up and put me back together. As you, and the seasoned veterans here, have done for countless others. Because of your generosity, relentless quest for truth, countless hours of investigative reporting, facts were uncovered and pieces of the great knowledge puzzle made sense.

I wish for you love in abundance, now and forever.
Thank you dear, sweet Swami.

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 12:08:50 (EST)
From: Joy
Email: JoyFenwick@aol.com
To: Vicki
Subject: Dear Such (my all-time favorite anon moniker)
Message:
Although we never met or spoke in person, I feel that you are such a good man and have done so much good here at EPO, by sharing your thoughts and heart with us all. You will be sorely missed, and I agree with some of the others above that there should be a special corner reserved for you on EPO where your best posts (some of which were absolutely stunning) can live and rave on forever.

May the TRUE light and love envelop you now and forever. . .
A big final cyber hug,
Joy

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Date: Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 13:00:59 (EST)
From: Anandaji
Email: None
To: Joy
Subject: Peace and lentils
Message:
Dear Swami Suchabanana
---

I am a newcomer here and was only beginning to recognize you as a person with a great handle, a wonderful intellect and humor, and finally the signature 'peace and lentils.'

I enjoy the writings of Emmanual Swedenborg, who, allegedly entertained angels who escorted him to heaven to see what the truth was about that place. He came back and wrote 17,000 pages about his findings (with a quill and ink!).

Basically, he found that: so above as below. If we want to know what heaven is like, just have a look around. In heaven we will find ourselves in one of 'many mansions', one filled with the type of people we have surrounded ourselves with on earth.

If, when I die, I do not find myself surrounded with people such as yourself I will be very dissapointed.

I am starting to realize that the only place we can ever find God at this level is in a compassionate, egalitarian community, such as we have here. Your message is extraordinary. I found God there.

God speed, my beautiful new brother.

Peace and lentils. See you later.

Anandaji

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:07:30 (EST)
From: channeling... suchabanana:
Email: None
To: Anandaji
Subject: Thanks for the retirement party!
Message:
'My Dear Friends:

Sheesh, I am so very humbled by all your moving expressions, too [as usual]. I feel unworthy of you esteemed souls, in these tired eyes. This was supposed to be a retirement party - not a wake - yet! [haha]

Please -- Don't worry; be happy! The rumours of my demise are greatly exaggerated. Old soldiers never die -- they just fade off into the sunset... hohoho

But really, Many Sincere Thanks [and sorry] to anybody who might have actually been too concerned, however. [ok, I've got some serious matters to deal with, at the moment -- like some of you, too. That's all I'll say.]

Now -- C'mon, awweddy, I am a character, after all, fer crying out lard! (and, btw, that thilly vernacular and shtick was inspired by Mr. Natural, Groucho Marx, Brooklynese slang, Looney Tunes, Firesign Theater, Kabir, Rumi, Emerson, Wordsworth, etc., 'mahatmas' we have known, the ol' professor speaking, and part Mark Twain -- yes indeed, for we were runaway slaves, like Jim [in Huck Finn], too).

When first I came to ex-premie.org, and I read the forum -- my spirit almost suffocated with the terrible pain and anguish I could hear and see, and also sense beneath all the anger which was happening. And so, my secret lil swami soul decided to lighten the proceedings a bit. Without levity, no levitation!

And so, I adopted satire to reach the core of some issues and problems, at other times being completely serious - wherever appropriate. I hope we've had some fun, too! Humour can be quite healing and exhilarating [i.e. Ted Farkel and others, too]. For, we all could use a lil experiencing of the playful side of life again. Find joy where you can, while you can -- and please - share it, too.

And every decent and sincere person here has been playing a beautiful part in the bigger 3-dimensional cyber movie and drama [with heroines, heroes, and villains], as well as this whole movie of life itself. There are good sequels forthcoming, too, besides just Night of the Living Cult, and Nightmare on Race Street, etc., which we have already seen probably too many times by now.

Yeah, I just cried watching the final scene of this lil movie here, too. But those actors are still around afterwards to get their checks and Oscars. [haha] Look, I'm just going to take my baragon and blanket, and go into da cave, and go bleepin' full tilt boogie for a few yugas... 'cause sometimes dat's what I like -- and need to do. [really, ...Gabe has another big job for me...ssshhhh..]

And haven't we all learned the lessons of the True swamis -- who reside in each of us - the truths in our own Hearts -- working in perfect synchronicity and harmony with our Brains - not disjointed, but intrinsically connected?!

In the final analysis, da lil swami was just a symbol, a metaphor of some deep part of whatever we have experienced or endured, to reach this point of understanding - here and now. It was an honest attempt to assert a haven, too, where all those (just like you and me) who have been so affected could come and feel most welcome.

And so, I was simply a messenger - a vehicle - who came here on my own lil divine light mission, too [hehehe - sorry for that one!], to speak my own truth and perhaps a lil bit of understanding, and to do whatever I could to help in all our healing -- for, we are truly all one and the same in spirit, my dears.

Look! Have we not stood on our own 2 feet - and reclaimed what was rightfully ours - from the very beginning?! Then, Rejoice!

So, if lil swami ever does kick the bucket, fear not -- another shall appear in my place on the internet in a different form, God willing -- you'll see. But you shall know that person by - a real name.

And to me, you are all mahatmas and bais, too. Speaking personally, I hope you won't forget me; and how could I ever forget you?! You are truly a part of my heart and life now. For we have shared so much together. So, continue...

Thank you, dear friends.

Peace and lentils, XXXOOO such

[fadeout...].

Director: 'ok, now, we cut to da credits...' [dat's a wrap, dudes!]

Producer: God

Director: Gabriel L. Trumpeter

Special Effects: Raphael D. Painter

Screenwriter: Michael B. Goode

Starring: a cast of thousands

shot on location in: India, United States, Canada
United Kingdom, France, Australia, Germany, Spain,
Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Ireland, Italy, Switzerland,
Argentina, New Zealand, South Africa, and Latvia...

grip: gerry lyng

lighting: Jean-Michel Kahn

best boy: John Brauns

makeup: Brian and Katie

legal advisors: Marianne and Jim

catering: Joubert's

Copyright 2002 Metro-Golden-Bananas

bbbbbbbbbbbbbbb - dat's all, Folks!

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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 19:41:04 (EST)
From: PatD
Email: None
To: channeling... suchabanana:
Subject: Supercilious Motherfucker eat shit !!! [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 21:24:09 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: PatD
Subject: Slightly displeased Pat D? :)
Message:
Will it go down well with peas and lentils?
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Date: Thurs, Jan 24, 2002 at 13:07:09 (EST)
From: Epilogue:
Email: None
To:

Subject: Dedicated to all those who
Message:



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