Ex-Premie Forum 7 Archive
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Bai Ji -:- LaEx, What a Lucid Distillation... -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:04:20 (EST)
__ Disculta -:- To Bai Polar -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 22:31:27 (EST)
__ __ Bai Ji -:- Re: To Bai Polar -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 22:45:32 (EST)
__ Dermot -:- Spank you too -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:39:29 (EST)
__ __ Bai Ji -:- Re: Spank you too -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:43:50 (EST)
__ __ __ Thelma the Thunderstealing Bitch -:- Leave the spanking to me, Bai Ji -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:01:21 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Bai Ji -:- Re: Leave the spanking to me, Bai Ji -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:09:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Xaviera Hollander -:- Re: Leave the spanking to me, Bai Ji -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:12:46 (EST)
__ Richard -:- Bai Ji, links and stuff -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:17:53 (EST)
__ __ Bai Ji -:- Hi Richard.. -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:50:07 (EST)
__ __ __ PatC -:- Richard has Bai Ji seen GetSmartCards yet? -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:19:28 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Richard -:- OK, you asked for it. -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:54:23 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ GetSmart -:- McDuck reveals his identity -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 00:36:13 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Bai Ji -:- Anth.. Ye wee Bugger Quack Quack! (nt) -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:23:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- It's not Anth -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 13:36:05 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ McDuck -:- Re: It's not Anth -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 17:48:34 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- This is funny Richard [nt] -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 00:40:57 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Ashram photo early 70's -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 00:10:27 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Pullaver -:- Re: Ashram photo early 70's -:- Thurs, Jan 31, 2002 at 18:32:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Try Again??? -:- Re: Ashram photo early 70's -:- Thurs, Jan 31, 2002 at 18:53:27 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Can't see image -:- Just square w/X in it [nt] -:- Thurs, Jan 31, 2002 at 21:12:06 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ If ya wanna see it disregard -:- 'Try Again?' and click the post above (nt) -:- Thurs, Jan 31, 2002 at 21:46:56 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Works with Exlporer, not Navigator [nt] -:- Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 14:20:32 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ housemum -:- Old newspaper found -Light Reading -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 00:50:59 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ janet -:- Light Reading -:- Thurs, Jan 31, 2002 at 03:57:15 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ OTS -:- New Deli -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:16:07 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ housemum -:- Thanks, OTS. more names -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:17:07 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Re: Thanks, OTS. more names -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 13:03:31 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Bai Ji -:- Crowd Shots.. -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:30:25 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ housemum -:- Re: Crowd Shots, GREAT (nt) -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 02:12:41 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Bai Ji -:- Re: Ashram photo early 70's -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 00:26:04 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Who's in photo -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 00:09:27 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ OTS -:- Re: Who's in photo -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:22:52 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- You're right, OTS -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:55:00 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ OTS -:- Re: You're right, OTS -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 11:40:00 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Names in photo -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:20:28 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Re: Names in photo -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:56:20 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Joe -:- Well, maybe -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 16:31:19 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Re: OK, you asked for it. -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 22:50:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ housemum -:- I love these pix! (nt) -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:48:39 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Lust Ji -:- Re: OK, you asked for it. -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 22:39:13 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Lust Ji -:- Re: OK, you asked for it. -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 22:38:20 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ housemum -:- Photos -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 22:06:56 (EST)

Forum Janitor -:- Deleting some stuff so save what u want -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:52:14 (EST)
__ Moley -:- Gee thanks Gerry -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 19:36:59 (EST)
__ Jim -:- You know what? This is a good way to do it -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:58:51 (EST)
__ __ gerry -:- You had some mojo in that thread, -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:14:35 (EST)
__ __ __ PatC -:- You're getting so refined, gerry -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:38:28 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Please, no more livestock jokes! [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:44:19 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Poor Barry, the man without a cult -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:37:01 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Moley -:- LOLOL Jim [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:33:25 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Telling people you're in a cult -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:29:36 (EST)
__ __ __ bill -:- Re: You had some mojo in that thread, -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:36:59 (EST)

Richard -:- M's survival strategy - repost -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:11:52 (EST)
__ Cynthia -:- Re: M's survival strategy - repost -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:27:40 (EST)
__ PatD -:- There's no show without Punch...... -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:45:48 (EST)

Zoloft -:- Apology -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:59:24 (EST)
__ Deborah -:- Take care of yourself -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:44:15 (EST)
__ AJW -:- A couple of questions AJW. -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:37:01 (EST)
__ PatC -:- Apology accepted, Zoey -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 16:16:06 (EST)
__ __ Zoloft -:- Re: Apology accepted, Zoey -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:10:39 (EST)
__ __ __ silvia -:- Re: Apology accepted, Zoey -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 19:40:50 (EST)
__ __ __ PatC -:- Not ''ridiculizing'' Zoey -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:45:26 (EST)
__ __ __ Richard -:- Thanks Zoloft -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:13:44 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Jim Beam -:- Re: Thanks Zoloft -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:31:54 (EST)

Jean-Michel -:- New article about M on EPO -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:59:59 (EST)
__ Vicki -:- Re: New article about M on EPO -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:55:11 (EST)
__ Kev -:- Question? -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:27:36 (EST)
__ Jean-Michel -:- Something's wrong -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 13:01:53 (EST)

Loaf -:- Fence sitting gives you splinters... -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:31:09 (EST)
__ Marshall -:- Re: Fence sitting gives you splinters... -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 13:15:15 (EST)

Vicki -:- Offensive -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 09:56:48 (EST)
__ Steve Mueller -:- Once more, Think: F7 is Forever, folks -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 14:18:39 (EST)
__ __ Francesca :~) -:- Right on, Steve -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:10:15 (EST)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Right on, Francesca... -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:21:21 (EST)
__ __ __ Moley -:- No no no -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:19:53 (EST)
__ __ __ __ PatC............LOL, Fran - -:- ''Getting in the last word...'' -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:25:29 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Francesca :~) -:- Yes we are an opinionated bunch -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:14:34 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Please Listen... -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 16:07:49 (EST)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- Listening...but... -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 16:57:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Pullaver -:- Not me . . . -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 19:13:28 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- Re: Not me . . . -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 22:22:13 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Nige, I responded to you below... -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:05:29 (EST)
__ __ Richard -:- Precisely, Steve -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:34:41 (EST)
__ __ Joe -:- Steve, point well taken (nt) -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:18:06 (EST)
__ PatD -:- Agree Completely [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 13:23:02 (EST)
__ housemum -:- thanks Vicki -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:39:02 (EST)
__ Sulla -:- Re: I agree... -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:35:21 (EST)
__ __ Vicki -:- Delete the thread below?? -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:53:40 (EST)

Steve Mueller -:- Suggested Movie Title for M's Life -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:07:17 (EST)
__ Boogie Nights -:- and Holi Days -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 18:58:12 (EST)
__ Bai Ji -:- Bad Boy Bubby> -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:26:11 (EST)
__ Bodhi -:- 'Once upon a Dime' (nt) -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:52:14 (EST)
__ Friendly Z -:- Re: Suggested Movie Title for M's Life -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 00:12:08 (EST)
__ Dermot -:- The greatest story ever told [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:59:36 (EST)
__ Dermot -:- A life of Brian [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:46:38 (EST)
__ Dermot -:- Four 'techniques' and a funeral [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:45:44 (EST)
__ Dermot -:- The 'Five' commandments [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:44:33 (EST)
__ Dermot -:- Fatal Attraction [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:43:38 (EST)
__ Dermot -:- Superman [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:26:27 (EST)
__ Richard -:- Heavens Grate [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:57:13 (EST)
__ Dermot -:- The French Connection [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:50:57 (EST)
__ hamzen -:- Goldfinger (nt) -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:03:43 (EST)
__ Deborah -:- Mission Impossible [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:39:57 (EST)
__ Barbara -:- Dancing in the Dark (with Bjorn) [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 19:56:24 (EST)
__ __ Or -:- My Kingdom for a Condom [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:25:33 (EST)
__ Jim -:- Sex, Lies and Videotapes [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 19:35:55 (EST)
__ Joe -:- The Lounge Singer (nt) -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 19:17:32 (EST)
__ Francesca -:- Reincarnated corn dog on a Malibu beach [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:44:50 (EST)
__ Cynthia -:- My Life as a Hog...and -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:41:55 (EST)
__ Joe -:- Ugly Mind(nt) -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:19:29 (EST)
__ cq -:- 'Buddy can you spare some gratitude?' -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:06:21 (EST)
__ Richard -:- ''Oh Brother Where Art Thou?'?'u -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 14:00:11 (EST)
__ __ Deborah -:- Brother, that was funny -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 16:21:12 (EST)
__ The Horse's head -:- The Godfather NT -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 13:53:16 (EST)
__ Jim -:- Come on, Steve, you know there's only one -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 13:46:40 (EST)
__ Sulla -:- Down to earth or God's new way of life -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:16:15 (EST)
__ daughter -:- Daddy Dearest. nt -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:15:54 (EST)
__ Carl -:- 'Crouching Miser, Hidden Flagon' -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 10:29:30 (EST)
__ __ Moley -:- Surely you mean 'Hidden Baragon' [nt] -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 19:48:51 (EST)
__ __ __ Carl -:- Yeah, that also works! (Flagon = booze bottle) /nt -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:03:14 (EST)
__ __ GM -:- Agent 00Heaven nt -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:58:03 (EST)
__ __ __ janet -:- 'Secret Knowledge'? -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 05:15:49 (EST)

The Maharaji of Malibu's -:- latest picture -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 04:26:46 (EST)
__ The Maharaji of Malibu -:- won't like this-he's likened to Ossama -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 10:07:35 (EST)

Barry -:- what a day.....(OT) -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 00:24:23 (EST)
__ PatC -:- Fuck off, Barry -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 05:30:57 (EST)
__ __ Mr Hoo Flung Dung -:- Er Pat.. -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:15:39 (EST)
__ __ __ CAT!! -:- Fuck off Catweasel -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 09:18:19 (EST)
__ __ __ __ no-one -:- no subject -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:14:25 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Go back to sleep -:- Re: Fuck off Catweasel -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:00:54 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ JohnT -:- You don't think. Period. [nt] -:- Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:17:46 (EST)
__ __ __ Barry -:- LOL LOL LOL!!!(nt) -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:54:50 (EST)

Zoloft -:- Deborah -:- Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 22:46:07 (EST)
__ Carmen -:- Re: Deborah -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 00:22:28 (EST)
__ __ Jim -:- Honestly, Carmen? -:- Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 14:10:35 (EST)
__ Jim -:- I think you need to stare at her or something -:- Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 22:51:18 (EST)


Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:04:20 (EST)
From: Bai Ji
Email: None
To: All
Subject: LaEx, What a Lucid Distillation...
Message:
Of the MIND FUCK that HAS been and IS being perpetrated on all of the sincere people who have ever been involved with m.

La Ex, I am repeatedly amazed, at the intelligent dissection exes such as yourself, are able to perform.

The misinformation that we were/are forced to assimilate under the auspices of 'benevolent guidance' creates nothing more than cognotive dissonance within a human being.

I am shocked at this stage of my exiting to see how truly damaged I am. Emotionally, physically and if it even exists, my belief in spirituality, which until VERY recently was the axis of my whole existence.

The Spiritual/Mental Gymnastics which need to be performed in order to function with all this constantly revised crap of never being good enough and it's all someone else's fault, usually mine....Takes an inestimable toll upon our Core.

Thank you for putting a name to this crap.
It enables Crazy Making behaviour to be outed for what it is.
I have eaten this shit for 30 years and the cancer it encouraged now is getting it's first doses of Chemo and TLC.

I Love you Guys....
Bai Ji

As I am a novice, I do not know how to bring up the original postings from below. La's and mine together.
J are you out there? re advice. Spank you very much.

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 22:31:27 (EST)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Bai Ji
Subject: To Bai Polar
Message:
I think Bai Polar is a hysterical name.

Sorry to hear you're ill and glad you're getting better and applying TLC and self-love. With a good dose of those the transition from never being good enough to being brilliant just as you are can go pretty quickly, I have found.

Love Katie D. (whose pic is below)

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 22:45:32 (EST)
From: Bai Ji
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Re: To Bai Polar
Message:
Dear Katie Ji, It did me good to see your beautiful face again.
I apologise for not returning your invitation to write to you sooner. My energy is sooo low with all of this, I am not 'Fit for Human Consumption' as someone so eloquently said before.
I can smell the Gardenias already..
Love Bai Polar Ji ************Xxx
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:39:29 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Bai Ji
Subject: Spank you too
Message:
Sorry, couldn't resist it:) you mistakenly wrote 'spank you very much' at the end of your post.

I agree, LA EXES post was great.....but Richards re-posting of it was the first time I read it.

Cheers

Dermot

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:43:50 (EST)
From: Bai Ji
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: Re: Spank you too
Message:
Hi Dermie, Well now here's a revelation...
It was Intentional....
All those years of repressed sexuality erupting through my Sari.
God, who nows there may be hope for me yet.
Watch out escaped Nun.
Love to you.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:01:21 (EST)
From: Thelma the Thunderstealing Bitch
Email: None
To: Bai Ji
Subject: Leave the spanking to me, Bai Ji
Message:
If you think your mind is going through a revolution wait until you've been out of the cult for a year like me. That's when the repressed nun really takes the lid off and plays catch up for a lost youth or maybe I'm just going into my second childhood a bit early.

Pat:C)

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:09:47 (EST)
From: Bai Ji
Email: None
To: Thelma the Thunderstealing Bitch
Subject: Re: Leave the spanking to me, Bai Ji
Message:
Mea Culpa Mea Culpa
May I Train under the Worshipful Woman of Outrageousness Patsy...XXX
God now I have Lewd Dressing along with anti social behaviour to look forward to.

I knew I should have taken up heroin instead of Devotion.

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:12:46 (EST)
From: Xaviera Hollander
Email: None
To: Bai Ji
Subject: Re: Leave the spanking to me, Bai Ji
Message:
My God, i just realised I feeling slightly weller today.
I'm Snappy Reparteeing.

Oh, No Sorry it's just the Bai Polar disorder kicking In.

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:17:53 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Bai Ji
Subject: Bai Ji, links and stuff
Message:
Bai Ji,

Your critique of la-ex's post looked fine where it was, after his post. I assume you were directed there from my link to la-ex's post just 2 threads below this one M's survival strategy - repost. You could also have posted your reply there as PatD has done.

If you want to link to another post, copy the URL of that post and paste it into the Link URL: window. Provide a link name as well and voila.

Richard just being helpful

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:50:07 (EST)
From: Bai Ji
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Hi Richard..
Message:
Thank you for that..I hadn't got down that far to yours yet.

I've printed off your advice, my god i'm not such a Luddite after all!

BTW, as I told PatC recently, I printed out the photos of the Latvian Nite you guys had and I'm making an Ex Photo board in front of my office desk so that I can put your faces to your witty posts.

Helps me not to feel so alone.

Sad innit?

Truly. Jai Sat Chit of Anand my Brothers and Sisters.
AArrgghhh they're coming to take me away.. no laughing matter...
Bai Mac Shares.

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:19:28 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Bai Ji
Subject: Richard has Bai Ji seen GetSmartCards yet?
Message:
Bai Ji, if you haven't seen them or the Before and After pics of us, I'll try to find the links or maybe Richard's got them at his finger tips. If you want, you too can have your very own GetSmartCard.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:54:23 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: OK, you asked for it.
Message:
We had a bit of fun awhile back. One day, when we weren't arguing over the relative merits of discussing pornography on the forum and virtually spanking one another, I found some time to put together EPO's answer to SmartCards. Note, some of the photos are a bit fuzzy because the fine folks in our GetSmart creative department were working from small originals.

Bobby Mandrot put up the before and after pix. Anyone got the URL?
[ GetSmart ]

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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 00:36:13 (EST)
From: GetSmart
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: McDuck reveals his identity
Message:
McDuck has sent his photo to GetSmart so all may know is true identity. You saw it here first!
[ McDuck ]
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:23:12 (EST)
From: Bai Ji
Email: None
To: GetSmart
Subject: Anth.. Ye wee Bugger Quack Quack! (nt)
Message:
Tha's No How Ye Make Porridge.
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 13:36:05 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Bai Ji
Subject: It's not Anth
Message:
Bai Ji,

The picture isn't Anth, it is the person who posts as McDuck.

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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 17:48:34 (EST)
From: McDuck
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: It's not Anth
Message:
Thanks for the card, Richard. I appreciate your high quality, free graphic design service in the interests of dissent. Next time I need a passport in a hurry...

The technique for instant enlightenment I'm demonstrating in the mug shot is simple. There are no strings of devotion attached nor any demonstrable lineage involved, though I suppose quite a few shutterbugs have tried it before me.

You need an auto focus camera with a moveable flash. Point the camera at your reflection in a mirror and aim the flash directly upwards. Shoot. The benefits are manifold, including a dorky photograph to email to your friends.

McDuck

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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 00:40:57 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: GetSmart
Subject: This is funny Richard [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 00:10:27 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Ashram photo early 70's
Message:
Here's a photo of the 1263 Josephine ashram in Denver around 1973 or so.

Not pictured is the Hindu concept-crazed Mahatma just off camera forcing us to sing arti.

Richard
[ Ashram ]

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Date: Thurs, Jan 31, 2002 at 18:32:47 (EST)
From: Pullaver
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: Ashram photo early 70's
Message:
The Ottawa Community

Another early '70s premie community snapshot. A long-haired Jimmy Heller is the fourth guy from left under the guy (Phil DaCosta) in top left hand corner. The Indian guy on the left "Gupta", is the guy who took the rap for teletubby for the jewel smuggling episode.

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Date: Thurs, Jan 31, 2002 at 18:53:27 (EST)
From: Try Again???
Email: None
To: Pullaver
Subject: Re: Ashram photo early 70's
Message:
Ottawa Community mid '70s - James Heller 4th guy from left under the guy who is in top left hand corner.
[ Graphic Link ]
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Date: Thurs, Jan 31, 2002 at 21:12:06 (EST)
From: Can't see image
Email: None
To: Try Again?
Subject: Just square w/X in it [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Thurs, Jan 31, 2002 at 21:46:56 (EST)
From: If ya wanna see it disregard
Email: None
To: Can't see image
Subject: 'Try Again?' and click the post above (nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 14:20:32 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: If ya wanna see it disregard
Subject: Works with Exlporer, not Navigator [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 00:50:59 (EST)
From: housemum
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Old newspaper found -Light Reading
Message:
Oh my god, I love these pictures. This was when I was a premie and we all looked like such innocent little hippies, all stoned out on love. (at least in the photos).

As I write I am looking at the Nov 28, 1976, yellowed and tattered copy of Light Reading. It has an article about Unity School and the New Deli--anybody remember that place, was on 13th, run by Phil somebody from Phili, I think.

It has this: 'A letter from Durga Ji, was sent to all American Premies Nov. 12th requesting $upport (sic) in purchasing a $30,000. Aston Martin for Maharaji's 19th birthday present. Checks and money orders may be made payable to Guru Maharaj Ji and sent to (a PO box in Malibu) Put your return address on the envelope and remember that this PO box will not in use after Dec. 10. This opportunity to put Guru Maharaj Ji at the top of your Christmas list is supposed to be a surprise for him.'

Wow, next to that is an article about DUO okaying a combination coffer house, massage area, counseling center and all night hot line. Must of been a passing idea.

I have some artifacts from this era that are going to be dust soon. Are there other copies somewhere?

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Date: Thurs, Jan 31, 2002 at 03:57:15 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: housemum
Subject: Light Reading
Message:
My son's father was the art director of Light Reading. The vague attraction that led to the child's conception began over his drafting table one sunny afternoon when I was couriering some things for Mitchell Ditkoff, to go out elsewhere. The offices were in the third floor of the old Shelter/DUO house, the room that the three story wooden fire escape went up to, on the top floor.
So i feel a kind of peculiar sense of personal connectin when you mention Light Reading.
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:16:07 (EST)
From: OTS
Email: None
To: housemum
Subject: New Deli
Message:
Phil Seldes from Philadelphia did own and operate the New Deli in Denver, serving tofu salad and chickpea salad sandwiches and salads and soups in Denver to the thousands of local premies (and a couple of 'divine' in person deliveries). Dr. Ed ate there almost daily. Phil is a smiling massage therapist in Florida today.
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:17:07 (EST)
From: housemum
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: Thanks, OTS. more names
Message:
Thanks for the update on Phil Seldes, OTS. Is he still a premie? I loved the food there. I remember being in the New Deli when they announced that Elvis has died! LOL Didn't he have a lovely woman co-run the Deli with him? Brunette?

This was the same time that Rainbow Grocery was on the corner of Josephine and Colfax. I used to shop there. Here are some more names around that time--Billy Salmonsahn, Arty Granoff--any idea what became of them? What about Dr. Ed? Bill Chiricos? Ralph Melcher? Let's see....my brain is going...

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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 13:03:31 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: richard@rogers-graphics.com
To: housemum
Subject: Re: Thanks, OTS. more names
Message:
Bill has a sandwich and pizza place called Chirios in Virginia. Arty has a band called Zero and lives in California.

Housemum, it appears we've crossed many paths. If you want to email me, please do.

Richard

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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:30:25 (EST)
From: Bai Ji
Email: None
To: housemum
Subject: Crowd Shots..
Message:
I have some fading photos of that BDay Party at the Res.
I shall attempt to scan them and post them here.

You may recognize yourselves or friends in them.

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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 02:12:41 (EST)
From: housemum
Email: None
To: Bai Ji
Subject: Re: Crowd Shots, GREAT (nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 00:26:04 (EST)
From: Bai Ji
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: Ashram photo early 70's
Message:
Could you name the Premies in the photo for posterity, Richard?
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 00:09:27 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Who's in photo
Message:
Left to Right:

Front row: Housemother holding Tristan Bishop, brother holding Julie Bourne, Maurice Brogue (now Raphael Benvictor), George Fishman, Mark Lawson, Laurie Vanscoy?, sister.

Middle row: Liz (from Ireland), Marie Noel, brother, Dan Hinkley, sister, Joan Sylvester (now Ross).

Back row: Kenny Warren, Bill Vanscoy, Chuck Nathan, George ?, David Davis, Lucy Trotter, Richard Rogers, Carol Bourne

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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:22:52 (EST)
From: OTS
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: Who's in photo
Message:
With all due respect, Chuck Nathan is not in that picture, if I'm not mistaken (which I think you are).
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:55:00 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: You're right, OTS
Message:
Standing tall in the back is Chuck ? who, I recall, became an instructor. Not Chuck Nathan, though. Thanks for spotting that.
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 11:40:00 (EST)
From: OTS
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: You're right, OTS
Message:
It's Mark something -- not chuck.
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:20:28 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: OTS
Subject: Names in photo
Message:
I think Liz from Ireland is Liz Driscoll.

Didn't David Davis pass away some years ago?

That guy you thought was Chuck Nathan looks very familiar to me, but I can't put a name on the face. Seems like he and the guy to his left were, um, 'close.' :)

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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:56:20 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Names in photo
Message:
It is Liz Driscoll I think. Joy will know. Joe I think you're projecting a bit about the two 'close' guys. Although later on, after M married and relationships became briefly cool, that ashram had several out gay couples. None of those couples are in the picture.

Yes, David Davis did pass away. David had the chutzpa to just leave a goodbye note at Deca and go home to Portland, OR. He told me later that he couldn't believe he was living like a slave and had to beg DLM to get money to buy underwear. He developed quite a successful illustration business.

David and I were artroom buddies and ashram room mates. He was a brilliant airbrush artist and a very witty guy. I'm sorry he's gone. I'm glad that I got to spend a bit of time with he and his girlfriend on the Oregon coast. At the time I was still enchanted so we sidestepped M & K discussion.

Richard

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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 16:31:19 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Well, maybe
Message:
I was kidding, but it is a bit interesting how those guys are standing. :)

I heard about David Davis leaving with the note on the pillow. Other people did that as well. I remember one guy left the ashram without even a note. Later I saw him on the street and he acted like he didn't know me -- just moved away quickly. Joy told me what a great guy David was, and although I met him at DECA, I didn't know him.

True, we were slaves at DECA. That's for sure. Worse yet, I got fired from being a slave there. That's how much of a shitty devotee I was!

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 22:50:47 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: OK, you asked for it.
Message:

[ Ex-premies - Then and Now ]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:48:39 (EST)
From: housemum
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: I love these pix! (nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 22:39:13 (EST)
From: Lust Ji
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: OK, you asked for it.
Message:
Ok So now I am Completely in Lust with Ya'll.

How this silly stuff does my broken heart good.

It took me 20 mins to save it all and i'm going to keep you close to me.

I miss Satsang, and the espirit that brought us all together.

DVD and Satellite Broadcasts of VIDEOS and emulations of MLM companies leave me Cold.

I was searching for the Big Everything.
M said He Was IT,,,,

I Trusted what he Told me.
I willingly gave him my complete being.
As i trusted he was who he said he was.

I begged him, to connect with me.
I went to hugely difficult levels to avail myself in service to him.

I am not an Unrequited Lover with unreasonable anger.

I am a Human being, experiencing confusion over my doubt about all of this, and despite my repeated heartfelt requests for reassurance from Him. i have received no less than abandonment.

Meanwhile, the people here , who I at first contact considered bitter and ascerbic, have shown me more genuine love and compassion than anyone still involved with m.

Love to You All.
Bai and By. (Aknowleding Anth Ji)

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 22:38:20 (EST)
From: Lust Ji
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: OK, you asked for it.
Message:
Ok So now I am Cmpletely in Lust with Ya'll.

How this silly stuff does my broken heart good.

It took me 20 mins to save it all and i'm going to keep you close to me.

I miss Satsang, and the espirit that brought us all together.

DVD and Satellite Broadcasts of VIDEOS and emulations of MLM companies leave me Cold.

I was searching for the Big Everything.
M said He Was IT,,,,

I Trusted what he Told me.
I willingly gave him my complete being.
As i trusted he was who he said he was.

I begged him, to connect with me.
I went to hugely difficult levels to avail myself in service to him.

I am not an Unrequited Lover with unreasonable anger.

I am a Human being, experiencing confusion over my doubt about all of this, and despite my repeated heartfelt requests for reassurance from Him. i have received no less than abandonment.

Meanwhile, the people here , who I at first contact considered bitter and ascerbic, have shown me more genuine love and compassion than anyone still involved with m.

Love to You All.
Bai and By. (Aknowleding Anth Ji)

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 22:06:56 (EST)
From: housemum
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Photos
Message:
Thanks for posting these! I recognize you guys! You're all gorgeous!
xxoo Housemum
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:52:14 (EST)
From: Forum Janitor
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Deleting some stuff so save what u want
Message:
I gonna do a little pruning so save the stuff you want.

Barry, Zoloft Quiet SubDei etc...

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 19:36:59 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: None
To: Forum Janitor
Subject: Gee thanks Gerry
Message:
I just spent half the day responding to the stuff on Barry's thread (which a lot of folk seemed interested in) and you're gonna delete the lot!
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:58:51 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Forum Janitor
Subject: You know what? This is a good way to do it
Message:
That's kind of good, giving a warning like this. Personally, I just hope that everyone forgets the rest of the thread but remembers my couple of good jokes. For example, that one about the woman suicide bomber thinking she'll get a renovated kitchen in paradise. That was a good one. And then there was that line 'Jokes don't hurt people; people hurt people'. That was good.

Hey, you're not going to erase THIS thread too are you? Sheesh!

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:14:35 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You had some mojo in that thread,
Message:
and I (snickered) more than once.

Maybe Barry missed the new part in the intro that deals with threads like his Moley thread.

Jim, you're there in Canada. Do you think you could amputate a limb or two from him? Thanks

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:38:28 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: You're getting so refined, gerry
Message:
I'm sure, John will be grateful that he does not have to delete crap before archiving.

BTW Jim, your joke wasn't funny because Muslim women don't even get to go to heaven. I think they go to Limbo with the other livestock.

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:44:19 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Please, no more livestock jokes! [nt]
Message:
Really?
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:37:01 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Poor Barry, the man without a cult
Message:
Often when I'd tell Barry about my cult days, how much fun it all was and everything, he'd listen, smile and listen, just taking it all in. I thought everything was okay so I'd keep going, talking about years of celibacy, doing household service assigned to me by Anne Johnson (and others!), talking about what it was like thinking my mind was evil but Maharaji just behind it like the sun in the clouds. And Barry'd keep looking. Not saying anything. Like I say, I thought he was fine.

Later, however, someone'd invariably find him alone, outside, in the parking lot, maybe the men's room. Not looking so good, maybe even crying.

'Why couldn't I be in a cult?!', like I say, sometimes even crying.

'But Barry, yes it was fun but it was a lot of work, don't forget! It wasn't just bog prashad and charnam rit, you know.'

Don't know if he ever really got it, though. Actually, I think the fantasy of spending years in these houses with woman premies, some quite lovely, I'm sure, and staying celibate for the sake of guru and country was overwhelmingly attractive. He wanted in. If there were ashrams today, I know without question that he'd be there in a heartbeat.

So, yes, Barry's got guru envy. But he's not the only one, eh? How many people do we all know who, every time we start to tell them some new, important detail about Maharaji or the forum, can't help but say something like 'Oh no, not that shit again!' That's envy, last time I looked. These people, good, honest people like Barry, want what we've got, a real live guru to trash and kick and worship and ... you name it.

I guess we really are the lucky ones. The Barry's of the world face a mere eternity of Off Topicness. Why? Because their lives are centered in Off Topicality. We should work with them, help them, do something. But not here.

So, you want me to break one of Barry's limbs? No, Gerry, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to take a principled stand on this one, I don't care what anyone says and no, I'm not going to do that. I will, however, remind him, next time I see him, that celibacy didn't work for everyone and, besides, it really is something he can try at home if he's so interested. There are books out there. I'm committed to working with the people, Ger. It's my ministry, if you will.

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:33:25 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: LOLOL Jim [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:29:36 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Telling people you're in a cult
Message:
I don't know Jim. I guess you're special or something. When I told the people i was in a cult, you think I told them I have leprosy, while having my nose suddenly fall off =(

Thanks for lightening things up

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:36:59 (EST)
From: bill
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Re: You had some mojo in that thread,
Message:
This is a good thread, distilled down to the jokes.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:11:52 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: All
Subject: M's survival strategy - repost
Message:
In a soon to be inactive thread below (see link), la-ex astutely outlines the future outlook for M & K. Well thought out and well stated, la-ex.
[ M's survival strategy ]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:27:40 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: M's survival strategy - repost
Message:
Thanks Richard for bringing that post up here. Kinda got lost in the (cough) big thread below.

I've been on this board too much today.

Night Night,
Cynth

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:45:48 (EST)
From: PatD
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: There's no show without Punch......
Message:
.....whatever happens. If he isn't doing the programmes/events then the majority of fellow travellers( & they are the majority of premies), who can be guaranteed to shove a £20 pound note or whatever into the donation box won't be there.

I have no inside info at all about how the org,or his mind,works. Thanks LA for that(& Richard),I missed it 1st time round.

I'm reposting my own thoughts on this subject from a different thread,but haven't got the time to expand them further.

Seriously though,these reports that the Bollixshwar may be about to reinvent himself are worrying. On second thoughts I'm not so sure that he couldn't get away with it, given suitable investment in spin doctors.

One thing he could do would be to acknowledge his roots in the Rhadasoami tradition.

I'd never heard of it until EPO,so you can bet that 99% of a potential audience haven't either. I'm still quite clueless about where they fit into Indian Society & Politics,but acceptance of the Dalits,equality of the sexes,self-help......all these things play well.

Easy to portray your opponents as bigoted retards. Who cares about them anyway? Old deadbeats who anyone who remembers, regarded at the time as delusionals for strewing flowers all over the place. Now here's this amusing guy, looking regular, putting the record straight about himself.

He wouldn't make much money out of it ,but then he doesn't need to.
All he needs to do is retire with a good reputation.

Maybe I'm being too imaginative.

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:59:24 (EST)
From: Zoloft
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Apology
Message:
I had an alcoholic relapse yesterday, got shitfaced and turned into an arrogant and offensive prick. I apologize for ridiculizing anyone.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:44:15 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Zoloft
Subject: Take care of yourself
Message:
Thanks for letting us know what is happening.

Did coming here and reading stuff trigger your relapse? Do you think you're drinking problem may be a way of concealing your confusion about M?

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:37:01 (EST)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Zoloft
Subject: A couple of questions AJW.
Message:
zoloft,

you seem to be a premie. Why are you posting on this forum? Are you having doubts that Captain Rawat is the Perfect Master? Or even that there is such a thing as Perfect Master? Or are you trying to save our souls before it's too late?

Anth, and the next question is...

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 16:16:06 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Zoloft
Subject: Apology accepted, Zoey
Message:
Now, how about ridiculting yourself? :C)
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:10:39 (EST)
From: Zoloft
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: Apology accepted, Zoey
Message:
Thanks. As for ridiculizing myself, I'll leave that to my wife. She doesn't do it meanly but the funniest moments we've had together is when she describes me.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 19:40:50 (EST)
From: silvia
Email: None
To: Zoloft
Subject: Re: Apology accepted, Zoey
Message:
you said she died, didn't you?

Don;t worry. We all have funny moments around here.
Don't you like freedom? Try leaving all yoru beliefs aside for a moment. THINK.

free,

silvia

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:45:26 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Zoloft
Subject: Not ''ridiculizing'' Zoey
Message:
Ridiculting. Ridding oneself of a cult or uncultivating oneself.

Most of us have made drunken fools of ourselves here once or twice.

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:13:44 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Zoloft
Subject: Thanks Zoloft
Message:
And please take care of yourself re: alcohol.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:31:54 (EST)
From: Jim Beam
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: Thanks Zoloft
Message:
I don't know what's better, attachment to booze or Knowledge-Maha.
I 'spose Knowledge don't damage your liver - but watch out for the damage to the psyche.
Take care and be aware, Zoloft :)
Mr Bean
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:59:59 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: All
Subject: New article about M on EPO
Message:
Excerpt from Fifth Estate Magazine Vol7 #21

This is just a raw picture for the moment, I'm waiting for the rest of the article, and some others still to come .....

Do you like it ??
[ http://www.ex-premie.org/pages/fifthestate3.htm ]

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:55:11 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Re: New article about M on EPO
Message:
The first link won't display on my computer.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:27:36 (EST)
From: Kev
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Question?
Message:
In this article it says 'It was also revealed by Indian leaders that the Great Savior is 22 years old, not 14 as he and his followers claim.'
So does any one know if this is true? Was there a time when M lied about his age and was that just another one of his cons to make us think he was something other than he was?
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 13:01:53 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Something's wrong
Message:
with the 1st link, but the 2nd one is OK.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:31:09 (EST)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Fence sitting gives you splinters...
Message:
This link seemed to touch on an old familiar apologia for M.. 'hes really enlightened but fucked up'

Somehow it doesnt wash with me any more

http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/misc/adida_update.cfm/xid,2466/yid,2494235
[ Page Link ]

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 13:15:15 (EST)
From: Marshall
Email: None
To: Loaf
Subject: Re: Fence sitting gives you splinters...
Message:
'The Spectrum of Consciousness, written when he was twenty three years old established him as perhaps the most comprehensive philosophical thinker of our times.'
This guy is very annoying.
Who does he think he is? The new age equivalent of Richard Dawkins?
What a joke.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 09:56:48 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Offensive
Message:
Is there anything that can be done so porn and subsequent discussions don't happen here? Obviously, it was a move to disrupt the Forum and it worked. Personal views on porn don't belong here, especially when new people might be reading. Neither do insights into virginity and gang rape. Enough people don't post because they are intimidated already.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 14:18:39 (EST)
From: Steve Mueller
Email: mistyqm@mn.mediaone.net
To: Vicki
Subject: Once more, Think: F7 is Forever, folks
Message:
(I'm repeating this here for people who may not have caught it the first time further down below. I have feedback that the shape F7 is in would stop VIP who could bring M down from taking us seriously. Can't give details here though. Please get serious: do you want to bring M down, now, or not?)

We now know that all kinds of people visit F7, including non-premie spouses and lovers of premies.

Needlessly indulging in foul, irrelevant, or nutsos talk can only serve to make their task of trying to understand and deal with the evil of M's cult that their loved ones have gotten themselves into all that much harder.

I, for one, would like to see everyone who posts on F7 exercise at least some restraint and a little sense of responsibility to not only today's visitors but also tomorrow's (which very well could include, at some point, even national press). It will be harder for them to take our case against M seriously if they see the blatantly immature kind of drivel that F7 has seen below. Thanks in advance everyone (for whom this applies) for anything you can do to 'clean it up' for
our guests.

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:10:15 (EST)
From: Francesca :~)
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Right on, Steve
Message:
Heck with the guests, although I care about them a lot. Let's have some respect for ourselves. I don't live in a pigsty, so I don't want to inhabit a virtual pigsty, either.

Trolls have so much fun here because people just love to get in the last word. And then it goes on and on until the whole point is lost.

:(

f

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:21:21 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Francesca :~)
Subject: Re: Right on, Francesca...
Message:
What you said I liked. 'I don't live in a pigsty, so I don't want to inhabit a virtual pigsty, either.'

What a weird day....

Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:19:53 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: None
To: Francesca :~)
Subject: No no no
Message:
But Fran. I'd rather have the opportunity to defend myself if I am being attacked. especially when the first I see of the thread it's already half a mile long.

Everyone lurking will have already read it. And it doesn't have to be saved in any inactive index.

Barry isn't a troll exactly. We are having an argument. Albeit ot, but not entirely so. I don't think any point is being lost on his thread.

If people are offended they don't have to read it. It's me who got the flack, and me who should be the judge of whether it is offensive or not, if anybody should be.

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:25:29 (EST)
From: PatC............LOL, Fran -
Email: None
To: Moley
Subject: ''Getting in the last word...''
Message:
It's utterly addictive when you're as opinionated as this bunch. :C)
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:14:34 (EST)
From: Francesca :~)
Email: None
To: PatC............LOL, Fran -
Subject: Yes we are an opinionated bunch
Message:
We go bananas with that stuff!

LOL

==f

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 16:07:49 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Please Listen...
Message:
To Everybody:

When I came online today and saw the thread entitled ''Moley is a Hypocrite'' I shuttered. What could have possibly started this? So I read the thread and saw that the subject was one so controversial that it could never be resolved on this forum nor in our lifetimes for that matter: pornography.

That thread reminded me of what happened to the forum (us) when 911 occurred. First there was shock, fear, disbelief, and news. Then there were political arguments that showed us that we are real people and have many differing political views. That was revealing and good.

Then a lot of arguing ensued. I participated, I lost my temper, others lost theirs, and then we apologized. After that Gerry made it a rule that off topic discussions would be restricted here, hence the creation of the SatChitchat room and Sir Dave's Anything Goes (Not quite in that order, but you all know what I mean.)

When Barry arrived back I remembered from his previous posts that he could be quite funny and I welcomed him back, looking forward to his harmless humor and links to some very funny sites. Comic relief is neccessary to all of us here, but for me it's weird and wacky humor, not displaying explicit porn sites.

So the thread is sitting down there for all to see that we have differing opinions about pornography. Big Deal. This is a topic I simply refuse to discuss here because I've tried it before and had to leave the forum over it(that was a long time ago). So I posted one thing to Moley and now I've seen how upsetting is has become for so many here.

My stomach has a knot in it because of that thread and I have a strong stomach. I think the thread should be deleted, or it possible, can it be tranferred in it's entirety to Anything Goes?

Is leaving that thread worth risking our credibility as ex-premies who are telling the truth about our experiences in the cult, making others aware of the Maharajism cult, and assisting and supporting people out of the it? In my opinion, definitely no.

Is it necessary to get so intensely involved with arguing about pornography, or any other off-topic controversial issues on this Forum? I don't think so.

That is all I can think of to say and I ask that some restraint be used because of the possibility of objective outsiders coming here to review what we're all about.

That thread down below is not what we are about.

Thank you,
Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 16:57:35 (EST)
From: Nigel
Email: nige@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Cynthia
Subject: Listening...but...
Message:
Cynth,

I basically agree with you, but Barry's thread was not titled 'Let's talk about porn'. It announced to the web-world: 'Moley is a hypocrite'. (Up until then Moley had assiduously avoided discussing porn here.)

Imagine if that thread has read 'Cynthia is a hypocrite'..? I know if it has been about me I would have wanted the discussion to go the distance - if only to show the orginal poster what an asshole he was being... (Demanding an apology from Moley is a non-starter - as Mr. Pullaver will no-doubt attest..)

And see also our comments lower down - I think issues relating to the exploitation of social power is relevant to exes, and cults in general.

Best,
Nige

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 19:13:28 (EST)
From: Pullaver
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Not me . . .
Message:
For the record Nige I never demanded an apology from Moley. I was naively sticking up for Tonette (who subsequently demanded an apology from Moley). At the time I thought Moley was being unnecessarily rude to Tonette, a fellow new poster on the Forum. If memory serves me correctly Moley was caustically dressing Tonette down for Tonette caustically dressing someone down, or some such big fish-eats-little fish-eats humble pie scenario. I remember the title of my post being 'the pot calling the kettle black', which brought you running to Moley's defence. We got into a bit of a tussle and then some software glitches apparently happened and my posts were erased while you and Moley were in the 'north country'. Anyways, Tonette and Moley have made up and meanwhile I'm still a pariah (ask Gerry). Ah, there's no justice . . . but there is life at the end of (blue) tunnel. Cheers to you both. Pullaver.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 22:22:13 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Pullaver
Subject: Re: Not me . . .
Message:
I don't yhink you're a pariah Pullaver.

I must have missed all that stuff you were on about, I don't recall it. Things you usually work out in the wash somehow or other.

Cheers

Dermot

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:05:29 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Nige, I responded to you below...
Message:
Nige,

I do understand completely and I think at this point the thread is going to stay. I do defer to Moley's wishes about that. I do agree with you about it.

I can't go back down there and post anymore, it's really upsetting to me personally.

I do think an apology should be made to Moley. I'm on your side

Cynth

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:34:41 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Precisely, Steve
Message:
Yes, this is our playroom. But, in addition and most importantly, the forum and by association EPO are valuable resources for ex, pwk, and press alike. It's cool to have folks see us as having a good time and (pardon the expression) enjoying our lives. It is quite another to have us all perceived as squabblers.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:18:06 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Steve, point well taken (nt)
Message:
Although Gerry has gotten pretty good at deleting offensive, off-topic threads.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 13:23:02 (EST)
From: PatD
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Agree Completely [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:39:02 (EST)
From: housemum
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: thanks Vicki
Message:
When I looked at the forum last night I felt like I had stumbled onto the wrong site. The posts had degenerated into something unrecognizable. I love the provocative discussions about m and k. Let's keep those up and if possible, can we restrict all the disruptive bs. (I don't know how it works) Exes, Fence sitters and pwks are best served if we don't allow ourselves to be carried away by distracting threads.
Yours,
Housemum, who thinks she knows a thing or two
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:35:21 (EST)
From: Sulla
Email: None
To: Vicki
Subject: Re: I agree...
Message:
I agree with you Vicki. Respect is one thing and pornography is another. I remember once I was in this art atelier with two guys and then came this gay friend that was totally disturbed. He put some music and started taking his clothes off. I think I was supposed to be cool enough to watch the show to the end, since nobody protested, but I got so mad instead, I looked at him direct in the eye and after told him that he was a piece of shit, I demanded respect from him and asked him who he had believe he was and who he had believe I was if he expected he could do such things in front of me, and I left. After a while, he knocked at my door and apologized and I accepted his apology under the condition that he never ever dared to do such things in my presence. Well, he did something nasty to me again so I had to ask one of my good friends to give him a lecture. After that, at last, he learned.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:53:40 (EST)
From: Vicki
Email: None
To: Sulla
Subject: Delete the thread below??
Message:
It seems inlight of the very good points made, that perhaps it would better serve F7 if the Barry thread below were deleted. It never occurred to me that it would be accessible in the archives. What do you say FA?
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:07:17 (EST)
From: Steve Mueller
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Suggested Movie Title for M's Life
Message:
Coming to America (original E.M. version based on M, of course, with seamier, uglier crap edited out). Any other titles come to mind?
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 18:58:12 (EST)
From: Boogie Nights
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: and Holi Days
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:26:11 (EST)
From: Bai Ji
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Bad Boy Bubby>
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:52:14 (EST)
From: Bodhi
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: 'Once upon a Dime' (nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 00:12:08 (EST)
From: Friendly Z
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Re: Suggested Movie Title for M's Life
Message:
Twin Peaks
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:59:36 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: The greatest story ever told [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:46:38 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: A life of Brian [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:45:44 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Four 'techniques' and a funeral [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:44:33 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: The 'Five' commandments [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:43:38 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Fatal Attraction [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:26:27 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Superman [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:57:13 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Heavens Grate [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:50:57 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: The French Connection [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 21:03:43 (EST)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Goldfinger (nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:39:57 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Mission Impossible [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 19:56:24 (EST)
From: Barbara
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Dancing in the Dark (with Bjorn) [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 20:25:33 (EST)
From: Or
Email: None
To: Barbara
Subject: My Kingdom for a Condom [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 19:35:55 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Sex, Lies and Videotapes [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 19:17:32 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: The Lounge Singer (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:44:50 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Reincarnated corn dog on a Malibu beach [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:41:55 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: My Life as a Hog...and
Message:
The Rawrat Pack

Illegally Blonde

Dude Where's My Cars?

The Silence of the Rabbits

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:19:29 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Ugly Mind(nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 15:06:21 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: 'Buddy can you spare some gratitude?'
Message:
'Buddy can you spare some gratitude?'
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 14:00:11 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: ''Oh Brother Where Art Thou?'?'u
Message:
'Oh Brother Where Art Thou?'

In the final reel, M has a long overdue awakening and realizes he has abandoned the legacy passed on to him by his father. He then seeks to reconcile with his long lost brother, Sat Pal. In a two hanky ending, the two estranged brothers pranam to each other simultaneously causing mild concusion and amnesia for both. When they stand up again, they embrace, cry a bit and, as the sun sets over the Ganges, they discuss plans to convert Premnagar into a hospice for old devotees.

Richard, feeling very generous

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 16:21:12 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Brother, that was funny
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 13:53:16 (EST)
From: The Horse's head
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: The Godfather NT
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 13:46:40 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Come on, Steve, you know there's only one
Message:
Oh yeah, we can talk and all, have some fun with this but, at the end of the day, there's only one title the subject deserves:

THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:16:15 (EST)
From: Sulla
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Down to earth or God's new way of life
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:15:54 (EST)
From: daughter
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: Daddy Dearest. nt
Message:
())
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 10:29:30 (EST)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: Steve Mueller
Subject: 'Crouching Miser, Hidden Flagon'
Message:
"Malibu Beach Bongo Party"

"A Beautiful Mine"

"The Great Plane Robbery"

"The Lord Of The Rings And Watches"

"Pride And Prejudice"

"The Greenback Mile"

"Gone With The Breaking Wind"

"Jumbling -- The True Story"

"Crime And Punishment"

"Seize The Pay"

"The Wizard Of Odds"

I gotta stop and get to work!

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 19:48:51 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: None
To: Carl
Subject: Surely you mean 'Hidden Baragon' [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 23:03:14 (EST)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: Moley
Subject: Yeah, that also works! (Flagon = booze bottle) /nt
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 18:58:03 (EST)
From: GM
Email: None
To: Carl
Subject: Agent 00Heaven nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 05:15:49 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: GM
Subject: 'Secret Knowledge'?
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 04:26:46 (EST)
From: The Maharaji of Malibu's
Email: None
To: All
Subject: latest picture
Message:
Sorry, not available during the latest going out of business sale.
[ Graphic Link ]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 10:07:35 (EST)
From: The Maharaji of Malibu
Email: None
To: The Maharaji of Malibu's
Subject: won't like this-he's likened to Ossama
Message:
Steve Hassan's site has added Al Qaeda and it's leader to his list. As you scan down this same list, you will see EV/DLM in the same list.

His overall site looks new or revamped to me but is worth looking at if you haven't checked him out before.
[ A cult is a cult ]

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 00:24:23 (EST)
From: Barry
Email: None
To: All
Subject: what a day.....(OT)
Message:
I'm going to bed
[ http://home.kqnet.pt/~timoteo/nasty.wav ]
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 05:30:57 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Barry
Subject: Fuck off, Barry
Message:
Go post on this forum.

Or this one:

Adult Babies at http://www.dpf.com/
[ Ex-Catholics Forum ]

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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:15:39 (EST)
From: Mr Hoo Flung Dung
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Er Pat..
Message:
I dunno I reckon Barry has really summed up the collective intellectual power of the forum.
Nice touch Barry
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 09:18:19 (EST)
From: CAT!!
Email: None
To: Mr Hoo Flung Dung
Subject: Fuck off Catweasel
Message:
You are a stupid premie troll with nothing positive to say. But you have still said plenty -- and exes are prepared to give you your own page of sayings someplace. Unless that is, you leave this Forum for good.

Your own page of historical posts would be under your real name of course, you cowardly premie troll.

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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:14:25 (EST)
From: no-one
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: no subject
Message:
f
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 17:00:54 (EST)
From: Go back to sleep
Email: None
To: CAT!!
Subject: Re: Fuck off Catweasel
Message:
I dont think so
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Date: Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:17:46 (EST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Go back to sleep
Subject: You don't think. Period. [nt]
Message:
You'll see.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 07:54:50 (EST)
From: Barry
Email: None
To: Mr Hoo Flung Dung
Subject: LOL LOL LOL!!!(nt)
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 22:46:07 (EST)
From: Zoloft
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Deborah
Message:
Can you speak as yourself ?
I'm not here to hurt you.
I'm being made at this moment.
I have nothing.
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 00:22:28 (EST)
From: Carmen
Email: None
To: Zoloft
Subject: Re: Deborah
Message:
Roger, why not speak to me or any of your daughters that you left behind before you skipped away to S.A.? You definitely sound as if you have taken one too many zolofts. But you never were one for stability . . were you?
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Date: Tues, Jan 29, 2002 at 14:10:35 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Carmen
Subject: Honestly, Carmen?
Message:
Do you really know this guy? How do you know? Who is he? What can you tell us about him?
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Date: Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 22:51:18 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Zoloft
Subject: I think you need to stare at her or something
Message:
Zoloft,

This kind of stuff works best in person. What you want to do is get her to just kind of stare at you staring at her a bit. That works.

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