Ex-Premie Forum 7 Archive
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__ Roger eDrek -:- Hey there, Quiet! -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 15:37:25 (EST)
__ __ dv -:- You're pathetic. -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 18:22:54 (EST)
__ __ __ Sir Dave }( -:- No he's not -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 06:34:17 (EST)
__ __ Sir Dave }( -:- You bastard, eDrek -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 17:18:22 (EST)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Re: You bastard, eDrek -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 18:22:27 (EST)
__ PatC -:- Fuck Gerry and Roger -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 03:21:18 (EST)
__ __ __ PatC -:- Re: To Quiet -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:41:34 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Re: To Quiet -:- Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 01:56:13 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Quiet -:- Re: To Quiet/ Pat there have been so many? -:- Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 11:05:22 (EST)
__ __ __ Tonette -:- Because, Quiet, -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 11:51:19 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Why Quiet? -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:46:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- How about ''Go away Troll?'' -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 16:40:45 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Diz -:- Re: Using word to write a post -:- Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 02:55:58 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Sorry, I gave up training... -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 12:43:06 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- Why haven't you answered my post, Quiet? -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 12:01:05 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- I'm having a hard time understanding -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:44:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Good for you. Twice a week, eh? [nt] -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 18:44:39 (EST)

Another DECAian -:- DECA--it was so -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 02:20:55 (EST)
__ Maharaj has a lot -:- to learn about gratitude -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 14:10:29 (EST)
__ Richard -:- 2 threads on DECA -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:22:53 (EST)
__ __ More about -:- DECA in archives -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 13:41:21 (EST)
__ Joe -:- DECA-hell -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:14:33 (EST)
__ __ Pullaver -:- Re: DECA-hell -:- Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 12:52:03 (EST)
__ __ Question -:- Chemicals at DECA -:- Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 06:12:28 (EST)
__ __ __ Joe -:- Re: Chemicals at DECA -:- Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 13:19:03 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- I knew that woman well... -:- Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 15:17:26 (EST)
__ __ __ cq -:- He's the father of YOUR son???(nt) -:- Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 07:29:46 (EST)
__ __ Carl -:- Your final paragraph: A scary thought -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 11:18:48 (EST)
__ __ Tonette -:- Tom and Katja Bossola -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 04:07:48 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Re: DECA-hell -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 13:16:33 (EST)
__ __ __ Question -:- CHEMICALS -:- Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 06:42:06 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: CHEMICALS -:- Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 12:51:42 (EST)
__ __ Marshall -:- Re: DECA-hell -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:51:02 (EST)
__ __ Richard -:- Custom made at DECA -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:45:59 (EST)
__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Richard? Please read! -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 03:14:50 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Richard -:- Re: Please read! -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 14:18:30 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Re: Please read! -:- Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 03:15:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- J-M, about a year ago -:- Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 21:34:01 (EST)
__ __ __ DECAian -:- Are the jewels real? -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 17:25:04 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Are the jewels real? -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 12:46:01 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Richard -:- Re: Are the jewels real? -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 19:29:37 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ PatD -:- Just curious -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 20:13:23 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- Re: Just curious -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 20:16:22 (EST)
__ __ __ cq -:- Let me guess - that was made for -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 13:18:27 (EST)
__ ChrisP -:- Thanks DECAian and Cynthia too -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 11:54:01 (EST)
__ Loaf -:- What a beautiful and moving post -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 04:18:37 (EST)
__ Bryn -:- Good post. Thanks. nt -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 04:12:44 (EST)

Roger eDrek -:- Latvian Night San Francisco Redux -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 01:57:09 (EST)
__ Sulla -:- That guy.... -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 14:45:14 (EST)
__ Miss Taken -:- Why so much internal aggression? -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 03:47:16 (EST)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- Sorry about that, Miss. -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 18:27:11 (EST)
__ __ mistaken -:- Sorry guys, I get it now.... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 09:02:45 (EST)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Don't worry about it... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 17:13:29 (EST)
__ __ __ Tonette -:- It's allright, -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 13:42:49 (EST)
__ __ __ PatC -:- Sorry you're hurting Miss T -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:48:12 (EST)
__ __ PatC -:- You're mistaken, Miss Taken -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 04:03:23 (EST)
__ gerry -:- You're blocked, buttwipe... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 02:04:01 (EST)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- Block me, you Asshole!!! -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 02:07:55 (EST)
__ __ __ Marianne -:- Another night with de boys -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 02:32:51 (EST)
__ __ __ __ PatC -:- Don't read this, Jim, because... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 13:51:17 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Miss Taken/Bai Ji -:- Why don't I live in NAM? -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 20:49:08 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- Just pack your bags and move -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 22:34:45 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Richard -:- RIP Marjie -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 16:08:42 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- RIP Marjie- thanks, Richard. [nt] -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 22:39:08 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Brian Smith -:- A good time was had by all -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 14:52:24 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- See you in the Castro....OT -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 15:40:06 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- But how does THIS happen? -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 15:03:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Brian S -:- It' s Gerry and eDrek -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 22:41:06 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Too late -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 14:05:02 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ PatC -:- and we missed you too -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 14:31:14 (EST)

janet -:- why we're irrelevant to him -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 00:41:32 (EST)
__ Peter Howie -:- Re: why we're irrelevant to him -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 01:13:06 (EST)

Jim -:- Amaroo Magazine -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 23:28:06 (EST)

Bryn -:- I've just found the EV template -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 20:14:22 (EST)
__ Peter Howie -:- Worse again -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 01:37:21 (EST)
__ __ PatC -:- LSD and Latterday Sikhist Hyperbole -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 03:35:52 (EST)
__ __ __ Loaf -:- Re: LSD and Latterday Sikhist Hyperbole -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 04:22:04 (EST)
__ But wait, -:- there's more -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 21:03:15 (EST)
__ __ A free set -:- of steak knives -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 21:20:53 (EST)

Newsclipper (France) -:- Bring me the head of that Sect -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:07:19 (EST)
__ Silvia -:- Alright, YOU are famous M -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 08:39:37 (EST)
__ Francesca :~) -:- Uh, wasn't this last year??? [nt] -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:29:26 (EST)
__ __ Newsclipper -:- Yes, it was 2001 (nt) -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:31:04 (EST)
__ Jim -:- What's this all about? -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:20:15 (EST)
__ __ janet -:- i remember translating this -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 21:46:30 (EST)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Re: i remember translating this -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 22:10:52 (EST)
__ __ Newsclipper -:- This freaked out Danielle -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:32:25 (EST)

Marshall -:- Attn. Francesca and Deborah -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 17:06:26 (EST)
__ gerry -:- Sleeps with Cats -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 20:51:53 (EST)
__ __ janet -:- run with the wolves -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 21:54:20 (EST)
__ __ __ Deborah -:- Hey this is hysterical -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 19:55:34 (EST)
__ Francesca -:- Assuming someone is ... -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 17:57:57 (EST)
__ __ Did you hear about -:- the co-dependant -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 21:27:24 (EST)
__ __ __ Francesca :~) -:- Touche! good one! [nt] -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 02:23:00 (EST)
__ Deborah -:- Re: Attn. Francesca and Deborah -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 17:56:15 (EST)
__ __ Barry -:- AND SOME OF US..... -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 22:11:58 (EST)

Cynthia -:- Hurting here, help please... -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 14:24:07 (EST)
__ Forever -:- the victim. -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 17:18:39 (EST)
__ __ Tonette -:- Yep, she's telling all..... -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 11:57:26 (EST)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Hey, Tonette, Thanks... -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 13:21:16 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Cynthia The Survivor... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 20:18:03 (EST)
__ __ __ How much whining -:- do you think we can take folks -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 20:27:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Dermot -:- Re: do you think we can take folks -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 23:41:25 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Hmmmmm -:- Re: do you think we can take folks -:- Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 16:10:18 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Get a handle or get lost -:- Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 20:09:23 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Dermot -:- But your first paragraph -:- Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 17:40:48 (EST)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Remember the Victims of Jagdeo... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 20:25:21 (EST)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Remember the Victims of Jagdeo... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 20:25:16 (EST)
__ __ Nigel -:- hello Forever -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 18:59:13 (EST)
__ Tonette -:- Hey, now you know without a shadow of doubt... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 11:28:01 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Hey, now you know without a shadow of doubt... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 11:52:20 (EST)
__ __ __ Tonette -:- You got a knife allright -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:29:15 (EST)
__ CD -:- Re: Hurting here, help please... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 02:06:36 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Come on CD... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:09:25 (EST)
__ __ __ CD -:- Re: Come on CD... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:47:57 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- I don't want an apology... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 16:31:35 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Tonette -:- Excuse me, CD -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:57:03 (EST)
__ __ JohnT -:- Really Chris?? -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 04:43:41 (EST)
__ __ __ Tonette -:- Excuse me, doesn't Chris know who....... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 11:41:16 (EST)
__ __ __ __ CD -:- Re: Excuse me, doesn't Chris know who....... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:54:52 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- Okay, explain it then. -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:58:45 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- A known troll used that handle -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 19:15:34 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- Yes, got a better idea -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 10:45:12 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Hey, let's be fair about this -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 13:20:20 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- He's not ineffectual, he doesn't give a damn -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 11:11:14 (EST)
__ Sir Dave -:- One thing you can rely on -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 20:10:00 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Re: One thing you can rely on -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 20:36:40 (EST)
__ Francesca :~) -:- The Forum Janitor of LG -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 15:51:32 (EST)
__ __ gerry -:- Re: The Forum Janitor of LG -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 20:57:05 (EST)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- I noticed that too, Gerry... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 11:42:42 (EST)
__ __ PatC -:- LG is filled with a poisonous miasma -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:53:43 (EST)
__ Richard -:- Group hug for Cynthia -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 15:17:22 (EST)
__ __ janet -:- Re: and group cry -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 22:33:38 (EST)
__ __ __ Cynthia -:- Thanks Janet... -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 11:36:13 (EST)
__ __ __ Richard -:- Thanks for your kind words, janet -:- Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 00:00:37 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- I'll take that hug... -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 15:37:13 (EST)
__ __ __ JHB -:- Contrary advice about abortion -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 17:47:58 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Contrary advice about abortion -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:16:52 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Sulla -:- It looks like he is pro... -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 13:58:45 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: It looks like he is pro... -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 14:29:07 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Sulla -:- And you are also brave. -:- Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 14:54:58 (EST)
__ Jim -:- You got that right -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 14:45:07 (EST)
__ Nige'n'Moley -:- Want help? - you got help... -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 14:37:01 (EST)
__ __ Cynthia -:- Re: Want help? - you got help... -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 14:55:06 (EST)
__ __ __ Moley -:- Love to you xxxx Moley [nt] -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 15:24:26 (EST)
__ __ __ __ Moley -:- God Cynth - have you edited your post?? -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 15:30:47 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Re: God Cynth - have you edited your post? -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 15:41:42 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- P.S. TO Moley... -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 16:07:27 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Sorry you got flamed =( -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 17:07:44 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- I don't consider it a flame... -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:28:27 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- This is your reward for good work, Cynth -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:48:36 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- I don't consider it a flame... -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:25:49 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cynth -:- Sorry...double post.. [nt] -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:29:27 (EST)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Moley -:- Re: P.S. TO Moley... -:- Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 16:45:08 (EST)


Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 15:37:25 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Quiet
Subject: Hey there, Quiet!
Message:
Ah, Quiet, I see that you are someone I can work with for the betterment of mankind. Very good.

You see Gerry and I are blood enemies. I was once very very powerful here in the ex-premie community. In fact, I was one of the first 4 Western ex-premies. And, I bet you didn't know it, but I started the Forum and everything! It was all very rewarding and I had lots of friends and money for nothing and chicks for free.

And then one day it happenned.

I had to go back home to my grandmother's funeral and I needed someone to be the Forum Webmaster in my absence so not really knowing Gerry well enough I asked him to be the temporary Assistant Forum Webmaster in-training. I gave him the password and the slimy bastard immediately changed it (I think he's using the name of his cat or something) and has never given back control of the Forum.

So, you see, Quiet, I would like to make the Forum a kinder, gentler place. You know, like muzzle all the pit bulls and chihuahuas, maybe get rid of the snotty Brits, too. Just keep the good old simple people from America and Australia.

Yes, Quiet, that's what I'd like to do, alright. But you know, it's really tough for me right now. I'm back home taking care of Grandpa and we kinda don't have enough money to even buy his medicine and he's ailing mighty bad. It's almost impossible to even bath him anymore than every other week, so it's gets sorta pungent around the house and the lady callers have stopped coming around and I'm just not doing so good. I think if I had a little money that I'd take a trip to the city and I'd perk right up.

So, Quiet, I'm a proud man and I don't know quite how to ask ya, but can ya spare any money for ol' Rog? I need to get back on my feet. It's been real hard on me seeing everything go up in smoke and see how Gerry is treated like royalty and such.

It's been nice talking with ya, Quiet. I feel like we're gonna be good friends.

Take care, now!

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 18:22:54 (EST)
From: dv
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: You're pathetic.
Message:
Why don't you just leave?
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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 06:34:17 (EST)
From: Sir Dave }(
Email: None
To: dv
Subject: No he's not
Message:
You just can't see his humour, that's all.
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 17:18:22 (EST)
From: Sir Dave }(
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: You bastard, eDrek
Message:
You missed out the essential part of the history - that I once ruled ALL the forums, including the premie one until the American war of independence where my firm but fair rule under her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, was overthrown in a dastardly, underhand coup by you and Gerry when my back was turned as I went to help out some poor damsel in distress.

I'll never forgive you for that eDrek. Neither will I forgive the rape and pillage of my wonderful Forum Help page and the exquisite Forum Heads instructions which were cast aside by the plundering Yankee barbarians, drunk with their victory over Her Gracious Majesty's Empire.

Remember, it was the British Empire that set you upon the road to freedom and what thanks does she ever get? Huh, just overweight American tourists dressed in loud shirts and check trousers taking photographs of Buckingham Palace and asking if she's in. American tourists wandering vacantly aound Stratford on Avon and Coventry Cathedral and pronouncing ''Edinburgh'' wrong.

Well you can keep your forums, eDrek. Her Majesty's too good for the likes of you. Not unless you come on bended knees will she accept you back into her great Empire etc etc.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 18:22:27 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Sir Dave }(
Subject: Re: You bastard, eDrek
Message:
Yeah, we're a common and crude bunch over across the pond.

And, of course, I would be remiss if I didn't remind you that I am allegedly quite distantly related to Oliver Cromwell and all that.

And, if I can't be a revisionist and write you out of my little history of what happenned when then I ask, what good are words? Nay, I shall prefer to ever so slightly pervert the truth so that I can revel in all of my glory.

Bhole Shri Roger eDrek!!!

P.S. I just hope we don't here from Brian who reigned through Forum 3, 4, 5, and whatevers.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 03:21:18 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Quiet
Subject: Fuck Gerry and Roger
Message:
They're a pair of drunken bums currently passed out under Mariann'es kitchen table.

BTW Q, how are the twelve ex-premies who share your computer with you down in Australia - all busy plotting to send the Maha to the gas chamber (laughing gas of course) or blow him up with a bicycle pump?

I see you're still plotting and scheming. What a moron!

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:41:34 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Quiet
Subject: Re: To Quiet
Message:
Remember what lies you tell, Q. Last time you told me that there were 12 expremies using your computer at work.

And no-one is interested in your nonsense of taking Rawat to court or whatever. This forum is to expose Maharaji in the court of public opinion. Your hints at plots and schemes smacks either of an idiot or a cult agent provocaeur.

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Date: Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 01:56:13 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Quiet
Subject: Re: To Quiet
Message:
Hope ya read my previous answers before they were deleated Pat*Q*


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No I did not see your post before it was deleted. Sorry. Could you repeat it, please?

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Date: Sat, Feb 23, 2002 at 11:05:22 (EST)
From: Quiet
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: To Quiet/ Pat there have been so many?
Message:
Could you be more soecific? I meen ther has been so many. Pity some one didnt read them before they were deleated.....but then again who would deleat any thing they havent read............*Q*
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 11:51:19 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Quiet
Subject: Because, Quiet,
Message:
The times you have posted here before have not always been very sincere or kind or real. I remember you coming here like a banshee.
You don't have to be 'nice' here to post but cruel is not tolerated.

If you're ready to be otherwise then WELCOME!

Tonette

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:46:12 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Quiet
Subject: Why Quiet?
Message:
Until you can change your name, which is obviously less than a subliminal message for us exes to be ''QUIET,'' I shall continue to ignore you.

You're not so clever and that name is 'quiet' telling.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 16:40:45 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Quiet
Subject: How about ''Go away Troll?''
Message:
You don't have me convinced you are a law student. If you had a brain you would type your posts on a word processor or wordpad, or anything that would spellcheck and do a grammar review for you.

As for the name you are using now which is 'Quiet' How about reversing it and using ''Loud?''

That's it, that's all you'll hear from me until you come clean with the FAs here, clean up your bad English, and admit you are no law student.

Well, at least the law student part is obvious.

Sincerely,
Cynthia J. Gracie
Vermont, USA

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Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 02:55:58 (EST)
From: Diz
Email: None
To: Quiet
Subject: Re: Using word to write a post
Message:
Quiet, you just type whatever you want to say in Word, then highlight it, 'cut' it, then go to the where the post text is written, and 'paste.' I've done that with this post.

FA means Forum Administrator - that's Gerry.

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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 12:43:06 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Quiet
Subject: Sorry, I gave up training...
Message:
legal secretaries and attorneys on how to use word processors many years ago. Not my cup of tea anymore.

Read the Internet Explorer help section, that might assist you.

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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 12:01:05 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Quiet
Subject: Why haven't you answered my post, Quiet?
Message:
It's right below this one, can't miss it.
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:44:35 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Quiet
Subject: I'm having a hard time understanding
Message:
You wrote:

I wasnt help in exposing the Big M. Im only concerning myself with Australia because this is where i live. But from the emails and the voise sessions it does appear that others think the way i do.*Q*

Okay you live in Australia.
What emails? What voice sessions? What others?

I really want to understand what you are trying to say. I got lost. I have read most of your posts. Is English your second language? Or are you a bad writer just like me?
More details please. What others, emails, voice sessions?
And I have to ask, since you are in Australia, how many times have you been to Amaroo?
Where do you live? How long a premie and how long an ex?

BTY, I don't think that anyone here would edit your posts without telling you or explaining why. This forum doesn't work like that.

Take care.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 18:44:39 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Good for you. Twice a week, eh? [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 02:20:55 (EST)
From: Another DECAian
Email: None
To: All
Subject: DECA--it was so
Message:
Here is Cynthia's post copied for LG:

DECA was Maharaji's major big tricks. The trick was that he wanted an airplane so much that he came up with a scheme to collect a lot of premies, put them in one place, and make the project so secret he was only known as ''The Client.'' That secrecy made everyone there feel
very special and privileged. (I was one who inforced that confidentiality rule). The only exception was after hours when no outsiders (real world people) might be there, and then we'd only whisper his name in small circles.

When I first got to Miami in May, 1979 I would say that we were no more than 100 at most working in a small warehouse in Hialeah. That's when I knew who everyone was by name. It was a small group of premies doing the initial work: prototypes and mock-ups in the warehouse part, business and financial stuff and whatever else needed to be done at his request, in the tiny office.

In May, 1979 Maharaji was at Riegate, the England residence. I was in the office doing secretarial work and it was my job to answer the phones, so I spoke to him on the phone every day, sometimes several times per day. I was taught how to answer the phone. I always said 'Pranam Maharaji,' and he'd tell me who he wanted--usually Guy Rollins or Jim Hession. But you never put the Lord on hold. Never push that hold button--literally! After a few weeks of that premies told me ''You wouldn't believe what your eyes looked like, Cindy.'' (They were
glazed over in a cultist trance-state of bliss). I floated everywhere I went. I floated above my exhaustion, too. It's nerve wracking to be around the Living Lord every single day. But I was not an X-rated PAM. I have never considered myself a PAM.

Maharaji's big trick to gather as many premies in one place and get free slave labor was successful for him because he made himself present there, giving darshan every single, sometimes several times per day. He received adoration every day. In doing that he held the
premies in a total state of obedience, never wanting to leave. Premies at Deca, including me, were in an advanced state of a cultist trance which we called bliss.

Once he returned from England he visited that small Hialeah warehouse every day. He was barely off the plane from UK when he came speeding into that garage bay. I'd get an ETA from his personal security, tell the warehouse security guys and they'd wait at the garage door to open it for him to enter in whatever vehicle he happened to be driving that day. There was no electric garage door--they pulled it open with ropes and he sped into that small bay without regard to anyone's safety. No one stood in that garage when they knew he was coming or you'd get hit head-on.

I remember one day Jim Hession was standing at the end of the garage at the opening to the warehouse and Maharaji stopped on a dime, very close to Jim. Jim turned red (as he always did) and Maharaji laughed--everyone who was there laughed, too. It was so sick.

Shortly after his return Maharaji's big Deca trick became even more grandiose. He gave us satsang in the little warehouse. He told us that we needed to obey him without question and to follow his instructions implicitly because the project was going from working on prototypes
to actual work to be done to rebuild that huge old hunk of a B707 that needed much more work than reconfiguring the inside to be an executive, private jet. The project was taking off in a huge way and he wanted it done his way, the correct way.

There was a lot of discussion where this expansion would take place, the expense of finding a large workplace. Then the Complex was found and leased, as well as a hangar at the Miami airport. That's when so many more premies were called down to Miami. It was a huge warehouse and within 2 to 3 weeks, one whole side was converted into quite plush offices by the carpenters, painters and rug layers--this for the office workers. On our side, where the design room was, not much needed to be done. There was a suite of offices for M right off of
the design room that was also renovated. No one was allowed in there except for M's personal staff, family, the project directors, and me and perhaps one other premie, because I cleaned it up after he left.

By then a lot of the secret was out. Community premies may not have known exactly what was going on there, but they certainly knew he was giving daily darshan. They craved to be there. We who were there would look blissfully at each new Deca premie/employee with a knowing bliss in our eyes because we knew that they were in for some heavy darshan
experiences.

I didn't like all the new premies coming in and getting a piece of my darshan. It was a royal mindf**k, but that's how I felt. Eventually, I lost count of all the people at the Complex and didn't know everyone by name. Although I did know faces. I didn't care though. Even though

I was off the phones, the design room is one place he spent a lot of time, up close and personal.

I remember that late summer and fall trailer truck loads of goomraji's cars were driven from Malibu to the complex. M literally made the Deca Complex into his playground. One Foundation had a practice studio on the second floor--off limits except to authorized personnel. That rule applied to the garage area where his Maseratis and Mercedes stretch
limos, and many other of his cars were. On the office side a large satsang room was built with a semi-circle dais for his chair. That's where he held the instructors' training and meetings.

I knew that some premies were splitting up their marriages to come down to the 'Project.' I blissfully floated through that too. Some packed up and brought their entire families down there. I do know there were separations and divorces with children involved. To not accept an invitation to go to Deca was considered ''unsurrendered,'' or ''not devoted enough.'' Pity the premie who was told that!

I talk about Deca a lot because I know what it did to so many premies. I feel somewhat but not totally, unresolved about what it did to me, mentally, emotionally, and physically.

What I and other Deca premies considered to the highest privilege on earth: to serving the living lord in his presence, turned out to be one of the most damaging events in the cult's history in the west. Jim Jones style of isolation and deprivation.

I wonder about the premies I was close to there. I wonder how they are and how their lives turned out. I wonder why they don't talk about their experiences here. Perhaps it's fear, perhaps it's just wanting to forget how awful the conditions were and how stuck we all were in
obedience to whom we considered the living lord.

It's part of my life I can't take back. I lived in an advanced trance-state. I lost so much of myself slaving for him. And did he ever thank me or anyone else? Absolutely not. I don't think he knows what he did to the premies down there, in isolation, day after day.

Maharaj has a lot to learn about gratitude.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 14:10:29 (EST)
From: Maharaj has a lot
Email: None
To: Another DECAian
Subject: to learn about gratitude
Message:
best line I have read
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:22:53 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Another DECAian
Subject: 2 threads on DECA
Message:
Here are URL's for two earlier threads with info on DECA which was an acronym for Design Engineering Corporation of America. Maybe it really meant Darshan Ecstacy Compromises All.

Susan's Holi thread where Cynthia's 'DECA Trick' first appeared:
http://66.37.7.139/plus/plus.mirage?who=gl&id=18749.961944864652#THREAD

Bai Ji's DECA / AMP thread:
http://66.37.7.139/plus/plus.mirage?who=gl&id=12949.725628073805#THREAD

Interesting aside about DECA. I was recently chatting with an old pal who told me he no longer followed M because of the incessant 'important' meetings that turned out to be fund raisers for the latest aircraft. He had been around since the late 70's and never even heard of DECA or the 707 project. Just showed up at programs and tossed money in the till. He was furious about the waste of DECA and it reaffirmed his independant conclusion that it was all about money.

Like me, he wasn't bothered that M had affairs but thought it irresponsible of him to prey on susceptible followers. It is morally wrong and illegal for a priest, doctor or therapist to seduce a member of their congregation or patient.

Richard
[ DECA thread ]

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 13:41:21 (EST)
From: More about
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: DECA in archives
Message:
There is more about DECA in the forum archives. Scroll down to Finances / DECA / Amtext
[ Best Of Forum ]
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:14:33 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Another DECAian
Subject: DECA-hell
Message:
Cynthia captured the nature of DECA so well. I was also at DECA, being told to go there from Washington DC to be in the legal department because I had worked as a paralegal for a big Chicago law firm for awhile when I lived in the ashram there. One of the main things I remember about it was the frenetic nature of it all. Everyone seemed to be on speed all the time, and most people looked exhausted and miserable, just running faster to avoid having to look at what a wretched environment it all was.

At DECA there was no room, whatsoever, for interpersonal caring or support. It was just work all the time, and much of it seemed to have no point. It was like some bizarre nightmare. At least it was for me. I was not happy there. I didn't get blissed out when Maharaji waddled through the place, or when I saw him be cruel to people, or make unreasonable demands that the sincere premies tried to fulfill and damn their personal mental or physical health. It just lacked humanity and that was hard to continually repress how obvious that was, day after day. The repression alone was exhausting.

I also remember one of Maharaji's Rolls Royces sitting in the warehouse in Hialeah, and the warehouses filled with the obscene amount of stuff Maharaji owned, and never used. Eventually, two warehouses had to be rented to keep all his 'stuff.'

I remember sometimes Maharaji would come around and just walk through the place. I remember people freaking out and burning out. I remember people suffering and their families neglected.

Like Cynthia said, the whole plane acquisition and development was a major disaster, and it would never have happened but for the free, slave labor of literally hundreds of premies, plus, the continual inflow of money from cult members all over North America. If a slave got burned out, they were just sent to some provincial ashram and a new body was obtained to take that person's place. Premies in the provinces longed for the opportunity to come to DECA and be of personal service to the Lord, so there was always a ready supply of slaves. The slaves literally had no value other than what they could produce that Maharaji wanted. Everyone understood that at DECA, or one was not long for DECA. I was not long for DECA, just a few months. I was put in charge of getting permits and licenses for the operation. I raised too many troubling questions about the unsafe practices, the lack of safety, the lack of legality. I couldn't get with the program, so I was shipped to the other side of Miami, to be a coordinator for Elan Vital.

And if they needed more money to keep things going, which was constant, they just sent out the word for people to go into debt and give everything. Then, people were sent out through the country and the money was collected in cash, those premies returning with stuffed briefcases full of money, that we would count at the EV Alton Road offices, and deposit into accounts in separate deposits of less than $10,000 to get around the Treasury Department reporting requirements set up to prevent money laundering.

At some periods, I was one of the coordinators told by Elan Vital to get up in front of my community and tell them to max out their credit cards and fork over the cash, because Maharaji wanted this plane and that's all that mattered. Many people did it, and most of them could not afford to do it, and they and their families suffered as a result. My part in this is one of the biggest regrets I have about being in the Maharaji cult.

Maharaji just continually increased the demands. He wanted more and more stuff sooner, and much of it had nothing to do with the plane. He wanted new built cabinets in 'the residence,' (Raja Ji and Claudia also wanted custom-designed furniture), he wanted a rented Lear Jet he was going to use for some tour, to be outfitted with furniture and sleeping accommodations in literally 72 hours before he left. There were constantly other projects for other material things Mahararji wanted that had nothing to do with the plane. The man is insatiable when it comes to his material greed, and we were his willing slaves to get it all for him. It just wasn't feasible to tell Maharaji 'no.' People and their personal limitations were not recognized by Maharaji.

And for all of this, premies worked day and night, many people never leaving that wretched warehouse in Hialeah. People suffered personal injuries and illnesses because of the unsafe working conditions and the lack of sleep. Some people are still injured and a few have died. To my knowledge, Maharaji never bothered to worry about how his slaves were being personally taken care of. He only cared about the stuff he wanted, and he wanted that plane, badly, and the premies were just a means to get it.

There was no workers compensation insurance, no medical plan, no safety personnel, no vacations, no holidays, no labor laws were recognized, nothing but 'service' to the Lord.

I remember all those shuttle bus rides from the Broadripple to the warehouse. I remember the late nights. I remember the bad food and those ubiquitous styrafoam containers. I remember Maharaji coming and giving us satsang about how devotion and service to him was the purpose of our lives. He knew how to get what he wanted.

Everyone should remember DECA. It's the example of how little Maharaji cared about other people. It's the project he personally micromanaged and controlled, and the result was a disaster for everyone but him. It is the closest example to the kind of 'world' we would live in if Maharaji really were in charge, and a clear light on the kind of person Maharaji really is.

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Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 12:52:03 (EST)
From: Pullaver
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: DECA-hell
Message:
Everyone should remember DECA. It's the example of how little Maharaji cared about other people. It's the project he personally micromanaged and controlled, and the result was a disaster for everyone but him. It is the closest example to the kind of 'world' we would live in if Maharaji really were in charge, and a clear light on the kind of person Maharaji really is.

Just like how everyone should remember how Maharaji so cared about his devotees living in the ashram he personally saw to it that no weird trips were being laid. Remember how he would just drop by various ashrams and stay there when in town to do a program? No? Surely you remember how lovingly he closed 'em down with the utmost care and responsibility when they were no longer serving his interests?

He did it all for us to have the experience of service and devotion, don't you know.

Fuck, he took our trust and sincerity and youthful naivete and used the lot of us for his own personal gain. Is there a worse kind of scumbag? The fat, greedy, selfish, navel-gazing turd should be made to pay.

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Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 06:12:28 (EST)
From: Question
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Chemicals at DECA
Message:
Isn't true joe that many premies got sick working with heavy chemicals at Deca? I know a guy who worked expossed to solvents/hot plastic, etc. for years and in some point this guy went literaly crazy, and wanted to kill himself. He was married and had a young son at the time. This guy (I know his family) came to the cult as a perfectly normal person.

He had some college education, he was a veteran in the Air Force for a few years prior to being a premie. Very nice guy, but he went nuts around 1982, and the rumors were that he got sick working at Deca. Each day he was expossed to all kind of flamable substances without real protection. Evidently the expossure affected his nervous system in a way that the guy became obnoxious and his behavior deteriorated. Later on, a few years later he tried to committe suicide three times.

This guy is the father of my son. I believe the many years he worked at Deca left him sick. He himself mentioned to me that he was expossed to heavy stuff.

Did you hear of other cases of people complaining about the same?

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Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 13:19:03 (EST)
From: Joe
Email: kevjo@mindspring.com
To: Question
Subject: Re: Chemicals at DECA
Message:
I'm not sure who you are talking about, but this is what I know, and others know more than me.

I know one woman (an ex-premie) who lives in Northern California, who became disabled using the solvents and chemicals to clean and polish, and whatever, the controls in the cockpit of Maharaji's plane. When she left DECA, she was unable to work and had to go live with her parents, even though she was in her 30s. Neither DECA nor Maharaji gave her one cent in compensation. I spoke with her years ago about pursuing a workers compensation claim, since it was clear she was injured while being Maharaji's slave at DECA. She is a great person, BTW.

I remember there was a painting bay at DECA, and used not only spray paint, but also other chemicals. Minimal, if any, of the necessary safety precautions were taken for these premies who worked there. I have been since informed and it has also appeared on the Forum (and is probably in the BEST OF section of EPO), that a couple of people died early deaths who had worked in that area. I remember walking through that area, and it was truly toxic.

Are you still in contact with this person who was injured who is the father of your son? 1982 would have been around the time the plane project ended, so that date seems like it fits. It sounds like he was working in the same area.

You can email me if you like, but all this should be exposed, so maybe this person would be willing to come forward and talk about what happened.

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Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 15:17:26 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: I knew that woman well...
Message:
I knew that particular woman very well, Joe.

She was such an amazing talent. Her work did her great harm.

From what I have recently discovered, she still lives with disabilties from that slave camp.

People don't realize how much of a slave labor camp that DECA was. It was a bad place. I remember smelling the toxic mix of many different solvents, all mixing and melding throughout the factory area.

I also remember, as I have said before, that many brothers would tell me to go away, it wasn't safe to breath the air. I never thought about safety. It's so weird. I was so tanced out by darshan and his demands that if safety in the factory crossed my mind, I must have buried it.

What more than the ultimate cult mindf**k could bring me, a conscious woman with morals and a conscience, to ignore that awful environment?

Yeesh, I don't need survivor's guilt. I do invite anyone to please come forward with your stories about DECA.

The truth about that insidious time period in the Maharajism cult must be brought to light.

For the victims and survivors of that chemical waste dump of a shithole.

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Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 07:29:46 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Question
Subject: He's the father of YOUR son???(nt)
Message:
He's the father of YOUR son???(nt)

How'd he do that then?

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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 11:18:48 (EST)
From: Carl
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Your final paragraph: A scary thought
Message:
and an EXCELLENT caution:

'Everyone should remember DECA. It's the example of how little Maharaji cared about other people. It's the project he personally micromanaged and controlled, and the result was a disaster for everyone but him. It is the closest example to the kind of 'world' we would live in if Maharaji really were in charge, and a clear light on the kind of person Maharaji really is.'

'By their fruits ye shall know them.'

Whew! What a horror if M and the cult ruled a region, a nation, the whole world (didn't we all believe this, fervently want this?). It is awful enough that his dementia ruled our lives for as long as it did.

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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 04:07:48 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Tom and Katja Bossola
Message:
Did anyone know these premies who were called to Deca for service?

Tom Bossola was the main slave they wanted due to his carpentry skills. I wonder what ever happened to them.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 13:16:33 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: DECA-hell
Message:
Joe,

That was a great post.

Especially about making the $10,000 cash deposits to avoid IRS reporting. I consider DECA to be one of m's achilles's heels to this day because it was illegal in so many ways. Slave labor. Nothing less. Not to mention the many companies invented to hide the money and filter it to his coffers or the plane project.

It was secret beyond anyone's imagination of secrecy. In the small Hialeah warehouse there was one woman (an investment broker who came to work on the 707) who was in charge of finances (can't remember her name now but can see her face). Anytime Hession or someone else who was privy to the financial goings on there were having discussion with her in her cube, and I walked by, there was a huge hush. There were only certain people who knew what was going on.

And the filing system! Oh My God! The filing system was set up in the most convoluted way that we had to be trained extensively in order to understand it in order to use it! Number codes upon color codes upon more numbers, and more colors. It was invented to keep everything secret about that project. I remember being very frightened when asked to get a file because that system was so fucked up.

Naive and gopi as I was, I remember thinking, I know how to make this filing system simpler and much easier to use--his is weird. I never questioned it as a way to hide the illegalities going on there. Now I know.

(Raja Ji and Claudia also wanted custom-designed furniture)

That furniture was designed by a premie woman who was from Chicago. She was a high-end interior designer who wasn't an ashram premie but became a PAM--as I remember she had one kid as son. I remember one coffee type table that it was in the back part of the complex warehouse (where so many chemicals were used). That table had so many coats of whatever toxic chemical finish was on it. It was coated, sanded, re-coated again and again and again. It had some ridiculous number of coats on it, was a light bluish-green, and ugly. The finish was beautiful--done by some talented furniture maker. Not my taste in interior decorating though.

That was just one of the many diversions (additional projects) to the 707 reconfiguration mandated by Maharaji, which of course, added to the pressure of staying at the complex for days and days, to please the living lard and his brother.

The metal plating area was particularly toxic. I avoided that place and whenever I went over there, the guys always told me it wasn't so safe for me to be there and I'd leave. I was just curious because I'd never seen metal plating before and wanted to watch how it was done. They were nice folks were exposed to god knows what.

It's time to tell the truth about the DECA project.

I encourage anyone to post here who knows anything about that horrid period of Maharaji's World of Sludge.

Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 06:42:06 (EST)
From: Question
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: CHEMICALS
Message:
How did those chimicals affected people? Did premies mentioned anything, those that had to work around heavy chemicals said anything, or 'anything for the Lard' was the motto.

thanks for your inetresting stories. Keep them up.

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Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 12:51:42 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Question
Subject: Re: CHEMICALS
Message:
I can't answer a question to someone anonymous. If you have a name, please post it, or please choose an alias.

Sincerely,
Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:51:02 (EST)
From: Marshall
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: DECA-hell
Message:
Joe, AKA, Mr. Consistent,
That was really great, You consistentlty produce some of the best post's on here.
I liked DECA-hell so much that I just forwarded it to my mother.
I also added this:
All of your experiences and feelings are yours and belong to you and you alone.
Maharaji doesn't even know you, or care about you.
Do you really think he's 'there' for you?
Wake Up Mom!!!
The 'world' is what is real and
Maharaji is the illusion.
He's really Prem Pal Rawat, Indian businessman.
His business?
Conning gullible, sincere, hurting, humans into being his slaves for life.
Hopefully someday you will know this before it's too late for you.

Love, Your Son

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:45:59 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Custom made at DECA
Message:
If you donated money to M's 'extremely important work' or 'The Project' as it was known amongst those in the know, here is one example of how your money was spent. This box was used to hold the Krishna outfit to travel on the 707. It was custom made at DECA by an excellent cabinet maker who also built a cabinet to display M's watch collection.
[ Krishna costume transport box ]
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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 03:14:50 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: jmkahn@club-internet.fr
To: Richard
Subject: Richard? Please read!
Message:
Can you give us the background for this picture, where and when you got it and as many details as possible?

I'd like to have it on the EV-DLM Papers if there is enough detail to backup the info.

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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 14:18:30 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Re: Please read!
Message:
J-M,

The box was requested by M and the sketch below the photo shows his rough idea. That sketch was translated into working drawings by the DECA design department and fabricated in the cabinet shop.

The purpose of the box was to safely (and regally) transport M's Krishna costume onboard the Boeing 707. The entire airplane, being refurbished at DECA in the early 80's, was appointed with custom handmade furniture from the same cabinet shop.

The document came to me from an anonymous person who had been involved with design at DECA. That's all I know about this historical curiosity. Others who were there can most likely provide more details.

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Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 03:15:35 (EST)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: Please read!
Message:
When did you get the document ? Recently ?

Thank you.

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Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 21:34:01 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: richard@rogers-graphics.com
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: J-M, about a year ago
Message:
This was first posted about a year ago. Maybe you were busy at the time. There had been a discussion about DECA and this was sent to me by someone who had been there and asked me to put it up. Email me if you want.
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 17:25:04 (EST)
From: DECAian
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Are the jewels real?
Message:
Richard, I just thought of something after looking at the picture of the Krishna crown. Are the jewels real? Where did the crown come from?

The worst thing I remember from DECA was the 'crash room.' We worked so hard, that sometimes we didn't even go back to our hotel rooms to sleep. We crashed there in a tiny crash room, getting maybe three hours of sleep per night. The crash room wasn't well outfitted, i.e., you just crashed on a pad or mattress and threw over you whatever blankets happened to be there. No pillows. Sometimes more than one person in the room. Slept in our clothes. Don't remember there being a shower to use when we resumed work at 6:00 or 7:00 in the morning. No proper grooming, brushing teeth, etc. if we stayed over in the crash room. No proper breakfast.

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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 12:46:01 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: DECAian
Subject: Re: Are the jewels real?
Message:
Ah, the secret of the jewels on the crown.

I don't know either:) I doubt they are real anymore if they ever were.

Sorry, I couldn't even speculate.

Best,
Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 19:29:37 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: DECAian
Subject: Re: Are the jewels real?
Message:
Don't know anything about the fabrication of the crown itself or if the jewels were real. I doubt it.

There was a time when gold jewelry was actively sought because the word went out that M's crown should be made of real gold. Lots of heirlooms were given over and I heard they were sold off for weight rather than melted down to be used in the 'crown of creation'. One woman told me she gave her grandmother's wedding ring. Damn!

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 20:13:23 (EST)
From: PatD
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Just curious
Message:
You ever hear anything about the crown (gold) some spaced out English premies sent him early 80's.
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 20:16:22 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: PatD
Subject: Re: Just curious
Message:
I didn't hear about it but it wouldn't suprise me. Maybe someone else knows something.
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 13:18:27 (EST)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Let me guess - that was made for
Message:
Let me guess - that was made for a guy who never said he was Krishna, right?

I guess, by that same so-called 'reasoning' a premie could try and claim that Krishna never claimed to be God.

Dinky little penny whistle though. I wonder if he can hold a tune on it?

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 11:54:01 (EST)
From: ChrisP
Email: None
To: Another DECAian
Subject: Thanks DECAian and Cynthia too
Message:
Thanks for reposting this report. I missed it both in the archives and when Cynthia first posted it. Having not been a part of that DECA service project myself, I luckily missed its atrocities. So couple this report together with Cynthia's recently posted article on narcissism, this paints the portrait of an impatient kid who knows he's getting that toy plane he always drooled over for Xmas, but can't wait, so he throws in a little adoration lavishment (aka darshan) on his way to seeing how his new toy is coming along.

Egad, is the bathroom shower free? I'm next. We exes must be the cleanest bunch in the land by now.

ChrisP, I wish I could say something along the line of 'cheers' but I feel too sick right now....

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 04:18:37 (EST)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: Another DECAian
Subject: What a beautiful and moving post
Message:
Thankyou.

I love the last line 'Maharaj has a lot to learn about gratitude. '

I was never involved in DECA although I remember wanting to go down there to sneak a peek in the chance of getting darshan.. but never did.

I was around Miami quite a bit in the mid 80s and went to the res one day - it was a very 'precious' atmosphere.. as far as I remember (I was only a baby premie running an errand) there were a number of support houses around, and some bongos lingering by the gate and in the grounds of the hospital to try to catch a glimpse of him.

Places that are 'high status' and private -which you eventually are allowed into under severe conditions do have a heightened atmosphere.. and yet it must be horrific to have to live or work in those conditions day in and day out.

Friends of mine who lived with Maharaji for years got burned out by the insecurity of it all.. it is frightening to think that after nearly 20 yrs of personal service, some PAMs were still having a bad day if M didnt smile.

In all those years he offered no re-assurance to these people that they could trust him.. and so they doubted themselves.

Not nice.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 04:12:44 (EST)
From: Bryn
Email: None
To: Another DECAian
Subject: Good post. Thanks. nt
Message:
fgh
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 01:57:09 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Latvian Night San Francisco Redux
Message:
When two or more of us are gathered there is anti-satsang and there is true fellowship and caring.

Here we are again in an impromptu Latvian Night in a rainy San Francisco celebrating our freedom from our former Master, the totally bogus Guru Maharaj Ji (aka Maharaji.)

Oh, another night to remember is this! I remember the last time I was at the first San Franciscan Lativan night, but I shall not bore you with that! Oh, no!

Instead, we've seen vital and important and very ancient historical pictures of the one who is truly the Mahatma of Forum 7, none other than Brian Smith. Yes, there is a picture of Brian Smith in India, the 1972 Hans Jayanti trip, with a white-shirted thin tied Bob Mishler standing behind him giving the sacred satsang and Mahatma Brian Smith is charming a cobra snake.

And what a treat it is to finally meet the notorious and infamous barking chihuahua, Gerry, your humble volunteer Forum Webmaster. I've had the opportunity to meet Gerry a number of times, but he's always been a total flake, a no-show. Now cornered on the streets of San Francisco in front of a seedy hotel on Geary Street, I've, indeed, trapped the man on his way to Mitchell Brothers at O'Farrell and Larkin. Yes, Gerry loves his pussy!

And then there is Pat C. and his pair of handsome and rather quiet but quite deadly bodyguards. Mister C and Mister A. God, I love this man! If only I wasn't an over-sexed and under-fucked naive hetero...

Finally, there is Aunt Marianne and god forbid that you end up as anyone other than her friend. Truly, Marianne left the cult for all the right reasons early on. And a major reason for Marianne to leave the insane, brainwashed clutches of a sick cargo cult was to return to school and help others. Marianne has helped me immensely, not to mention others who needed her help even more than me, people who owe their lives to Marianne.

And at the Millennium Resturant we drank a toast a glass organic vegan Heller Estate Chardonnay. We toasted to our happiness and our success. We toasted our freedom from our Master. And we toasted our friendship.

Ah, I've got to run soon. I've got to catch a BART train back to some sick little Republican suburban enclave where the software that I write moves millions of dollars through the economy every day. And forgive me if I'm getting sentimental, but the last time I was here I missed that train and...

P.S. Don't forget to check out the link on this post! And check out Chronicles of the Red Nighty at the House of Maharaji Drek
[ The Lords Hooters (gotta love them) ]

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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 14:45:14 (EST)
From: Sulla
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: That guy....
Message:
The one on the chair is meditating? Because I remember this guy, almost 25 years ago, who told me that his first time was with M. during meditation,and you know? His face looks familiar.
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 03:47:16 (EST)
From: Miss Taken
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Why so much internal aggression?
Message:
Hi Roger, As a confused new reader here, I don't understand why there is so much personal aggression between mutual persuants of a clear understanding as to what transpired for us as lovers/former lovers of M & K.

I have visited your site,(Rogers House of Drek) of course, and even though I was shocked at first, ( never having my sensibilities exposed to direct derogatory statements and accusations of my Master) I have come to appreciate your self expression of hurt, and I respect your right to say this however you wish.

All of us have feet of Clay (mine sometimes recently feel, of Shit)

I would think that we could overlook our obvious glaring personality differences, to coalesce with the purpose served by this Forum.

Whether it achieves a goal of exiting people from their devotion to m or permits the unspoken permission required for us Long Term Devotees to Logically think through our many years of unquestioned obedience to someone who may or may not even know or care about us, (bad sentence form I know)

I do not care, if anyone Premie or ex is hurting, I want to be compassionate to that.

If you guys have a personal vendetta that we are not aware of, then I would suggest that I am right in recommending you to vent it elsewhere or make it OT.

Personally, I am having a hard enough time sorting out the Truth from the Lies without having to filter out personal agendaes.

Time may have inured you to the extreme pain experienced by Recent evacuees.

Please be empathetic toward this.

With utmost respect and regard.
Love newbie

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 18:27:11 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: Miss Taken
Subject: Sorry about that, Miss.
Message:
I see that you have caught on. Forgive me, for I know not what I do most of the time.

But we are a real people here. We kid around and joke and play like anywhere else. I exited from Maharaji only a few years ago myself and I had to get used to dealing with people in a more real way. The problem with being in the cult is that the interactions of the good people is so often stifled because everyone is so uptight trying to figure out what Maharaji wants and how Maharaji wants them to be. I hated it. It was so confusing.

So, hang on and hang out and you'll be ok. I've been out now about 4 years and I feel now that I'm just beginning to be myself once again and things are good and things are more real.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 09:02:45 (EST)
From: mistaken
Email: None
To: Miss Taken
Subject: Sorry guys, I get it now....
Message:
I am just hurting and my sense of humour has buggered off.
I read it again and I heard a different voice this time.

Fuck this exiting it hurts!!!!!

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 17:13:29 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: mistaken
Subject: Don't worry about it...
Message:
I know you are hurting and know how that feels. Welcome to the forum.

If you would like to talk privately, feel free to email me at:

sylviecyn@yahoo.com

Confidentiality guaranteed.

It does hurt. But it doesn't last forever. Hold on.

Be well,
Cynthia J. Gracie
Vermont, USA

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 13:42:49 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: mistaken
Subject: It's allright,
Message:
I imagine a quick exiting, or sudden realization unlike my drifting away and finally coming to terms, might feel a bit like an exorcisism.

You may get flamed here by trolls but most everyone here has a eye and an ear out for whatever you may need to express or know about.
We will help in any way we can and try and protect you from the cyber scammers.

In any case reading the posts here can be helpful.

Good luck,
Love your handle
We were all mistaken now weren't we?

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:48:12 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: mistaken
Subject: Sorry you're hurting Miss T
Message:
I wish you would email me or any other expremie that you trust and talk about it. Sometimes this forum can be a bit rough and tumble for a newbie. But you are among friends here.
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 04:03:23 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com
To: Miss Taken
Subject: You're mistaken, Miss Taken
Message:
I suggest that you read a bit more before jumping to conclusions. Gerry and eDrek are playing. I dare not make another joke about what drunken bums they are in case your are sincere and serious which is hard to tell since you haven't really introduced yourself.

How are you, Miss T?

My real name is Patrick Conlon and I live in San Francisco. You can even email me at my real email address posted above.

Would you care to tell us a bit about yourself?

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 02:04:01 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: You're blocked, buttwipe...
Message:
It's all ugly lies. I'm a dog lover.
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 02:07:55 (EST)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Block me, you Asshole!!!
Message:
No, I'm not Jim. I'm a plant!@!!!! And I just edited the Forum!!!
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 02:32:51 (EST)
From: Marianne
Email: MarianneDB@aol.com
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Another night with de boys
Message:
So ends another evening with some of the exes. If you think this last exchange reflects our evening, you've been sucked into a false universe.

I love all of these guys madly. Each one is special in their own way. They've been there for me as a group and as individuals when I needed a friend, a shoulder to cry on, a big brother protector, a good laugh, an honest opinion. When people say that the forum is not real life, tonight proves otherwise.

I hope you will all take a moment to send warmth and love to those with whom you've become close here, across cyberspace. Sometimes we don't really grasp the significance of our contributions to each others' lives until we see each other face to face, and offer our love and support without restraint. These friendships have been a gift to me.

Marianne

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 13:51:17 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Marianne
Subject: Don't read this, Jim, because...
Message:
... I already posted it to you under the astrology thread were you said your ears were not burning but wondered if food was involved. I'm too pooped to write another post tonight so here's a review of today's Latvian gathering's culinary delights.

I cooked lunch for Brian and Gerry - kalamata olive tapenade (vegan - no anchovies) on polenta to keep the wolf from the door before baked portabella mushrooms with almond stuffing, mashed potatoes and crimini gravy, a mildly curried mixed veg ragout and Cape Dutch butter beans and Afrikaner melktert for dessert (cross between a Mexican flan and creme broulee.)

We just got back from Millenium where we met B and G, Marianne and Drek for dinner. Millenium is the cathedral of the organic vegan religion. It has a schpiel on the menu titled ''Our Mission.'' (I drew attention to that so loudly and rudely that everyone stared.)

It is staffed by waitpersons who sleep with their noses tied to the ceiling so that it sticks elegantly in the air while they serve the parishioners who all look like anaemic versions of that woman who sat in a tree for two years defending it - desperate for a blood-transfusion or is that an enema?.

Each organic biodynamically grown carrot costs as much as Liberia's GNP and the food is very tall. You cannot see your dining companions until you have eaten two feet of organic garnish off the three pieces of tofu on a bed of circumcised arugula.

We toasted Marianne for her recent birthday with a bottle of Veuve Clicqot which she insisted on treating us to in the bar before dinner. We also drank a toast to our dog Marjie (who gave such good doggie darshan) who had to be euthanized this morning.

I got nominated wine-picker for dinner. To go with appetizers we had a Chardonnay from Heller Estate in your honor and made a toast to you and all our other absent forum friends. For the main course we had several bottles of a California Claret, the Newton Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon, Cabernet Franc and Malbec blend - almost as nice as the Cape Claret I served Dettmers the other night.

No one finished their entrees. They were truly awful - works of art to feast the eyes on and totally inedible. Give me tasty peasant food any day. So we filled up on desserts and they were okay and the manager and chef came out to meet the three bears from Joubert's and treat us to plate of assorted sorbets.

All of this elegance of course was ruined by the people from the boonies - eDrek with his stupid fake boobs and pink plastic mala dangling in the hickory smoked penne a la poop-something, Brian in orange cowboy boots (don't these tourists know that we charge everybody with cowboy boots double?) and Gerry - now there's a hoot.

Sure I was expecting a rottwelier built like a brick shithouse wearing camouflage and an NRA baseball cap. You could have knocked me down with a feather when he trailed in - tall, slim almost fey (he'll hate me for blowing his cover) with dreamy eyes, a long white ostrich feather boa and the aura of being trailed by two dozen white cats (like the lady in Gormenghast) who all sit on him while he's at his computer deleting stuff off the forum.

Marianne and I shocked the tourists with the current SF cause celebre known as ''The Aryan Brotherhood defending lawyer couple who had sex with the dog who ate a lesbian case.'' The case was moved to southern California because of it's controversial nature. Opening arguments were heard today but Marianne assured us that evidence that they had sex with the dog who ate the lesbian and belonged to the Aryan Brother convict with whom the wife also had sex (photographed of course by the husband) was not allowed in.

Once again a most enjoyable evening with some of the most interesting people I am pleased to know. I just wish we'd had eaten at some nice plain Italian restaurant instead of a restaurant with a goddam ''mission.''

PatC, the culinary critic.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 20:49:08 (EST)
From: Miss Taken/Bai Ji
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Why don't I live in NAM?
Message:
Dearest Guys, Thank you for your warm support re my mental breakdown a while ago, up above.

I truly laughed my heart out with your regaling of the evenings events.

Pat Ji.. I am so saddened for your loss of Marjie, Again, I am put in my place and have to put my self absorption at bay.
I empathise the True loss of a beloved one, that deserved all the devotion you, Chuck and Andy conferred on her.

Unlike YKW.
Vale Marjie, see you soonest.
XXXX

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 22:34:45 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Miss Taken/Bai Ji
Subject: Just pack your bags and move
Message:
.............to California. Of course SF is not sunny southern Cal. I just said in an email to a friend that we just got back from saying goodbye to Brian and Gerry.

''We all parted today on the cliffs at Land's End amid the swirling magical fog of San Francisco and the mournful foghorns on the Golden Gate bridge.''

Remember the song the Lady was a Tramp?

''She hates California.
It's cold and it's damp.
That's why the Lady is a Tramp.''

Thanks for your kind words about Marjie who gave some of the best doggie darshan even if she only weighed six pounds and was blind as a bat.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 16:08:42 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: RIP Marjie
Message:
We also drank a toast to our dog Marjie (who gave such good doggie darshan) who had to be euthanized this morning.

Sorry to hear about the loss of your companion, Pat.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 22:39:08 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: RIP Marjie- thanks, Richard. [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 14:52:24 (EST)
From: Brian Smith
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: A good time was had by all
Message:
heathen Pacific NW Rednecks that we are, I thought that the one place in the world where people would graciously accept Orange Alligator cowboys boots would be San Francisco, but no , it seems that even the most liberal of flair and have limits.

As pat described in his Post he earlier prepared a fabulous and filling lunch at his reataurant earlier for Gerry and I. And a good thing that it was that I was still feeling the comfort and fullness of my lunch at Joubert's, because the evenings fare was qiute disapointing in compasrision. It was interesting to note the buzz of the restuarant staff around us when Pat . Chuck and Andy were recognized as owners of Joubert's. the chef and all of the staff came out and personally introduced themelves.

It was a lovely evening of fun and friends and of course ample teasing and kidding which spilled over onto the Post last night and was mistaken as animosity by some of the others.

Nothing good be farther from the truth, we kid and joke and and spoof one another and the ability to poke fun at ourselves in this way is borne out of an intimate understanding only of folks who have known the battles that we have waged rediscovering our own self will and purpose once again free from the cult.

We shared hope and inspiration amonst ourselves last night and an ample supply of laughter and love as well , the best medicine of all

Next time Pat, I vote for Italian food as well, trendy gourmet vegitarian crusine is almost as pretentious as a pair of Orange Alligator Cowboy boots

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 15:40:06 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: See you in the Castro....OT
Message:
...in half an hour for lunch. Yes, let's have Italian this time either at Incontro (northern Italian) or Luisa's (southern Italian.) I hope you told Gerry he has to wear his feather boa to blend in the gay Castro. And those orange cowboy boots will be tres chic in the Castro too. Any lurkers will think all us exes do is eat eat eat - and wear drag.
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 15:03:47 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Brian Smith
Subject: But how does THIS happen?
Message:
Brian,

You wrote:

Nothing good be farther from the truth...

We all know you meant 'could', so how'd it end up 'good'? This happens to me all the time here. I've never had this problem before that I know of. Is there a secret elf somewhere? Any ideas?

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 22:41:06 (EST)
From: Brian S
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: It' s Gerry and eDrek
Message:
Either that or just thoughts and words hammered hurrriedly with minimal typing skills and no proof reading lends itself to the problem.
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 14:05:02 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Too late
Message:
Pat,

Sounds like a lot of food, I mean fun. Sorry I missed it. Great review, by the way. You should send them a copy -- anonymously, of course.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 14:31:14 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: and we missed you too
Message:
Too funny, I joked to Chuck and Andy about posting it on the local board for restaurant reviews - anonymously of course but unfortunately I do have a conscience.
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 00:41:32 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: All
Subject: why we're irrelevant to him
Message:
. i was going to start a fresh thread at the top, but this actually illuminates more by being put right here.

this is a joke that came in my mail yesterday. it is couched putting Enron at the the center of the joke, but it suddenly dawned on me that Maharaji is working the same game, and this is why we are so irrelevant to him::


a self employed entrepreneur moves to a new territory, looking for someplace to set up shop.
he meets a neighbor who has a farm, a ranch, really, and asks the man if he would sell him a work animal he can use to start some projects. the neighbor says sure, I've got a donkey I can sell you for $25.
the new guy peels off 25 bucks, hands it to him, shakes his hand and says 'fine. bring it over, first thing in the morning.
next day, the neighbor appears at the guy's door, all regrets, and informs him that during the night, unexpectedly, the donkey died.
the new man asks if he can have his money back, and the neighbor shakes his head, and tells him he's already spent it and has no more.

not to be phased, the new man debates a minute with himself, then turns to the neighbor and says 'don't worry about it. bring the donkey over this afternoon'.
the neighbor isn't sure he heard right and asks if that's what they guy is sure he wants: a dead donkey. the guy affirms that it is, since he bought and paid for it, and he owns it now.

The next day the neighbor drives his truck over and delivers the dead donkey. He asks the new guy what on earth is he gonna do with it? Grinning, the new guy says 'you'll see'.
a month goes by and the neighbor stops back by to find out what the new guy ended up doing with his unfortunate DOA purchase. He still feels badly for not having been able to give the guy a viable animal, nor get him his money back.
The new guy hears this out, then guffaws freely and takes out a roll of hundred dollar bills and regales him with this story:
'after you went home that day, I took out an ad in all the papers, the tv, the radio stations. I announced I was holding a raffle for this donkey, and the winner of the raffle at the end of a month would get to take home this fine animal for their own'.
'I sold my tickets at 2 dollars apiece, and do you know, I took in a thousand dollars ?'
'on the day of the raffle, I drew a name out of the barrel and contacted the fella who'd bought the winning ticket.'
'Well, ya know, he drove over here to claim his prize, and when he saw that his donkey was dead, he made a big fuss and demanded that i give him his money back'
' so did. I gave him his 2 dollars back, shook his hand, and told him how I was sorry to disappoint him, and saw him to the gate as he drove off, and then I came back here, to find you a'waitin to chat with me. I figure, between the $25 I lost to you, and the $2 I gave him back, I made $973 out of the deal'

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 01:13:06 (EST)
From: Peter Howie
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Re: why we're irrelevant to him
Message:
Too right and spot on.

This lark is as old as the hills and there is a sucker born every minute. We can wave at the people going in as we go out - but hey! Learning is a tough process.

I was watching a show on Chille and Pinochet this afternoon - I noticed that the police and army were really into what they were doing. I reckon that the police and army et al really thought that these radicals were all loony bastards who were dangerous for them and their families and their nation. Not all but a hell of a lot. Nothing would have persuaded them otherwise. I remember seeing an interview with a Greek policeman who had hurt and tortured people during the Greek dictatorship 20 - 30 years ago. He was convinced at the time that the bastards he was torturing where trying to blow him up all the time and were treasonous adn worse than dogs. During the interview - way past the end of the dictatorship - he was very full of remorse and horrified by what he had colluded in with others. They also interviewd some of the people he tortured. One of them was clear he could forgive and felt more sorry for the spiritual/ethical/emotional destruction of a person who is so influenced by such a system. Even though he was permanently disabled.

Cheers

Peter Howie
Brisbane, Australia

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 23:28:06 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Amaroo Magazine
Message:
Here are a few blurbs:

At your service ... guests got the chance for the finest of dining at the newly-built Functions Centre. A unique trolley system allowed diners to mix and match their own dishes, and every night of the conference the 160-seat venue was fully booked.

The place to be when the sun began to set ... delegates gathered at the Amphitheatre to listen to the speakers and be entertained in the cool of the evening. Recent improvements meant the events could be broadcast via satellite around the world and translated into many languages.
[ Page Link ]
[ Graphic Link ]

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 20:14:22 (EST)
From: Bryn
Email: None
To: All
Subject: I've just found the EV template
Message:
I've just stumbled on a dusty old copy of 'the Mystic Philosophy of Sant Mat' published 1964 by the Radhasoami Satsang Beas. It was written by a westerner Peter Fripp about his experiences in 1950s India with his Perfect Master. Everything he describes, EVERYTHING, was what M parroted to the west from 1974 to 2000 when I stopped listening. The stories, the cosmology, philosophy, social assumptions, religious basis,techniques, forms of words, whole sentences, all of it, the whole package predate M's unfolding of it to us in the early seventies onwards.

Somewhere in my little mind I had assumed that M was a pioneer of some sort. He clearly wasn't at all. He was infact completely formulaic, unoriginal, and orthodox to the extreme. He just stuck to the script and changed his audience. I was the only original factor in the situation. Me and the reactions of thousands of other young westerners like me.

Maharaji is a very orthodox, conservative practitioner of a conventional Sikh based tradition of Guru worship.He simply shipped the whole structure over here and got lucky. Maybe he was too young or too unoriginal to make any concessions to the western world at large, but either way his tried and tested routine found a receptive audience in me. Christ!I was a good Christian Boy with ideals and expectations, and there was he saying all that spiritual stuff. I had no idea he had a context, and that where he came from, every village Master talked like that. He must have noticed surely.

My susceptability was the main factor in M's power to influence. Himself he is totally unoriginal. No wonder he seemed so assured in his role. He was simply doing what his dad had shown him- DOING IT TO THE LETTER.

I know that if someone had shown me the above book before seeing M, I would have had to ask myself: 'Why on earth should I want to become a part of an obscure Sikh guru venerating cult?' (No disrespect at all intended to the Sikh community to whom these observations don't apply anyway).

What an amazing topic this is. I've been so stupid! I just walked in and closed the door behind me. Whatever next.

Love Bryn

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 01:37:21 (EST)
From: Peter Howie
Email: None
To: Bryn
Subject: Worse again
Message:
And what is worse,

I remember reading a couple of those types of books at the local spiritual book joint - and getting slightly freaked and purposefully closing them and turning my back. It was complicated - I think I checked that their 'holy name' was a mantra and then felt just safe enough to leave it alone and hop back on my hight horse.

If I had seen it before MJ I would have laughed my head off. Maybe not taken it seriously - but LSD put my rational mind on hold for a while and my emotional responses ruled the roost - so who knows.

Cheers

Peter Howie
Brisbane, Australia

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 03:35:52 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Peter Howie
Subject: LSD and Latterday Sikhist Hyperbole
Message:
Or should that be ''Latterday Sikhist Delirium?''

If I'd known that stuff like the Rawat Family Revivalist business was as common in India as roaming religious hucksters are in Dixie, I would have...or would I?

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 04:22:04 (EST)
From: Loaf
Email: None
To: PatC
Subject: Re: LSD and Latterday Sikhist Hyperbole
Message:
I remember flicking through a similar book at the height of my premiedom.. and it just got filtered out.

Maharaji was the man for me, thats all I felt I needed to know. The only context which I could accept was HIS... grace, gratitude and gullibility.. the three sacred G strings which bind us.

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 21:03:15 (EST)
From: But wait,
Email: None
To: Bryn
Subject: there's more
Message:
http://users.erols.com/nataraj/RADHASO.html
[ Page Link ]
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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 21:20:53 (EST)
From: A free set
Email: None
To: But wait,
Subject: of steak knives
Message:
if you can answer these multiple choice questions correctly:

1. Guru is greater than God because Guru
a. has stolen God's PIN number
b. reveals God
c. thought up the term 'Self-Knowledge'
d. says so

2. Divine Light is brighter than
a. a million suns
b. your UV shirt under disco light
c. a refrigerator bulb
d. your intellectually-challenged hamster

3. Revelatory thinking owes its survival to
a. the need to keep a publishing industry healthy
b. some guy in 1473 with temporal lobe epilepsy
c. the self-interest of several lineages of guys with great jobs
d. God looking for a means of artistic expression

Thank you for your attention and time. Send entries to:
Radha Soami R Us, Self-Effulgent Lane VA 22150

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:07:19 (EST)
From: Newsclipper (France)
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Bring me the head of that Sect
Message:
French Associations Against Entry in Europe of American Sect Head

PARIS, May 22 (Xinhuanet) -- Two French associations Tuesday called for a European ban against the head of America sect 'Elan Vital' who plans to attend conferences and give lectures in many European cities on May 26 and 27. ''Guru Maharaji' should be declared persona non grata across the Schengen area,' announced the two associations on their Web sites Combat and Voltaire Network.

'Relevant institutions should consider the trouble to public order that the stay of an international sect head in Europe and, particularly in France,' demanded the two associations with former followers of the sect in Combat's Web site www.vih.org/combat.

In the area defined by Schengen Accord, travelers can pass freely across land frontiers in the 15 signatory European countries. Guru Maharaji, who is also called 'Prem Pal Singh Rawat,' is an India-originated American. He set up 'Elan Vital' in the United States in 1971 and claims 'having been sharing a simple yet profound message for over 30 years with those who wish to hear it. '

He travels in his private plane and chairs conferences all over the world to teach meditation skills that he claims possessing uniquely. With money collected through sales of cassettes and financial contributions solicited from his followers, the guru lives a ' sumptuous' life, according to his former followers. 'Elan Vital,' together with 170 other similar organizations, was declared a sect by the French National Assembly in 1995. Enditem

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 08:39:37 (EST)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Newsclipper (France)
Subject: Alright, YOU are famous M
Message:
as it should be, as a 'person non grata'. That is simply great, as it seems Maharaji is getting the attention he always wanted. He WILL be known by the whole world eventually, as he wanted, but he will be known for different reasons. The joke is on you Maharaji and even that many say you are great the world will learn that your devotees like your 'teachings' ONLY because you brainwashed them all to think you are great, but the reality is know around here. You are worse than a piece of crap. Maharaji,you enslaved your devotees, specially the ones who work near you (PAMs) and brainwashed them to think you are GOD. Shame on you fatso! I want to see your scam exposed in each magazine it exists, you, deluded LIAR!

Sorry, I'm mad at fatso today, again. It seems the anger fades away until memories feed the fire again. The father of my son SLAVED in Deca and I just read Chyntia's post. MAHARAJI SUCKS!

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:29:26 (EST)
From: Francesca :~)
Email: None
To: Newsclipper (France)
Subject: Uh, wasn't this last year??? [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:31:04 (EST)
From: Newsclipper
Email: None
To: Francesca :~)
Subject: Yes, it was 2001 (nt)
Message:
But probably it wasn't available in English until recently.
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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:20:15 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Newsclipper (France)
Subject: What's this all about?
Message:
First of all, where did you get this? And do you know anything else about this most interesting turn of events? European premies must be flippin' over this.
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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 21:46:30 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: i remember translating this
Message:
this followed last year's suffocatingly close scrutiny of maharaji's scheduled appearance at the Palace of Versailles last may, the one where Combat was published and the French government set upon Mr. Rawat with a passionate suspicion; intercepting his jet at the private airport he opted to land at in the dead of night, miles out in the countryside, remote from the heart of the dense populace, hoping to evade their gaze, and failing spectacularly. He was searched, his luggage likewise, and then flanked fore and aft by police escort to and from the city and his appearance at Versailles. Double Police security was assigned to the area surrounding the Palace, the news media was out in force, interviewing all kinds of spectators, and despite the heavy surveillance, Maharaj still tried using the old trick of sending a decoy car ahead of his real one, to arrive at the stage door first, in an effort to create a magnet to draw off the press and onlookers so that he could get inside the building in some measure of secrecy. That tactic also failed spectacularly.
As a result of all the uproar, Maharaji cancelled any plans he had of staying in the country beyond his coming, speaking and going, and is real nervous about returning to France ever again. The French premies are probably going to have to travel to other European locations outside of France, if they hope to ever see him in person again, due to this drastic change in the nation's disposition toward him.

I am sure you were here last year when we posted all these goings-on, Jim. Don't you recall?

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 22:10:52 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Re: i remember translating this
Message:
Janet,

Of course I remember that whole 'saga' [word over-used ad nauseum by cult leader in the 70's - ed.]. I just thought this was a new chapter somehow. Mind you, when I look again the dates are off.

So why have you bothered to post this again, Newsclipper?

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:32:25 (EST)
From: Newsclipper
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: This freaked out Danielle
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 17:06:26 (EST)
From: Marshall
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Attn. Francesca and Deborah
Message:
Hello,
I've just skimmed the relevant posts from yesterday pertaining to the discussion/argument I'm involved in down below in the now huge Cosmic Experience thread.
After looking things over I now realise I was confused on one issue, which is that I was talking with two seperate people named Francesca and Deborah. Somehow yesterday I only noticed the name Francesca and ovelooked there was also a Deborah involved.
In any case I pretty much stand by what I said, except that I want to make clear that I wasn't trying to insult anyone with the 'Granny in the fast lane comment'. What I meant was to compare this forum to the fast lane of the freeway, and in the same sentence I compared premies who may be lurking but who are 'turned off' by the 'confrontational' tone of some of the hardliners like Jim or Gerry, or maybe even(gasp)me, to, grannie's who want to drive 55 in the fastlane and resent(and block off) all the 'reckless' speeders doing a whopping 70,
since 70 is illegal or whatever. I don't feel that you,Fran and Deb, are in that category but I feel you may be codependent to them(the grannie's in the fastlane).
Actually I like you Francesca you have always said nice things to me, and Deborah I'm not sure of who you are but you seem just fine.
I guess my worry is that people become intimidated to speak out and be real about things that are important to them so that a few delicate fencesitters won't be turned off. Thisforum shouldn't be watered down that way. So if someone wants to say that they think that all meditation is just worthless garbage than,
so what?
Wheww!!
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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 20:51:53 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: Sleeps with Cats
Message:
I'm trying so hard to rehabilitate myself and there you go calling me a hardliner and even mention my name in the same sentence as the notorious Mr Heller.

Even though I'm only 5'5' and a solid 200 pounds of pure RottWeiller on a human frame , the soft heart of a pussycat beats gently under my camo T-shirt. That, is after I loosen my combat boots and takeoff my (tin-foil) helmet ...

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 21:54:20 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: run with the wolves
Message:
hey ger--forget that tinfoil hat. 36 layers of antistatic mylar keeps the aliens from penetrating your thoughts, so much more effectively. in fact, just to really confuse them, I concealed within mine every circuit-and chip embedded anti shoplifting sticker I could peel off of merchansise last year, just to send back corrupting data to their mothership scanners and sensors.
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 19:55:34 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Hey this is hysterical
Message:
That is some wickedly funny shit you said there, janet ())
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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 17:57:57 (EST)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: Assuming someone is ...
Message:
codependent is a big leap. The only point I was trying to make is that the Forum is whatever anyone ends up posting. It is not intrinsically a fast lane, although I would not argue that in operation, it certainly is one, currently.

And of course, we can agree to disagree about considering the feelings of others. Where each person draws the line is an individual choice. Courtesy and codependence are two disparate concepts.

Francesca

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 21:27:24 (EST)
From: Did you hear about
Email: None
To: Francesca
Subject: the co-dependant
Message:
who was dying? Someone's life flashed before his eyes.
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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 02:23:00 (EST)
From: Francesca :~)
Email: None
To: Did you hear about
Subject: Touche! good one! [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 17:56:15 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: Re: Attn. Francesca and Deborah
Message:
Marshall,

By now I'm sure you read my response to your post. Keep in mind that I slightly differ from Francesca in my observation. Your analogy of the fast lane deserves some comment.

To me, the forum is not one big FAST LANE. It is a highway to freedom from the indoctrination that has plagued all of us. Some want to rev their engines, and challenge other drivers to a drag, others may want to cruise. Some may want to pull over and have a picnic.

Maybe I am really off base to think that all of this should be tolerated. I'm just one person with my own take on things.

cheers,

deborah, who doesn't really have the right to any car analogy because she is merely the proud owner of a buspass.

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 22:11:58 (EST)
From: Barry
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: AND SOME OF US.....
Message:
like to pull over, blow up their car,and dance on the smoldering wreck with their underwear on their head!!!!
aaah HaHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!
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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 14:24:07 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Hurting here, help please...
Message:
Everyone,

I should have taken my own advice about not posting on LG. There's no way I'll ever go back there again.

I should never have started posting to Ex-Aspirant and especially to Catweasal. I called him a Perfect Asshole, then copied my post: Trick of DECA, onto LG and and also tried to answer Catweasal's questions.

This is what the FORUM JANITOR posted to me:

Your posts in this thread have bordered on the psychotic. That in itself is no crime. The hate you peddle here is more dubious because it has nothing to do with the subject on which you speak. Shape up or be shipped.

It is no wonder Scott got Ridder you.

He's talking about Scott Ritter. The premie boyfriend I had starting in 1976. He forced me to have an abortion through deception (promise of marriage), coercion, and advice from Charanand and Scott's powerful family.

That's all I will ever say about Scott Ritter ever again. I had already made the decision not to discuss this matter on any forum again, but this one has just deflated me. I will never go back to LG. I will never respond to Catweasal or any premie who comes here to insult, distrupt and deliberately hurt people.

I'm hope the FORUM JANITOR from LG is happy. He's hurt me to my core. Reading that brought back the excruciating pain of aborting a baby I wanted to bring to term.

I want to point out how deliberately hurtful premies have become in defense of Maharaji.

These premies are sick.

Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 17:18:39 (EST)
From: Forever
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: the victim.
Message:
Broadcasting your hurt for eveyone to see. Then somehow pinning it on Maharaji. Same ol' pattern Cynthia.

Speaking of sickness......

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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 11:57:26 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Forever
Subject: Yep, she's telling all.....
Message:
You can't stand the truth, the real truth, the truth with the capital T now can you? The truth about DECA and the courage Cynthia has. She divulged aspects of her life in order to allow people to understand and put in perspective the cult and what it can do to you, now that's courage among other things. Her first hand experiences. What really happened behind the scenes. And you used that information to hurt here. You're sick!

She is so much healtier than you, she's actually human. She has integrity, ethics, honesty, cognition, empathy, and love.

Why don't you pin your post to who you really are? Namely your name. Just a small truth in the bigger scheme of things. Oh, I forgot, the world you walk in is made of Maya. Knowledge is the key, Maharaji the Master. What a role model you're following, what a crutch you're using. Well, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, now does it? You're a perfect example. You have become just like him! You have finally realized Knowledge. Take a good, long, hard look. This is what you have become.

The only way out of this fix is more meditation. Shut out the world, experience your inner self, the bliss, the truth. After all, it's all about you, now isn't it?

How dare you say that to Cynthia, you cult addled asshole!

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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 13:21:16 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Hey, Tonette, Thanks...
Message:
You are some woman. Thanks for defending me, I'm honored, truly.

These creeps don't scare me. You know why? Because ignorance is bliss. And I'm not scared of their brand of ignorance anymore.

You are a sweetheart...
Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 20:18:03 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Forever
Subject: Cynthia The Survivor...
Message:
doesn't suffer fools like you.

Thanks for the reminder, though. It is important not to blame victims.

Sincerely,
Cynthia J. Gracie
Vermont, USA And who are you?

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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 20:27:47 (EST)
From: How much whining
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: do you think we can take folks
Message:
Frankly, that's about the only thing that goes on here, and you Cynthia are on of the biggest whiners. Whining as a form of revenge....interesting. Talk about limp and impotent.

Say, here's something that came through the net recently that may help.

'You don't have to buy from anyone. You don't have to work at any particular job. You don't have to participate in any given relationship. You can choose.' Harry Browne

1. Be clear about what you want. Have a sense of purpose. With a target to aim for, you'll know what will serve you best.

2. STOP and ASK yourself questions. 'Why am I doing this? What do I want to achieve?' WRITE down your answers. Be more conscious of how you are spending your precious time, because this is your life passing by. This will help you say, 'Wait! I don't want to do this anymore!'

3. Never allow yourself to play the victim. Victims have given away their power. You alone are responsible for your life. When you fully accept this, you will claim your inner power to make better choices. Change often comes from nothing more than a shift in perspective.

4. Be open to possibilities for yourself. Select one area of your life where you are unsatisfied, and choose something new, something more for yourself. Do different things and do things differently. Risk more.

Empowerment arises from the three Cs: choice, courage and change. They are yours to claim. You'll be astounded at how easy it will be to take charge once you've made up your mind to do so. You have the opportunity to create a future that's very different from your past. And remember: not choosing is also a choice.

'It is always your next move.' -- Napoleon Hill

There's some wisdom in all aof that Cynthia. Doubt if you'll hear it though.

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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 23:41:25 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: How much whining
Subject: Re: do you think we can take folks
Message:
Stop WHINING, carping and apologising for your fraud 'self-knowledge' teacher......move on ....get a life ....return back to humanity instead of lurking around the internet anonymously like a coward, like a secret-agent zealot. grow up and stand on your own two feet instead of selling your soul to Rawat Enterprises Inc.

There's some wisdom in all of that coward-anon. Doubt if you'll hear it though

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Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 16:10:18 (EST)
From: Hmmmmm
Email: None
To: Dermot
Subject: Re: do you think we can take folks
Message:
I don't believe I've whined or made excuses for Maharaji here Derm. I believe I've contained my comments to just how rediculous you folks are. As for being part of humanity, I'm pretty much in the main stream. Quite possibly as much as you are.

Now, why don't you exercise a little discrimination and stop supporting your buddies' whining just because you agree with their POV. Whining is whining and you gotta admit......there's a fuck of a lot of it that goes on here.

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Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 20:09:23 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Hmmmmm
Subject: Get a handle or get lost
Message:
Even Casper has a name, fella. Either abide by the rules or get lost.
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Date: Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 17:40:48 (EST)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Hmmmmm
Subject: But your first paragraph
Message:
was a big whine....followed by some 'positive thinking' spiel.

The way I see it, if you REALLY consider all the info on DECA (and that was the beginning of the personal attack on Cynthia because she raised it), then most people (except for current devotees) would see that it's something to whine about UNTIL it becomes full public knowledge as oppossed to buried in some revisionist file hidden in Maharajis office or somewhere.....

There's a common tactic of trying to deflect historical criticisms (Deca, Jagdeo, Fakiranand etc)into personal attacks on those raising the issues. It is both HEALTHY and POSITIVE for a full perspective of M/DLM/EV history to be aired and examined. It doesn't stop those airing the issues from getting on with a fullfilling life here and now. Far from it.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 20:25:21 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Remember the Victims of Jagdeo...
Message:
That's another of my banners.

Because they, too, are survivors. Remember them the next time you go to see your sweet and loving Goomraji and kiss his feet and put cash in an envelopt.

Remember those little children who were victimized beyond YOUR comprehension because of your little brain. Remember that all the money you donate, through what ever means, even by going to AMAROO!, that you take away dollars that belong to the adult children survivors of JAGDEO's abuse, covered up by Maharaji.

This is not about me, Mr. Roupell Forever. This is about Maharaji and his crimes.

Sincerely,
Cynthia J. Gracie
Vermont, USA And Who are YOU?

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 20:25:16 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Remember the Victims of Jagdeo...
Message:
That's another of my banners.

Because they, too, are survivors. Remember them the next time you go to see your sweet and loving Goomraji and kiss his feet and put cash in an envelopt.

Remember those little children who were victimized beyond YOUR comprehension because of your little brain. Remember that all the money you donate, through what ever means, even by going to AMAROO!, that you take away dollars that belong to the adult children survivors of JAGDEO's abuse, covered up by Maharaji.

This is not about me, Mr. Roupell Forever. This is about Maharaji and his crimes.

Sincerely,
Cynthia J. Gracie
Vermont, USA And Who are YOU?

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 18:59:13 (EST)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Forever
Subject: hello Forever
Message:
You sound like a whole lot of guju-flavoured sweetness and light.

In case you hadn't noticed, 'Forum Janitor's' disgusting and hurtful post to Cynth was similarly 'broadcast for all to see'. At least Cynthia has the moral courage to use her own name - and look where it gets her.

Are you Forum Janitor? Methinks you probably are. In which case, fuck off back to guruland. Bliss out or something. Capiche?

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 11:28:01 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Hey, now you know without a shadow of doubt...
Message:
Dear Cynthia,

At least you know that you did not become like the so called 'people' on LG.

What does LG stand for anyway? Supposedly, Life's Great. I heard it mentioned as Life's Grate here. Well, from what I have observed, visited the site twice, posted once, LG stands for Love's Gone.

You realize, that most of the poster's on LG are internet savy. They have visited EPO, probably here; the forum, Roger's site, and The Truth About Maharaji, to mention a few. You are dealing with the dregs of what once was. The bottom of the barrel. Knowledge and Maharaji was once about knowing and understanding and realizing the Truth. The ultimate love. We all wanted that, who wouldn't? Well, only a retard at this point in time, even without the internet, would not be able to put two and two together. Maharaji is the worst sort of con man and to add fuel to the fodder, he isn't even a decent human being.

So Cynthia, I expected no less from the group, the FA, does that stand for fucking asshole, who used you, without regard, in order to make you shut up! How dare you post true and important information about DECA. Make her go away, throw a knife while I'm at it. I'm used to doing this, after all, I think Maharaji is my Master, He's something special, He shows the real Truth. I do this all the time; Defend someone who has no integrity, no honesty, no regard for others, Maharaji.

No hope there Cynthia. Your work is here. With the careful attention and love that you sprinkle all over here.

You really are a beautiful woman.

We all have scars from Maharaji, that's a fact. Some are deeper than others. Time and distance helps, but a real scar never goes away.

Doubt if this helps, my writing to you. Cyberspace sucks in so many ways. But I do care about you and your feelings. Want me to go and beat that asshole up for you? It wouldn't work because he is a member of LG, Love's Gone. But look at what you could of become. You're not like that.

Your Friend,
Tonette

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 11:52:20 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Re: Hey, now you know without a shadow of doubt...
Message:
Dear Tonette,

I like your new name: Life's Gone. I thought of Life's Grave. Same thing.

Thanks for your support. I have tried not to post there but noticed a post from Ex-Aspirant, (who, btw, got the shit kicked out of them by premies, too) and wanted to give some info and support.

Silly me. As I said below to Janet, the grief over this particular issue has been worked through, but it was like a knife in my heart. I read that post to me and went into the most deep kind of crying. Took me completely off guard.

So, don't waste your time over there either. They are really ignorant and live in theMaharaji's World of Sludge.

You are a wonderful friend to me here, Tonette,
Thanks.
Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:29:15 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: You got a knife allright
Message:
Or a bullet. The wind knocked out of you. But you have the ability to heal and heal you have.

You know Cynthia, one of the most painful aspects of all of this, the forum, the recent ex's who come here, us, the premies who turn a blind eye to all of it, to me, the most painful is: I hate the fact that it's never going to end until Maharaji comes clean. It's not going to be over until the Fat Man Sings! Last I saw he can't even dance, much less sing.

Your sister, spewing His Love, the Truth,
Tonette

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 02:06:36 (EST)
From: CD
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: Hurting here, help please...
Message:
People hurt each other on both sides of this artificial confrontation. I have had sharp words thrown in my direction in the past. In case you are curious, I have no idea who 'Forum Janitor' on LG is. My hope is that words promoting hope and based on the inspiration of good vibes will rise abouve the mean spirited rabble. Keep truckin and don't give up!

CD

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:09:25 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: Come on CD...
Message:
CD,

My hope is that words promoting hope and based on the inspiration of good vibes will rise abouve the mean spirited rabble. Keep truckin and don't give up!

I don't have a truck, so I'll keep on Saabing. I don't mean crying, either.

I don't believe for one second you don't know who made that post to me or who the FA is, either.

Good luck on Life's Gone, the premie forum that lives in Maharaji's World of Sludge.

Cynthia J. Gracie
Vermont, USA

P.S. I won't be back, don't worry. AND KEEP AWAY FROM ME HERE!

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:47:57 (EST)
From: CD
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: Come on CD...
Message:
>I don't believe for one second you don't know who made that post to me or who the FA is, either.

This is where you do have a bit of honest confusion. Confusion in any form isn't going to help you out. Sure I admin LG, but I'm not wasting my time lurking around behind the scenes trying to pick up info to be a snitch or for any other reason.

>Good luck on Life's Gone

Sometimes you can be your own worst enemy!

CD

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 16:31:35 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: I don't want an apology...
Message:
CD,

I don't need an apology from you or whomever you claim you don't know made that post to me. I don't ask for it nor do I need or want it.

The message to me on LG was loud and clear: Don't talk about the truth about Maharaji or you'll get yourself hurt or vaporized or whatever. Fine, I got the message. I am not into self-flagelation.

For your information, I am my life's most avid advocate, not my own worst enemy.

Your characterization of me being in confusion is cult speak, and I won't accept it nor listen to it.

Make your own self-assessments. I make mine very well, thank you.

My only request, which you ignored, is to KEEP AWAY FROM ME HERE.

Got that? Or is that too confusing to you?

Cynthia J. Gracie
Vermont, USA

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:57:03 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: Excuse me, CD
Message:
But as someone who administers this most precious expression of Maharaji and all that He has shown about Life and how Great it is, Shouldn't you MAKE it your business to find out who is the forum janitor or FA who chooses to post to people in the way that he did to Cynthia?

I mean after all your site is a direct reflection of all that is Maharaji's world. Life's Great isn't it? Maharaji's message, front and center. Don't forget, the net never forgets. Can't rewrite history with a simple video.

No, you should get to the bottom of this unless, of course, you're just like him. But I don't get that from you, after all you did kinda try and comfort Cynthia or did you?

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 04:43:41 (EST)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: Really Chris??
Message:
Chris Dickey (forum host of Life's Great): I have no idea who 'Forum Janitor' on LG is.

But you could easily get an idea, if you were really concerned, couldn't you Chris?

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 11:41:16 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Excuse me, doesn't Chris know who.......
Message:
He gave the password to? Who did you give the password to in order to edit posts, Chris Dick; forum host?

Who wrote that to Cynthia? Who is the 'Forum Janitor'? Who has the password?

Well, if you don't know who this guy is, I would say it's time to change the password. You've got a real premie on your hands. Someone not from the 'Knowledge-lite' era, eh?

What he did is far beyond an apology but Cynthia could use one. Me, I would step over him in the street, just like Ralwat would do to me, has done, in fact. What great things Maharaji is making people evolve into, no?

Quit lying.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:54:52 (EST)
From: CD
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Re: Excuse me, doesn't Chris know who.......
Message:
>He gave the password to? Who did you give the password to in order to edit posts
>Quit lying.

Confusion appears to be on a rampage and worse. Its turning into more defamatory flaming against the LG site.

What password? Somebody got it besides me?
Who is editing posts on LG?
Want to fill me in on the details?
Maybe I missed something.

CD

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 12:58:45 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: CD
Subject: Okay, explain it then.
Message:
Who wrote that post to Cynthia?

Don't tell me it was you!

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 19:15:34 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: A known troll used that handle
Message:
Tonette,

It is a handle he borrowed from F-VII to look official. Many people believe it to be David Roupell, for good reasons. It is his style, his tone of voice, and he has been a troll who has picked up on personal information people have shared.

I have seen CD get upset and say some bewildering things in the process but I can not for the life of me believe that he would do something like that. He did try and set it straight, but his loyalty to the identity of premie who posted that, comes first. Sort of understandable, but not understandable is why that is tolerated, at all.

In any case, I think CD should be concerned about that the person is deliberately trying to impersonalte the Forum Admin, don't you think CD? If you invite exes to participate on the forum, than don't you think the other posters should respect that. Why don't you write your policy down on the board so your intentions will understood by all?

I think his apology was sincere, IMHO.

cheers,

deborah, who hopes that helps

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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 10:45:12 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: Yes, got a better idea
Message:
But my posts to CD are still quite valid, they still make perfect sense.

What apology did CD give Cynthia? The 'keep on trucking' post? That wasn't an apology!

But you are right, CD has no intention of snuffing out that troll who wrote to Cynthia. Even while using the FA heading! Much less blocking him/her. His loyality to likes of this 'person' who wrote to Cynthia is quite illuminating into CD's very own character and ethics. Isn't Maharaji great? You too can be just like me! Sad, very, sad.

Warmly,
Tonette

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 13:20:20 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Hey, let's be fair about this
Message:
Who says that CD would automatically know who posted that? Gerry doesn't know who posts what here necessarily, does he? No, he doesn't. He can check ISP's and that's about it, I think. Sometimes that's enough to identify someone, sometimes it isn't. For example, if JHB's ISP is Latvian, one might assume, in certain circumstances, a post might be his seeing as there are no other Latvian posters.

But, having said that, I think CD might indeed know who Forum Janitor is because he can look and the ISP might certainly point to someone he knows. Chris is ineffectual, though. We all know that.

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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 11:11:14 (EST)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: He's not ineffectual, he doesn't give a damn
Message:
So what if the dirt posted to Cynthia was hurtful? The Forum Janitor got her to shut up now didn't he? How dare Cynthia invade his premie forum with some truthful history about M and his cult! That was so long ago and history never repeats itself, now does it?

We are in the Self-Knowledge mode now, there's no devotion. All we are asked is to stay 'in touch' and send money, whoops I mean 'participate'. We are invalid in his mind. Has been's. Didn't make the transition from all the Indian trappings. We're very 'sari,' literally.

But it is very telling to me that Chris would allow that kind of shit to transpire on his forum and not be concerned with tracking down who actually wrote it. And extemely shallow of Chris to come here and post to Cynthia under the guise of an apology with the post that essentially said, 'keep on trucking.' In fact, it's downright offensive but like I said, so very telling of the character and ethics of the premies who still think Maharaji is the valid thing.

Geez Jim, it makes me sick!

Tonette

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 20:10:00 (EST)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: One thing you can rely on
Message:
is me to go and put my foot in it. With the risk of putting both my feet firmly in my mouth, I'll say that any ''man'' who pressures a woman not to have his child, against her own will or wish, ain't a man at all.

So you didn't miss anything by him going. Shit, we've all done things in the past that haunt us. I helped a friend once who wanted to have an abortion. I drove her to the hospital and then a private clinic to have it done. She's childless now and I often think of what might have been if I hadn't taken it upon myself to help her get what she wanted. Even though I wasn't the father, I still think about it.

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 20:36:40 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Re: One thing you can rely on
Message:
is that I won't be going back to LG.

I'm pretty convinced that what upset the forum gods over there were my posts about DECA.

After my last post to catweasal trying to answer his question about DECA, that's when Roupell ripped me open. But that was after several posts by catweasel to me being a Slag Hag, which didn't bother me at all.

It appears that the subject of DECA is a very sore point in the cult, and I will continue when appropriate, to open that can of worms here.

I'm not afraid of them. The only way they know how to protect maharaji now is through hitting below the belt, which in this case, was quite literal for me ;)

Best,
Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 15:51:32 (EST)
From: Francesca :~)
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: The Forum Janitor of LG
Message:
... has been sniffing the Maha's garbage. Although there are some good folks over there, it is not a good place for exes to post. It is a highly polarized environment, and the pole is shifted against you there.

You are honest and a straight shooter. That was ugly stuff to say and serves no purpose other than to hurt.

Friends don't let friends ....

Love,

Francesca

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 20:57:05 (EST)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Francesca :~)
Subject: Re: The Forum Janitor of LG
Message:
Not only has this creep demonstrated who the true 'hate club' is but he's ruined a perfectly good name.

The cheap creep stole the 'Forum Janitor' tag from me and now it's trash.

These jerks can't even be a little original or creative.

I say fuck 'eem, Cynth. Don't let them get you down.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 11:42:42 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: I noticed that too, Gerry...
Message:
Hi Gerry,

I noticed that imitation of 'Forum Janitor' over there and thought, sheesh, what, no imagination?

They got me down for just a short while. I'm up and okay today and ready to rock 'n roll.

I actually tried to answer one of catweasal's questions, which has taught me that it's stupid to talk to someone whose purpose in life is to hurt people in the name of the Living, Walking on the Earth, God-in-a-Bod. And a person who has been a pest around here for years and still uses an alias. True cowardice, but like master like....?

Won't be back there. Nope. I'm not out for being hurt by the likes of those premies who don't know up from down. And they don't know how to communicate anyway so it's futile, IMO.

Thanks Ger,
Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:53:43 (EST)
From: PatC
Email: None
To: Francesca :~)
Subject: LG is filled with a poisonous miasma
Message:
I seldom read or post there. I don't have the stomach for it. Since the day I first read it a year ago I have been allergic to it. The cult stench is overwhelming. Sorry you got burned but it is a warning. It's useless talking over there. Decent premies don't go there. The joint is filled with cultweasels and loopy Lone Rangers. I need a shower just thinking about it.
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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 15:17:22 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Group hug for Cynthia
Message:
Dear Cynthia,

Ironic, isn't it that when you bring forth factual information about a part of our collective past, they accuse you of psychosis and hatred. What that person posted to you is psychotic, sociopathic and most definitely meant to be hateful. Another zealot trying to protect his master from the truth.

Your pain and honesty prompts me to a confession. I got a woman pregnant while we were both ashram residents in Denver. She quietly had an abortion and am not proud of the fact. I regreted it then and today I grieve the loss of what would have been my only child. It's a shame that the natural human attraction and affection she and I felt was made to be BAD by the system we lived within. Yes, it was my choice at the time to be part of that system but today I see what was bad was the system and its instigator, not me.

Group hug and group cry for Cynthia.

Love,
Richard

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 22:33:38 (EST)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Re: and group cry
Message:
dear cynthia and richard:
my sorrow for each of you.
you, Richard, would have made a great, fun, joyful and loving Dad, to a truly amazing kid. If all that I have researched is true, you will have an opportunity to see that soul again when you pass beyond this life and get your Life Review, and you can have the time, joy, and relationship then, that you could not, here, to be with that person.

you too, synthia. and cyn, I want you to know that it was your revelations about what really went on at DECA that handed me the rope i was looking for to sound the death knell to my last shred of hanging on to the notion that maharaji might somehow still be worth defending. The toxic waste disposal and human exposure is what finally did it for me. Thank you. all you did was tell what you saw.

and to both of you, and to anyone else reading, who might have had a passage in their lives, with the agony of making a decision between the news of a coming new human being, and the summary devaluing and negation of that life for the life of maharaji, let me tell you that your going down the road of not having that child was no easier than my going down the road of defiance and making my stand to stay with having the child.
either road was cruel and painful in the world of maharaji.
I recall how all the doors of the community slammed in my face when I made it known that I was finally deciding against having the abortion and had committed to seeing that the baby was going to have its life.
I remember how that choice tore the masks off countless people that I had believed till that hour, were my friends, and showed then for who they were.
I remember Robbie Rucker, himself the father of three and erstwhile philanderer and careless abandoner of his family for underage wastrel girls, that same man, barring me from the Gainesville satsang hall with my toddler son, and threatening to have social services take my son away from me for 'child abuse and neglect' because I would let my son play in the childcare room at times, while i went out and sat in the hall chairs to listen for a few minutes without staying with him.
The same Robbie Rucker from whom the father and I caught crab lice in his filthy motel room while he was doing one of his famous estrangements from Janet and the kids, and shacking up with the youngest naif runaway teenage blonde he could pander to. A paragon of parental virtue, alright...
and you know the rest.

all of which just goes to lay bare the lie, at the core of this obnoxious global club, that purports to cherish the preciousness of life, and in fact cherishes nothing but...vanity.

it's ok, you guys. your unborn kids forgive you. they saw the whole thing, from a much vaster vantage point, and they will be waiting to see you when this life is over.
if my count is not off, I beleive I have several waiting for me, then, too. three, I think. no! wait!--four!
I can't wait to see who they were gonna be.

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 11:36:13 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Thanks Janet...
Message:
Janet,

Thanks for your kind words.

I'm convinced it was the posts about DECA I made over there which caused that particular post to me.

I've been through all of the grieving over that confusing and terrible time (both when it happened and years later when I was more equipped and safe from the cult to let it all out). Yet it seems that the grief over a child, unborn or born, who is lost never really goes away.

That's why when I read the one particular post to me, I felt as if a knife was slashed through my heart. It was piercing and personal.

I'm so glad you told me that what I've posted about DECA helped you come to more clarity about m and the cult. That gives me a lot of satisfaction and hope for others who never knew anything about the infamous project down in the bowels of Hialeah, Florida. It was a slave camp. Many people were hurt much more than I.

Again, thanks and a big hug to you.
Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2002 at 00:00:37 (EST)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Thanks for your kind words, janet
Message:
my sorrow for each of you.
you, Richard, would have made a great, fun, joyful and loving Dad, to a truly amazing kid.

Thanks for that janet. I have no way of knowing what the future holds beyond life as we know it but thanks anyway for your loving thoughts.

I do know that now, without the anesthesia of M&K, the grief I feel at these times actually gives me a greater capacity to share love with those around me.

I'm glad you stood up for your choice to be a mother and best wishes on releasing the wounds you received from misguided zealots.

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 15:37:13 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: I'll take that hug...
Message:
Thank you Richard,

It would have been my only child too. I had to have a hysterectomy when I was 32. I had pretty much decided not to have kids, but at age 32, the bio-clock hadn't run out and the option was still there.

I appreciate your talking about the grief you experienced about what happened in your life. It was so confusing back then. I was told that M didn't approve of abortions, and I had no intention of going through with it. I was so young and gullible and everyone who was grilling me to have the abortion was in a position of power: Maharaji, the father's weathy and prestigious family, and Charanand's advice. I went through the darshan line carrying that child.

Later, on this forum, can't remember when, I heard that at the same time Charanand gave advice to the father of the child for us to both surrender to m and join the ashram, Charanand himself was out having sexual relationships with female premies.

It's a loss that never goes away. I've moved on from it. The shock of that statement to me over on LG just jolted me so much I couldn't believe the cruelty of it.

If I had been told I was psychotic without that other remark, I wouldn't have reacted at all, I probably would have laughed.

Premies hate the truth. I was talking about DECA. Too taboo, I guess.

Life goes on....I'm okay. I took a shower, cried my guts out and feel much better now.

And I thought this was something only women could relate to.

Thanks again, Richard,
Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 17:47:58 (EST)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Contrary advice about abortion
Message:
I got a premie pregnant in 1975, I wanted to keep the child, she had an abortion, I felt terrible, and a premie told me that Maharaji said the baby isn't alive until it's taken its first breath. Until then it's just part of the woman's body. It helped me a little, although I now recognise the advice as a load of bullshit. Did it come from Maharaji? Who can tell?

John.

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:16:52 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Re: Contrary advice about abortion
Message:
I don't know where I heard that Maharaji was against abortions, but I vaguely remember that some premies were having a discussion, long before I had become pregnant, and the information I got was supposedly from an instructor.

Who knows? As you said, it was all a crock of shit.

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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 13:58:45 (EST)
From: Sulla
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: It looks like he is pro...
Message:
I read about it in a M. satsang from EV e-mail last year. I already erased it, but I do remember it. I couldn't believe what I was reading. What was he talking about? I even commented it to some premies and here in the forum. He was talking about 'that breath' and actually saying that a baby is a part of the mother's body until the little one goes out and takes the first breath. This is totally pro abortion. Somebody told me along time ago, no I think I was there, anyway, he said something like this: So you got a problem? Well, Go find a good DR! I understood a dr. to take good care of the baby until it's born, but others understood it as to get an abortion. He wasn't clear again, he was ambiguous, and each person understood it by their principles or conveniences, sometimes out of confusion.
I can feel your pain Cinthia, that's too sad.
Love,
Sulla
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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 14:29:07 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Sulla
Subject: Re: It looks like he is pro...
Message:
Thank you Sulla,

I think he changed his point of view about abortion to suit his needs at whatever particular time he wanted.

I'm okay. It was just a really low blow for me. My honesty comes back to bit me in the butt but I can take it.

It's called honesty.

Again, thanks for your good wishes,
Cynthia

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Date: Thurs, Feb 21, 2002 at 14:54:58 (EST)
From: Sulla
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: And you are also brave.
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 14:45:07 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: You got that right
Message:
Cynth,

Absolutely abhorrent. But then what's new? Sorry you took that one. God!!!!

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 14:37:01 (EST)
From: Nige'n'Moley
Email: nigenmoley@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Cynthia
Subject: Want help? - you got help...
Message:
See you in the playpen.. Nige

Hey Cynth -I know some of how you're hurting. I never had an abortion, but I did have a late miscarriage (21 weeks). Funnily enough (ha, ha, NOT) - on the day the baby would have been born I was feeling really unhappy - only to be told by a premie that I was 'in my head' and shouldn't 'dwell on the past'. This was a 'mother', BTW! - Moley

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 14:55:06 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Nige'n'Moley
Subject: Re: Want help? - you got help...
Message:
I can't even speak right now. I'll be okay, just need to cry it out.

I'll recover. It was a late first trimester abortion that I didn't want to do at all. I thought I was finished with it. I'm pro-choice, for christ's sake.

Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 15:24:26 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Love to you xxxx Moley [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 15:30:47 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: moley@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Moley
Subject: God Cynth - have you edited your post??
Message:
I only just read the details you wrote about Scott Ritter. Jesus!

Cynth - I haven't got any words. Do you want to email? Christ - just sending you love, xxxx
Moley

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 15:41:42 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Moley
Subject: Re: God Cynth - have you edited your post?
Message:
Dear Moley,

Yeah, I did edit it. I had decided a while ago not to post anything about him because of discussions I've had with a mutual friend of ours, a regular poster here, and his attempts to get some EPO information to Scott's family.

I'm okay now. It was a cruel thing, what was posted to me over there.

And they call us a hate club!

Thanks again, Moley,
Love,
Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 16:07:27 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: P.S. TO Moley...
Message:
The part of the post that really got to me, that 'Scott got ridder of me', was hard hitting.

After promising marriage if I had the abortion, two weeks after, he left a note at my apartment and sped away.

But he had no problem after that using me for sex when the urge struck him and I was in love and vulnerable. Then I joined the ashram.

All in the past,

Much love,
Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 17:07:44 (EST)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Sorry you got flamed =(
Message:
Hi Cynthia,

Getting hit with that ugly shit means that you have pushed a serious button. It's so sad that they stooped so low.

I don't know if this will make you feel better, but I had a discussion w/an ex about getting flamed. I commented that some exes don't get flamed/spammed because their posts are flame retardant. Sure, their posts may mean something to exes but they are boring and silly to premies. They just confirm that the exes have problems dealing w/their concepts. But people like you with concentrated posts devoid of fluff, punch craters into their belief system.

Instead of self-evaluation, they attack the poster with bile that has nothing to do with the posts in question. It's their bile, not yours. It's becuase you are effective that you get hit.

Must keep your eyes and heart on the end goal to get through this.

I know what it's like. Maha allowing these thugs to talk to people who dedicated lives (literally), decades of service, is more than I can take some times. I always put the blame squarely on Maha for these times. Always.

Remeber proverb: One forum's ~) is another forum's +)

deborah, who wishes they would apologize this time

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:28:27 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: I don't consider it a flame...
Message:
Hi Deborah,

I wasn't flamed. That person took personal information (which I admittedly have posted about here before) and turned it into a deeply personal assault.

I can handle a flame.

Btw, remember when the 'Please Consider This' website came online?

Roupell posted that Scott Ritter was very pleased with how it turned out. Apparently he had come up with the idea and basic design. John MacGregor also mentioned his name in one of his first posts.

So, I consider this a big lesson learned.

I guess I have to roll with the punches (even the worst kind) because I post with my real name.

I've gotta go now,
Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:48:36 (EST)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: This is your reward for good work, Cynth
Message:
Cynth,

Before I compliment you, I think you're wrong about 'flame'. You were flamed. Let's not quibble.

But, my God, as terrible as Forum Janitor's (David Roupell's?) allusion was it was also just amazingly pathetic. For those who don't know, someone calling themself 'ex-aspirant' had started a thread about how lame the whole sales pitch is and how they, for one, weren't buying it:

I was recently interested in knowledge, but I became very suspicious of the all the strings attached. No one really to told me to, but I had to keep my opinions of the videos programs to myself. In a way I felt very controlled. I had to be very careful to stay in line. The church ladies were the best mentors. Smile and says nothing and look bliss out. Put down all major religions and call the rest cults. Never ever say anything against MJ. Reminded my of the Amway meetings I got sucked into a few times.

I am here because the premies I know are so afraid to really express their doubts. Why do they lack self-confidence? I was told there is no dogma. Then, why all the dogma.

You wrote some typically strong and smart things in response. For Roupell or whoever to call them 'borderline psychotic' is more pathetic than I can say. Is there another word? Come on, there's got to be something. I just can't believe these cult guys. Desperate for some foothold in the argument they'll say anything, anything at all. The scary thing is that he might have actually been meditating on his breath when he wrote that. Too much eh?

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:25:49 (EST)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: I don't consider it a flame...
Message:
Hi Deborah,

I wasn't flamed. That person took personal information (which I have posted about here before) and turned it into a deeply personal assault.

I can handle a flame.

Btw, remember when the 'Please Consider This' website came online?

Roupell posted that Scott Ritter was very pleased with how it turned out. Apparently he had come up with the idea and basic design. John MacGregor also mentioned his name in one of his first posts.

So, I consider this a big lesson learned.

I guess I have to roll with the punches (even the worst kind) because I post with my real name.

I've gotta go now,
Cynthia

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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 18:29:27 (EST)
From: Cynth
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Sorry...double post.. [nt]
Message:
[nt]
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Date: Tues, Feb 19, 2002 at 16:45:08 (EST)
From: Moley
Email: None
To: Cynthia
Subject: Re: P.S. TO Moley...
Message:
Christ! Yeh -it's all in the past. But if you get the feelings back in the present, hang on in there.... there's lotsa love and support for you here xxxx

God. who was that bastard saying that to you on LG?

My late miscarriage was when I was married to a premie. I wanted a baby straight after that, but he wouldn't go along with it (some shit about already having one child and not wanting another). So I had to wait 5 years until he was high enough to have sex without a condom. Net result - I got pregnant and had my last kid. Of course, after the baby arrived she was the apple of his eye - wierd as she would not exist if it were not for me - even wierder that she now lives with him and I am the wanton woman who left him for Nigel. Well, who wouldn't leave some creep who was only into making love twice a year and always preferred some 'psychic' liason with Rawat to real-life love?

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