swami j. suchabanana -:- 4-PART GURU EXPOSE:CHEATANANANDA -:- Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 13:32:37 (EDT)

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 13:32:37 (EDT)
From: swami j. suchabanana
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To: All
Subject: 4-PART GURU EXPOSE:CHEATANANANDA
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SWAMI CHEATANANANDA -- GURU EXPOSE SERIES:

This four-part series appears online at:

r.e. securing a spiritual empire:

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/news/oregonian/guru_day1.frame

r.e. 11 women charge guru with sexual abuse, abuse of power:

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/news/oregonian/guru_day2.frame%00

r.e.the guru money ties :

http://www.hotboards.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=ex-premieforum&id=12946.537843860200

r.e. disciples leave cult:

http://www.hotboards.com/plus/plus.mirage?who=ex-premieforum&id=13679.4548810753502

'I bust my guts out for people who mostly wonder, you know, 'What in the hell happened?' and 'What's that son of a bitch trying to get from me anyway?' Well, the truth of the matter is, I'm after your money. (laughter from audience). Or, I could be after your bodies. (more laughter). -- Chetanananda, during a talk in February 1998

'If you're going to do any kind of deep experiencing . . . the first thing you're going to have to get through is that piece of plastic in your head called the mind. It's just Saran Wrap.' -- Chetanananda, May 11, 1988

Former disciples say the sexual conduct described by the 11 women affected a wider circle of people. 'Now personally I think celibacy is total baloney. In India it's one thing. But here it's something totally different.' -- Chetanananda, April 1992 tape-of-the-month.

'Spiritual growth is about surrender, not about understanding. Whenever that part of you that wants to figure out, or know why, or what for, or so on or so forth, kicks in, kick it out. Kick it out.' -- Chetanananda, in an April 21, 1993, talk

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INTERNET CULT DEBATE
see this website: www.leaving-nityananda-institute.org

On Dec. 21, 2000, an e-mail from an outsider alerted W. to a new Web site, launching a battle that continues. Former members had created the site -- www.leaving-nityananda-institute.org -- that featured an anonymous statement about Chetanananda by 11 people.

'He told us the only thing we had to surrender was our tensions,' the open letter said, 'when in fact we were expected to surrender everything to his program: our families, our girlfriends if we were men, our bodies if we were women . . . our money, our former religious beliefs and morals, and our sense of belonging in the society at large.'

Soon afterward, institute members registered Internet domain names, such as www.leaving-nityananda-institute.com, resembling that of the former members' site, to steer Web surfers their way. The sites accused the former members of using hate-group tactics to incite prejudice and intolerance.

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FEEDBACK LETTERS FROM THE GURU CULT EXPOSE:

I received an email from a friend who had been sharing a series of critical articles about swami chetanananda on the internet and had then read some feedback about the articles. One letter was written by someone who has done 25 years of counselling with survivors of closed groups:

'I found that whenever such a group finds itself being held accountable for its behaviors in the public media, the same denials, in literally the same words, are forthcoming.'

'We never did that, some mistakes were made, we don't do that anymore, these allegations are completely false, anyone is completely free to leave whenever they want; my critics are unspiritual, dedicated to destroying the truth, and their words cannot be given credence, and besides, there are just a few of them, and so on.'

'The people...who criticized the swami's program are neither mean-spirited nor weak personalities. Rather they are strong, intelligent people who in a moment of vulnerability were conned, like any of the rest of us could be.'

A 2nd letter I found on the internet today in response to the series was written by Melanie Rubin, who was a student at the ashram from 1985 to 1998.

Missing the message on quest for spirituality:
07/24/01 by MELANIE RUBIN

'Some people wonder whether I said this to defend Swami Chetanananda or justify my own participation in the community. Actually, I made this statement to address a gap I often perceive when I hear people discussing the ashram. I believe The Oregonian performed a valuable service in publishing the ashram series -- but the issue I hoped to address was largely missing.

Participating in community and having a structure for spiritual development in the ashram exacted an extremely high cost. Still, I think it's important to note that these aspects reflect values our society is desperately seeking and often not finding. I'm concerned that readers will see the ashram story only as something foreign and dangerous -- another example of a weird cult gone wrong -- and not look beyond the sensationalism to consider what relevance this story may have in their own lives.
From the articles, one might conclude that most students came to the ashram to escape a very disturbed past. Although this was true in many cases, my impression was that, overall, these new students were not more damaged than any cross-section of the same socio-economic group, since there's so much emotional, physical and sexual trauma throughout our culture. And many people came to the ashram seeking to meet the healthy human needs we're all after -- such as love, contact, security, fun, feeling special and valued and finding personal meaning.

So many people today feel lonely and disconnected in their families and communities. This happens everywhere -- with the middle school kids I've mentored recently; with friends who have the good jobs, homes, spouses and children often thought of as defining the American dream and with my mother, now a senior citizen struggling to find a place in a society that often overlooks the elderly.

So many people seem confused, wishing for something deeper in their lives, but they're not sure what. The fact that huge crowds came to see the Dalai Lama on his recent visit speaks to me of this craving.

It was the shared experience of community in the ashram that I found valuable -- of living, working, having fun, creating and building together, of having so much common experience over the course of years.

And I believe there is a value in having a life that creates space for inner reflection and spiritual pursuit. In our culture we move faster and faster past each other, trying to keep up with all the demands and information, trying to 'get ahead.' There's not much reinforcement, I find, for taking time every day to sit quietly and explore a deeper source of creativity and connection.
For me, the price of these benefits in the Rudrananda ashram was way too expensive and ultimately did not compensate for the abuse. Even surrounded by many people, I felt lonely because I was taught my questions were unacceptable and that I should not express my true thoughts or feelings. Even with daily meditation, I found it difficult to hear my own inner voice, competing as it was with the voice of the guru who I was told knew better than I did what was good for me.

But, to use an old cliche, I'm hoping readers will not 'throw the baby out with the bathwater.'

The bathwater is abuse on many levels, repression and turning one's power over to any other human being. But the baby is the need each one of us has to find community and a connection to spirit in our lives, however we choose to pursue these values.

I'm hoping readers will see the ashram story as yet another sign, beyond the violence occurring in high schools and the growing use of antidepressants, that we have to find new ways to meet these critical human needs, and, in so doing, begin to heal the disconnection, trauma and loneliness so common around us.'

Peace and lentils,

da lil' swami j. suchabanana

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 16:01:04 (EDT)
From: Disculta
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To: swami j. suchabanana
Subject: Re: 4-PART GURU EXPOSE:CHEATANANANDA
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Thanks Swamiji

I like this letter from Melanie a lot. I wish there were a cooler phrase than the cliche about babies and bathwater, but this is a major thing that I want to communicate almost every time I post.

My experience of life has been that things are very complex. It's not either/or, but both/and, in almost every situation. Sometimes it's right to embrace something as part of oneself rather than objectifying it and resisting it. At other times - perhaps a nanosecond later or perhaps a millimeter further - it's appropriate to objectify the thing and get rid of it or oppose it. And this can change and change. I continually experience that what I resist persists, even to the point of getting into complaining rants about the waiter or the phone company or whatever.

When people first leave a cult, it may be appropriate for them at first to be really negative and totally resist the whole experience in order to free themselves from it. Then there may be a phase where enough of you is out that you can calm down and evaluate a bit more clearly. 'Ah, I attracted this part of it because I was avoiding A or desiring B. This other part really does suck and I'm going to report it to the authorities. This part over here is great and I'm keeping it.' etc.

I never even remotely considered leaving my spiritual path when I left K and MJ. I did find more powerful meditational approaches than K, and I had had it with sitting still and meditating, I think, for life. But I have been continuing my explorations with great enjoyment and thrills ever since I left in 1984. And I also was absolutely determined not to lose the family feeling. In fact, I very quickly upgraded it, getting involved with various loose-knit communities that are so much healthier and more PERSONALLY supportive than a guru gult where all resources go into his psychic or physical coffers.

Just wanted to say this, because I feel that it can hardly be said enough. It's confusing waking up from years of not allowing one's innate wisdom to guide one. The last thing I think people need is to be dragged into a completely oppositional stance and held there by group pressure. It doesn't create the desired freedom to pick through the pieces and create whatever new reality one wants.

I put forth a strong intention for this forum to help people unravel the sensitive edge of their own transitions, with sensitivity, kindness and open-mindedness to all possibilities. Allowance is a really good word, too.

love Katie Darling

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 16:20:51 (EDT)
From: Deborah
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To: Disculta
Subject: Re: **Best of Forum**
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Thank you for your very uplifting post. I absolutely agree on every point you made.

It is one thing to gauge your relationship to Maha when you have not considered the implications. It is completely another thing to accept the circumstances and behave as if nothing happened.

I left around the time that you did and thoroughly enjoyed a growth in my spiritual experience. Slowly but surely I let go memories of Maha and the premies because my life was replaced with the rewarding and challenging experiences of everyday life. And not with a life that revolved around service to Maharaji.

He has gotten to a financial secure postion (assumedly, but knowing EV, maybe not) on the backs of trusting devotees. These were not students. I was a premie.

Releasing the belief system at the root, has indeed been a wicked experience but the rewards are exhilarating.

Premies attracted me to Maharaji, not Maharaji. If it wasn't for some of the sincerely beautiful experiences I would never have stayed.

Thanks again,

Deborah

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Date: Tues, Jul 24, 2001 at 16:01:44 (EDT)
From: Disculta
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To: Disculta
Subject: He he 'guru gult' nt
Message:

agf

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