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what maharaji said -:- friday night dec. 7 96 -:- Fri, Jul 11, 1997 at 23:42:30 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: friday night dec. 7 96 -:- Sat, Jul 12, 1997 at 00:05:36 (EDT)
___like you dont know -:- Re: friday night dec. 7 96 -:- Sat, Jul 12, 1997 at 01:44:07 (EDT)
___Anon -:- Re: friday night dec. 7 96 -:- Sat, Jul 12, 1997 at 10:52:24 (EDT)
___Jim -:- Re: friday night dec. 7 96 -:- Sat, Jul 12, 1997 at 14:52:48 (EDT)
___future target -:- Re: friday night dec. 7 96 -:- Sun, Jul 13, 1997 at 01:50:19 (EDT)
___groveling slug -:- Re: friday night dec. 7 96 -:- Sun, Jul 13, 1997 at 08:46:04 (EDT)

Date: Fri, Jul 11, 1997 at 23:42:30 (EDT)
Poster: what maharaji said
Email: tom
To: Everyone
Subject: friday night dec. 7 96
Message:
When reading this keep in mind he is talking about himself very directly. You may not be used to how he talks about himself but it can sound like he is talking about others but
this is the most revealing confession ever. The most apologetic comment he evermade was in the late 80's and was ' I'll take the blame for what happened til now'.

'just to stop, to stop this nonsense, this game, this russian roulette you play with your head all day long
Do you know what it is like to live in sewage?
I did not live in sewage but I got mighty close to it.
I mean, ohhh, it's, horrible,horrible, the stench, the dirt, the filth, EVERWHERE. It is horrible, and believe me I know you are afraid of sewage, andyou should be.
But, there is another kind of sewage that I know of.
Because sewage, actually, left alone, can sort itself out.
But the human sewage of the mind, there is no bacteria
for it.
The sewage, can be thrown in the ocean,so far it is not in giant quantities, if may be able to perculate and filter itself out. But the human sewage of the mind, there is no ocean that can take that.
Human sewage can be thrown in rivers and it will carry it away. But, the mental sewage, there is no river that will carry it, there is no bacteria that will eat it, there is no leach field that will clean it.
And what is it? That anger, that fear, that doubt, that darkness that the human being is constantly plagued by,
and has placed himself in that place.
To doubt, to doubt where there can be clarity, where there should be clarity, my god, talk about the ultimate sin, here is one.
Where there should be clarity, where there should be light, there resides darkness, now thats a crime, where there should be joy, there is sadness, where there should be clarity, there is doubt.
Where there should be love, there is hate, where the person, should be embracing the moment called now, the person is stuck in yesterday, Where the person should be free, the person is caged, imprisoned.
You know, the bars made out of metal can be cut. And thus a prisoner can escape from a prison, but the bars, of the anger, and the fear, and the doubt, and the darkness,
there is no blade manmade that will cut it.
And it is the prison of the worst kind.
Where there should be conciousness and conciousness has no place.
I'm talking about life, the promise, the possibility in this garden to have spring forever.
I'm talking about to be fulfilled and to know, not just believe, you are fulfilled. Not somebody comes along and says now you are happy, but to be happy because you
ARE happy. Not because somebody comes along and says now you dont have any doubts, but to not have any
doubts because you are SATURATED with clarity.
This is how life should be, and this is how lifecan be, and this is how life MUST be! And do you know why?
Because we are human beings, We are alive, THESE are the gifts that were given to us, by the very thing that put us on the face of the earth.
I cannot ask you to do something that you cannot do,
I cannot ask myself to something that I cannot do,
But to accept the joy in my life has to my priority.
That much, I know.
That much, I understand, I have nnnooooo problem with that, none.
What will be will be. Can I be afraid? Oh yeah, I can paint
a picture for myself that can be frightening.


There is a simple feeling in me that is perfect, It is simple.
When I am in that one place within, I rest, I become me, I become whole, I begin to be in awe of life. My whole world becomes real and I begin to be in awe of each breath I take within me
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Date: Sat, Jul 12, 1997 at 00:05:36 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
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To: what maharaji said
Subject: Re: friday night dec. 7 96
Message:
Thanks Tom!

So those are my options, huh? Either be soooooo saturated with clarity or suffocate in the sewage of my doubts. Hmmmmm, can a I think about it for a few days?
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Date: Sat, Jul 12, 1997 at 01:44:07 (EDT)
Poster: like you dont know
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To: signs of life
Subject: Re: friday night dec. 7 96
Message:
When I first saw that video I felt it was his best ever. seeing him as lord for so long, it's been a real trip snapping out of it. It is frankly amazing that the guy with the knowledge has had that much of a cloud on his shoulders. If he can drop the rest of it he can be of some use. I am presently surrounded by aspirants and half-aspirants. I get calls from premies and one even spent the night last night cause they asked for a ride to the airport to go see guess who in miami. I dont say anything. What do I want? A full time job adjusting peoples illusions? To what? Christianity? I'm glad m is making human type sounds, in the program before this one, he looked up the definition of sincere,and it said 'without pretense or deciet' and he said 'is it possible to live like that?' So he definately was frank at the dec. event and the event on the 8th, he talked about being angry regularly, frequently, and how he has to stay in the feeling or he becomes stupid. His words. As a starry eyed gopi all the honesty finally started crashing my delusions. I saw the videos about the time I came across the website. I know that the knowledge is of great value. In spite of whatever stupid groups claim it is part of thier 'tradition'. If the god would play it's cards right, a lot of the religions and thier stupifying traditions could be left in history and womens opression could be lessened. Dark zealotry and caste systems could be dealt a fatal blow. Slavery in moslem countries surely could go, but oh well! The champion of knowledge is on a huge learning curve and time is passing. I wish him well, and if he hits a stride, I am sure that in the future, well just look at whats-his name-jesus, 17 years of his life just whoops! disappeared! I wonder why they edited those 17 years out? Could he have been on a screwy learning curve? God is involved, so you can count on it. I have plenty of relatives that of course think I'm nuts. He's really great, but that guru trip, sheesh! What do I tell them? Oh. you were right! your christianity is obviously the way to god. or, he's not the lord, but the knowledge is what you want. My friends at least know me and so they want knowledge cause I feel it and they can tell something is worth it. My -ahem- champion, has to saddle up on the lifeforce and stay on the damn thing till clarity does it's job. Is that possible? I just started laughing, I wonder what the actual perspective of the god power is. If I am going to relate to it, besides just feeling it, it would be nice to get a handle on what kind of character do we have here? This conciousness must have some kind of personality. Not just some distant bland power or hideous strength. I think the real conciousness might be cool. Not a religious dork, but an aware power that likes to keep itself under wraps, but is actually , well, like a boy scout! Trustworthy, loyal, helpful,friendly, courteous, kind,obediant?,cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and relavent. I think the obediant part is why it keeps itself under wraps, I am sure it is vulnerable to a living being. But I wont mess with that. That is too tricky and if I start to get close the power is not without defenses and I'll find myself more confused. Best of luck maharaji! what a life you have! Saddle up.
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Date: Sat, Jul 12, 1997 at 10:52:24 (EDT)
Poster: Anon
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To: what maharaji said
Subject: Re: friday night dec. 7 96
Message:
Forgive me if I am missing something but from reading this Satsang (that you have quoted) I don t find it conclusive that Maharaji is talking about himself particularly more than usual. I fail to see it as a revealing confession let alone the most revealing confession .
Presumably you have quoted him verbatim - All I derive from this is as follows, and I challenge anyone to explain how they impute any other meaning to his words. (The plain text is my precis of his words and the parenthesis are my comments and the Italics are of course, his original words)
just to stop, to stop this nonsense, this game, this russian roulette you play with your head all day long
We are playing a nonsensical game of Russian Roulette with our heads. (Our predicament is more serious than we may imagine!)
We should just stop it. (of course)
Do you know what it is like to live in sewage? I did not live in sewage but I got mighty close to it. I mean, ohhh, it's, horrible,horrible, the stench, the dirt, the filth, EVERWHERE. It is horrible, and believe me I know you are afraid of sewage, and you should be. But, there is another kind of sewage that I know of. Because sewage, actually, left alone, can sort itself out. But the human sewage of the mind, there is no bacteria for it. The sewage, can be thrown in the ocean,so far it is not in giant quantities, if may be able to perculate and filter itself out. But the human sewage of the mind, there is no ocean that can take that. Human sewage can be thrown in rivers and it will carry it away. But, the mental sewage, there is no river that will carry it, there is no bacteria that.will eat it, there is no leach field that will clean it.
He did not live in sewage but has been close enough to know it is unpleasant. (presumably this is the bit that suggests to you that Maharaji is talking about his own brush with the Mind- isn t it rather a tenuous link between his words and such a conclusion?)
Sewage is biodegradable.
Mental sewage is not.
(scary stuff, this mental sewage..again his tone alone is probably enough to impress one that there is truly something lurking within to be afraid of)
And what is it? That anger, that fear, that doubt, that darkness that the human being is constantly plagued by, and has placed himself in that place.
He describes mental sewage as a place of anger, fear and doubt where human beings have put themselves. (Arguably anger ,fear and doubt are natural responses and defence mechanisms which thus have their place as a valid and God given part of our human nature- anyway is he saying he has no anger, doubt and fear?)
To doubt, to doubt where there can be clarity, where there should be clarity, my god, talk about the ultimate sin, here is one.
Where there should be clarity, where there should be light, there resides darkness, now that's a crime, where there should be joy, there is sadness, where there should be clarity, there is doubt. Where there should be love, there is hate, where the person, should be embracing the moment called now, the person is stuck in yesterday, Where the person should be free, the person is caged, imprisoned.

It is a sin and a crime that ,where there should be clarity, light, love, joy and living in the present, there is doubt, darkness, hate, sadness and living in the past instead.
(Again, are not doubt, hate and sadness natures warning signals that something is wrong, and/or symptoms of social disease? It is simplistic and not particularily constructive to propose that Maharaji s path of knowledge will wholly address all these problems)
You know, the bars made out of metal can be cut. And thus a prisoner can escape from a prison, but the bars, of the anger, and the fear, and the doubt, and the darkness, there is no blade manmade that will cut it. And it is the prison of the worst kind. Where there should be consciousness and consciousness has no place.
Man cannot extricate himself from the dreadful unconscious prison of his own fear and anger.
(My experience is that we do have tools to extricate ourselves from our fears and psychoses; sure we have a long way to go, but do Premies really display such enlightened behaviour that marks them as being freer than the average person from such afflictions? I think not, and often it would seem that they suffer more fear and anger and arrested development than the average person)
I'm talking about life, the promise, the possibility in this garden to have spring forever.
There can be an eternal spring in this garden of life . (What evidence is there of this? The picture on the front of the Jehovas Witness rag, The Watchtower )
I'm talking about to be fulfiled and to know, not just believe, you are fulfiled. Not somebody comes along and says now you are happy, but to be happy because you ARE happy. Not because somebody comes along and says now you don't have any doubts, but to not have any doubts because you are SATURATED with clarity.
We can be fulfiled through certain knowledge and not just through belief or because we are told that we are happy.
(99.9 % of people naturally prefer to be certain about things! It is general knowledge that beliefs and suggestions are not replacements for subjective experiences )
This is how life should be, and this is how life can be, and this is how life MUST be! And do you know why? Because we are human beings, We are alive, THESE are the gifts that were given to us, by the very thing that put us on the face of the earth.
In our life we should and must be saturated with clarity for this is our heritage as living human beings.
(I agree that clarity is a possibility for us humans but I have experienced from giving Maharajis Knowledge a good try that sometimes the feeling of being saturated with clarity are a rather juvenile delusion.)
I cannot ask you to do something that you cannot do, I cannot ask myself to something that I cannot do,
Maharaji cannot ask us to do something that he can t. Neither can he put impossible demands on himself-
( I suppose Maharaji himself could easily give up relationships with the opposite sex, drink, worldly pursuits etc. and live in the ashram too? Just like he asked me to do. Moreover I suppose he too could happily sit and listen to 5 months of Videos as he currently asks of aspirants)
But to accept the joy in my life has to my priority. That much, I know. That much, I understand, I have nnnooooo problem with that, none.
(Unlike most people?) Maharaji wants joy in his life as a priority.
He has no problem with this.
What will be will be. Can I be afraid? Oh yeah, I can paint a picture for myself that can be frightening.
He too can ( if he will ) paint a picture for himself that is frightening. ( I suppose this is a reference to the fact that we are all capable of being unneccessarily afraid of certain situations that arise in life)
There is a simple feeling in me that is perfect, It is simple. When I am in that one place within, I rest, I become me, I become whole, I begin to be in awe of life. My whole world becomes real and I begin to be in awe of each breath I take within me
When in the place within (that feels simple and perfect) he becomes wholly himself, and is rested. He starts to feel that life is awesome as a result. Additionally, his entire world becomes real (sweeping statement!) and breathing also becomes awesome.
When you take away the confident tone, or feeling with which Maharaji delivers his words one is left with less substance.
Indeed, a lot of what he says is perfectly common sense and of no great news to most people. His over-emphasis on the obvious woes of mankind and the accompanying suggestion that Knowledge alone is the answer to our problems makes little sense to me so far. This is in consideration of the observed effect that he has had on myself and others. Whilst I appreciate the benefits of Meditation, I sense danger in it s teaching being the preserve of one man who considers himself the sole Master of the subject.
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Date: Sat, Jul 12, 1997 at 14:52:48 (EDT)
Poster: Jim
Email:
To: Anon
Subject: Re: friday night dec. 7 96
Message:
I have to agree. Tom, you might be absolutely right in suspecting Maharaji's comments say much about his own self-appraisal but I have to agree with Anon that the revelations are unintentional. Face it, there's no way either Maharaji or any of his apologists would ever admit what your commom sense dictates is obvious. I'm with Anon in that regard. Maharaji's criticising you and me, not himself.

By the way, it's refreshing to see Maharaji use a dictionary for a change. Last time I looked he'd defined 'sincerity' as 'having no doubts'. When you fuck with the language you fuck with the software. N'est-ce pas?

So how come you guys aren't tuning in to the newsgroup instead of this hoary old thing? The only posts there so far are mine and some junk mail. But you know Tom, you're not going to be able to change your tag each time you log in. Does that stifle your creativity a bit, you decidedly 'poetic' ex-premie, you? Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah!
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Date: Sun, Jul 13, 1997 at 01:50:19 (EDT)
Poster: future target
Email:
To: Jim
Subject: Re: friday night dec. 7 96
Message:
Actually, I think you are right. He cant let go of the above us thing. You have been hitting on something else that I think I am finally getting, JW mentioned it very recently in respose to you. As I have been discovering it in my life recently, I am calling it self respect. I feel a thread.
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Date: Sun, Jul 13, 1997 at 08:46:04 (EDT)
Poster: groveling slug
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To: Anon
Subject: Re: friday night dec. 7 96
Message:
Hi Anon
I think it's revealing of how much I valued a small amount of perhaps humility. Would you consider weighing in on the subject of self respect, or whatever, in regardes to my self-respect labeled post that is in another thread.
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