My Email to Elan Vital
A former 'volunteer' employee of EV complains
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Joe -:- My Email to Elan Vital -:- Tues, Sep 12, 2000 at 18:13:13 (GMT)

__ la-ex -:- My Email to Elan Vital/great letter -:- Thurs, Sep 14, 2000 at 03:05:08 (GMT)

__ __ Joe -:- Thanks, and please send an email... -:- Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 00:16:04 (GMT)

__ Joe -:- Another GOD quote from Maharaji -:- Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 23:41:54 (GMT)

__ carol -:- I jumped on the hook to be pulled in by this line -:- Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 15:52:17 (GMT)

__ AJW -:- Great letter Joe -:- Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 14:38:40 (GMT)

__ Susan -:- excellent letter Joe! (nt) -:- Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 14:21:43 (GMT)

__ RobertB -:- Great Letter -:- Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 11:32:59 (GMT)

__ __ Joe -:- Sure, but correct my typos first.....(nt) -:- Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 18:19:20 (GMT)

__ Jim -:- Wonderful letter, Joe -:- Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 04:51:35 (GMT)

__ Nigel -:- Great letter Joe... -:- Tues, Sep 12, 2000 at 19:27:35 (GMT)

Date: Tues, Sep 12, 2000 at 18:13:13 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: My Email to Elan Vital
Message:

September 11, 2000

Dear Elan Vital,

As a former follower of Maharaji, and a former 'volunteer' employee of Elan Vital for many years, I feel the need to complain about the false, misleading and inaccurate statements on your website under the title 'FAQ' (frequently asked questions). As both a former devotee of Maharaji, and a former employee of your organization, I am very concerned about these statements.

Although a number of the answers to the rhetorical questions asked on your website are very misleading one, in particular, regarding whether Maharaji ever said he was the incarnation of god, is downright false and can be proven so through documentation in my posession, and in the posession of many others, which was, in fact, published by Elan Vital.

This false statement is exacerbated by a short video clip of Maharaji himself, in which he also appears to lie, although his statements are so disjointed and it is difficult to tell for sure, although it is clear Elan Vital believes the support the false written statement on the website.

Specifically, you website states the following:

DID MAHARAJI EVER SAY HE WAS GOD?

No, Maharaji never at any time claimed to be God....

If this is true, how do you explain the following quotes? The first is found in Elan Vital's publication, 'And It Is Divine,' published in 1974 under Elan Vital's earlier name, Divine Light Mission. The letter is addressed to readers of the magazine, and contains Maharaji's own signature (Sant Ji Maharaj), and states clearly that Maharaji claims to be the manifestation of the 'Lord of Creation.' The letter says, in pertinent part:

Dear Reader,
...
There has never been a time when the Lord of Creation did not manifest Himself in human form, and come to this planet Earth to do away with evil and spread the True Knowledge. But history is a pendulum which is always in swing. There have been so many scriptures, but still people have never been able to understand Him.

Divine Light Mission wants to bring world peace by sharing the Knowledge which is within us by the grace of Almighty Lord. In this magazine, we hope to give information about the peace which lives within us, which Guru Maharaj Ji reveals.

Sant Ji Maharaj

The second is from a speech Maharaji gave in Essen, Germany on August 31, 1975 and is also published in an Elan Vital publication. Again, in this speech Maharaji clearly claims to be 'the Lord in Physical Body.'

And if there has to be devotee, he has to be in a physical form. A devotee has to devote something. Have you understood now? To devote something, he has to be in a physical form. And where is it possible for him to be in physical form? On the earth. And with whom can he be in the physical form? With the Lord, who is in His physical form ! He has to be with the Physical Lord who has come into this physical world with a Physical Body. Understood.

Third is a speech Maharaji gave in Malibu, California on June 11, 1978, again as published in an Elan Vital magazine. In this speech, Maharaji, without any vagueness whatsoever, claims, as Guru Maharaji which website admits he called himself then, claims to be 'the Lord all powerful.'

In this lifetime, we have the opportunity to realize, to be with GURU MAHARAJ JI. Be it not GURU MAHARAJ JI - You know maybe they didn't call him GURU MAHARAJ JI - Maybe they called him Lord, anything to be with that power. To be with that thing. To be not infinite. And yet to be with the infinite. To be here as individuals. And yet to be able to be next to the person who is everything, GURU MAHARAJ JI. The Lord all powerful.....

Finally, the Elan Vital publication, 'The Living Master', published in 1978, contains the following quote from a speech Maharaji gave in Denver, Colorado, on October 12, 1974. In this speech, Maharaji clearly equates 'Guru Maharaj Ji,' with 'God.'

It's been said that Guru Maharaj Ji comes, or God comes into the world, when there is a decline in religion. God comes, Guru Maharaj Ji comes, and helpsthe world.

Given the overwhelming evidence, and there are many other statements made by Maharaji that add to what is stated above, that Maharaji expicitly and implicitly, for many years, claimed to be the incarnation of God, and given that Elan Vital itself, has produced publications over the years promoting Maharaji's claim to be the incarnation of God including those mentioned above, shouldn't Elan Vital remove the false FAQ and video clip from it's website, just in the name of accuracy, fairness and honesty?

Moreover, given than anyone who wants to do so, including the media, prospective aspirants, and anyone else, can easily research this issue and easily prove both that Elan Vital and Maharaji to be lying on the Elan Vital website, isn't it in the credibility interests of both Elan Vital and Maharaji to come clean with the truth, and end the cycle of lying?

Joe Whalen
San Francisco, California

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Date: Thurs, Sep 14, 2000 at 03:05:08 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: My Email to Elan Vital/great letter
Message:

Joe-great letter.I have been thinking about doing something very similar,and your letter was great.I like the fact that your tone was professional, rather than angry,but you still got the point across quite clearly.
I think we can all gain by addressing letters to EV in the same manner-I think we can get the point across and cause them great embarrassment without playing into their assertion that anyone who criticizes m is either angry or a wacko..
Great job!
LA-EX

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Date: Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 00:16:04 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: Thanks, and please send an email...
Message:

There is a place on the Elan Vital website for 'feedback' and one of the categories of 'feedback' is the website. I think if they get more emails (which you should also reprint here), it would have an effect.

I know you are somebody who has been involved in Elan Vital for many years. You as much as anyone, has a right to comment on the dishonesty and revisionism that Elan Vital and Maharaji are engaging in. To me, it's insulting to people who used to be a part of the organization, like they couldn't care less that it insults a period of our lives.

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Date: Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 23:41:54 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Another GOD quote from Maharaji
Message:

Dear Elan Vital,

In a folluw-up to my email of September 11, 2000, I also wanted to point out that not only did Maharaji directly claim to be the incarnation of God on numerous occasions as recorded in your organization's own publications, he also directly compared himself to Krishna and Jesus Christ, who are widely believed to also have been the incarnation of God. In fact, in the following quote taken from The Divine Times of February 15, 1973, a publication of Elan Vital, he does both. He compares himself to both Jesus and Krishna and also directly claims to be God.

He does this by sayint that Jesus and Krishna revealed knowledge, that God comes to reveal knowledge and that HE is revealing knowledge. The only possible conclusion is that Maharaji is claiming to be the incarnation of God.

So, again, I ask that you remove both the answer to the FAQ, as well as the video clip of Maharaji himself, because they both contain knowingly false statements on this issue.

Who is Guru Maharaj Ji?

I have not come to establish a new religion or sect, but I have come to give you Knowledge of Truth. If you come to me with a guileless heart you will surely receive this most ancient spiritual Knowledge, which, if practised upon, will give us perfect peace of mind.

Jesus gave us this Knowledge, Krishna gave us this Knowledge, but now we must look again for a new Master to show us the light. The sun comes and goes away but we don't look for the light of day which has just gone. We look for the new rising sun. The sun is there, but it rises in a new beautiful way, and we look for that. In the same way, God is the same, but now we look for him to come, in a new way, to give this Knowledge.

Joe Whalen
San Francisco, California

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Date: Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 15:52:17 (GMT)
From: carol
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: I jumped on the hook to be pulled in by this line
Message:

And now, when I can no longer believe in the fairytale, I too feel deceived. It still hurts me to let it go, but I am doing it as fast as I can!

I hate organizations that speak for leaders. I want to hear from him. (I also wrote a letter that I asked you to help me send to M last winter. Don't know what happened...probably nothing.)

Thankyou for doing this,Joe.

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Date: Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 14:38:40 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Great letter Joe
Message:

Hi Joe,

Hope all is well over the pond with you and yours.

What a great letter you sent them. It's incredible how they try to pretend the past never happened.

I'm still waiting for a reply to the response I sent them a few weeks ago.

Writing to them is a bit like writing to a nine-year old of average intelligence. They're stuck in the 'Concrete Operational' stage of development, as Piaget described it. Ie, they have difficulty stringing more than two consecutive thoughts together and find it very difficult to answer a question that requires an answer of more than a couple of words.

And don't forget that it's the cults intellectual elite who we're dealing with.

It's not a fair fight really. They should give us a handicap.

Anth the three syllabu silla sylabul slibab syllabu ah fuck it.

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Date: Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 14:21:43 (GMT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: excellent letter Joe! (nt)
Message:

nt

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Date: Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 11:32:59 (GMT)
From: RobertB
Email: bobb@wintelsolutions.com
To: Joe
Subject: Great Letter
Message:

Thanks, this is my one great objection. I always thought GMJ was flawed, but I thought I could trust him. That he loved us. But he is a liar.

Joe, can I forward a copy of your letter to a friend of mine (he is a TV reporter)? Thanks again.

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Date: Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 18:19:20 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: RobertB
Subject: Sure, but correct my typos first.....(nt)
Message:

nt

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Date: Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 04:51:35 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Wonderful letter, Joe
Message:

Couldn't be said better. Let us know (as I know you will) when you get your money back.

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Date: Tues, Sep 12, 2000 at 19:27:35 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Joe
Subject: Great letter Joe...
Message:

It will be interesting to see what happens. My prediction: you will receive no reply (and what could they possibly say in the face of your overwhelming evidence?) but there will follow some subtle tweaking of the FAQ's. EV will find an ambiguous form of words where Maharaji never claimed to be God 'in the western sense of the word'. Maybe some waffle about 'legitimate eastern traditions where it is believed the advanced spiritual Master may be revered in a God-like manner, since it is through the Master's teachings that a student comes to understand the nature of the divine'

Or they'll say 'Sorry, we lied...'

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