Jim's Email to Joan Apter
Is Maharaji just one of a series of 'teachers, mentors and inspirations'?
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Jim -:- My email to Joan Apter -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 21:09:11 (GMT)

__ Joe -:- Well Done, Jim and more on Joan Apter.... -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:35:44 (GMT)

__ JohnT -:- Your email to Joan Apter ... -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 09:41:45 (GMT)

__ Rob -:- The Joan Apter Story - Director's Cut -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 01:00:29 (GMT)

__ Steve Quint -:- My opionion on satsang -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:19:13 (GMT)

__ Selene -:- thank you for helping me with a memory -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 23:52:11 (GMT)

__ __ Scott T. -:- thank you for helping me with a memory -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 14:13:45 (GMT)

__ __ __ Selene -:- hahaha good one -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 17:38:38 (GMT)

__ __ la-ex -:- Great post,nice manner...think she'll respond? -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:28:49 (GMT)

__ __ __ bill -:- Great post,nice manner...think she'll respond? -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 01:16:56 (GMT)

__ Rick -:- You're a genius at this stuff (nt) -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 21:39:45 (GMT)

__ __ jaet -:- good until the 'pack of lies' part -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 22:09:14 (GMT)

__ __ __ Jim -:- Well I said 'it seems', didn't I? (nt) -:- Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 22:54:03 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ Steven Quint -:- What the hell does 'hhhhhhh' mean? -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:22:46 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ cq -:- That wasn't any secret language, Steve, this is -:- Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 19:06:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- What the hell does 'hhhhhhh' mean? -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:29:18 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ blubber -:- It's short for 'hahahahahaha' -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 02:23:08 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Steven Quint -:- Get A Brain -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 04:33:12 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ janet -:- try it:type only in the subject line and see -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 11:22:51 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Steve Quint -:- try it:type only in the subject line and see -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 13:20:01 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- and do not take notice of blubber.........nt -:- Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 11:49:35 (GMT)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ blubber -:- Get Another hobby-nt-hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh -:- Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 20:14:03 (GMT)

Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 21:09:11 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: My email to Joan Apter
Message:

Dear Joan,

I'm the ex-premie who called you this past summer to discuss Maharaji. Do you remember? You were busy getting ready for a dinner party but were able to graciously give me about ten minutes of your time nonetheless. As I I explained, I called you because I thought your high profile in the cult, indeed your status as a 'Super Premie' if you will, made your opinion about Maharaji inherently interesting to someone like me who'd never been more than a rank and file ashram premie.

You seemed somewhat bemused by my call. It was as if there was nothing to discuss, you certainly had no regrets or issues to resolve. As for my 'ex-ness', your advice (unsolicited) was to leave the past behind and simply get on with my life. If I wanted to follow Maharaji, fine. If not, that was cool too. But to try to understand, discuss or analyze the whole phenomenon, forget it, you weren't interested. Instead, you urged me to avoid 'victim consciousness', something that's apparently never plagued you. After all, like I said, you had no regrets.

I have to say that you were more than civil on the phone. Really, it's not as if you even know me and you WERE busy, I'm sure. In that respect, I have no complaints.

What does bother me, though, is that you personally seem to have engaged in some of the very revisionism I was objecting to when we spoke. I have in mind your recent entry in 'Perspectives' section of Elan Vital's website:

When I talk about Maharaji and the gift of Knowledge that he gave me, I always use the analogy of my treasured pearl necklace, each pearl being a person who has brought huge value to my life. These are the teachers, mentors and inspirations who have helped me identify important areas of my life that were still unexplored. When I meet these people, something clicks. Maharaji is a rare Tahitian pearl on that necklace of great gifts in my life.
I met Maharaji at the end of 1969. I was a hippie wanderer, traveling overland to India. I had a keen awareness of 'something missing', but would not have been able to tell you what was missing. I was not searching for a spiritual master or a technique of meditation. It was not until I met Maharaji and heard him speak that I began to feel pieces of the puzzle fall into place. It all started when I heard him address his huge audience as 'dear seekers of truth.'

Maharaji spoke to the importance of having a practical connection to a part of myself that is connected to…… whatever I call that life-force that is keeping me alive. His message shocked me because it was so different. This was not an intellectual pursuit. This was not a lifestyle. This was not an external practice, like rosaries or mantras. This was an offer to learn the 'how to' of practicing an inner focus on a daily basis.

The other thing that fit me perfectly about Maharaji's message was that he was not just offering a 'how to' and then leaving me on my own. I definitely needed support to be able to shift from a purely external focus to a more balanced menu, which included internal nourishment. Maharaji helped me see things differently, and opened up new possibilities in my life. I loved spending time with him, my heart bursting with the joy of what I was discovering!

I wouldn't call myself a disciplined person. I am an emotional person; more comfortable following my heart than making an action plan to make my dreams come true. This is another reason a competent teacher is such a treasure in my life. He reminds me where the rubber meets the road. If I really want a life where I feel a connection to something that I can always count on, then it is up to me to organize my life accordingly.

I call the time I practice Knowledge my 'quiet time.' It's the necessary break-time in my life that is increasingly filled with places to go, people to see, and things to do. I feel sincerely fortunate that Maharaji has offered me a method to find that quiet place, one that works for me.

I wouldn't say it's easy to practice Knowledge. It's daunting to be aware of the motor mouth of the mind. But it is simple. Even I can do it. The rewards? Maybe just that little inch of separation between my worries and me, which makes a huge difference in my life!

Joan, with all due respect, this account of how you got involved with Maharaji and who he is to you flies in the face of your earlier such account in the book 'Who Is Guru Maharaj Ji?' In fact, Joan, this seems to be the very kind of revisionism I was complaining about.

For example, whereas you earlier wrote:

This is a testimony. But really, without exaggerating, it is a scripture, for I have been graced and the Living Lord has found me, and so my experiences with Guru Maharaj Ji are the eternal experiences written by every soul in the past and will be written by every soul in the future who meets the embodiment of truth, pure consciousness, and bliss, receives his Knowledge, and lives under his universal shelter.

today, Maharaji, you suggest, is just one of a series of 'teachers, mentors and inspirations who have helped me identify important areas of my life that were still unexplored.'

See the difference? See my problem?

Even more troubling, in my opinion, is the discrepancy between your accounts of what you were doing in India at the time, how you came to Maharaji in the first place and how he initially impressed you. On EV's site, you say that you weren't 'looking for a spiritual teacher or meditation technique'. However, in the book, you explain, in great detail, how completely obsessed you were, then, with spirituality:

I had been walking from ashram to ashram, weeping quite a lot, reading scriptures and mourning.

Indeed, you detail the excruciating, perhaps even life-threatening spiritual malaise you were suffering and your desparation to find some relief. Your story is nothing if not the story of a young woman preoccupied with spirituality and relentlessly searching for spiritual guidance. It sounds like you haven't looked at what you wrote for the book in quite a while. Perhaps it's worth another look when you get a chance. After all, they're your words, not mine.

The disparity that struck me the most, however, in the two stories is how you deal with coming upon Maharaji and how he first impressed you. What you wrote for EV:

It was not until I met Maharaji and heard him speak that I began to feel pieces of the puzzle fall into place. It all started when I heard him address his huge audience as 'dear seekers of truth.'

is entirely at odds with what's in the book. There, a series of different 'spiritual seekers' including one of Maharaji's own mahatmas, tell you about Maharaji over a course of many months. Your interest is piqued a little further with each encounter. Then, after suffering what sounds like a severe emotional breakdown, you finally get packed off to see Maharaji with a letter of introduction from his mahatma stating that you 'would die' if you didn't get Knowledge. Finally, you arrive and are such a basket-case that you can do more than huddle, frightened, on his front lawn watching everyone else prostrate at his feet.

The point is, Joan, like everything else in Maharaji's world, your account for EV seems to be no more than a whitewash, a pack of lies tailored to sidestep the true nature of this cult. Here's how you ended your entry for EV:

I wouldn't say it's easy to practice Knowledge. It's daunting to be aware of the motor mouth of the mind. But it is simple. Even I can do it. The rewards? Maybe just that little inch of separation between my worries and me, which makes a huge difference in my life!

And here's how you ended your entry for the book:

Guru Maharaj Ji is pure and perfect. We can experience this purity and this perfection only from the divine manifestation of the soul, the Perfect Master. When I understood that Knowledge was the way that I could be constantly connected to him, internally and externally, I begged for Knowledge. And he gave me that entrance into the kingdom of heaven.

See my problem, Joan? Think about it.

Anyway, I should let you know that you've been the subject of some discussion over on the ex-premie forum:

http://www.ex-premie.org/forum5/main.cgi

Many people there think that you, personally, should be accountable for the part you played in rallying the troops. I, for one, think that, while that may be true, the real issue for you must be one of honesty. Wouldn't you like to come clean with your past, etc. etc.?

Trial by fire, Joan. It's the only way.

I'd add more but I'm running late for a wedding!

Sincerely,

Jim Heller


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Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 20:35:44 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Well Done, Jim and more on Joan Apter....
Message:

I got a copy of 'Who is Guru Maharaj Ji' for $2 on Ebay a couple of months ago, but it kind of makes me nauseous to read it, but thanks for that.

One thing I wanted to point out about Joan that we might add to the questions to her. I'll have to say, I didn't know Joan well at all, but in the interactions I had with her, I kind of liked her. I also liked it when she gave satsang because she was energetic and entertaining and most other satsang, especially Maharaji's, was boring to the point of being lethal and since we were supposed to 'never delay in attending satsang,' Joan at least helped me stay awake.

But, in addition to her major role as cult-cheerleader, it should be pointed out that Joan also openly encouraged premies to go into debt to give money to Maharaji and I think she considered this part of her job, although I don't think it's on her current resume.

When I worked at IHQ in 1979, I was given the job partly to look at cult businesses and try to help develop them, and this kind of morphed into Jim Hession coming to my office trying to get me to locate premies with money to give to the Boeing 707 plane project. This was a never-ending operation -- raising money.

Anyway, in the Elan Vital headquarter's files I found a memo written to Elan Vital headquarters by Joan Apter in about 1972. It was a report from Joan about her tour of the East Coast, Boston, New York and Philadelphia, the purpose of which was fundraising for Maharaji. In addition to telling premies to fork over whatever they had, including to sell belongings, Joan came up with the idea of telling the premies to take out personal loans and to donate that money. (If you can believe it, this was before the proliferation of credit cards so Joan told the premies how to go out and borrow money from banks and loan companies.)

In her report, Joan said she found out that a bank would give an unsecured loan to a person with a job of, I think, $500 or $1,000 and that it would take 1-2 days. At her fundraising pitches, she got committments from people to take out the loans, and then she hung around and collected the money. She raved in the memo about how successful the fundraising was.

I wonder how many of those loans defaulted, how much Joan raised, and how this also squares with Joan's new position, that 'knoaledge' isn't about anything other than an 'connection inside.'

Also, I wonder how Joan got the idea that knowledge isn't 'an external practice,' especially since I personally heard Joan on numerous occasions get up in front of thousands of people and cajole them to 'practice' meditation, satsang and service, which, according to Joan back then, was necessary to have the experience of knowledge.

My question to Joan would be: when did you and/or Maharaji, change your mind about this?

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Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 09:41:45 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: jtucker@dircon.co.uk
To: Jim
Subject: Your email to Joan Apter ...
Message:

... is posted on the web at
http://www.jtucker.dircon.co.uk/JoansPearl.html

Hope that's OK.

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Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 01:00:29 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: The Joan Apter Story - Director's Cut
Message:

Even more troubling, in my opinion, is the discrepancy between your accounts of what you were doing in India at the time, how you came to Maharaji in the first place and how he initially impressed you. On EV's site, you say that you weren't 'looking for a spiritual teacher or meditation technique'. However, in the book, you explain, in great detail, how completely obsessed you were, then, with spirituality

Joan gives us yet another version in the 1996 broadsheet 'Divine Times - Special Edition'


My introduction to Maharaji was in a restaurant in Afghanistan, back in 1970, when Sandy Collier wrote his Dehradun, India address in my address book. Sandy and her companion Ron Geaves, were on their way overland back to London, after having met Maharaji and received the techniques of Knowledge. Of course, I just filed this impression away and continued my overland journey to India.

I was 22 years old. I had left America when I was 20 and set out on my odyssey which would, three years later, end me up in India, at the doorstep of Maharaji's home in Dehradun. There was tons of synchronicity in the story. Not only meeting Sandy and Ron, but during my travels in India I kept bumping into 'sages' who would tell me in their consultations with me that I would find what I was looking for in Dehradun.

Finally, my travels landed me in the lower Himalayan village of Bageshwar. I was on my way to Lake Mansorovar in Tibet, but the Chinese occupation stopped me in Bageshwar. There, in a temple one rainy day, a strange saddhu opened up his metal suitcase, pulled out a poster of Maharaji in shining crown and red velvet coat, and said I should go to Dehradun.

Well, I may be crazy, but I'm not dumb. This time I went, straight away. I landed on Maharaji's front porch with a letter of introduction the saddhu had given me (he turned out to be one of Maharaji's travelling instructors).

I waited for Maharaji to come home from St. Joseph's Academy, where he was attending 5th grade. He was 12 years old. I was extremely nervous, and wanted to run out the gate. Finally a car came screeching into the gravel driveway. Everyone who was standing around hit the dirt, so I figured it was Maharaji. A blue-jacketed figure went dashing in the door.

Soon, Maharaji appeared, having changed into his white kurta and pajama outfit I came to love so well. He sat down in front of me and asked, 'What do you want?' My answer was what seemed like an infinity of crying. While I wept, Maharaji listened. I really felt I was telling him my whole story in tears, and that he was listening. Finally, when I subsided, he said, 'Ok. Your room is up there. Take rest and we will talk more later.' And off he went back inside the residence.

So began my one month stay with Maharaji. In that time I had the chance to talk with Maharaji almost every day on the porch after he came back from school. I argued and argued. Maharaji loved and loved. Finally, I was melted, and began to feel optimism and hope re-enter my life.

It goes on, becoming mushier by the word, but do let me know if you want the rest.

What a fun little newspaper that is. Jim let me know if you want to borrow it and I'll mail it to you.

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Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:19:13 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Jim
Subject: My opionion on satsang
Message:

I have to remember not to mix beer and ice cream again while an active reader of this site. Keep your stomach and mind healthy is the rule here.

Steve

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Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 23:52:11 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: thank you for helping me with a memory
Message:

Thank you Jim for that post.
I thought I'd add a story. In my long journey after the 70's to get a career I worked during school at the only vegetarian restaurant at the time, as a waitress. I was awful!!

If you think my typos are bad imagine me keeping all the subsitutions straight. 'we want the lemon snapper special but we want tofu instead of fish. And could we have; and I am on a blah blah restricted diet so can you...'

The point of this story is the owner
She was very sweet and young and did a great job. She stayed with me even though I could not find my way around a champagne/harp sunday brunch or a regular day for that matter.

One time she confided in me she wanted to fire me but she could not because I wasn't like most of the premies that worked for her.
she had made a trip to India. She traveled around all the places Joan A. mentioned and was also told to seek the Maharaji, the boy guru. And to stay in the company of his followers.
She was smart I guess because she never did go for it even though she did hire a lot of premies and put up with their constant absences to attend darshan of their lord, but she watched and did NOT become a premie.
I've always wondered what kept her away but I'll never know.

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Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 14:13:45 (GMT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: Selene
Subject: thank you for helping me with a memory
Message:

Selene:

Re:

She traveled around all the places Joan A. mentioned and was also told to seek the Maharaji, the boy guru. And to stay in the company of his followers.
She was smart I guess because she never did go for it even though she did hire a lot of premies and put up with their constant absences to attend darshan of their lord, but she watched and did NOT become a premie.

versus:

There, in a temple one rainy day, a strange saddhu opened up his metal suitcase, pulled out a poster of Maharaji in shining crown and red velvet coat, and said I should go to Dehradun.

Well, I may be crazy, but I'm not dumb.

A stranger pulls out a promotional poster of someone you've never seen, and tells you to go somewhere you've never been, and you consider it 'not dumb' to blindly do what you're told. No wonder people believe in crop circles.

--Scott

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Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 17:38:38 (GMT)
From: Selene
Email: None
To: Scott T.
Subject: hahaha good one
Message:

but,,, you do not believe in crop circles? I'm shocked :)

The thing that really impressed me was she spent years around premies and kept her wits about her. I wish I had that kind of common sense back then.

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Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:28:49 (GMT)
From: la-ex
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Great post,nice manner...think she'll respond?
Message:

Jim-I think you worded that e-mail to Joan nicely; challenging, a bit confronting, but definitely in the spirit of principled discussion about important things in the past.

I hope she responds, and I hope she reads some of MD's recent posts.

However, if she ever chose to be open and answer questions like MD has been, I think there would be an avalanche of questions for Joan that would be VERY confronting for her, as she was always one of the main cheerleaders for the lord, and seems to be one of the current 'revisionists'....

It would be very, very confronting for her to examine her role in this whole mess, and she has generally shown no interest in getting too real, or caring anything about other people...

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Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 01:16:56 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: la-ex
Subject: Great post,nice manner...think she'll respond?
Message:

It'll be tough enough for her to face the facts about her and him.
The issue of other premies (and now ex) and her will be easy in camparison.

Good work St James.

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Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 21:39:45 (GMT)
From: Rick
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You're a genius at this stuff (nt)
Message:

nt

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Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 22:09:14 (GMT)
From: jaet
Email: None
To: jim
Subject: good until the 'pack of lies' part
Message:

ya gotta watch that loss of control, jim. it crosses the line from questioning to accusation.

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Date: Sat, Oct 28, 2000 at 22:54:03 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: jaet
Subject: Well I said 'it seems', didn't I? (nt)
Message:

hhhhhhh

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Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:22:46 (GMT)
From: Steven Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: Jim
Subject: What the hell does 'hhhhhhh' mean?
Message:

What does 'hhhhhhh' and all those other 'cute' letter repetions mean? I feel that I'm missing out on some secret language.

Steve

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Date: Tues, Oct 31, 2000 at 19:06:08 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Steven Quint
Subject: That wasn't any secret language, Steve, this is
Message:

Found the following at http://4chatroom.4anything.com/network-frame/0,1855,2282-39855,00.html

Hope they're useful for reference.

Me? I prefer English.

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The following abbreviations are commonly used on server lists and in chat rooms:

AFAIK as far as I know
AFK away from keyboard
AKA Also Known As
ASAP as soon as possible
BBL be back later
BBS be back soon
BEG big evil grin
BF boy friend
BRB be right back
BTW by the way
BWL bursting with laughter
C&G chuckle and grin
CID crying in disgrace
CNP continue in next post
CSG chuckle snicker grin
CYA see ya
CYAL8R see ya later
DLTBBB don't let the bed bugs bite
EG evil grin
EMSG email message
FAQ Frequently Asked Questions
FUBAR F***ed Up Beyond All Repair
FWIW For What It's Worth
FYI for your information
GF girl friend
GFN gone for now
GMBO giggling my butt off
GMTA great minds think alike
GTSY glad to see you
H&K hug and kiss
HAGN have a good night
HAG1 have a good one
HHIS hanging head in shame
IC I see
IYKWIM If You Know What I Mean
IGP I gotta pee
IMO in my opinion
IMHO in my humble opinion
IRL in real life
IWALY I will always love you
JK just kidding
JMO just my opinion
JTLYK just to let you know
KIT keep in touch
KMA kiss my a$$
KMB kiss my butt
KOTC kiss on the cheek
KOTL kiss on the lips
L8R later
L8R G8R later gator
LHM Lord help me
LHU Lord help us
LMAO laughing my a$$ off
LMBO laughing my butt off
LMHO laughing my head off
LOL laughing out loud
LSHMBB laughing so hard my belly is bouncing
LSHMBH laughing so hard my belly hurts
LTNS long time no see
LTS laughing to self
LUWAMH love you with all my heart
LY love ya
NETUA Nobody ever tells us anything
NTA Non-Technical Acronym
OBTW Oh, by the way
OIC oh, I see
OK abbreviation of oll korrect (all correct)
OL old lady(wife, girlfriend)
OM old man(husband, boyfriend)
OTOH On The Other Hand
OTTOMH off the top of my head
PDS please don't shoot
PM private message
PMJI Pardon My Jumping In (Another way for PMFJI)
PMFJI pardon me for jumping in
PMP peed my pants
POAHF put on a happy face
POOF I have left the chat
PS Post Script
QSL reply
QSO conversation
QT cutie
RE Hi Again (same as re's)
ROFL rolling on floor laughing
ROFLAPMP ...and peed my pants
ROFLMAO ...my a$$ off
ROFLMAOAY ......at you
ROFLMAOWTIME .......with tears in my eyes
ROFLUTS ...unable to speak
ROTFL Roll on The Floor Laughing
RTF Read The FAQ
RTFM Read The F****** Manual
(The above is the original, it was later
modified to:
Read The Fine Manual)
RTSM read the stupid manual
SETE smiling ear to ear
SHID slaps head in disgust
SNAFU Situation Normal, All F***ed Up
SO significant other
SOHF Sense Of Humor Failure
SPAM Stupid Persons' AdvertiseMent
SWAK sealed with a kiss
SWL screaming with laghter
SYS see you soon
TA thanks again
TIA Thanks In Advance
TOY thinking of you
TPTB The Powers That Be
TTFN ta ta for now
TTYL talk to you later
TX Thanx
WB welcome back
WRT With Respect To
WTF What/Who The F***?
WTH what/who the heck?
WYSIWYG What You See Is What You Get
YBS you'll be sorry
YG young gentleman
YL young lady
YM young man
YMMV Your Mileage May Vary
YWIA You're welcome in advance
*G* giggle or grin
*H* hug
*K* kiss
*S* Sob
*W* wink

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Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 00:29:18 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Steven Quint
Subject: What the hell does 'hhhhhhh' mean?
Message:

When you write nt at the end of your post. It means no text. But you can not display the post with the the message being blank. So people put all sort of things in the message box to get over this. It's like having a hangup after mixing ice cream with beer.

I better get ready for my first encounter with blubber. Catch up with you latter.

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Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 02:23:08 (GMT)
From: blubber
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: It's short for 'hahahahahaha'
Message:

sdthhwth

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Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 04:33:12 (GMT)
From: Steven Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: blubber
Subject: Get A Brain
Message:

Where's the dictionary for this shit, or are you guys just trying to mind-fuck. Don't you think we at ex-premie.org have had enough mind-fucking for a hundred lifetimes or so.

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Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 11:22:51 (GMT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Steven Quint
Subject: try it:type only in the subject line and see
Message:

honestly steven...pay attention when we answer you! quit bitching and learn how things work. not everything is in the damned dictionary!

once again-- since you did'nt get it, the first time:

this forum has a code written for how it will accept posts. it expects something to be written in each empty box it provides you. if it does not find text in the boxes, it has been programmed to refuse to go to the next screen, until there is something put in each box provided. This was done so that you would not inadvertently overlook anything you meant to include. unfortunately, the code does not have a provision for a posting in which the writer gets all they want to say, to fit in the subject line, and therefore does not need to write in the text box. this is a no-text (NT) posting.when you go to send the posting to the board, the code checks your entry for omissions, mistakes and corrections, and upon finding a field blank, will stop the screen with a warning popup that tells you what it found in error. You know that it is not an error. you know that you have composed it the way you meant to. but the forum server is not that smart. it discovers that no text was entered in the box provided and will not go forward until it gets something in that field. so you hit a few random keys and shut it up. it doesnt care what they are. its happy as long as it finds anything there. the person writing may have something in mind or they may not. there is no mind fuck going on.this is simply the reality of dealing with the limits of the internet. listen, learn a few things, and put your dictonary away.

books only try to follow life. life does not follow any book

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Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 13:20:01 (GMT)
From: Steve Quint
Email: sequint@home.com
To: janet
Subject: try it:type only in the subject line and see
Message:

Try English lessons. I don't understand a word you're saying.

Steve

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Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2000 at 11:49:35 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: and do not take notice of blubber.........nt
Message:

nt

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Date: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 at 20:14:03 (GMT)
From: blubber
Email: None
To: Steven Quint
Subject: Get Another hobby-nt-hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Message:

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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