Date: Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 17:52:13 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: Way Subject: Response from Patrick Halley - part 2 Message:

You see, John Travolta is a Scientologist, and these people are also deluded and exploited...yet, I figure they probably have some viable lessons or methods that could SHARE if they were a true religion. The only reason I pied Guru Maharaji, as opposed to another religious figure was timing. He happened to be coming to Detroit to get 'Ket to the City' while I was involved in the Underground Press. So if you combine political activism with my 'mystical' background (along with the fact that I had been doing theatre and performace art as well) you can see that this poor 16 year old was in the wrong place at the wrong time. A few years later, when interviewed by Detroit Free Press in a followup article, I was asked if there was anyone else I would pie, and I mentioned the Pope. (I got a lot of flak from inlaws for that). You see, I didn't think I was anyone special, I wanted and believe that everyone should throw pies at all kinds of phony authority figures. In that regard, I started a movement. Even a few months ago someone pied Cretian, the prime minister of Canada. George Bush Senior, coutless mayors, university deans and various politicians at all levels have been pied around the world. That is all I wanted - for everybody to loosen up and get a little crazy, or, actually, get real, and we have. By the way, one of the Detroit Free Press reporters who misquoted me after the 'event' got a deal lined up to do a cover story for Rolling Stone magazine, about me. I was, as the song went, to be 'on the cover of the Rolling stone.' Fame, or more fame, and certainly fortune, in the form of a book deal, probably, a tour and all such trappings awaited me, and, to the dismay of many of my friends, and especially my parents, I turned it down. Becoming a cult figure myself was not the way. Such would have betrayed everything I was and said. I felt that I was making poetry, I was the poem, I was not a hollywood movie and I was not even the story. Years later, as I wheel a cab down dark deserted streets at 3 or 4 in the morning in blue jeans that are faded and empty of cash I still remind myself that I was correct. Actually, I had no choice, it wasn't me that threw the pie...it wasn't me that faced up dug up the concept of the cult. It was fate, it was the wind, it was the three stooges, it was infinity, it was the availability of cheap ingredients making such an incident inevitable...was the law or randomness, chaos...it was me, and it was all of us. So say hi to all the ex or present premies for me, tell them that I said God loves those that make him (her) laugh, wants us to laugh. I'd love for the Guru to write or call me. He can come and watch me play hockey with the boys in downriver Detroit, and have a few beers with us. Tell him I'm not afraid, that I know it was his corporate people who ordered I be killed, (this I was told by Jupteswar Mishra, one of those who crushed my skull with a crow-bar). Tell the Guru to read the Conan the Barbarian novels where priests and magicians are routinely axed by wildmen from the north country. cont. next post

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 00:39:02 (GMT) From: suchabanana Email: None To: Way Subject: St. Patrick's Day: It was Soupy Sales! Message:

Attention to this section, especially the last part of the second paragraph! 'I had no choice, it wasn't me that threw the pie...it wasn't me that faced up dug up the concept of the cult. It was fate, it was the wind, it was the three stooges, it was infinity, it was the availability of cheap ingredients making such an incident inevitable...was the law or randomness, chaos...it was me, and it was all of us. So say hi to all the ex or present premies for me, tell them that I said God loves those that make him (her) laugh, wants us to laugh. I'd love for the Guru to write or call me. He can come and watch me play hockey with the boys in downriver Detroit, and have a few beers with us. Tell him I'm not afraid, that I know it was his corporate people who ordered I be killed, (this I was told by Jupteswar Mishra, one of those who crushed my skull with a crow-bar).' 'Tell him I'm not afraid, that I know it was his corporate people who ordered I be killed, (this I was told by Jupteswar Mishra, one of those who crushed my skull with a crow-bar).' 'Tell him I'm not afraid, that I know it was his corporate people who ordered I be killed, (this I was told by Jupteswar Mishra, one of those who crushed my skull with a crow-bar).' Peace,

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Date: Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 17:57:09 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: Way Subject: Response from Patrick Halley - part 3 Message:

By the way, you can share this letter with anyone you like, on line or otherwise, and please send me copy of Penthouse article if you can. Meanwhile, anyone may also write to me, I enjoy such. I do publish articles and write a lot, and like the fact that it is a tradition. I enjoy many traditions. In the meantime, Keep love and freedom in your mind. Patrick Halley 17325 Warrington Detroit, Michigan 48221-2766 (313-345-6510) * The Penthouse article was posted in a thread that is evidently not yet archived. When it is available, I will copy it and send it to Pat. Or, if someone could repost it to this thread, then I will send it to Pat.

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 05:48:10 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: Way Subject: Way Message:

Thanks for the saibobo link. turns out 'swami tells us not to look at the internet but the 'inner net'.' and then the org set up sites that support bobo's teaching. Sounds like our own lord.

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 05:30:51 (GMT) From: la-ex Email: None To: Way Subject: I think the big question is.... Message:

if Pat Halley said that he was told by fakiranand or someone that maharaji didn't order the hit, but that the 'corporate' boys ordered it, who were they? this seems to jive with a story that a community coordinator once told a small group of us years ago. he was bragging, sort of a spiritual machismo type thing, but he told us that when some of the really heavy splitting up with the holy family was going on, that a group of honchos in Denver were told to sit in a room in the kittridege building and to not leave the room, until they were told that they were allowed to... they were told that if a certain phone call from india came through, that someone might have to be killed that night(from the balbhagwan ji camp), and that one of the guys in that room would be asked/chosen to do it....this guy was really into telling this story, almost wishing that the call did come through and that he was the one chosen.... anyway, the call never came....no one was chosen for their special service....this is sick stuff, but what was sicker was the way that the coordinator was relishing the idea of possibly doing something like that...

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Date: Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 20:48:13 (GMT) From: Bin Liner Email: None To: la-ex Subject: We need ex-WPC to answer questions....... Message:

......like this one. I don't know anything about this particular story , but I do recall some others from the 70's equally wierd/criminal/disturbing. I knew some of the people involved , obviously. At the time my attitude was something like 'guerrilla warfare in the service of the lord , WOW , go go ' . As was theirs. They were all WPC. It might be naive of me to hope that one or two would come forward with a 1st hand account......but here's hoping anyway. Raja ji knows where lots of bodies (metaphorical) are buried. Now any hopes from that direction would be naive.

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 05:58:25 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: la-ex Subject: More of the story Message:

We have in the archives a report from someone that told us what happened when rawat got back from the pie incident. rawat was super angry and talked to fakiranand in hindi. no one understood hindi but them and really, even if rawat didnt say smash the guy, he vented his rage to fakiranand and fakiranand felt compelled to revenge. It was our lord who caused this by his reaction to fakiranand.

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 06:05:47 (GMT) From: Susan Email: None To: bill Subject: Jim had a really logical theory about this Message:

that I felt made a lot of sense. Hey Jim, you lurking?....the sirens are calling you out of your exile. Nah, I will see if I can find it in the archives, it was excellent. Basically, Jim thinks M did tell Fakiranand to do it, I cannot recall the logic but what he said really made sense.

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 06:13:46 (GMT) From: Susan Email: None To: Susan Subject: Found it! Thanks to Rog! Message:

Here is more on Fakiranand from House of Drek with Jim's very credible theory. Jim's theory

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 20:39:23 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Susan Subject: the maha said to fakiranand: Message:

''I don't want you to hurt this man'' The obvious implication is that fakiranand took the all-too-willing premie along with him to do the dirty work. And very dirty it was too. (or has the Maha another spin on the phrase 'attempted murder'? - which it evidently was - so the plate in Pat Halley's skull would have us think).

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 17:53:46 (GMT) From: suchabanana Email: None To: Susan Subject: 1)Donner's story rings true;2)DLM cash settlement? Message:

Michael Donner's story is consistent with what I saw and what Fakiranand told me: After a bunch of phone calls to/from DLM officials (and probably direction from m), Fakiranand left the Detroit ashram in civilian disguise by car for Chicago, where he left the country and never returned for any trial. I heard there was about a $100,000 settlement shortly afterwards. What did DLM do afterwards for Halley, and to cool the matter down? Anyone know the details? Maybe Way could ask Pat! Maybe Pat has a good copy of the photo that appeared in the newspapers of the pieing, too. (I think the photo was in Time magazine, too - August, 1973) Later, when I was at Millenium (Rainbow Inn), DLM honchos portrayed Fakiranand as the reincarnation of Hanuman, as if he were a mindless reincarnated primate or squirrel who would do anything imaginable or violent against a detractor of m. They told me he once broke a chair over a guy's head in India, after someone said something critical of m. At the time, I accepted their explanation because I had seen mahatma ji get furious when I dropped a little magazine picture of m. on the floor at the LA Wilton Place ashram. I was told he was sent back to India - as a mahatma still. But the whole Halley pie and revenge attack matter dropped right off the radar screen a little too easily, I thought (even then)... Peace, PS If anyone still lives in Detroit, the main library should have on microfilm the front page of the Detroit Free Press of August 8, 1973 - which can be printed out, then scanned and posted on this site.

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 15:21:22 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: Susan Subject: charanand/brick correction Message:

I heard the charanad/brick story from chararanand himself a few times. He and rawat and others were walking through a crowd that was throwing 'stones' and one of them hit charanand. Never did he say he saw a 'brick' coming and ran to 'catch it' with his back. Typical of humans to continually upgrade stories till they show the lord and devotees in greater glory and heroic acts.

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 06:29:17 (GMT) From: Susan Email: None To: Susan Subject: more from me Message:

I think this theory may be the joint creation of Drek, Joey and Jim, but I think it makes sense. Here is a synopsis: It is reported that the adolescent Lord came back from the pie in the face utterly furious. Fakiranand was there. He probably, English being his second language, yelled at Fakiranand in HINDI not English. After he got done telling Fakiranand in Hindi what his agya was, he then said calmy in English, 'don't hurt this man'..... Interesting that Fakiranand even told Halley that the idea to murder him wasn't Rawat's. Doesn't that seem a tad odd? Like 'doth protest too much'? Wonder what Rawat said to Fakiranand in Hindi. Actually, I do not wonder too much.

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Date: Thurs, Dec 07, 2000 at 14:20:16 (GMT) From: X Email: None To: Susan Subject: more from me Message:

>Wonder what Rawat said to Fakiranand in Hindi. That was a crappy tasting pie! Of course interpretations can morph after 27 years. Now why is it that Halley was hit in the head yet he seems to have a cool attitude? The intent is to make him the poster guy for hate M, yet he closes his thoughtful message with 'Keep love and freedom in your mind'

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Date: Thurs, Dec 07, 2000 at 17:40:24 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: X Subject: here's a theory... Message:

Now why is it that Halley was hit in the head yet he seems to have a cool attitude? Well, he had a very close encounter with the Perfect Master of our time. Imagine the grace to be so near our Lord in physical form. Of course when Mahatmaji took it upon himself to give Pat Knowledge, it was a manifestation of Maharaji's boundless love. How else could Pat possibly say 'Keep love and freedom in your mind.' Certainly it was his karma to dance this lila with the Lord in this lifetime and perhaps he was even Hanuman in a past life. Who knows? One thing is for sure: Pat Halley must have realized Knowledge when that crowbar struck his head. It's not for us to question the workings of the Lord. Or to even try and understand...

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Date: Thurs, Dec 07, 2000 at 18:09:33 (GMT) From: Susan Email: None To: gerry Subject: great post Gerry! Message:

That is most certainly the explanation. Olive branch?

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Date: Thurs, Dec 07, 2000 at 19:38:06 (GMT) From: gerry Email: None To: Susan Subject: great post Gerry! Message:

How nice of you. Gladly accepted.

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Date: Thurs, Dec 07, 2000 at 16:25:59 (GMT) From: Susan Email: None To: X Subject: more from me too Message:

Or he could have said, hmm, maybe I am finally old enough to shave and this is a hint? Somehow Jim's theory works better. I do not think rawat is giving to self depricating humor when faced with humiliation. I think Halley seems like a very non bitter person too. That is a survival positive trait considering what he has been through.

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 05:55:35 (GMT) From: Susan Email: None To: la-ex Subject: that is one scary story, Marianne read above Message:

you told me that story once before, I always hoped you would post it. I have always believed that our cult was not as far from the Scientologists and Jonestown as we thought, especially in the '70s. Thanks LA ex for posting that.

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 03:58:10 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: Way Subject: Penthouse mag Message:

Way I'm waiting for that back issue of Penthouse to arrive from an ebay auction I won. I think I'll send it on to Pat(minus the girlie pix;) ) I believe there was also an article done in the New York review, at least there was a quote from it on the Lord of the Universe video referring to Pat's injuries. Anyone any knowledge of this? Oh well, back to the library microfilms! BTW the whole pie-throwing incident is shown on that LOTU VIDEO, (available from amazon - click link) along with Pat himself talking about it. You know what, I'm going to buy another copy and send it to him, its the least we can do for the guy! How about having a whip-round too, he's broke by the sounds of it? bazza

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 20:47:27 (GMT) From: cq Email: quartus@postmaster.co.uk To: Bazza Subject: LOTU vid Message:

Hey, Barry About six months ago a guy called John Brauns sent me his copy of the LOTU vid. I offered to pay him, but no response as yet. Perhaps I could send JB's copy to Pat? (on 2nd thoughts it was PAL, not NTSC). If I sent it to you, could you re-format it? (without copyright infringement, me being a member of the PRS, that is). PS, a recent post had me asking you if the Maha's satellite broadcasts could be recorded, so as to provide a 'before-and-after' comparison of what ended up on the EV newsletter. As an ex-BBC (sound)-man myself, perhaps we can talk turkey here (and I don't mean thanksgiving!) email me above. Chris

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 03:45:43 (GMT) From: Katie Email: None To: Way Subject: Hey, Way, thanks so much for doing this! Message:

I'm glad Pat is still around - and I enjoyed the letter very much (he and Brian have some experiences in common - too bad Pat's not on-line :)! Thanks again - Katie

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Date: Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 18:43:28 (GMT) From: Happy Email: None To: Way Subject: interesting story Message:

Thank you, Way, for providing Pat's letter. I guess it is now certified he was not hit with a hammer, but with a beragon (a yoga-danda, or a nada-danda, as they're called in India), since he writes: 'that I know it was his corporate people who ordered I be killed, (this I was told by Jupteswar Mishra, one of those who crushed my skull with a crow-bar).' It is also clear that Pat knows it was an attempt to kill him. Attempted murder. Nothing less. It wil be very interesting to hear his response to the Penthouse-article. Way, can you ask him a few more details, like, how badly was he hurt? How long did he have to stay in the hospital? Is he ok now? Was he ever threatened again? Is the name Fakiranand familiar to him? Does he know anything about the fact that Rawat ordered Fakiranand out of the country in order to save his ass?

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 00:42:17 (GMT) From: suchabanana Email: None To: Happy Subject: wasn't there a cash settlement? nt Message:

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Date: Mon, Dec 04, 2000 at 18:17:55 (GMT) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Way Subject: Here's the article Message:

It's on a permanent page: I See the Light I'm going to add Pat's comments asap. JM

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Date: Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 22:35:12 (GMT) From: suchabanana Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Halley's Comet: YES, Please add his letter! Message:

J-M, Halley turned out to be a righteous loving dude, after all. Probably more spiritually evolved than m., too, huh?! What irony! Peace, PS During the holidays I may open my old trunks and boxes and dig up any old relics worth scanning, and also do the planes intro. [My work has taken up too much of my energy and concentration lately.]

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Date: Tues, Dec 05, 2000 at 03:03:32 (GMT) From: Disculta Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Shit!!!! Message:

I knew Rick Fletcher well! I completely forgot that he once mentioned to me that he was involved in this! How did I forget that?

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Date: Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 17:57:00 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: Everyone Subject: These responses Message:

I have printed off some of these posts (the ones with questions) and I will send them snail-mail to Pat, since he has an aversion to chat lines.

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