Date: Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 20:06:48 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: Everyone Subject: 2nd letter from Patrick Halley Message:

How about a little comic relief? After reading Michael Dettmer's latest revelations, I could use some. So here is Patrick Halley's latest, amusing letter. (Actually, part of the letter can be disturbing, as well as funny). (Patrick first wrote us a couple weeks ago about the incident where he threw a pie in Guru Maharaj Ji's face, in 1974. He requested the Penthouse article about him and the Guru. He was sent the article and now sends his second letter). * Dec. 12, 2000 It was a treat reading tbe Penthouse interview after so many years, there is much that I have forgotten. Also, the web responses...I must admit a little concern when an ex-premie still refers to Mr. Rawat as 'Our Lord.' Anyway, I'll try to answer a few of the questions brought up. The lawsuit settlement was not $100,000, it was a tenth of that; were I more vain, such a sum would probably barely cover the plastic surgery necessary to restore my face. Before Fakiranand and Fletcher attacked me, the weight of public opinion was against me. I was terribly misquoted by the two Detroit newspapers, and made to look foolish. For instance, the statement I prepared said 'This should not be seen merely as a protest against this Guru, whom I consider a fraud, but,also, as a protest against 2,500 years of illegitimate religious authority.' The Detroit Free Press QUOTED me as saying, 'I hate authority. God is an authority, therefore, I hate God!' The Detroit News didn't even come remotely close to what I said, but it, at least, didn't make me sound like a blazing idiot. Hey, my own father thought what I did was a cheap shot and that I was a coward, of sorts, for picking a religious figure a 'sissy' to attack with a pie. I was attacked by editorials in both newspapers and the Free Press used the misquote in their editorial, and called me a racist and religious bigot. There was no word for 'cults' back then, and everything was confusing to the public, which is exactly why I stepped in, having read Krishnamurti, Paul Reps, Alan Watts, the Bhagavad Gita, Koran, Bible, etc. It was only because I was attacked and almost killed that public opinion (including my Dad) turned my way. If they would have left me alone I would have considered my act a failure, a silly public relations stunt and nothing more, like everyone else. I received a ltter two years later from Fakiranand, a copy was also sent to the Detroit Police. He said that he was ordered to kill me by the President of the organization (not Maharaj Ji) and he denounced the Guru and the entire organization, claiming that they used the threat of deportation to force him into it. I don't hink it is possible to really know. At this time there was a big split in the organization, the guru married his secretary (to avoid deportation) and the family in India turned against him, denouncing him there. In Denver, the Guru had his family in India-his mother and brothers-'deholified.' Because of this obvious rift it is difficult to believe either side's version nor is it important - they are all a bunch of blood sucking money grubbing hustlers and pimps, always were. Get this straight all you who waver - heaven is not for sale! It is not even for rent. Reincarnation, which the Buddha opposed as a concept, was always used (as the Christians used heaven and hell) by Brahma class to justify their ill-got positions of power, and the priests use it as a club to beat their followers into fear and submission. I was told, by local Premies back then, that the word was I was going to be a single-celled organism in my next life. My response? 'Beats the hell out of a radioactive isotope.' I wish I could get a video or disc of that interview you mentioned, I never saw it or even knew it existed. I would gladly send a check or cash to cover any expense of a person that sent it to me. My son would get a kick out of it, as would my friends on the hockey team I play on. An artist friend of mine once said that the pie throwing was the invention of, the first instance of, performace art. Since then, George Bush, when head of the CIA, got pied, as did Prime Minister of Canada, and, two weeks ago, the U.S. representative to the World Conference on Global Warming. Having invented, or transformed at least, a new form of political expression is, to me, more important than embarrassing Guru Maharaj Ji. I was on a political newspaper at the time, and the Guru was only an opportunity, not a particular cause of mine. It could have been a lot of people, but it happened to be him. Maybe in my unconscous, fate had planted a seed-maybe the Guru's karma caught up with him, maybe some other God, having mercy on premies set me up...I don't know, and don't lose any sleep over it. Stay free, remember, as Alan Ginsberg wrote: 'weep even for the cracks in the pavement you step on while going to pray, for, yes, they are holy.' Patrick Halley

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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 21:32:50 (GMT) From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Way Subject: Why is this not considered? Message:

Surely the only correct thing to do here would be to put Fakiranand and Fletcher on trial for attempted murder. Doing anything else is an irrelevance. I believe there's no statute of limitations on attempted murder and for Christ's sake, there seems to be enough evidence to start an investigation. If this happened in Britain, there would be no obsticle in such a clear cut case. To me, running around the periphery of this case is ridiculous. This is a clear case of two people who tried to murder Pat Halley and who probably thought they had done. For God's sake, wake up people - we're talking about an obvious crime here!

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Date: Thurs, Dec 21, 2000 at 00:31:20 (GMT) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Sir Dave: Why is this not considered? Message:

There is so much evidence it's pathetic that the police and the FBI are not investigating this. Clearly a horrendous crime has taken place against this man, Patrick Halley. Why? Because he threw a Berma Shave pie in M's face. So F**KinG what? And I don't believe for one moment that Bob Mishler would have made such an order. I believe it took place as described: Maharaji spoke in Hindi to Fakir and then said in English for the benfit of the premies, don't hurt that man or whatever his exact words were. This is attempted murder. What is wrong with the Detroit police? Has anyone contacted them? What's going on here? Based on the last Mafia movie I saw, (and I watch a lot), the biggest wise guy who orders a hit, is the key perpetrator of the crime. A DA I am not, but this disturbs me very much. I devoted a huge part of my life to a thug? I want to know! Cynthia

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Date: Thurs, Dec 21, 2000 at 02:50:09 (GMT) From: Sir Dave Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com To: Cynthia Subject: Cynthia - this is what I'll do Message:

For now I'll put as much relevant info on my web site in a section devoted entirely to this crime. Thanks for your post above because now I've finally understood why Maharaji said 'Don't hurt him' in English. Last year I emailed the Detroit Police about this but I got no reply. I must admit that at the time I thought Pat Halley had died. ANyway, this cannot go unforgotten and must be publicised as much as possible.

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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 14:39:25 (GMT) From: kap Email: qwerty@pdai.com To: Way Subject: why is no one interested in the fact 2 mahatmas Message:

why is no one interested in the fact 2 mahatmas came to my home to try and slit my throat.after being screamed at for several minites in a satsang in san francisco i swore at rawat and called him names .a few days later several mahatmas came to my home and tried to gain entrance to slit my throat .raweat is much more dangerous than any of you know .anyone who will abort his own love child will be capable of killing anyone .bye kap

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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 21:09:45 (GMT) From: Sir Dave Email: sirdavid12@hotmail.com To: kap Subject: I believe you Kap and also this Message:

I agree with you that Mr Rawat is potentially dangerous but not in a 'psychic' since, more in a Godfather way. I believe you when you say that two Mahatmas came to your door to do you in. What I don't believe is your previous story of Rawat attacking psychically. I believe that you had a panic attack and went into 'survival mode' which made you unable to move. This has happened to me once when my life was threatened. While Rawat is capable of being dangerous, so are some ex-premies and I believe he is aware of that and is now in retreat. Because if Mr Rawat or his cronies ever waged a physical war against ex-premies, it would unleash such an organised backlash of anger and violence against him that his life would be in serious danger. As it is now, he has played a very dangerous game and is lucky to have survived thus far. His increased security is evidence that he realises he's in retreat and just trying to cut his losses. Quite simply - if Rawat sticks his neck out too far now, he'll lose his head.

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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 06:21:17 (GMT) From: Bazza Email: None To: Way Subject: LOTU Message:

I mailed Patrick a copy of LOTU video last week, with love from all of us. He should have in time for Christmas hopefully. Watch out for the sequel ;-)

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Date: Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 09:56:44 (GMT) From: janet of venice Email: None To: Bazza Subject: invite pat to come and post here! he's family! Message:

i like the idea of this effort gathering steam and momentum. call pat over to join us here.

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Date: Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 15:48:41 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: janet of venice Subject: Re:invite pat to come and post here! he's family! Message:

jov, We've already invited Pat to post on the Forum. In his first letter to us, he indicated that he does not like chatlines and prefers to communicate the old fashion way. He said that his partner does have a computer, but that he himself does not generally use it.

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Date: Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 21:08:15 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Pat Halley and Way and... Subject: 'Fakiranand denounced the Guru and the ... Message:

'Fakiranand denounced the Guru and the entire organization' 'He said that he was ordered to kill me by the President of the organization (not Maharaj Ji) and he denounced the Guru and the entire organization, claiming that they used the threat of deportation to force him into it.' Thanks for putting your side of record straight there, Pat Halley. Of course, the other side of the record is a matter of some conjecture, there being the current word of the ex-'Guru', who now claims the past never happened, and the word of the ex-premie.org, that is always going to remind him that it did, and the word of the likes of Fakiranand. Ah, Fakiranand. He wrote you a letter? You still have it? Evidence is needed. Someone should show exactly how it was. You suffered terribly for your stand against the religious con-artist that M was and still is. Wouldn't you still like to right that wrong? I was a premie when that apalling attack was inflicted on you. It can only attest to the depth of delusion I was in, that I have to admit that, back then, I went along with premie-opinion that said you'd received the karma you deserved. I wonder how many current premies still think that way? Brainwashed? I certainly was, but had no idea that I COULD be. No excuse. If you still feel for the injustice of it all, I hope you can forgive us, who once, in the depth of our devotion, condoned the attack. Forgiving the instigators of that attack is another matter. Is is not time to see justice done? As for as now is concerned, I'd like to see the Maha cause no more damage to peoples' lives (certainly not in such a horrendous way as he and 'his people' did to you). To that end, I think the facts of the matter need exposing, regardless of how desperate the Maha is to re-write his history. Pat, this site isn't just a scrap-heap for the anger and angst that following the Maha inevitably leads to. It can be more. Some of us think the world would be a better place if his real story was told. You have a part to play in that. If you're willing. Care to make a photocopy of that letter so it can be scanned and published on the ex-premie.org website?

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Date: Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 20:17:51 (GMT) From: mary Email: None To: Way Subject: I often play LOTU in slow motion... Message:

at the point where Patrick turns to run after pieing the fool in the face. The look upon his face is true bliss. A grin from ear to ear and the light of a hundred suns in his eyes. Far more real than the bliss the premies believe they receive from his holy asshole's smelly feet. Does Patrick still have the letter from Fakirinand? and does he believe that it is really from him? Could this be a litigous exhibit? Marianne? Would Fakirinanad be willing to go on record with a statement as such?

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Date: Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 20:35:53 (GMT) From: Marianne Email: None To: Way Subject: Fakiranand's letter Message:

Does Pat Halley still have the letter from Fakiranand? I'd love to see a copy of it. Could you ask him about this, Way? Many thanks, Marianne

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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 18:20:12 (GMT) From: Way Email: None To: Marianne Subject: I will ask (nt) Message:

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Date: Mon, Dec 18, 2000 at 23:46:21 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Fakiranand's letter Message:

Is Fakir still alive? Would not he be implicating himself if he stood for witness? I don't understand why Patric did not do anything about it then? Who is he refering to being the president of the organisation? Bob Mishler or someone from India?

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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 15:04:59 (GMT) From: Buzz Email: None To: Salam Subject: Fakiranand's letter Message:

Hey salam, Fakiranand is still alive and serving Satpal,I saw a picture of him just recently in the monthly mag they publish in India,he was giving satsang in some country South Africa maybe.

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Date: Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 13:45:26 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: Buzz Subject: Something fishy here Message:

How can he denounce the guru and still work for him, unless fatrat does not know that Fakir has sent a letter to Patrick, something is not right.

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Date: Wed, Dec 20, 2000 at 17:13:10 (GMT) From: Buzz Email: None To: Salam Subject: Something fishy here Message:

Hi Salam, Not for prempal but for satpal,too many pals spoil the broth and don't forget pal prolongs active life that is if they sell that brand of dog food in Aussie

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Date: Thurs, Dec 21, 2000 at 03:04:51 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: Buzz Subject: Fuck all PALs Message:

Got you. No wonder I got lost there. So Mr Fakir, got pissed off with little pal and he went working for the big pal. Interesting, seems to be emplyment in this field.

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Date: Thurs, Dec 21, 2000 at 03:07:48 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: Salam Subject: Who is bbj then Message:

Is he Satpal? I know stupid question. But I still want an answer.

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Date: Thurs, Dec 21, 2000 at 06:33:13 (GMT) From: Buzz Email: None To: Salam Subject: Who is bbj then Message:

Hi Salam. Yes Bbj is satpal although it was hard to recognize him at first,must have been heavy on the chapatis. Love Buzz

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Date: Thurs, Dec 21, 2000 at 12:56:26 (GMT) From: Salam Email: None To: Buzz Subject: Shit. I thought you were bazza. Message:

This is too much for me. I won't know who am I in a second. I was going to put a post up for you, but seeing that I have found out that am already talking to you, this is what I was going to say: Since you seem to be the bajis' favorite infiltrator and have contact in the far east, can you find out what actually happened with Mr Fakirchapati. Maybe some e-mail under the table that no one will notice(know what I mean, bit of shiffty business, like Sai baba). What do they know on the opposing camp about the incident, who was it that was going to give the word to go and sniff Pats' life. Am a bit mixed up here as you notice, but can you find out what m said in that ashram in Indian. Well I leave it to your alpha-2 team to figure out the details. Fuck you Rawat, I mean Salam

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Date: Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 06:06:39 (GMT) From: Buzz Email: None To: Salam Subject: Shit. I thought you were bazza. Message:

Definately the baiji new about it which must mean it's common knowledge,I'm gonna have to check this but i remember something about Fak being all sorry about it and sort of running to Bbj for forgiveness,but I'll try and get in touch with a guy who went to the ashram in delhi immediately after the family split and spent time with Bbj and other mahatmas .I do know that Ashokanand was really bruised by Rawat and had a bit to say to my friend about the lard.

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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 02:53:49 (GMT) From: such Email: None To: Salam Subject: no way Bob would have done that, without agya (nt) Message:

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Date: Tues, Dec 19, 2000 at 04:43:16 (GMT) From: IHQ Enquirer Email: None To: all Subject: Word at IHQ put Merino Amico at the scene (nt) Message:

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