swami j. suchabanana copyright 2001 -:- Top 10 Reasons Why Ossama Turned Out da Way He Did -:- Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 02:12:43 (EDT)

__ JohnT -:- none of the above -:- Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 08:46:56 (EDT)

__ __ Scott T. -:- Re: none of the above -:- Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:01:11 (EDT)

__ __ __ JohnT -:- Sufi proverb -:- Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:15:41 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Scott T. -:- Huh?? -:- Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:23:48 (EDT)

__ No name -:- !0 reasons -:- Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 06:10:13 (EDT)

__ __ btdt -:- Re: 10 reasons -:- Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 14:58:44 (EDT)

__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- ***BEST OF FORUM*** -:- Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 22:35:24 (EDT)

__ __ such -:- No name,huh? 2 bad 4U [Practice of Name vgood] -:- Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 14:04:46 (EDT)

__ __ Silvia -:- Is all in reverse, you silly -:- Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 08:35:39 (EDT)

__ __ Reason # 10 -:- His face is VERY ugly-nt -:- Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 07:35:44 (EDT)

Date: Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 02:12:43 (EDT)
From: swami j. suchabanana copyright 2001
Email: dalilswami@Letterman.com
To: All
Subject: Top 10 Reasons Why Ossama Turned Out da Way He Did
Message:

Top 10 Reasons Why Ossama bin Laden Turned Out da Way He Did:

10 because, as a child, he only had toy soldiers and guns to play with

9 because he never learned how to shave or about personal hygiene

8 because chicks thought he was a skinny wimp

7 because HE wasn't born king of Saudi Arabia

6 after the Afghan war, he didn't have a backup career

5 because he never had violin lessons

4 because his parents never hugged him

3 because he's got three wives telling him that they 'have a headache.'

2 because Mister Rogers wasn't available on his satellite dish.

1 ***** because as the 32nd of 54 children, Dad couldn't remember his name.
[ bananabucks.com ]

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Date: Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 08:46:56 (EDT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: swami j. suchabanana copyright 2001
Subject: none of the above
Message:

What seems to have driven Mr bin Laden to excess is the Saudi's use of American forces to fight the Iraqi invaders of Kuwait.

Remember that Mr bin Laden had proved himself by driving the Soviets out of Afghanistan. He had returned to Saudi Arabia (using that term is a bit like talking about 'Bush America' -- arguably accurate, but all the same hugely insulting to ordinary people there) when the Iraqis moved into Kuwait. He put forward his plan to use mujahideen to retake Kuwait. It would have meant that the arabic speaking nations themselves sorted the problem; and it would have given a boost to the mujahideen generally.

However, the Saudi family were evidently rather fearful of this course of action, and instead chose to invite American troops into their country so that Kuwait could be attacked. In arab and Islamic culture Saudi Arabia is a holy land (though not as holy as Palestine) and to invite non-believers into the holy land was, frankly, extraordinary.

To someone like bin Laden this preference for (non-believer) was more than extraordinary. It was obscene and barely comprehensible. The ruling Saudi family had combined personal rejection with national and religious treachery.

And so it was that Ussama bin Laden returned to Afghanistan to take up the battle against the foreign usurpers.

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Date: Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:01:11 (EDT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Re: none of the above
Message:

Or so he says. The fact is that he's a cult leader seeking to extend his flock, and perhaps promoting the larger idea of a Moslem Empire, so the Saudis were right to have trepidation. And if we were to pull out of Arabia do you suppose it would placate him any more than similar appeasement placated Hitler? You have 'cause' mixed up with 'excuse.'

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Date: Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:15:41 (EDT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Scott T.
Subject: Sufi proverb
Message:

who am I to dispute with a fool?

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Date: Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:23:48 (EDT)
From: Scott T.
Email: None
To: JohnT
Subject: Huh??
Message:

I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about with your cryptic one-liners. Are you a premie or something? How about a little logic, or is that beneath you? If you think acceding to Bin Laden's demand is, on any level, a wise policy you're just plain full of shit... and a fool.

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Date: Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 06:10:13 (EDT)
From: No name
Email: None
To: swami j. suchabanana copyright 2001
Subject: !0 reasons
Message:

And 10 Top reasons why you once admired The love, and replaced it with Hate?

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Date: Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 14:58:44 (EDT)
From: btdt
Email: None
To: No name
Subject: Re: !0 reasons
Message:

Okay, I'll bite, but you assume that we have all replaced love with hate. Assumptions are rarely accurate, and I do not hate M or k. I'm heartbroken and disappointed, does that count? And before you assume it's been years since I was around M, k or pwk's and/or instructors, think again. I attended an event Sunday. I did not feel hate for anyone in that room, including the vcr. I felt empathy, sympathy, amazement and COMPASSION, for those that might come in contact with the facts about M and his world, because if they honestly look with an unbiased, open, functioning brain, their world is going to come crashing down, breaking their heart in the process.

10-Being referred to as a 'loser' because I'm not a big cash donor, just a piddly 25 year plus donor.

9-Being hounded to join the ashram or being figuratively spit upon by the premie powers and M.

8-Being whipped into propagating knowledge, because it is my duty and service, or I am not a good premie. However, in not one intro video does it state that whoever takes this knowledge is obligated to perpetuate a pyramid scheme for the rest of their life, or they will not have the full experience of this experience.

7-Learning the Lord Of the Universe needs cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, and sex via infidelity, to enjoy his life.

6-M presents one face in public and one face in private, yet prachar is supposedly the highest state for a devotee. Tell me again the definition of prachar? Propagation by example?

5-Yelling and screaming and demeaning premies into fearful submission while professing peace and love and telling the story how he admonished a father in a video shop for yelling at his child.

4-Eating meat and not cluing the rest of his world in on the fact other than to announce at Long Beach that some people want him to tell premies not to eat meat, which he did once upon a time, that he wouldn't because he came to the cosmic conclusion that knowledge isn't in the stomach.

3- Presenting himself to be the only one capable of sustaining marriage, making those that got married feel like crap about it, then mock marriage because he decided sex with devotees would somehow enlighten him.

2-Telling us it is our fault for calling him THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE instead of just saying we 'loved him to death' when he said he was lord of the universe, let/made us sing he was lord of the universe and if you think that only happens in Amaroo, well, it happened at Universal Studies program just a month ago.

1. The number one reason you might think people here replace love with hate? He stole hearts, broke them, enslaved them and evidently only wants them for his own needs which have nothing to do with knowledge.

If you see only hate here, then it is from your eyes that you see.

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Date: Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 22:35:24 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: btdt
Subject: ***BEST OF FORUM***
Message:

Thanks btdt. I really enjoy watching you articulate your reasons for leaving the cult. You're good. And you seem to be so emotionally stable. I'm afraid I was extremely angry with the Sadguru for a few months and really must confess that I did hate him at one point. That's just settled down into an absolute distaste for him and a desire to see him apologize and give back the money that us poor ''piddling'' donors gave over the course of 30 years.

Too funny how Erica says that the finances were blurred in the beginning and that they are now separate and no money to EV goes to M but also admits she does not know how he got wealthy. Well, remember the house that we all bought for him in Malibu. Well, he sold it back to the people who gave it to him for 8.5 million dollars. He also received a lot of inheritances and trust funds from people who now regret it. Oh, and I forgot about your jewelry.

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Date: Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 14:04:46 (EDT)
From: such
Email: None
To: No name
Subject: No name,huh? 2 bad 4U [Practice of Name vgood]
Message:

so-hung so hungg soooo hunggg...

am feeling 'The love' for my Creator - That Love, That Feeling

hate? actually, an intolerance of injustice, feudalism, superstition, ignorance, child/sex abuse, corruption, malfeasance, diversion of funds, cheat and deceit, mental or physical enslavement...

an affirmation of justice, equality, democracy, freedom, wisdom, truth, appropriate official conduct and use of funds, honest communications, fellowship, charity, conscious evolution, using one's heart + head, free and open sharing of any spiritual knowledge/information without strings attached or manipulations.

you missed da boat. bye bye

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Date: Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 08:35:39 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: No name
Subject: Is all in reverse, you silly
Message:

It looked and was called 'Love', but it was HATE, and what you call HATE is really LOVE.

LOVE for TRUTH, JUSTICE, SINCERITY, REAL FREEDOM.

MAHARAJI SUCKS!

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Date: Tues, Sep 18, 2001 at 07:35:44 (EDT)
From: Reason # 10
Email: None
To: No name
Subject: His face is VERY ugly-nt
Message:

[nt]

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